Aptavani Shreni 13 Purvarddh

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/030023/1

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AptavANI zreNI-13 (pUrvArdha)

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dAdA bhagavAna kathita AptavANI zreNI-13 (pUrvArdha) mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna hiMdI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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trimaMtra patamAnArtha2.. zrImasyAmA namo arihaMtANaM namo siddhANaM namo AyariyANaM namo uvajjhAyANaM namo loe savvasAhUNaM eso paMca namukkAro, savva pAvappaNAsaNo maMgalANaM ca savvesiM, paDhamaM havai maMgalam 1 OM namo bhagavate vAsudevAya 2 OM namaH zivAya 3 jaya saccidAnaMda kAdA bhagavAnanA asIma jaya jayakAro

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samarpaNa anaMta kAla se DhU~Dha rahA thA 'maiM' AtmA kA prakAza; 'maiM' kI khoja na phalI, rahA isalie udAsa! mUla dRSTi khulI, jagamaga dekhA 'sva' svarUpa; 'dravya karma' ke cazme bheda ke, gayA 'bhAvakarma' kA mUla! 'nokarma' meM pahacAnA prakRti ko, pAyA prakRti kA pAra; puruSArtha meM pAI prajJA, dUra huA aMdhakAra! 'eka pudgala' dekhA khuda kA, dikhI dazA 'vIra'! 'jJAyaka' svabhAva ramaNatA, 'sahaja' AtmA va zarIra! 'prakRti' nihAra cuke taba huA aMta meM paramAtmA ! 'jJAtA' kA jJAtA jo sadA, vaha kevala jJAnasvarUpAtmA! aho aho dAdA ne diyA, g2az2aba kA akrama vijJAna ! na kisI zAstra yA jJAnI ne, kholA aisA vijJAna ! yugoM-yugoM taka mahakeMge, dAdA adhyAtma kSetra meM! na bhUto na bhaviSyati, nahIM dikhegA koI isa netra se! kyA kahU~ jo diyA tUne mujhe, zabda bhI zaramA jAe~! mere aho aho bhAva par3ha, he aMtarayAmI are! Apa jisameM lage rahe, aMtima zvAsa taka isa jIvana! usI ke lie AptavANI teraha, jaga caraNoM meM samarpaNa!

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba chaH baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana haa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnIpuruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| Apa meM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" ___'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisI ke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the|

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" dAdAzrI I I parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the / ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thI / pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, z2immedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiM / graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai I 6

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nivedana AtmavijJAnI zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, jinheM loga 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke nAma se bhI jAnate haiM, unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake , saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| jJAnIpuruSa saMpUjya dAdA bhagavAna ke zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahArajJAna saMbaMdhI vibhinna viSayoM para nikalI sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa AptavANI meM huA hai, jo naye pAThakoM ke lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda meM yaha vizeSa dhyAna rakhA gayA hai ki vAcaka ko dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai, aisA anubhava ho / unakI hiMdI ke bAre meM unake hI zabda meM kaheM to "hamArI hiMdI yAnI gujarAtI, hiMdI aura aMgrejI kA mikscara hai, lekina jaba 'TI' (cAya) banegI, taba acchI bnegii|" jJAnI kI vANI ko hiMdI bhASA meM yathArtha rUpa se anuvAdita karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai kintu dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, vaha isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai| prastuta pustaka meM kaI jagahoM para koSThaka meM darzAye gae zabda yA vAkya parama pUjya dAdAzrI dvArA bole gae vAkyoM ko adhika spaSTatApUrvaka samajhAne ke lie likhe gae haiN| jabaki kucha jagahoM para aMgrejI zabdoM ke hiMdI artha ke rUpa meM rakhe gae haiN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM rakhe gae haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hiMdI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlAMki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda artha ke rUpa meM diye gae haiN| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN| isa AptavANI meM braikiTa meM zabdoM ke jo artha die gae haiM, ve hamArI Aja kI samajha ke anusAra haiN|

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saMpAdakIya AtmArthiyoM ne AtmA se saMbaMdhita aneka bAteM aneka bAra sunI hoMgI, par3hI bhI hoMgI lekina usakI anubhUti, vaha to eka guhyattama cIz2a hai! AtmAnubhUti ke sAtha-sAtha pUrNAhuti kI prApti ke lie aneka cIz2oM ko jAnanA jarUrI hai, jaise ki prakRti kA sAinsa, pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ko dekhanA-jAnanA, karmoM kA vijJAna, prajJA kA kArya, rAga-dveSa, kaSAya, AtmA kI nirAlaMba dazA, kevalajJAna kI dazA aura AtmA va isa sthUla zarIra, sUkSma zarIra aura kAraNa zarIra ke tamAma rahasyoM kA khulAsA, jo mUla dazA taka pahu~cane ke lie mAila sTona ke rUpa meM kAma Ate haiN| jaba taka ye saMpUrNa rUpa se, sarvAMga rUpa se dRSTi meM, anubhava meM nahIM A jAte, taba taka AtmavijJAna kI pUrNAhuti kI prApti nahIM ho sktii| aura ina tamAma rahasyoM kA khulAsA saMpUrNa anubhavI Atma vijJAnI ke alAvA aura kauna kara sakatA hai? pUrvakAla ke jJAnI jo kaha gae haiM, vaha zabdoM meM rahA hai, zAstroM meM rahA hai aura unhoMne unake dezakAla ke adhIna kahA thA, jo Aja ke dezakAla ke adhIna kAphI kucha samajha meM aura anubhava meM phiTa nahIM ho paataa| isalie kudarata ke adbhuta naz2arAne ke rUpa meM isa kAla meM Atma vijJAnI akrama jJAnI parama pUjya dAdAzrI meM pUrNarUpa se prakaTa hue 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko sparza karake pUrNa anubhava siddha vANI kA phAyadA hama sabhI ko milA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne kabhI bhI hAtha meM kalama nahIM uThAI thii| mAtra unake mukhAraviMda se, unake anusAra TaiparikaoNrDara meM se mAlikI rahita syAdavAda vANI nimitta milate hI dezanA ke rUpa meM nikalane lagatI! use oNDiyo kesaiTa meM rikaoNrDa karake, saMkalana karake sujJa sAdhakoM taka pahu~cAne kA prayAsa huA hai| usameM se AptavANiyoM kA anamola graMtha saMgraha prakAzita huA hai| AptavANI ke bAraha graMtha prakAzita ho cuke haiM aura aba terahavA~ graMtha prakAzita ho rahA hai, jise pUrvAdha aura uttarArdha meM vibhAjita kiyA gayA hai|

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pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI sahaja rUpa se nimittAdhIna nikalatI thI / pratyakSa meM hara kisI ko yathArtha rUpa se samajha meM A jAtI hai lekina bAda meM use graMtha meM saMkalita karanA kaThina ho jAtA hai aura usase bhI adhika kaThina ho jAtA hai sujJa pAThakoM ko yathArtha rUpa se samajha meM AnA ! kitanI hI bAra arthAMtara ho jAne kI vajaha se dizA cUkI jA sakatI hai yA phira dizAmUr3ha ho sakate haiN| udAharaNa ke taura para zAstra meM par3hA ho ki 'jA, terI mammI ko bulA lA / ' aba yahA~ para kauna kisakI mammI ke lie kaha rahA hai, vaha repharansa (saMdarbha) pAThaka ko apane Apa samajhanA hai / usameM khuda kI patnI ko bulAne kA bhI ho sakatA hai yA dUsare kI patnI ko bhI ! yadi galataphahamI ho jAe to? yoM to Atma tatva yA vizva ke sanAtana tatva avarNanIya aura avaktavya haiN| jJAnIpuruSa dAdAzrI bahuta - bahuta UcAIMyoM se nIce utarakara, unheM zabdoM meM lAkara hameM samajhAte haiN| jo 'dRSTi' kI bAta hai, vaha 'dRSTi' se hI prApta ho sakatI hai, na ki zabdoM se / 'mUla dRSTi' se jisa Atma sammukhatA ko prApta karane kI bAta hai, vaha zabdoM meM kisa taraha samA sakatI hai? vaha to jina-jina mahA-mahA puNyAtmAoM ne parama pUjya dAdAzrI kA akrama jJAna prApta kiyA hai, prajJA jAgRta hone ke kAraNa unheM vaha par3hate hI samajha meM A jAtA hai| isake bAvajUda bhI kitanI hI guhya bAteM aisI haiM jo samakitI mahAtmAoM ko bhI samajha meM na Ae~ yA phira kahIM para virodhAbhAsa bhAsita hotA hai| vAstava meM jJAnI kA eka bhI zabda kabhI bhI virodhAbhAsI nahIM hotA / isalie una zabdoM kA anAdara mata karanA / use samajhane ke lie unake dvArA oNthorAijDa parsana se spaSTIkaraNa prApta kara lenA cAhie yA phira penDiMga rkhnaa| jaba khuda usa zreNI taka pahu~cegA, taba apane Apa samajha meM A jAegA! udAharaNa ke taura para relve sTezana yA relve pleTaphaoNrma do zabdoM kA alaga-alaga jagaha para upayoga kiyA hotA hai / jo nahIM jAnatA hai, use dvidhA ho jAtI hai aura jo jAnatA hai vaha samajha jAtA hai ki eka hI cIz2a hai! kaI bAra saMpUjya dAdAzrI pleTaphaoNrma kI bAta kara rahe hote haiM to zuruAta 9

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kA varNana alaga hotA hai, bIca kA alaga hotA hai aura TheTha dUsare sire kA alaga hotA hai isalie bhAsita virodhAbhAsa utpanna ho jAtA hai| vAstava meM eka hI cIz2a kA varNana hai, alaga-alaga sTejoM kA! yahA~ para dAdAzrI kI vANI jo ki alaga-alaga nimittAdhIna, alaga-alaga kSetra aura kAla meM hara eka kI alaga-alaga bhAvanA ke adhIna nikalI hai, usakA saMkalana huA hai| prakRti kI eka se sau taka kI sabhI bAteM nikalI haiM lekina nimitta badalane kI vajaha se pAThaka ko samajhane meM thor3I muzkila hotI hai| kabhI aisA lagatA hai ki prazna punaHpunaH pUche gae haiM lekina pUchanevAle alaga-alaga vyakti haiM, jabaki samajhAnevAle mAtra parama jJAnI dAdAzrI hI haiN| aura AptavANI par3hanevAlA pAThaka to pratyeka samaya eka hI vyakti hai, jise samagra bodha grahaNa karanA hai| aisI sUkSmatA se saMkalana kA prayAsa huA hai jaise parama pUjya dAdAzrI kA eka hI vyakti ke sAtha vArtAlApa ho rahA ho| hA~, praznottarI rUpI vANI meM hara eka cIz2a ke spaSTIkaraNa alaga-alaga taraha ke lagate haiM, lekina vaha adhika se adhika gaharAI ke sopAna taka le jAnevAle hote haiM ! jo gaharAI se sTaDI karanevAle ko samajha meM aaegaa| isa prakAra saba karane ke bAvajUda bhI mUla Azaya se Azaya kA pakar3a meM AnA, vaha to durlabha, durlabha, durlabha hI lagatA hai! parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI kI dhArA meM eka hI cIz2a ke lie alaga-alaga zabda nikale hote haiM, jaise ki prakRti, pudgala, ahaMkAra vagairaha vgairh| to kahIM kisI jagaha para alaga-alaga cIz2oM ke lie eka hI zabda kA upayoga huA hai| udAharaNa ke taura para 'maiM' kA upayoga ahaMkAra ke lie bhI huA hai to 'maiM' kA upayoga AtmA ke lie bhI huA hai (maiM, bAvo aura maMgaladAsa meN)| mahAtmAoM ko use yogya rUpa se samajhakara lenA hai| saiddhAMtika samajha ke vizeSa spaSTIkaraNa dene ke lie meTara meM kahIM-kahIM para z2arUrata ke mutAbika brekeTa meM saMpAdakIya noTa rakhA gayA hai, jo pAThaka ke lie samajhane meM sahAyaka hogaa| prastuta graMtha ke pUrvArdha meM dravyakarma ke ATho prakAroM ko vistArapUrvaka 10

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samajhAyA gayA hai| zAstroM meM to aneka gunA vistAra se likhA gayA hai, jo ki sAdhaka ko ulajhana meM DAla detA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne, jitanA AtmArthI ke mokSa mArga meM Avazyaka hai, utane ko hI vizeSa mahatva dekara khUba hI sarala bhASA meM samajhAkara kriyAkArI banA diyA hai| pUjya dAdAzrI ne kitanI hI jagaha para AtmA ko jJAtA-dRSTA kahA hai to kitanI hI jagaha para prajJA ko| yathArtharUpa se to jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM huA hai, taba taka AtmA ke riprejenTeTiva ke rUpa meM prajJA hI jJAtAdRSTA rahatI hai aura aMta meM kevalajJAna ho jAne ke bAda to AtmA svaMya pUre brahmAMDa ke pratyeka jJeya kA prakAzaka bana jAtA hai! kitanI hI bAteM, udAharaNa ke taura para prajJA kI bAta bAra-bAra AtI hai, taba vaha punarukti jaisA bhAsita hotA hai, lekina aisA nahIM hai| hara bAra adhika sUkSmatAvAlA vivaraNa hotA hai| jaise ki zarIra zAstra (enATaoNmi) chaThI kakSA meM AtA hai, dasavIM meM AtA hai, bArahavIM meM AtA hai yA phira meDikala meM bhI AtA hai| viSaya aura usakI besika bAteM sabhI meM hotI haiM lekina usakI sUkSmatA hara bAra alaga-alaga hotI hai| jaba mUla siddhAMta anubhava gocara ho jAtA hai taba vANI yA zabdoM kI bhinnatA usameM kahIM bhI bAdhaka nahIM rhtii| sarkala ke senTara meM Ae hue ko kisI ke sAtha koI matabheda nahIM par3atA aura use to sArA jaisA hai vaisA dikhAI detA hai, isalie vahA~ para judAI rahatI hI nhiiN| kaI bAra saMpUjya dAdAzrI kI ati-ati gahana bAteM par3hakara mahAtmA yA mumukSu jarA Dipresa ho jAte haiM ki ise to kabhI bhI prApta nahIM kiyA jA sakatA! lekina vaisA nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI to hamezA kahate the ki, 'maiM jo kucha bhI kaha rahA hU~ use Apako mAtra samajha lenA hai, use AcaraNa meM lAne kA prayatna karane ke pIche nahIM laganA hai| usake lie to vApasa nayA ahaMkAra khar3A karanA pdd'egaa| mAtra bAta ko samajhate hI raho, AcaraNa meM apane Apa aaegaa| lekina yadi nahIM samajhe ho to Age kisa taraha bar3ha pAoge? mAtra samajhate hI raho aura dAdA bhagavAna se zaktiyA~ mA~go aura nizcaya karo ki akrama vijJAna yathArtha rUpa se saMpUrNa sarvAMga rUpa se samajhanA hI hai! basa itanI 11

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jAgRti hI pUrNatA prApta krvaaegii| abhI to mahAtmAoM ko pA~ca AjJA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' usI avirata lakSa (jAgRti) meM rahane ke puruSArtha meM hI rahanA hai| anAdi kAla se sAdhaka eka hI cIz2a ko lekara pIche par3e haiM ki 'mujhe zuddhikaraNa karanA hai| azuddhi dUra karanI hai| citta ko zuddha karanA hai!' kise? mujhe, mujhe, mujhe! taba dAdAzrI kI anubhava vANI nikalatI hai, jo mailA karatA hai, vaha pudgala hai aura jo sApha karatA hai, vaha bhI pudgala hai!' tU to mAtra ina sabhI ko 'dekhanevAlA' hI hai! isa prakAra pratyeka bAta avirodhAbhAsa saiddhAMtika prApti karavAtI hai| mUla AtmA to kevalajJAna svarUpa hai, thA aura rhegaa| yaha pha~sAva to pUrA saMyogoM ke dabAva se, roMga bilIpha se khar3A huA hai aura eka roMga bilIpha khar3I ho gaI ki 'maiM nIrUbahana huuN|' usameM se anaMta-anaMta roMga bilipheM khar3I ho gaI haiM ! akrama vijJAna se use, dAdAzrI ne mAtra do hI ghaMToM meM mUla roMga bilIpha ur3A dI aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' kI niraMtara lakSa aura pratIti biThA dii| lekina usa roMga bilIpha meM se khar3I ho cukI anya roMga bilIphoM ko khatma karate-karate, vApasa lauTate-lauTate mUla daraasala kevalajJAnasvarUpa taka AnA hai aura aMta meM 'khuda' khuda hokara khar3A rahatA hai ! parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI dvArA jagaha-jagaha para isa roMga bilIpha ko khatma karane kI kalA kA patA calatA jAtA hai, jo eka avatArI pada ko prApta karane ke dRr3ha nizcaya ko ati-ati sarala aura sahaja mArga banA detI hai| isa prakAra AptavANI teraha meM parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne prakRti kI sAinsa batAkara hada hI kara dI hai aura sAtha-sAtha hI, maiM bAvA aura maMgaladAsa kA aMtima se aMtima vijJAna dekara tamAma vivaraNa de die haiN| jise samajhane se jJAnI kI dazA meM akhaMDa rUpa se rahA jA sake, aisA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne nIrUbahana aura dIpakabhAI desAI ko AptavANI 1 se 14 zreNiyA~ prakAzita karane kI AjJA dI thii| unhoMne kahA thA ki

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I 14 AptavANiyA~ arthAt AtmArthiyoM ke lie ve 1 se 14 guNasthAnakoM taka car3hane kI zreNiyA~ bana jaaeNgii| ataH mUla jJAna to 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura 'pA~ca AjJA' inameM sabhI kucha A jAtA hai lekina AptavANiyA~ isa mUla jJAna kA DiTela meM vivaraNa detI jAtI haiM / jaise ki dillI se kisI ne pUchA, 'nIrUbahana Apa kahA~ rahatI haiM?' to hama kaheMge ki sImaMdhara siTI, addaalj| lekina agara use nIrUbahana taka pahu~canA ho to use DiTela meM eDresa kI z2arUrata par3egI / aDAlaja kahA~ para hai? sImaMdhara siTI kahA~ hai? ahamadAbAda-kalola hAive para, sarakheja se gAMdhInagara jAte hue aDAlaja caurAheM ke pAsa, peTrola paMpa ke pIche, trimaMdira saMkula / isa taraha vivaraNa diyA jAegA tabhI vaha mUla jagaha para pahu~ca sakegA / usI prakAra 'AtmA' ke mUla svarUpa taka pahu~cane ke lie AptavANiyA~ dAdAzrI kI vANI ke mahAna zAstra rUpI graMtha ke rUpa meM pUrNa vivaraNa detI haiM aura mUla AtmA, kevalajJAna svarUpI AtmA taka pahu~cAtI haiM ! 13

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upodghAta - DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna [ 1.1] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai? prakRti kyA hai? ajJAna dazA meM 'maiM caMdU, maiM caMdU' karake AropaNa karake, pratiSThA kara-karake jo putalA khar3A kiyA hai, vaha hai! isa janma meM pratiSThA karake pratiSThita AtmA khar3A ho jAtA hai, jo agale janma meM phala detA hai| vaha prakRti- hai aura isameM kartA koI bhI nahIM hai| jar3a aura cetana, ina do tatvoM ke milane para vizeSa pariNAma khar3A ho gayA hai| usa vizeSa pariNAma meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ye vyatireka guNa khar3e ho gae haiN| krodha aura mAna meM se 'maiM' khar3A ho gayA aura mAyA aura lobha meM se 'merA' khar3A ho gayA hai| usI se pUrI prakRti khar3I ho gaI hai| yaha mAtra roMga bilIpha se hI huA hai aura roMga bilIpha mAtra saMyogoM ke dabAva se, jar3a tatvoM ke dabAva se khar3I ho gaI hai| jaise ki agara hama TyUba lAiTa ko konsTanTa dekhate raheM to do dikhane lagatI haiM yA phira z2arA sA A~kha para eka khAsa eMgala se U~galI kA dabAva A jAe to eka ke bajAya do lAiTeM dikhane lagatI haiM! isameM kisane kyA kiyA? iTa jasTa haipndd| mAtra roMga bilIpha baiTha gaI hai ki ye jo do lAiTeM dikha rahI haiM, vahI hakIkata hai ! mUlataH eka hI lAiTa hai, yaha bAta samajha meM nahIM AtI aura phira to zurU ho jAtI haiM....bhrAMti kI paraMparAe~... yaha sabakucha huA hai apane Apa hI, phira bhI vApasa dUsarI roMga bilIpha baiTha jAtI hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyaa| mere alAvA aura kisakA astitva hai ise karane meM?' yaha jo vizeSa pariNAma khar3A ho gayA hai, vahI yaha prakRti hai aura khuda AtmA-puruSa, svayaM bhagavAna hai! aba isa sAre jhaMjhaTa meM mUla puruSa ko kucha bhI nahIM hotA hai| lohA samudra kinAre par3A huA ho to jaMga laga jAtA hai na? isameM yaha kiyA kisane? samudra ne? lohe ne? samudra yadi jaMga lagA rahA hotA to vaha sone ko kyoM nahIM lagAtA? ye to haiM sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala 14

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eviddensej'| ina donoM ko alaga kara deM, tabhI jaMga laganA rukegaa| usI prakAra jaba do tatva alaga ho jAe~ge, tabhI prakRti nahIM bnegii| ajJAna se jo eka ho gayA hai, vaha jJAna se alaga ho jAtA hai! mAtra jar3a aura cetana ke sAmIpya bhAva se hI bhrAMti khar3I ho jAtI hai, jJAna badalatA hai, para ko sva mAnatA hai aura parakRti ko svakRti mAnatA hai| do tatvoM ke milane se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai| usameM donoM tatvoM ke svabhAvika guNa inaTekTa (akSuNa) rahate haiM lekina vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| jaise kitAba ko darpaNa ke sAmane rakhane se kitAba svabhAva nahIM badalatI, aura darpaNa bhI svabhAva nahIM badalatA hai, khuda ke mUla svabhAva meM hI rahatA hai lekina vizeSabhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai jisake kAraNa se kitAba ekz2ekTa darpaNa meM pratibiMbita hotI hai| jo vyatireka guNa utpanna hue haiM, unase jo bhAva utpanna hotA hai, usake AdhAra para paramANu cArja hote haiM aura usI anusAra DiscArja hote haiN| DiscArja ke samaya sUkSma meM se sthUla banate haiM aura rUpaka meM Ate haiN| puruSa, vaha paramAtmA hai aura deha prakRti hai| paramAtmA akartA hai aura prakRti meM jo paramANu haiM, ve sakriya haiN| pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) paramANuoM meM kriyAvartI zakti hai, jo ki svAbhAvika rUpa se kriyAe~ karatI rahatI hai| kriyA sirpha pudgala kI hai| viSaya kA eka hI bhAva huA ki usake AdhAra para aMdara paramANu cArja hokara khiMcakara AtmA para cipaTa jAte haiN| ve jaba DiscArja hote haiM, rUpaka meM Ate haiM taba strI, putra, are! pUrA saMsAra khar3A kara detA hai! 'khada' jaisA bhAva karatA hai, vizeSabhAva, to pudgala kA aisA guNa hai ki vaha vaisA hI bana jAtA hai! pUre samasaraNa mArga meM prakRti aura cetana donoM alaga hI rahe haiN| prakRti kA eka bhI guNa AtmA meM nahIM hai aura AtmA kA eka bhI guNa prakRti meM nahIM hai| donoM sarvathA bhinna hI haiM, rahe haiM aura rheNge| isameM mAtra dRSTi kI hI bhUla ho gaI hai, jise jJAnIpuruSa badala dete haiM aura rAiTa kara dete haiN| 15

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yaha saba vaijJAnika hai, dharma nahIM hai| vItarAga vijJAna hI sarva duHkhoM se mukti dilavAtA hai| prakRti pAvara cetana hai| jar3a meM cetana kA pAvara bharA huA hai isIlie jaba taka beTarI meM pAvara rahatA hai, taba taka vaha sArA kArya oNTomeTika hotA haiN| jaise hI pAvara khatma huA ki sabakucha baMda! khela khatma! barphavAle pyAle meM bAhara pAnI kahA~ se AyA? havA kI namI se pAnI banA aura vaha cipaka gayA pyAle pr| usI taraha apane aMdara bhI ho gayA hai| kisI ne kiyA nahIM hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se huA hai| aMdara pUrA vijJAna hI hai ! jisa taraha H, + O ke ikaTThe hone se vaijJAnika tarIke se apane Apa hI pAnI bana jAtA hai, usI taraha yaha prakRti bhI vaijJAnika tarIke se apane Apa hI bana gaI hai| isameM kahIM bhI kisI kA kartApana nahIM hai| kitane hI loga "bhagavAna ne 'lIlA' kI" bhagavAna ne mAyA racI, aisA taraha taraha kA kahate haiM lekina bhagavAna ne koI lIlA-vIlA nahIM kI hai, na hI mAyAchAyA ko janma diyA hai ! bhagavAna to bhagavAna hI haiM ! saMpUrNa akartA, akriya haiM aura hara eka jIvamAtra meM vidyamAna haiM! sahI vijJAna samajha meM A jAe to donoM alaga hI haiN| saMyogoM se prakRti khar3I ho gaI hai aura jJAnIpuruSa kA saMyoga mila jAe to ve donoM ko alaga kara dete haiN| usake bAda prakRti apane Apa hI bikhara jAtI hai ! AtmA ke alAvA sabhI kucha prakRti meM A jAtA hai| ajJAnatA se prakRti utpanna hotI hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, rAga-dveSa, ciMtA-Tenzana, IrSyA, merA-terA ye sabhI prakRti ke guNa haiN| pA~ca indriyoM ke guNa, ve sabhI prakRti ke guNa haiN| prakRti aura kudarata meM kyA pharka hai? pariNAmita ho cukI kudarata, vahI prakRti hai| jaba taka H2 aura O donoM alaga haiM, taba taka vaha kudarata kahalAtI hai aura eka hokara H2O yAnI ki pAnI meM pariNAmita ho jAe to vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai! apanA zarIra jina paMca dhAtuoM se banA hai vaha 16

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kudarata hai aura unake milane se jo zarIra banA, vaha prakRti hai ! prakRti meM karanevAle (ahaMkAra) kI z2arUrata hai| kudarata meM karanevAlA nahIM hotA / kudarata khuda hI kudaratI racanA hai / prakRti meM puruSa kA voTa ( sahamati) hai, kudarata meM nahIM hai / usameM mAtra sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hI haiN| 1 [ 1.2 ] prakRti, vaha pariNAma svarUpa se kahAvata hai ki prakRti aura prANa sAtha meM jAte haiN| kyA yaha sahI hai? AtmajJAna milane ke bAda yadi gAr3ha AvaraNavAlI prakRti ho to usameM koI pharka naz2ara nahIM aataa| bAkI sAdhAraNa AvaraNavAlI prakRti to khatma ho jAtI hai, isIlie isa akrama meM to kaI bAra aisA lagatA hai ki yaha kahAvata galata ho gaI ! khAnA-pInA, sonA, kAma karanA, mAna-apamAna, yaha saba prakRti karavAtI hai, AtmA nahIM / karma hI prakRti hai / prakRti prArabdha hai, iphekTa hai| jo prakRti kA yaha guhya sAinsa samajha le, vaha pAra utara jAe ! prakRti z2abarana nacAtI hai aura khuda mAnatA hai ki 'maiM nAcA!' yaha saba prakRti karavA rahI hai, aisA jo jAnatA hai, vaha prakRti se alaga hI hai ! vaha alaga rahakara pUrI prakRti kA nATaka hone detA hai| khuda use 'dekhatA' rahatA hai! prakRti paravaza hai, svavaza nahIM hai, phira vaha bhale hI koI bhI ho ! kevalajJAna ke bAda kaSAya saMpUrNa rUpa se naSTa ho jAte haiM lekina mokSa meM jAne taka prAkRta avasthAe~ rahatI haiN| svasattA aura parasattA ke lAina oNpha DirmAkezana samajha jAne ke bAda parasattA meM DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAz2I) na kare to ekAdha janma meM vaha chUTa jAtA hai| parasattA kI bAunDrI kyA hai ? dAdAzrI ne carotarI paTelavAlI bhASA meM spaSTa kaha diyA hai ki 'isa varlDa meM aisA koI bhI nahIM janmA hai ki jise saMDAsa jAne kI bhI svataMtra zakti ho !' aba agara itanI bhI zakti nahIM hai to aura kauna sI zakti ho sakatI hai? 17

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khuda paramAtmA hai lekina prakRti ne aisA to kaisA prezara DAlA ki paramAtmA pada AvRta ho gayA aura sAmanevAlA cora, guMDA, AtaMkavAdI dikhane lagA ! prakRti kA dabAva kyA aisA-vaisA hai ? nikalate samaya prakRti svataMtra hai lekina banate samaya nahIM hai| vyavahAra AtmA ne jo kucha bhAva kiyA, dUsare zabdoM meM jisa taraha kI dakhalaMdAz2I kI, vaisI hI prakRti sarjita ho gii| phira vaha khulatI bhI apane svabhAva se hI hai| usameM phira aura kucha calegA hI nahIM / pasaMda Ae yA na Ae phira bhI / udAharaNa ke taura para mUla meM vyavahAra AtmA agara gusse kI dakhalaMdAz2I kare to vaisI hI prakRti bana jAtI hai| phira jaba vaha chUTe, taba vaha vaisA hI gussA karatI hai| taba aMdara vyavahAra AtmA ko acchA nahIM lagatA lekina phira usameM prakRti kyA kare? yAnI AtmajJAna ke bAda aMdara kI DakhoDakhala baMda ho jAtI hai isalie AtmA, AtmA ke svabhAva meM rahatA hai aura prakRti, prakRti ke svabhAva meN| bIca meM dakhalaMdAz2I ke rUpa meM bhrAMti se jo aisA ho rahA thA ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~,' vaha baMda ho jAtA hai, svarUpa jJAna kI prApti ke bAda / 'dAdA' niraMtara khuda kI prakRti kI pratyeka kriyA ko 'dekhate' hI rahate the, 'dekhate' hI rahate the... kAraNa prakRti aura kArya prakRti - kArya prakRti meM koI bhI badalAva nahIM kiyA jA sakatA lekina kAraNa prakRti meM thor3A bahuta kiyA jA sakatA hai| udAharaNa ke taura para corI kI Adata ho to dRr3ha nizcaya kara-karake usameM se bAhara nikala sakatA hai, utanA parivartana karane kA adhikAra hai| arthAt kAraNa prakRti sUkSmarUpI hai / use samajhakara vahA~ para parivartana karane ke bajAya loga kArya prakRti meM parivartana karane jAte haiM / jo aMta meM to vyartha sAbita hotA hai! khuda ke pAsa jitanA jJAna hai, utanA puruSArtha ho pAtA hai| satajJAna, ve pUrNa bhagavAna haiN| jitane aMza taka bhagavAna usake pAsa hai utanA hI pAvaraphula usakA puruSArtha hai ! sarjana jJAna ke anusAra hotA hai aura visarjana prakRti ke adhIna hotA hai yAnI ki sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa / 18

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pichale janma meM jo kAraNa prakRti banI, vaha isa janma meM kArya prakRti meM pariNAmita hotI hai| ahaMkAra kI vajaha se naI kAraNa prakRti banatI hI rahatI hai| manuSya AMtarika prakRti lekara AyA hai, usI ke AdhAra para abhI use bAhya prakRti meM sabakucha milatA hai| varnA to kucha milatA hI nahIM! AtmA rAga-dveSa rahita hai| sthUla prakRti rAga-dveSa rahita hI hai, pUraNagalana (cArja honA, bharanA-DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) svabhAvI hai| rAgadveSa kauna karatA hai? ahaMkAra! prakRti ko sardI-garmI laganA, vaha svabhAvika hai, lekina taba jo rAga-dveSa hote haiM, ve vibhAvika haiN| ahaMkAra vaha saba karatA hai| prakRti kisake tAbe meM hai? ajJAnI kI prakRti ahaMkAra ke tAbe meM hai aura AtmajJAna prApta logoM kI prakRti, 'vyavasthita ke tAbe meM!' 'vyavasthita' aura prakRti meM kyA pharka hai? 'vyavasthita' kArya karatA hai aura prakRti kA vilaya hotA jAtA hai| prakRti ko utpanna karane meM vyavasthita nahIM hai, vahA~ para ahaMkAra hai, kartApana se hotA hai| prakRti kA DiscArja honA, vaha 'vyavasthita' hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| akrama jJAna milane ke bAda ahaMkAra phrekcara ho jAtA hai| isalie naI prakRti bananA bilkula baMda ho jAtA hai| phira jo prakRti iphekTa ke rUpa meM hai, usI ko 'vyavasthita' kahA jAtA hai| jo prakRti kaoNz2a sahita ho, use vyavasthita nahIM kahA jA sktaa| saMkSepa meM, prakRti arthAt gata janma kA bharA huA mAla! [ 1.3] prakRti jaise banI hai, usI anusAra khulatI hai AtmA kA jJAna hone ke bAda Asakti kA kyA hai? prakRti ko Asakti hotI hai aura puruSa usakA jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai| donoM alaga ho gae haiM aura apane-apane svabhAva meM A gae haiN| prakRti ko khapAnA arthAt kyA? apanI prakRti sAmanevAle ko anukUla Ae, aisA karake samabhAva se nikAla (nipaTArA) krnaa| 19

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Adata aura prakRti meM kyA pharka hai? bAra-bAra cAya mA~gane se usakI Adata par3a jAtI hai| pahale Adata DAlatA hai aura phira Dala jAtI hai| jaba DAla rahe hote hoM, taba Adata chUTa sakatI hai lekina par3I huI Adata nahIM chuutttii| jaisA prakRti kA svabhAva hai, vaha hamezA vaisI hI nikalatI hai ! calane kA jaisA aMdAz2a hotA hai, vaha assI sAla kI umra meM bhI nahIM bdltaa| DiscArja kaise badala sakatA hai? jinakI prakRti niyamita ho, vaha AtmA ko koI helpa nahIM karatI lekina vaha vyavahAra meM helpa karatI hai| khAne-pIne meM, bolane-calane meM, kudaratI hAjata vagairaha sabhI kucha use jaise niyama meM seTa karanA ho, vaise seTa kara pAtA hai| vyavahAra meM pudgala ko breka mata mAro aura AtmA ko henDala maaro| 'kAma karate jAo' kahane se oNbsTrakzana nahIM aaeNge| 'vyavasthita hai', 'hogA', aisA kahoge to kAma meM oNbsTrakzana aaeNge| akrama mArga meM DisIplina meM nahIM AnA hai| jaisA mAla bharA huA hai, vaha nikalatA hI rhegaa| akrama mArga meM to mAtra pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karane kI hI zarta hai aura kucha bhI nhiiN| pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karane meM kauna se breka lagate haiM? anaMta janmoM se jIvana AjJA ke viruddha hI thaa| ataH AjJA ke lie jo breka dabAe hue haiM, unheM uThAyA hI nahIM hai| 'vyavahAra meM aisA honA hI cAhie, aisA honA hI nahIM cAhie' vaha saba vAMdhA - vacakA (Apatti uThAte haiM aura burA laga jAtA hai) hai| usI se AjJA para breka laga jAtA hai! breka mana se nahIM hai, vANI se laga jAte haiN| __ [1.4] prakRti ko dekho nirdoSa prakRti saMjogAdhIna bana jAtI hai, jabaki AtmA bhrAMti se mAlika bana jAtA hai aura jaba vaha chUTatI hai taba AtmA mAlika nahIM rhtaa| isameM vApasa bhrAMti se AtmA ko doSita mAnA jAtA hai ! bAvar3I meM bolo ki 'tU cora hai' to bAvar3I vApasa vahI bolegI! pratispaMdana hai yaha prkRti| yaha kisakI kRti hai? kauna hai doSita? 20

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barasoM purAne prAkRtika svabhAva ko kisa taraha badalA jA sakatA hai? khuda kI prakRti kI bhUloM ko khuda 'jAne' to bahuta ho gayA! vahI bar3A puruSArtha hai aura 'dekhane' se hI doSa cale jAte haiN| anya koI upAya nahIM hai| hara koI apanI prakRti ke anusAra kArya karatA rahatA hai, usameM kisakI galatiyA~ nikAlanI? sAmanevAle ko kartA dekhA, usakI galatI nikAlI tabhI se nayA saMsAra khar3A ho gayA ! kisI kI prakRti tez2a hotI hai, to kisI kI shaaNt| zAMta ho usameM usakI koI bahAdurI nahIM hai| usakI prakRti hI aisI hai ! bipharI huI prakRti zAMta ho jAe to usakI zakti khUba bar3ha jAtI hai| prakRti bhI vItarAga hai aura AtmA bhI vItarAga hai| donoM meM pharka nahIM hai| yaha to bIca meM vyavahAra AtmA kI dakhala hai isalie usase prakRti meM riekzana Ate haiN| yadi sAmanevAlA kA doSa dikhAI detA hai, to usameM apanA hI doSa dAdAzrI assI sAla kI umra meM bhI roz2a eka ghaMTA padmAsana lagAkara baiThate the| usase indriyoM kI zaktiyA~ khUba banI rahatI haiN| dAdAzrI kahate haiM 'maiMne jiMdagI meM kabhI bhI prakRti ko bhalA-burA nahIM kahA hai, apamAnita nahIM kiyA hai|' prakRti mizracetana hai, isa vajaha se aisA karane se usake pratispaMdanoM kA asara khuda para hI par3atA hai! khuda kI prakRti aura sAmanevAlI prakRti ke sAtha eDajasTa karane ke lie sAmanevAle ko zuddhAtmA ke rUpa meM hI dekhanA hai| are, bAgha aura siMha ko bhI jitane samaya taka hama zuddhAtmA ke rUpa meM dekheMge to ve apanA pAzavI dharma bhUla jAe~ge! parama pUjya dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'jagat asaravAlA hai| jaba hama Apake lie vidhiyA~ karate haiM taba z2abaradasta asara rakha dete haiM, viTAmina rakha dete haiN| jisase aMdara utanI hI zaktiyA~ utpanna hotI haiN|' 21

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kramika mArga meM to kapaTa vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM calatA jabaki akrama meM to kapaTa ko bhI AtmabhAva meM rahakara judA 'dekhane' ko kahA gayA hai! khuda saMpUrNataH nirdoSa ho jAe to sAmanevAlA nirdoSa dikhAI degA, varnA nhiiN| dAdAzrI ko pUrA jagat nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai aura 'aMbAlAla' kI pratIti meM aisA hai z2arUra ki jagat nirdoSa hai, lekina vyavahAra meM kabhI-kabhI mahAtmAoM kI galatiyA~ nikAla bhI dete haiM ! lekina turaMta usakA pratikramaNa karake dho dete haiN| jJAnI sva aura para kI prakRti kA nirIkSaNa karate haiM, doSa nahIM nikaalte| __ mahAtmA khuda ke baccoM ko AtmA ke rUpa meM nirdoSa dekhate z2arUra haiM lekina deha se doSita hai aisA karake unheM DA~Tate haiM, aMdara aisA bhAva rahatA hai ki bacce ko sudhaaruuN'| jabaki dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hama dUsaroM kI prakRti ko dekhate hI rahate haiM, use sudhArate nahIM haiN|' lekina jo bilkula naz2adIka raha rahe hoM, nIrUbahana jaise, unheM sudhArane kA z2arA bhAva rahatA hai, isalie kabhI unakI galatiyA~ nikAla dete haiM lekina pUrNa vItarAga ko to aisI z2arUrata hI nahIM rhtii| saMsAra meM to bApa 'khuda ke' sau rupaye khokara bhI bacce ko sudhArane jAtA hai| sAmanevAlA doSita dikhAI detA hai to itanA taya hai ki dveSa hai| usa doSa ko nikAlanA to par3egA hI na! buddhi sAmanevAle ke doSa batAtI hai isalie use pIhara bheja denA hai! sAmanevAle ko doSita nahIM dekhanA hai, jAnanA nahIM hai aura mAnanA bhI nahIM hai| mAtra nirdoSa hI dekhanA aura jAnanA hai! apanI phAila naM-1 sAmanevAle ko doSita dekha rahI ho to sUkSma dRSTi se to phAila naM-1 bhI nirdoSa hI hai| use yoM hI Toka denaa| bAkI sAmanevAlA bhI nirdoSa aura phAila naM-1 bhI nirdoSa hai| phAila naM-1 ko DA~TanA, samajhAnA, pratikramaNa karavAnA aura niber3A lAnA lekina aMdara aisA jAnanA ki vaha bhI nirdoSa hI hai! 22

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[ 1.5 ] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva bhagavAna ko dekhanA hai? jIva meM se prakRti svabhAva ko ghaTA (mAinasa kara) de to khuda bhagavAna hI hai ! prakRti svabhAva mAinasa kisa taraha kiyA jA sakatA hai? koI gAlI de to kyA vaha gAlI bhagavAna de rahe hoMge? vaha to prakRti hai| prakRti kI pratyeka kriyA ko mAinasa karate-karate akriya bhagavAna mila sakate haiM, aisA hai ! nIma hamezA kar3avA hI hotA hai| Ama hamezA mIThA yA khaTTA hI hotA hai, tIkhA nahIM hotaa| hara koI apane-apane svabhAva meM hI hai| sirpha ye manuSya hI na jAne kaba kaisA svabhAva badala leM, vaha kahA nahIM jA sakatA / sAmanevAle kI prakRti ko pahacAnakara samabhAva se nikAla karanA caahie| sAmanevAlA z2ida para car3he to kyA hama bhI z2ida para car3ha jAe~ ? prakRti, vaha to pUrI taraha se aMhakAra kA hI svarUpa hai / AtmA ko AtmArUpa se nahIM dekhate, prakRtirUpa hI dekhate haiM, isIlie vaha TheTha AtmA taka pahu~catA hai| prakRti kI utpatti kisa taraha huI ? sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke AdhAra para ahaMkAra khar3A ho gayA / phira vaha 'spesa' meM AtA hai| iMsAna kA ceharA, Diz2Aina vagairaha saba 'spesa' ke AdhAra para hI banatA hai| do cIz2oM kA 'spesa' kabhI bhI eka nahIM ho sktaa| vaha isalie alaga-alaga hI hotA hai, eka eviDensa ke badalane se sabakucha badala jAtA hai| spesa alaga hai isIlie saMsAra kI sabhI cIz2oM meM svAda, rUpa, gaMdha vagairaha sabakucha milatA hai| mahAtmA gaharAI meM utarakara khuda kI prakRti ko dekheM to usakA patA calatA hai aura halkI ho jAtI hai / ahaMkAra bhI halkA ho jAtA hai, sabhI kA gAr3hApana calA jAtA hai ! isake lie khuda ko sirpha nizcaya karanA hogA / jinheM deha kA mAlikIpana chUTa gayA hai, aise jJAnI kI zArIrika takalIpheM AsAnI se ripeyara ho jAtI hai / mAlikI rahita jJAnI ko oNparezana nahIM karavAnA par3atA / I 223

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dAdAzrI ko 1979 meM paira meM phrekcara ho gayA thaa| taba unhoMne kahA thA ki 'hama isameM se haTa gae haiM isalie kudarata ne spIDilI ripeyara kara diyA ye sb|' phrekcara huA lekina sabhI DaoNkTara acaMbhe meM par3a gae ki 'inake mukha para gaz2aba kA mukta hAsya hai! nirAvRta AtmA dikha rahA hai ! vedanA kI koI rekhA nahIM hai mukha para!' dAdAzrI ne sabhI DaoNkTaroM se kaha diyA thA ki isa 'peTI' ko kholane jaisA nahIM hai| apane Apa hI ripeyara ho jaaegii| isa 'peTI' ko oNparezana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| kudaratI niyama se bigar3A huA ripeyara ho hI jAtA hai, jisameM mAlikIpana nahIM ho, usameM! ye DaoNkTara deha kA jitanA upacAra karate haiM, usase z2yAdA acchI taraha to prakRti deha kA upacAra karatI hai! ajJAnI aisA kahatA hai ki 'mujhe bImArI ho gaI' to ho jAtI hai dkhl| balki roga bar3ha jAtA hai ! varnA svAbhAvika rUpa se vaha ThIka ho hI jAtA! prakRti kA svabhAva nirupadravI hai! vaha to balki upadrava ko baMda kara detI hai! upadrava karmodaya ke kAraNa hote haiM yA phira ahaMkAra vaha karatA hai, tb| coTa lagate hI turaMta hI aMdara kI sArI mazInarI phaTAphaTa kAma karane lagatI hai, use ThIka karane ke lie! kudarata ghAva bharatI hai, DaoNkTara to sirpha sApha-sUpha karake paTTI bA~dhakara kudarata ko helpa karate haiM, basa itanA hI! [1.6 ] prakRti para prabhutva pAyA jA sakatA hai prakRti ko kAbU meM lAnA, vaha gunAha hai| prakRti pariNAma hai| pariNAma para kisI kA kAbU nahIM ho sktaa| gulAba cAhie to kA~ToM se sa~bhAlakara kAma lenA pdd'egaa| bAkI, bhale hI kucha bhI kara lo lekina kyA kA~Te kisI ko chor3ate haiM? svarUpa jJAna hone para bhI prakRti kAma kara hI letI hai| prakRti arthAt anaTAimalI bm| prakRti kucha hada taka badalatI hai| kaoNz2ez2a badalane se prakRti halkI par3a jAtI hai| isalie prakRti apanA kAma karatI to hai lekina halkI par3a 24

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jAtI hai| isalie aisA lagatA hai ki prakRti badala gii| bAkI prakRti jo khuda hI iphekTa ke rUpa meM hai, vaha kaise badalegI? dAdAzrI ko koI mAna de yA apamAna kare, donoM hI samaya meM aMdara se alaga hI rahate haiN| mahAtmA kaI bAra alaga nahIM raha sakate lekina use bhI alaga hI dekhanA hai! __ akrama mArga ke mahAtmAoM ko alaukika bhAva hote haiM, usakA pariNAma abhI milegA yA agale janma meM? donoM hI baar| jo prakRti Aja bana rahI hai usakA phala agale janma meM milegA aura abhIvAle alaukika bhAvoM ke pariNAmataH rozanI milatI hai hmeN| jJAna milane ke bAda prakRti zAMta ho jAtI hai na?! prakRti kA kucha bhAga cenjebala hai aura kucha nhiiN| vAstava meM to kisI kI bhI prakRti cenja hotI hI nahIM hai lekina prakRti kI liMka meM yaha cenja to A hI rahA thA pahale se, vaha abhI dikhAI detA hai| aMdara cenjavAlI hai hii| kRSNa bhagavAna ne gItA meM kahA hai ki 'prakRti kA nigraha kima kariSyati?' prakRti kA nigraha nahIM karanA hai| prakRti ko nihAranA hai! prakRti nahIM bdltii| lobhI marane se pahale lakar3I ke kharca ke bAre meM soca rahA hotA hai ! aba lobhI prakRtivAle ko kyA bhAvanA karanI cAhie ki merA sarvasva jagat kalyANa meM kharca ho jaae| tana-mana-dhana se! usake phala svarUpa agale janma meM vizAla mana milegA! ataH naI bhAvanA karake sudhaaro| hama se koI bhI jIva na mare, usake lie kyA karanA cAhie? dRr3ha nizcaya karanA cAhie ki mere dvArA koI bhI jIva mArA yA kucalA na jaae| niraMtara dRr3ha bhAvanA hAz2ira rahe na to pariNAma svarUpa vaha ahiMsaka banA degI! jagat apanI hI bhAvanA kA hI phala hai| isalie ucca bhAvanA karanI caahie| pazu-pakSiyoM ko kucalane kI icchA hai hI nahIM, phira bhI agara gAr3I calAte hue kucale gae to usakA kyA kAraNa hai? to jA~ca karane para patA calegA 25

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ki calAnevAlA to aisA kaha rahA hotA hai ki 'gAr3I spIDa meM ho taba agara koI jAnavara bIca meM A jAe to vaha kucala bhI jAe, usameM hama kyA kareM?!' isa taraha kucalane kA daravAz2A khulA rakhA ! 'gAr3I TUTanI ho to TUTe lekina kisI bhI paristhiti meM koI maranA to cAhie hI nahIM / ' aise dRr3ha nizcaya se kisI ke kucale jAne kA koI saMyoga prApta hI nahIM hogA ! jaisI cAhe vaisI hI prakRti banAI jA sakatI hai| prakRti meM svabhAva, ahaMkAra vagairaha sabakucha A gyaa| 'prakRti ko badalane ke lie maiM puruSArtha kara rahA hU~,' vaha bhI ahaMkAra hai / iMsAna kI prakRti to marane taka bhI nahIM badalatI lekina jJAna ke AdhAra para prakRti badala sakatI hai, agale janma ke lie / koI bhI prakRti se bAhara nahIM nikala sakatA ! prakRti nahIM badala sakatI, jJAna badala sakatA hai| ghara badala sakatA hai lekina prakRti nahIM badala sktii| pahale prakRti ke ghara meM rahate the, jJAna ke bAda aba nija ghara meM baiTha jAte haiM / phira prakRti apanA kAma karake apane Apa khatma ho jAtI hai| naI prakRti nahIM bntii| prakRti agara binA kaMTrolavAlI ho to usase khuda ko hI bahuta mAra par3atI hai| yoM vaha mAra khAkara sIdhA hotA jAtA hai / jJAna se prakRti kaMTrola meM rahatI hai| aMta meM to prakRti ke sahaja rahane se hI kAma pUrA hotA hai / 1 prakRti nahIM badala sakatI isalie yaha jJAna milane ke bAda usakA tU 'samabhAva se nikAla' kara / hA~, jJAna se prakRti ekadama DhIlI ho jAtI hai kyoMki use aba aMhakAra kA AdhAra nahIM rahA na ! ahaMkAra nikala jAne se prakRti mRtaprAya ho jAtI hai| bhAva nikala jAte haiM, mAtra hAva rahate haiM / bhAva vyavahAra AtmA kA aura hAva prakRti kA ! sAmanevAle ko bhI hamArI prakRti ke bAre meM aisA patA cala jAtA hai ki inameM bhAva nahIM hai / isalie apane se sAmanevAle ko bahuta duHkha nahIM hotA / paMkhe kA svabhAva sirpha ghUmane kA hai, usameM kartApana nahIM hai| jabaki manuSya meM prakRti kA svabhAva aura kartApana donoM hote haiM / jJAna milane ke bAda 26

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kartApana calA jAtA hai isalie sirpha svabhAva hI raha jAtA hai| isase usakA svabhAva ekadama badalA huA lagatA hai ! jaise ki baoNla DAlane ke bAda agara phira se use nahIM chUe~ to usakI gati kama hote-hote vaha ruka jAtI hai, vaisA hI prakRti kA hotA hai! jaise ki bApa agara beTe para krodha kare aura bAhara duzmana para krodha kare, to kyA usameM pharka nahIM hai? beTe para vaha usake hita ke lie kara rahA hai aura duzmana ke sAtha khuda ke hita ke lie kara rahA hai ! kitanA pharka hai?! isIlie to, jaba beTe para krodha karatA hai taba usase bApa kaise puNya bA~dhatA hai! kartApana cale jAne ke bAda krodha nirjIva lagatA hai| bicchU ke DaMka ke bajAya vaha cIMTI aura macchara jaisA lagatA hai! prakRti kA rakSaNa nahIM karanA cAhie aura rakSaNa ho jAe to use bhI 'jAnanA' cAhie kyoMki jo rakSaNa karatI hai vaha bhI prakRti hai! hameM prakRti dikhAI de to hama usa para savAra aura agara nahIM dikhAI de to vaha apane para! prakRti meM acchA-burA kucha bhI nahIM hai| sirpha 'dekhate' hI rahanA hai use| vaha hai aMtima sTeja! prakRti agara aisI ho jAe ki mor3I jA sake to aisA kahA jAegA ki usakI lagAma hAtha meM A gii| ___ yAtrA meM prakRti pUrI taraha se bAhara AtI hai| roz2a sAta baje uThanevAlA pA~ca baje uThakara kaise bhAga-daur3a karatA hai? pahale ToileTa meM ghusa jAU~ nahIM to naMbara nahIM AegA! svArtha A gyaa| usameM bhI harja nahIM hai lekina vaha use dikhAI denA cAhie ki prakRti meM aisA svArtha hai ! aisI jAgRti rahanI cAhie ki aisA nahIM honA caahie|' sevAbhAva se svArthI prakRti khapatI jAtI hai! dAdAzrI ne pUre jagat ko eka mahAna vAkya diyA hai ki 'prakRti kA eka bhI guNa zuddha cetana meM nahIM hai aura zuddha cetana kA eka bhI guNa prakRti meM nahIM hai|' 27

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'akrama kI sAmAyika' meM prakRti jJeya aura khuda usakA jJAtA hai, isa taraha eka ghaMTe taka dekhate rahane se prakRti vilaya hotI hai| jo hara roz2a aisA kare, usakA niber3A jaldI A jAtA hai! [1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha jJAna milane ke bAda prajJA prakRti ke doSa dikhAtI hai aura usakA pratikramaNa karavAtI hai to phira saaph| 'prakRti likhatI hai aura puruSa miTAtA jAtA hai|' prakRti Ter3hA kare aura usake sAmane hamArA Aja kA abhiprAya mUla rUpa se badala jAe ki 'yaha galata hai, aisA honA hI nahIM cAhie,' vaisevaise prakRti halkI hotI jaaegii| prakRti virodhI ho jAe aura khuda usake sAmane jAgRta rahe to ve jJAnI kahalAte haiN| prakRti para dabAva nahIM DAlanA cAhie aura usI prakAra vaha nAce to use nAcane bhI nahIM denA caahie| prakRti nukasAnadeha hai aisI samajha dRr3ha ho jAe to usakI vRttiyA~ baMda ho jaaeNgii| prakRti jo karavAe usameM ruci le, miThAsa kA AnaMda le to vaha bhaTakA degii| ataH prakRti ko udAsIna bhAva se dekhate hI rho| hA~, kisI ko nukasAna nahIM ho, vaha bhI dekhanA hai! ___zuruAta meM mahAtmA doSoM se mukta hone ke lie dAdAzrI se sabhI bAteM batAte haiM aura phira jaba prakRti kI miThAsa mahasUsa hotI hai, taba dhIre-dhIre sArA chupAne lagate haiN| prakRti kA rakSaNa nahIM karanA cAhie, lekina use mApha kara sakate haiN| mApha karane meM judApana hai jabaki rakSaNa karane ke lie usI ke pakSa meM baiTha jAte haiN| jo pratikramaNa karatI hai vaha prakRti hai aura jo mApha karate haiM, ve bhagavAna haiM! prakRti ko kisa taraha se mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai? usa para cir3heM 28

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bhI nahIM aura rAga bhI nahIM, viitraagtaa| jJAnI kI prakRti meM se bhI kaI bAra jaba kucha kharAba nikalatA hai taba ve vItarAga ho jAte haiM ! nahIM bolane jaisA bulavA detI hai prakRti ! phira pachatAvA hotA hai lekina vahA~ para kucha nahIM calatA kyoMki guthA huA hai na prakRti meM! use 'dekhate' rahanA hai| itanA samajha jAe to kAma ho jAegA! jaise-jaise khuda ke doSa adhika dikhAI deM, vaise-vaise khuza honA caahie| pArTI denI cAhie! dAdAzrI mahAtmAoM kI prakRti ko sIdhA kara dete the| koI bahuta mAnI ho aura usase agara roz2a bAta karate hoM to kabhI bilkula bhI bAta nahIM karate! Upara car3hAte aura phira paTaka dete the| aise karate-karate bharA huA mAla khAlI ho jAtA thA aura AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA! hara roz2a rAta ko mahAtmAoM ko pratikramaNa karane caahie| usase bhUleM calI jaaeNgii| svabhAva jaba pudgalamaya ho jAe taba svabhAva aura prakRti eka hI kahalAte haiN| vAstava meM khuda agara khuda ke riyala svabhAva meM rahe, A jAe to vaha bhagavAna hai! hara eka ko bhagavAna banane kA lAisensa milatA hai! prakRti jaba bhagavAna svarUpa ho jAegI taba mukta huA jA skegaa| sabhI ke lie yahI niyama hai| dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJA aisI haiM ki jo prakRti ko vItarAga banA deN| pahale AtmA sahaja hotA hai yA pahale prakRti sahaja? jJAna milane ke bAda dRSTi badala jAtI hai isalie prakRti dhIre-dhIre sahaja hotI jAtI hai! mUla AtmA to sahaja hai hI! yaha to, vyavahAra AtmA asahaja ho gayA hai! jJAnI kI deha bhI sahaja svarUpa se aura AtmA bhI sahaja svarUpa se rahate haiM! dakhalaMdAjI nahIM krte| dakhalaMdAjI karane se asahajatA A jAtI hai| [1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA prakRti cArja kI huI cIz2a hai, pAvara cetana hai| vaha khuda hI DiscArja 29

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hotI rahatI hai| hameM to mAtra use 'dekhate' hI rahanA hai| prAkRta guNoM ko 'dekhate' hI rahanA hai| TeparikaoNrDara meM jo kucha rikaoNrDa karake lAe haiM, vaha pUre dina bajatA hI rahatA hai, use bhI 'dekhate' rahanA hai| zuddhAtmA hokara dekhane se prakRti zuddhatva prApta karatI hai| khuda kI prakRti ko 'dekhanA', vahI yathArtha jJAtA-dRSTApanA hai| bAhara kA dekhanA, vaha nhiiN| aMdara mana-buddhi-cittaahaMkAra sabhI kyA kara rahe haiM, use dekhate hI rahanA hai philma kI trh| prakRti ke jJeyoM ke prakAra haiM, sthUla jJeya, sUkSma aura suukssmtr| pahale sthUla jnyey| phira bIca ke hisse meM sUkSma jnyey| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha sUkSma jJeya kahalAte haiN| usase bhI Age sUkSmatara prakRti meM to jo sirpha dAdAzrI ko hI dikhAI de sakeM, ve haiN| khuda kI prakRti to dikhatI hI hai lekina sAmanevAle kI prakRti bhI aba isake bAda kyA karegI, aba usake bAda kyA karegI....vaha bhI Age se Age lekina ekjekTa dikhAI detA hai| sabhI kucha, TAima Tu TAima jo kucha karatA hai vaha dikhAI detA hai| prakRti meM jo kaSAya hote haiM, ve khuda ko pasaMda nahIM haiM, khuda kA abhiprAya usase alaga ho jAe to vaha saMyamI kahalAtA hai| asaMyamI to prakRti meM tanmayAkAra rahakara kAma karatA hai| saba se aMtima sTeja hai, jJAtAdRSTA rhnaa| lekina agara vaisA nahIM raha pAe phira bhI prakRti jo kare usa para khuda kA abhiprAya usase alaga rakhe, to use jJAtA-dRSTA jaisA phala hI mAnA jaaegaa| __ zuddhAtmA ho jAne ke bAda ahaMkAra tathA mAlikIbhAva khatma ho jAtA hai| taba phira jo bAkI bace, ve divyakarma mAne jAte haiN| prakRti kA phorsa z2yAdA ho taba vaha use dekhanA bhulavA detI hai| vahA~ para jaise-jaise AjJA pAlana karate jAe~ge vaise-vaise Atmazakti prakaTa hotI jaaegii| hama zuddhAtmA ho gae hai| aba prakRti kyA kahatI hai ki 'Apa to zuddha ho gae, aba Apako hameM zuddha karanA hai kyoMki Apane hI hameM bigAr3A hai!' tabhI donoM mukta ho sakeMge! 30

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aba pudgala ko zuddha kisa taraha se kiyA jA sakatA hai? pratikramaNa se! prakRti ke svabhAva ko nihAranA, vaha jJAyakatA hai| prakRti kA sira du:khe to use 'dekhanA' haiN| 'mujhe duHkhA' kaheMge to vahA~ para ajAgRti ghera legii| sabhI kucha use cipaka jAtA hai| jaisA ciMtavana kare, vaha turaMta vaisA hI ho jAtA hai! rAta ko cAra macchara maMDarAe~ taba aise mAratA hai unheM / yaha prakRti doSa niklaa| taba Apa parezAna ho jAte ho| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki merI maccharadAnI meM do macchara ghusa jAe~ to ye bahana nikAla detI haiN| kyoMki agara pichale janma meM maccharoM ke lie cir3ha ghusa gaI ho to use nikAlane meM dera lagatI hai, vaha prakRti meM guthI huI hI hotI hai| jaina zAstra bAIsa pariSaha ko sahana karane ko kahate haiN| lekina isa kAla meM eka bhI pariSaha kisI se sahana nahIM ho sktaa| lekina isa akrama vijJAna dvArA sabhI se chUTA jA sake, aisA hai! pUre dina khuda kI prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA kaise rahA jA sakatA hai? phAila naM-1 yAnI khuda kI prakRti kyA kara rahI hai, use dekhate rahanA hai| vaha Ter3hA-mer3hA kare to hameM use dekhate rahanA hai, 'kyA bAta hai!' usake sAtha bAteM karanI cAhie to donoM alaga ke alg| dAdAzrI khuda ke anubhava batAte hue kahate haiM, navanirmANa AMdolana ke samaya vidyArthI jaba baseM jalAte the, taba vaha saba dekhakara dAdAzrI kI prakRti meM huA ki 'are, are! ina lar3akoM ne kyA lagA rakhA hai?! inheM patA nahIM, khuda kaise jokhima mola le rahe haiM?!' eka tarapha ve khuda ye dekhate rahate the aura dUsarI tarapha yaha bhI dikhAI detA thA ki prakRti aisA bola rahI hai| basa jalA rahe haiM, aisA kara rahe haiN| usameM apane bApa kA kyA calA gayA?!' prakRti aklamaMdI dikhAe bagaira rahatI hI nahIM na ! prakRti ko dekhanA aura usase bAteM karanI haiN| kaise ho, kaise nahIM, 31

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cAya pIoge? Der3ha kapa ? bhale hI piio|' vahI jJAtA - dRSTApana ! prakRti ke sAtha eDajasTa honA AnA cAhie / prakRti to suMdara svabhAva kI hai I dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hamArI prakRti ko maThiyA bhAtA hai,' amarIkA meM sabhI loga yaha jAna gae to sabhI jagaha maThiyA parosate the lekina unameM se sirpha do hI logoM ke yahA~ khAe / bAkI jagaha cakhakara chor3a die, isase kisI ko vizvAsa hI nahIM hotA thA ki dAdAjI ko maThiyA pasaMda hai / maThiyA nahIM lekina maThiyA meM rahA huA jo svAda hai, vaha dAdA kI prakRti meM hai ! prakRti kA phira kaisA hai ki Aja jo bhAtA hai, do dina bAda vaha bilkula bhI nahIM bhAtA ! ataH prakRti kI sTaDI karane jaisA hai| [ 1.9 ] puruSa meM se puruSotama puruSArtha do prakAra ke haiM / eka to, agara puruSa banakara prakRti ko alaga dekhanA, vaha riyala puruSArtha hai aura dUsarA hai bhrAMta puruSArtha, vaha hai acche-bure kA phala milnaa| puruSa aura prakRti kI zakti meM kyA pharka haiM? puruSa zakti puruSArtha sahita hotI hai, sva parAkrama sahita hotI hai / vaha zuddhAtmA ho jAne ke bAda hI prakaTa hotI hai| bAkI to sArI prAkRta zakti hai| prakRti meM tanmayAkAra rahate haiM islie| jJAnI bhI prakRti meM rahate haiM lekina usameM tanmayAkAra nahIM rahate / jJAnI sata ke sAtha baiThe hote haiM aura agara hama unake pAsa baiTheM to hama bhI sata ke bahuta hI naz2adIka A jAte haiN| puruSa aura prakRti ko kisa taraha se alaga kiyA jA sakatA hai? puruSa akartA hai aura prakRti kartA hai / jahA~-jahA~ kriyA hai, vahA~ prakRti hai| bheda vijJAna kI prApti ke bAda puruSa aura prakRti alaga ho jAte haiN| usake bAda jJAnI kI AjJA kA pAlana karane se puruSottama banakara rahegA / jinameM potApaNuM nahIM hai na, ve purANa puruSa puruSottama bhagavAna kahalAte haiM! ('maiM kaha rahA hU~ to ve merI kyoM nahIM sunate ?' vaha hai potApaNu) 32

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puruSa Atma svabhAva kA bhoktA hai aura vizeSabhAva kA (sukha-duHkha kA) bhoktA ahaMkAra hai| jIvAtmA se aMtarAtmA aura aMta meM prmaatmaa| puruSa aMtarAtmA hai aura jo puruSotama hai, vaha hai prmaatmaa| puruSa hone ke bAda apane Apa hI puruSottama banatA jaaegaa| [ 1.10] prakRti ko jo dekha rahA hai, vaha hai paramAtmA prakRti ko jo nirdoSa dekhatA hai, vaha prmaatmaa| usa samaya AnaMda, muktAnaMda milatA hai! do prakAra ke pAriNAmika jJAna haiN| eka AtmA kA aura dUsarA prakRti kaa| prakRti ke pAriNAmika jJAna ko nirdoSa dekhA to chUTa jAte haiN| nahIM to ulajhana meM par3a jAte haiM! kauna sA bhAga nirdoSa dikhAtA hai? kevalajJAna ke aNsh| koI gAliyA~ de to jJAnI ko kaisA rahatA hai? yaha mere udaya kA svarUpa hai aura usakA bhI udaya svarUpa hai| use ve nihArate haiN| jJAnI jIvamAtra ko zuddha svarUpa se dekhate haiM aura prakRti ko udaya svarUpa se nihArate haiM! arthAt AtmA se AtmA ko dekhate haiM aura deha dRSTi se udaya svarUpa ko dekhate haiM! prakRti ko niraMtara dekhane meM rukAvaTa kisase? AvaraNa se| ye AvaraNa TUTeMge kaise? jJAnI ke caraNoM meM pratyakSa vidhiyA~ karane se AvaraNa TUTate jaaeNge| jJAnI ko vidhi karate samaya honevAlI sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama bhUleM dikhAI detI haiN| jo kisI ke lie bhI parezAnIvAlI nahIM hotiiN| unheM ve turaMta hI dho dete haiN| prakRti ko jAnA, vahIM se bhagavAna banane kI zuruAta huI aura jAnane ke bAda jo prakRti ko pUrNa rUpa se khapA de, samabhAva se nikAla karake to vaha bhagavAna bana jAegA! prakRti ko khapAnA, isakA kyA artha hai? use samabhAva se khapAnA hai| mana ko vicalita nahIM hone denA hai| 33

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kaSAyoM ko maMda karake khapAnA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra eka hI pudgala ko dekhate the| arthAt prakRti ko mAtra nihAro, nihAro, nihAro! vahI sahI svarUpa-bhakti hai| __jo vidhiyA~ bole, vaha phAila naM-1 aura zuddhAtmA use jAnatA hai ki kyA bolA gayA! kahA~-kahA~ kaccA rahA? donoM ke kArya alaga hI haiN| prakRti ko nihAranA, vaha sva-ramaNatA hai| dAdA kA nididhyAsana aura smaraNa, vaha AtmaramaNatA hI kahalAtI hai kyoMki jJAnIpuruSa hI khuda kA AtmA hai ! jaba taka mUla AtmA pakar3a meM nahIM A jAtA, taba taka 'pratyakSa jJAnI hI merA AtmA hai' aisA karake cala! jo prakRti ko nihAre, vaha puruSa aura jo prakRti ko nihAra cukA hai, vaha paramAtmA! mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra kyA kara rahe haiM, use dekhate haiN| vahI nihAranA hai pUre din| puruSa aura paramAtmA meM kyA pharka hai? puruSa paramAtmA bana rahA hai| abhI taka phAileM haiM na! paramAtmA ko kucha karane ko bacA hI nahIM, kevala jJAtAdRSTA aura prmaanNdii| unakI koI phAila rahI hI nahIM! puruSa prekTisa karatA hai judApana kii| gAliyA~ detA hai taba jJAna hAz2ira rakhatA hai ki ' maiM kauna hU~ aura gAlI denevAlA kauna hai?' donoM akrtaa| prakRti ko bhUlavAlI kahanA bhayaMkara gunAha hai| prakRti guNoM se potApaNuM (maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana) khar3A huA hai| potApaNe ko nihAre to vaha dhIre-dhIre kama hotA jAtA hai| potApaNA meM pUrI prakRti ko nihAranA hai| akrama vijJAnI dAdAzrI ne to prakRti kA pUrA vijJAna kholakara rakha diyA hai, jo ki anya kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM milatA aura aMta meM 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' kI spaSTatA ne to khulAse kI hada kara dI!

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[ 2.1 ] dravyakarma dravyakarma-bhAvakarma-nokarma se jagat ke tamAma jIva baMdhe hue haiN| ye tIna gA~TheM TUTa jAe~ to jIva meM se paramAtmA bana jAe ! sAmAnya rUpa se loga kyA samajhate haiM? khAne-pIne ke jo bhAva hote haiM, ve bhAvakarma hai aura khAnA khA liyA, vaha dravyakarma / vAstava meM aisA nahIM hai| dravyakarma aura bhAvakarma sUkSma hote haiM / dravyakarma muphta meM mile haiN| ve AvaraNa ke rUpa meM haiN| pUrI jiMdagI ke karmoM kA sAra ATha prakAra ke karmoM meM ba~Ta jAtA hai, jinheM dravyakarma kahate haiM / usake phala svarUpa isa janma meM ulTe cazme (AvaraNa) aura deha isa prakAra se do cIjeM milatI haiN| jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, ye ulTe cazme haiM, cAra paTTiyA~ aura nAma, gotra, vedanIya aura AyuSya, ye cAra deha ke rUpa meM milate haiM / ye AThoM karma janma se hote hI haiM / I deha aura AtmA judA haiM phira bhI eka bhAsita hote haiM, vaha kisa vajaha se? dravyakarma ke ulTe cazmoM kI vajaha se / saMsAra khar3A hone kA mUla kAraNa dravyakarma hI haiM / ulTe cazmoM kI vajaha se yoM ulTe bhAva hone lage / bhAvakarma ke bAda taraha-taraha kI icchAe~ khar3I huI / dravyakarma ke jaise cazme hote haiM vaisA hI dikhAI detA hai / kisI ko harA, kisI ko pIlA, to kisI ko lAla / hara eka ke cazme alaga-alaga hone kI vajaha se alaga-alaga dikhAI detA hai aura usI vajaha se matabheda hote haiM / cazme kI vajaha se, 'yaha merI bahU hai aura yaha mere sasura,' aisA dikhAI detA hai! yaha hai ulTA jJAna aura ulTA drshn| dravyakarma baMdhana kI vajaha se jo 'dRSTi' ulTI ho gaI, usI se aisA saba ulTA dikhAI detA haiM ! ulTe-sIdhe bhAva bhI usI vajaha se hote haiM! nahIM to khuda 'paramAtmA' hai, phira bhI bhIkha mA~gane kA bhAva kahA~ se hotA hai? kyoMki ye ulTe cazme haiM / baharA, aMdhA, gU~gA kyoM? bhAvakarma bigAr3e the, usake phala svarUpa yaha deha rUpI dravyakarma bigar3A huA milA ! ATha karma kyA haiM? 35

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jJAnAvaraNa :- anaMta jJAna hai lekina AvaraNa kI vajaha se jJAna AvRtta ho gyaa| jAnane meM pharka A gyaa| darzanAvaraNaH- anaMta darzana hai lekina AvaraNa kI vajaha se darzana AvRtta ho gayA, sUjha nahIM pdd'tii| mohanIyaH- darzanAvaraNa aura jJAnAvaraNa kI vajaha se mohanIya utpanna ho gyaa| aMtarAya:- mohanIya kI vajaha se aMtarAya A ge| brahmAMDa kA svAmI hone ke bAvajUda bhI dekho kaisI bhikhArI jaisI dazA ho gaI hai? aMtarAya karmoM kI vajaha se! vedanIya :- sardI, garmI aura bhUkha lagatI hai to vaha saba vedanIya karma kI vajaha se| nAmarUpa :- nAma rakhA caMdU, phira yaha ki maiM gorA hU~, laMbA huuN| gotra:- acchA pUjya vyakti, kharAba niMdya vykti| vaha gotr| AyuSya :- jisakA janma huA hai vaha phira maregA hii| dravyakarma, vaha saMcitakarma kahalAtA hai aura jaba phala dene ke lie sammukha ho jAe taba vaha prArabdhakarma banatA hai| jo kucha Ae usakA samatA bhAva se nikAla kara diyA jAe to dravyakarma se chUTA jA sakatA hai| jJAna-darzana ke paTTe sApha ho jAe~ to sabakucha sIdhA ho jaaegaa| akrama jJAna se paTTe sApha ho jAte haiN| darzanAvaraNa aura mohanIya saMpUrNa rUpa se khatma ho jAte haiN| [2.2] jJAnAvaraNa karma dravyakarmoM ko dAdAzrI ne momabattI kA udAharaNa dekara suMdara tarIke se samajhAyA hai| momabattI meM kyA-kyA hotA hai? moma hotA hai, battI hotI hai aura diyAsalAI se jalAne para jaba vaha prakAza detI hai, taba vaha pUrI momabattI kahalAtI hai| jo momabattI hai, vaha dravyakarma hai| vaha niraMtara pighalatI hI rahatI 36

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hai aura nayA dravyakarma utpanna hotA rahatA hai| jaise-jaise vaha jalatI hai vaisevaise| isameM jJAnAvaraNa hai| jJAnAvaraNa karma kI vajaha se jJAna meM Age nahIM bar3ha skte| vaha prakAza nahIM hone detaa| jJAna saMpUrNa hai, phira bhI parade ke kAraNa jJAna prakaTa nahIM ho paataa| do-cAra laukiyA~ par3I hoM, unameM se kauna sI kar3avI hai aura kauna sI mIThI, aisA kaise jAnA jA sakatA hai? sAdhAraNatayA ckhkr| cakhakara yAnI ki vaha indriya jJAna kahalAtA hai| buddhi se DAyarekTa patA nahIM cala pAtA arthAt jJAnAvaraNa hai| vaha haTa jAe to binA cakhe hI saba patA cala jAe! are, pUre brahmAMDa ke eka-eka paramANu kaise jJAna meM jhalakeMge! jahA~ para jJAna diyA jA rahA ho vahA~ para agara pramAda kA sevana ho, to usase jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa karma baMdhate haiN| upadeza aura vyAkhyAnoM ko sunate haiM lekina koI parivartana nahIM hotA, balki bigar3ate haiM, usase jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa karma baMdhate haiM! kisI ko aisA kahanA ki 'Apa isameM nahIM samajhoge,' vaha saba se bar3A jJAnAvaraNa karma kahalAtA hai| to phira kyA kahanA cAhie? 'bhAI, soco, Apa z2arA soco to sahI!' itanA hI kahanA caahie| jJAnI se milakara jJAnAvaraNa TUTate haiM lekina khuda Ter3hA ho to vahA~ para bhI Ter3hA hI calatA hai! mUlabhUta jJAnAvaraNa kise kahate haiM? 'maiM caMda, isakA pati, maiM vakIla' ye jJAnAvaraNa haiN| AtmA kA jJAna milane se ve jJAnAvaraNa TUTa jAte haiN| phira jitanA jJAnI kI AjJA kA pAlana kareM, utanI hI pragati hotI hai| samAdhi baratatI hai! svarUpa jJAna mila jAne para ajJAna pUrNarUpa se calA jAtA hai| lekina jJAnAvaraNa pUrI taraha se nahIM jaataa| bIja kA AvaraNa TUTa jAne ke bAda agara AjJA meM raheM to usase pUnama taka, saMpUrNa nirAvaraNa pada taka pahu~cA jA sakatA hai! [2.3] darzanAvaraNa karma darzanAvaraNa arthAt darzana para aavrnn| jisa taraha A~khoM meM motiyA 37

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biMda kA AvaraNa Ane para use dikhAI nahIM detA, usI taraha AtmA para AvaraNa Ane para jaisA hai vaisA dikhAI nahIM detA / bacapana meM sabhI use kahate haiM ki 'tU caMdU, ' taba pahale dhIre-dhIre use zraddhA meM AtA hai, vaha hai darzanAvaraNa | phira use jJAna meM phiTa ho jAtA hai, anubhava ho jAtA hai, vaha hai jJAnAvaraNa / jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa, donoM ikaTThe hone se mohanIya utpanna hotI hai / phira saMsAra kA pUrA hI vyApAra zurU ho jAtA hai / phira aMtarAya Dalate haiM / darzanAvaraNa se sUjha nahIM par3atI / tapa karatA hai, dhyAna karatA hai, usase thor3A AvaraNa haTatA hai, taba phira kucha sUjha par3atI hai| sUjha par3anA nahIM par3anA vaha darzanAvaraNa karma kahalAtA hai / sUjha vaha dravyakarma hai| kaI bahaneM Der3ha ghaMTe meM pUrA bhojana banA detI haiM aura kaI tIna ghaMToM taka ulajhatI rahatI haiN| vaha darzanAvaraNa kI vajaha se hai / manapasaMda mehamAna Ae~ aura hama khuza ho jAe~ to sUjha z2yAdA par3atI hai aura nApasaMda A jAe~ taba kaheM ki 'are, ye abhI kahA~ se!' to usase sUjha kama ho jAtI hai! isa taraha hama khuda hI apane Apa paTTI bA~dhate haiM / samajha aura sUjha meM kyA pharka hai? samajha ko sUjha kahate haiN| samajha arthAt drshn| vaha bar3hate-bar3hate TheTha kevaladarzana taka pahu~catA hai ! darzana U~cI cIz2a hai| jaise-jaise samasaraNa mArga meM Age bar3hate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise usakA DevelapamenTa bar3hatA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise darzana bar3hatA jAtA hai| aise karate-karate bhItara prakAza hotA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, caMdUbhAI nahIM, ' taba darzana nirAvaraNa ho jAtA hai! jaise-jaise AvaraNa haTatA hai vaise-vaise sUjha bar3hatI hai| AtmA kA eka bhAga jo ki AvRta hai, usa AvaraNa meM se udita huA bhAga sUjha hai aura vahI darzanAvaraNa kahalAtA hai| aura usI meM se sUjha bar3hate-bar3hate Akhira meM sarvadarzI bana jAtA hai! vyavahAra meM jJAnAvaraNa va darzanAvaraNa ko kaise pahacAnA jA sakatA hai? 38

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eka vyakti ko vyApAra meM sUjha nahIM par3atI, isalie vyApAra bigar3a gyaa| vaha hai drshnaavrnn| vyApAra kI jAnakArI nahIM hai ki vyApAra kaise kareM, to vaha hai jnyaanaavrnn| _ 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA samajha meM AyA, sUjha par3I vaha isalie ki darzanAvaraNa TUTa gyaa| aba, 'maiM kyA hU~' usakI pUrI jAnakArI nahIM hai, vaha jJAnAvaraNIya karma hai| dAdAzrI jaba jJAna dete haiM taba darzanAvaraNa pUrNa rUpa se TUTa jAtA hai| jJAnAvaraNa dhIre-dhIre TUTatA hai! roMga bilIpha, vaha darzanAvaraNa hai aura roMga jJAna, vaha jJAnAvaraNa hai| [2.4 ] mohanIya karma mohanIya arthAt jo khuda nahIM hai vahA~ potApaNuM mAnanA aura jo riztedArI hai use khuda kI mAnanA! ye pati aura bacce khuda ke nahIM hai phira bhI khuda ke samajhanA, vaha mohanIya karma hai| nagInadAsa seTha kabhI dArU z2yAdA pI leM to phira ve kyA kahate haiM? 'maiM hiMdustAna kA presiDenTa hU~!' kyA hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki yaha dArU kA asara bola rahA hai?! usI taraha 'maiM caMdU, isakA beTA, isakA pati' aisA bolanA, vaha saba moha ke asara se bola rahA hai! 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnanA, vaha mUla moha hai| vahA~ se phira moha kI paraMparA sarjita ho gii| moha, mahAmoha aura vyAmoha kA artha kyA hai? vyAmoha arthAt vizeSa moh| arthAt mUrchita ho gyaa| bebhAna ho gayA jabaki moha meM bhAna rahatA hai| mahAmoha meM bhI bhAna rahatA hai| mAlUma hai ki moha karane jaisA nahIM hai, phira bhI cazme ke kAraNa AkarSaNa ho jAtA hai| dikhAI denA baMda ho jAtA hai, anubhava honA baMda ho jAtA hai, usase moha utpanna ho jAtA hai| dUsare zabdoM meM, darzanAvaraNa aura jJAnAvaraNa kI vajaha se| sira para behada karjA ho, phira bhI bAz2Ara meM paTAkhe dekhatA hai aura mUrchita hokara le letA hai, vaha moha hai|

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anaMta moha haiN| unake sAmane 'maiM anaMta sukha kA dhAma hU~' aisA bolane se moha meM se nikala sakate haiN| AThoM karmoM meM saba se bhArI karma mohanIya hai| use karmoM kA rAjA kahA hai! vaha jJAnI kI kRpA ke binA nahIM jA sktaa| darzana mohanIya ko mithyAtva kahA jAtA hai / cAra ghAtI karmoM kI prabalatA, vaha mithyAtva hai| mithyAtva se Age bar3hane para usake tIna bhAga ho jAte haiM 1) mithyAtva moha 2) mizra moha 3) samyakatva moha jaba mithyAtva moha maMda ho jAtA hai, taba mizramohanIya meM AtA hai / mizramoha arthAt saMsAra bhI sahI aura mokSa bhI sahI, donoM sahI / mithyAtvamohanIya aura mizramohanIya jAne para samakita hotA hai / jaba krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha, cAroM cale jAe~ taba samakita hotA hai / pahale upazama samakita, usameM ardhapudgala parAvartana kAla (brahmAMDa ke sAre pudgaloM ko sparza karake, bhogakara khatma karane meM jo samaya (kAla) vyatIta hotA hai, usase AdhA kAla) taka bhaTakatA rahatA hai / phira kSayopakSama samakita hotA hai| bahuta kAla taka bhaTakane ke bAda kSAyaka samakita hotA hai / jaba samyakatvamohanIya bhI calA jAe, taba kSAyaka samakita hotA hai / usake bAda niHzaMka AtmA prApta hotA hai / akrama vijJAna se sIdhe hI niHzaMka AtmA prApta ho jAtA hai| akrama meM darzana mohanIya aura darzanAvaraNa donoM hI eka sAtha TUTa jAte haiN| yaha akrama vijJAna isa kAla kA Azcarya hai ! dhanya hai isa kAla ko bhI ! dravyakarma baMdhana kA mukhya kAraNa mohanIya hai| jo akrama jJAna se pUrNa rUpa se calA jAtA hai|! aba jo bacA huA moha dikhAI detA hai vaha cAritramoha hai, DiscArja moha hI bacA hai mahAtmAoM meM ! [ 2.5 ] aMtarAya karma cIz2eM hone ke bAvajUda bhI unakA upayoga nahIM kiyA jA sake, vaha 40

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aMtarAya kahalAtA hai| khuda meM anaMta jJAna hai, anaMta darzana hai, anaMta zakti hai, anaMta sukha hai, anaMta vIrya hai isake bAvajUda bhI kyoM icchita cIjeM nahIM milatIM? aMtarAya karma haiM isalie / ajJAna dazA meM mana-vacana-kAyA ke yoga meM khuda niraMtara tanmayAkAra rahakara aMtarAya DAla detA hai / udAharaNa ke taura para koI maMdira meM dAna de rahA ho to use rokate hue kyA kahatA hai ki maMdira meM de rahe ho isake bajAya garIboM ko khilAo na! skUla aura aspatAla banavAo na! aba vahA~ para maMdira ke lie aMtarAya DAlatA hai aura dUsarI jagahoM para dene kA puNya bA~dhatA hai / yaha sArI buddhi kI aklamaMdI hai / 1 lAbhAMtarAya, bhogAMtarAya, upabhogAMtarAya, dAnAMtarAya, vIryAMtarAya, isa prakAra se mukhya pA~ca prakAra ke aMtarAya haiM / ye aMtarAya khuda ne hI DAle hue haiN| pichale janma meM jo DAle haiM, unakA isa janma meM phala milatA hai / jisejise tarachor3a (tiraskAra sahita dutakAranA) lagAI ho, vaha sabakucha isa janma meM nahIM milegA / jinheM khAne-pIne ke aMtarAya hoM unake ghara para battIsa prakAra kA bhojana hai lekina phira bhI DaoNkTara ne paraheja rakhane ko kahA hotA hai, 'roTI aura chAcha hI khAo ! ' kaI bAra to pharz2a nibhAne ke lie hameM sAmanevAle ko rokanA par3atA hai, taba usakA turaMta hI pratikramaNa kara lenA caahie| patnI agara bhArI zarIra kI ho aura agara use cAvala z2arA z2yAdA khAne hoM to pati kica-kica karatA hai ! khAne nahIM detA / are, yaha tUne DAla diyA aMtarAya ! kaI logoM ko prazna hotA hai ki kyA DAibiTIz2avAle ko miThAIyA~ khAne denI cAhie? yadi vaha nahIM mAne to phira kyA ho sakatA hai? hamane dekha liyA usI vajaha se parezAnI hai na ! chupa-chupakara to vaha khA hI letA hai na! aisA rakhanA jaise Apane dekhA hI na ho| hA~, Apako aisA nahIM kahanA cAhie ki 'mata khaanaa'| Apa use sabakucha vistAra se samajhAnA ki isase 41

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kyA nukasAna hotA hai, lekina pulisa ekzana nahIM lenA cAhie, samajhAnA caahie| hama kisI ko bahuta hI Agraha karake bhojana karavAe~ to usase kyA paoNz2iTiva aMtarAya par3ate haiM? nahIM! usase to balki aMtarAya TUTate haiN| agara pazu apane kheta ko rauMda rahe hoM to unheM hA~kakara nikAla dene se kyA aMtarAya par3ate haiM? nahIM pdd'te| vAstava meM aMtarAya kA matalaba kyA hai? koI dAna de rahA ho aura use roke ki 'yahA~ para mata denA, ThagA jAegA, to vaha khuda kI akla lar3AtA hai ki 'dekho maiMne ise kaise samajhA diyaa| maiM aklamaMda hU~ aura yaha kama ak'l|' isase aMtarAya par3ate haiN| aMtarAyavAle ko to usake khuda ke udhAra diye hue paise bhI vApasa nahIM milate, barasoM taka cakkara lagAte rahane par3ate haiN| dAdAzrI niraMtarAya pada meM the| socane se pahale hI cIjeM hAz2ira! ilAja karavAne se kyA bImArI para aMtarAya AtA hai? davAI lene se aMtarAya nahIM Ate, lekina agara davAI ke bAre meM soceM to vaha aMtarAya hai| DaoNkTara kharAba hai, vaidya acchA hai, usase aMtarAya hai| aisA socA, ve sabhI aMtarAya haiN| ise 'dekhate' rahanA, vahI purUSArtha hai! prakRti ke Age aMtarAya nahIM DAlane caahie| aisA karanA hai yA nahIM karanA,' aisA kahA ki aMtarAya pdd'e| use ahaMkAra kahate haiN| prakRti kyA kara rahI hai use 'dekhate' rahanA hai| sirpha eka hI pudgala ko dekhate rahanA hai| dAdAzrI ko kAna se kama sunAI detA thaa| usakA rahasya batAte hue ve kahate the, 'pichale janma meM hameM sahI AdamI sahI bAta kahane Ae to hama usakI sunate nahIM the aura haTa-haTa kara dete the| ahaMkAra kiyaa| galata vyakti kI galata bAta bhI zAMti se sunanI caahie| usake bajAya haTa haTa kiyA, usase sunane ke aMtarAya par3a gae aura phala svarUpa AyA bhraapn|' yadi hiyariMga eDa (sunane kI mazIna) lagavA deM to aMtarAya pUrI taraha se khatma nahIM hoNge| isalie unhoMne vaha nahIM lgvaaii| 42

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koI cIz2a agara eka hI bAra bhogI jA sake to use bhoga kahA jAtA hai aura bAra-bAra bhogI jAe to use upabhoga kahA jAtA hai| khAne kI cIjeM bhoga kahalAtI haiM aura kapar3e upabhoga kahalAte haiM / mUla aMtarAya jJAnAMtarAya hai, usI kI vajaha se sabhI aMtarAya par3ate haiN| kisI ko kisI bhI prakAra kA lAbha ho rahA ho aura use hama rokeM to usase lAbhAMtarAya par3ate haiM / tIrthaMkaroM meM anaMtavIrya hotA hai| z2arA sA hAtha lagA deM to kahA~ se kahA~ parivartana ho jAtA hai| aMtarAya karma kisa taraha TUTa sakate haiM? jisa vajaha se aMtarAya par3e haiM, usake virUddha svabhAva se hI aMtarAya TUTate haiM / 'aMtarAya karmoM ke lie vidhi karane se jJAnAMtarAya par3a jAte haiM, ' dAdAzrI aisA kahate haiN| jJAna kI vidhi karavAne ke bajAya ye ajJAna kI vidhi karavAte haiM, usase jJAnAMtarAya par3a jAte haiM I AyuSya kama ho to vaha AyuSya karma ke adhIna hai| dharma meM matamatAMtaratA kI vajaha se kaI aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| sahI rAste ko sahI nahIM kahA jAe to jJAna ke aMtarAya par3ate haiN| pratyakSa jJAnI mila jAe~ to unake mAdhyama se, sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiN| lekina jise aMtarAya hote haiM use to aisA lagatA hai ki ' abhI kyA jaldI hai?' 'dAdA bhagavAna kA' nAma lene se bhI aMtarAya TUTate haiM ! dAdAzrI do ghaMToM meM nakada mokSa dete the phira bhI logoM ko zaMkA hotI thI, 'aisA to kahIM hotA hogA? ' yoM DAla die aMtarAya mokSa ke ! kisI ko prApti ho rahI ho to usameM aMtarAya DAla dete haiM / kisI ko dAdA ke satsaMga meM nahIM jAne de to usase bahuta bar3A aMtarAya par3a jAtA hai ! kucha logoM ko pratyakSa prakaTa AtmajJAnI mila jAe~ phira bhI mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'hama to apane dharma kA pAlana kara rahe haiM yA phira guru 43

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kA kahA kara rahe haiN| yahI ThIka haiN| aba aura kucha kaise kiyA jA sakatA hai?' yahI usake aMtarAya haiN| khuda ne hI rUkAvaTa DAlI, jo khuda ke lie hI bAdhaka hai| jJAnI se milane meM AnevAle aMtarAya tor3ane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? khuda apane Apa taya karanA hai ki 'mujhe mokSa kA aMtarAya tor3anA hai,' usake bAda jJAnI se kahanA hai ki 'kRpA karake aMtarAya tor3a dIjie,' to jJAnI tor3a deNge| ___ jo aMtarAya rahita hotA hai, use to jJAnI ko dekhate hI ThaMDaka ho jAtI hai, prApti ho jAtI hai! kitane loga to varSoM se bhAvanA kara rahe hote haiM ki 'dAdA ke darzana karane haiM, lekina aMtarAya kI vajaha se nahIM A paate| iMsAna ke sabhI aMtarAya TUTa sakate haiM, lAbhAMtarAya, bhogAMtarAya, upabhogAMtarAya lekina jJAnAMtarAya jaldI nahIM ttuuttte| jJAnI ke aMtarAyavAlA to dAdA ke ghara kI sIDhiyA~ caDhakara bhI vApasa utarakara calA jAtA hai| aise jJAnI dasa lAkha varSoM meM janma lete haiM! vahA~ para bhI kaise aMtarAya lekara AyA hai jIva! pratyakSa ke aMtarAya kaI logoM ko par3a jAte haiN| parokSa ke TUTa cuke hote haiN| pratyakSa ke aMtarAya jAnakAra ko hote haiM, anajAna ko nahIM hote| aMtarAya karma tor3ane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? roz2a pratikramaNa karanA cAhie ki 'he bhagavAna mere aMtarAya karma dUra kiijie| pichalI bhUleM mApha kara diijie|' roz2a aisI prArthanA karanI caahie| jJAna-darzana ke aMtarAya kisa cIz2a se par3ate haiM? Ter3hA iMsAna hara eka bAta meM TeDhA bolatA hai| jJAnI ke bAre meM Ter3hA bolatA hai, saMtoM aura bhaktoM ke bAre meM Ter3hA bolatA hai| usase aise aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| AtmA aura mokSa ke bIca bahuta dUrI nahIM haiM, bIca meM mAtra aMtarAya hI bAdhaka haiN| jJAna dekara, ajJAna nikAlakara jJAnI jJAnAMtarAya tor3a dete haiN| jahA~ para jJAnI kA va tIrthaMkaroM kA vinaya dharma khaMDita ho rahA ho, vahA~ para jJAnI bhI aMtarAya nahIM tor3a skte| mokSa mArga meM vinaya dharma mukhya hai| usa meM bhI jJAnI ke lie to eka Ter3hA vicAra taka nahIM AnA caahie| 44

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darzana meM ho lekina vartana meM na ho to vaha isalie ki vartana ke aMtarAya haiN| kucha loga dharma kI pustakeM jalA dete haiM, mUrtiyA~ tor3a dete haiM, phoTo jalA dete haiM, phAr3a dete haiM / usase bahuta jJAnAMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| kisI ke dharma ke pramANa ko Thesa pahu~cAkara hama kabhI-bhI sukhI nahIM raha sakate / usakA phala Ae bagaira nahIM rhtaa| alaga-alaga dharmavAle dharma ke nAma para Amane-sAmane mAra-kATa karate haiM, hara eka vyakti ko usakA phala avazya milegA hii| vaha chor3egA nahIM / satsaMga meM Ane kA dRr3ha nizcaya karane se to satsaMga ke aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiN| nizcaya meM itanA bala hotA hai ki cAhe kaise bhI aMtarAya hoM, ve usase TUTa jAte haiN| 'roz2a-roz2a satsaMga meM kyA jAnA?' usase par3ate haiM satsaMga ke aNtraay| anizcaya se aMtarAya par3ate haiM / akrama jJAna se khuda kA paramAtma pada prApta hotA hai, lekina usameM satata tanmayAkAra nahIM raha pAte haiM na ! icchA karane se aMtarAya par3ate haiM ! jaise-jaise icchAe~ kama hotI jAtI haiM vaise-vese aMtarAya TUTate jAte haiN| jJAnI ko koI icchA hI nahIM hotI, isalie unheM kisI bhI cIz2a ke aMtarAya nahIM rahate / TheTha mokSa taka kA niraMtarAya pada hotA hai unakA ! jo kucha bhI icchAe~ dikhAI detI haiM, ve DiscArja icchAe~ hotI haiN| unameM cArja icchAe~ to bilkula baMda ho cukI hotI haiN| 'kisI kI tAkata nahIM hai ki mujhe mokSa meM jAne se roka ske|' aisA nahIM bolanA caahie| aise bhAva rakha sakate haiM ki 'mujhe mokSa meM hI jAnA hai| agara koI isake bIca AegA to bhI maiM rukU~gA nahIM,' lekina bolane kA matalaba hai khullA ahaMkAra / icchA aura nizcaya meM kyA pharka hai ? icchA arthAt vaha jo khuda kI manacAhI cIz2a ke lie hotI hai aura nizcaya arthAt nirdhAra / pasaMdIdA aura 45

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nApasaMda se koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| koI kArya karanA ho to usakA nizcaya karanA par3atA hai aura manacAhI cIz2a lene jAte haiM, to vaha icchA hai| nirNaya ke bajAya nizcaya meM adhika z2ora hotA hai| nizcaya meM jisa ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata hai, vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra hotA hai| kabhI bhojana karane meM aMtarAya par3A? jaise-jaise AtmavIrya kama hotA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise kaSAya bar3hate jAte haiN| AtmavIrya TUTatA kisa vajaha se hai? ahaMkAra kI vajaha se| AtmavIrya kama hotA huA lage taba z2ora-z2ora se paccIsa-pacAsa bAra bolanA, 'maiM anaMta zaktivAlA huuN|' mokSa jAne meM anaMta aMtarAya haiM to unake sAmane zaktiyA~ bhI anaMta haiM! ulTI ke sAmane sulTI zaktiyA~ bhI haiN| dAdAzrI kA jJAna sUtra hai ki 'mokSa jAne meM vighna aneka prakAra ke hone se unake sAmane maiM anaMta zaktiAvAlA huuN| roMga bilIpha se AtmA para aMtarAya par3a gae! AtmA kI caitanya zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai, ina aneka icchAoM se! AtmA kI tamAma zaktiyA~ va anaMta aizvarya prakaTa hotA hai, jJAnI ke sAnidhya se, unakI kRpA se! [ 2.6 ] vedanIyakarma zarIra meM takalIpha Ae to vaha vedanIyakarma kA pariNAma hai| vedanIya karma do prakAra ke haiM 1. zAtA (sukha-pariNAma) vedanIya aura 2. azAtA (duHkha-pariNAma) vedniiy| sardI, garmI, aura bhUkha, pyAsa lage to vaha azAtA vedanIya hai| aspatAla meM jo bImAriyA~ haiM ve bhI azAtA vedanIya haiN| ye dravyakarma haiN| zAtA yAnI ki sukha, use bhI vedanIya kahA hai bhagavAna ne| jJAnI zAtA 46

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ko sukha nahIM mAnate aura azAtA ko duHkha nahIM maante| jisakA jJAna maz2abUta ho, vaha kucha bhI nahIM bhogtaa| vaha bhoktA banatA hI nahIM haiN| jJAnI mAtra aisA jAnate haiM ki yaha vedanA deha kI hai, use bhogate nahIM hai| isameM vedanevAlA kauna hai? ahNkaar| AtmA vedatA hI nahIM hai| jJAnI niraahaMkArI hote haiN| vedanevAlA unameM bacA hI nahIM na! kevala 'jAnanevAlA' hI bacA hai| 'mujhe bahuta duHkha rahA hai, sahana nahIM ho rahA' aise karake ajJAnI bahuta vedatA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bhI zAtA-azAtA vedanIya the| kAna meM barU DAle taba bhayaMkara azAtA vedanIya AI thI lekina usameM unakA z2abaradasta tapa rhaa| unheM deha kI vedanA thI lekina mAnasika yA vANI kI vedanA nahIM thii| akrama ke mahAtmAoM ke mAnasika duHkha miTa gae haiM! daihika duHkha mahasUsa hote haiN| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ko jaba paira meM phrekcara huA taba ve bilkula bhI azAtA vedanIya ke bhoktA nahIM the| niraMtara mukta hAsya hI thaa| dAdAzrI ko kraoNnika bronkiAiTisa thA, hamezA khA~sI rahatI thii| dAdAzrI use mahAna upakAra mAnate the| kyoMki khA~sI nIMda se uThA detI hai na! nirAlaMba dazAvAle ko zAtA-azAtA sparza hI nahIM karate, unheM to mAtra 'zAtA-azAtA ko saMyoga jAnU~ ... ' [2.7 ] nAmakarma maiM caMdUM hU~, maiM gorA hU~, maiM moTA hU~, maiM injIniyara hU~, ye sabhI dravya karma haiN| nAma aura rUpakarma meM nAma, rUpa aura Diz2Aina sabhI kucha A jAtA hai| loga aisA kahate haiM ki citragupta ne apanA hisAba likhA hai lekina vAstava meM aisA koI likhanevAlA vyakti hai hI nhiiN| yaha citragupta ke hisAba kI kitAba nahIM hai lekina yaha gupta citra to nAmakarma hai| yaha citraNa hI nAmarUpa karma kA hai kucha loga aisA kahate haiM ki brahmA ne gar3hA hai, vaha 47

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bhI kalpanA hai| koI bApa bhI nahIM hai aisA! bhAva meM se apane Apa hI citraNa ho gayA hai| ___ yaha nAmakarma pUrva saMcita karma hai| inhIM ke AdhAra para hara eka ke cehare, rUpa-raMga alaga hI hote haiM, varnA sabhI ke cehare eka hI sA~ce meM Dhale hue hoM, vaise nahIM hote? koI AtmahatyA karatA hai to vaha bhI nAmakarma kI vajaha se| nAmakarma ke kaI prakAra haiN| gorA-kAlA, laMbA-nATA, vaha saba nAmakarma meM AtA hai aura aMga-upAMga vagairaha bhI nAmakarma meM AtA hai| jisake kAna kI lolakI alaga ho to vaha mokSa kA adhikArI hai, vaha hRdayamArgI hotA hai| jinake kAna bar3e hote haiM, ve mahatvakAMkSI hote haiM, dharma meM yA saMsAra meN| tIrthaMkaroM kA nAmakarma kaisA hotA hai? tIrthaMkara bahuta lAvaNyavAle hote haiM, dekhate hI dila ko ThaMDaka ho jaae| unheM basa dekhate rahane kA hI mana hotA hai| unameM pUrI duniyA kA nUra hotA hai| Adeya nAmakarma arthAt jahA~ jAe vahA~ para mAna-tAna, svAgata hotA hai| aura anAdeya nAmakarmavAle kA kahIM bhI svAgata nahIM hotaa| kula, jAti vagairaha sabhI dravyakarma meM A jAte haiN| yaza aura apayaza nAma karma haiN| kucha bhI nahIM kiyA ho phira bhI yaza milatA hai aura apayaza nAma karmavAlA kara-karake adhamarA ho jAe to bhI koI yaza nahIM detaa| Upara se apayaza dete haiN| saMta aura bhakta camatkAra karate haiM lekina vAstava meM jagat meM kisI iMsAna se koI camatkAra ho hI nahIM sktaa| yaha to unakA z2abaradasta yazanAma karma hai jo unheM yaza dilavAtA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ke pAsa to roz2a ke do sau loga Ate the, yaza dete hue| 'camatkAra hai', aisA kahakara hI to! lekina dAdA yaza nahIM lete the, ve to yaha kahakara ur3A dete the ki 'yaha to hamArA yazanAma karma hai'| 48

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dAdAzrI ke pAsa rileTiva problama ke lie vidhiyA~ karavAkara jAte haiM, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'yaha to deva-devI hI kara sakate haiN| isIlie maiM unheM phona kara detA hU~ aura siphAriza kara detA hU~ kyoMki hamArI sabhI devI-devatAoM se pahacAna hai na!' yazanAma karma kise milatA hai? jinheM khuda ke lie kucha bhI karane kI icchA nahIM hai, jo rAta - dina yahI socA karate haiM ki 'ina saba kA bhalA kisa taraha se ho' jo auroM ke lie hI jIte haiM, unheM z2abaradasta yazanAma karma milatA hai| vaha puNya se nahIM milatA / sAmanevAle kA kiMcita mAtra bhI ahita nA ho, duHkha na ho, hamezA vahI dhyAna meM rakhate haiM / ve yazanAma karma bA~dhate haiN| dAdAzrI ko kabhI bhI aisA nahIM hotA thA ki 'mujhe kyA / ' burA karane kI bhAvanA se apayaza nAmakarma baMdhatA hai| 'jagat kA kalyANa karanA hai duzmana kA bhI kalyANa karanA hai', aisA jinake roma-roma meM basA ho, ve uccattama yazanAma karma bA~dhate haiN| [ 2.8 ] gotrakarma I gotrakarma do prakAra ke haiM / ucca gotra aura nIca gotra / ucca gotravAlA jahA~ jAe vahA~ sabhI usake paira chUte haiM aura nIca gotravAle kI saba niMdA karate haiN| jo zarAba pIe, mAMsAhAra kare, galata rAste para jAe, ve sabhI lokaniMdya banate haiN| ucca gotra kA ahaMkAra karanA, supIriyariTI kaoNmpaleksa meM AtA hai| nIca gotra se inphIriyariTI kaoNmpaleksa meM AtA hai, usase nae bhAvakarma baMdhate haiN| isa kAla meM to jo lokaniMdya nahIM hai, unheM lokapUjya mAnanA caahie| sacamuca ke lokapUjya to milane hI muzkila haiM ! dAna karanA, satkArya karanA, vaha saba nAmakarma meM AtA hai aura loka kalyANa kA bhAva karanA gotrakarma meM AtA hai| zreNika rAjA ne mahAvIra bhagavAna ke darzana se hI tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dha 49

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liyA thA! kaise bhAva se kie hoMge ve darzana ! pUrvajanma meM guru mahArAja ne zreNika rAjA ko jo dRSTi dI thI, vaha aura ye darzana, donoM ke milane se tIrthaMkara gotra baMdha gayA ! [ 2.9 ] AyuSya karma momabattI ko jalAne ke bAda vaha khatma hogI yA nahIM? usI prakAra janma lete hI AyuSya kama hone lagatA hai / ise dravyakarma kahate haiM / yaha karma jIva ko deha meM bA~dhakara rakhatA hai / kevalajJAna hone ke bAda bhI AyuSya karma rahatA hai| deha mara jAtI hai lekina khuda nahIM / agara AyuSya karma laMbA hai to vaha puNya kI vajaha se / AyuSya karma zvAsozvAsa para AdhArita hai, varSoM para nhiiN| aNahakka ke viSaya meM, kucAritra meM saba se adhika zvAsa kharca ho jAte haiN| usake bAda hakka ke viSayoM meM, phira krodha meM khUba kharca ho jAte haiM / lobha se AyuSya bar3hatA hai| lobhI kama viSayI hotA hai / hara kSaNa AThoM karma baMdhate hI rahate haiN| jaba dUsare karma baMdhate haiM taba unake sAtha AyuSya karma bhI baMdha jAtA hai| karma ke AyuSya ko AyuSya kahate haiN| AyuSya baMdhana kA niyama - jaba 2 / 3 AyuSya bIta jAtA hai taba pahalA baMdha par3atA hai| sATha varSa kA AyuSya ho to cAlIsaveM varSa meM pahalA baMdha par3atA hai usake bAda jo bIsa varSa bace haiM usake 2/3, 1/3 DivAiDa karatekarate baMdha par3atA jAtA hai aura pahale kA par3A huA baMdha miTatA jAtA hai| / mAtR bhAvavAle kA AyuSya laMbA hotA hai / kisI ko duHkha ho jAe to vaha use acchA nahIM lgtaa| oblAijiMga hotA hai sadA / dUsaroM ke AyuSya ko hama jitanA nukasAna pahu~cAte haiM, utanA hI apanA AyuSya kama hotA jAtA hai| [ 2.10 ] ghAtI aura aghAtI karma momabattI meM cAra dravya karma hote haiM, aghAtI karma hote haiN| eka hai 50

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dhAgA, jo jala jAtA hai / dUsarA hai dhAge ko jalAnevAlA moma, tIsarA jo khuda jalakara khatma ho jAtA hai, vaha AyuSya karma hai aura cauthA hai prakAza / isa prakAra cAra hue| momabattI meM ghAtIkarma nahIM hote aura apane meM cAra ghAtIkarma bhI hote haiN| isa prakAra manuSya meM ATha karma hote haiM / jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya / ye AtmA kA ghAta karanevAle karma haiM, isalie inheM ghAtIkarma kahA hai| 1 dravya karma niraMtara ekz2osTa hote hI rahate haiM aura eka dina khatma ho jAte haiN| ye cAra ghAtIkarma cazme haiM aura jo aghAtI karma haiM, vaha deha kA bhogavaTA hai| akrama vijJAna se ghAtIkarma kA mukhya mohanIya aura darzanAvaraNa saMpUrNa khatma ho jAtA hai| kucha aMzoM taka jJAnAvaraNa aura aMtarAya bhI khatma ho jAte haiM, mAtra do hI ghaMToM meM / aba aghAtI karma jo ki deha ke haiM, unheM bhoganA bAkI rahatA hai / usameM se jo utpanna hotA hai vaha nokarma hai, jinheM bhugatanA hI par3atA hai| ghAtIkarma khatma ho jAne ke bAda sirpha aghAtI karmoM kA nikAla hI karanA bAkI rahatA hai ! tIrthaMkaroM ko jaba kevalajJAna hotA hai, taba ghAtIkarma saMpUrNa rUpa se naSTa ho jAte haiN| unake aghAtI karma bahuta ucca prakAra ke hote haiN| zukladhyAna se ghAtIkarma naSTa ho jAte haiN| dAdAzrI jaba jJAna dete haiM, taba zukladhyAna utpanna hotA hai / AThoM karmoM meM mukhya mohanIya karma hai| usase darzanAvaraNa karma kA baMdhana hotA hai| darzanAvaraNa arthAt roMga bilIpha aura phira jJAnAvaraNa utpanna hotA hai| mohanIya arthAt AtmA ko AtmA ke rUpa meM na dekhakara anya prakAra se dekhnaa| isalie saba ulTA hI dikhAI detA hai / kaSAya mohanIya ke bacce haiN| 'maiM kauna hU~' jaba yaha samajha meM A jAe to kaSAya phira dUra hone lagate haiN| jaba mohanIya, darzanAvaraNa aura jJAnAvaraNa haTa jAe~, taba jJAnalabdhi 51

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hotI hai| akrama meM jJAnalabdhi hotI hai, usake bAda aghAtI karma ekAdha janma meM khatma ho jAte haiN| jaba aghAtI karma khatma ho jAte haiM taba AtyaMtika mokSa hotA hai| isa prakAra dAdAzrI ne ATha prakAra ke dravya karmoM kA sarvottama prakAra kA tAtvika vivaraNa diyA hai, jo ki aura kahIM bhI nahIM miltaa| __ [2.11] bhAvakarma bhAvakarma kA artha kyA hai? saMkSepa meM, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vahI bhAvakarma hai| dravya karma ke cazmoM kI vajaha se use yaha bhAva hotA hai ki yaha acchA hai aura yaha kharAba hai| bhAva kI vajaha se cazme nahIM haiM, cazmoM kI vajaha se bhAva hote haiM! bhAva aura abhAva se karma baMdhana hotA hai| krodha-mAna arthAt abhAva aura mAyA-lobha arthAt bhaav| agara ahaMkAra ho to bhAva-abhAva haiM aura agara ahaMkAra nahIM ho to laaik-ddislaaik| 'maiM' aura 'merA', ve kramazaH krodha-mAna aura mAyAlobha hue| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha bhAvakarma haiN| mAna-apamAna bhI bhAvakarma haiN| kapaTa, moha, lobha vagairaha sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| lobha arthAt agale janma meM jo milanevAlA thA, use Aja hI bhunA liyaa| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hI bhAvakarma haiN| ve yadi hiMsaka hoM to bhAvakarma hai aura na ho to bhAvakarma nahIM khlaataa| cAra kaSAyoM meM se eka hI ho, aisA nahIM hotaa| ekAdha unameM se saradAra bana baiThatA hai aura usake sAtha dUsare bhI hote haiN| ArtadhyAna, raudradhyAna aura dharmadhyAna, ye sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| bhAva aura bhAvakarma meM kyA pharka hai? 'mujhe yaha bhAtA hai, mujhe yaha bhAtA hai,' aisA jo saba hotA hai, vaha saba iphekTa hai aura bhAvakarma kaoNz2a hai aura bhAvanA bhAvakarma kA phala hai| 52

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aMdara bhAva hotA hai ki mujhe kamAnA hai, zAdI karanI hai, ghara banavAnA hai| aMdara aise jo sUkSma bhAva baMdha jAte haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiN| bhAvakarma sUkSma hai, ve vyavahAra meM Ate hI nhiiN| bhAvakarma kisa taraha baMdhate haiM? kisI ne meyara ke dabAva se pacAsa haz2Ara rupaye dAna meM die aura aMdara use bhAva meM aisA rahatA hai ki 'agara yaha dabAva nahIM AyA hotA to eka bhI paisA nahIM detA' to aise usane bhAvakarma bigAr3a diyA, to agale janma meM vaha phala degA aura jo pacAsa haz2Ara die, vaha to iphekTa hai aura usakA iphekTa isa janma meM hI mila jAtA hai| loga 'vAha-vAha karate haiN| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' taba taka bhAvakarma hai aura jaba aisA ho gayA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to bhAvakarma khatma ho jAtA hai| jagat bhAvakarma se hI kAyama hai| bhAvakarma khatma huA to saMsAra asta ho jaaegaa| kartAbhAva se bhAvakarma baMdhate haiN| bhoktAbhAva se bhoganA, vaha bhI bhAvakarma kahalAtA hai| agara aisA jJAna rahe ki 'vAstava meM to sabakucha vyavasthita hI kara rahA hai,' to bhAvakarma khatma ho jaaegaa| __ [2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma ATha prakAra ke dravya karma haiN| jaba ve DiscArja hote haiM to vApasa usameM se bhAvakarma banate haiN| jo cAra kaSAya haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiN| aba agara dravya karma ke mAlika na baneM, usameM kaSAya na hoM to bhAvakarma khatma ho jAte haiN| ataH cArja karma baMda ho jAtA hai| mAtra deha kI vajaha se DiscArja karma bhogane bAkI rahate haiN| bhAvakarma ke prakAra yA DigrI nahIM bdlte| ve mUla jagaha se Tapakate rahate haiN| eka hI taraha kA hotA hai| phira unase nae dravya karma banate-banate to bahuta samaya laga jAtA hai| AtmA ne apanI zuddhatA kabhI bhI nahIM chodd'ii| ye to jar3a aura cetana, ina do tatvoM ke ikaTThe hone se vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiN| mUlataH dravya 53

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karma meM se ye vyatireka guNa (krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha), ye bhAvakarma utpanna hue hai| roMga bilIpha se pAvara bhara gayA hai | cetana kA pAvara jar3a meM bilIpha ke rUpa meM A gayA hai| usa pAvara kI vajaha se hI duHkha haiM / vaha pAvara kharca ho jAegA to duHkha cale jaaeNge| vyatireka guNa se pAvara khar3A ho gayA hai| isI ko vyavahAra AtmA kahA hai| mUla tatva khuda ke guNa yA svabhAva ko chor3ate hI nhiiN| ulTA dikhe ki 'maiM caMdU hU~' to vaha bhAvakarma aura sIdhA dikhe ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to svabhAva bhAva kahalAtA hai / 'maiM kara rahA hU~', vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai| chaH mUla orijinala dravya karma kisa prakAra se banA? samasaraNa mArga meM dravyoM ke milane para paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiM / ATha prakAra ke dravya karma banate haiN| unameM se cAra paTTiyA~ A~khoM para (AvaraNoM kA cazmA) haiM aura bAkI ke cAra deha se bhogane hote haiM / parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne basa itane meM hI saba se guhyatama jJAna, mUla jJAna anAvRta kara diyA hai| karma kA mUla kahA~ se hai, vaha yahIM para spaSTa samajha meM A sakatA hai| svarUpa kA jJAna milane se bhrA~ti jAtI hai, AvaraNa haTate haiM isalie paTTiyA~ nikala jAtI haiM / bhAvakarma kA kartA kauna hai? ahNkaar| ahaMkAra meM se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna hote haiM / ahaMkAra kahA~ se utpanna hotA hai? ye jo chaH dravya milate haiM, unameM se jar3a aura cetana ke milane para vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiM / usa vizeSa pariNAma se aham utpanna hotA hai| khuda cetana hai phira bhI anya ko, jar3a ko, 'maiM' mAnatA hai, usase roMga plesa meM jo Aropita bhAva khar3A ho jAtA hai, vahI ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| karate haiM saMyoga aura khuda mAnatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA', to anya jagaha para 'maiM' ke astitva ke roMga bilIpha se roMga bilIpha eka sTepa Age bar3hatI hai aura kartApada meM anya ke sthAna para khuda ko kartA mAnatA hai| isase aham meM se bana jAtA hai ahaMkAra, kartApana meM AyA, isa vajaha se aham meM se ahaMkAra banA / jJAna milane ke bAda use yaha rAiTa bilIpha baiTha jAtI hai ki jar3a aura cetana alaga haiM, taba phira isakA aMta A jAtA hai| AtmA karma kA preraka nahIM hai / vaha karma grahaNa karatA hI nahIM hai / yaha 54

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to, vyavahAra se usake lie preraka aura grahaNa karanevAlA mAnA jAtA hai / mAnyatA ke anusAra pudgala usI svarUpa kA ho jAtA hai| isake phala svarUpa bhAva, dravya bana jAte haiM / kramika mArga meM bhAvakarma, vaha khuda kI niz2a kalpanA kahalAtI hai, isalie cetanarUpa arthAt mizracetana bana jAtA hai | cetana kI sphUraNA hone se pudgala meM pAvara A jAtA hai, jisase pAvara cetana banA hai| jJAna ke bAda nayA pAvara nahIM bharatA / jar3adhUpa arthAt paramANu khiMcate haiN| gussA honA, vaha bhAvakarma hai| usake (krodha ke) paramANu khIMcatA hai| ye jo paramANu khiMcate haiM, ve bAhara se nahIM khiNcte| bAhara to ve sthUla rUpa se haiN| yaha to aMdara ke hI paramANuoM ko, nija AkAza meM khIMcatA hai| sUkSma ke hisAba se phira bAhara ke sthUla paramANu mila Ate haiM aura rUpaka meM Ate haiM / khuda ne jo kalpanA kI arthAt jaisI Diz2Aina banAI, paramANu vaise hI ho jAte haiN| ata: jisa taraha kI sphUraNA huI, usI taraha ke pudgala ko khIMcatA hai aura usI taraha kA sArA sarjana ho jAtA hai| ye gadhe, hAthI, cIMTI vagairaha khuda kI hI sphUraNA se utpanna hue haiM, lekina vaha parabhAva meM ho gayA hai / parasattA meM ho gayA hai| AtmA jJAna se akartA hai aura ajJAna se kartA hai| jisakA upacAra nahIM huA, Diz2Aina nahIM banI, koI yojanA nahIM banI, usa anaupacarita vyavahAra se AtmA dravya karma kA kartA hai| 'maiM kaha rahA hU~, jA rahA hU~, A rahA hU~,' vaha hai upacArika vyavahAra, jo carita huA vaha upacarita hotA hai aura usameM se aupacArika ho jAtA hai / upacAra se ghara-vyApAra Adi kA kartA hai aura anupacarya arthAt nAka-kAna- - A~kha vagairaha, vaha kyA hamane hI gar3hA hai ? I bhAvakarma karane se deha nirmita ho jAtI hai / bhAvakarma karanevAle ko (ahaMkAra ko) pudgala se koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| lekina jaise bhAva kie haiM, usI anusAra pudgala bana jAtA hai ! 55

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akrama jJAna se dAdAzrI ne upacAra aura anupacAra khatma kara die| kramika meM, jo dikhAI dete haiM unhIM ko dravya karma kahate haiN| vAstava meM dravya karma dikhAI nahIM dete| bhAva kauna karatA hai? vyavahAra aatmaa| pratiSThita AtmA bhI bhAva nahIM karatA aura zuddhAtmA bhI nahIM krtaa| dravya karma kI paTTI kI vajaha se kaSAya (AvaraNa) haiM aura usI kI vajaha se bhAvakarma haiN| akrama meM dAdAzrI dvArA diyA gayA bhAvakarma, dravya karma aura nokarma kA spaSTIkaraNa kramika se bilkula alaga hai, lekina yathArtha hai| dravya karma meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| DiscArja ho rahe karma, iphekTa meM Ae hue karma, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| jo bhAvakarma DiscArja hote haiM, ve nokarma haiN| kramika mArga meM, gussA honA, vaha bhAvabaMdha hai aura mAra khAnA, vaha dravyabaMdha hai| kramika meM nokarma ko dravya karma kahate haiN| vAstava meM mAra khAnA vaha nokarma hai| kramika meM aisA mAnate haiM ki bhAvakarma meM se dravya karma banate haiM lekina vAstava meM dravya karma, ye jo ATha prakAra ke haiM, unhIM ko kahate haiN| dravya karma meM se bhAvakarma, bhAvakarma meM se vApasa dravya krm| nokarma kI koI qImata hI nahIM hai| kriyA nahIM, lekina jo bhAva hote haiM ve bhAvakarma hai| lokapUjya vyakti ko 'Aie, padhArie, padhArie' kahate haiM to usase seTha khuza ho jAte haiM, vaha bhAvakarma hai| apamAna hone para Dipresa ho jAte haiM, vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai| akrama meM, jJAna ke bAda bhAvakarma khatma ho jAte haiM kyoMki ina sabhI kA mAlika hI haTa gayA! mAlika ho to kyA hogA? yaha 'merA' hai, aisI dRSTi utpanna hone se vApasa Azrava (karma cArja) ho jaaegaa| bhAvakarma hone se Azrava hotA hai, usase vApasa karma baMdha par3atA hai| isa Azrava baMdha ko loga anAdikAla se khodakara nikAlane jAte haiM lekina vaisA hotA nahIM hai, 56

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mehanata bekAra jAtI hai| jJAnI to kyA kahate haiM ki kisI bhI tarIke se mAtra dRSTi badala lo|' dRSTi badala jAe to sAre Azrava, parizrava (nirjarA) haiN| usake bAda baMdha nahIM pdd'taa| akrama meM to 'yaha merA hai hI nahIM' aisA ho jAtA hai| kaSAya, 'caMdU' ke| ahaMkAra mRtapAya ho jAtA hai aura aMdara sau pratizata aisA ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM' to shuddhaatmaa| pUrI dRSTi hI badala jAtI hai| kramika meM jise liMga-deha kahate haiM, use akrama meM bhAvakarma kahate haiN| dravya karma meM se bhAvakarma aura bhAvakarma meM se dravya karma / dAdAzrI jJAna dete hI isa zrRMkhalA tor3a dete haiN| usake bAda nae bhAvakarma nahIM bNdhte| pichale daihika karma pUre karane bAkI rahate haiM aura kucha aMzoM taka jJAnAvaraNa aura aMtarAya rahatA hai| tIrthaMkara pUrvajanma meM tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dhate haiN| vaha samakita hone ke bAdavAlA bhAvakarma hai| 'jo sukha maiMne prApta kiyA ve sabhI paaeN|' aisI unakI sahaja karUNA rahatI hai! bhAvakarma saMpUrNa rUpa se khatma hone ke bAda kevalajJAna hotA hai| [2.13 ] nokarma nokarma to, agara AtmajJAna ho to unakA asara nahIM hotA, nahIM to asara hotA hI hai| nokarma arthAt 'no', NO - no nhiiN| jJAnI ke aura ajJAnI ke nokarma eka jaise hI dikhAI dete haiM lekina jJAnI meM kartApana nahIM hotA, bhAvakarma nahIM hotA isalie nokarma meM se nayA cArja nahIM hotA, ve jhar3a jAte haiN| isameM mukhyataH samyak dRSTi hI kAma karatI hai| dRSTi badala gaI, isalie nokarma haiN| DiscArja haiN| nokarma arthAt kyA? jo pA~ca indriyoM se anubhava kie jA sakate haiN| jo mana se hote haiM, ve bhI nokarma haiN| mana usakA preraka hai| krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha nikAla deM to jo bace, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| mana-buddhi-citta 57

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ahaMkAra sabhI nokarma haiN| phira yaha sthUla krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kI bAta nahIM hai, yahA~ para sUkSma kI bAta hai| sthUla anubhava ho, ve nokarma haiN| dhaula lagAnA, vaha nokarma hai aura usa samaya agara aMdara krodha A jAe to vaha bhAvakarma hai| jJAna hone ke bAda krodha ho jAe, dhaula lagA de, taba bhI vaha bhAvakarma nahIM hai| mAtra jhar3ate hue nokarma haiN| kriyA ko nokarma kahA gayA hai| jisakI AtmadRSTi ho gaI hogI use kriyA nahIM cipktii| dRSTi hI mukhya vajaha bana jAtI hai| dharma meM jo pATha-pUjA, upavAsa aura japa-tapa karate haiM ve sabhI nokarma haiN| prakRti jo karatI hai usameM agara AtmA kA bhAvakarma nahIM hai to ve sabhI nokarma haiN| sabhI hAjata nokarma haiN| rAga-dveSa rahita sabhI kriyAe~ nokarma kahalAtI haiN| akrama jJAna meM, 'maiM kartA nahIM hU~, vyavasthita kartA hai,' isa jJAna se nayA karma nahIM bNdhtaa| jo dikhAI dete haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| dAdAzrI kartApana ke AdhAra ko hI khatma kara dete haiN| mahAtmAoM kI kriyAe~ ajJAnI jaisI hI dikhAI detI haiM, isalie auroM ko koI pharka mahasUsa nahIM hotA lekina unake bhAvakarma khatma ho cuke haiM, jo bace, ve nokarma haiN| nokarma ke do bhAga haiN| eka cAritra mohanIya jo aba mahAtmAoM meM rahA hai aura dUsarA mohanIya jo ajJAna dazA meM rahatA hai| darzana moha jAne ke bAda jo bAkI bacatA hai, vaha cAritra moha hai| nokaSAya mahAtmAoM para asara nahIM ddaalte| jo kaSAya karane meM nimitta banate haiM, ve nokaSAya haiN| akrama meM phAila 1 se unakA pratikramaNa karavAnA caahie| anaMtAnubaMdhI, apratyAkhyAnI, pratyAkhyAnI, saMjvalana kaSAyoM ke catuSka ko bhAvakarma kahA jAtA hai| kramika meM nokarma arthAt hAsya, rati, arati, bhaya, zoka, jugupsA, strI veda, puruSa veda aura napusaMka ved| rati-arati arthAt lAikaDisalAika aura jugupsA arthAt ghina aanaa| bhaya arthAt ghabarAhaTa / kudaratI riphlekzana....acAnaka se bar3A dhamAkA ho jAe to usase zarIra kA~pa jAtA 58

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hai, vaha nokarma hai| vaha bhaya nahIM hai lekina vAstava meM ghabarAhaTa hai| jo ATha prakAra ke dravyakarma haiM, ve saMcita karma haiM aura jo phala dete haiM ve prArabdha karma haiM, unheM nokarma kahA gayA hai| svarUpa jJAna ke bAda akrama meM nokarma, akarma kahalAtA hai varnA ajJAna dazA meM jo nokarma haiM, ve sakarma kahalAte haiN| hara eka kriyA meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha rahe hue haiM hI, unameM se dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN| dAdAzrI dRSTi badala dete haiM, usase saMsAra roga calA jAtA hai| [ 2.14] bhAvakarma + dravyakarma + nokarma dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM aura phira usameM se kyA banatA hai? bhAvakarma aura nokarma donoM ke milane se vApasa nayA dravyakarma utpanna ho jAtA hai| kaoNz2eja meM se iphekTa aura iphekTa meM se kaoNz2eja..... ataH bhAvakarma kI mA~ dravyakarma hai aura orijinala mUla dravya karma (jo saba se pahale banA), usakI mA~ kauna hai? to vaha hai sAinTiphika sarakamasTenzayala eviddens| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenzayala eviDensa pahalI pIr3hI taka hI rahate haiN| usake bAda dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma banate haiM aura dravyakarma meM se jo phala Ate haiM, ve nokarma haiN| usake bAda bhAvakarma aura nokarma ke milane se nae hI dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN| deha aura paTTiyA~ (AvaraNa), ye donoM dravyakarma haiN| deha bhAvakarma kA sAdhana hai| dravyakarma aura nokarma pariNAma haiN| khuda unakA kartA nahIM hai aura bhAvakarma kA kartA khuda hai lekina usameM bhI vaha naimittika kartA hai| saMyogoM ke dabAva se bhAvakarma banate haiN| pichale janma ke cArja kie hue bhAvakarmoM ke phala isa janma meM nokarma ke rUpa meM bhogane par3ate haiN| isameM mukhya hai bhAvakarma, nokarma nahIM lekina bhAvakarma vApasa dravyakarma ke nimitta se hI banate haiN| agara dravyakarma nahIM hoM to bhAvakarma nahIM bneNge| 59

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rAta ko gyAraha baje mehamAna Ae~ to unheM dekhate hI 'Aie padhArie kahate haiM' lekina turaMta aMdara kyA ho jAtA hai ? 'kahA~ se A gae mue?' to vaha jo 'Aie padhArie' kahA, vaha nokarma hai 'abhI kahA~ se A gae mue ? ' to vaha bhAvakarma hai| nokarma khule rUpa se dikhAI dete haiM aura 'abhI kahA~ se AyA muA?' aisA aMdara huA to vaha kapaTa kiyA / ataH vaha mAyA huI / isalie vaha bhAvakarma meM AtA hai aura aMdara acchA bhAva rahe to bhI vaha bhAvakarma hai| zubha aura azubha bhAva donoM hI bhAvakarma haiN| 'kahA~ se Ae mue' kahA to usakA phala agale janma meM milatA hai| kuttA banakara pUre dina AnevAloM para bhoMkatA rahatA hai / loga 'kahA~ se AyA mue' kahakara nikAla dete haiM / I bhAvakarma vaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai / phira cAhe zubha ho yA azubha, donoM hI (bhrAMta puruSArtha) haiM, jabaki riyala puruSArtha jJAna ke adhIna hotA hai aura deha kI sabhI kriyAe~ nokarma haiM / nikAcita karma bhI nokarma haiN| vANI kyA hai? vaha dravyakarma hai / mUla paramANu dravyakarma ke haiM aura yahA~ se bAhara khiMcakara jisa svarUpa meM nikalatI hai, vaha nokarma hai / koDa varDa aura usake bAda jo zaoNrTa henDa hai, vaha dravyakarma hai aura jo bAhara nikalI, vaha nokarma hai / vicAra nokarma haiM lekina mana kI jo graMthi hai, vaha dravyakarma hai / cittaahaMkAra-buddhi vagairaha dravyakarma haiM lekina jaba unakA upayoga honA zurU hotA hai, taba ve nokarma haiM / prayogasA dravyakarma se pahale ho jAtA hai / jo vizrasA (zuddha) paramANu the, jaba bolanA zurU karate haiM to hamAre aMdara bhAva karate hI ve paramANu ghusa jAte haiM, vaha hai prayogasA / phira mizrasA hone meM dera lagatI hai / mizrasA hote samaya vaha dravyakarma kahalAtA hai / bAda meM dravyakarma vApasa udaya meM Ate haiN| 1 dRSTi ulTI hone se bhAvakarma kI zuruAta huI, vizeSa bhAva huA, svabhAva bhAva nhiiN| usake bAda Age jAkara 'maiM kara rahA hU~' vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai / kaSAya kA samatA bhAva se nikAla kara leM to nayA cArja nahIM hotA / 60

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dravyakarma kucha varSoM ke lie, pacAsa-sATha varSoM ke lie hotA hai| ve sirpha cazme haiM, vaha ajJAnatA nahIM hai| jabaki ina sabhI meM mukhya ajJAna hai, vaha paradA hai| ye cazme lagAtA kauna hai? ahNkaar| isa ahaMkAra kA mokSa karanA hai, AtmA kA nhiiN| AtmA to mokSa svarUpa hI hai| jJAna se pahale jagat ko jisa svarUpa meM dekhate haiM, vaha 'dRSTi' dravyakarma ke AdhAra para hai| usa dRSTi se ulTe cale haiN| dravyakarmavAlI 'dRSTi' cazmA hai| dAdAzrI jaba jJAna dete haiM, taba mUlabhUta ulTI dRSTi nikala jAtI hai| vaha mUlabhUta dRSTi usa tarapha dravyakarma meM calI jAtI hai aura svarUpa meM calI jAtI hai| dAdAzrI mUla dRSTi kA guhya rahasya basa itane meM hI de dete haiM ki, 'koI gAliyA~ de to vaha nokarma meM AtA hai lekina usameM agara ApakI (mUla) dRSTi badala jAe to usameM se dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN|' jo raudrabhAva utpanna hote haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiM aura raudrabhAva utpanna hote samaya mUla 'mazInarI, yaha lAiTa (daba jAtI/kama ho jAtI) dikhatI hai, dRSTi bigar3anA, vaha dravyakarma hai|' yaha dRSTi to anubhava kI cIz2a hai| zabdoM meM nahIM samA sktii| mahAtmAoM kI, 'ApakI' nokarma ke samaya 'dRSTi' nahIM bigdd'tii| bhAva utpanna hone para bhI dRSTi nahIM bigar3atI kyoMki aba usake pIche hiMsaka bhAva nahIM rhaa| arthAt dRSTi nahIM bigar3e to cArja nahIM hotaa| phira to jo bhAvakarma hote haiM, ve bhI DiscArja meM Ate haiN| bhAvakarma aura mUla dRSTi bigar3a jAe~, ve donoM eka ho jAe~, tabhI karma cArja hote haiN| samyaka dRSTi hone ke bAda phira bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma alaga-alaga ho jAte haiM aura phira chUTa jAte haiN| phira alaga hI rahA karate haiM usake bAda phira karma baMdhate hI nhiiN| do tatvoM ke sAtha meM rahane se tIsarA vyatireka guNa utpanna hotA hai, usI se cazme banate haiN| 61

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AtmA svabhAva meM hI hai lekina cazme rUpI koharA A jAtA hai| koharA A jAe to spaSTa nahIM dikhAI detaa| dravyakarma kohare jaise haiN| kohare meM se bAhara nikalane ke bAda bhI kitane hI kAla taka usakA asara rahatA hai| agale janma ke lie jo bIja DAlanA, vaha bhAvakarma hai| bIjarahita karma, ve nokarma haiM aura pichale janma ke cazme, ve dravyakarma haiN| jaise cazme vaisA hI pUrI jiMdagI dikhAI detA hai aura cazme ke anusAra sUjha par3atI hai| sthUla cazme kA patA calatA hai lekina ina sUkSma dravyakarma rUpI cazmoM kA patA calanA muzkila hai| yadi cazmA lakSa (jAgRti) meM rahe, khuda kA lakSa rahe aura bAhara kI hakIkata lakSa meM rahe to koI bhI harja nahIM hai| akrama meM sabhI kucha khatma kara diyA, isIlie kahate haiM na, 'maiM bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma se mukta aisA zuddhAtmA huuN|' jaba jJAnI ko sarvasva samarpaNa karate haiM usa samaya jIvita bhAva arpaNa ho jAtA hai aura mRta bhAga bacatA hai yAnI ki mAtra phala dene lAyaka hI bacate haiM jo ki phala dekara jhar3a jAte haiN| kramika mArga meM jaise-jaise bhAvakarma kama karate jAte haiM vaise-vaise svabhAva anAvRta hotA jAtA hai, jabaki akrama meM pUrA bhAvakarma hI khatma kara diyA hai kyoMki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vahI bhAvakarma hai, jo aba khatma ho gayA hai| bhAvakarma khatma ho gayA isalie phira nae dravyakarma nahIM baMdhate kyoMki bhAva ke kartA bhI aba khuda nahIM rhe| akrama meM mAtra dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJAoM kA pAlana karanA hotA hai, utanA hI cArja hotA hai, jisase z2abaradasta puNyAnubaMdhI puNya baMdhate haiN| jo mahAvideha meM sImaMdhara svAmI dvArA pUrNAhuti karavAne ke lie tamAma sahUliyateM upalabdha karavA dete haiN| isa prakAra bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma kI yaha sUkSma samajha dAdAzrI ne sarala kara dI hai| aisI samajha aura kahIM bhI mila sake, aisA nahIM hai| hAlAMki yahA~ para vaha zabdoM meM hI milatI hai, lekina jaise-jaise mahAtmA jJAnI kI isa samajha ko AtmasAta karate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise unheM ye anubhava meM AtA jAtA hai| yaha saTIka anubhavajanya hakIkata hai| 62

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[ 3 ] 'kucha hai', vaha darzana hai aura 'kyA hai, ' vaha jJAna hai darzana aura jnyaan| dRSTA dekhe, vaha darzana hai aura jJAtA jAne, vaha jJAna darzana kyA hai? jJAna kyA hai? aMdhere meM agara pAsa ke kamare meM kucha khar3ake to sabhI ko aMdara, aisA lagatA hai ki vahA~ para 'kucha hai!' kuttA hai, billI hai yA kucha hai| aba 'kucha hai' aisA laganA, use darzana kahA hai| usake bAda uThakara aMdara jAkara dekheM to dikhAI detA hai ki billI thI ! 'kucha hai' vaha jo aspaSTa jJAna thA, vaha pakkA ho gayA ki billI hI hai, use 'jJAna' kahate haiN| arthAt anaDisAiDeDa jJAna ko darzana kahate haiM aura DisAiDeDa jJAna ko jJAna kahate haiN| isameM billI jJeya hai aura jaba aspaSTa thA ki 'koI jAnavara hai', to use dRzya kahA gayA hai| peTa meM dukhatA rahatA hai, vaha darzana hai aura nidAna ho gayA ki 'apenDiksa hai' to use jJAna kahA gayA hai| socakara dekhA jAe vaha jJeya hai aura jo binA soce-dekhA jAe, vaha dRzya kahalAtA hai| aMdara jaba cir3ha jAtA hai to usakA use patA calatA hai lekina vaha cir3ha kisa vajaha se huI, jaba taka usakA patA na cale to vaha darzana hai aura patA cala jAe, jAna jAe, DisAiDeDa ho jAe ki apamAna hone kI vajaha se cir3ha macI, to vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai / dekhane meM to bahuta kucha A jAtA hai lekina jAnane meM kama AtA hai / dekhate haiM lekina jAnate nahIM haiM / abhI taka yaha anubhava meM nahIM AtA ki usase kyA phAyadA huA? I dekhanA aura jAnanA, donoM rileTiva jJAna haiN| vinAzI cIz2oM ke AdhAra para dekhA aura jAnA, ata: rileTiva jJAna hai aura 'maiM yaha jo samajhA hU~ vaha rileTiva jJAna hai,' jaba samajha aisI ho gaI to vaha kevalajJAna kI naz2adIka kI samajha hai! yaha nirapekSa jJAna ke pakSa meM AtA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA donoM eka hI haiN| DisAiDeDa ho jAe taba dRSTA hI jJAtA bana jAtA hai I vAstava meM to jJAna darzana aura cAritra meM koI bheda hai hI nahIM / AtmA to eka hI hai| jaba AtmA kA 'kucha' bhAna hotA hai, AtmA darzana meM AyA 63

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to use 'pratIti honA' kahate haiM, usake bAda jJAna hotA hai| niraMtara pratIti rahe to use kSAyaka darzana kahA gayA hai| mahAtmAoM ko dAdAzrI ne kSAyaka darzana diyA hai| aba, anubhava karane para jaba DisAiDa hotA hai, taba jJAna ho jAtA hai aura jaba darzana va jJAna donoM sAtha meM hoM, taba cAritra huaa| aspaSTa ho, vaha darzana hai aura spaSTa honA, vaha jJAna hai| maiM Apako samajhAU~ aura Apako samajha meM A jAe to aisA kahA jAegA ki vaha Apake darzana meM AyA', aura merA 'jJAna meM kahA jaaegaa| Apa jo samajhe, use phira dUsaroM ko samajhAte ho to aisA kahA jAegA ki ApakA darzana jJAna meM pariNamita huA aura sunanevAle kA darzana kahA jaaegaa| jaba taka jJAna meM pariNamita nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka sAmanevAle ko samajhAyA nahIM jA sktaa| dAdAzrI ko kevalajJAna pUrA darzana meM A gayA hai lekina vaha samajhAyA nahIM jA sktaa| jAnA huA samajha meM rahatA hI hai, lekina samajhA huA zAyada jAnapane meM na bhI ho| rAste para jAte hue sabhI per3oM ko sAmAnya bhAva se dekheM to use darzana kahA jAtA hai aura yaha nIma hai, yaha Ama hai, jaba aisA vizeSa bhAva se jAneM, taba use jJAna kahate haiN| vizeSa bhAva se jAnane gayA to pha~sa gayA, ataH sAmAnya bhAva se dekhate rho| vizeSa jJAna se dakhala ho jAtI hai aura sAmAnya bhAva se vItarAgatA rahatI hai| hama agara pUche, 'tU kahA~ rahatA hai?' ahmdaabaad| ahamadAbAda meM kahA~ para? addaalj| aDAlaja meM kahA~ para? sImaMdhara siTI meN| sImaMdhara siTI meM kahA~ para? baMgalA naM-2 meN| do meM kahA~ para? mere rUma meN| bAkI ke rUmoM meM to cir3iyA~, cUhA, aura kaoNkroca vagairaha sabhI rahate haiN| ye saba phaoNrena meM hI rahate haiM jabaki saMkSepa meM to eka hI javAba hai| kahA~ rahate ho? 'maiM apane svadeza meM rahatA huuN| homa DipArTamenTa meM rahatA huuN|' homa meM baiThakara phaoNrena kA sabhI kucha dekhatA rahatA hai / homa se bAhara nikalA ki saphokezana hone lagatA hai| vistArapUrvaka jAnane gayA isIlie parezAnI hai| aMdara AtmA 64

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ke bAre meM gaharAI meM utaranA thA, usake bajAya bAhara utare isalie utane hI phNse| phira AtmA meM nahIM raha paate| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hamArI samajha meM saMpUrNa rUpa se A gayA hai ki jagat kyA hai lekina vistAra se pUrI taraha se nahIM jAna pAe haiN|' samajhane meM samaya nahIM lagatA lekina DiTela meM jAnane meM jyAdA samaya lagatA hai| sUjha arthAt drshn| jJAnI meM behisAba sUjha hotI hai| sAmAnya logoM meM bUMda-bUMda hotI hai| tIrthaMkaroM kI kitanI suMdara sUkSma khoja hai! darzana aura jJAna kA kitanA sUkSma vivaraNa diyA hai| __ [4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka dekhanA aura jAnanA, kyA AtmA ke karma haiM? nhiiN| vaha AtmA kA mUla svabhAva hai| svabhAva se bAhara nikalanA, vahI karma hai| svabhAva ke viruddha karanA, vahI karma hai| AtmA svabhAva meM rahe to usakA phala kyA hai? prmaanNd| jJAna kriyA aura darzana kriyA donoM AtmA kI kriyAe~ haiN| jJAna upayoga aura darzana upyog| yaha jo kriyAvAlA pudgala hai, vaha khuda kI kriyA meM pariNamana karatA hai| ina sabhI kriyAoM ko dekhanevAlA yaha, jJAna upayoga hai| jJAnakriyA se mokSa hai aura ajJAna kriyA se bNdhn| vyavasthita karatA hai aura use khuda jAnatA hai, vaha jJAnakriyA hai| 'jJAna kriyAbhyAma mokSa' AtmA meM rahakara karmoM kA nikAla karanA, sacamuca meM vahI jJAnakriyA hai| bAkI to sabhI ajJAna kriyAe~ haiN| jJAna hue binA jJAnakriyA kisa taraha se saMbhava hai? jJAna dhArA aura kriyA dhArA donoM alaga hI haiN| jJAna milane ke bAda mahAtmAoM meM darzana khula gayA isalie dRSTA pada rahatA hai| usake bAda jitanA anubhava hotA hai utanA jJAtA rahA jA sakatA hai, aura dAdAzrI niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA raha pAte the| 65

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kisI ne gAlI dI aura hila gae aura phira jJAna hAz2ira hone para judA ho jAtA hai| isa prakAra phira vApasa aura jyAdA se jyAdA rahane lagatA hai, usase vaha jJAtApada meM AtA hai| jaise-jaise hisAba cukate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise jJAna bar3hatA jAtA hai| jJAna-darzana sAtha meM ho taba cAritra meM AtA hai| usase pahale adITha tapa hotA hai| samasaraNa mArga meM na to duniyA kA, na hI apanA aMta AtA hai| aMta to AtA hai mArga kA! dekhanevAlA 'mukta ho jAtA hai| calanevAlA baMdhana meM hai|' calanevAle ko dekhatA' rahe, to vaha mukti hai| donoM aba judA ho ge| pahale eka hI the| jJAtA-dRSTA kA matalaba kyA hai? jJAna milane ke bAda jJAtA-dRSTApana mana yA buddhi ke AdhAra para nahIM rahatA, vaha prajJAzakti ke AdhAra para hai| aMdara phAila naM-1 kyA kara rahI hai, mana kyA kara rahA hai, buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra sabhI kyA kara rahe haiM, use dekhanA aura jAnanA, vaha jJAtAdRSTApana hai| mana kI sabhI avasthAoM ko buddhi nahIM jAna sktii| rAga-dveSa rahita jJAna ko atIndriya jJAna kahA jAtA hai| samyaka darzana aura samyaka jJAna se jo dekhA va jAnA use jJAtA-dRSTA kahA jAtA hai| anya sArA kAlpanika, indriya jJAna kahalAtA hai| caMdUbhAI banakara aMdara dekhanA, vaha indriya jJAna hai aura zuddhAtmA banakara caMdUbhAI ko dekhanA, vaha AtmA kA jJAna hai| A~kha se dekhanA, kAna se sunanA aura nAka se sUMghanA, vaha sArA indriya jJAna hai| use buddhi jAnatI hai| vaha saba ajJAna kahalAtA hai| buddhi arthAt ajnyaa| ajJA ko bhI jo jAnatI hai, vaha prajJA hai| jo ki mUla AtmA kI zakti hai, riprejenTeTiva hai| karanevAlA ahaMkAra hai aura jAnanevAlI prajJA hai| karanevAlA karatA hI rahatA hai, use 'jAnate' hI rahanA hai|

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sAkSI bhAva aura dRSTA bhAva meM kyA pharka hai? sAkSI ahaMkAra hai aura dRSTA AtmA hai| ahaMkAra khatma ho jAne ke bAda, dRSTA / taba taka sAkSI hI rahatA hai| jitanA moha kama hotA jAtA hai utanA hI adhika sAkSI rahA jA sakatA hai| moha kA nazA sAkSI kisa taraha se rahane degA? aura jJAtA -dRSTA to niraMtara rahatA hai| vaha AtmA kI jAgRti hai aura sAkSI bhAva se rahanA, vaha eka prakAra kI ahaMkAra kI jAgRti hai / 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', jaba taka aisI roMga bilIpha hai taba taka 'maiM jJAtA hU~' aura 'maiM hI kartA hU~' aisA rahatA hai| jaba jJAnI -kRpA se nija svarUpa kA bhAna ho jAtA hai, taba maiM caMdUbhAI nahIM lekina 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA jJAna ho jAtA hai, bhAna ho jAtA hai aura jo caMdUbhAI pahale jJAtA the, ve aba jJeya bana jAte haiM aura mUla jJAtA jo ki zuddhAtmA haiM, ve siMhAsana para A jAte haiN| do taraha ke jJeya haiM, eka avasthA svarUpa se hai aura dUsarA jJeya tatva svarUpa se hai| jo jJeya avasthA svarUpa se haiM, ve sabhI vinAzI hote haiM aura jo jJeya tatva svarUpa se hote haiM, ve avinAzI hote haiM / jJAtA bhAva jaba jJeya-bhAva se dikhAI detA hai, taba sva svabhAva meM AtA hai| jJeya meM jo mamatvapanA thA vaha aba chUTa gayA, aba pudgala ko dekhatA rahe to Atma puSTi hogI aura usase pudgala zuddha hogA / ve pudgala phira vApasa nahIM aaeNge| jaba AtmA tatvarUpa se dikhAI degA, taba sabhI tatva dikhAI deNge| vAstavika jJeya tatva svarUpa se hai aura kevalajJAna ke mAdhyama se hI jJeya tatva svarUpa se dikhAI dete haiM / jJAtApada hamezA nahIM rahe to vaha aMza jJAnIpada hai aura hamezA jJAtApada rahe to sarvAMza ho jAtA hai / aMza meM se sarvAMza jJAnI apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai| mahAtmAoM kA DiscArja kaisA hotA hai? khuda DiscArja baiTariyoM ko 'dekhatA hai', isalie ve saMkucita hotI jAtI haiN| eka ratala ke DiscArja kA 67

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bojha eka pAva kA bana jAtA hai, aura agara na dekhe aura kartA bane to DiscArja bojha pA~ca gunA ho jAtA hai / DiscArja karma arthAt dhone ke kapar3e yadi dhoe bagaira raha jAe~ge to phira se dhone par3eMge, usake jaisA hai ! bhArI phorsavAle karma hoM to zAyada jJAtAdRSTA na bhI raha sake, lekina agara puruSArtha ho to raha sakatA hai| eka bAra gira jAe to phira se khar3A ho jAtA hai aura phira se gira jAe to phira se khar3A ho jAtA hai! lekina puruSArtha DhIlA chor3a detA hai| dAdAzrI khuda kI jAgRti ke bAre meM batAte hue kahate haiM, 'eka minaTa ke lie bhI hama kabhI eka varka meM nahIM rahate haiM, hara samaya hamAre do varka rahate haiM! sirpha yaha vidhi, taba kucha samaya ke lie hI eka varka meM rahatA huuN|' do varka kauna se? 'bAhara nahalAte haiM taba maiM apane dhyAna meM rahatA hU~ isalie jJAtA-dRSTApana rahatA hai aura jo nahalAtA hai, unake sAtha bAteM kara rahA hotA hU~, arthAt hamAre to hara samaya do kArya rahate haiM ! kisI ko aisA patA nahIM calatA ki ye dUsare kAma meM haiM / ' dAdA kahate haiM ki, 'vidhi ke samaya hama jJAtA - dRSTA nahIM rhte| usa ghar3I ekz2ekTa jJAnIpuruSa ke rUpa meM hote haiM, nahIM to ApakA kAma phalegA nahIM na!' vidhi ke samaya khuda jJAnIpuruSa kI taraha hI rahate haiM, e. ema. paTela kI taraha nahIM aura dAdA bhagavAna to apanI jagaha para hI baiThe hue hote haiM / usa tarapha kI hamArI dRSTi baMda ho jAtI hai| hamArI dRSTi usa samaya sImaMdhara svAmI meM rahatI hai, dUsarI jagaha arthAt vidhi karane meM rahatI hai| avasthA meM avasthita to asvastha aura 'sva' meM sthita to svastha ! avasthA vinAzI hai, vaha asvastha banAtI hai aura sva avinAzI hai, isalie svastha rakhatA hai| svastha yA asvastha, zuddhAtmA donoM ko jAnanevAlA hai| asvastha, phAila naM -1 hai, use ' dekhate' rho| ataH AvaraNa jitanA adhika hogA asvasthatA kA samaya utanA hI bar3ha jAtA hai| dRSTA aura dRzya donoM alaga hI rahane cAhie, vaha kahalAtI hai 68

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jAgRti ! kyA hai', use dekhatA hai aura kyA ho rahA hai', use dekhatA hai| 'kyA hai' meM sabhI meM khuda kA svarUpa dikhAI detA hai aura apane Apa hI ho rahA hai, aisA dikhAI detA hai| to ho gayA kAma puuraa| karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai, mAtra dekhanA hai| jo-jo bhAva kie, nizcaya kie, una saba ko dekhate rahanA hai| apane meM bhAva karane kI sattA hai? nhiiN| yaha to pichale janma kI Diz2Aina bola rahI hai, usameM sattA kyA? ulTA aura sIdhA, donoM ko hI dekhate hI rahanA hai! isa ulajhana kA kAraNa kyA hai? ulajhana meM DAlanevAlA alaga hai, par3anevAlA alaga hai aura jAnanevAlA alaga hai| jAnanevAlA agara par3anevAlA na bane to nahIM bhugategA aura agara par3anevAlA bana jAe to bhugategA! jJAna milane ke bAda DiscArja ko phAsTa karane ke lie kyA kiyA jA sakatA hai? usake bAda to karanevAlA rahA hI nahIM na? ataH 'dekhate' raho aap| jo pUraNa kiyA huA hai, kar3ave-mIThe phala dekara usakA galana hogaa| dekhanevAlA kauna hai? zuddhAtmA jo ki caitanya piMDa hai| jJeya aura jJAtA ekAkAra na hoM, use jJAna kahate haiN| taba sabhI jJeya khuda ke jyoti svarUpa meM jhalakate haiN| ___ 'brahmAMDa ke aMdara aura brahmAMDa ke bAhara se dekhanA,' isakA kyA matalaba hai? jJeyoM meM tanmayAkAra ho gayA to brahmAMDa ke aMdara kahA jAegA aura jaba jJeyoM ko jJeya svarUpa se dekhe, taba brahmAMDa se bAhara khlaaegaa| mana ke vicAroM meM tanmayAkAra ho gayA to use brahmAMDa ke aMdara kahA jAtA hai aura judA rahakara unheM dekhe aura tanmayAkAra na ho to use brahmAMDa se bAhara kahA jaaegaa| jo khuda ke svarUpa meM hI rahA, use 'brahmAMDa se bAhara' rahA kahA jaaegaa| mahAtmA ko kaI bAra aisA AbhAsa hotA hai ki jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva calA gayA hai, lekina aisA nahIM hotaa| agara DojiMga ho jAe to kyA usase lAiTa 69

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thor3e hI calI jAtI hai? vyavahAra sArA jJeya svarUpa se hai aura nizcaya jJAyaka svarUpa se hai| jJeya-jJAtA kA saMbaMdha hai yaha ! jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva meM raheM, taba khUba ThaMDaka lagatI hai| usameM to kevalajJAna ke naz2adIka kI ThaMDaka lagatI hai| maiM kevalajJAna svarUpa hU~' aisA bhI kitane hI mahAtmAoM ko rahatA hai! yaha to ovara DrAphTa kI vajaha se AyA hai| jo saMpUrNa jJAtA-dRSTA raheM, ve kevalajJAnI, lekina vaha dhIre-dhIre prApta hotA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAe to 'vyavasthita' suMdara rUpa se calA letA hai| kyA zuddhAtmA ko prakRti kI madada kI z2arUrata par3atI hai? nhiiN| AtmA paramAtmA hI hai| saMpUrNa svataMtra hai, nirAlaMba hai ! anaMta zakti, anaMta jJAnavAlA hai| vaha jJAna svarUpa hai, vijJAna svarUpa hai| use kisI kI kyA z2arUrata? kyA AtmA kA jAnapanA prakRti ke mAdhyama se hai? nhiiN| AtmA khuda svabhAva se hI jAnapanevAlA hai| prakRti meM jo jAnapanA AtA hai, vaha AtmA meM se Aropita huA hai| buddhi, vaha bhI khuda kA AropaNa hai| AtmA ke alAvA kisI meM bhI jAnapanA hai hI nhiiN| aba nayA AropaNa karanA hI nahIM hai| jJAtA-dRSTA arthAt kaisA rahatA hai? hama darpaNa ke sAmane khar3e raheM to hama usameM dikhAI dete haiM na? kyA usameM darpaNa ko kucha karanA par3atA hai? usake svabhAva se hI, jo kucha bhI usake sAmane AtA hai vaha usameM jhalakatA hI hai| usI prakAra AtmA meM sabhI kucha jhalakatA hai| aMtima jJAtA-dRSTA isa taraha se hai! jitane samaya taka jJAtA-dRSTA rahe, utane hI viitraag| jo saMpUrNa jJAtAdRSTA haiM, ve saMpUrNa viitraag| jitanA zuddha upayoga, utanA hI jJAtA-dRSTApana adhik| vinAzI jagat ke sAtha AtmA kA kyA saMbaMdha hai? jo sinemA ke parade ke sAtha prekSaka kA hotA hai vaisA, dekhanevAle kA saMbaMdha sirpha dekhane kA hI 70

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hai| sinemA cale tabhI dekhanevAle kI qImata hai aura agara sinemA baMda ho to? caraNavidhi karate samaya aMdara liMka TUTa jAtI hai, phira U~cI AvAz2a meM bolane para vApasa zurU ho jAtI hai| aMdara AtmA ko to yaha bhI patA calatA hai ki liMka TUTa gaI aura cala rahI hai, vaha bhI patA calatA hai! philma hI hai| jJAna kaccA par3a jAe to use kauna jAnatA hai? vahI mUla AtmA hai| ataH jJAtA-dRSTA pada kA anubhava niraMtara hotA hI hai| yaha akrama vijJAna hai hI aisA ki jahA~ para vibhAva utpanna hI nahIM hotA! kucha bhI sparza nahIM karatA aura bAdhA bhI nahIM ddaaltaa| pudgala kA z2ora kitanA rahA aba? vaha sArA TemparerI hai aura hama paramAnenTa haiM! jo sva ko sva jAne, vaha mukta hai aura jo anya ko anya jAne va sva ko sva jAne, vaha mahAmukta! jaba anya ko anya jAne, usa samaya agara mana-vacana-kAyA kA yoga kaMpAyamAna nahIM hotA to vaha sva ko sva jAnatA hai aura agara kaMpAyamAna ho jAe to sva ko sva jAnA hai, aisA nahIM kahA jA sktaa| jJAtA-jJeya donoM eka ho hI nahIM sakate, donoM alaga hI haiN| jJeya ke AdhAra para jJAtA hai| mana philma batAtA hai aura hama usake jnyaataa| philma khatma ho jAe, to phula gavarnamenTa! jo khuda khuda kA jAnakAra rahe, use dUsare jAnakAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jJAtA aura jJAyaka meM kyA pharka hai? jaba mAtra jAnane kA hI kArya kare, taba jJAyaka kahalAtA hai| jaba sattA meM rahe, taba jnyaayk| jJAyaka bhAva meM AnA, vahI upayoga hai| anya kucha nhiiN| mahAtmAoM ko dAdAzrI ne jJAyaka bhAva meM rakha diyA hai| jitane samaya taka jJAyaka bhAva meM AyA utane samaya taka kevalajJAna ke aMza prApta hote haiN| usase Adhi, vyAdhi aura upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAlA duHkha) meM bhI samAdhi rahatI hai| 71

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'maiM karatA hU~ aura maiM jAnatA hU~' usakA jo mikscara hai, use jJeya kahate haiM aura 'maiM jAnatA hU~, maiM karatA nahIM hU~' vaha hai jJAyaka bhAva! jJAyaka bhAva ko acchA-burA, koI dvaMdva hai hI nhiiN| ve mAtra jJeya aura dRzya hI haiM usake lie| jJAyaka meM hiMsA bhI nahIM hai aura ahiMsA bhI nahIM hai, lekina phAila naM-1 se pratikramaNa karavAnA hai| isase paramANu ho jAte haiM zuddha! jJAyaka bhAva arthAt aMtima bhAva! phira deha cAhe kucha bhI kara rahI ho to bhI use koI doSa sparza nahIM krtaa| jaba sUkSma se sUkSma doSa bhI dikhAI deM, taba jJAyaka bhAva kahalAtA hai| jJAyaka ko smRti kA saMga nahIM hai, use kisI AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jJAyaka arthAt darpaNa jaisaa| aMdara pUrA jagat dikhAI detA hai, sahaja rUpa se| jJAyaka se Age kyA hai? usake bAda koI zabda hai hI nhiiN| yaha to jaba taka vyavahAra meM hai, tabhI taka yaha bhAga hai| usake bAda to khuda hI rahA! jahA~ jJAyakapanA hai vahA~ para rAga-dveSa nahIM hai, vItarAgatA hai| jJAyaka ko saMsAra dikhAI hI nahIM detaa| saMsAra to, jaba taka dehAdhyAsa hai tabhI taka hai| dAdAzrI ko pUrA brahmAMDa samajha meM A gayA thA lekina jJAna meM nahIM AyA thaa| jJAna meM A jAe to sabakucha dikhAI detA hai! jisakA jJAyaka svabhAva nahIM chUTe, vaha paramAtmA hai| vahA~ para paramAnaMda hai [5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva sAhajikatA kyA hai? mana-vacana-kAyA kI kriyAoM meM dakhalaMdAjI nahIM krnaa| 'maiM kauna hU~' vaha samajha meM A jAe, taba sahaja ho jAtA hai| AtmajJAna ke bAda vyavahAra kaisA rahatA hai? sahaja vyavahAra calatA rahatA hai| kartApanA chUTa jAe to phira vyavahAra udaya svarUpa rahA! 14

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dehAdhyAsa chUTe to vyavahAra AtmA kI DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) baMda ho jAtI hai, ahaMkAra, mamatA cale jAte haiM, isIlie to! phira deha, deha ke svabhAva meM aura AtmA AtmA ke svabhAva meM rahatA hai, usI ko sahajatA kahate haiN| parama pUjya dAdAzrI DakhoDakhala karate the lekina vaha to hamArI DakhoDakhala nikAlane ke lie! ha~sate ha~sAte hamArI DakhoDakhala baMda kara dete the! jJAna milane ke bAda AsAnI se niraMtara AtmA kA lakSa (jAgRti)rahatA hai| use sahaja AtmA honA kahate haiN| usake bAda jaise-jaise dAdA kI AjJA meM raheM, vaise-vaise mana-vacana-kAyA sahaja hote jAte haiN| ___ahaMkAra gairahAz2ira to sahajabhAva haaj'ir| yaha saba bigAr3anevAlA ahaMkAra hI hai| mUla AtmA to sahaja hai hI, lekina yaha vyavahAra AtmA sabakucha bigAr3a detA hai| vaha agara sahaja ho jAe to deha to sahaja hai hii| sahaja bhAva se agara dhaula lagAI jAe to bhI sAmanevAle ko duHkha nahIM hotA! jJAnI ke alAvA aisA kauna kara sakatA hai? akrama mArga sahajatA kA mArga hai, isalie isameM 'no laoN laoN' hai, jo sahajatA kI tarapha le jAtA hai| agara laoN ho to sahajatA kaise A pAegI? aMtima sthiti kauna sI hai? AtmA sahaja sthiti meM aura deha bhI sahaja sthiti meN| dAdAzrI kI AjJA meM jitanA rahA jA sake utanA hI samAdhi meM rahA jA sakatA hai! hara roz2a subaha dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJA meM hI rahane kI hI zaktiyA~ mA~ganI haiN| 'DakhoDakhala nahIM karU~ aisI zaktiyA~ dIjie,' aisA bolane se kAphI asara hotA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, sAmAnya taura para 'akrama vijJAna meM caudaha sAla kA 13

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korsa hai|' agara koI bahuta hI kaccA ho to z2yAdA samaya lagatA hai aura bahuta pakkA ho to use gyAraha sAla meM hI ho jAtA hai! caudaha sAla meM sahaja ho jAtA hai! kisI ko TokanA hI nahIM cAhie aura agara Toka leM aura vaha na sune to hameM apanI bAta vApasa le lenI caahie| bharA huA mAla nikale aura use hama dekhate raheM, to sahaja huA jA sakatA hai| __ AtmA svayaM mokSa svarUpa hai lekina ye pUrvajanma kI paccareM DakhoDakhala karatI haiN| aba una aMtarAyoM ko 'dekhate' rahane se ve jaaeNge| pudgala to niyama meM hI hai| usameM DakhoDakhala na kI jAe na, to vaha zuddha hI hotA rhegaa| lekina yaha DakhoDakhala kauna karatA hai? ajJAna maanytaaeN| aura phira vAMdhA aura vacakA (Apatti uThAte haiM aura burA laga jAtA hai)| apanI deha ko koI kucha bhI kare lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM honA caahie| koI jeba kATa le yA deha ko kisI bhI taraha se parezAna kare, lekina agara use svIkAra kara liyA jAe to vaha dehAdhyAsa hai| 'mujhe aisA kyoM kiyA' to vaha dehAdhyAsa hai aura agara inakA asara nahIM ho to dehAdhyAsa gayA! apanI deha ko koI kucha bhI kare, taba bhI hameM rAga-dveSa na ho, usI ko sahaja kahate haiN| ___mahAtmA aise sahaja kaba ho pAe~ge? jJAna milA hai, isIlie vaha pariNAmita hone para karma kama hote jAe~ge, to sahaja hotA jaaegaa| pahale eka-eka aMza karake sahaja hotA jAtA hai aura aMta meM saMpUrNa sahaja ho jAtA hai| jitane aMzoM taka sahaja, utane aMzoM taka kI samAdhi! cAra Diza AisakrIma khilAe, vaha dakhalaMdAz2I hai aura 'khAne jaisA nahIM hai, galA bigar3a jAegA' to vaha bhI dakhalaMdAjI! dakhalaMdAjI na kare to apane Apa hI saMtulana rahegA! / dakhala ko nikAlanA nahIM hai, usase alaga rahanA hai! aMdara prajJA dakhala ko cetAvanI detI hai, isake bAvajUda bhI agara vaha karatA rahatA hai, aura bhagavAna to udAsIna! vItarAga! 74

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'dakhala nahIM karanI hai,' aisA nizcaya karanA bhI dakhala hai| isa prakAra se dakhala dakhala ko nikAlatI hai| agara cAra Diza AIskrIma Thoka jAe to prajJA use cetAvanI detI hai lekina phira bhI vaha khA hI jAtA hai| vaha kauna khilAtA hai? vaha cAritra moha hai| cAritra moha ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahane se vaha vilaya ho jAtA hai| jAgRti nahIM rahI, nizcaya nahIM kiyA to cAritra moha bar3ha jAtA hai ! jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) baMda ho jAtI hai! mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra sabhI dakhalavAle haiN| prajJA cetAvanI detI hai lekina agara usakA nahIM mAne to phira vaha baMda ho jAtI hai| usake prati sinsiyara rahe to vaha sabhI prakAra se sAvadhAna karatI hai| 'hameM' dakhala karane kI Adata hai, usameM 'hama' kauna haiM? 'hama' do prakAra se rahe hue haiN| nizcaya se AtmA kI tarapha haiN| jitanA 'dekhA' utanA chUTa gayA aura jitanA nahIM dekhA' to utanA vyavahAra se rhaa| jalebI sAmane Ae to vaha chUTane ke lie hI AI hai lekina 'mujhe bahuta bhAtI hai' aisA kahA ki kara dI dakhala? ataH isameM 'hama' arthAt kauna? ahNkaar| deha aura AtmA kI ekatA kisane mAnI hai? ahaMkAra ne| jJAna milane ke bAda cArja karanevAlA ahaMkAra phrekcara ho jAtA hai| usake bAda DiscArja ahaMkAra rahatA hai, phira iTa hepansa kahalAtA hai| jaba taka cArja ahaMkAra hai, taba taka aisA nahIM kahA jA sakatA kyoMki ahaMkAra na jAne kyA pAgalapana kare? DiscArja ahaMkAra ke bhI khatma ho jAne ke bAda sabakucha sahaja rUpa se hotA hai, jaise bhUkha kaise sahaja rUpa se lagatI hai! vyavahAra kA asara ho jAe lekina vaha pakar3e nahIM, taba vaha zuddha kahalAtA hai| 'zuddha arthAt sahaja!' 75

