Aptvani 13 Uttararddh

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/034041/1

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55 5 AptavANI phra zreNI-13 (uttarArdha)

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dAdA bhagavAna prarUpita svarUpa jJAna sAkSAtkAra prApta, akrama mArgI mahAtmAoM ke lie kevalajJAna kI zreNiyA~ pAra karane vAlA graMtha AptavANI zreNI-13 (uttarArdha) mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna hiMdI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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trimaMtra vartamAnatoDa ..zrImadararavAmAM namo arihaMtANaM namo sikhANaM namo AyariyANaM namo uvajhAyANaM namo loe sabasAhUrNa eso paMca namukhAro, savva pAvappaNAsaNI maMgalANaM ca savvesiM, paDhama ivAi maMgalam 1 OM namo bhagavate vAsudevAya 2 OM namaH zivAya 3 jaba saccidAnaMda

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samarpaNa aho aho dAdA, teramI AptavANI ! g2az2abanI phUTI, A to mokSa saravANI ! be ghaDImAM ja akrame, (muja) prajJA pragaTANI ! 'rAga-dveSa' bhagADe, tuja 'vItarAga' vANI ! 'kare meluMne cokhkhuM, e ja pudgalANi' ! 'jJAna - ajJAna' taNI, bhedarekhA tANI ! 'jJAna - darzana - cAritra 'mAM, ThoThane ANI ! ahIM 'jJAna-darzana 'nI, vyAkhyA samajANI ! akramanI siddhi, tIrthaMkaroe vakhANI ! 'jJAtA - dRSTA 'mAMthI 'jJAyakatA' vartANI ! 'eka pudgala' jotAM, 'vIra' dazAnI lhANI ! g2az2aba 'nirAlaMbatA' anubhavANI ! 'huM, bAvo, maMgaLadAsa ' thI 'mULa dRSTi' pakaDANI ! g2az2aba karI te to arpI dAdA vANI ! tamAma duHkho, tuja premamAM DUbANI ! yugo yugonI tarasa, dAde chIpANI ! duHkhamAM sabaDatAMne, akramanI ujANI ! tArI karuNA, dareka para DhoLANI ! na hAle paramANuM, dazA vartANI ! zu arpu kSatriyane kadi kaMI na levANI ! Avo dAdA maLyA mane, Azcarya sarjANI ! anaMta bhavo kapAyA, e ja mokSa kamANI ! brahmAMDano svAmI, chatAM laghu dazA dekhANI ! tethI ja tuja chabI, sahu hRdaye samANI ! nathI tane khevanA koI, tuM jagata kalyANI! samarpaM caraNe jage, teramI AptavANI !

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba cha: baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hae jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnIpuruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hae haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| Apa meM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisI ke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the|

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thii| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, z2immedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|

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nivedana AtmavijJAnI zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, jinheM loga 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke nAma se bhI jAnate haiM, unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake, saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| jJAnIpuruSa saMpUjya dAdA bhagavAna ke zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahArajJAna saMbaMdhI vibhinna viSayoM para nikalI sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa AptavANI meM huA hai, jo naye pAThakoM ke lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda meM yaha vizeSa dhyAna rakhA gayA hai ki vAcaka ko dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai, aisA anubhava ho| unakI hiMdI ke bAre meM unake hI zabda meM kaheM to "hamArI hiMdI yAnI gujarAtI, hiMdI aura aMgrejI kA mikscara hai, lekina jaba 'TI' (cAya) banegI, taba acchI bnegii|" jJAnI kI vANI ko hiMdI bhASA meM yathArtha rUpa se anuvAdita karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai kintu dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, vaha isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai| prastuta pustaka meM kaI jagahoM para koSThaka meM darzAye gae zabda yA vAkya parama pUjya dAdAzrI dvArA bole gae vAkyoM ko adhika spaSTatApUrvaka samajhAne ke lie likhe gae haiN| jabaki kucha jagahoM para aMgrejI zabdoM ke hiMdI artha ke rUpa meM rakhe gae haiN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM rakhe gae haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hiMdI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlAMki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda artha ke rUpa meM die gae haiN| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN| isa AptavANI meM braikiTa meM zabdoM ke jo artha die gae haiM, ve hamArI Aja kI samajha ke anusAra haiN|

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dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM 1. jJAnI puruSa kI pahacAna 22. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA sarva duHkhoM se mukti vyavahAra karma kA siddhAMta 2. 3. 4. Atmabodha 5. maiM kauna hU~ ? 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara svAmI 26. 7. bhugate usI kI bhUla 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 9. TakarAva TAlie 10. huA so nyAya 11. ciMtA 12. krodha 13. pratikramaNa 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 18. trimaMtra 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 20. prema 21. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (saM.) 23. dAna 24. mAnava dharma 25. sevA-paropakAra 8 mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAta 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 28. pati - patnI kA divya vyavahAra 29. kleza rahita jIvana 30. guru-ziSya 31. ahiMsA 32. satya-asatya ke rahasya 33. camatkAra 34. pApa-puNya 35. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 36. karma kA vijJAna 37. AptavANI - 1 se 9 38. AptavANI - 13 (pUrvArdha) 39. AptavANI - 13 ( uttarArdha ) 40. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (pUrvArdha) 41. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (uttarArdha) dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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saMpAdakIya AtmArthiyoM ne AtmA se saMbaMdhita aneka bAteM aneka bAra sunI hoMgI, par3hI bhI hoMgI lekina usakI anubhUti eka guhyatama cIz2a hai ! AtmAnubhUti ke sAtha-sAtha pUrNAhuti kI prApti ke lie aneka cIjeM jAnane kI z2arUrata par3atI hai jaise ki prakRti kA sAinsa, pudgala ko dekhanA aura jAnanA, karmoM kA vijJAna, prajJA kA kArya, rAga-dveSa, kaSAya, AtmA kI nirAlaMba dazA, kevalajJAna kI dazA aura AtmA aura ye sthUla zarIra, sUkSma zarIra aura kAraNa zarIra ke tamAma rahasyoM kA hala, jo mUla dazA taka pahu~cane ke lie mAila sTona ke rUpa meM kAma Ate haiN| jaba taka yaha saMpUrNa rUpa se, sarvAMga rUpa se dRSTi meM, anubhava meM na A jAe taba taka AtmavijJAna kI pUrNAhuti prApta nahIM kI jA sktii| ina tamAma rahasyoM kA spaSTIkaraNa saMpUrNa anubhavI AtmavijJAnI ke alAvA aura kauna de sakatA hai ? pUrva kAla meM hue jJAnI jo kahakara gae haiM, vaha zabdoM meM raha gayA hai, zAstroM meM raha gayA hai aura unhoMne dezakAla ke adhIna kahA thA, jo kAphI kucha Aja ke dezakAla ke adhIna samajha aura anubhava meM phiTa nahIM hotaa| isalie kudarata ke adbhuta naz2arAne ke rUpa meM hama saba ko isa kAla meM AtmavijJAnI akramavijJAnI parama pUjya dAdAzrI ke aMdara pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko sparza karake nikalI huI pUrNa anubhava siddha vANI kA upahAra milA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne kabhI bhI hAtha meM kalama nahIM lI thii| mAtra unake mukhAraviMda se, unake anusAra TeparikaoNrDara meM se mAlikI rahita syAdvAda vANI, nimitta milate hI dezanA ke rUpa meM nikalane lagatI thI ! unheM oNDiyo keseTa meM rikaoNrDa karake, saMkalana karake sujJa sAdhakoM taka pahu~cAne ke prayAsa hue haiM / unameM se AptavANiyoM kA anamola graMtha saMgraha prakAzita huA hai| AptavANI ke bAraha graMtha prakAzita ho cuke haiM aura abhI terahavA~ graMtha prakAzita ho rahA hai, jo pUrvArdha aura uttarArdha meM vibhAjita kiyA gayA hai I 9