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AtmajJAna ho jAne para phira chakatA nahIM hai, kepha nahIM car3hatA! iphekTa meM kisI bhI taraha kI dakhala nahIM kI jAe, usI ko sahaja kahate haiN| dakhala karanA bhrAMti hai| kartA puruSa karatA hai, jJAtA puruSa use niraMtara jAnatA hai| Amane-sAmane kisI kI kisI meM dakhalaMdAjI nahIM ho, usI ko kahate haiM vyavahAra meM sahajAtma svruup| zarIra kA svabhAva hai vicalita honA, bhAga-daur3a krnaa| vaha usakA sahaja pariNAma hai, jJAnI ko bhI deha kA asara hotA hai| ajJAnI ko ahaMkAra ke mAre aisA nahIM hotaa| bhagavAna mahAvIra ke kAna meM gvAle ne barU Thoka die the, usa samaya unakI A~khoM meM karuNA ke A~sU the aura nikAlate samaya vedanA ke A~sU the aura bahuta tez2a cIkha bhI nikala par3I thI! ise kahate haiM saahjik| ahaMkArI ahaMkAra se sthira rahatA hai| niraahaMkArI sahaja rahatA hai| ajJAna dazA meM mana ke kahe anusAra calate haiM, use bhI sAhajika kahA jAtA hai| socanA yA mehanata karanA, kucha bhI nhiiN| jaise gAr3I lur3hake vaise lur3hakane detA hai| sAhajika meM puruSArtha nahIM rahatA, laTU jaisA hI rahatA hai| jabaki jJAna hone ke bAda, sAhajika ko paramAtmA kahate haiN| bhrAMti jAe, taba se sahaja hone lagatA hai| usake bAda karmabaMdhana nahIM hotaa| phira kAraNa kArya rahA hI nhiiN| mahAtmA kaoNz2eja meM sahaja aura iphekTa meM asahaja haiN| loga kaoNz2eja meM asahaja hote haiN| kaoNz2eja meM asahaja rahane se karma cArja hote haiM! jo sahaja samAdhi meM rahe, vaha bhagavAna kahalAtA hai| roMga bilIpha se asahaja ho gayA hai yaha ! kucha bhI karane se sahaja avasthA prApta nahIM ho sktii| vaha to jJAnIpuruSa kI kRpA se hotA hai| 'sahaja' aura 'karanA' ina donoM meM baira hai| nahIM? _ 'jaldI uThanA hai' aisA sinsiyara nizcaya rakhanA, usake bAda jo huA vahI shii| 76

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mokSa meM z2ora z2abaradastI nahIM karanI hai, sahaja hai| sahaja kaise hote haiM? subaha cAya de to pI lete haiM aura nahIM de to koI bAta nhiiN| bhojana rakha jAe to khA lete haiM varnA mA~gakara nahIM khaate| eka mahIne ke lie sahaja yoga karake dekhane jaisA hai z2arUra! mana, buddhi aura ahaMkAra sabhI aMdara zora macAe~, usa samaya alaga rahakara unheM dekhe aura jAne aura bAhara sahaja prApta sNyog| jaba khAnA de to ThIka aura nahIM de, taba bhI sahaja! aisA sahaja yoga kisI-kisI meM hI hotA hai| araboM meM ekAdha ko! ataH apane akrama meM to yaha saba jhaMjhaTa hI khatma kara diyA hai| sahajarUpa se jo milA, vahI shii| eka kA Adara nahIM aura dUsare kA anAdara bhI nhiiN| prApta ko bhogo| sahaja kI prApti prArabdha ke adhIna nahIM hai, vaha jJAna ke adhIna hai| kyA prayatna karane se milanevAlI citta prasannatA sAhajika kahalAtI hai? prayatna arthAt rileTiva, ataH vaha asahaja hI hotI hai| riyala sahaja hotA hai| prayatna to sahaja prayatna hI hone caahie| sahaja zakti nirvikalpa hotI hai| prayAsa kI z2arUrata hai lekina bIca meM karanevAlA nahIM honA caahie| agara aisA kaheMge ki prayAsa kI z2arUrata nahIM hai to loga kucha kareMge hI nahIM aura ulTe rAste cleNge| mana-vacana-kAyA kI kriyAoM meM koI badalAva nahIM AtA, mAtra kartApana kI dakhalaMdAjI hai| karanevAlA sirpha ahaMkAra hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~' kI mAnyatA se vaha agale janma kI z2immedArI letA hai| cAya yAda Ae, khAnA yAda Ae to aisA kahA jAegA ki sahajatA TUTa gaI hai| ataH AhArI ko sahaja banAnA hai| jahA~ para krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha khatma ho jAte haiM, vahA~ para sahajatA utpanna ho hI jAtI hai! dAdAzrI ke pAsa isIlie par3e rahanA hai na! tAki pUre dina unakI sahajatA dekhane ko milatI rhe| dAdA kI kaisI nirmala sahajatA hai! unakI 77

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ahaMkAra rahita adbhuta dazA! buddhi rahita abuddha dazA hai unakI! vaha saba dekhane ko milatA hai| dAdAzrI kA phoTo khIMcane ke lie phoTogrApharoM meM hor3a macatI thii| bilkula sahaja dazA! aura dUsaroM ko to usa ghar3I aMdara aisA hae binA rahatA hI nahIM hai na ki 'merA phoTo le rahe haiM?' ataH ve asahaja hue bagaira rahate hI nhiiN| ataH unakA phoTo bigar3a jAtA hai| jaba taka dAdAzrI sAhajikatA meM rahate haiM, taba taka unheM pratikramaNa nahIM karane hote| dAdAzrI hameM sikhAte haiM ki 'sahaja honA hai', aisA bhAva rakhanA hai| hameM dhyeya kaisA rakhanA hai ki dAdA kI sevA karanI hai, aisA sahaja bhAva rakhanA hai| usake bAda usa samaya jo hotA hai use dekhanA hai| dAdAzrI kI sevA milanA to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai na! bahuta bar3A puNya ho to milatI hai! dAdA ko to yoM chU bhI nahIM sakate na! eka bAra bhI hAtha se chU liyA to bahuta bar3A puNya khlaaegaa| sahaja ho jAe to aMdara pUrNa vijJAna anAvRta ho jaaegaa| jaba saMpUrNa vyavasthita samajha meM A jAe, taba saMpUrNa sahaja ho jAtA hai| aba kisI bhI cIz2a kA iMtaz2Ara nahIM karanA hai| usakA to aMta hI nahIM aaegaa| jitanA vyavasthita samajha meM AtA jAtA hai, utanA kevalajJAna anAvRta hotA jAtA hai| utanA hI sahaja hotA jAtA hai| vANI kaba sahaja hotI hai? jaba aisA lage ki 'yaha TeparikaoNrDara bola rahA hai' tb| jaba vANI mAlikI rahita ho jAe taba vaha sahaja ho jAtI hai| mana-vANI aura vartana sabhI kI sahajatA A jAtI hai| sahajAtma svarUpa, vaha aMtima pada hai| sahajAnaMda arthAt prayatna rahita AnaMda! agara eka minaTa ke lie bhI sahaja ho gayA to vaha bhagavAna pada meM A gyaa| isa akrama vijJAna se mahAtmA sahaja ho gae haiN| dAdA bhagavAna kauna? isa brahmAMDa ke UparI / isakA kyA kAraNa hai ki 78

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ve deha ke mAlika nahIM haiM, vANI ke aura mana ke mAlika nahIM haiN| isa deha kA mAlika kauna hai? pablika TrasTa! dAdAzrI jaba bhI amarIkA meM, bhArata meM, deza-videza meM jAte the, taba ve poTalI kI taraha jAte the| "vicare udaya prayoga! apUrva vANI paramazruta!" usa taraha se| jitanA sahaja ho jAe, utanA hI Atma aizvarya prakaTa hotA hai| kriyA se nahIM lekina usa samaya aMdara jo caMcalatA utpanna ho jAtI hai, usase sahajatA TUTa jAtI hai aura usI se karma baMdhana hotA hai| caMcalatA zubha bhAva meM ho to zubha karma baMdhate haiM aura azubha bhAva meM ho taba azubha karma baMdhate haiN| jaldI se aMtima dazA meM pahu~cane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? vyavahAra pUrA hI chUTa jAe taba kAma hogaa| vyavahAra tujha se nahIM cipaTA hai, tU vyavahAra se cipaTA hai! jise jaldabAz2I ho use aparigrahI bana jAnA caahie| Avazyaka vyavahAra ko zuddha vyavahAra kahA gayA hai| khAnA, pInA, sonA vagairaha Avazyaka hai| naukarI-dhaMdhA Avazyaka vyavahAra nahIM hai| pUre dina zuddha upayoga meM rahe na, to phira koI jhaMjhaTa hI nhiiN| jaMjAla kitanA honA cAhie? jise Avazyaka kahA gayA hai utanA hii| jisake bagaira na cale, utanA hii| khAnA, pInA, sonA sabhI kucha sahaja honA cAhie phir| soca-samajhakara kiyA huA nahIM honA cAhie vh| vaha aMtima dazA! jitanI anAvazyaka cIjeM, parezAnI utane hI jyAdA! bAgabagIce banAte haiM, pUre dina khodate rahate haiN| aMtima dazA meM kaisA rahatA hai? thAlI aura loTe kI z2arUrata nahIM rhtii| saMDAsa bAtharUma bhI gAya-bhaiMsa kI taraha ! zAdI ke maMDapa meM bhI kyA unheM zarama AtI hai? unameM to kapar3e bhI nahIM hote haiM! sahajatA meM viveka nahIM hotaa| khAnA bhI nahIM mA~gate na? lekina niyama hai ki use samaya-samaya para cIjeM apane Apa hI mila jAtI hai| 79

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akrama mArga meM aisA kahA gayA hai ki phAiloM kA nikAla karo, jo bhI ho unakA lekina phAileM bar3hAne ko nahIM kahA hai| ataH aMdara se jAgRti aisI rahanI cAhie ki cIjeM use duHkhadAI lagatI rheN| akrama jJAnI to parigraha hone ke bAvajUda bhI saMpUrNa aparigrahI hote hai| vaha kisa prakAra se? AI vidAuTa mAi iz2a gaoNDa! sabhI mAi kI hI paccara hai na! saMkSepa meM, AtmA to sahaja hI hai, aba pudgala ko sahaja kara! kisa prakAra se? jo saMpUrNa sahaja haiM, aise jJAnI ko naz2adIka se dekhatA rh| unheM dekhate rahane se hI sahaja hote jAte haiN| isake lie kaoNleja nahIM hote| luTeroM ke bhI kaoNleja nahIM hote| vaha to agara ustAda ke pAsa cha: mahIne rahe na, to use dekha-dekhakara hI luTerA bana jAtA hai ! dAdAzrI ko jaba koI gAliyA~ de, usa samaya agara unakI sahajatA dekhane ko mila jAe to vaha zakti apane meM utpanna ho jAtI hai| akrama vijJAna, vaha pUrNa sahaja yoga hai, pUrNa vijJAna hai! aSTAMga yoga kI pUrNAhuti ho jAe, taba yaha pada prApta hotA hai! yaha apavAda mArga hai! jise yaha mila gayA, usakA kAma ho gayA! [6] eka hI pudgala ko dekhanA 'pudgala saMpUrNa saMsArI nAca kare aura AtmA use dekhe' tabhI pUrNAhuti kahalAtI hai| philma sahaja honI caahie| saMsArI ke lie saMsArI kI aura tyAgI ke lie tyAgI kI philma ho to calegA, lekina sahaja honI caahie| ___ 'yaha choDUM aura vaha choDUM,' are, chor3ane kI bhakti karanI hai yA bhagavAna kI? isa pudgala meM se bilkula bhI rasa nahIM lenA caahie| rasa (ruci) kaba nahIM liyA jAegA? khuda saMpUrNa svarUpa meM rahe tb|

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yA to vartamAna meM barate yA phira khuda ke pudgala ko dekhe, ye do cIjeM rakhanI hai| isa pudgala kI tarapha kI mitrAcArI kaba taka rakhanI hai? jo dagAkhora hoM, usake sAtha dhIre-dhIre mitrAcArI kama kara denI caahie| phAila naM-1 kyA kara rahI hai, kyA khAtI-pItI hai, vaha saba Apa sirpha jAnate ho lekina dekhate nahIM ho| pudgala ko niraMtara dekhate rahanA caahie| pahalA pharja hai dekhane kA aura phira jAnane kaa| jisa prakAra se phAila naM-1 darpaNa ko alaga dikhAI detI hai vaise hI 'hameM' bhI vaha alaga dikhAI denI caahie| isake lie arIsA (darpaNa) sAmAyika kI prekTisa karanI caahie| saba se aMtima jJAtA-dRSTA to... Apako phAila naM-1 aise Ate-jAte alaga dikhAI de| 'ohoho AieAie' aisA kre| dAdAzrI kI AjJA hai| sAmanevAle ko zuddha dekhoge to zuddha ho jAoge, mukta ho jaaoge| phAila naM-1 kA pudgala kyA rahA hai, mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra, ye sabhI kyA kara rahe haiM, use hameM niraMtara dekhate hI rahanA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra niraMtara eka pudgala ko hI dekhate the ki 'aMdara kyA-kyA parivartana ho rahA hai, kyA-kyA spaMdana ho rahe haiN|' are, A~kha kI palakeM hilatI thIM to use bhI bhagavAna dekhate rahate the! loga indriya dRSTi se dekhate haiM aura bhagavAna atIndriya dRSTi se dekhate the! mahAtmAoM se bhagavAna kI taraha eka pudgala ko dekhanA nahIM ho pAtA na? isalie dAdAzrI ne riyala-rileTiva, do dRSTiyoM se dekhane ko kahA hai| puNiyA zrAvaka kI sAmAyika hotI hai isa taraha se| jo hameM gAlI de, use bhI zuddhAtmA kI taraha dekho| bhagavAna mahAvIra to, jaba khaTamala kATeM to unheM bhI dekhate the| mahAvIra karavaTa badalate to unheM bhI dekhate the| zarIra kA svabhAva hai to aisA

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hotA thA lekina khuda sahaja hI rahate the| dIkSA lene ke bAda zuruAta meM bhagavAna mahAvIra kA samaya karma khapAne meM gayA aura phira dekhane' meM gyaa| eka pudgala ko dekhanA arthAt jo pUraNa-galana hotA hai, ver3hamI (gujarAtI pakavAna) khAI, to pUraNa aura phira usakA galana, una saba ko niraMtara dekhate rhnaa| sugaMdha-durgaMdha donoM ko dekhate rahanA, usameM acchA-burA nahIM krnaa| acchA-burA sApekSa dRSTi se hai, samAja meM hai, riyala meM nahIM hai| jaba pravRtti meM nivRtti rahe, taba nayA karma nahIM bNdhtaa| jaba pUraNa va galana donoM hI hoM, taba vaha moha hai aura jaba sirpha galana ho, taba vaha cAritramoha hai| samakita ke bAda sirpha galana rahatA hai, pUraNa nahIM hotaa| usake bAda hara eka ko khuda kA pUraNa kiyA huA pudgala khapAnA pdd'egaa| jaina ko jaina kA pudgala, vaiSNava ko vaiSNava kA pudgl| acchA-burA sabhI kucha pudgala kI bAz2I hai| logoM ne isakA bhrAMti se vibhAjana kara liyaa| aba dhyAna kisakA karanA hai? khuda ke eka pudgala ko hI dekhanA hai| AtmA ke alAvA apane aMdara bAkI kA sabhI kucha pudgala hai| usake bAda sabhI jJeya svarUpa se haiN| unameM koI vizeSa nahIM hai| sArA pudgala eka hai, usameM kahA~ hAtha DAlanA? anaMta prakAra kI avasthAe~ haiM lekina pudgala eka hI hai saaraa| bhagavAna mahAvIra ko prazna pUche jAte the aura ve usakA javAba dete the, vaha bhI pudgala hI detA thA aura ve khuda to usake dekhane-jAnanevAle hI rahate the! jJAnI ke khUba paricaya meM rahA jAe to sahajarUpa se hI vItarAga ho jAe~ge! jo eka pudgala kA svabhAva hai, vahI sarva pudgaloM kA svabhAva hai isalie bhagavAna mahAvIra mAtra eka hI pudgala ko hI dekhate the|

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rajakaNa ke riddhi vaimAnika devanI: sarva mAnyA pudgala eka svabhAva jo, apUrva avasara... - zrImad rAjacaMdra (dhUla ho yA vaimAnika deva kI siddhi, sabhI ko mAnA eka hI pudgala svabhAva kaa| apUrva avasara...) [7] dekhane-jAnanevAlA aura use jAnanevAlA AtmA kI anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM! sabhI tarapha kA dekha sakatA hai! yaha carma cakSu to sirpha Age kA hI dekha sakate haiM aura AtmA to dasoM dizAoM kA, sabhI kone dekha sakatA hai| mizracetana bhI dekha aura jAna sakate haiM aura mUla AtmA bhI dekha aura jAna sakatA hai, donoM meM pharka kyA hai? mizracetana vinAzI ko dekha sakatA hai aura mUla cetana vinAzI aura avinAzI donoM ko dekha aura jAna sakatA hai| jJAnI ko kyA sUrya-caMdra gire hue dikhAI dete hoMge? AtmA jo dekhatA hai vaha riyala dRSTi hai aura A~kheM jo dekhatI haiM vaha rileTiva dRSTi hai| riyala vastu riyala ko hI dekhatI hai| AtmA khuda ko jAnatA hai aura para ko bhI jAnatA hai! kaI bAra buddhi AtmA kA svAMga racakara jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAtI hai! vAstavika jJAtA-dRSTA to buddhi se pare hai| mahAtmA buddhi se pare cale gae haiM isIlie to hararoz2a khiMcakara satsaMga meM A sakate haiM! nahIM to buddhi roz2a satsaMga meM Ane hI na de| varnA, kAphI kucha jJAtA-dRSTApana buddhi kA hI hotA 'aisA lagatA hai' jaba aisA ho, taba dRSTA aura jaba jAnatA hai taba AtmA jJAtA ke rUpa meM hai! buddhi ko jo dekhatA hai, vaha 'hama' khuda hai| yaha buddhi kA jJAtA-dRSTApana hai yA AtmA kA, isakA DimArkezana kyA 83

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hai? buddhi kA to, yoM jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai, indriyoM se dikhAI detA hai vaha saba hai, jabaki AtmA kA jJAna-darzana to alaga hI hai| AtmA dravyoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, dravyoM ke paryAyoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, usake guNoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| buddhi mana ke kucha paryAyoM ko jAna sakatI hai va ahaMkAra ke paryAyoM ko jAna sakatI hai jabaki AtmA usase bhI Age kA dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| mahAtmAoM meM dravya kA dekhanA aura jAnanApana nahIM hotaa| unheM to rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM to kAphI hai| akrama jJAna prApti kI nishaanii| AtmA to sabhI chaH dravyoM ko aura unake paryAyoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai! yaha saba se aMtima bAta hai| mahAtmAoM meM jo dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, vaha buddhi hai lekina pahale buddhi ke sAtha ahaMkAra thA isalie rAga-dveSa hote the| aba ahaMkAra nahIM rahA isalie rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| yaha bhI bahuta bar3I bAta hai| lekina yaha rileTiva jJAna kahalAtA hai| vAstavika dekhanA va jAnanA to buddhi se pare hai| aba, jaba aisA jAne ki yaha buddhi kA jAnapanA para-pariNAma hai, taba vaha sva-pariNAma ko smjhegaa| sAmAyika meM dekhane para sabakucha dikhAI detA hai, lekina vApasa use bhI jo dekhe, arthAt jo dekhanevAle ko bhI dekhatA hai vaha aMtima dekhanevAlA hai| usake Upara koI nahIM hai| ataH sAmAyika meM jo dekhatA hai vaha buddhi va ahaMkAra arthAt ajJAzakti hai aura use dekhanevAlA AtmA arthAt prajJAzakti hai| dekhane kA kArya sahaja honA caahie| aba yaha jo jJAtA-dRSTA 'rahanA par3atA hai,' yAnI ki use bhI jAnanevAlA Upara koI hai| aba UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) ko dekhanA nahIM pdd'taa|' use 'sahaja rUpa se dikhatA hI rahatA hai|' yadi 'dekhanA par3atA hai' to vaha bIcavAlA upayoga hai aura use bhI jAnanevAlA TheTha aMtima dazA meM! jaise darpaNa meM hama saba dikhAI dete haiM na,

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usI prakAra se AtmA meM pUrA jagat jhalakatA (pratibimbita hotA) hai! vaha bIca kA upayoga prajJA kA hai| prajJA ke upayoga meM A jAe to Age anya kisI kI z2arUrata nahIM rhii| aMdara vicAra Ae, gussA Ae to usakA patA calatA hai na? vaha prajJA ko pahu~catA hai| vaha aMtarima jJAna hai, vaha mUla jJAna nahIM hai| mUla taka bAda meM phuNcegaa| mUla taka pahu~cane kA sAdhana kyA hai? dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJA! pahale indriya jJAna se dikhAI detA hai, phira buddhi se dikhAI detA hai, phira prajJA se dikhAI detA hai, aura aMta meM AtmA se dikhAI detA hai| kevalajJAna hone taka prajJA hI kAma karatI hai| phira vaha khatma! ina per3a-paudhoM ko dekhane aura jAnane kI pAvara cetana kI kriyA huI aura AtmA ke prakAza meM sabhI jJeya jhalakate haiM, to unameM kyA pharka hai? AtmA ke prakAza meM jJeya jhalakate haiM ataH vahA~ para phira dekhanA-jAnanA zabda hai hI nhiiN| 'kevalajJAna honA,' isakA artha kyA hai? tamAma bAdala haTa gae to phira pUrA dikhAI detA hai! AtmA sva ko jAnatA hai aura para ko bhI jAnatA hai! jAnanevAlA kauna hai? sva kauna hai? sabhI kucha jAnatA hai! 85

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anukramaNikA [1.1] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai? prakRti kA sUkSma sAinsa 1 prakRti kA kartA kauna? 'jJAna', svabhAva meM, vibhAva meM 3 pharka, prakRti aura kudarata meM 8 niber3e kI rIti anokhI 5 saMbaMdha, prakRti aura AtmA kA 9 prakRti jar3a hai yA cetana? [1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se kyA prakRti aura prANa sAtha... 10 prakRti ko nahIM badalanA hai.. 18 prakRti nacAe vaise nAcatA hai 11 puruSArtha kisa AdhAra para hotA hai? 19 prakRti barabasa karavAtI hai...... 13 kAraNa-kArya svarUpa prakRti kA 20 saMbaMdha, svasattA aura prAkRta sattA.. 15 isameM rAga-dveSa kise haiM? 21 chUTate samaya prakRti svataMtra 16 prakRti, ahaMkAra ke tAbe meM yA... 22 donoM barateM nija svabhAva meM 17 prakRti, jaise sulagAyA huA bArUda 23 prakRti kI svataMtratA aura parataMtratA 17 [1.3] prakRti jaise banI hai usI anusAra khulatI hai Asakti hai prakRti ko 25 jAgRti lAtI hai prakRti ko... 28 khape prakRti kisase? 26 prakRti ke sAmane jAgRti 30 nahIM badalatI prakRti kI sTAila 27 [1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho isameM doSita kauna? 33 prakRti ko aise mor3ate haiM... 37 prakRti kisa taraha badalI jA... 33 zuddhAtmA dekhane se bAgha bhI... 39 hotA hai, prakRti ke anusAra 34 jJAnI kI dRSTi kI nirdoSatA 41 jitane vikalpa utane hI stara... 35 doSita jAno lekina mAno mata 43 bipharI huI prakRti ke sahaja... 36 pakar3A gayA asala gunahagAra 44 Akhira to donoM hI haiM vItarAga 36 [1.5 ] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva eka hI vAkya se mokSamArga 46 mAlikIpane ke binA sahajatA se... 52 isase janma lete haiM prAkRta guNa 47 prakRti zreSTha ilAja karatI hai deha.. 55 prAkRta guNoM kI mUla utpatti 50 karma upadravI aura prakRti... 57 prakRti kI pUrI-pUrI pahacAna 51 / / 86

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_[1.6 ] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? kAbU karanA gunAha hai 59 DikaMTrolDa prakRti ke sAmane.... 72 anaTAimalI bama para kaMTrola? 60 prakRti kA kara tU samabhAva se... 72 jJAna kA pariNAma isa janma meM... 62 jJAna se prakRti ekadama DhIlI 73 nigraha kim kariSyati? 63 sajIva aura nirjIva prakRti 74 prakRti kI AdateM nahIM chUTatI... 64 svabhAva prakRti kA aura kartApana...75 vyasanI prakRti ke sAmane... 65 dikhAI de to hama baoNsa aura na... 77 dRr3ha bhAvanA sudhAre naI prakRti 66 Ter3hI prakRti ko bhI jAna 80 isa janma meM hI svabhAva badala... 68 vahI hai rokanevAlA bar3A kacarA 81 badale prakRti jJAna se 70 hotI hai prakRti vilaya... prakRti ko dekheM kisa taraha? 71 [ 1.7 ] prakRti ko aise karo sApha.... prakRti likhe aura puruSa miTAe 83 doSa dikhAI de vahA~ para honA... 91 bipharI prakRti ke sAmane 85 jJAna yA jJAnI, kauna nikAlatA... 92 jo prakRti ke sAmane jAgRta,vaha... 85 pudgalamaya meM svabhAva aura... 94 prAkRtika gA~ThoM ko roke jJAna.... 86 prakRti batAe aMta meM bhagavat... 95 dabAva se nahIM, samajha se baMda 87 aMta meM prakRti bhI bana jAe... 98 DiscArja prakRti meM na lo... 87 sahajatA meM pahalA kauna? 100 prakRti ko karo mApha 89 dakhalaMdAz2I se asahajatA 101 [1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA AjJA aura satsaMga se bar3he... 103 prakRti ke phaoNrsa ke sAmane..... 110 prakRti ke jJeya sUkSma, sUkSmatara 106 jo prakRti svabhAva ko jAne... 112 jo prakRti meM tanmayAkAra nahIM... 107 prakRti ke sAmane yathArtha... 114 prakRti nacAe nAca 108 khIMce prakRti kI pikcara, mUla.. 115 mAlikI bhAva chUTane ke bAda... 109 prakRti meM maThiyA yA usakA... 116 [1.9] puruSa meM se puruSotama zakti, puruSa aura prakRti kI 118 zurU huA puruSottama yoga jJAnI baiThe haiM sat ke saMga 119 puruSa aMtarAtmA hai aura... 121 [1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA / bhinnatA donoM ke jAnapane meM 124 jo prakRti ko nihAra cuke, ve... 132 jJAnI eka ko dekhate haiM aura... 126 aise vilaya hotA hai potApaNuM 134 87

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142 mAtra prakRti ko hI nihArate... 127 khulA prakRti kA vijJAna... 135 vaha hai aMtima prakAra kI... 130 [2.1] dravyakarma trikarma se baMdhe hue haiM jIva 137 cazme kI vajaha se dikhatA... 139 dravyakarma vibhakta hue ATha... 137 ATha karma kyA haiM? 141 cazme se khar3I ho gaI bhrAMti 139 dravyakarma arthAt saMcitakarma [2.2] jJAnAvaraNa karma dravyakarma kA udAharaNa 143 dharmasthAna para balki bar3he... 145 jo jJAna ko prakaTa na hone de... 143 vahI saba se bar3A jJAnAvaraNa 146 jJAnAvaraNa bAdhaka hai aise 144 pharka, ajJAna aura jJAnAvaraNa meM 147 ulTI samajha se cala rahA hai.. 145 [2.3] darzanAvaraNa karma aise bane ye donoM (karma) 149 aMta meM hotA hai darzana nirAvaraNa 152 sUjha, hI darzana hai 151 jJAnavidhi se khatma darzanAvaraNIya 153 [2.4] mohanIya karma potApaNAM mAnanA, vahI mohanIya.. 155 bhare hue bhArI mohanIya... 159 mohanIya karma se bhUlA khuda... 155 vaha hai anaMta karmoM meM,aphasara... 159 mUla kAraNa hai moha 157 bheda, darzanAvaraNa aura darzana... 161 jo mUrchita kare, vaha moha 158 akrama meM cArja karma kitanA? 166 [2.5 ] aMtarAya karma cIjeM haiM phira bhI nahIM bhogI... 167 aMtarAya, parezAna karate haiM aise 188 aise DAle aMtarAya 167 mokSamArga meM aMtarAya isa taraha 190 aMtarAya DAlate hI karo... 168 karuNAbhAva jagat kalyANa kA 193 AvaraNa aura aMtarAya 170 jJAnI se milane ke bhArI... 193 khAne ke aMtarAya par3ate haiM isase 170 pratikramaNa, ataMrAya ke... aqla ke ahaMkAra se par3eM... 173 Dalate haiM aise aMtarAya... khuda brahmAMDa kA mAlika hai... 175 vartana ke aMtarAya 197 aMtarAya, ilAja karane meM yA... 176 aMtarAya TUTane se prApti jJAna kI 198 dAdA ke baharepana kA rahasya 178 nahIM tor3anI cAhie mUrti... 198 bhoga-upabhoga ke aMtarAya 179 nizcaya se TUTe dhAge aMtarAya ke 199 lAbhAMtarAya 180 satsaMga ke aMtarAya 196 196 201 ___88

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dAnAMtarAya, vIryAMtarAya 180 paramAtma aizvarya rukA hai icchA se 201 kisase TUTate haiM aMtarAya karma? 183 anizcaya se aMtarAya, nizcaya se... 202 aMtarAya karma kI karake pUjA... 184 pharka, nizcaya aura icchA meM 203 AyuSya ke aMtarAya 185 bhojana meM aMtarAya par3A hai... 205 dharma meM aMtarAya 186 jJAnI kA niaMtarAya pada 207 sacce jJAna ke prati durlakSya... 187 vaise-vaise AtmavIrya prakaTa hotA.. 207 [2.6] vedanIya karma zAtA-azAtA vedanIya 210 bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bhI... 215 do duHkha kA inTaravala, vahI.. 211 dAdA, vedanIya ke udaya ke samaya 218 vedana nahIM karanA hai, jAnanA hai 213 tere bhogavaTe ko 'tU' jAna 220 bilIpha vedanA hai, jJAna vedanA.. 213 nirAlaMba ko nahIM chUtI vedanIya 220 dAdA kA aMtara nirIkSaNa 214 [2.7] nAmakarma citragupta nahIM, lekina nAmakarma...222 yaza-apayaza nAmakarma 230 zarIra milA, vaha bhI nAmakarmase 223 yaza-apayaza kisa AdhAra para? 235 mahAvIra bhagavAna kA kaisA... 227 jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA se... 237 Adeya-anAdeya nAmakarma 228 vaha thA dAdA kA nAmakarma 238 [2.8] gotrakarma lokapUjya, lokaniMdya gotra 239 jo lokaniMdya nahIM hai, vaha... 242 gotra kA aMhakAra hote hI... 241 darzana se hI baMdha gayA tIrthaMkara... 244 [2.9] AyuSya karma deha meM bA~dhe rakhe, vaha AyuSya.. 245 jagat kA puNya kaccA, isalie... 250 zarIra maratA hai, 'khuda' nahIM 246 dAdA kA AyuSya puNya ke AdhAra para laMbA yA... 246 Aja-kala bar3he haiM AyuSya... 251 karma ke tAbe meM hai vila pAvara 247 AThoM karmoM kA baMdhana pratikSaNa 253 mRtyu hai karmoM kA sAra 247 niyama AyuSya baMdha kA 254 AyuSya zvAsocchvAsa ke adhIna 248 mAtR bhAvavAle kA AyuSya laMbA 256 acche logoM kA AyuSya kama 250 [2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma niraMtara vilaya rahate haiM dravyakarma 258 kaSAyoM se hI karmabaMdhana 270 ghAtI haiM paTTiyoM ke rUpa meM... 259 akrama jJAna se ekAvatArI pada 270 89 251

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nikAla bAkI hai aghAtI karma... 260 aba rahA cAritramoha 271 tIrthaMkaroM ke dravyakarma 261 rahA dravyakarma deha ko 272 sabhI tarapha se mela khAne para... 262 taba hotI hai jJAnalabdhi 273 zukladhyAna se naSTa hote haiM... 266 dAdA dete haiM saMpUrNa samAdhAna 273 mUla meM hai mohanIya 268 [2.11] bhAvakarma dravyakarma kI vajaha se hote haiM... 275 zuddha bhAva sudhAre donoM janma 281 kaSAya arthAt bhAvakarma 276 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to khatma huA.. 282 pharka bhAva aura bhAvakarma meM 278 kartAbhAva se bhAvakarma 283 asta hotI huI icchAe~ to... 280 [2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma bhAvakarma aura dravyakarma ke bIca..284 ileTrikala baoNDI aura kaSAya 294 AtmA ko azuddhi lagane kA... 285 jalatI hai momabattI aura jharatau... 295 saMyogoM ke dabAva se badala... 287 dravyakarma ke bIja meM se phala... 295 preraNA pAvara cetana kI 288 dravyabaMdha - bhAvabaMdha 298 bhAvakarma hai nija kalpanA 290 mAtra dRSTi kI hI bhUla 300 kalpanA ke anusAra banA pudgala 291 liMgadeha, vahI bhAvakarma hai 302 jJAna se akartA, ajJAna se kartA 292 vaha zrRkhaMlA TUTegI kaba? anupacarita vyavahAra se kartA 292 karuNA sahaja sadA 304 [2.13] nokarma yadi jJAna hai to bAdhaka nahIM... 307 akrama mArga meM:kramika mArga meM nokarma, ve indriyagamya haiM 309 nokaSAya kI samajha 317 kriyAmAtra nokarma hai 310 prArabdha hI nokarma haiM 320 akartA hai isalie 312 nokarma ataH akarma 321 sabhI cAritramoha haiM nokarma 314 [2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma trikarmoM meM khuda kA kartApana... 323 vizrasA, prayogasA, mizrasA 332 bhAvakarma ke pariNAma svarUpa... 324 ulTI dRSTi, isIlie bhAvakarma 333 nahIM hai bhAvakarma svasattA meM 324 jahA~ samatA vahA~ cArja baMda 333 badalI mAtra 'dRSTi' hI 325 ahaMkAra pahane cazmA 334 dravyakarma dikhAI dete haiM... 326 dRSTi badalI dravyakarma se 335 bhAvakarma-nokarma ke bIca 326 bhAvakarma aura mUla dRSTi... 336 304 315 W W 90

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400 401 mAlika na bano to karma chUTa... 328 rakho lakSa meM cazme, khuda... 338 deha kI sArI kriyAe~ nokarma 330 arpaNa kiyA jIvita aura rahA... 339 bharA huA mAla, vaha... 331 vijJAna se gayA bhAvakarma 341 [3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna darzana aura jJAna buddhigamya... 343 aMta meM to yaha saba eka hI 348 nahIM hai pharka isameM koI 346 niraMtara AtmA kI pratIti vahI... 349 socakara dekhA to vaha jJeya hai 346 jAnA huA samajha meM aura... 350 dekhA aura jAnA, donoM rileTiva 348 [3.2 ] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se darzana aura jJAna kI vizeSa... 352 samaya lagatA hai DisAiDa hone... 358 sAmAnya jJAna se vItarAgatA 354 isIlie rukA hai kevalajJAna 359 mukAma svadeza meM hI 354 kitanI sUkSma samajha tIrthaMkaroM kI 361 [4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka AtmA kA jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva 363 galana ko 'dekhate' raho AtmA kI sirpha jJAnakriyA.. 364 dekhanevAlA caitanya piMDa... jJAnadhArA aura kriyAdhArA donoM...365 brahmAMDa ke aMdara aura bAhara? 402 sabhI pariNAma jhar3a jAte haiM... 368 jJeya-jJAtA kA saMbaMdha 403 dekhanA svabhAva hai, calanA.. 369 niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA vahI... 'dekhane' meM kucha pharka hai? 371 jJAtA-dRSTA ko nahIM hai koI... 404 ekz2ekTa samajha jJAtA-dRSTA.. 372 AtmA ko nahIM hai z2arUrata.... 405 jJAtA nahIM indriyagamya re 373 jo jJAtA-dRSTA rahA, vahI... 407 jo jAnatA hai vaha karatA nahIM.. 378 aMta:karaNa ko jAne aura dekhe... 408 sAkSI ke rUpa meM kauna? 381 vinAzI jaga ke sAtha Atma.. 409 taba banatA hai AtmA jJAtA 382 aise rahatA hai jJAtA-dRSTA kA.. 409 jJeya ke prakAra haiM do 383 dekho taraMgoM ko philma kI taraha 410 riyala, jJeya yA jJAtA? 385 sva ko sva jAne vaha mahAmukta 412 jAnanevAlA nirdoSa hai sadA 388 dRzya aura dRSTA, donoM sadA bhinna 413 aMza meM se sarvAMza jJAnIpada 390 sirpha dekhane aura jAnanevAlA... 415 mahAtmAoM kA DiscArja... 391 jJAyaka bhAva, vahI aMtima bhAva.. 416 vidhi ke samaya dAdA ekAkAra 396 nahIM hotA smRti kA saMga... 419 avasthAoM meM asvastha, sva meM.. 397 jJAyaka bhAva se pariNatiyA~ zuddha 422 dekhane se calI jAtI haiM sabhI.. 399 niraMtara jJAyakatA vahI paramAtmA 422 403 92

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446 [5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva zarIra svabhAva se iphekTiva sAhajika arthAt binA mehanata.. 448 jahA~ sahajatA vahA~ khatma kArya.. sahaja samAdhi 448 'karo,' vahA~ AtmajJAna nahIM hai dakhalaMdAjI baMda vahI sAhajikatA 423 DakhoDakhala nikAlane ke lie.. 423 mUla AtmA aura prakRti sahaja.. 424 ahaMkAra se rukI hai pUrNAhuti zaktiyA~ mA~gane se jAgRti.. vApasa le lenI haiM DakhoDakhala bharA huA mAla to nikalegA.. taba lagatI hai muhara mokSa kI dekhane se jAte haiM aMtarAya jahA~ nahIM haiM rAgadakhala ko nikAlanA yA... dakhala nikAle dakhala ko jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to DakhoDakhala.. isameM 'hama' kauna hai? ekatA mAnI ahaMkAra ne taba vaha kahalAtI hai samajha - dveSa, vahA~.... zuddha vyavahAra kaba ? dakhala nahIM, to vaha sahaja pudgala nAce aura AtmA dekhe pahale dekho phira jAno dekhane se hotI hai zuddhi par3hatA raha khuda kI hI kitAba samyaktva ke bAda mAtra galana.. 427 429 431 432 433 prayatna se jAe dUra, sahajatA sahajatA kA matalaba hI hai..... jJAnI sadA aprayatna dazA meM dAdA kI anokhI sAhajikatA vyavasthita samajhane se prakaTa.. prakaTe Atma aizvarya... 440 kriyA se nahIM balki usameM... 441 jaldI hai ? to bana aparigrahI sahaja kisa taraha se raheM? 442 443 444 jJAyakabhAva : mizrabhAva jJAtA-dRSTA, buddhi se yA AtmA pudgala ko dekhanevAlI, prajJA jo dikhAe, vaha prajJA hai 434 436 438 444 445 [ 6 ] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 475 476 acchA-burA, donoM hI pudgala eka pudgala kA matalaba kyA ? aMta meM yahI eka dhyeya anaMta- jJeyoM ko dekhA eka... mahAvIra kA hai yaha tarIkA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA dekhanevAle ko bhI dekhanevAlA bIcavAlA upayoga kisakA ? 478 480 482 [7] dekhanevAlA - jAnanevAlA 493 496 500 501 465 aprayAsa rUpa se vicare, vaha.... 467 sahaja dazA taka pahu~cane kI ... sahaja ko dekhane se huA.. 470 473 91 450 450 451 452 455 457 458 460 462 463 484 485 488 490 491 502 506 pUrNatA prApta karane ke lie... 507 AtmA arthAt kevalajJAna prakAza 510

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AptavANI zreNI -13 (pUrvArdha) [ 11 ] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai ? prakRti kA sUkSma sAinsa praznakartA: dAdA, prakRti kyA hotI hai ? I dAdAzrI : prakRti arthAt AropaNa karake jo putalA banAyA huA hai vh| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, caMdUbhAI hU~' (caMdUbhAI kI jagaha vAcaka ko khuda kA nAma samajhanA hai), karatA hai aura phira aisA kahatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyaa'| usI ko mUrti meM pratiSThA karanA kahate haiM / yaha jo deharUpI mUrti hai usameM pratiSThA kii| isase pratiSThita AtmA khar3A ho jAtA hai aura phira vaha agale janma meM phala detA hai| jaise yaha mUrti pratiSThA karane se phala detI hai na, usI taraha yaha bhI ekz2ekTa phala detI hai / kyoMki ekz2ekTa mUrti hai yaha to / usake bAda apane basa meM nahIM rahatI / usake bAda vaha phala dene lagatI hai / vahI prakRti hai| ataH vaha apanI khuda kI hI kRti hai, jo ajJAnatA se khar3I ho gaI hai, AtmA se nahIM huI hai| do cIz2oM ke milane se banI thI, vizeSa bhAva se ! I I praznakartA : matalaba jar3a ke sAtha cetana ke milane se yaha prakRti utpanna ho gaI? dAdAzrI : hA~, cetana aura jar3a ke paramANu, donoM ikaTThe hue to usase yaha khar3A ho gyaa| ahaMkAra, krodha - mAna-mAyA-lobha khar3e ho jAte

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiN| krodha aura mAna se 'ahaMkAra' banA aura mAyA aura lobha se 'merA' (mamatA) banA, usase bana gaI yaha prkRti| khuda AtmA hai lekina khuda ke svarUpa kI ajJAnatA se bhrAMti khar3I ho gaI hai ki maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiMne kiyaa|' aisA mAnA isalie yaha nayA putalA khar3A ho gyaa| usase bana gaI prkRti| aba khuda ne kiyA nahIM hai, ho gayA hai| ye donoM vastue~ judA ho jAe~ to naI prakRti utpanna honA baMda ho jAtI hai, basa itanA hI hai| prakRti arthAt cetana rahita putlaa| jisameM cetana hai hI nhiiN| sirpha 'bilIpha cetana' hai| donoM ke saMbaMdha se yaha jo bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai na, ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA hU~ yA phira yaha kauna kara rahA hai?' phira 'khuda ne' use svIkAra kara liyA hai ki 'yaha maiM hI kara rahA huuN| mere alAvA anya koI astitva hai hI nhiiN| nahIM to kauna kara sakatA hai?' do vastue~ sAtha meM AI, usase yaha vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho gayA hai| yaha vizeSa pariNAma hai, vahI hai yaha prkRti| isameM eka 'puruSa' khuda AtmArUpa hai, bhagavAna hI hai khud| lekina bAhara ke dabAva se prakRti utpanna ho gaI ! yaha saba kyA hai? yaha saba kisane kiyA? 'maiMne kiyA' aisA saba jo bhAna utpanna hotA hai, vaha vizeSa bhAva hai aura usase prakRti bana jAtI hai| ___ isameM mUla puruSa ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| bAhara ke saMyogoM kI vajaha se yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA hai| jaba taka puruSa khuda kI jAgRti meM nahIM A jAtA, taba taka prakRti-bhAva meM hI rahA karatA hai| prakRti arthAt khuda ke svabhAva kI ajAgRti! lohe ko samudra ke kinAre rakha chor3eM to usameM badalAva hotA hai| isameM lohA kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai| usI prakAra samudra kI havA bhI kucha nahIM krtii| yadi havA kara rahI hotI to sabhI cIz2oM ko jaMga lagatA! yaha to do cIz2oM kA saMyoga hai, isalie tIsarI cIz2a utpanna ho jAtI hai| vaha vizeSa bhAva hai| jo jaMga lagatA hai, vaha prakRti hai| lohA, lohe ke bhAva meM

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[1.1] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai? hai, aura prakRti, prakRti ke bhAva meN| ina donoM ko alaga karo to puruSa, puruSa kI jagaha para aura prakRti, prakRti kI jagaha pr| jaba taka ekAkAra haiM taba taka jaMga bar3hatA hI jAegA, bar3hatA hI jAegA.... 'jJAna' - svabhAva meM, vibhAva meM puruSa aura prakRti eka dUsare ke sAtha guthe hue nahIM haiN| donoM sAmIpya bhAva meM haiM aura isa sAmIpya bhAva meM hone kI vajaha se use khuda ke 'jJAna' meM vibhramatA utpanna ho jAtI hai kyoMki puruSa jJAnamaya hai| use vibhramatA utpanna ho jAtI hai ki 'yaha kisane kiyA?' phira kahatA hai 'maiMne kiyA,' jabaki vAstava meM yaha saba prakRti hI karatI hai| bAkI 'jJAna' badalane kI vajaha se prakRti utpanna hotI hai aura agara jJAna svabhAva meM A jAe to prakRti kA nAza ho jAtA hai| abhI yaha jJAna vizeSa bhAva meM hai aura agara yaha svabhAva meM A jAe, to prakRti kA nAza ho jaae| do sanAtana vastuoM ke ikaTThe hone se donoM meM vizeSa bhAva' utpanna ho jAtA hai| usameM donoM ke khuda ke guNadharma to rahate hI haiM, lekina atirikta vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| chaH mUla vastuoM meM se jaba jar3a aura cetana donoM sAmIpya bhAva meM Ate haiM, taba vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiN| anya cAra tatva cAhe kahIM bhI, cAhe kisI bhI taraha sAmIpya meM Ae~ to bhI una para kucha asara nahIM hotaa| sUryanArAyaNa kI upasthiti se saMgemaramara kA patthara tapa jAtA hai, usameM mUla (asala) mAlika aisA mAnatA hai ki patthara kA svabhAva garama hai| usI ke jaisA isa vizeSa pariNAma kA hai| sUryanArAyaNa asta ho jAe~ge to vaha khatma ho jaaegaa| patthara to svabhAva se ThaMDe hI haiN| usI prakAra AtmA aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ke sAmIpya bhAva se 'vizeSa pariNAma' khar3A huA, usase ahaMkAra khar3A ho gyaa| jo mUla svAbhAvika pudgala thA, vaha nahIM rhaa| do vastuoM kA mizraNa se donoM ke hI svabhAva meM pharka nahIM AtA lekina 'ajJAna dazA' meM tIsarA 'vizeSa bhAva' utpanna ho jAtA hai| jaise ki

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) agara kitAba ko darpaNa ke sAmane rakheM to kitAba apanA svabhAva nahIM badalegI, taba kyA darpaNa apanA svabhAva badalatA hai? nhiiN| darpaNa to khuda ke svabhAva meM hI hai lekina usake sAmane jAo to 'vaha' khuda kA svabhAva bhI dikhAtA hai aura 'vizeSa bhAva' bhI dikhAtA hai| yaha bahuta sUkSma bAta hai| sAinTisToM ko jaldI samajha meM aaegii| yaha vizeSa bhAva kyA hai? prakRti apane Apa kisa taraha khar3I ho jAtI hai? yaha saba meMne dekhA hai| maiM yaha sabhI kucha dekhakara kaha rahA hU~! yaha hotA kisa taraha se hai? donoM kA sAmIpya bhAva, donoM kA Taca honaa| ina donoM ke Taca hone se AtmA kI yaha dazA ho gaI! vaha mAnyatA chUTa jAnI caahie| pudgala aura cetana donoM ke milane se vyatireka guNa utpanna ho ge| unase jo bhAva utpanna hote haiM, unakI vajaha se prakRti usI anusAra banatI jAtI hai, bhAva se| rahatI hai alaga lekina yahA~ para 'yaha' jaisA bhAva karatA hai, vaise hI putale kI racanA hotI jAtI hai| bhAva se race jAne ke bAda vaha apane svabhAva meM rahA karatA hai| phira vaha javAna hotA hai, bUr3hA hotA hai| pahale sabhI meM icchAnusAra hotA hai lekina phira vaha apane svabhAva meM calA jAtA hai| bUr3hA honA acchA nahIM lagatA phir| jaise apane bhAva haiM, usI bhAva se prakRti bana jAtI hai| jise saMsArI banane kI icchA ho, use strI vagairaha sabakucha mila jAtA hai| ve sabhI saMyoga mila jAte haiN| 'khuda' jaisA bhAva karatA hai, vizeSa bhAva, vaisA hI yaha bana jAtA hai| pudgala meM guNa hI aise prakRti ke guNa, ve 'para' guNa haiM, AtmA ke nahIM haiN| jagat 'para' ke guNoM ko 'sva' guNa kahatA hai| prakRti kA eka bhI guNa 'zuddhacetana' meM nahIM hai aura 'zuddhacetana' kA eka bhI guNa prakRti meM nahIM hai, guNoM se donoM sarvathA bhinna haiN| donoM bhinna hI haiN| sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se ekatA ho gaI hai isake sivA kucha hai hI nhiiN| pahale se alaga hI haiN| pUrI 'roMga bilIpha' hI baiTha cukI hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' rAiTa bilIpha deM, taba hala A jAtA hai! sirpha dRSTi phera hI hai| mAtra dRSTi kI bhUla hai|

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[11] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai ? niber3e kI rIti anokhI aisA hai hamezA hI, yaha dRSTi to kaisI hai? yoM baiThe hoM to hameM eka lAiTa ke badale do lAiTeM dikhatI haiN| A~kha z2arA yoM ho jAe to cIjeM dodo dikhAI detI haiM yA nahIM? aba vAstava meM hai to eka hI phira bhI do dikhatI haiN| hama pleTa meM cAya pI rahe hoM, taba bhI kaI bAra pleTa ke aMdara jo sarkala hotA hai na, ve do-do dikhate haiM / isakA kyA kAraNa hai? do A~kheM haiM, isalie sabakucha Dabala dikhatA hai / ye A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiM aura ve aMdaravAlI A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiN| lekina vaha mithyA dRSTi hai isalie vaha sabakucha ulTA dikhAtI hai| yadi sIdhA dikhAe to sabhI upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAlA du:kha) rahita ho jAe, sarva upAdhirahita ho jAe / vItarAga vijJAna aisA hai ki sarva duHkhoM kA kSaya karatA hai| yaha vijJAna hI aisA hai ki sarva duHkhoM se mukta karatA hai / 'vijJAna' aisA hI hotA hai, vijJAna hamezA kriyAkArI hotA hai / ata: isa vijJAna ko jAnane ke bAda vijJAna hI kAma karatA rahatA hai, Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotaa| jaba taka Apako karanA par3e, taba taka buddhi hai aura jaba taka buddhi hai, taba taka ahaMkAra hai aura jaba taka ahaMkAra hai taba taka isakA niber3A lAnA ho to bhI nahIM A sktaa| praznakartA : isa dRSTi ko badalane kI zuruAta kisa taraha ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : dRSTi badalane kI zuruAta to, jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ aura unake pAsa satsaMga sunane jAe~ to apanI dRSTi dhIre-dhIre badalatI hai / abhI Apa suna rahe ho to isase ApakI dRSTi thor3I-thor3I badalatI hai| aise karate-karate thor3A paricaya ho jAe, ekAdha mahIne kA, do mahInoM kA to dRSTi badala jAtI hai| varnA 'jJAnIpuruSa' se kahanA ki, 'sAhaba, merI dRSTi badala diijie|' to eka hI dina meM yA eka ghaMTe meM hI badala deMge ! prakRti jar3a hai yA cetana ? praznakartA : isa prakRti ko kyA jar3a samajhanA hai yA cetana samajhanA hai?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : prakRti meM cetana bilkula hai hI nahIM aura jo cetana hai vaha pAvara cetana hai| praznakartA : isa prakRti meM sirpha pAvara cetana hI hai? to isameM jar3a vibhAga bilkula bhI nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti jar3a hI hai na! usa jar3a meM pAvara A gayA hai| praznakartA : aba yaha batAyA hai ki yaha prakRti jo jar3a hai, usameM isa cetana ke sAnidhya se gati hotI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jaise hI sUryanArAyaNa hAz2ira hote haiM, vaise hI apane yahA~ logoM meM caMcalatA bar3hatI jAtI hai aura sUryanArAyaNa kI gairahAz2irI huI ki caMcalatA ghaTatI jAtI hai| vaha unakI hAz2irI se hI hotA hai| ve unheM kucha nahIM kahate, oNrDara nahIM karate, kucha bhI nhiiN| usI prakAra se AtmA kI hAz2irI se, isa prakRti meM pAvara cetana bhara jAtA hai| pAvara cetana, mUla cetana nhiiN| pAvara khatma ho jAe to gyaa| jaba taka pAvara rahatA hai, taba taka kAma karatI hai| mana-vacana-kAyA kI ye tIna baiTariyA~ cArja hotI haiM aura phira ve DiscArja ho jAtI haiM aura phira se naI cArja hotI haiN| ataH AtmA kI hAz2irI se hI yaha saba cArja hotA rahatA hai| vAstava meM yaha jar3a hai lekina pAvara cetana hai| ise sirpha jar3a kaha to dete haiM, lekina jar3a akelA kucha bhI nahIM karatA, isameM pAvara cetana bharA huA hai| ye tIna baiTariyA~ phira DiscArja hotI rahatI haiM, nirNtr| pAvara bharI huI baiTariyoM kA jo DiscArja hotA hai, use iphekTa kahate haiN| aMdara pyAle meM barapha ho aura usa pyAle ko yahA~ para rakheM, to bAhara pAnI kahA~ se jamA ho jAtA hai? usa para pAnI bahane lagatA hai| bAhara pAnI ke dAg2a kahA~ se A gae? yaha baraphavAlA pyAlA hai, jisa havA ne ise chuA, usameM maoNiscara (namI) thA, to usase pAnI bana gyaa| vaha hameM yoM sIdhI taraha se nahIM dikha sktaa| buddhi se samajha meM AtA hai| lekina loga samajhAte haiM ki aisA-aisA ho gayA, to samajha meM A jAtA hai use| lekina ina tatvoM

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[11] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai ? ke bAre meM samajha meM nahIM AtA / yahA~ para aisA ho gayA hai / yaha kisa taraha se huA, aisA lagatA hai / jisa prakAra pAnI ke rele vijJAna se banate haiM, usI prakAra prakRti bhI vijJAna se banI hai / loga samajhate haiM ki isa prakRti kA koI artha nahIM hai| prakRti to bana cukI hai| ise to loga aisA kahate haiM ki 'bhagavAna ne rcaa'| 'bhagavAna ne lIlA kI' kahate haiM / prakRti kA kartA kauna? praznakartA : aura bhI z2yAdA samajhane ke lie pUcha rahA hU~ ki prakRti ko kartRtva zakti kauna detA hai? aMta meM to vaha jar3a meM se hI banI huI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha prakRti pUrI taraha se jar3a nahIM hai| vaha nizcetanacetana hai aura vaha nizcetana - cetana acetana nahIM hai / praznakartA : use niraMtara parivartanazIla kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to badalatI rahatI hai, lekina yaha prakRti nizcetanacetana hai| praznakartA : nizcetana-cetana arthAt ise kauna sI zakti kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nizcetana-cetana kA artha DiscArja cetana hai / agara 'hamane ' kisI bhI cIz2a ko cArja kiyA ho to phira vaha apane Apa DiscArja ho jAtI hai yA nahIM? usameM kyA 'hameM' kucha karanA par3atA hai? apane Apa hI kriyA hotI rahatI hai| isameM kisI ko kucha karanA nahIM par3atA / ata: yaha saba DiscArja hai, iphekTiva hai aura iphekTiva zakti ko maiM nizcetana-cetana kahatA huuN| iphekTiva meM cetana nahIM hone ke bAvajUda bhI cetana jaisA dikhAI detA hai, ataH nizcetana-cetana kahatA hU~ / praznakartA : prakRti meM kartRtvapanA (kartApana) hai?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~, prakRti svabhAva hai uskaa| kartApana nija svarUpa meM nahIM hai, AtmA meM nahIM hai, AtmA akriya hai| prakRti meM jo pudgala paramANu haiM, jo cArja ho cuke haiM, ve kriyAzIla haiM, sakriya haiM ve khud| yaha nahIM samajhane se pUrI gAr3I hI ulTI clii| kauna kara rahA hai' itanA samajha gae to hamezA ke lie hala A jAegA, nahIM to hala nahIM aaegaa| 'pudgala,' vaha koI jIvaMta vastu nahIM hai lekina vaha 'AtmA' ke vizeSa bhAva ko grahaNa karatA hai aura vaisA hI taiyAra ho jAtA hai| ataH usameM bhI parivartana hotA hai| 'AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'taa|' 'usakA' vizeSa bhAva huA ki pudgala paramANu khiMce cale Ate haiM, phira ve apane Apa hI mUrta ho jAte haiM aura khuda kA kArya karate rahate haiM! jagat meM kisI ko bhI karanevAle kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| isa jagat meM jo bhI cIjeM haiM, ve niraMtara parivartanazIla haiN| unake AdhAra para sabhI vizeSa bhAva badalate hI rahate haiM aura naI hI taraha kA dikhatA rahatA hai sabakucha! ___ itanA yadi samajha meM A jAe na to ye sabhI khulAse ho jaaeNge| yaha AtmA jo akriya hai, use sakriya banA diyA ki 'yaha maiMne kiyA' aura prakRti sakriya hai, use ina logoM ne 'jar3a' kaha diyaa| pharka, prakRti aura kudarata meM praznakartA : prakRti kyA hai? kudarata kyA hai? yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : jo kudarata pariNamita huI, vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai| H2 aura O donoM judA hoM taba kudarata kahalAtI hai aura donoM eka ho jAe~ aura pAnI bana jAe to vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai| arthAt prakRti bhinna aura kudarata bhinna hai| prakRti meM puruSa kA vhaoNTa hai| prakRti puruSa ke vhaoNTavAlI hai aura kudarata meM puruSa kA vhaoNTa nahIM hai| vaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| apanA zarIra bana gayA hai pA~ca dhAtuoM ke milApa hone se, vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai aura jaba dhAtu alaga-alaga hoM to use kudarata kahate haiN| jaba

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[1.1] prakRti kisa taraha banatI hai? taka vAyu, tez2a, AkAza alaga hote haiM taba taka ve kudarata kahalAte haiM aura ve saba ikaTThe ho jAe~ aura yaha zarIra bana jAe to vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai| prakRti meM karanevAlA kI z2arUrata hai aura kudarata meM koI karanevAlA nahIM hai| kudarata, vahI kudaratI racanA hai| saMbaMdha, prakRti aura AtmA kA praznakartA : prakRti ke sAtha AtmA kA kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti aura AtmA ke bIca koI saMbaMdha nahIM hai, lekina AtmA kI hAz2irI se prakRti banatI rahatI hai| aise saMyoga mila Ate haiM ki usakI hAz2irI se prakRti bana hI jAtI hai aba agara jJAnIpuruSa saMyogoM ko alaga kara deM, to usake bAda kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| ataH isa bhrAMti se Age jAnA par3egA, puruSa bananA pdd'egaa| yaha prakRti bhrAMtivAlI hai| Apa ise caMdUbhAI mAnate ho, vahI cArja karatA hai aura phira caMdUbhAI hI baMdhana meM AyA hai| yaha jJAna mila jAe, svarUpa kA bhAna ho jAe, taba phira 'ApakA' cArja karanA baMda ho jaaegaa| usake bAda sirpha DiscArja rahatA hai| vaha DiscArja to baMda kiyA nahIM jA sktaa| iphekTiva hai, to usa iphekTa ko to koI baMda nahIM kara sktaa| zAyada kabhI nae sire se khAnA baMda kara de, lekina jo khA liyA hai, usakA kyA hogA? kyA saMDAsa gae bagaira calegA? ataH jinheM yaha 'jJAna' diyA hai, una saba kA cArja baMda ho gayA praznakartA : jJAna milane ke bAda prakRti jo ki vizeSa bhAva se banI hai, to usase AtmA ko alaga nahIM rakhA jA sakatA? dAdAzrI : alaga hI hai aura alaga hI rahatA hai| mujhe dikhatA hai na! hai alaga lekina abhI taka ApakI jo pahale kI mAnyatA cipakI huI hai na, vaha mAnyatA chUTatI nahIM hai| Adata par3a gaI hai na! vaha dhIre-dhIre chUTa jAegI, bAkI hai hI alg| Apa meM alaga hI rahatA hai|

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se kyA prakRti aura prANa sAtha meM jAte haiM? praznakartA : manuSya khuda duHkhI rahatA hai, isake bAvajUda bhI vaha isa saMsAra meM kyoM pha~satA rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha nahIM pha~satA hai, vaha duHkhI hai, use khuda ko chUTanA hai, yaha acchA nahIM lagatA lekina usake hAtha meM sattA nahIM hai| prakRti ke tAbe meM hai| vaha prakRti se chUTe tabhI chUTa pAegA, varnA prakRti use ulajhAtI hI rhegii| prakRti bana cukI hai, khuda usake tAbe meM hai| usake bAda khela apane hAtha meM nahIM rhaa| aba to jitanA prakRti se chUTeMge, utanA hI khela apane hAtha meM aaegaa| bAkI jaba taka prakRti se nahIM chUTeMge, taba taka prakRti hameM ulajhAtI hI rhegii| pUrA jagat prakRti se paravaza hokara calatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : apane meM aisA kahate haiM ki prANa aura prakRti sAtha meM hI jAte haiM, to phira kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : hA~, donoM sAtha meM jAte haiM isakA artha itanA hI hai ki kucha prakRti jJAna prApta karane se kama ho jAtI hai, prakRti arthAt aavrnn| to agara usameM yahA~ para AvaraNa ho na to khuda kI icchAnusAra jahA~ jAnA ho vahA~ jA nahIM sktaa| jitanA vaha AvaraNa TUTe, utanI hI kama ho jAtI hai| varnA agara bahuta maz2abUta prakRti bA~dhI huI ho, gAr3ha AvaraNavAlI, to marane para bhI chUTatI nahIM hai, vaisI kI vaisI hI dikhatI hai| prakRti chUTatI nahIM hai uskii| jaba dekho taba vaise kA vaisA, mAra khAtA hai phira bhI vaise kA vaisaa| corI karane kI prakRti ho to mAra khA-khAkara bhI vaha corI hI karatA hai|

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se cAritra se kharAba ho to mAra khAkara bhI prakRti vaisI kI vaisI hI aura prakRti ke vaza hokara aisA saba karatA hai| dAna detA hai, vaha bhI prakRti ke vaza, vaha jJAna se nahIM hai, aura corI bhI prakRti ke vaza karatA hai| aba use jaba prakRti aura puruSa kA yaha jJAna ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM kauna hU~' aura 'yaha prakRti kauna hai' taba donoM judA ho jAte haiM, taba chuTakArA hotA hai, nahIM to chuTakArA nahIM hotaa| Apa puruSa ho, AtmA bhI puruSa hai jabaki yaha prakRti hai| jaba taka puruSa prakRti ke adhIna hai, taba taka usakA kucha nahIM cltaa| jaba puruSa prakRti se chUTe, taba sabakucha puruSa kA hI calatA hai| maiM kauna hU~' aisA jAno aura vaha anubhava meM A jAe, taba chuTakArA hogA, nahIM to chuTakArA nahIM hogaa| varnA ye du:kha Apa para Ate hI raheMge, saMsAra ke duHkha niraMtara bhogate hI rahane pdd'eNge| palabhara meM zAMti aura palabhara meM azAMti, palabhara meM zAMti aura palabhara meM azAMti, vaha prakRti kI vajaha se hai| kharA sukha isameM hai hI nhiiN| zAMti aura azAMti, donoM hI kalpita cIjeM haiM, saccA sukha nahIM hai| saccA sukha to sanAtana hotA hai, jo Ane ke bAda jAtA nhiiN| saccA sukha to, agara jela meM DAla de na, to bhI parezAnI nahIM ho, azAMti nahIM ho| praznakartA : kitane hI loga to jaba zAMti nahIM hotI, to parezAna hokara zAMti prApta karane ke lie jahara pIkara mara jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina kyA kareM ve? aura jahara pItA hai aisA nahIM hai| vaha bhI jAna-bUjhakara z2ahara nahIM pItA hai, vaha bhI prakRti pilavAtI hai| jAna bUjhakara to saMDAsa jAne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai| mujhe bhI nahIM hai aura kRSNa bhagavAna ko bhI nahIM thI aura mahAvIra bhagavAna ko bhI nahIM thii| prakRti ke adhIna hai yaha sb| bhagavAna to bhagavAna the, kRSNa bhagavAna the| puruSa ho cuke the, isIlie isa prakRti ko jAnate the! yaha prakRti hai, aisA par3osI kI taraha jAnA karate the, pahacAnate the| yaha bahuta jAnane jaisA hai, aMdara kA pUrA sAinsa! prakRti nacAe vaise nAcatA hai jaise prakRti nacAe vaise nAcatA hai| khuda ke hitAhita kA dhyAna nahIM

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) rhtaa| prakRti jaba gussA karavAtI hai taba gussA karake khar3A rahatA hai| prakRti rulAtI hai taba rotA bhI hai| use zarama bhI nahIM aatii| khule Ama rotA hai| aise rotA hai ki Tapa-Tapa A~sU girate haiN| praznakartA : prakRti rulAtI hai yA karma rulAte haiM, dAdA? dAdAzrI : karma kA matalaba hI hai, prkRti| vahI mUla prakRti kahalAtI hai| yaha prakRti hI sabakucha calAtI hai, karatI hai prakRti aura khuda kyA kahatA hai ki maiMne kiyaa| isI ko kahate haiM igoij'm|| cAya kauna mA~gatA hai? prakRti mA~gatI hai| yaha jalebI kauna mA~gatA hai? bhUkha kise lagatI hai? pyAsa kise lagatI hai? vaha saba prakRti ko| apamAna karane para apamAna kisakA hotA hai? prakRti kaa| saMDAsa kauna jAtA hai? AtmA jAtA hogA, nahIM? yaha saba prakRti hai, jabaki loga kyA kahate haiM? 'maiM saMDAsa jA aayaa|' bhUkha prakRti ko lagatI hai yA hameM lagatI hai? praznakartA : prakRti ko| dAdAzrI : aura vaha kahatA hai ki mujhe bhUkha lgii| vyavahAra se kahane meM harja nahIM hai, DrAmeTika bolane meM harja nahIM hai| lekina aMdara ekjekTa vaisI hI bilIpha se bolatA hai| vyavahAra se to bolanA hI par3atA hai, nATaka meM to| jaba AtmA ko jAna le, taba puruSa aura prakRti donoM agala ho jAte haiN| usake bAda prakRti, prakRti kA rola karatI hai aura puruSa, puruSa kA rola karatA hai| isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda to aba kartApana calA gayA, 'maiM' puruSa banA gayA aura prakRti alaga ho gii| Apa puruSa bana gae aura prakRti bilkula alaga ho gaI, isIlie puruSa puruSArtha kara sakatA hai, varnA prakRti to puruSArtha kara hI nahIM sakatI na! aura prakRti kA puruSArtha bhrAMta puruSArtha mAnA jAtA hai| prakRti to hameM nacAtI hai blki| prakRti apane tAbe meM nahIM hai, hama usake tAbe meM haiN| hAlAMki apane tAbe meM to hai hI nahIM yaha prakRti

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se kyoMki jo prakRti bana cukI hai, vaha to iphekTa hai aura iphekTa meM to calatA hI nahIM na kisI kaa| ata: vaha iphekTa hameM bhoganA hI par3egA arthAt usake vaza meM rahanA pdd'egaa| ataH hameM, puruSa ko puruSArtha karanA hai aura prakRti apanA z2ora lgaaegii| aise karate-karate hama alaga ho jAe~ge, to vaha khatma ho jaaegii| naI AmadanI AtI nahIM aura purAnI bhI khatma ho jAtI hai| purAnA DiscArja ho jAtA hai aura nayA cArja nahIM hotA, isalie khatma ho jAtA hai| abhI taka to apanA kartApana thA hI, yaha to aisA hai ki prakRti palabhara meM acchA rakhatI hai, palabhara meM bigAr3a detI hai| palabhara meM acchA rakhatI hai, palabhara meM bigAr3a detI hai| basa itanA hI hai ki usameM hama merApana mAnate the| bAkI vAstava meM vaha hama the hI nahIM na! isa jJAna ko samajhane ke bAda hama to puruSa ho gae! yaha jo riyala hai vaha puruSa hai aura jo rileTiva hai vaha prArabdha hai, iphekTavAlI prkRti| yaha pUrA vijJAna samajhane jaisA hai saaraa| prakRti barabasa karavAtI hai...... asala meM dekhane jAe~ to ajJAna dazA meM koI prakRti se alaga huA hI nahIM hai| ye saba loga kucha hada taka prakRti ke bhoktA haiN| prakRti kA mAlika kauna hai? jo kahatA hai ki 'yaha maiM hI hU~, maiM caMdUlAla hU~,' vahI isa prakRti kA bhoktA hai| vahA~ para prakRti kaisI rahatI hai? kisI kI vaha sAsa hotI hai, taba vaha sAsavAlA bhAva dikhAe to khuza ho jAtI hai| mAsI sAsa AI, cAcI sAsa AI, vAipha hotI hai| beTA kahegA, 'pApA jii|' usase prakRti to khuza ho jAtI hai, para yaha jo caMdUlAla hai, vaha bhogatA hai ye saba cIjeM, arthAt ki AtmA nahIM lekina yaha sArA ahaMkAra hai, 'caMdUlAla' nAmaka ahaMkAra hai| yaha duniyA prakRti ke vaza meM hai| yaha sabakucha prakRti barabasa karavAtI hai sabhI se aura vaha khuda barabasa karatA hai| hameM nahIM karanA ho, phira bhI karavAtI hai| apanA vijJAna yaha sUcita karatA hai ki prakRti yaha saba barabasa karavAtI hai, use tU jAna aura prakRti se alaga ho jA, lekina 'yaha prakRti maiM hI hU~, yaha jo kara rahA hai vaha maiM hI huuN|' aisA jo dehAdhyAsa hai, vaha chUTa jAe usake lie yaha (jJAna) hai| varnA prakRti to pUre jagat ko barabasa nacAtI hai|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM to, aise kRSNa bhagavAna ! yAnI kauna? nara meM nArAyaNa pada kahalAte haiM ve, lekina aise so gae the| are... tIra lagA na! ve kyA aisA nahIM jAnate the ki tIra AnevAlA hai? unhoMne nATaka kI taraha hone diyaa| ve khuda jAnate the, phira bhI koI badalAva nahIM kiyA, lekina jisa samaya prakRti meM jo honA hai, vaha chor3atA nahIM hai| AtmA aura prakRti, yoM to donoM alaga haiM lekina naz2adIka hone kI vajaha se donoM aise cipaka par3e haiM anAdikAla se ki ukhar3ate hI nhiiN| ataH donoM ke svabhAva meM 'ekatA' lagatI hai| maiM mara jAU~gA,' isa AtmA ko bhI aisA hI lagatA hai| donoM eka ho gae haiM na! are bhAI, tU kaise mara sakatA hai? lekina use svabhAva 'ekatA' ho gaI hai| prakRti sarvasva prakAra se paravaza hI hai| thrI haMDreDa enDa siksaTI DigrI se paravaza hI hai| yaha to basa itanA hI hai ki loga ahaMkAra karate haiN| 'maiM aise kara dUMgA, maiM aisA kara dUMgA aura maiM vaisA kara dUMgA' aisA ahaMkAra karatA hai| basa itanA hI hai| praznakartA : arthAt jIro se thrI siksaTI taka pUrI prakRti paravaza hai? dAdAzrI : saMpUrNa (prakRti) pUrI hI paravaza hai| yaha to prakRti meM jo honevAlA hai, usa AdhAra para naimittika vANI nikalatI hai taba vaha khuda ke mana meM aise eDajasTa kara letA hai ki aba maiM jo yaha kaha rahA hU~, aba usI anusAra ho rahA hai| praznakartA : tIrthaMkaroM kI prakRti bhI paravaza hai? dAdAzrI : tIrthaMkaroM kI kyA, sabhI kii| prakRti mAtra paravazatA hai! praznakartA : nahIM, arthAt AtmA kA aura usakA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai lekina vaha..... dAdAzrI : koI lenA-denA nahIM hai donoM ko hii| praznakartA : lekina tIrthaMkaroM kI aura jJAniyoM kI prakRti kucha hada taka cokhI ho cukI hotI hai na?

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se dAdAzrI : jaise-jaise prakRti cokhI hotI jAtI hai na, vaise-vaise jJAna kI ora jAtA hai| jaise - jaise prakRti adhika bigAr3atA hai vaise-vaise DAuna jAtA hai, nIce jAtA hai vaha / prakRti ko jaise - jaise cokhI kare, vaise-vaise halkA hotA jAtA hai aura vaise-vaise Urdhvagati meM jAtA hai| praznakartA : kyA prAkRta avasthAe~ kevalajJAna taka rahatI haiM? dAdAzrI : prAkRta avasthAe~ to kevalajJAna ke bAda bhI rahatI haiN| jaba taka mokSa meM nahIM jAe, taba taka prakRti hai / ataH kucha guNa rahate haiM, lekina krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vagairaha saba nikala cukA hotA hai, lekina jo bAkI baca gayA ho, vaha rahatA hai| saMbaMdha, svasattA aura prAkRta sattA kA khuda isa parasattA ko samajha jAe aura parasattA meM phira khuda ekAdha janama taka hAtha na DAle to phira vaha sattA hI use chor3a detI hai aura vaha mukta ho jAtA hai, basa / khuda parasattA meM dakhalaMdAz2I karatA hai, isIlie yaha sattA use pakar3akara rakhatI hai / usakI sattA meM loga dakhalaMdAz2I karate haiM / 'maiMne kiyA' kahate haiM / saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai| maiMne phaoNrena ke DaoNkTaroM ko ikaTThA karake kahA thA, taba ve saba asamaMjasa meM par3a ge| phira maiMne kahA, jaba baMda ho jAegA taba patA calegA ki ApakI zakti nahIM thI / praznakartA : prAkRtika zakti hai| dAdAzrI : hA~ basa / yaha jo hai, use kudarata calAtI hai, prakRti calAtI hai aura Upara se kahatA hai, 'maiM calA / ' praznakartA : prakRti kI sattA, AtmA kI sattA se svataMtra hai yA parataMtra hai? 15 dAdAzrI : prakRti kI sattA, AtmA kI sattA se svataMtra hai bilkul| sirpha AtmA kI hAz2arI kI z2arUrata hai / AtmA kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai I AtmA kI hAz2irI ho to calatA rahatA hai / AtmA ke adhIna nahIM hai vaha /

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16 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) AtmA kI hAz2irI kI z2arUrata hai, sirpha hAz2irI! varnA agara AtmA kI hAz2irI nahIM ho to kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : isakA artha aisA huA ki prakRti mujha para AkramaNa kara sakatI hai? kyA prakRti AtmA para AkramaNa kara sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : kiyA hI hai, AkramaNa hI kiyA huA hai tabhI to ye loga aise dikhate haiN| khuda bhagavAna hone ke bAvajUda bhI aise dikhate haiN| koI gussA ho jAtA hai, koI lobhI bana jAtA hai, koI kapaTa karatA hai, luccApana karatA hai| chUTate samaya prakRti svataMtra praznakartA : lekina aba yadi prakRti ko koI kArya karanA ho to AtmA kI anumati lenI par3egI na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| prakRti arthAt AtmA ne (vyavahAra AtmA ne) jo kucha bhI bhAva kiyA, jaisI dakhalaMdAz2I kI, vaisI hI prakRti bana gaI hai aaj| phira chUTate samaya, AtmA ko to chor3anA hotA hai isa taraha se, lekina prakRti apane svabhAvapUrvaka hI chUTatI hai| usa ghar3I 'use' acchA nahIM lgtaa| mAna lIjie mujhe Apa para gussA AyA lekina mujhe vaha gussA acchA nahIM lgegaa| praznakartA : gussA AnA, vaha prakRti karatI hai na? dAdAzrI : jo dikhatA hai vaha gussA nahIM hai| maiM usake mUla bIja para, maulika, maiM usakI jar3a taka jAtA huuN| usakA sTArTiMga poinTa kyA hai, usa para! arthAt sTArTiMga poinTa meM vaha gusse kI dakhalaMdAjI karatA hai isa prakRti meM aura usase jo taiyAra hotI hai, jaise bhAva se karatA hai, usI bhAva se mUla prakRti taiyAra hotI hai| usake bAda vaha prakRti svabhAvataH DiscArja ho jAtI hai| usa samaya 'use' acchA nahIM lagatA, isameM phira prakRti kyA kare becArI! arthAt jaba taka khuda ke samajhane meM bhUla rahe, taba taka prakRti duHkha degI, varnA prakRti khuda, na to duHkha dene AI hai, na hI sukha dene AI hai|

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se 17 donoM barateM nija svabhAva meM praznakartA : prakRti aura jJAna, jJAna to dinoMdina bar3hatA jAtA hai aura prakRti bhI kAma karatI hai| prakRti to jJAnI meM bhI kAma karatI hai aura ajJAnI meM bhI kAma karatI hai| aba prakRti para jJAna kI vijaya kisa taraha ho sakatI hai, vaha Apa smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : prakRti para jJAna kI vijaya nahIM hotii| prakRti apane svabhAva meM rahatI hai| jJAna, jJAna ke svabhAva meM rahatA hai! AtmA, AtmA ke svabhAva meM rahatA hai, prakRti, prakRti ke svabhAva meM rahatI hai| jaba yaha bhrAMti TUTa jAtI hai ki 'prakRti kI jo kriyA hotI hai, vaha saba maiM kara rahA hU~' to usake bAda svabhAvika kriyA meM A jAtA hai| prakRti kI svataMtratA aura parataMtratA praznakartA : bIca meM vaha ejenTa kauna hai, vaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : bIca meM koI bhI ejenTa nahIM hai| jise ejenTa mAnate haiM na, vaha to prakRti hI ejenTa hai aura usI ke hAtha meM sattA hai| apane hAtha meM sattA nahIM hai| hama cipaTa par3e haiN| hama aisA samajhate haiM ki yaha koI bAharI ejenTa AyA hai, jabaki vaha kyA kahatI hai? Apa bAharI ejenTa ho| ApakA yahA~ koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| Apako sirpha 'dekhate' rahanA hai| hama kyA karate haiM? pUre dina 'e.ema.paTela' kyA khAte haiM, pIte haiM, vahI saba dekhate' rahate haiN| kitanI bAra ulTI huI, kitanI bAra vaha huA, vaha saba 'dekhate' rahate haiN| itanA hI adhikAra hai hmeN| praznakartA : jo prakRti hai, vaha to deha se saMbaMdhita hai na? dAdAzrI : yaha deha, mana-vacana-kAyA sabakucha isI meM A gyaa| AtmA ke alAvA bAkI kA sabhI kucha jise jagat 'maiM panA' mAnatA hai, vaha sArI prakRti hI hai aura AtmA isase alaga hai| use khuda jAnatA nahIM hai, becAre ko bhAna nahIM hai| aura prakRti yoM to pariNAma se svataMtra hai, pariNAma

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) arthAt iphekTiva meM, lekina kaoNz2ez2a meM parataMtra hai| saMpUrNa parataMtra nahIM hai lekina voTiMga paddhati, pArliyAmenTarI paddhati hai| AtmA ko isameM koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : prakRti yadi pUrI taraha svataMtra nahIM hai to kisa para AdhArita hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, pariNAma se svataMtra hai| isa janma se lekara mRtyu taka yaha pariNAma kahalAtA hai, vaha svataMtra hai| isameM prakRti svataMtra hai, apanA kucha bhI nahIM calatA lekina aMdara jo kaoNz2ez2a bana rahe haiM, vahA~ para apanA calatA hai| usameM hameM badalAva karanA ho to ho sakatA hai thor3A bhut| vaha bhI saMpUrNa to ho hI nahIM sktaa| thor3A-bahuta badalAva hama kara sakate haiM ki bhAI, kisI para hameM aise kudaratI rUpa se baira hone lage, phira bhI aMdara hama nakkI karate haiM ki 'bhAI hameM baira bA~dhakara kyA phAyadA pAnA hai!' arthAt aMdara utanA badalAva karane kA rAiTa hai, kaoNz2ez2a meN| iphekTa meM rAiTa nahIM hai, iphekTa to ekjekTa AegA hii| jaba lar3akI dekhane jAtA hai, taba prakRti use pasaMda karatI hai aura khuda kahatA hai ki 'maiMne pasaMda kii|' aura phira ghara Ane para kyA kahatA hai ki 'maiM to tujhe aisA samajhatA hI nahIM thA, tU to kharAba niklii|' are bhAI, vaha kharAba nahIM nikalI hai, tU Ter3hA hai| ina sabhI ko kisa taraha ye saba paz2alsa samajha meM Ae~? isalie iMsAna ulajhatA hI jAtA hai, pUre dina ulajhana, ulajhana aura uljhn| prakRti ko nahIM badalanA hai, usake kAraNoM ko badalanA hai praznakartA : lekina gItA meM kahA hai ki prakRti kA jo mUlabhUta svabhAva hai, vaha to mAyA kI tarapha jAne kA hI hai aura aba usake virUddha jAnA arthAt AtmA kI tarapha jAnA, vaha kaise ho sakatA hai? jisa prakAra pAnI kA svabhAva nIce jAne kA hai, agni kA svabhAva Upara jAne kA hai to unheM unake svabhAva se viruddha le jAnA muzkila hai, to usI prakAra se prakRti ko AtmA kI tarapha le jAnA kitanA muzkila hai?

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se dAdAzrI : prakRti ko viruddha (dizA meM) le jAnA gunAha hai| viruddha nahIM le jAnA hai| prakRti ko sudhAranA nahIM hai| prakRti khuda kI sattA meM hI hai| vaha sattA, pariNAma hai| prakRti kI sattA pariNAmika hai| vaha pariNAma badala nahIM sakegA na? kaoNz2ez2a badalane haiM, usake bajAya loga prakRti ko badalane jAte haiN| puruSArtha kisa AdhAra para hotA hai? praznakartA : to prakRti yaha saba karatI hai yA yaha saba prakRti meM ho rahA hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti hI hai yaha sb| prakRti kyA hai, vaha eka bAra jAna lenA caahie| prakRti arthAt jaise Ama ke per3a para Ama lagate haiM na, to vaha Ama lagatA hai yA banAyA jA rahA hai? praznakartA : lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : usI prakAra se hai yaha prkRti| parIkSA kA javAba AtA hai na, vaha prakRti hai aura jo kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM, vaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai| jitanA use jJAna hai, usI anusAra usakA puruSArtha hai| satajJAna, jo saMpUrNa jJAna hai use bhagavAna kahA jAtA hai| ve bhagavAna jitane aMzoM taka usake pAsa haiM utanA hI usakA puruSArtha hai| vaha jJAna ke AdhAra para kara rahA hai| abhI kisI ko gAliyA~ de, to usake bAda jo pachatAvA karatA hai, vaha jJAna se karatA hai yA ajJAna se karatA hai? praznakartA : jJAna se karatA hai| dAdAzrI : to vaha jJAna kA pratApa hai, ata: vahA~ para puruSArtha hai| jitanA-jitanA jJAna bhAga ke lie helpiMga huA, vaha sArA puruSArtha hai| bAkI kI sArI prakRti hai| visarjana prakRti ke hAtha meM hai| sarjana jJAna ke anusAra hai aura visarjana prakRti ke adhIna hai| visarjana meM kisI kA nahIM cltaa| onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai yaha sb| da varlDa iz2a da paz2ala ittselph| gaoNDa hez2a naoNTa paz2alDa disa varlDa eTa oNl|

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20 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kAraNa-kArya svarUpa prakRti kA praznakartA : kucha prakAra kI prakRti to hama janma se lekara Ae hote haiM, janma se hI kucha prakRti lekara Ae hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : prakRti lekara hI Ae haiM / AtmA prakRti ke sAtha hai, basa itanA hI hai| bAkI prakRti lekara Ae haiN| lAnevAlI prakRti hai aura le jAnevAlI bhI prakRti hai aura prakRti hI hai yaha saba / prakRti kaba banI? pichale janma meM kAraNa prakRti banI thI, vahI isa janma meM kAraNa prakRti meM se kArya prakRti bana jAtI hai| kArya prakRti arthAt phala denevAlI prakRti aura kAraNa prakRti arthAt jo abhI taka phala dene ke lie sammukha nahIM huI hai| aba isa kArya prakRti meM se vApasa se kAraNa prakRti utpanna hotI hai| ahaMkAra Ter3hA hai isalie kAraNa prakRti utpanna karatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : usakA janma huA, usI ghar3I se vaha AMtarika prakRti lekara AtA hai aura phira bAhya prakRti yahA~ para janma lene ke bAda usake udaya meM AtI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, AMtarika prakRti lekara AtA hai, vahI bAhya prakRti ko utpanna karatI hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, bAhya prakRti kA nirmANa aura AMtarika prakRti kA jo lekara Ae haiM, kyA una donoM meM koI saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : itanI yadi khoja karanA A jAe na to mere jaisA jJAnI bana jaae| aMdara kI prakRti hai, tabhI to bAhara yaha saba milatA hai, varnA milatA hI nahIM / nahIM to aisA koI niyama nahIM hai ki bAharavAlA hameM mila jAe / yaha bahuta sUkSma bAta hai / praznakartA : nae karma jo banate haiM, ve bAhya prakRti kI vajaha se hI banate haiM?

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[12] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se dAdAzrI : ye jo nae karma banate haiM, ve to apane ahaMkAra aura Aja kI apanI samajha aura jJAna para AdhArita haiM / karma ulTe bhI bA~dha sakatA hai aura sIdhe bhI bA~dha sakatA hai aura prakRti hameM vaise saMyogoM meM rakhatI hai| aisI samajha to hai hI nahIM na kisI meM ! use to aisA hI lagatA hai ki bAhara se mila rahA hai yaha sbkuch| isameM rAga-dveSa kise haiM? 21 praznakartA : AtmA rAga-dveSa rahita hai to prakRti rAga-dveSa rahita kisa taraha se ho sakatI hai? kaba ho sakatI hai? usakA krama kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : sthUla prakRti rAga-dveSavAlI hai hI nhiiN| vaha to pUraNagalana (cArja honA, bharanA - DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) svabhAva kI hai? yaha to, ahaMkAra rAga-dveSa karatA hai| use jo acchA lagatA hai usa para rAga karatA hai aura agara acchA nahIM lagatA to dveSa karatA hai| prakRti to apane svabhAva meM hai| sardI ke dinoM meM ThaMDa hotI hai yA nahIM hotI? praznakartA : hotI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha use acchI nahIM lage to use dveSa hotA hai| kucha logoM ko isameM maz2A AtA hai / nahIM AtA ? praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai / dAdAzrI : aisA hI hai / prakRti ko sardI ke dinoM meM ThaMDa lagatI hai, garmiyoM ke dinoM meM garmI lagatI hai / arthAt ye sAre rAga-dveSa ahaMkAra hI karatA hai / ahaMkAra jAe to rAga-dveSa cale jAte haiM / praznakartA : arthAt jJAna dene ke bAda prakRti oNTomeTika sahaja hotI hI jAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAna milane ke bAda prakRti judA ho gaI lekina DiscArja ke rUpa meM rahI huI hai| vaha DiscArja hotI rahatI hai dhiire-dhiire| jo cArja ho cukI hai, vahI DiscArja hotI rahatI hai / 'jIvita ' ahaMkAra ke binA

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) DiscArja hotI hI rahatI hai, apane Apa hii| use hama kahate haiM ki 'vyavasthita hai|' prakRti, ahaMkAra ke tAbe meM yA vyavasthita ke? praznakartA : prakRti aura vyavasthita eka hI cIz2a hai? dAdAzrI : apanI prakRti vyavasthita ke tAbe meM hai aura ajJAnI kI prakRti ahaMkAra ke tAbe meM hai| 'ahaMkAra ke tAbe meM hai,' isakA matalaba kyA hai? vaha pAgalapana bhI kara sakatI hai| ahaMkArI iMsAna vyavasthita kI to sunatA hI nahIM hai na! apane mahAtmAoM kA to vaha ahaMkAra calA gayA hai, usake bAda sirpha vyavasthita rhaa| praznakartA : vyavasthita aura prakRti ke bIca saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hai na sNbNdh| prakRti vyavasthita hI hai saarii| prakRti aise koI gappa nahIM hai| vyavasthita arthAt sattAnave ke bAda aThAnave Akara khar3A rahatA hai vaha to| aThAnave ke bAda nabbe nahIM AegA, vaha bhI vyavasthita hai| jaisA zobhA de usa taraha se AtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt prakRti aura vyavasthita meM kucha pharka hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| vyavasthita, vaha to kArya karatA hai, jabaki prakRti to Diz2olva hotI rahatI hai| vyavasthita zakti ko aMgrejI meM 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' kahatA huuN| praznakartA : prakRti Diz2olva hotI rahatI hai to phira prakRti kA nAza ho jAnA cAhie nA? dAdAzrI : hA~, nAza hI to hone lagA hai na yaha, aba nirjarA (Atma pradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) hI hone lagegI n| yaha jJAna lene ke bAda nayA karma nahIM baMdhatA, purAne karma vilaya hote rahate haiM, DiscArja hote rahate haiN| nayA cArja nahIM hotaa| jaba taka aisA bhAna thA ki 'maiM kartA hU~, taba taka nayA cArja ho rahA thA aura agara 'vyavasthita' kartA hai to, vahA~

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[1.2] prakRti, vaha hai pariNAma svarUpa se para usakA cArja honA baMda ho jAtA hai| usake bAda phira sirpha DiscArja hI hotA rahatA hai| prakRti ko bhogate haiM, vaha vyavasthita hai| prakRti banAI vaha vyavasthita nahIM hai| naI utpanna karanA vaha vyavasthita nahIM hai| jJAna nahIM ho to naI prakRti utpanna karatA rahatA hai phira / jJAna ho to prakRti utpanna hotI hI nahIM, kaoNz2ez2a khatma ho jAte haiM! praznakartA : dAdAjI, to vaha prakRti iphekTa hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, prakRti iphekTa hai, lekina sirpha prakRti ko hI iphekTa nahIM kaha skte| prakRti meM iphekTa aura kaoNz2ez2a donoM guNa rahe hue haiN| unameM se kaoNz2ez2a ke alAvA bAkI kA sArA bhAga iphekTa hai| ataH hama kaoNz2ez2a baMda kara dete haiM, isalie Apase kaha dete haiM ki 'vyavasthita hai| yadi kaoNz2ez2a jArI raheM to use vyavasthita nahIM kahA jA sktaa| prakRti kA matalaba kyA hai ki pUrvajanma meM vaha mAla bharA thaa| pUrvajanma meM jo mAla bharA hai, vaha abhI prakaTa ho rahA hai aura abhI jo bharoge vaha agale janma prakaTa hogA, use kahate haiM prkRti| prakRti, jaise sulagAyA huA bArUda Apane jo bharA hai, niyama se vahI nikalatA hai| eka paTAkhA, eka havaI bama yA koI Tikar3I ho to, use jalAne ke bAda ve apanA svabhAva chor3eMge kyA? prakRti arthAt sulagAI huI ciij'| aba, hameM sulagAnA nahIM pdd'taa| jaba usake kAla kA udaya AtA hai, usa ghar3I usakA aMkura phUTatA hai| usake bAda kyA vaha ruka sakatA hai? yadi havaI bama ke svabhAvavAlA hogA to dhotI meM ghusa jAegA aura paTAkhe ke svabhAvavalA hogA to phUTegA aura phulajhar3I ke svabhAvavAlA hogA to phuljhdd'ii| isa prakAra svabhAva ke anusAra phuutteNge| ____ yadi koI aisA bar3A bama hogA, bhar3Aka se phUTate haiM vaisA, aba usameM agara galatI se havaI bama kA bArUda bhara liyA ho aura Apa phor3o to vaha

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) havaI bama kI taraha phUTegA / ApakI dhotI meM ghusa jAegA, usameM rakhanevAle kA kyA doSa becAre kA ? usane kapar3e paTAkhe ke pahane haiM aura Apa samajhate ho ki paTAkhA phuuttegaa| are, aisA nahIM hai| usake aMdara bArUda bharA huA hai havaI bama kA! isalie havaI bama jaisA guNa degaa| paTAkhe meM phulajhar3I kA bArUda bharA huA hogA to kyA vaha phUTegA ? nahIM / usI taraha ina saba meM bArUda adala-badala ho jAte haiM, isalie vaisA hai / usameM mana kyA kare becArA? kyA vaha buddhi ko pahu~catA hai? kyA bIca meM bArUda badala jAtA hai? taba phira kyA hotA hai? ye paTAkhe banAnevAle jaba bharate haiM, taba maz2adUroM se bAteM karate-karate isake badale usameM se bhara diyA, phira aisA ho jAtA hai / phira paTAkhA phor3ate samaya havaI bama kI taraha ghusa jAtA hai dhotI meM, jalA detA hai aura phira loga zora macAte haiM, 'are bhAI, yaha kaisA, yaha kaisA ? yaha kaisA?' are bhAI, yaha aisA hai isI ko kahate haiM kaliyuga / 24

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[ 1.3 ] prakRti jaise banI hai usI anusAra khulatI Asakti hai prakRti ko praznakartA : jJAna milane ke bAda aisI zraddhA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' lekina jo Asakti hai vaha ekadama se chUTatI nahIM hai na ? dAdAzrI : Asakti to prakRti ko hai, puruSa ko Asakti nahIM hai| puruSa to eka bAra alaga ho gayA na, isalie phira puruSArtha hI karatA rahatA hai aura prakRti AsaktivAlI kahalAtI hai / prakRti Asakti karatI rahatI hai| puruSa aura prakRti donoM alaga ho jAne caahie| inheM koI judA karake nahIM detA hai| kabhI-kabhI hI, jaba jJAnIpuruSa avatarita hote haiM, dasa lAkha sAloM meM eka bAra, taba donoM ko judA kara dete haiM / taba taka sabakucha karate hI rahanA par3atA hai| jabaki isameM prakRti aura puruSa donoM ko judA kara dete haiM taba phira puruSa, puruSa ke svabhAva meM aura prakRti, prakRti ke svabhAva meN| prakRti Asakti meM rahatI hai aura puruSa jJAtA - dRSTA rahatA hai| aura aisA jJAna dene ke bAda to yaha puruSa aura prakRti donoM ko judA kara dete haiN| isase khuda puruSa banatA hai / puruSa puruSArtha sahita hai| kitanA adhika puruSArtha kara sakatA hai isameM ! aura loga to ApakI prakRti ko hI dekhate rahate haiN| are, prakRti ko mata dekha, puruSa ko dekha / agara prakRti dekhegA to jaisA thA vaisA hI svabhAva dikhegA / chor3a nA ise / use nahIM dekhanA hai| saMDAsa nahIM jAtA? kyA jJAna lene ke bAda saMDAsa baMda ho jAtA hai ? praznakartA : nahIM vaha to calatA hI rahatA hai na ! dAdAzrI : taba kyA kar3hI z2yAdA khAtA ho to baMda ho jAtI hogI?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) khape prakRti kisa se? praznakartA : phira Apane likhA hai ki koI prakRti tyAgavAlI hotI hai, koI prakRti tapavAlI hotI hai, koI prakRti vilAsI hotI hai| mokSa meM jAne ke lie mAtra ApakI prakRti ko khapAnA hai|' to prakRti ko khapAnA arthAt kyA? dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai| prakRti khapAnA arthAt apanI prakRti ko sAmanevAle ke sAtha anukUla karake (eDajasTa karake), anukUla hokara samabhAva se nikAla (nipaTArA) krnaa| praznakartA : isa vilAsI prakRti ko khapAnA hai aura mokSa meM kisa taraha jAyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, use to khapAkara hI jAyA jA sakatA hai| yaha sArA vilAsa hI hai na? kyA jalebI nahIM khAte? phira hAphUsa ke Ama nahIM khAte? ye saba nahIM khAte? yaha sArA vilAsa hI hai na! isameM kauna sA vilAsa nahIM hai? ye sabhI jIvavilAsa haiN| koI vilAsa gAr3ha hotA hai aura koI z2arA halkA hotA hai| praznakartA : Adata aura prakRti meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : Adata, vaha zuruAta hai| agara Apa Adata nahIM DAlo to prakRti vaisI hI rahatI hai| agara Adata DAlate ho to phira prakRti AdatavAlI bana jAtI hai| agara Apa bAra-bAra cAya mA~gate raho, to phira Adata par3a jAtI hai| pahale 'Apa' Adata DAlate ho aura phira Adata par3a jAtI hai| Adata DAlane aura Adata par3a jAne meM pharka hai? hA~? jaba Adata DAla rahe hoM to chUTa sakatI hai aura agara Adata par3a jAe to vaha nahIM chuutttii| praznakartA : prakRti to janma se hI lekara AtA hai, aisA nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : hA~, janma se hI lekara AyA hai, aura janma se hI hai yh| 'janma se hI lekara AyA hai,' matalaba yaha nahIM hai ki vaha janma se hI sthUla

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[1.3] prakRti jaise banI hai usI anusAra khulatI hai 27 meM lekara AyA hai| janma ke samaya to vaha paramANu ke rUpa meM hotA hai, aura rUpaka meM seTaapa yahA~ Ane para hotA hai| nahIM badalatI prakRti kI sTAila praznakartA : hamArA prakRti kA jo svabhAva hai, vaha kisa taraha se halkA par3a sakatA hai? kyoMki isa prakRti kA aisA hai ki khuda ko patA calatA hai ki yaha baMdhana hai| udAharaNa ke taura para, kisI ko mircI khAne kI Adata ho yA phira kisI ko mIThA khAne kI Adata hotI hai, jisa kI vajaha se niyama meM nahIM rahA jA sktaa| dAdAzrI : niyama se bAhara gaI huI ho yA niyamavAlI ho, lekina prakRti phala detI hai| bhale hI niyama se bAhara gaI huI ho, lekina DiscArja hai na sbkuch| ataH aisA nahIM rahanA cAhie yA rahanA cAhie, vaisA nahIM hai| jaisI hai vaisI dikhAI detI hai| prakRti meM jaisA svabhAva hai vaise hI svabhAva kA vaha pradarzana karatI rahatI hai, nirNtr| DiscArja arthAt kyA? prakRti khuda ke svabhAva kA pradarzana karatI rahatI hai| jo cArja ho cukA hai, vaha DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| yaha deha isa taraha se cArja ho cukI hai isalie calate samaya aise-aise calatA hai aura assI sAla kA hone para bhI vaise hI calatA hai| tarIkA (sTAila) nahIM bdltaa| usa para se hama pahacAna jAte haiM ki vaha vyakti jA rahA hai! aura ye tIna cArja ho cakI baiTariyA~, inameM badalAva nahIM ho sktaa| inameM badalAva agale janma meM hotA hai| vahA~ para yaha sAMsArika jJAna kAma meM AtA hai, apanA jJAna nhiiN| usa anusAra badalAva ho jAtA hai| prakRti niyamavAlI hai| niyama ke binA to koI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| niyamavAlA jagat hai| sirpha yaha igoiz2ama hI Ter3hA hai| igo hI Ter3hA hai, bAkI pUrI hI niyamavAlI hai| yaha igo, niyamavAlI ko aniyamavAlI kara detA hai| kahegA, 'mujhe cAya garama hI cAhie' aura phira logoM ke sAtha bAteM karatA rahatA hai aura cAya ThaMDI ho jAtI hai| are bhAI, jaldI se pI le nA cupacApa!

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) bAda meM bAta krnaa| lekina yaha igo aisA pAgala hai| mana kA svabhAva aisA nahIM hai, igo kA hai| mana to pUrNa niyamavAlA hai| jAgRti lAtI hai prakRti ko niyama meM praznakartA : arthAt jJAna kI jAgRti rahe to prakRti apane Apa niyama meM AtI jAtI hai| kyA yaha bAta sahI hai? dAdAzrI : ApakI bhI prakRti niyama meM AtI jA rahI hai, varnA taba taka jJAna utara hI nahIM sakatA! jJAna aMdara utara cukA ho to prakRti niyama meM Ane lagatI hai phir| praznakartA : arthAt niyamitatAvAlI prakRti ho, to usameM aura jJAna meM koI saMbaMdha hai kyA? niyamita prakRti apane jJAna meM kucha helpa karatI hai kyA? zrImad rAjacaMdra kA bhI eka vAkya hai; deha niyamitatAvAlA honA cAhie, vANI syAdvAda honI caahie| arthAt niyamitatA ko bahuta mahatva diyA gayA hai| aura abhI Apane bhI kahA ki aMjIra niyama anusAra lI jAe to acchA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, to acchA hai na! praznakartA : hA~, to prakRti kA yaha jo niyama hai, vaha vyavahAra ko sparza karatA hai, aba vaha jJAna meM kisa taraha se madadagAra hai? dAdAzrI : niyama vAlI prakRti vyavahAra ko helpa karatI hai na aura vyavahAra ko helpa kare na, to jJAna meM helpa rahatI hai| niyama ke binA rahe to phira jJAna meM helpa rahegI hI nahIM na! niyama rahanA caahie| aisA nahIM kahate haiM apane yahA~ ki niyama honA caahie| yadi ho sakA to ThIka hai, usakA Agraha nahIM hai| praznakartA : aba yaha niyama kyA honA cAhie, ise bhI jAnanA z2arUrI hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha zarIra para AdhArita hai na! khuda niyama jAnatA hai ki

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[1.3] prakRti jaise banI hai usI anusAra khulatI hai mujhase do roTiyA~ khAI jAe~gI / usane do kA niyama pakkA kiyA phira kabhI koI bahuta dabAva DAle to AdhI z2yAdA le letA hai| 29 praznakartA : arthAt isa taraha se kauna-kauna sI mukhya cIz2eM niyamavAlI honI cAhie? dAdAzrI : hara eka cIz2a / niyama se khAnA cAhie, niyamapUrvaka / phira agara nahIM khA pAe taba kyA karanA cAhie? rone nahIM baiThanA cAhie / khAnA-pInA, uThanA-sonA mukhya yahI haiM na ! inameM se kauna sA nikAla doge? sabakucha niyamita rakhane jaisA hai| kudarata kA niyama arthAt jaise subaha uThe to saMDAsa-vaMDAsa vagairaha sabhI jaisA usane niyama banAyA ho usa anusAra seTa ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : prakRti kA jo svabhAva hai aura niyama, ye donoM cIjeM alaga huI? dAdAzrI : alaga hI haiM na ! hebicyueTeDa ho jAe to vaha svabhAva kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : haaN| sAre hebicyueTeDa ko svabhAva kahA hai Apane, to usa svabhAva meM se niyama meM AnA, aisA koI puruSArtha hotA hai? dAdAzrI : niyama meM hI hotA hai svabhAva / eka iMsAna ko khaTTI cIz2a nahIM bhAtI / use hama agara sau rUpaye deM to bhI vaha khaTTA nahIM khaaegaa| eka dUsare iMsAna ko khaTTA bhAtA ho to vaha sAmane se pA~ca rUpae dekara bhI khA jaaegaa| praznakartA : haaN| use prakRti kA svabhAva kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : ye saba svabhAva kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : aura svabhAva niyamapUrvaka hI hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : niyama ke anusAra hotA hai / praznakartA : lekina aba khaTTe khAne kI mAtrA seTa karanA hai| kitanA

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30 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) khaTTA khAnA cAhie aura kitanA nahIM khAnA cAhie vaha niyama kahalAtA hai dAdAzrI : ye sabhI niyama hai| vaha apanA kAma hai| vaha to apanA jJAna kAma karatA rahatA hai| prakRti ke sAmane jAgRti praznakartA : Apa jo kahate haiM ki, 'kArya karate jAo,' usake bajAya 'kArya hone do' vaha ThIka hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| 'kArya karate jAo' aisA kahane kA apanA bhAvArtha kyA hai ki prakRti meM jo kArya hai, usa kArya ko calane do| Apa oNbasTrakTa mata kro| Apa to apane prayAsa meM hI rho| praznakartA : kahane kA matalaba yaha hai ki jo ho hI rahA hai, use hama 'aisA karo' kahate haiM lekina vaha ho hI rahA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha ho hI rahA hai, lekina oNbasTrakTa nahIM karane ke lie hama kahate haiM 'kro'| 'aba kucha bhI karane jaisA nahIM hai, ise oNbasTrakzana kahate haiN| 'sabakucha ho hI rahA hai, aba kucha bhI karane jaisA nahIM hai' aisA nahIM kahanA caahie| prakRti ko prakRti kI taraha calane do, Apa dekhate rho| isIlie aisA kahate haiM na ki 'khullI A~khoM se gAr3I calAo!' baMda A~khoM se gAr3iyA~ calAte haiM kyA loga? baMda A~khoM se gAr3iyA~ calAI jAtI hoMgI kahIM? usI taraha ise jAgRti se calAnA hai (jJAna dshaa)| jJAna lene ke bAda meM gAr3I baMda ho jAe to henDala lagAnA caahie| pahale henDalavAlI gAr3I AtI thI na, gAr3I baMda ho gaI ki phira se henDala mArakara gAr3I cAlU kara dete the| ataH AtmA ko henDala mAro aura pudgala ko breka mata lgaao| pudgala ko breka lagA dete haiM kaI loga ki aisA nahIM kaheMge to calegA' breka nahIM lagAnA caahie| pudgala ko usake miz2Aja meM hI calane denA caahie| breka nahIM lagAnA cAhie ki 'vyavasthita' hai na! 'aisA hai aura vaisA hai|' breka lagAne kI z2arUrata kyA

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[1.3] prakRti jaise banI hai usI anusAra khulatI hai hai? vaha apane miz2Aja meM itanI acchI taraha se calegI, bilkula sahI clegii| praznakartA : hA~, aura AtmA ko henDala mAranA cAhie? dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA ko henDala mAranA cAhie aura pudgala ko breka nahIM lagAnA caahie| kaI loga pudgala ko breka lagAte haiN| vyavasthita hI hai na! to phira bhAI, breka laga jAegA usase to! ho jAne ke bAda vyavasthita kahanA hai| taba taka gAr3I ko calane hI do apane Apa aura pudgala ko to calane hI do jahA~ jAe vhaaN| jaise bhI jA rahA hai, breka mata lagAo kyoMki sirpha use dekhate rahanA hai| lagAne se breka lagegA nahIM aura TakarA jAegA balki, TakarAva hai yh| breka lagane se TakarA jAegA, basa itanA hI hai| usameM aura koI badalAva nahIM ho sakegA aura AtmA ko henDala mAranA arthAt upayoga, jAgRti rakho z2arA, dhImA huA ki jAgRta huA, dhImA huA aura jAgRta huaa| praznakartA : saba aisA kahate haiM ki Disiplina honA caahie| isa taraha se Disiplina kA breka lagAnA cAhie, usakA kyA? dAdAzrI : apane mahAtmAoM ke lie to hamane pA~ca AjJA hI dI huI haiN| mahAtmAoM ke lie isameM se kucha bhI hai hI nhiiN| yaha saba jo kahA hai na, vaha bAhara ke logoM ke lie sikhAyA hai| praznakartA : apane mahAtmA aisA kahate haiM ki Disiplina honA cAhie, aisA honA caahie| dAdAzrI : ve to boleMge ab| vaha to unake pAsa jo mAla bharA huA hogA, vaha bola rahA hai aura usane bhI Disiplina nahIM rakhA ho to vaha vaisA bolatA hai| usakA prazna nahIM hai| kaisA mAla bharA hai, usakA hameM kyA patA cale? taraha-taraha ke mAla bharakara lAe haiM aura bharA huA mAla nikalatA rahatA hai| agara ina pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana kara rahA hai, to hamArI aura koI zarta hai hI nhiiN| use jahA~ ThIka lage vahA~ ghUme na! aura jo khAnA ho vaha

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) khaanaa| yaha to AjJA meM z2arA kacce par3a jAte haiM, isIlie henDala mArane ko z2arA z2yAdA kahanA par3atA hai| 'oNphisa nahIM jAe~ge to calegA,' agara aisA kaheM to phira ulTA hogA lekina agara aisA boleM hI nahIM to vaha oNphisa jAtA hI rhegaa| isameM henDala nahIM ghumAnA pdd'taa| isameM agara breka nahIM mAreMge to calatA rhegaa| praznakartA : isI taraha ina pA~ca AjJA meM nahIM rahane ke lie kyA breka laga jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : breka to dUsare lagAe hue haiM isne| 'aisA nahIM kare to kyA harja hai, aisA ho jAe to kyA harja hai?' isa taraha ke breka lagAe hue haiN| breka uThAe nahIM haiM na abhI tk| ve breka to lage hI rahate haiN| vaise breka lagAe hue hI rahate haiN| vaha saba to calatA hI rahatA hai usakA, breka nahIM mAro to calatA hI rahegA, aura breka mana se nahIM lagate, vANI se laga jAte haiN| agara vANI se boleM, tabhI, varnA breka nahIM khlaataa| mana meM kharAba vicAra hoM to breka nahIM kahalAtA! praznakartA : aba agara koI kAma ho aura kahe ki 'maiM yaha kAma nahIM karU~gA, maiM yaha kAma nahIM karU~gA' to kyA breka laga gayA? dAdAzrI : breka laga jAtA hai aura phira vaha breka lagA hI rahatA hai| jaba taka vaha uThAe nahIM, taba taka ve breka ghisate hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : phira bhI vyavasthita to vaha kAma karavAtA hI rahatA hai n| dAdAzrI : karavAtA hai lekina phira bhI breka lage rahate haiN| lagAe hue breka bigar3ate hI rahate haiN| ve sabhI breka uThA dene caahie|

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho isameM doSita kauna? prakRti to sahaja hai, lekina buddhi dakhala karatI hai| prakRti ko paMkhA mAphika nahIM AtA to usameM paMkhe kA kyA doSa hai? prakRti kA kyA doSa hai? doSa dikhanA buddhi ke adhIna hai, vaha AtmA ke adhIna nahIM hai| saMjogAnusAra prakRti banatI hai aura prakRti ke anusAra saMsAra calatA hai| isameM kisakA doSa dekhanA hai? ye sabhI prAkRta doSa haiN| inako cetana ke doSa mAnate haiM isIlie to yaha saMsAra kAyama hai| vAstava meM koI doSita hai hI nhiiN| jaba prakRti karatI hai, usa samaya AtmA mAlika nahIM rhtaa| prakRti banate samaya AtmA bhrAMti se mAlika bana jAtA hai aura chUTate samaya AtmA mAlika nahIM rhtaa| prakRti arthAt kyA? tU bAvar3I meM bole ki 'tU nAlAyaka hai|' to usase phira prakRti bana jAtI hai aura phira vaha bolatI hai vahI prakRti hai| jaba vaha prakRti bolatI hai taba hameM bAvar3I ke pratispaMdana kA patA nahIM calatA ki pahale kyA kahA thA hamane? ataH yaha saba prakRti ke doSa haiN| prakRti kisa taraha badalI jA sakatI hai? praznakartA : barasoM se jo prakRti svabhAva par3a cukA ho, vaha kisa taraha badalA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : apanI prakRti ko hama jAneM ki isa prakRti meM ye galatiyA~ haiM itanA jAneM to basa ho gayA, isI ko badalanA kahate haiN| bhUla ko bhUla

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34 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) samajho to bahuta ho gyaa| bhUla ko bhUla samajhanA, vahI bar3A puruSArtha hai| prakRti to rahatI hai, prakRti badalatI nahIM hai, bhAI! jo bana cukI hai, vaha prakRti jAtI nahIM hai| praznakartA : prakRti ko dekhane se kyA prakRti ke doSa kama ho jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : usake alAvA aura koI rAstA nahIM hai na! apanI bhAvanA nikAlane kI ho to kama ho jAtI hai aura nikAlane kI bhAvanA nahIM ho to rahatI hai| praznakartA : lekina prakRti meM to kaI acche guNa bhI haiM aura kaI kharAba bhI haiN| dAdAzrI : sabhI nikAlane hoM to sabhI nikAlanA, nahIM to sirpha kucha kharAba nikAlanA jo ki Apake lie du:khadAI hoN| hotA hai, prakRti ke anusAra __ anyathA bAkI saba to hara eka kI prakRti ke anusAra hotA hai| jisakI jaisI prakRti usI taraha se karanA hai| sabhI loga kahIM gIta nahIM gAnevAle haiM, vaha to koI gAyaka ho to gIta gaaegaa| hara koI apanI prakRti ke anusAra kAma karatA hai| usameM bhalA kyA bhUla nikAlanI? vaha apanI kuzalatA ke anusAra karatA hai| hara koI apanI kuzalatA ke anusAra kAma karatA hai| khuda kI Diz2Aina ke anusAra nahIM karavA sakate ki 'merI Diz2Aina' ke anusAra hI tujhe 'calanA par3egA,' aisA niyama nahIM hai| apanI-apanI prakRti ke anusAra kAma kara rahe haiM to, usameM bhUla kahA~ huI? kyA yaha nyAyAdhIza kA DipArTamenTa hai? hara koI apanI prakRti ke anusAra kAma kara rahA hai| maiM bhI apanI prakRti anusAra kAma karatA rahatA huuN| prakRti to rahatI hI hai na! praznakartA : vahI bhUla jAte haiM ki sAmanevAlA vyakti kartA nahIM hai|

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho dAdAzrI : haaN| isa kI jAgRti rahe to koI parezAnI nahIM hai| sAmanevAle kI bhUla dekhI to vahIM se nayA saMsAra khar3A ho jAtA hai| to jaba taka vaha bhUla khatma nahIM hotI taba taka usakA niber3A nahIM aataa| iMsAna ulajhA rahatA hai| hameM to eka kSaNa ke lie bhI kisI kI bhUla nahIM dikhI hai aura agara dikha jAe to hama mu~ha para kaha dete haiN| chupAnA nahIM hai, mu~ha para hI ki 'bhAI, hameM aisI bhUla dikha rahI hai| Apako z2arUrata ho to svIkAra lenA nahIM to eka tarapha rakha denaa|' praznakartA : vaha to Apa usake kalyANa ke lie kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA use sAvadhAna karane ke lie kahate haiM, to niber3A AegA na aura phira agara vaha nahIM mAne to bhI hameM koI parezAnI nahIM hai| hameM bilkula bhI parezAnI nahIM, vaha bilkula nahIM mAne taba bhii| hama kahate haiM, 'aisA karanA' aura phira agara vaha nahIM mAne to koI bAta nhiiN| praznakartA : Apako kucha bhI nahIM? dAdAzrI : maiM jAnatA hU~ ki vaha kisa AdhAra para bola rahA hai! udayakarma ke AdhAra para bola rahA hai| usakI icchA thor3e hI merI AjJA bhaMga karane kI? usakI icchA hI nahIM hai na! isalie hameM gunAha nahIM lgtaa| vaha udayakarma ke AdhAra para bole taba use moDanA par3atA hai hmeN| jaba prakRti biphara jAe taba hameM paraheja kara denA par3atA haiN| khuda kA to saMpUrNa ahita karatA hai, bAkI saba kA bhI kara detA hai| bAkI, sAmAnya rUpa se prakRti galatiyA~ karatI hI haiN| duniyA meM to ye saba prakRtiyA~ hI haiM! jitane vikalpa utane hI stara prakRti ke praznakartA : jo prakRti zAMta dikhatI hai vaha sapresDa hotI hai yA belensDa hotI hai? dAdAzrI : tez2a dikhanevAlI prakRti hotI hai na, vaha bhI belensDa

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36 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kahalAtI hai aura jo zAMta dikhanevAlI prakRti hotI hai na, vaha bhI belensDa kahalAtI hai| sapresa nahIM khlaatii| sapresa kA lenA-denA nahIM hai| kucha logoM ko to, cA~TA lagAne para bhI zAMta dikhatA hai| arthAt vaha koI sapresa nahIM hai, aura bahAdura bhI nahIM hai| vaha jJAna se nahIM hai, usakI prakRti hI aisI hai| praznakartA : to prakRti ke kitane stara hote haiM, dAdA? dAdAzrI : basa, jitane prakAra ke vikalpa haiM, utane hI prakAra ke prakRti ke stara hote haiN| bipharI huI prakRti ke sahaja hone para bar3he zakti praznakartA : dAdA ne aisA kahA hai ki bipharI huI prakRti sahaja ho jAe, taba zakti bar3hane lagatI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, zakti khUba bar3hatI hai| praznakartA : aisA kisa taraha se hotA hai? dAdAzrI : bipharI huI prakRti yadi sahaja ho jAe na, to ekadama se zakti utpanna hotI hai| khUba khIMcatI haiM bAhara se sArI zaktiyoM ko| haoNTa (garama) lohA hotA hai na, usa haoNTa lohe ke gole para pAnI DAleM to kyA hotA hai? sArA pI jAtA hai, nIce nahIM girane detA, eka bhI buuNd| usI taraha jo prakRti aisI bipharI huI hotI hai na, vaha haoNTa gole jaisI hotI hai| phira jaise-jaise ThaMDI par3atI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise usakI zakti bar3hatI jAtI hai| Akhira to donoM hI haiM vItarAga sAmanevAle kI prakRti ko pahacAna jAe~ to usake sAtha vItarAgatA rahatI hai ki yaha gulAba kA paudhA hai aura kA~Te laga rahe haiM, to gulAba meM kA~TeM hote hI haiM aisA pakkA ho jAtA hai| usake bAda kA~ToM para gussA nahIM aataa| agara hameM gulAba cAhie to kA~Te sahane hI pdd'eNge| prakRti kI pahacAna honA, vaha jJAna hai aura jJAna ho gayA to vartana meM AegA hI, bs|

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho arthAt agara prakRti ko hama pahacAna gae ki isa vyakti meM yaha guNa hai, to phira usake sAtha vItarAgatA rhegii| hama jAnate haiM ki yaha isakA doSa nahIM hai, yaha to usakI prakRti hI aisI hai ! 37 ataH agara kisI kA bhI doSa dikhe to vaha apanA hI doSa hai / apanA vijJAna aisA kahatA hai ki kisI bhI vyakti kA doSa dikhe to vaha ApakA hI doSa hai| Apake doSa kI vajaha se yaha riekzana AyA hai| AtmA bhI vItarAga hai aura prakRti bhI vItarAga hai, lekina Apa jaisA doSa nikAlate ho, vaisA hI usakA riekzana AtA hai| puruSa vItarAga hai aura prakRti bhI vItarAga hai / puruSa ke sAtha rahane ke bAvajUda bhI vItarAga rahI hai kyoMki yaha prakRti jar3a hai na! vaha cetana nahIM hai| vaha svabhAvika rUpa se vItarAga hai / jisa prakAra se AtmA svabhAvika rUpa se vItarAga hai usI taraha yaha bhI svabhAvika rUpa se vItarAga hai / praznakartA : prakRti kI vItarAgatA aura AtmA kI vItarAgatA meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : donoM meM koI pharka nahIM hai lekina Aja AtmA (vyavahAra arthAt) vItarAgatA meM nahIM hai / ata: yaha prakRti dakhala karatI hai / isIlie prakRti apanA riekzana detI hai, basa ! varnA prakRti apane Apa kucha bhI nahIM karatI hai| prakRti ko aise mor3ate haiM jJAnI loga samajhate haiM ki dAdA kamare meM jAkara ArAma se so jAte haiM, usa bAta meM mAla nahIM hai| padmAsana lagAkara eka ghaMTe taka, vaha bhI isa satahattara sAla kI umra meM padmAsana lagAkara baiThatA hU~ / paira bhI mur3a jAte haiM aura isIlie A~khoM kI zakti, A~khoM kA prakAza, vagairaha saba banA huA hai / kyoMki prakRti kI maiMne kabhI bhI niMdA nahIM kI hai / kabhI usakI niMdA nahIM kii| usakA apamAna nahIM kiyaa| loga niMdA karake apamAna karate haiM / prakRti jIvita hai, usakA apamAna karoge to usakA asara hogaa| isakA (jar3a kA ) apamAna karane se asara hotA hai / kyA asara hotA hai? to vaha yaha ki, usakA pratyAghAta

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38 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) Apako hI lagatA hai| prakRti thor3I jIvita hai, mizracetana, ataH thor3A kama pratyAghAta lagatA hai| isalie apamAna to karanA hI nahIM caahie| harja nahIM hai galatI hone meM, lekina harja hai anajAna rahane meM! maiM jAnatA hU~ ki abhI bhI bhUleM vaisI kI vaisI haiN| yaha tere lakSa (jAgRti) meM AtA hai kyA? praznakartA : pUrNa lakSa meM hai lekina nikala jAtA hai| bhUla ho jAne ke bAda meM lagatA hai ki 'hA~, nikala gyaa|' dAdAzrI : to koI harja nhiiN| praznakartA : aura dAdA ulAhanA deMge aisA bhI patA calatA hai| dAdAzrI : ulAhanA deMge vaha bhI patA calatA hai kyoMki agara bhUla ho jAe to use hama jAnate haiM, aura vaha phira alaga hai| jo prakRti hai vahI nikalanevAlI hai| usameM to calegA hI nhiiN| hama ulAhanA isalie dete haiM ki ajAgRta rahate ho yA jAgRta rahate ho? bhUla ho jAe to usameM harja nahIM hai| jisa bhUla ko Apa jAna jAoge to sudhAra loge, vaha bar3I cIz2a hai| bhUla to prakRti se hotI hai| prakRti kI bhUla ko, doSa ko doSa nahIM khte| bhUla ko jAnoM to Apa judA ho vaha taya ho gyaa| praznakartA : isameM hameM patA bhI nahIM calatA lekina apane Apa hI bAda meM jo jAgRti A jAtI hai, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : bAda meM jAgRti AnA ThIka nahIM hai, lekina agara bhUla ho rahI ho aura sAtha meM jAgRti bhI rahe to vaha jAgRti phula jAgRti kahalAtI praznakartA : lekina apane Apa hI bAda meM jAgRti A jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to apane Apa hI AegI na para, usI ko AtmA kahate haiN| lekina agara sAtha meM Ae to vaha ekz2ekTa kahalAtA hai|

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho praznakartA : kyoMki aisA koI henDala nahIM mArA hai yA aisA kucha kiyA nahIM hai phira bhI aMdara se dikhAtA hai ki yaha bhUla ho gaI, gaI / bhUla ho 39 dAdAzrI : AtmA alaga hai| aisA pramANita ho gayA na! aba judA ho gayA hai, usI kA pramANa hai na yaha! zuddhAtmA dekhane se bAgha bhI ahiMsaka praznakartA : khuda kI prakRti ko sAmanevAle kI prakRti ke sAtha eDajasTa karanA usake bajAya aba yadi 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura sAmanevAle ko yadi zuddhAtmA dekhU~ to kyA prakRti apane Apa hI eDajasTa ho jAegI? dAdAzrI : ho hI jaaegii| parezAna kiyA jAe to prakRti virodha karegI, varnA itane acche - sahaja bhAva meM A jAtI hai| khuda asahaja huA hai na, isIlie prakRti virodha karatI hai| praznakartA : lekina jisane jJAna liyA hai usakI prakRti sahaja ho jAtI hai, lekina agara sAmanevAle ne nahIM liyA ho to usakI thor3e hI sahaja ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : lekina jJAnavAlA dUsaroM kI prakRti ke sAtha AsAnI se kAma kara sakatA hai| agara vaha dUsarA bIca meM dakhalaMdAz2I na kare to| praznakartA : do loga Amane-sAmane hoM, eka ne dAdA kA jJAna liyA hai ataH vaha isa prakAra jJAna meM rahakara khuda kI prakRti sahaja karatA jAtA hai, pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karake / lekina sAmane jo vyakti hai, jisane dAdA kA jJAna nahIM liyA hai, to usakI prakRti kisa prakAra se sahaja hogI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai / praznakartA : aba agara usakI prakRti sahaja nahIM hogI to kyA hameM koI parezAnI nahIM hogI? dAdAzrI : hamAre lie to ye pA~ca AjJA haiM na, ye sephasAiDa hai

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40 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ApakI, hara prakAra se| agara usameM Apa rahoge na, to koI bhI Apako parezAna nahIM kara skegaa| bAgha-siMha, kucha bhI nhiiN| bAgha ko jitanA samaya Apa zuddhAtmA kI taraha dekhoge, utane samaya taka vaha apanA pAzavI dharma, pazuyoni kA jo dharma hai use bhUla jaaegaa| vaha apanA dharma bhUla gayA to ho cukA! kucha bhI nahIM kregaa| praznakartA : to sAmanevAle meM zuddhAtmA dekhane se usameM koI parivartana AtA hogA? dAdAzrI : oNpha korsa, isIlie maiM kahatA hU~ ki ghara ke logoM ko zuddhAtmA ke rUpa meM dekho| kabhI dekhA hI nahIM na! Apa ghara meM ghusate hI bar3e beTe ko dekhate ho to yoM Apako dRSTi meM kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| dRSTi meM kaise ho, kaise nahIM, saba karate ho lekina aMdara kahate ho 'sAlA nAlAyaka hai' aisA dekhate ho to usakA asara hotA hai| yadi zuddhAtmA dekhoge to usakA bhI asara hotA hai| nirA asaravAlA hai yaha jgt| yaha itanA adhika iphekTiva hai ki pUcho mata! ye vidhiyA~ karate haiM, taba hama aisA hI karate haiN| asara rakhate haiN| viTAmina rakhate haiN| isalie itanI zakti utpanna huI, varnA zakti kaise A pAtI? maiM anaMta janmoM kI kamAI lekara AyA hU~ aura Apa yoM hI rAste calate A ge| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki hama zuddhAtmA ko zuddhAtmA kI taraha dekhate haiN| aMdara yaha zuddhAtmA to nirdoSa hai hI.... dAdAzrI : ve to bhagavAna hI haiN| praznakartA : lekina hameM usakI prakRti bhI nirdoSa dikhAI detI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha prakRti nirdoSa dikhAI denI caahie| praznakartA : aMta meM vaha prakRti bhI nirdoSa dikhAI degI to donoM eka jaise ho jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~ aura apanA mArga to yahA~ taka kahatA hai ki 'Apa

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho meM kapaTa ho to use bhI dekho,' jabaki kramika mArga meM kapaTa calegA hI nahIM na! ahaMkAra ko hI bilkula zuddha karate jAnA hai! vahA~ para calegA hI nhiiN| arthAt aise karate-karate agara do-tIna janmoM meM bhI khatma ho jAe to bhI bahuta ho gayA na! are, dasa janmoM meM ho jAe to bhI kyA nukasAna honevAlA hai? lekina doSita nahIM hai koI bhii| jJAnI kI dRSTi kI nirdoSatA praznakartA : nirdoSatA kise kahate haiM? koI bhI vyakti nirdoSa kaba dikhAI detA hai? nirdoSatA sahaja rUpa se hotI hai yA kaise? dAdAzrI : aba jaba hama saMpUrNa rUpa se nirdoSa ho jAe~ tabhI sAmanevAlA mujhe nirdoSa dikhAI degA, nahIM to nahIM dikhegaa| jaba taka hama doSita haiM, taba taka vaha doSita dikhAI detA hai| mujhe pUrA jagat nirdoSa hI dikhAI detA hai| mujhe arthAt maiM jaba dAdA bhagavAna ke rUpa meM rahatA hU~ na, taba pUrA jagat nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai aura agara kabhI 'aMbAlAla' meM A jAU~ usa samaya nirdoSa dikhatA z2arUra hai| pratiti meM rahatA hai lekina kabhI zAyada AcaraNa meM na bhI ho| usa samaya ApakI bhUla bhI nikAla letA huuN| bAkI, agara hameM nirdoSa hI dikheM to phira bhUla kahA~ se dikhAI degI? lekina phira vaha to bAda meM hamArA z2arA dho dete haiM na, turaMta hI, oNna da momenTa to sabakucha sApha, kliyara bhI dikhAI detA hai bIca meN| maiM kahIM ApakI prakRti ke doSa dekhane nahIM AyA hU~, maiM ApakI prakRti ko dekhane AyA huuN| nirIkSaNa karane AyA huuN| maiM ApakI prakRti aura merI prakRti ke, kisI ke bhI doSa dekhane nahIM AyA hU~, maiM to prakRti kA nirIkSaNa karane AyA huuN| dekhane aura jAnane AyA huuN| praznakartA : aura nirdoSatA kyA sahaja hotI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha sahaja ho tabhI use nirdoSa kahA jAegA, nahIM to nirdoSa nahIM kahA jA sktaa| asahaja huA arthAt dossit|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aba vaha jo Age kI bAta hai ki apane mahAtmA kyA karate haiM? baccoM ko DA~Tate haiM, aisA saba karate haiN| mahAtmA jAnate haiM ki 'yaha nirdoSa hai|' vaha bhI unakI lakSa (jAgRti) meM hai, AtmA ke rUpa meM nirdoSa hai lekina deha ke rUpa meM nahIM hai isalie DA~Ta bhI dete haiN| ve kaba taka DA~TeMge? jaba taka aisA abhiprAya hai ki 'maiM ise sudhArU,' tabhI tk| ataH sudhArane ke lie aisA saba karate haiN| ataH hama dUsaroM kI prakRti ko dekhate hI rahate haiN| lekina jo bilkula naz2adIka rahate hoM, ina nIrU bahana jaise, to unheM z2arA sudhArane kA bhAva raha gayA hai aura vaha galata hai| kabhI hama bola dete haiM, bhUla nikAla baiThate haiN| prakRti kI bhUla nahIM dekhanI caahie| jJAnI use kahate haiM... saMpUrNa jJAnI arthAt bhgvaan| bhagavAna kise kahate haiM ki prakRti ke doSoM ko dekheM hI nhiiN| hAlAMki hama nirdoSa to dekhate haiN| hameM koI doSita dikhAI hI nahIM detA, lekina thor3I sI bhI bhUla nahIM nikAlanI cAhie kisI kI bhii| unake hAtha se hama para aMgAre bhI gira jAe~ to bhI hameM bhUla nahIM dikhanI cAhie, lekina choTI-choTI bAtoM meM bhUla dikha jAtI hai ki inakA yaha doSa kaba nikalegA, mana meM aisA bhAva A jAtA hai lekina dhakelane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai prakRti ko| prakRti apanA rola adA kie binA rahegI nahIM aura ye saMsAra ke loga kyA karate haiM? sAmanevAle ko sudhArate haiM lekina ve khuda ke sau khokara sudhArate haiM use| lekina unake bApa ne bhI sau khoe the aura tabhI jAkara ye sudhare the| praznakartA : aba dAdA, ye jo sau ga~vAe, sau khokara bacce ko sudhArA to usane ve kauna se sau khoe? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke| lekina usake pitA ne bhI aise hI khoe the na! eka vyakti to aisA kaha rahA thA, 'samajhatA nahIM hai, maiM terA bApa hU~!' are ghanacakkara, kaisA paidA huA hai tU ! aisA bolA! aura vaha bhI kaoNlejiyana beTe se! are, kaisA phAdara hai ! phira maiMne bahuta DA~TA thaa| vaha bhI use samajhAne ke lie ki 'are, kyA bacce ke sAtha aise bAta karanI cAhie? ApakI kyA dazA hogI?' lekina hama to aise jJAnI haiM, hameM aisA saba nahIM kahanA cAhie!

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho hameM to nirdoSa dikhate haiM haMDreDa parasenTa, usameM do mata haiM hI nhiiN| pUre jagat ke jIvamAtra nirdoSa dikhate haiM, hameM bilkula bhI doSita nahIM dikhAI dete, Apako bhI doSita nahIM dikhAI dete lekina isameM Apake doSa DiscArja rUpa se baratate haiN| agara doSita dikhe to dveSa rahA aura jo dveSa hai use nikAlanA pdd'egaa| doSita jAno lekina mAno mata praznakartA : yAnI ki hara eka vyakti ko nirdoSa jAnanA hai, lekina mAnanA nahIM hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : nirdoSa mAnanA arthAt vaha abhiprAya huA, opiniyana huaa| hameM to sabhI ko nirdoSa jAnanA hai| praznakartA : aura agara doSita ho to doSita jAnanA hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, apane jJAna meM doSita nahIM, nirdoSa hI jAnanA hai| doSita koI hotA hI nahIM hai| doSita bhrAMta dRSTi se hai| bhrAMta dRSTi do bhAga kara detI hai| yaha doSita hai aura yaha nirdoSa hai| yaha pApI hai aura yaha puNyazAlI hai aura isa dRSTi se eka hI hai ki yaha nirdoSa hI hai aura usa para tAlA lagA diyA hai| yahA~ para buddhi ko bolane kA skopa hI nahIM rhaa| buddhi ko dakhala karane kA skopa hI nahIM rhaa| buddhi bahana vahA~ se vApasa calI jAtI hai ki apanA aba nahIM cala rahA, ghara clo| vaha thor3e hI ku~ArI hai? zAdI-zudA thI, to vApasa vahA~ apane sasurAla calI jAtI hai bhn| praznakartA : to phira dAdA, doSita bhI nahIM mAnanA hai, nirdoSa bhI nahIM mAnanA hai, nirdoSa jAnanA hai| dAdAzrI : sabhI kucha jAnanA hai, lekina doSita nahIM jAnanA hai| doSita jAneM taba to apanI dRSTi bigar3I huI hai, aura doSita ke sAtha 'caMdUbhAI' jo sira phor3I karatA hai use 'hameM dekhate rahanA hai| 'caMdUbhAI' ko (phAila naM-1 ko) 'hameM' rokanA nahIM hai| praznakartA : vaha kyA kara rahA hai, kyA sirpha yahI dekhate rahanA hai?

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44 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : basa, dekhate raho kyoMki doSita ke sAtha doSita apane Apa hI jhaMjhaTa karatA hai| lekina ye 'caMdUbhAI' bhI nirdoSa haiM aura vaha bhI nirdoSa hai| donoM lar3ate haiM lekina donoM hI nirdoSa haiN| praznakartA : agara caMdUbhAI doSita hoM, phira bhI sUkSma dRSTi se vaha nirdoSa hI hai| dAdAzrI : sUkSma dRSTi se vaha nirdoSa hI hai, lekina caMdUbhAI ke sAtha Apako jo kucha bhI karanA ho, vaha krnaa| bAkI, jagat ke saMbaMdha meM to maiM sabhI ko 'nirdoSa haiM,' aisA mAnane ko kahatA huuN| caMdUbhAI ko Apako TokanA par3egA ki 'aise caloge to nahIM clegaa| use zuddha phUDa denA hai| azuddha phUDa se yaha jo dazA ho gaI hai, to zuddha phUDa se usakA niber3A lAne kI z2arUrata hai|' praznakartA : vaha kucha ulTA-sIdhA kare to pratikramaNa karane ko kahanA par3egA? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha sabhI kucha kahanA pdd'egaa| use bhI kaha sakate haiM, 'Apa nAlAyaka ho'| sirpha caMdUbhAI ke lie hI, auroM ke lie nahIM, kyoMki vaha ApakI phAila naMbara-1 hai, ApakI khuda kI hai| dUsaroM ke lie nhiiN| praznakartA : agara phAila naM-1 doSita ho to use doSita mAnanA aura DA~TanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : ddaaNttnaa| prejuDisa bhI rakhanA usa para ki 'tU aisA hI hai, maiM jAnatA huuN|' use DA~TanA bhI sahI kyoMki hameM usakA niber3A lAnA hai ab| pakar3A gayA asala gunahagAra praznakartA : lekina agara ye dUsare bhAI hoM, phAila naM-10vIM, to unheM doSita nahIM dekhanA hai, vaha nirdoSa hI hai| aisA? dAdAzrI : nirdoss| are, apanI phAila naM-2 bhI nirdoSa hai! kyoMki

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[1.4] prakRti ko nirdoSa dekho gunAha kyA thA? ki sabhI ko doSita dekhA aura ina caMdUbhAI (phAila naM - 1) kA doSa nahIM dekhaa| usa gunAha kA riekzana AyA hai yh| ataH gunahagAra pakar3A gyaa| anya koI gunahagAra hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : saba ulTA dekhA hai| dAdAzrI : ulTA hI dekhA hai, aba sIdhA dekhA hai| bAta ko sirpha samajhanA hI hai| kucha karanA nahIM hai| vItarAgoM kI bAta ko sirpha samajhanA hI hotA haiM, karanA kucha nahIM hotaa| vItarAga kitane samajhadAra the! yadi karanA ho to iMsAna thaka jAe becArA! praznakartA : aura yadi karegA to vApasa baMdhana AegA na? dAdAzrI : hA~! karanA, vahI baMdhana hai| kucha bhI karanA, vaha baMdhana hai| mAlA pherI, to bhI baMdhana hai lekina vaha saba ke lie nhiiN| bAhara ke logoM ke lie kaha sakate haiM ki mAlA pheranA kyoMki unakA vyApAra baMdhanavAlA hai|

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[ 1.5 ] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva eka hI vAkya se mokSamArga koI kahe ki 'mujhe bhagavAna dikhAie', to hama kaheMge ki 'usake sabhI prakRti svabhAva ghaTA ( mAinasa kara) de to vaha khuda bhagavAna hI hai / ' praznakartA : vaha ghaTAne kI mukhya cIz2a hai dAdA ? dAdAzrI : pahale yaha taya kara ki inameM bhagavAna hai| usake bAda yaha jAna ki ghaTAnA kisa taraha se hai ? praznakartA : janma janmAMtara kI sAdhanA ho, taba jAkara ghaTAnA AtA hai| dAdAzrI : AtA hai lekina ghaTAnA AsAna nahIM hai| praznakartA : Apane to kaha diyA ki ghaTA do, lekina kisa taraha ghaTAnA hai ? prakRti to jar3a hai / dAdAzrI : jar3a hai phira bhI kriyAvAna hai aura kar3ave-mIThe phala denevAlI hai| loga kahate haiM ki 'jo mIThe haiM, unheM maiMne mIThA banAyA hai aura kar3ave mere nahIM haiN|' lekina mIThe aura kar3ave donoM prakRti hI haiM / jise naye phala utpanna nahIM karane haiM, vaha AtmA hai| ataH prAkRta svabhAva ko ghaTA karake dekho, bhagavAna dikheNge| bhagavAna to jo aMdara prakaTa hue haiM, ve haiM / yaha to prakRti dikhAI detI hai I praznakartA : Apa prakRti ke svabhAva ko ghaTAne ko kahate haiN| prakRti

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva 47 ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahA jA sakatA hai, lekina bAkI kaise aura kisa meM se karanA dAdAzrI : sAmanevAlA yadi hameM gAliyA~ de to ye gAliyA~ bhagavAna nahIM de rahe haiM, yaha to prakRti svabhAva ise gAliyA~ de rahA hai| itanA ghaTA deM to (usameM) bhagavAna dikhAI deNge| tamAma prakAra ke prakRti svabhAva ghaTA deM to bhagavAna dikhAI deNge| itanA vAkya yadi kabhI hotA na to ye jo kitane hI sAdhu haiM, ye sabhI mokSamArga para cala pdd'te| agara itanI hI milAvaTa rahita bAta kisI ne kahI hotI to! isase janma lete haiM prAkRta guNa lauMga mIThe lageM, to kyA kahate ho? mu~ha ko svAdiSTa lageM to? vikArI ho gayA hai yaha, mUla svabhAva meM nahIM hai| agara karele mIThe ho jAe~ to khAoge? 'nahIM! kar3ave hI caahie|' kahatA hai| z2arA phIke hoM to calA leMge, lekina mIThe to chUe~ge hI nhiiN| hara cIz2a apane-apane svabhAva meM hotI hai| isa jagat meM koI bhI cIz2a apanA svabhAva chor3atI nahIM hai| isIlie kaI loga kahate haiM na, 'machalI hameM priya hai|' are machalI meM kyA sukha milatA hai? to jaise apanI sabjI-bhAjI meM saba alaga-alaga lagatA hai, vaisA hI? hara eka cIz2a ke paramANuoM meM pharka hai, isalie svAda meM pharka hai| agara abhI roTI banAe~ ATha bajakara dasa minaTa para aura phira ATha bajakara paMdraha minaTa para banAe~ to donoM ke svAda meM pharka hogA kyoMki TAima cenja ho gayA na! usameM bhAva kama-z2yAdA par3atA hai, ATA vahI kA vahI hai| praznakartA : ATe ke paramANuoM meM bhI parivartana hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI TAima limiTa! ATA, pAnI vagairaha, yAnI ki hara eka cIz2a meM parivartana hotA rahatA hai aura phira apane loga kahate haiM, 'nahIMnahIM, roTI vahI kI vahI hai|' are, nahIM hai! hara eka roTI alaga hotI haiN| TAima alaga hai na!

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : nahIM, lekina karele hamezA kar3ave hI nikalate haiM aura yaha jo Ama hotA hai, vaha khaTTA yA mIThA nikalatA hai| 48 dAdAzrI : Ama khaTTA ho to bhI loga use galata nahIM mAnate, mIThA nikale to bhI galata nahIM mAnate, lekina agara tIkhA nikale to ? 'pheMka deMge' kaheMge, 'isameM kucha ho gayA hai, kucha naI hI taraha kA hai / ' khaTTA nikale to samajhate haiM ki khaTTA hai / praznakartA : nahIM, lekina ye saba usake guNadharma haiN| nIma kar3avA hI nikalatA hai| lekina iMsAnoM meM aisA saba cenja hotA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : iMsAnoM meM bhI ye sArI prakRtiyoM ko pahacAnanA A jAe na, to phira hama samajha jAe~ge ki 'yaha nIma hai, ise chU sakate haiM / isake nIce baiTha sakate haiM lekina isake patte mu~ha meM nahIM DAla skte|' kyA nIma ke nIce nahIM baiThate haiM loga? praznakartA : hA~, baiThate haiN| ThaMDaka lete haiN| dAdAzrI : are, usake patte lekara aise-aise bhI karate haiN| aise sU~ghate haiM lekina mu~ha meM nahIM DAlate / jAnate haiM ki kar3avA hI hai, janma se hI kar3avA hai / manuSya kI prakRti aisI nahIM hai / kaI bAra jo prakRti kar3avI hotI hai na, vaha kucha umra bItane para mIThI ho jAtI hai| I praznakartA : badala jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : kyoMki manuSya badalatA huA hai| evara cenjiMga hai| aura ina logoM(per3a-paudhoM) meM jo cenja hai vaha sirpha eka janma meM phala dene ke lie hI hai| jabaki hama (manuSya) to phala bhI dete haiM aura karma baMdhana bhI karate haiN| isalie hama aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki yaha hamezA ke lie cora hai| praznakartA : nIma hamezA hI kar3avA rahegA, kyA aisA kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN|

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva praznakartA : aura iMsAna hamezA kar3avA hI rahegA, aisA nahIM kaha skte| 49 dAdAzrI : nahIM! hameM pahacAna lenA cAhie ki isa vyakti meM kyA hai? sAdhAraNa rUpa se aisA dekha lenA caahie| jaise ki ye bhAI haiM na, inheM aise jA~ca liyA, pahacAna sakate haiM ki ye bhAI aise hI haiN| kala subaha agara cenja ho jAe~ to bar3A mahAna jJAnIpuruSa bana sakate haiN| praznakartA : lekina lagabhaga pUrI jiMdagI manuSya kI prakRti eka jaisI raha sakatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : haaN| raha sakatI hai na! kaI logoM meM rahatI hai isIlie loga kahate haiM na ki prANa aura prakRti donoM sAtha meM jAte haiN| praznakartA : lekina aisA siddhAMta nahIM hai ki aisI hI rahegI? dAdAzrI : iMsAna ke lie nahIM hai, bAkI ke sabhI jIvoM ke lie aisA z2arUra hai| prakRti ko pahacAnakara usase kAma lenA caahie| tU jhaka para car3he aura maiM bhI aisA hoU~ ki jhaka kara lU~ to phira maz2A AegA? nahIM! maiM jAna jAtA hU~ ki yaha jhaka para car3hA hai to phira mujhe vahA~ para narama ho jAnA cAhie kyoMki jhaka para car3hanevAle kA gunAha nahIM hai / usakI yaha prakRti hI aisI hai| jJAna cAhe kitanA bhI ho lekina prakRti ke anusAra jhaka para car3hatA hI hai| praznakartA : jhaka para car3hanA, vaha prAkRtika guNa kahalAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : haaN| jhaka para car3hanA prAkRtika guNa hai / praznakartA : prakRti kyA ahaMkAra kI hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, ahaMkAra kI ! nahIM to phira aura kisa kI? praznakartA : jhaka para car3hanA, use prakRti kA guNa kahA hai, phira bhI yoM to kahate haiM na ki yaha jhaka ahaMkAra kI hai /

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : apane jJAna meM yaha prakRtiguNa hai / isalie koI agara jhaka para car3ha rahA ho to aisA samajha jAtA hU~ ki Adata hai isalie phira mujha para koI asara nahIM hotA / praznakartA : prakRti, vaha to ahaMkAra kA phoTo hai na? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra kA hI hai yaha sabakucha / phoTo nahIM, jo mAno so| svarUpa ahaMkAra kA hI hai / 50 pUrA hii| praznakartA : arthAt ye jo kahate haiM ki yaha bahuta vicitra dimAg2a kA hai, jhakkI iMsAna hai, to ve ahaMkAra ko hI kaha rahe haiM? dAdAzrI : to aura kise ? praznakartA : prakRti ? dAdAzrI : vaha aisA nahIM jAnatA ki maiM yaha kise kaha rahA hU~ / use isa cIz2a kA patA nahIM calatA / vaha to yahI samajhatA hai ki isa aMdara rahanevAle ko hI kaha rahA hU~ arthAt AtmA ko hI sabakucha kahatA hai vaha / yoM sAre SaDayaMtra karate haiM aura duniyA kA jo vyavahAra cala rahA hai, vaha sArA AtmA para Dhola dete haiN| kyoMki vaha bhI kahatA hai ki, 'yaha maiM hU~, maiM hU~, maiM hI maganalAla huuN|' praznakartA : 'mujhe jhaka car3ha gaI, ' kahatA hai / dAdAzrI : vaha khuda hI mAna baiThA hai aura vaha jo mAna baiThA hai, use bhI dUsare loga saca mAna lete haiM ki vAstava meM yaha maganalAla hI hai| vaha TheTha usake AtmA ko pahu~catA hai| jo mUla gunahagArI hai vaha AtmA taka pahu~catI hai| varnA kyA koI lakar3I cabAtA hogA? lekina usameM bhI svAda aayaa| mola lAkara cabAte haiM / prAkRta guNoM kI mUla utpatti praznakartA : 'yaha tIkhA hai, vaha mIThA hai', usake pIche kyA kucha ahaMkAra jaisA hai? ye prakRti guNa kisa taraha utpanna hote haiM?

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva dAdAzrI : vaha sArI jo hai, vaha prakRti hI hai| ahaMkAra thA na, vaha to sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke AdhAra para bnaa| vaha isa spesa meM AyA, isalie svAda aisA ho jAtA hai| isa spesa para AdhArita hai, usakA rUpa-raMga vagairaha spesa para AdhArita hai| iMsAnoM ke cehare alaga-alaga dikhAI dete haiM, vaha bhI spesa kI vajaha se hai| eka hI prakAra ke dikheMge to kyA hogA? pati ko DhU~Dha hI nahIM paaegii| idhara se udhara jAte rheNge| sabhI eka jaise dikheM to phira jaba ghara para jAnA ho to ghara milegA hI nhiiN| spesa alaga hai isalie kitanA alaga-alaga hai| kitanA suMdara huA hai! praznakartA : spesa alaga isalie svAda bhI alaga utpanna hote haiM, rUpa-rasa-gaMdha-sparza sabhI kuch| dAdAzrI : svAda vagairaha sabhI cIjeM, yaha spesa alaga hai isalie isa saMsAra kI sabhI alaga-alaga cIjeM mila jAtI haiM hmeN| agara sabhI loga mIThe hoM, to vakIla kahA~ se lAe~ge? tIkhe loga kahA~ se lAe~ge? phIke kahA~ se lAe~ge?! prakRti kI pUrI-pUrI pahacAna praznakartA : yaha prakRti apane svabhAva meM rahatI hai, khuda to isase bhI alaga hI hai na? dAdAzrI : bilkula alg| hameM koI lenA-denA hai hI nhiiN| jo bilkula alaga rahatA hai, use to koI parezAnI nahIM hai| isa vyavahAra meM to sAmanevAle kI prakRti ko pahacAnakara rakhanA hai, aura kyA? svbhaav| sAmanevAle kA svabhAva arthAt hameM aisA rahe ki 'yaha bhAI AyA isalie aba jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai| yahA~ para koTa-voTa sabakucha sauMpakara ArAma se, koTa aba jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai| yahA~ para koTa-voTa sabakucha sauMpakara ArAma se, koTa hama jAnate bhI hai| agara pahacAnate ho to| aura kisI ko nahIM sauMpanA, dekhnaa|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : logoM kI prakRti ko pahacAnatA hai lekina khuda kI prakRti ko nahIM pahacAnatA, usI vajaha se mAra khAtA hai| dAdAzrI : apane mahAtmA to khuda kA jAnate haiM, sabhI kucha jAnate haiM, konA-konA jAnate haiN| kauna se kone meM vIkanesa hai, kauna se kone meM acchA hai, vaha sArA jAnate haiN| abhI kaI loga jo gaharAI meM nahIM utare haiM ve nahIM jAnate hoMge, lekina kitane hI samajhadAra loga sabhI kucha jAnate haiM aura ye loga bar3e-bar3e patra likhate haiM, to unakI prakRti ke bAre meM sabhI kucha batA dete haiN| ye loga apanI khuda kI AlocanA likhate haiM na, taba kitanA bar3A patra likhakara lAte haiN| praznakartA : prakRti eka taraha se halkI hotI jAtI hai, lekina dUsarI tarapha prakRti adhika gAr3ha bhI hotI jAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : gAr3ha hone kA aba rahA hI nahIM na! vaha to jaba taka ahaMkAra rahatA hai tabhI taka gAr3ha hotI hai| ahaMkAra ke binA gAr3ha kisa taraha ho sakatI hai?! yaha to, ahaMkAra kI anupasthiti meM apane Apa hI halkI hotI jAtI hai, vilaya hotI jAtI hai| praznakartA : prakRti kI Adata to badala jAegI, lekina svabhAva kA kyA? dAdAzrI : svabhAva vagairaha to bAkI saba khatma ho jaaeNge| khuda ko agara svabhAva badalanA ho na, to sArA badala sakatA hai aura agara khuda ko nahIM badalanA ho to taba taka baiThe raheMge sbhii| mAlikIpane ke binA sahajatA se ripeyara DaoNkTara kahate haiM, 'ApakA livara bahuta hI bigar3a gayA hai|' maiMne kahA 'kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai| ArAma se roTI ke sAtha makkhana khAtA huuN|' aura DaoNkTara to makkhana ko chUtA bhI nahIM hai| kahA~ gayA terA bigar3A huA livara? amarIkA meM DaoNkTara kahate haiM, 'oNparezana karU~?' 'are bhAI, rahane de na oNparezana!' kisakA kara rahA hai yaha tU? ye to jJAnIpuruSa kahalAte haiN| jo

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva 53 deha ke mAlika nahIM haiN|' yahA~ para bhI sIdhe nahIM rahate? kyA unakA oNparezana karanA hotA hai? mAlikIvAle kA oNparezana karanA par3atA hai! praznakartA : jo mAlikIvAlA ho, usakA oNparezana karanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| jinakI mAlikI nahIM hai unakA oNparezana kaisA? mAlikIvAle ko nukasAna yA phAyadA hotA hai| yahA~ para phAyadA-nukasAna nahIM hai| yaha to basa itanA hI hai ki dikhAvA karate haiN| mAlika nahIM haiM, phira kyA hai? praznakartA : yahA~ para apane Apa hI ripeyara ho jAtA hai? jisa deha meM mAlikIpanA nahIM hai vahA~ para sArI ripeyariMga kisa taraha se hotI hai? dAdAzrI : mAlikIpane ke vajaha se hI ghara bUr3hA ho jAtA hai aura jarjara ho jAtA hai| bAkI yadi apane svabhAva se bUr3hA hotA hai, vaha to umra hone para hotA hai, lekina mAlikIpane kI vajaha se usakA sabakucha kharAba ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : spIDI asara hotA hai? mAlikIpane kI vajaha se spIDI asara hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| mAlikIpane kI vajaha se arthAt ve jo kudaratI asara hote haiM ki 'yaha mujhe huA,' vaisA hotA hai, isase phira cipaka jAtA hai phir| jo aisA kahatA hai ki 'mujhe nahIM huA' to unheM kucha bhI nahIM cipktaa| 'jo bhI huA hai vaha to caMdUbhAI ko huA hai, usameM mujhe kyA? maiM hU~ sAtha meM aisA kahanA cAhie hmeN| maiM hU~ na Apake sAtha caMdUbhAI! ghabarAnA mata' aisA khnaa| aisA bhI kahakara to dekho| darpaNa ke sAmane dekhakara kahanA, aura usakA kaMdhA thpthpaakr| koI kaMdhA thapathapAne nahIM aaegaa| patnI kyA kahatI hai? 'maiM Apase pahale hI kaha rahI thI na lekina Apa meM samajhate nahIM ho to kyA ho sakatA hai?' 'are bhAI! samajha kahA hamArI, abhI isa umra meM? samajha nahIM hai Apa meM!' arthAt saMsAra to mUlataH aisA hI hai|

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54 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kAlA hai phira bhI mIThA kyoM lagatA hai? moha kI vajaha se| praznakartA : eka bAra ApakI vANI meM nikalA thA ki 'yaha phrekcara huA hai lekina isameM ripeyara kauna kara rahA hai?' taba kahA thA, 'maiM nikala gayA hU~ isameM se|' ataH kudarata kara detI hai yaha sArA ripeyr| dAdAzrI : hA~, aura koI cArA hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : aura bahuta jaldI se karatI hai| turaMta ThIka ho gyaa| jaba taka tanmayAkAra rahate haiM taba taka kudarata kI helpa nahIM miltii| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina ve DaoNkTara bhI kahane lage the ki 'phrekcara hone ke bAda to bahuta darda hotA hai, Apako darda kyoM nahIM ho rahA? bahuta sahana kiyA hai|' maiMne kahA, 'nahIM, mujha meM sahanazIlatA nahIM hai|' hamAre meM sahanazIlatA hotI hI nhiiN| sahanazIlatA to ahaMkAra kA guNa hai| hama meM aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| z2arA iMjekzana denA ho to ThaMDA, ThaMDA karane ke bAda hI iMjekzana diyA jA sakatA hai|' taba DaoNkTara kahate haiM to phira kyA huA? yaha kyA hai?' 'yahI hai AtmA!' ve alaga aura yaha alg| alaga hai lekina usake bAda phira DaoNkTara ne dUsare DaoNkTaroM se kahA, 'dekha Ao, dekha Ao, AtmA dekha aao|' kyoMki abhI jaise haiM, usa dina bhI aise ke aise hI the| usameM koI pharka nahIM par3A thaa| DaoNkTara bhramita ho sakate haiM lekina maiM bhramita nahIM huuN| amarIkA meM DaoNkTara bhramita ho jAte the ki 'Apako yaha kara leM aura vaha kara leN|' maiMne kahA, 'agara oNparezana karane lageMge to maiM manA kara duuNgaa| yahA~ para ApakA nahIM clegaa| ise kholanA mata, yaha peTI kholane jaisI nahIM hai| sahaja svabhAva se ripeyara ho jAe aisI peTI hai| isameM use Apa kyA ripeyara karoge?' jaise bhUkha apane Apa lagatI hai na! kyA vaha DaoNkTaroM ke oNparezana karane se lagatI hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : vaha to apane Apa hI lagatI hai| aura ThIka bhI hotA rahegA, mAlikI nahIM hai islie| tUphAna AyA aura khir3akiyA~ TUTa gaIM to use aisA kahA ki tUphAna se TUTa gaIM arthAt dUsarI bAra mAlikIpane kI

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva 55 vajaha se TUTa jAtI haiN| eka to TUTanI hI thI kudaratI, dUsarI mAlikIpane kI vajaha se TUTa gii| eka bAra hI TUTane de na bhAI! tUphAna kA asara rahanA cAhie jabaki phira sAtha meM terA bhI asara par3atA hai| praznakartA : aba kudarata meM kyA aisA niyama hai ki khir3akI vApasa jur3a jAegI? dAdAzrI : vaha to jur3a hI jaaegii| kudarata kA to aisA niyama hai hii| bAla ko agara hama nikAla deM to vaha phira se uga hI jAtA hai| cAhe sapheda, to sapheda, lekina uga jAtA hai| praznakartA : aba agara mAlikIpanA nahIM rakheM aura usake bajAya yaha nididhyAsana rahe, to vaha bhI itanA hI kAma karatA hai na ripeyariMga kA? dAdAzrI : karatA hai na, ripeyara karatA hai na saaraa| hama agara jAnakara, samajhakara chor3a deM to kudarata sabakucha apane Apa karatI hI rahatI hai| DaoNkTara kI kyA z2arUrata hai? aura agara Ae to manA nahIM karanA caahie| Ae to davAI le lenI caahie| rAta-dina usakA dhyAna nahIM karanA hai ki mujhe isa davAI kI z2arUrata hai| agara sahajarUpa se mila jAe to pI lenI caahie| 'oNparezana mata karanA' kahA 'bhAI, aba tU kholanA mata isa peTI ko isameM maz2A nahIM hai, tU pha~sa jAegA!' prakRti zreSTha ilAja karatI hai deha kA praznakartA : sabhI saMyoga udayakarma ke adhIna haiM, mujhe sabhI cIjeM apane Apa hI mila jAtI haiN| aba unheM seTa karanevAlA koI aura to hai nahIM, to usa cetana meM aisI zakti hogI yA una aNuoM meM hI itanI adhika cetanatA hogI ki ve vahA~ pahu~ca jAte hoMge? dAdAzrI : cetana ko isase kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai| yaha to jaise sinemA kI philma calatI hai na, vaise hI yaha jo philma hai, vaha prakRti kA guNa hai| svabhAva se seTa ho jAte haiN| DaoNkTara ApakA ilAja kare, usake bajAya prakRti bahuta suMdara ilAja karatI hai| DaoNkTara to jo nahIM denA ho vaha

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) iMjekzana bhI de detA hai| prakRti to bahuta suMdara kAma karatI hai| aisA, jo ki zarIra ke hita meM hotA hai| praznakartA : jaba zarIra mara jAnevAlA ho, taba DaoNkTara cAhe kitanA bhI ilAja kareM phira bhI prakRti ke hisAba se to yaha zarIra khatma ho hI jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : calegA hI nahIM n| DaoNkTara to nimitta hai bIca meN| bAla kaTavAne ke lie nAI jitanA nimitta hai, utanA hI nimitta yaha hai| praznakartA : arthAt usa samaya usake zarIra kA vilaya ho jAnA, vAstava meM to vaha usake hita meM hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hita meM hI, bilkula hita meM hai| hita se bAhara nahIM calatI hai yaha prkRti| peTa meM dukhAtI hai vaha bhI hita meM hai kyoMki vaha darda nikAlatI hai, bar3hAtI nahIM hai| bAda meM z2yAdA jokhima AegA usake bajAya pahale se hI usa jokhima ko nikAla detI hai! isa jJAna ke bAda khuda prakRti kA mAlika banatA hI nahIM hai na, isalie darda apane Apa nikala hI jAtA hai| mAlikI rahe, taba taka vaha kama nahIM hotaa| jaba mAlikI nahIM rahe to nikala jAtA hai sabhI kuch| prakRti zuddhatA ko bhajatI jAtI hai| jaba taka mAlikI rahe, taba taka prakRti khuda, apanA kArya nahIM kara sktii| mAlika dakhala kie bagaira rahatA nahIM hai na? mAlika dakhala karatA hai? praznakartA : hA~, pakar3e rakhatA hai, mAlika bnkr| dAdAzrI : cher3atA hai, cher3atA! usakA ilAja karavAtA hai, phalAnA karavAtA hai, cher3a-chAr3a ho jAtI hai| varnA yadi kabhI isameM dakhala nahIM karo to prakRti zuddha hI hotI jaaegii| prakRti kA svabhAva hI hai zuddha hone kA, lekina agara dakhala nahIM kareMge to| lekina ajJAnI to dakhala kie bagaira rahatA hI nahIM na! Apa nahIM karate lekina ajJAnI to karatA hai na? 'mujhe ho gayA' kahA ki aura bhI jyAdA bar3ha jAtA hai| 'mujhe ho gayA' kahA ki bddh'aa|

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[1.5] kaise-kaise prakRti svabhAva 57 karma upadravI aura prakRti nirupadravI praznakartA : arthAt aisA kahA jA sakatA hai ki khuda kI prakRti usakA bacAva karatI hai, AdhAra detI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to svabhAva hai| usameM to, agara kabhI yadi apanI dakhalaMdAjI na rahI ho to phira prakRti to apane Apa ripeyara kara hI detI hai| prakRti kA svabhAva nirupadravI hai| koI bhI upadrava hone lage to vaha baMda kara detI hai kyoMki apane karma ke udaya kI vajaha se upadravI ho jAtI hai yadi ahaMkAra kare to| bAkI prakRti kA svabhAva nirupadravI hai| ho cuke upadrava ko DhaMka detI hai turaMta hii| praznakartA : isakA matalaba yaha hai ki jo pUraNa kiyA huA hai usakA apane Apa galana hotA hI rhegaa| dAdAzrI : hotA hI rahatA hai, lekina prakRti nirupadravI hotI hai| upadrava apane karmoM kI vajaha se hai| phira agara yahA~ para coTa laga jAe to prakRti use DhaMka dene kI zuruAta kara detI hai turaMta hI! praznakartA : coTa lagane ke bAda turaMta hI hIliMga prosesa zurU ho jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : turaMta hI, sArI mazInarI taiyaar| yaha isa myunisipAliTI meM bhI aisA hotA hai, kisI jagaha para nukasAna huA ki myunisipAliTI kI sArI mazInarI vahA~ para laga jAtI hai aura yaha bhI aisI hI hai lekina yaha aksIra hai aura vaha to sArA rizvatavAlA hisAba hai| aMdara thoDA bahata ho jAe yA na bhI ho| kisI ke vahA~ ror3I DAlanI hotI hai lekina kisI aura ke vahA~ DAla AtA hai, aisA saba hai| jabaki yaha to aksiir| praznakartA : isameM jo Apane upadravI kahA hai, to vaha kaisA upadrava hai? dAdAzrI : kisI ko agara sAikala se TakarAkara coTa laga gaI, paira meM cIrA laga gayA, to ye saba upadrava karma ke udaya kI vajaha se haiM

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58 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) lekina usakA khuda kA svabhAva nirupadravI hai, isalie DhaMka detI hai, ghAva bhara detI hai| huA ki turaMta hii| khUna vagairaha sabakucha baMda kara detI hai turaMta hii| praznakartA : yaha to Aja khulAsA huA ki ye DaoNkTara bhI aisA kahate haiM ki jo ghAva lagA hai, hama use nahIM bhrte| bharatI to kudarata hI hai lekina hama to mAtra use sApha karate haiN| dAdAzrI : ve sApha hI karate haiM, helpa karate haiM, kudarata kI helpa karate haiN|

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? kAbU karanA gunAha hai praznakartA : prakRti ko kAbU meM kisa taraha lAyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti ko kAbU meM lene jAnA gunAha hai kyoMki prakRti to pariNAma hai| pariNAma ko kAbU meM nahIM liyA jA sktaa| kaoNz2ez2a ko kAbU meM liyA jA sakatA hai| kaoNz2ez2a apane hAtha meM hote haiM, pariNAma hAtha meM nahIM hote| arthAt pUrI prakRti pariNAma svarUpI hai| jaise ki skUla, kaoNleja meM riz2alTa dete haiM, usa riz2alTa ko kAbU meM lene jAe~ to? parIkSA ko kAbU meM liyA jA sakatA hai| yaha pharka tujhe samajha meM AyA pUrI taraha se? yaha prakRti pariNAma svarUpa hai, aisA samajha meM AtA hai? hA~, kaoNz2ez2a baMda kie jA sakate haiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha meM badalAva ho sakatA hai| jo kaoNz2ez2a haiM unameM badalAva ho sakatA hai| kaoNz2ez2a meM badalAva hone se prakRti maMda ho jAtI hai| arthAt raMga-rUpa badala jAte haiN| prakRti apanA kAma karegI lekina raMga badala jAte haiM arthAt halke par3a jAte haiN| isase mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki prakRti bhI badala gii| nahIM, badalatI nahIM hai! iphekTa hai| iphekTa kaise badala sakatA hai? yadi iphekTa badala sakate taba to bhagavAna mahAvIra ko iphekTa bhogane hI nahIM par3ate! kAna meM kIleM lagavAne ko kyoM rahate? kitanI suMdara khoja hai yaha iphekTa kI! prakRti ko hameM pahacAnanA cAhie ki yaha gulAba hai, gulAba kyA apane vaza meM A sakatA hai? kA~Te nahIM cubhe aisA kara sakatA hai? hameM

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) saMbhAlakara kAma nikAla lenA hai usase, taba prakRti vaza meM ho sakatI hai| gulAba kaba vaza meM AtA hai ? kA~Te nahIM lageM usa taraha saMbhAlakara hama phUla le leM, taba gulAba vaza meM AtA hai / usI taraha se, hama yaha kahanA cAhate haiN| varnA gulAba kyA kabhI badalegA? vaha to Apane hAtha DAlA ki kA~TA lagegA hii| kA~TA lagatA hai na? mujhe lagatA hai mAlI ko chor3a dete hoMge ! nahIM? mAlI ko bhI nahIM chor3ate, jo unheM sIMcatA hai? kisI ko nahIM chor3atA? 60 anaTAimalI bama para kaMTrola ? praznakartA : hameM itane sAla ho gae jJAna lie, phira bhI abhI taka prakRti apanI bhUmikA nibhAe (kAma kie) bagaira kyoM nahIM, rahatI? dAdAzrI : yaha prakRti to bhUmikA nibhAegI hI na ! prakRti kyA hai, vaha nahIM samajhanA cAhie? prakRti arthAt anaTAimalI bama / kaba phUTa jAe, vaha kahA nahIM jA sakatA ! phUTegI to avazya / vaha khuda ke kAbU meM nahIM hai! praznakartA : lekina dAdA, abhI bhI saMyama kyoM nahIM AtA? I dAdAzrI : lekina Apake kAbU meM nahIM hai| phira bhI aisA bolane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| use kaMTrola karane jAoge to mUrkha banoge / use kaMTrola nahIM karoge to aura z2yAdA mUrkha banoge / arthAt bAta ko samajhane kI z2arUrata hai hmeN| samajheMge tabhI bAta bnegii| samajhanA arthAt kyA ki prakRti ko jo hotA rahatA hai, use dekhate rahanA hai I praznakartA : hameM agara koI kucha apamAnajanaka bAta kaha de taba itane sAloM bAda bhI, hameM saMyama nahIM rahatA to isakA artha hI kyA hai? dAdAzrI : usameM to aMdara prakRti z2ora se AvAz2a bhI kara sakatI hai| dasa sAloM se vaha dhIre se bola rahI thI aura usa dina to AvAz2a tez2a ho jAtI hai kyoMki aMdara bArUda z2yAdA bhara gayA hai, isalie hameM koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM karanI hai| use hama judA 'dekha sakate haiM yA nahIM, itanA hI samajha lene

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? kI z2arUrata rahatI hai| prakRti ko judA dekheM to parezAnI nahIM hai| dekhA arthAt Apa mukt| hameM koI DA~Te, usa samaya kyA hama alaga nahIM rahate hoMge? mAna de usa ghar3I bhI alaga rahate haiM aura DA~Te usa ghar3I bhI alaga rahate haiN| praznakartA : hama alaga nahIM raha sakate haiM usa ghdd'ii| hameM koI DA~TeM to sAmane javAba de dete haiN| dAdAzrI : lekina vahA~ para bhI Apako yaha dekhanA' hai aura usake bAda ApakA dhyAna aisA hotA jAegA, dhiire-dhiire| isa mArga para hamAre sAtha bhI aisA hI hotA thA lekina aba yaha hone lagA hai| aba Apake sAtha bhI aisA ho rahA hai, to usameM se aba dhIre-dhIre yaha bhI hogaa| yAnI ki mArga para A rahe ho| praznakartA : to isa janma meM bhI aisA hI rahanevAlA hai? dAdAzrI : zAyada bAda ke jIvana meM kucha kama bhI ho jaae| yaha to alaga-alaga rahatA hai ki kisakA kaisA mAla par3A hai! pudgala arthAt pUraNa kiyA huA galana hotA hai| nayA pUraNa nahIM hotA hai lekina jo galana ho rahA hai, use dekhA kro| praznakartA : jJAna ke itane sAla ho cuke to apane meM prakRti ke sAmane itanA saMyama A hI jAnA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai lekina agara yadi dAdA nahIM mile hote to kyA dazA hotI? praznakartA : ohoho! usakI to phira bAta hI karane jaisI nahIM hai! dAdAzrI : to phira, aisI bAta karate ho! kitane mahala tor3a de aisI zakti ! hA~! phira isameM jahA~ virodhAbhAsa lage, vahA~ para Apa saMbhAlakara kAma lo| prakRti to mazIna hai aura mazInarI ke sAtha aise Ar3AI (ahaMkAra kA Ter3hApana) kaise kI jA sakatI hai? mazIna se agara aisA kaheM, usa giyara se ki 'dekha maiM U~galI lagA rahA hU~, maiMne tujhe banAyA hai| tU merI U~galI ke bIca

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62 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) meM mata AnA!' lekina vaha to kATa hI ddaalegii| phira cAhe vaha hamane banAI ho yA kisI aura ne kyoMki mikenikala eDajasTamenTa hai| yaha prakRti mikenikala hai ataH hameM dAdA se aisA sIkha lenA hai, to vaha mikenikala eDajasTamenTa DhIlA par3a jaaegaa| ho sakatA hai yA nahIM ho sakatA aisA? hamAre pAsa se eka bAra kalA sIkha jaao| yaha bodhakalA arthAt ahiMsaka kalA hai, hiMsaka kalA nahIM hai| hA~, mokSa meM le jAe aisI hai| ataH aba yaha janma bigAr3anA mata! jJAna kA pariNAma isa janma meM yA Age jAkara? praznakartA : apane eka mahAtmA haiM, unhoMne jJAna liyA hai aura aba alaukika ke bhAva karate haiM, hote haiM, to usa alaukika ke bhAvoM kA pariNAma abhI milegA yA Age jAkara milegA? dAdAzrI : vaha abhI bhI milegA aura Age jAkara bhI milegA, donoM hI mileNge| bhAva kA pariNAma phreza bhI milatA hai aura Age jAkara bhI milatA hai| Age jAkara vaha prakRti ke banane se hotA hai aura abhI usakI lAiTa kA prakAza milatA hai hmeN| hamane jJAna diyA usake bAda iMsAna kyA ThaMDA (zAMta) nahIM ho jAtA? praznakartA : bahuta, hA~! dAdAzrI : vaha bhAva kA pariNAma hai| praznakartA : pUrA rasa (kI tIvratA) bhI badala jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha sabakucha badala jAtA hai| halkA par3a jAtA hai| kitane prakAra se mukta ho gae ho! aba mokSa kI bhI jaldabAz2I karane kI kyA z2arUrata hai? jisakI jo prakRti hai, vaha prakRti chor3egI nhiiN| usa prakRti ko bhoganA hI pdd'egaa| samajha lenA hai ki isa prakRti meM mujhe kyA karanA hai| itanA hI samajha lene kI z2arUrata hai| prakRti bA~dhakara lAe haiN| behada bA~dhakara lAe haiM aura kAphI kucha chUTa gaI hai| ye to behada bA~dhakara lAe haiN| eka bhI dizA kI gaTharI bAkI nahIM rhii| sabhI gaThariyA~ haiM, hara eka dizA kI!

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? nigraha kim kariSyati ? prakRti kA kucha bhAga cenjebala hai aura kucha bhAga cenjebala hai hI nahIM / 63 praznakartA : kauna sA bhAga cenjebala hai aura jo cenjebala nahIM hai vaha kauna sA bhAga hai ? dAdAzrI : kAphI kucha bhAga cenjebala hai hI nhiiN| vaha to kucha hI bhAga cenjebala hai aura jo cenjebala dikhAI detA hai, vaha prakRti cenja nahIM hotI, cenja hotI huI dikhatI hai hameM / vAstava meM to aMdara vaha cenja sahita hI hai yh| vaha bhI prakRti hai eka prakAra kI / lekina loga kyA kahate haiM ki isase merA cenja ho gyaa| aisA dikhAI detA hai use / lekina vaha cenja nahIM hotaa| aMdara cenja sahita hI hai yaha! yaha to bahuta samajhane jaisA hai / bahuta gaharA hai yaha akrama vijJAna ! I praznakartA : yaha jJAna lene ke bAda prakRti cenja hotI hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna lene se pahale bhI nahIM hotI hai aura bAda meM bhI nahIM hotii| jJAna ke bAda agara kucha hotI hogI to kitanI hotI hai? lekina vaha to pahale se hI ho cukI thI isalie cenja hotI hai / prakRti kahIM naI nahIM bntii| praznakartA: prakRti badalI nahIM jA sakatI, to phira pratikUla prakRti yA anukUla prakRti ke sAtha kisa prakAra kA vyavahAra karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : use dekhanA hI hai / Apa kaho ki, 'z2yAdA kyoM khA rahe ho ye saba? kyoM itanI khaTAI khA rahe ho?' prakRti khA rahI hotI hai, taba Apa alaga ho aura prakRti alaga hai| yU Ara noTa risponsibala aura agara baMda karane jAoge to usase risponsibiliTI AegI / kRSNa bhagavAna ne kahA hai na ki 'nigraha kim kariSyati ? ' tU kaise roka pAegA? prakRti kA nigraha kisa taraha kara sakegA? prakRti DiscArja cIz2a hai / maiMne to aisA siddhAMta likhakara diyA hai ki kucha par3hanA hI nA par3e !

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64 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA: hA~, aisA likha diyA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha siddhAMta bhI hRdaya meM hI rahatA hai aura problama solva kara de to koI bhI ulajhana khar3I na ho / praznakartA : prakRti kA nigraha nahIM kiyA jA sakatA, vaha eka bAta hai, to usameM isa prakRti ko kyA samajhanA cAhie? ise jar3a samajheM? dAdAzrI : pariNAma nahIM badala sakate / isameM jar3a-cetana kA savAla hI nahIM rahatA na! kaoNleja meM parIkSA de dI, to usake pariNAma meM kyA koI parivartana ho sakatA hai? yahA~ para pariNAma ina logoM ke hAtha meM hotA hai, taba bhI z2yAdA koI parivartana nahIM ho sakatA / vahA~ to bagaira khaTapaTavAlA hai na! pariNAma arthAt iphekTa, koI badalAva nahIM ho sktaa| prakRti ye sAre iphekTa hI de rahI hai| ataH khuda kucha bhI badala nahIM sakatA / ataH saMkSepa meM aisA kaha diyA thA ki 'nigraha kim kariSyati', ina sAdhuoM ko acchI nahIM lgtii| jJAnI ise samajha gae ki prakRti kA nigraha nahIM kiyA jA sakatA, prakRti ko dekhanA hai| usake bajAya loga prakRti kA nigraha karane meM par3a gae ! prakRti kI AdateM nahIM chUTatIM jaldI praznakartA : kucha khAsa prakAra kI prakRti hotI hI hai iMsAna kI yA phira use Adata par3a cukI hotI hai, aisI prakRti hotI hai| vaha jaldI se nahIM chUTatI / kyA aisA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM chUTatI / Adata par3a gaI ho to vaha prakRti bahuta samaya bAda chUTatI hai| praznakartA : to phira yaha jaldI chUTe usake lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : jitanI z2oradAra hogI, jitanA phaoNrsa hogA utane samaya taka clegii| yaha to baoNla hai na, to ise agara itanI U~cAI para se aise pheMke to kyA turaMta baMda ho jAegI ? nahIM! isake jaisA hai /

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? vyasanI prakRti ke sAmane....... praznakartA : hama kahate haiM ki 'prakRti kA eka bhI aMza mujha meM nahIM ` aura merA eka bhI aMza prakRti meM nahIM haiM, ' to phira prakRti badalatI kyoM nahIM hai jJAna lene ke bAda ? 65 dAdAzrI : badalegI kaise? jo prakRti lekara AyA hai vaha to rahegI hI na! isa jJAna se to mUlata: kaoNz2ez2avAlI prakRti badalatI hai aura iphekTiva (prakRti) raha jAtI hai| aisI koI ulajhana khar3I nahIM krtii| jaisI philma taiyAra ho cukI hai, ekz2ekTa usI rUpa meM nikalatI hai| sirpha usameM se jo kaoNz2ez2a bhAga hai vaha halkA par3a jAtA hai| yAnI ki kudarata kI to bahuta sudaMra vyavasthA hai ! praznakartA : cAhe kaise bhI saMyoga Ae~ lekina kyA prakRti kabhI bhI nahIM badalatI? dAdAzrI : jo kabhI bhI nahIM badale, usI ko prakRti kahate haiN| vaha badalatI kaba hai ki jaba jJAnIpuruSa pApoM ko bhasmIbhUta kara dete haiM, taba usakA kucha bhAga kama ho jAtA hai / ata: isa jJAna ke bAda ApakI prakRti badalI huI kahI jAegI, varnA prakRti badalatI nahIM hai / isIlie loga kahate haiM ki dAdA logoM kI prakRti badala dete haiM / kucha to khUba zarAba pInevAle, mAMsAhAra karanevAle loga hote haiM lekina dUsare hI dina se saba baMda ! praznakartA : kisI ko agara zarAba aura mAMsa chor3ane hoM to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : zarAba chUTanA z2arUra mahatvapUrNa hai aura mAMsa nahIM khAe to vaha uttama hai kyoMki ye to jokhimavAlI cIjeM haiM lekina jaba maiM samajhAtA hU~ taba patA calatA hai ki yaha jokhima hai / taba phira chor3a detA hai / vaha to, ApakI prakRti meM to nahIM hai isalie khA nahIM skte| balki hameM to Upara se itanA kahanA hai ki 'maiM nahIM khAtA hU~' basa itanA hI hai| ataH 'maiM nahIM khAtA hU~' zabda kahane meM harja nahIM hai lekina usake pIche aisA nahIM honA cAhie ki 'maiM inase z2yAdA samajhadAra huuN'| ye bhAI pahale aisA samajhate the ki 'maiM inase kucha z2arA z2yAdA samajhadAra huuN|' aba nikala gaI vaha samajhadArI ? !

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : nikala gaI lekina abhI bhI phira se sigareTa ke vicAra ghera lete haiN| dAdAzrI : prakRti chor3atI nahIM hai na, use to samajhA-bujhAkara aura paddhatipUrvaka isa taraha se chor3anA hai, tAki ve paramANu zarIra ke aMdara na rheN| usakI jar3a bhI nahIM rahanI caahie| eka jhaTake se chor3a deM to jar3a vagairaha saba raha jAtA hai aNdr| dRr3ha bhAvanA sudhAre naI prakRti praznakartA : svabhAva meM jo jar3atA hai, usase umra bar3hane kI vajaha se dRr3ha ho gayA hai| koI krodhI hai, koI lobhI hai ataH jaba taka koI vyakti svabhAva sudhArane kA prayatna nahIM kare, taba taka usase kabhI bhI satsaMga nahIM ho sktaa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, prakRti svabhAva, pahale kama umra meM ApakA jo svabhAva thA abhI usameM kitanA badalAva huA hai? praznakartA : kAphI kucha ho gayA hai| dAdAzrI : to vaha usake DevelapamenTa ke AdhAra para ho hI jaaegaa| agara hama karane jAe~ge to nahIM hogaa| jaise-jaise saMyoga badalate jAte haiM vaise-vaise prakRti svabhAva badalatA jAtA hai| bAkI prakRti chor3atI nahIM hai| prakRti ke svabhAva ko hama badala nahIM skte| vaha to saMyoga ise badalate rahate haiN| vaise saMyoga milane caahie| ahaMkArI prakRti ho to use jaba dekho taba ahaMkAra meM hI rahatI hai aura lobhI prakRti ho to janma se aMtima sTezana taka jAe taba taka bhI usameM lobha rahatA hai| aMtima sTezana para jAne ke lie lakar3iyA~ lAkara rakhI hoM to vaha kahatA hai ki 'bhAI, vo vAlI jo lakar3iyA~ haiM na, mere lie utane kA hI upayoga krnaa| bAkI kI ve saba apane ghara ke lie haiN|' aisA bilkula sApha-sApha kahakara maratA hai kyoMki use lobha hai na! arthAt vaha usakA prakRti svabhAva hai| praznakartA : kama ho sakatI hai?

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? 67 dAdAzrI : agara kama ho jAe to bhI use kama karanevAle Apa nahIM ho| vaha usake puruSArtha se nahIM hotI, vaha sAinTiphika samakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke AdhAra para kama hotI hai yA phira bar3ha bhI jAe eviDensa ke AdhAra para vaha bar3ha bhI sakatI hai yA kama bhI ho sakatI hai| yaha prakRti apanI sattA meM nahIM hai isalie Apako to yahI dekhanA hai ki 'ohoho! itanI lobhI prakRti hai to pUrI jiMdagI yaha prakRti chor3egI nhiiN|' ataH hameM kyA bhAvanA karanI cAhie ki 'jitanA ho sake utanA, merI jo kucha bhI jAyadAda hai usakA upayoga jagat kalyANa ke lie ho|' aisI bhAvanA kI jAe to isa bhAvanA ke phala svarUpa prakRti vApasa, agale janma meM ApakA mana bar3A rhegaa| jabaki yaha to bigar3a gaI hai| yaha janma to gayA lekina aba nayA to sudhAro bhaaii| ataH isa prakRti ko dekhakara Apako naI sudhAranI hai| yaha Apako sAvadhAna karatI hai ki agara pasaMda nahIM ho to nayA sudhAro aura agara pasaMda ho to rahane do| ataH sirpha bhAvanA hI karanI hai aura kucha nahIM karanA hai| eka vyakti ne mujhase kahA ki mujhe kisI ko bhI kucalanA nahIM hai| mere kyA karane se aisA ho sakatA hai ki eka bhI jIva merI gAr3I ke nIce nahIM kucalA jAe? taba maiMne kahA, 'nizcaya se bhAvanA kara, nizcaya se ki kabhI bhI, kisI bhI sthiti meM bhI yaha nahIM honA caahie|' usa bhAvanA ko itanI maz2abUta kara de ki tujhe aMdara hAz2ira rahe phira tere hAtha se koI nahIM mregaa| ataH yaha jagat ApakI bhAvanA kA hI phala hai| acchI bhAvanA ke bIja DAloge to phala acche mileNge| kisI bhI iMsAna ko aisI icchA nahIM hotI ki usakI gAr3I ke nIce koI jIva kucalA jAe, phira bhI kucala jAte haiN| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? taba kitane hI logoM se pUche ki, 'ApakI gAr3I jA rahI ho aura koI vyakti ekadama se A jAe, to kyA karoge?' taba usane kahA, 'kyA kara sakate haiM? vaha to aisA ho hI jaaegaa|' vahI aMdara phala detA hai| yaha jo daravAz2A khulA rakhA usakA yaha phala AtA hai| kisI bhI saMyoga meM aisA

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68 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM honA cAhie, eka bAra agara gAr3I TUTa jAe to TUTa jAe lekina koI maranA to nahIM hI caahie| itanA nizcaya to honA caahie| saba ApakA hI hai| bhagavAna ne isameM dakhala nahIM kI hai| yaha saba ApakA hI projekzana hai| aba, Apa isa prakRti ko jaisI bA~dhanA cAho vaisI baMdhatI jaaegii| jaise saMskAra Apako milate haiM, usI anusAra prakRti baMdhatI hai| ataH agara acche saMskAra meM rahoge to acchI prakRti baMdhegI aura kharAba saMskAra meM rahoge to kharAba bNdhegii| isa duniyA meM agara sirpha saMsArI sukha cAhie, kalpita sukha, to Apa logoM ko sukha do, jIvamAtra ko sukha do to Apako ghara baiThe sukha milegaa| isa janma meM hI svabhAva badala sakatA hai? praznakartA : dAdA, yaha svabhAva prakRti kA hai yA ahaMkAra kA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha prakRti kA hai| ahaMkAra aMdara A gayA hai| prakRti arthAt svbhaav| iMsAna kA eka svabhAva bana gayA hai, nakkI ho gayA hai| svabhAva meM vaha usI anusAra phala detA hai, phira anya kisI prakAra kA phala nahIM detaa| agara usakA rizvata nahIM lene kA svabhAva hogA to bhale hI usake sAtha kitanI bhI jhaMjhaTa karo phira bhI nahIM legaa| lI huI bhI vApasa de degaa| praznakartA : vaha svabhAva vApasa badalatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : usakA jitanA bhI svabhAva hai, usake aMdara jitane-jitane Diviz2ana haiM, unameM se ekAdha Diviz2ana khatma hone ko ho taba vaha badala jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina kyA vaha apane Apa hI badala jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : apane Apa badala jAtA hai| praznakartA : khuda prakRti ko jAnatA hai ki prakRti aisI hai| usake bAda agara use svabhAva badalane kA puruSArtha karanA ho to ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : anya koI puruSArtha hotA hI nahIM hai| jo aMdara ho rahA

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai ? hai na, vahI puruSArtha hai| usake aMdara aisA ho rahA ho, hotA hI rahatA hai| 'puruSArtha kiyA' vaha to hama sirpha zabdoM meM batAne ke lie kahate haiM / varnA jaba puruSArtha ho taba hameM jAnanA hai ki isa puruSArtha se kucha to acchA hogA / praznakartA : vaha bhI usake aMdara guthA huA hotA hI hai | 69 dAdAzrI : haaN| yaha kahanA ki 'puruSArtha karate haiM' yaha saba bhI ahaMkAra hai eka taraha kA / praznakartA : ata: jaba saMyoga milate haiM, taba yaha prakRti apanA svabhAva batAtI hai| vApasa koI aura saMyoga mila jAe~ taba vaisA batAtI hai| aise karate-karate khatma ho jAtI hai, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, agara usakA enDa A cukA ho to khatma ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : lekina usakI jo cIkaNI (gAr3ha) prakRti hotI hai, use bhI saMyoga mileMge aura vaha prakRti opana hogI hI / usa samaya kyA vaha prakRti utanI ghisa jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : ghisatI hai na! ghisatI hI jAtI hai, niyama hI aisA hai ! praznakartA : yaha jJAna liyA, lekina prakRti kA svabhAva to badalegA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : badalatA hai na ! usake kama - z2yAdA pariNAma rahate hI haiM aMdara / ataH kisI meM sahaja rUpa se badala jAtI hai, baMda ho jAtI hai yaha prakRti kyoMki vaha khatma hone AI hai jabaki vaha samajhatA hai ki maiMne puruSArtha kiyA / yaha prakRti koI aisI nahIM hai ki aisI hI rahatI hai, use jitanA samajhAe~ usa anusAra calatI hai / mUla prakRti bana cukI hai, pakkI ho cukI hai| usake bAda aura kucha samajhAyA jAe to badala jAtI hai, lekina aMdara jo usake badalane kA skopa hai utane meM hI badalatI hai, usase Age nahIM badala sktii| Apane prakRti meM aisA taya kiyA ho ki mujhe saMtapuruSoM kI

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70 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sevA karanI hai, to phira koI bhI saMtapuruSa Ae~ to Apa sevA karate ho| ataH prakRti badalatI hai yAnI usa anusAra taya kiyA huA hI hotA hai| aise eka-eka poinTa Tu poinTa nakkI nahIM kiyA hai ki aisA hI honA caahie| vaha to, jisane pichale janma meM aisA bhAva kiyA ho ki jJAna ke anusAra hI prakRti rakhanI hai, to use koI aisA jJAna batAe to usa anusAra prakRti badala jAtI hai| jisane aisA bhAva kiyA huA ho, usakI badala jAtI hai| badale prakRti jJAna se praznakartA : iMsAna kI prakRti kaba badalatI hai? dAdAzrI : marane para bhI nahIM bdltii| prakRti kabhI bhI nahIM bdltii| jitanA jJAna kA pramANa utpanna hotA hai, jitanI samajha utpanna hotI hai, utanI hI prakRti badalatI jAtI hai| prakRti jJAna ke anusAra badalatI hai lekina phira bhI vaha rahatI hai prakRti kI prakRti hii| prakRti se bAhara nahIM nikala sakatA iNsaan| isa janma kI prakRti badala nahIM sakatI bilkula bhii| usake aMdara jitanA jJAna utpanna huA hai na, usa jJAna ke AdhAra para agale janma meM badalatI hai vaaps| vApasa usameM jitanA jJAna utpanna huA, vaha usake bAdavAle janma meM badalatI hai| aise karate-karate sTepa car3hatA jAtA hai lekina prakRti se bAhara nahIM nikala sktaa| sAdhu-sanyAsI, saMta-vaMta vagairaha sabhI sAtvika prakRti meM hote haiN| prakRti se bAhara nahIM nikala sakate aura jo prakRti se bAhara nikale haiM ve yA to jJAnIpuruSa yA phira bhagavAna kahalAte haiM, basa! praznakartA : jJAnIpuruSa prakRti badala sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : prakRti nahIM badalI jA sakatI, jJAna badalA jA sakatA hai| makAna badalA jA sakatA hai, ghara badalA jA sakatA hai lekina prakRti nahIM badalI jA sktii| Apa prakRti ke ghara meM raha rahe the, vahA~ se Apako Apake khuda ke ghara meM biThA diyaa| prakRti to apanA kAma karatI hI rahegI lekina hamAre sAtha baiThAne se prakRti ekadama badala jAtI hai|

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? hama jise jJAna dete haiM, dasa-paMdraha sAla meM usakI prakRti khatma ho jAtI hai| prakRti meM jo virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai, vaha usakI bAda kI lAipha meM nahIM rhtaa| phira jaisI logoM ko anukUla Ae, prakRti vaisI ho jAtI hai| prakRti saumya ho jAtI hai kyoMki pahalevAlI prakRti khAlI ho jAtI hai, jabaki ajJAnI meM to prakRti khAlI hotI hai aura Upara se bharatA jAtA hai| ataH eka tarapha prakRti khAlI hotI hai aura dUsarI tarapha vaha bharatA jAtA hai, donoM sAtha meM haiN| inameM (mahAtmAoM meM) nayA nahIM bharatA / sirpha kharca hI hotA hai, isalie khatma ho jAtI hai phira / 71 jJAna ke bAda meM saMvara (karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA) hotA hai aura nirjarA hotI hai isalie unheM anya kucha nayA nahIM milatA, jabaki, inameM to baMdha (karmabaMdhana) aura nirjarA donoM sAtha meM haiM / ataH vApasa baMdha par3atA jAtA hai| vaha sArI ajJAnI kI dazA hai, isalie marate dama taka jAtI nahIM hai| prakRti bar3hatI hai balki / I praznakartA : khuda jAnane kI koziSa kare aura nikAle tabhI khuda kI prakRti jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : ajJAnI khuda kisa taraha se nikAla sakegA? prakRti se khuda baMdhA huA hai| prakRti kI samajha hI nahIM hai ki merI yaha prakRti galata hai kyoMki jo ahaMkAra hai vaha galata prakRti ko bhI sahI mAnatA hai / ahaMkAra hamezA hI aMdhA hotA hai isalie use satya-asatya kA bhAna hI nahIM rahatA aura usakI jo buddhi hai vaha usakA durUpayoga karatI hai| ahaMkAra se kahatI, 'ThIka hai, Apa jo kaha rahe ho, vaha ThIka hI hai|' isalie phira ahaMkAra vApasa zurU ho jAtA hai aMdhA hokara, isalie use khuda kA eka bhI doSa nahIM dikhatA / prakRti ko dekheM kisa taraha? praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki prakRti ko 'dekhanA ' hI hai aura aba yaha badala nahIM sakatI / phira to koI prazna hI nahIM rahA / dAdAzrI : prakRti ko 'dekhanA ' hai arthAt pataMga ur3AnevAle ko tU dekh| pataMga ur3AnevAle ko tU dUra rahakara 'dekhatA' raha aura tU kahanA z2arUra

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ki 'ohoho, caMdUbhAI Apane to sirpha rauba se hI car3hA dii|' ise ' dekhanA' kahate haiM, prakRti ko 'jAnanA' kahate haiM / tU aisA karatA hai? caMdUbhAI khAe~ use tU dekhatA rahe ki ohoho, mirca khUba khAtA hai, phalAnI dAla nahIM khAtA, jalebI bahuta khAtA hai ! DikaMTrolDa prakRti ke sAmane ....... 72 praznakartA : agara prakRti bagaira kaMTrola kI ho to? dAdAzrI : lekina vaha to apane Apa bagaira kaMTrola kI prakRti hI use phala de degI, sIdhe hii| use hameM sikhAne nahIM jAnA pdd'egaa| ata: agara kaMTrolavAlI prakRti ho to use sukha hI milatA hai aura bagaira kaMTrolavAlI prakRti hotI hai to apane Apa hI usakA phala vahIM ke vahIM mila hI jAtA hai| pulisavAle ke sAtha bagaira kaMTrola kI prakRti karake dekhanA / vahIM ke vahIM phala mila hI jaaegaa| jahA~ dekho vahA~ / ghara meM bhI, sabhI jagaha / arthAt bagaira kaMTrolavAlI ho, to use vahIM ke vahIM phala mila hI jAtA hai apane Apa hI, aMdara hI phala mila jAtA hai| mile binA rahatA hI nahIM / bagaira kaMTrola ke daur3a-bhAga karatA hai / aMta meM Thokara khAkara ThikAne para A jAtA hai| praznakartA: mudde meM pUchanA yaha hai ki kaMTrola ho to acchA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : kaMTrola ho to uttama khlaaegaa| bagaira kaMTrolavAlI ho to use khuda ko mAra par3atI hI hai| kaMTrola meM rahe, usake jaisA to kucha bhI nahIM hai aura jJAna ke AdhAra para prakRti kaMTrola meM raha sakatI hai / praznakartA : jJAna se kaMTrola rahanA arthAt sahaja rUpa se, aisA? dAdAzrI : sahaja zabda ho hI nahIM sakatA na ! puruSArtha se rahatA hai| jise sahaja rUpa se rahatA ho, use to phira Age kucha karane kA rahatA hI nahIM na! khatma hI ho gayA, kAma pUrA ho gyaa| prakRti kA kara tU samabhAva se nikAla jo mAphika Ae na, hama vaha khAte haiM / phira bhI prakRti jAtI nahIM I

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? hai n| hama kaheM phira bhI, prakRti nahIM jaatii| praznakartA : agara prakRti badalanI ho to badalI jA sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti nahIM badalatI aura jo badalatI hai na, vaha isIlie badalatI hai ki vaha badalanevAlI hI thii| praznakartA : isakA artha yaha hai ki prakRti ko badalA jA sakatA dAdAzrI : bilkula bhI nahIM badalI jA sktii| yaha jJAna milane ke bAda samabhAva se nikAla kiyA jA sakatA hai| prakRti badalI nahIM jA sktii| agara prakRti badalI jA sake taba to kalyANa (!) hI ho jAe na! badalanevAlA honA cAhie na! aura badalanevAlA huA to ho gayA! taba to jJAna khatma ho gayA! jJAna se prakRti ekadama DhIlI praznakartA : lekina dAdA, isa jJAna se prakRti narama to par3atI hai na? dAdAzrI : ekadama DhIlI ho jAtI hai kyoMki apane jJAna kI yaha lAiTa aMdara nahIM jAtI hai n| AtmA kI hAz2irI se calatA hai yaha sb| aba AtmA hai, hAz2irI bhI hai lekina khuda kI lAiTa aMdara nahIM jAtI hai na! praznakartA : nahIM jAtI isalie prakRti........ dAdAzrI : DhIlI ho jAtI hai| prakRti calatI z2arUra hai AtmA kI hAz2irI se, lekina lAiTa nahIM jaatii| praznakartA : lAiTa aMdara nahIM pahu~catI arthAt kyA? dAdAzrI : pAvara calA gayA hai sArA / prakRti kA pAvara pUrA ThaMDA par3a gayA hai| DhIlA par3a gayA hai| gussA kiyA vaha sirpha prakRti hai| hama aMdara manA kara rahe hote haiM aura prakRti gussA kara rahI hotI hai, use gussA kahate haiM hm| jaba prakRti aura ahaMkAra donoM milakara karate haiM to use krodha kahate

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiN| ataH ahaMkAra bhItara nahIM jaataa| usameM bhI ahaMkAra nahIM jAtA hai na! isameM pAvara nahIM hai| bagaira pAvaravAlA krodha ho to vaha jalA nahIM detA, vaha jalana nahIM phuNcaataa| 74 sajIva aura nirjIva prakRti isa prakRti meM hameM kisa taraha se baratanA cAhie itanA hama jJAna se kara sakate haiN| apanI dakhala nahIM ho to prakRti bahuta kAma nahIM kara sakatI / prakRti kaba kAma karatI hai? khuda aMdara ekAkAra rahe bha bahuta phaoNrsavAlI hotI hai| khuda usase alaga ho gayA to prakRti vilaya hI hotI rahatI hai nirNtr| nirjIva ho gaI hai na ! jabaki ahaMkAravAlI prakRti to sajIva hai| praznakartA: dakhala karane se sajIva ho jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to Ar3Apana bhI karatA hai / aMdara bharA huA mAla hai, Ar3Apana bhI karatA hai| praznakartA : to phira jJAna lene ke bAda prakRti sudhara sakatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : halkI ho jAtI hai| prakRti apanA kAma kie bagaira to rahatI hI nahIM lekina judA par3a sakatI hai / mRtapAya ho jAtI hai| aisI ho jAtI hai jaise usameM se jIva nikAla liyA ho / praznakartA : vaha mRtaprAya ho cukI hai lekina usakA iphekTa to rahegA hI na? dAdAzrI : iphekTa bhI jaba taka hama kacce haiM tabhI taka / bAkI, hara eka jIva hAvabhAva se jItA hai| usameM se bhAva nikAla lenA hai, to phira hAva se rhegaa|'haavbhaav kaise the?' pUchate haiM / usameM bhAva apanA aura hAva usakA, prakRti kA! praznakartA : hAva kA artha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : bhAva ke alAvA bAkI kA jo kucha bhI hai usakA artha hai haav| bhAva, vaha (vyavahAra) AtmA kA hai| bAkI kA sArA hAva prakRti

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? 75 kaa| hama jaba jJAna dete haiM to usa bhAva ko nikAla lete haiM na! phira ahaMkAra mRtaprAya rahatA hai| yAnI ki bhAva ahaMkAra khiMca jAtA hai| dravya ahaMkAra rahatA hai usake baad| bhAva prakRti khatma ho jAtI hai aura dravya prakRti rahatI hai| praznakartA : dUsaroM kI naz2aroM meM to apanI prakRti vahI kI vahI rahI na? dAdAzrI : vaha to kahIM badalatI nahIM hai| lekina unheM aisA patA cala jAtA hai ki isameM bhAva nahIM hai| isalie bahuta du:kha nahIM hotA sAmanevAle ko| bhAva rahe, tabhI use duHkha hotA hai| hAva nahIM ho aura sirpha bhAva rahe to bhI bahuta duHkha hotA hai| svabhAva prakRti kA aura kartApana khuda kA paMkhe meM sirpha svabhAva hI hai| badalatA nahIM hai yh| cAhe kaise bhI maMtra phUMkeM, taMtra kareM phira bhI kucha nahIM hotA jabaki ina manuSyoM meM to prakRti kA svabhAva aura kartApana donoM rahate haiN| yaha jJAna milA hai, isalie phira kartApana nikala jAtA hai| sirpha svabhAva hI bcaa| kartApana kama ho jAtA hai| isalie hameM aisA lagatA hai ki 'oho! kitanA badalAva ho gayA hai ! isakA svabhAva badala gayA!' praznakartA : kartApana chUTa jAe to usake bAda svabhAva nahIM badalatA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha svabhAva to phira dhIre-dhIre khatma hotA jAtA hai| hama baoNla DAlate haiM, usake jaisA hai| z2arA U~cI uThatI hai, phira usase kama U~cI hotI hai, phira aise karate-karate baMda ho jAtI hai| isa jJAna ke bAda basa, kartApanavAlA bhAga hI badala jAtA hai isalie hameM aisA lagatA hai ki yaha badala gayA hai| phira bhI usakA svabhAva to badalatA hI nhiiN| kartApana badalane se hameM aisA lagatA hai ki svabhAva meM badalAva A gyaa| hama una sabhI ko svabhAva mAnate haiN| prakRti svabhAva mAnate haiN| praznakartA : yaha z2arA samajha meM nahIM aayaa| yaha kyA kahA Apane? dAdAzrI : kartApana hI calA jAtA hai jJAna se, ataH sirpha prakRti

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76 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) svabhAva hI rahatA hai| usase hama aisA mAnate aura jAnate haiM ki yaha pahale aisA thA aura aba kyoM badala gayA hai? kartApana sahita jo svabhAva thA, vaha cenja ho gayA, isalie hameM badalA huA lagatA hai| lekina vAstava meM vaha badalA huA nahIM hai| isameM se kartApana kA kucha bhAga khatma ho gayA jJAna se| ye jo bacce hote haiM na, unameM sirpha svabhAva hI hai aura bar3A hone ke bAda svabhAva kartApana sahita hotA hai| (jJAna ke bAda) usakA kartApana calA jAtA hai to sirpha svabhAva hI bacatA hai| to hama mana meM samajhate haiM ki isakA svabhAva badala gayA hai| jo kartApana sahita hai, use hama svabhAva kahate haiN| vaha badala gayA isalie phira mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki isameM yaha badalAva ho gayA hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki kartApana jAne ke bAda bhI mUla prakRti svabhAva to rahegA hI? dAdAzrI : vaha to rahegA hii| usake bAda prakRti Dimoliza hotI jAtI hai| kyoMki anya Avaka (kamAI) nahIM rhii| eka bAra baoNla ko DAlane ke bAda vaha aise Dimoliza hote-hote baMda ho jAtI hai| phira se agara TappA lagAyA jAe to vApasa zurU ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : 'kartApana kA svabhAva kaisA hotA hai?' z2arA udAharaNa dekara smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : krodha to iMsAna bacce para bhI karatA hai aura bAhara duzmana para bhI karatA hai| usa krodha aura kartApanA kA svabhAva kaisA hai, bacce kI ora? bacce ke hita ke lie hai| jabaki duzmana ke sAtha khuda ke hita ke lie hai| ataH jaba vaha bacce ke hita ke lie krodha karatA hai, vaha puNya baMdhana karavAtA hai| bacce kA bhalA ho, usake lie bApa khuda apane Apako jalAtA hai| krodha arthAt jlaanaa| kartApane kA svabhAva khatma ho jAne para sirpha krodha hI raha jAtA hai| kartApana kA vaha sArA svabhAva khatma ho jAe, phira bhI krodha hotA

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? 77 hai| vaha bhI nirjIva cIz2a hai| yaha krodha nirjIva hai| vaha to jaba kartApanA sahita hotA hai, tabhI jIvaMta kahalAtA hai| jJAna ke bAda ApakA sArA kartApana khatma ho jAtA hai na, isalie yaha krodha duHkhadAI rahatA hI nhiiN| cIMTImaccharoM ke kATane ko kATanA nahIM khte| bicchU kATe, taba use kATanA kahate haiN| ye cIMTI-macchara jaisA bacA hai aba! bicchU jaisA kATanA calA gayA hai| sabhI gA~The ahaMkAra kI hI haiM, paaglpn| use dAdA khatma kara dete haiM na! dikhAI de to 'hama' baoNsa aura na dikhAI de to 'prakRti' baoNsa praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki kisI kI prakRti hamezA hI DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) karanevAlI ho, to 'merI prakRti aisI hai' aisA karake usakA rakSaNa to nahIM karanA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : rakSaNa kare use bhI hameM jAnanA caahie| rakSaNa karanevAlI bhI prakRti hai| praznakartA : lekina puruSArtha meM rahane ke lie hameM isa prakRti ko ghor3A banAkara lagAma kasakara usa para baiThanA caahie| eka bAra manA kiyA, dUsarI bAra manA kiyA to hameM samajha nahIM jAnA cAhie ki yaha prakRti apane para savAra ho gaI hai! to hameM prakRti para kaise savAra honA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba taka hameM prakRti dikhAI detI hai, taba taka hama savAra hai, aura agara nahIM dikhAI de to vaha hama para savAra haiN| praznakartA : isakA artha yaha huA ki jaba isa kharAba prakRti ko dekhate haiM, taba vAstava meM hama usa para savAra hI haiM! mAna lIjie ki merI prakRti zaMkA karane kI hai, to aise saMyoga khar3e hote haiM ki zaMkA hone lagI, to vaha prakRti to bilkula kharAba hai kyoMki zaMkA to honI hI nahIM caahie| taba aise samaya meM isa prakRti kA kyA karanA cAhie? use sIdhe rAste para lAne ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : Apako sIdhA ho jAnA hai|

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78 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : yAnI ki vaha jo bhI kare, use karane denA haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : lekina yoM sAmAnya taura para jaba khuda ko dekhate haiM taba aisA lagatA hai jaise khuda kI prakRti ko dekha rahe hoM ki subaha se zAma taka prakRti kyA kara rahI hai! dAdAzrI : prakRti ko hI dekhanA hai| praznakartA : aura AsapAsa dekheM to auroM kI prakRti bhI dikhAI detI hai| aisA hotA hai| dAdAzrI : sabakucha dikhegaa| vaha jo dikhAI detA hai na, usameM dekhanA caahie| hameM kahA~ kamiyA~ nikAlanI haiM? prakRti to dikhegii| prakRti meM kamiyA~ kise kahate haiM? praznakartA : dAdA, lekina aisA hai ki pahale kI bahuta sArI AdateM haiM na, isalie kabhI-kabhI kaha dete haiM ki aisA nahIM honA caahie| aisA jo ho rahA hai vaha nahIM karanA caahie|' aisA kaha dete haiN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nhiiN| prakRti meM kamiyA~ kauna dekhatA hai? jisameM abhI taka bhrAMti ke guNa haiM, vahI dekhatA hai| bAkI, bhagavAna ke vahA~ kamiyoM jaisA hai hI nhiiN| sabakucha jJeya hI hai| bhagavAna ke vahA~ yaha acchA aura yaha burA hai, aisA bhAva vahA~ para nahIM hai| dvaMdva nahIM hai vahA~ pr| isalie phira vahA~ para aisA nahIM dekhanA hai| isalie agara kucha kharAba ho to hama use bhI dekhate haiM acchI taraha se| sabakucha dekhate haiM lekina aMdara hamArA bhAva nahIM bigdd'taa| hamArA jJAna nahIM bigdd'taa| yaha acchA-burA to samAja ne banAyA hai| apane meM kucha galata ho lekina vaha auroM ko acchA bhI laga sakatA hai| mujhe jalebI pasaMda ho aura Apa manA kareM to isameM acche-bure kA savAla hI kahA~ rahA? yaha to, phekTa samajha lene kI z2arUrata hai jJAnI se| hama niraMtara isI taraha rahate haiN| to eka-eka phekTa ko samajha lenA hai sAtha meM baitthkr| Apako jo ar3acana hai vaha pUcha lenA aura Apa ar3acana

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? pUcho to maiM javAba detA huuN| yaha saba bhrAMti meM to thA hI na ! acchA aura burA kahA~ nahIM thA? praznakartA : abhI taka yahI saba kiyA thA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / bhrAMti meM to yaha thA hI na, lekina seTiMga karate hue aisA saba hotA hai / taba agara vApasa pUchoge to nikala jAegA vaaps| phira thor3A samaya bIta jAne para vApasa bhUla jAte ho / phira se vaisA AtA hai, vApasa bhUla jAte ho| aise karate-karate vaha kama hotA jaaegaa| saba se aMtima sTeja kauna sI hai ki caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, use Apa dekho aura jAno, aura jo ho gayA, vahI karekTa hai / ye do cIz2eM saba se aMtima sTeja haiN| aise rahA jA sakatA hai yA nahIM rahA jA sakatA? 79 praznakartA : rahA jA sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~ ! phira kyA hai ? vastu apane hAtha meM A gaI hai| jaba pataMga kI Dora hAtha meM A jAe na, usake bAda cAhe kitane bhI gote khAe, phira kyA harja hai? khIMcane se ThIka ho jAtI hai| pahale to DorI hI hAtha meM nahIM thI, pataMga kI DorI hI hAtha meM nahIM thI to phira gote khAne para vaha hAtha meM kaise AtI? praznakartA : prakRti kI lagAma hAtha meM A gaI, aisA kaba kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti jaba mor3I jA sake, usa dina hameM patA cala jAegA ki Aja ise mor3A jA skaa| hamArA ( dekhakara) patA nahIM calatA? praznakartA : prakRti dikhAI detI hai lekina use mor3A nahIM jA sakatA / dAdAzrI : to phira vaha z2arA z2yAdA khlaaegaa| jaba taka vaha sune nahIM taba taka usake sAtha yaha silasilA jArI rakhanA par3egA, bAda meM vaha kabhI na kabhI sunegii| jise prakRti jItanI hI hai, use harAnevAlA koI hai hI nahIM /

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80 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) Ter3hI prakRti ko bhI jAna tujhe aisA koI anubhava huA hai? praznakartA : hA~, huA hai na, daadaa| nahAne ke lie pahale daur3anA, yAtrA meM aisA z2yAdA dikhAI diyaa| dAdAzrI : car3hane meM, utarane meM sabhI meM vaha svArthI / usake raMga-DhaMga alaga hI hote haiN| praznakartA : usakI naz2ara vahIM para rahatI hai, usakA lakSa (jAgRti) vahIM para rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : prakRti meM vaha bhale hI ho, lekina use acchA lagatA hai isalie, abhI taka to use isakI khabara hI nahIM par3I hai| yaha to jaba maiMne samajhAyA tb| hara bAra yaha samajha meM AnA cAhie ki aisA nahIM honA caahie| aisA kyoM ho rahA hai?' taba phira jo ho jAtA hai, vaha prakRti hai| lekina Apako patA calanA cAhie ki 'aisA kyoM ho rahA hai, aisA nahIM honA caahie|' praznakartA : to vaha prakRti hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'abhI taka bhI nahAne meM jaldabAz2I kyoM hotI hai? 'jaldI khA lU~' aisI jaldabAz2I kyoM hotI hai?' aisA saba bhAna rahanA caahie| nahIM rahanA cAhie? to usakA jo bhAna nahIM rahA, usa vajaha se yaha galatI ho gaI hai| agara bhAna rahe, to 'prakRti ko huA,' aisA kahA jAegA na! vaha jaisI prakRti lAyA hai, usI taraha prakRti khula rahI hai| sAr3he cha: ko uThanevAlA vyakti Aja sAr3he pA~ca baje hI kyoM idharaudhara ho rahA hai| taba samajhanA ki yaha svArthI hai! saMDAsa jA AU~ nahIM to ye loga ghusa jaaeNge| patA calatA hai na hameM? aba, vaha svArthI hai, usameM bhI koI dikkata nahIM hai lekina usakI jAgRti meM rahanA cAhie ki 'yaha jo ho rahA hai vaha galata ho rahA hai| usakI prakRti aisI hai|' prakRti bhI dikhAI na de, aisA hai saba! dhIre-dhIre satsaMga meM rahane se, sevAbhAva se Age bar3hA jA skegaa|

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[1.6] kyA prakRti para prabhutva prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai? vahI hai rokanevAlA bar3A kacarA 81 Apake kacare alaga, inake kacare alaga | praznakartA : kacare to pudgala ke guNa nahIM hote? kucha cIz2oM meM to usakI khuda kI bhI icchA nahIM hai / ataH ye saba prAkRtika guNa haiM na? pudgala kehI guNoM ko aisA kahate haiM na, acche yA bure ? dAdAzrI : pudgala ke hue usase koI harja nahIM hai| lekina AtmA para pudgala kA itanA z2yAdA asara ho gayA hai ki AtmA kA calanA-phiranA baMda ho gayA hai, parahez2a ho gayA hai| itanA asara hai pudgala kaa| isameM se z2arA pacAsa pratizata kama ho jAe to AtmA mukta ho jAegA, to phira AtmA zaktizAlI banegA / praznakartA : to Apa kahate haiM na 'prakRti kA eka bhI guNa mujha meM nahIM haiM aura merA eka bhI guNa prakRti meM nahIM haiM / ' dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina 'tujha meM nahIM hai' yAnI ki terApana rahanA cAhie na? prakRti kA eka bhI guNa 'khuda kA' nahIM mAneM aura 'khuda ke' sabhI guNoM ko jAneM, ve 'jJAnI' / eka bhI guNa ko 'khuda kA' mAne to saMsAra meM pha~satA hai| prakRti kA bahuta dabAva hai na! prakRti iMsAna ko, AtmA to na jAne kahA~ rahA, lekina pazu taka banA detI hai / praznakartA: dAdA ne kahA hai na abhI ki 'inake kacare alaga, Apake kacare alg| ' hamAre kacare meM kyA hai? kaisA hai ? dAdAzrI : hara eka ke kacare alaga-alaga hI hote haiM na ! ve bhI durgaMdha mArane lagate haiM / sugaMdha nahIM aatii| lekina ye sabhI kacare nikala jAe~ge, kucha hI dinoM meM, jinakI icchA hai unake nikala jAe~ge / praznakartA : ApakI hAz2irI meM hI nikala jAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : hA~, kisI-kisI ke to ve hAz2irI meM bhI nahIM niklte|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : Apake kahane ke bAda agara inakI icchA hogI to nikala jAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : hA~, icchA hotI hai lekina vApasa thor3I dera bAda kahatA hai na, 'lekina merI samajha meM nahIM A rahA hai|' to phira ho gayA vApasa jaisA thA vaisA hii| kauna se tharmAmITara ke AdhAra para tU pUcha rahA hai? eka bhI tharmAmITara sahI nahIM hai| khuda ke tharmAmITara se dekhatA hai ki '102 DigrI bukhAra cddh'aa|' phira bhI, yahA~ par3A rahegA to AtmA prApta ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : jo loga dAdA ke caraNoM meM A gae haiM, unheM AtmA prApta ho hI jAegA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, unakA to kAma hI nikala jAegA na! hotI hai prakRti vilaya 'sAmAyika' meM Apa zuddhAtmA ho gae to prakRti sAhajika huii| jo sAhajika hai vaha to DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) karane de vaisI hotI nahIM hai| aura kyoMki sAhajika ho gaI hai, to vaha vyavasthita hai| ataH hama Apa se aisA nahIM kahate ki 'tujhe kharAba vicAra Ae to tU jahara pI le|' aba to agara kharAba vicAra AyA to kharAba ko jAnA aura acchA vicAra AyA to acche ko jaanaa| lekina aba yaha saba vilaya kaise hogA? kitanA kucha to aisA hai jo kaMTrola meM nahIM A sktaa| Apa jo kaha rahe ho vaha aisI cIz2a hai jo vilaya nahIM ho sktii| usakA hameM rAstA nikAlanA pdd'egaa| ekAdha ghaMTe baiThakara jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha se vaha cIz2a vilaya hogii| jisa bhI prakRti ko vilaya karanA ho, vaha isa taraha se vilaya ho sakatI hai| eka ghaMTA baiThakara aura khuda jJAtA banakara una cIz2oM ko apane sAmane jJeya ke rUpa meM dekho| to vaha prakRti dhIre-dhIre vilaya hotI jaaegii| sabhI taraha kI prakRtiyA~ yahA~ para khatma ho sakatI haiM, aisA hai|

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... prakRti likhe aura puruSa miTAe praznakartA : ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, yaha sArI prakRti kyA tiryaMca gati meM bhI rahatI hai? isI prakAra se? dAdAzrI : hA~, devagati meM, sabhI meM, jahA~ dekho vahA~ para yahI prkRti| inheM graMthiyA~ kahate haiM aura jaba ve calI jAe~ taba nigraMtha kahalAtA hai| arthAt ina graMthiyoM se baMdhA huA hai vaha, vaha kyA kara sakatA hai? isakA koI upAya hI nahIM hai| yaha to, apane jaisA jJAna mile aura aMdara graMthiyoM para pakar3a pakar3avAe ki bhAI, yaha alaga aura tU alaga,' taba jAkara kucha chUTatI haiN| ye graMthiyA~ bhI alaga haiM aura yaha caMdUbhAI bhI alaga hai| yaha sabhI kucha alaga hai| aba inheM dekhate rhnaa| apanA vijJAna bahuta suMdara hai| binA mehanata ke maz2e haiM aura AnaMda hai na? praznakartA : lekina jaba prakRti ke mAla kI pahacAna karavA dete haiM, tabhI vaha pakar3a meM AtI hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : jaba isa prakRti kA padaccheda (vizleSaNa) hotA hai taba mUla meM se jAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : apanA vijJAna to sabakucha samajhA detA hai ki 'yaha lobha AyA, phalAnA AyA' kyoMki judA rahakara dekhanevAle haiM na! caMdUbhAI kA lobha nahIM chUTatA, lekina hameM samajha meM A jAtA hai ki caMdUbhAI kA lobha

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84 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM chUTa rahA hai| taba phira hama use Toka dete haiM ! kaise bhI samajhAkara pA~capaccIsa haz2Ara rUpaye dilavA dete haiM na kisI jagaha para! praznakartA : prakRti kA chedana karane ke sabhI upAya, kyA puruSArtha vibhAga meM Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI n| yoM kaise bhI karake samajhA diyA ki calI gAr3I! khuda kI prakRti kI bhUleM dikha sakeM, aisA nahIM ho pAtA kyoMki prakRti ko prakRti kI bhUleM nahIM dikhAI detI, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha va ahaMkAra ko aura buddhi ko khuda kI bhUleM dikhAI nahIM detiiN| khuda hI prakRti hai na! isalie khuda kI bhUleM dikhAI nahIM detiiN| jo dikhAI detI haiM ve bahuta bar3IbaDI hotI haiM, z2abaradasta! ve dikhAI detI haiN| unake alAvA anaMta bhUleM haiN| nirA bhUla kA bhaMDAra hai lekina dikhAI nahIM detiiN| yadi bhUleM dikhAI dene lageM to bhagavAna bana jaae| jJAna milane ke bAda bhUleM kisa mAdhyama se dikhane lagatI haiM? prajJAzakti se| AtmA meM se jo prajJAzakti prakaTa huI hai, usase sabhI bhUleM dikhane lagatI haiM aura ve bhUleM dikhAI dene lagatI haiM isalie turaMta apanA niber3A le Ate haiN| hama kahate haiM ki 'bhAI, pratikramaNa kro|' prajJAzakti vaha dAg2a dikhAtI hai taba hama kahate haiM ki 'ise dho do|' isa taraha sabhI kapar3e dho dene haiN| sabhI dAgoM ke pratikramaNa kie to phira sApha! praznakartA : dAdA, yaha jo sleTa miTAkara sApha kara dI hai, aba phira se usa para koI citraNa na ho, aisI zakti diijie| dAdAzrI : prakRti likhatI hai aura puruSa miTAtA hai| prakRti likha detI hai bhUla se aura puruSa miTA detA hai| prakRti likhe bagaira rahatI nahIM hai aura puruSa hue haiM isalie puruSArtha se puruSa miTA dete haiN| vItarAgoM ne aisI khoja kI hai| kyoMki prakRti meM puruSArtha nahIM hai| puruSa puruSArthavAlA prakRti to abhiprAya rakhegI, sabhI kucha rakhegI lekina hameM abhiprAya rahita bananA hai| prakRti arthAt apanA bhI yaha jo cAritra moha hai na, vaha

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... abhiprAya rakhatA hai, lekina hameM abhiprAya rahita bananA hai| usakA bharA huA mAla nikala rahA hai / 85 bipharI prakRti ke sAmane prakRti ke dhakke kI vajaha se koI vyakti kisI para ugra ho jAtA hai, lekina turaMta hI usake bAda khuda kisameM hotA hai ? 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie' usa bhAva meM hai aura jagat ke loga, jo ho jAtA hai, usI bhAva meM rahate haiN| arthAt donoM meM bahuta pharka hai / ApakA to saba kAma sahamati se calatA hai na? praznakartA : aisA hotA hai / lekina phira Aja kA abhiprAya usase alaga par3a jAtA hai I dAdAzrI : phira kitane TAima meM? jAgRti to turaMta ghaMTe-do ghaMTe meM A jAnI cAhie! lekina mAla aisA kacarA bharA huA hai ki... to kitanI hI bAtoM meM patA hI nahIM calatA / tujhe nahIM lagatA aisA? kitane ghaMToM meM vaha khayAla AnA cAhie ki yaha galata hai? do ghaMToM meM, cAra ghaMToM meM yA bAraha ghaMToM meM, lekina khayAla AnA cAhie ki yaha galata ho gyaa| abhI bhI kitanI hI cIz2oM ke bAre meM ho jAtA hai lekina Apako patA nahIM calatA / mujhe patA cala jAtA hai ki ye Ter3he cle| hameM patA cala jAtA hai yA nahIM? phira bhI hama calane dete haiN| kyoMki hama jAnate haiM ki yaha abhI rAste para A jaaegaa| hai? jo prakRti ke sAmane jAgRta, vaha jJAnI praznakartA : yaha, jAgRti rahe, usake lie prakRti kitanI helpa karatI dAdAzrI : vaha, AtmA helpa karatA hai / praznakartA : arthAt prakRti jaba upazama bhAva meM hotI hai, taba jAgRti meM helpa karatI hai| kyA aisA hai ?

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86 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha to apane Apa hI hotA hai| usake karma kA udaya ho to upazama ho jAtI hai| aura usake upazama ho jAne ke bAda jAgRti rahe to vaha bahuta kAma kI nahIM hai| prakRti upazama na ho, prakRti pratirodha kare, usa samaya jo jAgRta rahe, vaha jJAnI kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina jJAnI pada to jaba prakRti upazama meM se Age jAkara kSaya ho cukI ho, taba utpanna hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha to pUrI kSaya ho jAtI hai| jaba pratirodha karatI hai taba vaha to kSaya hone ke lie AtI hai| isalie usase kahanA ki pratirodha kr| upazama karanA arthAt cakkara lgvaanaa| jaba mA~ganevAle ko de dete haiM taba niber3A AtA hai, nahIM to vApasa Ae~ge ye, 'Ao, Ao saahb|' are, pA~ca haz2Ara de de na yahA~ se| sAhaba Ae haiN| ve mA~ga rahe haiM islie| lekina yaha to use vApasa nikAlanA hai na isalie maskA mAratA hai, jaise ki vaha chor3a degI! chor3a detI hai kyA? nahIM chor3atI? hai na? balki cAya-pAnI pIkara jAtI hai aura rauba mArakara jAtA hai| muphta kA cAya-nAztA kara jAtI hai aura karja to khar3A hI rahatA hai| use kahate haiM upshm| prAkRtika gA~ThoM ko roke jJAna prakAza praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki koI lobha kI gA~Tha ho to kyA aisA hai ki usa samaya jJAna kA prakAza kama ho jAtA hai? yAnI ki prakRti ke AdhAra para yaha jJAna kA prakAza hai? eka tarapha kama-z2yAdA hotA hai yA sirpha jAgRti ke AdhAra para kama-z2yAdA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti aMtarAya DAlatI hai usmeN| isa jJAna kA to jo prakAza diyA hai vaha phula prakAza hai lekina yaha prakRti bIca meM dakhalaMdAjI karatI hai| praznakartA : prakRti jo dakhala karatI hai, vaha usake pichale karma ke adhIna, ve use dakhala karavAte haiM? dAdAzrI : vahI! aura nahIM to kyA? vahI prakRti hai| pichale karma,

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... vahI prakRti hai| hameM vaisA z2yAdA jhamelA nahIM hotaa| isalie hameM dakhaMlAdAz2I nahIM hotii| praznakartA : vahA~ para kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| vahA~ para basa jo kucha ulTA-sIdhA ho jAtA hai, usake pratikramaNa karate rahanA hai| yaha pUrA mArga pratikramaNa kA hI hai| zUTa oNna sAiTa kA mArga hai| yadi zUTa oNna sAiTa calatA rahe tabhI Apa ise kAbU kara sakoge, nahIM to kAbU nahIM kara pAoge! dabAva se nahIM, samajha se baMda jitanA mAla bharA hai, utanA mAla to usI ko zuddha karanA hai! praznakartA : kitanA mAla hai, vaha to maiM kaise kaha sakatA hU~? dAdAzrI : vaha to kahA jA sakatA hai na! prakRti ke vicAra Ate haiM sAre, sugaMdha AtI haiM, sabakucha AtA hai| usake eviDensa khar3e hote haiM na, kamiMga ivenTasa kAsTa diyara zeDoz2a biphor| yaha z2ora-z2abaradastI se prakRti para davAba DAlane kA mArga hI nahIM hai na! ahaMkAra hogA tabhI iMsAna dabAva DAla sakatA hai na! aura phira dabAva to kahIM rahatA hogA? na jAne kaba chaTaka kara nikala jAe! praznakartA : prakRti para dabAva nahIM DAlanA hai to kyA use nAcane denA hai? dAdAzrI : nAcane to denA hI nahIM hai lekina dabAva nahIM DAlanA hai! use kuMda kara denA hai, kisI cIz2a meM koI sAra yA guNa nahIM hai agara aisA samajha meM A jAe na, to vRttiyA~ baMda ho jAtI haiN| apane Apa hI baMda ho jAtI haiN| agara use aisA pakkA samajha meM A jAe ki sAra aura guNavattA nahIM hai, balki nukasAnadAyaka hai, to vRttiyA~ baMda ho jaaeNgii| samajhAkara dekhnaa| DiscArja prakRti meM na lo AnaMda miThAsa kA kisI bhI pravRtti kI prakRti jo bana hI cukI hai, to jaba taka vaha

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) prakRti karavAe taba taka karanA lekina bar3hAvA mata denaa| aMdara ruci nahIM lenI caahie| yaha hitakArI pravRtti nahIM hai / jo kArya kara sakate ho na, vaha DiscArja ho rahA hai| jo kArya Apa se ho rahA hai, vaha DiscArja hai| lekina usameM Apa jo ruci lete ho, vaha ruci mata lenaa| ye ruci lene yogya cIjeM nahIM hai| ye Apako bhaTakAkara pheMka deNgii| jo mIThA lagatA hai, svAdiSTa lagatA hai, vaha girA degA ! 88 yaha jo prakRti utpanna ho cukI hai na, to abhI Apa usake kartA nahIM ho, yaha to DiscArja hai / isIlie hama DA~Tate nahIM hai ki 'aisA huA ?' lekina Apako enkareja bhI nahIM karate / Apako mana meM aisA lagegA ki 'na jAne kyA ho gayA yaha !' to balki bigAr3a doge ! bagaira samajhe, kise kitanI davAI denI hai, vaha jAnate nahIM ho aura cAhe kisI ko bhI davAI de doge| vaha ApakA kAma nahIM hai / yaha saba to prakRti hai, use udAsIna bhAva se dekhate rho| bahuta inTaresTa mata lenA / isa prakRti se kisI ko nukasAna nahIM ho, utanA dekha lenA / khuda kA jo kArya hai, vaha karanA / yaha to sira para A par3I, bharI huI prakRti hai! chuTakArA hI nahIM haiM / DhU~Dha nikAlegI kucha ulTA, vahA~ para jA AegI / jisameM svAda Ae, usameM miThAsa AtI hai| aura phira yaha miThAsa prAkRtika miThAsa hai, AtmA kI miThAsa nahIM hai| abhI to bahuta kucha karanA bAkI hai| praznakartA : usake bAre meM z2arA vistAra se samajhAie / dAdAzrI : Apa sabhI ye pA~ca AjJA hI pAlo na, usI meM gahare utro| abhI taka pA~ca AjJA kA bhI pUrI taraha se pAlana nahIM ho rahA na! yaha to, Apako acchA lage aisA kucha kahate haiN| yAnI ki hameM khuzI nahIM hai, phira bhI khuzI dikhAI hai / praznakartA : Apako sabhI galatiyA~ batAne kA yahI kAraNa hai| hameM propara mArgadarzana milegA hI yahA~ para, aisA hameM dRr3ha vizvAsa hai / kucha bhI nahIM chupAne kA kAraNa hI yaha hai ! dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba miThAsa Ane lagatI hai na, taba chupAne lagatA

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... hai hama se! bAkI, zuruAta meM to hama se pUchatA hai / usake bAda jaba bahuta miThAsa Ane lagatI hai, taba chupAne lagatA hai| sAvadhAna hokara calanA prakRti ko karo mApha 89 praznakartA : Apake satsaMga meM ApakA yaha vacana AyA thA ki khuda kI prakRti ko mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai, lekina usakA rakSaNa nahIM karanA cAhie, usakA bacAva nahIM karanA caahie| usakA bheda z2arA samajhAie udAharaNa dekr| dAdAzrI : jaba rakSaNa aura bacAva karate haiM taba hama prakRti ke sAtha hI ho gae arthAt 'para' ke mAlika bana gae / prakRti ne ulTA kiyA ho to use mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai kyoMki taba khuda meM rahakara mApha kara sakate haiN| jabaki bacAva to 'para' meM jAkara karanA par3atA hai| 'para' ke mAlika bana jAte haiN| usane cAhe kaisA bhI gunAha kiyA ho to bhI mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai| mApha to khuda usase alaga rahakara kiyA jA sakatA hai aura jaba bacAva karate haiM to 'para' ke mAlika banakara hI karate haiM / rakSaNa kareM taba 'para' ke mAlika banakara hI karate haiM / usI pakSavAlA ho gayA na ! aura mApha karanA usa pakSa kA nahIM kahalAtA / mApha karanA to khuda kA svabhAva hI hai| praznakartA : prakRti ko mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai, khuda ke svabhAva meM rahakara, to vaha kyA hai ? I dAdAzrI : prakRti cAhe kitanI bhI galata ho phira bhI use mApha karane ke sivA anya koI ucca (behatara) rAstA nahIM hai / bAkI sabhI rAste tanmayAkAra hone ke haiM isalie mApha kara pAe to alaga raha paaoge| prakRti kharAba ho aura usakA bacAva kiyA to usa pakSa meM calA gayA / rakSaNa karane se to prakRti bar3ha jAtI hai| khuda ko acchI lage, aisI prakRti A jAe na to use rAga kahate haiM / rakSaNa karanA arthAt prakRti para rAga / bacAva karanA bhI rAga hI hai| praznakartA : 'isa prakRti ko hI mApha kara do,' isakA matalaba kyA hai?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa karanevAlA karatA hai na! arthAt jo bhI doSa ho gayA ho usake lie mAphI mA~gatA hai| ataH pratikramaNa karanevAlI prakRti hai aura mApha karanevAle bhagavAna haiN| yAnI ki mAphI mA~ganevAle alaga haiM aura mAphI denevAle alaga haiN| ina donoM ke bIca aura koI saMbaMdha nahIM hai jabaki bacAne meM to bahuta bar3A saMbaMdha hai! bar3A z2abaradasta saMbaMdha ho, taba bacAva hotA hai| praznakartA : hA~, rAga ke binA nahIM bcaataa| dAdAzrI : use rAga kaho yA kucha bhI kaho lekina saba se bar3A saMbaMdha to agara vaha 'para' kA mAlika hai to bacAva karegA hii| bacAne ke lie aura koI zabda rahA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : to prakRti kA poSaNa nahIM karanA hai, rakSaNa nahIM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, rakSaNa nahIM karanA hai arthAt kyA ki AtmA hue haiM aura phira prakRti kA rakSaNa kareM to galata kahalAegA na? z2yAdA rakSaNa kareM to phira usI pakSa ke ho gae n| isa prakRti kA bacAva karake, aura rakSaNa karake hI yaha muzkila khar3I huI hai aura pratikramaNa se dhula jAtI hai| praznakartA : Apane hameM jo dRSTi dI hai, vaha dhone kI dRSTi dI hai, phira bhI prakRti kA rakSaNa kyoM kara dete haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha to isIlie ki abhI taka prakRti ke pakSa meM ho| hama to prakRti kA rakSaNa nahIM krte| prakRti kA to jahA~ se doSa dikhA ki turaMta kaba mApha ho jAe, usI kI taiyArI rahatI hai| abhI bhI rakSaNa kara dete haiM, vaha to bhayaMkara gunAha hai| use chupAe~ to bhI rakSaNa hai, vaha bhI gunAha hai| Apa kaho ki hA~ dAdA, yaha galata hai|' to mujhe kaha denA cAhie ki 'bhAI, galata hai|' maiM bacAva karane ke lie anya zabda kA upayoga karU~, vakAlata karU~ to gunAha hai| praznakartA : isa taraha se chupAnA, vaha kamaz2orI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha gunAha hI kahalAtA hai|

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... praznakartA: aura dAdA, auroM kI prakRti ko mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai lekina kyA khuda kI prakRti ko mApha kiyA jA sakatA hai? 91 dAdAzrI : kiyA jA sakatA hai na! mApha karanA hI cAhie ! mApha nahIM karoge to aura koI aisA rAstA nahIM hai ki jo itanA sarala ho / praznakartA: dAdA aise mApha karanA bhI eka prakAra kA jajamenTa ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, use jajamenTa kaho yA kucha bhI kho| prakRti ke AdhAra para jajamenTa hai aura yahA~ jJAna meM jajamenTa nahIM hotaa| jajamenTa to, jahA~ para ahaMkAra ke saude hote haiM, vahA~ jajamenTa kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : prakRti ko mApha kaise kiyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : na to usa para cir3ha, na hI kucha aur| khuda kI prakRti para cir3hanA nahIM hai, rakSaNa nahIM karanA hai / aura mApha kara denA yAnI ki usake prati rAga nahIM aura dveSa bhI nahIM, vItarAgatA / kharAba to nikalegA hI / jJAnI kA bhI kharAba mAla nikalatA hai kabhI, lekina usake prati hama vItarAga ho jAte haiM turaMta ! prakRti se jo kucha bhI hotA hai, vaha kisa meM haiM? udayakarma AyA hai| prakRti ko jo bhoganA par3A, vaha bhogate ho| maiM jo yaha kahatA hU~, to vApasa mana meM aisA hotA hai ki aisA kyoM kahA thA ! lekina usameM calatA nahIM hai apanA kyoMki prakRti meM guthA huA hai, to vaha bolegI hii| use hameM dekhate hI rahanA hai| maiM jo kahanA cAhatA hU~ vaha samajha meM AyA yA nahIM? kampalITa! samajha meM A jAe to bahuta kAma ho jAegA na ! doSa dikhAI de vahA~ para honA khuza jise khuda ko nahIM baMdhanA ho, use kauna bA~dhe ? praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai lekina agara prakRti ke aise sabhI pahalU khuda ko nahIM dikha rahe hoM, to .....

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM dikha rahe haiM to mAra khAkara dikheMge! praznakartA : vaha kucha bhAga jo nahIM dikhAI detA.... dAdAzrI : vaha bAda meM dikhegaa| dUsare janma meM dikhegaa| sabhI kucha eka sAtha kaise dikhegA? jitanA dikhatA hai vaha saba, usake lie pArTI denI cAhie ki itane dikhe| bAkI ke to nahIM dikhte| thor3e bahuta dikhate haiM na? praznakartA : DheroM dikhate haiM daadaa| dAdAzrI : taba to phira pArTI do sabhI ko| bhagavAna kI bhASA se clnaa| kyA nahIM hai aisA nahIM dekhanA hai, mere pAsa kyA hai vaha dekhanA hai| aba Apa kahate ho na ki mujhe nahIM dikhAI dete| praznakartA : yAnI ki jaba kucha dikhAI dete haiM, taba jo pahale nahIM dikhAI diyA ho, vaha dikhAI detA hai| usake bAda aisA hotA hai ki aisA to Aja hI dikhAI diyA to aisA to kitanA hI aMdara par3A huA hogA! dAdAzrI : bhale hI ho, lekina jo dikhAI diyA usakI pArTI denI pdd'egii| aisA hotA hI kahA~ hai, dikhe hI kahA~ se? aisA dikhanA koI AsAna cIz2a nahIM hai| praznakartA : kabhI yoM hI dAdA se aisI dRSTi mila jAtI hai ki phira eka naI dizA hI batA detI hai| bAtoM meM, kisI sAmAnya satsaMga meM yA vyaktigata bhI aisI dRSTi mila jAtI hai, vaha eka naI dizA dikhAne lagatI hai ki, 'ohoho! yaha konA to raha gayA thaa|' dAdAzrI : satsaMga meM kaoNmana bhAva se nikalatI haiM sabhI baateN| kisI eka vyakti ko saMbodhita karake nahIM hotiiN| usameM hara kisI kA, sabhI kA, hara eka kA alaga hotA hai bhaaii| jJAna yA jJAnI, kauna nikAlatA hai prakRti yaha bhI pUrI taraha se samajhanA pdd'egaa| haz2AroM logoM ke sAmane koI kahe ki 'caMdUbhAI meM aqla nahIM hai|' to hameM AzIrvAda dene kA mana honA

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... cAhie ki 'ohoho! hama jAnate the, ki caMdUbhAI meM aqla nahIM hai lekina aba to ye bhI jAnate haiN|' taba vaha judApanA rhegaa| ina bhAI se hama roz2a bAta karate haiM, agara kabhI nahIM kareM, to usakA kyA kAraNa hai? vicAra AtA hai ki are, 'Aja aisA kyoM?' taba patA calatA hai ki judA raha sakatA hai| aisI cAbiyA~ dete haiM hm| use car3hAte haiM aura girAte haiM, car3hAte haiM aura girAte haiM, aisA karate-karate jJAna prApta karatA hai| hamArI sabhI kriyAe~ jJAna prApti karavAne ke lie haiN| hara eka ke sAtha alaga-alaga hotI hai, usakI prakRti ko dekhakara! sabhI kI prakRti ko dekhakara yaha karate haiN| praznakartA : hA~, prakRti ke anusaar| dAdAzrI : aisA hI honA cAhie na? vaha prakRti nikala hI jAnI caahie| prakRti ko to nikAlanA hI pdd'egaa| parAI cIz2a kaba taka rahegI apane pAsa? praznakartA : sahI bAta hai| koI cArA hI nahIM hai prakRti nikAlane ke alAvA! dAdAzrI : (haaN)| hamArI to nikAla dI kudarata ne| jJAna se nikAla dI hamArI to| ApakI to hama nikAlate haiM tabhI jAtI hai na! nimitta hai na! kAphI kucha nikala gaI hai| abhI bhI rAta ko pratikramaNa karane par3ate haiM na? ataH apanI bhUleM haiM, ve aba nikAlanI haiM dhiire-dhiire| patA calatA hai na bAda hama bulAte nahIM haiM ki 'caMdUbhAI Ao,' aisA kahakara, to taba Apako samajha jAnA hai ki 'mujhe sAvadhAna kiyA hai|' aura agara boleM to prakRti nikalatI rahatI hai| hama unase kahe ki 'Ao caMdUbhAI' taba prakRti uchala par3atI hai bAhara / rauba meM A jAtA hai, lekina phira Apako (karma) nahIM baMdhate, phira se nahIM bNdhte| nikala jAne ke bAda phira se nahIM bNdhte| usameM Apa tanmayAkAra na ho jAo isalie hama eka dina vApasa vaisA hI karate haiM, bolate nahIM haiM, to phira utara jAtA hai|

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94 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : ye davAIyA~ haiM saarii| dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : isameM dAdA ko to rAga bhI nahIM hai aura dveSa bhI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : vaha to prakRti hai j'raa| acche logoM se, kucha logoM se kahanA par3atA hai, rakhanA (saMbhAlanA) par3atA hai nahIM to loga yahA~ para saba tahasa-nahasa kara deN| khaTapaTavAle loga haiM na! sabhI ko thor3e hI khaTapaTa AtI hai? isalie pakSapAtI rahanA par3atA hai| yoM vItarAga, lekina pakSapAtI rahanA par3atA hai, kaarnnvsh| kisI ko bhI nukasAna nahIM honA caahie| hama kisI ko aise dabAte haiM aura kisI ko aise to usakA bhI rAste para A jAtA hai| rAste para nahIM lAnA par3egA? pudgalamaya meM svabhAva aura prakRti eka hI praznakartA : svabhAva aura prakRti eka hI kahe jAte haiM yA alaga? dAdAzrI : svabhAva jaba pudgalamaya ho jAe taba vaha svabhAva kahalAtA hai| to svabhAva aura prakRti eka hI kahalAte haiN| prakRti ko hI svabhAva kahate haiM hm| isa vyakti kA svabhAva aisA hai arthAt usakI prakRti ke svabhAva ko svabhAva kahate haiN| kyoMki vAstava meM vaha svabhAva nahIM hai| svabhAva meM to bhagavAna hI hai vaha khuda, lekina usane yaha ulTI mAnyatA mAna lI hai ki 'maiM aisA hU~, maiM kalekTara bana gayA, phalAnA bana gyaa|' isI kI mAra khAtA rahatA hai na! svabhAva aura prakRti eka hI kahe jAte haiM lekina svabhAva halkA ho sakatA hai| gAya nahIM mAratI, to vaha bhI prakRti hai aura agara mAratI hai to vaha bhI prakRti hai| iMsAna kisI ko mAra rahA ho usa ghar3I agara aMdara aisA rahe ki 'yaha galata kara rahA huuN| yaha maiM galata kara rahA hU~, ' to vaha jJAna hai aura jo mAra rahA hai, vaha prakRti hai| praznakartA : aba jaba aisA kahate haiM ki 'tU tere svabhAva meM A jA' taba vaha kise kahate haiM?

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... dAdAzrI : vaha svabhAva alaga hai| paramAtmA svabhAva meM A jA, aisA kahate haiN| yaha to tU dUsarI dazA meM hai, ulTI dazA meM hai, saMsArI dazA meM hai, prAkRta dazA meM hai| tU tere svabhAva meM A jaa| khuda kI paramAtmA dazA meM A jaa| "tU 'paramAtmA' hai", usI dazA meM A jaa| aisA adhikAra bhagavAna ke yA kisI aura ke pAsa nahIM hai ki jo ina saba kA lAisensa le le| jo khuda ke svabhAva meM A jAtA hai vaha paramAtmA bana jAtA hai! praznakartA : tU tere svabhAva meM A jA arthAt rAga-dveSa se rahita ho jA, kartApana meM se nikala jA to yaha ho sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, yaha jo zuddhAtmA hai vahI Apa ho aura vahI ApakA svarUpa hai| vahA~ se Apa alaga ho gae ho to aba unheM dekha dekhakara Apa usa rUpa ho jaao| ve akriya haiM, aise haiM, aise haiM! aura aisA samajha samajhakara Apa usa rUpa ho jaao| yaha to vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gayA hai aura usameM apanI mAnyatA khar3I ho gaI hai isalie hameM yaha dekhakara usa rUpa honA hai| prakRti batAe aMta meM bhagavat guNa hara eka vyakti khuda kA svabhAva batAe bagaira rahatA hI nhiiN| jaba taka Atma svarUpa nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka Atma svabhAva nahIM dikhAI detaa| pudgala svabhAva hI dikhAI detA hai| yaha pudgala svabhAva khatma ho jAe aura Atma svabhAva jaisA ho jAe, usakI nakala kare vaisA, DiTTo vaisA hI ho jAe taba pUrNAhuti kahalAtI hai| isa tarapha AtmA bhI dikhAI detA hai aura usa tarapha yaha bhI AtmA jaisA hI dikhatA hai| praznakartA : arthAt mUla AtmA dikhAI detA hai aura khuda mUla AtmA jaisA ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, ve Agraha to maiMne chur3avA die haiM Apa se| isa saba se bar3I pakar3a kI vajaha se aise nahIM ho pA rahe the| hA~ pakar3a nahIM honI cAhie kisI bhI taraha kii|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : to mUla AtmA kI nakala jaisA arthAt jnyaan-drshncaaritr| aisA? dAdAzrI : jaisA vaha jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa hai, vaisA hI yahA~ para vyavahAra meM, jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa rahatA hai| vahA~ para sabhI kucha Adarza rahatA hai| Agraha-vAgraha kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| koI du:kha bhI nahIM rahatA, koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : nahIM lekina yaha vyavahAra arthAt pudgala hI rahA na? to phira pudgala kauna se pudgala ko sparza karatA hai? arthAt pudgala ke sabhI svAMga khatma ho jAe~, pudgala ke sabhI svabhAva khatma ho jAne para aura phira.... dAdAzrI : yaha jo merA pudgala hai, kyA yaha Apake pudgala se ucca kakSA kA nahIM hai? Age bar3hate-bar3hate merI cAra DigrI pUrNa ho jAe~ to bhagavAna jaisA svarUpa dikhAI degaa| merA vartana aura AcaraNa sabhI kuch| arthAt zarIra bhI bhagavAna jaisA ho jaaegaa| tIrthaMkaroM kA zarIra bhI bhagavAna ho gayA thaa| isalie ye sabhI loga kabUla karate haiM na? praznakartA : arthAt aMdara yaha zarIra to vaisA hI hai lekina bIca kA kucha badala jAtA hai? zarIra bhale hI vaisA hI rhaa| cAra DigrI meM badalAva kisa bAre meM, kisa tarapha hotA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo aMdara hai, isa deha ke AdhAra para hI yahA~ para logoM ko kamI dikhAI detI haiN| cAra DigrI ke AdhAra para logoM ko yaha kamI dikhAI detI hai| kapar3e haiM, phalAnA hai, a~gUThI hai, bAla banAe haiN| yaha bhojanavojana vagairaha sabakucha dikhAI detA hai na, vahA~ aisA saba nahIM dikhtaa| praznakartA : arthAt ve jo cAra DigrI badala jAe~ to.... dAdAzrI : phira kisI ko bhI zaMkA ho, aisA nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : aMdara to tIna sau sATha pUrI haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha to hai hI na!

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... praznakartA : to phira? dAdAzrI : AcaraNa bhI vaisA hI honA cAhie na? praznakartA : vaha pudgala kA svabhAva mAnA jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, pudgala kA svabhAva bhI aisA ho jAtA hai jaise bhagavAna kI hUbahU nakala kara rahA ho| arthAt vaha bhI bhagavAna aura ye bhI bhagavAna dikhAI dete haiN| loga kahate haiM ki ye bhagavAna hI haiN| praznakartA : yoM pUrA rileTiva bhAga (pahalU) bhagavAna jaisA ho jAtA hai? pUrI prakRti bhagavAna jaisI ho jAtI hai, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, kSamA vaisI hI dikhAI detI hai, namratA bhI vaisI hI dikhAI detI hai| saralatA bhI vaisI hI dikhAI detI hai, saMtoSa bhI vaisA hI dikhAI detA hai| kisI bhI cIz2a kA iphekTa hI nahIM! potApaNAM (maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana) nahIM rahA, vaha saba logoM kI naz2ara meM AtA hai| bahuta sAre guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| ve AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM aura isa pudgala ke bhI guNa nahIM haiM, vaise guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| kSamA to AtmA kA bhI guNa nahIM hai aura pudgala kA bhI guNa nahIM hai, sahaja kssmaa| koI gussA kare, to hama kSamA nahIM karate lekina yoM sahaja kSamA hI rahatI hai| lekina sAmanevAle ko aisA lagatA hai ki 'inhoMne kSamA kara diyaa|' arthAt yahA~ para pRthakkaraNa ho jAne para hameM samajha meM A jAtA hai ki mujhe isase lenA-denA nahIM hai na! praznakartA : yaha to kSamA ke lie huaa| isI prakAra saralatA ke lie kaisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, saralatA to hotI hI hai na! sAmanevAle kI dazA ulaTI ho taba bhI sarala ko vaha saba sIdhA hI dikhatA hai| kaisI saralatA hai! namratA!! isameM AtmA kA kucha hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : yAnI khuda meM se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha cale jAte haiM, isalie aise guNa prakaTa hote haiM?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : lobha ke bajAya saMtoSa rahatA hai isalie loga kahate haiM, 44 'dekho na, 'inheM kucha cAhie hI nahIM / ' jo kucha bhI ho, vaha calatA hai!" aise guNa utpanna ho jAe~ taba bhagavAna kahalAte haiM / 98 ve praznakartA: logoM ko jaba unakI saralatA aura kSamA dikhatI hai taba kisameM hote haiM? khuda dAdAzrI : khuda mUla svarUpa meM hote haiN| loga aisA kahate haiM, pudgala aisA dikhatA hai isalie / pudgala kA vartana aisA dikhAI detA hai isalie loga kahate haiM, 'ohoho ! kaisI kSamA rakhate haiM ! inheM dekho na, hamane gAliyA~ dIM lekina inake cehare para koI bhI asara nahIM huaa| kitanI kSamA rakhate haiM aura phira yaha kahAvata bhI bolate haiM ki 'kSamA vIrasya bhuussnnm|' are nahIM hai ! vIra bhI nahIM hai, kSamA bhI nahIM hai / ye to 'bhagavAna haiM!' aura Upara se kahate haiM, 'kSamA mokSa kA daravAz2A hai / ' are bhAI, yahavAlI kSamA nahIM, vaha to sahaja kSamA / jitanA kSamA sudhAra sakatI hai, vaisA koI nahIM sudhAra sktaa| iMsAna jaisA kSamA se sudharatA hai, vaisA kisI bhI cIz2a se nahIM sudhara sktaa| pITane se bhI nahIM sudhara sktaa| yaha 'kSamA vIrasya bhUSaNam' kahalAtA hai| aMta meM prakRti bhI bana jAe bhagavAna svarUpa prakRti AtmA jaisI bana jAegI taba chUTA jA sakegA, yoM hI nahIM chUTA jA sktaa| jaba prakRti ko loga bhagavAna kaheMge, prakRti bhagavAna svarUpa bana jAegI, kisI ko duHkha na de, bahuta suMdara prakRti ho, khuda bhagavAna bana jAe, taba apane se chUTA jA skegaa| abhI prakRti bhagavAna hone lagI hai| aba pahale jo kara rahI thI, usake bajAya kucha badalAva kara liyA hai na prakRti ne yA nahIM huA badalAva ? prakRti abhI bhagavAna bana rahI hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna kA pudgala aMta meM jaba bhagavAna bana gayA, taba ve mukta hue| bhagavAna banAnA hI par3egA ise| praznakartA 4:3 sabhI ke lie eka hI niyama hai?

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina kisI ko gAliyA~ de aura bhagavAna bana jAe, aisA nahIM ho sakatA na! praznakartA : isameM anAtmA pudgala, aura pudgala jJAnI hai, aisI bAta AI isalie maiMne puuchaa| dAdAzrI : vaha rileTiva AtmA hai na, rileTiva AtmA bhagavAna jaisA dikhegA, logoM ko vizvAsa ho jAegA ki ye bhagavAna haiM, taba mukta huA jA skegaa| rileTiva AtmA gAliyA~ de rahA ho aura mukta huA jA sake, kyA aisA ho sakatA hai? praznakartA : matalaba prakRti hI na, yA pudgala? dAdAzrI : prakRti / AtmA ke alAvA bAkI kA sabhI kucha prakRti hai aura prakRti hI pudgala hai| praznakartA : mokSa meM jAne se pahale kyA hama saba kI prakRti usa sTeja meM AnI hI cAhie, niyamAnusAra? dAdAzrI : haaN| tabhI to loga kaheMge na ki 'sarvajJa haiM,' bAhara kI prakRti aisI hI ho jaaegii| praznakartA : Apa jinheM jJAna dete haiM, ve loga alaga haiN| jinheM anya kisI ko jJAna dene ke jhaMjhaTa meM nahIM par3anA hai aura sIdhe mokSa meM jAnA hai, kyA ve loga bhI prakRti ko bhagavAna ke levala meM lAne ke bAda hI jA pAe~ge? dAdAzrI : sabhI ko| isakA tarIkA to eka hI hai na! do tarIke nahIM haiN| mArga alaga-alaga ho sakate haiM lekina tarIkA eka hI hai| praznakartA : aba usa cIz2a kI hameM isa janma meM aMtara anubhUti hogI yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : isa janma kI bAta kyoM kara rahe ho? vaha to eka-do janmoM meM sabakucha apane Apa ho jaaegaa| jahA~ dRSTi badala gaI vahA~ dera hI nahIM lagegI n|

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100 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : to dAdA, sabhI ko aisA hI sArA jhaMjhaTa karanA par3egA? dAdAzrI : tabhI sabakucha zuddha hogA na! kramika mArga meM ahaMkAra bahuta adhika zuddha karanA par3atA hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke paramANu nahIM rahate kramika meN| aMdara jo AtmA hai, vaha to bhagavAna hI hai| bAhara jo prakRti hai, use vItarAga bnaao| use vItarAga banA hI rahe haiM log| kisa prakAra AsAnI se ho sakatA hai, usa mArga ko jitanA jAneM utanA hI usakA niber3A aaegaa| isa prakRti ko bhI vItarAga banAnA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra kI prakRti vItarAga hI thii| prakRti ko aMta meM vItarAga banAnA hai lekina isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda hameM banAnA nahIM hai, apane Apa ho hI jaaegii| merI AjJA meM rahe na, to prakRti vItarAga hotI hI jaaegii| Apako ApakA koI kartApana nahIM hai| karane se to kartA bana jAe~ge phira se| AjJA meM rahane se hotA hI jaaegaa| sahajatA meM pahalA kauna? praznakartA : jJAna ho jAne ke bAda prakRti sahaja hotI jAtI hai yA phira jaise-jaise prakRti sahaja hotI jAe vaise-vaise jJAna prakaTa hotA jAtA hai? isakA krama kyA hai? dAdAzrI : hama yaha jJAna dete haiM, taba dRSTi badala jAtI hai aura usake bAda prakRti sahaja hotI jAtI hai| usake bAda saMpUrNa sahaja ho jAtI hai| AtmA to sahaja hai hI agara prakRti bhI bilkula sahaja ho jAe, to basa ho gyaa| judA ho ge| aura prakRti sahaja isakA matalaba to bAhara kA bhAga bhI bhagavAna bana gyaa| aMdara kA to hai hii| aMdara kA to sabhI meM hai| praznakartA : hamArI prakRti kitanI asahaja hai.... dAdAzrI : usameM koI bAta nhiiN| yaha prakRti to Apane mujha se milane se pahale bharI thii|

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[1.7] prakRti ko aise karo sApha... 101 praznakartA : prakRti sahaja ho jAnI cAhie yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : vaha to, agara khuda isa jJAna meM rahe to sahaja ho hI jaaegii| prakRti kA nikAla hotA hI rahatA hai, apane Apa nikAla ho jAegA aura naI prakRti merI hAz2irI meM bharI jA rahI hai aura kisI kI agara z2arA sakhta hogI to ekAdha janma z2yAdA hogaa| eka-do janmoM meM to sabhI kucha calA jaaegaa| yaha sArA malTiplikezanavAlA hai| praznakartA : ApakI dRSTi se to yaha saba zuddha hI bharA jA rahA hai yA nahIM? hamArI dRSTi to badala gaI, lekina jo naI prakRti bananI hai, vaha ThIka aura sIdhI banegI yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : aba zaMkA rakhane kA koI kAraNa nahIM hai na! Apa agara caMdUbhAI bana jAo to hama samajheM kI zaMkA rakhanI hai| vaha to ApakI zraddhA meM hai hI nahIM na? dakhalaMdAjI se asahajatA praznakartA : jJAna hone ke bAda samajha meM AtA hai lekina prakRti kA nAza thor3e hI ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, prakRti kAma karatI hI rahatI hai| prakRti judA rahatI hai jJAnI meM, jJAnI meM haMDreDa parasenTa (100%) judA rahatI hai| ve jJAnI kyoM kahalAte haiM? kyoMki sahaja svarUpa deha aura sahaja svarUpa AtmA, donoM sahaja svruup| dakhalaMdAjI nahIM krte| dakhalaMdAjI karane se asahajatA rahatI hai| _ 'abhI jitanI dakhalaMdAjI hotI hai, utanI asahajatA baMda karanI par3egI,' Apa yaha jAnate bhI ho| asahaja ho jAte ho, vaha bhI jAnate ho| asahajatA baMda karanI hai, aisA bhI jAnate ho| kisa taraha baMda hogI, vaha bhI jAnate ho, sabhI kucha jAnate ho aap|

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102 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : phira bhI kara nahIM paate| dAdAzrI : vaha dhIre-dhIre hogaa| ekadama se nahIM ho pAegA yh| yaha dAr3hI (zeva) karane kA sephTI rez2ara AtA hai na, usa prakAra karane se ho jAegA? hA~? thor3I dera lagegI, hara eka ko thor3A TAima lagatA hai| aisA karane se ho jAegA, sephTI ke lie? praznakartA : kaTa jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : hara eka ko TAima lagatA hai|

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA AjJA aura satsaMga se bar3he jAgRti praznakartA : dAdA, hameM prakRti chor3anI hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : basa aura kucha bhI nahIM, prakRti kyA kara rahI hai use dekhate rahanA hai| prakRti se judA hone ke bAda, jJAAnIpuruSa judA kara deM aura puruSa banA deM, taba phira dekhate hI rahanA hai| jaba taka usameM 'maiM caMdUbhAI hI hU~' aisA thA, taba taka prakRti meM hI the! pichale jo udaya haiM, aba una udayoM ko sirpha dekhanA hai| prakRti jo karatI hai, mana karatA hai, buddhi karatI hai, una saba ko dekhanA hai| usake bajAya aMdara dakhala karane jAte ho| Apako yaha dekhate rahanA hai ki vaha aMdara kyA dakhala kara rahA hai| usake bajAya Apa bhI cale jAte ho aNdr| usI se kaccA raha jAtA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, use pakkA karane kA upAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha satsaMga aura AjJA pAlana, bs| donoM kA mikscara hogA to ho jAegA! ___aba yaha jo prakRti hai, vaha mizracetana kahalAtI hai yA to pAvara cetana kahalAtI hai| pAvara cetana yAnI kyA? nAma mAtra ko bhI cetana nhiiN| pAvara khar3A ho gayA hai| jaise ki yahA~ para eka hITara ke sAmane koI eka cIz2a par3I ho to, vaha pUrI garama ho jAtI hai yA nahIM ho jAtI? hITara kI icchA nahIM hai ki mujhe ise garama karanA hai| praznakartA : prakRti ko mizracetana kahA gayA hai| isa mizracetana ke

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104 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aMdara kA cArja ho cukA bhAga yadi nikala jAe yAnI ki sArA DiscArja ho jAe, to phira kyA bacegA? dAdAzrI : prakRti khuda hI cArja ho cukA bhAga hai isalie jaba vaha khatma ho jAtA hai, taba prakRti bhI khatma ho jAtI hai| prakRti hI sArA DiscArja kara detI hai| isIlie phira kahate haiM na, ki cale jAnA par3egA bhAI (mRtyu ho jaaegii)| itanI jaldabAz2I kyoM macA rahA hai? cale jAnA par3egA, DiscArja ho jAegA taba ! taba maiMne pUchA, 'jaldI jAnA hai?' praznakartA : to dAdA, kyA prakRti kA svabhAva hI aisA hai ki DiscArja hotI hI rahatI hai? dAdAzrI : nirNtr| usakA svabhAva hI hai| praznakartA : arthAt prakRti ko mAtra dekhate hI rahanA hai jaisA ki Apa kahate haiN| prakRti DiscArja ho rahI hai use tU dekhatA raha, to kabhI na kabhI prakRti khatma ho jaaegii|' dAdAzrI : hA~, dekhate rho| kisI kI pAgala hotI hai, kisI kI samajhadAra hotI hai, kisI kI ardha pAgala hotI hai, kisI kI AdhI samajhadAra hotI hai, aisI ina sabhI prakRtiyoM ko dekhate rahanA hai| koI kar3hI hI khAtA rahatA hai, koI dAla hI khAtA rahatA hai, koI laDDU hI khAtA rahatA hai, koI jalebI hI khAtA rahatA hai, ina saba ko dekhate rahanA hai| prakRti ke guNa, apanI prakRti ke kyA guNa haiM, unheM dekhate rahanA hai| Apa nahIM jAnate? praznakartA : jAna sakate haiM na, kyoM nahIM jAna sakate? upayoga meM raheM, vahI na? dAdAzrI : hA~, dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : sabhI khuda kI prakRti lekara Ae hue haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, prakRti lekara Ae hue haiN| prakRti arthAt rikaoNrDa

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 105 karake lAe haiN| ataH phira jaisI rikaoNrDa hotI hai, vaisI hI bajatI rahatI hai pUre din| tujha meM terI rikaoNrDa bajatI hai, isameM isakI rikaoNrDa bajatI hai| tUne sunI nahIM hai terI rikaoNrDa? terI rikaoNrDa ko sunA hai? aisA! bahuta acchI lagatI hai? acchI nahIM lagatI? nahIM? jabaki isa bhAI ko pasaMda hai khuda kI rikoNrdd| pasaMda nahIM hai rikaoNrDa? prakRti arthAt rikaoNrDa kiyA huaa| vaha phira bajatI hI rahatI hai pUre dina! use dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : prakRti ko jaise-jaise dekheM, vaise-vaise kama hotI jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : kama ho jAtI hai isalie phira se bIja nahIM ddlte| aisA lage ki ina abhiprAyoM ne aMdara ulajhA diyA hai to phira dekho| dekhane se zuddhatA ko prApta karatA hai| jaise-jaise zuddhAtmA ko dekhe vaise-vaise prakRti zuddhatA ko prApta karatI hai| praznakartA : jaba taka prakRti ko dekhe nahIM, taba taka kama nahIM hotI? dAdAzrI : jaba taka prakRti ko dekhe nahIM taba taka mokSa meM nahIM jA skte| praznakartA : hama apanI khuda kI prakRti ko dekhate raheM to zuddhikaraNa ho jAegA usameM? dAdAzrI : taba Apa jJAtA-dRSTA bana gae, aisA, kahA jaaegaa| khuda kI prakRti ko dekhanA, vahI hai jJAtA-dRSTA pd| ye per3a-patte vagairaha dekhanA, vaha jJAtA-dRSTApana nahIM hai| vaha to buddhi bhI dekha sakatI hai, vaha indriyagamya hai lekina atindriya jJAna se to yaha pUrA jagat jaisA hai vaisA dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : aba yaha prakRti kama ho jAe, usake lie jJAnI dRSTi badala dete haiM na? dAdAzrI : tU alaga hai aura yaha alg| aba isa prakRti ko tujhe dekhanA hai| jaise sinemA meM philma dekhate haiM na, vaise isa prakRti meM hama yaha

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106 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) saba dekha sakate haiM ki mana kyA-kyA kaha rahA hai, mana kyA-kyA soca rahA hai| use dekhanA hI hai, philma hai| vaha jJeya hai aura hama jJAtA haiM / yaha jJeya-jJAtA kA saMbaMdha hai| vaha philma hai aura maiM dekhanevAlA, donoM judA ho ge| prakRti ke jJeya sUkSma, sUkSmatara praznakartA : kyA aisA hai dAdA ki prakRti ke sabhI jJeya dekha lene ke bAda daraasala jJeya dikhane kI zuruAta hotI hai? dAdAzrI : usake bAda to bahuta jJeya dekhane bAkI rahate haiN| usake bAda to sAre bIcavAle bAkI rahate haiN| bIcavAle sAre bahuta taraha-taraha ke jJeya haiN| pahale prakRti ke sthUla jJeya haiN| praznakartA : bIcavAle yAnI kaise? dAdAzrI : sUkSma, sUkSmatara, ye sabhI prakRti ke mikscara haiN| mizracetana jaise| praznakartA : to ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kisameM Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha saba sUkSma prakRti hai| praznakartA : una jJeyoM ko phira dekhanA hai? hAlAMki ve to dikhAI dete haiM dAdA, kucha yaha bhI dikhatA hai aura vahavAlA bhI dikhatA hai| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| nahIM dikhtaa| ve dikha jAte to usake cehare para parivartana nahIM aataa| vaha to, jo bahuta sthUla hotA hai, vahI dikhAI detA hai| sUkSma to dikhate hI nahIM hai na! cehare para asara hotA hI rahatA hai na! ve saba dekhate-dekhate to Age jAkara usake bAda ke sabhI jJeya dikheNge| yaha prakRti dikhegI usake bAda phira bahuta acchI taraha Age bddh'egaa| prakRti hI rokatI hai yaha sb| terI prakRti dikhAI detI hai tujhe? praznakartA : sthUla-sthUla dikhatA hai| moTA-moTA dikhatA hai| dAdAzrI : moTA bhI kucha nahIM dikhatA! kauna sA moTA dikhatA hai?

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 107 praznakartA : kahA~-kahA~ asara hotA hai, kyA hotA hai vaha patA calatA dAdAzrI : tumhAre uThane ke bAda prakRti kyA karegI jAnate ho tuma? vahA~ tumhArI prakRti kyA kara rahI thI vaha tuma jAnate ho? prakRti kyA karegI, isake bAda kyA karegI, isake bAda kyA karegI, vaha sabakucha jAnatA hai aNdr| are, merI prakRti nahIM, tumhArI prakRti kyA karegI vaha bhI maiM jAnatA huuN| prakRti ko maiM jAnatA huuN| tumhAre uThane ke bAda TAima TU TAima saba karatI hai| TAima ko to lakSa (jAgRti) meM rakhane jaisA hai hI nhiiN| kyA ho rahA hai, use dekhate rahanA hai| jo prakRti meM tanmayAkAra nahIM, vaha saMyamI aba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM hote, kyoMki ve AtmA ke guNa haiM hI nhiiN| ataH apane sabhI mahAtmA saMyamI kahe jaaeNge| saMyamI arthAt kyA ki yaha prakRti jo kara rahI hai, khuda kA usake viruddha abhiprAya khar3A ho jAe, vaha sNymii| prakRti gussA kare to use khuda ko acchA nahIM lgtaa| isa prakAra abhiprAya alaga ho jAe, vaha saMyamI hai, 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie, Ar3AI nahIM honI caahie|' prakRti to apanA kAma karatI hI rhegii| agara asaMyamI hai to prakRti meM ekAkAra hokara kAma karatA hai aura saMyamI hai to vaha prakRti ko alaga rakhatA hai, alaga hI rakhA karatA hai| prakRti meM tanmayAkAra ho jAe, vaha bhI alaga hai aura prakRti jo karatI hai, karatI rahatI hai, usake sAmane khuda kA alaga abhiprAya rakhe, vaha saMyamI hai| phira vaha cAhe kaisI bhI prakRti ho| jo prakRti meM tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA, vaha saMyamI hai| praznakartA : prakRti jaisI bhI ho, usake lie usake viruddha abhiprAya rakhane kI z2arUrata hai yA usake jJAtA-dRSTA rahane kI z2arUrata hai? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA rahane kI z2arUrata hai| jJAtA-dRSTA arthAt vaha to saba se aMtima kahalAtA hai, hAI levala kahalAtA hai| utanA hAI levala Ane meM dera lgegii| jabaki prakRti se alaga abhiprAya kA matalaba kyA hai ki

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108 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) use aisA rahanA cAhie ki aisA nahIM honA caahie|' yaha saba use acchA nahIM laganA caahie| praznakartA : taba phira usa jJAtA-dRSTA kI dizA meM Age bar3hatA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha Age bar3hatA hai, phira usa dizA meM phula sAiTa ho jAe taba jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : vaha phula sAiTa hai| usase pahale abhiprAya badalanA pdd'egaa| dAdAzrI : lekina use hama jJAtA-dRSTA hI mAnate haiN| nizcaya kI apekSA se| yahA~ se biginiMga hotI hai| praznakartA : jo prakRti meM tanmayAkAra nahIM huA, kyA vahI jJAtA dRSTA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| prakRti nacAe nAca praznakartA : to aisA kaha sakate haiM ki prakRti svabhAva hI yaha saba karavAtA hai| icchA nahIM ho phira bhI prakRti ke karavAne se vaha karatA hai| prakRti usase karavAtI hai| dAdAzrI : prakRti karavAtI hai itanA hI nahIM, balki laTU ko nacAtI bhI hai| ye sabhI jo laTU haiM na, TI-o-pI-esa, sabhI nAcate haiM aura prakRti nacavAtI hai, phira vaha bar3A maMtrI ho yA koI aura, lekina ye sabhI nAcate haiM aura ahaMkAra karate haiM ki 'maiM naacaa'| praznakartA : aura vahA~ para yadi jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva rakheM to? dAdAzrI : to kalyANa hI ho gayA na! khuda ke svabhAva meM A gayA aisA kahA jaaegaa| khuda kA svabhAva 'kartA' hai hI nahIM, 'jJAtA-dRSTA' hI hai lekina khuda ko kartA mAnakara isameM pha~sa jAtA hai| basa itanA hI hai aura isIlie saMsAra kAyama hai|

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[18] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA praznakartA : gItA meM jaba arjuna kahate haiM ki 'maiM nahIM laDUMgA' taba kRSNa bhagavAna use kahate haiM ki 'tere svabhAva se, terI prakRti kI vajaha se tU lar3egA hI / ' 109 dAdAzrI : hA~, prakRti kA anusaraNa kie bagaira koI raha hI nahIM sakatA n| kRSNa bhagavAna ne bhI khuda kI prakRti kA anusaraNa kiyA na ! apanA kucha calatA hI nahIM na ! prakRti chor3atI hI nahIM na kisI ko ! sirpha khuda ke abhiprAya badala detA hai jJAna se / prakRti ke adhIna rAga hue bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| agara khuda kA abhiprAya badala jAe ki yaha zobhA nahIM detA, to chUTa jaaegaa| mAlikI bhAva chUTane ke bAda, bace divyakarma praznakartA : AtmA ke alaga ho jAne para bhI prakRti rahatI hai| vaha to apanA kAma karatI hI rahatI hai / dAdAzrI : prakRti apane Apa hI svabhAva se kAma karatI rahatI hai| usameM AtmA kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'tii| sirpha AtmA kI hAz2irI kI z2arUrata hai| hAz2irI arthAt prakAza AtmA kA hai| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA ke alaga ho jAne ke bAda prakRti kA bhI divyakaraNa ho jAnA cAhie na ? dAdAzrI : prakRti kA vaisA divyakaraNa ho jAne ke bAda hI ve divyakarma kahalAte haiN| phira jo karma bace na, ve divyakarma haiN| unakA koI mAlika nahIM hai, aura ahaMkAra nahIM hai isalie divyakarma kahalAte haiM I praznakartA : lekina jinheM brahmajJAnI kahA jAtA hai, aise vizvAmitra kI prakRti bhI kAma kara gii| kaI bAra vaha prakRti khuda kI pakar3a nahIM chor3atI, jJAna hone ke bAda bhI prakRti chor3atI nahIM hai / vaha to kAma kara hI letI hai| dAdAzrI : koI harja nahIM / prakRti kare to harja nahIM hai| prakRti ko hameM dekhate rahanA hai| sirpha dekhanA hI hai / jJAtA - dRSTA svabhAva hai AtmA kA /

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110 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) AtmA prApta ho gayA hai to isa prakRti ko dekhate hI rahanA hai aapko| ApakA ahaMkAra calA gayA, mamatA calI gaI, phira bacA kyA? krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha bilkula hoM hI nahIM, usI ko kahate haiM, jnyaan| prakRti ke phaoNrsa ke sAmane..... praznakartA : prakRti kA phaoNrsa kyoM itanA z2yAdA hotA hai ki dekhanA bhI bhulavA detI hai? dAdAzrI : itanI AtmA kI zakti kama hai| zakti adhika ho to bhale hI kitane bhI phaoNrsavAlI ho, taba bhI vaha judA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : AtmA kI zakti to sabhI kI eka sarIkhI hI hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : jitanA AtmArUpa ho jAe, zakti bhI utanI hI hotI hai| khuda kitanA AtmArUpa huA hai? praznakartA : AtmArUpa kise honA hai? dAdAzrI : khuda hI, khuda ko hI honA hai na! khuda ko hI, selpha ko! jo AtmA diyA huA hai, usI ko! tujhe jo AtmA diyA huA hai, vahI hai mUla aatmaa| praznakartA : zaktivAlA kaise bananA hai, vaha samajha meM nahIM AyA? dAdAzrI : AjJA kA jitanA pAlana kiyA jAe, zakti utanI hI bar3hatI jAtI hai| yAnI ki prakaTa hotI jAtI hai| mUla AtmA kI zakti sabhI meM eka sarIkhI hotI hai lekina AjJA pAlana ke anusAra kama yA jyAdA prakaTa hotI hai| dhIre-dhIre bar3hate-bar3hate aMta taka pahu~catI hai| praznakartA : jaba taka isa prakRti kA phaoNrsa rahatA hai, taba taka AjJA pAlana bhI nahIM karane detii| prakRti kI vajaha se hI yaha saba hai| khuda kI icchA to hai| dAdAzrI : prakRti kI vajaha se koI parezAnI nahIM hai| nizcaya kiyA

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 111 to saba sahI ho jAtA hai| khuda cetana hai aura prakRti nizcetana-cetana hai| to phira nizcetana-cetana, cetana kA kyA bigAr3a sakatA hai? praznakartA : jaba taka vaha sAtha meM hai, taba taka to isameM bAdhaka rhegii| dAdAzrI : khuda maz2abUta ho jAe to bAdhaka nahIM rhegii| praznakartA : to yaha jJAna lene ke bAda jo khuda kI prakRti ko dekhatA hai, vaha khuda kauna hai jo dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI, AtmA hI dekhatA hai n| aura kauna? sabakucha AtmA ke sira pr| AtmA arthAt prajJA, vahI phir| yahA~ para phira sIdhe AtmA hI hai, aisA mata maannaa| AtmA arthAt pahale prajJA hI sabakucha, vahI sArA kArya karatI hai lekina hama AtmA kahate haiN| kahate haiM, basa itanA hI! praznakartA : vaha jaba prakRti ko dekhatA hai, taba prakRti zuddha mAnI jAtI hai yA ve jaba usake tatvoM ko dekhatA hai, taba zuddha mAnA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba se prakRti ko dekhanA zurU kiyA, jaba khuda tatva svarUpa ho gayA, taba prakRti bhI zuddha ho gii| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai taba taka prakRti zuddha nahIM kahI jA sktii| hama aba zuddhAtmA ho gae haiM, puruSa ho gae haiM isalie mokSa ke lAyaka ho gae haiM lekina mokSa meM nahIM jA skte| kyoM? to vaha isalie ki yaha prakRti kyA kahatI hai, pudgala kyA kahatA hai ki 'Apa to cokhe ho gae, zuddha ho gae lekina hama to cokhe, zuddha the na, aura Apane bigAr3A hai hameM, isalie hameM bhI phira se zuddha kara do,' tabhI chUTa pAoge, nahIM to chUTa nahIM pAoge niyama anusaar|' yAnI ki jaba hama usake dAg2a vagairaha dhokara zuddha kara deMge taba calA jAegA, zuddha karate hI calA jaaegaa| pratikramaNa karane se zuddha hokara calA jaaegaa| aba hama to zuddha ho gae lekina jaba taka ise zuddha nahIM kareMge, taba taka apanI z2immedArI rahegI na? praznakartA : kisa taraha zuddha karanA hai?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa se / dAg2a dikhatA jAe aura hama pratikramaNa karate jaaeN| 112 jo prakRti svabhAva ko jAne, vaha jJAyaka prakRti ke svabhAva ko nihAranA, vahI jJAyakatA hai| vaha bhI dUsaroM kI nahIM, khuda kI hI prakRti / prakRti svabhAva ko vede to vedakatA kahalAtI hai aura jaba prakRti svabhAva ko jAne to vaha jJAyakatA kahalAtI hai anAdi se paricaya hai na, isalie ! sira du:khe to vAstava meM to khuda use jAnatA hI hai, bAkI kucha bhI nahIM karatA aura jJAyakatA to Apako dI gaI hai ki prakRti ko dekho| to prakRti kA sira duHkhe to use dekhanA hai| usake bajAya yadi aisA rahe ki mujhe duHkha rahA hai to vahA~ para ajAgRti ho jAtI hai| isase phira duHkhanA zurU ho jAtA hai / aura agara jAne to yaha kise duHkha rahA hai, vaha jAnatA hI hai| sAmanevAle ke duHkha ko bhI jAnatA hai| I I apanA vijJAna bahuta alaga taraha kA hai / kaI bAra hama bhI, hamase bhI duHkha se alaga nahIM rahA jA sakatA kucha cIz2oM meN| kucha cIz2oM meM alaga hI rahatA hai lekina kucha prakAra ke duHkhoM meM aMdara cipakA rahatA hai, kisI jagaha pr| cipakA rahatA hai, use hama ukhAr3ate rahate haiM / praznakartA : vahA~ z2yAdA upayoga rakhate haiM? dAdAzrI : upayoga rakhate haiM z2yAdA, lekina phira bhI upayoga rakhanA par3atA hai, jabaki bAkI saba meM sahaja upayoga rahatA hai| dA~ta du:khe taba khuda sirpha jAnatA hI hai| jAnanevAlA to sirpha jAnatA hI rahatA hai| aMdara duHkhatA nahIM hai, duHkhatA hai prakRti ko, caMdUbhAI ko duHkhatA hai aura khuda kahatA hai ki 'mujhe duHkhA' isalie darda use pakar3a letA hai, jaisA ciMtana kare, turaMta vaisA hI bana jAtA hai lekina aba isameM bahuta gahare utarane ke lie manA karatA hU~ / usake lie to agalA eka janma hai hI n| sabakucha nikala jaaegaa|

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 113 praznakartA : vaha to maiMne dekhA hai| hameM patA calatA hai ki yaha caMdUbhAI ko duHkha rahA hai, usase hameM kyA lenA-denA? dAdAzrI : usameM agara kamI raha jAe to jJAyakatA nahIM raha paatii| praznakartA : pUrI rAta aise nikAlI hai, daadaajii| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to nikAlate haiM, nikAlate haiN| lekina sabhI se nahIM nikAlI jA sktii| ye saba cIjeM aisI nahIM haiM kyoMki anAdi kA abhyAsa hai na use| kabhI do-cAra macchara kATa leM to patA cala jaaegaa| yoM jo mAratI hai vaha to prakRti mAratI hai| prakRti ke ve doSa to nikaleMge, jaba nikalate haiM tabhI Apa parezAna ho uThate ho, vaha bhUla hai| praznakartA : vaha to sikhA diyA thA aapne| phira yahA~ kauna ulajhegA dAdAjI! phira to unakA jo hisAba hai, ve lekara jaaeNge| hameM kyA jhaMjhaTa? dAdAzrI : hA~, hisAba cukAte haiM lekina aisA rahanA cAhie na ki vaha hisAba hai! pUre rUma meM bahuta sAre macchara hoM to so jAtA hai| lekina agara sirpha cAra hoM to unake lie jhaMjhaTa hai inheM kyoMki agara bahuta macchara hoM, to maccharoM meM hI so jAnA hai isalie so jAtA hai zAMti se lekina agara cAra hI hoM to unheM dekhatA rahatA hai| merI maccharadAnI ke aMdara do macchara ghusa jAe~ to unheM bhI nIrU bahana nikAla detI haiM kyoMki unake prati jo cir3ha ghusa cukI hai use nikalane meM dera lagatI hai| pichale janma kI cir3ha ghusI huI ho, to isa prakRti meM guthI huI rahatI hai, isalie dera lagatI hai| aba jaina zAstra kahate haiM ki bAIsa pariSaha sahana kro| aba cAroM meM se eka pariSaha bhI sahana ho sake aisA nahIM hai| isa duSamakAla ke jIva pariSaha kaise sahana kareMge? yaha to vijJAna hai isalie apanI gAr3I cala rahI hai| nahIM to bAIsa pariSaha meM, agara kaMkar3oM para sulAyA gayA ho to bhI hameM narama bistara yAda nahIM AnA caahie| taba kaise gAlIce meM sote the' vagairaha aisA saba yAda nahIM AnA caahie| ve bAIsa pariSaha kyA aise haiM ki abhI sAre jIte jA sakeM? vahatA, yaha vijJAna hai isalie sArA hala A gyaa|

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114 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) prakRti ke sAmane yathArtha jJAtA-dRSTApana praznakartA : aba dAdA, vaha jo Apane kahA hai ki aba Apa apane Apa zuddhAtmA kA kAma karate raho, to isakA matalaba kyA jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI rahanA, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : basa, aura kucha bhI nhiiN| jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI! aura 'caMdUbhAI kI prakRti kyA kara rahI hai,' vaha dekhate rho| inakI gAr3I Ae taba caMdUbhAI kaheMge, 'yaha TakarA jAegI, aisA hogA, vaisA hogaa|' taba Apako vaha dekhate rahanA hai ki 'are vAha!' ye pudgala paryAya haiM sAre, inhIM ko dekhanA haiN| khuda kI prakRti ko dekhate rahanA hai| isa prakRti ko 'dekhA' to apane Apa hI phala dekara calI jAegI yAnI ki 'maiM phira se nahIM AU~gI, Apa mukta aura maiM bhI mukta' aisA kahakara calI jaaegii| phira agara Apako koI Apatti hai to bulavA lenA! eka bAra rAste para jA rahe the, to eka basa jala rahI thii| vaha maiMne dekhii| maiMne kahA, 'yaha basa jala rahI hai|' bhar3a,bhar3a,bhar3a, bhar3a are....bahuta bar3I holI kI taraha jala rahI thii| taba maiMne jAnA, 'yaha basa jala rahI hai|' taba phira maiM yaha dRSTi lAtA hU~ na ki yaha prakRti kahA~ taka calI ki 'are are, ina lar3akoM ne kyA lagA rakhA hai? ye ArakSaNa virodhI ! ina logoM ko khuda kI khabara nahIM hai ki ve kyA kara rahe haiM ! isa taraha yaha prakRti aMdara jo calane lagI, use maiM dekha hI rahA thA ki prakRti kaise cala rahI hai! prakRti to bole bagaira rahegI nahIM na! 'ye basa jalA rahe haiM aura aisA ho rahA hai' to isameM apane bApa kA kyA calA gayA? prakRti, jaise apanA hI ho aise aklamaMdI kie bagaira rahatI nhiiN| prakRti aisI saba aklamaMdI karatI hI rahatI hai| use hama dekhate rahate haiM, basa! aura kyA! hama samajha gae ki 'ohoho! prakRti kyA kara rahI hai?' 'lar3akoM ko aisA nahIM karanA caahie| lar3akoM ko isakI samajha nahIM haiM, isalie aisA kara rahe haiN| lar3akoM ko patA nahIM hai ki ve kyA kara rahe haiM!' lekina phira ina saba ko bhI hama

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 115 jAnate haiN| maiM ise jAna hI rahA hotA hU~ aura dUsarI tarapha prakRti to apanI bAteM karatI jAtI hai| aura isameM prakRti meM aMdara koI siraphirA ho to pUchegA ki Apa kauna ho?' taba phira hama kahate haiM ki 'hama kevalajJAna svarUpa haiN| tujhe jo karanA ho vaha kr| usa para jitane dAve karane hoM ve kara!' Apa jJAtA-dRSTA kahalAte haiN| khuda kI prakRti ko dekhanA, vaha jo hai vahI jJAtA-dRSTApana hai| phira prakRti ke sAtha bAta-cIta krnaa| caMdUbhAI ke nAma se hI vyavahAra rakhanA hai hmeN| 'udayakarma hai, aisA kahanA hI nahIM pdd'e| 'caMdUbhAI, kaise ho? ApakI tabiyata acchI hai yA nahIM?' subaha uThakara pUchanA aisA saba / kyoMki apane par3osI haiM na! harja kyA hai? aura phira jaina ke par3osI jaina hote haiM aura brAhmaNa ke brAhmaNa hote haiN| phira kyA parezAnI? isalie unheM 'kaise ho, kaise nahIM! Aja z2arA Der3ha kapa cAya pI lo' aisA khnaa| aisA karake Apa kAma to lenA! dekhanA kitanA suMdara karatI hai prkRti| prakRti ke sAtha eDajasTa honA AnA caahie| prakRti to suMdara svabhAva kI hai| vaha to cAhe pA~ca ubAsI khAe lekina eka sAtha ubAsI nahIM khAtI, vaha ApakA peTa khAlI nahIM kara detI! praznakartA : khuda kI prakRti ko pahacAnA kaise jAe? dAdAzrI : dekhane se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai| nirIkSaNa karane se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai| prakRti ko dekhanevAlA vyakti prakRti se bilkula judA hI hotA hai, tabhI dekha sakatA hai| saMsAra vyavahAra meM prakRti ko dekhanevAle nahIM hote, prakRti ko sTaDI karanevAle hote haiN| jJAna ke bAda 'khuda' AtmA banakara prakRti ko dekhatA hai, ki isakI kaisI-kaisI AdateM haiM? mana-vacana-kAyA kI AdateM aura usake svabhAva ko dekhatA hai| khIMce prakRti kI pikcara, mUla kaimare se Apa bhI apanI prakRti kI phoTo khIMca sakate hoN| sAla-do sAla

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116 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ho gae haiM jJAna lie lekina Apa z2arA kucha phoTo to khIMcakara laao| aura jagat ke logoM se kahakara dekho, sAdhu-AcAryoM se kahakara dekho ki phoTo khIMcakara lAo, to vaisA karanA nahIM aaegaa| eka bhI phoTo kAma nahIM AegI ina sAdhu-AcAryoM kI kyoMki kaimare nahIM haiM na! unhoMne khuda kA kaimarA ghara para banAyA huA hai, aMhakAra kaa| kaimarA to mUla maulika honA caahie| yaha to ahaMkAra rUpI kaimarA hai, kyA hogA isase? phoTo kaise khiMcegI usakI? samajhane ke lie z2arA sUkSma bAta hai yh| praznakartA : jJAna milane ke bAda vyakti kI prakRti kAma nahIM karatI, lekina samaSTi kI prakRti to kAma karegI na? vaha to apanA kAma karegI na? dAdAzrI : vaha jo kare use, use bhI hameM dekhanA hai aura isa prakRti ko bhI dekhanA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva meM A jAnA hai| prakRti meM maThiyA yA usakA svAda prakRti maThiyA (khAsa prakAra kA gujarAtI pakavAna jo divAlI para banAyA jAtA hai) khAtI hai| ye sabhI mahAtmA jAna cuke haiM isalie amarIkA meM, yahA~ jahA~ bhI jAe haiM, vahA~ para mere lie maThiye banAkara rakhate haiM lekina isa sAla sirpha do hI logoM ke yahA~ para khAe haiM, bs| jo mAphika Ae vaha prkRti| sabhI ke yahA~ para mAphika nahIM aayaa| taba z2arA sA khAkara maiM rahane detA huuN| yAnI agara koI aisA kahe ki inheM maThiye acche lagate haiM to vaha bAta mAna nahIM skte| maThiye meM rahA huA svAda, vaha merI prakRti meM hai| praznakartA : aura phira yaha kaisA hai dAdA ki apanI prakRti ko abhI bhAtA hai lekina phira se eka mahIne bAda vaha cIz2a nahIM bhaatii| badala jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : are tIna hI dinoM meM badala jAtI hai| dinabhara meM bhI badala jAtI hai| Aja parAThe bhAte haiM aura kala nahIM bhaate|

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[1.8] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 117 praznakartA : hA~, na bhI bhaaeN| dAdAzrI : Apane kaba sTaDI kI isakI? praznakartA : dAdA kA dekhatA hU~ isalie sTaDI hotI hai| sahaja prakRti kisa taraha kAma karatI hai, vaha to dAdA kA dekhane se hI patA calatA hai| dAdAzrI : nAztA Ae to dekha-dekhakara lete haiM lekina isameM alaga kyA hotA hai? to vaha yaha ki kisa para mircI z2yAdA lagI huI hai? usI kA nAma prkRti| prakRti ko saMpUrNarUpa se jAna le, taba bhagavAna bana jAtA hai| prakRtimaya nahIM rahe, tabhI jAna sakatA hai, varnA agara prakRtimaya ho jAe to nahIM jAna sakatA, tabhI se bNdhn| yadi prakRti use samajha meM A jAe to mukta ho jaaegaa| yaha prakRti hai, use agara Apa dekhate raho to bilkula bhI parezAnI nahIM hai| ApakI javAbadehI ho to harja nahIM hai| hamArI javAbadehI nahIM aaegii| ApakI dekhane kI icchA honI cAhie aura phira bhI agara nahIM dekha pAe to usakI phira z2immedArI nahIM rhtii|

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[1.9] puruSa meM se puruSotama zakti, puruSa aura prakRti kI praznakartA : puruSArtha parama devam, hara eka kI dRSTi meM puruSArtha kI paribhASA alaga-alaga ho sakatI hai to usameM se puruSArtha kI zreSTha paribhASA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : puruSArtha do prakAra ke haiN| eka to, khuda puruSa hokara prakRti se alaga ho jAe aura prakRti ko nihAre, to vaha puruSArtha kahalAtA hai| prakRti ko dekhatA rhe| 'prakRti kyA kara rahI hai?' use dekhatA hI rahe, vaha puruSArtha kahalAtA hai| aura dUsarA puruSArtha, isa jagat kI dRSTi se bhrAMta puruSArtha bhI saccA mAnA jAtA hai| kyoMki puruSArtha to hai hI na! usane ulTA kiyA to yaha ulTA phala milaa| sIdhA kiyA to sIdhA phala milaa| praznakartA : puruSa zakti aura prAkRta zakti ke bIca meM bheda spaSTa karane kI vinatI hai| dAdAzrI : puruSa zakti arthAt jo puruSArtha sahita ho, sva parAkrama sahita ho| ohoho! hama sva parAkrama se pUrI duniyA meM ghUmate haiM, eka ghaMTe meM! maiMne Apako puruSa banAyA usake bAda, Apake zuddhAtmA ho jAne ke bAda ApakI zaktiyA~ bahuta hI bar3hane lagatI haiN| lekina yadi isameM lakSa rakhoge, taba aura hamAre Taca meM rahoge to bahuta helpa kregii| yaha saba prakRti kA hai, prAkRta zakti hai| aba pharka sirpha itanA hI hai ki vaha (caMdUbhAI) prakRti meM tanmayAkAra rahatA hai aura hameM tanmayAkAra nahIM rahanA hai| prakRti jo karatI hai use dekhate rahanA hai|

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[1.9] puruSa meM se puruSotama mahAvIra bhagavAna sirpha khuda kI hI pudgala prakRti ko dekhate rahate the| usI ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahate the| aise karate-karate kevalajJAna upajA / jJAnI baiThe haiM sat ke saMga praznakartA : 'jJAnI bhI prakRti meM hI haiM' yaha samajhAie / dAdAzrI : hA~, hama bhI prakRti meM haiN| khAte haiM, pIte haiM, so jAte haiM, bAteM karate haiN| 119 praznakartA : 'lekina jo prakRti meM rahakara khuda alaga raheM, ve jJAnI !' dAdAzrI : hA~, hama isa zarIra se bAhara rahate haiM bilkula / par3osI kI taraha rahate haiN| aMdara jo baiThe haiM na, usa sata ke sAtha maiM baiThA hU~ aura mere sAtha ye saba baiThe haiM, isalie sata ke naz2adIka hI haiM na ye sabhI ! isalie phira maiM kyA kahatA hU~ ki nyUz2a pepara par3hoge to bhI harja nahIM hai, Apa yahA~ Akara laDDU khAoge to bhI harja nahIM hai lekina agara bAhara jAkara pustakeM aura zAstra par3hoge to parezAnI hogI / cAhe kucha bhI karoge to bhI parezAnI hogii| yahA~ para kucha bhI karoge to bhI harja nahIM hai, kyoMki sat ke pAsa ho na ! sat anya kahIM para ho nahIM sakatA / sat arthAt prakRti se bilkula alaga ! nirAlA !! zurU huA puruSottama yoga praznakartA : puruSa aura prakRti ko alaga rakhane kA upAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : puruSa aura prakRti donoM alaga cIjeM haiN| puruSa zuddhAtmA hai aura prakRti pudgala hai / prakRti pUraNa - galana svabhAva kI hai, puruSa jJAna svabhAva kA hai| puruSa akartA hai aura prakRti kartA hai, arthAt jahA~ para kartA kriyAmAna hai| jo hotA rahatA hai, vaha prakRti hai aura jo akriya rahe, vaha hai puruss| isa taraha alaga rakhanA hai| praznakartA : usake lie koI sAdhana ?

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120 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : yahI, jAgRti hI! ina donoM ko alaga-alaga pahacAna hI gae ki bhAI, yaha akriya hai aura yaha sakriya hai to donoM ko alaga rakhanA hai| praznakartA : jo prakRti lekara Ae haiM, vaha to duHkhadAI hI hai| aba vItarAga se jJAna milA hai| aba prakRti, prakRti kA kAma karegI aura jo sukha-du:kha kA anubhava hotA hai, vaha kama ho jAegA, halkA ho jAegA kabhI? dAdAzrI : vaha saba halkA nahIM, para chUegA hI nahIM bAda meN| jaba parAyA hai aisA jAna loge taba pUrA-pUrA anubhava hogaa| abhI taka to aisA anubhava nahIM hotA na ki parAyA hai| __ AtmA ke judA hone ke bAda sirpha puruSArtha bAkI rhaa| jaba taka dehAdhyAsa thA, taba taka puruSArtha nahIM khulA thaa| puruSArtha to, puruSa aura prakRti donoM ke alaga ho jAne ke bAda puruSArtha kI zuruAta hotI hai| puruSArtha karate-karate vaha puruSottama banatA hai! puruSa meM se puruSottama banatA hai| puruSottama yoga utpanna hotA hai| isa puruSArtha se kyA karanA hai? 'merA nahIM' 'mujhe kucha sparza nahIM karatA,''yaha hamArA nahIM hai,''merA nahIM hai' aisA kahane se cipakegA nahIM kyoMki yaha niyama hai ki yaha terA hai yA parAyA? aisI ulajhana khar3I ho na taba kaha denA ki 'merA nahIM hai'| to apane Apa bhAga jaaegaa| khaDA hI nahIM rhegaa| kahane ko nahIM rahegA ki 'maiM ApakA thaa|' 'yaha merA nahIM hai' kahA ki gyaa| dakSiNI (marAThI) loga 'AmacA nahIM' aisA kahate haiM lekina usakA artha yahI hai na! 'AmacA nAhI,' se pahale to 'tumacA hI thA na?' aba 'AmacA naahiiN|' bheda vijJAna se puruSa aura prakRti donoM judA ho jAte haiN| usake bAda puruSa hone ke bAda phira vaha ina AjJAoM kA pAlana kare to puruSottama banakara rhegaa| yaha aMtima dazA hai purussotm| purANa puruSa puruSottama bhagavAna kahalAte haiN| jinameM potApaNAM bhI nahIM hotaa| isa deha se potApaNAM nahIM rahatA ki 'maiM kaha rahA huuN| merI bAta kyoM nahIM sunate!'

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[1.9] puruSa meM se puruSotama praznakartA : khuda eka sekanDa ke lie bhI puruSa ho jAe to bahuta ho gyaa| 121 dAdAzrI : eka sekanDa ke lie bhI koI puruSa nahIM huA hai| ina AnaMdaghana jI mahArAja jaisoM ne kyA kahA hai? 'he ajItanAtha bhagavAna ! Apane to krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura rAga-dveSa ko jIta liyA isalie puruSa kahalAe, lekina ina logoM ne mujhe jIta liyA hai to maiM puruSa kaise kahalAU~gA? to phira puruSa kaise bana sakate haiM! eka sekanDa ke lie bhI puruSa ho jAe na, to paramAtmA bana jaaegaa|' puruSa aMtarAtmA hai aura puruSottama paramAtmA praznakartA : agara hama use puruSa kahate haiM to prakRti kI ye sArI lIlAe~, usa becAre ne kyoM bhogIM ? dAdAzrI : puruSa bhogatA hI nahIM hai / jaba taka bhoge, taba taka vaha puruSa nahIM khlaataa| jaba taka bhogatA hai taba taka ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai / jaba taka bhogatA hai, taba taka 'use' yaha bhrAMti hai, isalie ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai vaha aura usakA bhoganA baMda huA ki vaha puruSa bana jAtA hai| 'khuda' khuda ke svabhAva kA bhoktA bane, taba puruSa bana sakatA hai aura vizeSa bhAva kA bhoktA bane, taba taka ahaMkAra hai / praznakartA : svabhAva kA bhoktA yAnI kyA ? dAdAzrI : svabhAva kA bhoktA bane to puruSa bana jAe / AtmasvabhAva kA bhoktA bane to puruSa bana jAe aura vizeSa svabhAva kA bhoktA bane to ahaMkAra va jIvAtmA kahalAtA hai jabaki 'vaha' (svabhAva kA bhoktA) paramAtmA kahalAtA hai / aba jIvAtmA meM se ekadama se paramAtmA nahIM huA jA sakatA, isalie bIca meM thor3e samaya taka aMtarAtmA kI taraha rahanA par3atA hai, vizrAma ke lie / jIvAtmA meM jo kucha ikaTThA kiyA huA hai, usakA niber3A lAne taka aMtarAtmA kI taraha rahanA par3atA hai / usake bAda jaba ina saba kA niber3A A jAegA, taba khuda hI paramAtmA ! hai hI T paramAtmA !

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ye to nirI gutthiyA~ haiN| jahA~ virodhAbhAsa hai na, vahA~ para bahuta ulajhaneM haiN| jagat ko ve priya lagatI haiM! ulajhanavAlA hotA hai to phira maz2A AtA hai| 122 praznakartA : isakA kAraNa yaha hai ki ekadama se yadi prakAza mila jAe to bAkI ke jIvana kA kyA kareMge? dAdAzrI : bAkI kA jIvana bahuta suMdara bItatA hai / praznakartA : lekina prakAza mila jAne ke bAda bAkI kA jIvana rahegA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : phira puruSa banatA hai aura puruSa banA isalie phira khuda 'puruSa' meM se dinoM-dina 'puruSottama' banatA jAtA hai / ulajhanoM meM se mukti huI usake bAda phira ulajhana khar3I hI nahIM hogI na ! zuddhAtmA bana gae aura jJAtA - dRSTA bana gae, ve puruSa bana gae, jo prakRti ko nihAre ve puruSottama / jo niraMtara prakRti ko nihAratA rahe, vaha puruSottama kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : abhI ApakI jo sthiti hai, kyA usa sthiti ko puruSottama kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| hamArI sthiti usase thor3I kaccI hai| hamArI yadi vaha sthiti hotI to hama khuda hI dAdA bhagavAna bana jaate| arthAt hamArI z2arA cAra DigrI kama hai| isalie hama aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki 'usa rUpa hai|' isI vajaha se hama bheda vijJAnI, jJAnIpuruSa kahalAte haiM / jo hai vaisA hI batAnA cAhie, nahIM to khuda ko hI doSa lgegaa| jaisA hai usI ke lie hameM 'hA~' kahanA par3atA hai aura jo nahIM hai usake lie 'nA' kahanA par3atA hai| bhale hI kisI ko burA lage to harja nahIM, lekina jaisA hai vaisA hI kaha sakate haiN| hama aura kucha nahIM kaha sakate / Izvara hai yA nahIM, Izvara ne yaha banAyA hogA yA nahIM, to hameM jaisA hai vaisA kahanA par3atA hai| I phira puruSa banane ke bAda usakA puruSArtha zurU ho jAtA hai| phira usa

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[1.9] puruSa meM se puruSotama 123 puruSa kA puruSArtha hone se dinoM-dina vaha puruSa meM se puruSottamapane meM AtA jAtA hai| puruSottama paramAtmA bana jAtA hai| puruSa aMtarAtmA hai aura puruSottama prmaatmaa| basa puruSottama banane taka hI vaha aMtarAtmA hai aura puruSa banA tabhI se puruSottama banane kI zuruAta huii| astitva, 'maiM hU~', isakA to pUrI duniyA ko bhAna hai, jIvamAtra ko bhAna hai ki 'maiM huuN|' 'maiM kyA hU~?' vaha bhAna nahIM hai| usa vastutva kA bhAna nahIM hai| yadi 'maiM' 'puruSa hU~', aisA ho gayA to phira sabakucha ho gyaa| usake bAda pUrNatva apane Apa hI hotA rahatA hai, puruSa ho jAne ke bAda! yaha gaNita sAdA hai yA muzkila hai? praznakartA : bilkula aasaan| dAdAzrI : hA~, bilkula hI AsAna hai yaha to! mujhe to aisA gaNita A gayA, sabhI udAharaNa A ge| ulajhanoM meM se bAhara nikala gayA aura svataMtra hokara ghUmA!

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA bhinnatA donoM ke jAnapane meM praznakartA : jo prakRti ke guNa-doSa dekhatA hai, dekhanevAlA vaha kauna dAdAzrI : vaha prakRti hI hai| praznakartA : prakRti kA kauna sA bhAga dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : buddhi kA bhAga, ahaMkAra kA bhaag| praznakartA : to phira isameM mUla AtmA kA kyA kAma hai? dAdAzrI : mUla AtmA ko kyA hai? use lenA-denA hai hI nahIM na! praznakartA : mUla AtmA kA dekhanA-jAnanApana kisa taraha kA hotA dAdAzrI : vaha nirlepa hotA hai aura yaha to lepita hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki jo acchA-burA dekhatA hai vaha lepita bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha sArA lepita bhAga! praznakartA : isa buddhi ne prakRti kA acchA-burA dekhaa| vaha jo kucha dekhatA hai, jAnatA hai, vahI vaha khuda hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti kA doSa dekhe to vaha prakRti hI ho gaI, AtmA nahIM hai vahA~ pr| AtmA aisA nahIM hai| use kisI kA doSa nahIM dikhAI detaa|

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA praznakartA: dUsaroM ke doSa kI bAta nahIM kara rahe haiM, khuda ke hI doSoM kI bAta kara rahe haiM 125 dAdAzrI : doSa dekhatA hai, isIlie usa samaya vaha prakRti hI hai lekina vaha ucca starIya prakRti hai / AtmA ko prApta karavAnevAlI / praznakartA : aura jo prakRti ko nirdoSa dekhatA hai, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : jo prakRti ko nirdoSa dekhatA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| vahI zuddhAtmA hai| vaha kisI aura cIz2a meM hAtha hI nahIM DAlatA na ! praznakartA: nirdoSa dekhane meM use kaisA AnaMda milatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AnaMda, vaha muktAnaMda kahalAtA hai ! praznakartA : matalaba, pariNAma ke bAre meM kucha bolatA hI nahIM ? dAdAzrI : pariNAma ko, prakRti ke pariNAmoM ko dekhatA hI nahIM hai| do prakAra ke pariNAmika jJAna haiN| eka jo hai vaha prakRti kA pariNAmika jJAna hai aura eka AtmA kA pariNAmika jJAna hai| praznakartA : lekina vaha jaisA hai vaisA dekhane meM kauna sA svAda cakha rahA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AnaMda to usane cakha liyA hai na! lekina vaha kyA kahatA hai, 'mujhe AnaMda kI kucha bhI nahIM par3I hai / mujhe to yaha jaisA hai vaisA dekhane kI par3I hai|' isalie hama kyA kahate haiM ki 'jaisA hai vaisA' dekho na! vaha saba se aMtima bAta hai ! aba prakRti kA jo pariNAmika jJAna hai use Apa nirdoSa dekho, to Apa pAsa ho gae aura doSita dekhA to ulajhana khar3I kI ! praznakartA : kauna se jJAna prakAza kI vajaha se AtmA kA bhAga use doSita nahIM dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha kevalajJAna ke aMzoM kI vajaha se doSita nahIM dekhtaa|

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126 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : unheM doSita dekhane meM kucha aisA AnaMda dekhA hogA ki jo rAga-dveSa meM pariNamita hotA hogA, nAzavaMta hogA isalie doSita nahIM dekhatA? dAdAzrI : nirdoSa dekhane meM AnaMda AtA hai| lekina vaha isa hetu se nahIM dekhatA ki AnaMda Ae, lekina vaha to yoM hI, hai hI aisA ! jaisA hai vaisA' dekhatA hai, 'jaisA hai vaisA' dekhatA hai aura ve....(prakRti) jo haiM ve, 'jaisA hai vaisA' nahIM dekhate isI vajaha se duHkha hotA hai! jJAnI eka ko dekhate haiM aura eka ko nihArate haiM? hama se agara koI kahe ki 'ApakI pITha pIche aisA bola rahe the,' to maiM kahU~gA, 'bolane do bhaaii| yaha merA udaya svarUpa hai na, aura usakA bhI udaya svarUpa hai becAre kA aura usa udaya svarUpa ko hama nihArate haiN|' __hama pUre jagat ko, jIvamAtra ko zuddha svarUpa se hI dekhate haiN| jaise Apa dekhate ho vaise hI hama bhI dekhate haiM aura prakRti ko udaya ke rUpa meM nihArate haiN| eka ko dekhate haiM aura eka ko nihArate haiM aura doSita to koI hai hI nahIM, nirdoSa hai jgt| logoM ko doSita dikhatA hogA? patnI doSita dikhatI hai? sabhI doSita hI dikhate hai na! praznakartA : Apane kahA na ki eka ko hama dekhate haiM aura eka ko nihArate haiM, to vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| nihArane meM aura dekhane meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA se dekhate haiM, hama dRzya ko dRSTA kI taraha dekhate haiM, AtmA se AtmA ko dekhate haiM aura isa deha dRSTi se udaya svarUpa ko nihArate haiM ki vaha kisI ko gAlI de rahA hai to vaha usakA udaya svarUpa hai, isameM Aja usakA doSa nahIM haiN| usakA doSa to, aMdara vaha jo bhAva kara rahA hai, vahI usakA doSa hai lekina apane mahAtmA to bhAva bhI nahIM krte| kartApana chUTa gayA, islie| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' isalie kartApana chUTa gayA hai| vAstava meM Apa zuddhAtmA ho yA vAstava meM caMdUbhAI ho?

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA 127 praznakartA : zuddhAtmA huuN| dAdAzrI : to phira kartApana chUTa gyaa| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vahI kartApana thaa| ataH kartApana chUTa gyaa| aba Apa meM kartApana nahIM rahA, Apako karma nahIM bNdhege| praznakartA : dAdA, ise pacAne meM dera lagI hai| bAkI sabhI ko paca gayA hai, mujhe pacAne meM dera lagI hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki Aja, aisI bAta kabhI-kabhI hI nikalatI hai, aisI bAtoM kA jaise-jaise bhojana loge, utanA hI ThIka hotA jaaegaa| ve pacatI jaaeNgii| aisI bAteM huI hI nahIM haiM na! aise saMjoga milane cAhie na! aura Apake to kaise saMyoga! utaranA unake vahA~, rahanA unake yahA~ aura khAnA unake hAthoM se! taba phira bAta bana hI jAegI! aise saMyoga, aise kSaNa kaI dinoM meM kabhI Ate haiN| kabhI-kabhI aisA A jAtA hai na to vaha oNlarAiTa ho jAtA hai, lekina Apa to AjJA pakar3a kara rakho to bahuta ho gyaa| AjJA nahIM chor3oge to koI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| mAtra prakRti ko hI nihArate raho praznakartA : khuda kI prakRti aba dikhane lagI haiM, sabakucha dikhane lagA hai| ye mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra dikhate haiM, lekina inheM sTaDI kaise karanA hai? prakRti ke sAmane jJAna ko kisa taraha kAma karanA cAhie? kisa taraha jAgRti rahanI cAhie? usakI sTaDI kaise kI jAe? dAdAzrI : prakRti kI sTaDI kI jAe na to hameM patA cala hI jAegA ki prakRti aisI hI hai abhI tk| prakRti kA hameM patA cala hI jAegA ki yaha prakRti aisI hI hai| aura agara kama patA calA hai, to dhIre-dhIre bar3hatI hI jAegI dinoMdina lekina aMta meM phula ho jaaegii| hameM sirpha kyA karanA hai? 'ye caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM?' use hameM dekhate rahane kI z2arUrata hai! vahI zuddha upayoga hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, kaI bAra aisA hotA hai na ki aise dekhate

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128 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) rahate haiM aura usameM kisI ghar3I aMdara vicalita ho jAte haiM aura bAda meM phira usake riekzana Ate haiN| dAdAzrI : kahA~ ghusa jAte ho? praznakartA : khuda kI prakRti hameM satata dekhanI hai, lekina dekha nahIM pAte to usameM kauna sI cIz2a kAma karatI hai? dAdAzrI : AvaraNa! AvaraNa tor3anA par3egA vaha to| praznakartA : kisa taraha TUTegA? dAdAzrI : apane yahA~ vidhiyoM se dinoM-dina TUTatA jAegA, vaisevaise dikhatA jaaegaa| ye saba to, AvaraNamaya hI thA saaraa| kucha bhI nahIM dikhatA thA, aba dhIre-dhIre-dhIre dikhane lagA hai| yaha AvaraNa pUrI taraha se nahIM dekhane dete| abhI sAre doSa nahIM dikhate haiN| kitane dikhate haiM? dasapaMdraha dikhate haiM? praznakartA : bahuta sAre dikhate haiN| dAdAzrI : sau-sau? praznakartA : cena calatI rahatI hai| dAdAzrI : phira bhI pUre nahIM dikhAI dete| pUre nahIM dikhAI dete| AvaraNa haiM na, avirata rahate haiM na phira! kaI doSa hote haiN| vidhiyA~ karate samaya hamase bhI sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama doSa hote rahate haiM na! agara hama se aise doSa ho jAe~, jo sAmanevAle ko nukasAna na pahu~cAe~ to unakA bhI hameM patA cala jAtA hai| hameM turaMta unheM sApha karanA par3atA hai| usake binA calegA hI nahIM na! jitane dikheM utane sApha to karane hI par3ate haiN| praznakartA : purAnA jo sabakucha ho cukA hai, usakA bojha rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : purAne kA bojha to hameM yoM pheMka denA hai| hama kyoM bojha rakheM? agara abhI taka Apako Taca hotA hai to bojha rhegaa| praznakartA : jJAna kI vajaha se aba sabhI kI prakRti dikhatI hai| yaha

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA 129 jo pahale ho cukA hai, usameM logoM kI sArI prakRti dikhatI hai, khuda kI prakRti dikhatI hai, aba eDajasTamenTa kisa taraha se leM? vaha saba dikhatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, sabakucha dikhegaa| prakRti ko pahacAna letA hai n| khuda puruSa huA isalie prakRti ko pahacAna letA hai, nahIM to prakRti ko pahacAna hI nahIM sakate na! usakA nirIkSaNa karatA hai, prakRti kA pRthakkaraNa karatA hai| aMdara guNa hote haiM, unheM bhI DhU~Dha nikAlatA hai| phira yoM hara eka kI prakRti hotI hai na aura usa prakRti ko khapAe to bhagavAna bana jaae| agara usa prakRti ko khapA de, usa prakRti ko jAne to bhagavAna banane kI zuruAta karatA hai| agara khuda kI prakRti ko khuda jAne to bhagavAna banane kI zuruAta ho gaI aura phira use khapA de, jAnane ke bAda samabhAva se nikAla krke| prakRti ko dekhe, kyA-kyA kisake sAtha, caMdUbhAI dUsaroM ke sAtha kyA kara rahe haiM? use khuda dekhatA hai| lar3a rahA ho to lar3ate hue bhI dekhatA hai| praznakartA : phira dAdA, use khapAe~ kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : prakRti ko dekhatA rahe, usI ko khapAnA kahate haiN| vyavahAra meM khapAnA arthAt samabhAva se khpaanaa| mana ko vicalita nahIM hone denaa| kaSAyoM ko maMda karake baiThe rahanA aura khapAte rahanA, usI ko khapAnA kahate haiN| yoM aMtima prakAra kA khapAte haiN| yaha to niber3A hI A gayA, dekhate rahe use| bhagavAna mahAvIra eka hI pudgala ko dekhate rahate the| pudgala kisa tarapha jA rahA hai, bAra-bAra kahA~ jA rahA hai? usI ko dekhate rahate the| isalie hama kahate haiM ki 'khuda kI prakRti ko dekho, nihAro!' kisI bhI manuSya meM, tIrthaMkaroM meM bhI prakRti hotI hai| usakA niber3A lAe bagaira cArA hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : siddha dazA ho jAne ke bAda, vahA~ prakRti nahIM rahatI? dAdAzrI : vahA~ nahIM miltii| nirvANa hone para prakRti calI jAtI

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130 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai| nirvANa arthAt kyA? prakRti ko dekhA aura jAnA, usake bAda phira prakRti nahIM rhtii| phira siddha dazA utpanna huI, vahA~ para nirvANa kahalAtA hai| loga isa nirvANa zabda kA upayoga kahIM bhI kara lete haiN| isa nirvANa zabda kA jo artha hai, usakA ghAta karate haiN| jinhoMne nirvANa prApta kiyA hai na, unhIM logoM ke mu~ha se nikalA huA zabda hai aura ve hI ise samajha sake haiM jabaki dUsare loga bolate z2arUra haiM, lekina samajhe to sirpha vahI loga haiM ki nirvANa kyA hai? praznakartA : taba taka bharata kSetra meM eka aura janma lenA pdd'egaa| aisA hogA na? dAdAzrI : aisA saba nahIM socanA hai| ina saba vicAroM meM nahIM par3anA hai| isase Age jAkara prakRti ko nihAro, prakRti kyA kara rahI hai use dekho, use nihaaro| kharA puruSArtha to, khuda puruSa ho jAne ke bAda prakRti ko dekhatA rahe, to vaha kharA puruSArtha hai| prakRti ko dekhatA hI rahe, bs| eka janma meM mokSa meM calA jAegA, agara isa taraha nihAranA A gayA to| vaha hai aMtima prakAra kI svarUpa bhakti praznakartA : khuda kI prakRti aba acchI nahIM lagatI, prakRti dikhatI hai aura aba vaha prakRti aisI ho gaI hai ki jo ginanevAlA thA, vahI aba bhUla jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : pahale prakRti dikhAI detI thI? praznakartA : bilkula nahIM daadaa| dAdAzrI : kaisA AtmA prApta huA hai! ohoho! jo prakRti ko nihAratA hai| prakRti ko nihAratA hai| jo khuda prakRtirUpa meM rahakara bhaTakA hai, vahI khuda kI prakRti ko nihAratA hai| aba kyA hai? jo jJAtA thI, vahI jJeya bana gii| jo dRSTA thI, vaha dRzya bana gii|

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA caMdUbhAI jo karate haiM, usa prakRti ko nihAranA, use svarUpa bhakti kahate haiN| prakRti ko nihAranA ! isameM karanA kyA hai? jo nihAratA hai, vaha prakRti ke lie risponsibala nahIM hai, jo nahIM nihArate haiM ve risponsibala haiN| 131 praznakartA : hama jo vidhiyA~ karate haiM, namaskAra vidhi, caraNavidhi bolate haiM, vaha sva kI bhakti kahalAtI hai yA hama prakRti ko dekheM, vaha ? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM ! jo ye vidhiyA~ bolate haiM, ve to caMdUbhAI bolate haiN| caMdUbhAI mukta hone ke lie bolate haiM lekina use Apa jAnate ho ki caMdUbhAI kyA bole aura kyA kaccA raha gayA, vaha Apa ho / caMdUbhAI kA kyA kaccA raha gayA, galatI kahA~ para huI, jo yaha saba jAnatA hai, vaha Apa ho| Apa aura caMdUbhAI donoM sAtha meM hI ho, lekina donoM kA vyApAra alaga hai| praznakartA : vaha to alaga hI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, basa, basa / donoM ke vyApAra ko eka kara dete ho isalie mAra par3atI hai| prakRti ko nihAranA / use svarUpa bhakti yA svaramaNatA jo kaho vh| svarUpa bhakti arthAt bhakti karane meM koI harja nahIM hai / ramaNatA ko hI bhakti kahate haiM / abhI pudgala ramaNatA hai / are, Ama ko dekhakara aMdara lAra Tapakane lagatI hai| usa ramaNatA ko dekho na, kaisA maz2A AtA hai! lekina citta cipaka jAtA hai vahA~ para / agara dAdA yAda raheM na to vaha AtmaramaNatA kahalAtI hai / jJAnIpuruSa khuda kA AtmA hai yAnI ki mUla AtmA ko pakar3ane meM to abhI dera lagegI use, lekina jJAnIpuruSa kI ramaNatA kareM na, yoM A~khoM ke sAmane dikheM calate-phirate, to phira aura kyA cAhie? isase z2yAdA kyA cAhie? prakRti ko nihAranA, sva-ramaNatA hai / prakRti ke aMdara kyA-kyA AyA? to vaha hai, mana-buddhi - citta - ahaMkAra, indriyA~ vagairaha sabakucha prakRti meM A gyaa| aura agara koI caMdUbhAI se kahe, 'caMdUbhAI, Apa meM aqla nahIM hai, kaoNnTraikTa kA dhaMdhA ThIka se nahIM karate ho, ' aura agara ceharA bigar3a jAe

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aura use vaha khuda nihAre to basa, ho gayA / Apako khuda ko patA calatA hai ki ceharA bigar3a gayA usameM harja nahIM hai, una logoM ko harja hai agara ceharA bigar3a jAe to| Apako harja nahIM hai lekina Apa nihAro use / praznakartA : pahale Apane eka vAkya aisA kahA thA ki 'tU vikalpa mata karanA, lekina yadi vikalpa ho jAe to vikalpa aura vikalpI donoM ko dekhnaa| to phira tU mukta ho jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : dekhanA ! ThIka hai yahI hai sva-ramaNatA ! jo prakRti ko nihAra cuke, ve bane paramAtmA 'prakRti' parAdhIna hai, AtmAdhIna nahIM hai| jo 'prakRti' ko pahacAne vaha paramAtmA bana jAe / 'puruSa' ko pahacAna le to 'prakRti' ko pahacAnA jA sakatA hai| jJAnI ho jAne ke bAda puruSa ho jAtA hai| puruSa ho jAne para puruSArtha zurU ho jAtA hai aura puruSa kA puruSArtha kyA hotA hai? to vaha yaha ki 'prakRti ko hI nihArate rhnaa|' I jo prakRti ko nihAre vaha puruSa hai| prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vaha paramAtmA hai| to phira prakRti meM kyA-kyA nihAranA hai? to vaha yaha ki 'mana kyA vicAra kara rahA hai use nihAre, buddhi kyA - kyA nirNaya letI hai use bhI nihAre, ahaMkAra kyA - kyA pAgalapana karatA hai use bhI nihAre / kahA~ para TakarAtA hai vaha bhI nihAre kyoMki ahaMkAra aMdhA hai / dhRtarASTra jaisA hai| vaha to buddhi kI A~khoM se calatA hai / are, buddhi ke alAvA to ise koI rakhegA hI nhiiN| yaha to buddhi hai isalie yaha sArA rauba par3atA hai| bar3e presiDenTa bana baiThe haiN| buddhi pradhAnamaMtrI banatI hai / jo ahaMkAra ko, ina saba ko nihAre, vaha hai shuddhaatmaa| sirpha nihAranA hI hai inheN| praznakartA : koI vyakti corI kara rahA ho, taba use patA rahatA hai ki yaha galata hai / aba, corI karatA hai vaha bhI pariNAma hai, yAnI ki nirjarA ho rahI hai| mana meM bhAva karatA hai ki yaha galata hai to vaha bhI nirjarA hai ? dAdAzrI : saMsArI logoM ne, jinhoMne AtmA prApta nahIM kiyA hai

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA 133 unake lie bhAva meM puruSArtha hai| aura apane yahA~ para to bhAva kA puruSArtha nahIM hai| apane yahA~ bhAva ko khatma kara diyA hai| isalie zuddha upayoga hI apanA puruSArtha hai| praznakartA : vahI apanA puruSArtha hai| arthAt jitane samaya taka jJAtAdRSTA rahate haiM, vahI puruSArtha hai! dAdAzrI : yA phira dUsaroM meM zuddhAtmA dekho yA phira AjJA pAlana karo to puruSArtha hai| merI jo pA~ca AjJA haiM na, unheM pAlo to usa ghar3I puruSArtha hai hii| arthAt pA~ca AjJA meM rahe na to vaha zuddha upayoga hI hai| varnA prakRti ko nihAranA hai| abhI agara caMdUbhAI kisI se kica-kica kara rahe hoM, to usa pala vaha khuda caMdUbhAI ko dekhe ki ohoho, kahanA par3egA! abhI bhI vaise ke vaise hI ho Apa, kucha bhI pharka nahIM pdd'aa| isa taraha dekhe to vaha zuddha upayoga kahalAegA! praznakartA : 'prakRti ko nihAre vaha puruSa aura jo prakRti ko nihAra cukA hai vaha paramAtmA hai|' yaha z2arA acchI taraha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : arthAt caMdUbhAI kI prakRti, caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, ina saba ko jo nihAre, vaha puruSa kahalAtA hai aura jo nihAra cukA hai vaha paramAtmA hai| praznakartA : puruSa aura paramAtmA meM kyA pharka haiM? dAdAzrI : puruSa jo hai, vaha abhI paramAtmA ho rahA hai| jabaki paramAtmA ke lie phira koI bhI kriyA nahIM rahI, khuda jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI haiM, jabaki Apako phAiloM kA nikAla karanA bAkI hai, bs| arthAt puruSa abhI taka dekhane kA abhyAsa kara rahA hai ki yaha prakRti kara rahI hai, yaha vaha khuda nahIM kara rahA hai, vaha saba yaha prakRti kara rahI hai| aisA jo samajhe vaha puruSa kahalAtA hai| sAmanevAlA gAliyA~ deM taba mana meM aisA rahe ki 'ohoho! yaha kartA nahIM hai| yaha to prakRti kara rahI hai|'

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134 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) taba vaha puruSa kahA jAegA lekina abhI taka sthiratA nahIM AI hai puruSa jaisI, isalie vicalita ho jAtA hai| bAkI hai puruSa hii| aba jise nihArane kA kAma nahIM rahA, turaMta hI, yoM sunate hI prakRti dikha jAtI hai, vaha paramAtmA ho gyaa| __ agara galatiyA~ nikAlatA hai, to prakRti ko nihAra nahIM rahA hai| bAda meM use patA calatA hai ki yaha bhUla ho gii| bhUla hai hI nahIM isa jagat meM kisI kI aura jo bhI bhUla hotI hai vaha bhUla prakRti kI hai| aura prakRti kI bhUla ko hama 'vaha bhUlavAlA hai' aisA kaheM to vaha bhayaMkara gunAha hai| arthAt hamane kyA kahA hai? jaba prakRti ke sAtha prakRti lar3a rahI ho to use dekho! praznakartA : vaha nihAratA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira koI parezAnI nahIM hai lekina dUsarI prakRti lar3a rahI ho, use apane se duHkha ho rahA ho to vaha apanI bhUla hai kyoMki sAmanevAlA prakRti ko jAnatA nahIM hai| vaha to aisA hI jAnatA hai ki 'yaha maiM hI hU~' ataH use kucha bhI nahIM kaha skte| kisI ko bhI duHkha nahIM ho, aisA hI honA cAhie aura koI parivartana bhI honevAlA nahIM hai, cAhe Apa kalaha karo yA na kro| anaMta janmoM se kalaha hI lagA rakhI hai| dUsarA kucha kiyA hI nahIM aura khuda aisA mAnatA hai ki isase kucha parivartana ho jaaegaa| koI bhI parivartana nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, prakRti ke sAmane hama jo pratikramaNa karate haiM, usase thor3A parivartana to ho sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : usameM parivartana lAne ke lie hamane jJAna diyA hai| vaha jJAna jaba pariNAmita hogA taba parivartana hogaa| aise vilaya hotA hai potApaNuM praznakartA : potApaNuM prakRti ke guNoM se utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : prakRti guNoM se hI potApaNuM utpanna huA hai lekina vaha

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[1.10] prakRti ko nihAra cukA, vahI paramAtmA 135 jo potApaNAM ho gayA hai, usakA nAza ho jAnA caahie| potApaNAM ko to calA hI jAnA cAhie dhiire-dhiire| praznakartA : isa jJAna meM rahane se yaha dhIre-dhIre calA jAegA na, dAdA? dAdAzrI : potApaNAM ko nihArane se potApaNAM dhIre-dhIre kama hotA jAtA hai| usake lie bahuta jaldabAjI karane jaisA nahIM hai| isa potApaNAM kA nikala jAnA koI aisI-vaisI bAta nahIM hai| potApaNAM gayA to khuda bhagavAna hI ho gyaa| praznakartA : potApaNe meM kyA-kyA nihAranA hai? dAdAzrI : pUrI prakRti ko hI nihAranA hai| pUrI prakRti potApaNAM hI hai| vahIM para mAnatA thA na ki 'yaha maiM huuN|' 'jo' prAkRta bhAga se mukta hai, aisA 'jise' 'jJAna' hai, vaha 'jJAnI' hai| khulA prakRti kA vijJAna Ara-pAra ye sabhI khojeM naI haiM aura akrama vijJAna kI haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, Apake dvArA AtmA kA sAinsa to pUrI taraha se nikalA hI hai, dUsarI tarapha prakRti kA sAinsa bhI Ara-pAra pUrNAhuti taka kA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka bAta hai| praznakartA : prakRti kA vijJAna kahIM bhI nahIM batAyA gayA hai, daadaa| koI bhI varNana nahIM kara sakA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina kaise karegA? ise jAnanA hI muzkila hai| praznakartA : kisI bhI zAstra meM prakRti kA jJAna nahIM hai, daadaa| dAdAzrI : zAstra kahanevAle kauna hai? prakRti meM rhnevaale| prakRti meM rahakara, prakRti ko jaannevaale| lekina ve prakRti ko pUrA nahIM dekha

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136 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) skte| kevalajJAniyoM ne yaha saba nahIM batAyA hai| kevalajJAniyoM ne to kucha bhAga hI batAyA hai| praznakartA : unheM to phira kucha rahA hI nahIM na daadaa| AtmA ke alAvA prakRti kA kucha bhI nhiiN| isIlie vaha varNana baMda hI rahA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, bAhara nahIM AyA hai| opana nahIM huA hai| praznakartA : isIlie dAdA kI vANI meM sabhI logoM ke lie kriyAkArI ho jAtA hai ki isameM sabakucha khullamakhullA hai| eka tarapha AtmA kA khullamakhullA hai aura dUsarI tarapha prakRti kA bhI khullamakhullA hai| arthAt kahIM bhI ulajhana nahIM hotii| aura aMta meM 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa,' vaha to hada hI kara dii| dAdAzrI : hA~, hada kara dI vaha to! mujhe khuda ko bhI lagatA hai ki yaha to hada kara dI!!