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pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI sahaja rUpa se nimittAdhIna nikalatI thii| pratyakSa meM hara kisI ko yathArtha rUpa se samajha meM A jAtI thI lekina bAda meM use graMtha meM saMkalita karanA kaThina ho jAtA hai aura usase bhI adhika kaThina ho jAtA hai sujJa pAThakoM ko use yathArtha rUpa se samajhanA! kitanI hI bAra arthAMtara ho jAne kI vajaha se dizA bhramita ho sakate haiM yA phira dizAmUr3ha ho sakate haiN| udAharaNa ke taura para yadi zAstra meM par3hA, 'jA, terI mammI ko bulA laa'| aba yahA~ para kauna kisakI mammI ke lie kaha rahA hai usa repharansa (saMdarbha) ko pAThaka ko khuda hI samajhanA hai| usameM khuda kI patnI ko bulAne kI bAta bhI ho sakatI hai yA phira kisI aura kI patnI kI bhI! yadi samajhane meM thor3A pharka ho jAe to?!! isa prakAra Atma tattva yA vizva ke sanAtana tattva avarNanIya aura avaktavya haiM / jJAnIpuruSa dAdAzrI bahuta-bahuta U~cAiyoM para se nIce utarakara use zabdoM meM lAkara hameM samajhAte haiN| jisa 'dRSTi' kI bAta hai, usI 'dRSTi' se prApti ho sakatI hai, na ki zabdoM se| 'mUla dRSTi', jo Atma sammukhatA prApti kI bAta hai, vaha zabda meM kaise A sakatI hai? vaha to parama pUjya dAdAzrI kA akrama vijJAna jisa-jisa mahA-mahA puNyAtmAoM ne prApta kiyA hai, prajJA jAgRta hone kI vajaha se unheM par3hate hI samajha meM A jAtA hai| phira bhI kitanI hI guhyatama bAteM samakitI mahAtmAoM kI samajha se bhI bAhara rahatI hai| yA phira kahIM para virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai| vAstava meM jJAnI kA eka bhI zabda kabhI bhI virodhAbhAsI nahIM hotaa| isIlie usakI avamAnanA nahIM krnaa| use samajhane ke lie unake dvArA othorAisDa parsana (adhikArI) se spaSTIkaraNa prApta kara lenA cAhie yA phira penDiMga rkho| jaba khuda usa zreNI taka pahu~cegA taba apane Apa samajha meM A jAegA! udAharaNa ke taura para relve sTezana yA relve pleTaphaoNrma donoM zabdoM kA upayoga alaga-alaga jagaha para kiyA gayA hai| anjAna vyakti ulajha jAtA hai aura jAnakAra samajha jAtA hai ki eka hI cIz2a hai! kaI bAra jaba saMpUjya zrI pleTaphaoNrma kI bAta kara rahe hoM to varNana kI zuruAta meM alaga 10

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hotA hai, bIca meM alaga hotA hai aura aMta meM dUsare sire kA usase bhI alaga hotA hai| isalie dekhane meM aisA lagatA hai ki virodhAbhAsa hai| vAstava meM eka hI cIz2a kI alaga-alaga sTejoM kA varNana hai! yahA~ para dAdAzrI kI vANI jo ki alaga-alaga nimittAdhIna, alaga-alaga kSetra, kAla aura hara eka ke alaga-alaga bhAvoM ke adhIna nikalI, usakA saMkalana huA hai| prakRti kI eka se sau taka kI bAteM nikalI haiM lekina nimitta badalane kI vajaha se pAThaka ko samajhane meM thor3I muzkila ho sakatI hai| kaI bAra aisA lagatA hai ki prazna punaH punaH pUche gae haiM lekina pUchane vAle vyakti alaga-alaga haiM, jabaki use spaSTa rUpa se samajhAne vAle sirpha eka parama jJAnI dAdAzrI hI haiN| aura, AptavANI par3hane vAlA pAThaka to hara bAra eka hI vyakti hai, jise samagra bodha grahaNa karanA hai| jaise parama pUjya dAdAzrI kA eka hI vyakti ke sAtha vArtAlApa ho rahA ho, vaisI sUkSmatA se saMkalana kA prayAsa huA hai| hA~, praznottarI rUpI vANI meM hara eka bAta ke spaSTIkaraNa alaga-alaga lagate haiM lekina ve adhika se adhika gaharAI meM le jAte haiM ! jo ki gaharAI se sTaDI karane vAle ko samajha meM A jaaeNge| isa prakAra sabhI kucha karane ke bAda bhI mUla Azaya se Azaya ko samajhanA to durlabha-durlabha aura durlabha hI lagatA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI ke pravAha meM eka hI cIz2a ke lie alaga-alaga zabda nikale haiM jaise ki prakRti, pudgala, ahaMkAra vagairaha, vagairaha to kisI jagaha para eka hI zabda kA upayoga alaga-alaga cIz2oM ke lie huA hai jaise ki 'mai' kA upayoga ahaMkAra ke lie huA hai, to 'maiM' kA upayoga AtmA ke lie bhI huA hai| (maiM, bAvo aura maMgaladAsa meM) mahAtmAoM ko ina saba ko yogya rUpa se samajhanA hogaa| saiddhAMtika samajha ke vizeSa spaSTIkaraNa dene ke lie meTara meM kahIM-kahIM brekeTa meM Avazyaka saMpAdakIya noTa rakhA gayA hai, jisase pAThaka ko samajhane meM sahAyatA hogii| prastuta graMtha ke pUrvArdha meM dravyakarma ke AThoM prakAroM ko vistAra 11