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[2.1] dravyakarma trikarma se baMdhe hue haiM jIva | praznakartA : eka cIz2a para hamArA satsaMga ho rahA thA ki dravyakarma kA artha kyA hai? bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma kI hama jo bAta karate haiM, vaha z2arA samajhAie na hameM! dravyakarma kise kahate haiM? bhAvakarma kise kahate haiM? nokarma kise kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, samajhAte haiM, abhI samajhAte haiN| dravyakarma, bhAvakarma aura nokrm| cauthe prakAra kA koI karma hai nhiiN| ina tIna karmoM ko lekara hI pUre jagat ke jIva baMdhe hue haiN| ye tIna hI gA~The haiM, isI kAraNa se ye jIva jIvAtmA ke rUpa meM rahe hue haiN| ye tIna gA~The TUTa jAe~ to paramAtmA ho jaae| aba tIna janoM ko pahacAnanA hai| jaise ki hama tIna logoM ko pahacAna leM, usake bAda bhUlate nahIM haiM, usI prakAra ye karma tIna prakAra ke haiN| dravyakarma, bhAvakarma aura nokrm| anya koI karma nahIM hote| sabhI karmoM kA samAveza ina tInoM meM ho jAtA hai| inheM pahacAna lenA hai| kitane hI loga kyA samajhate haiM ki ye jo bhAvakarma kara rahe haiM, unake phala svarUpa ye saba dravyakarma aaeNge| khAne kA bhAva kiyA, vaha bhAvakarma hai aura khAnA khAyA, use dravyakarma kahate haiN| vAstava meM aisA nahIM hai| dravyakarma vibhakta hue ATha prakAra meM.... pUrI jiMdagI ye jo saba karma kie haiM, unakA sAra ATha bhAgoM meM

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) vibhAjita ho jAtA hai| ve sabhI dravyakarma kahalAte haiM / arthAt isa janma meM dravyakarma meM ulTe cazme aura deha, do cIjeM milatI haiN| jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNIya, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, ye cAroM paTTiyoM ke rUpa meM haiM aura nAma, gotra, AyuSya aura vedanIya jo haiM ve baoNDI (zarIra) ke rUpa meM haiM, ye ATha prakAra ke dravyakarma haiN| jaba se 'isakA' janma huA tabhI se ye AThoM ATha karma haiM hii| praznakartA : to phira yaha dravyakarma AyA kahA~ se? I dAdAzrI : vaha pahale ke karmoM kA hisAba hai, sAra hai / gata janma kA sAra arthAt pU~jI lekara AyA hai / usI meM dravyakarma A ge| aba dravyakarma to muphta meM mile hue haiN| puruSArtha nahIM karanA pdd'aa| 138 ye hara eka karma niraMtara eka-eka samaya meM baMdha rahe haiM, unheM ATha bhAgoM meM vibhakta kiyA lekina jaba karma baMdhana hotA hai, usameM to AThoM karma hote haiN| unakA phira vibhAjana hotA hai| kucha karma aise hote haiM jinase deha bana jAtA hai| kucha karmoM kI vajaha se use kar3avA - mIThA svAda AtA hai| kucha karmoM kI vajaha se vaha lokapUjya yA lokaniMdya mAnA jAtA hai, aisA saba hai| aura kucha karma usake janma-maraNa ..... koI jaldI mara jAtA hai, koI dera se maratA hai| cAra karma ye haiM aura cAra karma aise haiM jo A~khoM para paTTiyA~ bA~dha dete haiN| jJAna AvRta ho gayA isalie jJAnAvaraNIya hai, darzana AvRta ho gayA, sUjha nahIM par3atI isalie drshnaavrnn| usase ulTA hI dikhatA hai / jaise 'Apake' cazme hote haiM vaisA hI dikhegA na? ! use dravyakarma kahate haiM / phira Age jAkara mUla vastu para AvaraNa A jAte haiM, isa vajaha se sabhI kaI prakAra se ulTe calate rahate haiM / aba dravyakarma ke bAre meM batAtA hU~ / jaise kisI vyakti ko Age kI sUjha nahIM par3a rahI ho to aMdhe kI taraha TakarAtA rahatA hai, to vaha darzanAvaraNa karma hai| ThIka se jAna nahIM pAtA hai, vaha jJAnAvaraNa karma hai / phira, yaha moha bhI dravyakarma hai| phira vighnakarma, aMtarAya karma, vaha dravyakarma hai| yaha jo baoNDI hai na, vaha dravyakarma kA bhAga hai / yaha baoNDI hai tabhI nAma aura rUpa haiM

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[2.1] dravyakarma 139 na? yaha baoNDI hai tabhI zAtA (sukha-pariNAma), azAtA (duHkha-pariNAma) vedanIya haiM na? yaha baoNDI hai tabhI ucca gotra aura nIca gotra haiM na? aura yaha baoNDI hai tabhI mRtyu hai na! arthAt AThoM prakAra ke karma, zarIra hai to sabhI utpanna hote haiN| ataH yaha jo baoNDI hai, vaha dravyakarma hai| cazme se khar3I ho gaI bhrAMti AtmA aura deha donoM judA hI haiM, phira bhI kauna aisA dikhAtA hai ki eka haiM? to vaha yaha ki cazme ulTe haiM, vahI dravyakarma hai| arthAt hara eka jIva cazme lekara AtA hai| hara eka ke alaga-alaga cshme| kisI ko aisA dikhatA hai, kisI ko aisA dikhatA hai, ye saba dravyakarma haiN| ulTe cazme haiM usI se yaha saba ulTA cala rahA hai| phira kabhI agara dUsarA janma mile taba cazme badala jAte haiN| lekina jitanA jAnatA hai, usa anusAra cazme badalate jAte haiN| arthAt dravyakarma to mUla vastu hai| saMsAra utpanna hone kA mukhya kAraNa dravyakarma hai| jaisI dravyakarma kI paTTiyA~ hotI haiM, vaisA hI dikhatA hai| 'khuda ko' khuda kA hI darzana khatma ho gayA hai| paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiM, cazme laga jAte haiM aura cazme ke mAdhyama se dekhanA par3atA hai| jaisA dikhAI detA hai vahI sahI! arthAt aisA hai na ki dravyakarma sabakucha ulTA hI dikhAte haiN| jaise ki kisI vyakti kI A~khoM kI putalI ulTI ho to use ulTA dikhatA hai usI taraha se yaha dravyakarma harA, pIlA aise taraha-taraha kA dikhAtA hai aura isalie isa saMsAra meM bhrAMti utpanna huI haiN| jaisA hai vaisA yathArtha nahIM dekhane deM aura bhrAMti utpanna karavAe~, ve cazme haiM, dravyakarma haiN| ina dravyakarmoM se hI zuruAta huI hai isa jagat kii| ina cazmoM kI vajaha se phira se usake bhAva badalane lagate haiM, vaha hai bhaavkrm| usake bAda taraha-taraha kI icchAe~ utpanna hotI haiN| cazme kI vajaha se dikhatA hai sabakucha ulTA dravyakarma arthAt kisI ko pyAz2a bahuta bhAtI hai aura kisI ko

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140 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) pyAz2a dekhate hI cir3ha macatI hai| yaha dRSTiroga hai| ye cazme galata haiN| isalie kisI ko sabakucha pIlA dikhatA hai aura kisI ko harA dikhatA hai| harevAlA kahatA hai ki pIlA nahIM hai, harA hai| taba hameM samajhanA cAhie ki bAhara aisA nahIM hai lekina 'ise' aisA dikha rahA hai| isalie 'hA~' kaha do, nahIM to abhI jhagar3A ho jaaegaa| hameM samajha jAnA cAhie ki yaha becArA kaha rahA hai, lekina khuda kI zakti se nahIM hai, khuda ke sAdhana se nahIM hai balki khuda ke avalaMbana se kaha rahA hai| jo bhI avalaMbana prApta huA, jo cazme lagAe haiM na, arthAt yaha jo dravyakarma haiM ve cazmArUpI bana gae haiN| 'use' sabakucha ulTA hI dikhatA hai ki 'ye mere sasura aae|' vAstava meM aisA hai nhiiN| AtmA ko sasura dikheMge? AtmA ko AtmA hI dikhatA hai lekina cazme aise haiM ki AtmA bhI sasura hI dikhatA hai| ye mere jamAI aae| lo! hai AtmA aura ye jo sasura dikha rahA hai vaha dravyakarma hai| sasura hotA hogA kabhI kahIM? aura agara hai to kitane TAima taka? kucha TAima ke lie hI, paccIsa sAla yA phira DivaoNrsa na le taba tk| DivaoNrsa le le to phira dUsare dina kauna use sasura kahegA? ye mere phAdara haiM, ye merI madara haiM, aisA saba jo dikhAtA hai, vaha sArA dravyakarma hai| dravyakarma arthAt kyA ki ye ulTe cazme laga gae haiM isIlie 'hama' jo haiM use jAnate nahIM haiM, isa ulTe cazme kI vajaha se nahIM jAnate haiN| ulTA jJAna, ulTA drshn| hare cazme pahanakara Ae hoM to harA dikhatA hai| arthAt bhrAMtivAle ko jagat bhrAMtivAlA hI dikhatA hai| isakA niber3A kaba AegA phira? kisI bhI cIz2a kA niber3A lAnA par3atA hai yA nahIM lAnA par3atA? ataH jo dravyakarma baMdhate haiM na, unakI vajaha se 'dRSTi' ulTI ho jAne se yaha saba cala rahA hai, ulTe-sIdhe bhAva dikhAI dete haiN| bhagavAna ko kyA bhIkha mA~gane kA bhAva hotA hogA? to samajha nahIM jAnA cAhie ki kucha ulTA-sIdhA ho gayA hai? zAdI karane kA bhAva Ae, vaidhavya kA bhAva Ae, to kyA vaha acchA lagatA hai?

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[2.1] dravyakarma 141 dravyakarma arthAt kyA? A~kha se kama dikhatA hai, z2yAdA dikhatA hai, cazme lAne par3ate haiN| kAna hone ke bAvajUda bhI mujhe kyoM baharA rahanA par3atA hai? mujhe kyoM sunAI nahIM detA? to vaha isalie ki dravyakarma bigar3e hue haiN| bhAvakarma bigAr3e the isIlie, ye dravyakarma bigar3a ge| usI kA yaha phala hai| ATha karma kyA haiM? ATha dravyakarma haiN| yaha sArA jJAna anaMta hai| jo AvaraNa A gayA hai, vaha jJAnAvaraNa hai| apAra darzana hai lekina AvaraNa A gayA hai| vaha darzanAvaraNa hai| darzanAvaraNa aura jJAnAvaraNa kI vajaha se mohanIya utpanna ho gayA hai aura usakI vajaha se vighna utpanna hue haiN| ve haiM vighnkrm| aMtarAya arthAt 'Apako' icchita cIjeM nahIM mila paatiiN| bhaTakate raho to bhI koI ThikAnA na pdd'e| nahIM to yoM socate hI cIjeM sAmane A jAe~, usI ko kahate haiM ki 'atarAya karma TUTa ge|' bahuta garmI par3e to parezAna ho jAte haiM, sardI par3e to ThaMDa lagatI hai, vaha vedanIya hai| phira haiM, naam-ruup| nAma rakhA hai na yaha ! caMdU! to phira nAma-rUpa yAnI ki 'maiM aisA hU~, vaisA hU~, jaina hU~ aura phalAnA huuN'| phira AtA hai gotr| 'bahuta acchA iMsAna hai aura kharAba iMsAna hai', ye saba gotra kahalAte haiN| usake bAda meM AtA hai AyuSya! yahA~ janma huA hai isalie maranevAlA to hai hii| dAr3ha duHkhe, vaha bhI dravyakarma hai| par3hAI-var3hAI, buddhi vagairaha saba dravyakarma meM A gayA lekina vaha saba sthAvara hai (badala nahIM sktaa)| phira inameM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| dravyakarma to, kyA bhojana leMge vaha sabakucha aMdara hai| praznakartA : likhA huA hai? dAdAzrI : likhA huA nahIM hai, aMdara hai hii| upavAsa bhI hai| upavAsa karane kA hogA to vaha sasura ke gA~va meM bhI bhUkhA mregaa| aba isa sAinsa ko DaoNkTara kaise samajheMge? kisI zAstra meM nahIM milegaa| yaha to akrama vijJAna kA rahasya hai|

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142 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dravyakarma arthAt saMcitakarma praznakartA : to sArA dravyakarma prArabdha jaisA ho gayA na! mujhe kahA~ janma lenA hai, kyA nAma rakhanA hai, aisA saba? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| dravyakarma ko saMcitakarma kahate haiM, jo pU~jI hai usameM se eka-eka saMcitakarma udaya meM AtA jAtA hai| jaba phala dene ke lie sammukha hotA hai taba prArabdha karma bana jAtA hai| usa phala ko cakhate samaya samatA rahI yA viSamatA rahI, usase phira nayA hisAba baaNdhaa| agara phala cakhate samaya samatA rahI to Apako koI bhI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| praznakartA : dravyakarma aura udayakarma meM kyA pharka haiM? dAdAzrI : jaba dravyakarma phala dene ko taiyAra ho jAtA hai taba vaha udayakarma kahalAtA hai| udayakarma ke mAdhyama se dravyakarma khatma ho jaaegaa| jaba taka phala dene ko taiyAra nahIM huA hai, taba taka dravyakarma hai| praznakartA : acchA dravyakarma lAnA ho to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : phala cakhane meM samatA rakhanI caahie| phala cakhane meM arthAt, hamane samabhAva se nikAla karane kA kahA hai na saaraa| kar3hI phIkI ho yA khArI lekina samabhAva se nikAla kara ddaal| dravyakarma, to iMsAna kyoM aisA ulTA karatA hai? to vaha isIlie ki darzana para, jJAna para ulTI paTTiyA~ baMdhI huI haiM, isalie to aisA ulTA karatA hai na! yadi ina paTTiyoM ko zuddha kara do to kucha nahIM kregaa| to hama ApakI ina paTTiyoM ko zuddha kara dete haiM, jJAna dekara, darzana dekr| isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda kucha prakAra ke dravya khatma ho jAte haiN| jo ulTe cazme haiM, ve| bAkI ke cAra karma to bhogane hI par3ate haiN| nAma, vedanIya, gotra aura AyuSya vagairaha sb|

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[ 2.2 ] jJAnAvaraNa karma dravyakarma kA udAharaNa praznakartA : hara eka karma ko DiTela meM smjhaaie| dravyakarma udAharaNa sahita smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : momabattI dekhI hai, momabattI I praznakartA : hA~ jI, momabattI dekhI hai| dAdAzrI : momabattI meM kyA-kyA cIjeM hotI haiM? usake aMdara ? praznakartA : moma hotA hai aura battI hotI hai / dAdAzrI : ye saba sAdhana haiM aura phira jaba use jalAte haiM, taba pUrI momabattI kahalAtI hai / prakAza detI hai / usI prakAra yaha prakAza denevAlI momabattI hai| yaha jo pUrI momabattI hai, ve ye sAre dravyakarma haiM, niraMtara pighalate hI rahate haiM aura nayA dravyakarma utpanna hotA hai / jaise-jaise yaha momabattI jalatI hai, vaise-vaise pighalatI hI rahatI hai niraMtara / to isa dravyakarma meM isa momabattI meM kyA-kyA cIz2eM haiM, vaha batAtA huuN| phira usa momabattI meM Apa aisA samajheM haiM ki dhAgA hai na, aura vaha hai, usI prakAra isameM jJAnAvaraNa karma hai / jo jJAna ko prakaTa na hone de, vaha jJAnAvaraNa karma kisI vyakti ko A~khoM para paTTiyA~ bA~dhakara bhejeM, to usa vyakti ko kaisA - kaisA dikhegA ? kyA dikhegA?

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144 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : kucha bhI nahIM dikhegaa| dAdAzrI : isa AtmA para (vyavahAra AtmA para) aise paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiN| jaise-jaise karma Apane kie vaisI paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiN| una paTTiyoM kI vajaha se harA dikhatA hai| jJAnAvaraNIya karma arthAt jinase hameM Age vastu (AtmA) jJAna meM nahIM aatii| yaha jo jJAna apane pAsa hai, vaha usake (vastu ke) lie AvaraNa rUpI hai, prakAza nahIM hone detA hai| hai, phira bhI prakaTa nahIM hone detaa| arthAt paradA hai jJAna pr| aba yadi paradA haTa jAe to apane pAsa mAla to hai, bAhara se lene nahIM jAnA hai| vaha jJAnAvaraNa karma hai| praznakartA : jo hameM rahatA hai vaha jJAnAvaraNa hai? dAdAzrI : sirpha Apa akele ko nahIM, pUre jagat ko yahI hai na! jJAnAvaraNa arthAt A~khoM para paTTiyA~ bA~dhI huI haiM na! vaha dekhatA hai ki yaha makAna pIlA kyoM dikha rahA hai? are, makAna sapheda hai| terI paTTiyA~ hI tujhe dikhA rahI haiM, usameM hama kyA kareM? yAnI yaha terA jJAna kA AvaraNa hai| jJAnAvaraNa bAdhaka hai aise praznakartA : AtmA ke bAre meM jJAnAvaraNa karma kyA hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' aba 'zuddhAtmA' hI vijJAna hai aura usa para AvaraNa A gayA hai| arthAt hameM ujAlA nahIM AtA, isalie jJAna kA hameM patA nahIM cltaa| vaha AvaraNa khisake to jJAna utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : jo jJAnAvaraNa hotA hai, vaha ekjekTa kisa taraha kA hotA hai? yaha udAharaNa dekara smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : aba kitanI hI cIjeM, do-cAra laukI par3I haiM, aba Apa to kyA samajhate ho ki ye saba laukI haiM, lekina inameM se kauna sI kar3avI hai aura kauna sI mIThI, aisA kaise jAnoge Apa?

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[2.2] jJAnAvaraNa karma 145 praznakartA : cakheMge tabhI patA clegaa| dAdAzrI : cakheMge taba to... vaha to phira buddhi hai| yoM hI (binA cakhe) jAna pAo, tb| lekina yaha jJAnAvaraNa bAdhA DAlatA hai, jJAna para AvaraNa hai| apanA AvaraNa haTatA hai na, agara cakheM to? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : use kahate haiM jJAnAvaraNa httaanaa| jAnakArI patA nahIM calatI, vaha kahalAtA hai jnyaanaavrnn| kar3avA ho to sUMghatA hai| sUMghakara jo jJAna hotA hai, vaha indriya jJAna kahalAtA hai jabaki vaha (AtmA kA) hai DAyarekTa jnyaan| jJAna DAyarekTa honA caahie| jJAnAvaraNa kI paTTiyoM kI vajaha se hI to sahI cIz2a anubhava meM hI nahIM AtI ki saccA sukha kyA hai? 'maiM kauna hU~?' usakA bhAna hI nahIM hotA, vaha saba jJAnAvaraNa hai| vahI ajJAna hai| isI sAre ajJAna meM rahatA hai pUrA jgt| isIlie jaba Age jAkara phira jJAna milatA hai taba jJAnAvaraNa se mukta ho jAtA hai| ulTI samajha se cala rahA hai yaha to.... praznakartA : kisI jagaha para eka pravacana meM sunA thA ki khAnA khAte samaya agara hama bAteM kareM to jJAnAvaraNIya karma baMdhatA hai| kyA aisA hai? dAdAzrI : pUre dina jJAnAvaraNa hI baMdhate haiM na! sirpha bolane se hI nahIM, pUre dina karma hI baMdhate rahate haiN| sirpha jJAnAvaraNa hI nahIM, aise sAre bhayaMkara mohanIya karma baMdhate haiN| dharmasthAna para balki bar3he AvaraNa dharma kA vyAkhyAna sunane jAe, usa samaya jJAnAvaraNa karma kA baMdhana hotA hai| aisI bAta koI mAnegA kyA? sabhI pratirodha kareMge na? mAro ina dAdA ko!! dAdA hI bekAra hai| are, dAdA kI bAta ko samajho na! mere aise zabda yoM hI nahIM nikala jaate| bAta ko samajho to sahI! vyAkhyAna meM gurujI bolate rahate haiM, aura vaha sunatA rahatA hai| isa kAna se sunatA hai aura usa

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kAna se nikAla detA hai / bilkula bhI nahIM sudharA / paccIsa sAla taka dharmasthAna para gayA lekina jaisA thA usase bhI z2yAdA bigar3a gayA, labAr3a (jhUThA) ho gyaa| sudhara gae hoM, aise to bahuta kama loga hoMge! haz2Ara meM se do-pA~ca loga hI aise nikaleMge / praznakartA : lekina vahA~ para jJAnAvaraNa karma kaise baMdhatA hai? dAdAzrI : jahA~ para jJAna de rahe hoM, vahA~ para agara pramAda rahe to jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa karma donoM baMdhate haiN| vaha koI sabz2I-bhAjI kI dukAna nahIM hai! sabz2I-bhAjI kI dukAna meM pramAda rakho to clegaa| praznakartA : dharma kA vyAkhyAna sunane jAe~ to usase baMdha par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabakucha ulTA hI ho gayA hai| isalie ulTA ho gayA yaha saba aura vahA~ se nIce utarakara phira 'seTha, jhAr3a kyoM diyA ? lekara jAnA thA na ghara para!' are, ye jJAnAvaraNIya aura darzanAvaraNIya bar3ha ge| kauna se janma meM bhogoge? z2arA to samajho ! bhagavAna kI bAta to samajho ! ekAdha akSara samajho na! 146 vahI saba se bar3A jJAnAvaraNa sAmanevAlA umra meM bar3A ho to bhI kahegA ' Apa samajhate nahIM ho, Apa meM aqla nahIM hai|' inakI aqla nApane nikale ! aisA to kahIM bolA jAtA hogA? phira jhagar3e hI hoMge na ! lekina aisA nahIM bolanA cAhie, sAmanevAle ko duHkha ho aisA, ki 'Apa meM aqla nahIM hai|' sAmAnya loga to nAsamajhI ke mAre aisA bolakara z2immedArI uThAtA hai lekina jo samajhadAra hotA hai, vaha to khuda aisI z2immedArI uThAegA hI nahIM na ! sAmanevAlA ulTA bole lekina khuda sIdhA bolegaa| sAmanevAlA nAsamajhI meM bhale hI kucha bhI pUche lekina ve khuda ulTA nahIM bola skte| z2immedAra haiM khud| I 'Apa samajhate nahIM haiM' aisA bhI nahIM kaha sakate / hameM to aisA kahanA cAhie ki ' bhAI, z2arA soco to sahI ! Apa z2arA soco to sahI !' bAkI

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[2.2] jJAnAvaraNa karma kisI ko 'samajhate hI nahIM ho,' aisA kaheM to phira kyA ye saba bevakUpha hI haiM? aisA kahate haiM yA nahIM kahate loga? 147 praznakartA : kahate haiM, ye buddhivAle loga aise hI kahate haiM ki 'ye samajhatA nahIM hai|' dAdAzrI : hA~, aise kahatA hai sAmanevAle ko ki 'Apa nahIM smjhoge'| aisA kahanA, vaha saba se bar3A jJAnAvaraNa karma hai| 'Apa nahIM samajhoge' aisA nahIM kahanA cAhie, lekina 'Apako samajhAU~gA' aise kahanA caahie| 'Apa nahIM samajhoge' kahane se to sAmanevAle ke dila para ghAva lagatA hai! praznakartA : jJAnI mila jAe~ taba bhI jJAnAvaraNa karma na TUTeM, kyA aisA ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : TUTa jAtA hai / vaha khuda Ter3hA ho to nahIM TUTatA / praznakartA : agara usakA jJAnAvaraNa karma bahuta pakkA (bhArI) ho, to vaha jJAnI se milane para bhI koI mela nahIM baiThatA na? dAdAzrI : agara usameM Ter3hApana ho to phira saba Ter3hA hI rhegaa| mAlika Ter3hA nahIM ho to kucha bhI nahIM hogA / pharka, ajJAna aura jJAnAvaraNa meM praznakartA : jJAna kA AvaraNa kaise haTa sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, inakA pati hU~, maiM DaoNkTara huuN|' Apa aisA kaha rahe the na, vahI jJAnAvaraNa hai| isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda utanA jJAnAvaraNa TUTa gyaa| aba jaise-jaise AjJA kA pAlana karoge vaise-vaise Age kA bhI TUTatA jaaegaa| aba igoiz2ama nahIM kuudegaa| khuda ke vaza meM rahA jA sake, itanA jJAnAvaraNa TUTa gayA hai lekina samAdhi to, jitanA AjJA kA pAlana kareMge utanI hI rahegI / praznakartA : ajJAna aura jJAnAvaraNIya karma, ina donoM meM kyA pharka hai?

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148 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : jJAnAvaraNa to AvaraNa hai aura ajJAna kA matalaba to khuda kA bhAna hI nahIM hai| jJAnAvaraNa to kama-jyAdA bhI ho sakatA hai lekina ajJAna to ajJAna hI rahatA hai| ApakA ajJAna to nikAla liyA hai lekina jJAnAvaraNIya pUrA nahIM nikala sktaa| yaha ApakA ajJAna tor3a diyA hai lekina jJAnAvaraNIya kA kucha bhAga TUTa gayA lekina bAkI kA jo bacA hai vaha to dhIre-dhIre khatma ho jaaegaa| pahale ajJAna jAtA hai usake bAda, jJAnAvaraNIya AvaraNa dhIre-dhIre khatma ho jAe to pUrNimA ! pUnama kA caaNd| taba taka bIja kA cA~da rhegaa|

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[2.3] darzanAvaraNa karma aise bane ye donoM (karma) isa momabattI meM kyA-kyA cIjeM haiM? vaha batAtA hU~ aapko| eka jJAnAvaraNa karma hai aura dUsarA darzanAvaraNa karma hai| darzanAvaraNa karma pUrI zraddhA hI bana cukI hai, 'darzana' hI huA hai| darzana ulTA ho gayA hai| Apa ho to sanAtana aura 'darzana' meM jIvAtmA ho isalie aisA Dara baiTha gayA ki mara jaauuNgaa| darzana badala gayA hai| vaha darzana kA AvaraNa hai, isI vajaha se to hama ina A~khoM se dekhate haiN| praznakartA : darzanAvaraNa kA udAharaNa dIjie na! dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, agara cehare para kapar3A Dhaka diyA to kyA Apako dAdA dikha rahe haiM? praznakartA : nahIM dikha rahe haiM ab| dAdAzrI : ise darzanAvaraNa kahate haiN| A~kheM haiM phira bhI AvaraNa A gyaa| yaha AvaraNa haTa jAegA to dikhegaa| ise kahate haiM 'darzanAvaraNa gyaa|' darzana Avarita ho gyaa| aba A~khoM para bhI jaba cakSu AvaraNa A jAe taba motiyAbiMda ho jAtA hai, kucha aura ho jAtA hai| taraha taraha ke AvaraNa haiN| ye AvaraNa aise nahIM haiM ki inakA patA cale, lekina darzanAvaraNa to hai hii| ____ bAkI aura saba dekhane kI anaMta zakti hai aMdara, darzana kI, lekina AvaraNa hai to phira kyA kare? ina A~khoM se jitanA dikhAI detA hai, utanA

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150 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dekha sakatA hai becaaraa| anya kucha nahIM dikhtaa| ataH jitanA A~khoM se dikhatA hai usI ko kabUla kara letA hai| isa jJAna ko vaha utanA hI samajha sakatA hai jitanA buddhi se samajha meM AtA hai| bAkI, aMdara to apAra jJAna hai lekina apane pAsa jo sattA hai, sAmAna, usake AdhAra para kucha kaha sakate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, yaha jJAnAvaraNIya aura darzanAvaraNIya (karmoM kA baMdhana) kaise huA hogA? udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : matalaba vaha apane Apa hI mAna letA hai ki 'maiM baccA hU~,' to usase jJAnAvaraNa karma baMdha jAtA hai| pichale janma meM hamane zuddhAtmA sikhAyA ho na, taba bhI isa janma meM logoM ke saMga se use vApasa jJAnAvaraNa A jAtA hai, lekina apanA jJAna aisA hai ki usa para jJAnAvaraNa A to jAtA hai lekina jaba samajhane lagatA hai na, taba chUTa jAtA hai apane Apa hii| yoM hI thor3A bhI, agara koI bhI nimitta mile na, to pUrA chUTa jAtA hai| lekina jJAnAvaraNa to loga jo ajJAna dete haiM na, usI ko kahanA par3atA hai na! aura phira nAma rakhate haiM 'cNduu'| hameM kahanA par3atA hai na 'caMdU'! 'maiM caMdU hU~,' phira yaha batAte haiM ki ye tere pApA haiM, ye terI mammI haiM aura phira pApA ko 'pApA' kahanA par3atA hai| haiM sabhI AtmA aura hama samajhate haiM ki 'ye pApA aae|' arthAt ina saba se jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa banate haiN| maiM caMdU hU~' pahale usakI zraddhA baiThatI hai| usase phira darzanAvaraNa taiyAra hotA hai| phira jJAna meM A jAe, anubhava meM A jAe taba jJAnAvaraNa ho jAtA hai| aisA hone ke bAda aMtarAya par3ane lagate haiM sabhI prakAra ke aura phira moha utpanna hotA hai| mohanIya utpanna hotA hai| mohanIya (karma) baMdhatA hai| cAroM ora kA vyApAra zurU ho jAtA hai aise| to ye mere sasura Ae, mere mAmA Ae, mere cAcA Ae aisA saba kauna dikhAtA hai? ulTI paTTiyA~ haiM islie| ulTA darzana hai, mithyAtva darzana hai| mithyAtva darzana arthAt ulTI paTTiyA~ aura vahI dravyakarma hai| aura AvaraNa to jJAna-AvaraNa va drshn-aavrnn| basa aura kisI

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[2.3] darzanAvaraNa karma 151 prakAra ke AvaraNa nahIM hote| AvaraNa arthAt A~khoM para paTTiyA~ bA~dhakara sTezana taka jaanaa| aisA acchA hai yA paTTiyA~ bA~dhe binA jAnA acchA? praznakartA : paTTiyA~ bA~dhe binA jAnA z2yAdA acchA hai| dAdAzrI : ye saba paTTiyA~ bA~dhakara ghUma rahe haiM aura paTTiyA~ bA~dhakara vyApAra zurU kiyA hai aura phira nahIM dikhane kI vajaha se ye TakarAte rahate haiN| taba kahate haiM, A~khoM se to dikha rahA hai! are, yaha dekhanA nahIM hai! yoM jo TakarA jAtA hai, vaha nahIM dikhane kI vajaha se hai| koI bhI TakarAva hotA hai to vaha nahIM dikhane kI vajaha se hai, nahIM jAnane kI vajaha se hai| praznakartA : use Apane darzanAvaraNa kahA hai na? dAdAzrI : darzana aura jnyaan-aavrnn| darzana-AvaraNa se sUjha nahIM pdd'tii| kaI loga kahate haiM na ki sUjha nahIM pdd'tii| praznakartA : hA~, hA~ ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : vaha darzana kA AvaraNa hai aura kucha dera tapa karane se vaha AvaraNa haTa jAtA hai| taba kahatA, 'mujhe sUjha pdd'ii|' sUjha, hI darzana hai aMdara sUjha par3anA yA na par3anA, use darzanAvaraNa karma kahA jAtA hai| kucha loga ulajhate (kanphyUz2a) hI rahate haiN| eka bahana jI se kahA ho ki 'dAla-cAvala-kar3hI-pUr3iyA~-khIra vagairaha banA do|' pakaur3e vagairaha sabakucha Der3ha ghaMTe meM taiyAra kara detI hai aura dUsarI koI bahana jI tIna ghaMTe taka ulajhana meM par3a jAtI hai| vaha kyoM ulajhana meM par3a jAtI hai? sUjha nahIM par3atI hai| dekho koI burA mata mAnanA, haM! praznakartA : sUjha par3ane ko dravyakarma kahA hai Apane? dAdAzrI : sUjha par3anA bhI dravyakarma hai aura nahIM par3anA, vaha bhI dravyakarma hai kyoMki yadi nApasaMda mehamAna Ae~ aura usameM Apa sahamata ho jAe~ ki bahuta acchA huA,' to Apako z2yAdA sUjha pdd'egii| aura agara

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152 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) Apa kaho ki 'are, abhI kahA~ se A gae,' to sUjha kama ho jaaegii| arthAt hamane khuda apane Apa hI paTTiyA~ bA~dhI haiN| paTTiyA~ bA~dhanevAlA anya koI hai hI nhiiN| ApakI khuda kI hI paTTiyoM kI vajaha se Apa bhaTaka rahe ho| praznakartA : samajha aura sUjha meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : samajha ko sUjha kahate haiN| samajha darzana hai, vahI Age bar3hate-bar3hate TheTha kevaladarzana taka pahu~catA hai| aMta meM hotA hai darzana nirAvaraNa praznakartA : sUjha aura darzana eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : eka z2arUra haiM lekina loga darzana ko bahuta nimna bhASA meM le jAte haiN| darzana to bahuta ucca vastu hai| vItarAgoM ne sUjha ko darzana kahA hai| gyArahaveM mIla se calate-calate Age pahu~ce to vahA~ kA darzana hotA hai| jaisejaise Age cale, vaise-vaise usakA 'DevelapamenTa' bar3hatA jAtA hai aura vaise-vaise usakA darzana aura bhI bar3hatA jAtA hai aura eka dina aMdara lAiTa ho jAe ki 'maiM yaha nahIM hU~, lekina maiM AtmA hU~' to darzana nirAvaraNa ho jAtA hai! praznakartA : sUjha kahA~ se AtI hai? dAdAzrI : jaise-jaise AvaraNa khulatA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise Age kI sUjha par3atI jAtI hai| isa taraha jaise-jaise pravAha meM bahatA huA AtA hai, vaise-vaise AvaraNa khulatA jAtA hai aura vaise-vaise use sUjha par3atI jAtI hai| sUjha niraMtara bar3hatI hI hai| praznakartA : yaha jo sUjha hai, vaha kyA AtmA prerita hogI? AtmA prerita sUjha honI cAhie na, tabhI ho pAegA na? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA prerita sUjha nahIM hai| vaha AtmA kA eka bhAga hai ki jo AvRta hai aura vaha AvaraNa meM se nikalA hai, udaya meM A cukA bhAga hai sUjha nAma kA! aura vahI darzanAvaraNa kI taraha mAnA jAtA hai aura isameM se sUjha bar3hate-bar3hate aMta meM vaha sarvadarzI ho jAtA hai|

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[2.3] darzanAvaraNa karma 153 jJAnavidhi se khatma darzanAvaraNIya praznakartA : ye jJAnAvaraNIya aura darzanAvaraNIya jIvana meM kisa taraha se haiM? dAdAzrI : ye bhAI sAhaba haiM, ye kyoM ulajhe hue (kanphyUjDa) rahate haiM, AtmA hai phira bhI? sUjha nahIM par3atI na? sabhI bAteM samajha meM nahIM Ae~ to ulajhana meM par3a jAtA hai becaaraa| taba vaha darzanAvaraNIya karma kahalAtA hai| kaI loga kahate nahIM haiM ki mujhe kisI cIz2a meM sUjha nahIM par3a rahI hai| vaha darzanAvaraNIya karma kA phala hai| sUjha bhI nahIM pdd'tii| kaI loga kahate haiM ki 'merA vyApAra to aisA ho gayA hai, koI sUjha nahIM pdd'tii|' vaha darzanAvaraNIya karma hai agara sUjha par3e lekina jAnakArI nahIM hai ki maiM vyApAra kaise calAU~, to vaha jJAnAvaraNIya karma hai| 'kucha hai' aisI sUjha par3I, hameM samajha meM AyA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha sUjha par3I lekina aba usakI jAnakArI nahIM hai ki kyA hai, vaha jJAnAvaraNIya karma hai| isake lie hama yahA~ milate rahate haiN| aba ina jJAnAvaraNIya karmoM ko tor3anA cAhate haiN| darzanAvaraNIya karma to TUTa ge| darzanAvaraNIya hI pahale TUTatA hai, usake bAda dhIre-dhIre jJAnAvaraNIya TUTatA hai| praznakartA : 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' kyA yaha jJAnAvaraNIya karma kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, jJAnAvaraNa alaga cIz2a hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' vahI darzanAvaraNa hai| vaha roMga bilIpha, vahI darzanAvaraNa hai| praznakartA : aura jJAnAvaraNa? dAdAzrI : roMga jJAna ko jJAnAvaraNa kahate haiN| praznakartA : roMga jJAna aura roMga bilIpha kA kartA ahaMkAra hai na? caMdUbhAI hI na? vahI saMpUrNa AvaraNa hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI AvaraNa hai|

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154 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : vaha kaba TUTegA? dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba chUTa hI jAtA hai na! darzanAvaraNa to chUTa jAtA hai| usake bAda usameM usake bhAvaka raha jAte haiN| usake jo bhAvaka raha jAte haiM, ve karavAte haiN| usa ghar3I hameM alaga rahanA caahie| darzanAvaraNa arthAt jo kaoNz2ez2a ko utpanna karatA hai| nAsamajhI se kaoNz2ez2a utpanna karatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' yaha jo roMga bilIpha hai, vahI drshnaavrnn| praznakartA : Apa jo jJAnavidhi karavAte haiM na, usameM kyA darzanAvaraNIya TUTane se hameM darzana hotA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba use aisA bhAna hotA hai ki kucha haiM,' matalaba darzanAvaraNa gyaa| usake bAda kyA hai' vaha DisAiDa ho jAtA hai, anubhava hone lagatA hai to isakA matalaba jJAnAvaraNa gyaa| darzanAvaraNa to TUTa hI cukA hai na! pUrA hI TUTa gayA hai| to hama jo dete haiM, vaha kevaladarzana hai| vaha kSAyaka darzana hai| darzanAvaraNa TUTa jAne ke bAda kSAyaka darzana kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : usI prakAra se darzanAvaraNa aura mithyAdarzana meM kyA pharka hai| dAdAzrI : mithyAdarzana bhI calA gayA hai aura darzanAvaraNa bhI calA gayA hai| jJAnAvaraNIya nahIM gayA hai|

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[2.4] mohanIya karma potApaNAM mAnanA, vahI mohanIya karma kitane guNa batAe isa momabattI ke? praznakartA : do guNa btaae| dAdAzrI : aura dravyakarma kise kahate haiM ki isa moha se jo dikhatA hai, jo dravyakarma haiM, ve cazme haiN| moharUpI cazme / 'yaha merI vAipha AI' kahegA aura hama inake pati haiN|' ohoho! bar3e Ae pati banakara! mohanIya arthAt jahA~ para khuda nahIM hai vahA~ para potApaNAM mAnanA aura usake jo bhI rilezana haiM, unheM khuda ke maannaa| yaha jo apanA hai hI nahIM use to khuda kA mAnate hI haiM lekina isake jo bacce haiM, unheM 'mere bacce haiM' aura isake jamAI 'mere hI jamAI haiN|' are, kaba taka ina jamAIyoM ko sira para biThAegA? isIlie hI haiM bhava ke bIja, ghanaghAtI karma, mohanIya! __ mohanIya karma se bhUlA khuda ko mohanIya arthAt kyA hai ki mAna lo eka nagInadAsa pUre gA~va meM seTha kI taraha pahacAne jAte haiN| ve rAta ko sote samaya, khAne se pahale itanI zarAba pIte hoM aura khAkara so jAte hoM, niyamapUrvaka lete hoM to usakA bhI AvaraNa to AtA hI hai, lekina usa AvaraNa kA patA nahIM cltaa| aba eka dina mitra Ae, taba ve do-tIna pega z2yAdA pI le to phira kyA ve nagInadAsa raheMge? aisA aklamaMda iMsAna taba unake vahA~ jAe~ to kahane lagatA hai, 'maiM hiMdustAna kA presiDenTa huuN|' to hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki yaha kisa cIz2a kA asara hai ina para?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) 'are bhAI, Apa aqlamaMda iMsAna ho, yaha kyA kaha rahe ho Apa ! ' arthAt jo zarAba pI thI, usakI sattA A gii| khuda kI sattA calI gaI / khuda kI sattA calI gii| to phira sattA kisakI hai? hukUmata kisakI hai? to phira ve seTha kyA kahate haiM ki 'maiM to presiDenTa oNpha inDiyA hU~,' ise moha kahate haiN| khuda jo nahIM hai, khuda apane Apako vahI mAnatA hai / arthAt dUsarI prakAra se bolanA, vaha sArA moha kahalAtA hai / 'maiM inakA pati hU~, maiM inakA bApa hU~, maiM inakA beTA hU~,' yaha sArA moha hai ! 156 aisA kaba taka rahatA hai? jaba taka zarAba kA asara hai taba taka aura sAikolaoNjikala iphekTa, agara koI kahe na ki 'tU to pati hai, pati hai, pati hai,' to use aisA lagane lagatA hai ki 'maiM pati huuN|' yahI hai moha! yaha jo moha hai usase, 'maiM kauna hU~', para AvaraNa A jAtA hai aura phira dUsarI taraha se 'maiM inakA pati hU~, inakA mAmA hU~, inakA cAcA hU~,' isa taraha jJAnAvaraNa A jAtA hai| pahale darzanAvaraNa AtA hai, yAnI ki apanI sArI zraddhA badala jAtI hai / 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, ' vaha zraddhA calI jAe aura 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ vahI saca hai,' aisA mAne to usase phira jJAnAvaraNa A jAtA hai| vahI anubhava meM bhI A jAtA hai / usake bAda moha se pahalI zuruAta hotI hai| zuruAta mohanIya, phira nayA darzanAvaraNa, phira nayA jJAnAvaraNa AtA rahatA hai| zarAba ke naze kI vajaha se bolatA hai / use aisI bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI isIlie phira khuda kA svarUpa bhUla gayA / isa prakAra ina laukika logoM ne jahA~ para sukha mAnA hai, usI prakAra hamane bhI usa saMjJA se sukha mAnA ki isI meM sukha hai / jJAnI kI saMjJA se sukha mAnA hotA to niber3A A jAtA lekina logoM ne jahA~ mAnA hama bhI vahIM para sukha DhU~Dhane ge| isase mohanIya AvaraNa A gyaa| phira hama jo bhojana karate haiM usa bhojana se nazA car3hatA hai| aura usase pUre dina 'ye mere sasura haiM, ye cAcA haiM, mAmA haiM, phUphA haiM,' aisA bolatA rahatA hai | kyA sacamuca meM haiM? kyA koI sasura rahatA hai hamezA ke lie? kaba taka sasura hai vaha ? jaba taka patnI DAyavaoNrsa na le le, tabhI taka sasura hai / arthAt isa prakAra oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara

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[2.4] mohanIya karma 157 TemparerI eDajasTamenTsa enDa yU Ara prmaanentt| aura TemparerI meM eDajasTamenTa kI prApti ke lie Apa gae isalie Apa bhI TemparerI ho ge| aura phira DaoNkTara se kahate ho, 'sAhaba, mujhe bcaaie|' are bhAI, sAhaba kI bahana mara gaI to vaha tujhe kyA bacAegA! DaoNkTara sAhaba kI bahana nahIM mara jAtI hoMgI? lekina phira bhI yaha gir3agir3AtA hai, 'sAhaba, mujhe bcaaie|' isakA kyA kAraNa hai? usameM bhaya ghusa gayA hai ki aba maiM mara jaauuNgaa| jaisA ve nagInadAsa seTha kahate haiM na, 'maiM presiDenTa hU~,' aisA hI isameM huA hai| isI ko kahate haiM moh| anya koI bhI sattA parAI hai, khuda kI sattA nahIM hai| AtmA kI sattA calI gaI aura usa parAI cIz2a kI sattA A gii| arthAt parasattA meM A gyaa| aura phira parasattA ko khuda kI sattA mAnane lagA ki 'maiM hI kara rahA hU~ yh|' to phira zurU ho gayA tuuphaan| mUla kAraNa hai moha aura mohanIya to maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' vahI moha hai| aura kauna sA moha? yaha ho to sabhI moha khar3e hoMge, varnA agara aisA nahIM hogA to koI bhI moha khar3A nahIM hogaa| mUla kAraNa 'maiM caMdUbhAI,' vahI moha hai| aba isa moha ko agara tor3ane jAe~ to vaha lAkha janmoM meM bhI kaise chUTa pAegA? 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' vaha moha nahIM chUTa sktaa| vahI moha kI jar3a hai| phira moha kA per3a to rahegA hI na! dekho Apa meM jar3a khatma ho gaI to sabakucha sUkhane lagA hai na jhaTapaTa! aura phira kahegA, 'maiM gurujI huuN|' AtmA jAnA nahIM, phira bhI kahatA hai| isakA kAraNa yaha hai ki paTTiyA~ bA~dhI huI haiM arthAt khuda AtmA hai phira bhI bolatA hai kucha alg| praznakartA : AtmA para parateM car3ha gaI haiN| dAdAzrI : parateM car3ha gaI haiM, paTTiyA~, cazme / kAle cazme pahane to kAlA dikhatA hai, pIle pahane to pIlA dikhatA hai| jaise cazme pahane vaisA hI dikhatA hai|

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158 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa do hI haiN| isakA mUla kAraNa moha hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' yahI moha hai| praznakartA : aise tIna zabda haiM - moha, mahAmoha aura vyaamoh| dAdAzrI : vyAmoha arthAt vizeSa moha yAnI ki mUrchita ho jAtA hai| phira use bhAna nahIM rhtaa| vyAmoha meM bhAna nahIM rahatA, moha meM bhAna rahatA hai| praznakartA : aura tIsarA hai mhaamoh| dAdAzrI : mahAmoha meM bhI bhAna rahatA hai use| jo mUrchita kare, vaha moha lekina mohanIya karma kA matalaba kyA hai ki moha karane jaisI cIz2a nahIM hai phira bhI hameM usake prati AkarSaNa hotA hai| cazmoM ke kharAba hone kI vajaha se| dravyakarma cazme jaise haiN| jisake jaise cazme haiM, vaisA hI usakA svruup| aba jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa, ye donoM dravyakarma haiN| ina donoM kI vajaha se mohanIya utpanna huA hai, dikhanA baMda ho gayA hai, anubhava honA baMda ho gayA hai arthAt yahI moha hai| usI meM kucha acchA dikhA to vahIM para cipaka par3atA hai| jaise ki kITa-pataMge haiM na, ve lAiTa para cipaka jAte haiM, usI prakAra yaha bhI hara kisI jagaha para cipaka par3atA hai| yaha mohanIya karma tIsare prakAra kA dravyakarma hai| vaha koI cIz2a dekhate hI kyoM usake prati ekadama se AkarSita ho jAtA hai? vaha isalie kyoMki mohanIya karma hai| bAz2Ara meM jAe to paTAkhe lie bagaira nahIM rhtaa| nahIM gayA hotA to kucha bhI nahIM letaa| nahIM dekhatA to kucha bhI nahIM thaa| dekhate hI moha utpanna ho jAe, vaha mohanIya karma hai| mUrchita ho jAtA hai, khuda apane Apa ko bhUla jAtA hai| 'mere pAsa kyA suvidhA hai yA phira yaha udhAra ho gayA hai yA nahIM,' vaha bhI bhUla jAtA hai| aise jo mUrchita ho jAtA hai, vaha dravyakarma kI vajaha se hai| dravyakarma khatma ho jAe~, to mUrchA nahIM hogii|

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[2.4] mohanIya karma 159 ye jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa, ina do AvaraNoM kI vajaha se iMsAna na jAne kaisI-kaisI pahAr3iyoM para car3heMge aura kaise-kaise gaDDhoM meM gireMge, yahI mohanIya! ina donoM kA pariNAma hai mohniiy| isIlie moha hai na! nahIM to becAre ko kahIM moha hotA hogA! aMdhe iMsAna ko ulTA dikhatA hai, isameM usakA kyA doSa! __ ve to vinAzI sukha haiM jabaki yaha to avinAzI sukha hai| moha kitane prakAra ke haiM? aneka prakAra ke haiM na? aura usameM bhI 'maiM anaMta sukha kA dhAma hU~' aisA kahatA hai, 'mujhe anya kisI moha kI z2arUrata nahIM hai|' yaha to pha~sa gayA hai| usameM se nikala jAnA hai ab| isIlie hama bolate haiM ki 'mohanIya aneka prakAra kI hone se, unake sAmane maiM anaMta sukha kA dhAma huuN|' bhare hue bhArI mohanIya karma praznakartA : to ye jo ATha karma haiM, inameM se kauna sA karma saba se kaThina aura bAdhaka hai? dAdAzrI : mohanIya krm| aura kyA? praznakartA : mohanIya karma se mukta honA hai, phira bhI apane paribala hI aise haiM ki mohadazA meM se z2arA sA bhI mukta nahIM ho skte| dAdAzrI : mohanIya se koI chUTa hI nahIM sakatA na! jJAnIpuruSa kI kRpA hue binA mohanIya nahIM chUTa sktaa| phira cAhe yahA~ gire yA kahIM bhI gire, samudra meM gire yA kucha bhI kare lekina kRpA ke binA mohanIya nahIM chUTa sktaa| sirpha mohanIya hI aisA hai jo kRpA se chUTa sakatA hai| bAkI kA sabakucha apane Apa thor3A bahuta chor3A jA sakatA hai lekina mohanIya nahIM chuutttaa| mohanIya arthAt mUrchA, mUrchita ho gayA hai| use to jaba jJAnIpuruSa bhAna meM le Ae~, tabhI na! jJAnI ke binA to koI bhI kAma nahIM ho sktaa| vaha hai anaMta karmoM meM, aphasara ke rUpa meM isalie zrImad rAjacaMdra ne kahA hai na

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160 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) "karma anaMta prakAra nA, temAM mukhye ATha, temAM mukhye mohanIya, haNAya te kahuM pATha" 'karma anaMta prakAra ke haiM; unameM se mukhya haiM ATha unameM mukhya mohanIya; jisase naSTa hoM, batAU~ vaha paatth|' karma anaMta prakAra ke hote haiN| unheM taratIba se rakhakara vibhAjita kara diyA, jinakA ina ATha vibhAgoM meM samAveza hotA hai| utanA karane ke bAda bhI Akhira meM ATha vibhAga bne| ATha se kama nahIM ho sakeMge, aisA lagA isalie ATha rahane die| kama se kama vibhAjana kara die| inameM se ina saba kA mukhya aphasara kauna hai? rAjA kauna hai? to vaha hai, mohniiy| jisake AdhAra para saba khar3A ho gayA hai| ATha karma utpanna kisa AdhAra para hae? isakI jar3a kyA hai? to vaha hai, moh| aba yaha moha, vaha mUla meM se khatma ho jAe, usake lie pATha batA rahA hU~ tujhe, kahate haiN| jisase mohanIya kA nAza ho jAe, vaha pATha batAtA huuN| jar3a hai isameM, vaha jar3a yadi naSTa ho jAe to sabakucha naSTa ho jaaegaa| "karma mohanIya bheda be, darzana cAritra nAma, haNe bodha vItarAgatA, acUka upAya aam|" "karma mohanIya ke bheda do, darzana cAritra haiM nAma, naSTa (hare) kare bodha vItarAgatA, acUka upAya aisaa|" zrImad rAjacaMdra mohanIya karma ke do bheda haiN| eka darzana mohanIya aura dUsarA cAritra mohniiy| kramika mArga meM darzana mohanIya jJAna se jAtA hai, vaha bodha se jAtA hai aura akrama meM bheda vijJAna se jAtA hai| darzana mohanIya gayA to aba bacA kyA? to vaha hai cAritra mohniiy| cAritra mohanIya DiscArja moha hai, pariNAmI moh| kaoNz2ez2a moha aura pariNAmI moh| kaoNz2ez2a moha calA gayA hai| aba bhale hI yaha moha Apako acchA nahIM lagatA phira bhI pariNAma to Ae bagaira rahegA nhiiN| pahale ke kaoNz2ez2a kA riekzana hai arthAt yaha cAritra moha hai| aba kramika mArga meM kaoNz2ez2a moha ko naSTa karatA hai bodha jabaki yahA~ para

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[2.4] mohanIya karma 161 use naSTa karatA hai, bhedvijnyaan| aura cAritra moha ko naSTa karatI hai viitraagtaa| kramika meM agara kisI ke gAlI dene para vaha usa para rAga-dveSa nahIM kare, to vaha khuda kA cAritra mohanIya naSTa karatA hai| apane yahA~ para ArtadhyAnaraudradhyAna baMda ho jAte haiM isalie vItarAgatA utpanna ho jAtI hai| pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karatA hai aura samabhAva se nikAla kara detA hai| isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda moha to pUrA hI calA gayA hai aapkaa| moha nAma mAtra ko bhI nahIM rhaa| sirpha kitanA rahA hai? vartana moha / vyavahAra meM yoM kasI ko aisA dikhatA hai ki 'ise kitanA moha hai!' vartana ApakA pUrA hI mohavAlA hotA hai| vartana moha kahate haiM use| aisA vartana moha to mujhe bhI hai| maiM yaha saba khAne nahIM baiThatA? agara bhAe to kar3hI jyAdA nahIM letA? aisA jo vartana moha hai, vaha vAstavika moha nahIM hai| yaha nikAlI moha hai| jAtA huA moha, vaha apane ghara jA rahA hai| hameM kahakara jAtA hai ki 'aba maiM jA rahA huuN|' aura vAstavika moha to vaha hai ki jisase bIja Dalate haiN| isI se pUrA jagat cala rahA hai| yaha moha eka ghaMTe meM hI khatma ho jAtA hai saaraa| sarvAMza naSTa ho jAtA hai moh| moha kA nAza ho jAegA, tabhI yaha saba jAegA na? vaha moha bhI dravyakarma hai| hamane sabakucha khatma kara diyA, ekadama se| pUre jainadharma kA, tamAma dharmoM kA tatva de diyA hai sArA aura vaha bhI kriyAkArI, apane Apa hI kAma karatA rahatA hai aura apane Apa hI mokSa meM le jAtA hai| jaba taka mokSa meM nahIM le jAe, taba taka chor3atA nahIM hai| aisA hai yaha to| bheda, darzanAvaraNa aura darzana mohanIya ke bIca AtmA prApta hone se mohanIya karma khatma ho gyaa| mohanIya kaba taka hai? 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' tabhI tk| usake bAda phira 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ho gayA to phira mohanIya nahIM hai| zuddhAtmA bhI lakSa (jAgRti) ke rUpa meM rahanA caahie| ise sirpha bolate rahane se kucha nahIM bdlegaa| mohanIya pUrA calA gayA hai, mohanIya hI aMtarAya kA kAraNa hai kyoMki mohanIya kA phala hai aMtarAya lekina bhagavAna ne donoM ko alaga batAyA haiN| mohanIya aura aMtarAya

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162 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ko pahacAnane ke lie| yAnI ki donoM cale ge| mohanIya kisakA phala hai? darzanAvaraNa kA phala hai| aba darzanAvaraNa khatma ho jAe to usake bAda ye cAroM hI khatma ho jaaeNge| apanA darzanAvaraNa khatma ho cukA hai| praznakartA : darzanAvaraNa ko alaga kiyA aura darzana mohanIya ko alaga kiyaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, moha arthAt kyA? adrshn| jo adarzana hai vaha nahIM dikhatA aura yaha jo darzana hai, vaha dikhAI detA hai| isI ko darzanAvaraNa khatma honA kahate haiN| praznakartA : darzanAvaraNIya aura darzana mohanIya meM kyA bheda hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AvaraNa, vaha to DhakI huI cIz2a hai| pUrA hI darzana DhakA huA hai| jJAna DhakA huA hai| jisa hada taka khula gayA hai, usa hada taka hI khulA hai, bAkI sArA DhakA huA hI hai| mohanIya ne use DhakA hai| ataH jo bhAva honA cAhie, vaha nahIM ho paataa| mohabhAva hotA hai, sammohana hotA hai| DhakA huA hone kI vajaha se| khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM ho pAtA isalie sammohana hotA hai| ata: vaha mohanIya karma hai aura vaha mohanIya aMtarAya DAlatA hai| vaha khuda AtmA se alaga ho gayA, aMtara pdd'aa| tabhI se kaho na, sAre aMtarAya haiM! khuda ke svarUpa ke aMtarAya par3e, tabhI se sAre aMtarAya par3ate hI jAte haiN| aba vaha jo darzana mohanIya hai, vaha to sthUla cIz2a hai| darzana mohanIya ko mithyAtva kahate haiN| mohanIya, aMtarAya, jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa ye cAra prakAra kI prabalatA, isI ko mithyAtva kahate haiN| mithyAtva se Age bar3he to tIna pIsez2a ho jAte haiN| samakita prApta hone se pahale Age bar3he to usake phala svarUpa, tIna pIsez2a ho jAte haiN| usameM se mithyAtva moha banatA hai, mizramoha banatA hai aura samyaktva moha banatA hai| isa taraha mohanIya ke tIna Tukar3e ho jAte haiN| aba mithyAtva mohanIya jaba maMda ho jAtA hai, taba mizra mohanIya meM AtA hai| yaha bhI saca hai aura vaha bhI saca hai| mokSa meM jAne kA rAstA, ye saba bhagavAna ke maMdira vagairaha jo mArga haiM na, vaha bhI saca hai

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[2.4] mohanIya karma 163 aura yaha saMsAra bhI saca hai| zAstra bhI saca haiM aura apanA ghara, bIvI-bacce, vyApAra bhI saca haiN| donoM jagaha para moha ke prinnaam| vahA~ jAe taba vahA~ ke moha meM rahatA hai aura yahA~ para Ae taba yahA~ ke moha meM rahatA hai| eka tarapha ke moha meM ho to mithyAtva moha kahalAtA hai| jabaki ye loga donoM moha meM rahate haiN| maMdira meM jAe to vahA~ para utane samaya taka AnaMda meM rahatA hai aura upAzraya meM jAe to vahA~ para jitanI vANI sunane ko milatI hai, utane samaya uThane kA mana nahIM karatA aura kAma-dhaMdhe para jAe to vahA~ para bhI moha utpanna hotA hai| yaha mizra mohanIya, darzana mohanIya kahalAtA hai| mithyAtva mohanIya aura mizra mohanIya ke jAne ke bAda use samakita hotA hai| jaba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, cAroM hI cale jAte haiM, taba use samakita hotA hai| upazama smkit| aura phira upazama samakita kA matalaba ardhapudgala parAvartana kAla (brahmAMDa ke sAre pudgaloM ko sparza karake, bhogakara khatma karane meM jo samaya (kAla) vyatIta hotA hai, usase AdhA kAla) taka bhaTakatA rahatA hai| usake bAda bahuta samaya bIta jAne para kSayopakSama meM AtA hai| yaha upazama ho gayA hai, usake kSayopakSama kA kSAyaka hote-hote to ardha pudgala parAvartana arthAt to bahuta kAla kI bhaTakana ho jAtI hai| kSAyaka kaba hotA hai ki jaba samyaktva mohanIya jAe tb| samyaktva mohanIya ko to, hiMdustAna meM eka bhI vyakti aisA nahIM hai ki jise samyaktva mohanIya ho| agara vaha ho jAe taba to bahuta acchA kAma ho jaataa| samyaktva mohanIya arthAt anya koI cIz2a yAda nahIM aatii| 'AtmA kaisA hogA? AtmA kyA hogA? kisa taraha se jAnA jA sakatA hai? kisa taraha se prApti ho sakatI hai?' sArA moha AtmA jAnane ke lie hii| aise kauna haiM yahA~ para? pUre dina yahI! anya koI pariNAma hI nhiiN| niraMtara usI meN| AtmA kaisA hogA aura kaisA nahIM? use kaise jAnA jA sakatA hai vagairaha isI soca meM rahanevAle kitane loga hoMge? logoM ko to eka ghaMTe bhI nahIM rhtaa| jabaki yaha to niraMtara rahatA hai, nirNtr| aura jise aisA nakkI ho gayA ki AtmA 'yahI' hai aura zaMkA utpanna nahIM huI to samyaktva moha naSTa ho jAtA hai, use kSAyaka samakita ho jAtA hai|

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164 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) apanA yaha samyaktva moha calA gayA hai| yaha AtmA hai, aisA taya ho jAtA hai, niHzaMka bhAva se| bilkula bhI zaMkA nahIM rhtii| 'dAdAjI jo batA rahe haiM, vahI AtmA hai| apanA AtmA prakaTa ho gayA hai| usake bAda zaMkA kA koI sthAna nahIM rhtaa| varnA isa jagat meM kisI kA bhI saMdeha gayA nahIM hai| aba to saMdeha gayA, zaMkA gaI, sabakucha gayA aura AtmA hAz2ira ho gyaa| phira aura kyA cAhie? prakaTa caitanya hAz2ira ho gyaa| hama yAda na kareM, phira bhI apane Apa A jAtA hai| phira aura kyA cAhie? jisa dina jJAna milatA hai, usa pahalI rAta kA AnaMda abhI bhI yAda AtA hai na! usa samaya DiscArja turaMta nahIM nikalate na? phira DiscArja kA udaya AyA yA DiscArja huA taba phira vaha vApasa ulajhane lagatA hai| vaha pada to dekhA hai na! arthAt pahale ghaMTe meM, jItendriya jina bana gyaa| usake bAda ke eka ghaMTe meM vaha jita moha jina bana jAtA hai| jaba taka vaha moha kSaya nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka yaha jita moha jin| usake bAda kSINa moha jin| jahA~ para nakada hai, jahA~ para khuda hI hAz2ira ho jAtA hai, AtmA khuda hI hAz2ira ho jAtA hai| isa jagat meM koI aisI cIz2a nahIM hai ki jo niraMtara hAz2ira raha ske| tIrthaMkaroM ne pUre pramANa die haiM na? Apako anubhava hotA hai na maiM kaha rahA hU~ usa anusAra? jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa kaisA paddhatipUrvaka, kramapUrvaka kahA hai| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? sabhI kA mUla kAraNa, AThoM karmoM kA mUla kAraNa darzanAvaraNa hai| pahale isa mUla kAraNa kA chedana hotA hai| usase ApakA pUrA hI darzanAvaraNa chUTa (calA) gyaa| praznakartA : darzana mohanIya pahale TUTA yA darzanAvaraNa pahale TUTA? dAdAzrI : vaha moha aura vaha AvaraNa, donoM sAtha meM hI TUTate haiM yAnI ki pahale yA bAda meM nahIM, donoM sAtha meM hI phrekcara hote haiN| eTa e TAima sArA hI phrekcara ho jAtA hai, eka ghaMTe meN|

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[2.4] mohanIya karma 165 darzanAvaraNa pUrA TUTa gayA lekina aba kyA hotA hai? pahalevAle jo karma Ate haiM na, ve parezAna karate haiM use| isa darzana kA lAbha nahIM lene dete| varnA merI taraha Apa bhI dekhakara bolate lekina ye (AvaraNa) lAbha nahIM lene dete| ye saba ulajhA dete haiN| praznakartA : abhI bhI yaha mAla bahuta bharA huA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : bharA huA hI hai na, yaha kisa taraha kA hai ki kisI ko jJAna diyA jAe aura agara use kahA jAe ki 'tU jJAna meM rahanA' taba kahatA hai, 'hA~ kala se jJAna meM rahU~gA' aura phira bAhara jAkara haz2AroM logoM se kucha na kucha pUchane ke lie bhejeM to phira kitanA jJAna meM rahegA? ina saba ko bhejate raheM ki 'jAo aisA pUchakara Ao, vaisA pUchakara Ao, phalAnA pUchakara Ao,' to phira kitane samaya taka rahegA? isI taraha ye sAre saMyoga Apako parezAna (ulajhAte) karate haiN| hamAre saMyoga bahata nahIM haiM aura hamAre sabhI saMyoga jJeya svarUpa se haiN| Apa meM bhI ve jJeya svarUpa se hI haiM lekina Apako jJeya rahane hI nahIM dete na, ye sabhI (karma) bArI-bArI se Ate haiM islie| kyoMki akrama hai na! kramika hotA taba to ye dikhate hI nhiiN| kramika arthAt sArA mAla khapA cuke hote haiN| karor3oM-karor3oM janmoM meM bhI yaha mAla nahIM khapa sakatA, isakA ThikAnA nahIM par3a sktaa| kaba khapa sakegA yahA~ para mAla? kaba ye loga ghara chor3eMge aura vahA~ para dIkSA leMge aura kaba ThikAnA par3egA? 'nahIMnahIM, guru jI, yaha merA kAma nahIM hai| merI paristhiti aisI nahIM hai ki maiM ghara chor3a skuuN|' to phira kyA hogA? aisA kahate hI usane dIkSA ke lie aMtarAya bA~dha lie| jJAnAMtarAya, darzanAvaraNa bar3ha gyaa| yAnI ki yaha sArA jokhima hai| ___ yaha to akrama jJAna kI balihArI hai ki aisA kucha udaya AyA hai| aisI adbhuta bAta to sunI hI nahIM hogI na! darzanAvaraNa kA eka aMza bhI kama honA bahuta muzkila hai| isa kAla meM balki bar3hatA hI rahatA hai, vahA~ para kama kaise ho sakatA hai? do pratizata kama hotA hai aura cAlIsa pratizata utpanna hotA hai|

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166 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) akrama meM cArja karma kitanA? praznakartA : dravyakarma baMdhana kA saba se bar3A kAraNa mohanIya hai? dAdAzrI : mohanIya hI hai, aura kyA? dravyakarma kA bA~dhanevAlA ApakA vaha moha calA gyaa| aba ApameM kauna sA moha bacA hai? DiscArja moh| sAr3iyA~ pahanate ho lekina mana meM aba bhAva nahIM hai| yaha sArA DiscArja moha bacA hai aura pUrI duniyA ko nayA moha baMdhatA rahatA hai, rUTa kaoNz2a! ApakA rUTa kaoNz2a tor3a diyA hai| aba ApakA DiscArja moha bacA hai, cArja moha calA gayA hai| kramika mArga meM cArja moha aura DiscArja moha donoM hI sAtha meM calate haiN| praznakartA : to phira hamameM aba nayA dravyakarma utpanna nahIM hogA? dAdAzrI : hogA, lekina vaha kitanA? hamArI AjJA pAlana karoge utanA, bAkI kucha nhiiN| eka-do janma hoMge aura ve bhI puNya ke| aisI saba muzkileM nahIM hoNgii| AjJA pAlana se to z2abaradasta, saba se bar3A puNya baMdhatA hai| usase sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa hI baiThe rahane ko milegA!

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 167 [2.5] aMtarAya karma cIjeM haiM phira bhI nahIM bhogI jA sakeM, vaha aMtarAya cauthA hai aMtarAya krm| aMtarAya arthAt kyA ki koI cIz2a Apake pAsa hai phira bhI Apako usakA upayoga karane meM parezAnI AtI hai| hA~, yAnI kiye saba cIjeM pAsa meM haiM, isake bAvajUda bhI hama usakA koI lAbha nahIM le skte| abhI khAnA khAne baiThane lageM, thAlI rakhI ho, khAne kI taiyArI ho, thAlI meM hAtha DAlane jA rahe hoM, tabhI kamiznara A jAte haiM, 'caMdUbhAI uTha jAo, uTha jAo abhI eka minaTa meM, Apa jaldI uTha jaao|' Apa kahate ho ki 'z2arA khAnA khAkara uThU to?' 'nahIM, nahIM, eka minaTa bhI nahIM, khar3e ho jaao|' ise aMtarAya karma kahate haiN| thAlI thI, phira bhI khA nahIM paae| isI prakAra aMdara jJAna hai, darzana hai, zakti hai, nirbhayatA hai, sabhI guNa haiM phira bhI unheM bhoga nahIM pAte kyoMki aMtarAya bA~dhe hue haiM, aisI dIvAreM banAI haiN| hamane jAna-bUjhakara banAI haiM aura aba kahate haiM ki 'maiM pha~sa gyaa|' aise haiM aMtarAya krm| aise DAle aMtarAya praznakartA : aMtarAya karma kyA haiM? vaha mujhe z2arA z2yAdA samajhanA hai| dAdAzrI : aMtarAya karma to, aisA hai na ki agara Apa kaho ki mujhe satsaMga meM Ane kI icchA nahIM hai to phira vahA~ para aMtarAya DAle aura agara Apa kaho ki merI icchA hai, to aMtarAya chUTa jaaeNge| khuda ne hI DAle hue haiM aNtraay| aMtarAya arthAt rukaavtt| aMtarAya karma kyA hai? ApakA beTA brAhmaNoM ko bhojana karavA rahA ho, taba

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168 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) agara Apa usase kaho ki 'isase kyA phAyadA? ina logoM ko kyoM bhojana karavA rahA hai? isake bajAya ina dAdA ke mahAtmAoM ko khilA na!' Apane udhara puNya bA~dhA lekina yahA~ bahuta bar3A aMtarAya ddaalaa| Apa thAlI lagAkara khAnA khAne baiThoge, phira bhI khAnA nahIM khA pAoge! hAtha meM AyA huA bhI calA jaaegaa| yaha hai aMtarAya! Apane jitane atarAya DAle hue haiM, utane hI Apake aMtarAya haiM! logoM ko jo prApta ho rahA ho, usameM Apa buddhi se rukAvaTa DAlate ho, ki isameM dene jaisA kyA hai? koI de rahA ho to hameM bolanA nahIM caahie| bolanA to buddhi kI aklamaMdI hai| mAra DAlatI hai hmeN| koI de rahA ho taba Apa kyoM bolate ho? maiMne buddhi se aisA hI saba kiyA thaa| usase aMtarAya hI Dala rahe the saare| sAmane cIz2a ho phira bhI khAne nahIM de, bhoga hai phira bhI bhogane na de, ve sabhI aMtarAya haiN| aise bahuta se aMtarAya haiN| lAbhAMtarAya, bhogAMtarAya, upabhoga aMtarAya, dAnAMtarAya, vIryAMtarAya, aise sabhI taraha-taraha ke aMtarAya DAle haiM manuSya ne| khuda paramAtmA hone ke bAvajUda bhI jAnavara jaise duHkha uThA rahA hai| hai paramAtmA, usameM do mata nahIM haiN| merI dRSTi meM to sabhI dikhate haiM na, prmaatmaa| hai paramAtmA, lekina aba kyA ho sakatA hai? isIlie yaha jJAna detA hU~ ki jo jakar3A huA hai, jo pha~sA huA hai, jo baMdhana meM A gayA hai, usakI mukti ho jaae| ye sAre aMtarAya khuda ke hI DAle hue haiM pichale janma meN| pichale janma meM Ama mileM na, to unake lie kahA ho ki 'inameM kyA khAne jaisA hai? yaha koI khAne jaisI cIz2a nahIM hai! vagairaha vgairh|' aisA saba kiyA hotA hai isalie usa janma meM to ThIka hai lekina isa janma meM bhI nahIM mila pAte ! mila nahIM pAte aura isa janma meM logoM ke kahane se hameM patA calA ki Ama bahuta acchI cIz2a hai, viTAminavAlA hai| isake bAda hama DhU~Dhate haiM lekina milatA nahIM hai kyoMki use tarachor3a (tiraskAra sahita dutakAranA) mArI thii| yAnI ki isa taraha aMtarAya DAle hue hote haiN| aMtarAya DAlate hI karo pratikramaNa aba koI vyakti brAhmaNa ko dAna meM sau rUpaye kA kapar3A de rahA

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 169 ho aura Apa kaho ki, 'bhAI, yaha vApasa vahA~ beca khAegA' to vaha Apane aMtarAya ddaalaa| vaha use de rahA thA, usameM Apane rukAvaTa DAlI ataH usake phala svarUpa Apako aMtarAya karma bhoganA pdd'egaa| ise aMtarAya kahA jAtA hai ki 'bhAI, agara koI kisI ke lie kucha kara rahA hai to Apa kyoM aMtarAya DAla rahe ho?' vaha buddhi kA upayoga karatA hai ki 'yaha saba galata rAste para jA rahA hai|' Apako vaha dekhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| denevAlA yaha hai aura vaha hai lenevaalaa| beTA do bAra kapar3e badalatA ho, taba agara hama use kaheM ki 'kyoM bekAra meM paise bigAr3a rahA hai, sabhI kapar3oM ko khatma kara detA hai, bigAr3a detA hai' aisA kahakara usameM aMtarAya ddaalaa| apane ko nahIM milegA, kisI ke bIca meM rukAvaTa mata ddaalnaa| praznakartA : lekina apane kitane hI aise pharz2a A jAte haiM to taba to thor3A aMtarAya DAlanA par3atA hai na! parivAra ke bujurga haiM, isalie kaI bAra to Avazyaka rUpa se bolanA hI par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : usakA bhI phala to avazya milegaa| nahIM to phira hameM use dho denA caahie| karma karo lekina use dho denA caahie| dhone kA hathiyAra hai hI na / gharavAloM ko nahIM karanA par3atA sabakucha? lekina yaha jJAna lene ke bAda, pratikramaNa kA hathiyAra diyA hai na! usa hathiyAravAle dho dete haiM jaldI se| ___ hameM z2arUrata kI cIz2a milatI hI nahIM aura apanA icchita nahIM ho pAtA to ve saba aMtarAya karma haiN| aMtarAya arthAt bahuta par3he likhe hoM lekina ve jahA~ bhI jAe~, vahA~ para naukarI kA ThikAnA nahIM par3atA aura jisake aMtarAya TUTa cuke hoM, vaha to yahA~ se bAhara gayA ki turaMta hI yoM araz2I dete hI naukarI mila jAtI aMtarAya karma kyA kAma karatA hogA? kaI loga sAdhana saMpanna hote haiN| unhoMne apane ghara khAne para bulAyA ho, unake ghara khAnA khAne jAe~ aura vaha

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170 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hamAre sAtha khAnA khAne baiThe hoM to hamAre lie zrIkhaMDa-pUr3I parosate haiM jabaki vaha khuda roTI lekara baiThatA hai| to hama samajha nahIM jAe~ge ki kucha aMtarAya haiM isake? roTI aura dahI lekara baiThA hotA hai| 'maz2adUroM jaisA khAnA lekara baiThA hai aura hameM aisA khilA rahA hai?' kucha na kucha aMtarAya hoMge na? kyA aMtarAya? DaoNkTara ne kahA hotA hai, 'tU khAegA to mara jAegA' aMtarAya haiM becAre ke! khAne meM aMtarAya, pIne meM aMtarAya, sabhI cIjoM meM aMtarAya haiM abhI to| aisA nahIM hotA kyA? aisA dekhA hai? zrIkhaMDa vagairaha sabhI kucha hai lekina khAne nahIM dete| aMtarAya DAle hue haiM isalie cIz2a hote hue bhI khAne nahIM dete| bhoga hai phira bhI bhogane na deM, ve sabhI aMtarAya haiN| aise bahuta sAre aMtarAya haiN| AvaraNa aura aMtarAya praznakartA : aise do zabda Ae haiM, AvaraNa aura aNtraay| to AvaraNa arthAt phiz2ikala aura aMtarAya arthAt menTala? dAdAzrI : AvaraNa sUkSma cIz2a hai, aMtarAya itanA adhika sUkSma nahIM hai| abhI koI garIba Ae aura koI pA~ca rUpae kA anAja dene lage yA aisA aura kucha dene lage to Apa kahate ho ki 'are, ise kyoM de rahe ho?' agara Apa aisA kahate ho to Apako aMtarAya karma baMdhatA hai| Apa aisA jAnate ho ki galata rAste para jA rahe haiM ye loga, phira yaha bhI jAnate ho ki ye anAja becakara zarAba pIte haiM, isake bAvajUda bhI agara Apa aisA kahate ho to bhI Apako aMtarAya pdd'egaa| vaha de rahA thA to usameM kyoM rukAvaTa DAlI? yaha buddhi kI dakhalaMdAjI hai na? to isa prakAra aMtarAya karma nahIM DAlane caahie| bahuta taraha ke aMtarAya karma bA~dhate haiM log| khAne ke aMtarAya par3ate haiM isase eka vyakti to apanI vAipha se kaha rahA thA, una dinoM kaMTrola (rezaniMga) thA, cAvala-vAvala vagairaha kama milate the kaMTrola se aura usakI vAipha itane sAre cAvala letI thI thAlI meN| 'aba vaha becArI thor3I moTI hai to, cAvala khAne de na becArI ko! use roTI kama bhAtI hai|' usakA pati roz2a kica-kica karatA thaa| to eka dina unakI patnI mujha se kahatI hai,

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 171 'roz2a jaba khAtI hU~ na, to caina se khAne nahIM dete|' 'are bhAI, kisa taraha ke ho? ye to aMtarAya karma kahalAte haiN| Apako cAvala nahIM mileNge| kyoM aisA karate ho? cupacApa baiTho na!' use itanI samajha nahIM hai na, vaha to samajhatA hai ki 'aisA kareMge to acchA ho jaaegaa|' mAna lo ki kabhI aisA ho bhI jAe, dUsare dina kucha kama khAe lekina rukAvaTa to Apako AegI na! praznakartA : lekina aisA to patA hI nahIM thaa| aisI to bahuta rukAvaTeM DAlate haiM hm| Aja pahalI bAra jaanaa| dAdAzrI : yaha sirpha Apako hI patA nahIM hai aisA nahIM hai, ina sabhI ko, kisI ko bhI patA nahIM hai| ina saba zAstroM meM jo zabda likhe hue haiM inakA sahI artha sirpha jJAnIpuruSa hI jAnate haiM, bAkI saba to sirpha bAteM karate haiM utanA hI hai ! mere aMtarAya karma haiM, mere aMtarAya karma haiM lekina ve aMtarAya kyA haiM? vhaoNTa iz2a iTa? Apa jAnate nahIM ho| ye to moTI-moTI, bar3I-bar3I bAteM haiM sirph| zAstroM meM moTe-moTe zabda Ate haiM lekina agara Apa unase pUcho ki 'yaha hai kyA? mujhe samajhA dIjie, choTA baccA bhI samajha jAe usa tarIke se|' taba ve kahate haiM, 'nahIM, vaha nahIM aataa|' khuda samajheMge taba samajhA sakeMge na! aura maiM to bacce se bhI kahatA hU~ ki 'are, itanA sA dene meM kyoM rukAvaTa DAla rahA hai, tujhe nahIM milegaa|' yaha aMtarAya karma hai! isI ko kahate haiM vighnkrm| yadi vighna DAlA to vahI vighna khuda ko aaegaa| ise vighnakarma kahate haiN| praznakartA : arthAt aise saMyoga, udAharaNa ke taura para DAibiTIz2a hone ke bAvajUda bhI itanA sArA cAvala le le to hameM jJAtA-dRSTA banakara dekhate rahanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : to aura kyA kara sakate ho? nahIM kahoge to bhI kyA hogA? vaha kucha bhI kare, ghI kI pUrI kaTorI DAlakara khAe, to bhI Apako kyA pharka par3egA? vaha to ApakI hAz2irI meM khAtI hai isalie Apako duHkha hotA hai na! hAz2ira hote hue bhI gairahAz2ira mAnanA apane Apa ko| yaha maiM nahIM hU~, maiM nahIM hU~, aisA maannaa| hama nahIM hote to bhI aisA hI karatI na?

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172 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hama haiM usI kA z2ahara hai na yaha to, usa z2ahara ko khatma kara do| dekhA usI kA yaha z2ahara hai na! praznakartA : Aja yaha jo samajhAyA hai, usase to kaIyoM ke solyuzana nikala jaaeNge| sabhI aMtarAya hI DAlate rahate haiN| hameM agara aisA dikhe ki isase inakA ahita ho rahA hai to phira usa cIz2a ke lie to hameM sAmanevAle ko manA kara denA cAhie na ! dAdAzrI : khAne-pIne se jo ahita hotA hai usake lie? praznakartA : khAne-pIne se, koI cIz2a khAne se...... dAdAzrI : hameM manA karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hameM use yaha samajhAne kI z2arUrata hai ki 'bhAI, aisA karane se zarIra ko aisA nukasAna hotA hai vagairaha vgairh|' 'cala yaha nahIM khAnA hai, aisA pulisa ekzana nahIM lenA hai| vistAra se samajhAkara kahanA ki 'isakA phala aisA aaegaa| isase kyA phAyadA milegA?' praznakartA : aise bahuta sAre saMyoga Ate haiM, kadama-kadama para hotA hai| dAdAzrI : vahI batAyA hai na yh| aisA sAmAnya jJAna bAhara nahIM miltaa| isalie to maiM batA rahA hU~ na ! sabhI loga milakara kucha bAtacIta karo to ye sAmAnya jJAna kI bAteM nikleNgii| Apane aMtarAya bolA, usa para se yaha bAta nikalI! yAnI ki acchA hai, pUcho, kucha bAta-cIta kro| praznakartA : aba ye jo aMtarAya haiM, kyA inameM se kucha paoNz2iTiva aMtarAya hote haiM aura kucha negeTiva hote haiM? khAne meM usane ThIka mAtrA meM liyA aura hama agara kaheM ki tU z2arA z2yAdA le, Agraha kareM, usa para dabAva DAleM to vaha bhI aMtarAya hai kyA? dAdAzrI : usase aMtarAya ttuuttaa| khAnA khAte huai uThA diyA to aMtarAya ddaalaa| agara maiM logoM se kahU~ ki 'bhikhAriyoM ko kucha nahIM denA

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma caahie|' to phira maiM de hI nahIM pAU~gA / denA ho phira bhI nahIM de pAU~gA / kisI ko rokA, vahI aMtarAya hai / kisI ko khAte-khAte uThA diyA, 'uTho, tuma dUsarI jAti ke loga yahA~ para kyoM Ae ho !' to bahuta bar3A aMtarAya, z2abaradasta! dUsarI jAti ke hote the na to purAne z2amAne meM loga unheM uThA dete the| maiMne dekhA hai yaha saba / ina logoM ne aMtarAya DAlane meM kucha bAkI rakhA hai?! aura dekho kaise duHkhI hue haiM / du:khI hue haiM? aMtarAya ! khuda hI rukAvaTa DAlate haiM jAna-bUjhakara / aqla ke ahaMkAra se par3eM aMtarAya praznakartA : apane kheta meM ugI huI phasala ko koI jAnavara aMdara ghusakara khA rahA ho aura hama use hA~kakara bAhara nikAleM to use aMtarAya DAlanA kahA jAegA? 173 dAdAzrI : apane kheta meM koI jAnavara ghusa jAe to use hA~kakara nikAlane ko aMtarAya karma nahIM kahate / vaha nahIM jA rahA ho to paira para docAra bAra lakar3I mArakara bhI use nikAla denA / peTa para nahIM mAranA / peTa para yA sira para nahIM mAranA / agara phasala kI z2arUrata hai to, z2arUrata nahIM ho to use sammAna se rakhanA / lekina isase aMtarAya karma nahIM bNdheNge| aMtarAya karma alaga cIz2a hai / ghabarAne kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| aMtarAya kA matalaba kyA hai? to vaha yaha hai ki ye bhAI dAna de rahe the taba agara maiM kahU~ ki 'z2arA dekho to sahI ki sAmanevAlA isa dAna kA adhikArI hai yA nhiiN| aise hI de doge to baMdhana meM par3oge / ' aba usa becAre ko milanevAlA hai, vaha duHkhI hai, use kucha mila rahA hai, yaha de rahA hai, usameM maiM apanI aqla lagAne jAtA huuN| praznakartA : aMtarAya DAlatA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, agara vaha aMtarAya DAla rahA hotA to sAvadhAna ho jaataa| lekina vaha aqla lagAtA hai ki 'dekho maiM kaisA samajhA detA huuN| maiM aqlavAlA hU~ aura vaha beaqla hai / ' arthAt use aqla kA ahaMkAra hai|

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174 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) usase aMtarAya karma Dalate haiM kyoMki use jo yaha lAbha honevAlA thA na, to lAbha meM aMtarAya aaegaa| aura phira yahA~ para kahatA hai 'maiM koI bhI vyApAra karU~ lekina calatA hI nahIM hai, lAbha hI nahIM miltaa|' are bhAI aMtarAya karma lekara AyA hai, to phira kaise lAbha milegA! jahA~ jAe vahA~ aMtarAya, jahA~ jAe vahA~ aNtraay| logoM ne aise aMtarAya DAle hoMge yA nahIM? jahA~ gayA vahA~ / akla kA bAradAna hai na! koI de rahA ho to, usameM yaha bIca meM par3atA hai| 'are bhAI, tujhe vaha saba dekhane kI z2arUrata kahA~ hai|' vaha de rahA hai, usameM hAtha nahIM DAlanA caahie| lekina vaha aqlavAlA use salAha detA hai, 'tujha meM akla nahIM hai, aisA to kahIM diyA jAtA hogA'? isa taraha aMtarAya ddaale| usI ke aMtarAya haiM sabhI logoM ko kyoMki AtmA hai| bhale hI prakRtimaya hai| prakRti bhale hI rahI lekina jisane aMtarAya nahIM DAle haiM na, use to jisa cIz2a kI icchA hotI hai, vaha sAmane A jAtI hai| jabaki isane to khuda ne udhAra diyA ho, usane dasa haz2Ara udhAra die hoM, to jaba icchA hotI hai taba vApasa mila jAte haiM arthAt udhAra die hue bhI vApasa A jAte haiM apane ghr| jaba icchA hotI hai na ki 'aba yaha saba baMda kara denA hai,' to rupaye vApasa Ane lagate haiN| jisane aMtarAya nahIM DAle haiM, use| aura agara aMtarAya DAle hoM na, to use bAraha mahInoM taka vahA~ para vasUlI ke lie jAnA par3atA hai| vaha vahA~ paha~cakara pUche, 'seTha kahA~ gae haiM?' to kaheMge 'abhI-abhI bAhara gae haiM,' taba vaha pUchatA hai 'kitane baje mileMge?' 'sAr3he tIna baje aura usake bAda cAra-sAr3he cAra baje nikala jAe~ge, sAr3he tIna baje AnA' to khuda ke ghara lauTane ke bAda bhI use pUre dina usI kA dhyAna rahatA hai becAre ko| khAte samaya bhI usI kA dhyAna rahatA hai| jo sAdhanA kI, vahI sAdhanA calatI rahatI hai na! yaha sAdhanA kI hai to usI kA dhyAna rahA karatA hai| striyoM ko aisA dhyAna nahIM rhtaa| ve to vasUlI ke lie jAkara vApasa Ae~ to kucha bhI nahIM aura ye to aqlavAle haiM na? imoshnl| ve mozanavAlI haiN| bAda meM phira se sAr3he tIna baje jaldI-jaldI

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma nikalatA hai|'ab sAr3he tIna hone ko Ae haiM, aba dasa minaTa meM maiM vahA~ pahu~ca jaauuNgaa|' yAnI ki vaha usI jAgRti meM rahatA hai| aura vahA~ para usa AdamI kI patnI ne use kahA hotA hai ki 'vasUlIvAle Ae the / ' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'ThIka hai| bhale hI Ae, koI parezAnI nahIM hai| Aja to mujhe bahuta jaldI hai aura unase kahanA ki ' ve kaha rahe the, kala phira AnA / ' aura vaha savA tIna baje nikala jAtA hai / taba phira dekho to yaha seTha cir3hatA rahatA hai| 'are, maiMne ise kyoM udhAra die? maiMne ise kyoM udhAra die ?' taba agara koI pUche ki 'bhAI, kyA usakA doSa hai?' to 'nahIM bhAI, tUne jo aMtarAya DAle haiM na, usI kA yaha doSa hai / tUne logoM ke kAma meM aMtarAya DAle haiM, yaha doSa hai| usa AdamI kA doSa nahIM hai / jaba tere aMtarAya khatma ho jAe~ge, taba vaha sIdhA ho jAegA / ' 175 hameM icchApUrvaka khAne-pIne kA sabhI kucha..... aMdara AtmA hai, jisa cIz2a kI icchA ho vaha sAmane Ae, aisA hai / usake bajAya dekho prayatna karatA hai phira bhI kAma nahIM hotA aura Upara se kabhI vaha jhagar3A kara letA hai, vaha alg| 'kyA cakkara lagAte rahate ho roz2a-roz2a, tumhAre paise kahIM cale jAe~ge kyA?' to vaha cir3ha jAtA hai / phira kahatA hai, 'aba aisA kaha rahA hai Upara se| eka to paise die haiM aura phira ! ' yaha terA hI doSa hai / usakA doSa nahIM hai| vaha jo kaha rahA hai na, vaha terA hI pratispadaMna hai / yaha tUne jo projekTa kiyA hai, vahI projekTa hai yaha / Apako kabhI aisA koI anubhava huA hai ? khuda brahmAMDa kA mAlika hai phira bhI...... yaha to, ye sAre aMtarAya haiM, varnA Apa pUre brahmAMDa ke mAlika ho| taba kahatA hai, 'anubhava kyoM nahIM hotA?' sabhI aMtarAya chUTa gae to Apa mAlika to ho hii| aMtarAya kisane khar3e kie haiM? bhagavAna mahAvIra ne ? 'nahIM, tUne khuda ne hI / ' 'yU Ara hola enDa sola risponsibala phaoNra yaoNra laaiph|' khuda hI khuda ne khar3e kie haiN| z2arA bArIkI se nahIM caleMge to phira apanI gAr3I kaise calegI? yahA~ para aMtarAya kahate haiM ki 'bArIkI se hisAba seTa kara lo| ina bhAI ko moTA rAsa nahIM AegA,' kahegA / 'hA~! are, anaMta

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) zaktivAlA hai to tujhe aisA socane kI z2arUrata hI kahA~ rahI?' jisa taraha se cala rahA hai use Iz2ilI ( saralatA se ) dekhatA raha na cupacApa ! 'maiM kyA karU~,' kahatA hai| 'vahA~ para kirAyA kama par3a jAegA to laoNja meM kaise jAU~gA?' are, ghanacakkara! aisA nahIM kahate / sabakucha taiyAra hI hai vahA~ para / aisA kahanA, vahI usake aMtarAya haiM aura phira kyA ve use phala nahIM deMge? aMtarAya DAlanevAlA khuda hI hai| 176 hama aisA eka bhI akSara nahIM bolte| hameM aMtarAya haiM hI nahIM / niaMtarAya pada meM haiM hama | sabhI cIjeM yoM jahA~ baiThe hoM, vahA~ para hAz2ira ho jAtI haiN| usa cIz2a ke bAre meM socA taka nahIM hamane, phira bhI hAz2ira ho jAtI hai| Apake sAtha aisA kyoM nahIM hotA? kyoMki aMtarAya DAle haiN| 'yaha mujhe mAlUma nahIM hai, yaha mujha se nahIM hogA, ' kahA to phira vaha cIz2a kyA kahatI hai? 'tujhe mAlUma nahIM hai to bevakUpha yoM hI baiThA rh| merA apamAna kyoM kara rahA hai?' ye saba jo cIjeM haiM na, ve mizracetana haiN| yaha jo lakar3I hai vaha mizracetana se banI huI hai / yaha bhI pudgala hai / ye paramANu nahIM haiN| yaha to pudgala hai| usa para bhI yadi kabhI Apa dveSa karoge to usakA Apako phala milegaa| agara kahoge ki 'yaha pharnIcara mujhe acchA nahIM lagA' taba pharnIcara kahegA 'tere aura mere bIca aMtarAya / ' dobArA vaha pharnIcara nahIM milegA, aisA niyama hai / logoM ne hI ye aMtarAya DAle haiN| sabhI jagaha ye khuda ke hI khar3e kie hue aMtarAya haiN| eka-eka zabda para aMtarAya DAlatA hai| bilkula negeTiva bolane se aMtarAya par3ate haiM lekina paoNz2iTiva se aMtarAya nahIM par3ate / aMtarAya, ilAja karane meM yA socane meM? praznakartA : aba agara koI roga ho jAe phira usa roga ko miTAne ke lie jo ilAja karavAte haiM, to vaha jo udayakarma AyA hai usI ko khapAnA hai, usakA ilAja karavAne se kyA hama aMtarAya DAlate haiM ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN-nhiiN| ilAja ke bAre meM socate haiM to vaha aMtarAya hai| davAI lenA aMtarAya nahIM hai|

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[25] aMtarAya karma 177 praznakartA : to agara roga miTanevAlA hogA to vaha davAI use mila jAegI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to zAyada na bhI miTe, zAyada bar3he bhI sahI / hA~, lekina yaha to aisA hai ki jo davAI lI hai, vaha isalie ki vahI paramANu aMdara haiM lekina agara nahIM lI aura sirpha socate rahe, 'aisA kareM aura vaisA kareM' to vaha aMtarAya hai ! 'DaoNkTara acchA nahIM hai, vaidya acchA hai, phalAnA acchA hai, ' agara aisA socA to vaha saba aMtarAya hai / praznakartA : to aise samaya meM koI puruSArtha karanA hI nahIM hai? dekhate hI rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : puruSArtha kise kahate haiM ? dekhate rahanA hI puruSArtha hai| jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hI puruSArtha hai / praznakartA : lekina DaoNkTara ke pAsa jAnA, jA~ca karavAnA, aisA saba nahIM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : taba kyA hotA hai, use dekho / jAnA, jA~ca karavAnA, use aMtarAya nahIM kahA jaataa| 'caMdUbhAI' jA rahe hoM taba pUchanA 'kyoM Apako aisA laga rahA hai ki jAnA z2arUrI hai?' taba agara vaha kahe, 'hA~' to hameM kahanA hai 'to phira jaao|' usase kucha bhI aMtarAya nahIM par3eMge / Apake hAtha meM sattA hai hI kahA~ ki DaoNkTara ke pAsa nahIM jAe~ to clegaa| aisA kaise kaha sakate ho ! DaoNkTara ke pAsa jAnevAlA alaga hai, Apa alaga ho yA phira yoM hI? I praznakartA : to phira dAdA, agara jJAtA - dRSTA ke puruSArtha meM raheM, 'jo ho rahA hai vahI karekTa hai, ' isa taraha se dekhate raheM, jo honA hai use, to prakRti ko phula skopa mila jAegA, use jo karanA hai vahI hogA / dAdAzrI : prakRti meM aMtarAya nahIM DAlane haiN| aisA karanA yA nahIM karanA, aisA bole ki vahIM para aMtarAya DAle ! use aMhakAra karanA kahate haiM ! prakRti kyA kara rahI hai, vaha dekho na ! mahAvIra eka hI pudgala ko dekhate

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) rahate the, ve apanI prakRti ko hI dekhate rahate the| aMbAlAla bhAI zaoNla pahanakara baiThe haiM, vaha saba mujhe yahA~ baiThe dikhatA hai aura bAta kara rahe haiM, vaha bhI mujhe dikhatA hai| usa samaya hAtha kaise nacAte haiM, vaha bhI dikhatA hai| unake sabhI kriyA kalApa dikhAI dete haiM I dAdA ke baharepana kA rahasya ve DaoNkTara vApasa mujhe kAna meM mazIna rakhane ko kaha rahe the| hama se kaha rahe the, 'dAdA kucha ripeyara karavA liijie|' maiMne kahA 'nahIM-nahIM bhAI, nahIM karavAnA hai / ' taba kahane lage, 'vaha sevA hameM milegI na !' DaoNkTara to acche iMsAna the, bhAvanA aisI thI ki sevA karanI hai| DaoNkTara ko to lAbha hotaa| kyoMki jJAnIpuruSa kA ilAja kiyA isalie unheM pUrA lAbha mila jAtA, unakI pUrI bhAvanA thI isalie / taba maiMne kahA, 'lekina Apa merA nukasAna nahIM dekha rahe ho / ' taba kahane lage, 'Apako kyA nukasAna hai ? ' taba maiMne kahA, 'yaha mere karma kA phala hai, isa karma ko khapAnA hai| hameM abhI ise pUrI taraha se khapA denA hai / anya koI upAya nahIM kareMge hm| hama upAya nahIM krte|' 178 arthAt agara hama mazIna lagavA deM to hamAre aMtarAya kaise pUre hoMge? aMtarAya ko dhakkA denA kahA jAegA ise / taba koI pUche ki 'dAdA ne kauna se aMtarAya DAle hoMge?' to vaha yaha hai ki, 'dAdA ne aise aMtarAya DAle haiM ki kisI ne kucha kahA, to haTa, haTa, haTa, haTa!' arthAt kisI kI sahI bAta bhI nahIM sunI isIlie baharApana A gyaa| ApakI sahI bAta ho phira bhI agara nahIM sunU~ to kitanI bar3I aklamaMdI hai ! sahI bAta ko bhI na sune / usase phira baharApana nahIM AegA to aura kyA AegA? jaba maiM DaoNkTaroM ko samajhAtA hU~, taba DaoNkTara kahate haiM, 'haaN|' maiMne kahA, 'ise bhoga lenA par3egA ab| koI vyakti sahI bAta kahe, use bhI nahIM sune, basa khuda kI hI aqla ke gumAna meM rahanA ? basa - basa, samajha gayA, samajha gayA, samajha gyaa| sAmanevAle ko pUrA bolane bhI nahIM dete becAre ko ! aisA nahIM hotA kyA kahIM para? Apake sAtha kabhI aisA kucha nahIM huA hai? praznakartA : hotA hai|

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 179 dAdAzrI : arthAt sahI bAta bhI nahIM sunI hai logoM kI / usase aMtarAya pdd'e| bhagavAna ne kyA kahA hai ki sahI bAteM to suno| aise itanA ahaMkAra kyoM kara rahe ho? to isase bahare ho jAte haiM / jisa viSaya kA sadupayoga nahIM huA hai, usa viSaya para AghAta hue bagaira rahegA hI nahIM / hA~ ! A~khoM kA sadupayoga nahIM huA ho to cazme maMgavAne par3ate haiM / praznakartA : kaI bAra aisA lagatA hai ki vAstava meM yadi z2yAdA aMtarAya Ate haiM to isa zarIra ko Ate haiM / aisA z2yAdA lagatA hai ki sabhI aMtarAya isa zarIra ke haiM I dAdAzrI: hA~, z2yAdA / zarIra ke hI to, aura kauna se ? mana ke to bahuta nahIM hote / bhoga-upabhoga ke aMtarAya praznakartA : bhoga aMtarAya, upabhoga - aMtarAya vagairaha samajhAie / dAdAzrI : bhoga ke aMtarAya par3e hote haiM, upabhoga ke aMtarAya par3e hote haiN| tIrthaMkara bhagavAna bhoga kise kahate hoMge? aura upabhoga kise kahate hoMge? eka bAra bhoga lie jAne ke bAda dUsarI bAra nahIM bhogA jA sake, jaise ki Ama khA liyA to eka bAra bhoga liyA to use bhoga kahate haiM / peTa meM se nikAlakara phira se khAyA nahIM jA sktaa| phira se svAda nahIM AtA na? praznakartA : nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : aisA ! ye bhoga aura upabhoga kyA haiM? yaha kamIz2a phira se pahanI jA sakatI hai, ye cazme phira se lagAe jA sakate haiM, yaha deha dUsare dina kAma AtI hai, A~kheM dUsare dina kAma AtI haiM ataH ye upabhoga haiN| jo bAra - bAra bhoge jA sakeM unheM upabhoga kahate haiM / aura ye jo kapar3e haiM, inheM roz2a-roz2a pahanate haiM isalie upabhoga

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kahalAte haiN| strI-puruSa vagairaha upabhoga kahalAte haiN| bAra-bAra jinakA upayoga ho sake ve upabhoga kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : sahI kaha rahe haiM Apa, jaise ki tIrthaMkara bola rahe hoN| itanI bArIkI se DimArkezana kiyA hai| lAbhAMtarAya praznakartA : aba lAbhAMtarAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnAMtarAya kI vajaha se sabhI aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| lAbhAMtarAya arthAt kisI ko kisI bhI prakAra kA lAbha ho rahA ho, aura usameM hama rukAvaTa DAleM, to usase hameM lAbhAMtarAya par3a jAtA hai| koI acche kapar3e pahane aura hama kaheM ki 'are, bekAra hI paise pAnI meM mata DAlanA' to vaha upabhoga aMtarAya hai aura jalebI-laDDU vagairaha khA rahA ho, taba kaheM, 'are, roz2a-roz2a ye saba kyA khAtA rahatA hai? yaha to koI bAta hai! bhIkha mA~ganI hai yA kyA hai?' to isase bhoga aMtarAya ddaale| ye taraha-taraha ke aMtarAya DAlakara hI to yaha jagat utpanna ho gayA hai aura phira kahegA, 'bhagavAna detA nahIM hai|' are bhAI, tere hI DAle hue aMtarAya haiM, to bhagavAna kyoM isameM bIca meM hAtha DAleM! dAnAMtarAya, vIryAMtarAya praznakartA : anaMta vIrya kA matalaba kyA hai? anaMta vIrya, kisa taraha se banatA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| yahI hai anaMta vIrya kI dshaa| pUre dina hamArA yaha AtmavIrya nahIM dekhate? tIrthaMkaroM meM isase kucha khAsa prakAra kA jyAdA bar3hA huA hotA hai, basa itanA hii| usI ko vIrya kahate haiN| anya koI vIrya vagairaha kucha nahIM hotA, aatmviiry| anaMta lAbha-labdhi hotI hai| ____ anaMta bhoga, anaMta upabhoga, anaMta vIrya aura anaMta dAna, ye sabhI hote haiN| aba anaMta bhoga kA matalaba kyA hai? to vaha aisA hai ki ve khuda to koI cIz2a bhogate hI nahIM haiN| ve khAte to haiM sirpha do-tIna cIjeM aura sau

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 181 cIjeM hAz2ira ho jAtI haiM Tebala pr| jisa samaya meM Ama sunA hI nahIM ho, usa samaya unake Tebala para Ama rakhe hote haiN| sabakucha hAz2ira ho jAtA hai apane Apa hI, prayatna kie bagaira, soce bgair|' use kyA kaheMge? anaMta bhog| praznakartA : sva-labdhi kA upayoga karate haiM? dAdAzrI : jo sva-labdhi kA upayoga kare, vaha jJAnI nahIM hai| praznakartA : arthAt khuda ke AtmA ke guNoM meM rama jaae| AtmA ke guNoM meM niraMtara ramA huA rahe, to use anaMta vIrya mAnA jAegA? use anaMta upayoga kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : isa prakAra se jJAnI bhI raha sakate haiN| anaMta vIrya aisA nahIM hotaa| anaMta vIrya to, yoM hAtha rakhe to bhI kucha kA kucha ho jAtA hai| anaMta vIrya! anaMta dAna! dekho na hama roz2a mokSa kA dAna dete hI haiM na! kitane loga mokSa prApti karate haiN| mokSa prApti ke bAda phira jAte nahIM haiN| hai na! phira hai anaMta dAna-labdhi ! usakI icchA ho, usake pUrva karma hoM, to araboM rUpaye kA dAna de detA hai aura jisake pUrva karma nahIM hoM, vaha cAra Ane hI detA hai| pahale kA jo hisAba hai na, vahI tere bahIkhAte ke anusAra denA hotA hai| tujhe pUrI chUTa hai| anaMta dAna kI chUTa hai| agara Apa nobala ho to pichale janma meM Apane lAkhoM rUpaye dene kA, sabhI ko dene kA taya kiyA hotA hai| agara koI nobala nahIM hai to kahegA, 'ATha-ATha Ane hI denA na sabhI ko|' to koI ATha Ane detA hai. jabaki koI lAkha bhI detA hai| donoM kI zakti eka sarIkhI hI hai lekina svabhAva chor3atA nahIM hai na! praznakartA : vahA~ para bhI use svabhAva nahIM chor3atA? dAdAzrI : hA~, bhoga meM bhI svabhAva nahIM chodd'taa| bhoga meM bhI kahatA hai, 'hameM karele nahIM khAne haiN|' aura koI kahatA hai, 'mujhe karele hI khAne

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182 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiN|' hA~, svbhaav| lekina phira usakI icchA ke anusAra hI sabakucha hotA hai| icchA ke anusAra hI bhoga, icchA ke anusAra hI upabhoga aura icchA ke anusAra hI daan| phira AtA hai lAbha, icchA ke anusAra lAbha kise hotA hai? use, jisane koI ulTI rakama ikaTThI nahIM kI ho| kisake lAbha ke lie yaha saba karatA hai? ki ina logoM kA itanA kAma ho jaae| usase usake lAbha aMtarAya TUTate haiN| jabaki dUsarA koI aisA ho jisane aisI bhAvanA kI hotI hai 'dUsaroM ko alAbha ho jAe' to use lAbhAMtarAya par3atA hai| kisI ko lAbhAlAbha hotA hai| palabhara meM alAbha hotA hai aura palabhara meM lAbha hotA hai| lAbha hotA hai aura alAbha hotA hai lekina jaba lAbha kA aMtarAya calA jAtA hai, taba vaha anaMta lAbha kI prApti karatA hai| __ ataH bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM ki 'jaba aMtarAya TUTa jAe~, taba anaMta lAbha hotA hai|' anaMta bhoga, anaMta upabhoga, anaMta vIrya prakaTa hotA hai| nahIM to yaha vIrya aMtarAya kisa kAraNa se hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~ lekina ho nahIM paataa|' vaha kisalie? kyoMki vIrya aMtarAya haiN| ataH aise aMtarAya DAla die haiM, hara kisI bAta meM aMtarAya DAle haiN| aba agara use samajha hotI to aMtarAya nahIM DAlatA lekina aba samajhAe kauna? / phira AtA hai anaMta vIrya! anaMta zakti, apAra zakti! yoM hAtha lagAte hI kAma ho jAe, sAmanevAle kA kAma kara de| ye acche iMsAna haiM na, ve yA phira ye loga acche haiM? kauna se acche haiM? praznakartA : tiirthNkr| dAdAzrI : una logoM ne anubhava meM dekhA hai yaha sb| dekhakara kahA hai| usake bAda likhA gayA hai| anaMta janmoM se yahI rAstA calA AyA hai| Apako acchA lagA yaha rAstA? praznakartA : hA~, dAdA, acchA hI lagA hai na! / dAdAzrI : nahIM! lekina bAta kaisI, samajhadArIvAlI!

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 183 kisase TUTate haiM aMtarAya karma? praznakartA : jo aMtarAya par3a rahe the, ve sabhI puNyAnubaMdhI puNya se haTa jAte haiM? lAbhAMtarAya, dAnAMtarAya vagairaha jo aMtarAya Ate the| bhojana taiyAra hone ke bAvajUda bhI khA nahIM pAte the| dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to jitanA puNya hotA hai na, utanA hI phala detA hai| calA nahIM jaataa| usameM haTAne kA guNa nahIM hai, usameM phala dene kA guNa hai| aMtarAya karma kA nAza kaise ho sakatA hai? jo aMtarAya karma haiM, una karmoM ko tor3ane se, unake virodhI svabhAva se, ve saba cale jAte haiN| jisa vajaha se aMtarAya karma utpanna hue haiM, agara apanI vaha dazA na ho, to ve cale jaaeNge| aise hI aMtarAya DAlate rahe haiN| aMtarAya arthAt khuda kI icchAnusAra saphalatA na milnaa| varnA aisA hai ki icchAnusAra arthAt icchA hote hI hAz2ira ho jaae| taba kyA koI bhI puruSArtha nahIM karanA par3egA? nahIM, sirpha icchArUpI puruSArtha yA icchA honI caahie| hamArA kAphI kucha bhAga, 80% hamArI icchA hote hI turaMta sabakucha hAz2ira ho jAtA hai icchA na ho phira bhI AtI hI rahatI haiM sArI ciijeN| ataH maiM Apase kyA kaha rahA hU~ ki sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jAe~, aisA rAstA banA diyA hai maiMne Apake lie| ye sArI AjJAe~ dI haiM na, unase sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jaaeNge| samabhAva se nikAla kro| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki hamArA eTI parasenTa icchAnusAra hotA hai, to bAkI ke bIsa pratizata kA kyA? dAdAzrI : usa bIsa pratizata kI hameM par3I hI nahIM hai| icchA hone para bhI agara kabhI na mile to dera se milatA hai| dera se yAnI ki do-tIna dina bAda milatA hai lekina usakA niber3A A jAtA hai| aura vaha jo turaMta

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184 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) mila jAtA hai, aise icchA hote hI ki 'aba jAnA hai, usase pahale hI kisI kI gAr3I Akara khar3I ho cukI hotI hai| hama gAr3I nahIM rakhate, kucha bhI nahIM rkhte| praznakartA : nahIM, yAnI mujhe yaha jAnanA thA ki senTa parasenTa kyoM nahIM? Apane eTI parasenTa kyoM kahA? dAdAzrI : senTa parasenTa nahIM hai| itane to hamane bhI aMtarAya DAle hue haiM, thor3e hlke| nahIM to hamAre lie bhI vaise kucha aMtarAya nahIM rahate, bIsa pratizata jitanA nahIM hai itanA, lekina hai thor3A bhut| lekina usake bajAya agara hama bIsa pratizata kaheM to acchA lagegA, tAki pIche se mana meM aisA nahIM ho ki galatI ho gii| isake bajAya pA~ca-dasa pratizata pahale se hI jyAdA DAla deM to parezAnI to nhiiN| assI pratizata kyA kama hai isa kAla meM? assI pratizata mArksa Ate haiN| kyA Apane ye saba nahIM dekhA hai? hamArI z2arUrata kI sabhI cIjeM sAmane A jAtI haiN| praznakartA : hA~ sAmane se AtI haiN| daur3atI huI AtI haiN| dAdAzrI : sabhI cIjeM sAmane se A milatI haiN| hame z2arUrata nahIM haiM inameM se kisI bhI cIz2a kii| aMtarAya karma kI karake pUjA, bA~dhe jJAnAMtarAya praznakartA : dharma meM eka aisI paddhati calI hai ki ghara-saMsAra kucha ThIka se nahIM cala rahA ho to aMtarAya karma ke lie pUjA karavA dete haiN| dAdAzrI : aMtarAya karma kyA hai, vahI nahIM samajhate haiN| kaise par3ate haiM, vaha bhI nahIM smjhte| aMtarAya DAlatA jAtA hai aura phira vidhi bolatA jAtA hai| bhAna hI nahIM hai vahA~ para! aba vidhi bolane se kyA phAyadA huA? usane jJAnAMtarAya baaNdhaa| praznakartA : vidhi karane se jJAnAMtarAya kisa taraha par3ate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina jahA~ para jJAna kI vidhi karanI hai, vahA~ para ajJAna kI vidhi karate haiM, isalie jJAnAMtarAya pdd'aa|

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 185 kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki abhiniveSa (apane mata ko sahI mAnakara pakar3e rakhanA) mata krnaa| to sabhI jagaha abhiniveSa hI ho rahe haiM aura vahA~ para jar3a dazA hai| aisA mata krnaa| AtmA ke saMbaMdha meM jar3a dazA aura vaha jJAna kauna sA hai? shusskjnyaan| to jisake lie kRpAludeva ne sAvadhAna kiyA hai, vahI saba cala rahA hai| aba bolo, to ye loga kRpAludeva ke viruddha jAkara kara rahe haiM, yAnI ki kRpAludeva kI AjJA kA ullaMghana kiyaa| usase jo doSa lagA hai, vaha kauna chur3avAegA aba? bhale hI ajJAna se huA, nAsamajhI se huaa| use samajha nahIM hai isalie kara rahA hai| nAsamajhI se aMgAroM meM hAtha DAle to? praznakartA : jala jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : isalie haiM ki yaha saba samajhakara karo nahIM to mata kro| Apako kisane Upara laTakAyA thA ki aisA kara rahe ho? khA-pIkara mauja karo na ArAma se| aura agara bAta karo to samajhakara kro| AyuSya ke aMtarAya loga sirpha mRtyu ke aMtarAya kama DAlate haiN| praznakartA : mRtyu ke? dAdAzrI : hA~, koI aMtima avasthA meM ho to koI aisA nahIM kahatA ki 'yaha jAe to acchaa|' vaha aMtarAya nahIM ddaaltaa| aura kitane hI loga to, 'baca jAe to acchA,' to ve khuda aMtarAya ke viruddha calate haiN| ataH khuda bceNge| yaha to nyAya hai| yaha jagat arthAt nyAya svarUpa hai| tere hI ekzana aura terI bAteM, terI hI samajha, aura terA usI se clegaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, jagat nyAya svarUpa hai, yaha bAta to ThIka se samajha meM A gaI lekina aise udAharaNoM se aura jyAdA spaSTa ho jAtA dAdAzrI : spaSTa ho jAtA hai| vistAra se samajha leM na to spaSTa ho jAtA hai|

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186 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : dAdA, kaI bAra aisA hotA hai ki koI vyakti bahuta kaSTa pA rahA ho aura koI aisA kahe ki, 'bhAI, merI ekAdazI kA puNya maiM inheM detA hU~, yadi inakA chuTakArA ho jAe to!' gA~va meM aisA kahate haiM, to vaha kyA kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha nimitta hai| naimittika aisA ho sakatA hai aura na bhI ho| sAinTiphika laoN nahIM hai aisA ki aisA hone para hogA hii| dekho na, isa kAla meM kaI mahAna puruSa kama umra meM hI cale ge| unhoMne AyuSya ke kitane adhika aMtarAya DAle hoMge! praznakartA : ve kaise DAle the? dAdAzrI : usakA viruddha prakAra, samajha jAo na! kaI mahAna puruSa jo the na, ve kAphI kucha isa taraha ke the| tIrthaMkaroM ko aisA nahIM hotaa| bhagavAna mahAvIra kI Ayu bahattara sAla kI thii| bahattara sAla kA AyuSya phula (pUrA) mAnA jAtA hai| bahattara sAla se jyAdA ke sabhI phula mAne jAte haiM, isa kAla meM! zubha AyuSya nahIM, azubha aayussy| to usase AyuSya karma TUTa jAtA hai| zubha AyuSya ho to bhoga letA hai| kRSNa bhagavAna sAr3he no sau sAla taka jIe the| sAr3he no sau sAla phira bhI pacAsa kama par3e the| Ayu pUrI nahIM huI thii| vaha bANa lagA thA na! Ayu ekjekTalI pUrI nahIM huI lekina phira bhI nau sau pacAsa yAnI vaha pUrA hI kahalAegA! ekAvana sau sAla pahale haz2Ara sAla kI Ayu hotI thii| bhagavAna mahAvIra ke samaya se sau sAla kI aayu| pahale z2yAdA thI, aba Ayu vagairaha saba kama hotI jA rahI hai na! dharma meM aMtarAya hanDreDa parasenTa darzana hai apnaa| arthAt tIna sau sATha DigrI kA darzana hai apanA aura abhI ye sabhI dharma eka-dUsare ke virAdhaka haiN| kisI dharmavAle Apase kyA kahate haiM, 'are, mAtAjI ke pAsa jAoge to mithyAtvI ho

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 187 jaaoge| mahAdeva jI ke vahA~ nahIM jAnA cAhie, mithyAtvI ho jaaoge|' are bhAI, aMtarAya DAla rahe ho| darzana meM aMtarAya DAla rahe ho| darzana va jJAna donoM meM aMtarAya, Apako aisA nahIM bolanA caahie| Apako nahIM jAnA ho to mata jAo aura dUsaroM ko aisA nahIM bolanA cAhie ki 'jinAlaya meM gae, isase acchA to hAthI ke nIce Akara mara jaao|' aise sAre aMtarAya DAlate haiN| isameM jo bAta hai vaha Apako samajha meM AI? ye sUkSma bAteM samajhane jaisI haiN| mokSa jAte hae aMtarAya kauna DAlatA hai? mata! mata kI vajaha se ajJAna bhI samajha meM nahIM AtA, jJAna kI bAta to jAne do| inheM dharma lAbha prApta nahIM huA arthAt dharma kA aMtarAya hai| ApakI lAbha kI icchA ho, dharma lAbha kI lekina prApta hI nahIM hotA, to vaha ApakA khulA aMtarAya hai| praznakartA : vaha to pahale se lAyA huA aMtarAya hI AyA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina purAnA chUTatA hai aura nayA bA~dhatA hai| jaba taka jJAna nahIM ho jAtA na, taba taka bA~dhatA hI rahatA hai niyama se| gehU~ uge hoM aura gehU~ ke dAne gireM to phira dUsare ugate hI rahate haiN| sacce jJAna ke prati durlakSya, vaha bhI DAle aMtarAya praznakartA : 'kisI kA hisAba nahIM ho to usase jJAna nahIM liyA jA sakatA,' kyA yaha bAta sahI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha hisAba nahIM balki aMtarAya hotA hai| hisAba kA prazna nahIM hai| lena-dena to parivAravAloM meM hotA hai| ye saba to aMtarAya haiN| jJAna ke sahI rAste ko sahI na kaho to aMtarAya par3a jAtA hai| ye sAre aMtarAya DAlane ke sAdhana haiN| yA phira sahI jJAna ke prati durlakSya rakhanA, vaha aMtarAya hai| praznakartA : lekina vaha kaise jAnegA ki sahI hai yA kaisA hai yaha? dAdAzrI : patA na bhI cle|

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188 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : use sahI lage, usake lie hameM kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : dUsare logoM ko unakA ulTA nahIM lagatA? yaha to aisA hai na, jo mere par3osa meM rahate haiM, unheM yaha satya nahIM lgtaa| ve unake aMtarAya karma haiN| unake bhAgya meM nahIM hai, isalie unheM aisA ulTA hI dikhegaa| praznakartA : to ye saba aMtarAya anjAne meM par3a gae? dAdAzrI : kitane hI anjAne meM, kitane hI jAna-bUjhakara, ahaMkAra se, ahaMkAra aura buddhi ke pAgalapana se DAle haiN| aMtarAya, parezAna karate haiM aise agara inase pUchA hotA to ye batAte Apako, dikhAte ki ye rahe mukta puruSa, yahA~ para! pUchA hI nahIM Apane kabhI? praznakartA : nahIM-nahIM, bAta to kaI bAra huI hai| dAdAzrI : lekina turaMta svIkAra nahIM hotI na ! abhI aisA hai na, ki 'abhI hai aisA ho hI nahIM sakatA, abhI kyA aisA saMbhava hai? mokSa kA mArga kahA~ se milegA? abhI to agara dharma mila jAe to bhI bahuta acchaa|' ataH aisA svIkAra nahIM ho pAtA ki yaha mokSa kA mArga hai, lekina agara Apa unase pUcho ki 'Apa mokSa sukha kA anubhava kara rahe ho?' taba agara vaha kahe, 'hA~,' taba agara Apako una para vizvAsa Ae to A pAoge aura vaha bhI agara aMtarAya TUTa gae hoMge, tbhii| agara aMtarAya hoMge na, to 'Apa yahA~ para baiThe hue hoMge,' taba 'cAcA uTho uTho' kahakara utthaaeNge| taba Apa kaho ki, 'bhAI, basa thor3A hI, do minaTa bAda AU~?' taba ve kaheMge, 'nahIM, do minaTa bhI nhiiN|' aMtarAya chor3a deMge kyA? aise sAre aMtarAya bAdhaka haiN| praznakartA : aMtarAya tor3ane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : aba pUche upAya? lekina aba to maiM sAmane huuN| aba upAya kaise? Apako jo mA~ganA ho vaha mA~go na cupacApa! are, itanA hai ki mA~ganA bhUla jAoge, jo cAhie vaha mA~go na! Apako nirvikalpa

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 189 samAdhi cAhie, mukti cAhie, divyacakSu, jo bhI cAhie vaha mA~go na ! Apa mA~go aura maiM duuNgaa| usameM vAstava meM 'maiM' denevAlA nahIM huuN| maiM to isameM nimitta huuN| ApakA hI mAla denA hai, sirpha aisA hai ki cAbI mere pAsa hai| isalie aba mA~ga lo jo bhI mA~ganA hai, vh| abhI nahIM mA~ganA hai to do mahIne bAda maaNgnaa| bAda meM deMge to phira! taba kyA phira vApasa yahA~ para AnevAle ho? praznakartA : nahIM-nahIM, to phira kala para ise bAkI kyoM rakheM? dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai na, abhI agara aMtarAya hoM na to mana aMdara se aisA kahegA, 'ho jAegA, hameM kyA jaldI hai?' mana aisA kahegA aMdara se| abhI bhI agara aMtarAya par3e hue hoMge to kyA ho sakatA hai? satsaMga meM, 'dAdA' ke parama satsaMga meM jAne kA mana hotA rahe, to vaha aMtarAya TUTane kI zuruAta hai, lekina agara vahA~ jAne meM parezAnI yA rukAvaTa na Ae to use kaheMge, 'aMtarAya TUTa ge|' ve aMtarAya TUTa jaaeNge| dAdA bhagavAna kA nAma loge na, to aMtarAya TUTa jaaeNge| 'dAdA bhagavAna ko namaskAra karatA hU~' bologe na to TUTa jaaeNge| isalie bolnaa| vaha saba kRpA se hotA hai| hA~, kRpA se kyA nahIM ho sakatA? zabdoM kI kyA qImata hai? logoM ko aMtarAya par3e hue haiN| nakada mokSa hai phira bhI hamase mila nahIM paate| yaha bhI Azcarya hai na! praznakartA : par3osa meM hote haiM, phira bhI nahIM ho pAtA na! dAdAzrI : yahI sAre aMtarAya haiM n| sAla bhara se lage hue the? sAla do sAla se pIche par3e hoMge, nahIM? praznakartA : lekina maiMne Apase kahA z2arUra thA ki 'aauuNgaa'| lekina phira yoga nahIM baitthaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina vahI aMtarAya hai na! dUsare logoM ko aMtarAya kama hote haiM aura Apake to z2yAdA haiM kyoMki dUsare loga vAiz2a haiM aura sirpha ye hI vAiz2a nahIM haiM, ovara vAiz2a haiN| Apa ovara vAiz2a hue haiM kabhI?

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190 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) are, kitane hI vAMdhA - vacakA (Apatti uThAte haiM aura burA laga jAtA hai) bhI DAlate haiN| kyoMki ovara vAiz2a ho gayA hai na? sIdhA iMsAna vAMdhA-vacakA nahIM DAlatA, avarodha nahIM ddaaltaa| aisA eka sAdhu ne kahA thA ki 'akrama mArga to akarmiyoM kA mArga praznakartA : yaha to pApa bA~dhA na! dAdAzrI : nahIM, pApa hotA to phala bhoganA pdd'taa| yaha to aMtarAya DAla die| aMtarAya kA aMta nahIM aataa| gaira jimmedArIvAlA eka bhI vAkya nahIM bolanA caahie| isase kyA hotA hai? sahI bAta ke lie aMtarAya par3a jAte haiM aura galata bAta prakaTa hotI hai yA phira kisI ko jJAna prApti ho rahI ho to usameM bAdhA DAlI jAe to usase aMtarAya par3ate haiN| ve jJAnAMtarAya aura darzanAMtarAya kahalAte haiN| koI yahA~ satsaMga meM A rahA ho aura matArtha kI vajaha se aisA kahe ki 'dAdA bhagavAna ke satsaMga meM to jAne jaisA nahIM hai|' to phira usase vApasa yahA~ nahIM AyA jA skegaa| dekho nau-nau sAloM se Ane kA soca rahe haiM phira bhI abhI taka A nahIM pAte, kyoMki aMtarAya DAlate rahe haiN| Apase una sAhaba ne pUchA ki 'maiM AU~?' taba Apane kahA, 'hA~' to Apake hA~ kahate hI ve A gae na turaMta? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aMtarAya nahIM DAle hue the| agara aMtarAya nahIM DAle hue hoMge to kucha bhI nahIM hai| aMtarAya DAle hue hoMge to bIsa sAloM taka bhI nahIM A skeNge| mokSamArga meM aMtarAya isa taraha praznakartA : aMtarAya ke bAre meM z2arA samajhAie na ki kaI loga dAdA ke pAsa Ate haiM lekina unheM jo pahale kA, mAna lIjie ki koI kisI saMta ke pAsa jAtA hai, to use aisA lagatA hai ki 'aba hameM yaha mila gayA

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 191 hai|' koI kisI aura kA kucha phaoNlo kara rahA ho, aura kahe ki 'hameM jo mila gayA hai, usameM kyA burAI hai?' sAmane se yaha sahI cIz2a milane kA maukA AyA lekina phira bhI vaha use le nahIM paataa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, cAhe kucha bhI mila gayA ho lekina agara vaha mana khulA rakhe, opana, ki 'bhAI mokSa kA mArga mila jAe taba to hameM vahI pakar3a lenA hai|' lekina agara opana nahIM rakhA ho aura kahe 'basa isake alAvA aura hameM kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai,' to vaha aMtarAya hai| khuda ne hI dIvAra banA dI aura aba vaha dIvAra khuda ke lie hI bAdhaka ho jAtI hai| phira agara use vaha tor3anA ho, taba vaha khuda Akara hamase kahe ki 'ki mere jo aMtarAya haiM, unheM tor3anA hai aura vaha tor3ane kA nizcaya kare to hama kRpA kara dete haiM aura ve TUTa jAte haiN| lekina khada ke hI DAle hue aMtarAya haiM ye, kisI aura ke nahIM haiN| praznakartA : kitane hI logoM ko to aisI samajha bhI nahIM hotI ki ye aMtarAya mere hI haiM! dAdAzrI : samajha hI nahIM hotI ki yaha maiM aMtarAya DAla rahA hU~ yA kyA kara rahA hU~! praznakartA : use to aisA hI lagatA hai ki maiMne jo kiyA, vahI ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : ThIka hI hai, aisA mAnatA hai na! praznakartA : yadi aisA rahe ki 'maiM jo kara rahA hU~ vaha ThIka hI hai,' to vahA~ para aura koI upAya hai kyA? dAdAzrI : upAya to apane Apa hI, jaba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha cubhate haiM taba apane Apa hI upAya ho jAtA hai na! ve jaba cubhane lageM taba vApasa kucha acchA karanA to par3egA hii| kahegA 'aisA nahIM clegaa|' ina saba ko, kisI ko bhI bulAne nahIM jAnA pdd'aa| apane Apa hI, vaha cubhana hI bheja detI hai| niraMtara zakarakaMda bhaTThI meM bhuna rahA ho, sabhI vaise bhuna rahe haiN| aMtaradAha to niraMtara calatA hI rahatA hai| vaha cAhe amarIkA meM ho yA kahIM

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ora, lekina aMtaradAha to niraMtara calatA hI rahatA hai| sAdhu ho yA AcArya ho, sabhI meM aMtaradAha to calatA hI rahatA hai kyoMki jaise hI use aisA huA ki 'maiM sAdhu hU~, AcArya hU~,' to basa, yaha zurU ho jAtA hai| jo nahIM hai, usI kA Aropa karake calate haiN| anaMta janmoM se ye bhaTaka rahe haiN| khuda haiM anAmI aura nAma dhAraNa karake rauba jamAte haiN| praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki koI yahA~ prApti na kara sake, aMtarAya DAle hue hoM, to una logoM meM zraddhA lAne ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : zraddhA lAne ke lie to eka bAra use paTAkara yahA~ mere pAsa le AnA caahie| rAstA maiM nikAla duuNgaa| agara kutte ko bhI aise-aise kareM, taba kaI bAra hama jahA~ cAhe vahA~ A jAtA hai| isa taraha use bhI z2arA paTAkara le Ao to A jaaegaa| phira maiM usase bAta karU~gA na to use mana meM spaSTa samajha meM A jaaegaa| kyoMki hamArI bAta vItarAgI hai, AgrahI nahIM hai ki aisA kr'| yaha rileTiva sArA AgrahavAlA hotA hai| hama agara bAta na kareM na to ye bahana bAta bhI na kreN| Akhira taka baiThI hI rheN| gutthiyoMvAlI haiM na? aba inakI icchA nahIM hai gutthiyoM kI, lekina aMdara aMtarAya karma aise haiM ki nirI gutthiyA~ hI banatI rahatI haiN| isalie phira hameM bAta karanI thii| maiMne kahA, 'ye bahana yahA~ para AI haiM becArI, inakA cakkara lagAnA bekAra jaaegaa| unake aMdara jo AtmA hai na, unake sAtha sIdhA tAra jor3A, ki 'aisA kucha karo ki ina bahana se z2arA bAta ho ske|' aMdara bhagavAna ke sAtha seTiMga karake mazInarI ghumAI taba itanI bAtacIta huii| nahIM to kyA ye kabhI bAtacIta karatI? aMdara gutthiyA~ haiM, behada! aba, inakA doSa nahIM hai| isameM to, aMtarAya karma ulajhAte haiN| Apako samajha meM AI yaha bAta? varnA yahA~ to iMsAna Ate hI zuddha ho jAtA hai, aMdara ghusate hI zuddha ho jAtA hai| yahA~ para mAyA ke paramANu haiM hI nahIM na! isalie mAyA yahA~ se dUra khar3I rahatI hai| yahA~ para jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa mAyA se nahIM AyA jA sktaa| gutthiyA~ kyA haiM, Apako samajha meM AyA na bahana?

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 193 praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : bolate hI z2arA mu~ha phaTane lage, jabAna phaTane lage na, mana meM icchA hotI hai ki calo thor3I bAtacIta kareM lekina phira bhI nahIM karane detii| hA~ usI ko kahate haiM aMtarAya krm| aMtarAya karma ke bAre meM samajha meM AyA na bahana? ye aMtarAya karma bahuta sAre haiM, taraha-taraha ke| karuNAbhAva jagat kalyANa kA praznakartA : yaha vijJAna buddhi kI sunatA hI nahIM hai| kyA isIlie yahA~ para sabhI nahIM Ate? aisA hai? dAdAzrI : hameM bahuta sAre loga kyoM lAne haiM? yaha bhAvanA hai na, yaha eka taraha kI karuNA hai| vaha karuNA apane meM hai| usI kI hameM bahuta z2arUrata hai, basa! bAkI kucha huA yA nahIM, vaha nahIM dekhanA hai hmeN| karuNA rakhanA, yaha apanA pharz2a hai| huA yA nahIM, vaha apane hAtha meM nahIM hai| vyavasthita ke tAbe meM hai| karuNA rakhanA ApakA pharja hai aura abhI to yahA~ para bahuta loga Ae~ge, sabhI Ae~ge! akrama vijJAna kisI bhI kAla meM huA hI nahIM hai| yaha to lAkhoM logoM kA kalyANa karane ko AyA hai| kitane hI loga kAma nikAla leMge aura vaha bhI sabhI kA niSpakSapAtI rUpa se| jaina, vaiSNava, svAmI nArAyaNa sbhii| jJAnI se milane ke bhArI aMtarAya subaha sabjI lene jAte haiM, to kisI ko sar3I huI, kisI ko tAz2I mila jAtI hai na! kyoMki ki sabjI ke aMtarAya nahIM hote| abhI agara gehU~ lene jAe to aMtarAyavAlA hotA hai aura hIre vagairaha lene jAnA ho, to bhI lene kaise jAe? hAtha meM rUpae Ae binA lene kaise jAe? nire, behada aMtarAya haiN| aisA hai na, isa cIz2a (jJAna) ke aMtarAya bahuta hote haiN| yahA~ para to dasa loga Ae~ to bhI bahuta kahA jaaegaa| isake aMtarAya bahuta jyAdA, apAra hote haiN| yahA~ para to, yaha to sarvocca cIz2a hai| yahA~ para sabhI kA aisA puNya kaise ho

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sakatA hai? sabz2I-bhAjI lene ke lie logoM kI bhIr3a hotI hai mArkeTa meM, bhIr3a nahIM hotI? aura jauharI kI dukAna para kitane loga hote haiM? praznakartA : km| dAdAzrI : bahuta aMtarAya karma hote haiM / hindustAna meM araboMpati kitane haiM? aura garIba ? nire garIba hI haiM na? isI prakAra 'yaha' cIz2a sabhI ke lie nahIM hai| hama batA sakate haiM, basa itanA hI / hameM apanI bhAvanA pradarzita karanI hai ki ' bhAI, aisA hai / ' 194 isa kI prApti ke itane sAre aMtarAya hote haiM ! bahuta aMtarAya hote haiM, z2abaradasta! logoM ke aMtarAya TUTate nahIM haiN| logoM ke lakSmI ke aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiM, lAbhAMtarAya TUTa jAte haiM, dAnAMtarAya TUTa jAte haiM lekina ye jJAnAMtarAya aura darzanAMtarAya nahIM TUTate / ina do aMtarAyoM kA TUTanA bahuta muzkila hai| isIlie to ve yahA~ para nahIM Ate haiM na! Ae~ to kAma ho jAe na! arthAt jokhimavAlA hai / aura jo sacce hoMge ve prApti kara leNge| jo sacce grAhaka haiM, ve to kahIM se bhI Akara khar3e ho jAe~ge / isalie isameM jaldabAz2I nahIM karanI hai / isameM bhIr3a nahIM hotI / vaha yahA~ se sIr3hiyA~ utarakara vApasa jA rahA thA, to usakA kyA kAraNa hai? maiMne sabhI se kahA bhI ki 'are, vaha jo vyakti yahA~ Ane ke lie sIr3hiyA~ car3ha rahA hai, paMpa mAra-mArakara car3hA hotA hai lekina abhI utara jAegA,' aisA bhI kahA thA / aisA mukti kA mArga zAyada hI kabhI prakaTa hotA hai, lekina taraha-taraha ke aMtarAya hote haiM / yaha jo ho rahA hai, vaha saba karekTa hI hai| kaisA hai? dekho na, vaha vyakti uThakara gayA na / nakada dene kI bAta kI phira bhI uThakara cale gae, lekina karekTa hai na! inakarekTa nahIM hai na! hameM turaMta hI samajha meM A jAtA hai ki yaha karekTanesa aaii| ye aMtarAya karma khar3e ho ge| mujhe pahale to aisA lagA thA ki, 'yaha aMtarAya karma kahA~ se AyA?' arthAt jaba taka ve baiThe raheM, taba taka to hama jJAna nahIM de sakate the na! ve kaheM ki, 'mujhe isa taraha kA cAhie, mukta honA hai, ' to diyA jA sakatA thaa| baMdhane ke kAmI ko mokSa kA jJAna nahIM diyA jA sakatA na?

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 195 praznakartA : samarpita bhAva AnA cAhie na! dAdAzrI : ise kahate haiM aMtarAya krm| ina jJAnIpuruSa se bheMTa nahIM ho sktii| jenI koTI janmoM nI puNyaI jAge re, tyAre dAdA nA darzana thaay| (jisake koTi janmoM ke puNya jAgRta hoM, tabhI dAdA ke darzana hote haiN|) aba bolo, taiyAra mokSa kA nivAlA diyA, saba sAvadhAna bhI karate haiN| bhojana ke nivAle to phira bhI mileMge yA na bhI mileM lekina yaha mokSa kA nivAlA? phira se jJAnIpuruSa nahIM dikheMge! praznakartA : anaMta avatAra meM bhI nahIM milte| dAdAzrI : yaha akrama jJAna to haz2AroM sAloM meM, lAkhoM sAloM meM, bhI prakaTa nahIM hotA! dRr3ha vizvAsI, hamAre kahe zabda ke anusAra aMdara taiyAra ho jAtA hai| aura agara Apa kaho ki, 'ye dAdA to roz2a kahate hI haiM na, aisA kA aisA hI kahate haiM! aura ghara ke hI dAdA haiM na?! to nukasAna utthaaoge| kucha logoM ke parokSa ke aMtarAya TUTa cuke hote haiM aura kucha logoM ke pratyakSa ke aMtarAya TUTa cuke hote haiN| jisake parokSa ke aMtarAya TUTa cuke hoM, unheM pratyakSa ke aMtarAya rahate hI haiM hamezA ke lie, isalie parokSa hI milate haiN| pratyakSa ke bahuta bar3e aMtarAya par3e hue hote haiN| vaha maiMne dekhA hai, bar3e-bar3e aMtarAya par3e hue haiN| usakI mehanata bekAra jAtI hai, apanI mehanata bekAra jAtI hai| Apa ciTThI likha-likhakara thaka jAte ho| praznakartA : Apase milane ke lie bIca meM itanA adhika aMtarAya kyoM AyA? kyoMki maiM to bahuta samaya se Apako jAnatA huuN| dAdAzrI : hara eka ke aMtarAya hote haiN| jAnakAra ko aMtarAya hote haiM, anjAna ko aMtarAya nahIM hote| jAnakAra ko aMtarAya hote haiN| eka bAra bole na ki 'aise haiM, vaise haiM,' to turaMta aMtarAya par3a jAte haiM vaaps| kisI ke kahane se bole to bhI aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| jAnakAra ko aNtraay| anjAna ko aMtarAya nahIM hote| unakI aura hamArI jAna-pahacAna nahIM hai isalie aMtarAya hI nahIM haiM na! to hai koI jhaMjhaTa? sahI bAta ho yA na bhI ho lekina pA~ca TIkA-TippaNI karanevAle hoM

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196 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) to vahA~ para khuda bhI TIkA-TippaNI karane lagatA hai| aisA nahIM ki 'eka dhyeya aura eka niym|' aisA kucha nahIM hai| isa ora bhI calatA hai aura usa ora bhI calatA hai ! isalie, behada aise sAre aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| jisakA nizcaya hai, vahA~ aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiN| aise TUTe haiM kaI dinoM meN| eka vyakti ne to mujhase kahA ki, 'chaH sAla se milanA thA, lekina Apa Aja mile haiN|' taba phira kitane aMtarAya rahe hoMge? bolo! aura phaoNrenavAle eka hI bAra yAda kareM aura mila jAte haiN| aMtarAya nahIM haiM aura z2arUrata se jyAdA aklamaMdI bhI nahIM hai na? vAIz2a kI qImata hai yA ovara vAiz2a kI? praznakartA : vAiz2a kI qImata z2yAdA hai| ovara vAiz2a to bigAr3atA hai khuda kA! jisa dina jJAna diyA na, usa dina mujhe aisA lagA ki 'pratyakSa jJAnI mila ge|' dAdAzrI : pratyakSa jJAnI hI nahIM lekina bhagavAna mila gae, pratyakSa paramAtmA hI mila ge| jinake lie kRpAludeva ne kahA hai na, 'dehadhArI rUpa meM prmaatmaa|' pratikramaNa, aMtarAya ke.... praznakartA : mere to bahuta aMtarAya haiN| par3hane kI kitAba lU~ to nIMda A jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : aise sAre aMtarAya karma lekara Ae haiM na, lekina usake lie hameM roz2a pratikramaNa karanA hai ki 'he bhagavAna! mere aise aMtarAya karma dUra kiijie| aba merI aisI icchA nahIM hai|' 'pahale koI galatI kI hogI, to usase ye aMtarAya Ae haiM lekina aba galatI nahIM karanI hai' aisA karake roz2a bhagavAna se prArthanA karanI caahie| Dalate haiM aise aMtarAya jJAna-darzana ke lie praznakartA : darzanAMtarAya aura jJAnAMtarAya kisase Dalate haiM? dAdAzrI : hara eka bAta meM Ter3hA bolatA hai na! ye sAdhu mahArAja

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 197 vyAkhyAna meM jo saba samajhAte haiM, vahA~ para vyAkhyAna meM khuda samajhatA to kucha hai nahIM aura bahuta Ter3hA bolatA hai, vahI hai darzanAMtarAya aura jJAnAMtarAya DAlane kA raastaa| aisA nahIM bolanA caahie| ve bhale hI kaise bhI AcArya hoM, mahArAja hoM, unheM jaisA bhI samajha meM Ae vaisA bola rahe hoM lekina unake bAre meM Ter3hA nahIM bolanA caahie| darzanAMtarAya aura jJAnAMtarAya DAlanevAlI cIjeM yahI haiM na! vahA~ para to bahuta kama aMtarAya par3ate haiM lekina yahA~ para to bahuta hI bar3A aMtarAya par3a jAtA hai| yahA~ para to aise aMtarAya par3a jAte haiM ki 'na jAne kitanI hI caurAsI (caurAsI lAkha yoniyA~) ghUmanI pdd'eN|' jo jJAnIpuruSa mokSadAtA haiM, mokSa kA dAna dene Ae haiM, jJAna-vyAna nahIM, lekina mokSa kA dAna, to phira aisA jJAna denevAle aura lenevAle agara mila jAe~ to kyA phira rahegA koI aMtarAya? kisI taraha kA koI aMtarAya rahegA kyA? aMtarAya karma TUTa jAe~ taba dera hI nahIM lgtii| AtmA aura mokSa meM kitanI dUrI hai? koI bhI dUrI nahIM hai| jitane aMtarAya par3e hue haiM, basa utanI hI dUrI hai! praznakartA : jJAnAMtarAya aura darzanAMtarAya TUTeMge kaise? dAdAzrI : ve aMtarAya jJAnIpuruSa tor3a dete haiN| ajJAnatA to jJAnIpuruSa nikAla dete haiM, aura aMtarAya bhI jJAnIpuruSa nikAla dete haiN| lekina kucha prakAra ke aMtarAya nahIM TUTa sakate, jo jJAnI ke bhI vaza ke bAhara ke aMtarAya haiN| jinase vinaya dharma khaMDita hotA hai, ve| vinaya dharma to mokSamArga meM mukhya cIz2a hai| parama vinaya! jJAnIpuruSa ke lie eka bhI ulTA vicAra, eka bhI ulTI kalpanA nahIM AnI caahie| eka bhI ulTI kalpanA kyA kara sakatI hai? khuda kI mA~ ke lie kalpanA nahIM AtI, to jJAnIpuruSa ke lie to? isake bajAya kama Taca (saMparka) meM rahanA acchA hai| Taca meM nahIM rahegA to vicAra hI nahIM AeMge na? __vartana ke aMtarAya praznakartA : darzana meM bahuta sArA A jAtA hai lekina vartana meM nahIM aataa|

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198 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : darzana meM A jaaegaa| kucha logoM ko to darzana meM z2yAdA A jAtA hai lekina vartana meM Ane ke bhArI aMtarAya hote haiN| bAkI darzana bahuta U~cA hai| samajhane meM kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rkhaa| praznakartA : vaha to manobala kI kamI hai yA sirpha aMtarAya hI haiM? dAdAzrI : ve bhArI aMtarAya DAle hue haiM, darzana se gutthiyA~ sulajha gaI haiN| aMtarAya TUTane se prApti jJAna kI praznakartA : lekina dAdA, jJAna kI pratIti ke lie kaI bAra aMtarAya bahuta z2arUrI hote haiN| aMtarAya hoM, tabhI apanI parIkSA ho sakatI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, apanI pUrI parIkSA ho jAtI hai ki apanA kyA hisAba hai? hamane kahA~-kahA~ du:kha die the| yaha duHkha dene kA phala hai na! jo aMtarAya DAle haiM, usI kA phala AyA hai ! jJAna prApti ke aMtarAya par3ate haiM, isIlie jJAna nahIM mila pAtA na! bAkI, (aMtarAya) upakAraka to kaise ho sakatA hai? jJAna prApta karane kI kI z2arUrata hai| hameM bhojana karanA ho aura usa bhojana kI z2arUrata hai to bhojana meM aMtarAya DAlane se hameM kyA milatA hai? lekina bhUkha lagatI hai na hameM? arthAt aMtarAya nahIM Ae~ge tabhI prApti hogii| nahIM tor3anI cAhie mUrti yA phoTo apanI pustakeM phrI oNpha kaoNsTa le aura phira unheM beca de yA phira agara koI aisA krodhI ho to vaha patnI se kahatA hai, 'kaisI kitAbeM haiM ye dAdA kI ! tujhe manA kiyA thA na!' lekara jalA detA hai, aisA ho sakatA hai| usase itanA bar3A jJAnAMtarAya par3atA hai ki haz2AroM janmoM ke bAda bhI ThikAnA nahIM pdd'egaa| aura jJAnAMtarAya paDatA hai taba usake sAtha hI darzanAMtarAya paDe bagaira rahate hI nhiiN| ye donoM sAtha meM hI hote haiN| jJAnAMtarAya ke sAtha meM, AThoM aMtarAya par3a jAte haiN| praznakartA : jJAnAMtarAya ke sAtha?

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 199 dAdAzrI : hA~, aMtarAya karma eka hI par3atA hai aura jJAnAMtarAya ke sAtha meM sabhI prakAra ke par3ate jAte haiN| pustaka beca detA hai, jalA detA hai, krodha meM Akara na jAne kyA kara detA hai| use samajha nahIM hai becAre ko! use mAlUma nahIM hai na ki kisI kA phoTo nahIM jalAnA caahie| phoTo jalAnA to iMsAna ko mArane ke barAbara hai| hA~, kucha loga gusse meM phoTo jalA dete haiN| nahIM jalAnA cAhie, vaha sthApanA hai| sthApanA nAma sahita hotI hai| bhale hI vaha jIvita vyakti nahIM hai, usameM dravya-bhAva nahIM hai, lakina nAma sthApanA to hai na! bhagavAna kI mUrti ko bhI kucha nahIM karanA caahie| to loga kahate haiM, 'kucha loga bhagavAna kI mUrtiyoM ko tor3a dete haiM to unheM kyoM kucha nahIM hotA?' unheM bhI phala mile bagaira to rahegA hI nahIM na! mUrti kabhI bhI kucha nahIM karatI, zAsana deva karate haiN| lekina logoM kA mana duHkhAyA to usakA phala milegaa| Apa agara kisI jAti kA dharma sthAna jalA do, to usase kitane hI logoM kA mana duHkhatA hai| Apako usakA phala avazya milegaa| kisI ko duHkha dekara Apa kabhI bhI sukhI nahIM ho sakate, isalie ho sake utanA sukha do| na ho sake to duHkha to denA hI nahIM cAhie aura duHkha nAsamajhI se die jAte haiN| loga mana meM kyA samajhate haiM ki 'maiM nahIM detA hU~, lekina sabhI mujhe aisA kahate haiN| hameM aisA galata nahIM karanA hai, kisI ko bhI duHkha nahIM denA hai|' maiMne kahA, 'lekina tU samajhatA kyA hai? are, pUre dina duHkha hI detA hai tU! kyA samajhatA hai tU isase' vaha to apanI bhASA meM bAta karatA hai, khuda kI leMgveja meN| tU merI leMgveja sun| pUre dina tU duHkha hI detA rahatA hai| sarTiphAiDa leMgveja hai jJAnI kii| usase Age kucha bhI samajhane yA socane ko nahIM rhtaa| yaha samajhanA to par3egA hI na, kabhI na kabhI! nizcaya se TUTeM dhAge aMtarAya ke jise yaha 'jJAna' mila jAe na, usake to sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiN| yahA~ para maiM Apase kyA kahatA hU~ ki sabhI aMtarAya TUTane kA rAstA banA diyA hai| maiMne Apako yaha jJAna diyA hai na aura sAtha-sAtha ye saba AjJAe~ dI haiM na, to inase sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jaaeNge|

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200 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : dAdA, jaba aisA nizcaya hotA hai na ki satsaMga meM AnA hI hai, taba sabhI prakAra se anukUlatA ho jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : nizcaya sabhI aMtarAya ke dhAge tor3akara nikAla detA hai| nizcaya kI hI z2arUrata hai| jaba taka nizcaya nahIM karatA, taba taka aMtarAya vagairaha Ate rahate haiN| abhI roDa para bahuta TrAphika ho, lekina agara pradhAnamaMtrI Ae~, to sArA TrAphika haTa jAtA hai| yoM hI haTa jAtA hai eka ghaMTe meM, koI khar3A hI nahIM rahatA! aisA hai yaha to! aura yaha kyA koI pradhAnamaMtrI kA pada hai! yaha to paramAtmA kA pada hai !!! yaha jJAna dekara Apako maiMne jo pada diyA hai, vaha paramAtmA kA pada hai| bhale hI Apa isameM tanmayAkAra nahIM raha pAte hoM, to vaha abhI ApakI eDajasTa hone meM kamI hai| bAkI hai to paramAtmA pada! 'aMtara chUTe tyAM khule che aMtara A~khar3I re lol|' ___ 'aMtara chUTe vahA~ khulate haiM aMtara ckssu|' apane jo aMtara cakSu khule haiM na, jo divyacakSu haiM, yaha aMtara chUTa jAtA hai, usI se dinoMdina isa prakAra divyacakSu khulate jAte haiN| aMtara arthAt jJAnAMtarAya! jaise-jaise bAkI ke sabhI aMtarAya TUTate jAe~ge vaise-vaise divyacakSu khulate jaaeNge| yaha aMtarAya par3A huA hai na, vaha ina sabhI karmoM kI vajaha se par3A huA hai na! ye aMtarAya jaise-jaise chUTeMge, vaise-vaise sabakucha khulatA jaaegaa| aMtarAya kI vajaha se yaha dUra hai| nahIM to AtmA aura Apa dUra nahIM ho| sirpha aMtarAya karma hI rukAvaTa DAlate haiN| aba sArI (saMpUrNa) prApti ho gaI hai| prApta ho gayA hai phira bhI kyoM apanI icchA anusAra lAbha nahIM detA hai? to vaha isalie ki aMtarAya karma haiN| jaise-jaise ve chUTate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise niber3A AtA jaaegaa| satsaMga ke aMtarAya praznakartA : dAdA kA satsaMga cala rahA ho, phira bhI aMtarAya kI vajaha se A nahIM pAte, to ve aMtarAya kaise par3e?

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma dAdAzrI : agara nahIM A pAte haiM to vaha aMtarAya nahIM hai / vaha aMtarAya kA phala hai| agara nahIM A pAte haiM, to vaha pahale ke par3e hue aMtarAyoM kA phala hai| unheM to bhoganA hI par3egA na ! praznakartA : ve aMtarAya kisa taraha par3a gae ? 201 dAdAzrI : khuda ne hI DAle hue haiN| roz2a-roz2a jAkara kyA karanA hai ! aba aMdara aisA hotA hai ki 'do dina nahIM gae to kyA hai?' isI se aMtarAya par3A! praznakartA: koI dAdA ke satsaMga meM A rahe hoM, unheM agara koI aisA kahe ki, 'Apa roz2a-roz2a vahA~ kyA kATane jAte ho, eka hI bAta sunane ke lie| to phira use aMtarAya par3eMge na?' dAdAzrI : hA~, to usase vaha aMtarAya DAlatA hai / isa taraha se rokA, vahI aMtarAya hai| sIdhI bAta hI karo na Apa, choTA baccA samajhe aisI ! rokanA arthAt aNtraay| Apane jitane rukAvaTeM DAlI haiM, utanI hI ApakI rukAvaTeM haiN| paramAtma aizvarya rukA hai icchA se praznakartA : hameM jisa cIz2a kI bahuta hI icchA ho, vaha cIz2a nahIM miltii| phira usakA duHkha rahA karatA hai / dAdAzrI : jisa cIz2a kI bahuta icchA ho na, to vaha cIz2a milegI to sahI lekina atyaMta icchA hone kI vajaha se dera se milatI hai aura agara icchA kama ho jAe to jaldI mila jAtI hai / icchA balki aMtarAya DAlatI hai| praznakartA : jisa cIz2a kI hameM icchA ho, to kyA vaha cIz2a hameM milegI hI nahIM? dAdAzrI : milegI, lekina jaba icchA kama ho jAegI taba milegI / icchAvAlI cIz2a milegI to sahI / icchA karane se hI aMtarAya haiM / jaise-jaise icchAe~ kama hotI jAtI haiM, vaise-vaise aMtarAya TUTate jAte haiM / usake bAda sabhI cIjeM prApta ho jAtI haiM / jo honA hotA hai, usakI pahale icchA utpanna

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202 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hotI hai| aMtarAya TUTane se khuda kI icchAnusAra milatA hai| hameM kyoM eka bhI aMtarAya nahIM hai? kyoMki hamArI saMpUrNa nirIcchaka dazA hai| manuSya to paramAtmA hI hai| anaMta aizvarya prakaTa ho sake, aisA hai| icchA kI ki manuSya ho gyaa| nahIM to aisA hai ki 'khuda' jo cAhe vaha prApta kara sakatA hai lekina aMtarAyoM kI vajaha se prApta nahIM kara sktaa| bhagavat zakti meM jitane aMtarAya par3ate haiM, vaha zakti utanI hI ruka jAtI hai, AvRta ho jAtI hai| varnA bhagavat zakti arthAt jo bhI icchA kI jAe, vaha hara eka cIz2a sAmane A jaae| usameM jitane aMtarAya DAlatA hai, zakti utanI hI AvRta ho jAtI hai| hamameM icchA jaisI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| icchAe~ do prakAra kI hotI haiM, eka DiscArja icchA aura eka cArja icchaa| cArja icchA, jisase ki nayA hisAba baMdhatA hai| DiscArja arthAt, agara abhI bhUkha lagI ho taba agara vaha vyakti aise dekhe to hama jAna jAte haiM ki isa bhAI ko icchA ho rahI hai lekina yaha DiscArja icchA kahalAtI hai| hameM agara koI aisI DiscArja icchA ho jAe, taba vaha cIz2a sAmane se A jAtI hai| hameM prayatna nahIM karanA pdd'taa| aMtarAya itane TUTa gae haiM ki hara eka cIz2a A milatI haiN| hara eka cIz2a icchA hote hI A milatI hai| yaha niraaMtarAya karma kahalAtA hai| anizcaya se aMtarAya, nizcaya se niraMtarAya mokSamArga meM to, jaba aMtarAya Ate haiM taba khuda kI zaktiyA~ aura bhI adhika prakaTa hotI jAtI haiN| ataH agara usameM aMtarAya Ae~, taba bhI hameM apanA nizcaya dRr3ha rakhanA cAhie ki 'kisI kI tAkata nahIM hai jo mujhe roka sake,' aisA bhAva rakhanA hai| mu~ha para nahIM bolanA hai, bolanA to aMhakAra hai| aMtarAya ahaMkAra kI vajaha se Dalate haiM ki 'maiM kucha huuN|' praznakartA : aMtarAya apane Apa hI TUTa jAte haiM yA puruSArtha se TUTate dAdAzrI : ataMrAya arthAt anishcy| iMsAna kA puruSArtha kahA~ gayA? puruSArtha dharma khullA hai|

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 203 praznakartA : nizcaya hI puruSArtha hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~ nizcaya, ki mujhe aisA karanA hI hai / praznakartA : lekina sabhI ke nizcaya nahIM phalate / dAdAzrI : vaha phale yA na phale, vaha hameM nahIM dekhanA hai / hameM to nizcaya karanA hai! agara nizcaya nahIM karoge to koI kAma hogA hI nhiiN| khuda kA anizcaya hI aMtarAya hai / nizcaya karane se aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiN| AtmA kA nizcaya ho jAe to sabhI aMtarAya TUTa hI jAe~ge na ! pharka, nizcaya aura icchA meM praznakartA : Apane AptavANI meM aisA kahA hai ki 'vila pAvara se aMtarAya TUTate haiM' aura dUsarI tarapha hama jAnate haiM ki icchA karane se to aMtarAya par3ate haiN| dAdAzrI : icchA nahIM karanI hai, nizcaya karane ko kahA hai| nizcaya kiyA to cAhe kaisA bhI aMtarAya ho, TUTa hI jaaegaa| praznakartA : hama kisI cIz2a kI satata icchA kareM, nizcaya kareM ki yaha cIz2a mujhe prApta karanI hI hai, to phira kyA aisA nahIM hogA ki isa icchA se aMtarAya par3eMge? dAdAzrI : nizcaya honA cAhie, icchA kA prazna hI kahA~ AyA? praznakartA: nizcaya aura icchA meM kyA pharka hai? vaha z2arA samajhAie na ! dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai / icchA kA matalaba to khuda kI manacAhI cIz2a aura nizcaya to ekz2ekTanesa hai / anicchA arthAt acchI na laganevAlI (nApasaMda) ciij'| icchA arthAt acchI laganevAlI (pasaMdIdA ) cIz2a | aura nizcaya kA aura isakA kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai / nizcaya kA matalaba to nirdhAra kiyA hmne| praznakartA: nizcaya aura icchA ke bAre meM udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na ! dAdAzrI : isameM kaisA udAharaNa bhalA? manacAhI cIz2a yAnI hameM

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204 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kele lene jAnA ho to icchA karanI par3atI hai| koI kArya karanA ho to nizcaya karanA par3atA hai| anicchAvAlI cIz2a lene jAte samaya kitanI spIDilI (tez2I se) calatA hai koI iMsAna? praznakartA : baiTha hI jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : aura icchAvAlI cIz2a? praznakartA : daudd'egaa| dAdAzrI : aura nizcaya ina donoM se pare hotA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, isakA matalaba Apa jo kahate haiM ki pA~ca AjJA pAlana karane kA nizcaya karanA caahie| dAdAzrI : basa, nizcaya karanA caahie| to phira apane Apa pAlana ho paaegaa| ApakA nizcaya honA cAhie aura agara DhIlA rakhA to phira ddhiilaa| Apa kaho ki bhAI, 'hameM dAdA ke pAsa jAnA hai|' agara nizcaya kiyA to phira cAhe kitane bhI aMtarAya hoMge, ve TUTa jAe~ge, aura agara aisA kahoge ki 'vyavasthita hai na' to phira bigar3a jaaegaa| praznakartA : hA~, aisA anubhava huA hai| dAdAzrI : isa taraha se 'vyavasthita' nahIM kahanA caahie| vyavasthita ho to phira baMda A~khoM se moTara calAo na sabhI! to sahI hai| roDa para baMda A~khoM se moTara calAne meM kyA parezAnI hai? vyavasthita hai na? praznakartA : to eksiDenTa ho jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : to phira isameM, yahA~ eksiDenTa nahIM hogA? vyavasthita kaba kahanA hai ki khulI A~khoM se gAr3I calAnI hai aura phira bhI agara TakarA jAe, aura koI nukasAna ho jAe taba kahanA hai, vyvsthit| bAta ko samajhanA to par3egA na! yoM hI kahIM calatA hogA? praznakartA : yaha to hara eka cIz2a meM A sakatA hai ki nizcaya bala ho, to aMtarAya TUTa hI jAte haiN|

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 205 dAdAzrI : (ha~sakara) nizcaya bala mokSa meM le jAtA hai aura anizcaya se hI yaha saba rukA huA hai| praznakartA : anizcaya aura anirNaya, donoM eka hI cIz2a haiM na? dAdAzrI : eka hI haiN| lekina anizcaya kA z2ora adhika hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha aisA hai jaise, 'TU bI aura noTa TU bI' (honA yA na honaa)| dvidhA hI hotI rahatI hai| dAdAzrI : dvidhA hotI rahegI to isameM barakata hI nahIM aaegii| yaha to, aisA nizcaya rahanA cAhie ki mujhe jAnA hI hai subaha, to samajho na ki vaha calA! praznakartA : to aise nizcaya kiyA to use ahaMkAra karanA nahIM kahA jAegA? ___ dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra rahA hI nahIM, phira karane ko kahA~ rahA? aura jo rahegA, vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra hai| yAnI ki ahaMkAra jaba silaka (jamApU~jI) meM hai hI nahIM to phira usakA upayoga kahA~ se hogA? praznakartA : nizcaya karanA Avazyaka hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, Avazyaka nahIM hai| Avazyaka to alaga hI cIz2a hai| nizcaya kA matalaba to apanA dhyeya hai, dhyeya kI tarapha le jAnevAlI ciij'| bhojana meM aMtarAya par3A hai kabhI? praznakartA : koI satsaMga karane kA nizcaya karake nikale aura dAdA ke satsaMga meM na jA pAe, to usa vyakti ko kaisA lAbha milatA hai? satsaMga huA ho vaisA lAbha yA usase kama yA jyAdA? / dAdAzrI : sirpha bhAva kA phala milegaa| koI hamase kahe ki 'lIjie, khAnA khA liijie| to bhI phala milegaa|

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206 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : sAmAnya rUpa se, iMsAna agara nizcaya karake nikale to usa bAre meM usakA koI aMtarAya rahatA hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : lagabhaga nahIM rhtaa| hA~, kabhI aisA ho sakatA hai| hamezA ke lie aisA nahIM rhtaa| apanA nizcaya ho to koI rokanevAlA hai hI nhiiN| Dhulamula rakhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| agara eka mIla taka phisalanavAlI jagaha ho aura lage ki 'phisala paDhUMgA to?' to phira usakA upAya nahIM hai| phisalanA hI nahIM hai, kaise phisala jAU~gA?' agara aisA rakhegA to usI taraha vyavasthA kregaa| paira, mana-vana vagairaha sIdhe rheNge| aura agara hama kaheM ki 'phisala jAe~ge' to mana-vana saba DhIle par3a jAe~ge ki 'kaise jAU~?' lekina agara aisA kaheM, 'phisaleMge kyoM?' aisA nizcaya kiyA ki sabakucha sApha! isake bAvajUda bhI agara phisala par3e to vyavasthita! praznakartA : to kyA nizcaya meM aMtarAya tor3ane kI zakti hai? dAdAzrI : sabhI aMtarAya tor3a detA hai| koI aMtarAya nahIM rahane detaa| praznakartA : isakA matalaba jaba aMtarAya bAdhA DAlate haiM to vaha nizcaya kI kamI hai? dAdAzrI : nizcaya kI hI kamI hai| praznakartA : arthAt kamI khuda kI hai aura aMtarAyoM ko doSa detA hai| dAdAzrI : aura koI nahIM, khuda ke hI khar3e kie hue aMtarAya haiN| khuda ke khar3e kie hue nizcaya se khatma ho jaaeNge| bhojana meM aMtarAya kyoM nahIM par3ate kabhI? cAya ke lie ataMrAya kyoM nahIM par3ane dete? jAna-bUjhakara hI DAle haiM ye sbhii| aMtarAya agara anjAne meM par3ate taba to cAya vagairaha sabhI meM aMtarAya aate| kucha nahIM par3ate! bahuta pakke loga haiM na! isa pakkepana ne hI inheM mArA hai| kaccA hotA to acchA thaa| praznakartA : pakke haiM nhiiN| khuda apane Apako pakkA mAna baiThate haiN| dAdAzrI : mAna liyA hai| khuda apane Apa ko svataMtra mAna baiThA hai|

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma 207 jJAnI kA niraMtarAya pada zAstra meM DhU~Dhane jAe~ to bhI nahIM milegA aMtarAya kA sahI artha ! anubhaviyoM ne vaha saba nahIM likhA hai, mUla AtmA ko aMtarAya haiM hI nahIM / jisa-jisa cIz2a kI z2arUrata ho, ve saba vahA~ ghara baiThe hAz2ira ho jAtI haiM / aMtarAya haiM hI nahIM na! aura aMtarAya agara haiM to 'hamane' khar3e kie haiM apanI aqla se, buddhi se| yaha buddhi kA pradarzana hai / eka vyakti mujhase pUcha rahA thA, 'dAdA, Apake saMyoga kaise haiM aura hamAre saMyoga to.... Apa to yahA~ se utarate haiM, to vahA~ para kursI taiyAra hI rahatI hai| usameM kisI bhI taraha kI ar3acana nahIM aatii| 'no' (nahIM) aMtarAya / ' agara hamAre dimAga meM kabhI khAne kI icchA ho, hAlAMki jyAdAtara icchA hotI nahIM hai, lekina agara icchA ho to aMtarAya nahIM pdd'te| loga to, aisI AzA rakhakara baiThe hote haiM ki 'dAdA kyA khAe~ge !' phira aMtarAya raheMge hI nahIM na! to vaha isalie ki 'mUla AtmA ko aMtarAya Ate hI nahIM na !' jisa cIz2a kI icchA ho sabakucha turaMta vaisA hI ho jAtA hai / 'to phira ataMrAya kyoM hue?' darzanAvaraNa aura jJAnAvaraNa se ho gae haiM / ve aMtarAya moha se cAra bhAgoM meM vibhAjita ho ge| ataH AtmA ke rUpa meM 'khuda' paramAtmA hai| jisa cIz2a kA vicAra Ae, ve sabhI cIz2eM prApta ho jAe~, aisA hai / lekina agara prApta nahIM ho rahI hai to kyA rukAvaTeM DAlI haiM? moha kI vajaha se rukAvaTeM A jAtI haiN| mUrcchA kI vajaha se ye aMtarAya karma aura vighnakarma haiN| vaise-vaise AtmavIrya prakaTa hotA hai Atma zaktiyoM ko AtmavIrya kahate haiM / jisameM AtmavIrya kama ho, usameM kamaz2orI utpanna ho jAtI haiN| krodha - mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna ho jAte haiN| ahaMkAra kI vajaha se AtmavIrya TUTa jAtA hai / jaise-jaise vaha ahaMkAra vilaya hogA, vaise-vaise AtmavIrya utpanna hotA jaaegaa| jaba-jaba AtmavIrya kama hotA huA lage, taba pA~ca-paccIsa bAra z2ora se bolanA ki 'maiM anaMta zaktivAlA hU~' to phira zakti utpanna ho jaaegii| mokSa meM jAte hue anaMta aMtarAya haiM isalie usake sAmane mokSa meM jAne ke lie anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM /

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208 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ina ulTI zaktiyoM se saMsAra khar3A ho gyaa| aba sIdhI zaktiyA~ itanI z2yAdA haiM ki sabhI vighnoM ko tor3a deN| isIlie to hama vaha vAkya bulavAte haiM, 'mokSa meM jAte hue vighna aneka prakAra ke hone se unake sAmane maiM anaMta zaktivAlA huuN|' jJAtA-dRSTA rahane se tamAma vighnoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai| varnA mokSa to yaha rahA, Apake pAsa hI par3A hai| mokSa kahA~ dUra hai! aMtarAya par3e haiM bIca meN| praznakartA : 'AtmA2 anaMta zaktivAlA' hai, to phira usa para aMtarAya kisa AdhAra para A gae haiM? dAdAzrI : 'hama' hI haiM una aMtarAyoM ko khar3e karanevAle, hama hI haiM ddaalnevaale| anya kisI kI dakhalaMdAjI nahIM hai| praznakartA : lekina kauna sI roMga prosIjara se AtmA kI anaMta zakti para aMtarAya A gae? dAdAzrI : ina sabhI roMga bilIphoM se| kyA roMga bilIpha eka hI taraha kI hai? 'maiM moTA hU~' vaha bhI roMga bilIpha hai, 'maiM patalA hU~' vaha bhI roMga bilIpha hai, 'maiM laMbA hU~, kAlA hU~, gorA hU~' kitanI taraha kI roMga bilIpheM haiM! jitane zabda, utanI hI roMga bilIpheM haiN| hA~! itanI roMga bilIpheM haiN| ina saba ko jaba pAra kara leMge usake bAda rAiTa bilIpha khar3I hogii| ___AtmA kI caitanya zakti kisa se AvRta ho jAtI hai? yaha cAhie aura vaha caahie| logoM kI z2arUrateM dekhakara 'hama' bhI sIkha gae unakA jnyaan| isake binA nahIM clegaa| methI kI bhAjI ke bagaira to calegA hI nhiiN| aise karate-karate pha~sa gae! AtmA anaMta zaktivAlA hai, usa para bAra-bAra patthara DAlate gae! aisA hai na, nAlI baha rahI ho to, usameM pAnI jAne kI zakti to bahuta hai| nAlI bhI acchI hai, lekina agara kisI ne bIca meM eka bhI patthara DAla diyA to hama samajha jAe~ge ki yaha spIDa se kyoM nahIM baha rahA hai?

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[2.5] aMtarAya karma use aMtarAya par3anA kahA jAtA hai / isa taraha agara do jagaha para DAla die jAe~ to aura z2yAdA pAnI rukegaa| tIna jagaha para DAleM to aura bhI z2yAdA rukegA aura agara bahuta sAre DAleM to pUrA hI ruka jAegA / aura jJAnIpuruSa to khuda niaMtarAya pada meM rahate haiM / koI aMtarAya hI nahIM / unake pAsa baiThane se sabhI aMtarAya TUTa jAte haiM, sirpha baiThane se hI / unake sAtha gappa mAreM to bhI ! I 209

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[2.6] vedanIya karma zAtA-azAtA vedanIya kitane hue? praznakartA : cAra dAdAzrI : dravyakarma rUpI momabattI ke cAra AvaraNa hara eka jIva meM hote haiM, kisI ekAdha jIva meM nhiiN| jIva mAtra meN| aura pA~cavA hai vedniiy| agara apanI icchA na ho, taba bhI agara ekadama se ThaMDa ho jAe to zarIra kA~pane lagatA hai lekina phira bhI ThaMDa bhoganI par3atI hai| aura agara koI hama para aMgArA DAla de to vedanIya bhoganI par3atI hai na! kyoMki jala jAte haiN| ina aspatAloM meM loga vedanIya bhogate haiM, dekhI hai Apane logoM kI vedanIya? praznakartA : hA~, haaN| dAdAzrI : kitanI? eka hI prakAra kI hotI hai yA aneka prakAra kI hotI hai? praznakartA : kaI prakAra kI hotI haiN| dAdAzrI : kaI prakAra kI aura kitanI hI jagaha para kucha loga zAtA vedanIya bhogate haiN| jo daHkha detI hai, vaha azAtA vedanIya kahalAtI hai| zarIra meM kisI bhI prakAra kI takalIpha na ho, Ama kA rasa khA-pIkara phira so ge| taba seTha kisameM haiM? to kahate haiM 'zAtA vedanIya' meM haiN| abhI taka rasa se gesa nahIM huI hai isalie zAtA vedanIya meM haiM seTha to, jaba gesa hogI

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[2.6] vedanIya karma 211 taba turaMta hI seTha kyA kaheMge, 'yahA~ para vAyu ho gii|' lekina taba taka jo zAtA vedanIya bhogatA hai, vaha hisAba meM likhavAkara lAyA hai| ataH zAtA vedanIya aura azAtA vedanIya, do prakAra kI vedanIya lekara Ate haiN| kitanI hI bAra kucha samaya taka zAtA rahatI hai aura usake bAda vApasa azAtA A jAtI hai| isa prakAra pUre dina zAtA-azAtA calatI hI rahatI hai| koI gAliyA~ de to azAtA vedanIya, koI phUloM kA hAra car3hAe to phira zAtA vedniiy| zarIra milA hai, isI vajaha se jaba garmI par3ane lage to sahana nahIM hotii| paMkhA calAe ki zAtA vedanIya aura sardI meM agara paMkhA calAe to ThaMDa lagane lagatI hai, vaha bhI sahana nahIM hotii| vaha hai azAtA vedniiy| azAtA vedanIya samajha gae na? palabhara meM aisA ho jAtA hai ki caina nahIM par3atA, vedanIya! dAMta duHkhA yA dAr3ha duHkhI ki azAtA vedanIya ho gii| koI pUche ki 'kyoM Aja ceharA aisA laga rahA hai?' taba kahegA 'yaha dAr3ha duHkha rahI hai|' vaha kucha bhI upAya karatA hai, tAki darda miTa jaae| aMta meM agara koI bhI upAya nahIM mile to lauMga kA arka lagAkara sunna kara detA hai| sunna karane se aMdara vedanA to rahatI hai, lekina hameM patA nahIM calatA, varnA vedanA sahana nahIM hogI na! eka to, isa zarIra ko jitanI vedanA bhoganI hai, 'ApakI' vaha vedanA dravyakarma hai| vedanA ! phira cAhe vaha sukha kI vedanA ho yA duHkha kI vedanA, kar3ave kI ho yA mIThe kI, lekina vaha saba ina dravyakarmoM meM se utpanna hotA hai| do duHkha kA inTaravala, vahI sukha hai praznakartA : hA~, vaha jo vedanIya batAyA hai, z2arA usake vivaraNa kI AvazyakatA hai| dAdAzrI : pUrI duniyA do prakAra kI vedanIya meM rahatI hai| palabhara meM zAtA aura palabhara meM ashaataa| thAlI meM agara sabakucha naoNrmala Ae to zAtA rahatI hai, lekina yadi sabz2I z2arA tIkhI A jAe ki azAtA utpanna ho jAtI hai|

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212 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : zAtA ko bhI vedanIya kahA hai? dAdAzrI : zAtA ko vedanIya hI kahate haiM na ! ye loga jise sukha aura jise duHkha kahate haiM, use bhagavAna ne vedanIya kahA hai| sirpha asara hI hai| vedanA hai eka prakAra kI / praznakartA : hama to aisA mAnate haiM ki jaba duHkha kama ho jAe to vaha sukha hai| Apa kahate haiM ki 'sukha vedanA hai, ' to yaha samajha meM nahIM AyA / dAdAzrI : jo duHkha kama ho jAe, vaha sukha nahIM hai| do du:khoM ke inTaravala ko loga sukha kahate haiM / do du:khoM ke bIca, eka duHkha kA aMta AyA aura dUsarA duHkha abhI taka zurU nahIM huA hai, taba taka use sukha kahate haiM / likha lenA ye zabda | yaha inTaravala kisameM hotA hai? nATaka meM / ataH vAstava meM yaha sukha nahIM hai, yaha vedanA hai / praznakartA : to vAstava meM sukha kise kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : kharA sukha to jo AnaMda hai, AtmA kA AnaMda hotA hai, vaha hai| vedanA kisalie kahate haiM kyoMki jisa-jisa cIz2a se sukha hotA hai, vaha jaba aibnaoNrmala ho jAe taba duHkha rUpa ho jAtI hai| abhI khIra khAne meM maz2A AtA hai lekina agara peTa meM z2yAdA DAla de to? praznakartA : hA~, to duHkha ho jAtA hai / dAdAzrI : ata: jo aibnaoNrmala ho jAe, vaha sArA vedanIya kahalAtA hai aura jo bilkula bhI aibnaoNrmala nahIM hotA, vaha saba sukha kahalAtA hai| AtmA kA sanAtana sukha kabhI bhI nahIM jAtA, kisI bhI saMyoga meM nahIM jaataa| niraMtara paramAnaMda rahatA hai / svAbhAvika sukha Apane cakhA hai kisI bhI janma meM? kyA vaha cakhanA nahIM cAhie? praznakartA : lekina jJAnI to azAtA ko bhI duHkha nahIM mAnate /

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[2.6] vedanIya karma 213 dAdAzrI : azAtA ko duHkha mAnate hI nahIM na! zAtA ko sukha nahIM mAnate isalie azAtA ko duHkha nahIM mAnate lekina jisane zAtA meM sukha mAnA, use azAtA meM duHkha nahIM mAnanA ho to bhI mAnanA par3egA, anivArya hai| lekina jJAnI to zAtA meM sukha lenA chor3a hI dete haiN| vedanIya karma aMdara zAtA detA hai, azAtA bhI detA hai| ataH karma hI ye saba karate haiN| hameM' kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotaa| vedana nahIM karanA hai, jAnanA hai praznakartA : dAdA, aisA hai na ki ina jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya kA ciMtavana kara-karake inheM jaldI khapAyA jA sakatA hai jabaki zAtA-azAtA vedanIya aura nAma-gotra-AyuSya ina saba ko to bhoganA hI par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai ki bhoganA hI par3atA hai| isameM bhI yadi kabhI agara jJAna pakkA ho, to nahIM bhogtaa| tIrthaMkara nahIM bhogate haiM, kabhI bhii| unheM zAtA-azAtA vedanIya hotI haiM, ve bhogate nahIM haiN| ve basa jAnate hI haiM, itanA hii| lekina yaha jJAna kaisA hai? 'Apa' kyA kahate ho, 'yaha to kucha bhI nahIM hai|' kyoMki Apane itanA hI jAnA hai lekina agara Apa kaho, 'mujhe sahana nahIM ho rahA hai' to duHkha hogaa| kitane hI choTe du:kha Apa jAnakara hI nikAla dete ho, usake bhoktA banate hI nhiiN| aura jitane duHkhoM ko Apa aisA kahate ho ki 'mujha para yaha duHkha AyA hai, to apane Apa hI, Apake bolate hI A jAtA hai| Apa kaho ki, 'maiMne jaanaa|' 'jAnA' kahate hI halkA ho jAtA hai aura phira use sirpha jAnatA hI rahatA hai| bilIpha vedanA hai, jJAna vedanA nahIM praznakartA : aba kahe ki, 'merA sira duHkha rahA hai,' usa samaya use jAnatA kauna hai aura sira kI vedanA kA vedana kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra usakA vedana karatA hai| ahaMkAra vedatA hai /

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kyoMki sira ApakA hai isalie ApakA ahaMkAra vedatA hai aura Ama kA rasa aura pUr3I khAtA hai, use bhI ahaMkAra vedatA hai / zAtA aura azAtA donoM ko ahaMkAra vedatA hai / praznakartA : AtmA nahIM vedatA ? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko sparza hI nahIM hotA yh| praznakartA : lekina usa vedanA ko hama anubhava karate haiM / dAdAzrI : vaha anubhava, ahaMkAra kA anubhava hai na! yaha bilIpha vedanA hai, yaha jJAna vedanA nahIM hai / nahIM to agara jJAna vedanA hotI to rAta ko nIMda hI nahIM AtI / pUrI rAta kI rAta, kitane hI dinoM taka nIMda hI nahIM aatii| yaha to bilIpha vedanA hai, isalie phira nIMda A jAtI hai| roMga bilIpha hI hai sirpha / use ahaMkAra, igoiz2ama vedatA hai / praznakartA : vedanA kisa vajaha se hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : hama logoM ko vedanA dete haiM na, usI kA phala hai yh| agara kisI ko bhI vedanA deMge to vedanA dene se pahale itanA avazya mAna lenA ki vaha vedanA apane Upara hI AnevAlI hai| bhagavAna ne vaha DhU~Dha nikAlA ki yaha bahuta hI ulTA rAstA hai / usake bAda zuddha ho ge| dAdA kA aMtara nirIkSaNa 214 hama subaha nahA rahe the| yaha pAnI DAla rahA thA pITha para / to jahA~ khujalI cala rahI ho, vahA~ para agara garama pAnI z2yAdA DAlA jAe to kyA hotA hai? praznakartA : acchA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : acchA lagatA hai / phira maiMne vaha dekhaa| maiMne kahA ki 'are, yaha kyA hai?' to javAba milA ki isa zarIra para jaba garama pAnI DAlate haiM, taba isa jagaha para khujalI ke jo paramANu bhare hue haiM vAyu ke / vaha vAta (vAyu) hotA hai na, vaha 'vAta' jaba z2arA z2ora pakar3a letA hai taba khujalI

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[2.6] vedanIya karma calatI hai| loga kahate haiM ki, 'vAyu hai eka taraha kI / ' kutte pUre dina yoM karate rahate haiM na, jaba aisA hotA hai taba / taba phira zarIra hama sabhI ke eka jaise hI haiM na! to pAnI DAlane se acchA lagatA hai, mIThA lagatA hai| taba maiMne socA, 'yaha gunAha to nahIM hai? yaha mIThA kise laga rahA hai?' patA lagAyA / taba patA calA ki ahaMkAra ko mIThA laga rahA thA / kise laga rahA thA ? praznakartA : ahaMkAra ko laga rahA thaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, aura 'maiM' jAna rahA thA ki ' ahaMkAra' ko aisA laga rahA hai| to yaha mIThA kyoM lagA? usakI zodha kI ki isakA rUTa kaoNz2a kaba ghusa gayA thA? iMsAna ko kaI bAra jaba khUba ThaMDa lagatI hai na, taba use aMdara kaMpakaMpI A jAtI hai / jise kaMpakaMpI kahate haiM na, usa samaya havA aMdara ghusa jAtI hai| to vahI vAyu nikalatI hai pakakara / ataH jaba sardI meM kaMpakaMpI bhogatA hai, usa ghar3I vApasa ahaMkAra hI bhogatA hai aura usake phala svarUpa yaha ahaMkAra isameM sukha mAnatA hai / ata: yaha gunAha nahIM hai / merA kyA kahanA hai? aura phira AtmA to phira donoM hI bAra jAnakAra hai, vaha bhogatA hI nahIM hai| ajJAnI bhogatA hai / 'mujhe yaha TesTa (rasa) AyA, maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~ na !' to phira vaha bhogatA hai yA nahIM bhogatA? usase karma baMdhana hotA hai| vaha (ajJAnI) karma bA~dhatA hai aura yaha (jJAnI) karma chor3atA hai| Apane kabhI garama pAnI nahIM DAlA hai? 215 praznakartA : nahAte samaya, nahAte haiM basa utanA hI / nahAte samaya citta na jAne kahA~ ghUmatA rahatA hai, isalie patA nahIM cltaa| dAdAzrI : ohoho ! bAhara ghUmane calA jAtA hai ! hamArA to abhI bhI aMdara pratikSaNa hAz2ira hai| aMdara sArA pRthakkaraNa hotA rahatA hai aura tabhI diyA jA sakatA hai na! khuda ke anubhava kI davAI honI cAhie ! mujhe jo mAphika AI usa anubhava kI davAI Apako mAphika AegI, nahIM to AegI nahIM na! bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bhI azAtA vedanIya bhagavAna mahAvIra ko zAtA vedanIya aura azAtA vedanIya hotI thii|

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kAna meM baru (jaMgalI paudhe kI nukIlI DaMDI) DAle the| unhoMne kIleM nahIM ThokI thIM lekina baru DAle the| to ve unheM kitanI z2yAdA azAtA vedanIya dete hoMge? bhagavAna vedaka to the hii| praznakartA : bhagavAna vedaka yA bhagavAna kA zarIra vedaka, dAdA? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna bhI vedk| lekina DaoNkTara jise zarIra kahate haiM na, jitanA bhAga DaoNkTara dekha sakate haiM na, phiz2ikala baoNDI, usake lie bhI z2immedAra the bhgvaan| usa vajaha se vedanA hotI thii| praznakartA : hA~, vedanA hotI hai, isakA unheM patA bhI calatA thA lekina hama aisA to nahIM kaha sakate na ki unheM khuda ko vedanA hotI thI? dAdAzrI : asara hotA thA lekina usa ghar3I unheM z2abaradasta tapa rahatA thaa| mAnasika vedanA nahIM hotI thI unheN| vANI kI vedanA nahIM hotI thI unheN| praznakartA : yaha jo zArIrika vedanA hai usameM aura mAnasika vedanA meM kyA pharka haiM? dAdAzrI : mAnasika vedanA aisI cIz2a hai jo jJAna se khatma ho sakatI hai aura zArIrika vedanA aisI nahIM hai ki jJAna se khatma ho jaae| dAr3ha duHkhane lage to usakA asara pahu~catA hai aMta tk| praznakartA : to yaha mAnasika vedanA kisa taraha kI vedanA hotI hai? dAdAzrI : pUrA jagat mAnasika duHkhoM meM hI hai na! ina logoM ko zArIrika vedanA hai hI nhiiN| logoM ko mAnasika vedanA hI hai aura zArIrika vedanA to, agara dAr3ha duHkhane lage to bhagavAna ko bhI patA cala jAtA hai lekina ve tapa karate haiN| aMdara hRdaya lAla-lAla ho jAtA hai| vaha bhI unheM khuda ko dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : lekina zarIra to kaSTa bhogatA hai na? dAdAzrI : zarIra bhogatA hai lekina bhoktA vahIM para hai| taba ahaMkAra

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[2.6] vedanIya karma 217 bhogatA hai| use bhI ve khuda jAnate hI the| usa zAtA vedanIya meM ve rasa (ruci) nahIM lete the isalie azAtA meM bhI unheM koI ruci nahIM rhtii| vaha to sirpha unake jJAna meM hI rahatA hai| veda arthAt vedana karanA, duHkha bhoganA aura jaannaa| veda arthAt 'TU no,' jaannaa| veda kA artha hai duHkha ko bhogane se lekara jAnane tk| jitane-jitane greDezana (sopAna) hote haiM, utane greddeshn| usa ghar3I tapa rahatA hai unheM, jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa, lekina vaha bhI sirpha kevalajJAna hone tk| kevalajJAna hone ke bAda to kucha bhI nahIM rhtaa| ebsolyUTa ho gyaa| ebsolyUTa ko kucha sparza hI nahIM krtaa| mahAvIra bhagavAna ko jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM huA thA, tabhI taka una para vedanA pdd'ii| praznakartA : lekina aisA kahate haiM na ki kevalajJAna hone ke bAda bhI unhoMne vedanA aura kaSTa to kaIM sahana kie the! dAdAzrI : ve sabhI kaSTa zarIra ko hue the, zarIra ko zAtA-azAtA rahatI thI lekina unheM sparza nahIM hotA thaa| unheM tapa nahIM karanA par3atA thaa| unheM sahaja hI jJAna-darzana va cAritra rahate the| abhI to Apake mAnasika duHkha bhI miTa gae haiM lekina deha ke duHkha to Apako sparza karate haiN| dAr3ha du:khane lage yA sira duHkhane lage taba, Apako asukha hue bagaira nahIM rahatA kyoMki phiz2ikala baoNDI hai| jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka ebsolyUTa ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : jo bhogavalI karma (bhogane hI par3e aise anivArya karma) haiM ve tIrthaMkaroM ko bhI nahIM chor3ate, to ve kaise karma haiM? dAdAzrI : kisI ko bhI nahIM chodd'te| praznakartA : tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dhate haiM aura sAtha meM bhogavalI karma bhI bA~dhate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, usameM to kucha calegA hI nahIM na! yA to zAtA, yA ashaataa| tIrthaMkaroM ko zAtA aura azAtA donoM hI hote haiN| donoM hI udaya

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218 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) meM rahate haiN| usake bhogavaTe (sukha yA du:kha kA asara, bhugatanA) meM pharka hotA hai| logoM ko aisA lagatA hai ki inheM duHkha hai| loga mujhe dekhate haiM ki 'dAdA ko bukhAra AyA hai, lekina maiM sirpha udaya ko jAna rahA hotA hU~, bhogavaTe ko bhI maiM jAna rahA hotA huuN| ataH zAtA-azAtA to tIrthaMkaroM ke udaya meM bhI rahate haiN| praznakartA : zAtA-azAtA ko kaba taka vedate haiM? dAdAzrI : kevalajJAna ho jAe taba tk| kevalajJAna hone ke bAda zAtA-azAtA vedanIya kA asara nahIM hotA, bilkula bhI nhiiN| zarIra ko zAtA-azAtA vedanIya to rahatI hai| sardI ho to deha ko ThaMDa bhI lagatI hai na, lekina khuda use nahIM vedte| kitane hI mAmaloM meM to hama bhI nahIM vedte| dAdA, vedanIya ke udaya ke samaya isIlie hameM DaoNkTara ne kahA thA na, yaha jo phrekcara huA taba sabhI DaoNkTara ikaTThe ho gae the| DaoNkTara kaha rahe the, 'itanA bar3A phrekcara huA hai phira bhI isa vyakti ke cehare para yaha hAsya kyoM dikha rahA hai?' taba dUsare DaoNkTaroM ne (mahAtmAoM) kahA ki 'ye jJAnIpuruSa haiM! aisA mata bolnaa| jJAnIpuruSa haiM isalie hAsya dikha rahA hai!' nahIM to inakA ceharA laTaka jAtA yA phira ro rahe hote yA to ronI sUrata dikhtii| yaha hAsya to dekho! pacAsasau loga to AsapAsa rahate the| taba mujhe pUchA, 'yaha kyA hai? itanA saba Apa sahana kaise kara sakate haiM?' maiMne kahA, 'hameM sahana nahIM karanA hotaa|' donoM hI prakAra kI vedanIya rahatI haiM, kisI ko bhI sirpha zAtA vedanIya nahIM rahA hai lekina hameM vedanIya veda ke rUpa meM hotA hai, jAnane ke rUpa meM hotA hai| phira bhI hamane duHkha nahIM dekhA hai, eka sekanDa bhI nhiiN| cAhe kabhI bhI deha chUTa jAegI, aisA ho gayA ho yA bhale hI kucha bhI huA ho lekina hamane azAtA vedanIya bahuta nahIM dekhI hai! veda ke rUpa meM rahe haiM / use jAnate z2arUra haiM ki aba aisA ho rahA hai| hAlAMki kudaratI aisA hai ki azAtA vedanIya bahuta AtI hI nahIM haiN| bahuta huA to dAMta kI azAtA vedanIya A jAtI hai|

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[2.6] vedanIya karma 219 praznakartA : khA~sI vagairaha AtI hai| dAdAzrI : khA~sI ko to maiM upakArI mAnatA huuN| acchA huA, rAta ko jagAtI hai na! aisI hamArI icchA hai ki hameM rAta ko jAganA hai| jaise bhI ho sake vaise jAgRta rahanA hai, aisI icchA hai| vaha to balki jagAe rakhatI hai, isalie maiMne ise guNakArI mAnA huA hai| jise guNakArI mAneM usakI vajaha se du:kha hotA hI nahIM hai na! hA~, jaba dAr3ha duHkhatI hai taba aisA hotA hai| aura abhI tIna dina ke lie kaccha gayA thA taba livara kA darda zurU ho gayA thaa| taba azAtA-vedanIya utpanna ho gaI thI lekina vedanIya ko 'maiM' basa jAna rahA thA, basa itanA hii| praznakartA : darda nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : darda hotA hai lekina 'AtmA' ko kucha nahIM hotaa| ataH jaba taka 'hama' 'Atma svabhAva' meM raheM, taba taka koI asara nahIM hotaa| darda to hotA hai| tIna dinoM taka rahA thA, rAta ko nIMda bhI nahIM AI thI tIna dinoM tk| aMdara se jagate rahate the, palabhara ko so jAte the| 'dAdA baiThe hue haiM,' aisA 'hama' jAnA karate the| vedanIya to tIrthaMkaroM ko bhI rahatI hai, to phira aura kise nahIM hogI? lekina unameM azAtA kama rahatI hai| hamArA dekho na, yaha mahInA aisA AyA ki dAdA kA eksiDenTa kA TAima aayaa| phira yaha A gayA! jaise dIyA bujhanevAlA ho na, aisA ho gyaa| praznakartA : aisA kucha nahIM hogA daadaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| hIrA bA cale gae to kyA ye nahIM jAe~ge? yaha to kauna sA vedanIya AyA? praznakartA : azAtA vedniiy| dAdAzrI : loga samajhate haiM ki hameM azAtA vedanIya hai lekina vedanIya hameM sparza nahIM karatA, tIrthaMkaroM ko bhI sparza nahIM krtaa| hameM to hIrA bA ke jAne kA kheda nahIM hai, hama para asara hI nahIM hotA na! kaI logoM

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220 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ko aisA lagatA hai ki hama para vedanIya AI, hameM to azAtA vedanIya ne eka minaTa, eka sekanDa ke lie bhI sparza nahIM kiyA hai ina tIsa sAloM se! aura vahI vijJAna maiMne Apako diyA hai aura Apa agara kacce par3o to vaha aapkaa| samajha meM kacce nahIM par3anA cAhie na kabhI bhI? eka minaTa ke lie bhI nahIM? taba tU sahI hai! tere bhogavaTe ko 'tU' jAna yaha to taya hI hai ki isa bhAI ko itanI azAtA hogI aura zAtA itanI hI hogI, yaha DisAiDeDa rahatA hai| phira bhI phira bhI azAtA kie bagaira rahatA nahIM hai vh| idhara se udhara loTa lagAtA hai, idhara se udhara loTa lagAtA hai lekina azAtA karatA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, vaha to agara jJAna nahIM huA ho, tabhI na? Apake jJAna dene ke bAda to calA gayA na sabakucha? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to saba calA gyaa| yaha to bAta kara rahe haiN| vaha roe, cir3he, vaha aise kare, lekina yadi aisA bhAna rahe ki 'AtmA ke taura para maiM judA hU~,' to basa ho gyaa| 'maiM caMdU nahIM huuN|' kisI bhI prakAra se 'maiM caMdU nahIM huuN|' agara zAtA vedanA ho to zAtA meM to logoM ko aisA hI rahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdU hU~,' lekina 'vaha' 'caMdU' nahIM hai aisA kaba pakkA hotA hai? azAtA hotI hai tb| ataH vAstava meM 'caMdU' nahIM hai, vaha bAta pakkI ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : usake bAda vaha sthiti rahatI hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : phira jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM rahatA na! nirAlaMba ko nahIM chUtI vedanIya jaise-jaise AtmA kA anubhava bar3hatA jAtA hai, taba phira vedanIya ko bhI vaha jAnatA hai, 'yaha kar3avA hai, yaha mIThA hai|' veda arthAt kyA? kar3ave kI vedanIya use nahIM hotii| isakA matalaba kar3avA, lagatA to kar3avA hI

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[2.6] vedanIya karma 221 hai lekina usase azAtA nahIM hotii| mIThA, mIThA hI lagatA hai lekina zAtA nahIM lgtii| kar3ave ko kar3avA jAnatA hai aura mIThe ko mIThA jAnatA hai basa! usI ko kahate haiM ved| praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha to, jaba svarUpa meM lInatA ho jAe taba na? ekadama niraMtara upayoga svarUpa meM rahe, taba hotA hai na? aba jaba taka saMpUrNa sukha svabhAva kA AlaMbana nahIM hai, taba taka zAtA-azAtA meM thor3A bahuta bhogavaTA rahegA hI na? dAdAzrI : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' yaha zabdAvalaMbana hai| tabhI se 'use' pratIti, lakSa (jAgRti) aura anubhava kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| aura vahA~ se bar3hate, bar3hate, bar3hate, bar3hate, bar3hate, bar3hate saMpUrNa nirAlaMba hone taka jAtA hai| taba taka kA jo AtmAnubhava hai, usameM pharka nahIM hai| vedanIya kA vedana karane meM pharka hai| usake anubhava meM pharka nahIM hai| _ 'maiM zuddhAtmA hI hU~,' yahI hai prtiiti| lekina usase vedanIya meM pharka par3atA hai| jaise-jaise aMdara avalaMbana kama hote jAe~ge, nirAlaMba hotA jAegA na, taba phira vedanIya sparza nahIM kregaa| jaba taka avalaMbana hai, tabhI taka vedanIya sparza karatA hai!

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[2.7] nAmakarma citragupta nahIM, lekina nAmakarma kA gupta citra aba chaThA batA rahA huuN| aba yaha jo 'maiM caMdU, maiM caMdU' nAma hai, yaha nAmakarma hai| nAma caMdUbhAI, maiM injIniyara, maiM gorA, maiM kAlA, maiM sA~valA, maiM bhaMgA, maiM moTA, maiM patalA, maiM yaha hU~, vaha hU~, ye saba nAmakarma haiN| aba, dravyakarma eka hI hai lekina usake ATha bhAga haiN| to yaha hai nAmarUpa karma / arthAt rUpa-raMga dikhatA hai, yaha jo Diz2Aina-viz2Aina vagairaha saba dikhatA hai, vaha nAmakarma hai| phira nAmarUpa usakA nAma hai aura yaha sArA svarUpa, yaha jo deha kA AkAra hai vh| praznakartA : arthAt hiMduoM meM jo citragupta kI bahI kahalAtI hai ki unake pAsa itanI sArI bahiyA~ hotI haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, para vaha to, citragupta hI haiM na sabhI! praznakartA : sArA gupta rUpa se citrita kiyA hai| dAdAzrI : vyakti nhiiN| yaha to jo zarIra gar3hatA hai na, vaha kauna hai? citrakAra hai, nAmakarma rUpI citrakAra hai vh| isa prakAra yaha eka taraha kA hisAba hai| nAmakarma rUpI citrkaar| vaha jaisI Diz2Aina gar3hatA hai, usI anusAra zarIra banatA hai| gar3hane ke lie kisI aura ko nahIM AnA pdd'taa| apane Apa hii| isa jagat meM kisI ko kucha karanA par3e, aisA nahIM hai| jagat kisase cala rahA hai? to kahate haiM ki svabhAva se cala rahA hai| kitane hI logoM ne kalpanAe~ kI haiM ki brahmA gar3hate haiM yaha saba / koI

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[2.7] nAmakarma 223 bApa bhI gar3hane nahIM jaataa| apane Apa hI citraNa ho jAtA hai| bhAva meM se citrnn| nAmakarma hai na, vaha citraNa hI karatA rahatA hai| rUpa vagairaha, sabakucha nAmakarma karatA rahatA hai| aba phira isa nAma karma meM bhI bahuta karma haiN| aisA zarIra, aisI haDDiyA~, aisA sira, aisI A~kheM, aisI parsanAliTI vagairaha bahuta taraha ke haiN| yaha sabhI kucha jo hai, vaha isa momabattI meM hai| saba milAkara ise nAmakarma kahA hai, nAma dravyakarma! zarIra milA, vaha bhI nAmakarma se praznakartA : haaN| to kyA isameM kucha pUrva saMcita hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, pUrva saMcita / nAmakarma kA matalaba jo seTala ho cukA hai| nAmakarma arthAt citArA (citrita kiyA huA) karma kahalAtA hai| yAnI ki Diz2Aina vagairaha sabakucha usI kaa| anya kisI karma kA nahIM hai yh| kapAla itanA bar3A, kAna aise itane bar3e, nAka bar3A, aMga-upAMga vagairaha, sArI Diz2Aina usake hAtha meM hai| ata: Diz2Ainara kahate haiM ise, nAmakarma ko| Apako samajha meM AyA na ki nAmakarma kyA karatA hogA? ina sabhI ke nAka alaga-alaga hote haiM yA eka hI taraha ke hote haiM? praznakartA : alg-alg| dAdAzrI : to kyA ye sA~ce meM se nikAlI huI nahIM haiN| kyA bApa jaisI hI nAka hotI hai? yadi sabhI kI bApa jaisI hotI to aisA lagatA ki eka hI sA~ce meM DhAlI gaI hai| lekina aisA nahIM hai| yaha jo nAmakarma hai, vaha sA~ce ko gar3hatA hai| alaga-alaga nAmakarma aura alaga-alaga saaNce| yadi eka hI taraha ke loga hote na, to na jAne kauna kisa ke ghara meM ghusa jAtA aura kauna kisa ke ghara meM ghusa jAtA hai, koI ThikAnA hI nahIM rhtaa| eka hI taraha ke nahIM haiM na? khuda ke mA~-bApa turaMta DhU~Dha letA hai na? vAipha ko turaMta DhU~Dha letA hai na, haz2abenDa ko turaMta hI DhU~Dha letI hai na? yaha ceharA-veharA vagairaha saba, yaha zarIra dravyakarma hI hai| nahIM to phira

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) I aura kyA hai? ye nAmakarma vagairaha saba dravyakarma kahalAte haiM / nAma-rUpa vagairaha saba dravyakarma kahalAte haiM / phira ye yaza nAmakarma, apayaza nAmakarma, Adeya nAmakarma vagairaha ye sabhI dravyakarma haiM aura koI yaza mile yA apayaza mile to vaha nokarma nahIM hai / koI mAna mile, apamAna mile vaha nokarma nahIM hai| ve sabhI dravyakarma haiM / 224 AtmahatyA karatA hai na, vaha bhI nAmakarma hai| khuda AtmahatyA karatA hai na, vaha bhI nAmakarma ke AdhAra para karatA hai / kitanI saiddhAMtika bAta hai / nahIM? AghAta nAmakarma, parAghAta nAmakarma / aura kisa-kisako mAregA, vaha hisAba lekara AyA hai| khuda AtmahatyA kara legA, vaha bhii| aise saba nAmakarma vagairaha bahuta sArI cIjeM lekara AyA hai| aura ye nAmakarma to bahuta taraha ke haiM / isa zarIra ko jo nAma milA vaha bhI nAmakarma hai| yaha zarIra laMbA ho to bhI nAmakarma, ThiganA ho to bhI naamkrm| ThiganA ho taba loga kyA kahate haiM ki 'DhAI hAtha kA hai / ' laMbA ho taba kahate haiM, 'bahuta laMbA hai, bahuta bevakUpha hai|' agara laMbA ho to bevakUpha kahate haiM, ThiganA ho to DhAI hAtha kA kahate haiN| to bhAI, maiM rahU~ kahA~? to kahate haiM, 'kama TU da noNrml| naoNrmala hogA to hama kucha nahIM kheNge| sAr3he pA~ca phuTa kI hAiTa hogI to hameM parezAnI nahIM hai|' praznakartA : lekina DhAI hAthavAle ke lakSaNa ? dAdAzrI : DhAI hAthavAle kA lakSaNa ye loga kyA batAte haiM ki DhAI hatthA, DhAI kA Der3ha gunA, paune cAra phuTa laMbA hai / cAra phuTavAle ko bhI hama DhAI hAthavAlA kahate haiM, lekina aura kyA? to kahate haiM, Der3ha phuTa z2amIna ke nIce hai| praznakartA : arthAt khuda kI hAiTa usane isa taraha se pUrI kii| dAdAzrI : vaha muA saba ke sAtha chala-kapaTa karake apanI jeba meM DAla de, aisA hotA hai / isIlie DhAI hatthe kI logoM ne niMdA kI hai na! yaha DhAI hatthA hai muA, vahA~ mata jaanaa| I

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[2.7] nAmakarma 225 praznakartA : ataH laMbe AdamI ko mUrkha kahA aura ise luccA khaa| dAdAzrI : laMbA vyakti mUrkha banA, isIlie yaha luccA bnaa| praznakartA : hA~, yoM vApasa hai rilettivittii| dAdAzrI : hA~, rileTiviTI hai na! abava naoNrmala ho jAe to ThiganA hotA jAtA hai aura bilo naoNrmala laMbA hotA jAtA hai| DhAI hatthA bahuta Thosa hotA hai| loga pahale DhAI hatthe se ghabarAte the| abhI to yaha kAla acchA hai| becAre DhAI hatthevAle hote hI nahIM na! are, sabhI laMbe, laMbe, laMbe balki sAr3he pA~ca phuTa se z2yAdA, paune chaH vagairaha, saba aisI haaittvaale| haiM z2arA bevakUpha haiM, lekina kahane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai kyoMki yaha acchA hai, bevakUpha acchaa| bahuta pakkA iMsAna ho na, to makAna vagairaha sabakucha pakkA rakhatA hai| vahA~ para itanA pakkA kiyA hotA hai ki vahA~ mokSa usa taka na pahu~ca paaeN| ye bevakUpha chor3a dete haiM, inheM agara rAstA mila jAe to dera hI nahIM lgegii| phira, ye jo paira kI u~galiyA~ haiM na, ve kucha logoM kI to aisI bher3abakariyoM jaisI hotI haiM, jAnavara jaisI hotI haiM, aisA saba hotA hai| yoM aMgaupAMga sabhI eka sarIkhe nahIM hote| kucha logoM ke to aise cipake hae hote haiN| are bhAI, kyoM cipaka gae? apane inDiyanoM kI kAna kI lolakiyA~ (kAna kA vaha hissA jisameM bUTiyA~ pahanI jAtI haiM) laMbI hotI haiM kyoMki ve mokSa meM jAnevAle haiN| jo loga mokSa jAnevAle nahIM haiM aura hRdayamArgI haiM, unakI bhI lolakiyA~ laMbI hotI haiN| jaisI ApakI haiM, hila rahI haiM, aisI honI caahie| phaoNrena meM to minisTara kI bhI yoM cipakI huI hotI haiN| praznakartA : lekina dAdAjI, kisI ke kAna bar3e hote haiM, hAtha bar3e hote haiM, aisA bhI hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : yadi kAna bar3e haiM to isakA matalaba kyA hai ki jinake bar3e kAna haiM, ve sAdhu hoM to sAdhupane meM z2abaradasta AkAMkSAvAlA aura saMsAra meM ho to saMsAra meM AkAMkSA lekina usake lie itane-itane bar3e-bar3e kAna hote haiM usake aura apane tIrthaMkaroM ke itane bar3e-bar3e kAna hote haiN| aise loga mileMge hI kahA~? Ajakala to itane choTe-choTe hote haiN|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) mahatvakAMkSA pUrI karane ke lie to usakI phAunDezana banAtA hai| bahuta pakkA hotA hai vaha / jisa lAina meM ho usa lAina meM mahatvAkAMkSI / dharma meM ho to dharma meM mahatvAkAMkSI aura saMsAra meM ho to saMsAra meM mhtvaakaaNkssii| praznakartA : yaha samajhAie na / phAunDezana kisa taraha maz2abUta karatA 226 hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina dharma meM ho to dharma meM karatA hai aura saMsAra meM ho to saMsAra kA karatA hai / dharma meM ho to, are ! vaha, subaha - subaha pA~casAta sAdhuoM ke darzana kara AtA hai, phalAnA kara AtA hai, pA~ca-dasa jagaha para maMdiroM meM darzana kara AtA hai, aisA kara AtA hai, vaisA kara AtA hai / aisA saba kara AtA hai| hara prakAra se bahuta pakkA hotA hai vaha to / sabhI phAunDezana maz2abUta kara detA hai / phira cinAI hotI rahatI hai dinoM-dina aura aMta meM vaha taiyAra kara detA hai / aura kucha logoM ke kAna moTe hote haiM na, ve sabhI vyavahAra meM bahuta satarka rahate haiN| mauja-maz2e karanA aura AnaMda karanA aura maz2e karanA, basa isake lie paise ikaTThe karate haiM, saMsAra sukha bhogane ke lie| aMdara kitanI hI prakAra kI icchAe~ rahatI haiM I isa kAla meM kAna aura nAka dekhane yogya nahIM haiN| kAna bhI itaneitane cipake hue hote haiM aura nAka bhI itane itane cipake hue hote haiN| z2arA samajhadAra ho jAe~ aura isa tarapha mur3eM to hameM samajhanA cAhie ki bahuta acchA huA bhAI / praznakartA : kisI kA ceharA dekhakara Apa usakI pUrI-pUrI sTaDI kareM to patA cala jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nA, hama kahA~ dekhane jAe~ aisA sb| isa kAla ke logoM ke cehare dekhane jaise haiM hI nahIM / aMga-upAMga saba bahuta yoM ekz2ekTa phiTanesa lAe~, aise / gappa nahIM

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[2.7] nAmakarma 227 hotii| kahIM gappa hotI hogI? yaha vItarAgoM kI kaisI bAta hai! aklamaMdIvAlI bAta!! usake bAda yaha jo zarIra hai, nAma rUpa vaha bhI dravyakarma hai lekina isase koI parezAnI nahIM hai, zarIra se| vaha (ulTI dRSTi) khatma ho jAnI caahie| jo ulTA dekhatA hai na, usake AdhAra para yaha saba khar3A hotA hai isalie rUTa kaoNz2a khatma ho jAnA caahie| praznakartA : isa bhrAMti kI zuruAta kyA nAmakarma se hotI hai, dAdA? dAdAzrI : nAmakarma se bhrAMti kI zuruAta hotI hai| nAma par3ate hI bhrAMti kI zuruAta ho gii| koI bhI nAma par3A jaise kAI yA gulAba, tabhI se bhrAMti kI zuruAta ho gii| mahAvIra bhagavAna kA kaisA nAmakarma praznakartA : bahuta sTroMgalI(z2ora dekara) aisA kahate haiM ki acchA gotra milanA, acchI kIrti milanA, acchA zarIra milanA va vedanIya bhI pUrvajanma ke karma hoM, tabhI milatI hai| pUrvajanma ke nAmakarma hoM tabhI milatA hai, usake binA nahIM mila sktaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM mila sktaa| yadi aMdara nAma, gotra vagairaha ke lakSaNa acche hoM, tabhI milate haiN| chappana prakAra ke lakSaNa, ve sabhI prakAra ke lakSaNa acche haiM, aura tIrthaMkaroM kI to bAta hI alaga hai aura Upara se tIrthaMkara naamkrm| tIrthaMkara pada nAmakarma aura gotrakarma donoM meM AtA hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna kA nAmakarma kaisA hogA! the bahuta hI rUpavAna / dekhate hI dila meM ThaMDaka ho jAe? sirpha dekhane se hI dila ko ThaMDaka ho jaae| ve kyA hIre ke bane hue the? hIre se bhI dila ko ThaMDaka nahIM hotii| itanA bar3A hIrA dekheM to thor3I dera ke lie dekhane kA mana hotA hai| bAda meM kucha bhI nhiiN| isameM to apanA mana TUTatA hI nahIM kabhI bhii| dekhate hI rahane kA mana hotA hai, unakI lAvaNyatA itanI adhika, suMdaratA! tIrthaMkara kyA yoM hI bana jAtA hai koI? pUrI duniyA kA nUra A jAtA hai eka vyakti meM!

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228 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aura abhI to sabhI nUravAloM ko dekho na, hara jagaha kitane hI ghUmate haiM na! nahIM? manA kara rahA hai na? do guNa, eka nAmakarma acchA honA cAhie aura dUsarA bhAva acche hone cAhie, to hama jAna jAe~ge ki asala khAnadAnI haiN| kisI meM donoM hI (guNa) hoM to usakA khAnadAnIpana pahacAnA jAtA hai| bagaira nAmakarma kA sArA hI bhAva bekAra hai| nAmakarma kI to bhagavAna ne bhI tArIpha kI hai| unheM nAmakarma kaba milatA hai? kitane ucca prakAra ke karma bA~dhe hoM, taba aisA nAmakarma utpanna hotA hai| __ Adeya-anAdeya nAmakarma nAmakarma ke to bahuta prakAra haiN| Adeya naamkrm| agara Adeya nAmakarma ho to jaba ye sAhaba kahIM jAe~ to ghara meM ghusane se pahale to ghara ke sabhI loga kahate haiM, 'are! padhArie, padhArie, padhArie, pdhaarie|' abhI to ghara meM ghuse bhI nahIM hai aura sIr3hiyA~ car3ha rahe haiM, usase pahale to ghara ke sabhI loga 'padhAro, padhAro' kahate haiN| are, aisA kyA hai lekina? Adeya nAmakarma lekara Ae haiN| hamAre pAsa yaha sAmAna bhI hai| usake sAmane anAdeya nAmakarma bhI hotA hai vaaps| arthAt agara koI seTha ho, aura unakA sAlA Ae na, aba tIna mahIne bAda AyA hai becArA, phira bhI sIr3hiyA~ car3hate samaya koI aisA nahIM kahatA ki 'aaie'| vaha apane Apa hI ghara meM A jAtA hai| pacAsa sAla kI umra, kahanA to cAhie na ki 'bhAI, Ao?' paccIsa sAla kA ho to bhI kahanA par3atA hai 'bhAI, aao|' lekina aisA bolate nahIM haiN| bhAI vahA~ sIdhe jAte haiN| to isake pIche kyA isa seTha kA roga hai? to kahate haiM, 'nahIM bhAI! to kahate haiM terA hI anAdeya roga hai, yaha seTha Ter3hA nahIM hai| inakA kyoM Adeya kiyA?' seTha ko svArthI kaho yA cAhe kucha bhI kaho lekina mUla roga to terA hai, yaha anaadey| arthAt isa dravyakarma meM jo hai, usameM apanA kula-jAti vagairaha sabakucha A gyaa| hama jahA~ bhI jAe~, vahA~ aadey| hama kisI bhI jagaha para, bacapana meM bhI Adeya nAmakarma ke binA nahIM rahe haiM kyoMki pahale se hI nispRha !

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[2.7] nAmakarma 229 kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM, propkaarii| sabhI prakAra ke guNa aise hI the na islie| isa janma ke guNa nahIM haiM, pichale janma ke guNoM se yaha Adeya nAmakarma chapa cukA hai| Adeya nAmakarma, arthAt vaha jahA~ jAe, vahA~ loga use 'Aie padhArie, Aie padhArie, Aie padhArie' kahate haiN| anjAna jagaha para jAe, vahA~ para bhI 'Aie padhArie' kahate haiN| hama jaMgala meM gae hoM to hamAre sAthavAle to sabhI daMga raha jAte haiN| are, ise kyA kaheMge? yaha vyakti Apake lie yahA~ para gaddI le AyA? bhale hI vaha kitanI bhI phaTI-TUTI ho lekina aisI jagaha para jahA~ kucha bhI na mile, pattA bhI na mile aisA ho| maiMne kahA, 'yahI Adeya nAmakarma hai|' jahA~ dekho vahA~ sattA hotI hai, Age se aage| hAlAMki agara mujhe nahIM bulAe~ to mujhe koI parezAnI nahIM hai| lekina dUsare saba pATIdAroM ko to bukhAra car3ha jAtA hai| jAe~ge hI nahIM na ve| praznakartA : lekina saba ko aisA hI hai| 'Aie' kaheM to sabhI ko acchA lagatA hai na! dAdAzrI : kahIM para Ava-bhagata nahIM, Adara nahIM to vahA~ phira hameM to loga avazya hI 'Aie, Aie' kahate haiM, kyoMki hama AdeyamAna kahalAte haiN| AdeyamAna arthAt kyA ki hama cAhe kahIM bhI jAe~, iMdirA gAMdhI ke vahA~ jAe~ aura bAhara biThAyA ho lekina jaba aMdara unake sAmane jAe~ aura ve hameM dekheM to dekhate hI, 'Aie padhArie, padhArie, padhArie' kheNgii| pahale nAma sune taba mana meM aisA hotA hai ki 'pdhaarie'| phira to 'Aie padhArie, Aie pdhaarie|' itanI gadagada ho jAe~ aura agara unake parivAra ke koI pArasI Ae~, to unheM aise nahIM bulaaeNgii| do tIna sAla meM AyA ho, phira bhI yahA~ aMdara Ae to nahIM bulaaeNgii| vaha anAdeya nAmakarma lekara AyA hai| hama kaheM ki, 'ye seTha Ae haiN|' taba bhI ve unheM na bulaaeN| yaha to, karmoM ke khela dekhane meM maz2A AtA hai| karma kyA-kyA karate haiM, usake bAre meM kyA kaha sakate haiM? aise kaI taraha-taraha ke karma hote haiN|

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230 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) yaza-apayaza nAmakarma phira nAmakarma ke sAtha yazanAma karma hotA hai / yazanAma karma arthAt koI bhale hI kitane bhI cakkara lagAe aura phira hama se kahegA 'maiM unake lie itanA karatA hU~, phira bhI mujhe apayaza dete haiN|' are bhAI, tU lekara AyA hai apayaza isalie apayaza hI deMge na ! tU bhale hI kitane bhI cakkara lagA, phira bhI apayaza hI milegA tujhe / tujhe yaza nahIM milegA / aura yadi koI yazanAma karma lekara AyA hogA na, to kucha bhI nahIM kiyA hogA, phira bhI use yaza milatA rahegA / ataH vaha jo lekara AyA hai, vahI milegA na ! praznakartA : dUsare saMtoM kI taraha Apake pAsa bhI kitane hI camatkAroM kI ghaTanAe~ maiMne dekhI haiM / kucha kA to mujhe khuda ko bhI anubhava huA hai| jinhoMne Apako kabhI dekhA bhI nahIM hotA, phira bhI una logoM ko ApakI phoTo para se aise kaI camatkAroM kA anubhava hotA hai| to aisA kyA hai Apake pAsa ? I dAdAzrI : mere pAsa camatkAra hai hI nahIM / maiM koI jAdUgara nahIM hU~ / maiM to aise camatkAra karatA hI nahIM / praznakartA : to aisA kaise hotA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnIpuruSa haiM, isalie hamArA yazanAma karma bahuta bar3A hai| sirpha hAtha lagA deM, taba bhI sAmanevAle kA kAma ho jAtA hai aura kahatA hai 'dAdA ne yaha kara diyA / ' maiMne nahIM kiyA hotA, sirpha hAtha lagAne se kAma ho jAtA hai| aura apayaza nAmakarma kA matalaba kyA hai? Apa kAma karo to bhI apayaza milatA hai, aura maiM kucha bhI nahIM karU~ phira bhI yaza milatA rahatA hai| maiM kucha karatA nahIM huuN| binA bAta ke loga yaza dete rahate haiM, vaha eka taraha kA yazanAma karma hai aura loga ise camatkAra mAnate haiM / camatkAra jaisI cIz2a isa duniyA meM hai hI nahIM / usakI maiM haMDreDa parasenTa gAranTI detA huuN| praznakartA : Apa aisA kahate haiM, vahI saba se bar3A camatkAra hai / bAkI saba to pUrA zreya le lete haiM ki hA~ hamane....... 1

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[2.7] nAmakarma 231 dAdAzrI : aise saba logoM meM kucha svArtha rahA huA hai, koI na koI svArtha rahA huA hai| maiM to pyora, jo hai vahI phekTa bAta kahane AyA huuN| maiM to jo 'hai' use 'nahIM hai' aisA nahIM khtaa| jo 'nahIM hai' use 'hai,' aisA kabhI bhI mere mu~ha se nahIM boltaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, jo saMtapuruSa hote haiM aura unake pAsa aisI siddhi hotI hai ki kisI ko yoM hI kRpA se ThIka kara dete haiM to vaha kyA ahaMkAra se hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to aisA hai na ki saMtapuruSoM meM hamezA yaza rekhA hotI hai| vo yaza bahuta bar3A hotA hai| hara kisI kI kSamatA ke anusAra yaha yaza kAma karatA rahatA hai| kisI meM apayaza hotA hai aura kisI meM yaza hotA hai| vaha yaza itanA adhika kAma karatA hai, ki unake hAtha lagAte hI kAma ho jAtA hai sAmanevAle kaa| use yazanAma karma kahate haiN| bAkI to iMsAna kucha kara sake aisA hai hI nahIM, jJAniyoM se kucha bhI nahIM ho sakatA na ! praznakartA : nahIM, lekina kaI saMtapuruSa aise hote haiM ki ve khuda kI kRpA se dUsaroM kA roga miTA dete haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha jo kRpA hai, vahI yazanAma karma hai| vaha jisake pAsa hai, usI ke pAsa hai, saba ke pAsa nahIM hotii| praznakartA : jise upalabdha huA ho, usI ke pAsa hotI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, hamAre pAsa aisA kucha nahIM hai| hameM to sirpha itanA hI hai ki sabhI prakAra kA yaza hai hii| isalie tU apanI taraha se letA rahanA nAma, to terA ho jAegA kAma! hameM isameM koI lenA-denA nahIM hai aura yazanAma karma pUrA-pUrA hai| kucha bhI nahIM kiyA ho to bhI yaza yahA~ Akara khar3A rahatA hai| mujhe yaza nahIM cAhie phira bhI yaza to A jAtA hai| kyoMki nAmakarma bahuta ucca lAyA huuN| Adeya nAmakarma, yaza nAmakarma vagairaha sabhI prakAra ke nAmakarma ucca lekara AyA huuN| ataH apane loga kahate haiM, 'dAdA, Apa to bahuta taraha ke camatkAra

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) karate haiN| hamArA aisA ho gayA aura Apane vaha kiyA usake bAda se hamArA vaisA ho gayA hai na!' maiMne kahA, 'are bhAI, yadi maiM camatkAra kara sakatA, to mujhe khuda ko hI zvAsa car3hatA hai, to kyA maiM use nahIM miTA detA?" 232 I eka bAra hamAre bhAdaraNa gA~va meM gayA thA to eka bayAsI sAla ke cAcA the, ve bahuta bhakti bhAvavAle the| to ve mujhe dekhate hI ullAsa meM A jAte the, bayAsI sAla kI umra meM bhI / phira aisA patA calA ki 'maiM gA~va meM AyA hU~' to unake mana meM huA ki 'maiM ghara meM baiThA rahU~gA to mujhe unakA ceharA dekhane meM dera lagegI' isalie rAste ke bIca meM baiThe rahe / tAki hamAre galI meM pahu~cate hI unheM darzana ho jAe~ na ! itane adhika bhAvavAle to phira maiM vahA~ para gayA to mere paira pakar3a lie, 'dAdA bhagavAna, dAdA bhagavAna!' taba maiMne aise kiyA, aise| pITha thapakAne se kyA huA ki jaise eka kahAvata hai, havA calane se khaparaila girI aura use dekhakara kuttA bhoMkA / lekina unheM kyA huA ki bAraha sAla se unheM pITha kA jo darda thA, vaha dUsare dina se hI miTa gyaa| to unhoMne pUre gA~va meM batA diyA ki 'dAdA ne merA bAraha sAla kA darda miTA diyA, eka thapakI lagAte hii|' isase phira gA~va ke loga mere yahA~ Ane lge| aura khAsa taura para jo dabAva DAla sakate the, ve jaldI A ge| mujhe kahane lage ki 'merA itanA to kara hI diijie| maiMne kahA, 'Apa samajho to shii| jaba merA julAba aTaka jAtA hai, taba maiM phAkI letA huuN| taba jAkara utaratA hai| isalie yaha to vaha..... I praznakartA : kaue kA baiThanA aura DAla kA giranA.... dAdAzrI : hA~, hA~, basa / hamane to eka bAra thapakI lagAI aura usakA aisA honA thA, vaha ho gayA / yazanAma karma arthAt yaza milatA hai| kucha bhI na kare, phira bhI inheM yaza milatA hai| aura phira kitane hI logoM kA apayaza nAmakarma hotA hai / to ve ApakA sau bAra kAma kareM, taba bhI Apa kahate ho ki 'nahIM, vaha kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai mere lie / ' aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? Apake sarvasva duHkha mujhe sauMpa jAo, phira agara yAda nahIM karoge to Apake pAsa nahIM Ae~ge, usakI maiM gAranTI detA hU~ / Apa yAda karoge

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[2.7] nAmakarma 233 to ve vApasa A jAe~ge kyoMki yazanAma karma lekara AyA huuN| hAtha lagAte hI kAma ho jAtA hai| niber3A A jAtA hai sabhI kA / yazanAma karma nahIM hoM to logoM ko ulajhana ho jAe, becAroM ko ! praznakartA : yazanAma karma to Apa bahuta lekara Ae haiN| dAdAzrI : maiM bhI dekhatA hU~ na aura tabhI to ina logoM ko zAMti rahatI hai, varnA kaise rahe aise duSamakAla meM, duHkha - mukhya kAla ! arthAt eka bAra yaha jJAna hone se pahale eka vyakti mujhase kahane AyA ki 'ApakI vajaha se merA sArA kAma ho gayA / ' taba maiMne kahA, 'bhAI, maiM to nahIM jaantaa| kauna sA kAma ho gayA? taba mujhase kahane lage 'vaha to Apa yoM hI kaha rahe haiN| Apa the, tabhI yaha kAma huaa| Apane hI kiyA hai yh|''bhaaii, maiMne nahIM kiyA, maiM kucha nahIM jAnatA isameM / ' taba kahane lage ki 'merI beTI kA koI mela nahIM baiTha rahA thA, to Apane phU~ka mArakara biThA diyaa| Apane siphAriza kI / ' taba mujhe vicAra AyA ki kisI vyakti ne isakA kAma kiyA hogA, to yaha poTalI use dene kI bajAya, yahA~ para dene A gyaa| yaha bhUla ho gaI hai, isa vyakti se / yaha yaza kI poTalI, jisane kAma kiyA hai, use dene ke bajAya yahA~ dene A gayA vaha / maiMne use kahA, 'bhAI, yaha merI poTalI nahIM hai| yaha kAma kisI aura ne kiyA hai to tU vahA~ jAkara de aa|' taba kahane lagA 'maiM to yaha rakhakara calA, Apane hI kiyA hai|' dUsare dina usakA kAma karanevAlA vyakti mujhase milA, taba kahane lagA ki 'maiMne isakA kitanA - kitanA kiyA, phira bhI apayaza de rahA hai| vaha poTalI mere pAsa se le lI / ' aisA tUphAna calatA rahatA hai| bacapana se hI, mere kucha kie binA bhI loga Akara mujhe de jAte haiM aura kaise bhI karake poTalI DAla hI jAte haiM / DAlakara cale jAte haiN| to usameM kyA ho sakatA hai? isalie maiM samajha gayA ki yaha yazanAma karma hai| praznakartA : phira usa poTalI kA Apa kyA karate haiM? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM, hama usakI vidhi karake vApasa use sauMpa dete haiM kyoMki use hama rakhate nahIM haiM / aura hamane kiyA ho phira bhI hama

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234 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM rakhate na! kyoMki hama kartA haiM hI nhiiN| sirpha nimitta haiM basa! nimitta, sirpha hAtha lagA isalie, varnA 'maiM' koI hAtha bhI nahIM hU~ aura paira bhI nahIM huuN| yaha tere karma kA udaya AyA hai aura merA hAtha lgaa| tujhe ThIka honA thA aura merA hAtha lgaa| kyoMki itanA hI hai, mujhe yaza milanA thA ki 'dAdA ne ThIka kara diyA yh|' aisA saba yaza milatA hai, taba mujhase kahate haiM ki 'Apa kara rahe haiN|' maiMne kahA, 'ye saba, maiM kucha nahIM karatA hU~, yaza nAmakarma hai|' aisA maiMne z2Ahira kiyaa| abhI taka loga z2Ahira nahIM karate the| loga aisA nahIM kahate ki 'hamAre yazanAma karma se hai|' usa ghar3I jaba loga kahate haiM ki, 'Apane mujhe ThIka kara diyaa|' taba unheM maz2A AtA hai| ve maz2A lenA chor3ate nahI haiN| isa maz2e ko nahIM chor3ate, isalie mokSa raha jAtA hai| yahA~ rAste meM hI mukAma kiyA, phira mokSa raha jAegA na! dhyeya? praznakartA : rileTiva ke kaI problama hote haiM to Apase vidhiyA~ karavA jAte haiM aura phira ve phalatI bhI haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, maiM nimitta huuN| ve ye vidhiyA~ karavA jAte haiM na aura aisA hai na ki jina devoM kI vajaha se yaha kAma hotA hai, unheM maiM pahacAnatA hN| jo nimitta haiM, unheM phona se khabara pahu~cA detA hU~ ki 'bhAI, inakA yaha duHkha hai to miTA do,' bs| mere ghara para koI bahIkhAtA nahIM hai aura dalAlI bhI nahIM haiM lekina mujhe aisA aMdara se saMketa huA thA ki 'Apa yaha jJAna deNge|' lekina isa kAla meM to logoM ko bahuta du:kha rahate haiM, una du:khoM se vApasa yaha jJAna calA jAegA na sabhI kaa| to isa saMketa ke AdhAra para yaha merA yazanAma karma khilA hogA aura usI AdhAra para maiM karatA huuN| varnA jJAnI kabhI bhI aisA nahIM krte| jJAnI aisI dakhala nahIM karate, 'tujhe yadi mokSa meM jAnA ho to sIdhI bAta kara, dUsarI koI saMsArI bAta mata karanA,' aisA hI kahate haiN| aura agara abhI aisA kaheMge to dUsare dina hI calA jAegA becaaraa| loga bhI kahate haiM, 'naukarI nahIM hai aura phira Upara se Apa aisA kaha rahe haiN| lo hama to cale apane ghr|' isalie maiM kahatA hU~, 'tere lie vidhi kara detA hU~, isa jJAna ko sa~bhAlakara rkhnaa'| eka bhAI kA kensara ThIka ho gyaa| ThIka nahIM hotA aisA bhI nahIM

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[2.7] nAmakarma 235 hai, ThIka ho bhI jAtA hai lekina ThIka ho hI jAe, usakI zyoriTI nahIM hai| yaha kyA hai, usakA mere sAtha kA hisAba aura merA yazanAma krm| nahIM to bhalA kensara kahIM ThIka hotA hogA? ! kensara kA matalaba hI hai kensl| aba unameM se pA~ca pratizata baca jAte haiM to vaha bAta alaga hai| isalie hama kahate haiM na, yaha hamArA yazanAma karma hai| yaha bhArI nAmakarmavAlA hai, isIlie logoM ko ThIka ho jAtA hai| camatkAra hotA hai na, kyoMki bhArI yazanAma karma hai! yaza-apayaza kisa AdhAra para? praznakartA : yazakarma kise milatA hai aura apayaza karma kise milatA hai, kaisA kucha kiyA ho taba? dAdAzrI : haaN| yazakarma kise milatA hai ki jise 'merA' karane kI icchA nahIM hai| kaise saba logoM kA bhalA ho, kaise saba logoM ko lAbha ho, isa prakAra saba logoM ke lie hI jIvana jIe na, taba yazanAma karma milatA hai aura khuda ke lie jIvana jIe to use apayaza nAmakarma / kAma karane para bhI yaza nahIM miltaa| jagat to kAphI kucha khuda ke lie hI jItA hai na? vaha to, zAyada hI koI auroM ke lie jItA hai na! hameM yazanAma karma kyoM milA hai? sabhI ko hama saMtoSa dete haiM, usI kI vajaha se itanA bar3A yazanAma karma hai, z2abaradasta yazanAma karma hai| (aisA to) hotA hI nahIM hai na! bahuta bArIkI se dekhane kI cIz2a hai| amarIkA meM jinake yahA~ raheM na, unheM merI vajaha se cAra Ane kA bhI nukasAna nahIM hoM usakA dhyAna rakhatA hU~ aura dUsarA koI nukasAna kara rahA ho to use kahatA hU~, maiM TokatA huuN| praznakartA : yazanAma karma hai, usameM aura puNya ke bIca tAtvika pharka kyA hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| puNya to cAhe kitanA bhI ho phira bhI unheM yaza nahIM miltaa| yazanAma karma to, hama kisI ke yahA~ amarIkA meM ghara

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236 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ghara nahAte-dhote haiM lekina unakA z2arA sA bhI, do Ane kA bhI nukasAna na ho, vaha hamArI lakSa (jAgRti) meM rahatA hai| aisA kucha ho to vahA~ para ruka jAte haiM hm| cAhe mAlika hAz2ira ho yA na ho| hama khuda hI mAlika hoM, usa taraha se rahate haiM saba jagaha aura Apako agara thor3A sA bhI duHkha huA to vaha mujhe duHkha hone ke barAbara hai| yaha yazanAma karma usI kA phala hai| Apako duHkha na ho, aisA niraMtara hamAre dhyAna meM rahatA hai| pichale janma meM aisA saba rahA hogA usI kI vajaha se yaha sArA yazanAma karma hai| usake lie koI puNya nahIM karanA pdd'taa| puNya ke lie to mehanata karanI par3atI hai| praznakartA : lekina puNya ke lie aisA kahA gayA hai na ki sAmanevAle ko sukha ho taba puNya kA baMdhana hotA hai| dAdAzrI : sAmanevAle ko sukha ho yA na bhI ho lekina agara sukha kA bhAva bhI kiyA ho ki 'mujhe inheM sukha denA hI hai, ' aisA bhAva kiyA, tabhI se puNya kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| phira usa kriyA ke hone taka puNya baMdhana hotA hai| praznakartA : hA~, to yaza nAmakarma kA bhI yahI batAyA hai ki sAmanevAle ko du:kha na ho| dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha nhiiN| sAmanevAle ko du:kha ho yA na ho, usake lie to thor3A bahuta yaza to milegA lekina sAtha meM dUsare apayaza lAyA hai n| kisI ke yahA~ nahAne jAe aura aMdara kucha kisI cIz2a kA apavyaya ho taba vaha kahatA hai 'hameM kyA? apanA kyA hai?' jabaki merI dRSTi meM hameM kyA' zabda hai hI nhiiN| Apa saba to 'hameM kyA' vAle haiN| hamArI dRSTi meM hameM kyA,' aisA nahIM hai| eka-do Ane kA bhI agara sAmanevAle ko nukasAna ho to mujhase vaha cIz2a dekhI nahIM jaatii| 'mujhe kyA' aisA nahIM rhtaa| 'saba merA hI hai, aisA rahe, taba loga yaza dete haiM, nahIM to nahIM dete| varnA apayaza to dete hI haiN| terA kAma karU~ na, taba bhI kahegA 'jAne do na! yoM hI merA bigAr3a rahe haiN| dAdA aise haiM ki bahakA deN|' aisI to hai yaha duniyA ! loga

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[2.7] nAmakarma 237 mujha se kahate haiM na, 'mujhe yaza hI nahIM dete|' maiMne kahA, 'tujhe kyA deM?' bar3e Ae yazavAle! yazavAle to kitanI sa~bhAla rakhate haiM ! yaza kyA yoM hI mila jAtA hai kahIM? sabhI tIrthaMkara yazavAle the, bahata hI yazavAle the ve to! kyoMki agara sAmanevAle ko duHkha ho, to vaha duHkha khuda ko hone ke barAbara thA, itanA jAgRtipUrvaka kA jiivn| aura tU to aisA kahatA hai ki vaha to apane karma bhoga rahA hai| nahIM? pahale kahatA thA na? praznakartA : aisA hI cala rahA thaa| dAdAzrI : lekina niyama aisA hai ki jise apayaza milanA ho, use yaza nahIM miltaa| eka vyakti ne pUchA ki 'yaza kaise milatA hai?' taba maiMne kahA ki "kaise kisI kA bhalA ho, kaise kisI kA bhalA ho?' pUrA dina logoM kA bhalA karane ke bhAva meM hI biite|" vaha bhAvanA kyA thI ki isa jagat meM kisI kA kucha kAma karo, kisI ke kAma Ao, oblAiz2a karo vgairh| aMta meM agara rupae na hoM to paira to haiM na! kisI ke lie cakkara nahIM lagA sakate? paira haiM, aura bhI cIjeM haiM, buddhi ho to buddhi se 'lA, maiM tere lie likha dU~,' aisA kaha sakate haiN| isa bhAvanA kA phala hai| usase yazanAma karma baMdhatA hai aura agara burA karane kI bhAvanA ho to kAma karane para bhI apayaza milegaa| phira vaha kahatA hai ki 'maiMne kAma kiyA phira bhI mujhe apayaza de rahe haiN|' are, terA apayaza lekara AyA hai, isalie yaha apayaza mila rahA hai| tujhe kAma karanA hai aura apayaza lenA hai| samajhane jaisI bAta hai na yaha! kitanI niyanavAlI bAta hai na! yAnI ki usakI momabattI meM apayaza nAma kA karma hai| jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA se ucca karma nAmakarma to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai| aise taraha-taraha ke nAmakarma haiN| aise kitane hI prakAra ke karma hote haiM ki jina karmoM se ucca nAmakarma baMdhatA hai aura aise karma bhI ki jinase nIca nAmakarma baMdhatA hai| praznakartA : ucca nAmakarmavAle kauna se karma haiM? dAdAzrI : jagat kA kalyANa karanA hai vagairaha aise ucca vicAra hoM

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) na, khuda ke duzmana kA bhI kalyANa karane kI bhAvanA ho, aisA saba ho, taba ucca nAmakarma milatA hai / 238 jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA bahuta kAla se, bahuta janmoM se karate Ae hoM, to yazanAma karma bahuta bar3A hotA hai / jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA meM se hI yazanAma karma utpanna hotA hai / jitanI use aisI icchA ho ki jagat kA kalyANa ho, logoM ko sukha ho to usase yazanAma karma baMdhatA hai aura jaba duniyA ko parezAna kare, taba apayaza nAmakarma baMdhatA hai| vaha thA dAdA kA nAmakarma hamAre paira meM phrekcara huA to maiMne khoja kI ki yaha vedanIya karma hai yA kyA hai? vedanIya karma hotA to usI dina se ronA AtA aura parezAnI ho jAtI na? phira maiMne patA lagAyA, taba samajha meM AyA ki yaha bhUla nAmakarma meM hai| nAmakarma meM kyA-kyA AyA ki zarIra ke aMga-upAMga, hAiTa vagairaha bahuta laMbe nahIM, bahuta Thigane bhI nahIM, normeliTI / nAmakarma meM aMga-upAMga sabhI suDaula hone cAhie na, usameM itanI kamI lA dI hai / vedanIya nahIM hai yaha / maiMne khoja kI to vaha maiMne Apase kahA nahIM thA? yaha nAmakarma hai / loga samajhate ki yaha to vedanA nahIM AI, na hI aura kucha huA to yaha kyA huA? nAmakarma meM kucha bhUla ho gaI hai| aba yaha mere kauna se karma kA hisAba hai, aisA DhU~Dha nikAlanA par3egA na? aisI kyA bhUla raha gaI ki yaha hisAba AyA ? DaoNkTara ke kahe anusAra aise meM lAcAra ho jAte haiM / isameM to kucha huA hI nahIM na! sabhI DaoNkTaroM ne hameM ha~satA huA hI paayaa| aura DaoNkTara ne dUsare DaoNkTaroM ko bhejA ki 'jAo, dekhakara Ao nirAvRta (khulA) aatmaa|' isase Apako samajha meM AyA ki yaha vedanIya karma nahIM hai, nAmakarma hai| gotrakarma bhI nahIM hai / gotrakarma meM kucha kamI hotI na, to darzana karane meM kitane hI mahAtmAoM kA mana pIche haTa jAtA, lokapUjyatA kama ho jaatii| isase to balki lokapUjyatA bddh'ii| I

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[2.8] gotrakarma lokapUjya, lokaniMdya gotra kitane hue? praznakartA : chaH dAdAzrI : aba sAtavA~ hai gotrakarma, vaha bhI momabattI meM lekara Ae hai| yahA~ para jo saba loga Ate haiM, ve mujhe namaskAra karake baiThate haiM na? mujhe kyA kahane jAnA par3atA hai? vaha kauna karavAtA hai? gotrakarma karavAtA hai| yaha ucca gotra hotA hai| aura koI AyA to, 'tU kyoM AyA hai? tU calA jA yahA~ se|' vahA~ para nIca gotra hai| gotrakarma, vaha to dravyakarma kahalAtA hai| ___ aba ucca gotra ho, to vaha lokapUjya hotA hai| loga tArIpha kareM, aisA gotra hotA hai| aura nIca gotra kA matalaba kyA hai? loga niMdA karate haiM uskii| usa gotra kI niMdA karate haiN| loga nahIM kahate haiM ki 'are bhAI. halake logoM ke sAtha khar3e mata rhnaa|' aura dUsarA hai, agara acche parivAra meM janma huA ho to use usakA ahaMkAra rahatA hai| kharAba parivAra meM janma huA ho to usake mana meM aisA hotA rahatA hai ki 'hama halke haiN|' ye sabhI dravyakarma haiN| aba isa zarIra meM gotrakarma haiN| loga kahate haiM ye 'raNachor3a haragoviMda ke beTe ke beTe haiM, to loga samajhate haiM ki 'ohoho! lokapUjya haiN|' loga

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) samajhate haiM ki 'ye koI bahuta bar3e AdamI Ae haiN|' ise lokapUjya kahate haiN| aba lokapUjya gotra yahA~ para hai hI nahIM / lokapUjya gotra to kise kahate haiM ki, ve saMsAra vyavahAra meM bar3e mAne jaaeN| ye saba dravyakarma haiM / yaha zarIra banA, vaha dravyakarma hai| 240 aba Aja-kala to gotra kA artha rahA hI nahIM / phira bhI loga kahate haiM, hama isa gotra ke, isa gotra ke / ucca gotra kA artha bhagavAna ne kucha aura batAyA hai jabaki loga khuda kI bhASA meM le gae / ucca gotra kA artha hai lokapUjya / vaha Apa meM bhI hai kucha aMzoM tk| Apake sage-saMbaMdhiyoM meM bhI thor3e bahuta aMzoM meM hotA hai| saMpUrNa lokapUjya to jJAnIpuruSa hote haiM, tIrthaMkara hote haiN| unake alAvA koI bhI saMpUrNa lokapUjya nahIM hotA / jJAnIpuruSa aura tIrthaMkara jaba jA rahe hoM na, to loga pIche se bhI namaskAra karate rahate haiN| aura phira gotrakarma meM yA to prakhyAta hotA hai yA phira niMdita hotA hai| koI agara ina sAhaba ke bAre meM aisI kucha bAta karane lage to dUsarA vyakti kahatA hai, 'nahIM, usase doSa lagegA, aisA nahIM bolanA cAhie / ' unake pITha pIche bhI aisA kahatA hai / lokapUjya kI anupasthiti meM bhI loga kyA kahate haiM? 'aisA mata kahanA, mata kahanA, burA dikhegA, galata hai / ' aise lokapUjya bno| loga niMdA karanA baMda kara deN| aura apanA jJAna hai, to aisA banA jA sakatA hai| nahIM to nahIM banA jA sktaa| yaha jJAna hI aisA hai / Apako lagatA hai ki isa jJAna se isa sthiti taka pahu~ca pAe~ge? do-pA~ca loga agara kucha ulTA boleM to ve to unake rAga-dveSa ke pariNAma haiN| niMdya ko to sabhI loga kahate haiM 'jAne do na !' vaha lokaniMdya hai| acche karma karane para bhI kaheMge, 'jAne do na, nAma hI mata lo|' aise loga lokiniMdya kahalAte haiN| loga niMdA karate haiM becAre kI / koI acchA kAma karane jAe~, phira bhI ve niMdA ke ghere meM A jAte haiM / 'are, isI ne bigAr3A hogA aura koI bigAr3a hI nahIM sakatA' kahate haiM / ' are bhAI, isane kucha nahIM kiyA hai / ' phira bhI kahate haiM 'nhiiN'| sabakucha usI ke sira /

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[2.8] gotrakarma 241 arthAt lokapUjya aura dUsare lokaniMdya, yahA~ para ahamadAbAda meM kyA koI lokaniMdya iMsAna nahIM hogA? koI niMdA karanI par3e aise loga nahIM hoMge? praznakartA : hoMge to shii| dAdAzrI : kitane? pA~ca-dasa pratizata? praznakartA : z2yAdA hoNge| dAdAzrI : bAraha pratizata? varnA loga bekAra nahIM hai niMdA karane ke lie lekina agara vaha zarAba pItA ho, mAMsAhAra karatA ho, juA khelatA ho, aisA saba karatA ho, to loga niMdA kareMge yA nahIM kareMge? ise lokaniMdya puruSa kahate haiN| gotra kA aMhakAra hote hI bhAvakarma cArja ucca gotra, nIca gotra vagairaha saba dravyakarma haiN| ata: yaha saba use phrI oNpha kaoNsTa milA hai, dravyakarma ke AdhAra pr| ucca gotra ke kAraNa vaha vApasa aise akar3a jAtA hai| use vApasa igoiz2ama caDha jAtA hai aura nIca gotravAle meM nIca gotra kI inphiriyAriTI ghusa jAtI hai| nIca gotravAle ko inphiriyAriTI meM rahane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, ise igoiz2ama karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai lekina phira ye donoM hI bhAvakarma kahalAte haiN| __ abhI taka kahate the na, 'hama kaise kulavAna, hama lokapUjya!' taba phira kucha loga to mAnate haiM ki 'hama halkI jAti ke haiM' ve lokiniMdya iMsAna, ve hama nahIM haiN| ye sAre dehAdhyAsa haiN| inameM se kucha bhI apanA nahIM hai| ataH pUrva ke ghamaMDa-vamaMDa utAra do aura yadi halkI jAta kA hai to usakA halkApana chor3a de tuu| inphiriyAriTI kaoNmpaleksa chor3a de aura supIriyAriTI, donoM hI chor3a de| ye terI nahIM haiN| aba ve gotrakarma lekara Ae haiM isIlie usameM se 'unheM' bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| ye dAdA lokapUjya mAne jAte haiM kyoMki ve ucca gotrakarma bA~dhakara lAe haiN| ve bhI yahIM para khapA dene pdd'eNge| ve bhI kahIM sAtha meM AnevAle nahIM hai|

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242 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) yaza-apayaza bhI sAtha meM nahIM aanevaalaa| agara pUjyatA aura lokapUjyatA meM pha~sa gayA to phira mokSa nahIM hogA kabhI bhii| lokapUjya yAnI kyA ki hama jA rahe hoM na, to pIche se loga aise jaya-jaya karate haiN| or3hakara so gae hoM na, to bhI loga aise-aise karake darzana karake jAte haiN| unase pUcho bhAI, kisane noTa kiyA?' taba kahate haiM, 'vaha dekhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| ye to lokapUjya haiM!' yAnI ki aisA lokapUjyapanA lekara AyA huA hU~ ki anjAna iMsAna ke sAtha bhI agara gAr3I meM do-cAra ghaMTe satsaMga ho gayA ki use pUjyatA utpanna ho jAtI hai| use lokapUjyapanA kahate haiN| yaha ucca gotrakarma kahalAtA hai| kadAcita hI jagat meM lokapUjya loga hote haiN| jagat meM lokapUjya loga nahIM hote, bAkI sabakucha hotA hai| kadAcita hI hote haiM aura yadi mila jAe~ to kAma nikala jAe apnaa| kisI bar3e maMtrI kI lokapUjyatA nahIM hai| koI pulisavAlA dikhe to kahegA, 'sAhaba, Aie, aaie|' to vaha kahA~ se bola rahA hai? jAne ke bAda kahegA, 'jAne do, jAne do yahA~ se|' bhaya ke mAre pUjate haiM log| kisalie? kahIM muzkila meM pha~sa jAe~, usake bajAya inheM salAma kara lo na! eka prakAra kA bhaya hI hai na? jo lokaniMdya nahIM hai, vaha lokapUjya hai isa kAla meM abhI yaha kAla vicitra hai ataH jo lokapUjya nahIM hai aura lokiniMdya bhI nahIM hai use bhagavAna ne lokapUjya kI taraha eksepTa kiyA hai| yAnI ki niMdya nahIM honA caahie| niMdya meM AyA ki khatma ho gyaa| ataH isa kAla meM hamane hamAre svataMtra mata kA upayoga kiyA hai| jo lokanaMdya nahIM hai, isa kAla meM vaha lokapUjya hai| tIrthaMkaroM ne jinheM lokapUjya kahA hai, vaha to kisI khAsa kAla ke AdhAra para kahA hai| isa kAla meM hama kyA kahate haiM ki jo lokaniMdya nahIM hai, use hama lokapUjya kahate haiN| usakI z2immedArI hama apane sira para le lete haiN| ataH lokaniMdya mata bnnaa| bhale hI lokapUjya nahIM huA jA sake, nahIM huA jA sakegA,

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[2.8] gotrakarma 243 bahuta muzkila hogI usameM to, lekina niMdya nahIM ho jAe to uttama bAta hai| lokaniMdya nahIM honA caahie| to cAhe lokapUjyatA nahIM hai ApakI lekina yaha kAla aisA hai ki aisI kaThina parIkSA lI jAtI hai| ataH Apake itane mArksa bar3hA die jAe~ge aura bhagavAna bhI bar3hA deMge, maiM kahatA hU~ islie| kyoMki maiM niSpakSapAtI rUpa se kahatA huuN| mujhe isameM koI bhI pakSapAta nahIM hai| lekina agara tumhAre lokaniMdya kArya baMda ho jAe~ge, to ApakA lokapUjya meM samAveza hogaa| bhale hI pUje nahIM jAte phira bhI lokapUjya kI zreNI meM A ge| kyoMki parIkSA kaThina hai| isalie maiMne yaha bIca kA pada batAyA hai| isa kAla meM lokapUjya kama hote haiN| isalie dUsarI zreNI batAI hai ki jo lokaniMdya nahIM hoMge unheM isa prakAra se lokapUjya maaneNge| galatiyA~ ho gaI hoM to vApasa nae sire se zuruAta kreNge| to Aja apane se aise kArya na hoM ki jo lokaniMdya meM Ae~ to bahuta acchA kahalAegA na? aura logoM meM jo lokapUjya dikhAI dete haiM na, ve ThIka taraha se nahIM calate isalie ve lokapUjya nahIM mAne jAeMge lekina unheM aisA kahA jA sakatA hai ki ye lokaniMdya nahIM haiN| lokapUjya kahane jAe~ge to ye saba kaheMge ki 'hama lokapUjya haiM, hama lokapUjya haiN|' sabhI pakar3a leNge| lokapUjya to hiMdustAna meM do yA pA~ca loga hI haiN| lokapUjya to hote hoMge? bAkI saba aisI kvaoNliTI ke haiM ki lokaniMdya haiN| tIsare prakAra ke aise loga jyAdA haiM ki jo lokaniMdya nahIM haiM lekina pUjya to haiM hI nhiiN| pUjya to, patnI bhI nahIM pUjatI, ghara kA koI baccA bhI nahIM sunatA to bAharavAle kauna pUjeMge? ziSya nahIM sunate to bAharavAlA kauna pUjegA? yaha tIsarA vAkya tujhe pasaMda AyA? yaha khoja hai dAdA kii| varnA abhI to jagaha-jagaha para lokaniMdya hI haiM na! kucha na kucha niMdA hotI hI rahatI hai Aja to| Apa ko samajha meM AyA saba? nayA zAstra nikalA hai yh| praznakartA : negeTiva nahIM, paoNz2iTiva hai siidhaa|

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244 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha paoNz2iTiva meM hai isalie lokapUjya hI hai| aise paoNjiTiva haiM na sbhii| yaha saba apane seTha vagairaha saba paoNz2iTivavAle haiM ataH ve niMdya nahIM haiN| vyasana se niMdya ho gae haiM yA phira saMga kharAba hotA hai| jo logoM ko DarAte haiM, ve vikArI iMsAna kI taraha........ praznakartA : pahacAne jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, ve lokapUjya meM nahIM aate| ataH maoNrala bAinDiMga honA caahie| arthAt vaha hai lokpuujy| abhI hamane lokapUjya kA bar3A artha nikAlA, varnA to abhI koI lokapUjya mAnA hI nahIM jAtA na! hai hI nahIM na koI aisA iMsAna! isalie AsAna kara diyaa| jo lokaniMdya nahIM mAne jAte, ve hI lokapUjya haiM abhii| darzana se hI baMdha gayA tIrthaMkara gotra praznakartA : abhI kauna se karma aise haiM ki jinake lie kaha sakate haiM ki yaha nAmakarma hai yA yaha gotrakarma hai? dAdAzrI : hama yahA~ para dAna vagairaha dete haiM, aise saba satakarma karate haiM na? vaha sArA nAmakarma meM AtA hai| bhAva se logoM kA kalyANa karanA ho to gotrakarma kahalAtA hai| zreNika rAjA ko mahAvIra bhagavAna ke sirpha darzana karane se hI tIrthaMkara gotra baMdha gayA thA aura aise bhI jIva haiM jo unhIM bhagavAna mahAvIra ke pAsa Akara anaMta avatArI bane kyoMki bhagavAna ke darzana karate samaya mazIna ulTI ghUmI to usase anaMta avatAra ho gae! ve zreNika rAjA, agalI caubIsI ke padmanAbha nAmaka pahale tIrthaMkara baneMge! bhagavAna ke darzana mAtra se hI! aba usa ghar3I darzana to bahuta sAre logoM ne kie the na! lekina nahIM, zreNika rAjA ko pahale kisI guru mahArAja ne jo dRSTi dI thI na, vaha dRSTi aura yaha darzana, donoM eka sAtha hue to turaMta hI tIrthaMkara gotra baMdha gayA! dAdA

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[ 2.9 ] AyuSya karma deha meM bA~dhe rakhe, vaha AyuSya karma momabattI meM ye kauna se naMbara kA ho gayA? praznakartA : sAtavA~ / dAdAzrI : aba bacA AThavA~ / momabattI khatma honI hai vaha taya hai, aisA Apa jAnate ho? ! jalAne ke bAda Apa jAnate ho na ki khatma ho jAegI ! praznakartA dAdAzrI : aisA Apa kaise jAnate ho ki khatma ho jAegI? praznakartA : yoM dhIre-dhIre kama hotI jAtI hai / : hA~, vaha khatma to hogI hI / dAdAzrI : dhIre-dhIre kama hotI jAtI hai isalie yaha khatma ho jaaegii| isa taraha javAnI meM jo AyuSya thA, vaha dhIre-dhIre jhurriyA~ par3atepar3ate-par3ate khatma hone kI tarapha jA rahA hai / yaha AyuSya karma hai| aba dravyakarma kise kahate haiM? isa zarIra meM jo AyuSya karma hai, vaha dravyakarma kahalAtA hai| yaha sAre karmoM ko kucha kAla taka hilane hI nahIM detaa| ina sabhI karmoM ko bhogane para hI chuTakArA hotA hai| yaha hai AyuSya krm| isI taraha se kucha sAloM taka zarIra meM bA~dhakara rakhatA hai / agara chUTanA ho to bhI nahIM chUTane detaa| eka taraha kI jela hai / vaha bhI hameM bA~dhakara rakhatI hai ki isameM se chUTanA nahIM hai| TAima hone para chUTa jAe~ge, use kahate haiM AyuSya krm| kevalajJAna hone para bhI nahIM chor3atA /

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : kevalajJAna hone ke bAda bhI kucha samaya taka zarIra raha sakatA hai? 246 dAdAzrI : acchI taraha rahatA hai, kahA~ jAegA? AyuSya karma pUrA ho jAne para zarIra chUTa jAtA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ko lagabhaga bayAlIsa sAla kI umra meM kevalajJAna huA thA / bahattara sAla taka jIe / ve tIsa sAla khuda kA AyuSya karma pUrA karane ke lie the| koI cArA hI nahIM na! vaha chor3atA hI nahIM hai na! vaha baMdhana hai eka taraha kA / hama laMbe AyuSya kI bhAvanA kyoM rakhate haiM ? logoM ke, jagat kalyANa ke lie / Apa saba ke saMsArI sukha ke lie nahIM, logoM kA kalyANa ho, apanA kalyANa ho aisA ! zarIra maratA hai, 'khuda' nahIM AyuSya karma kyA kAma karatA hogA? 'hama' 'AtmA' ke rUpa meM amara haiN| isake bAvajUda bhI aisA bhAna hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ / ' mUrcchita bhAva hai, isalie use aisA lagatA hai 'maiM mara jAU~gA / ' khuda kA svarUpa mare aisA nahIM hai| amara hai lekina usakA bhAna nahIM hai, yAnI ki aisA mAnatA hai ki yaha jo mara jAtA hai vaise svarUpa meM 'maiM huuN|' pUrA jagat aisA hI mAnatA hai aura vaha khuda bhI aisA hI mAnatA hai aura sAdhu-sAdhvI bhI mAnate haiM na aura unake AcArya bhI aisA mAnate haiM ki maiM mara jAU~gA, maiM mara jAU~gA / are bhAI, Apa kaise mara jAoge? zarIra mregaa| jisakI arthI nikAleMge, vaha mregaa| Apa kaise mara sakate ho? to kahate haiM, 'nahIM, maiM mara jaauuNgaa| DaoNkTara sAhaba, mujhe bcaanaa|' are, DaoNkTara kI bahana mara gaI aura DaoNkTara ke pitAjI bhI mara gae haiN| DaoNkTara sAhaba kaise bacAe~ge? DaoNkTara kI bahana nahIM mara gaI thIM? ataH yaha jo hai vaha AyuSya karma hai| puNya ke AdhAra para laMbA yA choTA AyuSya koI pacAsa sAla kI umra meM mara jAtA hai, koI tIsa sAla kI umra meM mara jAtA hai aura koI nabbe sAla kA bhI ho jAtA hai / yaha AyuSya ke AdhAra para hai| AyuSya kA choTA yA laMbA honA, yaha saba dravyakarma hai|

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[2.9] AyuSya karma 247 kitane hI prakAra ke puNya hoM taba jAkara AyuSya laMbA hotA hai usakA, nahIM to AyuSya karma choTA hotA hai| jabaki loga kyA kahate haiM ki jinakI yahA~ para z2arUrata hai, unakI vahA~ para bhI z2arUrata hai| aisI saba bAteM karate haiN| yaha hai AyuSya sthiti / puNyazAliyoM kA AyuSya laMbA hotA hai| z2arA kama puNya ho to AyuSya bIca rAste meM TUTa jAtA hai| aba agara koI vyakti bahuta pApI ho aura usakA AyuSya laMbA ho to hameM lagatA hai ki, 'ohoho! pApI iMsAna aura itanA laMbA AyuSya!' hama agara bhagavAna se pUche ki 'pApI kA AyuSya kitanA ho to acchA mAnA jAegA?' taba ve kahate haiM 'jitanA kama jIe utanA acchA' kyoMki vaha pApa ke aise saMyoMgoM meM hai| agara vaha kama jIegA to ve usake saMyoga bdleNge| lekina vaha kama nahIM jItA hai! yaha to levala nikAlane ke lie hamase pUchate haiN| sau sAla bhI pUre kare aura itane sAre pApa ke daune ikaTThe karake kitanI hI gaharAI meM jAegA, yaha to vahI jAne aura jo puNyazAlI vyakti hai, vaha jyAdA jIe to bahuta acchA hai| karma ke tAbe meM hai vila pAvara praznakartA : to dAdA, kyA AyuSya ke lie vila pAvara kAma karatI dAdAzrI : nahIM, vila pAvara to karma ke sAtha eDajasTa (anukUla) ho jAtI hai| vila pAvara ke tAbe meM nahIM hai yaha krm| karma ke tAbe meM vila pAvara hai| ataH sabhI loga kahate haiM ki merI vila pAvara hai| are, lekina karma ke tAbe meM hai terI vila paavr| ataH apane hAtha meM sattA nahIM hai| eka janma kI sattA gii| dUsare janma meM badalI jA sakatI hai| mRtyu hai karmoM kA sAra praznakartA : mRtyu kA sthala aura samaya, vagairaha nizcita hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nizcita ke binA to ho hI nahIM sktaa| mukhya to isameM

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248 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) samaya nizcita hotA hai aura usa samaya jo sthAna prApta hotA hai usa sthAna ko.... praznakartA : yaha kauna taya karatA hai? dAdAzrI : taya karanevAlA, kisI ke hAtha meM hai hI nahIM yh| yaha pariNAma hai| pariNAma meM taya nahIM karanA hotaa| riz2alTa meM taya karanA hotA hai? praznakartA : ataH jaise hamAre pichale karma hoMge, usI anusAra taya hokara AtA hai? dAdAzrI : apane jo karma haiM na, unakA sAra nikalatA hai| praznakartA : zarIra ke kitane dravyakarma bhogane bAkI rahe, vaha jAnA jA sakatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : jitane kAle bAla cale gae, ve phira se nahIM Ae~ge ab| ve saba bhoga lie ge| aba ye jo sapheda haiM, ve bAkI bace haiN| ve jitane bhoga lie jAe~ge, utane cale jaaeNge| ye dA~ta dhIre-dhIre bhoga lie gae, A~kheM bhoga lI jAtI haiM, kAna bhoga lie jAte haiM, sabakucha bhoga liyA jAtA hai| zarIra ko bhogatA hai dhIre-dhIre, tvacA laTakane lgegii| aise karate-karate yaha momabattI khatma ho jaaegii| __ AyuSya zvAsocchvAsa ke adhIna yaha sArA jo AyuSya hai vaha varSoM (sAloM) ke AdhAra para nahIM hai| AyuSya zvAsa ke AdhAra para hai| ina logoM ne to ye varSa kailkyUlezana se nikAle haiM ki sAmAnya vyakti ke itane zvAsocchvAsa hote haiM, usa para se kailkyUlezana karake ye sAloM kA hisAba nikAlA hai| yaha zvAsocchvAsa...Apa jaisA durupayoga karo, yadi corI karo to zvAsa adhika kharca ho jAe~ge aura kucAritra meM bahuta AyuSya kharca ho jAtA hai| yahA~ para (satsaMga meM) zvAsocchvAsa kama kharca hote haiM na, to yahA~ para laMbe samaya taka jIte haiN|

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[2.9] AyuSya karma 249 praznakartA : jIva AyuSya baMdha ke sAtha hI janma letA hai na? to agara AyuSya aisA ho sakatA hai to kyA pUrvabaMdha kA siddhAMta khatma ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AyuSya kA arthAt varSoM kA baMdha nahIM hai, itane zvAsocchvAsa kA niyama hai| ina hisAba lagAnevAloM ne kyA khoja kI? itane karor3a, itane araba zvAsocchvAsa haiM, vaha isakA AyuSya aura usa para se, hara roz2a eka taMdarusta vyakti ke itane zvAsocchvAsa kharca ho jAte haiN| taMdarusta vyakti ke, abava naoNrmala nahIM, bilo naoNrmala nahIM, aise vyakti ke itane zvAsocchvAsa kharca ho jAte haiM, usa hisAba se inhoMne varSa nikaale| yaha zvAsocchvAsa rUpI AyuSya to taya hI hai! ina zvAsocchvAsa ko phrekcara karanA usake hAtha meM hai| sAla kama-jyAdA ho sakate haiN| jisameM yaha zvAsocchvAsa jyAdA kharca hote haiM, aise karma karane se Ayu ke sAla kama hote jAte haiN| aura jina karmoM meM zvAsocchvAsa kama kharca hoM to aise karma karane se z2yAdA sAloM taka jI sakatA hai| praznakartA : aisA kahA gayA hai ki AyuSya kI laMbAI zvasocchvAsa para nirbhara hai, to eka sekanDa meM itane zvAsocchvAsa hote haiM to kyA unheM koI kama-jyAdA kara sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, saba se z2yAdA zvAsocchvAsa kharca ho jAte haiM parastrIgamana meN| eka hI bAra ke parastrIgamana meM to sAla bhara kI Ayu khatma ho jAtI hai| jaba se aNahakka (binA haqa kA, avaidha) kA viSaya bhogane kA vicAra mana meM Ae na, tabhI se saba saMjoga milane para aMdara tar3aphar3AhaTa utpanna hotI hai| usase AyuSya kI DorI ekadama tejI se khula jAtI hai| sekanDa naMbara para hakka kA viSaya, usameM bhI zvAsocchvAsa kharca ho jAte haiN| phira krodha meM bahuta z2abaradasta kharca hote haiN| usake sAmane jo nirviSayI ho gayA hai yA khuda kI strI ke prati hI, eka hI ho aura limiTeDa ho aura agara krodha nahIM karatA hai aura ThaMDe svabhAva kA hai to Ayu ke sAla bar3ha jAte haiN| lobha se Ayu kama nahIM hotii| lobha se bar3hatI hai| lobhI vyakti

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250 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kama viSayI hotA hai ! use paise kI bAta AI ki kAna taiyAra ! Ayu ke sAloM meM kamI yA bar3hotarI hotI hai, Ayu meM badalAva nahIM hotaa| Ayu to zvAsocchvAsa para AdhArita hai| acche logoM kA AyuSya kama acchA upayoga ho aura z2yAdA sAla jIe to kAma hI nikAla degA n| use ucca AyuSya kahate haiN| praznakartA : maiMne aisA sunA hai ki jo acche loga hote haiM, ve jaldI mara jAte haiM aura jo kharAba loga hote haiM, ve pApa karane ke lie bahuta sAloM taka jIte haiM, to kyA yaha sahI hai? dAdAzrI : galata bAta hai| jisakA AyuSya kama hotA hai, vaha mara jAtA hai| AyuSya kisakA kama hotA hai? jisane pApa kie hoM uskaa| jisane puNya kie hoM, usakA AyuSya laMbA hotA hai| sabhI loga jIne kA prayatna karate haiM lekina phira usase kyA ho sakatA hai! praznakartA : yoM to saMtoM kI dazA bahuta ucca hotI hai phira bhI unakA AyuSya kama! aisA kaise? dAdAzrI : pichale janma meM jo kucha bhI karma kie the, usa vajaha se| praznakartA : to phira unake jIvana aise ucca prakAra ke kaise the? dAdAzrI : vaha to eka tarapha puNya bhI hotA hai aura dUsarI tarapha pApa bhI rahatA hai| AyuSya karma to pUrA hI pichale janma meM baMdha gayA thaa| use abhI bhoga rahe haiN| DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| jagat kA puNya kaccA, isalie jJAnI alpAyu praznakartA : kRpAludeva kA AyuSya taiMtIsa sAla kA hI kyoM? aise puruSoM kA AyuSya to laMbA honA caahie|

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[2.9] AyuSya karma dAdAzrI : vaha to, isa kAla ke AdhAra para ye AyuSya karma kAphI kama hI hote haiN| isa kAla kA dabAva bahuta hai, z2abaradasta! isalie AyuSya z2arUrata ke mutAbika nahIM hotA, dUsarI sArI puNya prakRti hotI hai / lekina anya cIz2oM meM ba~Ta jAtI hai aura sirpha AyuSya meM hI kama par3a jAtI hai| kRpAludeva to jJAnIpuruSa kahalAte haiN| 251 aura dUsarA, logoM kA puNya paripakva nahIM hotA / donoM avasara mileM taba aisA yoga baiThatA hai / puNya jAgRta ho taba ! jJAnIpuruSa ke lie to jInA yA maranA, isase koI bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai / ina sabhI mahAna puruSoM meM se kRpAludeva jJAnIpuruSa kahalAte haiN| bAkI ke sabhI jJAnI nahIM kahalAte / bAkI ke sabhI zAstrajJAnI kahalAte haiM aura ye AtmajJAnI kahalAte haiM / unheM jInemarane jaisA kucha rahatA hI nahIM / dAdA kA AyuSya hamAre cAroM hI karma bahuta ucca haiN| bahuta ucca prakAra ke haiN| dekho na, jI rahe haiM na, aThahattara sAla taka ! yahI to pramANa hai| abhI to aura bhI jIe~ge, taba dekha leNge| yaha to ekz2ekTa ho gayA na aThahattaravA~ / usameM kama nahIM kareMge na yA abhI bhI kara sakate haiM kama? isa kAla meM pacAsa sAla kI umra ke bAda jInA bonasa kahalAtA hai / DaoNkTara kahate haiM, 'abhI to dasapaMdraha sAla nikAleMge,' aura ye to aura bhI adhika kaha rahe haiM, usase bhI adhik| nahIM? I Aja-kala bar3he haiM AyuSya logoM ke praznakartA: eka bahana haiM, ve do mahInoM se behoza haiM, komA meM haiM / aba yoM to unakA AyuSya itanA bAkI hai isalie abhI taka jI rahI haiM, sA~seM cala rahI haiM lekina unakA dravyakarma to kucha bhI nahIM rhaa| sirpha komA meM hI, behozI kI avasthA meM hI hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha vedanA bhoga rahI haiM / yaha vedanIya karma hai| dravyakarma kA udaya ho, tabhI vedanIya ho sakatA hai na? ve dravyakarma ke vedanIya karma meM haiM abhii| vedanIya karma veda hI rahI haiM /

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252 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) loga kauna sI buddhi para khela rahe haiN| vahA~ para jAnA taya hai| aura vaha bhI phira muddata pUrI karake nhiiN| paiMtAlIsa sAla kA, pacAsa sAla kA hone para kyA hotA hai? taba kahate haiM ki 'bhAI ko hArTa phela ho gayA hai!' nahIM to yahA~ para para TUTa jAtI haiM na naseM, hemareja ho jAtA hai| maiM to hemareja ko pahale aisA samajhatA thA ki Upara se ghana mArakara tor3a dete haiN| ye to hemara (hathaur3A) zabda AyA na isameM, usa kAraNa se mujhe aisA lagA thA ki isIlie aisA kahate hoMge ki sira meM hemareja ho gyaa| itane adhika bhaya meM jIne kA ThikAnA nahIM hai| AyuSya bar3hAne kA niyama nahIM hai| AyuSya ghaTAne ke niyama bahuta sAre haiM aura usameM bhI ye sAre lobha aura laalc| praznakartA : pahale kI bajAya AyuSya bar3hA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : pahale kI bajAya, kucha samaya pahale kI Apa jo bAta kara rahe ho, sau-dau sau sAla pahale kI, taba ve loga kyA kahate the ki pahale AyuSya jyAdA thA aura aba kama ho gayA hai| abhI loga kyA kahate haiM, pahale AyuSya kama thA aura aba bar3ha gayA hai| aise kama-jyAdA, kama-jyAdA hotA rahatA hai| isameM AyuSya sau sAla se z2yAdA kabhI gayA hI nahIM hai| sAmAnya rUpa se phira do-pA~ca loga savA sau sAla taka jIte haiM, vaha alaga bAta hai lekina sau sAla se Age koI nahIM gayA hai| praznakartA : samAdhi yoga karane se AyuSya bar3hatA hai yA kama hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, samAdhi yoga se to AyuSya bahuta bar3hatA hai lekina samAdhi kise kahate haiM? vyavahAra meM rahane ke bAvajUda samAdhi rahanI caahie| apane eka mahAtmA haiM, ve bilkula aise ho gae the ki samajhoM aba gae, taba ge| mRtyu bhI dekhii| AyuSya Dora hotI hai na, usa para loDa rakhA ho phira bhI nahIM ttuutttii| TUTa na jAe utanA loDa honA cAhie aura usa para yadi eka AdhA ratala (227 grAma) z2yAdA rakhane jAe~ to TUTa jaaegii| yaha to aMdara jJAna thA, isalie baca ge| Atma zakti vahA~ khar3I rahatI hai na,

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[2.9] AyuSya karma 253 isalie ghara vApasa A gae ArAma se! ajJAnI ke mana meM aisA ho jAtA hai ki aba khatma! aba ho cukaa| 'jo mara rahA hai vaha 'maiM hI hU~' aisA bhAna hai, isa vajaha se khatma ho jAtA hai| AThoM karmoM kA baMdhana pratikSaNa praznakartA : AyuSya ke alAvA bAkI ke sAta karma samaya-samaya para baMdhate haiM, to Apa samajhAie na ki vaha kisa taraha se hai? ApakI bhASA meM smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : AyuSya karma bhI baMdhatA hai, aura sAta karma hI kyoM, AThoM karma baMdhate haiN| praznakartA : AyuSya karma to jIvana meM tIna bAra hI baMdhatA hai na, hara eka samaya para nahIM na? dAdAzrI : eka-eka samaya para sabhI karma baMdhate haiN| vaha to nAma alaga rakhe hue haiM, baMdha ke tIna vibhAga kie haiN| praznakartA : ve kisa taraha baMdhate haiM? vaha z2arA spaSTa samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : dUsare karmoM kA baMdhana hotA hai na, usake sAtha AyuSya karma baMdhatA hI hai| usa karma ke AyuSya ko bhI AyuSya kahate haiN| karma pUrA ho jAe to use kyA kahate haiM? arthAt yaha saba AyuSya hI kahalAtA hai| AyuSya karma hI baMdhate haiN| praznakartA : eka hI janma meM devatA kA AyuSya baMdha jAe usake bAda vApasa narka kA AyuSya bhI baMdha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha AyuSya alaga hai| vaha to usakA rUpaka aayaa| vaha to phira kucha do tihAI jiMdagI bItane ke bAda, jaba eka tihAI bAkI rahI, to usa samaya meM use kitanI hI bAra AyuSya kA baMdha par3a jAtA hai| pA~ca-sAta-dasa bAra baMdha par3akara aMta meM usakA AyuSya pUrNa ho jAtA hai| sATha sAla kA AyuSya ho to cAlIsa sAla meM pahalA AyuSya baMdhatA

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254 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai, taba taka nahIM bNdhtaa| vaha to eka krama rakhA huA hai, acchA krama rakhA huA hai| vaha kisalie hai ki bhAI, 'aba cAlIsa sAla kA ho gayA, aba sIdhA raha na, nahIM to na jAne kahA~ jAegA jAnavara meM! tAki aMtima bIsa sAla acchI taraha se bitaae| isalie likhA hai aura bAta sahI hai, bAta galata bhI nahIM hai, banAvaTa nahIM hai| tIrthaMkaroM kI yaha bAta sahI hai| sAvadhAna kiyA hai ki abhI taka par3e rahe haiM moha meM hI lekina aba z2arA sIdhA ho jaa| varnA AyuSya karma to niraMtara baMdhatA hI rahatA hai| niyama AyuSya baMdha kA praznakartA : AyuSya kA baMdha par3ane ke bAda meM hI agale janma kA avatAra taya hotA hai? dAdAzrI : AyuSya kA baMdha to aisA hai na ki mAna lo eka vyakti kA ikyAsI sAla kA AyuSya hai| sapoz2a (mAna lIjie) koI vyakti ikyAsI sAla taka jInevAlA hai, to vItarAgoM ke mata se kyA kahA jAtA hai? usane cauvana sAla taka cAhe kucha bhI kiyA ho, pAgalapana kie hoM, taba taka kA samaya bhaTakane meM, ulTe-sIdhe kAmoM meM guz2ArA ho, taba bhI usakA koI hisAba karanevAlA nahIM hai| kucha bhI kiyA hogA lekina vaha saba calA jaaegaa| lekina yadi aMtima sattAisa sAla sIdhI taraha se nikAla die to kAma ho jaaegaa| kyoMki vahA~ para aMtima sattAisa sAloM kA adhika jamA hotA hai| usase pahale kA sabakucha khatma ho jAtA hai| ___ ata: cauvana sAla ke bAda use sAvadhAna ho jAnA cAhie ki aba AyuSya baMdhana kA samaya ho gayA hai| cauvana sAla kI umra meM AyuSya baMdhegA hii| abhI taka bhAI ne kyA kiyA? cauvana sAla kA sAra AtA hai aura usa ghar3I koI bImArI A jAegI aura AyuSya kA baMdha pdd'egaa| bImArI nahIM hogI to bhI AyuSya kA baMdha par3egA aura cauvana sAla kI umra meM to usakA pahalA phoTo par3a jAtA hai| yadi duniyA meM kharAba vyavahAra karatA hai na, to aMdara usa vyakti kA jAnavara, bhaiMsa yA gAya yA gadhe kA phoTo par3a jAtA hai! aMdara usake pratispaMdana mahasUsa hote haiM! aba pahalI bAra jAnavara kA

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[2.9] AyuSya karma 255 AyuSya baMdha gayA kyoMki javAnI meM kaise bhI kharAba karma kie the, ArtadhyAna-raudradhyAna kie isalie cauvana sAla kI umra meM yaha huaa| AyuSya karma bhI baMdha jAtA hai| agara usa ghar3I vaha mara jAe to vaha tiryaMca yoni meM jAtA hai| ataH AyuSya baMdhana kI zuruAta hone ke bAda jo kriyA hotI hai na, usa kriyA kA sAra AtA hai| isalie aMtima sAloM meM iMsAna ko bahuta jAgRta rahanA caahie| ataH zAstra kyA kahate haiM ki cAlIsa sAla taka ApakA sabakucha ajJAnatA meM gayA lekina cAlIsa sAla ke bAda Apa acche vicAra rakho, nahIM to phoTo kharAba par3egA kyoMki usake bAda AyuSya karma baMdhana kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| phira bace sattAisa sAla! taba agara kisI acche satsaMga meM jur3a jAe to phira pUrA parivartana ho jAtA hai| to vaha aThAraha sAla taka satsaMga meM Ane lagA aura usakA gadhevAlA phoTo miTa gayA aura acchA sA rAjA kA phoTo pdd'aa| arthAt bahattaraveM sAla meM phira se bNdhaa| bahattara sAla ke bAda nau sAla bAkI rahe taba chaH sAla bItane ke bAda phira aThahattaraveM sAla meM, chaH sAloM meM usane kyA kiyA, phira se vApasa usane khUba satsaMga jamAyA, phira se devagati kA phoTo par3a gyaa| pichalA phoTo miTa gyaa| aba tIna sAla bace na? to vApasa jo ullAsapUrNa pariNAma the na, ve maMda par3a ge| zurU-zurU meM bahuta ullAsa hotA hai na, usa ghar3I acchA AyuSya baMdha jAtA hai| usake bAda vApasa maMda ho jAtA hai, taba assI sAla kI umra meM vApasa manuSya kA AyuSya bNdhaa| aba eka sAla bacA, AkhirI saal| usake assI sAla aura ATha mahIne hue ki vApasa phira se baMdhatA hai| aba cAra mahIne bce| zeSa eka sau bIsa dina bace, usameM se jaba vApasa cAlIsa dina bAkI baceM taba phira se baMdhatA hai| jo cAlIsa dina bace, usameM se chabbIsa dina bItane ke bAda vApasa tIsarA AyuSya baMdhatA hai, phira battIsa ghaMTe bce| battIsa ghaMTe meM, bAIsa ghaMTe bItane para vApasa phira se AyuSya baMdhana hotA hai, aise karate-karate aMtima tIna ghaMTe bce| usameM vApasa do ghaMTe bIta jAne para phira se baMdhatA hai| cAlIsa minaTa ke bAda phira se baMdhatA hai, teraha minaTa ke bAda phira se baMdhatA hai|

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256 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aba eka hI minaTa bacA hai, usake sirahAne dIyA jalAte haiN| aba eka hI minaTa bacA hai, to eka minaTa meM to sATha sekanDa haiN| cAlIsa sekanDa bIte ki vApasa phira se baMdhatA hai| abhI bhI bIsa sekanDa bAkI haiM, unameM se teraha sekanDa bIte ki phira se baMdhatA hai| usake bAda aMtima eka baMdha baMdhatA hai, isa taraha se AyuSya baMdhatA hai| phoTo par3ate hI rahate haiN| eka bAra manuSya kA hotA hai, eka bAra deva kA hotA hai, eka bAra gadhe kA hotA hai, kutte kA hotA hai phoTo badalate hI rahate haiM aura jo aMta meM par3A vahI sahI hai| to marane se eka dina pahale to bahuta hI sAre phoTo par3ate rahate haiM lekina ve saba phoTo to galata haiM, aMtima phoTo kauna sA par3A, vahI saca hai| isa prakAra se yaha sAinTiphika hai, ekz2ekTa sahI hai| mAtR bhAvavAle kA AyuSya laMbA praznakartA : dAdA, AyuSya karma ke lie kaisA bhAva honA cAhie tAki AyuSya laMbA ho? AyuSya ke lie kisa taraha ke karma hote haiM jinase AyuSya laMbA ho yA choTA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : AyuSya karma ke lie to agara mAtRbhAva kama ho to AyuSya karma TUTa jAtA hai| mAtRbhAva honA cAhie sabhI ke lie| kisI ko duHkha ho jAe to vaha use acchA na lage, kisI ko duHkha ho jAe to madada karane ko daudd'e| praznakartA : puruSoM meM bhI aisA vAtsalya bhAva hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, hotA hai, bahuta hotA hai| praznakartA : aura jitanA vAtsalya bhAva adhika utanA hI agale janma meM laMbA AyuSya rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : lekina yaha jo AyuSya karma hai, vaha kisa AdhAra para phiksa hotA hai?

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[2.9] AyuSya karma 257 dAdAzrI : AyuSya karma to, Apa logoM ke AyuSya ko jitanA nukasAna pahu~cAte ho, jIvamAtra ke AyuSya kA Apa jitanA nukasAna karate ho, vaha Apa khuda ke hI AyuSya kA nukasAna kara rahe ho / praznakartA : to ina kasAiyoM ko to turaMta hI mara jAnA cAhie lekina kasAI to bahuta laMbe samaya taka jIte haiN| dAdAzrI : kasAI gunahagAra hote hI nahIM / kasAI ke lie to vaha usakA bApa kA dhaMdhA hai / khAnevAle gunahagAra haiN| praznakartA : lekina merA aisA mAnanA hai ki AyuSya RNAnubaMdha ke anusAra rahatA hai| phemilI ke sAtha RNAnubaMdha pUre ho jAe~ to vahA~ se mAyA simaTa jAtI hai I dAdAzrI : vaha bAta to die jaisI sApha hI hai / lekina AyuSya RNAnubaMdha kA matalaba kyA hai ki Apane jitanA dUsare ko duHkha diyA hogA, utanA hI ApakA AyuSya kama hogaa| sabhI ko sukha doge to AyuSya bddh'egaa| phira usI anusAra RNAnubaMdha baMdha jAegA / yoM dikhane meM RNAnubaMdha hai lekina sUkSma cIz2a alaga hI hotI hai|

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma niraMtara vilaya rahate haiM dravyakarma yaha zarIra kyA hai? yaha kisase banA huA hai? to kahate haiM ki ATha karmoM kI poTalI hai yaha to| jaise momabattI meM do-tIna karma hote haiM, vaise ye ATha karma haiN| momabattI meM kyA-kyA karma haiM? to eka to dhAgA hai| aura vaha dhAgA bhI aisA, jo jle| phira usa dhAge ko jo jalAe rakhatA hai, vaha hai mom| tIsarA-khuda jalakara khatma ho jAtA hai, aisA AyuSya lekara Ae~ haiN| yaha momabattI bhI AyuSya lekara AI huI hai| to dekho, eka to dhAgA, eka ujAlA, moma aura aayussy| usake cAra haiM apane aatth| usameM ghAtIkarma nahIM hote| usake bhI AghAtI haiM aura apane bhI aghAtI haiN-caar| vaha agara jIvita hotI to ghAtIkarma hote| yAnI ki jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, ye saba ghAtIkarma haiN| ye AtmA kA ghAta karate rahate haiN| lekina isa momabattI kA to bahuta acchA udAharaNa diyA hai| abhI taka aisA zAstra meM kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM diyA gayA hai| pahalI bAra, pharsTa TAima kahA gayA hai yaha! dravyakarma, vaha momabattI hai aura yaha dravyakarma rUpI momabattI jalatI hI rahatI hai nirNtr| aba isameM to kisI ko kucha karanA nahIM par3atA na? momabattI to apane Apa kudaratI rUpa se jala hI rahI hai| jaba se janma huA tabhI se jalane kI zuruAta ho hI gaI hai isalie Apako ise jalAnA nahIM pdd'egaa| apane Apa jalate-jalate-jalate khatma ho jaaegii| ataH AyuSya karma pUrA hone para khatma ho jaaegii| ataH AThoM karma, ve dravyakarma khatma ho jAe~ge aura nae bA~dhe hue dravyakarma agale janma ke lie sAtha meM le jaaegaa|

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 259 praznakartA : lekina dravyakarma to udayAdhIna hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha udayAdhIna / dravyakarma to dinoMdina udaya hokara khatma hI ho rahA hai, ekz2osTa ho rahA hai / niraMtara dravyakarma ekz2osTa hote rahate haiM aura eka dina kaheMge ki 'ye ekz2osTa ho gae / ' praznakartA : jo prakRti gutha cukI hai, usameM jo dravyakarma haiM, kyA unheM ekz2osTa hone meM kucha z2yAdA dera lagatI hai? dAdAzrI : ve to apane TAima para ekz2osTa ho hI jaaeNge| usakA TAima ke sAtha lenA-denA hai / sote samaya bhI ekz2osTa ho jAte haiM, jAgate hue bhI ho jAte haiN| ghAtI haiM paTTiyoM ke rUpa meM aghAtI deharUpI ye sabhI ATha karma jo haiM, ve dravyakarma haiM / ina ATha karmoM meM se cAra ghAtI aura cAra aghAtI haiM / unameM se jo cAra ghAtI haiM, ve cazme haiM aura jo cAra aghAtI haiM, vaha deha kA bhogavaTA hai / una karmoM ke adhIna dravyakarma ke cazme banate haiN| aba yaha AdhAra, una cazmoM ko hamane khatma kara diyA hai, varnA usakA kaba aMta AtA ? sabhI yoniyoM meM bhaTaka Ae taba jAkara aMta AtA hai una cazmoM kA / ulTe cazme aura deha, donoM alaga cIjeM haiN| jaba hama yaha jJAna dete haiM na, taba una ulTe cazmoM ko nikAla dete haiM lekina isa deha dvArA bhoge jAnevAle karma nahIM nikalate, unheM bhoganA hI par3atA hai| inameM se jo utpanna honevAle nokarma haiM, unheM bhoganA hI par3atA hai I , praznakartA : 'ye jo cAra karma haiM ve AtmA kA ghAta karate haiM, isakA kyA matalaba hai? dAdAzrI : pahalA jJAnAvaraNa hai, usake bAda darzanAvaraNa hai, usake bAda mohanIya aura aMtarAya / ye cAroM ghAtIkarma kahalAte haiM / jaba taka ye cAroM haiM, taba taka AtmA kA ghAta hotA rahatA hai| usase AvaraNa AtA hI rahatA hai / aura bAkI ke cAra aghAtI haiM / aghAtI arthAt unase AtmA para AvaraNa

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260 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM aataa| phira agara Apa tanmayAkAra nahIM hoMge to ve DiscArja hokara khatma ho jaaeNge| mahAvIra bhagavAna ko ye aghAtI karma kevalajJAna ke bAda meM bhI the| ye cAra ghAtI hI pUrI taraha se zuddha hue the| aghAtI to sAre the hI na! ata: vedanIya-nAma-gotra aura AyuSya, ye cAroM aghAtI karma kahalAte haiN| kevalajJAna ke bAda bhI ve hara eka meM rahate haiN| ve raheMge to bhI AtmA ko koI nukasAna nahIM phuNcaate| praznakartA : to isakA matalaba ina cAra karmoM ko hI khapAnA haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, bAkI ke cAra karmoM kA to apane Apa nikAla ho hI jaaegaa| zAtA vedanIya AI, ArAma se so jAo zAMti se| azAtA vedanIya Ae to phira zora-zarAbA mata krnaa| nikAla bAkI hai aghAtI karma kA praznakartA : ye jo AyuSya, vedanIya, gotra aura nAmakarma haiM, ye to deha ko sparza kie hue dikhAI dete haiN| ye sabhI deha ke sAtha saMbaMdhavAle dikhAI dete haiN| ve jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa..... dAdAzrI : ve bhI deha ke sAtha saMbaMdhavAle hI haiM lekina cazme ke rUpa meM haiN| bAkI utpanna to sabhI dravyakarmoM meM se hI hue haiN| agara ye ghAtI cale jAe~, to aghAtI se to koI parezAnI hI nahIM hai| aghAtI to, jaba taka yaha deha hai, taba taka raheMge, ataH agara apayaza mile to usameM harja nahIM hai| jJAnAvaraNIya gayA? to kahate haiM hA~, gayA! taba pUche ki 'loga apayaza dete haiM vaha?' 'bhale hI rhe|' jaba taka deha hai taba taka TikegA aura yaza bhI jaba taka deha hai tabhI taka ttikegaa| yaza bhI milegA aura apayaza bhI milegaa| praznakartA : deha ke sAtha jur3A huA jo jJAnAvaraNa karma hai, vaha deha hone ke bAvajUda bhI jA sakatA hai? jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa? dAdAzrI : hA~, ve to sAtha meM hI rahate haiN| isI meM mile hue haiM ye

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 261 saba lekina ye cAra ghAtI kSaya ho sakate haiN| aghAtI kSaya nahIM ho skte| ____ yaha jJAna milane ke bAda darzanAvaraNIya calA gayA, mohanIya calA gayA, pUrI taraha se calA gyaa| aMtarAya nahIM gae haiN| jJAnAvaraNa nahIM gayA hai, ye jo cAra haiM ve AtmaghAtI haiN| ghAtIkarma kahalAte haiN| to ina donoM ghAtI karmoM kA jaise-jaise samabhAva se nikAla karoge vaise-vaise AvaraNa kama hote jAe~ge, vaise-vaise aMtarAya TUTate jaaeNge| aura jo cAra aghAtI karma baMdhe hue haiM, ve jaba DiscArja hote haiM, taba ve zAtA-azAtA vedanIya dete haiM, itanA hI hai| aMta taka dete haiN| bhagavAna ko bhI aMta taka zAtA-azAtA vedanIya thI, TheTha nirvANa hone taka zAtA-azAtA donoM hI vedanIya rahate haiN| praznakartA : zAstra aisA kahate haiM ki kevalajJAnI ko phira azAtA nahIM rhtii| dAdAzrI : sirpha zAtA-azAtA vedanIya rahatI hai| unakI zAtAazAtA vedanIya aisI nahIM hotI, sthUla nahIM hotIM, bahuta sUkSma hotI haiN| phira bhI bhagavAna ko kAna meM baru Thoke the na! bhArI AzAtA AI thI! praznakartA : bhagavAna ko jo baru Thoke the, vaha kevalajJAna se pahale yA bAda meM? dAdAzrI : vaha to kevalajJAna se phle| usake bAda to ye khaTamala vagairaha bahuta kATate the, bahuta azAtA vedanIya utpanna huI thii| isIlie to devalogoM ne bhagavAna ko mahAvIra kahA n| z2abaradasta azAtA vedanIya! tIrthaMkaroM ke dravyakarma praznakartA : dAdA, tIrthaMkaroM ke ve ghAtI-aghAtI karma kaise hote haiM? dAdAzrI : unake cAra aghAtI alaga-alaga, DipharensavAle hote haiN| unameM se eka vedanIya hai, nAma, gotra aura AyuSya ve sabhI meM DipharensavAle hote haiM aura jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya ye cAroM sabhI meM eka sarIkhe TUTa cuke hote haiM aura eka sarIkhe hoM tabhI kevalajJAna kahalAtA

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262 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai| varnA taba taka vaha kevalajJAna nahIM kahA jA sktaa| kevalajJAna kaba kahalAtA hai ki jaba ye cAroM sabhI meM eka sarIkhe ho jaaeN| koI zyAmala hotA hai, koI gorA hotA hai, koI sunaharA hotA hai, sunaharA kalara (raMga) yAnI ki hamAre kalara ko sunaharA kalara kahate haiN| bilkula ekjekTa sone jaisA nahIM hotaa| yAnI ki kalara sabhI taraha-taraha hote haiM, unameM pharka hotA hai| phira laMbAI meM pharka hotA hai| hA~, suMdara sabhI hote haiM lekina AkAra sabhI ke alaga-alaga hote haiN| aba vAstava meM to vaha AkAra rUpa nahIM kahalAtA lekina sabhI eka samAna suMdara dikhate haiM, isakA kyA kAraNa hai? lAvaNyatA eka sriikhii| yoM eka sarIkhe suMdara nahIM hote| aMga aura upAMga dekhane jAe~ to rUpa alaga-alaga rahatA hai, lekina lAvaNyatA to eka sarIkhI rahatI hai| koI laMbe, koI moTe, koI ptle| mallInAtha bhI suMdara the| dehakarmI the| kahIM yoM hI to, kahIM dehakarmI ke binA to vahA~ para kyA patte lagAne se hotA hai? nahIM ho sakatA hai| tIrthaMkara kahalAte haiN| unakI vedanIya meM pharka rahatA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bahuta duHkha par3e the aura bAkI saba tIrthaMkaroM ko km| bAkI saba tIrthaMkaroM ko bahuta sukha mile| kisI kA tIrthaMkara nAmakarma zAtA vedanIyavAlA hotA hai aura kisI kA azAtA vedanIyavAlA hotA hai| praznakartA : vaha puNya ke AdhAra para hotA hogA na? dAdAzrI : vahI! puNya vagairaha sbkuch| vaha isake aMdara sAtha meM A gyaa| koI tIrthaMkara nAmakarma sunate hI pUrI pablika ohoho ho jAtI hai aura kucha nAmakarma sunate hI mu~ha bicakAkara vApasa jAne lagate haiN| yaha saba to taraha-taraha kA hai| kucha aise hote haiM jo sabhI jAtiyoM meM pUjya bana jAte haiM, phira bhI pUre hiMdustAna meM zAyada na bhI ho aura kucha aise haiM jinakI pUjyatA kucha hI jAtiyoM meM rahatI hai| kucha kA AyuSya choTA hotA hai, kucha kA laMbA hotA haiN| aisA saba pharka hotA hai| sabhI tarapha se mela khAne para mile jJAnIpada koI bhI z2immedArIvAlA pada prApta ho, to usake kailkyUlezansa

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma (ginatI) hote haiM, tabhI vaha pada milatA hai| nahIM to vaha pada prApta nahIM ho sktaa| to kauna-kauna se kailkyUlezana milane cAhie? yaha to mukhya lakSaNa batA rahA hU~ ki z2immedArIvAlI posTa para kauna AtA hai? 263 I I nAmakarma ucca hotA hai, janma se hI ucca hotA hai / vaha Adeya nAmakarma hai| bacapana se hI loga 'Ao bhAI, Ao' kahate haiN| bar3A hone ke bAda bhI Aie, Aie kahate haiM / jiMdagIbhara vaha Adeya nAmakarma rahatA hai / aura phira yazanAma karma hotA hai / yoM hI hAtha lagAU~ to bhI sAmanevAle kA kAma bana jAtA hai yAnI ki kaI taraha ke nAmakarma hote haiM / aura phira aMga- upAMga nAmakarma hote haiN| aMga kurUpa nahIM hote| hAtha kI u~galiyA~, paira kI u~galiyA, kAna, mAthA vagairaha kucha bhI kurUpa nahIM hote| AkAra bahuta suMdara hotA hai| phira aura kyA hotA hai? lokapUjya gotra hotA hai / aura AyuSya karma bhI acchA lekara Ae hote haiM / aura vedanIya karma aisA lAe hote haiM ki kama se kama azAtA vedanIya AtI hai| dekho na, isa paira meM phraikcara huA lekina hameM azAtA vedanIya nahIM huii| aise sabhI guNAkAra hote haiM, taba yaha pada milatA hai| ataH maiM kahIM apane Apa aisA nahIM bana gayA ! isa kAla meM to hamArI zAtA vedanIya bahuta acchI kahI jaaegii| sArA hisAba lekara Ae haiN| dAdA cAra karma tIrthaMkara jaise lekara Ae haiM aura ye jo cAra karma haiM na, ve isa kAla kI vajaha se kacce par3a ge| kacce par3e tabhI to ina saba ke sAtha uThate-baiThate haiN| dekho na, nAztA karane jAte haiM na, nahIM to nAztA karane kauna Ae? to agara pUrNa ho gae hote to Apake hisse meM kaise Ate? isalie adhUre rahe to acchA huA / dAdA ko isameM nukasAna hai hI nahIM / dAdA kI icchA aisI hai ki yaha jagat sahI jJAna aura sahI mArga prApta kare aura zAMti prApta kare / kucha mokSa pAe~ aura kucha zAMti pAe~, kucha vItarAga mArga ko pAe~ aura kucha sacce dharma ko paaeN| yahI dAdA kI icchA hai, aura koI icchA nahIM hai / usa icchA ke lie hI hai yaha sabakucha | tIrthaMkaroM kI bhI aisI hI icchA rahatI hai|

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264 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : isa umra ke bAda aba zakti ghaTatI hI jAnI cAhie isalie sabhI ko Azcarya hotA hai ki dAdA aThahattara sAla kI umra meM bhI itanA acchA kAma kara sakate haiM, itanA adhika ghUma sakate haiM, aisaa| isake pIche devI-devatAoM kI zakti nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : kRpA to hai hI na! vaha bhI udayakarma ke adhIna hai| yaha nimitta pahale se hI seTa hai, nayA nahIM hai| yazanAma karma, bAkI ke sabhI karmoM ke phala svarUpa hai| nAmakarma to bahuta bar3A, acchaa| lokapUjya gotra vagairaha bahuta ucca haiN| AyuSya aThahattara sAla kA ho jAe arthAt bahuta ucca hai| praznakartA : haz2AroM loga yAda kiyA karate haiM, khyAti phailatI hai| yahI nAmakarma hai na? dAdAzrI : nAmakarma, aise khyAti phailanA, vaha nAmakarma nahIM hai| khyAti phailanA to Aja ke karma kA phala hai| aura nAmakarma jo phala detA hai vaha alaga prakAra kA hai, yAnI ki jahA~ jAe vahA~ para mAna-tAna sabhI kucha milatA hai| ___ ataH kAma ina 'dAdA bhagavAna' kA hai aura yazaphala mujhe milatA rahatA hai| 'inheM' yaza cAhie nahIM aura yazanAma karma to 'merA' hai na! praznakartA : 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko to kaisA yaza? ve to nirlepa haiM na! dAdAzrI : 'unheM' ye AThoM karma haiM hI nhiiN| ye sAre ATha karma mere haiN| jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya, aMtarAya, nAma, gotra, vedanIya aura aayussy| ye AThoM karma mere haiN| praznakartA : ve 'mere' yAnI kisake? dAdAzrI : 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke hI na! aise hisAba lagAne jAe~ to kahate haiM 'jJAnAvaraNa?' nahIM, vaha thor3A sA hI hai, cAra-cAra DigrI jitanA hii| darzanAvaraNa z2arA sA bhI nahIM, mohanIya bilkula nahIM, aMtarAya nahIM kisI bhI prakAra ke| aMtarAya kA matalaba kyA hai ki khuda kI icchA anusAra cIz2a prApta nahIM honaa|

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 265 koI kahe, 'isa saMta ke jitane hIre kyoM nahIM hai dAdA ke pAsa?' maiMne kahA, 'dAdA ko icchA hI nahIM hotI na!' merI icchA ho aura na mile to aMtarAya khlaaegaa| vaisI icchA hI nahIM hai na kisI prakAra kii| darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya, aMtarAya ke bAda vedanIya meM se khAsa taura para azAtA vedanIya kabhI kabhAra hI hotI hai, bAkI azAtA vedanIya nahIM rhtii| aura vaha bhI phira kucha khAsa nahIM hotii| khuda jAna sakeM, aisI hotI hai| nAmakarma bahuta acchA, gotrakarma bhI acchA, AyuSya bhI acchaa| sabhI prakAra se phula, AThoM karma ucca prakAra ke! kevalajJAna kA matalaba kyA hai? cAra ghAtIkarma kA baMda ho jAnA, ruka jAnA, use kahate haiM kevljnyaan| aura ve cAra jo aghAtI karma kahalAte haiM, jo baMdhe hue haiM, ve| aghAtI se to bhagavAna bhI nahIM baca sake na! vaise hI Apake bhI aghAtI haiM aura unake bhI aghAtI haiM lekina unake aghAtI meM pharka hai ki ve una saba ko khapA-khapAkara gae aura Apake aghAtI khapAne bAkI haiM lekina donoM hI aghAtI mAne jAte haiN| eka kA sau rupaye kA qarz2a aura kisI kA lAkha kA qarz2a lekina donoM qarz2a hI mAne jaaeNge| sau vAle ko eka-eka rupayA bharanA par3atA hai aura ise haz2Ara-haz2Ara bharane par3ate haiM kyoMki rakama bar3I hai| phira bhI ina sabhI karmoM ko khapAnA haiN| khapAnA arthAt samatApUrvaka khapAne par3eMge na! hama Dibbe (bharA huA mAla) lekara Ae haiM, ve sabhI Dibbe vApasa de dene pdd'eNge| ye Dibbe parAI cIz2a haiN| apane nahIM haiM ye Dibbe / parAyA mAla hai yaha saaraa| de nahIM denA par3egA? de do yaha saba jhaTapaTa / 'jhaTapaTa yahA~ se le jAo bhaaii| apanA mAla apane ghara le jaao|' praznakartA : aba jo DiscArja karma haiM, ve to bace haiM na? dAdAzrI : DiscArja arthAt cAra ghAtI karmoM kA pariNAma aura cArja arthAt ghAtIkarma kA kAraNa, yAnI ki koNj'| yAnI ki kAraNa baMda ho gayA hai ab| jo aghAtI karma bace haiM, ve ina cAra ghAtIkarmoM kA pariNAma haiN| aba jaba kAraNa thA, tabhI pariNAma utpanna hue the| aba kAraNa baMda ho gae haiM,

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266 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) isalie pariNAma phala dekara cale jAe~ge, khatma ho jaaeNge| usake bAda niraMtara vedanIya karma bhogatA rahatA hai| niraMtara nAmakarma bhogatA rahatA hai, niraMtara gotrakarma bhogatA rahatA hai, niraMtara AyuSya karma bhogatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : AyuSya, vedanIya, nAma aura gotra, AtmajJAna ho yA nahIM ho taba bhI ye saba bhogane hI par3ate haiM? dAdAzrI : ThIka hai, bAta sahI hai| vaha to jise jJAna ho gayA ho use bhI bhoganA hai aura nahIM huA ho use bhI bhoganA hai| lekina jJAnavAle ko jo bhoganA hai, use khuda ko sparza na kareM, isa taraha karma bhogane haiM aura jJAna nahIM liyA hai use sparza kareM, isa taraha bhoganA hai| bhoganA to donoM ko hI hai| phira jitanA sparza hogA utanA hI bhogavaTA rahegA aura yadi sparza nahIM kare, jJAtA-daSTA rahe to bhogavaTA nahIM rhegaa| vahA~ para jitanI jAgati rahegI utanA hI lAbha hogaa| zukladhyAna se naSTa hote haiM ghAtIkarma praznakartA : anaMta jJAna, anaMta darzana, anaMta sukha aura anaMta zakti AtmA ke ye jo cAra guNa haiM, unheM AvRta kara dete haiM isalie ve ghAtIkarma kahalAte haiN| kyoMki ye AtmA ke svabhAva kA ghAta kara rahe haiM, isalie ve balavAna haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki zabdoM para se hameM bahuta nahIM samajha lenA hai| agara donoM meM lar3AI hogI to yaha jiitegaa| balavAna kahane kA matalaba hama aisA nahIM kahanA caahte| ye sUryanArAyaNa haiM na, aba bAdala Ae~ to sUryanArAyaNa ko Dhaka dete haiM to kyA isameM bAdala balavAna haiM? lekina abhI bala dikha rahA hai na unakA, balavAna nahIM hai| vaha lar3e to koI bhI phAyadA nahIM hogaa| AtmA anaMta zakti kA dhanI hai| eka Thokara mAre to sabakucha khatma kara de, lekina vaha karatA nahIM hai| hA~, yadi vizeSa zakti kA upayoga kare to kucha kA kucha kara de| praznakartA : jo zuddha cidrUpa (jJAna svarUpa) ke dhyAna meM tatpara ho jAe, ekAgra ho jAe, vaha sarvottama zukladhyAna hai| dhyAna agni ko itanA

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 267 balavAna kahA gayA hai ki sarva ghAtIkarmoM ko jalAkara bhasmIbhUta kara detA dAdAzrI : hA~, isalie ina sabhI ko, Apako yaha jJAnAgni hI dI hai na! Apako yaha dhyAna, zukladhyAna diyA hai isIlie vaha Apake sabhI ghAtIkarmoM kA nAza kara detA hai| praznakartA : hA~, vaha ghAtIkarmoM kA nAza kara detA hai| yadi Apa zuddha cidrUpa ke dhyAna meM A jAo to| dAdAzrI : zukladhyAna hI diyA huA hai| sabhI ko zukladhyAna hI baratatA hai aura vaha jo zukladhyAna hai, vaha ina ghAtIkarmoM kA nAza kara detA fic praznakartA : isIlie ina cAra karmoM ko balavAna likhA gayA hai na! yaha zukladhyAna to una ghAtIkarmoM kA nAza kara detA hai| dAdAzrI : agara aisA nahIM likheMge to phira loga aisA samajheMge ki 'oho, inheM to hama eka jhaTake meM nikAla deMge, yoM palabhara meN|' vaha to vyavahAra meM aisA likhanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : ghAtIkarmoM kA nAza to zuddha cidrUpa khuda ke zukladhyAna se, kara detA hai| aba jo nAza karatA hai, vaha prakriyA kauna sI hogI? udAharaNa ke taura para sUrya kI dhUpa meM aneka jIvANuoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai| aisA dhUpa ke kAraNa hotA hai| usI taraha isa zuddha cidrUpa ke tApa se, usake prakAza se ina aghAtIkarmoM kA nAza ho jAtA hogA na? yaha aisA hai yA kaisA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai| khuda ke svarUpa kI mUrchA kI vajaha se isa vizeSabhAva kA asara ho gayA hai to usase ajAgRti utpanna ho gii| kaise huI? ina sabhI ke sAnidhya meM, sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se| jaise ki agara koI eka vyakti bar3A seTha ho, vaha itanI sI brAMDI pI le, to phira? phira khuda kA sarvasva bhAna kho detA hai, use phira kucha aura hI utpanna ho jAtA

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268 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai, 'maiM to gAyakavAr3a sarakAra huuN|' vaha kucha naI hI taraha kA bolatA hai| usa ghar3I zarAba kA nazA hotA hai| usI prakAra yahA~ para ajJAna kA nazA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : kyoMki jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, ye cAroM hI AvaraNa ajJAnatA kA kAraNa haiN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, svarUpa ke ajJAna (svarUpa kI ajJAnatA) kI vajaha se yaha AvaraNa AyA hai aura svarUpa ke bhAna kI vajaha se AvaraNa TUTa jAtA hai| DiscArja karma to mahAvIra bhagavAna ko bhI the| jaba unake ye cAra ghAtIkarma naSTa ho gae, taba kevalajJAna utpanna huaa| kucha aMzoM taka nAza hone para AtmajJAna hotA hai, saMpUrNataH nAza ho jAe to kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai| phira bhI bAkI ke cAra aghAtI to rahate haiN| mUla meM hai mohanIya praznakartA : roMga bilIpha aura ina cAra ghAtI karmoM ke bIca saMbaMdha to hai na? dAdAzrI : darzanAvaraNa karma ko hI roMga bilIpha kahate haiN| praznakartA : roMga bilIpha arthAt darzanAvaraNa karma, to jJAnAvaraNa ke lie kauna sA hai? dAdAzrI : darzanAvaraNa kI vajaha se jJAnAvaraNa utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : darzanAvaraNa meM ekcualI kyA hotA hai? yAnI ki mUla vastu kA darzana AvRta ho gayA hai? dAdAzrI : darzana AvRta ho gayA hai, isIlie phira roMga bilIpha baiTha gii| rAiTa bilIpha thI, usake bajAya roMga bilIpha baiTha gii| praznakartA : aura roMga bilIpha se vApasa darzana AvRta hotA jAtA hai, aisA bhI hai na?

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 269 dAdAzrI : phira AvaraNa bar3hatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : ye jo cAroM karma haiM, ye darzanAvaraNa, jJAnAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, inameM koI liMka hotA hai kyA? eka dUsare ke bIca koI saMbaMdha dAdAzrI : saMbaMdha se hI hai| ye saba eka hI haiM, lekina ise to logoM ko samajhAne ke lie alaga batAyA gayA hai| praznakartA : aisA kisa taraha se hai yaha? to inakA saMbaMdha kisa prakAra se hai? dAdAzrI : yaha sArA mohanIya meM hI hai| AThoM karma mohanIya kI vajaha se hI baMdhate haiN| sabhI kucha mohanIya meM, eka hI zabda ho to bhI clegaa| praznakartA : isakA yogya saMbaMdha kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : saba se pahale mohanIya AtA hai| mohanIya meM sabakucha samA jAtA hai| yaha sArA mohanIya hI khar3A ho gayA hai| mohanIya arthAt sone ko sone ke rUpa meM nahIM dekhakara, dUsare prakAra se dekhnaa| mUla AtmA ko AtmA ke rUpa meM nahIM dekhakara, arthAt jaisA hai usake bajAya ulTA hI dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : ye jJAnAvaraNa-darzanAvaraNa aura ve cAra kaSAya, yoM to inake bIca to saMbaMdha hai na? dAdAzrI : ve to yahI kaSAya haiN| z2yAdA spaSTatA ke lie samajhAne ke lie nAma rakhate haiN| bAkI kyA hai? krodha-mAna Adi sabhI moha ke bacce haiM! isIlie hama darzanamoha ko khatma kara dete haiM, cAritramoha bacA hai, bs| praznakartA : usa darzanAvaraNa-jJAnAvaraNa se yaha darzana guNa AvRta ho gyaa| jJAnaguNa AvRta ho gayA aura avyAbAdha sukha AvRta ho gyaa| guNoM kA AvRta ho jAnA aura AvaraNa, yaha saba kisa taraha se hai?

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270 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : ye AThoM karma mohanIya ke rUpa meM haiN| mohanIya gayA to sabhI kucha gyaa| praznakartA : kyA ina karmoM kI vajaha se AtmA ke sabhI guNa AvRta hue haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI AvRta hue haiN| praznakartA : agara yaha mohanIya TUTa jAegA, darzanamoha TUTa jAegA to phira guNa prakaTa hote jaaeNge| dAdAzrI : guNa prakaTa hote jaaeNge| jaba pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa ho gae to, vahI kevalajJAna kahalAtA haiN| kaSAyoM se hI karmabaMdhana praznakartA : cAroM ghAtIkarmoM aura kaSAyoM ke bIca meM kyA saMbaMdha haiM? kaSAyoM kI vajaha se ghAtIkarma baMdhate haiM yA ghAtIkarmoM kI vajaha se kaSAya hote haiM? dAdAzrI : abhI hameM kyA ho rahA hai? ghAtIkarma kI vajaha se kaSAya utpanna hote haiN| aba yadi hama itanA samajha jAe~ ki hama khuda kauna haiM to phira ina kaSAyoM ko dUra kiyA jA skegaa| praznakartA : dUra kiyA jA sakegA yA dUra ho jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : dUra ho jaaeNge| aba jaba kaSAya dUra ho jAe~ge to ghAtIkarma nahIM bNdhege| aba jaba kaSAya dUra ho jAe~ge to sirpha ghAtIkarma hI nahIM, ghAtI aura aghAtI donoM prakAra ke karma nahIM bdhege| akrama jJAna se ekAvatArI pada praznakartA : cAra ghanaghAtI karma kisa taraha TUTa sakate haiM? inameM se kisa taraha se chUTA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : chUTa hI cuke ho na! phira aba aura kyA pUchanA hai? cAra

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma aghAtI karma bace haiN| ghanaghAtI chUTa cuke haiM / ye ghanaghAtI thor3e bahuta aMzoM meM bace haiM, ve bhI ekAdha janma ke bAkI bace haiN| jo ghAtI the, ve ekAdha janma ke bAkI haiN| chUTa cuke haiM phira bhI aisA kyoM pUcha rahe ho? hA~, aghAtI nahIM chUTe haiN| jinase ghAta nahIM hotA ve nahIM chUTe haiN| ve apane Apa chUTate rheNge| 271 praznakartA : ghAtIkarma pUrI taraha se to nahIM chUTate na, dAdA ? kyoMki ghAtIkarma pUrNarUpa se chUTa jAe~ taba to kevalajJAna ho jAegA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, to kevalajJAna ho jaaegaa| yAnI hameM eka janma mile itane karma haiM bAkI saba ghaTa gae haiM na ! chUTa cuke haiM tabhI to aMdara nirAkulatA rahatI hai, nahIM to rahatI hI nahIM na! eka janma jitanA bAkI bacA hai / phira agara kisI ko cAra janma karane hoM to ? kyA hama unheM manA kara sakate haiM? yadi mere kahe anusAra cale to eka janma se z2yAdA, dUsarA janma nahIM hogA / aba rahA cAritramoha praznakartA : aisA kaba patA calatA hai ki jJAnAvaraNa karma calA gayA hai, darzanAvaraNa karma calA gayA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba hameM sabhI sUjha par3ane lage taba samajhanA ki darzanAvaraNa calA gyaa| aba paz2ala khar3I nahIM hotI hai na? khar3I ho to apane Apa hI khatma ho jAtI hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki darzanAvaraNa pUrA hI calA gyaa| usake bAda jJAnAvaraNa kucha aMzoM taka bAkI bacA, yaha vaha hai / mohanIya pUrA hI calA gayA hai| isIlie sArI ciMtAe~ baMda ho gaI haiN| mohanIya pUrA hI calA gayA hai / aura phira cAritra mohanIya bacA hai / koI 'Aie sAhaba, Aie sAhaba' kare, phira bhI hameM usameM ruci nahIM hai ab| pahale jo ruci thI, vaha ruci khatma ho gaI hai / yA phira agara loga apamAna kareM to usameM bhI ruci nahIM hai / lokaniMdya gotra ho to kyA kareM? loga niMdA kareM to usameM bhI ruci nahIM hai / lokapUjya gotra, loga tArIpha

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272 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) karate raheM, phira bhI Apako usameM ruci nahIM hai| sabhI inTaresTa cale gae hai na apane Apa? praznakartA : hA~, inTaresTa cale ge| dAdAzrI : batA tujhe aba kisameM inTaresTa hai? lokapUjya gotra meM hai? nahIM kyA? jitanA buddhi meM se nikalA utanA hI kitAboM meM likhA gayA hai aura jitanI use khuda ko samajha hotI hai, likhanevAle kI bhI samajha hotI hai, usa anusAra likhA hai| bAkI, jitanA likhA gayA hai, vaisA kucha bhI mokSamArga meM hai hI nhiiN| usake bajAya jJAna to kucha alaga hI taraha kA nikalegA! rahA dravyakarma deha ko praznakartA : apane yahA~ aisA bulavAte haiM na ki 'dravyakarma se mukta, aisA maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' vaha kisa apekSA se bulavAte haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha to riyala kI apekSA se| praznakartA : riyala kI apekSA se, lekina jaba taka yaha deha hai taba taka cAra aghAtI dravyakarma to rahanevAle hI haiN| dravyakarma to raheMge hI na aMta taka? dAdAzrI : lekina ve caMdUbhAI ke sAtha DiscArja meM rahe hue haiN| praznakartA : aura dravyakarma to TheTha mokSa meM jAne taka raheMge na? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : hama aisA samajhate the ki isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda sabhI karma naSTa ho gae lekina ve cAra ghAtIkarma to hara taraha se khatma ho jAte haiM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bilkula hI khatma nahIM ho jAte, kacha bAkI rahate haiN| ekAdha do janmoM ke lie|

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[2.10] ghAtI-aghAtI karma 273 praznakartA : aura jo cAra aghAtI haiM, ve aMta taka raheMge? dAdAzrI : ve to, jaba taka deha hai taba taka rheNge| taba hotI hai jJAnalabdhi praznakartA : jJAnalabdhi kisa taraha se utpanna hotI hai? dAdAzrI : yazanAma karma hotA hai aura sabhI kucha mila jAtA hai| praznakartA : sirpha yazanAma karma akele se hI? dAdAzrI : bAkI saba bhI hai na! bAkI saba bhI milatA hai aNdr| praznakartA : aura kyA-kyA milatA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnAvaraNa haTa jAe, darzanAvaraNa haTa jAe, mohanIya haTa jAe na aura yaha yazanAma karma mile, taba jJAnalabdhi hotI hai| bAkI logoM ke to darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya kucha bhI nahIM chuuttte| ye cAra to nahIM chUTate aura bAkI ke cAra karma bhI baMdhate haiN| zAtA vedanIya baMdhatA hai, ucca nAmakarma baMdhatA hai, gotra baMdhatA hai aura ucca AyuSya baMdhana hotA hai, lekina ve aghAtI nahIM chuuttte| ataMrAya nahIM TUTate, moha bhI nahIM TUTatA unkaa| isa saMsAra meM se moha chUTa jAegA, taba isameM moha aaegaa| dAdA dete haiM saMpUrNa samAdhAna dAdAzrI : ghAtIkarma khatma ho jAe~ tabhI prathama mokSa hotA hai - kAraNa mokSa hotA hai aura jaba aghAtI bhI khatma ho jAe~, taba AtyaMtika mokSa hotA hai - nirvANa kAla ke smy| jaba se samyak darzana ho jAtA hai, tabhI se niraMtara saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA (nayA karma bIja nahIM DaleM, binA karmaphala pUrA ho jAnA) hotI rahatI hai| jagat ke logoM meM baMdhapUrvaka nirjarA aura yahA~ saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA hai|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : aura kyA ina ATha karmoM kA kSaya hone ke bAda hI 'siddha' huA jA sakatA hai ? 274 dAdAzrI : ThIka hai, hA~ / aba ye sAre Apake nikAlI karma haiM / ye cAra karma hamane kucha hada taka kSaya kara die haiM, aura dUsare jo cAra karma haiM, ve aba kSaya ho rahe haiN| Apako isa sArI pIr3A meM par3ane jaisA nahIM hai / Apa ke lie to, Apa zuddhAtmA ho, to caMdUbhAI jo karate haiM, usase AThoM karma kI nirjarA hI ho rahI hai| una ATha karmoM se mukti ho jAe na, to mokSa ho jAegA lekina prathama mokSa, ekadama se vartana meM nahIM AtA / pahale yaha bilIpha baiThatI hai / hama jo yaha jJAna dete haiM na, to usase bilIpha baiThatI hai yAnI ki samyak darzana hotA hai lekina ekadama se vItarAga cAritra prApta nahIM ho jAtA / cAritra ke vartana meM Ane meM TAima lagatA hai phira, lekina saba se pahale agara zraddhA badala jAe to sabakucha badala jAtA hai| zraddhA hI nahIM bdltii| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' agara vaha nahIM badalegA to kaba pAra AegA? bAra-bAra aise samAdhAna, zAstroM meM nahIM hote yA guru ke pAsa bhI nahIM hote| guru vagairaha saba yahA~ taka nahIM pahu~ca skte| jo kucha bhI sArA samAdhAna karate ho vaha to kevala darzana se hai| mati se, buddhi se nahIM pahu~ca skte| buddhi nahIM ho tabhI yaha prApta hotA hai / eka senTa bhI buddhi nahIM ho taba / praznakartA : dAdA ne dravyakarma kA saba se aMtima khulAsA de diyA hai| aisA kahIM bhI kisI ne nahIM diyA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, dravyakarma samajha meM nahIM A sakatA ! dravyakarma ko yadi samajha jAe na, to kAma hI ho jAe !

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[2.11] bhAvakarma dravyakarma kI vajaha se hote haiM bhAvakarma praznakartA : aba bhAvakarma ke bAre meM vistArapUrvaka smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : yadi bhAvakarma ko samajhanA ho saMkSepa meM, zuruAta samajhanI ho to 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' vahI saba se pahalA bhAvakarma hai| phira usase Age to bahuta sAre haiN| usane jJAnAvaraNa aura darzanAvaraNa kI jo paTTiyA~ bA~dhI haiM, usa vajaha se jo hai vaha dikhAI nahIM detaa| isalie, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' aisA kahatA hai yh| ataH yaha pahalA bhAvakarma hai| kyoMki cazme badala gae haiM, isalie 'use' aise bhAva utpanna hote haiM ki yaha merA duzmana hai aura yaha merA mitra hai, vaha bhAvakarma hai| bhAva ke AdhAra para cazme nahIM haiM, cazme ke AdhAra para abhI bhAva ho rahe haiM aura ve bhAva ho rahe haiM, isalie phira se nae cazme bana jAte haiM, agale janma ke lie drvykrm| bhAvakarma kA mUla artha aisA hai ki usase bhAva aura abhAva hote haiM, isa kAraNa se jagat ke logoM ko karma baMdhana hotA hai| bhAva hote haiM aura abhAva hote haiN| bhAva arthAt rAga aura abhAva arthAt dvess| abhAva arthAt krodha va mAna aura bhAva arthAt lobha va kptt| ina bhAva-abhAva ke AdhAra para bhAvakarma kA baMdhana hotA hai| praznakartA : yAnI lAika aura DisalAika ke AdhAra para? dAdAzrI : lAika aura DisalAika to bAda meM AtA hai| ise bhAvaabhAva kaba taka kahate haiM? ahaMkAra sahita ho, taba tk| aura aMhakAra

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276 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) rahita bhAva-abhAva hoM, to ve lAika-DisalAika haiN| DiscArja meM lAikaDisalAika rahatA hai| ataH bhAva-abhAva se cArja hotA hai| logoM ko yA to bhAva hotA hai yA phira abhAva hotA hai| ina donoM meM se eka hI hotA hai, phira tIsarA nahIM hotaa| ___ kaSAya arthAt bhAvakarma yAnI ki 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~, maiM baniyA' ye saba roMga bilIpheM haiM, ye saba bhAvakarma haiN| aura jaba 'maiM' caMdUbhAI ho gayA to krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ho jAte haiN| unase karma baMdhate haiN| aba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, meM 'maiM' aura 'merA' A gayA kyoMki mAna arthAt 'maiM' A gayA aura lobha arthAt 'merA' yAnI sabhI kucha A gyaa| inase ye bhAvakarma baMdhate haiM aura ye dravyakarma haiM, to isa jagat meM hameM bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| kisI para krodha apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai na? koI apamAna kare to sahana nahIM hotA aura phira vaha krodha karatA hai| nahIM karatA krodha? mAna ko saMbhAlane ke lie krodha karatA hai, paisoM kA dhyAna rakhane ke lie krodha karatA hai, use bhAvakarma kahate haiN| phira kisI zAdI meM gayA huA ho aura risepzanavAlA 'aise' kare to apane Apa hI roba meM A jAtA hai yA phira koI lAta mAranI par3atI hai? binA lAta mAre hI aisA ho jAtA hai na! vaha mAna nAmaka bhAvakarma hai| aura kisI ne namaste nahIM kiyA to ekadama ThaMDA par3a jAtA hai vaha apamAna nAmaka bhAvakarma hai, ThaMDA par3a jAtA hai yA nahIM? agara koI bole nahIM to?! ataH yaha kapaTa karanA, moha karanA ye saba bhAvakarma kahalAte haiN| mAyA arthAt kapaTa krnaa| paisoM ko sa~bhAlane ke lie, mAna sa~bhAlane ke lie kapaTa karatA hai, vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai| khAne-pIne kA to hotA hai, phira bhI lobha nahIM jaataa| paisoM kA lobha karanA, ghara meM behada paise haiM aura acchI taraha ghara cala rahA hai phira bhI pare dina 'hAya paisA, hAya paisA' kare to use kyA kaheMge? lobh| aura jo agale janma meM milanevAlA thA, use Aja hI bhunA liyA (enakeza karavA liyaa)|

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[2.11] bhAvakarma 277 (kudarata ke) baiMka meM se yahA~ Aja hI nikAlakara (ovaraDrAphTa) kharca kara detA hai aura beTe ke lie do lAkha ikaTThe karake beTe se kahatA hai, 'tU kharca karanA, haaN|' are bhAI, lekina agale janma meM kyA karegA tU! are abhAge apane Apa hI Ane de na, naicurala hii| binA bAta kI jutAI kyoM kara rahA hai, itanI AmadanI hai phira bhI? ataH yoM Ate hue ko bigaadd'aa| isalie yaha lobha bhAvakarma kahalAtA hai| bhAvakarma to, jo khuda kI sthiratA ko tor3a deM, khuda kA bhAna tor3a deM, ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| ataH ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha khuda kA bhAna ga~vA dete haiN| lobhI lobha ke bhAna meM rahatA hai, bAkI sabhI bhAna usake TUTa cuke hote haiM, isIlie use lobhAMdha kahate haiM na! sirpha lobha meM hI dikhAI detA hai aura bAkI sabhI jagaha para bilkula aNdh| beTiyA~ ghUmatI rahatI hoM to usameM use koI Apatti nahIM hotI, vaha khuda lobha meM hI ghUmatA rahatA hai| jo cAra kaSAya haiM, vahI bhAvakarma haiN| anya kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : koI bhI cIz2a ina cAroM meM phiTa ho jAe to vaha bhAvakarma dAdAzrI : hA~, jo cAroM meM phiTa ho jAe~ ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| unake alAvA anya koI aura bhAvakarma hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke paramANu inameM mila jAe~, tabhI bhAvakarma utpanna hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ye jo krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM, vahI bhAvakarma haiN| ye jo prakaTa dikhAI dete haiM, ve hI bhAvakarma haiM, agara hiMsaka bhAva sahita hoM to| aura agara hiMsaka bhAva nahIM hotA to krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha bhAvakarma nahIM kahalAte haiN| DiscArja bhAva bhAvakarma nahIM khlaate| bhAvakarma jIvaMta hote haiM yAnI ki mizracetana hote haiN| yaha vaijJAnika prayoga hai na, isameM aura kucha bhI nahIM clegaa| aura kucha eDajasTa bhI nahIM hogA na! jahA~ para vijJAna hI ho, vahA~ para virodhAbhAsa nahIM hotaa| virodhAbhAsa kramika mArga meM

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hotA hai kyoMki eka ko aisA kahate haiM, aura dUsare ko aisA kahate haiM / yahA~ para to eka hI taraha kA kahate haiM / 278 krodha- - mAna-mAyA-lobha jo pahale hote the, unase to bhAvakarma thaa| aba Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM rahe, isalie bhAvakarma khatma ho gayA / bhAvakarma hamane nikAla diyA hai| bhAvakarma kramikamArga meM hotA hai, sTepa bAI sTepa meM hotA hai / praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA hai ki kaSAya hone kI vajaha se bhAvakarma hote haiM to cAra meM se agara ekAdha prakAra kA kaSAya ho, taba bhI utanA hI doSita kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : cAra meM se eka hotA hI nahIM hai na, ve cAroM sAtha meM hI hote haiN| lekina koI z2yAdA yA kama hotA hai / eka netA jaisA bana baiThatA hai aMdara / hote cAroM hI haiM ! hama mArate nahIM hai, hiMsA to nahIM karate, lekina unameM se eka kI hama chuTTI kara dete haiM yahA~ se, to sabhI cale jAte haiM / yAnI mAna nAma kA kaSAya hai na, use hama chuTTI de dete haiM isalie bAkI ke sabhI kaSAya cale jAte haiM / nahIM to bAkI ke sabhI kaSAya, krodha vagairaha chuTTI dene se cale jAte haiM lekina ve to bAda meM vApasa A jAte haiM / aura agara sirpha mAna khatma ho jAe to sabakucha khatma ho jAegA / yoM mAyA ke cha: putra haiM, krodha-mAna-mAyA - lobha, rAga-dveSa aura sAtavIM mAyA, vahI jagat meM sabhI ko pha~sA rahI hai| T I phira ye jo ArtadhyAna- raudradhyAna aura dharmadhyAna haiM, ye sabhI bhAvakarma hai| pharka bhAva aura bhAvakarma meM pUrA jagat bhAvakarma meM pha~sA huA hai / bhAvakarma arthAt bIja bonA / kramikamArga arthAt bhAvakarma para AdhArita / kharAba bIja ke badale acche bIja bone aura vApasa usase bhI acche bIja bonA, phira usase bhI z2yAdA acche aise karate-karate Age bar3hanA hotA hai| praznakartA : mana meM acche vicAra Ate haiM, loga to usI ko bhAva kahate haiM na?