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pUrvaka samajhAyA gayA hai| zAstroM meM to aneka gunA vistAra se diyA gayA hai jo sAdhaka ko ulajhana meM DAla detA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne, AtmArthiyoM ko mokSamArga meM z2arUrata lAyaka hI, jo Avazyaka hai, utane ko hI vizeSa mahatva dekara bahuta hI sarala bhASA meM samajhAkara kriyAkArI kara diyA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne kitanI hI jagaha para AtmA ko jJAtA-dRSTA kahA hai| to kitanI hI jagaha para prajJA ko| yathArtha rUpa se to jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho jAtA taba taka AtmA ke riprez2anaTeTiva ke rUpa meM prajJA hI jJAtA-dRSTA rahatI hai aura aMta meM kevalajJAna hone ke bAda AtmA svayaM pUre brahmAMDa ke pratyeka jJeya kA prakAzaka banatA hai! kitanI hI bAteM jaise ki prajJA kI bAta bAra-bAra AtI hai, taba vaha punarukti jaisA lagatA hai lekina vaisA nahIM hai| hara bAra adhika sUkSmatA se samajhAyA hotA hai| jaise ki zarIra zAstra (anoTomI) chaTThI kakSA meM AtA hai, dasavIM meM, bArahavIM meM bhI AtA hai aura meDikala meM bhI AtA hai| viSaya aura usakI besika bAteM sabhI meM milatI haiM lekina sUkSmatA hara eka meM alaga-alaga hotI hai| jaba mUla siddhAMta anubhava gocara hotA hai taba vANI yA zabda kI bhinnatA kahIM bhI bAdhaka nahIM rhtii| sarkala ke senTara meM Ae hue vyakti ko kisI ke sAtha koI matabheda nahIM rahatA aura unheM to sabhI kucha jaisA hai vaisA dikhAI detA hai| isIlie vahA~ para judAI rahatI hI nhiiN| kaI bAra saMpUjya dAdAzrI kI ati-ati gahana bAteM par3hakara mahAtmA yA mumukSu jarA Dipresa ho jAte haiM ki aisA to kabhI bhI prApta nahIM kiyA jA sakatA lekina vaisA hogA nhiiN| dAdAzrI to hamezA kahate haiM ki, 'maiM jo kucha bhI kahatA hU~ vaha mAtra Apako samajha lenA hai, use vartana meM lAne kA prayatna nahIM karane laganA hai| usake lie to vApasa nayA ahaMkAra khar3A karanA pdd'egaa'| bAta ko sirpha samajhate jAo, vartana meM apane Apa aaegaa| lekina agara samajhe hI nahIM hoMge to Age kaise bar3hoge? mAtra samajhate jAo aura dAdA bhagavAna se zaktiyA~ mA~go aura nizcaya karanA hai 12

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ki akrama vijJAna ko yathArtha rUpa se saMpUrNa-sarvAMga rUpa se samajhanA hI hai! basa itanI hI jAgRti pUrNatA prApta krvaaegii| abhI to mahAtmAoM ko pA~ca AjJA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', usa avirata lakSya meM rahane ke puruSArtha meM hI rahanA hai| sAdhaka anAdikAla se eka hI cIz2a ke pIche par3e haiM ki mujhe zuddhikaraNa karanA hai, azuddhi dUra karanI hai| citta ko zuddha karanA hai ! kise? mujhe, mujhe, mujhe ! vahA~ dAdAzrI kI anubhava vANI pravAhita hotI hai, 'jo mailA karatA hai, vaha bhI pudgala hai aura jo sApha karatA hai vaha bhI pudgala hai!' tU to mAtra ina saba ko 'dekhane' vAlA hI hai ! aise pratyeka bAta ko avirodhAbhAsI saiddhAMtika rUpa se prApti karavA dete haiN| mUla AtmA to kevalajJAna svarUpa hai, thA aura rhegaa| yaha sArA pha~sAva to saMyogoM ke dabAva kI vajaha se hai, roMga bilIpha se khar3A ho gayA hai| eka roMga bilIpha utpanna huI ki 'maiM nIrU bahana hU~' to usameM se anaMta-anaMta roMga bilIpheM utpanna ho gaI haiM ! akrama vijJAna se dAdAzrI ne mAtra do ghaMToM meM hI mUla roMga bilIpha ko khatma kara diyA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kA niraMtara lakSya aura pratIti de dI lekina (maiM caMdUbhAI hU~) usa roMga bilIpha se utpanna huI anya roMga biliphoM ko khatma karate-karate aura vApasa lauTate-lauTate mUla (vAstavika), kevalajJAna svarUpa taka AnA hai aura aMta meM 'khuda' khuda banakara khar3e rahanA hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI dvArA jagaha-jagaha para isa roMga bilIpha ko khatma karane kI kalA ujAgara hotI hai jo ekAvatArI pada prApta karane ke dRr3ha nizcaya ko atiati sarala aura sahaja mArga banA detI hai| isa prakAra AptavANI terahavIM meM pUjya dAdAzrI ne prakRti kA sAinsa batAkara hada kara dI hai aura sAtha-sAtha 'maiM, bAvo aura maMgaladAsa' kA saba se aMtima vijJAna dekara tamAma spaSTatA kara dI hai| jise samajhane para akhaMDa rUpa se jJAnI kI dazA meM rahA jA sakatA hai| pUjya dAdAzrI ne nIrU bahana aura dIpaka bhAI desAI ko AptavANI kI 1-14 zreNI prakAzita karane kI AjJA dI thii| unhoMne kahA thA ki 13

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AtmArthI ke lie AptavANI 14 arthAt 1 se 14 guNasthAnaka car3hane kI zreNiyA~ bana jAe~gI arthAt mUla jJAna to 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura pA~ca AjJA meM A jAtA hai lekina AptavANiyA~ isa mUla jJAna ko DiTela meM spaSTIkaraNa detI jAtI haiN| jaise ki dillI se kisI ne pUchA, 'nIrU bahana Apa kahA~ rahatI haiM?' to hama kahate haiM sImaMdhara siTI meM, addaalj| lekina agara unheM nIrU bahana taka pahu~canA ho to unheM DiTela meM eDresa kI z2arUrata pdd'egii| aDAlaja kahA~ para hai ? sImaMdhara siTI kahA~ hai ? ahamadAbAda kalola hAive para, sarakheja se gAMdhInagara jAte hue aDAlaja ke caurAhe ke pAsa, peTrola paMpa ke pIche, trimaMdira sNkul| isa prakAra vistAra se batAyA jAe tabhI vaha mUla jagaha para pahu~ca paaegaa| usI prakAra 'AtmA' ke mUla svarUpa taka pahu~cane meM ye AptavANiyA~ dAdAzrI kI vANI ke mahAna zAstrarUpI graMtha ke rUpa meM DiTela detI haiM aura mUla AtmA, kevalajJAna svarUpI AtmA taka pahu~cAtI haiN| - DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna ke jaya saccidAnaMda 14