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[2.11] bhAvakarma 279 dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, bhAva ko to loga samajhate hI nahIM haiN| hameM agara yaha cIz2a bhAtI hai, vaha bhAtA hai, to usa saba ko bhAva nahIM khte| bhAva kA to kisI ko patA hI nahIM calatA! bhAva to, vaha sirpha zabdoM meM hI khelatA rahatA hai, 'mujhe yaha bhAtA hai, mujhe vaha bhAtA hai,' ataH yaha merA bhAva hai| vaha bhAva nahIM hai| hA~, ve sAre bIja ugane yogya z2arUra haiM ki jaba taka 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' aisA rahatA hai, taba taka ugate haiM ve aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to nahIM ugte| bAkI ve bhI bhAvakarma nahIM haiN| vAstava meM to ye sAre phala bhAvakarma meM se hI Ae hue haiN| praznakartA : hama kaI bAra acche bhAva karate haiN| unameM se kucha bhAva phalita hote haiM aura kucha bhAva phalita nahIM hote to isakA kyA kAraNa hai? vaha bhI kyA apanA koI bhAvakarma hogA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhAvakarma hai hI nahIM yh| yaha jo bhAva hote haiM na, vaha to icchA hai| bhAva to 'cArja' kahalAtA hai| vaha to hote hI nahIM hai ab| yaha jJAna dene ke bAda baMda ho jAte haiM ve| bhAvakarma nahIM hai yh| yaha hameM bhAtA hai, to ise kyA bhAvakarma kaheMge? bhAva zabda kA upayoga hotA hai, basa itanA hI hai| praznakartA : dAdA hamameM jo bhAvanA utpanna hotI hai, vaha kahA~ se hotI dAdAzrI : kisa cIz2a kI bhAvanA lekina? bhAvanA do taraha kI hotI hai| eka jo hameM bhAtA ho, use bhI bhAvanA kahate haiN| yaha bhAtA (bhAve che) hai mujhe' aisA kahate haiN| yaha iphekTa hai aura jo bhAva utpanna hotA hai, vaha to karma hai, bhAvakarma hai| bhAvanA bhAvakarma kA phala hai| bhAvakarma kaoNz2ez2a kahalAte haiM aura yaha bhAvanA iphekTa hai| yaha bhAtA hai aura vaha bhAtA hai' ve saba iphekTa haiN| tujhe jo bhAtA hai, vaha khA bhAI lekina bIja seka denaa| praznakartA : to kyA bhAvanA aura bhAvakarma ye donoM alaga haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, ajJAna dazA meM bhAvanA bhAvakarma meM hI pariNAmita hogii| aba loga icchA ko bhAvanA meM le jAte haiN| 'merI yaha jo icchA hai,

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280 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) yaha merI bhAvanA hai,' aisA kahate haiN| vaha bhAva nahIM hai, bhAva to cIz2a hI alaga hai| bhAva bahuta gaharI cIz2a hai| bhAvakarma to, Apa aMdara icchAe~ pUrI karane ke lie jo bolate ho na, aMdara bhAvanA karate ho na ki 'mujhe makAna banAnA hai, mujhe zAdI karanI hai, baccoM kI zAdI karavAnI hai,' aise saba jo bhAva karate ho na? yahA~ para jo aise bhAva karate ho na, usase aMdara jo sUkSma bhAva baMdha jAte haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiN| pariNAma meM bhAvakarma nahIM hote| ye saba pariNAma kahalAte haiN| bhAvakarma kaoNz2az2a ke rUpa meM hote haiN| ye sabhI bhAvanAe~ iphekTa kahalAtI haiN| ve pariNAma ke rUpa meM hotI haiN| yaha jo bhAvakarma hai, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| bhAvakarma ko samajhanA bahuta muzkila cIz2a hai| ye loga to aisA hI samajhate haiM ki mujhe bhAtA hai ataH yaha merA bhAvakarma hai, aisA nahIM hai| bhAvakarma vyavahAra meM nahIM aataa| vaha aisA nahIM hai ki vyavahAra meM dikhe| asta hotI huI icchAe~ to jJAnI ko bhI rahatI hai bhAvakarma to Apake dhyAna meM bhI na aae| 'mujhe aisA bhAva ho rahA hai, aisA bhAva ho rahA hai, vaisA bhAva ho rahA hai,' ina saba kA to Apako patA calatA hai jabaki bhAvakarma kA to patA hI nahIM cltaa| hama nirIcchaka kahalAte haiM ki jinheM kisI bhI prakAra kI icchA nahIM hai ab| phira bhI agara dopahara kA eka baja gayA ho aura phira Der3ha baja jAe to hama yoM karake dekhate haiM aMdara ki kyoM Aja koI khAnA nahIM de rahA hai? to kyoM aisA kahate haiM?' ve khuda kyA koI menejara haiM ki aisA saba dekha rahe haiM? to kahate haiM, 'nahIM, icchA hai khAne kii|' nirIcchaka ko kisa cIz2a kI icchA hai? khAne kI icchA hai| ye sArI icchAe~ DiscArja icchAe~ haiN| ye bhAva DiscArja haiM, jaise sUryanArAyaNa ugate haiM aura asta hote haiM, taba ve asta hote samaya bhI vaise hI dikhAI dete haiN| lekina yaha icchA abhI palabhara meM baMda ho jAnevAlI hai jabaki ve icchAe~ ugatI huI haiN| icchAe~ aMta

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[2.11] bhAvakarma 281 taka raheMgI na, bhAva bhI raheMge na ! koI kahe ki mujhe Ama bhAtA hai, to use loga kyA kahate haiM? bhAvakarma baaNdhaa| are, vaha aisA nahIM hai| bhAvakarma itanA AsAna nahIM hai ki jaldI se samajha meM A jaae| praznakartA : to hRdaya meM se sphurita honevAle bhAvoM ko hI bhAvakarma kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhAvakarma kA to patA hI nahIM cale, aisI cIz2a hai| vaha aisI cIz2a hai ki use samajhanevAlA samajha sakatA hai lekina samajhAyA nahIM jA sktaa| bhAvakarma agara use samajha meM A jAe, tabhI se aisA kahA jAegA ki usane puruSArtha prAraMbha kiyA, aura bhAvakarma kaba samajha meM AtA hai? jise AtmajJAna kI zuruAta huI ho yA phira jJAna ho gayA ho, use samajha meM AtA hai| bAkI yaha to sArA vyavahAra meM jo sabakucha bolate haiM vaisA hI saba taraha kA bolanA hai ki mujhe phalAnA bhAtA hai, mujhe phalAnA bhAtA hai, Agraha karake khA jAtA hai, bhAva karake khA jAtA hai, to usase bhAvakarma kA koI lenAdenA nahIM hai| yaha jo samakita huA hai to eka dina agara aMdara gaharAI meM utaroge to samajha meM AegA yA nahIM AegA ki yaha kyA hai? yaha kauna karavAtA hai? vaha cIz2a aisI nahIM hai ki aise samajhAI jA ske| hamase kaI loga pUchate haiM, 'jJAna kaise huA?' to jJAna kisa taraha se samajhAyA jA sakatA hai use? vahA~ para zabdoM kA jaMjAla hotA hI nahIM hai| zuddha bhAva sudhAre donoM janma praznakartA : bhAvakarma kA artha kyA hai? eka udAharaNa dekara samajhAie dAdAzrI : eka vyakti aisA kahatA hai ki 'maiMne pacAsa haz2Ara rupae kA dharma dAna kiyA lekina apane meyara sAhaba ke dabAva kI vajaha se die haiN| varnA to maiM aisA hU~ hI nahIM ki kisI ko duuN|' kisI ke davAba kI vajaha

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282 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) se rupae dene par3eM, aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? aba meyara ke dabAva kI vajaha se pacAsa haz2Ara rupae die| aba ve pacAsa haz2Ara rupae kauna jamA karegA? kauna se khAte meM jamA hoMge? kyoMki usakA bhAva to aisA hai| usakA bhAva dene kA nahIM hai| yaha to meyara kA dabAva AyA isalie die haiN| koI pUche ki 'kyA usakA diyA huA bilkula bekAra jAegA?' to kahate haiM, 'nahIM, bekAra nahIM jaaegaa| usane diyA hai usakA kucha na kucha phala to milanA hI caahie|' to vaha yaha hai ki, 'yahA~ isa saMsAra meM, isa janma meM mila jaaegaa|' loga, 'vAhavAha' kreNge| lekina agale janma meM nahIM milegaa| aura koI vyakti agara bhAvapUrvaka detA hai, to usakI isa saMsAra meM bhI loga 'vAha-vAha' kareMge aura aba agale janma meM vApasa usakA phala milegA, ye donoM mileNge| ise kahate haiM bhaavkrm| agara isa bhAva ko hama sApha rakheM na, to usakA phala yahA~ para bhI milegA aura vahA~ para bhI milegaa| aura agara bhAva bigAr3A to bhAvakarma bigAr3a diyaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to khatma huA bhAvakarma praznakartA : z2yAdAtara karma to bhAvakarma se hI baMdhate hoMge na? dAdAzrI : bhAvakarma se hI yaha pUrA jagat khar3A ho gayA hai| hama bhAvakarma baMda kara dete haiM cAbI se, isalie vaha alaga ho jAtA hai| ata: karma baMdhana ruka jAtA hai| AjJA kA pAlana karate ho na, sirpha utanA hI karma baMdhana hotA hai, eka do janma ke lie| pUrA jagat bhAvakarma se hI baMdhA huA hai| jaba taka aisA hai ki 'maiM' 'caMdUbhAI hU~', taba taka bhAvakarma hai aura jaba aisA ho jAe ki 'maiM zaddhAtmA ha~' to vahA~ para bhAvakarma kA baMdhanA baMda ho gyaa| bhAva arthAt astitv| jahA~ khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ para khuda kA astitva mAnanA, vahI bhAvakarma hai| praznakartA : vastutva mAnane kA artha abhAva hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vastutva ke abhAva se bhAva hotA hai| vastutva kA

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[2.11] bhAvakarma 283 bhAva huA ki bhAvakarma khatma jAtA hai| ataH astitva to hai lekina yadi AtmA meM astitva ko mAne to bhAvakarma nahIM hai aura astitva ko isa dehAdhyAsa meM mAne to bhAvakarma hai| ataH sirpha bhAvakarma hI bAdhaka haiM, bAkI kucha nhiiN| bhAvakarma se hI yaha jagat khar3A hotA hai aura usI ke pariNAma Ate haiN| agara bhAvakarma baMda ho jAe to usase jagat asta ho jAtA hai| usake bAda sirpha phala bhogane bAkI rahate haiN| kartAbhAva se bhAvakarma phira hai mUla bhAva ki yaha 'maiMne kiyA' aisA kahA ki bhAva utpanna huaa| kartAbhAva se kiyA, to vaha kartA hai, usase bhAvakarma bnaa| bhoktAbhAva se bhoganA vaha bhI bhAvakarma kahalAtA hai| isa jJAna ke bAda, hama bhoktAbhAva se nahIM bhogate, hama nikAla bhAva se bhogate haiN| hama samabhAva se nikAla kara dete haiM aura ajJAna dazAvAlA to bhoktAbhAva se bhogatA hai| Apako anubhava hotA hai ki 'iTa hepansa?' praznakartA : hA~, daadaa| dAdAzrI : kyA-kyA ho rahA hai? praznakartA : sabakucha ho hI rahA hai, vahA~ para apanA kartApana hai hI kahA~? dAdAzrI : aura jo kartApana hai vaha aMdara bhAvAtmaka bhAva se hai| vaha maiMne baMda kara diyA hai| pUrA jagat bhAvakarma se hI kartA banatA hai| use baMda kara diyA hai hmne| tAlA lagA diyA hai vahA~ pr| ___ 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA bhAva rakhanA aura phira jo kucha bhI hotA hai vaha bhAvakarma kahalAtA hai| 'maiM isakA kartA hU~' vaha bhAvakarma hai| 'maiM kartA nahIM hU~, isakA kartA vyavasthita hai' aisA to rahatA hai na? to phira kyA? to bhAvakarma khatma ho gyaa|

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[ 2.12 ] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma bhAvakarma aura dravyakarma ke bIca saMbaMdha praznakartA : tIna prakAra ke karma haiM na, inameM se bhAvakarma aura dravyakarma ke bIca meM nimitta - naimittika saMbaMdha kyA hai? vaha ThIka se samajhA dIjie / dAdAzrI : dravyakarma arthAt yaha jo zAtA-azAtA bhoganA par3atA hai na, vaha hai dravyakarma / aura phira ye yaza-apayaza milatA hai, vaha bhI dravyakarma hai| bar3appana-choTApana jo milatA hai, vaha dravyakarma hai| AyuSya acchA yA kama milatA hai, vaha dravyakarma hai / ataH ye vedanIya, nAma, gotra aura AyuSya, ye cAra aura jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya / ye AThoM ATha dravyakarma, inameM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM / bhAvakarma kisa taraha se utpanna hote haiM ? to kahate haiM ki jaba azAtA vedanIya AtA hai, taba baccoM para cir3ha jAtA hai, vAipha para cir3ha jAtA hai, zAtA vedanIya AyA to khuza ho jAtA hai / phira AtA hai ucca gotrakarma, agara ucca gotrakarma mile to khuza hotA hai / halke prakAra kA gotrakarma ho, taba koI kahe ki 'Apa loga to halke ho' to phira duHkha hotA hai / ata: isameM se bhAvakarma baMdhate haiM / praznakartA : ve jo sUkSma paramANu aMdara par3e hue hote haiM, ve kyA dravyakarma ke rUpa meM par3e hote haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, dravyakarma ke rUpa meM, sahI hai| ataH ye saba jo dravyakarma haiM, to bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM / lekina agara Apa inake mAlika nahIM bano to bhAvakarma khatma ho jaaeNge| Apa isakA mAlikIpana mAna baiThe

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 285 ho, usase ye bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| isakA mAlikIpanA chUTa jAe to phira bhAvakarma khatma ho jaaegaa| bhAvakarma khatma ho jAegA to phira cArja karma baMda ho jAte haiM aura sirpha DiscArja hI rahatA hai| ve isa deha se bhogane haiN| praznakartA : bhAvakarma meM prakAra aura DigrI usI anusAra hotI hai yA usake prakAra aura DigrI badalate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| eka hI taraha kA hotA hai| vaha mUla jagaha se risatA rahatA hai, use bhAvakarma kahate haiN| aura phira usase nae dravyakarma banate-banate to kitanA hI TAima laga jAtA hai! AtmA ko azuddhi lagane kA rahasya praznakartA : yahA~ para prazna yaha utpanna hotA hai ki AtmA yadi zuddha hI thA, bilkula, pUrNa shuddh| yaha jo pudgala ke sAmIpya meM AyA thA, taba use aisA kyoM ho gayA? 'maiM zuddha nahIM hU~' aura usane yaha pakar3a liyA, apanI zuddhatA ko vaha bhUla gayA usa samaya? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha bhUlA nahIM hai kucha bhii| vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiN| praznakartA : yAnI ki usane bhAva kiyA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhAva vagairaha kucha bhI kiyA hI nhiiN| usa dravyakarmoM meM se, ye vyatireka guNa bhAvakarma utpanna hue| bhAvakarma yAnI ki, mAna ataH maiM va lobha yAnI meraa| maiM aura merA huA ki zurU ho gyaa| usa 'maiM' ko du:kha hotA hai| AtmA ko to kucha sparza hI nahIM karatA lekina aba use yaha duHkha par3anA baMda kaise hogA? usa duHkha kA anubhava hotA hai na! kyoMki 'maiM' pane kI bilIpha hai| bilIpha yAnI kyA hai ki isameM cetana kA pAvara bharA huA hai, mAna liyA hai islie| cetana kA kaisA pAvara AyA? biliiphruupii| usa pAvara kA duHkha hai, isameM yaha pAvara hai na, usase du:kha hai| pAvara khiMca jAe to du:kha

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286 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) calA jaaegaa| ataH isa sela ke pAvara kA upayoga ho jAe na, to phira yaha sela khaalii| vyatireka guNoM se yaha pAvara khar3A ho gayA hai| ise vyavahAra AtmA kahate haiN| vAstava meM yaha AtmA nahIM hai, 'pratiSThita AtmA' hai| praznakartA : ye jo do mUlabhUta tatva ikaTThe rahate haiM, kyA ve khuda ke guNa aura svabhAva ko nahIM chor3ate? dAdAzrI : lenA-denA hI nahIM hai| kucha bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai| yadi kabhI krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna nahIM hote na, to AtmA aMdara rahatA aura indriyA~ aMdara khAtI rahatIM ArAma se, khAnA-pInA vagairaha sabhI kucha calatA lekina ye vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiN| isameM krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha khar3e ho gae haiN| ___ 'maiM cadUbhAI hU~' aisA mAnakara jo kucha bhI kiyA jAtA hai, ve saba bhAvakarma haiM, ataH usase karma baMdha ge| aura maiM zuddhAtmA hU~,' vaha svabhAva hai, isameM AtmA svabhAva meM hai lekina bhAvakarma arthAt vibhAva meM hai| ataH 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha vibhAvakarma hai, vahI bhAvakarma hai| jinake kAraNa ulTA dikhatA hai, ve sabhI bhAvakarma kahalAte haiN| jinake kAraNa sIdhA dikhe, ve svabhAvakarma kahalAte haiN| ataH bhAva jo cIz2a hai usameM se ulTA dikhatA hai aura bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| 'yaha karU~ aura vaha karU~ aura phalAnA karU~' ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| praznakartA : ye jo bhAvakarma hote haiM, 'yaha karU~ aura vaha karU~,' ve bhAva cArja bhAva haiM yA DiscArja bhAva haiM? dAdAzrI : jJAna lene ke bAda ve to DiscArja bhAva kahalAte haiN| bAkI saba logoM meM to ve cArja bhAva hI haiM na! 'maiM kara rahA hU~' vahI cArja bhAva hai| hA~. nATakIya 'maiM' kI bAta alaga hai| nATikIya 'maiM' vAlA to koIkoI hI hotA hai n| bAkI jahA~ para kara rahA hU~' hai, to vaha sArA 'cArja' hai| loga jo ye sabakucha karate haiM, vyApAra calAte haiM, paise kamAte haiM vagairaha use 'maiM kara rahA hU~' kahate haiM, vahI bhAvakarma hai|

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 287 saMyogoM ke dabAva se badala gaI bilIpha praznakartA : bhAvakarma kise hotA hai, vaha z2arA samajhanA hai| ye bhAvakarma kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai na, vAstava meM bhAvakarma AtmA kI hI zakti hai| AtmA kI bilIpha cenja hotI hai| usakI bilIpha hI, jJAna ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| bilIpha ko hI hotA hai| aba, bhAvakarma kyoM hote haiM? to vaha isalie ki AtmA to dekhajAna sake, aisA hai lekina isa samasaraNa mArga meM jo ye saba saMyoga mile, ve saba cha: vastue~, unakI vajaha se parde, A~khoM para paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiN| (oNrijinala mUla dravyakarma) ina ATha karmoM meM se A~khoM para cAra karmoM kI paTTiyA~ bA~dhI haiM aura dUsare cAra karma yoM deha se bhogane haiN| dravyakarma, ina cAra karmoM kI jo paTTiyA~ baMdha jAtI haiM na, unakI vajaha se saba ulTA dikhatA hai aura sabakucha ulTA calatA rahatA hai| khuda apane Apa ko ulTA mAnatA hai, vahI bhAvakarma hai| jaba jJAna dete haiM taba ye paTTiyA~ nikala jAtI haiN| usake bAda vApasa sIdhA calane lagatA hai| lekina vAstava meM isa bhAvakarma kA kartA kauna hai? to vaha hai ahNkaar| jo bhogatA hai, vhii| isameM AtmA nahIM bhogtaa| kucha loga kahate haiM ki AtmA ne bhAvakarma kiyaa| isa AtmA aura bhAvakarma ko jagat apane Apa hI khuda kI bhASA meM samajha jAe to usakA hala nahIM A sktaa| vItarAgoM kI bhASA meM samajhanA pdd'egaa| aura yadi bhAvakarma AtmA kA guNa hai to phira hamezA ke lie rhegaa| Apako samajha meM A rahI hai yaha bAta? aba yaha bhAvakarma kyA hai? do vastue~, vastu hamezA avinAzI hotI hai, tIrthaMkaroM ne ise vastu kahA hai, do avinAzI vastuoM kA (jar3a aura cetana kA) jaba saMyoga hotA hai taba vizeSa guNa utpanna hote haiN| donoM ke khuda ke guNadharma to haiM hI aura phira vizeSa guNadharma utpanna hote haiN| jise loga vibhAva kahate haiN| loga ise khuda kI bhASA meM viruddha bhAva samajhate haiM na, to

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288 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ve aisA kahate haiM ki AtmA kA viruddha bhAva utpanna huaa| kahate haiM ki AtmA meM saMsAra bhAva utpanna huaa| are, AtmA meM kabhI saMsAra bhAva utpanna hotA hogA? vizeSabhAva hai| do vastuoM kA saMyoga hone se| ve vastue~ avinAzI honI cAhie, to unake saMyoga se vizeSabhAva utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : donoM meM vizeSabhAva utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : donoM meN| pudgala meM bhI vizeSabhAva hotA hai aura AtmA meM bhI vizeSabhAva hotA hai| praznakartA : vizeSabhAva donoM ke alaga-alaga utpanna hote haiM yA donoM kA milakara eka hI hotA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai na, ki pudgala meM...... pudgala jIvaMta vastu nahIM hai| usameM bhAva nahIM hotA lekina vaha vizeSabhAva ko grahaNa kare, isa taraha taiyAra ho jAtA hai| isalie usameM bhI badalAva AtA hai aura AtmA meM bhI badalAva AtA hai| aba AtmA isame kucha bhI nahIM karatA, pudgala kucha bhI nahIM karatA, vizeSabhAva utpanna hote haiN| praznakartA : donoM kA saMyoga pAsa-pAsa meM hone ke kAraNa? dAdAzrI : saMyoga huA ki turaMta hI vizeSabhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : mAtra saMyogoM ke kAraNa se hai yA kisI aura kAraNa se? dAdAzrI : saMyogoM ke kAraNa se hai| lekina saMyogoM ke alAvA dUsarA jo kAraNa hai, vaha ajJAnatA hai, yaha bAta to hameM mAna hI lenI hai| kyoMki hama jo bAta kara rahe haiM na, vaha ajJAnatA kI bAunDrI ke aMdara kI bAta kara rahe haiM, vaha bAunDrI, jJAna kI bAunDrI kI bAta nahIM kara rahe haiM hm| ataH vahA~ para ajJAna dazA meM AtmA ko yaha vizeSabhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| preraNA pAvara cetana kI praznakartA : zrImad rAjacaMdra ne kahA hai ki 'hoe na cetana preraNA, to kauna grahe karma?' yaha smjhaaie|

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 289 dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai na ki vaha kramika mArga hai| aba yaha kramika mArga kise cetana mAnatA hai? vyavahAra AtmA ko cetana mAnatA hai| arthAt usa cetana kI preraNA hai yaha lekina hama kyA kahate haiM ki yaha saba igoiz2ama kA hai! aura ve use AtmA kahate haiM ki 'yaha preraNA cetana de rahA hai|' aba yaha cetana to cetana hai hI lekina hamane to hisAba nikAlA ki yaha pAvara cetana hai, oNlarAiTa (mUla zuddha) cetana nahIM hai| aura yadi oNlarAiTa cetana hotA to vaha jo preraNA huI to vaha hamezA ke lie preraka hI rahatA, jahA~ jAe vahIM pr| praznakartA : ataH yaha jo, pudgala kA jo parivartana hotA hai, usameM use grahaNa kauna karatA hai? grahaNa karane kA kyA hai isameM? dAdAzrI : hA~, sahI kahate haiM, 'hoe na cetana preraNA, to kauna grahe karma?' yaha 'maiM kara rahA hU~,' vaha karma kA grahaNa karatA hai| praznakartA : arthAt koI grahaNa nahIM karatA lekina yaha to mAnyatA dAdAzrI : yaha sArI mAnyatA hI hai na! ye sArI roMga bilIpheM hI haiN| ye bhI mAnyatA hI haiM aura phira vaisA hI svarUpa pudgala kA ho jAtA hai| 'hama' jaisA bolate haiM na, vaisA hI svarUpa pudgala kA ho jAtA hai| jaise bhAva haiM, usake phala svarUpa dravya bana jAtA hai| pudgala kA guNa aisA hai aura agara aisA rahe ki 'maiM kartA nahIM hU~' to phira usa pudgala ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| jo haiM, ve bhI alaga ho jAte haiN| jJAtA-dRSTA hue ki alaga ho jAte haiN| jaba taka kartA hai taba taka nae pudagala ko grahaNa bhI karatA hai aura purAne ko chor3atA bhI hai| chor3anevAlA bhI 'vaha' hai aura grahaNa karanevAlA bhI 'vhii'| jabaki isameM to grahaNa karanevAlA baMda ho gayA aura chor3anevAlA vyavasthita hai| bIca meM 'khuda' mukta ho gyaa| aba yaha gUr3ha cIz2a logoM ko kisa taraha samajha meM Ae? yaha nahIM samajha pAtA isIlie aisA hI samajhatA hai ki mUla cetana hI yaha saba kara rahA hai!

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290 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) bhAvakarma hai nija kalpanA praznakartA : to kRpAludeva ne yaha bhI kahA hai na, 'bhAvakarma nija kalpanA, mATe cetana rUpa, jIva vIrya kI sphuraNA, grahaNa kare jar3a dhuup|' yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai| 'bhAvakarma nija kalpanA mATe cetana rUpa' lekina vaha to jaba taka bhAvakarma raheMge, tabhI taka hai| vaha jo bhAvakarma hai vaha vyavahAra AtmA se saMbaMdhita hai| apane yahA~ para bhAvakarma hI pUrI taraha se khatma kara diyA hai, bilkula hii| praznakartA : mUla AtmA ko rakhA hai sirph| dAdAzrI : (akrama meM) zuddha mUla AtmA ko hI rakha diyA hai jabaki kramika meM, vaha bhAvakarma hai| vaha 'khuda' kI kalpanA hai, ataH cetana rUpa arthAt mizracetana banatA hai| nija kalpanA arthAt sNklp-viklp| jise bhAvakarma nahIM hai vaha nirviklp| hamane bhAvakarma kA pUrA astitva hI khatma kara diyaa| kramika mArga meM jo aMtima avatAra meM jAtA hai, kevalajJAna hone para jAtA hai, vaha hamane yahA~ para turaMta hI khatma kara diyaa| varnA to 'Apa' nirvikalpa kahalAoge hI nahIM na! aura 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~,' vahI vikalpa hai, 'maiM injIniyara hU~' vaha...vikalpa hai, 'maiM jaina hU~' vaha....vikalpa hai, 'maiM baniyA hU~' vaha....vikalpa hai, 'pacAsa sAla kA hU~' vaha.....vikalpa hai, aise kitane hI vikalpa haiN| sabhI vikalpa phrekcara ho ge| aba yaha jo bhASA hai, use sirpha jJAnI hI samajha sakate haiN| ajJAnI loga to kaise samajheMge? ataH loga mUla cetana ko hI aisA samajhate haiM ki cetana aisA hI hotA hai| bhAva aura saMkalpa-vikalpa kie bagaira rahatA hI nahIM hai| bhAvakarma vaha kahalAtA hai ki vyavahAra AtmA kA saMkalpa kiyA aura vikalpa kiyaa| usameM cetana kI sphuraNA huI, isalie usameM pAvara A gayA,

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 291 pudgala meN| pudgala pAvaravAlA, pAvara cetana ho gyaa| aba jJAna lene ke bAda nayA nahIM bharatA hai aura jo purAnA hai, vaha DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| kalpanA ke anusAra banA pudgala bhAvakarma arthAt kaSAya kI vajaha se svabhAva dharma cUka jaanaa| usa kaSAya kI vajaha se khuda kA nijabhAva cUka jAtA hai, aura phira parabhAva utpanna hotA hai| vaha parabhAva bhAvakarma kahalAtA hai| lekina kalpanA 'khuda' kI hI hai, isalie kRpAludeva kahate haiM ki 'cetana rUpa' hai| 'jar3adhUpa' arthAt paramANuoM ko khIMcatA hai| gussA ho jAe, bhAvakarma huA ki paramANu khIMca lie aura khAsa taura para bAhara ke paramANa praviSTa nahIM hote| dekhane jAe~ to bAhara ke paramANu to sthUlarUpa se haiM, bAkI aMdara ke hI nija AkAza meM khIMcatA hai| usake aMdara sabhI taraha ke paramANu haiN| bAkI sUkSma to aMdara hI haiM, taiyAra hI haiN| sUkSma paramANuoM ke hisAba se bAhara ke mila jAte haiN| sthUla bhI cAhie na?! aura 'khuda' ne kalpanA kI, yAnI ki yahA~ para jo kalpanA kI use Diz2Aina kahate haiM aura Diz2Aina kA phoTo par3atA hai, to pudgala vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| jaisI kalpanA hama yahA~ para karate haiM, vaha pudgala vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| ataH yaha pudgala hameM banAnA nahIM par3A hai, apanI kalpanA anusAra hI bana gayA hai| bhAvakarma kI kalpanA ke anusAra hI pudgala bana gayA hai, A~kha vagairaha sabhI kuch| arthAt 'jIva vIrya kI sphuraNA grahaNa kare jdd'dhuup|' isakA matalaba ki ye paramANuoM ko khIMcatA hai aura grahaNa karatA hai| sphuraNA huI ki turaMta hI khIMcatA hai| jaise bhAva haiM, jaisI sphuraNA huI usa prakAra ke pudgala ko khIMcatA hai aura yaha utpanna ho gayA hai| nahIM to bhaiMsa kisane banAI? to kahate haiM, 'isane khuda ne hI banAI aura phira aMdara ghusa gyaa|' hAthI kisane banAyA? to kahate haiM, 'isI ne bnaayaa|' vaisA koI jAna-bUjhakara nahIM banAtA, kaSAya se banAtA hai| kaSAya arthAt vahA~ para khuda kA kucha bhI nahIM calatA, parabhAva hai! jo jabarana karanA hI par3e, vaha prbhaav| tabhI svabhAva khatma ho jAtA hai, nahIM to koI gadhA banatA hogA? kisI ko

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292 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) acchA lagatA hai? lekina kyA ho sakatA hai? lekina dekho hAthI banakara rahatA hai na aMdara ArAma se| phira la~Da hI hilAtA rahatA hai na! aura isa gadhebhAI ko dekho na, poTaliyA~ lekara ghUmatA hai na! yaha samajha meM AyA Apako, 'grahaNa kare jar3adhUpa?' to 'hamane' hI jar3adhUpa utpanna kI hai| bhagavAna aisA kucha bhI banAne nahIM Ae haiM ! koI kucha bhI karane nahIM AyA hai! Apane kharAba bhAva kie ki paramANuoM ne ghera liyA Apako aura ve paramANu Apako hI aMdha banA dete haiN| aura agara acche bhAva karoge to ve paramANu khatma ho jaaeNge| unheM sa~bhAla kara rakho aisA bhI nahIM hai| lekina acchA karanA bhI AnA cAhie na? aura acchA karane ke bAda kharAba nahIM karanA ho to ThIka hai lekina phira kharAba bhI kara detA hai| yaha hAthI kyA karatA hai? yoM la~Da lekara pahale pAnI se nahA AtA hai aura phira sUMDa meM lekara khuda ke Upara dhUla bhI ur3AtA hai| phira vApasa nahAne jAtA hai| to bhAI agara nahAnA hI hai to dhUla kyoM ur3A rahA hai? prakRti svabhAva jAtA nahIM hai na! jJAna se akartA, ajJAna se kartA praznakartA : AtmA tatva se karma kA kartA nahIM hai, to phira vaha bhAvakarma kisa taraha kara sakatA hai? / dAdAzrI : tatva se vaha karma kA kartA nahIM hai lekina ajJAna se to kartA hai na! jaba taka vaha yaha nahIM jAnatA ki 'maiM kauna hU~' taba taka 'vaha' kartA hI hai| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna hone ke bAda phira kartA nahIM rhtaa| anupacarita vyavahAra se kartA praznakartA : zrImad rAjacaMdra kA vAkya hai ki 'anupacArika vyavahAra se AtmA dravyakarma kA kartA hai, upacAra se ghara-nagara Adi kA kartA hai|' yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : apane lie aba upacarita aura anupacarita kucha rahA hI nahIM na! ye sAre zabda to kramika mArga meM sikhalAe jAte haiN| kisa AdhAra

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 293 para 'tU caMdUbhAI hai' aura kisa AdhAra para tUne ghara banAyA aura yaha kiyA aura vaha kiyA, vaha saba kisa AdhAra para hai? vaha upacAra vyavahAra se hai aura anupacarita vyavahAra, jisakA upacAra hI nahIM huA kisI prakAra kA, aisI yojanA hI nahIM banI, Diz2Aina nahIM banI, usa anupacarita vyavahAra se AtmA dravyakarma kA kartA hai| ATha karma jo phala dete haiM, usa upacAra se ghara-nagara Adi kA kartA hai| _ 'maiM jA rahA hU~ aura A rahA hU~' vaha upacAra hai kyoMki jo carita ho cukA hai vaha upacarita ho rahA hai| carita meM se upacarita hotA hai| phaMkzana karanA ho to aupacArika karanA par3atA hai| upacarita ke bAda aupcaarik| carita to ho cukA hai aura aba upcrit| aisA kahate haiM na, 'yaha saba upacAra mAtra hai|' 'upacAra se ghara-nagara Adi kA kartA hai,' yaha samajha meM AyA na Apako aura anupacarya vaha samajha meM AyA na? yaha nAka-vAka banAnA agara apanI z2immedArI hotI to kitanI muzkila ho jAtI! ghara-nagara sabhI kucha banA detA hai lekina sira para agara jokhimadArI hotI to kitanI muzkila ho jAtI! isalie dekho na, jokhimadArI ke bagaira hai na! 'khuda' bhAvakarma karatA rahatA hai aura zarIra bana jAtA hai| usa bhAvakarma ke karanevAle ko pudgala ke sAtha lenA-denA nahIM hai lekina bhAva kiyA ki turaMta hI usa anusAra vaisA pudgala bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : ve pudgala khiMcate haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| aura vaha bhI khiNckr| khiMcane se hI to taiyAra hue haiN| khiMce hue to haiM hii| aba bhAva karate hI bana jAtA hai| ataH jaise-jaise bhAva karatA hai vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| matalaba yaha patA nahIM calatA ki yaha saba kisa taraha se bana rahA hai! pudgala kI yaha Diz2Aina kisa taraha se bana gaI? AtmA jisa bhAva kI Diz2Aina karatA hai na, vaisI hI Diz2Aina bana jAtI hai| yaha bhAva kI Diz2AiniMga karatA hai aura pudgala, pudgala kI Diz2AiniMga karatA hai| yaha jaise bhAva karatA hai, usa para se turaMta hI pudgala bana jAtA

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294 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai| jaise ki agara hama darpaNa ke sAmane hAtha U~cA kareM to vaha dikhAtA hai na, aisA hI hai, bs| turaMta vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| hama hAtha U~cA kareM to vaha turaMta hI dikhAtA hai na? vaisA ho jAtA hai| ataH yaha zabda bahuta samajhane jaisA hai, bahuta gaharA zabda hai, lekina kramika mArga meM! yahA~ isameM to z2arUrata hai nahIM na hameM to| maiMne ApakA upacAra, anupacAra vagairaha saba nikAla diyA hai| raTane ko kucha rakhA hI nahIM hai| dUsare dina se hI AtmA ke anubhava sahita ghUmane lagate ho| ileTrikala baoNDI aura kaSAya praznakartA : aba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ko bhAvakarma kahA hai| eka bAra isa taraha bAta nikalI thI ki sUkSma zarIra ke AdhAra para krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha hote haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai| vahA~ para sUkSma zarIra hI hai na! ilekTrikala baoNDI se paramANu cArja bhI hote haiM aura usase jalana-jalanajalana ! aisA hotA hai na, prmaannu| praznakartA : to phira bhAvakarma aura sUkSma zarIra ina donoM meM kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| sUkSma baoNDI khAnA pacAtI hai, aisA sabakucha karatI hai, khUna ko Upara car3hAtI hai| praznakartA : phira bhI yaha krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA AdhAra bana jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : AdhAra ilekTrikala baoNDI nahIM hai| ilekTrisiTI kahA~ se AtI hai? ilekTrisiTI kI z2arUrata hai na! ye paramANu ilekTrisiTIvAle haiM, tabhI jalana hotI hai na hameM! ilekTrisiTI se cArja hue haiM, tabhI to jalana hotI hai na! praznakartA : to usa samaya sUkSma zarIra kI ilekTrisiTI kAma AtI hogI?

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 295 dAdAzrI : hA~, sUkSma zarIra meM sArI ilekTrisiTI hI hotI hai / jalatI hai momabattI aura jharatA hai moma jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA haiM, unake aba dUsare nae dravyakarma baMdha rahe haiN| ve kisa AdhAra para baMdhate haiM ! to vaha hai, 'bhAvakarma se dUsare nae baMdhate haiM aura isa janma ke jo dravyakarma haiM, ve jo vilaya hote haiM, ve vilaya hote jAte haiM taba agale janma ke nae bhAvakarma aMdara jharate rahate haiN| jaise momabattI jalatI hai taba usakA moma jharatA rahatA hai na, to isameM se bhI bhAva jharate rahate haiN| hai ? pUrA jagat bhAvakarma para TikA huA hai aura usI se nae dravyakarma baMdhate rahate haiM aura usameM se vApasa bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| vApasa dravyakarma baMdhate haiM, aura aisA calatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : aura una karmoM ke phala svarUpa yaha zarIra utpanna hotA I dAdAzrI : kaSAyoM se bhAvakarma hote haiM aura bhAvakarma hone se karma to baMdhege hii| ve vApasa agale janma meM phala dene ko taiyAra ho jAte haiN| bhAvakarma meM se dravyakarma bana jAte haiM / dravyakarma banate haiM taba kyA hotA hai? sabhI ba~Ta jAte haiM, unake ATha vibhAga ho jAte haiM / unameM se itanA jJAnAvaraNa meM, itanA darzanAvaraNa meM, itanA mohanIya meM aura itanA aMtarAya meM, itanA nAma meM, itanA vedanIya meM, itanA AyuSya meM aura itanA gotra meN| una dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma hote haiM, varnA agara dravyakarma sApha ho jAne ke bAda bhAvakarma hote hI nahIM / ataH hamane darzanAvaraNa aura mohanIya khatma kara diyA hai| usase dRSTi badala gaI isalie bhAvakarma khatma ho gayA hai| pUrA hI bhAvakarma khatma ho gayA hai| dravyakarma ke bIja meM se phala bhAvakarma kA bhAvakarma hamezA dravyakarma meM se utpanna hote haiM lekina jaba taka

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296 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) bhAvakarma rahate haiM taba taka ajJAnatA hai aura jaba bhAvakarma rahA hI nahIM taba jnyaan| ataH jaba yaha jJAna diyA, taba hamane paTTiyA~ nikAla diiN| usase pUrA hI bhAvakarma khatma ho gayA jisase ki pUrA saMsAra khar3A hai| bhAvakarma pUrA hI khatma ho gayA hai, usI ko kahate haiM akrm| aura jaisA Apa kahate haiM vaisA hI isa kramika mArga meM bhI kahate haiM ki bhAvakarma se vApasa dravyakarma aura vApasa dravyakarma meM bhAvakarma lekina ve loga dravyakarma ko kucha aura hI samajhate haiN| bAhara jo vyavahAra calatA hai na, use kucha alaga hI samajhate haiN| bAkI dravyakarma kA matalaba to 'ulTe cazme' hai, bs| mUla kAraNa dravyakarma hai| dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| kAraNa meM se kArya aura kArya meM se vApasa kAraNa utpanna hote haiN| aba yahA~ para dravyakarma kise kahate haiM ki jo dikhAI dete haiM una karmoM ko dravyakarma kahate haiM ye log| vAstava meM yaha hakIkata tIrthaMkaroM ne isa taraha se nahIM batAI thii| tIrthaMkaroM ne dravyakarma aura bhAvakarma, sirpha do hI batAe the| praznakartA : lekina jo dikhAI dete haiM, ve dravyakarma nahIM haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| abhI isa bhASA meM to aisA hI calA hai lekina yahA~ para to hamane kahA hai na, vahI karekTa bAta hai jabaki bAhara jaisA Apa kaha rahe ho, vaisA calatA hai| praznakartA : usa bhAva ke bAre meM mujhe abhI taka ThIka se samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : isa pUrI jiMdagI ke jo kAraNa haiM, ve kaoNz2ez2a haiN| ve agale janma meM paTTiyoM ke rUpa meM Ate haiN| AvaraNa ke rUpa meM arthAt paTTiyA~, lekina z2arA harA hotA hai to harA dikhAI detA hai, pIlA hotA hai to pIlA dikhAI detA hai| ataH logoM meM alaga-alaga bhAva utpanna hote haiM! praznakartA : to yaha dravyakarma phira se agale janma kA kAraNa huA na?

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 297 dAdAzrI : yahI paTTiyA~(dravyakarma) agale janma kA kAraNa haiM, jo AtmA ko aMdhA banA detI haiN| jinake kAraNa bhAva karatA hai, nahIM to AtmA bhAva kare hI nahIM kabhI bhii| praznakartA : bhAva to pratiSThita AtmA hI karatA hai na dAdA? zuddhAtmA to karatA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : vastusthiti meM pratiSThita AtmA bhI bhAva karatA hI nahIM hai na! zuddhAtmA bhI bhAva nahIM krtaa| yaha to jo aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hI hU~', vaha vyavahAra AtmA bhAva karatA hai| pratiSThita AtmA to bhAva se hI banA hai na! yadi bhAva nahIM hotA to pratiSThita AtmA hotA hI nhiiN| ye ulTI paTTayA~ hI bAdhaka haiN| aba ye ulTI paTTiyA~ kyA hai? pUrva ke apane hisAba kA jo phala hai vahI hameM dikhAtA hai| praznakartA : usakA z2ora kitanA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : z2ora to aisA hai na ki usake mUla kAraNa kA jitanA z2ora rahA hogA na, utanA hI kArya meM z2ora aaegaa| kAraNa z2oradAra hogA na to kArya bhI z2oradAra hogaa| kAraNa DhIlA hogA to kArya bhI ddhiilaa| praznakartA : lekina yadi kAraNa z2oradAra hogA to vaha khIMca le jAegA na? dAdAzrI : are, iMsAna ko khIMca le jAnA to kyA lekina ulTA paTaka detA hai na! sArI ulTI paTTiyA~, ulTA dikhAtI haiN| Apako ulTA dikhAtI haiM yA sIdhA dikhAtI haiM? praznakartA : dAdA, aba sIdhA hI dikhAI detA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA! ulTA dekhA thA, kabhI pahale? praznakartA : bahuta saaraa| dAdAzrI : aisA! aba nahIM dikhAI detA? hama jJAna dete haiM na, usase

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298 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ina sabhI AvaraNoM kA kAphI kucha bhAga khatma ho jAtA hai lekina kucha logoM ko yaha aMdara pacatA nahIM hai| vijJAna nahIM pctaa| jaise-jaise pacegA na vaisevaise khulAsA hotA jaaegaa| ekadama se nahIM pacatA na! jaise-jaise pacatA jAtA hai vaise-vaise khulAsA hotA jAtA hai| lekina agara satsaMga meM par3A rahe to usakI gAr3I rAste para A jaaegii| kyoMki yaha satsaMga aisI cIz2a hai ki isase dinoMdina usakA AvaraNa TUTatA hI jAtA hai, lekina paricaya kI z2arUrata hai| dravyabaMdha - bhAvabaMdha praznakartA : dravyabaMdha aura bhAvabaMdha ke bAre meM smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : agara iMsAna ne yaha jJAna nahIM liyA ho to vaha jo-jo karatA hai, una sabhI se bhAvabaMdha hotA hai| ajJAna kI upasthiti meM jo kucha bhI kiyA jAtA hai vaha bhAvabaMdha hai aura isa bhAvabaMdha meM se dravyabaMdha pariNAmita hotA hai| vahA~ para jo ATha karma haiM, unheM dravyakarma kA baMdha hI kahate haiN| dravyakarma usI ko kahate haiN| anya koI dravyakarma haiM hI nhiiN| praznakartA : vahA~ para kramika mArga meM zAstroM meM, jo ATha karma haiM una sabhI rUpI karmoM ko dravyakarma kahate haiN| kArmaNa vargaNA(kAraNa paramANuoM kA samUha) kA jo samUha hotA hai usameM jaba AtmA ekAkAra ho jAe, adhyavasAya (mana meM paramANuoM kA phUTanA) ekAkAra ho jAe to use dravyabaMdha kahate haiN| ataH vahA~ para dravyabaMdha ko rUpI kahA gayA hai aura bhAvabaMdha ko arUpI kahA gayA hai| dAdAzrI : kyA jJAnAvaraNa dikha sake aisA haiM? darzanAvaraNa nahIM dikhAI dete haiM, aMtarAya nahIM dikhAI dete, ve hI vAstavika dravyakarma haiN| ye AThoM karma jo haiM, ve hI dravyakarma haiN| bhagavAna kI bhASA ko samajhanA ho to bhagavAna kI bhASA meM ye dravyakarma haiN| aura ina dravyakarmoM kI vajaha se krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha haiN| dravyakarma kI paTTiyA~ haiN| darzanAvaraNa kI paTTiyA~ haiM isIlie vaha TakarAtA hai becaaraa| TakarAtA hai isIlie cir3hatA hai| usI se bhAvakarma baMdhate haiN|

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma ___ 299 praznakartA : kyA jJAnAvaraNIya karma rUpI haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina merA kahanA yaha hai ki kramika meM ye loga dravyakarma kise kahate haiM? agara koI nasavAra sUMgha rahA ho to use dravyakarma kahate haiN| praznakartA : hA~, jo dikhAI detA haiM use, jo rUpI hotA hai use| dAdAzrI : jo dikhAI dete haiM na una sabhI ko, dravyakarma kahate haiN| aba maiM yaha phUla kI mAlA pahanatA hU~ to use dravyakarma kahate haiN| praznakartA : hA~, aisA hI kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : aba hama kyA kahate haiM ki ye dravyakarma do prakAra ke nahIM hote, eka hI prakAra ke hote haiN| dravyakarma kise kahate haiM ki jinameM se bhAvakarma utpanna hoM aura jinameM se bhAvakarma utpanna nahIM hote, ve dravyakarma nahIM haiN| ataH apanA yaha vijJAna alaga hI taraha kA hai| apanA to sabakucha kliyara hai na! ve kaoNmpleksa meM bhale jo bhI karate hoM, bAkI vaha samajha nahIM hai, sahI bAta nahIM hai| ve bhagavAna kI bAteM nahIM haiN| bhagavAna kI bAteM kliyara haiN| phira unake bAda se bhale hI kucha bhI ho gayA ho| maiM to sabhI ko nokarma kahatA hU~, ye sabhI nokarma haiM lekina vaha apane vijJAna ke AdhAra para hai| kramika vijJAna meM koI pharka ho to usakA alaga artha ho sakatA hai| paoNsibala hai unmeN| yaha ajJAna se khar3A ho gayA hai| ajJAna calA gayA isalie yaha cala par3A hai| ajJAna calA gayA hai na! aisA mAnate the ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha khatma ho gayA na?! praznakartA : hA~, bilkula khatma gayA hai| dAdAzrI : khatma ho gayA to basa, to vahI hai yh| ataH vahA~ para kramika hai na, isalie zAyada aise artha kI z2arUrata par3a bhI sakatI hai kbhii|

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300 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aba vahA~ para dravyabaMdha kI bhASA alaga hai| usa bhASA meM dravyakarma kise kahate haiM, jo A~khoM se dikheM aisI saba cIz2oM ko, jo gussA ho gayA use bhAvabaMdha kahate haiM aura kisI kI mAra khAI to use dravyabaMdha kahate haiM, lekina vAstava meM isa bhAvakarma meM se bane hue dravyakarma kise kahate haiM, jo ATha mUlabhUta ATha karma haiM unheM dravyakarma kahA jAtA hai aura ise bhAvakarma kahA jAtA hai aura jo A~khoM se dekhe jA sakate haiM ve nokarma kahalAte haiN| nokarma ko ye loga dravyakarma kahate haiN| yadi itanI hI samajha hotI to nikAla ho jaataa| __ vahA~ para to ina nokarmoM ko bhI dravyakarma mAnate haiN| bhAvakarma ko dravyakarma mAnate haiM lekina asala meM dravyakarma to ye jo ATha karma haiM na, ve haiN| dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma aura bhAvakarma meM se vApasa dravyakarma aura dravyakarma meM se vApasa bhAvakarma aura bhAvakarma meM se vApasa dravyakarma bs| aura isa nokarma kI to itanI kucha khAsa vailyU nahIM hai| ye to laTU ghUmate haiM, vaise ghUmate haiM, usameM kyA? mAtra dRSTi kI hI bhUla aba bhAvakarma kA matalaba kyA hai? koI bar3e seTha hoM, unake dravyakarma bahuta bar3e hoM, lokapUjya vyakti ho, aura hama unase kaheM, 'seTha jI pdhaarie| padhArie, padhArie, pdhaarie|' taba seTha padhArate haiN| usameM harja nahIM hai, lekina ve phUla jAte haiM, vaha bhAvakarma hai aura agara apamAna kareM to ThaMDe par3a jAte haiN| vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai| ataH ye ATha prakAra ke dravyakarma haiN| inameM se sabhI bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| ye rAga-dveSa rUpI bhAva yA krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha rUpI bhAva, to una seTha kA kyA huA? mAna aura krodha utpanna huaa| 'Aie, padhArie' kahA to vaha garva se phUla jAtA hai aura apamAna se inphiriyAriTI kaoNmpleksa huA, to ye donoM hI nukasAna karate haiN| jaba ucca gotra kA phala AtA hai taba elivezana hotA hai aura nIca gotra kA phala AtA hai taba Diprezana hotA hai| usase krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura rAga-dveSa hote rahate haiN| isalie ve Azrava (karma ke udaya kI zuruAta)

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 301 kahalAte haiN| ye jo ATha dravyakarma haiM, phala dete samaya unakA Azrava hotA hai, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote haiN| aba bhalA yaha kisa taraha ruke? yaha rukatA nahIM hai na! kahA~ jAkara rukatA hai? to kahate haiM ki agara Age jAkara dRSTi badala jAe to Azrava ke bAda parizrava (naye baMdha par3e bagaira karma kI nirjarA honA) hotA hai isa jagaha para Akara rukatA hai| varnA dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma hue bagaira raha hI nahIM sktaa| aba hamane kyA kiyA hai, aisA kara diyA hai ki dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hI na hoN| yAnI ki bhAvakarma hI baMda kara die arthAt Azrava ko bhI khatma kara diyaa| isa akrama vijJAna ne kyA kiyA? sabakucha khatma kara diyaa| koI bhAva hI nhiiN| jo bhI krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha khaDe hote haiM, na ve sabhI nikaalii| ve aba ugane lAyaka nahIM rahe kyoMki inakA jo mAlika thA, vaha nikala gyaa| nahIM to vahA~ para kyA hotA hai? yaha merA hai' yadi aisI dRSTi huI to usase vApasa usakA Azrava hotA hai| bhAvakarma hone se Azrava hotA hai ataH phira se baMdha par3atA hai| lekina kRpAludeva kyA kahate haiM? 'Azrava hone se baMdha par3atA hI hai| ataH AzravoM ko khodakara nikAlane jaisA nahIM hai| ve khode nahIM jA sakeMge, mehanata bekAra jaaegii|' loga anAdi kAla se aisI mehanata karate A rahe haiN| lekina sirpha 'dRSTi' badala DAlo kisI bhI taraha / phira 'hota AzravA-parizravA, nahIM inameM saMdeha, mAtra dRSTi kI bhUla hai|' yadi 'terI' 'dRSTi' badala jAe to jo Azrava hai vahI parizrava hai| aisA kahate haiN| parizrava arthAta baMdha paDe bagaira nirjarA ho jAtI hai| yaha kramika mArga kA uccatama rAstA hai| aura apane yahA~ to 'yaha merA hai hI nahIM, to vahA~ para jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM hai| jJAna dete haiM to dUsare hI dina se 'yaha merA nahIM hai aisA ho jAtA hai| ye jo' krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM, ve to caMdUbhAI ke haiM! kAryakArI nahIM haiM, ve nirjIvatAvAle haiN| ahaMkAra-vahaMkAra sabakucha nirjiiv| ataH 'vaha' kahatA hai ki 'yaha merA nahIM hai, yaha merA nahIM hai, maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA kahatA hai na! pahale kahatA thA, ki 'maiM'

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302 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hI caMdUbhAI hU~, aba vaisA nahIM hai| taba koI kahe ki 'caMdUbhAI nahIM hai?' to vaha caMdabhAI hai z2arUra lekina vyavahAra se kahalAte haiN| mAtra vyavahAra ke lie hI, vAstava meM 'maiM' caMdUbhAI nahIM hai! pUrI 'dRSTi' hI badala gaI hai| ___ yaha to, kRpAludeva jJAnIpuruSa the isIlie isa bAta kI prApti kara lI! unhoMne jaba prApti kI taba khuda ne likhA ki 'AzravA te parizravA, nahIM inameM saMdeha, mAtra dRSTi kI bhUla hai|' / liMgadeha, vahI bhAvakarma hai praznakartA : lekina dAdA isameM aisA huA ki AtmA nirlepa hai, AtmA para kucha bhI asara nahIM hotaa| isI prakAra zarIra para bhI koI asara nahIM hotaa| jo kucha bhI asara hotA hai, mAna-apamAna, krodha-kAma vaha sArA asara liMgadeha para hotA hai, to liMgadeha kahA~ hai? vahI ahaMkAra karatA hai| mAna aura rutabA usI ko hai| kAma-krodha use hote haiN| usI (ahaMkAra) kI vajaha se zarIra hai aura AtmA aMdara involva ho jAtA hai, to yaha liMga deha kyA hai vaha btaaie| dAdAzrI : aisA hai ki jo liMgadeha hai, use hama bhAvakarma kahate haiN| aba bhAvakarma svAdhIna nahIM hai, parAdhIna hai| yaha bhAvakarma kisI bIja kA phala hai| usakA phala milatA hai, usI ko bhAvakarma kahate haiN| use vApasa hama bIja ke rUpa meM mAnate haiM aura usI kA phala milatA hai| to use phira ye loga dravyakarma kahate haiN| lekina yaha bhAvakarma yAnI ki Apa, agara koI vyakti ucca gotra kA ho taba isa tarapha phAdara-madara sabhI kA gotra ucca hotA hai, isIlie Apa jaba Ate ho taba turaMta hI 'Aie, padhArie' aisA rahatA hai| loga 'Aie, padhArie' kahate haiN| to usa ghar3I Apake mana para usakA asara ho jAtA hai, aura binA dabAe hI chAtI yoM phUla jAtI hai, use bhAvakarma kahate haiN| agara gotra z2arA DhIlA ho to nahIM bulAte, to usake mana meM aisA hotA hai ki, 'sAle, ye loga nAlAyaka hI haiN| mujhe pahacAna hI nahIM skte|' are, aisA kyoM kahate ho? aise bhAvakarma kie hai usne| yaha liMgadeha kI

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma zuruAta ho gaI ki jisase sabhI prakAra ke deha kI zuruAta hotI hai / praznakartA : to phira dAdA isameM Apane aisA rakhA hai, ki 'punarjanma kA jo cakkara calatA hai, vaha liMgadeha ke bhAva para se hI hotA hai / ' 303 dAdAzrI : hA~, usake bhAva para se hotA hai / bhAva arthAt bhAnA (pasaMda karanA) nhiiN| apane mahAtmA kahate haiM, 'mujhe rasa -roTI' bahuta bhAtI hai, to usase mujhe karma nahIM baMdhege? maiMne kahA, 'are, bhAtA hai vaha to icchA hai|' vaha Apa apanI bhASA meM bola rahe ho ki bhAtA hai| use agara ' rucatA hai, ' aisA bologe to bhI clegaa| lekina bhAvakarma to alaga hI cIz2a hai I bhAvakarma yAnI 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ aura yaha deha merI hai|' aisA saba mAnakara jo kucha bhAva kiyA jAtA hai vaha bhAvakarma hai, aura jo aisA nahIM mAnate unakA liMgadeha baMda ho gyaa| praznakartA : aba liMgadeha baMda ho gayA yAnI usakA artha yaha huA ki use koI bhAva utpanna hI nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : isa jJAna ke bAda Apake bhAva hI baMda kara die haiM na ! praznakartA : haaN| isalie phira vahA~ para to liMgadeha rahegA hI nahIM na, ThIka hai| to yadi hama aisA mAneM ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI nahIM hU~, maiM yaha zarIra nahIM hU~, to phira mujhe kyA karanA hai? kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| karanA kyoM nahIM hai ? 'maiM kyA hU~' aisA jaba taya ho jAtA hai, usake bAda 'yaha nahIM hU~' aisA taya ho jAtA hai| aba isa lAina meM jAnA hai, hameM yaha dukAna khAlI kara denI hai aura jJAtA - dRSTA - paramAnaMda meM rahanA, vahI saba apanA kAma hai I isa liMgadeha meM bhI phira kucha apavAda haiN| yAnI apane mahAtmA abhI bhI saMsAra bhAva to rakhate haiM / strI saMga vagairaha aise saba saMga haiM n| phira bhI vaha unake lie liMgadeha meM nahIM AtA kyoMki vahI bhAga kartApana meM rahatA hai, vaha khuda 'maiM caMdUbhAI' hotA to vaha z2immedArI bhI uskii| to usakA bhAva meM AtA jabaki yahA~ to khatma ho jAtA hai| basa ! itanA z2yAdA cenja A jAtA hai|

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304 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) vaha zrRkhaMlA TUTegI kaba? praznakartA : dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma bana rahe hoM aura bhAvakarma meM se dravyakarma kA baMdha par3a rahA ho, to phira agara vaise hI calatA rahegA to vaha zrRkhaMlA TUTegI kaba? dAdAzrI : bhAvakarma arthAt cArja krm| to una cArja karmoM meM se karma DiscArja hote rahate haiN| agara vaha cArja baMda kara diyA jAe to solyuzana A jaaegaa| aura vaha calatA rahegA apane Apa, agara baMda karanA A jAe to| baMda ho jAe to mokSa ho jaaegaa| nahIM to jaba taka baMda nahIM hogA, agara baMda karanevAlA aisA koI vyakti nahIM hai taba taka calatA hI rahegA, anaMta janmoM tk| cArja aura DiscArja, cArja aura ddiscaarj| kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa koNj'ej'| calatA hI rahegA din-raat| praznakartA : aisA kisa taraha patA calegA ki kaoNz2ez2a baMda ho gae? dAdAzrI : yaha jJAna diyA hai, usase Apako patA nahIM calA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vahI, kaoNz2ez2a turaMta hI baMda ho jAte haiN| koI vyakti kahe ki, 'hamArI bhUkha miTa gaI hai, aisA kaise patA calegA?' taba kahate haiM 'tU khA na, mere sAmane khA le na! samajha meM A jaaegaa|' kucha bhI ho, khicar3I khAe to bhI calegA na! khuda ko aisA patA calatA hI hai, avazya patA calatA karuNA sahaja sadA praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM ki jJAnI kI karuNA sahaja hotI haiM, DiscArja karma ke rUpa meM nhiiN| to tIrthaMkara jo tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dhate haiM, vaha bhAvakarma se hai yA sahaja rUpa se? dAdAzrI : bhAvakarma se bA~dhate haiN| bhAvakarma se, lekina unakI karuNA

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[2.12] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma 305 to sahaja hotI hai| karuNA kA jo svabhAva hai vaha sahaja hotA hai, usameM kriyA nahIM hotI, karanevAlA nahIM hotaa| bhAvakarma se hI karma baMdhana hotA hai| praznakartA : tIrthaMkaroM ko jaba AtmajJAna hotA hai tabhI ve aisA bhAvakarma bA~dhate haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha jo bhAvakarma hai vaha AtmajJAna hone ke bAda kA to hai hI lekina samakita hone ke bAda kA bhAvakarma hai| samyaktva ho jAne ke bAda 'jo sukha maiMne pAyA, vaha sukha loga bhI pAe~,' yaha hai vaha bhaavkrm| jo tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dhatA hai| hamArA bhI aisA hI rahatA hai ki 'jo sukha maiMne pAyA hai, loga use kisa taraha se pAe~ usI ke lie hamArI bhAvanA rahatI hai| jabaki karuNA to sahaja bhAva hai| __ aura karuNA jo hai vaha sahaja hI rahatI hai| yoM hI, sahaja krunnaa| koI gAliyA~ de na to sahaja kSamA rahatI hai| jo kSamA hai vaha sahaja karuNA hI hai| ataH karuNA eka sahaja guNa hai jabaki dayA bhAvakarma kA phala hai| aura tIrthaMkaroM ke to bhAvakarma hote hI nahIM na, tIrthaMkara hone ke bAda! bhAvakarma to pahale ho cuke the| hameM abhI bhI itanA bhAvakarma hai ki kaise logoM kA kalyANa kareM! tIrthaMkaroM ne to kalyANa karane ke bhAva kie the, usI dina unhoMne yaha tIrthaMkara gotra bA~dhA thaa| to ve aba sirpha tIrthaMkara gotra ko khapA rahe haiN| unakA DiscArja hI hotA rahatA hai| isalie unheM rahatI haiM kevala karuNA! niraMtara karuNA hI rahatI hai| bhAvakarma nahIM hote unmeN| jaba taka bhAvakarma rahatA hai, taba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : lekina kalyANa bhAva kA to bhAva hotA hai na, 'hara kisI kA kalyANa ho|' dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha jo bhAva hotA hai, (vAstava meM) vaha cArja bhAva nahIM hai| yaha vaha bhAva nahIM hai jise bhagavAna ne cArja kahA hai aura abhI hama jo eka janma yA do janma kI bAta kara rahe haiM na, usa samaya zAyada kisI meM yaha bhAva A bhI sakatA hai, kalyANa kaa| lekina vaha eka-do janmoM ke lie hii| ataH kyA hai ki tIrthaMkaroM ko aisA bhAva huA thA ki 'mujhe jo

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306 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sukha milA hai, vaha dUsare bhI paaeN|' aura sirpha yahI eka cArja bhAva thA lekina sabhI ko vaha bhAva nahIM hotA n| bAkI sabhI ko to sAdhAraNa icchA rahatI hai ki jagat kA kalyANa ho| 'jagat kA kalyANa karanA' aisA koI unakA mUla bhAva nahIM hotaa| kucha hI logoM meM hotA hai aisaa| cAroM tarapha se aise saMyoga hoM taba aisA hotA hai| sabhI ko nahIM hotaa| ataH hamArI to aisI bhAvanA honI cAhie ki 'yaha jo sukha maiMne pAyA hai ve sabhI pAe~,' aura kucha bhI nhiiN| bAkI kA saba to muphta meM lekara Ae haiM na? jo baiMka meM jamA kiyA huA thA, vaha kreDiTa le rahe haiN| aura usakA upayoga kiyA to usameM kyA tIra mAra diyA? to kalyANa meM hameM kucha na kucha hissA to lenA cAhie na!

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[2.13] nokarma yadi jJAna hai to bAdhaka nahIM hoMge praznakartA : dAdAjI, nokarma para kucha khie| logoM ko abhI taka nokarma ke bAre meM bahuta mAlUma nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : nokarma ke bAre meM kisI ko mAlUma hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : kisI ko bhI bahuta patA nahIM hai isalie Aja z2arA usake bAre meM vistAra se batAie vApasa, Aja ke satsaMga meN| dAdAzrI : nokarma yAnI agara Apa AtmA ho, to ye karma Apako sparza nahIM karate aura agara Apa caMdUbhAI ho to ye karma Apako sparza karate haiN| ise kahate haiM nokrm| praznakartA : yaha nokarma zabda kisa taraha se nikAlA hogA? 'no' zabda kA upayoga kyoM kiyA hai? dAdAzrI : 'N', 'O', No (ena o, no) aisA nahIM hai| yadi Apako jJAna hai to Apako sparza nahIM kareMge aura jJAna nahIM hai to Apako sparza kreNge| ataH nahIM jaise haiN| haiM bhI aura nahIM bhI haiM, isalie nokarma kahA hai inheN| praznakartA : arthAt do saMbhAvanAe~ haiM ismeN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| karma to bAdhaka hoMge hI lekina jise jJAna ho use bAdhaka nahIM hoNge| isalie nokarma kahate haiN|

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308 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) bolanevAle to aklamaMda hoMge, thor3e aklamaMda hoMge lagatA hai, nahIM? kitanI aklamaMdIvAlI bAta! ina donoM ko hI karma kahA hai, nokarma / nokarma Apake bhI hai aura inake bhii| nokarma eka samAna (sarIkhe) hI dikhate haiM! aba inheM isa cIz2a kA kaise patA cale ki inameM yaha nahIM ugeMge aura inameM ugeMge! ina logoM ko khabara hI nahIM hai na! itanI akla hotI to aisI khoja karane jAte! Aja ke logoM meM aisI akla to hotI nahIM, mujhe lagatA hai! praznakartA : dAdA yaha to bahuta DIpa samajha hai, yaha to bahuta gaharI samajha hai, phira khoja huI hogI na? dAdAzrI : nokrm| pUre jagat ke logoM meM ye karma ugeNge| ye saba nokarma haiN| phira bhI nokarma isalie kahate haiM ki 'bhAI, jJAnI logoM meM ye nahIM ugate, karma to eka jaise hI dikhAI dete haiM! yAnI ki dikhate isake jaise hI haiM, koI badalAva nahIM dikhatA usameM lekina bhagavAna kahate haiM ki hameM isameM koI badalAva nahIM dekhanA hai| yaha jJAna sahita hai isIlie inameM nahIM ugeMge aura ApameM ugeMge basa itanA hI hai| hameM yaha dekhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai ki inameM koI badalAva hotA hai yA nhiiN| praznakartA : isameM jJAnI ko kartApana nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM hai| isIlie nahIM ugate na! karma to donoM ke vaise hI dikhAI dete haiM, ye bhI DA~Ta rahe hote haiM aura ve bhI DA~Ta rahe hote haiN| to dekhanevAlA to yahI samajhatA hai ki yaha bhI DA~Ta rahA hai aura vaha bhI DA~Ta rahA hai, to usameM pharka hI kyA hai? taba kahate haiM, 'nahIM bahuta bar3A pharka hai|' yaha vIz2AvAlA hai aura yaha binA vIz2AvAlA hai| vIz2AvAle ko aMdara baiThane dete haiM aura binA vIz2AvAle ko vApasa nikAla dete haiN| praznakartA : to dAdA, jahA~ para sAtha meM ahaMkAra nahIM ho arthAt jo sahaja hI ho jAte haiM, unheM nokarma kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : jaba taka 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' taba taka vaha nahIM jaataa| 'usakA' bhAna kisa tarapha kA hai, usa para AdhArita hai| 'usakA' bhAna yaha hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' yA phira 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna hai? yAni ki yadi

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[2.13] nokarma 309 'ApakI' 'dRSTi' badalI huI hogI, samyak dRSTi ho gaI hogI, to Apako isa taraha se karma nahIM baMdhege aura yadi yahI dRSTi rahegI to bNdhege| ataH bhagavAna ne ise nokarma kahA hai| __nokarma, ve indriyagamya haiM nokarma kA matalaba kyA hai ki ye A~khoM se dekhe jA sakate haiM, kAnoM se sune jA sakate haiM, jIbha se cakhe jA sakate haiM, ata: isa jagat meM jitanI bhI cIjeM pA~ca indriyoM se anubhava kI jA sakeM aura mana se jo hotA hai ve sabhI nokarma haiN| isameM mana to inakA preraka hai| phira jitanA bhI buddhi se, citta se aura ahaMkAra se anubhava hotA hai na, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| bhAvakarma ko ghaTA (mAinasakara) deM, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ko ghaTA deM to bAkI ke sabhI nokarma haiN| aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha sthUla haiM nhiiN| sUkSma cIz2a hai| aMdara gussA karatA hai, to vaha krodha nahIM hai| gussA to pariNAma hai| ye saba jitane bhI karma dikhAI dete haiM aura anubhava kie jA sakate haiM, ve sabhI nokarma hI haiN| pUrA jagat nokarma para hI baiThA huA hai| lekina itane bhara se hI logoM ke karma nahIM baMdhate isalie maiM kaha detA hU~ ki bhAvakarma ke alAvA bAkI ke sabhI nokarma haiN| yaha pUrI taraha se samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| praznakartA : nokarma kise kahate haiM, usakA udAharaNa dIjiena n| dAdAzrI : ye sabhI karma jo haiM ve nokarma haiN| Apa yahA~ para Ae, utaroge-car3hoge, Aoge-jAoge, khAoge-pIoge, vyApAra vagairaha sabakucha nokarma haiN| jisameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM hote, ve sabhI nokrm| aba vyApAra meM yadi Apako lobha hai to vaha nokarma nahIM khlaaegaa| agara usameM lobha rahA huA hogA to| praznakartA : nokarma kA eka udAharaNa dIjie na, yaha saba kisa taraha se hotA hai? dAdAzrI : agara Apako koI mIThI cIz2a pasaMda ho aura Apa use khAte ho, phira bhI vaha nokarma hai| Apako koI bhI karma nahIM bNdhtaa| bahuta

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310 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) acchA lagA, acchA hai, aisA hai, vaisA hai, mujhe acchA lagatA hai, aisA kahate ho phira bhI jJAnavAle ko karma nahIM baMdhate, ise kahate haiM nokrm| praznakartA : ThIka hai| aba Apane hamAre bhAvakarma khatma kara die haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, bhAvakarma khatma kara die haiN| praznakartA : isalie hama meM cAroM hI kaSAya nahIM rhe| dAdAzrI : cArja kaSAya bilkula bhI haiM hI nahIM, DiscArja kaSAya bace haiM aura zuddha AtmA rakha diyA hai| kisI ko dhaula lagAnA bhI nokarma hai| krodha ke bagaira koI bhI vyakti kisI ko dhaula lagA sakatA hai kyA? bApa beTe ko dhaula lagA sakatA hai? aba yaha dhaula nokarma hai| yadi krodha ho rahA ho to bhAvakarma hai| donoM bhAga alaga ho jAte haiN| / abhI ye bhAI Apako dhIre se eka dhaula lagA deM aura loga mujhase Akara kaheM ki 'ise kyA kahA jAegA?' taba maiM kahU~gA ki 'yaha inakA sirpha nokarma hI hai|' taba agara vaha pUche ki 'usa ghar3I ve ugra ho gae the, phira bhI?' phira bhI vaha bhAvakarma nahIM hai kyoMki maiMne jJAna diyA hai aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha DiscArja svarUpI ho gae haiN| agara cArja svarUpI hote taba vApasa nayA karma baaNdhte| ataH yaha bahuta samajhane jaisA hai| isa vijJAna ko agara samajha jAe na to hala A jaaegaa| kriyAmAtra nokarma hai kriyA ko nokarma kahA gayA hai| kriyA nahIM cipakatI hai, upayoga saMsAra kA hogA to yaha cipakegI aura agara ApakI dRSTi AtmA kI tarapha hogI to nahIM cipakegI, aisA kaha rahe haiN| yaha isa para AdhArita hai ki 'dRSTi' kisa tarapha hai| isa zarIra se dikhanevAle, indriyoM se khAte-pIte hue, jAte-Ate hue, rahate hue, naukarI karate hue, paira chUte hue, yaha jo kucha bhI dikha rahA hai na,

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[2.13] nokarma 311 ye sabhI nokarma haiN| pAnI pIte haiM, uThate haiM, baiThate haiM, Ate haiM, AvAz2a dete haiM, ubAsI lete haiM, aise saba bahuta taraha ke nokarma haiN| ye karma to saba A~khoM se dekhe jA sakate haiN| saMsAra meM ye sabhI jitane bhI karma haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| koI bhakti karatA hai to vaha bhI nokarma hai| svAdhyAya karatA hai, vaha bhI nokarma hai| upAzraya jAtA hai, vaha bhI nokarma hai| sabhI nokarma haiN| koI vyakti saMdhyA pUjA pATha karatA hai, mAlA karatA hai to ve sabhI nokarma haiN| vyAkhyAna de rahA ho vaha bhI nokarma aura vyAkhyAna suna rahA ho vaha bhI nokarma hai| isa nokarma ko samajhane jaisA hai| yadi nokarma ko samajha leM na to bahuta ho gayA, nokarma samajha meM A sake aisA nahIM hai| yadi jJAnI se nokarma ko samajha le na to pUre jagat ko jIta legaa| zAstrakAroM ne kyA likhA hai? nokarma arthAt nahIM jaise krm| subaha uThanA, vaha nokarma hai| 'maiM uThA aura tU uThA' aisA kahate z2arUra haiM hama loga, aura jagat ke loga jaba aisA bolate haiM na, to ve jo bolate haiM na, ina naukarmoM meM se to usase vApasa bIja par3ate haiN| nokarma meM se bIja par3ate haiN| varnA ye bIja par3e aise nahIM haiM, hameM bIja DAlanA ho to DAla sakate haiM, varnA yadi vahA~ para jAgRti rahe, jJAna rahe to kucha loga nahIM bhI DAlate aura agara DAla bhI die hoM to vApasa le lete haiN| itanA saba hotA hai vahA~ pr| ataH uThate haiM tabhI se, uThe vaha bhI nokarma hai, phira dekhA vaha sArA bhI nokarma hai, sunA vaha bhI nokarma hai| phira dAtuna kiyA, cAya pI, nAztA kiyA, phira jo kucha bhI hotA hai, vaha saba nokarma hai| phira agara ApakA koI grAhaka Ae aura agara vaha koI DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) kara jAe to vaha bhI sArA nokarma hai| yaha to dAdA kI balihArI ki jinhoMne karma kI samajha dii| logoM ko patA hI nahIM hai ki ye nokarma kyA haiM? kisa taraha ke haiM? isakA patA hI nahIM hai isIlie ulajhate rahate haiM becAre ki yaha isa taraha se phala degA to?! nahIM, yaha aisA hai hI nahIM ki uge| usameM dakhala mata karanA tuu| bahuta acchA hai| yaha khAnA hI cAhie' aisI saba dakhalaMdAjI nahIM krnaa| khA na zAMti se! bIja to, jaba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha karate haiM tabhI par3ate haiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, vahI karma kA bIja haiN|

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312 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : arthAt nokarma, caubIsoM ghaMTeM jo kucha bhI hama karate haiM, ve haiM? dAdAzrI : ye sabhI karma phala haiM lekin| praznakartA : yaha prakRti jo kriyA karatI hai use Apa dRSTAbhAva se dekha sako, vahI nokarma hai? dAdAzrI : bAta yahI hai ki prakRti jo saba karatI haiM na, jinameM bhAvakarma nahIM haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| nokarma aisI cIz2a hai ki jo karma, jinheM hAjata kahA jAtA hai na, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| iMsAna kI haajteN| hAjata samajha meM nahIM AyA? khAe bagaira calatA hai hama saba ko? jJAnI ko bhI khAnA par3atA hai na? to kyA saMDAsa gae bagaira calatA hai? to kyA soe bagaira calatA hai? praznakartA : calegA hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : to phira kyA pAnI pIe bagaira calatA hai? ye saba hAjateM haiN| ye zarIra kI jo hAjateM haiM, ve saba nokarma kahalAte haiN| hameM hoTala kA nahIM khAnA ho lekina phira bhI agara bhUkha lage aura khAne ko kucha nahIM mila rahA ho to phira kisI bhI hoTala meM ghusakara khAnA par3atA hai, ye saba nokarma haiN| apanI icchA nahIM ho phira bhI apanA nahIM cltaa| jinheM kie bagaira koI cArA nahIM hai, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| sabhI kucha jo anivArya hai| ye sabhI nokarma kahalAte haiN| vivAha karate haiM, zAdI karate haiM, bacce hote haiM, vaha saba nokarma hai| jo rAga-dveSa rahita kriyAe~ haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| bhagavAna ne inhe nokarma isalie kahA hai ki agara 'tU' inheM bagaira rAga-dveSa ke karegA to ye karma tujhe cipakeMge nhiiN| rAga-dveSa sahita karegA to tujhe cipkeNge| akartA hai isalie nokarma arthAt yadi tU mokSamArga para jA rahA hai to ye karma tujhe

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[2.13] nokarma 313 bAdhaka nahIM hoNge| saMsAramArga para jA rahA hogA to ye karma tujhe saMsAra meM helpa kreNge| praznakartA : aba saMsAra meM nokarma kisa taraha madada karate haiM? dAdAzrI : ye saba karma saMsAra meM hI madada karate haiM na? khAte haiM, pIte haiM, khelate haiM, kUdate haiM, bIvI baccoM ke sAtha ghUmane jAte haiM, sinemA dekhane jAte haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiM na! praznakartA : kisa taraha se ye mokSamArga meM bAdhaka nahIM haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha kartA nahIM hai, isile| isakA mAlikipanA nahIM hai| de Ara naoNTa risponsibala phaoNra onrship| no ttaaittl| maiMne le lie haiN| onarazipa aura TAiTala donoM le lie haiM maiNne| isalie javAbadArI nahIM rahatI unkii| praznakartA : kartAbhAva kyoM nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : 'Apako' jaba jJAna diyA thA, taba maiMne kahA thA na, ki vyavasthita kartA hai, Apa kartA nahIM ho| aisA maiMne kahA thA na, aisA Apako dhyAna meM rahatA hai na?! isalie aba Apa kartA nahIM rhe| aMdara kartApada rahA hI nahIM hai Apako kyoMki kartApada kaba taka rahatA hai ki jaba taka nizcaya se 'maiM caMdUbhAI huuN'| vAstava meM 'maiM caMdUbhAI hI hU~' yahI kartApada hai| vaha to gaoNna (calA gyaa)| yAnI ki aba vaha nahIM rhaa| isalie Apake nokarma kA phala ugegA nahIM aura una logoM kA ugegA kyoMki Apa isa nokarma ke kartA nahIM rahe aura ve kartA haiM isIlie 'maiMne kiyA' kahate hI unhoMne ise AdhAra diyA aura AdhAra diyA isIlie karma bNdhaa| aura agara kahA ki 'maiMne nahIM kiyA' to phira nirAdhAra ho gayA, gira gyaa| to agara koI pUche ki 'Apane nahIM kiyA to kisane kiyA?' taba vaha kahatA hai ki 'bhAI, vaha to jAnanevAlA jAne, mujhe kisI jhaMjhaTa meM nahIM par3anA hai| maiMne to nahIM kiyA hai yh| mujhe aisA anubhava hotA hai ki maiMne to nahIM kiyaa|' hotA hai yA nahIM hotA hai aisA?

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314 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nokarma kyA hai, Apako vaha samajha lenA hai| nokarma kA matalaba kyA hai? saMsAra ke jo ye sabhI vyavahAra karate ho na, jo kucha bhI 'vyavasthita' karatA hai, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| praznakartA : jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA hai, unake lie bhI ve nokarma kahalAe~ge? dAdAzrI : unake lie bhI nokarma kahalAe~ge lekina unheM rahatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~' isIlie unake nokarma ugate haiM aura hama saba ko aisA rahatA hai ki 'maiM nahIM kara rahA hU~ aura vyavasthita kara rahA hai' isalie nahIM ugte| yAnI ki saMsAra baMda ho gyaa| kaoNz2ez2a baMda ho ge| isalie karma gira pdd'e| jaba taka AdhAra dete haiM, tabhI taka karma haiN| khuda yadi AdhAra nahIM de to koI nAma denevAlA bhI nahIM hai| jo karatA hai, usake lie kahate haiM ki yaha kara rahA hai to phira hameM koI parezAnI nahIM hai| kara nahIM rahA hai aura agara kahe ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~' to bNdhegaa| isIlie to narasiMha mehatA ne, kahA hai na ki, 'huM karU~, huM karU~, e ja ajnyaantaa|' (maiM kara rahA hU~, maiM kara rahA hU~, yahI ajJAnatA hai|) praznakartA : dAdA, hama jo AdhAra de rahe the, usI ko jJAna ke samaya Apake caraNoM meM rakha diyaa| dAdAzrI : jo AdhAra denevAlA thA, usI ko rakha diyA ki yaha saba Apako sauMpA saahb| vaha jo AdhAra denevAlA thA na, usI ko sauMpa diyaa| sabhI cAritramoha haiM nokarma praznakartA : cAritramoha meM jo cIjeM haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiM? dAdAzrI : cAritramoha ke jo sabhI karma haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| loga jise kahate haiM ki 'ye bhAI, badale nahIM hai| vaise ke vaise haiM,' use bhagavAna ne nokarma kahA hai| aura nokarma arthAt jo bhogane hI par3ate haiN| praznakartA : kaI bAra bAharavAle pUchate haiM ki Apake ina mahAtmA meM koI pharka nahIM dikhAI detA hai|

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[2.13] nokarma 315 dAdAzrI : badalAva hotA huA nahIM dikhAI detA, vaise ke vaise hI dikhate haiN| loga to badalAva cAhate haiN| praznakartA : bAharI badalAva cAhate haiN| dAdAzrI : bAharI, aura kyA? aura kucha to dekhanA hI nahIM AtA na! dUsarA kucha AtA to kAma hI nahIM ho jAtA? apane mahAtmAoM ko loga kyA kahate haiM ki dAdA se jJAna liyA hai lekina abhI taka vaise ke vaise hI haiN| bAhara to pahale bhI cir3ha jAte the aura Aja bhI cir3ha jAte haiM lekina mahAtmAoM ke bhAvakarma khatma ho gae haiM, sirpha nokarma rahe haiN| aura nokarma ke do vibhAga kie| Apako cAritra mohanIya aura binA jJAnavAloM ko to mohanIya rahatA hai, saMpUrNa mohniiy| yAnI darzana moha aura cAritra moha donoM hI rahate haiM, isalie mohanIya hai| ApakA (mahAtmAoM ko) darzanamoha gyaa| isameM kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki ye jo haiM ve cAritramohavAle haiM aura bAkI ke sacamuca ke mohavAle haiN| jo sacamuca ke mohavAle haiM, unameM bIja ugeMge aura inameM nahIM ugegaa| karma haiM z2arUra lekina nokrm| praznakartA : to una mohavAloM ke bhI nokarma hI haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, unameM bhI nokarma haiM lekina ugeMge jabaki ye nahIM ugeNge| yaha sArA vartana moha hai na, vaha sArA nokarma hai| yadi tU mohavAlA hai to isa karma kA jimmedAra hai aura agara moha rahita hai to tU isakA z2immedAra nahIM hai| itanI sUkSmatA se kaise samajha meM A sakatA hai? iMsAna kI bisAta hI kyA hai? aura ise yAda rakhane kI bhI kyA bisAta? akrama mArga meM : kramika mArga meM praznakartA : ye nokarma arthAt yaha saba DiscArja jo kahate haiM, ve haiM? dAdAzrI : vahI, vahI ddiscaarj| praznakartA : DiscArja karate samaya cArja nahIM hotA lekina kabhI to...

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki yaha jo DiscArja hai, vaha kramika mArga kA zabda nahIM hai| 316 praznakartA : hA~, yaha akrama kA hai / I dAdAzrI : mahAtmA jo gussA karate haiM, cir3hate haiM, vaha sabhI nokarma meM A gyaa| apanA sArA DiscArja karma hai| bAkI kramika mArga meM nokarma ko vApasa judA rakhanA par3atA hai / jahA~ para rAga-dveSa nahIM hote, vaha sArA bhAga nokarma hai, aisA hisAba hai / jahA~ krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha hote haiM ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiM aura bAkI saba nokarma / jo bhAvakarma haiM, unameM bahuta saMyoga nahIM hote| eka yA do, ve bhI naimittika kAraNa hote haiM aura saMyogoM ke AdhAra para jo hote haiM, ve nokarma haiN| akrama vijJAna meM nokarma ko to kucha mAnA hI nahIM hai hmne| varnA kyA kisI se kahA jA sakatA thA ki bhAI, ye saMsArI loga, inheM mukti kA jJAna diyA jA sakatA thA ? kitane dina taka raha pAtA ? lekina akrama vijJAna hai to nokarma bAdhaka nahIM haiN| varnA kramika meM nokarma hI bAdhaka rahate haiN| kitanI muzkileM haiM aura Apako hai koI parezAnI ? are .... zAMti se dopahara ko thAlI meM caTanI - vaTanI khAkara aura oNphisa meM jAo to bhI dAdA DA~Tate nahIM haiN| to phira kyA nukasAna hai ? dAdA kI AjJA meM rahanA hai, basa itanA hI hai! aura AjJA koI muzkila nahIM hai na? AjJA kyA koI muzkila hai ? aba samabhAva se phAiloM kA nikAla karanA hai| dAtuna mile to bhI phAila aaii| phalAnA AyA to bhI phAila aaii| nIMda kI bhI phAila / yAnI ki sabhI phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla kiyA jAe to ve nokarma haiN| bhAvakarmoM ko khatma kara diyA hai, pUrI taraha se / praznakartA : nokarma arthAt ye sAre phala haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, ye sabhI phala haiN| isalie mIThe lageM yA kar3ave lageM, donoM kA samatA se nikAla karanA cAhie to phira saba kliyara hone lgegaa|

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[2.13] nokarma 317 praznakartA : hara eka jagaha para? hara samaya? hara cIz2a meM, paristhiti vagairaha sabhI kucha dhyAna meM rakhanA par3atA hai na! dAdAzrI : lekina Apake lie aisA nahIM hai kyoMki Apa akrama vijJAna meM baiThe ho| ina kramikavAloM ko to hara eka cIz2a meM aisA karanA par3atA hai| agara unhoMne kahA ki Aja ver3hamI (gujarAtI vyaMjana) acchI banI hai to unheM cipakegA aura kahA ki 'yaha sabjI kharAba haiM to vaha bhI unheM cipkegaa| jabaki Apa jaba acchA-burA bolate ho to Apako nahIM cipktaa| praznakartA : hama to bolate hI nahIM haiM ab| dAdAzrI : lekina agara ve boleM to bhI unako harja hai| Apako nahIM cipakegA kyoMki vaha DiscArja hai| DiscArja hai, isalie jIvaMta vyakti kA nahIM hai yh| beTarI meM se sela DiscArja hote rahate haiM taba usameM kyA hameM kucha karanA par3atA hai? aMdara jo bharA huA hogA, utane samaya taka DiscArja hogA, phira khAlI ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : nikAla ho gayA usakA bhI, jJAna lene ke bAda methaDa badala gyaa| nahIM bolane ke nau gunn| dAdAzrI : hA~, bole to bhI 'dekhanA' hai aura nahIM bole taba bhI 'dekhanA' hai aura agara koI kahe ki Apa kucha bhI nahIM bola rahe haiM, to vaha bhI 'hameM' 'dekhanA' hai| nokaSAya kI samajha nokaSAya, vaha sApekSa zabda hai arthAt yadi 'tUne' jJAna liyA hai to ye kaSAya tujhe nahIM chUe~ge aura agara jJAna prApta nahIM kiyA hai to chUe~ge, ataH inheM sApekSa rUpa se 'no' kahA gayA hai| bahuta samajhane jaisA hai| ina vItarAgoM kA to yadi eka bhI vAkya samajha le na, to mokSa meM calA jaae| eka bhI vAkya yadi aMdara paca jAe to mokSa meM calA jaae| praznakartA : vahA~ para nokaSAya kA artha aisA karate haiM ki jo kaSAya nahIM hai lekina kaSAya jaise haiM, kaSAya karane meM nimitta rUpa hai|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai / vaha artha galata nahIM hai| jaba taka jJAna nahIM hai to ve saba nimitta hI haiM na kaSAya karane meM ! kisI ne maz2Aka ur3AI to vaha cir3ha gayA, phira se vApasa nimitta khar3A ho jAtA hai na! aura Apa to agara koI maz2Aka ur3Ao to bhI baMdhana meM nahIM Ate, Apako to sirpha, agara use kharAba lagA to usakA pratikramaNa kara lenA hai aura vaha karane kA adhikAra bhI Apako nahIM hai, 'caMdUbhAI' se kahanA hai na, 'kyoM tUne aisA kiyA ? tujhe zarama nahIM AtI, itanI umra ho gaI hai aba ! pratikramaNa karo / ' hameM kahanA hai ki 'umra ho gaI hai aba, dAdA bana gayA, phira bhI tuma aisA kara rahe ho?' aisA kahanA cAhie 'hameM', nahIM kaha sakate?! 318 praznakartA : kaha sakate haiM I dAdAzrI : hA~, kahanA hai aura kauna kaha sakatA hai? aura koI kahe taba to usakA tela nikAla de| yaha kabhI to samajhanA hI par3egA, lekina yaha samajha meM nahIM AtA hai isa kAla meM / becAre, kisI kA doSa hai hI nahIM isameM / zabda to sahI likhe hue haiN| isameM thor3A bahuta bheda rahegA, apane vijJAna meM aura isameM bheda rhegaa| ina donoM ke eka sarIkhe artha nahIM Ae~ge kabhI bhI kyoMki vaha krama hai aura yaha akrama hai| apane yahA~ para ye saba jJAna lekara gae haiM na, isalie hamane Apase kaha diyA ki 'karma nahIM baMdhate / ' isalie aisA kahA ki 'ye sabhI nokarma haiN|' tU cir3ha bhI jAtA hai, use bhI hamane nokarma kahA hai| bolo, aba ye loga ye saba kaise mAneM, phira to ve cir3heMge, lakar3I lekara pIche daur3eMge na! praznakartA : una no kaSAyoM ko Apane nokarma kahA, to anaMtAnubaMdhI kaSAya ke catuSka, pratyAkhyAnI kaSAya ke catuSka, apratyAkhyAnI kaSAya ke catuSka, inheM kyA kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, ve to bhAvakarma haiM hii| usameM anya koI mata nahIM hai ki cAhe anaMtAnubaMdhI hoM yA kucha bhI, lekina ve bhAvakarma haiN|

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[2.13] nokarma 319 aba kramika mArga meM nokarma alaga taraha ke haiN| usameM to nau prakAra ke nokarma batAe gae haiN| ve haiM rati, arati, hAsya, bhaya, jugupsA, zoka, puraSaveda, strIveda aura npuNskved| jabaki hamane yahA~ to cAhe vyApAra kiyA, ulTA kiyA yA strI viSaya sabhI kucha nokarma meM rakha diyaa| praznakartA : jugupsA arthAt ghRNA bhAva yA dhikkAra bhAva yA ghina? dAdAzrI : ghina AtI hai| ghina meM tiraskAra nahIM hai| tujhe ye ho rahA hai, phira bhI hama use nokarma kahate haiN| ve rAga-dveSa nahIM haiN| gaMdagI meM paira par3a jAe to mu~ha vagairaha bigar3a jAtA hai| are bhAI, eraMDI kA tela pie jaisA mu~ha kyoM ho gayA? eraMDI ke telavAle mu~ha se bhI badatara hai| bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'hama use karma nahIM khte|' aisA hone ke bAda vaha una sabhI ke sAtha jhagar3A kare to baMdhatA hai| phira koI vyakti aisA-aisA kara rahA ho, to usameM kisI ko navInatA lage aura vaha ha~sa paDe, to yadi usameM doSa na kareM to usa hAsya ko nirdoSa mAnate haiN| ataH apane mahAtmAoM ko ve bAdhaka nahIM haiM na! apane mahAtmA phira se cher3ate karate hI nahIM haiM na! samabhAva se nikAla hI kara dete haiM na! ha~sate z2arUra haiM, ha~sI-maz2Aka bhI karate haiN| maz2Aka hAsya meM AtA hai, usameM rAga-dveSa ke pariNAma nahIM haiN| una sabhI nau ke nau karmoM meM rAga-dveSa rahita raha sakate haiM, isIlie inheM nokarma kahA hai| kaise samajhadAra loga haiM ye! aisA kahanevAle kitane samajhadAra haiM! praznakartA : dAdA, bhaya kisa prakAra se rAga-dveSa rahita raha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : bhaya rAga-dveSa rahita hI raha sakatA hai, usakA maiM udAharaNa detA huuN| inheM jJAna diyA hai| ye yahA~ para vidhi kara rahe haiM, 'maiM zuddhatmA hU~, zuddhAtmA hU~' bola rahe haiM aura usa tarapha kahIM kucha naI hI taraha kA dhamAkA huA to unakA pUrA zarIra kA~pa jAtA hai, use maiM bhI jAnatA huuN| yaha inakA bhaya hai lekina bAharI bhaya ko bhar3akAhaTa kahA jAtA hai| aMdarunI bhaya ko bhaya kahate haiN| sirpha yaha bhar3akAhaTa hI huI hai, bhaya nahIM huaa|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : bhar3akAhaTa huI, to yaha jo 'bhaya' zabda kA upayoga karate dAdAzrI : vaha to unakI bhASA meN....| praznakartA : unakI bhASA meM bhI isakA artha bhar3akAhaTa hI samajhanA hai| dAdAzrI : bhar3akAhaTa hI samajhanA hai| ise bhaya kaha diyA isIlie to ye ulTA cala rahA hai sb| aise kitane hI zabdoM ke cenja kara denA caahie| mUla zabda logoM ko mile, aisA nahIM hai| jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa sabhI mUla zabda mila jAte haiM ki yaha kyA hakIkata hai aura yaha kyA hakIkata hai| aura jaba taka bhaya laga rahA ho, taba taka to AtmA prApta hI nahIM kiyA aura bhaya ko agara nokarma meM DAlo to usakA artha hI nahIM hai na aura mIniMgalesa hai| ataH aisA hai nokarma / sirpha bhdd'kaahtt| ataH hamameM bahuta sthiratA hai| kucha taraha kI AvAjeM ho jAe~, taba taka hameM kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| jo pichale kisI bhI janma meM sunI hI nahIM ho aura agara naI hI taraha se ullU bole ekadama se, to hila jAte haiM vApasa, lekina aMdara sthiratA nahIM chodd'te| ye mahAtmA bilkula bhI aMdara kI sthiratA nahIM chor3ate haiN| pUrA zarIra hila uThatA hai, z2arA aise-aise ho jAtA hai| prArabdha hI nokarma haiM aba vAstava meM nokarma kA yoM dUsarI prakAra se artha karane jAe~ to kyA hai? to vaha hai prArabdha krm| vaha saMcita nahIM hai| praznakartA : saMcita kA thor3A bhAga prArabdha ke rUpa meM AyA hai? dAdAzrI : ve prArabdha phala dene ke lie taiyAra ho cuke haiN| jo saMcita haiM ve ATha karma haiM na, jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya, ataMrAya

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[2.13] nokarma 321 vagairaha sabhI saMcita haiN| inameM se jitane udaya meM A gae haiM, phala dene ko sammukha hue, utane hI prArabdha karma hai| Ama ke per3a meM Ama to bIsa sAla yA paccIsa sAla yA pacAsa sAla bAda taka Ae~ge lekina aMdara se jo eka varSa kA udaya AyA, utane prArabdha krm| ataH sabhI nokarma prArabdha karma hai| nokarma ataH akarma praznakartA : dAdA, nokarma arthAt jo pichale dravyakarma meM se oNTomeTika banate haiM, unhIM ko nokarma samajhanA hai? to nokarma banane kA koI kAraNa to hogA na, dAdA? dAdAzrI : karma karatA huA dikhAI detA hai phira bhI akarma hai, use kahate haiM nokrm| lekina vaha akarma nahIM mAnA jaataa| akarma to kaba mAnA jAtA hai? ki jaba 'khuda' zuddhatmA bana cukA ho taba, varnA sakarma kahalAtA hai| ataH ajJAnI kI yaha jo prakiyA hai na, to isameM jo bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM, una bhAvakarmoM meM se yaha jo prakiyA huI usake bAda phira dravyakarma banate haiN| praznakartA : yaha prakriyA hone ke bAda kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : isa kriyA meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha guthe hue hote haiN| hara eka kriyA meM krodha hotA hai, mAna hotA hai yA lobha hotA hai, kucha na kucha rahatA hai| dukAna meM jAo to kucha na kucha hotA hI hai| ve guthe hue haiM, inameM se dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN| hama jo jJAna dete haiM usake bAda Apako karma nahIM bNdhte| ye pA~ca AjJAe~ dI haiM na, inakA pAlana karate ho basa utane hI karma baMdhate haiN| karma kaba baMdhate haiM ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ aura yaha maiMne kiyA' aisA mAneM taba karma baMdhate haiN| aba 'Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM ho' yaha bAta to taya hai na! caMdUbhAI vyavahAra se hai, nizcaya se Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM ho| ataH karma baMdhege hI nhiiN| karma bA~dhanevAlA gyaa| jaba taka igoiz2ama ho, tabhI taka karma baMdhate haiN|

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322 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : apane mahAtmAoM ke lie nokarma ko akarma kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna lene ke bAda aba akarma hI kahalAe~ge ve sbhii| loga dekhate aura jAnate haiM ki karma kara rahe ho aura vAstava meM hote haiM akrm| kyoMki 'Apa' usa karma ke mAlika nahIM rahe ab| jagat ke loga to bhAvakarma vagairaha sAre bIja DAlate haiM aura phira bIja kA phala AtA hai| praznakartA : agara bIja hI nahIM DAlA ho to? dAdAzrI : taba to yaha duniyA hotI hI nahIM na! vaha bIja bhI isIlie DAlatA hai ki 'dRSTi' ulTI hai, to phira usake hAtha meM kaise Ae? ataH jaba 'dRSTi' badala dI jAe tabhI ye saba roga jAe~ge, varnA saMsAra roga miTa hI nahIM sakatA!

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma trikarmoM meM khuda kA kartApana kitanA? praznakartA : to bhAvakarma kisa prakAra se nokarma se alaga haiM? ise vistArapUrvaka samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha samajhAtA huuN| vaha bahuta samajhane jaisI cIz2a hai| ina tInoM karmoM ko milAkara hai yaha saba, jise loga kahate haiM na ki 'karma bA~dha rahA hU~,' to ve ye tInoM haiM usake agala-alaga vibhAga banAe haiN| bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma - ina tIna karmoM kI vajaha se hI saMsAra khar3A hai| ye tInoM karma cale jAe~ to khatma ho jaaegaa| tIna prakAra ke karma haiN| isase alaga cauthe prakAra kA karma hai hI nhiiN| inameM se bhI dravyakarma khuda ke hAtha kI sattA nahIM hai| dravyakarma pariNAma haiM aura nokarma bhI pariNAma haiN| lekina dravyakarma kA to bilkula bhI kartA nahIM hai, aura nokarma kA to khuda kartA yA akartA donoM hI ho sakatA hai| ajJAna dazA meM nokarma kA kartA banatA hai aura jJAna dazA meM akartA lekina mukhya kAma kauna se karma karate haiM? bhaavkrm| vaha ajJAnatA meM bhAvakarma kA kartA banatA hI hai| yadi krodhamAna-mAna-mAyA lobha nahIM hoM, yadi ve cale jAe~ to basa ho cukA, mukti| praznakartA : ataH bhAvakarma aura dravyakarma ina donoM ke bIca meM koI bhedarekhA nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : dravyakarma alaga cIz2a hai, dravyakarma arthAt agara pIlI paTTiyA~ hoM to pIlA dikhatA hai, agara lAla paTTiyA~ hoM to lAla dikhatA

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324 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai| mUla cIz2a aisI nahIM hotii| isIlie 'use' bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM aura usa bhAvakarma se vApasa kyA hotA hai? bhAvakarma va nokarma ke milane para phira vApasa se dravyakarma utpanna hotA hai| ataH kAraNa meM se kArya aura kArya meM se vApasa kaarnn| kArya-kAraNa kI zrRMkhalA hai yaha saarii| bhAvakarma ke pariNAma svarUpa dravyakarma aura usameM se nokarma ataH bhAvakarma kI mA~ (orijinala, mUla mahAkAraNa) dravyakarma hai, bhAvakarma yadi beTA hai to usakI mA~ kauna hai? to vaha hai drvykrm| to kahate haiM (oNrijinala-mUla) dravyakarma agara beTA hai to usakI mA~ kauna hai? to vaha hai sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviddens| yaha bAta inakI pIr3hI taka kI hI hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke bAda ve dravyakarma bane aura dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma bane bagaira rahate hI nhiiN| aura phira ina bhAvakoM kA pariNAma kyA hai? to vaha aisA hai ki bhAvakarma ke pariNAma svarUpa dravyakarma banate haiM aura dravyakarma meM se jo phala utpanna hue ve sabhI nokarma haiN| ataH dravyakarma arthAt yaha zarIra milA aura ye paTTiyA~ utpanna huii| paTTiyA~ arthAt jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, aura phira yaha deha arthAt nAma, AyuSya, gotra aura vedniiy| 'hamane' jo bhI karma kie haiM, unake phala svarUpa yaha zarIra milaa| aba deha aura mana-vacana-kAyA ke jo sabhI karma bhugatane par3ate haiM, ve haiM nokrm| praznakartA : zarIra dravyakarma kA sAdhana hai yA dravyakarma hai? dAdAzrI : zarIra dravyakarma hai aura vaha bhAvakarma kA sAdhana hai| dravyakarma kA matalaba kyA hai? prinnaam| dehAdhyAsa sahita bhAvakarma, unameM se dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN| usase phira zarIra banatA hai| zAtA vedanIya hotI hai, azAtA vedanIya hotI hai aura ulTe paTTe baMdhate haiN| yAnI ki jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya aura aMtarAya, sabhI kucha isameM A gayA hai, dravyakarma meN| nahIM hai bhAvakarma svasattA meM ataH dravya meM se vApasa bhAva aura bhAva meM se drvy| dravya meM se bhAva

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 325 aura bhAva meM se drvy| bIja meM se bar3a aura bar3a meM se biij| aba bhAvakarma vaha khuda' karatA hai| dravyakarma khuda nahIM karatA hai| dravyakarma usakA pariNAma hai, riz2alTa hai| yaha dravyakarma arthAt bhAvakarma kA prinnaam| parIkSA kA kartA vaha hai, lekina kyA vaha riz2alTa kA kartA ho sakatA hai? praznakartA : vAstava meM kartA to bhAvakarma hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha bhI naimittik| vAstava meM nahIM, ekjekTa nhiiN| ekjekTa hotA to yoM ghumA dete ki ve turaMta mokSa meM le jaate| pichale dabAva kI vajaha se ekadama sukha meM rahatA hai, isalie sukha ke dabAva se sabhI bhAvakarma sukhavAle hI baMdhate haiN| puNya ke acche vicAra mileM aura duHkha kA dabAva ho taba pApa ke vicAra Ate haiN| bhAva nahIM karane hoM phira bhI ho jAte haiN| ataH bhAvakarma apanI sattA meM nahIM hai| praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA thA ki 'isa bhAvakarma ko isa varlDa meM eka bhI vyakti samajha nahIM sakA hai aura agara koI samajhA ho to maiM unake paira chuuuuN|' dAdAzrI : lekina koI kaise samajhegA! bhAvakarma ko samajhanA kyA aisI-vaisI bAta hai? bhAvakarma ko samajhane kA matalaba hai bhAva ko baMda kara denaa| agara itanA samajha jAe to bhAva ko baMda hI kara de iNsaan| ye saba to apanI-apanI bhASA meM samajha gae haiM bhAvakarma ko| A~kha para jo paTTI hai agara vaha samajha meM A jAe to usase bhAvakarma samajha meM A sakate haiN| badalI mAtra 'dRSTi' hI lekina ye dravyakarma haiM, isa kAraNa se ye bhAvakarma ho jAte haiN| ye na hoM to bhAvakarma nahIM hoNge| aba bhAvakarma jo haiM, ve cArja karma haiN| pichale janma meM jo bhAvakarma kie the, ve isa janma meM unake hameM nokarma ke rUpa meM phala bhogane par3ate haiM, DiscArja ke rUpa meN| nokarma kI bahuta qImata nahIM hai, qImata bhAvakarma kI hai| jo DiscArja karma haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiM aura unameM se jo kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM ve bhAvakarma haiM, jo cArja hote haiN| lekina yaha ina dravyakarmoM ke nimitta se hI hai| aba jo hai, ina dravyakarmoM meM hamane

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326 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kyA badala diyA hai ki ApakI' 'dRSTi' hI badala dii| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aura 'maiM inakA pati hU~', vaha sArI 'dRSTi' calI gaI aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' yahI darzana diyaa| yoM dRSTi badala gii| pahalevAlI dRSTi bigar3I huI thI isalie ulTA jJAna huA thaa| yaha 'dRSTi' badalatI hai, usase phira jJAna badalatA hai aura usase cAritra badalatA hai| dravyakarma dikhAI dete haiM, tIrthaMkaroM ko hI praznakartA : dravyakarma ko kaise pahacAnA jA sakatA hai, vaha btaaie| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, dravyakarma to isa lokabhASA meM dravyakarma ko jaisA mAnate haiM ki indriya pratyakSa jo karma kie jAte haiM, ve sabhI dravyakarma haiN| lekina ve saba to nokarma haiN| indriyoM meM, aMta:karaNa pUrA hI sahI hai| yoM jo khulI A~khoM se dikhAI dete haiM, ve karma nokarma haiN| unake alAvA bhAvakarma haiM, jo khule rUpa se dikhAI nahIM dete, unheM sirpha jJAnI hI dekha sakate haiN| praznakartA : nokarma kauna-kauna se haiN| dAdAzrI : ye Apako jo dikhAI dete haiM, ve sabhI nokarma haiN| praznakartA : dravyakarma? dAdAzrI : jo nahIM dikhAI dete haiM, ve| dravyakarma merI samajha meM to Ate haiM, lekina sirpha tIrthaMkaroM ko hI dikhAI dete haiN| mujhe samajha meM Ate haiM aura Apako samajha meM bhI nahIM A skte| bhAvakarma-nokarma ke bIca sUkSmabheda praznakartA : bhAvakarma aura nokarma ke bIca kA sUkSma bheda udAharaNa dekara smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : bhAvakarma kyA hai? rAta ko gyAraha baje apane ghara kucha loga Ae, pA~ca-sAta loga Ae hoM to unheM 'Aie, padhArie' kahate haiM lekina mane meM aisA hotA hai ki 'ye kahA~ se A gae?' to vaha jo 'Aie, padhArie'

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 327 kahate haiM na, vaha nokarma hai aura 'ye kahA~ se A gae' vaha bhAvakarma hai| nokarma saba khule taura para dikhAI dete haiN| ye saba lar3AI-jhagar3e, mArAmArI, ye dina dahAr3e jo ulTA tolate haiM, phalAnA karate haiM, ve saba nokarma haiM aura aMdara se mana meM aisA huA ki 'abhI ye kahA~ se A gae bhalA,' to vaha jo aMdara ulTA bhAva kiyA, bigaadd'aa| bAhara sIdhA rakhA aura aMdara bhAva meM kapaTa rakhA hai| __bAhara acchI taraha bAta karate haiM aura aMdara kapaTa kiyaa| use mAyA kahate haiN| ataH jo krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke AdhAra para hote haiM, ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| aba mehamAna Ae aura 'Aie, padhArie' kahA (ve nokarma haiM) usake sAtha hI agara aMdara aisA taya kiyA hotA ki 'bahuta acchA huA ki hamane aisA kahA!' to usase phira vaise hI zubha bhAvakarma ho jAte, nokarma ke sAtha milkr| usase agale janma ke dravyakarma kA prakAza bar3ha jAtA, AvaraNa patale ho jaate| aura 'kahA~ se A gae ye abhI' aisA huA, vaha azubha bhAvakarma ho gyaa| usase agale janma ke dravyakarma ke AvaraNa bar3ha ge| yoM aMdherA huA, AvaraNa AyA jJAna aura darzana para, vaha dravyakarma hai| eka hI vAkya meM ye tInoM, nahIM? samajha meM AyA? praznakartA : aba 'Aie, baiThie' z2ora se aisA boleM aura aMdara bhI vaisA hI zubha bhAva ho, to vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha bhI bhAvakarma hai| 'kahA~ se A gae' kahA to vaha azubha bhAvakarma thaa| jabaki isakA puNya phala milatA hai aura usase pApa phala milatA hai, itanA hI pharka hai lekina haiM donoM hI bhaavkrm| ataH mana meM aisA hotA hai ki 'abhI kahA~ se A gae ye?' to usase pApa kA baMdhana huaa| usa bhAva kA phala pApa (milatA hai), usase pApa bhugatanA par3egA aura isase zubha bhAva kiyA to acchA phala aaegaa| bhAvakarma kA pariNAma to agale janma kA dravyakarma hai arthAt yaha zarIra banatA hai usse| aura phira usase vApasa nokarma utpanna hote haiM, nokarma

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328 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sAre dikhAI dete haiM hmeN| Apane 'Aie, padhArie' kahA, vaha nokarma hai| 'abhI kahA~ se A gae ye loga?' usa bhAva ko bhAvakarma kahate haiN| to aba agale janma meM dravyakarma ke rUpa meM isakA phala AtA hai, taba vaha jAnavara meM jAtA hai kutte ke rUpa meM aura koI bhI Ae to use bhagAtA rahatA hai, 'kahA~ se A gae abhI, kahA~ se A gae' aisA karatA hai| mAlika na bano to karma chUTa jAe~ge ye DiscArja krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM, ve nokarma haiM aura vAstavika krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha jo hote haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, bhAvakarma bhI pUrva saMcita ke AdhAra para hI hote haiM na yA puruSArtha ke AdhAra para? dAdAzrI : bhAvakarma jo baMdhate haiM ve isa momabattI meM se banate haiM, ATha karmoM ke AdhAra pr| praznakartA : to puruSArtha kahA~ rahA? dAdAzrI : puruSArtha kucha bhI nahIM hai| puruSArtha to jo bhAvakarma hote haiM na, use 'khuda' jAne aura unheM samabhAva meM lAe, to use puruSArtha kahate praznakartA : yoM samabhAva meM lAnA bhI karma ke adhIna hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, karma ke adhIna nahIM hai, yaha jJAna ke adhIna hai| praznakartA : yadi yaha puruSArtha bhAga nahIM hai, to phira karma hI sarva zaktimAna ho jAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai| karma zaktimAna haiM, vaha bhI puruSArtha hai| yaha jo puruSArtha hai, vaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai| puruSArtha arthAt prgti| pragati do prakAra kI hotI hai| eka saccA puruSArtha, puruSa hone ke bAda kA puruSArtha, usase pragati hotI hai aura yaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai usase bhI pragati hotI hai| ataH yaha puruSArtha madada karatA hai use, isa jJAna ke bAda Apake bhAvakarma

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 329 rahe hI nhiiN| Apa cAhe jo karo phira bhI Apako bhAvakarma nahIM hoMge kyoMki dAdA kI AjJA kA pAlana karate ho| bhAvakarma kA matalaba kyA hai? acchA karo to bhI bhAvakarma, galata karo to bhI bhaavkrm| aba jaba taka kartA hai taba taka bhAvakarma haiN| jitanA bhI DiscArja hai vaha sArA nokarma hai, jo cArja hai vaha bhAvakarma hai| praznakartA : yoM dikhatA bhAvakarma jaisA hai lekina phira bhI usameM khuda ekAkAra nahIM hotA aura DiscArja ho jAtA hai isalie nokarma ho gayA? dAdAzrI : isIlie nokrm| bAhara ke loga (jinheM jJAna nahIM milA hai) aMdara unameM ekAkAra rahate haiM, isalie bhAvakarma ho jAtA hai| krodha kI itanI sArI agni kahA~ se lAyA? paramANu ke rUpa meM the hI ve| sthUla huA na, bAhara nikalA isalie nokarma ho gyaa| aMdara jo hai usake 'Apa' mAlika ho, z2immedAra ho aap| bAhara jo nikalA usake agara mAlika nahIM bano to kucha bhI nahIM hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ho rahe hoM aura usakA mAlika nahIM banA to kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : yaha mAlika nahIM bananA, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : mAlika nahIM bananA, vaha to jJAna hai| 'maiM khuda kauna hU~' isakA bhAna rahatA hai na! to krodha kA mAlika kyoM bana jAtA hai? ajJAnatA se| nAsamajhI se| mAlika hai nahIM aura mAlika hU~ aisA mAna baiThate haiN| bAhara ke (jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA) loga mAlika haiN| ve vAstava meM mAlika haiN| vaisA to dikhAI hI detA hai na, zrImaMta hI dikhAI dete haiM na! praznakartA : yAnI vAstava meM 'mAlika' bhI mAnI huI dazA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : ve vAstava meM mAlika hI haiN| praznakartA : vaha kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : agara mAnA nahIM hogA to ciMtA aura jalana nahIM hogii| mAlika hI haiN| ataH kisI ko jJAna nahIM hai to vaha mAlika hI mAnA jAegA

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330 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) na tb| agara unase tuma pUcho, 'kauna bola rahA hai?' to kahegA, 'maiM hI bola rahA hU~ na!' praznakartA : aura jinhoMne jJAna liyA hai una logoM ko kaisA rahatA dAdAzrI : ve mAlika nahIM bnte| bhUla se bana baiThate haiM ki 'mujhe aisA kyoM ho rahA hai, aisA kyoM ho rahA hai?' basa itanA hI hai, mAnate haiM itanA hI, vAstava meM aisA nahIM hai| deha kI sArI kriyAe~ nokarma praznakartA : to aba isa deha meM nokarma kisa jagaha para Ate haiM? nokarma meM kisa-kisa cIz2a kA samAveza hotA hai? dAdAzrI : sabhI prakAra kI kriyAe~ nokarma arthAt DiscArja karma haiM lekina yadi kabhI ajJAnI ho to use cArja hotA hai aura jJAnI cArja nahIM hone dete| khAyA, vaha bhI nokarma hai, lekina agara tIkhA lagA aura aMdara azAtA utpanna huI, to vaha dravyakarma hai| praznakartA : ye apayaza nAmakarma yA yazanAma karma udaya meM Ate haiM lekina vaha jo vyavahAra khar3A hotA hai, vaha nokarma kA mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha sArA hI nokarma hai| udaya Ane para jo phala dene lagatA hai, vaha nokarma hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki phala denevAle saMyoga? dAdAzrI : ve saba nokrm| (karma) aMdara se bAhara nikale tabhI se nokarma kI zuruAta ho gii| praznakartA : ye jo nikAcita karma haiM, ve nokarma meM hI A jAte haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, ve nikAcita to isase bhI jyAdA mj'buut|

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 331 bharA huA mAla, vaha dravyakarma hai aura jaba usakA upayoga hotA hai, taba nokarma praznakartA : to yaha vANI bolI jAtI hai, usakA samAveza kisa meM hotA hai? yaha nokarma meM AtA hai? dAdAzrI : vANI do prakAra se haiM, usake mUla paramANu dravyakarma ke hai aura yaha yahA~ se jo bAhara khiMcakara jisa rUpa meM vANI nikalI, vaha nokarma hai| praznakartA : ataH yaha jaba koDavarDa meM hotA hai aura usameM se zaoNrTa henDa hotA hai taba taka.... dAdAzrI : vaha saba dravyakarma meM aura yaha jo nikalatI hai, vaha nokrm| praznakartA : mu~ha meM se jo vANI nikale, vaha sArI nokarma? dAdAzrI : nokarma arthAt Apa mAlika nahIM ho, isalie Apa z2immedAra nahIM ho| mAlika bano to z2immedAra ho| praznakartA : aura mana meM vicAra A raheM ho, to ve kisa meM aaeNge| dAdAzrI : ve saba nokrm| praznakartA : aura mana meM jo gA~The par3I huI hotI haiM, graMthiyA~ aMdara, ve dravyakarma meM jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : ve dravyakarma meN| praznakartA : citta, buddhi aura ahaMkAra? dAdAzrI : ve saba dravyakarma meM lekina jaise hI upayoga hone lagA to nokarma bana gyaa| praznakartA : jaba aMdara sUkSmarUpa meM par3A huA hai, taba dravyakarma hai aura upayoga hone lagA taba nokarma hai|

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332 dAdAzrI : haaN| AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) vizrasA, prayogasA, mizrasA praznakartA : to kyA mizrasA aura prayogasA ko dravyakarma aura bhAvakarma kahA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, prayogasA to pahale ho jAtA hai| dravyakarma se pahale ho jAtA hai| bolate hI ho jAtA hai| prayogasA yAnI jo zuddha paramANu the na, to jaba 'hama' bolane lagate haiM, aMdara bhAva kiyA to usake sAtha hI aMdara paramANu praviSTa jAte haiM / ve sabhI paramANu raMga jAte haiM, isa prakAra se prayogasA ho jAte haiM / prayogasA kaba taka kahA jAtA hai? ye zuddha mUla vizrasA paramANu haiM / kucha vANI boleM aura jaba ve aMdara praviSTa hoM to ve prayogasA ho jAte haiM, usake bAda mizrasA hone meM dera lagatI hai / jaba mizrasA hote haiM taba ve dravyakarma kahalAte haiM / taba taka dravyakarma nahIM kahalAte / mizrasA hote samaya dravyakarma kahalAte haiM aura dravyakarma bana jAne ke bAda vApasa udaya meM Ate haiN| I yoM bahuta gaharAI meM mata utaranA / yaha utarane jaisA nahIM hai / ye bhUlabhUlaiyA hai| hama kahate haiM na ki isameM mata ghusanA, aMdara mata ghusnaa| aMdara ghusanA hI mt| mukhyataH AtmA ko hI jAnanA hai / ye bhUla-bhUlaiyA hai / sirpha AtmA ko jAna liyA aura apane Apa hI lakSa (jAgRti) meM A gayA, hama yAda na kareM lekina phira bhI A jAtA hai| rAta ko Apa jAgo to yaha apane Apa hI yAda A jAtA hai? vaha sAmane se A jAtA hai na! praznakartA : sAmane A jAtA hai / dAdAzrI : usI ko sAkSAtkArI jJAna kahate haiM / hA~, anubhava jnyaan| aba AtmA prApta ho gayA hai / phira use bAkI kA saba jAnakara kyA karanA hai! bhagavAna kA zAstra to bahuta gaharA hai / usakA sAra nikAlane kI zaktiyA~ nahIM haiM, isalie loga taraha-taraha ke zabdoM meM pha~se hue haiN|

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 333 ulTI dRSTi, isIlie bhAvakarma iMsAna ko dravyakarma karane nahIM hote, bhAvakarma meM se utpanna ho jAte haiN| ye dravyakarma apane Apa phala dete hI rahate haiN| Apako sabhI nokarma karane haiN| yadi ye bhAvakarma nahIM hoMge to nokarma sparza nahIM kreNge| bhAvakarma ho to nokarma helpa karate haiN| acche karo to puNya kA baMdhana hotA hai, bure karo to pApa kA baMdhana hotA hai lekina agara bhAvakarma kA hastakSepa ho tabhI hotA hai| yaha 'dRSTi' badala gaI hai aura ulTI ho gaI hai isalie bhAvakarma zurU ho jAte haiM, vishessbhaav| svabhAva bhAva nahIM lekina vishessbhaav| aMdara ye bhAvakarma hote hI rahate haiN| ulTI dRSTi hai islie| ye hamAre sAle haiM aura ye mere ye haiM aura vo haiM vagairaha! 'maiM yaha kara rahA hU~ aura maiM vaha kara rahA hU~,' ye sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| ye sabhI aise haiM ki bIja DAla deN| jahA~ samatA vahA~ cArja baMda ina dravyakarmoM meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiN| aisA hai na, kar3avA aura mIThA donoM samabhAva se sahana nahIM ho pAte isalie kar3ave para dveSa hai aura mIThe para rAga hai, isalie karma baMdhate haiN| kar3ave-mIThe meM samabhAva ho jAe to karma nahIM bNdhte| praznakartA : bhAvakarma arthAt dravyakarma dvArA jo koI paristhiti AI.... dAdAzrI : ye dravyakarma haiM isIlie krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote haiM, ve sabhI bhAvakarma haiN| lekina jinheM nahIM karane hoM, jinake pAsa jJAna ho, ve nahIM kreNge| mIThe saMyoga Ate haiM taba khuza ho jAtA hai aura kar3ave saMyoga Ae~ taba cir3ha jAtA hai, isI taraha calatA rahatA hai| lekina agara vahA~ para samatA rakhe to koI karma nahIM bNdhegaa| praznakartA : to phira jo hote haiM, jIva ke aMdara jo krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha hote haiM, ve....

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334 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : ve bhAvakarma haiN| praznakartA : ve jo bhAvakarma hue, ve dravyakarma ke nimitta se hote haiM yA dravyakarma vaha karavAte haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, dravyakarma karavAte haiM 'usse'| lekina 'vaha' dravyakarma kI kaba nahIM mAnegA? jaba 'khuda' jJAnI ho taba nahIM maanegaa| praznakartA : ataH phira merA zarIra abhI jo kucha bhI bhoga rahA hai.... dAdAzrI : jo sukha-duHkha vaha bhoga rahe ho, vaha saba nokarma hai| isIlie hameM usakA samabhAva se nikAla kara denA hai, ye sabhI jo karma Ate haiM unkaa| kar3ave-mIThe Ate haiM unkaa| ataH nokarma kA artha kyA huA? agara jJAnI hoMge to usase karma nahIM baMdhege aura ajJAnI hoMge to ina karmoM meM se vApasa bIja ddlegaa| ahaMkAra pahane cazmA praznakartA : AptasUtra 3963 meM hai ki 'ahama kA sthAna kaba taka rahatA hogA? kArmaNa zarIra aura zuddhAtmA, ina donoM ke bIca meM 'jo hai vaha' khatma nahIM ho jAe taba taka rahatA hai|' yaha 'jo hai vaha' yaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI ajJAna hai| vaha ajJAna rUpI pardA hai| agara ajJAna nahIM rahe to jIvita ahaMkAra pUrA khatma ho jaaegaa| taba phira parachAI rUpI ahaMkAra bacegA, ddraamettikl| vaha saMsAra calA letA hai| ataH ahaMkAra kA hI mokSa karanA hai| mUla AtmA to mokSa meM hI hai na! ajJAna calA jAe to sabakucha calA jaaegaa| AvaraNa do prakAra se haiN| ajJAna rUpI jo pardA hai, vaha aura dUsarA dravyakarma kA AvaraNa hai| dravyakarma to roz2a hote hI haiM lekina hamezA rahanevAle ajJAna rUpI parde kI bAta kI gaI hai| dravyakarma to kucha hada taka hI haiM, usameM koI harja nahIM hai, cAlIsa-pacAsa sAla ke lie hai| usake bAda vApasa dUsare badalate rahate haiM jabaki bhAvakarmavAlA ajJAna to hamezA ke lie haiN| dravyakarma to aisI cIz2a hai ki vaha to cazme ke alAvA aura kucha nahIM hai| vaha koI ajJAnatA nahIM

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma hai| vaha to cazmA hai, jaisA pahane vaisA hI dikhatA hai / pIlA pahane to pIlA dikhatA hai| 335 praznakartA : unheM pahananevAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : ahNkaar| praznakartA : arthAt aisA hai ki ahaMkAra ke aise cazme hote haiM? dAdAzrI : cazme avazya pahanane hI par3ate haiM / taba 'use' (ahaMkAra ko) jo dikha rahA thA, vaha phira ulTA dikhane lagatA hai / ulTA dikhane lagatA hai / isalie phira ulTA calatA hai| dRSTi badalI dravyakarma se aba, dravyakarma kyA hai ki A~khoM para paTTiyA~ baMdhavAkara yaha saba dikhAtA hai| ataH 'dRSTi' badala jAtI hai| vaha saba dravyakarma se hai / dRSTi badala jAtI hai isalie yaha zarIra banA / yaha zarIra jo banA hai, vaha dravyakarma ke adhIna hI banA hai| praznakartA : jJAna se pahale hama jisa dRSTi se jagat ko dekhate haiM, vaha dRSTi kyA vahI dravyakarma ke cazme haiM ? dAdAzrI : dravyakarma ke AdhAra para hI vaha 'dRSTi' hai aura usa dRSTi se hama ulTe cale haiM lekina usakA AdhAra dravyakarma hai / usa dRSTi ko dravyakarma nahIM kahate / ye Apa jise cazme kahate ho na, ve hI dravyakarma kahalAte haiM aura vahI ThIka hai / nokarma arthAt DiscArja hote hue karma aura bhAvakarma arthAt cArja hote krm| bIca meM dravyakarma khatma nahIM ho jaate| hama ulTI 'dRSTi' nikAla dete haiN| isalie vaha (mUla) dRSTi dUsarI tarapha nahIM jAtI hai, dravyakarma meM / vaha ulTI 'dRSTi' calI hI jAtI hai / praznakartA : zrImad rAjacaMdra kA vacanAmRta hai na, usameM ye tIna Dephinezana aise dI haiM ki jo bhAvakarma haiM na, bhAvakarma jo baMdhate haiM, unakA

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336 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) jo riz2alTa AtA hai, vaha dravyakarma hai| dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai / lekina usa riz2alTa ko loga apanI bhASA meM samajhe haiN| riz2alTa yAnI ve agale janma ke cazme haiM aura loga aisA samajhe haiM ki yahA~ para jo yaha dravya AyA hai na.... vaha bhASA bhI hai, vaha koI galata nahIM hai, lekina ye dravyakarma vaise nahIM haiM / dravyakarma kA artha samajha meM A jAe na, taba to vaha bahuta kAma nikAla de| praznakartA : dravyakarma ke bAre meM Apa kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : ina dravyakarmoM ke khatma ho jAne se ApakI dRSTi badala gaI yA nahIM badalI? praznakartA : hA~, vaha badala gaI / dAdAzrI : lekina unheM dravyakarma haiN| jo dravyakarma haiM, ve dRSTi ko sArA ulTA dikhAte haiN| dravyakarma ke AdhAra para dRSTi ulTI ho gaI hai na, ulTI dRSTi ki jisake AdhAra para jagat cala rahA hai, jisake AdhAra para bhAvakarma banate haiN| nahIM to bhAvakarma hoMge hI nahIM, yadi dravyakarma nahIM raheMge to ! dravyakarma se hI yaha dRSTi hai / jo hai usase kucha viparIta hI dikhAtI hai| viparIta dikhatA hai, isalie viparIta calatA hai phira / praznakartA : Apa yaha jo jJAna dete haiM, taba hamAre cArja honevAle karma baMda ho jAte haiM, vaha isalie na ki Apa dRSTi badala dete haiM ? dAdAzrI : usa mUla (ulTI) dRSTi ke khatma ho jAne se bhAvakarma baMda ho jAte haiN| AtmajJAnI aura unake Azrita hI dravyakarma ko samajha sakate haiM / dravyakarma arthAt jo pariNAmita ho cukA hai, 'iphekTa' kahalAtA hai vh| bhAvakarma aura mUla dRSTi bigar3eM, to cArja dravyakarma aisI sthUla cIz2a hai hI nahIM ki jo dekhI jA ske| jabaki loga jo dikhAI dete haiM vaise sthUla karmoM meM ise le jAte haiM aura dravyakarma

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 337 ko sthUla meM hI samajhate haiN| bhAva arthAt sUkSma aura dravya arthAt sthUla aisA samajhate haiN| vAstava meM dravya to sUkSma se bhI Age kI cIz2a hai| aba vaha logoM ko kaise samajha meM Ae? saba cIz2a samajha meM nahIM A sakatI na! cala rahA hai! praznakartA : bahuta spaSTa nahIM huA abhI tk| dAdAzrI : nokarma arthAt DiscArja, pUrA sthuul| praznakartA : dravyakarma aura nokarma eka dUsare se jur3e hue nahIM lagate? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, dravyakarma meM se bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM aura bhAvakarma meM se nokarma utpanna hote samaya dUsare dravyakarma badalate haiN| praznakartA : eka udAharaNa diijie| dAdAzrI : 'Apako' koI gAliyA~ deM, usa samaya ApakA 'bhAva' badala jAtA hai| praznakartA : gAliyA~ dIM, vaha kyA kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha nokarma kahalAtA hai| koI gAliyA~ detA hai vaha to nokarma meM AtA hai lekina 'ApakI' vaha (mUla) 'dRSTi' badala jAtI hai| to usameM se dravyakarma utpanna hote haiN| jo raudrabhAva utpanna hote haiM ve bhAvakarma kahalAte haiM aura raudrabhAva hote samaya aMdara jo mUla mazInarI, yaha lAiTa (daba jAtI/kama ho jAtI) dikhatI hai, 'dRSTi' bigar3atI hai to vaha dravyakarma hai| nokarma ke samaya ApakI (mahAtmAoM kI) 'dRSTi' nahIM bigdd'tii| bhAva utpanna hote haiM phira bhI 'dRSTi' nahIM bigar3atI kyoMki hiMsaka bhAva nahIM hai| 'dRSTi' nahIM bigar3atI, isalie cArja nahIM hotaa| dRSTi bigar3e, tabhI cArja hotA hai| agara dRSTi nahIM bigaDe, to jo bhAvakarma hae ve bhI DiscArja haiN| bhAvakarma aura mUla dRSTi donoM bigar3a jAe~, taba use cArja kahate haiN| praznakartA : bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma se rahita kaise rahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba taka samyak dRSTi nahIM ho jAtI taba taka bhAvakarma,

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338 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nokarma aura dravyakarma se rahita huA hI nahIM jA sktaa| samyak dRSTi ho nahIM pAtI na! vaha mithyA dRSTi badalatI nahIM hai| jaba taka mithyA dRSTi nahIM badalatI taba taka kucha bhI nahIM ho sktaa| yaha mithyA dRSTi, vaha sAMsArika dRSTi hai| jo samyak dRSTi hai, vaha Atma dRSTi hai| vaha dRSTi alaga hai| samyak dRSTi hone ke bAda bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma sabakucha alaga-alaga ho jAtA hai aura phira chUTa jAtA hai| phira alaga hI rahA karatA hai| karma baMdhana ruka jAtA hai| rakho lakSa meM cazme, khuda aura bAharI cIjeM do cIjeM sAtha meM rakhane se, donoM khuda ke guNadharma meM rahakara eka tIsarA guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai, vyatireka gunn| usa vyatireka guNa se cazme banate haiN| AtmA svabhAva meM hI hai lekina dhuMdha bahuta hai isalie dikhAI nahIM detaa| dhuMdha calI jAe to dikhAI degaa| dravyakarma dhuMdha jaisA hai| dhuMdha meM se bAhara nikalane ke bAda bhI kitane hI samaya taka 'usa' para asara rahatA hai| 'jJAnI' usase chur3avA dete haiN| jo agale janma ke bIja DAlate haiM, ve bhAvakarma haiN| ve karma jo bIja rahita haiM, ve nokarma haiN| aura dravyakarma kyA haiM? vaha pichale janma ke kauna se cazme lAyA hai? cAra naMbara ke, ATha naMbara ke yA bAraha naMbara ke cazme haiM? jaise cazme lAyA hai, usI se pUrI jiMdagI dikhAI detA hai| jaise cazme lekara AyA hotA hai, usI anusAra sUjha par3atI hai| dravyakarma meM zaktiyA~ bhI lAyA hai| AtmA meM anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM lekina unameM aMtarAya DAlanevAlI zaktiyA~ bhI lekara AyA hai| isake alAvA mUrchita bhAva va moha lAyA hai| pIle cazme car3hAe to duniyA pIlI dikhAI detI hai| ina cazmoM ke bAre meM patA hai, isalie samajha jAtA hai ki ina cazmoM kI vajaha se pIlA dikha rahA hai! ye pUrvajanma ke dravyakarma ke cazme car3hAe haiM, usI kAraNa aisA saba dikhAI detA hai! yadi cazmoM kA lakSa (jAgRti) rahe, khuda

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 339 lakSa meM rahe aura bAhara kI hakIkata lakSa meM rahe to koI parezAnI nahIM hai| dravyakarma to, isa duniyA ke logoM ko jo samajha meM AtA hai na, vaha bAta bhI sahI hai lekina mUla dravyakarma to alaga hI cIz2a hai| dravyakarma to jo ATha karma batAe hue haiM na, ve dravyakarma haiM aura ina dravyakarmoM kA hI phala haiM ye bhAvakarma aura nokrm| praznakartA : dravyakarma kA hI phala hai? dAdAzrI : ve dravyakarma nahIM hote to ye bhI nahIM hote| dravyakarma kI vajaha se hI bhAvakarma, nokarma hote haiM isalie hama pUrI mithyAdRSTi hI khatma kara dete haiN| ataH bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma vagairaha 'hameM' (jJAna prApta logoM ko) sparza nahIM krte| dravyakarma-bhAvakarma-nokarma sabakucha khatma kara diyA hai| isIlie hamane kahA hai na, 'maiM bhAvakarma-dravyakarma-nokarma se sarvathA mukta aisA zuddhAtmA huuN|' arthAt yahA~ para dravyakarma bhI nahIM haiM, bhAvakarma bhI nahIM haiM aura nokarma bhI nahIM haiN| hamAre dravyakarma bhI nahIM haiM, bhAvakarma bhI nahIM haiM aura nokarma bhI nahIM haiN| arpaNa kiyA jIvita aura rahA mRtaprAya dravyakarma, bhAvakarma aura nokarma arpaNa kara die haiM lekina vaha samajha meM nahIM AtA hai na! karmamAtra arpaNa ho gae haiM kyoMki maiM Apa se kaha detA ha~ ki bolo, 'maiM bhAvakarma, dravyakarma, nokarma saba Apako arpaNa kara detA huuN|' taba pUchatA hai, 'mere pAsa nahIM rakhane haiM?' taba maiM kahatA hU~, 'nahIM, yadi rakhane hoM to pahale hI tuma batA do mujhe| to tumhAre pAsa rkhnaa|' taba kahatA hai, 'nahIM, mere pAsa nahIM rakhane haiN|' phira Apake pAsa kaise ho sakate haiM? sauMpane ke bAda Apako kyA? praznakartA : mana-vacana aura kAyA, bhAvakarma-dravyakarma aura nokarma dAdA ko arpaNa kara detA hU~ lekina phira vApasa maiM to bhogatA hI huuN| maiMne arpaNa kara die aisA kaise kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : jIvita bhAva arpaNa kara diyA hai aura mRtaprAya Apake

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) pAsa rhaa| arthAt jIvita mana, jIvita vANI aura jIvita aMhakAra, ye saba jIvita bhAga arpaNa kara diyA hai aura bAkI Apake pAsa jo kucha bacA hai, ve phala dene ko taiyAra ho cuke haiM basa utane hI bace haiM Apake pAsa / 340 praznakartA : yaha maiM pahalI bAra samajhA / dravyakarma-bhAvakarma-nokarma Apako sauMpa die haiN| isakA mahatva maiM pahalI bAra smjhaa| dAdAzrI : samajha meM AyA na? Apa pahalI bAra samajhe lekina kitane to abhI taka samajhe hI nahIM haiM na? Apane agara sauMpe nahIM hote to bhAvakarma hote rahate aura karma baMdhana hotA / praznakartA : ApakA kahanA sahI hai lekina usakA mahatva aba samajha meM aayaa| dAdAzrI : samajha meM AnA caahie| ThIka hai / aba yaha samajha meM phiTa nahIM ho gayA? praznakartA : aisA mAlUma hai ki apane meM aba bhAvakarma nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to zAyada hI kisI mahAtmA ko samajha meM AtA hai / yoM hI calatA hai mere bhAI / bAkI aisA samajha meM nahIM aataa| rAma terI mAyA / praznakartA : yaha bAta samajha meM AI to bahuta bar3A kalyANa ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : yaha bAta samajha meM A gaI to hala hI A gayA na ! lekina samajha meM nahIM AtA hai na? yaha to akrama hai isalie calatA rahatA hai| samajha meM na Ae to bhI calatA rahatA hai| choTe bacce kA bhI calatA hai na ! jise 'merA' mAnatA thA, vaha saba Apako arpaNa kara diyaa| mere bhAvakarma, mere nokarma, mere dravyakarma, merA mana, merA zarIra, merA vacana vaha saba Apako sauMpa diyA / praznakartA : vaha to maiM aisA socA karatA thA ki ye saba arpaNa z2arUra kara dete haiM lekina kucha dete to haiM hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina use agara samajhane ke bAda sauMpeM taba to

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[2.14] dravyakarma + bhAvakarma + nokarma 341 kalyANa hI ho jAe lekina vaha samajha meM AtA nahIM hai na! abhI bhI kitane hI mahAtmA nokarma ko samajhate hI nhiiN| bar3e-bar3e mahAtmA! phira bhI gAr3I cala rahI hai| hama jAnate haiM ki Age jAkara samajha hI leMge! hama dravyakarma kahate haiM na taba ye aisA samajhate haiM ki abhI paise kI z2arUrata par3egI, phira bhI calatA hai, gAr3I calA lenI hai| ise samajhAne jAe~ge to bigar3a jaaegaa| dAdA ke sahAre-sahAre yaha cala rahA hai na! yaha dravya arthAt loga ise aisA samajhate haiM, to ise maiM calA letA huuN| maiMne kahA, 'calo na, kabhI na kabhI samajha jaaeNge|' agara dravya DAleM to kitanI sArI cIjeM DAlanI par3eMgI, Tebala nahIM DAlanI par3egI? kaI loga aisA samajhate haiM ki pUjA vagairaha jo kucha bhI karate haiM na, ve saba dravyakarma haiM,' kahate haiM ki 'bhAvakarma kA phala AyA hai|' yaha dravyakarma nahIM hai, yaha to nokarma hai| varnA saba se acchA to inake jaisA hai, kucha bhI jAnanA karanA nahIM hai| basa dAdA ne jo kahA vahI sonaa| vijJAna se gayA bhAvakarma ye bhAvakarma, dravyakarma aura nokarma yaha jagat ina tIna karmoM para khar3A hai| to isa kramika mArga ke sabhI jJAnI bhAvakarma para hI haiM aura ve bhAvakoM ko dinoMdina kama karate jAte haiM, krmpuurvk| kramika mArga arthAt krmpuurvk| aba jaise-jaise 've' bhAvakarma kama karate haiM, jaise-jaise bhAvakarma kama hote jAte haiM vaise-vaise svabhAva khulatA jAtA hai| jabaki hamane kyA kiyA ki bhAvakarma para hI pUrA AdhArita hai to usa bhAvakarma ko hI khatma kara diyA kyoMki agara 'Apa' 'caMdUbhAI ho', tabhI bhAvakarma hoMge na? isa vijJAna se to cAra kaSAya cale hI gae haiM na! isalie aba vaha bhAvakarma rahA hI nhiiN| bhAvakarma nahIM rahA isIlie agale janma ke nae dravyakarma arthAt ye jo ATha karma haiM, ve nahIM baMdhate kyoMki 'Apa' bhAva ke kartA nahIM rhe| praznakartA : arthAt vaha jo beTarI hamezA cArja hotI rahatI thI, vaha aba cArja nahIM hogI?

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM, cArja nahIM hogii| Apa merI AjJA kA pAlana karate ho isa vajaha se vaha basa utanI hI cArja hogI, to eka janma ke lie to puNya cAhie yA nahIM cAhie? 342 praznakartA : AjJA pAlana karane meM jo bhI kartRtva kA bhAva AtA hai, kyA usake pariNAma svarUpa ye puNyAnubaMdhI puNya baMdhate haiM? dAdAzrI : baMdhate haiM na ! agalA janma cAhie na ! agale janma meM sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa jAne ke lie puNyAnubaMdhI puNya cAhie na ! to janma hote hI vahA~ para pitAjI Apake lie kapar3e, rAjamahala jaisA baMgalA taiyAra rkheNge| baMgalA banAnA nahIM par3egA / baMgalA banAnA, vaha puNyAnubaMdhI puNya nahIM khlaataa| taiyAra baMgalA hotA hai aura bhAI vahA~ para Ate haiN| sabakucha taiyAra honA cAhie yA nahIM honA cAhie? aura phira jaba darzana karane jAe~ to ghor3AgAr3I kI z2arUrata par3egI / yaha saba cAhie na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : are..... roz2a gAr3I sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa chor3akara jAegI aura vApasa lene bhI aaegii| arthAt yaha vijJAna hai, Apa yadi ekz2ekTa hisAba nikAla lo to bahuta suMdara vijJAna hai / saiddhAMtika aura avirodhAbhAsI / virodhAbhAsa kisI jagaha para nahIM hai!

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[ 3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna darzana aura jJAna buddhigamya vivaraNa praznakartA : jJeya aura dRzya meM kyA pharka hai? vaha samajhAne kI kRpA kiijie| dAdAzrI : tujhe kyA samajha meM AyA? jJeya aura dRzya? praznakartA : jJeya arthAt hameM sirpha aMdara se jAnanA hotA hai| dRzya hama bAhara dekha sakate haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai| bhagavAna ne darzana aura jJAna do zabda die haiN| 'sAhaba, kyA sirpha jJAna rakhA hotA to nahIM calatA? jJAna meM saba A hI jAtA hai na, darzana vagairaha sabakucha?' to kahate haiM, 'nhiiN| isakA bheda samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| jJAna ke binA darzana se kitane hI hala A jAte haiN| aba jJAna-darzana aura cAritra, inameM dRSTA dRzya ko dekhatA hai aura jJAtA jJeya ko dekhatA hai| eka hI cIz2a hai, jJAtA-dRSTA khuda hI hai' lekina jaba dRzya dekhatA hai taba vaha dRSTA kahalAtA hai| jaba jJeya ko dekhe taba jJAtA kahalAtA hai| aba dRzya kise kaheMge? yaha eka bar3A prazna khar3A hotA hai| aisA hai na ki 'dekhA' yAnI yaha to ina A~khoM se dekhA, use dekhanA' nahIM khte| vaha to saMsAra ke lie dekhanA kahalAegA lekina isameM kyA dekhanA hai aura kyA jAnanA hai? isameM darzana aura jJAna kauna se hai? donoM alaga kyoM haiM? arthAt darzana aura jJAna do alaga cIjeM haiN| duniyA ko ise samajhane

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344 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) meM bahuta TAima lagegA, yaha aisI cIz2a hai| aura yadi jJAnI yaha samajhAe~ to AsAnI se samajha meM A jAegA isalie darzana aura jJAna logoM ko samajha meM nahIM aayaa| jahA~ darzana aura jJAna kI bAta Ae, vahA~ para philaoNsaoNphara bhI nahIM samajha paate| jahA~ para bhI dekho, yaha darzana aura jJAna samajha meM nahIM AyA hai| praznakartA : yaha viSaya buddhi se pare hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha viSaya buddhi se pare hai! aba bheda to jJAnagamya hai isake bAvajUda bhI Apako buddhi se kucha samajha meM Ae isIlie udAharaNa dekara batAtA huuN| aba yaha darzana aura jJAna, ve Apako vistAra se samajha meM Ae~ isalie udAharaNa detA huuN| udAharaNa dUMgA to buddhi meM baiThegA aura Apako aisA lagegA ki 'nahIM, yaha bAta sahI hai|' bAkI kA saba to maiM hI dekha sakatA huuN| hama saba yahA~ para baiThe hoM aura usa rUma meM koI AvAz2a ho to koI kyA kahegA, 'kucha hai|' aba billI hai yA kuttA hai, vaha kyA patA cale? lekina 'kucha hai' utanA to ye loga jAna sakate haiM yA nahIM jAnate! nahIM jAneMge? 'kucha hai,' aisA patA calatA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : 'kyA hai' vaha zAyada patA na cale, kuttA yA billI, inameM se kauna hai vaha kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? yA phira zAyada choTe bacce ne bhI hAtha mArA ho! lekina 'kucha hai' aisA patA calatA hai yA nahIM calatA? Apako bhI patA calatA hai? Apako bhI patA calatA hai? praznakartA : hA~, daadaa| dAdAzrI : use kyA kahate haiM? vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai yA darzana? yA phira dRSTi kahalAegI? 'kucha hai' aisA jo jJAna huA, use kyA kaheMge? sabhI kahate haiM, 'kucha hai' lekina agara hama pUche ki 'kyA hai' vaha batAo na!

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[3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna 345 to usakA kaise patA cale? kaheMge ki 'kucha hai j'ruur|' sabhI eka mata se javAba deMge, sabhI kaheMge ki 'kucha hai|' taba hama yahA~ se uThakara gae vahA~ para, 'oho! yaha to billI hai|' taba ye kahate haiM ki 'billI hai|' ye sabhI kahate haiM ki 'billI hai|' arthAt 'kucha hai' vaha bhI jJAna thA aura 'yaha billI hai' vaha bhI jJAna hai, nahIM? ina donoM meM vhaoNTa ija da Dipharensa? ina donoM prakAra ke jJAna meM? to 'kucha hai,' usa anaDisAiDeDa jJAna ko darzana kahate haiN| use dekhanA' kahate haiM aura jo DisAiDeDa hai, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai, use 'jAnanA' kahate haiN| anaDisAiDeDa jJAna ko dRzya kahA hai| DisAiDeDa jJAna ko jJeya kahA hai| yaha kucha hai, vaha hai dRSTApanA hai aura phira sabhI sahamata ho gae ki yaha billI hai to vaha jJAtApana hai arthAt donoM eka hI haiN| praznakartA : Apane billI kA udAharaNa diyA hai na, usakI AvAz2a bhI hama nahIM sunate haiM, hama dekhate bhI nahIM haiM, phira bhI kaI bAra hameM aMdara aisI phIliMga hotI hai ki 'kucha hai, to vaha kyA kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : lekina vaha 'kucha hai' arthAt vaha dRzya hI kahalAtA hai| jaba taka usakA DisIz2ana nahIM A jAe, taba taka vaha dRzya hai| jaba DisIz2ana A jAe, DisAiDeDa, taba turaMta hI vaha usakA jJAna ho jAtA hai| taba taka jAnA nahIM khlaataa| __yaha jagat do prakAra se hai, dRzya aura jJeya va AtmA do rUpa se hai, jJAtA aura dRssttaa| isa prakAra apanA yaha jJAna kyA kahatA hai ki, 'yaha jJeya aura dRzya haiM aura Apa jJAtA-dRSTA banakara dekho|' AtmA to jJAtA-dRSTA hai| aba 'peTa meM kahIM du:kha rahA hai, ' aisA kahA na, to vaha dRzya hotA hai phira agara hama aisA kaheM ki 'kahA~ du:kha rahA hai, yaha to batA?' taba kahatA hai ki 'yahA~ da:kha rahA hai, taba vaha jJeya kahalAtA hai| sabhI DaoNkTara kahate haiM ki 'z2arUra kucha hai to sahI lekina nidAna nahIM ho rahA hai|' nidAna kA matalaba kyA hai? jaba aisA pUche taba kahate haiM, 'nidAna

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346 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nahIM ho rahA hai| kucha hai z2arUra lekina nidAna nahIM ho rahA hai|' aba vyavahAra meM yaha zabda pracalita hai lekina vyavahAravAle ko bhAna nahIM hai isa bAta kaa| nahIM hai pharka isameM koI praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA aura jAnane-dekhanevAlA ina donoM meM kyA pharka haiM? dAdAzrI : jAnane-dekhanevAle ko hI jJAtA-dRSTA kahA jAtA hai| maiMne dekhA aura maiMne jaanaa| cIz2oM ko dekhe, dRzya ko dekhe aura jJeya ko jAne to use 'dekhanA-jAnanA' kahate haiN| yaha lAiTa kyA karatI hai? yadi usameM cetana ho to vaha kyA kahegI? 'maiM dekhatI hU~, maiM hI jAnatI huuN|' usakA svabhAva kyA hai? praznakartA : prakAza dene kaa| dAdAzrI : to vaha bhI prakAza hI detI hai| prakAza do taraha ke haiN| dekhanA aura jaannaa| dekhanA-jAnanA kyoM kahA gayA hai? 'ye saba tAre haiM' aisA kahA to use dekhanA kahate haiN| yaha dhruva kA tArA hai, phalAnA hai' aisA vistAra se batAe~ to use 'jAnanA' kahate haiN| prakAza vahI kA vahI hai| socakara dekhA to vaha jJeya hai aba vicAroM kA agara bahuta z2yAdA ghamAsAna hone lage to aura unheM jAnA nahIM jA sake to darzana meM rakhanA ki bhAI ye saba vicAra eka sAtha Ae haiN| alaga-alaga nahIM jAna pAo taba samUha meM rakhanA ki ye sabhI vicAra Ae, unheM dekhaa| ise darzana kahate haiN| aura agara unheM vistArapUrvaka dekhA to vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai ki yaha phalAnA vicAra AyA, yaha auraMgAbAda jAne kA vicAra AyA, hama usake jJAtA kahalAte haiM, vaha jJeya kahalAtA hai| aura jaba ye sabhI vicAra eka sAtha A rahe hoM to dRzya kahalAtA hai| socakara dekho to vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai aura binA soce dekho to vaha dRzya kahalAtA hai|

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[3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna 347 praznakartA : socakara yAnI kyA? dAdAzrI : sinemA dekhate haiM, taba vaha saba dekhate z2arUra hai lekina aMdara kisI jagaha para aisA Ae ki eka vyakti churA lekara usake pIche kyoM daur3A? kyA vaha mAra degA use? vaha jo hai vaha jJeya kahalAtA hai aura bAkI jo kucha calA jAtA hai, vaha dRzya kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : koI vyakti churA lekara AeyAto pahale hamane use dekhA to vaha dRzya hai lekina agara usameM socA ki yaha kyA karanevAlA hai? taba vaha dRzya jJeya bana jAtA hai, ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : jaba churA lekara Ae tabhI apanA vicAra usameM ghusa jAtA hai| vicAra ghusA tabhI se vaha jJeya hai aura vicAra na Ae aura vaha sahajarUpa se calA jAe to ve sabhI dRzya haiN| praznakartA : ina caMdUbhAI ko kisI bhI taraha kI akulAhaTa hotI hai, parezAnI hotI hai to use maiM dekhatA hU~, to isameM ye donoM, dekhanA aura jAnanA, kaise lAgU hotA hai? dAdAzrI : Apako khuda ko jaba pahalI bAra aisA patA calA to use dekhanA kahate haiN| jaba taka nahIM jAnate ki kyA hai, taba taka sArA darzana hai| ataH jaba taka DisIz2ana nahIM A jAe, to vaha 'dekhanA' hai| praznakartA : to phira jAnanA kise kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : jAnanA, jaba usakA anubhava ho jAe tb| moTe taura para patA ho, taba taka use dekhanA' kahate haiN| DisAiDeDa ho jAe, taba 'jaannaa'| z2yAdAtara to sabhI kucha 'dekhane' meM hI jAtA hai| 'jAnane' meM kama hotA hai| z2yAdA kucha DisAiDa nahIM ho pAtA n| praznakartA : 'jAnanA' kaba hotA hai? DisAiDa kaba hotA hai? dAdAzrI : 'jAnanA' to hameM anubhava ho use jAnanA kahate haiN| loga nahIM kahate, 'yaha davAI lagAte hue kitane dina ho gae?' taba

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kahatA hai 'cAra dina ho gae davAI lagA rahA hU~' 'kyoM kucha....?' taba kahate haiM abhI kucha patA nahIM cala rahA hai|' yAnI davAI lagAtA hai| vaha kyA karatA hai? jaba taka vaha 'dekhatA' hai lekina 'jAnatA' nahIM hai, taba taka vaha darzana hai| abhI taka anubhava meM nahIM AyA ki usase ise kyA phAyadA huA aura phira pA~cave dina kahegA ki, 'Aja mujhe TIsa bAra-bAra uThanevAlA darda kama ho gaI haiN|' vaha isalie ki usa jJAna kA anubhava huaa| dekhA aura jAnA, donoM rileTiva praznakartA : ina donoM meM riyala-rileTiva kauna sA hai? 'dekhA' vaha rileTiva ke AdhAra para jAnA aura 'jAnanA' vaha bhI rileTiva ke AdhAra para dAdAzrI : ye donoM hI rileTiva haiN| donoM rileTiva ke AdhAra para haiN| sabhI sApekSa cIjeM rileTiva haiN| AtmA ke alAvA aura koI vastu nirapekSa hai hI nhiiN| sabhI kucha rileTiva aura vaha bhI vinaashii| praznakartA : arthAt sApekSa ke AdhAra para 'dekhA' aura 'jAnA' vaha to vinAzI huA na? dAdAzrI : vaha saba vinaashii| praznakartA : aba ina saba ko jisane vinAzI samajhA, vaha? yaha jo aisA samajha meM AyA, vaha kauna sA jJAna hai? dAdAzrI : aisI jo samajha utpanna huI vaha kevalajJAna ke nikaTa hai| vaha kevalajJAna ke pakSa meM hai| ataH aisI samajha se mUla jJAna ke, paramAnenTa jJAna ke, nirapekSa jJAna ke pakSa meM AtA hai| aMta meM to yaha saba eka hI praznakartA : arthAt jo dRSTA hai vahI jJAtA bana jAtA hai, jaba DisAiDeDa ho jAtA hai taba? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA donoM eka hI hai, khuda hii| DisAiDeDa ho jAtA

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[3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna hai taba jJAtA banatA hai| jaba taka sArA bhojana DhakA huA hai, taba taka lagatA hai ki 'khAne meM kucha hai' to vaha darzana hai aura jaba khAegA taba kahegA, 'yaha hai, ,' jo DisAiDeDa hai vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| yaha 'kucha hai' aisA lagA usa samaya khuda dRSTA hai aura DisAiDa ho jAe taba khuda jJAtA banatA hai / vahI kA vahI vykti| 'kucha hai' vaha eka prakAra kA jJAna hai na! use kyoM nikAla denA hai? vahI kharA jJAna hai / arthAt darzana aura jJAna, cIz2a eka hI thI / 349 praznakartA : lekina aMta meM to AtmA meM to tInoM jJAna-darzana aura cAritra meM koI bheda hI nahIM hai na? yoM to aisA kahate haiM na ki jJAna - darzana aura cAritra, to samajhAne ke lie ye bheda kie gae haiN| dAdAzrI : aura kucha nahIM hai / AtmA to eka hI hai| yaha to samajhAne ke lie bheda batAyA gayA hai kyoMki logoM ko ekadama se jJAna nahIM ho jAegA na! pahale unheM darzana hotA hai, pratIti meM AtA hai / jaba ye jJAna dete haiM, taba use aisA bhAna ho jAtA hai ki 'kucha hai ' / niraMtara AtmA kI pratIti vahI kSAyaka samakita praznakartA : 'AtmA darzana meM AtA hai, ' isakA vAstavika artha kyA nikAlanA cAhie? I dAdAzrI : darzana arthAt dikhAI denA, pratIti honA / kisI bhI cIz2a ke lie 'kucha hai' aisA laganA caahie| pahale darzana hotA hai aura bAda meM bhAna hotA hai| usake bAda DisAiDeDa hotA hai / aura 'kucha hai, ' niraMtara aisI pratIti rahe, taba kSAyaka samyak darzana kahA gayA hai varnA thor3e samaya ke lie aisI pratIti rahatI hai ki 'kucha hai' aura phira vApasa calI jAtI hai lekina isameM to niraMtara pratIti rahatI hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki abhI samyak darzana huA / dAdAzrI : samyak darzana meM to, samajho ki AtmA kI kucha to pratIti huI aura phira AvaraNa A jAtA hai jabaki yaha to kSAyaka samakita hai / isa para AvaraNa AtA hI nahIM /

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350 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kitane acche, aklamaMda (tIrthaMkara bhagavaMta)! ohoho! isa para to maiM ApharIna ho gayA thaa| use, 'kucha hai' to jJAna meM liyA ina logoM ne| - vaha bAta bhI sahI hai na! 'kucha hai' isameM kucha vAstavikatA lagI na ki 'kucha hai' aisA jnyaan| aba logoM ko darzana kA kaise samajha meM Ae? to jaba maiM yaha jJAna detA hU~ na, to Apako usI dina yA phira dUsare dina subaha lagatA hai ki 'kucha hai|' taba maiM jAna jAtA hU~ ki ise kSAyaka darzana ho gayA hai| ataH Apako maiMne samyak darzana to diyA hai, lekina kSAyaka samakita diyA hai| lekina aba DisAiDeDa arthAt Apa jo ho usa jJAna ko aba jAnanA bAkI rahA aapko| arthAt usakA anubhava honA cAhie aapko| aba jaise-jaise Apako anubhava hote jAe~ge, vaise-vaise jJAna hotA jAegA aura Apa kahate ho ki 'yasa' arthAt anubhava ho gyaa| vaha DisAiDeDa jJAna ho jAtA hai| pahale darzana hotA hai, usake bAda jJAna hotA hai| jaba darzana aura jJAna donoM eka ho jAe~, taba cAritra meM AtA hai| praznakartA : 'kucha hai' aisA samajha meM AyA to vaha darzana hai aura pratyakSa jo taya kiyA, vaha jJAna hai| dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| aba 'kucha hai,' Apako aisA jo jJAna huA, usakA pariNAma Apane dekhA lekina Apane abhI taka kucha spaSTa nahIM dekhA hai| spaSTa vedana nahIM huA hai, aspaSTa vedana hai| ata: Apako aisA lagA ki 'kucha hai,' lekina 'yahI hai' aisA DisIz2ana abhI taka nahIM AyA hai| praznakartA : ataH 'yahI hai' aisA saMpUrNarUpa se taya nahIM huA hai| dAdAzrI : 'yahI hai' aisA saMpUrNarUpa se taya kaba hogA? kevalajJAna hogA tb| jAnA huA samajha meM aura samajhA huA jAnane meM hama dekhakara kaha rahe haiN| yAnI ki ina A~khoM se nahIM dekhA jA

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[3.1] 'kucha hai' vaha darzana, 'kyA hai' vaha jJAna 351 sktaa| isake (AtmA ke) bhAna se dekhanA hai, isake anubhava bhAna se, anubhava dRSTi se| merI yaha bAta Apako samajha meM AtI hai, vaha darzana kahalAtI hai aura jaisA maiMne Apako samajhAyA hai, vaisA hI Apa kisI ko samajhAo taba ApakA jJAna huA kahalAegA aura usake lie vaha darzana khlaaegaa| praznakartA : lekina vaha use pakar3a nahIM pAegA na, Apa usa dRSTi se nahIM kahate haiM n| dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kI samajha meM rahatA hai| samajhanA aura kahanA, arthAt kahanA to, jAnane ke AdhAra para kahA jA sakatA hai| jitanA samajhate haiM utanA jAnA nahIM jA sakatA isa duniyA meN| vaha jAnI huI cIz2a samajha meM hotI hai lekina samajhI huI cIz2a jAnane meM nahIM hotii| mujhe samajha to sArI hI hai lo, lekina jAnapane meM nahIM hone kI vajaha se vaha Apako batA nahIM pAte haiN|

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se darzana aura jJAna kI vizeSa spaSTatA hama yahA~ se ANaMda jA rahe hoM roDa se to isa tarapha per3a aura dUsarI tarapha bhI per3a, isa tarapha kheta meM kucha boyA huA ho, usa tarapha bhI kheta meM kucha boyA huA hotA hai| darzanavAlA kyA karatA hai? vaha sabhI per3oM ko dekhatA rahatA hai| aura jJAnavAlA kyA karatA hai? yaha nIma hai, ketha (kaThaphala) dekhatA hai, to bAkI kA saba dekhanA raha jAtA hai| eka samaya meM sabhI kAma nahIM ho skte| hama sabhI per3oM ko pahacAneM nahIM taba taka agara koI pUche ki, 'vahA~ kyA dikhA Apako?' taba kahate ho, 'bahuta se pedd'|' taba vaha pUche, 'lekina kauna se per3a?' to Apa kahate ho, 'bhAI, vaha mujhe mAlUma nahIM hai|' taba taka vaha dekhanA kahalAtA haiN| aura phira use batAe ki vaha nIma hai, taba vaha jAnanA kahalAtA hai| aba duniyA ke loga kabhI isa hada taka to gaharAI meM utare hI nahIM haiN| to phira yaha unakI mati meM AegA hI kaise? vahA~ taka to tIrthaMkaroM kI hI (dRSTi) pahu~ca sakatI hai| hAlAMki yaha mati kA jJAna nahIM hai, yaha kevalajJAna kA jJAna hai| praznakartA : aura isa bhASA kA bhI nahIM hai| darzana aura dRzya bhI isa bhASA se Age kA jJAna hai| dAdAzrI : bahuta Age kA jJAna hai yaha to| yaha to aisA hai na ki hama ise bahuta nIce utAra lAe haiN| z2arUrata bhI hai na lekin| nIce to lAnA par3egA na? lekina tIrthaMkaroM kI jo yaha khoja hai, ise to dekhakara hI mujhe Azcarya hotA hai ki 'ohoho! aisI khoja!' 'darzana aura jJAna, jAnanA aura dekhanA, alaga kara diyA!' are bhalA eka hI kahA hotA to kyA burA thA?

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se lekina usake pIche kitanA bar3A vijJAna chupA huA hai na! yahA~ se gAr3I meM jAe~ na, to do prakAra ke darzana haiN| eka hai sAmAnya bhAva se darzana, use darzana kahate haiM aura vizeSabhAva se darzana ko jJAna kahate haiN| vizeSa bhAva se darzana kA matalaba kyA hai? yaha nIma hai, yaha Ama hai, ise vizeSa bhAva kahate haiM aura sAmAnya bhAva se dekhanA darzana kahalAtA hai| sAmAnya bhAva meM sabhI jIva A jAte haiN| sabhI jIvoM ko zuddhAtmA bhAva se darzana karate haiN| aura vizeSa bhAva meM to sabhI jIva raha jAe~ge aura nIma aura Ama basa itanA hI dekha pAe~ge / arthAt vizeSa bhAva kI bajAya sAmAnya bhAva acchA hai| vizeSa bhAva meM nahIM par3anA hai, lekina agara koI cArA hI na ho vahA~ para, sAmane agara nagInadAsa seTha A rahe hoM to vApasa vizeSa bhAva meM AnA par3atA hai na? cArA hI nahIM hai na! hai na? aura agara koI pUche ki yahA~ para Ama hai yA nahIM? taba phira hameM dikhAnA par3egA na? lekina anicchA se ! hameM jAna-bUjhakara isa cIz2a meM nahIM par3anA hai ki yaha Ama hai aura yaha nIma ! are bhAI, anaMta janmoM se yahI kiyA hai na, aura kyA kiyA hai tUne? kisakA beTA nIma aura kisakA beTA Ama aba ye sArI jhaMjhaTa kyoM? hameM apane Ama khAne haiM, khAo na cupacApa ! 353 praznakartA : jAnane kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai, tU sirpha dekhatA rh| aura jAnakara balki z2yAdA duHkhI hote haiM ki yaha babUla hai aura vaha Ama hai, to phira usameM phira rAga aura dveSa ghusa jAe~ge / dAdAzrI : babUla dekhane meM eka minaTa calA jAtA hai| eka minaTa meM to kitanA hI dekhA jA sakatA hai, kitane hI AtmA dekha sakate haiM / hama jAnane kA prayAsa nahIM karate, hama dekhane kA hI prayatna karate haiM / jAnane meM pha~sa gayA ki yaha kisakA per3a hai, to usake lie phira vApasa buddhi kI magajamArI karanI par3atI hai ! aura phira, yaha mujhe acchA lagatA hai aura yaha nahIM, vApasa aMdara aisA bhUta ghusa jAtA hai| arthAt yaha bilkula sepha sAiDavAlA mArga hai, agara Apa hamAre kahe anusAra samajhoge to!

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354 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sAmAnya jJAna se vItarAgatA vizeSa jJAna se gar3abar3a hotI hai aura sAmAnya jJAna se vItarAgatA rahatI hai| hama yadi jaMgala meM sabhI per3oM ko zuddhAtmA bhAva se dekhate-dekhate caleM to vaha sAmAnya bhAva kahalAtA hai| isase sabhI AtmAoM ke darzana hote haiM, isase vItarAgatA rahatI hai| hama vakIla DhU~Dhane nikale hoM to usake bAla dekhate haiM yA usakI vakAlata dekhate haiM? hA~, yahA~ para agara kAle cazme pahanakara Ae to to usa cazme se hameM kyA? hameM yahI dekhanA hai ki usameM vakAlata kA guNa hai yA nahIM? usI taraha hameM AtmA dekhane haiN| jJAnIpuruSa yoM jA rahe hoM, taba ve aisA nahIM dekhate haiM ki yaha strI hai yA yaha puruSa hai yA phira yaha moTA hai, yaha patalA hai athavA lUlA hai yA laMgar3A hai, aisA saba nahIM dekhate haiN| to phira ve kyA dekhate haiM?' sAmAnya bhAva se AtmA hI dekhate haiN| vizeSa bhAva nahIM rkhte| vizeSa bhAvavAlA kyA karatA hai? 'dekho na laMgar3A hai!' usase Age kA dekhanA ruka jAtA hai| eka hI dekhA aura lAbha eka kA hI milA aura sau logoM kA lAbha gyaa| vizeSa bhAva kiyaa| ataH hama sabakucha sAmAnya bhAva se dekhate haiN| vizeSa pariNAma ko nahIM dekhate ki ye aklamaMda haiM aura ye beakla haiM aura ye mUrkha haiM aura ye gadhe haiM, aisI jhaMjhaTa meM hama kahA~ pdd'eN| praznakartA : isIlie Apa vaha abhyAsa karane ko kahate haiM na ki eka ghaMTe hara eka ko zuddhAtmA rUpa se dekhane kA abhyAsa karanA caahie| dAdAzrI : hA~, jitanA-jitanA abhyAsa kareMge na to usase phira vizeSa pariNAma khatma ho jaaeNge| vizeSa pariNAma se abhiprAya utpanna hote haiN| yaha aMdhA hai aura yaha lUlA hai| vaha to pudgala kI bAz2I hai| mukAma svadeza meM hI jahA~ ApakA mukAma hai, vahI ApakA deza hai| kisI se pUche to ve

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se 355 kaheMge ahamadAbAda meM rahatA huuN|' phira se pUche ki 'bhAI, ahamadAbAda lekina kahA~ para?' taba kahegA ' hAthI pola meM yA phalAnI pola meM, DhAla kI pola meN|' 'lekina DhAla kI pola meM kahA~ para?' taba kahegA, 'ghara naM-1''are, lekina ghara meM to sabhI rahate haiM, ta kisameM rahatA hai?' taba vApasa soca meM par3a jAtA hai ki 'bhalA yaha kyA phira se?' 'ghara meM to pakSI vagairaha sabhI rahate haiN| tU kisameM rahatA hai?' taba kahatA hai, 'vaha to mujhe mAlUma nahIM hai lekina maiM to ghara meM rahatA hU~ basa itanA jAnatA huuN|' basa vahA~ para buddhi ke daravAz2e bNd| 'to tU kisa meM rahatA hai?' praznakartA : khuda ke deza meM, svadeza meN| dAdAzrI : svadeza meM! nahIM? to phira vahA~ para muhallA vagairaha kucha nahIM hai na! bAkI sArI jagaheM to muhalle-vuhallevAlI, sabhI eddresvaalii| inakA to eDresa hI nahIM hai na? nahAnA-dhonA kucha bhI nahIM hai vahA~ para? kitanI bAra rahatA hai svadeza meM? vApasa bAhara nikalanA par3atA hogA na thor3I dera ke lie! kitanI bAra raha pAtA hai? praznakartA : isameM jAgRti rakhanI par3atI hai ki vApasa aise bAhara nikala jAtA hai, vApasa aMdara ghusa jAnA hai, aisA sb| dAdAzrI : lakSaNa dikhAI dete haiM bAhara Ane ke? praznakartA : turaMta hI dikhAI dete haiN| vaha to patA cala jAtA hai ki yaha bAhara gyaa| dAdAzrI : bAhara kaise jAegA? vaha aMdara khuda ke svadeza meM rahakara, homa DipArTamenTa meM rahakara dekhatA rahatA hai kyoMki usameM kahIM bhI dIvAreM nahIM haiN| isalie vahA~ para rahakara jo vicAra Ate haiM unheM dekhatA rahatA hai| isameM phaoNrena meM kyA-kyA ho rahA hai, vaha saba khuda ke rUma meM baiThakara dekhatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : dekhanA cUka jAe, usa ghar3I vaha kahA~ hotA hai? homa meM hI hotA hai? dAdAzrI : homa meM hI hotA hai|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : phaoNrena meM calA jAe to usake kyA lakSaNa hote haiM? dAdAzrI : baicenI hotI hai| saphokezana hotA hai, bAhara nikalA ki turaMta hI jAnane meM par3a jAtA hai / dekhane meM rahe to khuda ke oNphisa meM rahakara dekha sakatA hai aura jAnane lage to bAhara AnA par3atA hai| are, abhI yaha jAnakara tujhe kyA karanA thA ? vahI parezAnI hai na sArI / vistArapUrvaka jAnane nikalA, ina ddittels| taba kahatA hai, 'mujhe to jAnanA hai, DiTelsa meM kyA hai|' 'are bhAI lekina DiTelsa ko chor3a na ! yaha sabakucha bekAra hai / Aga lagA de eka tarapha se / ' 356 praznakartA : usa jAnanevAle para upayoga rahatA hai? aisA khuda dekha sakatA hai ki vaha jAnane gayA yA isa tarapha gayA? dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA ho sakatA hai lekina vaha pUrI taraha se nahIM rahatA kyoMki khuda jAnane meM par3A hai na! 'yaha kyA hai? yaha kyA hai?' aisA jAnane jAtA hai ina DiTelsa | vaha DiTelsa nahIM jAne to nahIM calegA? praznakartA : clegaa| z2arUrata bhI kyA hai ? z2arUrata hI nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : lekina vaha jo buddhi hai na, vaha DiTelsavAlA DhU~DhatI hai| praznakartA : ApakA jAnanA kaisA hotA hai? Apa jAnane kI kriyA meM par3ate ho? dAdAzrI : jAnane ke bAda hameM aba aura kyA jAnanA rahA? sabakucha jAnakara baiThe haiN| yaha patnI kA bhAI hai, yaha merA sAlA hI hai / isameM nayA kyA hai jAnane ko? phira jo bAkI rahA use bAra- bAra kyA jAnanA hai? praznakartA : yAnI ki jAnane taka khuda ko bAhara rahanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : saphokezana hotA hai / jitanA bAhara rahe, utanA saphokezana, ghabarAhaTa hotI hai / vistArapUrvaka jAnane gyaa| ye baiMgana kahA~ ke haiM? ye baiMgana kahA~ ke haiM? are, chor3a na inheM ! ye sAre baiMgana haiM / saba pudgala kI bAz2I hai| bahuta z2yAdA DiTelsa meM jAkara kyA karanA hai? tU

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se 357 to bahuta vibhAjana karatA hai| nahIM?! 'ise magasa (besana kI miThAI) kahate haiM, yaha goMdapAka kahalAtA hai, yaha jor3oM ko maz2abUta karatA hai,' aisA khegaa| jAnane gyaa| praznakartA : usase jJAna bar3hatA hai na phir| jAnane jAe to jJAna bar3hatA hai na uskaa| dAdAzrI : kaisA jJAna bar3hatA hai? saphokezana hotA hai| yaha saba kaisA jJAna? yaha jJAna kahalAtA hI nahIM hai na? DiTelsa jAnane gyaa| khuda ko jAnanA, vahI jJAna kahalAtA hai, aura yaha parAyA hai, aisA jAnanA use jJAna kahate haiN| basa khuda kA aura parAyA use jAneM vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| jJAna aMdara vibhAjana kara detA hai, yaha parAyA aura yaha khuda kaa| darzana aMdara dekhatA rahatA hai, bs| agara use jAnane nikale to phira DiTelsa meM utaratA hai| vivaraNa sahita, DiTelsa meM jAtA hai| yaha kyA hai? yaha kyA hai? yaha kyA hai? vistAra se arthAt phira AtmA vistAra se utaratA hai usameM, darzana meM utaratA hai, jJAna meM utaratA hai, phira cAritra meM utaratA hai aura vivaraNa meM utaratA hai| praznakartA : vaha nahIM samajha meM AyA, daadaa| kyA kahA? AtmA jJAna meM utaratA hai, darzana meM utaratA hai? dAdAzrI : loga sirpha darzana ko hI svIkAra karake Age bar3hate rahate haiM aura pUrA AtmA, vahA~ para AtmA to sirpha darzana svarUpa nahIM hai na, jJAnadarzana-cAritra sabhI ke sammilita svarUpa se hai| loga kaba taka alagaalaga samajhate haiM, jaba taka khuda kA saMpUrNa anubhava nahIM huA hai taba tk| vaha hone ke bAda alaga dekhane ko nahIM rahatA lekina apanA akrama vijJAna hai isIlie vaha (anubhava) kaccA hai na thor3A, dUsarA bharA huA mAla hai isalie phira vApasa alaga-alaga dekhane nikalatA hai, 'yaha kyA hai? vaha kyA hai?' praznakartA : nhiiN| matalaba kI yaha cIz2a hai ise dekhanA aura jAnanA hai na, arthAt jAnapanA, Apane udAharaNa diyA ki yaha nIma hai, yaha pIpala hai aura yaha Ama hai, usI prakAra isameM jAnapanA (jJAna) kyA hotA hai?

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358 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : isameM to dekhanApana (darzana) hai ki yaha parAyA hai aura yaha meraa| praznakartA : vaha to dekhanApana huA lekina isameM jAnapane meM kyA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, dekhanApana to bahuta sAmAnya bhAva se hotA hai| sabhI jJeyoM ko eka bhAva se dekhatA hai| sabhI dRzyoM ko eka bhAva se dekhatA hai| praznakartA : lekina isameM Apane jo vaha bAta kahI hai na ki 'yaha nIma hai, yaha pIpala hai, to isa taraha se khuda kI AMtarika sthiti meM vaha kina cIz2oM ko dekhatA hai? vaha kyA dekhatA hai? to kisa cIz2a ko dekhane meM par3a jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : usI meM, vaha dekhane meM hI par3atA hai| aura kisI meM nahIM pdd'taa| jise dekhane meM par3atA hai vahI usakA upayoga hai| praznakartA : nahIM, to isakA udAharaNa dIjie na? hama loga kyA dekhane meM par3a jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : isa eka ko vistArapUrvaka jAnane meM par3a jAo to Apa dRSTA meM nahIM rhe| arthAt mUla AtmA meM nahIM rahe Apa kyoMki yaha nIma hai itanA hI dekhate raho to phira dRzya baMda ho jAtA hai| dRzya pUrA hI sAmAnya bhAva se hotA hai| agara eka nIma ko jAnane kA prayatna kare ki 'yaha nIma hai, kaisA laga rahA hai?' to kahatA hai, 'kar3avA laga rahA hai|' cakhatA rahatA hai, usa ghar3I pUrA dRzya baMda ho jAtA hai| ___ samaya lagatA hai DisAiDa hone meM jagat kyA hai, kyA nahIM hai, yaha saba hamArI samajha meM A gayA hai lekina jAnane meM nahIM AyA hai| jaise agara sAgavAna ko kATeM to usase acchA pharnIcara banatA hai, aisA saba nahIM jAnA thaa| per3a hai aisA jAnA thaa| kATane se lakar3I nikalegI aisA patA calA lekina yaha lakar3I kAma kI hai yA nahIM, aisA kucha patA nahIM cltaa| yaha sAgavAna hai yA yaha nIma hai, aisA patA nahIM calatA isalie vivaraNa nahIM aataa|

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se 359 praznakartA : Apane kahA ki yaha jagat kyA hai vaha hameM samajha meM A gayA hai lekina jAnapane meM nahIM AyA hai| jAnapane kA matalaba kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : byorevAra, ddittels| praznakartA : DiTelsa se nahIM AyA aisA kaheM to calegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA kahe to clegaa| praznakartA : lekina donoM meM kAla to hai na? samajhane ke lie bhI samaya cAhie na aura jAnane ke lie bhI samaya cAhie? donoM meM TAima lagatA hai? dAdAzrI : samaya kI z2arUrata hai| lekina samajha meM TAima nahIM lgtaa| jJAnapane meM TAima lagatA hai| praznakartA : darzana aura jJAna ke bIca aMtara hotA hai yA nahIM, samaya kA? dAdAzrI : thodd'aa| praznakartA : vaha gAya dekhane jAtA hai| AvAz2a ho taba kucha hai,' aisA lagatA hai lekina jo gAya hai, vaha dekhane kA jJAna jo hotA hai..... dAdAzrI : hA~, DisIz2ana Ane meM TAima lagatA hai na! darzana kA pariNAma hI jJAna hai| lekina bhagavAna ne jJAna ko mahatva nahIM diyA hai| darzana ko mahatva diyA hai| isIlie rukA hai kevalajJAna praznakartA : to phira RSabhadeva bhagavAna ne kisa AdhAra para kahA thA ki 'yaha caubIsavA~ tIrthaMkara banegA,' yadi kAla taya nahIM ho to? dAdAzrI : unake jJAna meM to saba hotA hai na ki 'yaha vyakti itanA, aisA-aisA bhaTaka-bhaTakakara, isa taraha honevAlA hai|' aisA saba unheM jJAna meM dikhatA hai| unake sAre AvaraNa khula jAte haiM aura saba dikhatA hai| hameM

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360 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dikhatA nahIM hai, samajha meM AtA hai| hameM saba samajha meM AtA hai aura unheM dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : samajha meM AnA arthAt kyA? dAdAzrI : samajha meM AnA aura jAnanA, donoM meM pharka hai| praznakartA : RSabhadeva bhagavAna ko dikhAI detA thA aura Apako samajha meM AtA hai, usameM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : 'samajha meM AnA,' isakA artha kyA hai? isakA artha yaha hai ki khuda ko aisA lagatA hai ki 'kucha hai,' use kahate haiM samajha meM aanaa| aura yaha hai use kahate haiM jJAna meM aayaa| DisIz2ana AnA, vaha jJAna hai aura DisIz2ana nahIM AyA aura aisA AbhAsa huA ki 'kucha hai' to use kahate haiM smjh| yaha kucha hai, aisA jo AbhAsa hotA hai, vaha eka prakAra kA jJAna hai lekina vaha samajharUpI jJAna hai| praznakartA : jo dikhAI diyA vaha samajha meM AyA aura jise jAnA vaha jJAna meM aayaa| dekhane meM aura jAnane meM bahuta pharka hai| dAdAzrI : dekhane aura jAnane meM bahuta pharka hai| hamane pUrA jagat dekhA hI hai na, abhI taka jAnane meM nahIM AyA hai isIlie hamArA kevalajJAna rukA huA hai, kevaladarzana meM hai yh| praznakartA : hama aisA kahate haiM ki 'dAdA ko kevaladarzana hai,' to usameM kyA hotA hogA? dAdAzrI : arthAt vahA~ para samajha meM hai ki yaha jagat kevala samajha meM AyA hai arthAt jaisA hai vaisA samajha meM AyA hai lekina vaha jJAna meM nahIM AyA hai| samajha meM Ae hue ko khuda jAna z2arUra sakatA hai lekina usameM barata nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : aisA hI hai, aisA hI hai, aisA samajha meM AtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina isameM barata nahIM sakate ve pUrI taraha se|

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[3.2] darzana sAmAnya bhAva se, jJAna vizeSa bhAva se 361 praznakartA : to kisI bhI vyakti ke koI bhI saMyoga spaSTa darzana meM A jAte haiM yA una para upayoga rakhanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve darzana meM A jAte haiN| pUre jagat ke sabhI paryAya darzana meM A jAte haiN| kevldrshn| usa darzana kI zuruAta kahA~ se hotI hai? darzana to jIvamAtra meM hotA hai, use loga sUjha kahate haiM jisake AdhAra para jIva kAma kara rahA hai| usakA agara koI AdhAra ho to vaha sirpha sUjha hai| sirpha darzana hI hai, sirpha sUjha hI hai| vaha jaba aMdara se ruka jAtA hai na, taba khuda ulajhana meM par3a jAtA hai aura cAroM tarapha se duniyA use du:khI kara detI hai| use duHkhI karake parezAna kara detI hai aura phira vaha thor3I dera baiThA rahatA hai yA phira ulTA hokara so jAtA hai ki itane meM use aMdara prakAza ho jAtA hai| phira calane lagatA hai tez2I se| use aMdara se sUjha par3a jAtI hai| praznakartA : to kyA jJAnI kI sUjha kI renja bahuta bar3I hotI hai, dAdA? dAdAzrI : unameM to sUjha kA bahuta bar3A prapAta phUTatA hai| jabaki inameM choTI sI dhArA bahatI hai aura jJAnI meM to bar3A prapAta phUTatA hai| praznakartA : to sabakucha spaSTarUpa se patA cala jAtA hai, daadaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, ye darzana aura jJAna ke bAre meM hama jo javAba dete haiM na, vaha javAba to aise haiM ki zAstra meM bhI na mileN| kitanI sUkSma samajha tIrthaMkaroM kI Aja yaha bAta logoM ko samajha meM nahIM AtI, to phira jina puruSoM ne isa bAta ko samajhA hai, jinhoMne kahI hogI, vaha kaisI hogI? ve apane deza meM hI janme the! praznakartA : unhoMne ye saba bAteM kI, taba kyA samAja DevelapDa nahIM thA? bahuta pahale bAta kara gae hoMge? dAdAzrI : samAja to bahuta DevelapDa thA usa smy| praznakartA : to kyA phira abhI nahIM hai?

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362 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : bIca meM bilkula aMdhakAramaya kAla A gayA thaa| aba Develapa hone lagA hai| abhI acchA DevelapDa hai| aba itanI adhika bArIkI to isa saMsAra ke loga samajheMge nahIM na! saMsAra ke loga hameM samajheMge nahIM na ki yaha kitanA sUkSma vivaraNa hai! bhagavAna kitanI sUkSmatA taka utare haiM! praznakartA : dAdA, Apane Aja batAyA, 'dekhanA aura jaannaa|' yaha bahuta adbhuta hai! isakA to bahuta bar3A artha nikAlA Apane! dekhanA aura jAnanA, darzana aura jnyaan| naI hI cIz2a jAnane ko milI hai aaj| dAdAzrI : adbhuta cIz2a hai| praznakartA : bahuta bar3A spaSTIkaraNa hai, darzana aura jJAna kyA hai, vaha spaSTa ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : yaha bAta aisI hai ki sirpha bhagavAna hI samajha skeN| bahuta sUkSma khoja kI hai bhagavAna ne aura bhagavAna to aklamaMda mA~ ke aklamaMda beTe the! kitanI gaharI samajha hai yaha! tIrthaMkaroM kI bAta kitanI suMdara hai, Apako aisA lagatA hai na? jJAna aura darzana ko spaSTa kara diyA hai na? varnA logoM ko aisA AtA nahIM hai| logoM ko yadi pUcho na to kucha bhI nahIM, kar3hI aura khicar3I, ye do hI cIjeM samajhate haiN| kitanI adbhuta cIz2a hai! yaha eka cIz2a, eka hI zabda yadi samajha meM A jAe to kitanA kAma kara de| yaha Apako samajha meM AyA? yaha to Apako ApakI hI bhASA meM pUre artha meM samajhA diyaa| isase bhI Age kA artha hai, vaha hamAre jJAna meM dikhAI detA hai lekina sthUla meM bhI buddhi se samajha meM A sake, aisA hai ki yaha 'kucha hai|' vaha jJAna to hai hI na lekina 'kucha hai' aisA kisI bhI prakAra kA jJAna huA hai, lekina kyA hai' vaha jJAna nahIM huA hai| arthAt DisAiDeDa jJAna, vaha jJAna hai aura anaDisAiDeDa jJAna, vaha darzana hai| kitanI samajhadArI kI bAta hai!

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka AtmA kA jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva praznakartA : dAdA Apa jaba jJAna dete haiM taba usa jJAna meM jo bheda jJAna hotA hai, usa samaya zuddhAtmA aura pratiSThita AtmA do vibhAjana ho jAte haiN| aba zuddhAtmA jo hai vaha dekhanevAlA aura jAnanevAlA rahA aura jo pratiSThita AtmA hai, vaha galana hai| dAdAzrI : galana arthAt karanevAlA aura bhognevaalaa| praznakartA : karanevAlA aura bhognevaalaa| arthAt yaha pratiSThita AtmA jo kucha bhI karatA hai, use zuddhAtmA nihAratA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| pratiSThita AtmA jo kucha bhI karatA hai, use zuddhAtmA dekhatA hai| pratiSThita AtmA kA matalaba kyA hai? ki tIna yogoM se pratiSThita AtmA kahalAtA hai| manoyoga, vacanayoga aura kAyA yoga aura ye tInoM kyA kara rahe haiM, unheM jo dekhe, vahI hai isa zuddhAtmA kA kaary| praznakartA : lekina saba jJeyoM ko dekhane kI-jAnane kI yaha jo AtmA kI kriyA hai, jJAtA aura dRSTA, vaha bhI usakI eka kriyA hI huI na! to vaha usakA eka karma huA na? dAdAzrI : dekhane-jAnane kA to khuda kA mUla svabhAva hai| svabhAva se bAhara nikalanA karma kahalAtA hai| svabhAva se viruddha karanA, use karma kahate haiN| svabhAva ko karma nahIM khte| pAnI nIce calA jAe to use karma nahIM kahate, vaha svabhAva kahalAtA hai aura agara Upara caDhAnA paDe to karma karanA par3atA hai|

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364 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) __ ataH dekhane-jAnane kA to unakA svabhAva hai| to usakA phala kyA hai? to vaha hai paramAnaMda! bs| vaha saba sAtha meM hI hai saaraa| dekhanA-jAnanA aura prmaanNd| anya anaMta guNa bhI haiN| AtmA kI sirpha jJAnakriyA aura darzana kriyA praznakartA : dekhane kI kriyA meM bhI kucha karanA to hotA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usameM karanA nahIM hotaa| vaha jJAnakriyA kahalAtI hai| usakA koI kartA nahIM hotaa| ahaMkAra nahIM hotaa| jabaki bAkI sabhI kriyAe~ ahaMkAra kI hotI haiN| bhAvakarma, ve sabhI ahaMkAra ke haiM! praznakartA : phira vyavahAra meM mAtra jJAtA-dRSTA kI taraha hU~,' aise kisa prakAra se rahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : vyavahAra meM khuda kartA ke rUpa meM hai aura vAstava meM vaha jJAtA-dRSTA hai| aba vyavahAra meM vaha kisa cIz2a kA kartA hai? saMsAra kA kartA hai aura vAstava meM jJAtA-dRSTA arthAt darzana kriyA aura jJAnakriyA kA kartA hai| anya koI kriyA nahIM hai, vahA~ para sAMsArika kriyA nahIM hai| jJAna upayoga vaha jJAnakriyA kahI jAtI hai aura darzana upayoga vaha darzana kriyA kahI jAtI hai| aba yaha jJAna upayoga kyA hai? to vaha hai, 'yaha jo kriyAvAlA pudgala hai vaha khuda kI kriyA meM pariNamana karatA hai| una sabhI kriyAoM ko dekhanevAlA yaha jJAna upayoga hai ! kisI bhI paudgalika kriyA kA kartA nahIM hai| vaha apane khuda ke svabhAva kA kartA hai, na ki parabhAva kA kartA hai| mokSa ke lie jJAnakriyA kI z2arUrata hai| ajJAna kriyA baMdhana hai| kriyA kise kahate haiM? ahaMkAra kI kriyA ko ajJAna kriyA kahA jAtA hai aura jo niahaMkArI kriyA hai, use jJAnakriyA kahA jAtA hai| isakA matalaba kyA hai ki jo cAritra mohanIya karma haiM, abhI khAnA khAne jAe~ to ve saba DiscArja karma haiN| aba use dekhate rahanA, vahI jJAnakriyA kahalAtI hai| usa jJAnakriyA se, jJAna kriyAbhyAma mokss| abhI Apa jo kucha bhI karate ho na, use Apa

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 365 aisA jAnate ho ki 'caMdUbhAI kara rahe haiM,' 'vyavasthita' kartA hai aisA jAnate ho| Apa use dekhate rahate ho, vaha jJAnakriyA hai| aba vahA~ para abhI saba logoM kI samajha meM kaisA rahatA hai ki 'jJAna aura kriyA, jJAna kriyAbhyAma mokss| arthAt ina zAstroM ke AdhAra para unheM jJAna bhI hai aura hama ye kriyAe~ bhI kara rahe haiM lekina ve kriyAe~ to ajJAna kriyA kahalAtI haiM jabaki Apa jJAnakriyA karate ho| Apa jo nikAla karate ho, vaha saba jJAnakriyA kahalAtI hai| usa jJAnakriyA se mokSa hai| jo kucha bhI kriyA jJAna sahita hotI hai, usake AdhAra para mokSa hotA hai| jJAna upayoga ko jJAnakriyA kahate haiN| aura jJAnakriyA se yaha sArA hala A gyaa| 'dekhanA aura jAnanA,' ve donoM isake guNa haiM jabaki karanA' pudgala kA guNa hai| jJAnadhArA aura kriyAdhArA donoM calate haiM bhinna praznakartA : to maiM yaha samajhanA cAhatA thA ki yaha kartRtva kI dhArA aura jJAtRtva kI dhArA eka sAtha nahIM cala sakatIH aisA kahA gayA thA lekina apane yahA~ kyA donoM eka sAtha calanI hI cAhie? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| eka sAtha nahIM calanI caahie| aisA hai na ki kartRtva kI jo dhArA AtI hai, vaha udaya ke adhIna hai aura hama jJAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt vaha ho rahI hai aura yaha dekhanevAlA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ho rahA hai aura yaha dekhatA rahatA hai| dUsarA koI khela nahIM karanA hai| jo caMdUbhAI ko jAnatA hai vahI AtmA hai, zuddhAtmA hai kyoMki karanevAlA aura jAnanevAlA donoM kA vyavahAra jo eka thA vaha aba alaga-alaga ho gayA hai| pahale donoM kA vyApAra sAjhA thA ki karanevAlA bhI maiM aura jAnanevAlA bhI maiM / arthAt kyA ho rahA thA? donoM dhArA, jAnane kI dhArA amRtadhArA hai aura karane kI dhArA vaha viSadhArA hai, donoM dhArAe~ ikaTThI cala rahI thIM, ataH jJAna ke bAda hama saba meM kyA huA hai? donoM dhArAoM ko alaga kara diyA hai| aba yaha zuddhAtmA kI amRtadhArA alaga

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366 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai aura yaha viSadhArA alaga hai| vahIM para yaha vijJAna hai, usameM thor3I sI bhI galatI karoge to mAra khA jaaoge| sardI ke dinoM meM yaha baTana dabA diyA to pUrI rAta paMkhe calane lageMge, to usa ghar3I kyA dazA hogI? z2arA mere pAsa Akara samajhanA par3egA yaha vijJAna / vaha bahuta samajhane jaisA hai| praznakartA : lekina kabhI agara aisA kara diyA aura mana meM aisA lage ki 'are, maiMne aisA kahA~ kara diyA,' to? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' nahIM AnA caahie| 'maiM' zabda, khuda kartA hai hI nahIM to phira 'maiMne kiyA' aisA bola hI kaise sakate haiM? khuda kartA hai hI nahIM kisI kriyA kA, jJAtA-dRSTA bana gayA hai| Apako kauna sA pada diyA hai? praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA pd| dAdAzrI : aura Apa aisA kaho ki 'maiMne kiyA' to usakA matalaba to vaha inavolva ho gayA, vaha to galata hI hai na! Apa aisA kaha hI nahIM sakate ki 'maiMne kiyaa|' Apako zaMkA hotI hai to ye vRttiyA~ calI jAtI haiM, Apa khuda nahIM jaate| ye to vRttiyA~ calI jAtI haiM, jabaki vaha samajhatA hai ki 'maiM calA gyaa|' are! Apa nahIM gae, Apa usameM ho hI kaise sakate ho! 'maiM to jJAtA-dRSTAvAlA huuN|' Apako yaha sArA vijJAna samajha meM AyA? koI bhI hilA na sake, aisA hai yaha vijnyaan| aura usake bAda yaha kartApana rahA pudgala kA, Apake jJAtA hone ke bAda ApakA kartApana rahA hI nahIM na! jo karatA hai vaha jAnatA nahIM hai aura jo jAnatA hai vaha karatA nahIM hai| kartAbhAva aura dRSTAbhAva donoM alaga haiN| 'mujhe yaha huA,' 'maiM yaha kara rahA hU~,' aisA nahIM lekina maiMne yaha jAnA' aisA rahatA hai, jJAtA-dRSTA rahegA, to kaoNz2a nahIM ddleNge| praznakartA : Apane pada to jJAtA-dRSTA kA diyA hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : to Apa aisA kaha rahe the ki hamAre mahAtmA dRSTA pada meM hai, jabaki hamArA pada jJAtA-dRSTA kA hai|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka dAdAzrI : hA~, ApakA dRSTA kA hai| darzana khulA hai na, isalie dRSTA pada rahatA hai praznakartA : jJAtApada nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : aba jJAtA to anubhava hote-hote hogaa| jitanA anubhava hogA utanA hI jJAtA rahA jA skegaa| 367 inheM kisI ne gAlI de dI, to usa ghar3I hila jAte haiM lekina vApasa mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'nahIM, jise gAlI dI hai vaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai / ' yoM vaha anubhava huA isalie phira agalI bAra vaha z2arA z2yAdA jJAtA pada meM rhegaa| usake bAda vaha jJAna meM rahate-rahate-rahate jJAtApada meM A jAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt jaisa-jaise jAgRti bar3he, vaise-vaise jJAtApada bar3ha jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : jAgRti to hai hI lekina ve jo hisAba haiM na, una hisAboM ko cukAe bagaira jAgRti nahIM raha sakatI / jaise-jaise hisAba cukate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise jJAna bar3hatA jAegA / darzana aura jJAna mila gae to use cAritra kahate haiN| usa ghar3I aMdara tapa kI z2arUrata par3atI hai ! anubhava to kaI bAra aMdara kacoTatA rahatA hai, jaise ki paTTI ukhAr3eM to eka-eka bAla ko sAtha meM lekara ukhar3atI hai na! hRdaya aMdara tapa jAtA hai, acchI taraha se tapa jAtA hai, vaha adITha tapa hai ! adITha tapa kisI ko dikhAI nahIM detA / cehare para se patA calatA hai lekina adITha tapa bAhara dikhAI nahIM detA aura ye loga jo bAhya tapa karate haiM, usakA phala saMsAra phala hai aura adITha tapa kA phala mokSa hai| jagat meM adITha tapa hai hI nahIM / praznakartA: dAdA, hameM to isameM samaya lagegA na? abhI to hamArA dRSTApada hI rahegA na? dAdAzrI : dRSTApada to bahuta ucca pada kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : nhiiN| yAnI ki hamArA to dRSTA pada rahegA na yA jJAtA pada AegA?

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368 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : dRSTApada to rahegA lekina phira jJAtA pada meM to AtA hI jA rahA hai na dinoNdin| niraMtara puruSArtha cala rahA hai na! praznakartA : yAnI AtA hI rahegA? dAdAzrI : niraMtara puruSArtha cala hI rahA hai, puruSa hone ke bAda aura isIlie ye pA~ca AjJA dI haiM, puruSArtha karane ke lie hii| niraMtara puruSArtha jArI hI hai| saMyama ke pariNAma hI Ate rahate haiN| loga bhI dekhate haiM ki abhI to jhagar3A kara rahe the na! matabheda aura bolA-cAlI ho gaI thI aura vApasa phira se eka sAtha baiThakara khA-pI rahe haiN| kyA ho gayA hai yaha? vaha hai saMyama pariNAma! sabhI pariNAma jhar3a jAte haiM jJAnI ke jJAnIpuruSa jaba khA~sate haiM, kaise khA~sI AtI hai aura usa para hameM bhI maz2A AtA hai ki kyA bAta hai!' praznakartA : to ye khA~sanevAle jJAnIpuruSa kauna aura maz2e karanevAle 'hama' kauna haiM? dAdAzrI : khA~sanevAle jJAnIpuruSa, aura maz2A lenevAlI prjnyaa| jo paristhiti ke mAlika haiM, ve khA~sanevAle haiN| paristhiti zabda upayoga karane yogya hai| praznakartA : lekina isIlie dAdA ne kahA hai na ki kudarata meM kisI ko daMDa nahIM hai aura kisI ko lAbha bhI nahIM hai| use usI kA pariNAma detI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, pariNAma detI hai| praznakartA : hama jo kala rAta ko agara bAhara nahIM nikale hote to yoM khA~sanevAle kA maukA nahIM aataa| vahI pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : to yaha pariNAma nahIM AyA hotA, phira pariNAma nahIM AtA to ye paramANu aMdara hI raha jAte isalie bAhara nikale vaha ThIka hI hai| yaha

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 369 niyama sahita hai| aisA saba mere dhyAna meM rahatA hI hai| yaha khA~sI honI hI cAhie thii| praznakartA : lekina pariNAma bhoganA hI par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : pariNAma kA matalaba to yaha hai ki hameM rAz2I-khuzI se bhoganA par3atA hai| kaoNz2ez2a nahIM karane caahie| kaoNz2ez2a baMda kara dene cAhie aura agara baMda na ho sakeM to unheM jAnanA caahie| kaoNz2ez2a baMda nahIM ho sakate kyoMki pUrva ke saMskAra haiN| baMda nahIM ho sakate lekina unheM jAnanA cAhie ki yaha bhUla ho rahI hai| basa itanA hii| praznakartA : arthAt jnyaataa-dRssttaabhaav| yadi isa bAre meM aisA huA hai to aba vaha cIz2a jIvana ke hara eka vyavahAra meM apanAI jA sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, hara eka vyavahAra meM honI hI caahie| vyavahAra kyoM kahA jAtA hai kyoMki nizcaya hai islie| aba, vyavahAra aura nizcaya donoM alaga hI haiM, vyavahAra iTa selpha aisA prUva karatA hai| hA~, aura pUrA vyavahAra DrAmA hai aura nizcaya DrAmeTika bhaavnaa| isa taraha sArA vyavahAra calatA rahatA hai| vyavahAra DrAmA hai| use dekhate rahanA hai! aura kucha nahIM hai| praznakartA : dAdA, vaha itanA sarala nahIM hai| jaba taka jJAna nahIM lete taba taka isakA patA hI nahIM cltaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, nahIM cltaa| eka akSara bhI patA nahIM cltaa| jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba z2arA alaga par3atA hai, taba patA calatA hai| dekhanA svabhAva hai, calanA vibhAva hai praznakartA : hiMdI AptavANI meM yaha bAta hai ki isa samasaraNa mArga meM duniyA kA enDa nahIM AtA, apanA bhI enDa nahIM aataa| isa mArga kA enDa AtA hai| Apa jisa para calate ho, usakA enDa AtA hai| dAdAzrI : 'dekhanevAlA' mukta ho gyaa| aura agara calanevAlA usake sAtha hogA to baMdhana usake sAtha ke sAtha hI rahegA!

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370 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : aura duniyA to calatI hI rhegii| dAdAzrI : vaha calatI hI rhegii| praznakartA : 'dekhate' rahane se usakI vaha kar3I chUTa gii| dAdAzrI : chUTa gii| calanevAlA aura dekhanevAlA alaga ho gae na ! calanevAle ke sAtha caleM, taba taka saMsAra hai| usa calanevAle ko dekhanA, vahI mukti hai| duniyA to calatI hI rhegii| vaha rukegI kyA? Apa use oNrDara karo ki 'ruka jAo,' phira bhI nahIM rukegI? / praznakartA : rukegI hI nhiiN| isa baoNDI meM calanevAlA aura dekhanevAlA donoM haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, calanevAlA aura dekhanevAlA, do bhAga haiN| praznakartA : to jisa taraha duniyA calatI rahatI hai, usI taraha yaha bhI usake sAtha calatA hI rahegA na? dAdAzrI : lekina vaha sAtha-sAtha bolatA hai ki 'maiM calatA bhI hU~ aura dekhatA bhI hU~,' taba taka baMdhana hai| hamezA sAtha-sAtha dekhatA bhI jAtA hai aura calatA bhI jAtA hai| dekhatA jAtA hai....dekhane kA svabhAva to chUTatA nahIM hai na! 'dekhanA' svabhAva hai aura 'calanA' vibhAva hai| dekhanA to usakA svabhAva ho gayA aura calane kA vibhAva, vizeSabhAva hai! praznakartA : aura 'duniyA to calatI hI rahegI,' aisA kahA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, niraMtara calatI hI rahatI hai aura yaha bhI jaba taka cale aura use bhI jAnate aura dekhate raheMge, taba taka chUTeMgI nhiiN| vaha to, jaba calanA baMda kara degA aura sirpha dekhegA hI, taba chUTa jaaegii| aba Apa dekhate rahate ho na? praznakartA : lekina ye jo caMdUbhAI calate haiM, unheM bhI dekhate rahanA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, basa itanA hii| yaha philma calatI hai, use dekhate rahanA

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka hai| pahale to cala bhI rahA thA khuda hI aura dekhatA bhI khuda hI thA / philma bhI khuda aura dRSTA bhI khud| 'dekhane' meM kucha pharka hai? praznakartA: apanI prakRti ko jo satata dekhate rahate haiM hama, aba yaha jo dekhane kI kriyA hotI hai to kaI bAra aisA lagatA hai ki dekhane kI kriyA bIca meM kisI aura ke mAdhyama se ho rahI hai| aisA lagatA hai dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina dekhate to ho na? praznakartA : hA~, dekha to pAte haiM / 371 dAdAzrI : arthAt jo sthUla meM hai, vaha z2arA sUkSma meM hone lagatA hai dhIre-dhIre / jo dekhate ho, jagat khuda, khuda ko nahIM dekha sakatA / koI bhI nahIM dekha sktaa| vahI dekhanA hai hameM ki ye caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM? mana kyA kara rahA hai? buddhi kyA kaha rahI hai? citta kyA kara rahA hai? ahaMkAra kyA kara rahA hai? aba vaha dekhanevAlA judA rahatA hai, haMDreDa parasenTa judA, bhale hI kaisA bhI moTA-moTA dekho yA patalA dekho lekina dekhanevAlA judA hai| praznakartA: zuruAta meM jo dekhane kI kriyA hotI thI aura abhI jo dekhate haiM, ina donoM dekhane kI kriyAoM meM pharka mahasUsa hotA hai| dAdAzrI : jaba karma ke udaya Ate haiM na, taba dhu~dhalA kara dete haiM sabakucha lekina Apa dekhanevAle to alaga ho, yaha bAta taya hai na! praznakartA : hA~, vaha taya hai| dAdAzrI : phira jo dhu~dhalA dikhatA hai to vaha karma ke udaya ke AdhAra para hai| usameM parezAna nahIM honA hai / praznakartA: aura jaba karma ke udaya kA prezara Ae, taba aisA lagatA hai ki hama jaise eka tarapha raha gae hoM /

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~, taba aisA lagatA hai jaise ghoTAlA ho gayA lekina aisA kucha hotA nahIM hai| 372 ekz2ekTa samajha jJAtA - dRSTA kI praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA kI bAta mujhe ekz2ekTa smjhaaie| jJAtA arthAt mana-buddhi ke AdhAra para aura dRSTA, vaha A~kha ke AdhAra para hai yA phira citta ke AdhAra para hai ? A~kha baMda ho taba dRSTA kaise rahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : mana meM jo vicAra Ate haiM na, ve sUkSma saMyoga haiN| unheM dekhanA hai| praznakartA : unheM kisa se dekhanA hai? mana se yA buddhi se? dAdAzrI : Apa jaba use dekhoge na taba vahA~ mana-buddhi nahIM hoMge, vahA~ para A~kheM bhI nahIM hoNgii| praznakartA : yahI ulajhana hai| patA hI nahIM calatA / dAdAzrI : ye mana- - buddhi se dekhate haiM na, vaha jJAtA-dRSTApanA nahIM khlaataa| Apa jaba aMdara sUkSma saMyogoM ko dekhate ho, mana ke saMyogoM ko, to vaha jJAtApana hai| yaha jJAtApana mana-buddhi ke AdhAra para nahIM hai, dRSTA A~kha ke AdhAra para nahIM hai, citta ke AdhAra para bhI nahIM hai / yaha prajJAzakti ke AdhAra para hai| praznakartA : A~kheM baMda raheM, taba bhI kyA dRSTApana rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : A~kheM baMda hoM yA khulI hoM, taba bhI rahatA hai| arthAt yaha saba jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai na, vaha jJAtA - dRSTApana nahIM kahalAtA / buddhi se jo samajha meM AtA hai, vaha jJAtA - dRSTApana nahIM khlaataa| aMdara prajJA se mana kI sthiti ko dekhatA hai, mana kyA-kyA soca rahA hai vaha saba dekhatA hai| praznakartA : hara eka ko jJAtA - dRSTApanA prApta ho sakatA hai ?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 373 dAdAzrI : vaha to, jaba jJAnIpuruSa pApa dho dete haiM usake bAda dikhane lagatA hai, nahIM to mana ke paryAya dekha hI nahIM sakatA na! agara bar3e-bar3e, moTe-moTe hoM to ve dikhAI dete haiM, anya kucha dekha hI nahIM sakatA hai na! vicAra Ae~ unheM dekho, ye saba jo vicAra Ate haiM unheM dekhate rahanA haiN| pUrI phAIla naM-1 kyA kara rahI hai, use dekhanA aura jAnanA, vahI jJAtA-dRSTApana hai| yaha bAhara kA to, ye sabhI loga bhI aisA kahate haiM ki 'hama jAnate haiN| yaha baMgalA dekhA aura jaanaa|' prajJA (isameM) bAhara kA nahIM jaantii| vaha indriya jJAna meM helpiMga nahIM hotii| praznakartA : AjJA meM rahane se helpa hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : AjJA meM rahe to sabhI kucha ho gayA, kampalITa ho gayA, yadi vaha AjJA meM rahA to! jJAtA nahIM indriyagamya re praznakartA : yaha jo jJAtA-dRSTA hai, use abhI hama indriya ke zrU dekha sakate haiM aura jAna sakate haiM na! dAdAzrI : nahIM, indriya zrU vAlA jJAna aisA nahIM hai| AtmA sabhI jJeyoM ko jAnatA hai| ye mana kI jo avasthAe~ haiM na unheM indriyA~ nahIM jAna sktiiN| unheM buddhi jAna sakatI hai lekina mana kI sabhI avasthAoM ko buddhi nahIM jAna sktii| aba mana kI jo avasthAe~ acchI lagatI haiM, unheM ajJAnI to kabhI bhI jAna hI nahIM sakatA lekina vaha apane jJAna ke pratApa se dikhAI detA hai, use jJeya kahate haiN| use indriya jJAna nahIM kaha sakate yA buddhijanya jJAna bhI nahIM kaha skte| buddhijanya jJAna ko indriyoM meM le gae haiM aura ina indriyoM se bhale hI hama indriya jJAna jAnate hoM lekina rAga-dveSa rahita jJAna ko atIndriya jJAna kahA gayA hai| jisameM rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, yoM indriyoM se dekhate haiM, jAnate haiM lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, vaha atIndriya jJAna hai| jabaki buddhijanya jJAna meM rAga-dveSa avazya rahate hI haiM agara rAga nahIM ho to dveSa rahatA hai, dveSa nahIM ho to rAga rahatA hai| aura agara ye donoM sthitiyA~ nahIM hoM to mUrchita hai| mUrchita avasthA hotI hai, bhAna nahIM rhtaa|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : AtmA khuda indriyoM kI sahAyatA ke binA dekha aura jAna sake, aisI sthiti kaba paidA hogI ? 374 dAdAzrI : abhI jAna sakatA hai| abhI mana ke jo manapasaMda viSaya haiM, una sabhI ko dekha sakatA hai| abhI citta kisa tarapha gayA, use dekha sakatA hai| mana ke viSaya kauna-kauna se haiM, una saba ko dekha sakatA hai| vahIM se yaha saba zurU ho gayA na! ArtadhyAna utpanna huA yA nahIM, raudradhyAna utpanna huA yA nahIM, vaha saba khuda ke jJAtA - jJeyapada meM Ane hI lagA hai| isa zreNI kI zuruAta kI hai, isIlie dinoMdina kramazaH bar3hatA hI jAtA hai / use bAhara ke loga nahIM dekha sakate / lekina jJAtA-dRSTA kA artha loga apanI-apanI bhASA meM samajhate haiN| aura kramika mArga meM sabhI loga jJAtA - dRSTA bana baiThe haiM ! mujha se kahate haiM, 'hama jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiN|' maiMne kahA, 'mujhe samajhAo to sahI ki Apa kisa taraha se jJAtA-dRSTA ho?' 'basa, dekhanA aura jAnanA, dekhanA aura jaannaa|' maiMne kahA, 'A~khoM ne dekhA, use dekhanA nahIM kahate aura buddhi se jAnA, use jAnanA nahIM kahate / ' to ve ulajhana meM par3a gae ki abhI taka kyA alaga thA? maiMne kahA, 'samyak darzana se dekhanA aura samyak jJAna se jAnanA, vaha hai dekhanA aura jAnanA / ' arthAt Apake aMdara manabuddhi kyA kara rahe haiM, una saba ko dekho - jAno, use darzana se dekhanA hai / vaha A~khoM se nahIM dikhtaa| arthAt darzana - jJAna Apa sabhI meM ho sakatA hai lekina bAhara (jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA hai) unameM to nahIM ho sktaa| ve to mana meM mAna baiThe haiM / indriyoM se dekhanA, vaha darzana nahIM hai, vaha to sApekSa darzana hai jabaki prajJA se dekhanA, vaha svabhAvika darzana hai| samyak darzana arthAt svAbhAvika darzana / oNphisa meM kursI-Tebala dekhatA rahatA hai tU? yaha bAhara kA sabakucha indriyajJAna se dikhatA hai / jAnate haiM, vaha bhI indriyajJAna se hai / aMdara jo hai, usakA jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai| vyavahAra meM jAnapanA to indriya jAnapanA kahalAtA hai| atIndriya jAnapane kI AvazyakatA hai / indriya jAnapanA hai, vaha saba nahIM clegaa|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 375 praznakartA : yaha indriya se jAnA aura atIndriya se jAnA, anubhava se ina donoM kA pharka kaise patA calegA? dAdAzrI : indriya ko jAnatA hai| jo indriyoM se jAnA huA hai, use bhI atIndriya jAnatA hai| ataH yaha jJeya hai| caMdUbhAI pUre hI jJeya haiN| caMdUbhAI kyA karate haiM, use jo jAneM vaha atIndriya jJAna kahalAtA hai| ataH apanA jJAna kyA kahatA hai ki Apa zuddhAtmA ho, ye caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, use Apako dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : usakA artha aisA huA ki ye caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, use maiM zuddhAtmA meM rahakara satata jJeya ke rUpa meM jAnatA rahU~, dekhatA rahU~ to vaha zuddha upayoga kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : bs| to alaga hI hai| phira bhale hI caMdUbhAI kucha bhI kara rahe hoM na lekina yadi dekhatA rahe aura jAnatA rahe aura sahI-galata bhAva nahIM kare, sirpha jAnatA hI rahe to harja nahIM hai| mukta hI hai| praznakartA : aba caMdabhAI jo karate haiM, vaha indriya se jo anubhava karate haiM, use atIndriya se dekhanA hai| dAdAzrI : usameM parezAnI nahIM hai na! kyA parezAnI hai? ye khAte samaya aMdara ekAkAra ho gayA hai, use bhI hameM jAnanA hai, bs| Aja khAte samaya ekAkara nahIM huA, use bhI hameM jAnanA hai| yaha to vijJAna hai| isameM yaha itanA sarala mArga hai lekina yadi samajha le to bilkula bhI muzkila nahIM hai! indriya jJAnapanA kaba kahalAtA hai ki caMdUbhAI banakara dekhe, tb| zuddhAtmA banakara caMdUbhAI ko dekhe to indriyajJAna nahIM khlaaegaa| praznakartA : lekina caMdUbhAI banakara dekhe..... dAdAzrI : vaha kAma hI nahIM AegA na! praznakartA : usakA patA kaise calegA?

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376 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha saba patA rahatA hI hai hmeshaa| use caMdUbhAI ke rUpa meM dekhatA hai na, usa sabhI kA hameM patA calatA hai ki caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiN| jaise auroM kI khabara jAnate haiM ki kyA kara rahA hai, usI taraha hama ye bhI jAnate haiM ki caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiN| kyoMki zuddhAtmA bilkula hI alaga karake de diyA hai ki sabakucha Apako patA cala hI jAtA hai| praznakartA : 'caMdUbhAI banakara caMdUbhAI ko dekhatA hai,' usakA udAharaNa dIjie to patA cle| dAdAzrI : caMdUbhAI-caMdUbhAI ko nahIM dekhate, zuddhAtmA caMdUbhAI ko dekhate haiN| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai lekina indriyajJAna se hama jAnate haiM, usakA udAharaNa diijie| dAdAzrI : yAnI ye saba kyA dekhate haiM, ye A~khoM se jo dekhate haiM vaha saba isa indriyajJAna se hI hai na, ye saba kAna se sunate haiM, jIbha se cakhate haiM, vaha sArA indriyajJAna hai| mana se, isa mana ko chaTThI indriya mAnA jAtA hai aura phira buddhi se, buddhi bhI vahI kI vahI hai| buddhi se jo kucha jAnatA hai, vaha sArA ajJAna hai| vaha saba jJeya meM AtA hai| aba buddhi ko ajJA kahate haiM aura zuddhAtmA use prajJA se jAnatA hai| ajJA ne jo kiyA hai, use prajJA jAne, vaha kahalAtA hai aMtimajJAna / kucha kie bagaira to rahegA hI nhiiN| aMdara hI aMdara, caMcalatA rahatI hI hai| use jAnatA hai ki khAte samaya hamane bekAra kI jida pakar3I hai ghara meM, aisA Apa jAnate ho na, to Apa mukt| jhakkI iMsAna mAra khAtA hai... jhakkI iMsAna tarachor3a lagAkara uTha jAtA hai aura jaba bhUkha lagatI hai na, to khuda ko hI parezAnI ! praznakartA : lekina jaba vyavahAra meM adhika vyasta ho jAte haiM, taba usa samaya aisA kahate haiM na ki 'jaise bIca meM basa jA rahI ho,' to usa samaya atIndriya se dekhane se kAma calatA hai yA nahIM calatA? dAdAzrI : kisa taraha dekhA jA sakatA hai lekina....bIca meM ar3acana A jAtI hai na?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 377 praznakartA : vaha to phira jaba taka yaha deha hai taba taka aisA saba to calatA hI rhegaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM aisA koI niyama nahIM hai| praznakartA : vyavahAra to rahegA hI na sArA.... dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai, vaha to dinoMdina kama hotA jAtA hai n| rAta par3e taba kitanI baseM AtI haiM phira? yAnI ki kama hotA jAtA hai! praznakartA : abhI to caMdUbhAI kI rAta to marane ke bAda par3egI na? dAdAzrI : vaha to, sabhI karmoM kA aMta A gyaa| isa hisAba kA hI aMta A gayA aura jabaki usameM to apanA jaba bharA huA mAla khAlI ho jAtA hai aura usake bAda nirmalatA rahatI hai| yAnI ki isI janma meM khAlI ho jaaegaa| kabhI na kabhI z2arA kama z2yAdA to hotA hai lekina naI AmadanI nahIM ho aura purAnI jA rahI ho to kyA kucha rahegA? nahIM, kucha bhI nahIM rhegaa| kucha samaya meM do-cAra sAloM meM saba khAlI ho jaaegaa| merA kabhI kA khAlI ho gayA hai na! maiM Apako aisA kahatA hU~ ki khAlI ho jaaegaa| ar3acana Ae, to usameM koI ghabarAne kA kAraNa nahIM hai| aMdara ulajhana khar3I ho rahI ho to 'merA nahIM hai' itanA kahate hI alaga ho jaaegaa| vaha saba caMdUbhAI kA hai| vaha to pakar3ane jAtA hai Apako! pahale kI Adata hai na, Adata hai na? isalie 'merA nahIM hai' kahate hI vaha chUTa jaaegaa| usameM vaha kyA pUchatA hai ki 'ApakI bAunDrI kA yA usa bAunDrI kA?' taba agara kaho ki 'hamArI nahIM hai|' to vaha chUTa jaaegaa| maiM to kitanA kaha pAU~gA? to yaha kahA huA likhoge to kaba aMta aaegaa| maiM to kahatA hI rhuuNgaa| praznakartA : Apa jo kucha kahate haiM, vaha saba likha liyA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : use likhatA rahegA to kaba aMta AegA? inakA bolanA baMda nahIM hogA aura ApakA likhanA baMda nahIM hogA....pUrI jiMdagI kyA likhate hI rahanA hai, he?

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378 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : hA~, phira kAma AegA na bAda meM sabhI ko...yahA~ to itane hI loga suna rahe haiM to bAkI ke saba jo raha gae haiM, unake lie hai yaha ! dAdAzrI : yaha jo likha rahe haiM, use jo jAnatA hai vaha AtmA hai| dhyAna se likha rahe haiM, bedhyAnI se likha rahe haiM, galatIvAlA likha rahe haiM, yaha saba vaha jAnatA hai| praznakartA : usakA jJAtA-dRSTA kauna rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : koI caMdUbhAI thor3e hI rahanevAle the? vahA~ para ahaMkAra thor3e hI rahanevAlA thA? jJAtA-dRSTA to prajJAzakti, jo mUla AtmA kI ejenTa hai, vaha rahatI hai! jo jAnatA hai vaha karatA nahIM hai, jo karatA hai vaha jAnatA nahIM karanevAle aura jAnanevAle meM pharka hai| yaha jAnanevAlA sabhI kucha jAnatA hai, karanevAlA sabhI kucha karatA hai! praznakartA : aura karanevAle ko ahaMkAra kahA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra alaga hai| apane meM karanevAlA DiscArja bhAga rahatA hai, ahaMkAra yAnI ki apanA ahaMkAra sacamuca kA ahaMkAra nahIM hai| isalie hama ise jAnanevAle rahate haiN| ataH jAnanevAlA judA hI hai| vaha sabakucha jAnatA hai| jAnanevAlA sabakucha jAnatA hai aura karanevAlA karatA hai| ina donoM kA vyApAra eka sAtha hotA hai, eka hI sAtha cAya pInevAlA cAya pItA hai aura jAnanevAAla jAnatA hai ki cAya kaisI thI! vaha kar3aka thI, mIThI thI yAnI jAnanevAlA usa samaya hAz2ira honA hI caahie| praznakartA : yaha jAnanevAlA to rahegA hI na dAdAjI? kyoMki vaha to bilkula alaga hI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, to yadi jAnanevAlA rahatA hai, taba vaha saba lepsa ho

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 379 jAtA hai, khatma ho jAtA hai| yadi use jAnA to vahavAlA pUrA bhAga calA jAtA hai| praznakartA : calA gayA kA matalaba kyA? dAdAzrI : karanevAle ne kriyA kI aura jAnanevAle ne jAnI, to ve sabhI kriyAe~ khatma ho jAtI hai| karanevAlA aura jAnanevAlA donoM eka sarIkhA nahIM jaante| karanevAlA bahuta hI kama jAnatA hai aura jAnanevAlA usake sabhI guNa aura paryAya sahita jAnatA hai| karanevAlA mUrchita hotA hai isIlie z2arA sA hI jAna sakatA hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyA,' basa itanA hI, aura kucha bhI nhiiN| jabaki jAnanevAlA sabhI kucha jAnatA hai guNa-paryAya shit| praznakartA : karanevAlA jAnatA nahIM aura jAnanevAlA karatA nhiiN| Apane kahA na ki 'vaha karanevAlA jarA kama jAnatA hai, vaha z2arA samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : karanevAlA jAnatA nahIM hai lekina itanA hI jAnatA hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyaa|' zabda rUpa se itanA hI jAnatA hai, bs| aura kucha nahIM jAnatA aura jAnanevAlA sabhI taraha se jAnatA hai kyoMki usameM dUsare bhAva utpanna nahIM hote| karanevAle meM rAga-dveSa rUpI bhAva utpanna hote haiM, ajJAnI meN| apane yahA~ para alaga hI cIz2a calatI hai| apane yahA~ para to karanevAlA rahA hI nahIM na! yaha to jo kucha bhI hotA hai vaha DiscArja bhAva se hotA hai| karanevAlA rahA hI nahIM na isalie bIja nahIM par3atA na! praznakartA : krodha Ae aura agara hama use jAneM to turaMta hI krodha khatma ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, isase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| karanevAlA alaga hai aura jAnanevAlA alaga hai| hama jAnanevAle ke rUpa meM rahate haiN| krodha to hameM pasaMda nahIM hai, isalie hama usake abhiprAya se alaga hI haiN| alaga haiM, isalie hameM lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : kabhI-kabhI krodha A jAtA hai|

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380 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : to bhale hI Ae, agara Ae to usase hameM kyA?! kisI ko duHkha ho jAe to hameM caMdUbhAI se kahanA hai ki 'bhAI, pratikramaNa kr|' tujhe karanevAle aura jAnanevAle ke bAre meM samajha meM AtA hai? usakA jJAna rAga-dveSavAlA hai aura yaha vItarAga hai| use bhI jJAna to hai hI, karanevAle ko bhI rAga-dveSavAlA jJAna hai| cAya pInevAlA vyakti kyA yaha nahIM jAnatA ki vaha cAya pI rahA hai? praznakartA : jAnatA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina rAga-dveSavAlA hai| usake guNadharma meM calA jAtA hai phira ki phIkI hai yA mIThI hai| praznakartA : to phira yaha jo kucha bhI kara rahA hai, vaha alaga hai| dAdAzrI : alaga hai aura jyAdAtara to vaha hameM acchA hI nahIM lagatA, to hama usa abhiprAya se bhI usase alaga haiN| praznakartA : arthAt mUlataH to karanevAlA jo koI bhI hai, vaha ahaMkAra hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vahI thA, jo kartA thA, vaha yahI hai| yaha to jJAna lene se pahale jo thA, vahI yaha hai| jise hama mAnate the ki 'yaha maiM hI hU~,' yaha vahI hai| aura jo judA ho gae, ve hm| jJAna hone ke bAda se hI judA hue haiM, pahale nahIM the| praznakartA : pahale hama usake sAtha meM hI the| dAdAzrI : sAtha meM hI the, eka hI the| praznakartA : aba sirpha hama aMdara alaga ho gae haiM, bAkI, karanevAlA to hai hii| dAdAzrI : hA~, hai hii| vaha to vahI kA vahI hai|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 381 praznakartA : vaha sabhI kucha kara rahA hai, krodha kara rahA hai, soca rahA hai.... dAdAzrI : vahI hai jo kara rahA hai apane Apa, usameM aura koI badalAva nahIM aataa| vaha karatA hI rahatA hai lekina jAnanevAlA alaga hai| sAkSI ke rUpa meM kauna? praznakartA : sAkSI, dRSTA, paramAnaMda bhAva.... dAdAzrI : sAkSI dRSTA nahIM ho sktaa| sAkSI ahaMkAra hotA hai aura dRSTA AtmA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA AtmA kA svabhAva hai aura jaba taka Atma svabhAva meM nahIM A jaate| taba taka sAkSIbhAva hai| jaba taka ahaMkAra rahe, taba taka sAkSIbhAva hai| sAkSIbhAva kA matalaba khuda kI kriyAoM ke prati khuda hI sAkSI ke rUpa meM rahe ki itane doSa hue the| aura sAkSIbhAva vaha eka ahaMkArI kAma hai| jabaki jJAtA-dRSTA phula (pUrNa) samAdhi kA mArga hai| praznakartA : sAkSI aura dRSTA ke bIca tAtvika pharka kyA hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| pUrA jagat sAkSI meM hI par3A huA hai| ye sAdhu-AcArya vagairaha sbhii| usase ahaMkAra vaise kA vaisA khar3A rhaa| sAkSI arthAt ahNkaar| ahaMkAra ke binA sAkSIbhAva nahIM ho sakatA, jabaki AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA hotA hai| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka sAkSI aura ahaMkAra khatma ho jAe, usake bAda dRssttaa| praznakartA : to kyA Arta aura raudra sAkSIbhAva ke sAtha jur3A huA dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| sAkSIbhAva se lenA-denA hai hI nhiiN| sAkSIbhAva kA matalaba to hamAre aMdara moha jitanA kama hotA hai, utanA hI sAkSIbhAva raha sakatA hai| bAkI, agara moha rahe na to usameM vaha kisa taraha sAkSI raha pAegA? moha kA nazA car3hA huA ho to phira sAkSIbhAva kisa taraha raha

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382 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) sakegA? thor3A nazA utare, taba z2arA sAkSIbhAva raha sakatA hai| jaise ki zarAba kA nazA kucha utare, taba hoza AtA hai ki 'ohoho, Aja to mujhe bahuta car3ha gaI hai|' usI prakAra yaha moha kA nazA car3hA huA hai| pUrI duniyA moha ke naze meM ghUma rahI hai aura mAnatI hai ki 'maiM kucha dharma kara rahA huuN|' are, kaisA dharma? yaha to karma kara rahA hai| dharma to use kahate haiM ki cAroM tarapha se sugaMdhI phaile aura dUsarA dharma hai, Atma dhrm| vaha mukti dilavAtA hai| isa dharma ko dharma kaheMge hI kaise? hara eka cIz2a apane svabhAva meM hotI hai| AiskrIma yadi kar3avI lage to koI khAegA kyA? eka hI dina kar3avI lage to phira se jAegA kyA? praznakartA : nahIM jAegA dAdAjI, koI nahIM jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : usI prakAra agara dharma hI aisA phala de rahA ho....pUre dina nazA car3hA rahe to use sAkSIbhAva kaise raha pAegA? kisI kA z2arA nazA utare, taba sAkSIbhAva rahatA hai kucha dera ke lie jabaki jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva to niraMtara rahatA hai| sAkSIbhAva to ahaMkAra kI eka prakAra kI jAgRti hai aura dRSTA, vaha AtmA kI jAgRti hai| vaha prajJA kahalAtI hai| prajJA kI jAgRti kahalAtI hai| taba banatA hai AtmA jJAtA praznakartA : caMdUbhAI ko Apa jJeya kahate haiM, to phira kyA vaha jJAtA nahIM bana sakatA, aisA kaha rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : jJeya jJAtA kaba banatA hai ki jaba jJAnIpuruSa usakA khuda kA bhAna karavA deN| usake bAda vaha jJeya bhAga meM se mukta ho jAtA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha to sirpha roMga bilIpha hai kyoMki use jJeya kyoM kahA gayA hai ki khuda jisa jJAna ko jAnatA hai, vaha buddhijanya jJAna hai| arthAt vaha jJeya hai, jaba taka vaha khuda jJeya ko jAnatA hai taba taka saMsAra vyavahAra calatA rahatA hai| isa jJeya ko bhI yadi 'khuda' jAne, taba vaha jJAtA hai| bhagavAna ne jAnane kI cIz2oM ko jJeya kahA hai| use aisA kahA hai ki, 'Aja jise hama jJAtA mAna baiThe haiM, use jaba jJeya ke svarUpa meM samajheMge to

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka Apa jJAtA bana jaaeNge| bhagavAna kA aisA kahanA hai ki jise abhI taka Apa 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ aura maiM jJAtA hU~' aisA jAnapanA mAna liyA hai, use jaba jJeya ke rUpa meM samajheMge, taba Apa vAstava meM jJAtA bana jaaoge| 383 bhagavAna vItarAga the, aura vItarAgI bAta hai isIlie bilkula sApha bAta kahI thii| dIye jaisI ! phira zabdoM kA krama alaga-alaga prakAra kA ho sakatA hai, lekina bAta eka hI hai ! jJeya ke prakAra haiM do praznakartA : AptasUtra 4226 meM likhA hai ki 'do prakAra ke jJeya haiM, eka avasthA rUpI haiM aura eka tatva rUpI jJeya haiM / tatva svarUpa ke bAre meM abhI Apako samajha meM nahIM AegA / (1) jJAtAbhAva jJeyabhAva se dikhAI de taba khuda ke svabhAva meM samAviSTa hotA hai / (2) jJeya meM jo mamatva thA, vaha chUTa gayA aura jaise-jaise jJeya ko jJeya ke rUpa meM dekhe, vaise-vaise Atma puSTi hotI jAtI hai|' yaha samajhAie / dAdAzrI : do prakAra ke jJeya haiN| eka avasthA svarUpa se haiM aura eka jJeya tatva svarUpa se haiM / avasthA svarUpa se sabhI vinAzI hote haiM, tatva svarUpa se avanAzI hote haiM / jJAtAbhAva ajJAnI ke lie likhA gayA hai| ajJAnI vyakti meM 'maiM' hI jJAtAbhAva hai| jo yaha kahatA hai ki maiM jAnatA hU~, vaha yadi jJeya ke rUpa meM dikhAI de, taba vaha khuda ke svabhAva meM samAviSTa hogaa| apane sabhI mahAtmAoM ko jJeyabhAva se dikhAI detA hai| pahale caMdUbhAI dekhate the aura aba caMdUbhAI jJeya bana gae aura Apa jJAtA bana ge| pahale Apa hI caMdUbhAI aura Apa hI jJAtA the| jJeyabhAva se jJAtAbhAva dikhAI de, taba khuda ke svabhAva meM samAveza hotA hai| arthAt svabhAva meM A ge| phira jJeya meM jo mamatvapanA thA, vaha chUTa gayA / jaise-jaise jJeya ko jJeya ke rUpa meM dekheM vaise-vaise AtmapuSTi hotI hai| 'maiM' aura 'merA' jo thA vaha chUTa gyaa| aba isa jJeya ko jJeya ke rUpa meM hI dikhAI detA hai / arthAt isa pudgala ko dekhate rahanA hai tAki Atma puSTi hotI rahe /

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384 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : phira AptasUtra 4227 meM dAdA kahate haiM ki "jaba se hama jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha meM Ae, taba se jJeya zuddha hote hI jAte haiN| jisa jJeya kA nikAla ho gayA, vaha vApasa nahIM AegA kyoMki zuddha hokara unakA nikAla ho gyaa| isalie ve aba tatva rUpI ho gae !" yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : hama jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha meM Ae, tabhI se jJeya zuddha hote hI jAte haiN| hama jJAtA-jJeya meM arthAt Apa jJAtA aura caMdUbhAI jnyey| aba jaba se jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha meM Ae, tabhI se jJeya arthAt caMdUbhAI arthAt pudgala zuddha hote hI jAte haiM / ve zuddha hokara cale jAte haiM apane Apa hI aura hameM zuddha kara jAte haiM, mukta karate haiN| ___'jisa jJeya kA nikAla ho gayA, vaha phira se nahIM aaegaa|' ajJAna se bA~dhe hue karmoM kA jJAna se nikAla kiyA, ve vApasa nahIM Ae~ge kyoMki zuddha hokara unakA nikAla ho gyaa| zuddha hokara arthAt tatva svarUpa ho ge| praznakartA : phira AptasUtra 4226 meM kahate haiM ki "jaba yaha AtmA tatva svarUpa dikhegA, taba bAkI ke sabhI tatva bhI dikhAI deNge| vAstavika jJeya tatva svarUpa haiM aura tatva svarUpa jJeya 'kevalajJAna' ke binA nahIM dikha skte| lekina zraddhA meM A gayA to kevalajJAna meM AegA hii| jJAtAbhAva nikala gayA arthAt eksTrekTa nikala gyaa|" vaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : tatva svarUpI jJeya kevalajJAna ke binA nahIM dekhA jA sktaa| usI ko kevalajJAna kahate haiM na! lekina zraddhA meM A jAe taba kevalajJAna meM AtA hai| pahale zraddhA meM AtA hai| praznakartA : lekina tatva svarUpa jJeya kyA kahalAte haiM? dAdAzrI : tatva svarUpa se jJeya arthAt ye chaH tatva haiM na! inheM jo jAnanA hai, vaha jJeya ke rUpa meM jAnanA hai, to vaha kevalajJAna ke binA nahIM dikhAI de sktaa| praznakartA : chaH ke chaH tatva? dAdAzrI : haaN| ye jo chaH tatva haiM, ve avinAzI haiN| tatva sabhI

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka avinAzI hI hote haiM / ve kevalajJAna ke binA nahIM dekhe jA sakate lekina ve cha: tatva zraddhA meM A jAte haiM isalie phira kevalajJAna meM Ate hI haiN| pahale darzana meM Ate haiM, usake bAda jJAna meM Ate haiM, phira dhIre-dhIre vartana meM Ate haiN| 385 jJAtAbhAva nikala gayA isalie isa deha meM se eksaTrekTa nikala gyaa| 'maiM' jJAtAbhAva thA, vaha jJAtAbhAva nikala gayA / isalie eksaTrekTa pUrA calA gayA, phira nirjIva bAkI bcaa| riyala, jJeya yA jJAtA ? praznakartA : maiM jJAtA aura caMdUbhAI jJeya hai, usI prakAra yahA~ para baiThe hue sabhI mahAtmA mere lie jJeya haiN| prazna yaha hai ki usameM maiM dekhatA hU~ 'rileTiva aura riyala,' to mere lie donoM, rileTiva aura riyala jJeya mAne jAe~ge? jo riyala hai vaha bhI jJeya hai ? riyala, riyala ko dekhe to vaha jJeya kaise ho sakatA hai? mujhe jo anubhava ho rahA hai, yaha prazna usakI spaSTatA ke lie hai| sAmanevAle kA jo rileTiva svarUpa hai, vaha pUrA jJeya hai| aba khuda kA riyala jJAtA hai, to usI prakAra dUsare ke riyala ko jJeya kahA jAegA yA jJAtA kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : jJAtA kahA jaaegaa| riyala jJeya ke rUpa meM nahIM hotA / riyala jJeya ke rUpa meM kaba ho sakatA hai? jo hamezA ke lie rileTiva haiM, unake lie| jinameM riyala aura rileTiva kA vibhAjana nahIM huA hai, unake lie 'riyala' jJeya hai| praznakartA : yAnI mahAtmAoM meM vibhAjana ho gayA hai, isalie una logoM ke lie jJeya nahIM hai| I dAdAzrI : kramika mArga ke jJAnI ke lie vaha jJeya kahalAtA hai / ve dUsare AtmA ko jJeya kahate haiM, phira unake bhakta to kaheMge hii| isameM nayA kyA hai? to phira dUsaroM ke lie jhaMjhaTa hI miTa jAegA na? kyoMki unake

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386 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) pAsa riyala-rileTiva haiM hI nhiiN| isalie jhaMjhaTa ho jAtA hai na? kramika mArga meM cAhe koI bhI jJAnI ho, unake lie AtmA jJeya hai, to phira dUsare kA kyA rahA? praznakartA : arthAt maiM niraMtara apane Apa ko arthAt caMdUbhAI ko dekhatA rahatA hU~, usI prakAra dUsaroM ko bhI dekhU kyoMki aisA anubhava hai ki jaise mujha meM caMdUbhAI samAyA huA hai, usI prakAra ye saba loga bhI samAe hue haiN| taba yaha prazna khar3A huA ki yaha rileTiva bhI hai lekina isameM riyala bhI hai| to use kyA samajhanA cAhie? usake riyala aura mere riyala ke bIca kisa prakAra mela baiThegA? vaha yadi jJeya ho to prazna hI utpanna nahIM hotA lekina yadi jJeya nahIM hai to vaha jJAtA hogA aura maiM bhI jJAtA hU~ to merA aura usakA donoM kA mela kisa taraha se hai? mela kisa taraha baiThegA? dAdAzrI : riyala hai hI nhiiN| tIrthaMkara, kevalI aura akrama jJAnI ke phaoNloarsa ke alAvA riyala zabda kisI bhI jagaha para likhA hI nahIM jA sktaa| ho nahIM sakatA aura mAnA bhI nahIM jA sktaa| praznakartA : isIlie yaha prazna utpanna hotA hai ki sAmanevAle ke riyala svarUpa kA khuda ke riyala svarUpa ke sAtha kyA saMbaMdha hai? use jJeya kI taraha mAneM yA phira eka svabhAvI jJAtA kahalAe~ge? dAdAzrI : hama saba jJAtA haiM, jJeya nahIM kaha skte| eka kAgaz2a para jJeya kA artha likhakara lAnA caahie| usake bAda khuda ko samajha meM A jAegA na phira, jaba spaSTatA kreNge| Apa jJAtA ho aura ye saba jJeya haiM lekina jJeya kauna sA? rilettiv| rileTiva ko bhI dekhanA aura aMdara riyala ko bhI dekhanA kyoMki sabhI AtmA riyala haiM aura bAharavAlA bhAga rileTiva hai| Apake lie bAhara kA bhAga jJeya hai aura aMdara kA bhAga jJAtA hai| vaha hama Apako pahalI bAra meM hI samajhA dete haiN| praznakartA : hA~, jJAna dete haiM usI din| dAdAzrI : aba aisA jJAna kahIM aura ho hI nahIM sktaa| kisI bhI

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 387 jagaha para ho hI nahIM sktaa| tIna gA~The bA~dhI haiM to ve tInoM chor3anI par3eMgI aura do bA~dhI hoMgI to do chor3anI pdd'eNgii| maiM eka chor3a dU~ to calegA? praznakartA : nahIM, sabhI chor3anI pdd'eNgii| dAdAzrI : yaha to, sirpha akrama jJAnI aura sirpha mahAtmAoM ke lie hI ye sabhI jJeya haiM, varnA jo dekhanevAlA hai na, use jJeya kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? praznakartA : jJeya kA matalaba hI yaha hai ki jise jJAtA dekhatA hai aura jAnatA hai| dAdAzrI : anya loga to aisA hI kaheMge ki yahI dekhanevAlA hai na? use jJeya kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? dekhanevAlA hai na aMdara, ajJAna dazA meM to Amane-sAmane aisA hI kaheMge na? praznakartA : hA~, usI taraha bAta karate haiN| mujhe kyA samajhanA hai? hameM jo samajhanA hai usakI bAta hai, dUsaroM ke lie nahIM hai| ajJAniyoM kI bAta nahIM hai yh| mujhe khuda ke lie pUchanA hai ki maiM kyA samajhU jJeya hai yA jJAtA? dAdAzrI : hA~, sAmane jo kucha dekhate aura jAnate haiM, ve sabhI jJeya nahIM haiN| unameM jo rileTiva hai vaha jJeya hai aura jo riyala hai, vaha jJAtA hai| praznakartA : to kyA isakA artha aisA huA ki jJAtA, jJAtA ko dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hI artha huA sApha-sApha, dIe jaisA, phekTa!!! hama pahalI aura dUsarI AjJA meM sApha-sApha kaha hI dete haiM na ki 'aba tU zuddhAtmA bana gayA hai| dUsaroM ko zuddhAtmA dekh|' jJAtA ko jJAtA nahIM dekheM to hiMsA ho jAtI hai| anya loga jo haiM ve hiMsAvAle haiN| jJeya kA matalaba kyA hai? jAnane yogya vstu| ataH kramika mArga meM AtmA jAnane yogya vastu hai aura Apake lie AtmA jAnI huI vastu hai| Apako aba jJeya ko jAnanA hai| jJAtA ko Apa jAnakara baiThe ho| jabaki una logoM ke lie abhI jJAtA hI jJeya hai| vaha jJeya jaba jJAtA bana

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388 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) jAegA, usake bAda phira yaha jJeya bnegaa| nikAla karanA hai, utanA bhI patA nahIM hogaa|' aba jo jJeya hai, vaha jJAtA nahIM banA hai, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? to vaha hai, jise tyAga karanA par3atA hai, jisake lie aisA saba hai ki aise karanA cAhie aura aise karanA cAhie,' ve saba AtmA ko jJeya kahate haiN| khuda ne (AtmA ko) jAnA nahIM hai, isalie yaha tyAga kA rastA ddhuuNddhaa| praznakartA : jinhoMne AtmA ko nahIM jAnA hai, unake lie AtmA jJeya hai| dAdAzrI : unheM jo samyak darzana huA hai, to usase kucha bhAga jAnA hai AtmA kaa| unhoMne sarvasva prakAra se AtmA ko nahIM jAnA hai| ye kramika mArga ke jJAnI AtmA ko sarvasva prakAra se aMtima avatAra meM jAna pAte haiN| taba taka aMhakAra saMpUrNarUpa se nahIM jaataa| aura ahaMkAra kI hAz2irI meM vaha jJAtA nahIM kahalA sktaa| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kI hAz2irI meM jJAtA nahIM kahalA sakatA, yaha aba samajha meM A rahA hai| yaha sArA aba seTa ho gayA hai| dAdAzrI : tIna gA~ThavAlA lAo ki merA seTa nahIM huA hai, to mujhe tInoM gA~The chor3anI pdd'eNgii| nahIM chor3anI par3eMgI? praznakartA : chor3anI par3eMgI daadaa| dAdAzrI : jabaki sabhI loga kyA kahate haiM ki eka hI zabda meM sabakucha pUrA kara dete the na! una logoM ne eka hI gA~Tha bA~dhI thii| jisane tIna bA~dhI huI hoM to vaha jaba tInoM chor3a degA tabhI use pUrA saMtoSa hogA na? kitanI gA~TheM bA~dhI haiM usakA use patA calatA hai| aba nahIM bA~dhanI haiM, lekina jo bA~dhI huI haiM ve kitanI haiM, aba use hama jAnate haiN| jAnanevAlA nirdoSa hai sadA praznakartA : apane aMdara jo kucha bhI cala rahA ho koI bhI vicAra, vANI yA jo kucha bhI Ae, use hama jAnate haiM lekina use doSa kyoM kahA jAtA hai?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka dAdAzrI : jAnanevAle ke lie doSa nahIM hai / hama doSa kise kahate haiM? pUre dina jo vyavahAra calatA rahatA hai, usa vyavahAra ko hama doSa nahIM khte| 389 praznakartA : maiM to kyA kahatA hU~ ki eka-eka sUkSma se sUkSma vicAra Ae, use bhI hamane jAnA.... dAdAzrI : hA~, yadi Apa jAnanevAle ho to jAnanevAle kA doSa nahIM hai yh| praznakartA : lekina maiM to kahatA hU~ ki una vicAroM kA bhI doSa kaise kahA jAegA? haiM, dAdAzrI : jAnanevAle kA doSa nahIM hai lekina caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe use khuda jAne to usa kramaNa meM harja nahIM hai lekina caMdUbhAI kisI ko DA~Ta rahe hoM, 'use' dekhe to vaha kyA kahatA hai ki 'yaha ApakA doSa hai / ' khuda caMdUbhAI se kahegA ki 'yaha ApakA doSa hai, aisA nahIM honA caahie|' praznakartA : lekina jaba hama jJAyaka hI raheM, caMdUbhAI ke bhI jJAyaka raheM to kisI bhI cIz2a meM doSa yA acchAI hai hI nahIM / dAdAzrI : hai nahIM, lekina merA kahanA hai ki yaha akrama hai na, isalie sirpha zubha hI nahIM hotA na ! praznakartA : lekina zubha-azubha kA prazna hI kahA~ AyA? dAdAzrI : merA kahanA hai ki jo mAla dekhanA hai, yadi vaha sArA zubha hI ho to usameM harja nahIM lekina kyoMki akrama hai isalie azubha mAla bhI bharA huA hai| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai dAdAjI / maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki azubha aura zubha sabakucha bharA hai, kacarA bharA hai lekina yadi hama jJAyaka hI haiM to jo AnA ho vaha Ae, usakA vibhAjana karane kA prazna hI kahA~ AtA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha virodhAbhAsa laga sakatA hai lekina zubha-azubha sabhI

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kucha jJeya haiM aisI jAgRti rakhanA bahuta muzkila cIz2a hai / isalie logoM ko kyA kahA hai ki caMdUbhAI agara sAmanevAle ko gAlI detA hai to tujhe caMdUbhAI se kahanA cAhie ki 'atikramaNa kyoM kiyA? tU pratikramaNa kara / ' aMza meM se sarvAMza jJAnIpada 390 praznakartA : aba buddhi eka cIz2a meM DisIz2ana nahIM detI, ahaMkAra nahIM hai to visarjana hai| jabaki Apane dUsarI bAta kahI ki mana paimphaleTa dikhAtA hai, citta bhaTakatA hai, buddhi DisIz2ana detI hai, ahaMkAra hastAkSara karatA hai, yaha saba jo cala rahA hotA hai, use agara 'jAne' to baMdhana nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, agara jAne tabhI use baMdhana nahIM hai| ise jAnanevAlA alaga rahanA cAhie, tabhI vaha baMdhana meM nahIM hai / jAnakAra rahA, jJAtA rahA to phira sabakucha gayA ! lekina vaha hamezA ke lie jJAtA nahIM raha pAtA na ! aisA hai na ki yaha saMpUrNa jJAnIpada aura aMza jJAnIpada, donoM hI haiM na ! to eka tarapha jJAtApada bhI hotA hai aura eka tarapha thor3A bahuta vaha bhI calatA rahatA hai / sarvAMza hone taka donoM calatA rahatA hai| sarvAMza hone taka ekadama se nahIM ho sakatA / jJAtApada hamezA ke lie nahIM raha paataa| thor3e samaya ke lie, kucha samaya taka rahatA hai aura vApasa vaise kA vaisA hI, aise karate-karate sarvAMza hotA jAtA hai / kyoMki pichale dhakke lagate rahate haiM na ! eka maMz2ila car3hanI ho aura hama kaheM ki ekaeka sIr3hI car3ha gae to isakA matalaba yaha nahIM ki Upara taka pahu~ca ge| jitanI sIr3hiyA~ car3he utane Upara pahu~ce / praznakartA : hA~, lekina sarvAMza kauna banatA hai ? dAdAzrI : sarvAMza to khuda hai hii| praznakartA : hai hI aura jo nahIM hai, vaha hotA jA rahA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jo nahIM hai, vaha hotA jA rahA hai| praznakartA : to vaha apane Apa hI ho rahA hai?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 391 dAdAzrI : apane Apa hI ho rahA hai| praznakartA : jabaki ye loga kyA kahate haiM ki use karanA par3atA hai / dAdAzrI : karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai / karanevAlA kauna hai phira vApasa? vaha to apane Apa hI hotA jA rahA hai| isameM mukhya cIz2a to jo dRSTi dI hai, vaha hai, jo jJAna dete haiM, usakI z2arUrata hai / vaha mukhya cIz2a hai| ajJAna pradAna huA hai, isalie use jJAna kI z2arUrata par3atI hai| mahAtmAoM kA DiscArja anokhA praznakartA : manuSya mana- na-buddhi- citta, ahaMkAra, vANI-kAyA vagairaha kI sabhI baiTeriyA~ pichale janma se cArja karake lAe hote haiM / abhI unakA DiscArja hI ho rahA hai, rAiTa? aba jo buddhi lekara AyA hai vaha usI anusAra clegii| kyA usameM koI badalAva kiyA jA sakatA hai? yaha jJAna milane ke bAda usameM koI pharka AtA hai? dAdAzrI : dekhane se badalAva A hI jAtA hai, saMkucita ho jAtI hai| cIz2a vahI kI vahI rahatI hai, lekina saMkucita ho jAtI hai| dekhane se saba badala jAtA hai| vaha eka ratala bhI ratala nahIM rahatA / lekina agara dekhe nahIM aura Upara se kartA bane to pA~ca ratala ho jAtA hai| praznakartA: dekhane se buddhi, agara eka ratala kI ho to saMkucita hokara kama ho jAtI hai / aura yadi use prajvalita kiyA (havA dI) jAe to pA~ca ratala ho jAtI hai| I arthAt isakA artha yaha huA na ki jitanA cArja ho cukA hai, usakA utanA hI DiscArja hogA, aisA kucha nahIM hai / isameM to badalAva hotA hai aura kama hotA hai yA bar3ha bhI sakatA hai / cArja ke anusAra hI DiscArja hotA hai, aisA nahIM rahA na? to kyA aisA hotA hai ki saMkucita hone para kama ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : kama ho jAtA hai sabakucha | khatma ho jAtA hai saba / bahuta sArA barapha rakhA huA ho phira bhI khatma ho jAtA hai / khatma nahIM huA hotA

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392 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) to vRttiyA~ abhI Apako zAMti se baiThane hI nahIM detiiN| ApakI jo bharI huI vRttiyA~ haiM na, ve Apako abhI zAMti se baiThane hI na deN| idhara-udhara hotA hI rahatA hai| gAr3I meM baiThA ho taba bhI idhara-udhara hotA rahatA hai| praznakartA : yAnI isakA artha aisA huA ki isa jJAna se yA khuda ke puruSArtha se iMsAna apane prArabdha ko badala sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : badalAva ho hI jAtA hai na! praznakartA : badalAva ho jAtA hai, isakA matalaba aisA huA ki karma kI thyorI meM badalAva kiyA jA sakatA hai, use palaTA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai, usameM isa taraha kA badalAva nahIM kahA jaataa| praznakartA : to use kyA kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha eka ratala kA thA, vaha dRSTi badalane se z2arA kama ho jAtA hai aura bAharI dRSTi se pA~ca ratala kA ho jAtA hai| kartA banatA hai islie| jJAtA bane to kama ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : aura kaI bAra to dekhane se calA bhI jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : calA hI jAtA hai| pUrI taraha se calA jAtA hai| choTA sA signecara karate haiM na, vaisA ho jAtA hai| choTA sA signecara kareM to kAma ho jAtA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA rahane se khatma bhI ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : usake bAda kucha rahatA hI nhiiN| sirpha sIna-sInarI dikhAI detI haiM, utanA hI rahatA hai j'raa| agara rahatA to bojha lgtaa| jJAtA-dRSTA rahane para kucha bhI bAkI nahIM bctaa| jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM raheM taba z2arA bojha lagatA hai|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 393 praznakartA : vaha jo bAta thI na ki dekhane se buddhi yA aMta:karaNa jo kucha bhI hotA hai, vaha sera meM se pAva sera ho jAtA hai, yadi jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to| lekina agara usakI saMbhAla kare (rakSaNa kare) to sera meM se pA~ca sera bhI ho sakatA hai| to isakA artha aisA huA ki agara DiscArja meM apanA sera ho aura agara hama use saMbhAlakara rakheM to vaha bar3ha jAegA na? to cArja-DiscArja kA prinsipala meM badalAva ho gayA? dAdAzrI : vaha bar3hatA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to phira kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : bojha lagatA hai| bar3ha jAtA hai, use ApakI bhASA meM samajha jAte ho aap| usakA bojha lagatA hai jabaki dekhane se halkA ho jAtA hai, bs| bar3hatA-var3hatA kucha bhI nahIM hai DiscArja arthAt jo jAne ke lie AyA hai| bojha bar3hegA to bhI vaha jAegA aura halkA ho jAegA to bhI jaaegaa| bahuta bojha rahe to bAkI raha jAtA hai dekhe bgair| phira vaha thor3A bahuta raha jaaegaa| bAda meM usakA niber3A lAnA pdd'egaa| DiscArja arthAt jo jAne ke lie AyA hai| maile kapar3e dhone ke lie Ae~ to unameM se agara kucha dhoe bagaira raha jAe~ to ve phira se dhone pdd'eNge| basa itanA hI hai yaha sb| aura phira hama kapar3e dhone ke bAda vApasa kapar3e dhone jAte haiN| yaha mailA raha gayA, yaha sApha ho gyaa| aisA saba karane jAe~ to jyAdA raha jAtA hai| jo dhula jAte haiM, ve bilkula kampalITa hI haiN| praznakartA : jo dhula gae, ve dhula gae! dAdAzrI : jo dhoye bagaira raha gae, utane dhone bAkI bce| dekhane para abhI taka meM eka bhI karma nahIM bNdhegaa| varnA aura kahIM to eka sau paMdraha logoM kI yAtrA meM kitanA jhaMjhaTa ho jAtA hai ! ina logoM kA rivAz2a aisA hai, isakA aisA hai aura isakA yaha kharAba hai, usakA vaha kharAba hai ! eka vyakti kahe, 'nahIM, acchA hai' aura eka kahatA hai, 'kharAba hai|' aMdara-aMdara jhikajhika, sIdhe hI nahIM rahate na! aura apane yahA~ yAtrA meM eka sau paMdraha loga the, phira bhI koI jhikajhika nahIM huii| tIna haz2Ara loga hoMge taba bhI

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394 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) apane yahA~ kucha nahIM hogaa| kitanI acchI cAbI hai, logoM ke mana baMdhe rahate haiN| praznakartA : Apa jo kahate haiM na ki jJAna milane ke bAda karma kama ho jAte haiM, to Apa jaba jJAna dete haiM, taba hamAre karma bhasmIbhUta kara dete haiM, isIlie hamAre karma kama ho jAte haiM na? isIlie kama ho gayA hai na? dAdAzrI : karma bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiN| phira jo bhasmIbhUta nahIM hue the, ve jJAtA-dRSTA rahane se cale jaaeNge| isake bAvajUda bhI kucha karma jo bahuta gAr3ha hote haiM, ve raha jAte haiN| thor3I bahuta pU~jI agale janma ke lie raha jAtI hai| vaha peTI meM raha jAtI hai na, isIlie peTI bikAU hotI hai| isIlie loga le lete haiM na! praznakartA : yaha saba ThIka se samajha meM A gayA lekina Apa jo kahate haiM na ki jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM rahane se vaha bar3ha jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : bojha bar3ha jAtA hai na! ulajhatA rahatA hai bhaaii| phira jaba usakA TAima AtA hai, taba sArI ulajhaneM calI jAtI hai| phira dhonA bAkI rhaa| TAima hone para ulajhaneM gae bagaira cArA hI nahIM hai| hara eka ke TAimiMga hote haiN| saMyogoM ko viyogI honA hI par3atA hai| praznakartA : kyA khuda kI ulTI samajha kI vajaha se bAkI raha jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : samajha to sArI aqlavAlI hai lekina ye karma bahuta gAr3ha haiM na! isalie jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM raha paataa| phira bhI agara puruSArtha ho to rahA jA sakatA hai| eka bAra gira jAe to phira se khar3A ho jAtA hai, phira se giratA hai phira khar3A ho jAtA hai| phira se giratA hai, phira se khar3A ho jAtA hai, lekina ho jAtA hai| puruSArtha kucha kAbU meM hai na, lekina puruSArtha ko DhIlA chor3a detA hai| praznakartA : lekina DiscArja meM koI pharka nahIM par3atA hai| DiscArja utane kA utanA hI rahatA hai|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka dAdAzrI : DiscArja hI hotA rahatA hai lekina cakarAkara, bojha baDhakara hotA hai| unheM anubhava hai na? AtA hai to paMdraha-paMdraha minaToM taka kisI jagaha para ulajhatA rahatA hai| Adhe-Adhe ghaMTe taka ulajhana meM rahatA hai na! vahI bojha hai| praznakartA : phira apanA bar3ha kaba jAtA hai? 395 dAdAzrI : aba agara dRSTi nahIM rahe to, jJAtA - dRSTA nahIM raheM to bojha bar3ha jaaegaa| praznakartA : phira usameM aMdara khuracatA hai kyA? aMdara sameTa pAtA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, sameTatA nahIM hai| vaha apanI khuda kI jAgRti nahIM rkhtaa| sameTane-vameTane kA kucha hai hI nhiiN| 'hAu TU DIla' aisA vaha nahIM kara pAtA / vaha samajha nahIM pAtA ki yahA~ kyA DIliMga karanI hai, jaise ki kisI ke prati ulTA abhiprAya nahIM bane, usake lie hameM kahanA par3atA hai ki 'yaha bahuta upakArI hai, upakArI hai|' to abhiprAya baMda ho jAte haiM / aisA 'hAu TU DIla vitha hima' jAnanA caahie| praznakartA : yAnI 'hAu TU DIla' kI jo samajha hai, vaha isa jJAna ke bAda prajJA jAgRta ho jAne ke bAda hI AtI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, bAda meM hI to / pahale nahIM ho sakatI na ! buddhi to kitanA dikhA sakatI hai? bahuta buddhizAlI aura ahaMkArI aMdhe haiN| unake bajAya kama buddhizAlI acche haiM becAre / yaha saba jAnane ke lie apane naz2adIka sirpha uttama nimitta ke saMyoga kI z2arUrata hai / praznakartA : pahale kA jo jIvana thA, usa jIvana meM parivartana A jAtA hai na?

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396 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : ho jAtA hai privrtn| jitanA jAgRta utanA hI parivartana ho jAtA hai| jAgRta hotA hai to khatma ho jAtA hai saba yoM hii| vidhi ke samaya dAdA ekAkAra eka minaTa ke lie bhI hama eka varka (kAma) meM nahIM rhte| hara vakta hamAre do kAma rahate haiN| kucha samaya ke lie hI, jaba vidhi hotI hai, taba eka kAma meM rahatA hU~, varnA khAte samaya, nahAte samaya, do varka meM rahatA huuN| praznakartA : ve do varka kauna se haiM? dAdAzrI : ye mujhe nahalAte haiM aura maiM khuda ke dhyAna meM rahatA hU~ yAnI jJAtA-dRSTApana rahatA hai| ataH hamAre to hamezA hI do (varka) rahate haiN| praznakartA : lekina ve nahalA rahe hoM, Apa to jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM to donoM varka kaise hue? dAdAzrI : khuda nahA rahA hotA hU~, unake sAtha bAteM bhI karatA jAtA huuN| ve samajheM ki apane sAtha hI haiN| kisI ko aisA patA nahIM calatA ki ye dUsare kAma meM haiM jabaki koI aura dUsare kAma meM par3e to hameM aisA jAna par3atA hai ki kho gayA hai| kucha kho sA gayA hai aisA lagatA hai| hamArA aisA patA nahIM cltaa| praznakartA : aura jaba Apa vidhi kara rahe hote haiM, taba eka kAma to vaha kauna sA kAma hai? dAdAzrI : usameM to eka hI kAma meN| vidhi karane meM hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : jaba jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM, taba Apa kyA karate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vidhi karate samaya jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM rhte| usa ghaDI ekz2ekTa jJAnIpuruSa ke rUpa meM rahate haiM, varnA ApakA kAma phalegA nahIM na ! praznakartA : yAnI ekjekTa Apa e.ema.paTela ho jAte haiM yA kyA hotA hai vaha?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 397 dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve jJAnIpuruSa hote haiN| praznakartA : jJAnIpuraSa yAnI e.ema.paTela? dAdAzrI : nahIM e.ema.paTela to yaha baoNDI hai| usa samaya hama jJAnIpuruSa, varnA vidhi phalegI nahIM inakI aura hameM koI aisI jaldabAz2I nahIM hai ki kala hI mokSa meM jAnA hai| praznakartA : jaba Apa vidhi kara rahe hote haiM taba Apa jJAnIpuruSa, to phira dAdA bhagavAna kahA~ jAte haiM taba? dAdAzrI : dAdA bhagavAna to usI jagaha para baiThe haiN| merI usa tarapha kI dRSTi kama ho jAtI hai, baMda ho jAtI hai| hamArI dRSTi usa ghar3I sImaMdhara svAmI meM hotI hai, kisI dUsarI jagaha para hotI hai| Apake lie vidhi karanI hotI hai usa smy| avasthAoM meM asvastha, sva meM svastha jo avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiM, ve sabhI avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM aura yaha jo hai, vaha avasthA meM rahatA hai isalie asvastha rahatA hai| sva avinAzI hai, agara usa avinAzI meM rahe to svastha raha sakatA hai varnA asvastha hI rhegaa| praznakartA : vaha khuda dekha sakatA hai aura jAna sakatA hai ki yaha avasthA meM asvastha hai, isake bAvajUda bhI svastha nahIM raha pAtA? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha dekha sakatA hai| isake bAvajUda bhI asvasthatA nahIM jaatii| vahA~ para kyA hotA hai ki jo dekhanevAlA hai, vaha dAdA dvArA diyA gayA AtmA hai| ise dekhanevAlA zuddhAtmA hI hai| hama saba usI rUpa meM raheM to koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM hai| varnA to svastha aura asvastha kA to aMta hI nahIM A paaegaa| praznakartA : usakI cAbI kauna sI hai? dAdAzrI : cAbI? ina saba meM asvastha rahe yA svastha rahe, donoM kA

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398 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) jAnakAra zuddhAtmA hai| asvastha rahatA hai taba khuda usameM hAtha DAlatA hai, phaoNrena meN| phaoNrena meM hAtha nahIM DAlanA cAhie use| svastha ho jAe yA asvastha rahe, hameM to jAnane se kAma hai| ye sabhI paudgalika avasthAe~ haiM aura jo paudgalika avasthAoM ko jAnatA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA kahalAtA hai| paudgalika arthAt jo pUraNa-galanavAlA hai| Apako asvasthatA kaba AtI hai? yadi pUraNa kI huI hogI, tabhI vaha isa samaya aaegii| abhI Ane ke bAda usakA galana ho jAtA hai| phaoNrena meM hAtha DAlA to jale bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| usameM hama hAtha nahIM DAlate aura hama dUsaroM se bhI kahate haiM ki 'bhAI, hAtha mata ddaalnaa|' kyoMki yoM to jo bhI phala milanA thA, vaha to milane hI vAlA hai| isake alAvA yadi usane hAtha DAlA to usakA use Dabala phala milatA hai| do nukasAna uThAtA haiN| to hama eka hI nukasAna uThAe~ n| asvasthatA, asvasthatA 'caMdUbhAI' ko hai| Apako itanA jAnate rahanA hai ki asvastha hai| asvastha hai vaha paMdraha minaTa ke bAda khatma ho jaaegii| agara dekhate rahoge to do nukasAna nahIM hoNge| praznakartA : avasthA kA samaya jitanA adhika khiMce AvaraNa utanA hI adhika kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, jitanA AvaraNa hogA utanA khiMcatA rahegA, lekina yadi Apa zuddhAtmA kI taraha dekhate rahoge na to phira AvaraNa bhale hI kitanA bhI ho phira bhI vaha jaldI se calA jAegA, ekadama se| usakA niber3A A jaaegaa| lekina agara usameM khuda hAtha DAlane gayA to jhaMjhaTa khar3A ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : to jAgRti kisameM rakhanI hai? dAdAzrI : dekhane meM, usI meM jAgRti rakhanI hai| dekhane meM tanmayAkAra nahIM ho jAe to use jAgRti kahate haiN| dRSTA aura dRzya donoM judA rahane cAhie, isI ko jAgRti kahate haiN| 'kyA hai' use dekhate haiM aura kyA ho rahA hai' use dekhate haiM, dAdA

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 399 donoM hI dekhate haiN| kyA hai' meM unheM to jo khuda kA svarUpa hai vaisA hI dikhAI detA hai sabhI meM aura kyA ho rahA hai' meM ve apane Apa hI karate jA rahe haiM, vaisA dikhAI detA hai| koI bhIr3a meM aise-aise kara rahA ho, koI sira rakha rahA ho, phalAnA kara rahA ho lekina yaha saba vaha nahIM kara rahA hai| usakA AtmA to apane darzana meM AtA hai lekina ye saba kriyAe~ pudgala kara rahA hai| aura phira ve bhI galanavAlI kriyAe~ haiM, pUraNa nahIM hai| jJAna milA hai isalie galana kriyA hai, pUraNa nhiiN| dekhane se calI jAtI haiM sabhI parateM karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai, kyA ho rahA hai, use dekhanA hai| bhAva kie haiM, nizcaya huA hai, vaha sb| phira nizcaya ke anusAra kyA huA use dekhate rahanA hai| yaha to jo pUrvajanma kI Diz2Aina hai usa anusAra nikala rahA hai| isalie hameM kucha karanA nahIM rahatA na! praznakartA : hama aisA kaha sakate haiM ki bhAva karane kI sattA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha bhI khuda kI sattA nahIM hai| yaha to pichale janma kI Diz2Aina bola rahI hai yaha sb| hameM koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| use hameM dekhate rahanA hai| kyA ho rahA hai, vahI dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : jo bhI parata Ae, use dekhate rahanA hai, bs| dAdAzrI : to vaha parata calI jaaegii| varnA agara dekhoge nahIM aura 'mujhe aisA kyoM huA' aisA lage to phira bojha bar3ha jAegA lekina yaha parata jAegI nhiiN| praznakartA : ulTA-sIdhA ho rahA ho, taba bhI dekhate hI rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : ulTA-sIdhA hotA hI nahIM hai| buddhi ulTA dikhAtI hai| ulTA ho taba bhI kyA karoge agara parata AegI to?! sIdhA ho taba bhI dekhate rahanA hai aura ulTA ho taba bhI dekhate rahanA hai| praznakartA : donoM ko dekhate hI rahanA hai|

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400 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : donoM meM samAnatA rakhanA, vahI jJAna hai| praznakartA : donoM DiscArja hI haiN| dAdAzrI : donoM DiscArja hI haiN| hama jo kahate haiM usa eka-eka zabda ko agara samajha lo na to kAma ho jaae| praznakartA : aba lakSa (jAgRti) usa tarapha kA hI hai ki dAdA ke vijJAna ko samajhanA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| galana ko 'dekhate' raho praznakartA : jJAna lene ke bAda kA jo galana hai use dekhate hI rahanA hai yA usakI gati bar3hAne ke lie kucha karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : gati bar3hAnevAlA kauna? kartA calA gayA phira gati bar3hAnevAlA kauna? praznakartA : use apane Apa hI hone denA hai| dAdAzrI : dekhate hI rahanA hai| jo hotA hai use dekhate hI rahanA hai| hamane jo pUraNa kiyA thA, vaha aba apanA phala dekara galana hogaa| kar3avA hogA to kar3avA aura mIThA hogA to mIThA, phala dekara donoM kA galana ho jaaegaa| unheM hameM dekhate rahanA hai| gati bar3hAnA vagairaha, aisI koI dakhala karanI hI nahIM hai| aba isa sIdhe sAinsa meM yadi thor3I sI bhI bhUla khA jAe~ge to mAra par3a jaaegii| kucha badalane lage to mere pAsa A jAnA, maiM phira se oNparezana kara duuNgaa| nAsamajhI se badalAva hone kI saMbhAvanA to hai na! praznakartA : hama chor3a deM vaha bhUla? dAdAzrI : jJAtApana to chor3A hI nahIM jA sktaa| jJAtApana hI apanA svabhAva hai aura jJeya to niraMtara rahate hI haiN| vaha jo mana hai na, vaha TheTha Ayu

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 401 pUrI hone taka phAileM dikhAtA rhegaa| vaha dikhAtA rahegA aura hama dekhate rheNge| jJeya nahIM raheMge to jJAtA khatma ho jaaegaa| ata: yaha jo jJeya haiM, ve sinemA kI taraha hai| mana aMta taka dikhAegA isalie jJAtA kabhI khatma nahIM hogaa| dekhanevAlA caitanya piMDa zuddhAtmA hai praznakartA : aura jo dekhate rahanA hai, vaha kise dekhate rahanA hai? kauna dekhatA rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : jo zuddhAtmA banA hai, jJAtA banA hai, vaha dekhatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, aisA hai ki yaha jo hameM zuddhAtmA kA anubhava huA hai, usa para se hamAre mana meM aisA khyAla AtA hai ki vaha to eka caitanya piMDa hai, usameM kyA karanA aura kyA dekhanA? dAdAzrI : dekhanevAlA khuda hI hai| jo caitanya kA piMDa hai vaha dekhatA hai| vaha kise dekhatA hai? jJeya ko dekhatA hai| ataH vicAra jJeya haiM aura Apa jJAtA ho| jaba taka jJAtA ko jJeya nahIM dikhAI de, taba taka use vyavahAra nahIM kahA jA sktaa| jJeya aura jJAtA ekAkAra na hoM to use jJAna kahate haiN| jJeya meM pariNamita nahIM honA hai| pahale jJeya meM pariNamita hue, usI se to saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| vicAra jar3a cIz2a hai, usameM bilkula bhI cetana nahIM hai| unameM pariNamita hokara yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| bhaTaka, bhaTaka, anaMta janmoM se bhaTake haiM, phira bhI ThikAnA nahIM par3A jabaki isameM to yaha khuda jJAtA bana gyaa| jJeya ko dekhatA hai, sabhI jJeyoM ko dekhatA hai| kriyA kie binA dekhatA hai| khuda ke jyoti svarUpa meM saba jhalakatA hai| usake lie aba koI aisI kriyA nahIM karanI hai, sabakucha yoM hI apane Apa jhalakatA hai usmeN| praznakartA : arthAt Apane yaha jo jyoti svarUpa kahA hai usameM jhalakatA hai, vaha ThIka hai lekina yaha jo jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai, vaha jyoti svarUpa ko rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : vhii| jisameM jhalakatA hai, vahI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| vaha jyoti

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402 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) svarUpa hai, jJAyaka hai| zuddhAtmA hai| vahI kA vahI, eka kA eka hI hai, usameM dUsarA koI nahIM hai| sirpha jJeya judA hai| jo vicAra Ate haiM kharAba aura acche, ve donoM hI jJeya haiN| ve jJeya alaga haiM aura phira buddhi bhI jJeya hai, mana bhI jJeya hai, ahaMkAra bhI jJeya hai| yaha pUrA hI jagat jJeya hai| to mahAvIra bhagavAna khuda usa jJeya ko, pudgala ko hI dekhate rahate the| khuda jJAtA va jJAyaka hai aura pudgala jo hai vaha jJeya hai| brahmAMDa ke aMdara aura bAhara? praznakartA : brahmAMDa ke aMdara aura brahmAMDa ke bAhara se dekhanA, isakA kyA matalaba hai? jJeyoM meM tanmayAkAra huA taba brahmAMDa meM hai aura jJeyoM ko jJeya ke rUpa meM dekhe, taba brahmAMDa se bAhara kahA jAtA hai, yaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : brahmAMDa se bAhara dekhane ko jJAna kahate haiM! praznakartA : brahmAMDa kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha sArA brahmAMDa hI hai na! yaha sArA usI kA phoTo hai na! mana meM vicAra AyA, aura usameM tanmayAkAra ho gayA to brahmAMDa meM hai| mana meM vicAra AyA aura tanmayAkAra nahIM huA to brahmAMDa se bAhara kahalAtA hai| pUrA jagat jJeyoM meM hI tanmayAkAra hai na! jo vicAra Ate haiM na, jagat unhIM meM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai| jabaki Apa dekhate ho ki kyA vicAra A rahe haiM aura kyA nahIM! praznakartA : aura brahmAMDa se bAhara kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : khuda ke svarUpa meM rahanA! praznakartA : hA~, jJeya aura avasthA, donoM eka hI haiM yA donoM nAma alaga-alaga haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha saba eka hI hai| sabhI jJeya avasthA haiN| avasthA hI jJeya haiN| jaise-jaise bahuta sAre jJeya dikhane lagate haiM, vaise-vaise jJAtApada maz2abUta

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 403 hotA jAtA hai aura jaba sarva jJeyoM kA jJAtA bana jAe, taba kevalajJAna kahalAtA hai| jJeya-jJAtA kA saMbaMdha niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva kA hI hai| jo AtmA diyA thA na, zuddhAtmA, usakA svabhAva hI jJAyaka hai| jJeya hAz2ira huA ki yaha jJAyaka khuda apanI jAgRti dikhAtA hai| praznakartA : hA~, to ise vyavahAra meM kisa taraha utAreM? dAdAzrI : vyavahAra meM hI hai yh| yaha vyavahAra jJeya hai aura nizcaya jJAyaka hai| donoM kA saMbaMdha yahI hai| vyavahAra-nizcaya kA hI saMbaMdha hai| vyavahAra meM jJeya ke alAvA koI bhI cIz2a nahIM hai| vyavahAra meM koI jJAtA nahIM hai aura nizcaya meM jJAtA ke alAvA anya koI cIz2a nahIM hai| praznakartA : vaha to ThIka se samajha meM A gyaa| to vyavahAra meM jaba pA~ca-cha: kArya ikaTThe ho jAte haiM to jJAtA-dRSTA kA bhAva calA jAtA hai usake bAda kucha samaya meM vApasa A jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, calA nahIM jaataa| vaha to aisA bhAsita hotA hai| vaha calA nahIM jaataa| praznakartA : dUsarI vibhAva dazA meM tanmayAkAra ho jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : calA nahIM jaataa| aisA hai na ki yahA~ para lAiTa ho lekina agara hama so jAe~ to hameM aMdara aMdherA dikhatA hai| z2arA DojiMga ho jAe isakA matalaba lAiTa kahIM calI nahIM gaI hai| lAiTa to utanI hI prakAzamAna hai| arthAt yaha jo vyavahAra hai, vaha pUrA jJeya svarUpa se hai aura nizcaya jJAyaka svarUpa se hai| aba donoM ke bIca saMbaMdha sthApita ho gyaa| jJeya-jJAtA kA saMbaMdha ho gayA yh| niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA vahI kevalajJAna praznakartA : aba zuddhAtmA kI jAgRti aura jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva bahuta

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404 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) rahatA hai| jaba jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva meM rahatA hU~ taba usa samaya maiM kucha alaga hI cIz2a hU~, aisA anubhava hotA hai aura ThaMDaka mahasUsa hotI hai| dAdAzrI : aisA to lagegA hI na! isakI to bAta hI alaga hai, aisA lagatA hai aura taba hameM ThaMDaka bahuta mahasUsa hotI hai| vaha to kevalajJAna kI ThaMDaka kahalAtI hai| koI-koI mahAtmA to kevalajJAna kI ThaMDaka anubhava kara sakatA hai| apane kaI mahAtmAoM ko to kaI bAra aMdara aise-aise kSaNa Ate haiM ki taba aisA bhI bolate haiM ki 'maiM kevalajJAna svarUpa haiN| bola sakate haiM, kyoMki kisI-kisI samaya kevalajJAna svarUpa meM A jAtA hai vykti| eka-eka aMza karake bhAga utpanna huA hai| aba jaise-jaise aMdara kI udhArI cukatA hogI aura baiMka se jitane ovaraDrAphTa lie haiM, jaise-jaise ve saba cukatA hote jAe~ge, vaise-vaise yaha saba samajha meM AtA jaaegaa| saMpUrNa jJAtA-dRSTA to ho gae haiM sabhI, lekina niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA raha pAe~ to kevljnyaanii| niraMtara rahanA caahie| vaha to aisA hai na ki jo saMpUrNa rUpa se jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM, ve kevalajJAnI haiN| lekina aMzika rUpa meM rahatA hai na, to thor3e-thor3e aMza karake bar3hatA jAtA hai| jaise-jaise karmoM kA nikAla hotA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise kevalajJAna ke aMza bar3hate jAte haiN| ataH usameM koI bhI dakhala nahIM hai| yahI rAstA hai| yahI hAive hai| jaise-jaise ye phAileM kama hotI jAtI haiM, vaise-vaise jJAtA-dRSTApana kA anupAta bar3hatA jAtA hai| bar3hate-bar3hate kevalajJAna taka pahu~catA hai| ekadama se nahIM ho jaataa| jJAtA-dRSTA ko nahIM hai koI parezAnI jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAe to vyavasthita usakA sabhI kucha sucArU rUpa se calA letA hai| dekho, merA diyA huA nahIM hai aura ApakA liyA huA nahIM hai| ApakA Apake pAsa hai| sirpha vyavahAra ko eksepTa karanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : Apane jo vyavahAra kI bAta kI hai, vaha vyavahAra kise karanA hai?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 405 dAdAzrI : dekhanevAle ko! jo jJAtA-dRSTA hai na, usI ko dekhanA hai ki yaha philma aisI hai| praznakartA : hA~, use sirpha dekhanA hI hai? dAdAzrI : aura kyA hogA? vyavahAra ko sirpha dekhanA hI hai| dekhanevAle ko aisA nahIM rahatA ki yaha kharAba hai yA acchA hai| yaha to buddhi ko lagatA hai, dekhanevAle ko aisA nahIM rhtaa| phAyade-nukasAnavAlI buddhi, vaha aisA kahatI hai ki 'acchA aura burA hai|' lekina dekhanevAle ko aisA kucha nahIM rhtaa| arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA banane meM koI harja nahIM hai| dRzya aura dRSTA donoM alaga hI rahate haiN| dRzya kabhI bhI dRSTA se cipaka nahIM pdd'taa| hama holI dekheM to holI se A~kheM nahIM jala jaatii| yAnI ki dekhane se jagat bAdhaka nahI rhtaa| dekhane se to AnaMda hotA hai| AtmA ko nahIM hai z2arUrata kisI kI praznakartA : AtmA aura prakRti ke guNa bilkula bhinna haiM? dAdAzrI : alaga hI haiM na! praznakartA : jaba hama kahate haiM ki zuddhAtmA sirpha jJAtA-dRSTA hai, taba, 'dRSTA hai' vaha bAta samajha meM AtI hai lekina jaba aisA kahate haiM ki 'AtmA jJAtA hai' taba AtmA kauna se mAdhyama dvArA jJAna prApta karatA hai? AtmA prakRti ke mAdhyama kA upayoga to nahIM karatA hogA na? dAdAzrI : kisI kA bhI upayoga to nahIM karatA lekina kisI se madada bhI nahIM maaNgtaa| AtmA svataMtra hai| AtmA paramAtmA hai| usakI khuda kI anaMta zaktiyA~ haiN| AtmA ko kisI aura ke pAsa se jJAna nahIM lenA pdd'taa| jisakI baoNDI hI jJAna hai, vaha khuda hI jJAna svarUpa hai, vijJAna svarUpa hai, phira use kisI ke mAraphata jJAna lene kA rahA hI kahA~? praznakartA : hama jaba prakRti ko dRSTA ke rUpa meM dekha rahe hote haiM vaha

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406 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ThIka hai lekina jaba hama usake jJAtA raheM to usa samaya prakRti kA koI bhI mAdhyama, koI bhI vicAra ho yA anya koI bhI usake guNa, usake mAdhyama se hI hameM jAnapanA AtA hai| nahIM to hameM jAnapane meM kaise A sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| khuda svabhAva se hI jAnapanevAlA hai| yaha jo jAnapanA prakRti meM AtA hai na, vaha AtmA meM se AropaNa kiyA huA hai| vaha to khuda ke jAnapane meM se AropaNa karake prakRti meM Ae, taba vaha prakRti kA jAnapanA hai| yaha buddhi khuda kA hI AropaNa hai, aura kucha bhI nahIM hai| ataH AtmA ke alAvA anya kisI bhI jagaha para jAnapanA hai hI nhiiN| yahIM para sArA jAnapanA utpanna huA hai| ye jo jJAtA-dRSTA, do guNa haiM ve AtmA ke hI guNa haiN| isake alAvA anya kisI bhI jagaha para jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM hai aura prakRti jo jAnatI hai, vaha AtmA ke AropaNa se jAnatI hai| aura kucha bhI nahIM hai| prakRti meM jAnapanA hai hI nahIM na! praznakartA : isakA matalaba kyA huA? AropaNa nahIM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : 'nahIM karanA hai,' vaha bhASA hI galata hai| praznakartA : to phira aba yaha jJAtA-dRSTA kisa prakAra se rahanA hai? prakRti ke kisI bhI mAdhyama yA koI bhI sahArA lie bagaira DAyarekTa jJAtAdRSTA kisa prakAra se raheM? dAdAzrI : usakA svabhAva hI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| vaha Apako samajhanA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA ko Apa apanI bhASA meM samajhe ho| praznakartA : dAdA, hama jo kahate haiM ki AtmA jJAtA-draSTA hai to vaha ThIka hai| aba AtmA yadi jJAtA-dRSTA hai to kyA vaha sUkSma zarIra kI madada se jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hogA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| yaha jo darpaNa hotA hai na, vaha khuda rakhA huA ho aura hama usake sAmane jAe~ to darpaNa meM hama dikhAI deMge yA nahIM dikhAI deMge? usameM kyA darpaNa ko kucha karanA par3atA hai? usI prakAra AtmA meM jhalakatA hai yaha sb| yaha jo darpaNa hai vaha acetana hai aura AtmA cetana

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 407 hai| cetana meM saba jhalakatA hai| isalie khuda ko patA calatA hai ki aMdara yaha kyA huA, kauna-kauna dikha rahA hai| aisA jJAtA-dRSTA hai| aMtima jJAtAdRSTA isa prakAra se hai| praznakartA : aMtima ThIka hai lekina abhI mAna lIjie ki maiM koI kArya kara rahA hU~, maiM dekha rahA hU~ to kyA mujhe aisA rahegA ki ye caMdUbhAI kara rahe haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : lekina mere dimAga meM aisA AtA hai ki caMdUbhAI kucha kara rahA hai, use yaha bAta samajhAnevAlA kauna hai? usa samaya mana-citta sabhI hAz2ira ho jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha saba pudgala kahalAtA hai aura yaha cetana kahalAtA hai| isa cetana meM jise AtmA kahate ho na, vaha AtmA nahIM krtaa| AtmA meM se eka zakti hai, jo prajJA nAmaka zakti hai, vaha usameM se bAhara AtI hai| prajJAzakti se dikhAI detA hai vaha sb| yaha prajJAzakti AtmA meM se nikalatI hai| usa prajJAzakti kA kAma kyA hai? kisa prakAra se 'use' mokSa meM hI le jAe, usI ke lie niraMtara prayatnazIla rahatI hai| vaha sAvadhAna karatI hai| aba usake sAmane dUsarI zakti kauna sI? to vaha hai 'ajnyaashkti|' jise hama buddhi kahate haiM na, vaha ajJAzakti hai| vaha mokSa meM jAne hI nahIM detii| ulajhAulajhAkara hameM aMdara hI aMdara le AtI hai, apane ghere meN| aba prajJAzakti kyA karatI hai? buddhi jo ulajhA-ulajhAkara le gaI hai, use vaha dUsarI ora le jAtI hai| praznakartA : to isakA matalaba prajJAzakti ke mAdhyama se hI jJAtAdRSTA raha pAte haiM? dAdAzrI : basa, prajJAzakti se hii| AtmA se nhiiN| jo jJAtA-dRSTA rahA, vahI vItarAga praznakartA : hama carcA kara rahe the ki saMpUrNa rUpa se jJAtA-dRSTA kauna

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408 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) raha sakatA hai? taba maiMne kahA ki 'jo vItarAga ho vahI saMpUrNa jJAtA-dRSTA raha sakatA hai, varnA nahIM raha sktaa|' taba inakA kahanA aisA thA ki 'nahIM, vItarAga nahIM hoM, phira bhI jJAtA-dRSTA rahA jA sakatA hai|' dAdAzrI : nahIM, vItarAga kA artha aisA nahIM hai| vItarAga arthAt, jitane samaya taka jJAtA-dRSTA rahe, utane samaya taka vaha vItarAga rhaa| aura saMpUrNa rahe to saMpUrNa vItarAga, bs| arthAt jJAtA-dRSTApanA, vahI vItarAgapanA hai| vItarAga arthAt vaha thor3I dera, paMdraha minaTa ke lie bhI agara jJAtAdRSTA rahA to utane samaya taka viitraag| praznakartA : saMpUrNa rUpa se rAga-dveSa cale jAe~ to adhika jJAtAdRSTApanA AegA na? vaha ThIka hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa to gae hue hI haiM, unheM nikAlanA kahA~ haiM? praznakartA : hA~, ve to jJAna lene ke bAda ge| dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra gayA isakA matalaba hI hai ki rAga-dveSa ge| aba jo rAga-dveSa haiM, ve DiscArja rAga-dveSa haiN| aba cArja rAga-dveSa to mAno cale hI gae haiN| phira rAga-dveSa jAne kA savAla hI kahA~ rahatA hai? aba jitanA ApakA upayoga zuddha rahegA utanA hI Apa jJAtA-dRSTA aura agara upayoga zuddha na rahe aura isI meM ulajhA rahegA to utanA vaha jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM raha paaegaa| aMtaHkaraNa ko jAne aura dekhe, vaha ucca bAta hai arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA kA saba se bar3A artha vaha hai| aMdara khuda kyA kara rahA hai, mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra, ye saba kyA kara rahe haiM, una saba ko sarvasva prakAra se jAne aura dekhe, bs| aura kucha nhiiN| Apa AtmA hI ho aura jJAtA-dRSTA ho| yaha ho yA vaha ho, ApakA jJAtA-dRSTApana yadi z2arA sA bhI chor3A to aMdara parezAnI hogii| Apa jo ho vaha ho! yaha to jo jJAna diyA hai, 'hama zuddhAtmA haiM' vaha jJAna to vaise kA vaisA hI rahanA caahie|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 409 praznakartA : 'kevala nija svabhAva kA akhaMDa barate jJAna / ' to Apane jaisA kahA hai, aba AtmA meM hI pUre dina rahA karate haiM, to usI ko 'akhaMDa jJAna barateM' kahA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : ve kucha aura kahanA cAhate haiN| kevala nija svabhAva kA akhaMDa barate jJAna' arthAt niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva, usake alAvA anya kucha bhI na rahatA hai, usake lie kahanA cAhate haiN| abhI to apane se dUra hai j'raa| vaha pada dUra hai| vinAzI jaga ke sAtha Atma saMbaMdha praznakartA : AtmA ke bAre meM samajhane ke bAda, isa jagat kI vinAzI cIz2oM ke sAtha AtmA kA kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : sinemA dekhane gae ho Apa kabhI? to hamArA sinemA ke sAtha kyA saMbaMdha hai? vaha jo hotA hai, vahA~ para kapar3e kA bar3A pardA hotA hai, usa parde ke sAtha hamArA koI saMbaMdha hai? kyA saMbaMdha hai apanA? praznakartA : sirpha dekhane kaa| dAdAzrI : basa to phira, usI taraha yaha saba bhI sirpha dekhanA hI hai| aura koI saMbaMdha nahIM hai| nahIM dekheMge to AtmA gAyaba ho jaaegaa| isalie dekhanA hI par3atA hai| jJeya nahIM hoMge to jJAtA nahIM rhegaa| jJeya kI upasthiti hI jJAtA kI upasthiti sUcita karatI hai| sinemA cale, tabhI taka dekhanevAle kI qImata hai, varnA agara sinemA baMda ho to dekhanevAle kI qImata nahIM hai| aise rahatA hai jJAtA-dRSTA kA liMka praznakartA : Aja nityakrama meM baiThA thA to taba sAta minaTa taka merA lakSa cUka gayA thA, vItarAga ke dhyAna kI tarapha kA! TUTa jAne ke bAda mujhe khayAla A gayA ki 'maiM anaMta zaktivAlA hU~' aura 'maiM anaMta zaktivAlA' zabda dasa minaTa taba bolA aura....

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410 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : aMdara lakSa kI liMka TUTa jAe, taba hameM bolanA par3atA hai ki 'maiM anaMta zaktivAlA hU~' yA 'anaMta darzanavAlA hU~' aisA bolane para to phira se phiTa ho jAtA hai| ye sabhI liMka paudgalika haiM aura ve jJeya svarUpa se haiN| praznakartA : aisA ho sakatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, ho sakatA hai| aisA to kaI bAra hotA hai| aura vaha jJeya svarUpa se hai lekina kabhI liMka TUTa jAtI hai| jJAtA to hai hii| liMka TUTa jAe, taba agara hama boleM to phira se liMka zurU ho jaaegii| liMka kA TUTa jAnA to patA calatA hai, usakA jJAtA hU~ aura lagAtAra rahatI hai to usakA bhI jJAtA huuN| hama jJAtA svarUpa haiN| basa, jAnanA hI caahie| hama sinemA dekhane gae hoM aura vahA~ para ekadama se philma baMda ho jAe aura koI parezAnI A jAe to hameM jAnanA hai ki baMda ho gaI aura phira zurU ho gaI to jAnanA hai ki zurU ho gii| usase hameM koI lenA-denA nahIM dekho taraMgoM ko philma kI taraha praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM sadaiva rahA jA sakeM, aisI kRpA kIjie na! dAdAzrI : aisI hI kRpA rahatI hai| jJAtA-dRSTApada meM hI rahatA hai, sdaiv| lekina yaha jJAna kI jyota dhuMdhalI ho jAtI hai na isalie aisA lagatA hai aapko| bAkI, vaha to jJAtA-dRSTApada meM hI hai hmeshaa| yaha jyota dhuMdhalI ho jAtI hai, aisA kisane jAnA? vahI mUla AtmA hai| ataH niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTApada meM hI anubhava rahatA hai| kabhI-kabhI aMdara taraMge (zekhacillI jaisI kalpanAe~) AtI haiM na, unheM dekhanA hai| abhI aisA hai ki AtmA jJAyaka svabhAva kA hai aura jJeyoM ko dekhane va jAnane kA isakA svabhAva hai, to agara sAmane jJeya nahIM hogA to kyA hogA? jJAyakatA baMda ho jaaegii| ataH ye taraMge vagairaha sabhI jJeya haiM, unheM dekhate rahanA hai| ve taraMge

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 411 cAhe tabhI ke tabhI kAma meM Ae~ aisI hoM yA kAma meM na Ae~ aisI hoM, ve virodhI svabhAva kI hoM yA zAstrajJAna se viruddha ho, phira bhI unheM sirpha dekhanA hI hai| una para dveSa nahIM karanA hai| apanA vijJAna z2arA alaga prakAra kA hai| apanA akrama vijJAna aisA hai ki pUrI taraha se chUTA jA ske| praznakartA : sUkSma, sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama nididhyAsana meM koI aMtara hai yA nahIM? usameM to atIndriya raha gayA na bilkul| dAdAzrI : kauna sA? praznakartA : sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama nididhyAsana to pUrA atIndriya huA na? dAdAzrI : vaha sArA to atIndriya hI hai| apanA mAla atIndriya hI praznakartA : to usI ko akhaMDa jAgRti kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : akhaMDa jAgRti hI hai yh| vaha saMpUrNa rUpa se prakAzamAna ho jAe taba kevalajJAna kahalAtA hai| sAmane kI tarapha jo dekhanA thA vaha nahIM dikhAI detA, bIca meM aMtarAya A jAte haiN| apanI yaha saMsArI philma A jAtI hai bIca meN| jaba saMsArI philma nahIM rahe na, taba TaMkI khAlI ho jAtI hai, aura bhI maz2A AtA hai| praznakartA : to sAmane kyA dekhanA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : sAmane kI tarapha vAstavika jJeya hai| praznakartA : isakA matalaba? dAdAzrI : yaha vAstavika jJeya nahIM hai| ye to apane karma ke udaya haiM saare| jinheM vAstavika jJeya kahA jAtA hai, vahA~ para usa vAstavika jJeya meM dikhatA hai hameM! praznakartA : vAstavika jJeya meM kyA jAnA jA sakatA hai?

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412 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha bAda meM samajha meM aaegaa| abhI ekadama se jaldabAz2I nahIM karanI hai| praznakartA : vAstavika jJeya meM dravya-guNa-paryAya kI bAteM AtI haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : jJeya meM tanmaya ho gae, jJeyoM ko jAnanevAle nahIM rahe to ve phira vibhAva meM hI race-base rahe, aisA nahIM ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, nhiiN| yaha jJAna hI aisA hai ki vibhAva meM racAbasA nahIM raha sakatA kyoMki dekhanevAlA hAz2ira rahatA hai| dekhanevAlA aura jAnanevAlA hAz2ira rahatA hai kyoMki vibhAvika nahIM hai vh| khuda svabhAvika hai| yaha vijJAna hI aisA hai ki vibhAva utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| vijJAna to, ekz2ekTa judA ho gayA hai, aisA vijJAna hai| use kucha bhI nahIM ho sktaa| kucha bhI sparza nahIM karatA, kucha bhI bAdhA nahIM DAla sakatA, dUsarI cIz2oM kA kucha z2ora A jAtA hai| vaha kitane dinoM taka raha sakatA hai? vaha TemparerI hai aura hama paramAnenTa hai| z2ora lagAnevAle kauna haiM? TemparerI haiN| tujhe jo karanA ho bhAI vaha kara na! hama paramAnenTa haiN| TemparerI paramAnenTa kA kyA bigAr3a sakatA hai? dekhane jAe~ to pUre zarIra meM paramAnenTa sirpha hama khuda hI haiN| praznakartA : eka pala ke lie usakA calita bhAva A jAtA hai| phira turaMta hI vApasa seTa ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, bahata samaya kA abhyAsa hai na, isalie z2arA slipa ho jAte haiN| phira samajha jAnA hai ki 'isameM aura koI nahIM hai, hama khuda hI haiN|' bAta aisI z2arUra hai ki iMsAna slipa ho jAe kyoMki bahuta samaya se yahI kI yahI tor3a-phor3a, tor3a-phor3a hai saarii| yaha to isa vijJAna ne rokakara rakhA hai| yaha vijJAna hai na, sabhI meM saphalatA detA hai| saMpUrNa saphalatA detA hai| sva ko sva jAne vaha mahAmukta jAnate rahanA, vaha apanA svabhAva hai| bigar3ate rahanA, vaha pudgala kA

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 413 svabhAva hai| jAnanevAlA eka hI hai| jAnane kI cIjeM anaMta haiN| anya ko anya jAne, vaha mukta hai| anya ko anya jAne aura sva ko sva jAne vaha mahA mukta ! jaba anya ko anya jAne, usa samaya mana-vacana-kAyA kA yoga yadi kaMpAyamAna nahIM ho to vaha sva ko sva jAna sakatA hai aura yadi kaMpAyamAna ho jAe to aisA nahIM kahA jA sakatA ki 'sva' ko 'sva' jAnA praznakartA : 'jaba anya ko anya jAne, usa samaya yadi mana-vacanakAyA kA yoga kaMpAyamAna nahIM ho to vaha 'sva' ko 'sva' jAnatA hai|' yaha samajhAie na! isameM dAdA kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : sva arthAt AtmA aura para arthAt yaha pudgl| vaha anya cIz2a hai| use jaba anya jAneMge usa samaya jo mana-vacana-kAyA jo ki aMdara pudgala meM hI haiM, ve kaMpAyamAna (kaMpita) nahIM hote to aisA kahA jAegA ki 'sva' pUrNa ho gyaa| kaMpAyamAna ho jAe~ to 'sva' meM nahIM AyA hai| arthAt kaMpAyamAna ko jAnanevAlA yadi kaccA hogA to kaMpAyamAna hue bagaira rahegA nahIM aura yadi saccA hogA to kaMpAyamAna nahIM hogaa| isalie apane ye mahAtmA kaMpAyamAna nahIM hote kyoMki akrama vijJAna se baiTha cuke haiM, arthAt liphTa meM baiTha cuke haiN| dRzya aura dRSTA, donoM sadA bhinna dekhane va jAnane se kisI bhI asara kA sparza nahIM hotaa| koI apamAna de aura usake prati abhAva ho jAe, usa abhAva ko jo dekhe, vaha mahAvIra hai| koI mAna de aura acchA bhAva ho jAe aura usa bhAva ko jo dekhatA hai, vaha mahAvIra hai| Apa to kahate ho ki 'ye bhAva aura abhAva hone hI nahIM caahie|' vaha bAta yogya nahIM hai| dekhanevAlA aura dekhane kI cIz2a kabhI eka nahIM ho skte| agara eka ho jAe~ to AtmA nahIM kahalAegA kabhI bhii| praznakartA : to isakA matalaba yaha hai ki do kAma eTa e TAima hone cAhie?

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414 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : do kAma hoMge tabhI AtmA mAnA jAegA na, nahIM to kaise mAnA jAegA? praznakartA : vaha kaise ? dAdAzrI : sirpha dekhanevAlA hI ho, lekina dRzya nahIM ho to vaha dekhegA kyA? arthAt dekhanevAlA vahA~ para baMda ho jAtA hai| yAnI ki donoM hone cAhie, dekhane kI cIz2a aura jAnane - dekhanevAlA, donoM hone caahie| eka se kAma ho hI nahIM sakegA na ! praznakartA : nahIM ho sakatA lekina isameM par3hanA aura bAteM karanA, ye donoM cIz2eM kyoM kahI gaI haiM? dAdAzrI : usameM AtmA to vahI kA vahI hai na! sabhI meM AtmA hI hai na! AtmA dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, jo kucha bhI kareM usmeN| karanevAlA karatA hai lekina agara vaha nahIM hogA to AtmA karegA kyA? praznakartA : aura ina donoM ke binA to yaha duniyA ho hI nahIM sakatI na! dAdAzrI : upasthiti hI nahIM hogI / AtmA hogA hI nahIM vahA~ para / praznakartA : matalaba ? dAdAzrI : dekhanevAlA eka ho jAe to AtmA nahIM rhegaa| sirpha dekhanevAlA rahe aura dekhane kI cIz2a na ho, to dekhanevAlA baMda ho jAegA phir| usakI upasthiti hI nahIM rahegI / praznakartA : dikhAI denevAlI cIz2a ke AdhAra para dekhanevAlA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, tabhI ho sakatA hai na! praznakartA : jJeya to jagat meM rahanevAle haiM hI na? dAdAzrI : lekina loga jJeya ko haTAte haiM / jJeya ko haTAte haiM isalie AtmA bhI haTa jAtA hai| donoM hone caahie| vyavahAra jJeya hai aura AtmA jJAtA hai|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 415 mana to philma dikhAtA hai, usakA hameM jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai| sUkSma, sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama saMyogoM ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai| praznakartA : dAdA usakA nikAla, vaha DiscArja jaldI nahIM ho sakatA? dAdAzrI : vaha philma jaldI pUrI ho jAegI to kyA hogA? dekhanevAle ko ghara jAnA pdd'egaa| isalie kahate haiM ki dhIre-dhIre hone do, jaldabAz2I mata krnaa| praznakartA : dAdA, eka taraha se ApakI bAta cAhe ThIka hI hai lekina agara Apake jaisA dekheM, jo aMdara kA AnaMda hai, vaha agara z2yAdA dikha jAe to jJAtA-dRSTA pada ekadama se zurU ho jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, haaN| lekina jaba hama A~khoM se nahIM dekha pAe~ to cazme lekara ghUmate haiM ki dAdA haiM na sAtha meN| dAdA apanA cazmA hai aura aba isake jJAtA-dRSTA ho gae haiM hama, 'caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM aura kyA nahIM' yahI eka kAma rahA hai na, aba Apake pAsa! aura kucha nahIM hai na? __ to jaba yaha philma pUrI ho jAegI taba jo inTarima gavarmenTa hai, vaha phula gavarmenTa bana jaaegii| jaba taka philma dekhate haiM taba taka inTarima gavarmenTa hai| sirpha dekhane aura jAnanevAlA kahalAtA hai jJAyaka 'yaha mAlA pahanI hai,' loga use dekhate haiN| una dekhanevAloM ko mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'isane yaha kyA pahanA hai?' aura hama bhI ha~sate haiM ki 'ohoho, isane kyA pahanA hai?' hameM ha~sanA nahIM AegA ki ye aMbAlAla bhAI kyA pahanakara ghUma rahe haiM? khuda khuda kA jAnakAra rahe, to use dUsare jAnakAra kI z2arUrata nahIM rhegii| praznakartA : sahI sUtra hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, itanA hI bahuta hai| aura bahuta Age jAne kI z2arUrata nahIM hai|

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416 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : jJAtA aura jJAyaka meM koI pharka hai kyA? dAdAzrI : jaba sirpha jAnanevAlA hI kAma karatA rahatA hai, taba vaha jJAyaka kahalAtA hai| varnA agara vaha kAma nahIM kara rahA ho taba jJAtA to kahalAtA hI hai| kAma nahIM kara rahA ho, taba bhI jJAtA to kahalAtA hai| jJAtA, vaha jJAtA hai aura jJeya, vaha jJeya hai aura jJAyaka jaba sattA meM rahatA hai taba jJAyaka kahalAtA hai| sattA arthAt jaba kAma kara rahA ho, usa smy| aisA kyoM pUchanA par3A? praznakartA : nahIM, maiMne eka jagaha aisA par3hA thA ki 'maiM jJAyaka huuN'| dAdAzrI : ghara para caMdUbhAI kahalAtA hai aura oNphisa meM jAe taba kahate haiM, 'mejisTreTa A gae!' nahIM kahate? to kyA ghara para vaha seTha nahIM hai? to kahate haiM, nahIM, 'jahA~-jahA~ jo zobhAyamAna ho, vhii| hama hamezA ke lie jJAtA-dRSTA to haiM hI! jJAyaka bhAva, vahI aMtima bhAva hai praznakartA : jJAyaka aura upayoga, to vaha jo jJAyaka bhAva hai vahI upayoga nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI upayoga hai lekina jJAyaka bhAva rahanA caahie| jJAyaka bhAva A gayA to vahI upayoga hai| upayoga anya kucha nahIM hai aura jJAyaka bhAva nahIM rahA to use kahate haiM ki 'upayoga gyaa|' praznakartA : to jJAyaka aura jijJAsu meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta hai| jJAyaka aura jijJAsu meM koI saMbaMdha hI nahIM hai| arthAt jijJAsu to na jAne kahA~ khar3A hai? jJAyaka to khuda paramAtmA bana gyaa| jijJAsu ko to guru banAne par3eMge, DhU~Dhate rahanA pdd'egaa| jijJAsA utpanna huI hai to vaha puruSArthI banA hai lekina jJAyaka to kahA~ hai? jJAyaka to khuda hI bhagavAna hai| jitane samaya Apa jJAyaka rahate ho utane samaya taka Apa ho bhgvaan| utane samaya taka kevalajJAna ke aMza ikaTThe hote jAte haiN|

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 417 praznakartA : Apane hameM jJAyaka banA diyA, isa sthiti meM rakha diyA lekina abhI ApakI jo dazA hai, hamArI dazA vaisI to hai hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA hai na, usa dazA ko prApta karanevAle sabhI loga eka hI mAne jAte haiM kyoMki avasthA kI sArI Adhi-vyAdhi chUTa jAtI hai| praznakartA : hA~, Adhi-vyAdhi to pUrI taraha se nikala jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : to basa, jisameM Adhi-vyAdhi-upAdhi bAdhaka nahIM ho, vahI jJAna saccA hai| usake bAda koI kitAba nahIM par3hanI par3atI, Age jAkara kabhI bhI kaccA na par3e, vahI jJAna saccA hai| jise par3hate hI rahanA par3e usakA kaba aMta AegA? 'maiM karatA hU~' aura 'maiM jAnatA hU~' usakA miksacara, usI ko jJeya kahate haiM aura 'maiM jAnatA hU~' aura 'karatA nahIM hU~,' vaha hai jJAyaka bhaav| praznakartA : yaha hiMsA hai, yaha ahiMsA hai| yaha acchA hai, yaha burA hai, ye sabhI dvaMdva haiM to ye dvaMdva jJAyaka ko baratate haiM yA unheM sirpha dekhate rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : usake lie to sabhI kucha jJeya hI hai, jJeya aura dRzya do vibhAjana kara die haiN| eka yaha dRzya hai aura yaha jJeya hai| aura koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : phira jJAyaka ko to aisA bheda baratatA hI nahIM na ki yaha acchA hai yA yaha burA hai| dAdAzrI : bheda jaisI cIz2a hai hI nahIM na! jJAyaka aura dekhanevAle ko bheda jaisI koI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| bheda jaisI cIz2a aMdhoM ke lie hai| ahaMkAra aMdhA hai, isalie use aisA saba hotA hai ki yaha acchA hai aura yaha kharAba hai aura yaha jo dekha sakatA hai use to aisA kucha hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : Apane pUchA thA ki Apa hiMsA meM ho yA ahiMsA meM ho? to maiMne javAba diyA ki ahiMsA meN| taba mujhe aMdara huA ki apane lie hiMsA aura ahiMsA hai hI kyA? vaha ThIka hai?

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418 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| hama zuddha ho jAe~ to usameM harja hI nahIM hai na! zuddha ho gae usake lie kucha rahA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : Apane hameM akartA pada meM rakha diyA hai, phira hameM kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| khuda akartA pada rakhatA hai ! praznakartA : khuda ekadama se jJAyaka svabhAva meM rahatA hai to phira caMdUbhAI se kisI jIva kI hiMsA ho jAe to use koI lenA-denA rahatA hI nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : jJAyaka ko koI lenA-denA nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : arthAt Apa aisA hI kahate haiM ki lenA-denA caMdUbhAI ko hai| ataH agara Apako pratikramaNa karavAnA ho to caMdUbhAI se krvaao| dAdAzrI : jisase ho gayA hai use loga kahate haiM ki 'ye kaise loga haiM? inheM dekho na, ise mAra diyA aapne|' jisane kiyA hai, use kahate haiM log| jJAyaka ko koI nahIM khtaa| jJAyaka ko karma nahIM bNdhtaa| jJAyaka ko koI lenA-denA hai hI nhiiN| arthAt jisane kiyA hai usI ko hameM kahanA hai ki 'pratikramaNa karanA tuu| atikramaNa kyoM kiyA? pratikramaNa kro|' praznakartA : kyA usa samaya jJAyaka ko aisA bheda-abheda rahatA hai ki yaha hiMsA kI yA nahIM kI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, hiMsA zabda hai hI nhiiN| hiMsA nahIM hai aura ahiMsA bhI nahIM hai| jJAyaka to itanA hI jAnatA hai ki isa duniyA meM koI jIva maratA bhI nahIM hai aura koI mAra bhI nahIM sktaa| maratA bhI nahIM hai aura jItA bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : to phira pratikramaNa kyoM karanA hai? dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa to, jisane atikramaNa kiyA hai usake lie hai| vaha vyavahAra se hai, to vyavahAra meM loga kahate haiM na ki 'bhAI, beakla ho yA kyA?' aura khuda ko kahA~ pratikramaNa karanA hai| jo atikramaNa karatA

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 419 hai use pratikramaNa karanA hai| khuda ko to kucha karane ko rahA hI nahIM hai| pratikramaNa nahIM kareMge to paramANu zuddha hokara nahIM jaaeNge| unheM vApasa zuddha karanA par3egA n| praznakartA : jaba hama jJAyaka bhAva meM hote haiM taba cAritramoha meM doSa rUpI kucha dikhatA hai? cAritramoha meM acchA yA doSavAlA, aisA kucha nahIM hotA na? dAdAzrI : jJAyaka bhAva meM koI doSa nahIM dikhAI detaa| jJAyaka bhAva arthAt aMtima bhaav| phira deha cAhe kucha bhI kara rahI ho lekina yadi vahA~ para jJAyaka bhAva hai, to use koI doSa nahIM lgegaa| lekina aisI to jAgRti honI cAhie na? jJAyaka bhAva kyA koI laDDU khAne ke khela haiM? vaisA to sabhI jagaha gAte hI haiM na! jo ina A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai, vaha sArA jJAyaka bhAva nahIM khlaataa| aMdara sUkSma se sUkSma doSa dikhane lageM, taba jJAyaka bhAva kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : sUkSma se sUkSma doSa dikhAI deM, to ve kaise doSa dikhAI dete haiM? dAdAzrI : bhale hI kaisA bhI sUkSma se sUkSma, logoM meM use doSa mAnA hI nahIM jAtA, vaisaa| jaba vaise doSa dikhane lageM tb| nahIM hotA smRti kA saMga jJAyaka ko praznakartA : 'jAnapane ke isa tarapha jJeya hai, aura jAnapane kI dUsarI tarapha kI kucha bAteM sunane kA mana karatA hai, vaha btaaie| dAdAzrI : vaha jJAyaka kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : jo jJAyaka hotA hai usake lie jJeya aneka prakAra ke hote haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : jo jJAyaka hai vaha anaMta jJAnavAlA hai, isalie jJeya bhI anaMta haiN| jJAyaka svabhAva kaisA hai? anaMta jJAnavAlA hai| kyoM anaMta jJAna bhAga hai? kyoMki jJeya bhI anaMta haiM, islie|

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : aba jJAyaka bhAva ko smRti kA saMga nahIM hai, jJAyaka bhAva kA koI AdhAra hI nahIM hotA / 420 dAdAzrI : AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| praznakartA : hA~, to vahA~ para phira kyA hai? jJAyaka se Age kyA hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM hai| khuda jJAyaka hai, jAnanevAlA khuda hai, sabhI kucha khuda hI hai aura khuda, khuda ko jAnatA hai kyoMki yaha darpaNa jaisA hai, aMdara pUrI duniyA dikhAI detI hai / prayatna nahIM karanA par3atA / praznakartA : hA~, vaha to jAnapanA hai| dAdAzrI : jnyaayk| praznakartA : jnyaayk| lekina usameM jJAyaka AyA aura jaba hama jJAyaka se Age jAe~ taba kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : Age nahIM hai / yaha jJAyaka bhI kalpita vyavahAra ke lie hI hai| bAkI, jJAyaka bhI nahIM hai vaha / vahA~ to koI zabda hai hI nhiiN| vaha to abhI jaba taka hama vyavahAra meM haiM, tabhI taka hai / vahA~ pahu~cane taka / apane hisse meM yaha AyA hai aura jaba vaha hissA nahIM rahegA, taba vaha 'khuda' hI rhegaa| praznakartA: caMdUbhAI ko pichalI smRti kA saMga hai, caMdUbhAI ko isa smRti kA saMga hai aisA jAnanA, vaha jJAyakapanA hai ? I dAdAzrI : memarI kA besamenTa kyA hai ? rAga-dveSa / abhI taka, jaba taka vaha sabakucha rAga-dveSa se dekha rahA thA, taba taka memorI thii| aba vaha usa memorI ko jisa rAga-dveSa se dekha rahA thA, use bhI vaha khuda vItarAgatA se dekhatA hai| praznakartA : aba vItarAgatA se dekhatA hai to vaha jJAyakapanA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha jJAyakapanA hai I praznakartA : aba jJAyakapanA aura vItarAgatA hai, to phira usake bAda isa tarapha kucha bhI nahIM hai ?

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[4] jJAtA-dRSTA, jJAyaka 421 dAdAzrI : isa tarapha pIche kucha bhI nahIM hai| yaha aMtima zabda hai| zabda ke rUpa meM aMtima hai 'khud'| usake bAda kucha bhI nahIM hai, vaha khuda, khuda hI hai| usakA koI bhAga nahIM hai, vibhAjana nahIM hai, kucha bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : to isameM use hama isa taraha se kaha sakate haiM ki jJAyaka yoM dekhe to saMsAra hai aura isa tarapha dekhe to paramAtmA hai, aisA kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jJAyaka ko saMsAra dikhAI hI nahIM detaa| saMsAra dikhAI detA hai, vaha to jise yaha dehAdhyAsa hai use dikhAI detA hai| smRtivAle ko, rAga-dveSavAle ko saMsAra dikhAI detA hai| jJAyaka to tatvoM kI avasthAoM ko mAtra jAnatA hai, saMsAra meM vaha anya kucha bhI nahIM jaantaa| praznakartA : lekina avasthA ke rilezana meM hama jJAyaka kahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to jitanA jJeya dikhAI detA hai utanA jAnatA hai, anya koI smRti nahIM hai na! sabhI avasthAoM ko jAnatA hai| mujhe eka vyakti ne pUchA ki jJAnI ko to yaha sabakucha nahIM dikhAI detA hai na, yaha saMsAra? maiMne kahA, 'kyoM?' mujhe kyA sUrya girA huA dikhAI detA hogA? nahIM? aisA hI dikhAI detA hai| jaisA Apako dikhAI detA hai vaisA hI mujhe dikhAI detA hai lekina mere dekhane meM aura Apake dekhane meM pharka hai| praznakartA : aMbAlAla dekhate haiM, aisA Apa jAnate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, aMbAlAla dekhate haiM aisaa| jaise tere ye cazme dekhate haiM, usa taraha se| praznakartA : hA~, hA~, ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| Apa samajha gae aisaa| praznakartA : yAnI ki yaha jJAyakapanA jo eka ke lie haiM vahI anekoM ke lie hai| jo aMbAlAla ko dekhate haiM, ve samasta brahmAMDa ko dekha sakate haiM, ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai, samasta brahmAMDa ko dekhane kI zakti rakhate

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AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiM lekina abhI taka vaha sirpha hamArI samajha meM AyA hai, jJAna meM nahIM AyA hai| jJAna meM A jAegA to sabakucha dikhane lagegA / jJAyaka bhAva se pariNatiyA~ zuddha praznakartA : prakAza aisA cAhie ki kisI bhI taraha ke prazna upasthita hoM lekina jahA~ naz2ara ke sAmane prakAza AyA ki solyuzana A jaae| 422 dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI prakAza diyA hai Apako / aura mujha se milane ke bAda kauna-kauna se solyuzana nahIM Ae ? vaha bhI btaao| praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki abhI to hamArI jo pariNati hai usa pariNAma meM yadi vizuddhi ho taba to koI savAla hI nahIM hai, lekina pariNAma meM vizuddhi lAne ke lie kyA ho jAnA cAhie ki jo prakAza hai usake lakSa (jAgRti) se hI usakI vizuddhi Ae, vaha malinatA dUra ho jAe / usake bAda pariNati aura tatva eka ho jaaeN| dAdAzrI : Apa dekhate ho to pariNatiyA~ zuddha ho hI jAtI haiM / Apane vahA~ para dekhA na? ApakA agara jJAyaka svabhAva hai, Apa apane khuda ke jJAyaka svabhAva meM raho to azuddha pariNati zuddha hokara calI jaaegii| apanI pariNati apane pAsa zuddha hokara rahegI aura hama bhI zuddha hokara raheMge / niraMtara jJAyakatA vahI paramAtmA jinakA khuda kA jJAyaka svabhAva nahIM chUTe na, to ve paramAtmA ho ge| jitane samaya taka aMdara kharAba vicAra A rahe hoM aura usa samaya agara usake jJAyaka raheM to jAnanA ki thor3e bahuta paramAtmA ho ge| jinheM niraMtara jJAyakapanA rahe ve saMpUrNa paramAtmA kahalAte haiN| zuddhAtmA kA jJAyaka svabhAva hai, usa svabhAva kA phala kyA hai? paramAnaMda ! ! !

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AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva dakhalaMdAjI baMda vahI sAhajikatA praznakartA : Apake mata meM sAhajika kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : sAhajika arthAt mana-vacana-kAyA kI jo kriyAe~ ho rahI haiM, unameM dakhalaMdAjI na krnaa| use sAhajika kahate haiN| saMkSepa meM maiMne eka hI vAkya meM yaha bAta kI hai| kitanA samajha meM AtA hai isameM? nahIM samajha meM Ae to Age dUsarA vAkya bolU~? mana-vacana-kAyA kI jo kriyAe~ ho rahI haiM, unameM dakhalaMdAjI kI arthAt sAhajikatA TUTa gii| dakhalaMdAjI nahIM karanA, vaha sAhajikatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA bhAna TUTa jAtA hai, taba sahaja ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : aba jo AtmA ke bhAna meM A gayA, phira usakA jo vyavahAra hai vaha sArA sahaja vyavahAra hotA hai? dAdAzrI : khuda ke bhAna meM A gayA to phira vyavahAra se koI lenAdenA rahA hI nahIM na! vyavahAra calatA rhegaa| praznakartA : arthAt usakA vyavahAra udaya rUpa hotA hai? dAdAzrI : basa, aura kucha hai hI nhiiN| kartApana chUTa jAe, usake bAda vaha AtmA ke bhAna meM AtA hai| jaba kartApanA chUTa jAe to phira udaya svarUpa rhaa| DakhoDakhala nikAlane ke lie dAdA kI DakhoDakhala saMsAra kA artha kyA hai (vyavahAra) AtmA DakhoDakhala

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424 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) (dakhalaMdAjI) meM par3A hai| aura deha kA svabhAva kaisA hai? sahaja hai| agara (vyavahAra) AtmA DakhoDakhala nahIM kare to deha sahaja hai| deha bhI alaga aura AtmA bhI alg| vaha DakhoDakhala se baMdhana meM hai| ataH hama ye DakhoDakhala baMda karavA dete haiN| tU yaha (caMdUbhAI) nahIM hai, tU yaha (AtmA) hai| taba vaha DakhoDakhala baMda kara detA hai| ahaMkAra-mamatA cale ge| aba jitanI tU DakhoDakhala baMda karegA utanA hI usa (AtmA) rUpa hotA jAegA, shjruup| sahaja arthAt DakhoDakhala nahIM krnaa| yaha apane Apa cala rahA hai aura yaha bhI apane Apa cala rahA hai| ye donoM apane-apane tarIke se calate rahate haiN| AtmA apane svabhAva meM rahatA hai aura yaha deha apane svabhAva meM rahatI hai, dehAdhyAsa cale jAne ke kaarnn| dehAdhyAsa donoM ke ekAkAra hone kA saMdhisthAna thaa| vaha dehAdhyAsa calA gayA ataH aba yaha deha, deha ke kAma meM aura AtmA apane kAma meM, usI ko sahajatA kahate haiN| yaha abhI hama jo DakhoDakhala karate haiM, vaha ApakI DakhoDakhala nikAlane ke lie haiN| phira agara kisI ko aisA lage ki dAdA khuda hI DakhoDakhala karate haiM to use abhI taka samajha meM nahIM AyA hai| ve terI DakhoDakhala nikAlane ke lie kara rahe haiN| ve apanI DakhoDakhala nikAlakara ArAma se baiThe haiM aura terI nikAla dete haiN| DA~Takara nahIM, hNsaa-hNsaakr| jaise ha~sAne kI zarta na lagAI ho hamane! yaha to jJAnIpuruSa ApakI dakhala vagairaha, DakhoDakhala sArI baMda kara dete haiM aura ha~sA-ha~sAkara Age le jAte haiN| mUla AtmA aura prakRti sahaja haiM lekina vyavahAra AtmA asahaja praznakartA : mana-vacana-kAyA kI sahajatA aura AtmA kI sahajatA ke bAre meM z2arA samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : AtmA sahaja hI hai| yaha jJAna dene ke bAda zuddhAtmA lakSa meM AtA hai na, vaha apane Apa hI lakSa meM A jAtA hai| hameM yAda nahIM karanA pdd'taa| jise yAda rakheM usa cIz2a ko bhUla jAte haiN| yaha to niraMtara lakSa meM

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 425 rahatA hai| ise sahaja AtmA honA kahA jAtA hai| aba se mana-vacana-kAyA ko sahaja karane ke lie jaise-jaise jJAnIpuruSa kI AjJA kA pAlana karate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise mana-vacana-kAyA sahaja hote jaaeNge| praznakartA : isameM Apa kahate haiM ki sahaja bhAva se nikAla karanA hai, to sahaja bhAva vikasita karane kA tarIkA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : sahaja bhAva kA matalaba kyA hai? yaha jJAna milane ke bAda Apa zuddhAtmA ho gae, isalie Apa sahaja bhAva meM hI ho| kyoMki jaba ahaMkAra hAz2ira nahIM rahatA taba sahaja bhAva hI rahatA hai| ahaMkAra kA ebsensa kA matalaba hI sahaja bhaav| yaha jJAna le liyA arthAt ApakA ahaMkAra ebsenTa hai| Apa jo aisA mAnate the ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aba nahIM mAnate ho na? to ho gayA! kahatA hai, 'maiMne vakAlata kI aura maiMne chur3avA diyA aura maiMne aisAaisA kiyA na aura maiM saMDAsa jAkara A gayA!' ohoho, 'kala kyoM nahIM gae the?' taba kahatA hai 'kala to DaoNkTara ko bulAnA par3A, ruka gayA thA aNdr|' sakriyatA balki bar3ha jAtI hai isse| ahaMkAra kI vajaha se sakriyatA hai| ahaMkAra kI vajaha se sabakucha bigar3a gayA hai| yaha ahaMkAra dUra ho jAe to sabakucha regyUlara ho jAegA, sAhajika ho jAegA phir| ahaMkAra sabakucha bigAr3a detA hai, khuda kA hI bigAr3atA hai aura agara sAhajikatA ho to sabakucha sudaMra calatA hai| praznakartA : deha kI saMpUrNa sahajatA, vaha bhagavAna hai| AtmA kI sahajatA bhagavAna nahIM khlaatii| deha sahaja ho jAe to AtmA sahaja ho jAtA hai| AtmA sahaja ho jAe to deha apaneApa sahaja ho jAtA hai na! kyA donoM anyonya nahIM haiM? dAdAzrI : AtmA to sahaja hI hai| 'deha kI saMpUrNa sahajatA, vahI bhagavAna hai' vaha ThIka hai, vaha bAta sahI hai| deha kI saMpUrNa sahajatA ho jAe

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426 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) to phira bhgvaan| deha sahaja bhAva se kisI ko dhaula lagA rahA ho to bhI bhagavAna! praznakartA : AtmA kI sahajatA ko bhagavAna nahIM kahate? dAdAzrI : AtmA kI sahajatA to, AtmA to khuda sahaja hI hai| yaha bAhara kA sahaja ho jAe na to khuda sahaja hI hai| bAhara kA sahaja nahIM ho pAtA n| praznakartA : yaha ThIka se samajha meM nahIM AyA abhI tk| dAdAzrI : AtmA sahaja ho jAe to deha apane Apa sahaja ho jAtI hai, yAnI isakA matalaba hai ki vyavahAra AtmA sahaja ho jAe to deha sahaja ho hI jAegI lekina mUla AtmA to sahaja hai| yaha vyavahAra AtmA kA hI jhaMjhaTa hai saaraa| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai na, ki sahaja bhAva se dhaula lagAnA, to kyA dhaula sahaja bhAva se ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, ho sakatI hai dhaul| praznakartA : dAdA jo saba ko prasAdI dete haiM na, bUTa kI.... dAdAzrI : vaha saba sahaja bhAva se hai| sahaja bhAva matalaba 'maiM mAra rahA hU~' aisA bhAna nahIM hotA, 'maiM mAra rahA hU~' aisA jJAna nahIM hotA aura 'maiM mAra rahA hU~' aisI zraddhA nahIM hotI, use kahate haiM sahaja bhaav| aura jaba hama sahaja bhAva se mArate haiM to du:kha nahIM hotA kisI ko! praznakartA : jJAnI ke alAvA aura koI sahaja bhAva se dhaula lagA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, sahaja bhAva ho, to lagA sakatA hai| praznakartA : yadi jJAnI ke alAvA aura koI dhaula lagAe to sAmanevAle ko duHkha hue bagaira rahatA hI nhiiN|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 427 dAdAzrI : duHkha ho jAe taba to phira vaha sahajatA nahIM hai| kucha na kucha bigAr3a hai usameM, nahIM to duHkha nahIM honA caahie| hamArA sabakucha sahaja hai| isalie sahajatA kI tarapha jAnA hai| yaha sahajatA kA mArga hai| no laoN (kAyadA) laoN, sahajatA meM le jAne ke lie hI hai| laoN ho to sahajatA kaise AegI? abhI jaise maiM yahA~ para baiThA hU~, aise nahIM baitthte| vaisA kucha AyA ho na, to sparza nahIM krtaa| ve sabhI bAteM sAhajikatA nahIM haiN| sAhajika arthAt jaise ThIka lage vaise rhe| dUsarA vicAra hI nahIM Ae ki ye loga mujhe kyA kaheMge yA aisA saba nahIM honA caahie| arthAt yaha sAhajikatA vagairaha yoM yaha saba dekhoge to Apako patA cala jAegA ki ye bhAI aise haiN| praznakartA : ahaMkAra bhI sAhajika ho jAtA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : vaha pahacAna jAe~ge hama, mUlataH ahaMkAra aMdhA hai| vaha cAhe kahIM bhI jAe lekina aMdhA hai isalie usakA patA cala jAtA hai| TakarAe bagaira rahatA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : hA~, to phira vahA~ para sAhajika nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! jahA~ ahaMkAra ho vahA~ para sAhajikatA hogI hI nahIM na! ahaMkAra se rukI hai pUrNAhuti praznakartA : ahaMkAra hamezA avarodhakAraka hai yA upayogI bhI hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ke bagaira to isa duniyA meM ye bAteM bhI nahIM likhI jA sktiiN| ciTThI likhanI ho na, vaha bhI ahaMkAra kI gairahAz2irI meM nahIM likhI jA sktii| ahaMkAra do prakAra ke haiN| eka DiscArja hotA huA (mRtaprAya) ahaMkAra, jo laTU jaisA hai aura dUsarA cArja hotA huA (jIvita) ahaMkAra, jo zUravIra jaisA hai| lar3atA bhI hai, jhagar3atA bhI hai, sabhI kucha karatA hai| DiscArja ahaMkAra ke hAtha meM to kucha bhI nahIM hai becAre ke, mAno jaise laTU ghUma rahA ho / arthAt ahaMkAra ke bagaira to duniyA meM kucha

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428 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ho hI nahIM paataa| yaha ciTThI bhI nahIM likhI jA sakatI na! lekina vaha DiscArja hotA huA ahaMkAra hai| Apako parezAna nahIM krtaa| ahaMkAra ke bagaira to kArya hI nahIM ho sktaa| hameM bolanA par3atA hai ki 'maiM saMDAsa jA AyA, mujhe saMDAsa jAnA hai|' ahaMkAra hastAkSara kare tabhI kArya ho pAtA hai, nahIM to kArya nahIM ho paataa| praznakartA : Apake lie sahaja ho cukA hai sabakucha? dAdAzrI : phira bhI kisI jagaha para chUte hI (DiscArja) ahaMkAra khatma ho jAtA hai taba sahaja ho jAtA hai| sahaja hai, phira bhI kisI-kisI jagaha para ye raha jAte haiM, chIMTe (nishaan)| kyoMki rAstA pUrNa nahIM huA hai taba taka kucha chIMTe rahate haiN| tabhI pUrNa nahIM ho pAtA na! usake lie nahIM, lekina jo chIMTe raha gae haiM, unake alAvA kyA hai? to kahate haiM, 'sabakucha sahaja hai|' aura Apako bhI kucha-kucha sahaja hotA jA rahA hai, lekina chIMTe z2arA z2yAdA haiN| isalie Apako aisA hI lagatA hai ki lAla (saMlagna) hI dikha rahA hai| praznakartA : usI ko citraNa kahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha to abhI taka hisAba nahIM cukAyA hai| citraNa kA to aisA hai na ki jise projekTa kiyA hotA hai, usI cIz2a kA citraNa AtA hai| projekTa! usa citraNa ke rUpaka meM Ane ke bAda usase koI lenA-denA nahIM rahatA iskaa| ye jitane hada taka sahaja nahIM hue haiM ve sabhI chIMTevAle haiM, kAphI kucha sahaja ho gayA hai| sahaja svabhAva se hI baratate haiN| praznakartA : arthAt eka jagaha para jo pUrA ahaMkAra yoM hI sAdhAraNa rUpa se baratatA hai, yoM hI hara samaya usake bajAya hamArA kama yA z2yAdA baratatA hai| dAdAzrI : Apako pA~ca-pA~ca minaTa meM thor3A breka DAuna ho jAtA hai| phira bar3hatA jAtA hai| jaise-jaise sahajatA bar3hatI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise vaha kama hotA jAtA hai| jaba se jJAna diyA, tabhI se sahajatA bar3hatI jAegI aura asahajatA kama hotI jaaegii| aura mUlataH phira sArAMza kyA hai? aMtima

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 429 sTezana kyA hai? to vaha hai, AtmA sahaja sthiti meM aura deha bhI sahaja sthiti meM, vahI aMtima sTezana hai| donoM apane-apane sahaja svabhAva meN| praznakartA : kalpanA karanI muzkila hai usa sahajatA kii| dAdAzrI : hA~, kalpanA hai nahIM hai! kalpanA meM vaha A nahIM sakatA na! kalpanA kA jAla, usakI sarakamapharansa eriyA (paridhi eriyA) itanA choTA hotA hai, jabaki sahajatA kA to bahuta bar3A eriyA hai| zaktiyA~ mA~gane se jAgRti bar3hatI hai praznakartA : sahajatA kI limiTa kitanI? dAdAzrI : niraMtara sahajatA hI rhegii| sahajatA rahegI lekina jitanI AjJA pAloge, utanI sahajatA rhegii| AjJA hI dharma aura AjJA hI tapa hai, utanI mukhya cIz2a hai| hamane kyA kahA hai ki yadi AjJA pAlana karoge to hamezA samAdhi rhegii| gAliyA~ de, cAhe mAre phira bhI sAmAdhi na jAe, aisI smaadhi| subaha-subaha taya hI karanA hai ki dAdA ApakI AjJA meM hI raheM aisI zakti diijie| aisA taya karane ke bAda dhIre-dhIre bar3hatA jaaegaa| praznakartA : zuruAta meM jJAna lene ke bAda isI anusAra karate jAe~ aura apanA bhAva pakkA hotA jAe aura vaise-vaise phira aura adhika AjJA meM raha pAte haiN| dAdAzrI : aura adhika raha pAte haiN| apane jJAna meM, akrama vijJAna meM sAmAnya rUpa se caudaha sAla kA korsa hai| unameM se bhI agara koI bahuta kacce hoM na, to unheM z2yAdA TAima lagatA hai aura jo bahuta pakke hoM unheM gyAraha sAla meM hI ho jAtA hai| yoM niSThA bar3hatI jAtI hai, lekina caudaha sAla kA korsa hai apnaa| caudaha sAla meM sahaja ho jAtA hai| mana-vacana-kAyA bhI sahaja ho jAte haiM, shj| ____ 'koI DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) nahIM karU~ aisI zakti dIjie' caraNavidhi meM aisA roz2a bolate haiM, isalie vaha vAkya logoM ke lie acchA

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430 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kAma karatA hai| aura yadi vaha jAnatA hI nahIM ho ki DakhoDakhala nahIM karanI hai taba DakhoDakhala ho jAtI hai bAra-bAra aura phira pachatAvA hotA hai| yaha kaisA hai? 'kalyANa ho' hamane aisA bhAva bolA ho to usakA asara hotA hai| aura agara aisA kucha na bole hoM to phira usakA asara nahIM hotA taba ulTe pariNAma Ate haiN| ThIka se, acche pariNAma nahIM aate| praznakartA : khuda puruSa ho jAne ke bAda agara apanI prakRti kharAba ho to use sudhArane kA puruSArtha karanA cAhie yA sirpha dekhate rahane kA hI puruSArtha karanA hai? dAdAzrI : sudhArane kA koI bhI puruSArtha nahIM karanA hai| vaha to aba sudharegI nhiiN| usakA nikAla hI karanA hai| chalanI se jitanA chana gayA utanA ThIka hai aura agara nahIM chanA to vApasa chAnanA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : to phira aMdara 'DakhoDakhala nahIM karU~' aisA bolane kI z2arUrata hI kahA~ rahI? dAdAzrI : vaha to, 'DakhoDakhala nahIM karU~' aisA jo bolate haiM na, to usI anusAra rAste para A jAtA hai| phira vaha dakhala nahIM karatA hai| aura agara nahIM boleM to phira vaisI hI dakhala kregaa| praznakartA : hama pudgala se honevAlI kriyAe~ dekha rahe hoM to usameM DakhoDakhala kahA~ para ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : usameM DakhoDakhala nahIM hotii| jaba hama caraNavidhi par3hate haiM usa samaya 'DakhoDakhala nahIM karU~ aisI zakti diijie|' subaha Apa aisA bolate ho na to pUre dina vaha jJAna rahatA hai| DakhoDakhala nahIM krte| jaise hamane kisI se kahA ho ki 'vahA~ para jA rahe ho lekina sinemA meM mata jAnA, haM!' to phira vaha jJAna use vahA~ para hAz2ira rahatA hai, usakI vajaha se vApasa A jAtA hai| nahIM to agara hamane nahIM kahA ho to sinemA meM jA AtA hai| isalie isa para se, kyA nimitta banegA, vaha hameM patA cala jAtA hai| DiscArja meM kyA bolatA hai, usase hameM patA cala jAtA hai ki kyA nimitta bnegaa| bahuta sUkSma bAta kaha rahA hU~ yaha Apako !

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 431 vApasa le lenI haiM DakhoDakhala praznakartA : bombe meM jo krikeTa meca sTArTa ho rahA hai| use yahA~ se apane eka-do loga dekhane jAnevAle haiN| to maiMne unase kahA ki 'tU subaha dAdA ke darzana karane nahIM jAtA aura tU kahatA hai ki mujhe dukAnavAle pArTanara DA~Tate haiM to ina pA~ca dinoM ke lie tujhe kaise jAne deMge? tujhe DA~TeMge nahIM ve?' to yaha jo maiMne bAta kI, to kyA usameM DakhoDakhala hai? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para hama kyA kahate ki 'bhAI, kyA-kyA dekhane jA rahA hai?' taba yadi vaha kahe, 'maiM meca dekhane muMbaI jA rahA huuN|' to hama kahate, 'usake binA cale aisA nahIM hai?' taba yadi vaha kahe, 'nahIM, jAnA hI pdd'egaa|' taba hama kahate, 'ThIka hai|' rokane se rokA nahIM jA sakatA! aisA kahakara zabda vApasa le lene caahie| praznakartA : jo kahA vaha DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) ho gaI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, agara ve zabda vApasa nahIM leMge to DakhoDakhala ho jaaegii| nahIM to vaha kahegA bhI sahI ki caMdUbhAI binA bAta ke Tokate rahate haiN| isalie kahane ke bAda hameM use vApasa le lenA cAhie ki 'nahIM ThIka hai|' hama aisA kahate haiM, lekina hama to ve zabda vApasa le lete haiN| hameM nahIM kahanA cAhie aapko| isa taraha agara zabda vApasa nahIM loge to use 'dakhala' karanA kahA jaaegaa| dakhala karane se dakhalaMdAjI ho jAtI hai| hama to use kaheMge lekina prakRti chor3egI nahIM na! vaha khuda nahIM khtaa| vaha sabhI karAra karake AyA ho, phira bhI karAra tor3akara calA jAtA hai kyoMki prakRti se baMdhA huA hai| DiscArja haiM vaha krm| isalie kisI ko sAdhAraNa rUpa se bhI TokanA nahIM caahie| use itanA hI kahanA cAhie ki 'satsaMga meM aanaa|' paoNz2iTiva bolanA, negeTiva mata bolanA, negeTiva meM saba jagaha dakhalaMdAz2I ho jaaegii| kaheMge to phira usake zabda hameM vApasa mileMge ki 'nhiiN| mujhe jAnA pdd'egaa| Apa manA kara rahe ho lekina mujhe jAnA hai|' to phira hameM samajha jAnA hai ki yaha dakhala kI, isalie

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432 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) yaha dakhalaMdAz2I ho gii| hamase aisA nahIM hotaa| hama ve zabda turaMta vApasa le lete haiN| hama jAnate haiM ki jo honA hai usameM usakA bhI calanevAlA nahIM hai aura merA bhI calanevAlA nahIM hai| bekAra hI kyoM usameM dakhala kareM! praznakartA : to subaha uThakara caraNavidhi meM karate haiM na hama, to isameM vaha cIz2a helpa karatI hai? vaha hameM sAmanevAle ko Tokane se rokatI hai? dAdAzrI : ise samajha leM to helpaphula rahegI! bharA huA mAla to nikalegA hI praznakartA : isa saMsAra meM DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) kie bagaira kyoM nahIM rahA jA sakatA? dAdAzrI : vaha to aisA hai ki usakI prekTisa hai| prekTisa baMda karanI par3egI ki 'aba DakhoDakhala kabhI bhI nahIM ho,' aisI cAbI ghumAte raheM to phira dUsarA koI thor3A-bahuta mAla hogA, to usake nikala jAne ke bAda baMda ho jaaegii| praznakartA : kyoMki yadi hameM sahaja rahanA ho aura dekhate rahanA ho to DakhoDakhala bilkula bhI kAma kI nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to pahale kA bharA huA mAla nikale bagaira rahegA nhiiN| use hama dekheM to sahaja hI haiN| prakRti sahaja ho jAegI, donoM sahaja ho jAe~ge taba hala A jAegA lekina abhI to eka bhI sahaja ho jAe to bahuta ho gyaa| bharA huA mAla to phUTe bagaira rahegA hI nahIM na! bharA huA mAla nApasaMda ho phira bhI nikalatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : purAnI AdateM aura svabhAva par3e hue haiM, aba vaha to prakRti hai| Apa jJAna dete haiM taba AtmA aura prakRti, donoM ko alaga kara dete haiN| agara hama zuddhAtmA svarUpa meM raheM, khuda ke sahaja svarUpa meM, to usake sAmane prakRti bhI bilkula sahaja ho jAnI cAhie na? dAdAzrI : AtmA to sahaja hI hai| Apa jitane sahaja hue utanI hI prakRti sahaja huI kahI jaaegii|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 433 praznakartA : aba usakI prakRti agara sahaja nahIM rahe to vaha dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, utanI kamI hai, phAiloM kA nikAla karane meM utanI hI dera lagatI hai| utanI jAgRti utpanna nahIM huI hai| jAgRti nirbala hai| pratyeka kSaNa jAgRti rahanI caahie| taba lagatI hai muhara mokSa kI praznakartA : mokSa kI sthiti prApta kara lI hai, aisA kaba mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : mokSa kI sthiti, Apa kisI ko gAliyA~ do na, taba bhI Apa mokSa meM hI ho lekina anya koI gAliyA~ nahIM de rahA hai, phira bhI mokSa meM nahIM hai| vaha kisa taraha se samajha meM Ae ina logoM ko? AtmA kI sahaja sthiti aura deha kI sahaja sthiti, vahI mokSa hai| deha kI sahaja sthiti arthAt Apane kisI ko dhakkA mAra diyA na, taba bhI maiM jAnatA hU~ ki AtmA yaha nahIM kara rahA hai| Apa nahIM kara rahe ho| Apako aisA patA calatA hai na ki Apa nahIM kara rahe ho? ApakI icchA nahIM hai phira bhI ho jAtA hai, vaha dekhanA hai, vaha deha kI sahaja sthiti hai| usameM DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) kareM taba bhI vApasa sahaja sthiti calI jaaegii| praznakartA : AtmA kI aisI sahaja sthiti prApta hone ke bAda sabhI meM kitanA samaya TikatI hai? dAdAzrI : hamezA ke lie TikatI hai| yaha hamezA rahe tabhI mokSa kahalAegA na! yahIM para mokSa ho jAnA caahie| yahA~ para lagabhaga paMdraha haz2Ara logoM kA mokSa ho hI cukA hai, bAkI ke sabhI usakI taiyArI meM haiN| kucha logoM kA ho gayA hai, kucha logoM kA hotA jA rahA hai| pahale ciMtA baMda ho jAnI caahie| praznakartA : hamArA naMbara lagegA kyA? dAdAzrI : ApakI icchA hogI to lagegA, ApakI icchA nahIM to nahIM

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434 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) lgegaa| abhI taka nahIM thI isalie nahIM lgaa| yadi icchA hogI, to naMbara lgegaa| ina sabhI kA lagA hai to phira ApakA kyoM nahIM lagegA? kyoMki samajha meM nahIM AyA thA ki yaha kyA hai? isa varlDa meM samajha meM kaise Ae? yaha alaukika cIz2a dasa lAkha sAloM meM eka hI bAra prakaTa hotI hai, aisI cIz2a hai| akrama vijJAna se strI-puruSa saMsAra meM rahakara bhI mokSa bhogate haiN| dekho Apako saMsAra meM sabhI taraha kI chUTa dI hai n| dasa lAkha sAla meM prakaTa hotA hai, jabaki maiM to sirpha nimitta bana gayA huuN| sArA kAma nikAla lenA hai| dekhane se jAte haiM aMtarAya praznakartA : mokSa prApti sahaja hai| isa sahaja meM jo aMtarAya Ate haiM, unako rokanA puruSArtha hai to yaha samajhAie ki aMtarAya kauna-kauna se haiM? dAdAzrI : ve apane pUrvajanma ke kie hue hastakSepa haiM, apanI dakhalaMdAz2iyA~ haiN| praznakartA : haaN| lekina kauna-kauna sI dAdA? dAdAzrI : ye sabhI dakhalaMdAz2iyA~ hotI haiM to phira patA calatA hai na ! kar3avA phala Ae to jAnanA ki hamane kisI ko duHkha diyA thaa| mIThA Ae to kisI ko sukha diyA thaa| aisA use mAlUma ho jAtA hai na! praznakartA : ye jo sAre aMtarAya ho cuke haiM unakA nivAraNa karane ke lie, unheM TAlane ke lie, unheM nikAlane meM puruSArtha rahA huA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| lekina puruSArtha kA matalaba sirpha 'dekhanA' hai, aMtarAyoM ko dekhanA haiN| aura kucha nahIM karanA hai| haTAne ke lie to haTAnevAle kI z2arUrata par3egI vApasa / yAnI ki saMyogoM ko haTAnA gunAha hai| jo saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke haiM, unheM haTAnA gunAha hai| ataH hameM sirpha dekhate hI rahanA hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, kyA yaha bAta satya hai ki mokSa prApti ke isa puruSArtha meM koI kartApana nahIM hai| yaha ThIka hai?