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upodghAta - DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna [1] prajJA 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura yaha deha alaga hai, vaha dhyAna kauna se bhAga ko rahatA hai? prajJA ko| prajJA kisa prakAra utpanna hotI hai ? svarUpa kA jJAna milate hI prajJA prakaTa hotI hai| taba taka ajJA hI thii| ___ do zaktiyA~ haiM / eka ajJA, jo jIvamAtra meM hai hI aura jJAna milane ke bAda meM dUsarI zakti, AtmA meM se DAyarekTa nikalatI hai, vaha prajJAzakti hai| prajJAzakti AtmA meM se bAhara nahIM nikalane detI aura ajJAzakti saMsAra meM se bAhara nahIM nikalane detii| ajJA se baMdhana hai, pApa-puNya hai| jahA~ ajJA hai vahA~ para ahaMkAra hotA hI hai| yAnI ki yaha 'maiMne kiyA, maiMne bhogA' aisA rahA karatA hai| prajJA meM jJAtA hai, bhoktA nahIM hai aura kartA bhI nahIM hai| jagat meM koI bhI kartA nahIM dikhAI de, vaha aMtima jJAna hai| ajJA saMsAra ke Disiz2ana letI hai aura prajJA mokSa ke| prajJA, jJAna se utpanna hone vAlI zakti hai| ajJA aura prajJA donoM AtmA kI zaktiyA~ haiN| vizeSa pariNAma kI vajaha se ajJA utpanna ho gii| jaba taka AtmA vizeSa pariNAma meM pha~sA huA hai taba taka ajJAzakti se bAhara nikala hI nahIM sakatA na! jaba 'khuda' 'khuda ke' bhAna meM AtA hai taba ajJAzakti haTatI hai usake bAda prajJAzakti prakaTa hotI hai aura kAma karatI hai| usake bAda vaha saMsAra meM nahIM ghusane detI, sAvadhAna karatI rahatI hai| jar3a aura cetana ke saMyoga se jo vizeSa jJAna utpanna huA, vaha ajJAzakti hai| prajJA nirvikalpI hai, cetana hai| vaha mUla cetana hai lekina mUla cetana meM se alaga huI hai, vaha mokSa meM le jAne ke lie hI hai| usake bAda vApasa eka ho jAtI hai| 15

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samyak buddhi hI prajJA hai ? nhiiN| prajJA samyak buddhi se bhI Age kI cIz2a hai| prajJA to pratinidhi hai mUla AtmA kI, isIlie mUla AtmA hI kahalAtI hai| ajJAzakti ne hI saMsAra meM bhaTakA diyA hai| ajJA ke sAtha bahuta bar3I senA hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura ahaMkAra vagairaha sabakucha bahuta viSama hote haiM aura prajJA ke pAsa kucha bhI nahIM hai, ahaMkAra bhI nahIM hai isalie vahA~ para 'hameM' khuda hAz2ira rahanA caahie| yadi 'hama' prajJA pakSa meM raheMge to prajJA sabakucha kara skegii| aMdara z2arA sI bhI caMcalatA utpanna huI ki turaMta hI daravAz2e baMda kara dene caahie| ajJA saphokezana karavAtI hai| usase apanA sukha AvRta ho jAtA hai| aba ciMtA nahIM hotii| __ ajJAna dazA meM icchAe~ utpanna hotI thIM, unheM pUrNa karane ke lie ajJAzakti kAma karatI thii| jJAna ke bAda naI icchAe~ utpanna nahIM hotI isalie pichale bIja meM se nae bIja nahIM par3ate aura jo haiM, unakA nikAla kara denA hai| __ kyA prajJAzakti ko bar3hAyA jA sakatA hai ? prajJA kama yA jyAdA nahIM hotii| buddhi kama-jyAdA hotI rahatI hai| jitanI buddhi kama utanI hI prajJA adhik| prajJA hI mUla jAgRti hai| kama-jyAdA dikhAI detI hai isalie jAgRti kahate haiN| prajJA phula to saMpUrNa jaagRti| Apako 'AjJA' kA pAlana karanA hai aura pAlana karavAtI hai prajJA / AjJA hI dharma hai aura AjJA hI tapa hai| jaba taka tapa hai taba taka prajJA hai| jJAnakriyA mahAtmAoM kI prajJA ke mAdhyama se hotI hai| jo tanmayAkAra ho jAtI hai, vaha ajJA hai aura jo na hone de, vaha prjnyaa| samajhane kI aura dekhane kI zakti prajJA kI hai| jJAnI samajhAte haiM aura grahaNa kauna karatA hai? prjnyaa| jJAna milane ke bAda aMdara lAiTa prajvalita rahatI hai| vaha to niraMtara 16

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prajvalita hI rahatI hai lekina agara bIca-bIca meM 'Apa' kahIM aura cale jAo to isameM lAiTa kyA kare? prajJA, vahI divyacakSu hai ? nhiiN| divyacakSu to sirpha eka hI, sAmane vAle ko zuddhAtmA dekhane kA hI kAma karate haiM jabaki prajJA to bahuta sArA kAma karatI hai| pachatAvA, vaha prajJA karavAtI hai| pratikramaNa, vaha prajJA karavAtI hai| akrama meM sAmAyika meM dekhane vAlA kauna hai ? prjnyaa| AptavANI par3hate haiM, trimaMtra bolate haiM taba akSara par3hane vAlA kauna hai ? prjnyaa| vicAra Ate haiM, ve mana meM se aura jo unheM dekhatI rahe, vaha prajJA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hama se ajJA ne (buddhi ne) riTAyaramenTa le liyA hai yAnI ki vaha khatma ho gaI hai isIlie abudha banakara baiThe haiN'| buddhi naphA-nukasAna dikhAtI hai| saMsAra meM hI DubAe rakhatI hai| jaba 'vyavasthita' ke jJAna kA upayoga hotA hai taba buddhi baMda ho jAtI hai aura abudha dazA kI tarapha prayANa! buddhi kA nahIM sunanA hai vaha Taka-Taka kare taba bhI 'Apa' 'apane' meM hI raho na! jaba taka buddhi ko kImatI mAnoge taba taka TikI rhegii| buddhi se bar3hakara prajJA hai aura prajJA se bar3hakara vijJAna hai! Atma vijJAna! ___ adhyAtma meM buddhi kI kitanI z2arUrata hai? vaha to mAtra zuruAta meM adhyAtma samajhane ke kAma AtI hai, bAda meM nhiiN| hama jo dAdAzrI se samajhate haiM vaha buddhi nahIM hai| vaha to dAdAzrI kI vANI hI itanI pAvara phula hai ki jo AtmA ke AvaraNoM ko bhedakara AtmA ko Taca kara letI hai! ataH isameM buddhi kA kAma hI nahIM hai, samajhane meN| kauna bAra-bAra dAdAzrI ke pAsa khIMcakara lAtA hai ? buddhi yA prajJA? donoM meM se eka bhI nhiiN| vaha to puNya se A pAte haiN| 17

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jijJAsA kise hotI hai ? buddhi ko yA prajJA ko ? buddhi ko / jijJAsu kI buddhi samyak hotI hai, gar3hI huI hotI hai / samyak buddhi aura prajJA meM kyA pharka hai ? jo eka ghaMTe taka AtmajJAnI se jJAna vArtA suna le, usakI buddhi samyak ho jAtI hai| jo jitanA adhika sunegA usakI buddhi utanI hI adhika samyak ho jAegI lekina prajJA utpanna nahIM hogii| prajJA to svarUpa jJAna milane ke bAda hI utpanna hotI hai / prajJA, vaha AtmA kA DAyarekTa prakAza hai / samyak buddhi, vaha inaDAyarekTa prakAza hai| prajJA to AtmA kA hI bhAga hai| jaba taka prajJA prakaTa nahIM huI taba taka samyak buddhi khUba upakArI hai, usake bAda nhiiN| isake bAvajUda bhI samyak buddhi ko paudgalika nahIM kahA jA sakatA aura cetana bhI nahIM kahA jA sakatA / samyak buddhi Akhira meM hai to buddhi hI na ! buddhi mAlikI bhAva vAlI hotI hai / prajJA kA koI mAlika hI nahIM / samyak buddhi arthAt aTaika vAlI nahIM / aTaika vAlI to viparIta buddhi hai| saMsAra meM acchA-burA, yoM do bhAga hote haiN| jabaki apane yahA~ para usase bhI Age acchA-burA nahIM lekina mithyA meM se sanAtana vastu kI tarapha le jAne vAlI bAteM haiM / isa prakAra donoM alaga haiN| avyabhicAriNI buddhi vaha hai jo azAMti meM bhI zAMti karavA de, vaha prajJA se pahale kI sTeja hai| sthitaprajJa aura prajJA kyA hai ? jo khuda kI sahI pahacAna hai, usa samajha meM sthira honA, vaha sthitaprajJa hai| sthitaprajJa dazA, prajJA ke prakaTa hone kI naz2adIkI dazA hai / AtmA prApta hone se pahale kI dazA hai ataH vyavahAra ahaMkAra sahita hotA hai lekina vaha vyavahAra bahuta suMdara hotA hai| sthitaprajJa meM sAkSIbhAva rahatA hai / prajJA to AtmA prApta hone ke bAda meM hI prakaTa hotI hai / usameM ahaMkAra nahIM rahatA / jJAtA - dRSTA bhAva rahatA hai| ataH sthitaprajJa meM buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai jabaki prajJA, vaha to AtmA kA hI bhAga 1 18

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sthitaprajJa arthAt koI vyakti bahuta zAstra par3he, saMtoM kI sevA kare, saMsAra meM khUba mAra khAkara anubhava lekara sthira ho jAe, taba usakI buddhi sthira hotI hai, use sthitaprajJa kahA jAtA hai| usake bAda vaha vicalita nahIM hotA, bhale hI kaise bhI viparIta saMyoga hoN| sthitaprajJa dazA vaha khUba hI sadaviveka vAlI jAgRti kI dazA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA vAle kA vyavahAra bahata acchA hotA hai| lokaniMdya nahIM hotA lekina sthitaprajJa ko mokSa meM jAne ke lie bahuta laMbA rAstA taya karanA par3atA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA kI tulanA meM janaka videhI kI dazA bahuta ucca thii| jaba taka aisI mAnyatA hai ki 'maiM caMdabhAI hU~' taba taka sthitaajJa dazA hai| akramajJAna milane ke bAda jaba, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA ho jAtA hai, taba prajJA utpanna hotI hai| jo sthitaprajJa se bahuta-bahuta Age kI hai| yaha kSAyika samyaktva hai| mithyAtva dRSTi pUrNataH naSTa ho jAtI hai| sthitaprajJa kyA khAte haiM ? kyA pIte haiM? kauna sI bhASA hotI hai unakI? are, AtmA khAtA hI kahA~ hai ? khAne vAlA alaga hI hai! aisI sUkSma bAta dAdAzrI ne hI kI hai| moha naSTa hone ke bAda sthiratA AtI hai| moha TUTanA, vaha to sthitaprajJa dazA se bhI ucca dazA hai, jisake lie arjuna ne kahA hai, 'naSTo moha, smRtilabdha sthitosmi'| vaikaMTha meM jAte-jAte baddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, vaha hai sthitaprajJa dshaa| sthitaprajJa dazA meM ahaMkAra kA astitva hai kyA? ahaMkAra kI upasthiti meM saMsAra kA sAra-asAra nikAlakara buddhi sthira ho jAe to vaha hai sthitprjny| use viveka hI mAnA jAtA hai| usameM rAga-dveSa rahitatA nahIM hotI lekina hara eka prazna ko hala kara sakatA hai| sthitaprajJa hone ke bAda vItarAgatA kI tarapha kA mArga milatA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA vAle meM dayA hotI hai, karuNA nahIM hotii| sAinTisTa risarca (anveSaNa) kaise karate haiM ? buddhi se yA prajJA se? 19

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donoM meM se eka se bhI nhiiN| vaha darzana se hai aura phira vaha kudaratI hai| darzana ke binA sAinTisTa bana hI nahIM skte| mahAna saMtoM meM bhI jo hai, vaha darzana hI kahalAtA hai| prajJA to AtmA prApta hone ke bAda hI utpanna hotI hai| prajJA DAyarekTalI ahaMkAra ko hI sAvadhAna karatI hai| jo jJAnI kA nididhyAsana karavAtI hai, vaha prajJA hai| nididhyAsana nahIM hone meM dakhala kisakI hai? udayakarma kii| zuddha citta, vahI zuddhAtmA hai| jaba jJAna milatA hai taba saMpUrNa zuddha citta ho jAtA hai, taba prajJA prakaTa hotI hai| jaba azuddha citta aura mana kA bahuta z2ora rahatA hai, taba nizcaya bala baMda ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'maiM kabhI bhI zuddhAtmA kI guphA se bAhara nikalatA hI nhiiN| bAhara nikalU~gA taba aMdara jAnA par3egA na? aura agara maiM bAhara nikalU~ to ina mahAtmAoM ke ghara kauna jAegA? hara roz2a dAdA hara eka mahAtmA ke ghara jAte haiM! vaha prajJA kI z2abaradasta zakti hai ! dAdA ko yAda karate hI vaha pratyakSa hAz2ira ho jAte haiM, vaha kyA hai ? prajJAzakti pahu~ca jAtI hai vahA~ pr'| dAdAzrI ko yAda karate hI dAdA hAz2ira ho jAte haiM, vaha kyA hai ? vaha dAdAzrI kI prajJA kA kAma hai| jaisA sAmane vAle kA bhAva hotA hai, usI anusAra use mila jAtA hai| usameM dAdAzrI ko koI lenA-denA nahIM haiM aura ve isa cIz2a kI khabara bhI nahIM rkhte| yaha jo phAiloM kA nikAla karavAtI hai, vaha prajJAzakti hai aura 'vyavasthita' zakti nikAla karatI hai| AjJA pAlana kA nizcaya kauna karatA hai ? prajJA / jJAna milane ke bAda jo DiscArja ahaMkAra prajJA meM tanmayAkAra rahanA cAhie, vaha slipa ho jAtA hai| prajJA meM tanmayAkAra rahanA, isakA matalaba kyA hai? prajJA ke prati sinsiyara rhnaa| sinsiyara kaba rahA jA sakegA? nizcaya pakkA hogA, tb| hameM kinAre para pahu~canA ho to z2ora kinAre kI tarapha hI mAranA par3egA na! 20