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 435 dAdAzrI : vastu sahaja hai| praznakartA : to phira yaha apanA svabhAva hai? AtmA kA? dAdAzrI : vaha to AtmA kA svabhAva hai| jaise yaha pAnI misIsipI nadI meM se nikalatA hai to yoM tIna hajAra mIla taka calakara samudra ko DhUMDha hI nikAlatA hai| usakA svabhAva hai, sahaja svabhAva hai| praznakartA : usa svabhAva meM Ane ke lie puruSArtha karanA par3atA hai na? dAdAzrI : vibhAvika puruSArtha kareM to mila pAegA kyA? pAgala iMsAna puruSArtha karake samajhadAra bana jAe, aisA ho sakatA hai kyA? ataH samajhadAra iMsAna kI zaraNa meM jAnA hai aura kahanA ki Apa kRpA kiijie| praznakartA : nahIM! Apa kahate haiM na dAdA, ki mokSa do ghaMTe meM mila jAtA hai| sarva prathama agara jJAnI se milane ke aMtarAya cale jAe~ to! dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina ve aMtarAya jAte nahIM haiM na! aMtarAya DAle hue praznakartA : hA~, lekina Apane aisA kahA hai ki 'use sirpha dekhane ko hI kahA hai, jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva se|' dAdAzrI : dekhanA hI pdd'egaa| jo aMtarAya haiM, ve saMyogoM ke rUpa meM Ate haiM aura ve svayaM hI viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| unheM dekhane se hI chuTakArA hogaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, usake lie to kitane janma lene par3eMge? to kyA ye saba nikAlI haiM, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : nikAlI hI haiN| logoM ko yaha samajha meM nahIM Ane kI vajaha se hI yaha gar3abar3a kI hai| samajha lo na ki nikAlI haiM ! yadi grahaNIya kareMge to cipaka pdd'eNge| yadi tyAga kareMge to ahaMkAra pakar3a legaa| tyAga karanevAle bhI ahaMkArI hote haiM aura tyAga kA phala Age jAkara milatA hai|

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436 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) loga bhI kahate haiM, 'tyAge so aage|' aisA kahate haiM ki Apako agara devagati kA sukha bhoganA ho to yahA~ para 'eka strI ko chodd'o|' ataH hameM to tyAga aura grahaNa kisI kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| nikAla kI z2arUrata hai| sabhI saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke haiM aura saMyoga apanI dakhalaMdAjI se khar3e ho gae haiN| yoM dakhalaMdAjI nahIM kI hotI to saMyoga khar3e hI nahIM hote abhI tk| jaba taka jJAna nahIM milA thA, taba taka dakhalaMdAjI karate hI rahate the aura mana meM gumAna lekara ghUmate the ki maiM bhagavAna ke dharma kA pAlana karatA hU~! praznakartA : saMyogoM meM se sahaja meM gayA isalie phira chUTa gayA na, phira sahajatA meM hI A gayA na? dAdAzrI : sahajatA meM rahane se saMyoga chUTa jAte haiN| khuda sahajatA meM gayA to saMyoga chUTa ge| saMyogoM meM se khuda sahajatA meM jA sakatA hai aura sahajatA meM jAne ke bAda saMyoga chUTa jAte haiN| praznakartA : aba saMyoga bhI sahajatA meM Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, saMyogoM meM se sahajatA meM jAtA hai| saMyoga sahaja nahIM ho sakate na! sahaja alaga cIz2a hai aura saMyoga alaga cIz2a hai| jahA~ nahIM haiM rAga-dveSa, vahA~ sahajatA praznakartA : aba jJAna ke bAda to AtmA khuda ke svabhAva meM hI A jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : aura pudgala apane svabhAva meM A gyaa| pudgala niyama meM A gayA kyoMki jo dakhalaMdAjI karanevAlA thA, vaha haTa gyaa| pudgala hamezA niyamabaddha hI hotA hai lekina yadi dakhalaMdAjI karanevAlA nahIM ho to| isa injana meM aMdara saba koyale vagairaha bharakara bAkI saba kampalITa karake aura DrAivara nahIM ho to basa calate rahane kA usakA svabhAva hI hai| aMdara dakhalaMdAjI karanevAlA vaha baiThA huA ho to basa ko khar3A rakhatA hai, phira vApasa calAtA hai| pudgala meM yadi DakhoDakhala nahIM kI jAe na, to vaha zuddha

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 437 hotA hI jAegA lekina ye DakhoDakhala karate haiN| dakhala karane se phira dakhalaMdAz2I ho jAtI hai| DakhoDakhala karanevAlA kauna hai? ve ajJAna mAnyatAe~ aura phira vAMdhA aura vacakA (Apatti uThAte haiM aura burA laga jAtA hai)| praznakartA : deha sahaja ho jAe, to aisA kaheMge ki dehAdhyAsa gayA? dAdAzrI : koI jeba kATa le aura vaha cIz2a Apako chUe taka nahIM to dehAdhyAsa gyaa| deha ko kisI bhI taraha se koI parezAna kare to use dekhanA hai| lekina agara use svIkAra kara leM to dehAdhyAsa hai| 'mujhe aisA kyoM kiyA' kahA to vaha hai dehaadhyaas| praznakartA : deha sahaja ho gaI hai, aisA kaba mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : apanI deha ko koI kucha bhI kare, phira bhI agara hameM rAga-dveSa na hoM, to use kahate haiM shj| hameM dekhakara yaha samajha jaao| hameM koI cAhe kucha bhI kare to bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| sahaja arthAt jJAnI kI bhASA meM jise sahaja kahA jAtA hai| deha sahaja ho jAe arthAt dehAdhyAsa gyaa| sahaja arthAt svAbhAvika, usameM kudaratI rUpa se svAbhAvika rahatA hai, usameM vibhAvika dazA nahIM hai| aisA bhAna nahIM hai ki 'usameM maiM khuda huuN|' praznakartA : yaha to Apane deha kI sahajatA kA prakAra batAyA lekina hamArA aisA sahaja kaba hogA? dAdAzrI : sahaja to Apane yaha jo jJAna liyA hai na to vaha usake bhAna meM pariNAmita hone para ye sabhI karma kama ho jAe~ge to sahaja hotA jaaegaa| sahaja ho rahA hai| abhI bhI vaha eka-eka aMza karake saMpUrNa sahaja ho jaaegaa| dehAdhyAsa chUTa jAe to sahaja kI ora jAtA rahegA arthAt abhI bhI sahaja ho hI rahA hai| jitane aMzoM taka sahaja ho jAe utane aMzoM taka samAdhi utpanna hotI hai| hama sahaja rahate haiM pUre dina kyoMki hama eka kSaNabhara ke lie bhI isa deha ke mAlika nahIM haiN| isa vANI ke mAlika nahIM haiM aura isa mana ke

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438 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) mAlika nahIM haiN| zarIra kA mAlikIpanA chabbIsa sAla se calA gayA hai aura chabbIsa sAla se eka sekanDa ke lie bhI samAdhi gaI nahIM hai| hameM dhaula lagAe taba bhI hameM smaadhi| hama AzIrvAda dete haiM use| dakhala ko nikAlanA yA usase judA rahanA? praznakartA : yaha dakhalaMdAz2I hai to usakA hameM khuda ko kaise patA calegA? dAdAzrI : sabakucha patA cala sakatA hai, khuda agara taTastha bhAva se dekhe na, to! AtmA tharmAmITara hai| Apa jitanA kaho utanA nApa nikAla degaa| praznakartA : yaha jo khuda kI dakhalaMdAz2I hai aura prakRti khuda ke svabhAva meM hai, to ina donoM ke bIca meM pharka kaise patA calegA? prakRti apane svabhAva ke anusAra do Diza AiskrIma hI khAtI hai, to isameM khuda kI dakhalaMdAjI kauna sI? dAdAzrI : yaha dakhalaMdAz2I z2yAdA khilAtI hai aura kyA karegI? 'khAne jaisA nahIM hai| haM! ThaMDI hai| galA kharAba ho jaaegaa|' vaha bhI dakhalaMdAjI hai| khAne nahIM de aura jyAdA khilA de, ye donoM dakhalaMdAz2iyA~ tho praznakartA : to usakA saMtulana kaise rakhA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : agara dakhalaMdAjI nahIM kare to apane Apa hI saMtulana rhegaa| praznakartA : koI bhI cIz2a apane Apa calatI rahatI hai lekina hamArI kucha na kucha dakhala rahatI hai| dAdAzrI : yaha saba dakhala hI hai| jitanA kama ho sake utanA acchA! sinemA kI dakhala kama huI, rAta ko nahIM khAtA vaha dakhala bhI kama huI, hoTala meM nahIM jAtA vaha dakhala bhI kama huI, kitanI sArI dakhaleM kama ho gaIM!

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 439 praznakartA : lekina abhI bhI bahuta sArI haiM na? abhI bhI haiM, bahuta dakhaleM haiM! dinabhara meM jinheM pahacAna nahIM pAte, unakA kyA? dAdAzrI : sabhI pahacAnI jA sakatI haiN| jaba tU karatA hai taba patA cala jAtA hai ki yaha dakhala ho rahI hai vaaps| tharmAmITara ko kyA dera lage batAne meM ki kitanA bukhAra AyA hai? praznakartA : patA calatA hai ki yaha dakhala ho gaI hai lekina jAtI nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : use nikAlanA nahIM hai, usase alaga rahanA hai| alaga raheMge to aMdara dakhala baMda ho jaaegii| khuda ke svabhAva meM rahA jA skegaa| mehamAna rasoI meM nahIM jAtA hai to mehamAna kitanA kImatI mAnA jAtA hai aura rasoI meM jAkara kar3hI hilAne baiTha jAe to? usI taraha yaha mehamAna kahIM bhI jAe, vahA~ para dakhala hI karatA hai| yaha mehamAna aisA karatA hai| praznakartA : Apane kahA na ki tharmAmITara sabhI kucha batA detA hai, to vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : vahI, prajJA cetAvanI de-dekara mokSa meM le jAtI hai| praznakartA : prajJAzakti to use batAne kA kAma karatI hI rahatI hai, usameM hamane dakhala kI? dAdAzrI : dakhala karate haiN| cetAvanI detI hai phira bhI usakI sunate nahIM hai aura dakhala karane se to laMbe TAima taka calatA hai phir| cetAvanI kise detA hai? dakhala karanevAle ko cetAvanI detA hai ki 'aisA kyoM kara rahA hai tU? isase kyA phAyadA milegA?!' phira bhI yaha karatA rahatA hai| isa taraha prajJAzakti kA svabhAva aisA hai ki use cetAvanI die bagaira rahatI hI nhiiN| praznakartA : usa samaya bhagavAna kyA kara rahe hote haiM? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna to udAsIna, viitraag|

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440 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dakhala nikAle dakhala ko praznakartA : yaha dakhala huI aura hamane nizcaya kiyA ki aba yaha dakhala nahIM karanI hai, to yaha naI dakhala nahIM kahalAegI? dAdAzrI : vaha dakhala hai lekina vaha dakhala pahalevAlI dakhala ko nikAla detI hai na? pahalevAlI dakhala ko nikAlakara yaha dakhala hotI hai n| yaha dakhala uttama hai| praznakartA : dakhala-dakhala ko nikAlatI hai lekina usake bAda kyA yaha dakhala raha jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : yaha dakhala to apane Apa calI jAtI hai| bAda meM nikAlanI nahIM pdd'tii| 'saba cale jAo' aisA kaheMge to cale jAe~ge! basa! nikAlanA nahIM pdd'egaa| tujhe aisA lagatA thA ki nikAlanA par3egA ise? yaha dakhala hai lekina yaha dakhala apane Apa calI jAegI! hama kaheM ki aba yahA~ ApakA kAma pUrA ho gayA hai, cale jAo, to calA jaaegaa| lekina vaha pahalevAlI dakhala aise nahIM jaatii| pahalevAlI dakhala isa dakhala se jaaegii| mokSa mArga to bahuta muzkila hai| usa tarapha eka iMca bhI Age bar3hanA bahuta kImatI mAnA jAtA hai| koI kahe ki AtmA alaga hai to vaha bar3A sAinTisTa mAnA jAtA thaa| use patA calA ki yaha judA hai, anya kucha nahIM hai| Apa to usase bhI Age pahu~ca ge| caMdUbhAI AiskrIma khAne baiThe aura agara usameM dakhala nahIM kare to do Diza khAkara uTha jAe~ge lekina isane to aura dakhala kI ki 'yaha acchI hai, are bhAI, do-cAra-pA~ca khA lo na!' praznakartA : yAnI ki vaha khuda dakhala karatA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| aba vahA~ para prajJA use cetAvanI detI hai, 'are bhAI, aisA kisalie?'

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 441 praznakartA : 'tIna-cAra khA lo' aisA kauna batAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI! terA cAritramoha! cAritramoha ko vilaya bhI kiyA jA sakatA hai! yoM dekho, jJAtA-dRSTA raho to calA jaaegaa| aura agara jAgRti nahIM rakhI aura nizcaya nahIM kiyA to cAritramoha penDiMga rahegA! praznakartA : prajJAzakti dikhAtI hai na, vahA~ se to nikAlA jA sakatA hai, aisA hai| arthAt dakhalaMdAjI baMda ho jAe, aisA saMbhava hai| dAdAzrI : sahI hai| praznakartA : phira, vANI se bhI DakhoDakhala (dakhalaMdAjI) ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, hotI hai| sabhI meM DakhoDakhala to hotI hai na! vartana se bhI DakhoDakhala hotI hai| 'calo' kahate haiM, 'jaldI hai!' utAvalA ho jAtA hai| kyA vahA~ gAr3I chUTa jAnevAlI hai? nhiiN| yoM to abhI taka dera hai lekina sabhI jagaha para DakhoDakhala hI karatA rahatA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to DakhoDakhala baMda praznakartA : aba isakA upAya batAie, dAdA! DakhoDakhala baMda karane kA upAya btaaie| dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAo to DakhoDakhala baMda ho jaaegii| jJAtA-dRSTA to khuda kA guNadharma hai| vaha jo cAritramoha AyA hai use jAno ki yaha cAritramoha hai| use dekhanA aura jAnanA hai| dekhoge to calA jaaegaa| praznakartA : jo dekhane-jAnanevAle haiM, ve khuda hI dakhalaMdAjI karate dAdAzrI : dekhane-jAnanevAlA kyA kabhI karatA hogA? dakhalaMdAjI karanevAle ko to vaha dekhatA hai, jAnatA hai ki yaha dakhalaMdAjI kara rahA hai| DiscArja ahaMkAra DakhoDakhala karatA hai| praznakartA : buddhi dakhala karatI hai?

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442 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : buddhi bhI dakhala karatI hai, sabhI dakhala karate haiN| ahaMkArabuddhi-citta aura mana, ye sabhI dakhalavAle hI haiM na? lekina mUla gunahagAra mAnA jAtA hai ahNkaar| kyoMki usake khuda ke hastAkSara haiN| praznakartA : mana kA svabhAva to, vaha vicAra karake calA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, na bhI jaae| dakhala karake hI chor3atA hai| praznakartA : lekina vaha ahaMkAra jitanA phaoNrsavAlA nahIM hai na! yAnI ki mana hastAkSara karanevAle jitanA phaoNrsavAlA nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : avazya hai, bahuta hI! mana eka jida pakar3a le to subaha taka cle| yAnI ki koI bhI sIdhA nahIM hai| isalie khuda ko hI sIdhA honA pdd'egaa| ve to sIdhe hI the, unheM hamane bigAr3A hai isalie agara hama sIdhe ho jAe~ge to ve sudhreNge| praznakartA : isameM to prajJA jitanI cetAvanI de, utanA hI hama sAvadhAna ho sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : prajJA to bahuta cetAvanI dene ko taiyAra hai| vaha cetAvanI de aura use mAne nahIM to vaha baMda ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : udAharaNa ke taura para hama agara usakA sabhI kucha mAneM to vaha sabhI cetAvaniyA~ degI? dAdAzrI : usase bhAna rahatA hai saaraa| hA~, sabhI cetAvaniyA~ detI hai| hama usake prati sinsiara raheM to ve sabhI citAvaniyA~ detI hai| use kucha bhI karake mokSa meM le jAnA hai isalie agara usakI khuda kI icchA ke anusAra ho rahA ho, usakI bhAvanA ke anusAra ho rahA ho to taiyAra hI rahatI hai| isameM 'hama,' kauna hai? praznakartA : 'hameM' dakhala karane kI Adata hai, isameM 'hama' kauna hai? dAdAzrI : vaha hama hI haiM abhI bhii| 'hama' do prakAra se rahA haiM ab| vyavahAra se isa tarapha rahe haiM aura vAstava meM dUsarI tarapha haiN| jitanA 'dekheM'

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 443 utanA chUTatA hai, utanA calA jAtA hai| jitanA nahIM dekhA' utanA vyavahAra se rahA na! praznakartA : hA~, vaha to rhaa| dAdAzrI : Apa kahate ho ki 'mujhe jalebI bahuta bhAtI hai|' yaha jalebI chUTane ke lie hI AI thI lekina eka tarapha bhAtI hai' aisA kahate ho to usase phira dakhala ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : lekina hama arthAt yaha zarIra na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| igoijama, ahNkaar| ekatA mAnI ahaMkAra ne praznakartA : isakA matalaba aisA hai ki jo asahaja hai vaha sahaja ko bA~dha letA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba taka ekatA mAnI hai na, tabhI taka! praznakartA : ekatA kisane mAnI hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ne ekatA mAnI hai, islie| praznakartA : jaba taka bheda jJAna nahIM huA ho, taba taka vaha samajha meM Ae kaise? dAdAzrI : samajha meM AegA hI nahIM na! jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka 'iTa hepansa' kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka na jAne kisa TAipa kA pAgalapana kare, vaha kaise kahA jA sakatA hai? ApakA ahaMkAra jJAna lene se calA jAtA hai aura kucha bhAga kA jo cArja ahaMkAra hai, vaha dakhala karanevAlA ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai aura vaha iTa haipansavAlA (DiscArja) ahaMkAra raha jAtA hai| isI kAraNa samajha meM AtA hai| praznakartA : DiscArja karane ke lie, nikAla karane ke lie ahaMkAra raha jAtA hai|

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444 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : 'iTa haipansa' meM jitanI z2arUrata hai, utanA DiscArja ahaMkAra rahatA hai| __ taba vaha kahalAtI hai samajha DiscArja ahaMkAra ke khatma ho jAne ke bAda deha jo bhI kriyA karatI hai, vaha sahaja kriyA kahalAtI hai, bilkula shj| usa ghar3I AtmA bhI sahaja aura yaha bhI shj| donoM judA aura sahaja bhI donoM hii| arthAt jaba yaha DiscArja ahaMkAra bhI khatma ho jAtA hai, taba sahaja AtA hai| sahajarUpa se| jaise bhUkha lagAne ke lie hameM kucha karanA nahIM par3atA, utanI hI AsAnI se hotA hai| praznakartA : jo kucha bhI sahaja kriyA ho rahI ho, usase koI karma baMdhana nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : ho hI nahIM sakatA na! Apako DiscArja meM bhI karma baMdhana nahIM hotaa| DiscArja ahaMkAra karma nahIM bA~dha sktaa| yaha ahaMkAra karma chur3avAne ke lie hai| vaha ahaMkAra baMdhe hue karmoM ko chor3ane ke lie hai| jo baMdhA huA hai use chur3avAne ke lie koI cAhie to sahI na? ataH chor3ane kA ahaMkAra hai vh| zuddha vyavahAra kaba? aba vyavahAra kI zuddhatA kaba hai ki tanmayAkAra na ho, cipake hI nhiiN| sparza kare lekina cipake nahIM, taba zuddha kahalAtA hai nahIM to zuddha hone ke kAraNa utpanna hoNge| vaha kucha samaya pazcAta zuddha ho jaaegaa| zuddha arthAt sahaja, sahaja vyvhaar| aura jisakA vyavahAra sahaja hai usakA AtmA sahaja AtmA kahalAtA hai| sahajAtma svarUpa arthAt kyA ki jisakA vyavahAra sahaja hai, aise Atma svarUpa ko sahaja AtmA kahA jAtA hai| phira kramika meM usakA artha z2arA kaccA rahatA hai kyoMki usameM jo jJAnI haiM, ve jitane bhAga meM sahaja hue haiM, utane hI hoMge na! bAkI kA jitanA azuddha rahe, vahA~ para to asahaja rahe na! aura yahA~ to sahaja ho hI jAtA hai|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 445 'AtmajJAna sarala-sIdhuM sahaja thaye chake nhiiN|' (AtmajJAna sarala va sIdhA hai, sahaja ho jAe to kaipha (jAnapane kA nazA) nahIM cddh'egaa|) Apako yaha sarala-sIdhA AtmajJAna diyA hai| yaha jaba sahaja hogA taba use kaipha nahIM cddhegaa| 'AtmajJAna sarala-sIdhuM sahaja thaye chake nhiiN|' bahakA huA nahIM hotaa| loga kahate haiM na ki ise kaipha ho gayA hai| dekho na, thor3A bahuta jAnA usI meM usakA dimAg2a car3ha gayA hai| yAnI ki kaipha nahIM car3hanA cAhie, kaipha na car3hatA jaae| jisane jAnA hai use kaipha nahIM cddh'taa| nahIM jAnA hai vaha bahuta z2ora jamAtA hai| dakhala nahIM, to vaha sahaja AtmA to sahaja hI hai, svabhAva se hI sahaja hai| deha ko sahaja karanA hai| isalie usake pariNAma meM dakhala nahIM karanI caahie| usakA jo iphekTa hotA hai usameM kisI bhI taraha kI dakhala nahIM karanI cAhie, use sahaja kahate haiN| pariNAma ke anusAra hI calatA rahatA hai| dakhala karanA bhrAMti hai| dakhala karanevAlA vyakti mana meM aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM kucha kara rahA huuN|' 'maiM kucha kara rahA huuN|' vaha bhrAMti hai| ____ vyavahAra meM jaba taka saMpUrNa taiyAra nahIM ho jAte, taba taka saMpUrNa AtmA prApta nahIM huA hai| arthAt vyavahAra meM sahajAtma svarUpa arthAt AmanesAmane kisI kI kisI meM dakhala nahIM rhtii| aisA honA cAhie yA aisA nahIM honA cAhie, aisI dakhala nahIM rhtii| kisI kI kisI meM dakhala hai hI nhiiN| apane-apane kAma karate jaao| kartApuruSa jo karatA haiM, use jJAtApuruSa niraMtara jAnatA hI rahatA hai| donoM hI apane-apane kArya meM rahate haiN| dekho Azcarya, kaisA Azcarya! pUre dasa lAkha sAloM meM yaha saba se bar3A Azcarya hai| kaI logoM kA kalyANa kara diyaa| _ 'yaha mujha se ho sakatA hai aura yaha mujha se nahIM ho sakatA, isakA mujhe tyAga karanA hai,' jaba taka aisA hai taba taka sabakucha adhUrA hai| tyAga karanevAlA ahaMkArI hai| 'yaha hamase nahIM ho sakatA' aisA kahanevAlA

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446 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ahaMkArI hai| yaha hama se ho sakatA hai, aisA kahanevAlA bhI ahaMkArI hai| yaha sArA ahaMkAra hI hai| arthAt Apa meM yaha pUrNa prakaTa ho gayA hai, isalie sabhI kriyAe~ ho sakatI haiN| saMsAra kI sabhI kriyAe~ ho sakatI haiM aura AtmA kI sarvasva kriyAe~, donoM apanI-apanI kriyA meM rahate haiN| vItarAgatA, saMpUrNa vItarAgatA meM rahakara! aisA hai yaha akrama vijJAna !!! zarIra svabhAva se iphekTiva jo para pariNAma haiM, jo ki DiscArja rUpI haiM, unameM vItarAgatA rakhane kI z2arUrata hai| dUsarA koI upAya hI nahIM hai| vaha to mahAvIra bhagavAna ko jaba caravAhe ne baru Thoke the na, to sirpha vItarAgatA rakhane kI hI z2arUrata thI aura baru khIMca lie unhoMne, usa ghar3I bhI vItarAgatA hii| phira cAhe deha kA kucha bhI huA, deha se Aha nikalI hogI, use logoM ne ulTA mAnA lekina jJAnI kI deha to hamezA hI zikAyata karatI hai, rotI hai, sabhI kucha karatI hai| jJAnI kI deha yadi yoM sthira ho jAe taba to vaha jJAnI nahIM hai| praznakartA : sabhI loga to aisA hI mAnate haiM ki jJAnI ko z2arA aisA kaheM to hileMge nahIM, Tasa se masa nahIM hoNge| dAdAzrI : logoM ko laukika jJAna hai| jagat laukika se bAhara nikalA hI nahIM hai| jalakara marane lage, taba bhI agara aise hI baiThA rahe to loga use jJAnI kaheMge lekina jJAnI kA to patA cala jAtA hai ki 'ye jJAnI haiM,' turaMta hila uThate haiN| yoM pUre hila uThate haiM aura ajJAnI nahIM hilatA kyoMki ajJAnI taya karatA hai ki mujhe hilanA hI nahIM hai| jJAnI meM ahaMkAra nahIM hotA aura ve sahaja hote haiN| sahaja use kahate haiM ki jaisA zarIra kA svabhAva hai na, vaise hI vicalita hotA rahatA hai ! zarIra U~cA-nIcA ho to vaha sahaja hai aura AtmA ke parapariNAma nahIM hoM, vaha sahaja hai| sahaja AtmA arthAt sva pariNAma aura zarIra U~cA-nIcA hone lage to vaha apane svabhAva se hI hila uThatA hai aise| mAcisa kI tIlI ko jalAkara DAla deM to phira pIche kA sirA U~cA ho jAtA hai, vaha kyA hai? vaha sahaja pariNAma hai| deha ke sabhI pariNAma badalate

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 447 rahate haiN| ajJAnI ke nahIM bdlte| ajJAnI to yoM sthira ho jAtA hai, vaise kA vaisaa| ahaMkAra hai na! inameM ahaMkara nahIM hai, isalie A~kheM rotI hai, sabhI kucha karate haiN| praznakartA : usa samaya jaba unakI prakRti rotI hai, taba ve aMdara apane svarUpa meM sthira rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| praznakartA : ve kyA prakRti ko kaMTrola nahIM karate? dAdAzrI : prakRti, prakRti ke bhAva meM hI rahatI hai, use kaMTrola karane kI Apako z2arUrata nahIM hai| agara Apa sahaja bhAva meM A gae to vaha sahaja bhAva meM hI hai| yahA~ se agara mujhe jUtoM ke binA saMgemaramara ke patthara para se hokara jAnA ho to maiM bola paDhU~gA ki 'are jala gayA, jala gayA, jala gayA,' to vaha jJAnI hai| varnA agara yoM dabA de, bole nahIM to samajhanA ki vaha ajJAnI hai| satarka rahatA hai, pakkA rakhatA hai| sahaja kA matalaba kyA hai? jaisA hai vaisA kaha denA! jise kevalajJAna upajA ho na, usakI deha sahaja hotI hai| daur3ane ke TAima para daur3atA hai, rone ke TAima para rotA hai aura ha~sane ke TAima para ha~satA hai| to pUchate haiM ki 'bhagavAna mahAvIra ke kAna meM se jaba kIleM nikAlI thIM to ve kyoM ro par3e the?' are bhAI, ve ro par3e usameM terA kyA jAtA hai? ve to rote hii| ve to tIrthaMkara the ve koI ahaMkArI nahIM the ki A~kheM aise rakhate yA aisA kucha krte| A~kheM bhIMcakara rakhate, agara ahaMkArI hote to! kIleM Thokate samaya karuNA ke A~sU the aura nikAlate samaya vedanA ke A~sU the| aura ve A~sU AtmA ke nahIM hote| yaha deha A~sUvAlI hotI hai| maiMne kahA, yadi A~sU nahIM Ae~ to hameM samajhanA hai ki menTala ho gayA hai, yA phira ahaMkArI ho gayA hai vaha, pAgala hai| sabhI kriyAe~ sAhajika honI cAhie, agara jJAnI hai to unake zarIra kI sabhI kriyAe~ sAhajika honI cAhie!

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448 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aba yaha sArI bAteM laukika jJAna se bahuta dUra haiM isalie jaldI samajha meM nahIM A sakatI na, phiTa nahIM ho sakatI yaha bAta! alaukika bAta hai yh| sAhajika arthAt binA mehanata ke jisameM puruSArtha na ho, vaha hai saahjik| cora corI karatA hai, to vaha sAhajika kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : corI karate samaya cora ke aMdara jo puruSArtha cala rahA hotA hai to phira vaha pariNAma sAhajika nahIM kahalAegA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, phira bhI vaha sAhajika hI khlaaegaa| cora corI chor3a de, to vaha puruSArtha khlaaegaa| chIMka khAnA, sAhajika nahIM hai| vaha kudaratI kriyA hai| praznakartA : vaha samajhAie na j'raa| dAdAzrI : sAhajika arthAt mana ke kahe anusAra clnaa| vaha sAhajika hai| khuda ko kucha socanA nahIM hai, khuda ko kucha mehanata nahIM karanI hai, puruSArtha nahIM / gAr3I jahA~ jAe, vahA~ jAne denA, use sAhajika kahate haiN| sAhajika arthAt koI mehanata nahIM hai, apane Apa hI hotA rahatA hai| praznakartA : mana ke kahe anusAra cale to sAhajika hai isalie ajAgRta avasthA meM, ajJA dazA meM sAhajikatA hotI hai| usa prakAra kI sAhajikatA? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha sAhajika kahalAtA hai| sAhajika meM puruSArthI nahIM hote, laTTU hI hote haiM aura jJAna hone ke bAda kA jo sAhajika hai, vaha paramAtmA kahalAtA hai| jahA~ sahajatA vahA~ khatma kArya-kAraNa sahajatA kA artha kyA hai ki yaha pattA hotA hai na, isa patte ko havA idhara se ur3Ae to yoM aise ur3a jAtA hai aura havA dUsarI tarapha se ur3Ae to

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 449 vApasa vaise ur3a jAtA hai| khuda kA kucha bhI nhiiN| potApanA hai hI nahIM! praznakartA : to phira saMkSepa meM kyA aisA hai ki jo karma ahaMkAra zUnya haiM, vahI sahaja haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI sahaja haiN| praznakartA : to sahaja vartana kyA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, sahaja vartana arthAt vaha jo bhrAMti kA bhAga thA, vaha calA jAe to use sahaja kahate haiM ! bhrAMti kA bhAga calA gyaa| to bacA kyA? shj| praznakartA : 'sahaja' ke bAda phira karma nahIM baMdhate na? dAdAzrI : phira karma bA~dhegA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : to phira usase vastu pyora ho gaI na? dAdAzrI : hA~, pyora! aura pyora hone ke bAda kAraNa-kArya nahIM rahA! praznakartA : aisA hI isa sahajatA meM hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, bs| usameM kAraNa-kArya nahIM rahA aura sahajatA calI gaI ki kAraNa-kArya utpanna ho jAte haiN| aisA hai na, isa jJAna ke bAda cArja meM Apa bhI sahaja ho aura DiscArja meM asahaja ho kyoMki pichale jo kaoNz2ez2a ho cuke haiM na, unake ye pariNAma bAkI haiM, unameM asahaja ho jAte ho| praznakartA : arthAt iphekTa meM asahaja aura kaoNz2ez2a meM shj| dAdAzrI : hA~, bs| praznakartA : lekina kaoNz2ez2a meM sabhI loga sahaja rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, sirpha apane jJAna lie hue mahAtmA hI kaoNz2ez2a meM sahaja haiN|

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450 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : usameM bhI jo pA~ca AjJA meM rahate haiM, utane hI sahaja haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, utane hI, bAkI ke nahIM! sahaja samAdhi praznakartA : koI vyakti sahaja samAdhi kI sthiti meM raha sakatA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : bahuta hI kama loga raha sakate haiN| jo sahaja samAdhi meM rahate haiM, vahI bhagavAna kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : mAnava kA aMtima dhyeya to yahI hai na? dAdAzrI : khuda kI galata mAnyatAe~ chor3a denA hI aMtima dhyeya hai| galata mAnyatAoM kI vajaha se asahaja ho gayA hai yh| galata mAnyatAe~ chUTa jAe~ to sahaja hI hai| 'karo,' vahA~ AtmajJAna nahIM hai abhI eka bhAI ne bAta kI thI, 'karo, karo,' kaha rahe the na! vaha AtmA ke lie yA AtmajJAna ke lie kaha rahe haiM ki 'karo'! arthAt ye jo kahate haiM na ki 'karo', lekina usase to AtmajJAna karor3oM janma taka bhI prApta nahIM hogaa| AtmajJAna sahaja hai, usameM sahaja sthiti utpanna hotI hai arthAt 'sahaja' kA aura 'karo' kA, ina donoM ke bIca meM Adi kAla se baira hai ! baira hai yA nahIM?! sahaja avasthA karane se prApta nahIM hotii| vaha to jaba yoM jJAnIpuruSa kI kRpA barase ki sahaja ho jAtA hai to kAma ho gayA! jo loga aisA kahate haiM ki aisA karo aura vaisA karo, ve sahaja avasthA se viruddha karavAte haiN| saMsAra meM karma baMdhana kI sthiti hI vaha hai| balki usase z2yAdA karma baMdhana hote haiN| saMsAra meM kucha bhI karanA, vaha Atma svabhAva ke viruddha hai isalie vaha AtmA kA virodhI hai| aba karanevAle mana meM khuza hote haiM ki maiMne aisA kiyA aura vaisA kiyaa| are bhaTaka marane ke lie kiyA hai!

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 51 ataH iMsAna ko viveka se samajhanA caahie| 'jaldI uThanA caahie|' paoNsibala ho to cAra-sAr3e cAra bje| phira itanA samajhane ke bAda jo huA vaha sahI hai| nizcaya rakhanA cAhie, phira bhI jo huA vaha sahI hai| phira bAta ko aise pakar3akara nahIM rakhanA hai yA z2ora z2abaradastI nahIM karanI hai / vItarAgoM kA mArga z2ora z2abaradastI kA nahIM hai| yA to sahaja yA phira z2ora z2abaradastI, do hI hote haiN| to aise z2ora z2abaradastI karate hue dekhA hai maiMne logoM ko| Apane nahIM dekhe hoMge z2ora z2abaradastI karanevAle? yA to z2ora z2abaradastI karatA hai yA phira sahaja rahatA hai| Apako ye jo mile haiM, ve sabhI z2ora z2abaradastI haiN| rahane do na bhAI! mokSa ke lie kyA aisA hotA hogA? praznakartA : bAta ko pakar3akara rakhe to hama jAna jAte haiM ki yaha z2ora z2abaradastI kara rahA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| AtmA to na jAne kahA~ raha gayA, aura binA dUlhe kI barAta dekho to sahI! dUlhA to abhI taka AyA nahIM aura bArAta khAnA khAne baiThI hai! jJAna use kahate haiM ki jo logoM ko sAhajika bnaae| zAstroM meM to aisA karo, vaisA karo aura phalAnA karo aura tapa karo aura japa karo, aura, phalAnA karo, aisA saba hotA hai| karane kI hI kathA kahI gaI hai| sahaja hone kA rAstA kisI ne dikhAyA hI nahIM hai| yahA~ para baiThe to sahaja ho jAe~ge yA nahIM ho jAe~ge? to aba sahaja honA hai| sahaja huA ki paramAtmA ho gyaa| sahajAtma svarUpa paramAtmA kahalAte haiN| isalie sahaja hI honA hai| prayatna se jAe dUra, sahajatA praznakartA : aba isa citta prasannatA kA vikAsa karane ke lie ye saba jo prayatna karate haiM, vaha citta prasannatA sAhajika nahIM kahalAtI na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve jo prayatna karate haiM, na vaha rileTiva kahalAtA hai|

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452 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) aura rileTiva meM to prayatna hI rahate haiM jabaki riyala to sahaja hotA hai| sahaja dekhanA ho to mere pAsa milegA aura vahavAlA rileTiva hotA hai| kalpanA se mAra-mArakara seTa karanA par3atA hai, klcrdd| logoM ko kalcarDa pasaMda hai, isalie kaha rahA huuN| praznakartA : yaha jo darzana zakti hai, vaha darzana prApti ke prayAsa karane se AvRta ho jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : prayAsa karane se sabakucha ulTA hotA hai| vaha aprayAsa honA cAhie, sahaja honA caahie| prayAsa huA to sahaja nahIM rhaa| sahajatA calI gii| praznakartA : aba sabhI jagaha kucha na kucha prayAsa batAe gae haiN| aba usase kahIM darzana zakti Develapa nahIM hotI, sahajatA prApta nahI hotii| dAdAzrI : prApta nahIM ho sktii| sahaja zakti alaga cIz2a hai| vaha aisI cIz2a nahIM hai ki prayatna se prApta ho jaae| prayatna se aura adhika dUra jAtI hai| sahaja zakti nirvikalpa hai| sahajatA kA matalaba hI hai, aprayatna dazA praznakartA : caraNavidhi meM hai na ki 'mana-vacana-kAyA kI Apake jaisI sahajatA mujhe prApta ho,' to vaha sahajatA kaisI hai? arthAt sahajatA kI paribhASA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : sahajatA kA matalaba moTI bhASA meM kaheM to aprayAsa dshaa| koI bhI prayAsa nhiiN| AtmA se bhI koI prayAsa nahIM aura deha se bhI koI prayAsa nhiiN| mAnasika prayAsa bhI nahIM aura buddhi kA bhI prayAsa nhiiN| prayAsa nahIM, aprayAsa dshaa| praznakartA : usameM phira mana-vacana-kAyA kA tAlamela to hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : anAyasa dazA ho gaI, bs| prayAsa nhiiN| usameM se prayAsa karanevAlA nikala jAtA hai| mana-vacana-kAyA kAma karanevAle haiM lekina prayAsa

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 453 karanevAlA nikala jAtA hai| prayAsa karanevAle kI jo gairahAz2irI hai, vaha sahaja dazA hai aura prayAsa karanevAle kI hAz2irI vaha asahaja hai| yAnI ki usa prayAsa karanevAle ke cale jAne para sahaja ho jAtA hai| phira jo bhI kriyA ho rahI ho to usa kriyA meM koI Apatti nahIM hai| prayAsa karanevAle ko lekara Apatti hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha prayAsa karane kI gA~Tha hI par3a cukI hai use| dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : kyA vAstava meM kisI bhI prakiyA meM prayAsa kI z2arUrata hai hI nahIM? dAdAzrI : prayAsa kI z2arUrata hai, lekina use karanevAlA nahIM honA caahie| prayAsa kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, aisA kaheMge to phira loga kAma karanA chor3a deMge saaraa| chor3a dene kA bhAva kreNge| ataH prayAsa kI z2arUrata hai| praznakartA : lekina hakIkata kyA hai aMdara kI, ekz2ekTanesa? dAdAzrI : prayAsa karanevAlA hI calA jAe to basa, ho gyaa| praznakartA : yaha jo mana-vacana-kAyA kI prakiyAe~ hotI haiM, usa samaya prayAsa karanevAlA vAstava meM hotA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : prayAsa karanevAlA hai isIlie yaha prayAsa kahalAtA hai| vaha sahaja nahIM khlaataa| prayAsa karanevAlA calA jAe to vahI kI vahI cIz2a phira sahaja kahalAtI hai| praznakartA : to phira prayAsa karanevAlA ye mana-vacana-kAyA kI jo prakiyA karatA hai, taba jo hotA hai aura prayAsa karanevAlA jaba calA jAtA hai taba jo hotA hai, vAstava meM to donoM hI mikenikala hI thA na? dAdAzrI : hone meM, cIz2a vahI kI vahI hotI hai, usake hone meM cenja nahIM hai| praznakartA : arthAt agara isane yaha prayAsa nahIM kiyA hotA to bhI vaisA hI hotA?

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454 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : prayAsa meM dakhalaMdAz2I hai, vaha jhaMjhaTa hai| praznakartA : dakhalaMdAjI kA bhogavaTA khuda ko AtA hai ki dakhalaMdAjI se mana-vacana-kAyA meM badalAva ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : usase badalAva honevAlA bhI nahIM hai| prayAsa kiyA hai isalie aprayAsa nahIM khlaaegaa| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai lekina vaha jo prayAsa hotA hai, usase manavacana-kAyA kI prakiyA meM koI badalAva AtA hai? dAdAzrI : koI bhI badalAva nahIM AtA! praznakartA : to phira prayAsa karane se kyA pariNAma utpanna hote haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha to sirpha usakA ahaMkAra hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~!' praznakartA : usase agale janma kI javAbadehI AtI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, agale janma kI javAbadehI letA hai kyoMki vaha roMga bilIpha hai| praznakartA : aura agara vaha roMga bilIpha chUTa jAe to phira aisA kahA jAegA ki prayAsa karanevAlA calA gayA? dAdAzrI : phira aprayAsa dazA, sahaja ho gyaa| maiM khAtA-pItA hU~, vaha saba sahaja kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : to roMga bilIpha thI taba prayAsa karanevAlA kahalAyA, usa roMga bilIpha ke jAne ke bAda aisA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM hotA, dakhala calI jAtI hai| praznakartA : lekina jise roMga bilIpha thI, kyA usakA astitva rahatA hai phira? dAdAzrI : eka tarapha AtmA aura eka tarapha yaha deha, aprayAsa deha,

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 455 mn-vcn-kaayaa| vaha pudgala to hai hI lekina usameM bIca kA igoiz2ama bhAga calA gyaa| jise sTrena ho rahA thA, vaha calA gayA, jo thaka rahA thA vaha calA gyaa| jo parezAna ho jAtA thA vaha calA gyaa| ve saba cale ge| praznakartA : to bacA kauna? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nhiiN| yaha sahaja bcaa| aMdara kisI aura kI dakhalaMdAjI nahIM rhii| praznakartA : isa deha se kriyA karanI ho, vANI hai lekina usameM usa ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata par3atI hai na? dAdAzrI : koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| kaoNz2ez2a karanevAlA hI calA gayA vahA~ se ! sirpha iphekTa hI bcaa| praznakartA : to phira Apa jo kahate ho na ki jaba taka ahaMkAra hastAkSara na kareM, taba taka kriyA nahIM hotI, to phira vaha kauna sA ahaMkAra pic dAdAzrI : DiscArja ahNkaar| praznakartA : to isa DiscArja ahaMkAra kI kriyA meM, usake pariNAma meM kyA pharka hotA hai? dAdAzrI : sahaja! prayAsa karanevAlA nahIM rahatA, sahaja hotA hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha jo sahaja hotA hai usameM vo prayAsa karanevAlA ahaMkAra nahIM rahatA lekina DiscArja ahaMkAra to rahatA hai na usameM? dAdAzrI : usameM harja nahIM hai, vaha to rahegA hI na! usakA to vaha sabakucha mRtpaay| vahI kahalAtI hai sahaja kriyaa| jJAnI sadA aprayatna dazA meM praznakartA : bhojana yAda Ae, cAya yAda Ae, aise saba vicAra unheM

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456 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) Ate raheM to phira aisA kahA jAegA ki sahajatA TUTa gaI? dAdAzrI : sahajatA TUTa hI jAegI na! sahajatA TUTa jAe to usase kahIM AtmA khAne nahIM lagatA, vaha to khAnevAlA hI khAtA hai| aMta meM deha ko sahaja karanA hai| AhArI banI hai, lekina sahaja karanA hai| sahaja hone kI hI z2arUrata hai| sahaja hone meM TAima lagegA lekina sahaja arthAt puurnntaa| sahaja arthAt saMpUrNa aprayatna dshaa| aprayatna dazA se cAya Ae, bhojana Ae to harja nahIM hai| jJAnIpuruSa kise kahate haiM? jo niraMtara aprayatna dazA meM raheM, unheN| pUrA jagat prayatna dazA meM haiM aura Apa yatna dazA meM ho| acchA-burA karate ho, usameM dakhalaMdAjI karate ho, Apako aisA hogA ki isa pudgala kA vaMza calA jAegA to kyA hogA? isa pudgala kA vaMza kabhI bhI jAtA nahIM hai| jJAtA-dRSTA aura akriya, aisA hai aatmaa| use yatna bhI nahIM hote haiM aura prayatna bhI nahIM hote haiN| praznakartA : ApameM AtmA judA baratatA hai, isakA matalaba eka-eka pradeza para sabhI jagaha para vaha judA baratatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI jagaha pr| hai hI judA, ApakA bhI judA hI hai| praznakartA : hai to judA hI lekina yaha baratane kI bAta hai na! dAdAzrI : baratanA arthAt 'khuda kA jJAna sarvasva prakAra se hai|' jitanA ajJAna hai utanA nahIM brtegaa| praznakartA : lekina usakA artha aisA hai ki usI anusAra pUre zarIra meM baratatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, usI anusAra baratatA hai| jitanA barate utanA shj| jJAna hone ke bAda deha sahaja ho jAtI hai kyoMki jahA~ para krodha-mAna-mAyA lobha khatma ho cuke haiM, vahA~ para sahajatA utpanna hotI hai| praznakartA : sahaja ho jAnA, vahI bar3I bAta hai|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 457 dAdAzrI : bar3I bAta nahIM hai? aMta meM sahaja honA hI par3egA na! aMta meM sahaja hue bagaira calegA hI nhiiN| dAdA kI anokhI sAhajikatA praznakartA : 'jJAnI ke pAsa par3e raho,' aisA jo kahA hai, par3e rahakara yahI saba dekhanA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| pUre dina inakI sahajatA dekhane ko milegii| kaisI sahajatA! kaisI nirmala sahajatA hai, kitane nirmala bhAva haiM! aura ahaMkAra rahita dazA kaisI hotI hai, buddhi rahita dazA kaisI hotI hai, vaha saba dekhane ko milatA hai| ye do dazAe~ to aura kahIM dekhane ko hI nahIM milatI na ! ahaMkAra rahita dazA aura buddhi rahita dazA dekhane ko nahIM miltii| hara kahIM para buddhizAlI haiM! ve yoM bAta karate haiM na, taba bhI nAka yoM car3hA rahatA hai! kucha bhI sahaja nahIM rhtaa| phoTo lete samaya bhI nAka car3ha jAtI hai aura phoTovAle hameM dekheM taba use agara phoTo nahIM khIMcanI ho na, to bhI khIMca letA hai ki ye phoTo khIMcane lAyaka haiM! ve sahajatA DhU~Dhate haiN| nAka kI akar3a dekhe to phoTo sahaja nahIM aataa| arthAt kisI ke sAtha jAte haiM na, kisI ke samUha meM, vahA~ para apanA mu~ha car3hA huA nahIM dekhe to ve loga samajha jAte haiM ki 'deyara iz2a smthiNg|' logoM ko dekhanA bahuta acchI taraha se AtA hai| khuda kA rakhanA nahIM aataa| khuda ke cehare ko vItarAga rakhanA nahIM AtA lekina sAmanevAle kA ceharA vItarAga hai, vaisA unheM acchI taraha se dekhanA AtA hai, bahuta bArIkI se| mu~ha car3hAyA ho to acchA nahIM dikhatA, nahIM? phoTo meM dekheM to bhI patA cala jAtA hai ki inakA mu~ha car3hA huA hai| isalie phoTogrAphara phoTo lete haiM na, taba sAmanevAlA asahaja ho to use phoTo lene meM maz2A nahIM aataa| vaha sahajatA DhU~DhatA hai| aura hamAre lie khuza hI haiN| jaise bhI ghUmeM vaise ve khuza, kyoMki sahaja haiN| ve bahuta khuza ho jAte haiN| unheM sahajatA cAhie aura vaha AsAnI se mila jAtI hai| anya kahIM para to unheM kahanA par3atA hai, ki 'z2arA sIdhe baitthie|' varnA phira bhI phoTo khiMcavAte samaya logoM meM asahajatA rahatI

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458 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiM aura ve phoTo suMdara bhI nahIM dikhte| sahaja phoTo suMdara dikhatA hai| kauna sA acchA dikhatA hai? shj| jabaki asahaja meM aMdara ahaMkAra phailA huA hotA hai| phoTo khiMcate samaya agara Apa aisA kaho ki 'Apa hAtha joDie' to hama hAtha jor3a lete haiM, bs| aura mujhe kyA hai? kyoMki hameM mana meM aisA nahIM hotA hai ki merA phoTo le rahA hai, nahIM to vikRta ho jaaeNge| hama sahaja meM hI rahate haiN| bAhara cAhe kitane bhI phoTo lene Ae~ to phoTovAle bhI samajha jAte haiM ki dAdA sahaja meM hI hai| turaMta hI baTana dabA dete haiN| jaba taka hamArI sAhajikatA rahatI hai taba taka hameM pratikramaNa nahIM karane hote| sAhajikatA meM pratikramaNa Apako bhI nahIM karane pdd'eNge| sAhajikatA meM pharka AyA ki prtikrmnn| hamArI sAhajikatA hI hai, jaise dekho, jaba dekho taba hama usI svabhAva meM dikhAI dete haiN| sAhajikatA meM pharka nahIM aataa| vyavasthita samajhane se prakaTa hotI hai sahajatA Apa AtmA ho hI gae ho, phira aba rahA kyA? praznakartA : arthAt AtmA zuddha ho gyaa| yaha to prazna huA ki 'inakI dazA kaisI hotI hai?' isalie kahA ki pUrI aprayatna dazA utpanna ho jAtI hai| khuda ke cappala pahanane taka kA prayatna nahIM rhtaa| dAdAzrI : abhI bhI aprayatna dazA hI hai| prayatna to, jaba ahaMkAra ho taba kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : Apane kahA thA ki 'relve sTezana para gae hoM, gAr3I meM jAnA ho, taba sTezana para jAkara bAra-bAra aise jhA~kakara nahIM dekhate ki gAr3I AI hai yA nahIM?' dAdAzrI : aisA dekheM to usameM harja kyA hai? phira khuda ko patA calatA hai na ki yaha bhUla ho gaI j'raa| ataH aisA bhAva rakhanA hai ki sahaja honA hai| hameM dRSTi kaisI rakhanI hai? shj| jisa samaya jo hotA hai vaha dekhanA hai| aura

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 459 dhyeya kaisA rakhanA hai ki dAdAjI kI sevA karanI hai aura bhAva sahaja rakhanA hai| dAdAjI kI sevA milanI to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai na! vaha to bahuta bar3A puNya ho taba milatI hai, nahIM to nahIM milatI na! yoM hAtha bhI nahIM lagA sakate na! eka bAra yoM hAtha lagAne ko mile to vaha bhI bahuta bar3A puNya khlaaegaa| aisA ho jAe to mana meM mAnanA ki bahuta dinoM meM yaha prApta huA hai, itanA bhI kyA kama hai? bAkI, kisI bhI tarIke se zuddha upayoga meM rahanA caahie| praznakartA : sahaja to tabhI ho sakate haiM na ki jaba saMpUrNa vijJAna aMdara khula jAe? tabhI sahaja ho sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : jaba 'vyavasthita' saMpUrNa rUpa se samajha meM A jAe taba saMpUrNa sahaja ho sakate haiN| aba yaha to apane Apa hotA hI rahatA hai| usake lie bahuta aisA nahIM rakhanA hai ki ina mehamAnoM ke lie iMtaz2Ara karake baiThe nahIM rahanA hai| iMtaz2Ara karane se to aMta hI nahIM AegA lekina vyavasthita samajha meM A jAe ki turaMta sahaja ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : sahaja hone ke lie vyavasthita pUrI taraha se samajha meM A jAnA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : vyavasthita pUrI taraha se samajha meM A jAe to pUrI taraha se sahaja ho jAegA, bAkI jitanA vyavasthita samajha meM Ae, utanA hI sahaja hotA jaaegaa| usase phira ghabarAhaTa hogI hI nhiiN| vyavasthita samajha meM A jAe to isa duniyA meM koI parezAnI hai hI nhiiN| vyavasthita jitanA samajha meM AtA jAegA, utanA hI kevalajJAna khulatA jAegA, aura utanA hI sahaja hotA jaaegaa| praznakartA : vyavasthita ko nahIM samajha pAtA tabhI upayoga se bAhara jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| tabhI jAtA hai| nahIM to upayoga se bAhara jAe hI nahIM na aura tabhI to asahaja ho jAtA hai| vyavasthita jitanA samajha meM AtA jAegA utanA sahaja hotA jaaegaa| jaise-jaise vyavasthita samajha meM AtA jAegA, usake AvaraNa khulate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise sahaja hotA jaaegaa|

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460 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) nirvikalpa to ho gae haiM lekina sahaja nahIM ho pAe haiN| nirvikalpa to jaba se jJAna diyA tabhI se ho gae haiN| jitanI sahaja avasthA utpanna hotI hai na, vaise-vaise vANI-vartana sabakucha badalatA jAtA hai| vItarAgatA AtI jAtI hai na! vANI kaba sahaja hotI hai? jaba aisA lage ki 'TeparikaoNrDara bola rahA hai,' taba vANI sahaja ho jaaegii| jaba vANI mAlikI rahita ho jAegI, taba sahaja ho jaaegaa| taba taka ThIka taraha se pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana kara aura usI meM Age bddh'| praznakartA : vANI kI sahajatA caudaha sAla ke bAda AtI hai? dAdAzrI : tabhI hogA na! vANI kI sahajatA, mana kI sahajatA, zarIra kI sahajatA, tabhI AegI na! vaha usakA phala hai| dehAdhyAsa chUTate-chUTate -chUTate sahajatA AtI hai| sahajatA Ae taba pUrNAhuti kahalAtI hai kyoMki AtmA to sahaja hai hI aura deha kI sahajatA A gii| kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki 'dehAdhyAsa chUTe to bhI bahuta ho gyaa|' tU karma kA kartA nahIM hai| 'chUTe dehAdhyAsa to nahIM kartA tU karma, nahIM bhoktA tU tehano; eja dharma no mrm|' (dehAdhyAsa chUTe to tU karma kA kartA nahIM hai aura tU usakA bhoktA bhI nahIM hai, yahI dharma kA marma hai) sahajAtma svarUpa aMtima pada hai, sahaja svruup| sahajAnaMda, binA prayatna ke AnaMda, sahaja AnaMda, aprayatna dazA ! prakaTe Atma aizvarya sahajapane meM se sahaja kA matalaba kyA hai? jahA~ pAnI le jAe vahIM calA jAe, usake jaisaa| phira pAnI aise calA jAe to vaise calA jAtA hai| potApanA nhiiN| pAnI jahA~ para le jAe khuda vahIM para jAe, usa taraha se| sahaja kA matalaba kyA hai? eka minaTa ke lie bhI sahaja ho gayA to vaha bhagavAna pada meM A gyaa| jagat meM koI bhI sahaja ho sake aisA nahIM hai! eka minaTa ke lie bhI koI nahIM ho sktaa| sahaja to, isa

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 461 akrama vijJAna se Apa ho gae ho! nahIM to yoM vakAlata karate-karate kyA koI sahaja huA jAtA hogA? vakIla kahIM sahaja hote hoMge? aura vApasa kesa lekara baiThate haiM na? lekina dekho sahaja ho pAe na! vaha bhI Azcarya hai na! yaha saba se bar3A camatkAra kahalAtA hai| phira bhI hama kahate haiM ki camatkAra jaisI koI cIz2a nahIM hai| samajha meM nahIM Ane kI vajaha se loga kahate haiM ki camatkAra hai| bAkI sAinTiphika samakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiM ye sAre! abhI to, Apako jo yaha vijJAna diyA hai, vaha Apako aba niraMtara sahaja hI kara rahA hai| aura agara sahaja ho gae to mere jaise ho jaaoge| mere jaise ho gae to brahmAMDa ke UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) khlaaoge| dAdA bhagavAna ko brahmAMDa kA UparI kahate haiN| usakA kyA kAraNa hai ki isa deha ke malika nahIM haiN| to phira isa deha kA mAlika kauna hai? to kahate haiM ki yaha pablika TrasTa hai| praznakartA : dAdA, Apane sabhI ko thor3A-thor3A, hara eka kI zakti ke anusAra AtmA kA ezvarya dikhA diyA hai| dAdAzrI : kitanA bar3A aizvarya dikhA diyA ! dekho na, cehare para kaisA AnaMda hai, varnA aisA rahatA jaise eraMDI kA tela cupar3A huA ho| sahaja ho cuke vyakti kA eka vAkya bhI bahuta hitakArI hotA hai logoM ke lie! sahaja kA eka hI vAkya ho to bhI bahuta hitakArI hai| koI sahaja huA hI nahIM hai na! sahajatA kA yaha upAya apane yahA~ para hai| aba jitanA samajhadAra hotA jAegA, sIdhA hotA jAegA utnaa| sIdhA ho gayA ki sahaja ho gyaa| hama amarIkA gae the, taba gaTharI kI taraha gae the aura gaTharI kI taraha vApasa A ge| amarIkA meM sabhI jagaha gae the, vahA~ para bhI isI taraha aura saba jagaha isI trh| hamArA kucha bhI nhiiN| 'vicare udaya prayoga! apUrva vANI parama zruta!' (vicarate haiM udaya anusAra, apUrva vANI parama zruta) isa taraha se|

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462 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : AtmA kA jo aizvarya hai, vaha kyA sahajapane meM se prakaTa hotA hogA? dAdAzrI : sahaja meM hI, jitanA sahaja hotA jAegA, utanA aizvarya prakaTa hotA jaaegaa| aba sahaja to phaoNrenavAle bhI rahate haiN| apane yahA~ para bacce bhI sahaja haiM lekina vaha ajJAna sahajatA hai| agara jJAnapUrvaka aisI sahajatA rahegI to ho skegaa| praznakartA : yaha laukika aizvarya hotA hai, usase bhI kabhI na kabhI thakAna mahasUsa hotI hai! dAdAzrI : nirI thakAna hI hotI hai| usa aizvarya se thakAna hI mahasUsa hotI hai| mere pAsa itane bIghA jamIna hai, mere itane baMgale haiM, sArA vaz2ana sira para AtA hai| jitanA 'merA' bolate haiM na, utanA sira para AtA hai| hA~, bolane ke bAda kyA hotA hai? sira para Ane ke bAda, ghabarAhaTa hotI hai use, bAda meM use chor3anA nahIM AtA na! 'nahIM hai merA, nahIM hai merA,' bolane se chUTa jAtA hai, lekina vaisA karanA AtA nahIM hai na! kriyA se nahIM balki usameM caMcalatA se karma baMdhana yaha jo kriyA ho rahI hai usameM harja nahIM hai lekina usase caMcalatA utpanna hotI hai, vaha parezAnI hai| kriyA baMda nahIM karanI hai| baMda hogI hI nhiiN| usameM jo caMcalatA utpanna hotI hai, jo sahajatA TUTa jAtI hai, usase karma baMdhana hai| sahajatA TUTa gaI to karma baMdha ge| ye kriyAe~ karane meM harja nahIM hai, kisI bhI kriyA se harja nahIM hai, abhimAna kare to bhI harja nahIM hai lekina caMcalatA nahIM honI caahie| praznakartA : vaha kyA hai jise caMcalatA kahate haiM? caMcalatA ke lakSaNa kyA haiM? dAdAzrI : jinheM apanA jJAna nahIM milA ho, vaha to mAno ki pUrA jagat caMcalatA meM hI haiN| apanA jJAna lene ke bAda phira caMcalatA nahIM rahatI hai usameM, sahajatA rahatI hai| khuda kA bilkula bhI dhakkA nahIM lagatA, bAhara kI kriyA apane Apa hotI rahatI hai|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 463 yadi sahajatA TUTa gaI to karma huaa| arthAt pUrA jagat karma hI bA~dha rahA hai| caMcalatA zubha bhAva meM ho to acche karma bA~dha rahA hai| azubha bhAva meM ho to kharAba karma bA~dha rahA hai| ataH phira se bhoganA par3egA sbkuch| phira se bIja pdd'eNge| phira se caMcalatA utpanna hogii| jaldI hai? to bana aparigrahI praznakartA : lakSa (jAgRti) to dAdA usa aMtima dazA kA hI hai ki yaha dazA pUrI karane meM jo-jo kamiyA~ haiM... jaba jAnate haiM ki aMtima dazA yaha hai aura aisA honA cAhie, to aba usake lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba yaha sArA vyavahAra chUTegA taba terA kAma hogaa| praznakartA : aba aprayatna dazA taka pahu~cane ke lie usa phAila meM se nikalU~ kaise? dAdAzrI : usakA tujhe patA calatA hai na? vaha kisa taraha se? isa vyavahAra ne tujhe nahIM pakar3A hai, tUne vyavahAra ko pakar3A hai| hama to sAvadhAna karate haiM ki 'bhAI, ye sArI nukasAnadAyaka cIjeM haiN|' jo Apako cAhie ye cIjeM usameM bAdhaka haiM isalie cetAvanI dete haiN| phira agara unheM acchI lage to karate hI rahate haiM, usameM mujhe manA karane kA hai hI kahA~? praznakartA : kabhI na kabhI to chUTanA hI par3egA na! aura koI cArA thor3e hI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~ lekina isIlie to phira jJAna ko jAnanA hai| jise jaldI ho use aparigrahI ho jAnA caahie| hA~, nahIM to pakor3e khAte-khAte jAnA caahie| donoM meM se eka taya ho jAnA caahie| pakor3iyA~ khAte-khAte nahIM jAnA hai? Avazyaka pharz2a rUpI vyavahAra ko zuddha vyavahAra kahA hai bhagavAna ne| saMDAsa jAnA par3atA hai, pezAba ke lie jAnA par3atA hai, khAnA par3atA hai, pInA par3atA hai|

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464 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : hA~, to naukarI ke lie jAnA par3atA hai, use? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| naukarI karanA, vaha Avazyaka vyavahAra nahIM hai| vaha hai hI nahIM, naukarI karanA hai hI nhiiN| naukarI, vyApAra yA khetI-bAr3I karanA z2arUrI hai, aisA hai hI nahIM! praznakartA : to phira vaha aisI cIz2a huI na ki jise chor3a denA hai? dAdAzrI : usameM to sukha hai hI nahIM na ! jinheM Age kI dazA prApta karanI haiM, unake lie yaha hai hI nhiiN| jo samabhAva se nikAla karatA hogA, usake lie vaha clegaa| praznakartA : aise Atma jAgRti kA utpanna honA aura vyavahAra karanA, khuda kI sArI zaktiyA~ vyartha kharca karake vyavahAra karane jaisA ho jAtA hai| dAdA se jJAna kI samajha prApta karanA aura vahA~ jAkara sabhI zaktiyA~ vyartha kharca kara denA, usake jaisA ho jAtA hai yaha to| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na ki yaha bhojana karanA zarIra ke lie Avazyaka hai na, nesesittii| usake binA zarIra gira jAegA, mara jaaegaa| utane taka hI vyavahAra hai aura usake lie bhI bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki eka hI bAra khaanaa| usase kahIM mara nahIM jaaoge| aura vaha bhI bhikSA lekara khaanaa| usameM pIr3A nahIM hai apane ko bartana vagairaha lAne kii| kapar3e bhI mA~gakara le lenaa| phira pUre dina AtmA kA karate rahanA, upayoga meM rhnaa| praznakartA : udaya svarUpa se aisA rahA kare aura khuda upayoga meM rhe| dAdAzrI : haaN| agara pUre dina upayoga meM rahe na to phira koI jhaMjhaTa hI nhiiN| usameM pIr3A nahIM hai| praznakartA : aba jise pUrNa kara lenA hai, usakI dazA aparigrahI honI cAhie, abhI kA pUrA vyavahAra khar3A hai, usakA nikAla kisa taraha kareM? usameM kisa taraha aparigrahI dazA lAe~? dAdAzrI : vaha to tujhe hI terA khuda kA patA cala jaaegaa| hameM phAiloM kA nikAla karanA hai na?

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 465 praznakartA : lekina jaba taka saMsAra vyavahAra hai, taba taka vaha bIca meM khar3A rahegA na? dAdAzrI : are, vyavahAra kA to nikAla kara detA hai jaldI se / plena kI TikiTa lI ho aura ekadama se barasAta A jAe, to kyA vaha nikAla kie bagaira baiThA rahegA? praznakartA : vaha to, koI rAstA nikAlakara pahu~ca jaaegaa| sahaja kisa taraha se raheM? praznakartA : deha ko sahaja karane ke lie koI sAdhana to cAhie na? dAdAzrI : hA~, sAdhana ke binA to sahaja kisa taraha ho pAe~ge? aura phira vApasa jJAnIpuruSa ke die hue sAdhana hone caahie| kaise? praznakartA : koI bhI sAdhana ho to nahIM calegA? kisI kA bhI diyA huA nahIM calegA? dAdAzrI : sahaja mArga prApta karanA hai, jise ajJAna dazA hai, bhrAMti kI dazA hai, usameM bhI sahaja rUpa se baratane kI zuruAta kare, taba sahaja mArga prApta hogaa| subaha agara vaha cAya rakha jAe to pInA aura na rakha jAe to koI bAta nhiiN| khAne kA vaha de de to khAnA, nahIM to mA~gakara nahIM khAnA caahie| vahA~ para aise-aise karake bhI nahIM khAnA caahie| vaisA sahaja yoga bahuta kaThina hai isa kAla meM to| satayuga meM sahaja yoga acchA thaa| abhI to loga binA mA~ge dete hI nahIM haiM na! sahaja yogavAlA mArA jAtA hai becArA! yaha muzkila cIz2a hai| koI kahe 'yahA~ para so jAo' to so jAnA hai| mA~gane kA samaya nahIM aataa| sahaja prApta saMyogoM meM hI rahanA par3e to sahaja mArga hai| bAkI dUsare sabhI to logoM ne kalpita sahaja mArga nikAle haiN| sahaja mArga to hai hI nhiiN| vaha koI laDDU khAne ke khela nahIM hai! sabhI taraha kI kalpita kalpanAe~ karate rahe haiN| eka mahInA agara sahaja raheM na to phira aura koI sahaja yoga karane

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466 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) jaisA hai hI nhiiN| eka hI mahInA sahaja raheM to bahuta ho gyaa| praznakartA : eka dina sahaja kisa prakAra se rahA jA sakatA hai? eka dina agara sahaja rUpa se bitAnA ho to kisa prakAra se? usakA vartana kaisA honA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vartana? sahaja prApta saMyoga, jo bAhara aura aMdara mana ke aura buddhi ke saMyogoM se pare haiM, taba sahaja prApta hotA hai| aMdara mana vagairaha jo saba zora macAte haiM, una sabhI se dUra rahakara, khuda ina saba ko dekhe aura jaane| aura bAhara sahaja prApta sNyog| do baje taka khAnA na mile to bhI kucha kaha nahIM skte| tIna baje, sAr3he tIna baje Ae to usa samaya, jisa samaya deM taba..... praznakartA : isa saMsAra kI jo z2immedAriyA~ nibhAnI haiM, unameM sahaja kisa taraha se rahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM rahA jA sktaa| vaha sahaja yoga to zAyada hI koI, araboM meM koI ekAdha iMsAna kara sakatA hai, zAyada hI kabhI! sahaja to, ve saba bAteM karane jaisI nahIM haiN| usake bajAya koI diyA prakaTa huA ho unase, jJAnI se kaheM, 'sAhaba, merA diyA prakaTa kara diijie|' to ve prakaTa kara deNge| jhaMjhaTa hI khatma ho gyaa| diyA prakaTa karane se matalaba hai na hameM to! usa jJAna mArga para sahaja rahA jA skegaa| hama to niraMtara sahaja hI rahate haiM, niraMtara sahaja! ___ sahajatA meM jo mile vo bhale hI, khIra-pUr3I aura mAlapue vagairaha, kahate haiM, 'jitanA khA sako, utanA khAo aura phira jaba roTI aura sabjI mile to ve bhI khaa| mAlapue aura khIra kA Adara mata karanA aura roTI ko haTAnA mt|' aba eka kA Adara kare aura dUsare kA anAdara kare, to aisA dhaMdhA hI kyoM? praznakartA : dAdA, sahaja honA hai, sahaja honA hai, aisA saba par3hA bahuta thA lekina sahaja kisa taraha se huA jA sakatA hai, vaha Apane yaha jo kahA na, ki 'yadi khIra mile to khA, roTI mile to khA,' ApakI usa bAta para se phira yaha cIz2a ki sahaja kisa taraha se honA, vaha samajha meM A jAtI hai|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 467 dAdAzrI : eka kA anAdAra nahIM aura dUsare kA Adara nahIM vaha shj| jo A mile usakA nAma shj| phira bhale hI kahe, 'bhAI, talA huA hai, talA huA hai, takalIpha degA!' are, talA huA to vikRta buddhivAle ko takalIpha detA hai| sahaja ko koI takalIpha nahIM detaa| jo AyA hai vaha khaa| AyA huA duHkha bhugata, AyA huA sukha bhog| jJAnI ke lie sukha-duHkha hotA hI nahIM hai na! lekina jo A par3e, vhii| aura agara kar3avA lage to rahane dete ho? praznakartA : nahIM, nikAla dete haiN| dAdAzrI : usase ceharA kaisA ho jAtA hai, vaise hone denA hai| hameM dakhalaMdAjI nahIM karanI hai, use sahaja kahate haiN| yaha pUrA mArga sahaja kA hai| praznakartA : 'sahaja milA so dUdha barAbara,' aisA kahate haiM to agara sahaja kI prApti prArabdha ke adhIna hai to puruSArtha meM kyA pharka? dAdAzrI : sahaja kI prApti prArabdha ke adhIna nahIM hai| vaha jJAna ke adhIna hai| agara ajJAna ho to asahaja hotA hai aura jJAna ho to sahaja hotA jAtA hai| agara ajJAna ho to asahaja hai na pUrI hI duniyaa| yaha to akrama vijJAna hai, krama-vrama kucha bhI nhiiN| karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai| jahA~ para kiyA jAtA hai, vahA~ para AtmA nahIM hai| kare, vahA~ para saMsAra hai aura jahA~ sahaja hai, vahA~ AtmA hai ! aprayAsa rUpa se vicare, vaha aMtima dazA yaha jaMjAla meM pha~satA hai, roz2a-roz2a aura adhika pha~satA jAtA hai| ghara meM bagIcA nahIM thA to vaha logoM kA bagIcA dekhakara bagIcA banAtA hai| phira vahA~ para khodatA rahatA hai, khAda lekara AtA hai, phira pAnI DAlatA rahatA hai| balki yaha jaMjAla bar3hAtA-bar3hAtA aura bar3hAtA hI jAtA hai| kitanA jaMjAla rakhane jaisA thA? praznakartA : khAne-pIne jitnaa|

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468 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~, jise Avazyaka kahA jAtA hai| Avazyaka arthAt jisake binA cale nhiiN| na khAe~ to kyA hogA? manuSyapanA bekAra calA jaaegaa| kyA hogA? yAnI ki aisA kucha nahIM hai ki abhI tU parAMThe aura pUraNapUrI (gujarAtI vyaMjana) vagairaha saba khaa| khicar3I yA dAla-cAvala jo kucha bhI ho, lekina Avazyaka, sirpha usI ke lie hameM paravaza rahanA thaa|' kisake lie? aavshyk| praznakartA : hA~ ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : aba, khAyA to kyA sirpha khAne se hI calatA hai? phira usakA pariNAma AtA hai, riz2alTa to AtA hai yA nahIM AtA, jo bhI karate ho usakA? aba Avazyaka ko kama kiyA jA sake, aisA hai bhI nhiiN| koI kahegA, ki 'mujhe kama karane hI haiM lekina ho nahIM rahe haiN|' beTe kI patnI zora macAtI hai| ghara meM patnI kica-kica karatI rahatI hai lekina agara mana meM aisA bhAva ho ki 'mujhe kama karane haiM, ' itanA bhAva ho jAe to bhI bahuta ho gyaa| anAvazyaka jitanA adhika hai, utanI hI adhika preshaanii| Avazyaka bhI parezAnI hai, phira bhI use parezAnI nahIM mAnA jaataa| usakI z2arUrata hai, islie| lekina sArA anAvazyaka to parezAnI hai| hara eka cIz2a, ve saba jo Avazyaka hai, vaha soce bagaira sahaja hI ho jAnA caahie| apane Apa hI honA caahie| pezAba karane kA iMtaz2Ara nahIM karanA pdd'taa| apane Apa hI A jAtI hai aura usameM jagaha bhI nahIM dekhtaa| aura inheM to, ina buddhizAliyoM ko to jagaha bhI dekhanI par3atI hai| jabaki sahaja to jahA~ pezAba karanA par3e, vahIM para ho jAtI hai, ina saba ko Avazyaka kahate haiN| praznakartA : yaha to ekadama aMtima dazA kI bAta huI na? dAdAzrI : aMtima hI na! nahIM to phira aura kauna sI? aMtima dazA

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 469 para se Age kI dazAe~ hama prApta karate jAe~ to vaisI dazA utpanna ho jAegI lekina pahale se hI dukAna bar3I karate gae hoM to? aMtima dazA dera se aaegii| praznakartA : agara aMtima dazA kI pikcara sAmane ho, tabhI vahA~ taka pahu~cA jA sakegA na? dAdAzrI : tabhI jA skeNge| aMtima dazA kI yaha eka pikcara batA rahA huuN| sirpha Avazyaka hI rhe| usameM thAlI-loTA vagairaha na ho aura Avazyaka meM bhI pezAba ghara Ane kI rAha na dekhe, vaha sahaja hai, isakA matalaba vahIM para, gAya-bhaisoM kI trh| unheM zarama vagairaha kucha nahIM hotii| gAya-bhaisoM ko zarama AtI hai? kyoM agara gAya zAdI ke maMDapa meM khar3I ho taba bhI? usa ghar3I bhI viveka nahIM rakhatI? praznakartA : bilkula bhI nahIM, kisI kI zarama nahIM rkhtii| sabhI ke kapar3e bigAr3a detI hai| to aisI sahaja sthiti ke samaya khuda kA upayoga kaisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : bilkula kampalITa! deha sahaja to AtmA bilkula kampalITa!! praznakartA : to usakI bAhara ke prati dRSTi hI nahIM hotI? dAdAzrI : vaha saba kampalITa hotA hai, bAhara vaha saba dikhatA rahatA hai| dRSTi meM hI A gayA sabakucha aura vahI sahaja Atma svarUpa hai, vaha parama guru hai| jinakA AtmA aisA sahaja rahe, vahI parama guru! praznakartA : to phira yaha abhI jo kahA na ki pezAba ghara DhU~Dhate haiM kyoMki zarama AtI hai, to vaha kise? vaha kyA cIz2a hai? dAdAzrI : viveka rahA hai na! vaha sahajatA nahIM rahane detaa| sahajatA meM to viveka vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| sahajatA meM to vaha kaba khAtA hai ki jaba sAmanevAlA de, tabhI khAtA hai| nahIM to mA~gatA bhI nahIM, usake bAre meM socatA bhI nahIM, kucha bhI nhiiN| bhUkha lage, taba bhI nhiiN|

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470 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : bhUkha lage, taba kyA karatA hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : usake udaya bhI aise hote haiM na ki bhUkha lage taba cIz2a mila jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to niyama hI aisA hai ki mila hI jAtI hai| sabakucha mila jAtA hai, shj| praznakartA : taba to phira bhojana Avazyaka meM hI AtA hai| kapar3evapar3e nahIM na? Avazyaka meM kapar3e nahIM Ate na? dAdAzrI : kucha nahIM hotA, Avazyaka arthAt kapar3e vagairaha kucha nahIM Ate usameM, sirpha deha kI z2arUrateM hii| sahaja dazA taka pahu~cane kI pairavI meM praznakartA : abhI ina saMyogoM meM haiM aura ye sArI AvazyakatA se bahuta adhika cIjeM haiM abhI aura yahA~ se Avazyaka(vAlI) sthiti taka pahu~cane kA saMdhisthAna kyA hai? rAstA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha kama hogA vaise-vaise| jitanA bar3hAe~ge utanI dera lgegii| kama kareMge to jaldI ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : kama karane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : kyoM? tujhe zAdI nahIM karanI hai to kyA kama nahIM ho jAegA? aura jise zAdI karanI ho use? praznakartA : bar3ha jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, to bs| koI nizcaya to honA cAhie na! sabakucha yojanApUrvaka hai yoM hI kyA gapa hai? mokSa meM jAnA hai to yojanApUrvaka honA cAhie na?

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 471 praznakartA : yojanApUrvaka arthAt khuda ko karanA par3atA hai, aisA? khuda ko yojanApUrvaka seTa karanA par3atA hai? aise saba nirNaya lene par3ate haiM? dAdAzrI : seTa nahIM karanA hai, vaha to seTa ho hI cukA hotA hai sabhI kuch| vaha to hama ye bAteM kara rahe haiN| isameM se bhAva jitanA kama hogA to rAste para A jAegA taba sahaja hogA, varnA sahaja kisa taraha se hogA! apane mana se mAnA huA nahIM clegaa| mana se mAnA huA agara eka bhI calA to vaha calegA kyA? praznakartA : agara zAdI nahIM karanI hai to usa dizA kA pUrA jaMjAla hI kama hotA jAegA.... dAdAzrI : jitanA jaMjAla kama utanA sahaja hotA jAegA aura utanA hI helpaphula bnegaa| jaMjAla Age bar3hAe~ to sahajatA kama hotI jAtI hai| hamane jo jJAna diyA hai, taba se thor3A sahaja huA hai, kucha aMzoM tk| aura agara koI kahe, 'calo na, aba dAdA ne phAila kahA hai to jitanI bhI kareM to usameM harja hI kyA hai ! use agara ulTA karanA ho to kyA hama manA kara sakate haiM? praznakartA : bAhara kI cIjeM kama hone ke lie aMdara kI jAgRti kaisI honI cAhie? dAdAzrI : aMdara kI jAgRti aisI honI cAhie ki cIjeM use duHkhadAI lagatI rheN| praznakartA : aba to Apane dikhA diyA hai ki Avazyaka cIz2oM ke alAvA bAkI sabhI cIjeM jitanI chor3I jA sakeM utanI chor3a hI denI caahie| aisA hI huA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI nahIM honI caahie| aura agara cIz2oM ne pakar3A huA ho to dhIre-dhIre kisa taraha se unheM chor3a deM, usI pairavI meM rahanA caahie| praznakartA : to use chor3a denA kisameM AtA hai| ye cIjeM nahIM honI cAhie kahA na?

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472 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : chor3a denA hai, zabdoM nahIM tolane haiM ismeN| yaha to hameM aMdara samajha jAnA hai ki 'isase kaba chUTeM!' khuda ko ahitakArI lage to turaMta chor3a de| dekho na, zAdI ke lie manA kara detA hai saaph-saaph| praznakartA : aisA sabhI bAtoM meM patA calanA cAhie na ki yaha cIz2a ahitakArI hai| dAdAzrI : jaba saba meM aisA lagegA taba kucha ho pAegA na! dUsarI cIz2oM meM inTaresTa hai abhI to| tumheM zAdI meM inTaresTa nahIM hai to sApha-sApha kaha dete ho ki nahIM hai meraa|' bAhara ke saMyoga Ae~ to bhI pheMka dete ho| aisA sabhI meM honA cAhie na! praznakartA : yA phira jo mukta hI hai, use jaba aisA aMdara pUrI taraha se yaha taya ho jAe ki 'yaha cIz2a merI nahIM hai' aura agara koI khIMca le jAe~ taba bhI aisA laganA cAhie ki 'maiM isase alaga hI hU~ na!' dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA saba honA cAhie, to harja nahIM hai| bharata rAjA ko aisA thA ki koI pUrA rAjya le le, rAniyA~ uThAkara le jAe phira bhI ha~seM, aise the yA phira vaha saba honA hI nahIM caahie| parigraha hone ke bAvajUda bhI saMpUrNa aparigrahI honA caahie| hamArA aisA hI hai, sabhI parigraha hone ke bAvajUda saMpUrNa aparigrahI! praznakartA : parigrahI hone ke bAvajUda bhI saMpUrNa aparigrahI, to isameM cIz2a aura khuda, inake bIca aisA kyA kanekzana rakhA? unheM kisa taraha se alaga kiyA? dAdAzrI : alaga nahIM kiyA hai, "aparigrahavAlA hI hU~ 'maiN|" praznakartA : lekina aisA kisa taraha se? kyoMki abhI ke sabhI saMyoga aise haiM ki eka bhI cIz2a haTAne se haTa sake, aisI hai nhiiN| bhAvanA meM hotA hai lekina pahalA rAstA yaha hai ki usa cIz2a se alaga ho jAnA hai| dAdAzrI : 'Ai' vidAuTa 'mAi' iz2a gaoNDa! yaha sArI parezAnI 'mAi' kI vajaha se haiN|

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[5] AtmA aura prakRti kI sahajatA se pUrNatva 473 praznakartA : arthAt 'mAi' ko nikAla deM, to cIz2a bhale vahIM kI vahIM rahI! dAdAzrI : hA~, basa! aMta meM isa deha ko sahaja karanA hai| jisane vaisA citraNa adhika kiyA huA hotA hai na, usane z2yAdA asahaja kiyA huA hai| isIlie use sahaja hone meM dera lagatI hai| hamane citraNa nahIM kiyA thA, isalie jhaTapaTa hl| sahaja ko dekhane se huA jAtA hai sahaja eka hI cIz2a kahI jAtI hai ki 'bhAI, AtmA to sahaja hai| tU aba isa pudgala ko sahaja kr|' aba 'sahaja kisa taraha se ho sakate haiM?' sahaja ko dekhane se sahaja ho jAte haiN| jJAnI ko dekhane se, unakI sahaja kriyAoM ko dekhane se sahaja ho jAte haiN| agara koI pUche ki 'kaoNleja meM nahIM sIkha sakate?' to kaoNleja meM nahIM sIkha pAoge yh| kyoMki una prophesaroM ko bhAna hI nahIM hai, to phira kaoNleja meM kisa prakAra sIkha pAoge? aura yaha jJAna zabda rUpa nahIM hai, yaha to sahaja kriyA hai| jaise luTeroM ke pAsa kisI bacce ko chor3a diyA jAe to vaha chaH mahIne meM to pharsTaklAsa luTerA bana jAegA aura agara bIsa sAla taka luTeroM ke kaoNleja meM par3hane jAe to bhI nahIM bana paaegaa| usI prakAra agara jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa rahe, to apane Apa hI sahajatA utpanna ho hI jAtI hai| anAdi kAla se atyaMta caMcalatA utpanna ho gaI hai, vaha caMcalatA aba dhIre, dhIre, dhIre zAMta hote-hote sahajatA utpanna ho jAtI hai| mujhe koI gAliyA~ de rahA ho, usa samaya merI sahajatA dekhakara Apako mana meM aisA hogA ki 'ohoho, aisA!' to Apa turaMta hI vaha sIkha jAoge! dekhA ki sIkha jAte haiN| phira koI Apako gAliyA~ de to bhI sahajatA rakhanA A jaaegaa| nahIM to lAkha janmoM taka bhI sIkhA nahIM jA sktaa| jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa rahane se sabhI guNa apane Apa hI prakaTa hote jAte haiM, sahaja rUpa se prakaTa hote haiM ! akrama vijJAna meM kahA jAtA hai, aisA

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474 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kahane (batAne) kA bhAvArtha bhI itanA hI hai ki(jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa rahane se) sahaja hotA jAtA hai! praznakartA : akrama vijJAna jo hai, vaha sahaja yoga se kucha alaga hai kyA? dAdAzrI : sahaja yoga hI hai yh| pUrNa vijJAna hai yh| sahaja yoga arthAt asahaja nhiiN| yaha pUrI duniyA to kalpita hai aura yaha sahaja hai| akrama vijJAna, vaha pUrNa vijJAna hai| yaha pUrNa vijJAna arthAt jaba taka adhUrA hai, taba taka asahaja, pUrNa huA to sahaja ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : maiM aisA mAnatA hU~ ki yaha jo akrama vijJAna hai to jo regyUlara yoga hai, yama-niyama-Asana-dhAraNa-dhyAna-samAdhi una saba kI koI z2arUrata nahIM par3atI? dAdAzrI : usakI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai na! aSTAMga yoga kI pUrNAhuti ho jAe taba jAkara yaha pada prApta hotA hai| isase pUrNAhuti ho jAtI hai! tabhI sahaja ho sakatA hai na, nahIM to sahaja nahIM ho pAegA na! aSTAMga yoga vaha mukhya mArga hai aura yaha (akrama vijJAna) to kabhI-kabhI, apavAda rAstA hai| zAyada hI kabhI yaha utpanna hotA hai| bAkI mUla mArga aSTAMga yoga vAlA hai, yaha to apavAda hai| hamezA ke lie nahIM rahatA hai yaha maarg| apavAda meM jitanoM ko dizA mila gaI, utane logoM kA kAma ho gyaa|

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA pudgala nAce aura AtmA dekhe pudgala saMpUrNa saMsArI nAca kare aura AtmA dekhe tabhI kahA jAegA ki phula sTaoNpa A gyaa| sarva saMsArI nAca karatA hai, aisA nahIM hai ki 'bhAI, yaha hameM nahIM caahie| aisA hogA to yaha ho jAegA, mujhe cipaka pdd'egaa|' philma meM kATa-pITa nahIM karanI caahie| kucha bhAga nikAla diyA jAe to kanekzana nahIM milegA isalie pUrI philma sahaja honI caahie| saMsArI sahaja philma jaisI bhI hai vaisI bahuta acchI hai| tyAgI ko tyAgI kI sahaja philma ho to clegaa| use sahaja honI cAhie lekina bIca meM kaTa oNpha kI huI aisI nahIM caahie| mujhe yaha nahIM calegA aura mujhe yaha clegaa| are bhAI, tU philma ko isa taraha se kATatA kyoM rahatA hai? jo huA hai, use calane de na yahA~ se! bahuta dinoM taka aisA kiyA hai| aba ThikAne para A gayA hai| vApasa use phira se ulTA kisalie kara rahA hai? aisA kara-kara ke hI to isa ThikAne taka pahu~cA hai| yaha cAhie aura yaha nahIM cAhie, aise karate-karate ThikAne para Ae~ge yA nahIM Ae~ge? aba ThikAne para Ane ke bAda vApasa aisA hI karanA hai? kahatA hai aba mujhe chaH vigaI (jaina zAstra zabda) kA tyAga kara denA hai| are, chor3a na aba, vigaI kA tyAga karegA to tU khAegA kyA? gur3a, ghI, dahI, makkhana-vakkhana, vaha saba vigaI meM AtA hai na? tela-vela sbkuch| are, chor3ane kI bhakti kara rahA hai yA bhagavAna kI kara rahA hai? bhagavAna kI bhakti kara rahA hai? bhagavAna kisa ghara meM haiM aura vaha kisakI bhakti kara rahA hai?

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476 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ataH hameM kahanA hai ki jaba AtmA pudgala kA saMpUrNa nAca dekhe taba samajhanA ki phula sTaoNpa A gayA hai| kisI bhI nAca meM rasa (ruci) na le to saMpUrNa (sthiti) A gaI / ruci nahIM lenI caahie| ruci kaba nahIM legA ki jaba khuda pUrNa svarUpa hogA tbhii| to Apako vaha pUrNa svarUpa diyA hai, ruci na leM aisA hI diyA hai| aura adhUrA svarUpa ruci letA hai| isakA tyAga karanA par3egA, aisA karanA pdd'egaa| dakhala hai uskii| kaba tyAga nahIM kiyA thA? kauna se janma meM tyAga nahIM kiyA? aura vApasa phira vahI kA vahI grahaNa karatA hai| ye jo sAdhu banate haiM na, ve isa janma meM sAdhu banate haiM, phira jaba bur3hApA Ane lagatA hai taba parezAna ho jAtA hai are isameM.... isake bajAya to saMsArI rahanA hI acchA thaa| ataH do cIjeM rakhanI cAhie, yA to vartamAna meM barate, yA phira khuda ke pudgala ko khuda dekhe| maiMne ApakA AtmA itanA adhika zuddha kara diyA hai ki Apa hara prakAra se khuda ke pudgala ko dekha sakate ho|| dekhate-dekhate khuda kA ujAlA hai na, vaha bar3ha jAtA hai aura sukha bhI bar3hatA jAtA hai| sukha nahIM bar3hA hai? to kahate haiM, sukha to bahuta bar3hA hai| to phira bhAI isameM harja kyA hai? ye saba zikAyateM to pudgala kI tarapha kI haiN| lekina pudgalapakSa apanA hai hI nahIM, phira kaba taka usake sAtha dostI rakheM? pudgala se phrenDazipa itanI mAra par3avAtI hai to kaba taka rakheM? dhIredhIre ise halkA nahIM kiyA jA sakatA? mitratA kama nahIM kI jA sakatI? apanA koI mitra ho aura vaha bahuta dagAbAz2I kare to phira? dhIre-dhIre mitratA kama kara dete haiN| usI taraha isameM bhI kama kara denA hai| ___ pahale dekho phira jAno praznakartA : Apane AptavANI meM kahA hai ki Apa jAnate ho lekina dekhate nahIM ho,' vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : caMdUbhAI, kyA kara rahe haiM, cAya pI, khAyA-pIyA, yaha saba dekho| yaha to sirpha jAnatA hai lekina dekhatA nahIM hai na! pudgala ko niraMtara dekhate hI rahanA caahie| pahalA pharz2a yahI hai, jAnane kA pharja bAda meM haiN|

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 477 praznakartA : yaha dekhanA, to vaha kisa taraha se? dAdAzrI : yaha kyA kara rahA hai aisA nahIM dikhatA bhalA? ye caMdUbhAI pUre dina kyA karate haiM, vaha mujhe dikhAI detA hai| vaisA hI 'Apako' bhI dikhanA caahie| basa, itanA hii| vaisA hI, phira naI Diz2Aina kA nhiiN| koI naI Diz2Aina yA kucha bhI nahIM ki usameM aMdara ArkiTekacara ko lAne kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jaisA mujhe dikhAI detA hai vaisA hI Apako dikhanA caahie| praznakartA : Apane eka bAra bAta kI bhI ki caMdUbhAI khAnA khA rahe hoM to jaisA darpaNa meM dikhAI detA hai, usI taraha se dikhAI denA caahie| dAdAzrI : hA~, yAnI ki vaisA hI dikhAI denA caahie| vaha darpaNa ko dikhe yA mujhe dikhe, saba eka samAna hI hai na! vaisA hI dikhAI denA caahie| kyA vaha muzkila hai? praznakartA : dAdA, vaha Apake lie AsAna hai lekina hamAre lie to muzkila hI hai n| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina vaha dhIre-dhIre phiTa kara lenA hai, phira apane Apa hI phiTa ho jaaegaa| usa tarapha dRSTi nahIM jAegI to phira vaha phiTa kisa taraha se hogA? mahAvIra bhagavAna to eka hI kArya karate the ki mahAvIra kyA kara rahe haiM use dekhate rahate the, bs| bAkI kisI jhaMjhaTa meM the hI nhiiN| mahAvIra jaba jaga rahe hote taba unheM jAgRta avasthA meM dekhate the, maiM dekha rahA hU~ usa taraha se| maiM dekha rahA hoU~ na usa taraha se Apako' dekhanA hai| koI jAgRta aura samajhadAra vyakti dekhatA hI rahatA hai, apanA sabakucha nirIkSaNa karatA rahatA hai| usa prakAra se 'Apako' nirIkSaNa karanA hai, itanA hI hai na! dasaroM kA karane kI zakti to sabhI logoM meM haiM lekina yaha to khuda kA nirIkSaNa karane kI zakti ! kyoMki anAdi se isa cIz2a kA abhyAsa nahIM hai na, isalie vahA~ para kaccA par3a jAtA hai| darpaNa meM dekhakara AsAna kara dete haiN| aisA karate-karate prekTisa ho jAegI kyoMki 'anAdi kAla se isa taraha se dekhA hI nahIM hai na kyoMki

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478 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) 'yaha maiM khuda hI hU~' to phira dekhane ko rahA hI kahA~!' yaha to khuda judA huA isalie dekha sakatA hai| dekhanevAlA judA ho gayA ! ___ ataH aMtima jJAtA-dRSTA to, caMdUbhAI hI A-jA rahe hoM to Apako aisA dikhe ki 'ohoho, Aie caMdUbhAI, Aie cNduubhaaii|' caMdUbhAI bAta kara rahe hoM to bhI Apako judA dikheN|| dekhane se hotI hai zuddhi praznakartA : Apa zuddhAtmA ke rUpa meM rahakara apane ahaMkAra-mana aura buddhi ko dekhate rahate haiM aura phira Apane kahA hai ki unheM zuddha kie bagaira ApakA chuTakArA nahIM ho sktaa| to phira jisa ghar3I unheM zuddhAtmA pada prApta huA, to ve yoM hI zuddha nahIM ho jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : vaha to agara hamArI AjJA kA pAlana karoge taba dekha skoge| ve dekhane se zuddha ho jaaeNge| unheM azuddha dekhA, azuddha kalpanA kI isalie baMdha ge| unheM zuddha dekhA to phira mukta ho ge| praznakartA : sirpha use dekhate rahane se hI vaha prakiyA zurU ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, vaha Apako dekhate rahanA hai| caMdUbhAI kI buddhi kyA kara rahI hai, caMdUbhAI kA mana kyA kara rahA hai, use dekhate rahanA hai| aura phira Apako ghabarAnA nahIM hai, ghabarAe~ge to log| caMdUbhAI ko Apa jAnate ho ki 'isa bhAI kA svabhAva zurU se hI aisA hai|' ise sIdhA karane jAe~ to na jAne kitane hI janma bigar3a jAe~! mAla acchA ho to bhI pheMka denA hai aura kharAba mAla ho to bhI pheMka denA hai| pheMka hI denA hai na! yAnI svabhAva meM A gae, phira kyA? ataH dekhate rahanA hai| mAla jo bhI hai, usakI kImata nahIM hai, no vailyuu| AtmA prApta karane ke bAda phira pudgala kI kisI bhI taraha kI vailyU nahIM hai| jo bahuta aklamaMda thA, vaha aklamaMda balki aura bhI jyAdA parezAna huaa| z2arUrata se z2yAdA aklamaMda to mAra hI khAtA rahatA hai, aisA hai yaha jagat !

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 479 praznakartA : to kisI ko zAbAzI denI cAhie yA nahIM denI cAhie? dAdAzrI : deM yA nahIM deM, vaha caMdUbhAI dete haiM na! Apako kahA~ denI hai? Apako nahIM denI hai| caMdUbhAI deM use dekhanA hai, nahIM de use bhI dekhanA hai| caMdUbhAI kyA karate haiM, use hameM dekhate rahanA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra pare dina eka hI kAma karate the, eka hI pudgala ko dekhate rahate the, kahA~-kahA~ aMdara parivartana hotA hai, anya kyA spaMdana ho rahA hai, vahI saba dekhate rahate the aNdr| A~kha kI palakeM phar3aphar3Ae~ to unheM bhI dekhate rahate the| aba bhagavAna mahAvIra jo yaha saba dekhate the na, vaha loga dekhate haiM na, usase kucha alaga dekhate the| loga to indriya dRSTi se dekhate haiM aura bhagavAna atIndriya dRSTi se dekhate the| jo indriya dRSTivAle ko nahIM dikhatA hai, vaha sArA bhAga bhagavAna ko dikhatA thaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, yoM dekhate rahane kI jo yaha bAta hama kahate haiM lekina vAstava meM to sabase bar3A puruSArtha to vahI huA n| jJAtA-dRSTA meM rahanA aura pudgala ko dekhate rhnaa| dAdAzrI : vahI aMtima purussaarth| bhagavAna mahAvIra karate the vh| eka AcArya mahArAja ne pUchA ki 'bhagavAna, Apa ye saba kyA dekhate rahate haiM?' to bhagavAna ne kahA, 'maiM to pudgala ko hI dekhatA rahatA huuN| bAkI saba to ina A~khoM se dikhatA hI hai| use dekhanA nahIM khte|' maiMne to Apako rAstA dikhAyA hai 'dekhane' kA, kyoMki abhI Apako ThIka se pudgala ko dekhanA nahIM aaegaa| ataH maiMne kyA kahA hai ki riyala aura rileTiva dekho, bAhara hara eka kA rileTiva dikhegaa| usake aMdara riyala dekho to tIna ghaMTe isa taraha se dekhate jAoge na to itanI suMdara samAdhi rhegii| tIna ghaMTe nahIM, eka hI ghaMTe agara dekhoge to bhI puNiyA zrAvaka jaisI samAdhi rhegii| aura jaba auroM ke sAtha vyavahAra karo na, koI gAliyA~ de rahA ho to vaha gAlI denevAle ke rUpa meM dikhanA hI nahIM caahie| zuddhAtmA dekhanA caahie| kauna gAlI de rahA hai vaha dekhanA cAhie aura vaha kauna hai, use bhI

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480 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dekhanA caahie| donoM jJAna eka sAtha rahane caahie| aura apanA jJAna sabhI ko aisA rakha sakatA hai| praznakartA : Apane dRSTi dI hai na, daadaa| dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : yadi dRSTi nahIM dI hotI na to ye sArI bAteM sirpha zabdoM meM hI rhtiiN| dAdAzrI : ye pA~ca AjJAe~ dI haiM na, inameM sabhI kucha A jAtA hai! par3hatA raha khuda kI hI kitAba praznakartA : dAdA ne kahA hai, 'terI hI kitAba par3hatA raha, anya koI kitAba par3hane jaisI nahIM hai| yaha khuda kI hI jo pudgala kitAba hai, yaha mana-vacana-kAyA kI, usI ko par3ha, anya kucha par3hane jaisA nahIM hai!' dAdAzrI : ise par3hanA AsAna nahIM hai bhAI! 'vIra' kA kAma hai| AsAna hone ke bAvajUda bhI AsAna nahIM hai| muzkila hone ke bAvajUda bhI AsAna hai| hama niraMtara isa jJAna meM rahate haiM lekina phira bhI mahAvIra bhagavAna kI taraha nahIM raha paate| vaise to 'vIra' hI raha sakate haiM! hamArI to cAra aMza kI kamI haiM ! itanA bhI nahIM cala sakatA na vahA~ para! lekina dRSTi vahIM kI vahIM rahatI hai| tIrthaMkara bhagavAna niraMtara khuda ke jJAna meM hI rahate the| jJAnamaya pariNAma hI the| jJAna meM kaise rahate hoMge? aisA kauna sA jJAna unheM honA bAkI hai ki unheM usameM rahanA par3e? jo kevalajJAna kI sattA para baiThe hue puruSa haiM to kauna sA jJAna bAkI hai ki jisameM unheM rahanA ho, to vaha hai khuda ke eka pudgala meM hI dRSTi rakhakara usI ko dekhate rahate haiN| bhagavAna mahAvIra dekhate hI rahate the ki kyA kara rahe haiM aura kyA nahIM? devatAoM ne jaba khaTamala kA upadrava kiyA, taba idhara-udhara karavaTa badalate rhe| use ve khuda dekhate the| 'mahAvIra' aise karavaTa badalate rahe, zarIra kA

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 481 svabhAva hai| 'mahAvIra' ho yA phira koI bhI ho, zarIra kA svabhAva hai| sirpha ahaMkArI loga hI jo cAhe so kara sakate haiN| khaTamala to kyA, lekina agara unheM jalA deM to bhI ve hileM nahIM kyoMki pUrI Atmazakti usI meM rahatI hai| 'hA~, jo honA ho vaha ho jAe, lekina hilanA to hai hI nahIM, aisA taya kiyA hotA hai| lekina dekho, Atmazakti kitanI! aura yaha to sahajabhAvI, kevalajJAnI aura sabhI jJAnI sahajabhAva se rote bhI haiM, A~khoM se pAnI nikala jAtA hai, cIkha bhI par3ate haiN| jaba khaTamala kATeM na, to karavaTa badalate haiN| yoM idhara-udhara karavaTa badalate haiN| sabhI kucha dekhate haiN| pahale karma khapAne meM gayA, phira dekhane meM gayA, niraMtara dekhaa| eka hI pudgala meM dRSTi rkhii| sabhI pudgala kA jo hai, vaha eka hI pudgala meN| khuda ke pudgala kA hI dekhanA hai jo ki vilaya ho jAtA hai! __bhagavAna mahAvIra kyA karate the, unheM dikhAI detA thA ki 'ye mahAvIra kaise dikha rahe haiM?' bhagavAna mahAvIra, 'mahAvIra' ko hI dekhate rahate the ! unake khuda ke eka pudgala ke alAvA aura kisI pudgala ko dekhate hI nahIM the| yaha pudgala arthAt pUraNa-galana, jo ho rahA hai| to yaha pUraNa ho jAtA hai, galana ho jAtA hai| pUraNapUrI (vyaMjana) khAyA to vaha pUraNa ho gayA, jalebI khAI vaha pUraNa ho gii| yaha kyA galana huA, aisA sabakucha dekhate hI rahate the nirNtr| aMdara zvAsa gayA, bAMdrA (muMbaI kA upanagara) kI khAr3I AI taba, kaisA zvAsa(gaMdha) aMdara gayA use bhI jAnate-dekhate rahate haiN| bAMdrA kI khAr3I aae| taba kaisA zvAsa aMdara jAtA hai? praznakartA : hA~, taba durgaMdha AtI hai.... dAdAzrI : loga nAka dabAe~, taba bhI ghusa jaaegaa| eka hI pudgala ke rUpa meM dekhate the| eka pudgala arthAt dvaMdva nahIM rakhate ki yaha burA hai, yaha acchA hai! yaha vANI kharAba nikalI, yaha acchI nikalI, aisA saba nhiiN| eka hI! yaha saba pudgala hI hai| praznakartA : phira to zuddhAtmA kI dRSTi se acchA-burA rahatA hI nhiiN|

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482 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : yaha acchA-burA to jaisI dRSTi se hama samajhe the, vaisI bana cukI hai| isalie yaha bana cukI dRSTi hI aisA karavAtI hai| bAkI, eka hI pudgala hai, sahI-galata hotA hI nahIM hai| sahI-galata samAja meM hai aura vaha bhI phira sApekSatA hai| abhI koI hiMdU bahuta bhUkhA ho, tIna dina se aura agara mAMsAhAravAlI thAlI deM to kaheMge, 'nahIM bhAI, hama bhale kitane hI bhUkhe hoM lekina hameM AmiSa nahIM cAhie' jabaki anya koI khuza hokara le leNge| ataH isa prakAra se hai sb| aba hameM mAMsAhAra kA vicAra Ae to mana meM ghina A jAtI hai| aba isameM sahI-galata nahIM hai| vahA~ para merA kahanA kyA hai ki vahA~ AmiSa kaho yA nirAmiSa kaho, sabakucha pudgala hI hai| pudgala arthAt jo pUraNa kiyA huA thA vahI galana ho rahA hai abhI, abhI galana ho rahA hai| galana hote samaya dikhatA hai, pUraNa karate samaya kyA nahIM dikha rahA thA? taba kahate haiM, dikhA thA lekina usakA bhAna nahIM hai| galana hote samaya aba dikhAI detA hai| aura jaba nayA pUraNa nahIM hotA, taba vahA~ para sTaoNpa A jAtA hai| nayA pUraNa kaba nahIM hotA? to vaha taba ki jaba pravRti meM nivRtti rahe, taba nayA pUraNa nahIM hotaa| arthAt Apa pravRti karate ho usake bAvajUda bhI Apako karma baMdhana nahIM hotA, usI ko nivRtti kahate haiN| isa saMsAra se nivRtti ke bAre meM to, isa bAharI sthUla svabhAva se logoM ko samajha meM AtA hai| jaba taka isa kAma meM thA, taba taka vaha baila ghAnI meM cakkara lagA rahA thaa| aba cakkara nahIM lagA rhaa| samyaktva ke bAda mAtra galana hI jagat ke logoM meM jo pUraNa aura galana donoM hote haiM, ve moha kahalAte haiM, lekina sirpha agara galana hI ho aura pUraNa nahIM ho to vaha hai caaritrmoh| logoM ko aisA lagatA hai ki yaha moha hai lekina hama aisA jAnate haiM ki phAila kA nikAla ho rahA hai| kyA dikhAI detA hai Apako? hama bhI ise yoM pudgala kahate haiN| eka lAkha loga Age-pIche ghUmate rahate the lekina mahAvIra bhagavAna sirpha eka pudgala ko hI dekhate rahate the kyoMki jo pUraNa kiyA huA hai, vahI galana ho rahA hai| yAnI samakitI jIvoM meM vaha eka hI kArya ho rahA hai| lekina

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 483 jahA~ samyaktva nahIM hai vahA~ para do kArya ho rahe haiM, ve pUraNa bhI karate haiM aura galana bhI karate haiN| aura yaha pUraNa kie hue kA sirpha galana hI karatA hai| ataH koI jaina kA pudgala ho to jaina kA galana karatA rahatA hai, vaiSNava kA ho to vaiSNava kA galana karatA hai, zivavAlA ziva kA karatA hai| mocI ho to vaha mocI kA, suthAra ho to suthAra kA, luhAra ho to luhAra kaa| loga buddhi se dekhate haiM, alaga-alaga taraha kI aura khuda hI vApasa khuda kI philma bigAr3ate haiN| usa becAre ne jo bharA hai vahI khAlI kara rahA hai, usameM Apa kyoM aise bigAr3a rahe ho? aba isameM kisa taraha se samajheMge loga? praznakartA : jaba jJAnIpuruSa kI pratyakSatA hotI hai to isa cIz2a ke bAre meM kAphI patA cala jAtA hai| ye paheliyA~ AsAnI se sulajha jAtI haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, sulajha jAtI haiN| nahIM to sulajheM hI nahIM na! zAstroM se hala AtA hI nahIM hai na! niber3A hI nahIM AtA na! isIlie kRpAludeva ne likhA hai na, 'zAstroM se niber3A nahIM hai|' eka pudgala ko dekheM to phira koI jhaMjhaTa hI nhiiN| nahIM to buddhi alaga-alaga dikhAtI hai ki ye loga aisA kyoM kara rahe haiM, ye loga aisA kyoM kara rahe haiM?' are bhAI, samakitI jIva haiN| unakA jo sArA mAla nikala rahA hai vaha to usane jo bharA thA, usakA vahI mAla khAlI ho rahA hai| usameM tU kyoM parezAna ho rahA hai? jaina pudgala aura vaiSNava pudgala kA matalaba kyA hai ki unhoMne jo mAla bharA thA, usI ko khAlI kara rahe haiN| praznakartA : phira AsAnI se samAdhAna rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : samAdhAna hI rhegaa| yaha jJAna hI samAdhAnI hai, sarva samAdhAnI hai| hara samaya para, hara kAla meM aura hara jagaha para samAdhAna rahe aisA yaha jJAna hai, akrama vijnyaan| koI gAlI de jAe to bhI samAdhAna rahatA hai| caMdUbhAI kisI ko gAlI de to bhI samAdhAna rahatA hai ki caMdUbhAI kA bharA huA mAla nikala rahA hai| usI taraha sAmanevAle kA bhI bharA huA mAla nikala rahA hai|

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484 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : lekina pahale caMdUbhAI ko dekha nahIM pAtA thA na! dAdAzrI : pahale to dekha hI nahIM sakatA thaa| jaba taka samyaktva dRSTi na khule taba taka sabakucha ulTA hI dekhatA hai na! taba taka pUraNa bhI karatA hai aura galana bhI karatA hai, donoM karatA hai jabaki isameM yaha sirpha galana hI karatA hai| aura kucha nahIM krtaa| abhI koI baiThA-baiThA bAhara sigareTa pI rahA ho to kisI ke mana meM aisA hotA hai ki yaha kyA? buddhivAle saba cauMka jAte haiN| 'are bhAI, usane pUraNa kiyA hai usakA galana karane de na becAre ko!' kramika mArga meM samyaktva hone ke bAda isI bAta kI ulajhana rahatI hai| taraha taraha kI ulajhaneM! buddhi hai na! aMta taka buddhi se nApatA rahatA hai| yaha thor3A bahuta hila jAte ho yA nahIM rAste meM? thor3A bahuta aisA hotA hai na ki aisA hai yA vaisA hai? praznakartA : nahIM, nahIM lgtaa| dAdAzrI : to ThIka hai| kahe to bhI parezAnI nahIM hai na hameM! acchA-burA, donoM hI pudgala isa pudgala ke do bhAga haiN| yaha acchA hai aura yaha burA,yaha naphA hai aura yaha nukasAna, isa prakAra se do bhAga haiM, kramika aisA kahatA hai| jabaki yaha akrama kahatA hai ki eka hI pudgala hai, aura kucha hai hI nhiiN| eka pudgala hI hai isalie phira cAhe acchA ho yA burA ho, bhagavAna ko koI parezAnI nahIM hai| acchA-burA to samAja vyavasthA ke lie hai| naphAnukasAna kisa AdhAra para hai? vyavahAra ke hisAba se hI hai na! bAkI sArA eka hI pudgala hai| acchA-burA nahIM hai| acchA dekhane para rAga hotA hai, burA dekhane para dveSa hotA hai| hai eka hI pudgl| vaha to logoM ne isakA vibhAjana kiyA hai bhrAMti se| saba pudgala kI bAz2I hai| pudgala kI hI bAz2I hai| yaha dhAna kA tinakA (cArA) hotA hai to vaha laMbA ho yA choTA lekina hai to dhAna kA tinakA hI na! kAgaz2avAle kyA kahate haiM ki ise agara gAya-bhaisa nahIM khA rahe haiM, to vaha dhAna kA tinakA hameM clegaa| kAgaz2a banAne ke lie hameM yaha bhI calegA aura vaha bhI clegaa|

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 485 hamAre lie eka hI hai| usa dhAna ke tinake para z2arA pAnI gira jAe barasAta kA to phira gAya ko vaha bhAtA nahIM hai, isalie ve nahIM khaatiiN| bahuta bhUkha lagI ho to khA letI haiN| isalie vaha kahatA hai ki 'kAma ke nahIM haiM ye dhAna ke tinake,' apanA bhI yaha aisA hI hai| vAstava meM aisA nahIM hai| vAstava meM to yaha pudgala aura yaha cetana, aisA jise patA hai, use sabhI kucha patA hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se banA hai yaha sArA pudgl| saMyoga se banI huI sabhI cIjeM pudgala haiM, svabhAva se banI huI vastu cetana hai| A~kheM mIcakara kyA dekhanA hai? praznakartA : aba khuda ke pudgala ko hI dekhanA hai, anya koI dhyAna nahIM karanA hai| dAdAzrI : usameM to koI parezAnI nahIM hai| usI kI to z2arUrata hai| use dhyAna nahIM khte| use dRSTA aura dRzya kahate haiN| praznakartA : ataH apane lie aba zarIra ko hI dekhane kI bAta hai| dAdAzrI : usameM koI harja nahIM hai| una saba kI to z2arUrata hai hI na! eka pudgala ko hI dekhate rahanA hai| eka pudgala kA matalaba kyA hai? bahuta hI kImatI ho vaha bhI pudgala aura jisakI koI bhI vailyU nahIM ho, vaha bhI pudgl| ataH sabhI pudgala ko eka jaisA mAnanA hai| pudgala arthAt vinaashii| khuda dRSTA baneM taba patA calatA hai ki aMdara kyA hai, jAnane kA prayatna kare taba jJAtA banatA hai, ataH pudgala jJeya hai| eka pudgala kA matalaba kyA? praznakartA : eka pudgala arthAt Apa kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : ye sabhI kucha jo dikhAI detA hai, alaga-alaga dikhAI detA hai lekina hai pudgala arthAt pUraNa-galana svabhAva hI hai| ataH ve pUre

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486 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) zarIra meM sirpha pudgala ko hI dekhate haiM, aura kucha nahIM dekhte| vizeSaNa nahIM dete, aisA kahanA cAhate haiN| praznakartA : eka hI pudgala dekhate haiM arthAt Apa aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki pUraNa-galana hI dekhate rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : eka hI pudgala, anya kucha vizeSa nhiiN| ina saba ko jo mAno ve saba eka pudgala hI haiM aura kucha hai hI nahIM yh| yAnI ki 'ye sAre jJeya pudgala rUpI hI haiM, ata: maiM inheM koI vizeSaNa nahIM denA caahtaa|' ye hisAba jo pUraNa kie hue haiM, ina saba kA galana hogA, ye saba gAr3ha haiN| eka hI pudgala; phira gAya ho yA bhaiMsa ho| praznakartA : mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra, ve saba pudgala meM A gae? mana-buddhi-citta kaheM to vaha saba pudgala meM A gayA? dAdAzrI : pudgala meM hara eka cIz2a A gii| ahaMkAra-vahaMkAra vagairaha sabhI kuch| pUrA jagat pudgala meM hI A jAtA hai| jo kucha bhI indriyoM se dikhAI detA hai, vaha saaraa| praznakartA : apane pudgala meM yA sAmanevAle ke pudgala meM jo kucha bhI hotA hai, vaha pUraNa-galana hI hai| dAdAzrI : AtmA ke alAvA bAkI sabhI kucha pudgala hai| use phira hamane bahuta laMbA khiiNcaa| loga kahate haiM, 'kucha z2yAdA btaaie|' taba maiMne kahA, 'zaucAlaya, bhojanAlaya aura pUraNa-galana va shuddhaatmaa| ye jo sabhI sAmAna lAte haiM, vaha bhojanAlaya hai aura ye jo saMDAsa vagairaha meM jAte haiM, ye saba bIr3iyA~ pheMka dete haiM, ve sabhI zaucAlaya haiN| pUraNa-galana aura zuddhAtmA, anya kucha hai hI nhiiN| logoM ne buddhi se usI ke vibhAjana kie| 'yaha to sonA hai, cA~dI hai, yaha sIsA hai, lohA hai|' buddhi kI kasauTI se saba vibhAga kie| praznakartA : cAhe kucha bhI ho lekina phira bhI pudgala hI hai? dAdAzrI : pudgala hI hai| yaha sArA hI pudgala hai|

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 487 aba jo rUpI paramANu, rUpI haiM, unakA mukhya guNa kauna sA hai? to vaha hai, pUraNa-galana kA svbhaav| jo pUraNa huA hai, galana hotA rahatA hai, galana ho gayA ho to vApasa pUraNa hotA rahatA hai| ataH pUraNa-galana, pUraNagalana, pUraNa-galana hotA hI rahatA hai| yahA~ se khAnA DAlA aura pAnI pIyA to phira saMDAsa meM, bAtharUma meN| yahA~ se zvAsa liyA to ucchvaas| yoM pUraNa-galana, pUraNa-galana hotA hI rahatA hai| nahIM hotA? praznakartA : hotA hai na! dAdAzrI : yaha saba usakA guNa hai| mahAvIra kyA tapa karate the, vaha samajha gae na Apa?! adITha tapa! mahAvIra sirpha eka hI pudgala ko kisa taraha se dekhate the? aMdara kI hI saba gatividhiyA~, sabhI kriyAe~, aMdara honevAle spaMdana mAtra taka ke jAnakAra rahate the ve| bAkI bAhara kA kucha bhI nahIM dekhate the, isI kA dekhate the| praznakartA : krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA yoM pRththakaraNa karanA ho, to vizeSa pariNAma svarUpa aham khar3A huA, kyA usake bAda ye vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiM? phira agara krodha hotA hai, to krodha aura aham kA kyA saMbaMdha dAdAzrI : vaha saba pudgala hai lekina pudgala meM hAtha DAlakara kyA karanA hai? zuddhAtmA ke alAvA sabhI kucha pudgala hai, usameM hAtha DAlane se kyA matalaba hai? tujhe pudgala meM se kucha nikAlanA hai? usakA arka nikAlanA hai? praznakartA : yaha sArA saMbaMdha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : samajhane jaisA AtmA hai aura bAkI kA sArA pudgl| to jo pudgala meM hai, usakA tujhe kucha karanA hai kyA? to phira use vistAra se samajheM! usameM se kyA tujhe kucha pudgalasAra bAhara nikAlanA hai? sirpha AtmA hI pUrNa karanA hai yA aMdara sAra bhI nikAlanA hai pudgala kA? praznakartA : AtmA hI pUrNa karanA hai|

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488 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : phira jo isa pudgala meM ghusa gae, unakA to phira patA hI nahIM calA, nikale hI nhiiN| praznakartA : vaha saba samajhane ke lie aura jAnane ke lie hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, use samajhane ke lie yadi gaharAI meM utare na, usameM ghusa gae na to phira usake bAda mile nahIM hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna kyA kahate the ki isake bajAya to sirpha eka pudgala! koI bhAga hI nahIM, vibhAjana hI nhiiN| praznakartA : sArA eka hI pudgl| dAdAzrI : hA~, eka hI pudgl| anaMta prakAra kI avasthAe~ haiM lekina sArA pudgala eka hI hai| vinAzI svabhAva kA hai| ata: mahAvIra bhagavAna sirpha eka hI pudgala ko dekhate rahate the| anya koI jhaMjhaTa meM nahIM par3ate the| aise dakhala nahIM karate the| hama bhI koI dakhala nahIM karate haiM na? tujhe samajhanA ho to gahare utarakara samajhAte haiM lekina usase tujhe bahuta nukasAna hogaa| aba bahuta gahare mata utrnaa| aura vApasa pUchatA jA rahA hai, 'aisA pudgala!' to na jAne kahA~ guphA meM ghusa jAegA! aMta meM yahI eka dhyeya praznakartA : hama prayatna karate haiM lekina thor3I dera taka rahatA hai lekina phira haTa jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : ApakA bAhara kA abhyAsa adhika hai na! logoM ko judApana kA bilkula bhI abhyAsa nahIM hai na! koI pudgala kI aisI-vaisI cIz2a ho, usa para hama upayoga rakhakara nirIkSaNa kara rahe hoM to khayAla meM rahegA na, usa prakAra se khuda ke pudgala ko dekhanA hai| praznakartA : arthAt khuda ke eka hI pudgala se bAhara anya koI dakhalaMdAjI nahIM? dAdAzrI : aura kyA? eka pudgala ko dekha pAe to bahuta ho gyaa|

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 489 dekha hI nahIM sakate na! bAhara hI dakhalaMdAjI karate rahate haiM, aisA kahanA cAhate haiN| Apa dekhane kA abhyAsa karate ho lekina ho nahIM paataa| thor3Ithor3I dera taka rahakara vApasa cUka jAte haiM, bAkI to bAhara hI calA jAtA hai! praznakartA : vaha sTeja AegI to sahI na? dAdAzrI : prayatna vahI honA cAhie lekina ho nahIM pAtA na, rahatA nahIM hai na! jAtA hai aura AtA hai, jAtA hai aura AtA hai| use jAnanA hai| eka hI pudgala ko dekhanA hai| caMdUbhAI kA mana kyA kara rahA hai, buddhi kyA kara rahI hai, citta kyA kara rahA hai, caMdUbhAI kyA-kyA kara rahe haiM, niraMtara isI saba kA nirIkSaNa karanA hai ki yaha kyA hai? vahI kampalITa zuddhAtmA ! praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki bhagavAna mahAvIra pudgala ko dekha rahe haiM aura usa samaya gautama svAmI unase prazna pUche to usakA javAba milegA nA dAdAzrI : phira bhI ve khuda to eka hI pudgala ko dekhate rahate the| praznakartA : to vaha javAba bAhara kA bhAga detA hai na? dAdAzrI : khuda javAba nahIM dete the, usa ghar3I jo pudgala bhAga thA, vahI bhAga javAba detA thaa| praznakartA : ThIka hai lekina bAhara kA bhAga hama kise kahate haiM, eka pudgala aura usake alAvA kA bhAga? dAdAzrI : dekhanevAle aura jAnanevAle kA bAharI bhAga nahIM hotaa| yaha abhI jo tU bola rahA hai na, use jo dekhatA hai aura jAnatA hai, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : to dAdA, vaha sTeja apane Apa hI AegI? dAdAzrI: hameM to usa prayatna meM rahanA cAhie na, yaha saba karanA hai aisA saba honA cAhie na!

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490 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : eka hI bhAva meM rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : eka hI bhAva meM, jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva meM hI rahanA hai| praznakartA : abhI to vaha kaThina lagatA hai, aisA kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, abhI vaisA nahIM ho sakatA na! abhI to bAhara dekhanA par3atA hai hmeN| lekina agara vaha binA aTaicamenTa kA hogA to jJAtA-dRSTA kahalAegA aura aTaicamenTa sahita hogA to vaha indriya jJAna khlaaegaa| (aTaicamenTa arthAt vApasa ajJAnI kI taraha hI eka ho jaanaa|) praznakartA : tanmaya hone se indriya jJAna A jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| kabhI-kabhI tanmaya ho jAe taba bhI nahIM, jaba aTaicamenTa sahita ho tabhI indriya jJAna kahalAtA hai| aTaicamenTa nahIM hai phira bhI tanmaya ho jAtA hai kisI jagaha para lekina yoM tanmaya honA ThIka nahIM hai| use phira kabhI na kabhI alaga karanA pdd'egaa| lagAtAra hI honA caahie| tanmaya ho jAe to samajhanA ki apane meM graMthi hai| vaha graMthi chUTa jAnI cAhie! bAda meM pUrA vyavahAra hI binA aTaicamenTavAlA ho jAtA hai| vItarAga vyavahAra ho jAtA hai| kaI logoM kA vyavahAra vItarAgI ho gayA hai lekina ve hamAre paricaya meM rahate haiN| ye to TheTha dUra se bhAga-daur3a, bhAga-daur3a karate haiN| paricaya meM nahIM rahanA par3egA? anaMta-jJeyoM ko dekhA eka pudgala meM anaMta jJeyoM ko vItarAgoM ne eka hI jJeya meM dekhA hai, usI prakAra 'dAdA' ne eka hI jJeya, eka hI pudgala ko dekhA hai| pudgala to svAbhAvika rUpa se eka hI hai, mUla svabhAva kA pudgala, vizrasA se banA huA! jagat hai, neTa (sau pratizata) zuddha paramANuoM se banA!!! aba vItarAgoM ne jo pudgala dekhA, to unhoMne kyA dekhA? pudgala kI taraha-taraha kI varAITIz2a haiM na, una varAITIz2a ko khuda ke jJAna meM se

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[6] eka pudgala ko dekhanA 491 nikAlakara dekhA ki sirpha eka hI, yaha sArA sirpha pudgala hI haiN| yoM varAITIz2a to logoM ne, buddhizAliyoM ne banAI thiiN| ata: mahAvIra bhagavAna sirpha eka padgala ko hI dekhate rahate the| aura kucha bhI nahIM dekhate the| varAITI vagairaha nahIM dekhate the| yahA~ para to kitanI sArI varAITIz2a haiM? hara eka kI dukAna meM pudgala kI varAITIz2a haiN| lekina bhagavAna kyA dekhate the ki yaha strI-puruSa, yaha baccA, yaha aisA-vaisA, yaha sonA, yaha cA~dI-pItala, yaha aisA hai vagairaha saba nahIM dekhate the| sirpha eka hI pudgl| ataH yaha chor3anA hai aura yaha nahIM chor3anA hai aisA nahIM thaa| saba eka hI pudgala hai| eka hI pudgala kI taraha dekhate rahate the basa aura kucha nahIM dekhate the bhgvaan| bhagavAna bahuta pakke iMsAna the| unheM pahacAna nahIM sake, isIlie to hama bhaTaka mare na ! sirpha vahI eka pakke the, isalie chUTa ge| jo pakke hote haiM, ve chUTa jAte haiM na! varnA agara kaccA par3a jAe to vaha to mAra khAegA na! kIla ThokanevAlA kaccA rahA lekina kIla khAnevAle pakke the, to ve cale ge| kisa taraha se kIloM ko jhelA ki ve cale gae aura ThokanevAlA yahIM raha gayA? eka hI pudgala ko dekhA, pudgala pudgala ko mAra rahA hai| eka hI pudgala dekhA unhoNne| praznakartA : ThokanevAlA bhI pudgala aura yaha bhI pudgala? dAdAzrI : bahuta pkke| mahAvIra kA hai yaha tarIkA praznakartA : bhagavAna mahAvIra khuda ke eka pudgala ko hI dekhate rahate the| to bhagavAna mahAvIra AtmA meM ramaNatA karate the yA pudgala ko dekhate the? dAdAzrI : pudgala ko dekhanA aura jAnanA, usI ko AtmaramaNatA kahate haiN| bhagavAna mahAvIra kyA karate the, eka hI pudgala meM dRSTi sthira karake rhe| usake bAda kevalajJAna upajA thaa| praznakartA : aMta meM yahI karanA hai, aisA lakSa (jAgRti) meM rahanA caahie|

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492 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : rahatA hI hai sabhI ke lakSa meM, zabda zAyada samajha meM na AyA ho lekina yoM to usake lakSa meM rahatA hI hai| AtmaramaNatA, sva-ramaNatA sabhI kucha vahI kA vahI hai| sva-ramaNatA arthAt usa pudgala ko hI dekhatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : Apako to aisA hI rahatA hogA na, dAdA? dAdAzrI : hamArA thor3A kaccA raha jAtA hai| Apa jo yaha bAta kaha rahe ho na, vaha para-ramaNatA meM kaha rahe ho| pUre dina para-ramaNatA meM hI rahate ho aap| sva-ramaNatA meM, nizcaya se sva-ramaNatA meM, bAkI ApakA nizcaya vyavahAra meM hI baratatA hai| aisA hI hai phira bhI yaha to bahuta U~cA pada kahalAtA hai! bhagavAna mahAvIra to basa, sirpha khuda kA hI pudgala dekhate rahate the kyoMki usameM chaH jo dravya haiM, ve to unheM dikhate hI rahate the, niraMtara / eka pudagala meM hI dRSTi rakhate the| eka hI pudgala, aura kucha nhiiN| jo eka pudgala kA svabhAva hai, vahI sarva pudgala kA svabhAva hai| svabhAva sirpha eka taraha kA hai| ataH bhagavAna kA tarIkA maiMne Apako de diyA hai| usa tarIke se calo ab|

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA jJAyakabhAva : mizrabhAva dekho na, sote sote paira dabavAtA hU~ aura use bhI jAnatA huuN| kyA ho rahA hai, use bhI jAnatA huuN| praznakartA : abhI kahA na ki ye paira dabAne ko kahate haiM, use bhI jAnate haiM, ye paira daba rahe haiM use bhI jAnate haiM, phira ye vANI bola rahe haiM use bhI jAnate rahate haiM to yaha saba eTa e TAima kisa taraha ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : itanI anaMta zaktiyA~ haiN| ohoho! cAroM tarapha dekha sakatA hai ! ye A~kheM to Age hI dekha sakatI haiM, jabaki AtmA to dasoM dizAoM meM dekha sakatA hai, sabhI dizAe~, sabhI kone, sabhI DigriyoM meM kyA vaha nahIM kara sakatA? praznakartA : lekina eTa e TAima to eka hI rahatA hai na? dAdAzrI : eka hI rahatA hai lekina vaha saba kaha detA hai lekina kahane ke lie alaga-alaga zabdoM kI z2arUrata par3atI hai, isalie utanA samaya caahie| eTa e TAima sabhI zabda eka sAtha ikaTThe nahIM kahe jA skte| ataH syAdvAda kI z2arUrata par3atI hai| praznakartA : dekhanA arthAt A~khoM se dekhane kI bAta nahIM hai usmeN| vaha aMdara kA darzana hai, to hama jo jAnate haiM vaha AtmA ko hI patA calatA hai na, lekina vaha to hameM jJAna lene ke bAda patA calatA hai| aba jJAna lene se pahale bhI sabhI ko patA cala sakatA hai?

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494 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : nA, patA nahIM cala sktaa| praznakartA : jJAna se pahale bhI vaha jo kucha bhI jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA ke guNoM se jAnatA hai na, agara jAne to? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha to bhare hue pAvara se jAnatA hai| praznakartA : aba jJAna lene ke bAda jaba-jaba jJeya sAmane Ate haiM, taba hara eka cIz2a ko jAnane meM hameM usakA anubhava hotA hai| AtmA kA vaha anubhava honA caahie| aisA hI huA na, jo ho rahA hai vaha? dAdAzrI : nahIM, dekhanA aura jAnanA hotA rahatA hai| praznakartA : hA~, arthAt use hamArA AtmA hI dekha rahA hai, aisA samajhanA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAtA-dRSTA aura jnyaayk| jJAyaka bhAva arthAt AtmA ko kucha bolane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM rhtii| pahale jJAyaka bhAva thA hI nahIM na! mizrabhAva thaa| usameM kartApanA aura jAnapanA 'maiM karatA hU~ aura maiM jAnatA hU~', usakA miksacara thaa| praznakartA : aba pyora jAnapanA ho gayA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, pyora jaanpnaa| praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo bAra-bAra jAnapane kA anubhava AtA hai vaha AtmA kA hI anubhava AyA na? dAdAzrI : sabakucha AtmA kA hI hai lekina usameM jo bAhara kA jJAna dikhAtA hai, vaha pAvara cetana (mizracetana) dikhAtA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, to phira mUla AtmA kI jo dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA hai aura mizracetana kI jo dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA hai, inameM kyA pharka dAdAzrI : mizracetana vinAzI ko dekha sakatA hai| sirpha vinAzI ko

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 495 hI dekha sakatA hai aura mUla cetana jo hai vaha vinAzI aura avinAzI donoM ko dekha sakatA hai, donoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| hameM aisA nahIM dikhAI detA ki yaha sUrya-caMdra gira par3e haiN| sUrya nIce girA huA nahIM dikhAI detA, hameM vahIM kA vahIM dikhAI detA hai lekina vaha vinAzI jJAna ke AdhAra para hai| vaha jJAna pUrA hI vinAzI hai| vaha avinAzI jJAna nahIM hai! avinAzI jJAna meM koI parivartana nahIM hotA! praznakartA : zarIra A~khoM se dekhatA hai, AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva meM hai, vaha bhI dekhatA hai, to donoM kI dekhane kI dRSTi meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA jise dekhatA hai, vaha riyala dRzya hai aura ye A~kheM jo dekhatI haiM, vaha rileTiva dRzya hai| yaha rileTiva dRzya, vaha riyala dRshy| praznakartA : inameM pharka kyA hai? dikhAva meM kyA pharka hai? dekhane meM pharka kyA hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| yaha vinAzI dRzya hai| riyala (tatva) vastu riyala ko hI dekhatI hai| yaha rileTiva to (avasthAe~), vinAzI ko dekhatI hai| yaha sArA jo indriya jJAna hai, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hI nahIM hai na! vaha to bhrAMti kI bhrAMti kahalAtI hai! 'maiM jAnatA hU~' aura 'maiM karatA hU~' donoM sAtha meN| hameM jJAtA aura dRSTA donoM ko DhUMDha nikAlanA caahie| jo jJAtA-dRSTA hai, vaha avinAzI hai| dRzya aura jJeya donoM hI vinAzI haiN| sirpha dRzya hI nahIM, jJeya bhii| praznakartA : ina sabhI ko jAnanevAlA AtmA hai, to use jAnanevAlA kauna hai? dAdAzrI : usa jAnanevAle ko jAnanevAlA koI nahIM hai| praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai, ho hI nahIM sktaa| dAdAzrI : jAnanevAle ko jAnanevAlA hotA hai| praznakartA : kyoMki vaha svayaM hai na! vaha niraMtara hai, paramAnenTa hai|

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496 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : kyoMki vaha khuda jJAtA-dRSTA hai aura isa jagat meM bAkI kA sabhI kucha jJeya aura dRzya hai| praznakartA : sirpha khuda hI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| dAdAzrI : sirpha vaha khuda hI jJAtA-dRSTA hai, to aura kucha DhU~Dhane kA rahA hI kahA~? aura dUsarA prazna ThIka thA, to use jAnanevAlA kauna hai? to vaha khuda, khuda ko hI jAnatA hai aura donoM ko jAnatA hai| praznakartA : sva-para prakAzaka hai| dAdAzrI : vaha prazna vahA~ para khatma ho jAtA hai| enDa AyA yA nahIM AyA phira? jJAtA-dRSTA, buddhi se yA AtmA se praznakartA : maiM jJAtA-dRSTA banakara dekhane kA prayatna karatA hU~, aisA lagatA hai ki usa samaya bhI buddhi hI dekha rahI hotI hai| dAdAzrI : yaha sahI kaha rahe ho| buddhi hI dekhatI hai| jJAtA-dRSTA to, jahA~ buddhi bhI nahIM pahu~ca sakatI, vahA~ jJAtA-dRSTA kI zuruAta hotI hai| ____ 'usa jJAtA-dRSTA ko dekhane kA prayatna karatA hU~,' 'prayatna karatA hU~' kahate haiM isalie buddhi hI hai| aba jisa samaya buddhi kA calaNa (varcasva, sattA, khuda ke anusAra saba ko calAnA) rahatA hai, usa samaya buddhi dekha rahI hotI hai 'aisA lagatA hai' lekina jo aisA kahatA hai, vaha jJAna hai| use 'Apane' yaha 'dekhaa'| 'dekhA' arthAt jJAtA kI taraha se dekhA aisA nahIM kahA jAegA lekina dRSTA kI taraha se 'dekhaa|' kyoMki jJAtA-dRSTA kI taraha dekhanA kaba kahA jAegA? 'aisA laga rahA hai' taba dRSTA kI taraha se dekhA aura 'jAnane meM AtA hai taba jJAtA kI taraha jaanaa| dekhanevAle to 'Apa' hI ho yA aura koI sAhaba Ae the? __ praznakartA : lekina jo kahatA hai ki 'aisA laga rahA hai' vaha buddhi hI hai, aisA lagatA hai|

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 497 dAdAzrI : vaha buddhi nahIM hai, buddhi dekhane meM par3I hotI hai, yAnI ki buddhi usa tarapha se dekhatI hai aura vaha jo dekha rahI hai, use 'hama' jAnate haiM ki 'yaha buddhi hI dekha rahI hai, maiM nahIM dekha rahA huuN|' ataH jo buddhi ko dekhatA hai, vaha 'hama' hai| ataH vahA~ para hama khuda dRSTA kI taraha kAma karate haiN| ataH dekhanevAlA kauna hai, vaha hamane DhUMDha nikaalaa| arthAt yaha dRSTA kAma to kara rahA hai| praznakartA : lekina buddhi se pare nahIM jA paate| to yaha buddhi meM rahakara hI dekhA jA rahA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, buddhi se pare to jA pAe ho, lekina buddhi ko abhI bhI poSaNa mila rahA hai| buddhi ko kucha kAraNoM kI vajaha se poSaNa milatA hai, ve dhIre-dhIre kama ho jAte haiN| bAkI, buddhi se pare to gae hI haiM varnA buddhi inheM yahA~ para roz2a Ane hI nahIM detii| praznakartA : jaba buddhi z2arA dakhala karatI hai, taba kahate haiM ki 'eka tarapha baitth| maiM to dAdA ke pAsa jaauuNgaa|' cupa rh| dAdAzrI : hA~, to kahanA cAhie ki cupa raha! praznakartA : dAdA ke pAsa Ane meM buddhi dakhala nahIM krtii| yaha to AtA hai, bilkula prema se| dAdAzrI : prema se isakA kA matalaba hI yaha hai ki jo buddhi se Age pahu~cA hai, vaha yaha jJAna hai| yaha prajJA kA kAma hai| buddhi yaha dekhatI hai lekina Apako agara mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'maiM dekha rahA hU~,' vaha bhrAMti hai| ina sabhI jJeya cIz2oM ke jJAtA-dRSTA 'maiM' nahIM lagatA, lekina yaha buddhi lagatI hai| lekina isa buddhi kA jJAtA-dRSTA kauna hai? aatmaa| loga to ise kyA kahate haiM? maiM hI jAnatA hU~, maiM hI dekha rahA hU~' aisA lagatA hai lekina Apa kyA kahate ho? 'yaha buddhi dekha rahI hai' aisA lagatA hai| nahIM to loga to aisA hI kahate haiM ki 'mujhe yaha dikha rahA hai' aura vaha 'maiM dekha rahA hU~' vahI bhrAMti hai|

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498 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) yadi jAnapane' meM A jAe to riyala (asalI) jJAtA khlaaegaa| vaha yaha jJAtA-dRSTA hai! aura Apako bAra-bAra anubhava meM AtA hI hai lekina aisA mela biThAnA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : usa DimArkezana kA khayAla kisa taraha se AtA hai ki yaha buddhi kA dekhanA-jAnanA hai aura yaha 'khuda kA' dekhanA-jAnanA hai? dAdAzrI : buddhi kA to, ye jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai vahI dekhanAjAnanA hai aura jo kAna se sunAI detA hai vaha, jIbha se cakhate haiM vaha, vaha sArI buddhi hai| praznakartA : matalaba yaha indriya kA huA, lekina bAkI kA saba aMdara jo cala rahA hotA hai aura buddhi se dekhanA ki ye pakSapAtI haiM, aise haiM, vaise haiM, vaha saba bhI buddhi hI dekhatI hai na? dAdAzrI : ina saba ko dekhanA, vaha buddhi kA hI hai| aura AtmA kA jJAna-darzana to dekhanA aura jAnanA hai, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| dravyoM ko dekhejAne, dravyoM ke paryAya ko jAne, unake guNoM ko jAne to vaha saba dekhanAjAnanA, vaha AtmA hai| yA phira agara mana ke sabhI paryAyoM ko jaane| buddhi to mana ke paryAyoM ko kucha hada taka hI jAna sakatI hai, jabaki AtmA mana ke sabhI paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai| buddhi ko, paristhitiyoM ko jAnatA hai| ahaMkAra ke paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai, sabhI kucha jAnatA hai| jahA~ para buddhi nahIM pahu~ca sakatI, vahA~ se usakI (AtmA ke dekhane kI) zuruAta hotI hai| praznakartA : yaha buddhi kahA~ taka kA dekha sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : kucha hada taka kaa| sAMsArika jJAna calatA hai, saMsArika kaam-kaaj| praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo AtmA kA dekhanA-jAnanA kahA gayA hai, to vaha dravyoM ko jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : vaha dravyoM ko, dravyoM ke guNadharma aura dravyoM ke paryAyoM

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 499 ko arthAt unheM kisa taraha se, usameM kyA-kyA dekha sakatA hai? usakA ekjekTa udAharaNa dIjie n| dAdAzrI : ye kisake guNadharma haiM, aisA saba jAnatA hai| pudgala ke guNadharma haiM yA cetana ke guNadharma haiN| phira anya sabhI guNadharmoM ko bhI jAnatA hai| AkAza ke guNadharma kyA haiM, unheM jAnatA hai| isake alAvA kAla ke kyA guNadharma haiM, unheM jAnatA hai| praznakartA : ve guNadharma batAIe na! kAla ke guNadharma kyA hai? AkAza ke guNadharma kyA hai? dAdAzrI : ina sabhI guNoM ko jAnanA, kAla ke, AkAza ke, sabhI ke guNa, guNadharmoM ko jAnanA vaha to paiMtAlIsa AgamoM ko jAnane kA phala hai| praznakartA : AtmA kI jJAnakriyA aura darzanakriyA meM yadi aisA jAnanA aura dekhanA hai to phira abhI to hama sabhI meM to aisA nahIM hai na, dravya ko dekhanA aura jAnanA? dAdAzrI : usake lie aisI koI jaldabAjI karane kA matalaba nahIM hai na! aisA nahIM jAnane-dekhane kI vajaha se thor3e hI khaTamala mArane kI davAI pI jAe~? praznakartA : to taba taka kyA rahatA hai? to phira aisA huA ki jJAnadarzana kA dekhanApanA nahIM rahA? dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM, taba jAnanA ki apane jJAna kI prApti huI hai, acchA hai| rAga-dveSa hoM to saMsAra baMdhana hotA hai, aisA taya ho gyaa| rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM isakA matalaba apanI gAr3I cala rahI hai, rAjadhAnI ekspres| tujhe dekhane kI z2arUrata bhI nahIM hai ki cala rahI hai yA nahIM! jaba gAr3I calatI hai, taba to do taraha ke pariNAma dikhAI dete haiN| kitane hI per3a yoM jAte hue dikhAI dete haiN| apanI gAr3I aise jA rahI ho taba kitane hI per3a aise jAte hue dikhAI dete haiN| kitane hI per3a aise lagate

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500 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) haiM jaise hamAre sAtha cala rahe hoM, aisA dikhatA hai| isake pIche koI kAraNa hai na? praznakartA : jo naz2adIka hote haiM, ve yoM jAte hue dikhAI dete haiM aura dUravAle sAtha-sAtha hoM, aisA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina aisA kyoM? bole, buddhi samajha jAtI hai ki ye naz2adIka haiM, ve dUra ke haiN| pudgala ko dekhanevAlI, prajJA praznakartA : isa pudgala kI sabhI cIjoM ko jo dekhatA hai, vaha dekhane kI jo kriyA hai, vaha buddhi kriyA hai yA jJAnakriyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha dekhane meM jAe to prajJA ke vibhAga meM hI AtA hai na! ahaMkAra aura buddhi kI kriyA se thor3A samajha meM AtA hai, bAkI prajJA ke binA samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| hameM abhI eprenTisa kI taraha rahanA hai| probezanarI nahIM kaha skte| praznakartA : ataH jJAna lene ke bAda jina mahAtmAoM ko aisA rahA karatA hai ki vaha khuda zarIra se alaga hai, zuddhAtmA kA lakSa baiTha gayA hai aura phira dekhane kI sabhI kriyAe~ calatI rahatI haiM to ve sabhI prajJA se hotI haiM na? dAdAzrI : sabhI kucha prajJAzakti se hI hotA hai| prajJA kucha hada taka, jaba taka phAiloM kA nikAla karatA hai, taba taka prajJA hai| phAila khatma ho gaI to phira khuda hI, AtmA hI jAnatA hai| praznakartA : to kyA isakA artha aisA huA ki jJAnakriyA se dekhanA to bahuta dUra rahA? dAdAzrI : vahI ! prajJAzakti kI hI jJAnakriyA hai| abhI vaha jJAnakriyA to utpanna ho gaI hai| phira jaba ina sabhI phAiloM kA nikAla ho jAegA taba, vijJAna kriyaa|

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 501 jo dikhAe, vaha prajJA hai prajJA hI dekhatI hai aMta tk| prajJA hI hameM sabakucha dikhAtI hai| praznakartA : maiM jaba dasa sAla kA thA taba maiMne kyA-kyA kiyA thA, vaha saba dikhAtI hai| bAraha sAla kA thA taba ke bhI sabhI phoTo dikhAtI hai, philma kI taraha dikhAtI hai| to jo yaha philma dikhAtI hai, vaha prajJA dikhAtI hai? dAdAzrI : prajJA arthAt aisA kaha sakate haiM ki AtmA hI dikhAtA hai lekina aMta meM phira prajJA baMda ho jAtI hai| jaba taka prajJA hai taba taka zuddhAtmA hai, aura AtmA, vaha to paramAtmA hai| haiM eka hI, lekina isake (prajJA) Ane ke bAda 'vaha' (AtmA) ho jAtA hai! praznakartA : kala ve ro rahe the to unheM dikha rahA thA ki ye caMdUbhAI ro rahe haiM lekina phira aMdara se, 'dAdA bhagavAna nA asIma jaya-jayakAra ho' cala rahA thA taba caMdUbhAI ko jo dekha rahA thA, vaha kauna hai aura jo 'asIma jaya-jayakAra' bola rahA thA, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to aMdara rikaoNrDa calatI hI rahatI hai| praznakartA : arthAt aMdaravAlI 'orijinala' TeparikaoNrDara calatI hI rahatI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to kisI-kisI TAima para calatI hI rahatI hai, ataH jo vaha bolatA hai, vaha bolanevAlA alaga aura ina caMdUbhAI ko dekhanevAlA alaga! praznakartA : jo caMdUbhAI ko dekhanevAlA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA hai? dAdAzrI : caMdUbhAI jo yaha kara rahe haiM na, unheM dekhanevAlI buddhi hai| praznakartA : to phira jJAtA-dRSTA kaise hue, yadi buddhi hI dekha rahI ho to? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA to jo ina sabhI ko dekhanevAle haiM, ve haiN| jo

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502 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) ina sabhI ko eTa e TAima jAneM, vahI jJAtA-dRSTA haiN| aMdara jaisA laga rahA hai use, jo bolA jA rahA hai use, ina sabhI ko eTa e TAima jAnate haiN| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA yaha dekhatA hai ki buddhi kyA kara rahI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha buddhi ko dekhatA hai, mana kyA kara rahA hai use dekhatA hai, vANI kyA hai use aura phira aMhakAra kyA kara rahA hai, ina sabhI ko dekhatA hai| praznakartA : unheM jJAtA-dRSTA dekhatA hai na? vaha jo dekhatA hai, vaha jJAtA-dRSTA hai yA kucha aura? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI AtmA hai| praznakartA : aura jo caMdUbhAI ko dekhatI hai, vaha buddhi hai? dAdAzrI : use buddhi dekhatI hai aura buddhi ko jo dekhatA hai vaha AtmA hai| buddhi kyA kara rahI hai, mana kyA kara rahA hai, ahaMkAra kyA kara rahA hai, ina sabhI ko jo jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| AtmA se Age paramAtmA pada bAkI rhaa| jo zuddhAtmA ho gayA, vaha paramAtmA kI tarapha gayA aura paramAtmA huA, use kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai| kevalajJAna ho gayA to ho gayA prmaatmaa| pUrNa huA, nirvANapada ke lAyaka ho gyaa| ataH dekhane-jAnane kA upayoga rakhanA cAhie, pUre din| praznakartA : dAdA, yAnI zuddhAtmA ke bAda meM Age paramAtmA pada hai? dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA hI paramAtmA hai lekina abhI taka isameM kevalajJAna nahIM huA hai| to usa zuddhAtmA ko kevalajJAna huA isakA matalaba bana gayA paramAtmA! dekhanevAle ko bhI dekhanevAlA praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM na ki jaba hama jJAna dete haiM to AtmA aura deha ko judA kara dete haiM, to ina donoM ko judA rakhakara dekhanevAlA vaha kauna hai?

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 503 dAdAzrI : do cIjeM haiM jo dekhatI haiN| eka to prajJA hai aura prajJA kA kAma jaba pUrNa ho jAne ke bAda AtmA hai| AtmA jJAyaka ke rUpa meM rahatA hai| prajJA se lekara AtmA taka ke dekhanevAle haiN| prajJA kA kAma pUrA ho jAe to phira AtmA khuda, jJAyaka bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : AtmA kA jo svarUpa hai, darpaNa kI taraha hai| darpaNa kahIM bAhara nahIM jAtA dekhane ke lie| darpaNa ke aMdara sabhI dRzya dikhAI dete haiN| usI prakAra AtmA ke svarUpa meM to sabhI cIjeM dikhAI detI haiM na! aisA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha jo dikhAI detA hai, vaha alaga hai lekina yaha to jJAyaka hai! arthAt abhI jJAtA kauna hai? vaha prajJAzakti hai| hA~, kyoMki kAryakArI hai| mUla AtmA kAryakArI nahIM hotaa| jaba taka yaha saMsAra hai, taba taka ke lie kAryakArI zakti khaDI ho gayI hai, prjnyaa| vaha prajJA sabhI kArya pUre karake, sameTakara phira mokSa meM calI jAtI hai| praznakartA : arthAt mokSa ke daravAje taka madada karane ke lie yaha prajJA hai| dAdAzrI : daravAz2e taka nahIM, TheTha mokSa meM biThA detI hai| hA~, pUrNAhuti karavAnevAlI yaha prajJA hai| z2abaradasta zaktiyA~ haiN| cAhe kaise bhI kaSTa Ae~, lekina phira bhI kaSTa ghabarA jAe~, itanI zaktiyA~ haiN| itanI bar3hI huI zaktiyoM ko dekhate hI kaSTa ghabarA jAtA hai| praznakartA : jitanA dekha pAte haiM, utanA sparza nahIM karatA aura agara usameM ekAkAra ho jAe~, to phira mahasUsa hotA hai| dAdAzrI : jitanA dekha sako utanA dekhanA aura bAkI kA jo nahIM dekha pAte, usake lie pratikramaNa krnaa| praznakartA : abhI hama baiTheM aura pUre dina kA dekhane baiTheM, taba sabakucha dikhatA hai aura usa ghar3I aisA bhI dikhatA hai ki hama Age kA dekhane baiThe

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504 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~! phira? praznakartA : to yaha kyA hai? jo dekhatA hai, use bhI phira dekhatA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha hai saba se aMtima dekhanevAlA, vahI hama khuda haiN| usa dekhanevAle se Age koI dekhanevAlA aura koI nahIM rhtaa| aura yaha jo dekhanevAlA hai, usake pIche saba se aMtima dekhanevAlA hotA hai| praznakartA : arthAt dekhanevAle se Age bhI dekhanevAlA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo dekhanevAle haiM, usase Age bhI dekhanevAlA hogA hI na! praznakartA : usase Age bhI dekhanevAlA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : phira usase Age dekhanevAlA nahIM hai| dekhanevAle se Age dekhanevAle koI nahIM haiN| vAstava meM jo dekhanevAlA hai, vahI AtmA hai| praznakartA : to pUre dina kI dekhane kI jo prakriyA thI to use dekhanevAlA jo hai, use bhI dekhanevAlA aura koI hotA hai? aisA? to prathama dekhanevAlA kauna hai? dAdAzrI : use upAdAna kaho, buddhi kaho yA ahaMkAra kaho, aura phira use bhI dekhnevaalaa| praznakartA : vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA hai, dekhanevAle ko jAnatA hai| praznakartA : to isameM prajJA kahA~ se AI? dAdAzrI : vahI prajJA hai na! mUla AtmA to mUla AtmA hI hai| praznakartA : arthAt pUre dina kA jo dekhatA hai vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai? athavA upAdAna kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : buddhi, ahaMkAra, ajnyaashkti|

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 505 praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdA, abhI maiM subaha kA dekhane bailUM, to abhI kA dekhanA raha jAtA hai, maiM pahale kA dekhatA hU~ abhii| dAdAzrI : lekina dekhatA to hai na! vahI tU AtmA hai, phira vahA~ aura kise dekhanA bAkI raha jAtA hai? praznakartA : dAdA, isI ko lekara kyA Apane kahA hai ki AtmA sva-para prakAzaka hai? sva-para prakAzaka hai, vaha khuda ko bhI prakAzamAna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : aura nahIM to kyA? jo dekhanevAlA hai, usake Upara bhI dekhanevAlA hotA hai| usa dekhanevAle se Upara bhI dekhanevAlA AtmA, jJAtA kahalAtA hai aura jAnane kI sabhI cIjeM jJeya kahalAtI haiM aura jaba dekhanevAlA dRSTA ho tabhI ye dRzya haiN| praznakartA : dekhanevAle se Upara bhI dekhanevAlA hai, to phira mUla AtmA kA phaMkzana kisa taraha hotA hai isameM? dAdAzrI : ye loga dekhate hI haiM na sbhii| pUrI duniyA dekhatI hai aura jAnatI hai na! inase kaheM ki Apa dekhate-jAnate nahIM ho, to phira pUchege 'abhI kyA kara rahe haiM hama?' pUrA phorTa eriyA dekhA, phalAnA dekhA, phalAnA dekhA lekina usa dekhanevAle ko bhI jAnanA hai| vApasa isa dekhanevAle ko bhI jAnanevAlA hai! praznakartA : isa dekhanevAle ko bhI jAnanA hai? dAdAzrI : isa dekhanevAle ko jo dekhatA hai aura jAnanevAle ko jo jAnatA hai, aisA hai mUla aatmaa| praznakartA : ise hamane prajJA kahA abhii| dAdAzrI : hA~, prjnyaa| praznakartA : to phira isase Age mUla AtmA kA phaMkzana kyA rahA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| usase Age kucha bhI nahIM hai| basa, vahA~ para endd|

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506 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) kisI kA kisI se lenA-denA nahIM hai, koI kisI ko helpa nahIM krtaa| kisI ko kucha bhI chor3anA nahIM hai, aise haiM ye tatva! TaMkotkIrNa svbhaavvaale| kabhI bhI ekAkAra nahIM hue haiM, alaga ke alaga hI rahe haiN| jaise tela aura pAnI donoM ikaTThe ho gae hoM lekina usameM donoM alaga ke alaga hI rahate haiN| bIcavAlA upayoga kisakA? praznakartA : eka bAra Apane satsaMga meM kahA thA ki eka sTeja aisI hotI hai ki caMdUbhAI karate haiM aura usI meM tanmayAkAra rahatA hai, dUsarI sTeja aisI hotI hai ki caMdUbhAI judA aura khuda judA arthAt yaha kartA judA aura khuda judA aura tIsarI TaoNpa (uccatama) sTeja aisI hai ki caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM use bhI dekhatA hai, AtmA caMdUbhAI ko dekhatA hai| vaha samajhAie j'raa| dAdAzrI : kyA samajhanA hai usameM? praznakartA : vaha sTeja kauna sI kahalAtI hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ye jo dekhane ke kAryoM meM par3e haiM, to kArya ko dekhanA vaha sahaja honA caahie| 'dekhane' kI kriyA use karanI par3atI hai, jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA par3atA hai, use bhI jAnanevAlA hai uupr| jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA par3atA hai| vaha menejara hai| phira usakA bhI UparI hai| aMtima UparI ko dekhanA nahIM par3atA, sahaja rUpa se dikhatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : ataH jise jJAtA-dRSTA ko dekhanA par3atA hai, vaha kauna hai aura use bhI jo dekhatA hai, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : jo mUla hai, vaha use bhI dekhatA hai| vaha mUla hai| yaha jo dekhanA par3atA hai vaha bIcavAlA bhAga hai, upayoga, aura use bhI jAnanevAlA TheTha aMtima dazA meM haiN| isa AIne meM, hama aise baiThe hoM aura AInA usa tarapha rakhA ho to hama saba usameM dikhAI dete haiM na turaMta? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : kyA use dekhanA par3atA hai?

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 507 507 praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : vaise hI AtmA meM jhalakatA hai, saMpUrNa jagat aMdara jhalakatA praznakartA : vaha 'bIcavAlA' kauna hai dAdA? dAdAzrI : upyog| praznakartA : vaha upayoga lekina kisakA upayoga? dAdAzrI : vaha usa 'prajJA' kaa| prajJA ke upayoga meM A gayA to phira bahuta huaa| usase Age hameM kisI aura kI bahuta z2arUrata nahIM hai,apanA kaoNleja vahIM taka hai| pUrNatA prApta karane ke lie pAlana karanI hai pA~ca AjJA praznakartA : hama jo kucha bhI dekhate haiM aura jAnate haiM, vaha eka bAta hai aura dUsarI tarapha hameM jJAtA-dRSTA bananA hai, vaha dUsarI bAta hai| yaha dekhanejAnanevAlA aura vaha dekhane-jAnanevAlA donoM alaga cIjeM haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| praznakartA : to isa dekhane-jAnanevAle meM se usa dekhane-jAnanevAle meM kisa taraha TrAnsaphara hotA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha dekhane-jAnanevAlA jo hai na, usakI sabhI kriyAoM ko vaha jAnatA hai, vaha yaha jJAtA-dRSTA hai| praznakartA : ataH saMkSepa meM abhI yaha jo ahaMkAra hai vaha dekhanejAnanevAlA hai aura ahaMkAra kI kriyAoM ko jAne..... dAdAzrI : maiM kyA kara rahA hU~, mana kyA kara rahA hai, buddhi kyA kara rahI hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai, vaha bAta sahI hai ApakI lekina abhI bhI hameM usakA anubhava to hotA hai ki aisA ho rahA hai| jise Apane jJeya- banAyA

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508 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) hai| aba ye mana-vacana-kAyA aura ahaMkAra, lekina vAstava meM to hama aisA kahate haiM na ki abhI bhI mUla AtmA dekhatA-jAnatA nahIM hai| AtmA to bahuta dUra hai usse| dAdAzrI : yaha usakA viSaya nahIM hai| yaha to, jo isa indriya dRSTi se dikhAI detA hai, vaha viSaya unakA nahIM hai| praznakartA : dekhane-jAnane kI zakti mUla AtmA kI hI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~ lekina abhI bIca meM prajJA kA mIDiyama hai| praznakartA : abhI mIDiyama chU jAnatA hai lekina jAnatA vahI hai? dAdAzrI : aura kauna jAnegA phira? lekina abhI prajJA ke mIDiyama ke zrU jAnatA hai vh| praznakartA : to use khabara pahu~catI hI nahIM? dAdAzrI : mUla AtmA ko isase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai! vaha to vItarAga hai| aura yaha kyA ho rahA hai vaha saba, yaha jo mIDiyama khar3A huA hai, prajJAzakti, vaha jAnatI hai| praznakartA : to vaha jo jJAtA hai, usa para isa jJeya kA koI bhI asara nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : ho hI nahIM sktaa| use koI saMga sparza nahIM kara sktaa| use koI bhI cIz2a sparza nahIM kara sktii| bhAvoM se nirlepa haiM, saMga se asaMga! praznakartA : usakA khuda kA svadharma sirpha dekhane aura jAnane kA hI hai? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva hI hai| yahA~ para lAiTa huI ho na, vahI basa, dekhatI hai| usa lAiTa meM yadi jIvana hotA to dekhatI rhtii| praznakartA : AtmA kA upayoga hotA hogA?

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA 509 dAdAzrI : nahIM hotaa| aisA kahIM hotA hogA? koI vicAra Ae unheM Apa jAna jAte ho, aMdara gussA Ae, use Apa jAna jAte ho na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : hN| aise phira mUla TheTha taka nahIM phuNctaa| vaha prajJA ko pahu~catA hai kyoMki yaha aMtarima (madhyavartI) jJAna hai, jabaki AtmA to sirpha jJAtA-dRSTA hai! praznakartA : hA~, aMta taka nahIM pahu~catA, vahIM para sArI bAta hai na? merA vahI poinTa hai ki vaha aMta taka pahu~cegA kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : prajJA meM Ane ke bAda hI mUla taka pahu~catA hai| praznakartA : usakA sAdhana kyA hai? dAdAzrI : pA~ca AjJA hI saba se bar3A sAdhana hai| pahale indriya jJAna se dikhAI detA hai, phira buddhi jJAna se dikhAI detA hai aura bAda meM phira vaha prajJA se dikhAI detA hai aura phira AtmA se| jJAtA kA jJeya ke sAtha kA saMbaMdha kaisA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna phira jJeya ko dekhatA hai, isalie jJAnAkAra ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina yaha jo jJAtA hai, mUla AtmA, vaha to kabhI jJeyAkAra hotA hI nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : use kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai| aMta taka yaha prajJA hai aura jaba kevalajJAna hotA hai to phira eka! prajJA bhI calI jAtI hai| praznakartA : ataH AtmA to, jaba kevalajJAna hotA hai tabhI kAma meM AtA hai, taba taka nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! taba taka mUla jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM bana sktaa| hameM

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510 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) z2arUrata bhI nahIM hai| vaha kevalajJAna to apane Apa hI AtA hai| use mA~gane nahIM jAnA pdd'taa| jaise bar3audA kI gAr3I meM TikaTa-vikaTa lekara baiThane ke bAda bar3audA sTezana apane Apa hI A jAtA hai, usa taraha se| Apako to sirpha gAr3I meM baiThane kI z2arUrata hai| baiTha gae aura ye AjJA pAlana karanA hai ki bhAI, 'kisI sTezana para utara mata jaanaa| kisI jagaha para cAya-pAnI acche mila rahe haiM, isalie vahA~ para kahIM utara mata pdd'naa|' Apako ye bhAI kaheM to bhI kahanA, 'yahA~ nahIM utaranA hai, calo, vApasa baiTha jAo!' ye to kaheMge ki, 'Ao, vaha kainTIna acchI hai|' taba bhI hameM 'manA' kara denA hai| praznakartA : pUrI taraha se pA~ca AjJA pAlana karane ke bAvajUda bhI agara kainTIna meM jAe to? dAdAzrI : to harja nahIM hai| jo pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana kara rahA ho to vaha cAhe kahIM bhI jAe, use baMdhana nahIM hai| lekina jo pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana kara rahA ho, vaha kisI bhI sTezana para utaregA hI nahIM na! ___AtmA arthAt kevalajJAna prakAza praznakartA : AtmA arthAt jnyaan| jJAna arthAt prakAza, prakAza ke alAvA aura kucha hai hI nhiiN| prakAza hI, prakAza hI, prakAza hI! aura mAtra prakAza arthAt kisI bhI taraha kA saMyoga nhiiN| kucha nahIM, sirpha prakAza hI! to phira jJAyaka bhAva hI rahA? / dAdAzrI : jJAyaka bhaav| jAnane-dekhane ke bhAva meM hI rahA, vahI AnaMda! khuda ko aura koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jAnane-dekhane ke bhAva meM to kucha karanA nahIM hotA, aMdara jhalakatA hai, khuda ke aMdara hii| kisI bhI prakAra kI kriyA nahIM, akriy| kriyA karane se thakAna hotI hai, so jAnA par3atA hai, nIMda A jAtI hai| praznakartA : pahale ajJAna dazA meM to hamArI jo dRSTi hai, vaha aisI cIz2oM para arthAt pudgala para rahatI thI, jisameM dekhane aura jAnane kA guNa thA hI nahIM lekina aba Apane jJAna diyA hai, taba se hama dRSTi usameM lagAte

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[7] dekhanevAlA-jAnanevAlA aura use bhI jAnanevAlA ___511 haiM, jisameM dekhane aura jAnane kI zakti hai| isalie hamArI dRSTi sthira ho gaI hai| dAdAzrI : isIlie sthira ho gaI hai aura isa asthira meM bhI dekhanejAnane kI kriyA hai lekina saMyogoM ko dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA hai| dekhane asaMyogika hai aura yaha saMyogI kriyA hai| yahA~ para jo dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA kahate haiM na, yaha per3a AyA, patte Ae, gAya AI, bhaiMsa AI, aisA saba kahate hI haiM na aura loga use AtmA mAnate haiM ! isa dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA meM cetana bilkula bhI hai hI nhiiN| to agara koI pUche ki kisase cala rahA hai yaha? cetana ke binA kaise cala rahA hai? to vaha yaha hai, 'AtmA kI upasthiti meM pAvara cetana utpanna ho jAtA hai| ko dekhane kI aura jAnane kI kriyA pAvara cetana kI hai| aba yaha dekhanejAnane kI kriyA aura AtmA ke prakAza meM ye jo sabhI jJeya jhalakate haiM to ve eka hI haiM yA alaga-alaga? dAdAzrI : ve AtmA ke prakAza meM aMdara jhalakate haiM, yAnI ki vahA~ para zabda hote hI nahIM haiN| jahA~ para dekhanA aura jAnanA hai... prakAza meM utarane taka zabda haiM, usake bAda zabda cale jAte haiM apane ghara! praznakartA : AtmA ko kevalajJAna svarUpa kahA hai to jaba aisA kahate haiM ki 'kevalajJAna hotA hai' to vaha kise hotA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko hI hotA hai| praznakartA : lekina khuda kevalajJAna svarUpa hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hai hI kevalajJAna lekina bAdala haTane cAhie na! vaisevaise hotA jaaegaa| yaha sUryanArAyaNa pUrI taraha se dikhane lage to kise dikhane lage?

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512 AptavANI-13 (pUrvArdha) praznakartA : dekhanevAle ko| sUryanArAyaNa aura bAdala arthAt jisa para bAdala kA AvaraNa hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina dekhanevAle ko na! lekina yaha dekhanevAlA aura jAnanevAlA donoM eka hI cIz2a haiM ! praznakartA : ataH dekhane kI cIz2a aura dekhanevAlA, donoM eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| AtmA sva ko bhI jAnatA hai aura para ko bhI jAnatA hai| khuda ke sva ko jAnatA hai ki jAnakAra kauna hai? sva kauna hai? praznakartA : jAnI huI cIz2a, vaha khuda hI hai| khuda, khuda ko hI jAnatA hai| AtmA sva ko bhI jAnatA hai aura para ko bhI jAnatA hai| bAdala haTa gae, isalie khuda-khuda ko pUrI taraha se dikhAI detA hai| use kevalajJAna kahate haiN| jaya saccidAnaMda

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nirjarA mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda pudgala : jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai upAdhi : bAhara se AnevAlA duHkha pUraNa-galana : cArja honA, bharanA-DiscArja honA, khAlI honA : Atma pradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA nikAla : nipaTArA Ar3AI :: ahaMkAra kA Ter3hApana cIkaNI : gAr3ha saMvara : karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA : nayA karma bIja nahIM DaleM, binA karmaphala pUrA ho jAnA DakhoDakhala : dakhalaMdAjI potApaNAM : maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana zAtA : sukha-pariNAma azAtA :: duHkha-pariNAma tarachor3a : tiraskAra sahita dutakAranA abhiniveSa : apane mata ko sahI mAnakara pakar3e rakhanA vAMdhA aura vacakA : Apatti uThAte haiM aura burA laga jAtA hai silaka : jamApU~jI bhogavaTe : sukha yA duHkha kA asara, bhugatanA citArA : citrita kiyA huA aNahakka : binA haqa kA, avaidha

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Azrava : karma ke udaya kI zuruAta parizrava : naye baMdha par3e bagaira karma kI nirjarA honA taraMge : zekhacillI jaisI kalpanAe~ UparI : baoNsa, variSTha mAlika : jaina zAstra zabda calaNa :: varcasva, sattA, khuda ke anusAra saba ko calAnA ardhapudgala parAvartana kAla : brahmAMDa ke sAre pudgaloM ko sparza karake, bhogakara khatma karane meM jo samaya (kAla) vyatIta hotA hai, usase AdhA kAla vigaI

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( dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM 1. jJAnI puruSa kI pahacAna 24. mAnava dharma 2. sarva duHkhoM se mukti 25. sevA-paropakAra 3. karma kA siddhAMta 26. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta 4. Atmabodha 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 5. maiM kauna hU~? 28. pati-patnI kA divya vyavahAra 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara svAmI 29. kleza rahita jIvana 7. bhugate usI kI bhUla 30. guru-ziSya 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 31. ahiMsA 9. TakarAva TAlie 32. satya-asatya ke rahasya 10. huA so nyAya 33. camatkAra 11. ciMtA 34. pApa-puNya 12. krodha 35. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 13. pratikramaNa 36. karma kA vijJAna 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 37. AptavANI - 1 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 38. AptavANI - 2 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 39. AptavANI - 3 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 40. AptavANI - 4 18. trimaMtra 41. AptavANI - 5 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 42. AptavANI - 6 20. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA 43. AptavANI - 7 vyavahAra 44. AptavANI - 8 21. prema 44. AptavANI - 13 (pUrvArdha) 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (saM.) 45. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (pUrvArdha) 23. dAna 46. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (uttarArdha) * dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| * dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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AptavANiyA~ haiM Adhunika zAstra! jagat kA udaya acchA ho, taba 'jAnIpuruSa' prakaTa ho jAte haiM aura unakI dezanA' hI zrutajJAna' hai| unake eka hI vAkya meM sabhI zAstra pUrNarUpa se A jAte haiM! zAstroM meM likhA hai ki satya bolo|' taba loga kahate haiM ki, 'hama satya nahIM bola paate| isalie aba koI kaliyugI zAstra de to kAma hogaa|' kaliyuga kA asara na ho aura mokSa meM le jAe aba aise zAstra likhe jaaeNge| zAstroM kI bAteM to purAnI davAI ho gaI, aba naI davAI kI jarUrata hai| yaha sAinsa sahI samaya para AI hai, yAnI ki kucha aura hI vijJAna hai yh| yaha AptavANI to naye zAstra likha de, aisI bAta hai| varnA itane sAre zAstra haiM, unakA kaba pAra Ae? isase to eka hI ghaMTe meM sArA vijJAna samajha sakate haiN| - dAdAzrI AtmavijJAnI e. ema. paTela ke bhItara prakaTa hue dAdA bhagavAnanA asIma jaya jayakAra ho 9784862128915 Printed in India dadabhagwan.org Price 100