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prajJA kise sAvadhAna karatI hai ? pratiSThita AtmA ke ahaMkAra vAle bhAga ko| usa ahaMkAra ko jo mukta hone ke prayatna meM hai| jisase bhUla hotI hai use prajJA sAvadhAna karatI hai lekina aisA nahIM honA cAhie, aisA pratibhAva kisakA hai ? isameM prakAza prajJA kA hai aura isa prakAza meM jo cittavRtti zuddha ho cukI hai, vaha pratibhAva detI hai / prajJA meM se utpanna hone vAle AnaMda ko kauna bhogatA hai ? use rileTiva ahaMkAra bhogatA hai / riyala to hamezA AnaMda meM hI hai na ! jo vedatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai aura jo jAnatA hai vaha prajJA hai / vedaka meM ekAkAra hone se duHkha hai aura jJAyaka meM rahA jAe to duHkha nahIM rhtaa| jJAna milane ke bAda vANI kA udaya hotA hai aura usa udaya ke jAgRta hone ke bAda yadi Apako bolane na diyA jAe taba prajJA pariSaha utpanna hotA hai athavA sAmane vAle ko samajhAne para bhI yadi vaha na samajhe taba bhI Apako prajJA pariSaha utpanna hotA hai / kisI se galatI ho aura use khuda kA jJAna batAnA ho lekina use avasara nahIM mile taba bhI aMdara prajJA pariSaha utpanna hotA hai| 'kaba kaha dU~, kaba kaha dU~', vaha prajJA pariSaha hai| sUjha aura prajJA meM kyA pharka hai ? sUjha prajJA kI tarapha le jAtI hai / ajJAna dazA meM sUjha hI kAma karatI hai| sUjha, vaha prajJA nahIM hai| isa akrama vijJAna ko kisase dekhA hai ? prajJA se / ajJAna aura ajJA meM kyA pharka hai ? ajJAna, vaha eka prakAra kA jJAna hai aura ajJA, vaha kisI bhI prakAra kA jJAna nahIM hai / ajJA sirpha phAyadA-nukasAna hI dekhatI hai hara eka cIz2a meM / ajJAna - jJAna arthAt sAMsArika jnyaan| ajJAna prApti ke lie ajJA utpanna huI aura jJAna prApti ke lie prajJA utpanna huI hai ! ajJAna, vaha vizeSa jJAna hai / vaha galata nahIM hai lekina vaha duHkhadAI hai / riyala - rileTiva ko alaga kauna rakhatA hai ? prajJA / prajJA, rileTivariyala hai| usakA kAma pUrA ho jAne para prajJA mUla jagaha para A jAtI hai| usake bAda AtmA meM mila jAtI hai / riyala to avinAzI hotA hai| 21

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bhedajJAna aura prajJA meM kyA pharka hai ? donoM lAiTa haiN| jJAnIpuruSa ke mAdhyama se bhedajJAna riyala-rileTiva meM bheda DAla detA hai aura prajJA kI lAiTa TemparerI paramAnenTa hai| mokSa meM jAne taka prajJA lAiTa detI hai| prajJA kA z2ora kisa cIz2a se bar3hatA hai ? pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karane para prajJA utpanna hotI hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' jo yaha kahatA hai, vaha TeparikaoNrDara hai lekina usake pIche bhAva prajJA kA hai| jo prakRti ko jAnatA hai aura prakRti ke AdhAra para calatA hai, vaha kauna hai ? ahaMkAra! khuda ko jAnatA hai aura khuda ke AdhAra para calatA hai, vaha kauna hai ? prjnyaa| prajJA aura jAgRti meM kyA pharka hai ? prajJA AtmA kI pyora zakti hai aura jAgRti pyoriTI aura impayoriTI kA mikscara hai| jaba jAgRti sau pratizata pyora ho jAtI hai taba kevalajJAna hotA hai| taba prajJA khatma ho jAtI hai| mokSa ke lie kisa cIz2a kI adhika z2arUrata hai ? jAgRti yA prajJA kI? donoM kii| prajJA mokSa kI tarapha mor3atI rahatI hai aura jAgRti use pakar3a letI hai| ajJAzakti kA mUla kyA hai? jar3a aura cetana donoM ke ikaTThe hone se ajJAzakti utpanna ho gaI aura donoM ke alaga hone para khatma ho jaaegii| dAdAzrI meM bhI prajJA hai? hA~, hai| vaha kaisI hotI hai ? sAmane vAle ko mokSa meM le jAne ke lie dAdAzrI se khaTapaTa kauna karavAtA hai ? vaha prajJA hai! khaTapaTa vAlI prajJA! prajJA na ho to koI khaTapaTa karane vAlA rahegA hI nahIM na! 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI kRpA aura jJAnI kI kRpA meM kyA pharka hai? 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI kRpA utarane ke bAda to jJAnI ko koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM rahatI na! 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI kRpA prajJA ke mAdhyama se utaratI hai| jagat kalyANa kA kAma karavAne vAlI prajJA hai aura usameM ahaMkAra nimitta banatA hai| 22

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kevalajJAna hone taka prajJA hI jJAtA - dRSTA rahatI hai| prajJA arthAt AtmA kA hI bhAga / bArIka kAtanA ho to prajJA jJAtA - dRSTA kahalAegI aura moTA kAtanA ho to AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA khlaaegaa| dhyAtA - dhyAna aura dhyeya kauna hai ? jJAna milane ke bAda prajJA dhyAtA banatI hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha dhyeya | dhyAtA - dhyeya kI ekatA ho jAne para dhyAna utpanna hotA hai / jJAna, vijJAna aura prajJA kyA hai ? jaba taka karanA par3e taba taka jJAna hai aura vijJAna apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai ! aura prajJA una donoM kI bIca kI sthiti hai| I jJAna zAstroM meM hotA hai aura vijJAna jJAnI ke hRdaya meM rahatA hai prajJA sva ke sAtha abheda aura buddhi se to bilkula bhinna hai / sAvadhAna karane vAlA aura sAvadhAna hone vAlA eka hI hai ? aMta meM to eka hI hai| do cIjeM haiM hI nahIM / sAvadhAna karate samaya aura sAvadhAna hote samaya usake paryAya badalate haiN| AtmA vibhAvika ho gayA hai saMyogoM ke dabAva kI vajaha se, isIlie alaga ho gayA hai| jaba pUrNa svabhAva meM A jAtA hai taba judAI nahIM rahatI, abheda ho jAtA hai / jaba kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai taba ajJA, ahaMkAra khatma ho jAtA hai aura dUsarI tarapha prajJA bhI khatma ho jAtI hai / jisa prakAra sAMsArika vyavahAra calAne ke lie yaha ajJA aura ahaMkAra utpanna hue usI prakAra jJAnI se jJAna milane ke bAda mokSa meM le jAne ke lie prajJA utpanna huii| jaba saMsAra khatma ho jAtA hai tabhI prajJA kA kAma pUrNa hotA hai yA phira kevalajJAna hone para prajJA kA kAma khatma hotA hai| ataH phira aMta meM jo bacatA hai vaha mAtra jJAna haiM ! kevalajJAna ! vahI, kevala AtmA hI ! saMpUrNa abhedatA prApta ho, isakA matalaba kyA hai ? abhedatA arthAt tnmyaakaar| eka ho jAte haiM hama / jJAna milane ke bAda mahAtmAoM ko 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kA vizvAsa ho gayA hai, pratIti baiTha gaI hai| thor3A anubhava 23

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huA hai, lekina usa rUpa ho nahIM gae haiN| abhI taka bheda hai| saMpUrNa zuddhAtmArUpa ho jAne para saMpUrNa abheda ho jaaeNge| zuddhAtmA ke sAtha abheda kauna hotA hai ? ahaMkAra? nhiiN| prajJA zuddhAtmA ke sAtha abheda ho jAtI hai| prajJA AtmA meM se judA huI hai vaha eka ho jAtI hai| vyavahAra pUrNa karane ke lie jo prajJA alaga huI hai, (AtmA se alaga huI hai,) kAma pUrA hone ke bAda vaha eka ho jAtI hai| __ abhI apanA 'maiM 'pana prajJA meM hai| jJAna se pahale vaha ahaMkAra meM thA, vaha aba khatma ho gayA hai| pahale hama ahaMkAra meM barata rahe the, aura aba AtmA meM baratate haiM ata: aMtarAtmA ho ge| aMtarAtmA, vahI prajJA hai| jaba taka aMtarAtmA dazA hai taba taka sva ramaNatA hai aura bAhara kI ramaNatA bhI hai| aMta meM kevala sva ramaNatA, vahI kevalajJAna! vahI paramAtmA! [2.1] rAga-dveSa saMsAra kA rUTa kaoNz2a kyA hai? ajnyaan| ajJAna khatma hone para rAgadveSa jAte haiN| mala-vikSepa khatma ho jAte haiN| Apa zuddhAtmA ho yA caMdUbhAI ? yadi zuddhAtmA ho to Apako rAgadveSa nahIM haiM! akrama meM jJAna milane ke bAda rAga-dveSa bilkula bhI nahIM rahate haiN| jo dikhAI detA hai, vaha DiscArja hai| bhare hue mAla kA galana ho rahA hai kyoMki aba hiMsaka bhAva nahIM rahA aura tAMtA (taMta) bhI nahIM rahA! rAga kaoNz2eja haiM aura anurAga va Asakti iphekTa haiN| iphekTa ko nahIM lekina kaoNz2eja ko baMda karanA hai| jJAna milane ke bAda kaisA rahatA hai? baccoM para jo rAga rahatA hai, vaha kyA hai? aisA rahatA hai yA nahIM rahatA? rahatA hai| vaha kisa ke jaisA hai? jaise ki cuMbaka ke sAmane Alapina ho to cuMbaka ko ghumAne se AlapineM hila jAtI haiM yA nahIM hilatI? kyA una AlapinoM ko Asakti hai ? nahIM, vaha cuMbaka kA guNa hai| usI prakAra apane zarIra meM bhI ilekTrisiTI se cuMbakIya guNa utpanna hotA hai| vaha apane jaise paramANuoM ko khIMcatA hai| isalie aisA dekhane ko milatA hai ki pAgala bahU se banatI hai aura aklamaMda bahU se nahIM bntii| 24

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zuddhAtmA kA svabhAva rAga-dveSa vAlA hai hI nahIM, vItarAga hai| pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kA svabhAva rAgI-dveSI hai| vaha bhI vAstava meM sAinTiphikalI to paramANuoM kA AkarSaNa-vikarSaNa hI hai| rAga-dveSa kaba hote haiM? agara aMdara usakA kartA bane to! aba aMdara koI kartA rahA hI nahIM na! to phira mahAtmAoM ko rAga-dveSa hoMge kahA~ se? AkarSaNa baMda hone para vItarAgatA utpanna hotI hai| dAdA meM bhI bharA huA mAla hai lekina AkarSaNa nahIM hotA kahIM bhI! aMdara rAga-dveSa ke prati abhiprAya badala gayA, isalie vaha vItarAga hai| 'nahIM hai merA' kahA ki judA ho jAte haiN| phira rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| kauna sA 'merA' aura kauna sA 'merA' nahIM hai, dAdAzrI ne hameM jJAna se vaha batA diyA hai| mana virodha kare to usameM harja nahIM hai, lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hone caahie| mana ke jJAtA-dRSTA raheMge to vItarAga rahA jA sakatA hai| ceharA bigar3a jAe to bhI rAga-dveSa hue aisA nahIM kahA jA sktaa| vaha to pudgala kI kriyA hai| jaba ceharA bigar3e aura vaha khuda ko acchA nahIM lage to vaha khuda usase judA hI hai| aba aMdara acchA-burA jo hotA hai vaha bharA huA mAla nikala rahA hai| use 'dekhanA' hai aura bahuta phorsa vAlA ho to usakA pratikramaNa karanA hai| nija kaSAya hI nija ko duHkha dete haiM, anya koI nhiiN| jaba taka viSaya hai taba taka AtmA kA spaSTa vedana nahIM ho sktaa| jahA~ vaha khatma hotA hai, vahA~ para bhagavAna kI hada aura bhagavAna kI hAz2irI rahatI hai! dAdAzrI ne zuddhAtmA pada diyA tabhI se rAga-dveSa kA eka bhI paramANu nahIM rhaa| gAranTeDa mokSa mila gyaa| aba mAtra AjJA kA pAlana hI karanA rhaa| phira saMsAra asta ho jaaegaa| dAdAzrI ke mahAtmA lar3e-jhagar3eM to bhI vItarAga hI haiM! dAdAzrI 25

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hamezA aisA kahate the kyoMki aMdara se jisakA 'maiM' aura 'merA' calA gayA, usake rAga-dveSa jar3a-mUla se cale ge| aba jo bacA hai vaha saba DrAme kA khela hai| rAga-dveSa vyatireka guNa haiN| vaha mUla AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai aura jar3a kA bhI nahIM hai| dikhAI z2arUra dete haiM lekina haiM nhiiN| rAga-dveSa pudgala ke guNa mAne jAte haiM, lekina paramANuoM ke nhiiN| mUla meM ve nahIM haiM, vikRti meM haiN| pudgala arthAt puurnn-gln| pudgala meM rAga-dveSa honA, vaha saMsAra kahalAtA hai aura yadi nahIM hoM to vaha jJAna, mukta! jJAna milane ke bAda mUrchA utpanna nahIM hotii| mUrchA arthAt striyA~ suMdara sAr3I dekhakara kaisI mUrcchita ho jAtI haiM! AtmA-vAtmA sabakucha bhUla jAtI haiN| vaha prAkRtika svabhAva kI mUrchA hai| jJAna milane ke bAda use cAritra moha kahA gayA hai| jisameM rAga-dveSa kA abhAva huA, vahI ahiMsaka! jitane rAga-dveSa utanA roga! koI bahuta duHkha detA hai to vaha dveSa kA roga hai| bahuta duHkha nahIM de, jaldI davAI mila jAe to vaha rAga kI vajaha se hai| kucha bhI karo lekina rAga-dveSa mata kro| pichale hisAboM kA niber3A lA do| pratikramaNa karake chUTa jaao| rAga-dveSa rahita kA jJAna-darzana, vaha zuddha jJAna-darzana kahalAtA hai ! [2.2 ] pasaMda-nApasaMda pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI (lAika enDa DisalAika) jo rahatI haiM, vaha bharA huA mAla hai| TUTI huI benca ho aura acchI benca ho to lAikiMga acche ke lie hI hotI hai| usameM harja nahIM hai lekina agara usameM ahaMkAra mila jAe to rAga-dveSa hoMge! DiscArja rAga-dveSa ko bhI pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI kahA jAtA hai| bhojana meM bhI jo bhAtA hai aura nahIM bhAtA, vaha aMdara ke paramANuoM kI dakhala 26

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se hai| aMdara jo mA~gane vAle paramANu haiM, ve badalate rahate haiM isIlie aisA ho jAtA hai ki bhAne vAlI cIz2a nahIM bhAtI aura na bhAne vAlI cIz2a bhAne bhI laga jAtI hai / kyA dAdAzrI ko pasaMdagI - nApasaMdagI rahatI hai ? rahatI hai lekina vaha DrAmeTika hotI hai| pasaMdagI - nApasaMdagI vaha sthUla zarIra kA svabhAva hai| zAstra meM rati-arati kahA hai use / dAdAzrI bhI gaddI para baiThanA pasaMda karate haiM lekina agara koI kahe ki 'nahIM nIce baiTho', to vaisA / phira usameM aMdara eka paramANu bhI nahIM hilatA / mahAtmAoM kA jitanA DiscArja ahaMkAra zuddha karanA bAkI hai, utane hI DiscArja rAga-dveSa hote haiM unheM / upekSA aura dveSa meM kyA pharka hai ? upekSA yAnI nApasaMda ho, phira bhI dveSa nahIM, aura dveSa arthAt nApasaMda para dveSa rahatA hai / kusaMga kI upekSA rakhanI hai, dveSa nahIM rakhanA hai| ajJAnI dveSa rakhate haiM / upekSA arthAt dveSa bhI nahIM aura rAga bhI nahIM / I khuda ke hitAhita kA sAdhana dekhe to upekSA karatA hai / upekSA meM ahaMkAra hai / niHspRhI aura upekSA meM kyA pharka hai ? ni:spRhI arthAt 'hama' vAlA arthAt usameM ahaMkAra bar3hatA jAtA hai aura upekSA meM se vItarAgatA janma letI hai| abhAva meM dveSa rahatA hai / DisalAika meM dveSa nahIM rahatA / upekSA aura udAsInatA meM kyA pharka hai ? udAsInatA aura vItarAgatA meM bahuta hI kama Dipharansa hai / udAsIna hone ke lie ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / upekSA meM ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata I hai| udAsInatA to vairAga Ane ke bAda kI ucca dazA hai / vItarAga hone se pahale kI dazA hai| udAsIna arthAt kyA ? dekhane para koI cIz2a acchI lagatI hai aura jaba taka nahIM dekhe taba taka yAda bhI nahIM AtA, udAsIna dazA / cIz2a bhogate haiM lekina jaise hI vaha calI jAe to phira kucha bhI 27

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nhiiN| udAsInatA meM to sabhI nAzavaMta cIz2oM para se bhAva TUTa jAtA hai aura avinAzI kI khoja hone ke bAvajUda bhI usakI prApti nahIM hotii| rAga-dveSa ke bAda meM upekSA - vairAga- udAsInatA - samabhAva - viitraagtaa| isa prakAra sTepiMga hote haiM kramika meN| akrama meM rAga-dveSa meM se to sIdhA svabhAva meM rakha diyaa| vItarAga ke ekadama naz2adIka! bhAva, udAsInatA meM karmabaMdhana nahIM hotaa| udAsInatA vItarAgatA kI jananI hai! zuddha cetana to vItarAga bhAva se hI hai lekina agara logoM se kahA jAe ki udAsIna bhAva se hai to unheM turaMta samajha meM A jaaegaa| jisa cIz2a meM rAga yA dveSa hotA hai, vaha cIz2a use yAda AtI hI rahatI hai| sneha aura rAga meM kyA pharka hai? sneha arthAt gaaddh'| cipaka gyaa| rAga adhika muzkila hai| sneha to TUTa bhI sakatA hai| rAga binA jJAna ke nahIM TUTa sktaa| [2.3] vItadveSa jagat dveSa se duHkhI hai, rAga se nhiiN| pahale dveSa chor3anA hai usake bAda raag| bhagavAna pahale vItadveSa hue, usake bAda vItarAga hue| jagat baira se khar3A hai| baira meM se rAga utpanna hotA hai| baira arthAt mUla dvess| AtmajJAna hone para vItadveSa ho jAtA hai, usake bAda vItarAga ho jAtA hai| saMsAra meM jo rAga hai, vaha kaisA hai ? jela meM rahA huA vyakti jela ko lIpatA-potatA hai| kyA use jela para rAga hai ? nahIM, z2arA sA bhI nhiiN| vaha to isalie ki 'rAta ko kaise soU~ ?' isalie, lAcArI meN| saMsAra meM bhaTakAne vAlA mUla kAraNa dveSa hai| ghara meM sabhI para prema hI Ae, dveSa ho hI nahIM to jAnanA ki nayA bIja nahIM pdd'egaa| bhagavAna ne kahIM para dveSa karane ko nahIM kahA hai| kusaMga ke prati bhI nhiiN| dveSa ko hI chor3anA hai| rAga nhiiN| vItadveSa bana jAo, apane 28

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Apa vItarAga ho jaaoge| dveSa kaoNz2a hai aura rAga pariNAma hai| vaha kisa taraha ? khuda kI patnI para yadi z2arA sA bhI dveSa na ho to usake prati rAga hogA hI nahIM! dveSa ke riekzana meM rAga hotA hai| dveSa kA hI phAunDezana hai| dAdA kA jJAna milane ke bAda dveSa calA jAtA hai| usake bAda cIz2oM ke prati AkarSaNa rahatA hai lekina vaha nATakIya, usake bAda vItarAga banatA hai lekina bahuta samaya bAda! jaMgala meM khUba bhUkha lage taba akulAhaTa hotI hai| usa akulAhaTa meM dveSa hotA hai, rAga nahIM hotaa| sonA, hIrA vagairaha dikhAyA jAe to bhI dveSa hotA hai| khUba bhUkha lagane para iMsAna ko rAga hotA hai yA dveSa? dvess| pA~ca indriyoM kI biginiMga dveSa kA kAraNa hai| to phira rAga kaba hotA hai ? roTI ho aura parAThA ho to vaha parAThA pasaMda karatA hai| isakA matalaba usa para rAga hai aura usakA bhojana koI le le to dveSa hotA hai| isa prakAra dveSa meM se rAga aura rAga meM se dveSa calatA hI rahatA hai, lekina mUla meM dveSa hai| akrama meM vItadveSa huA arthAt usase pahale mamatA to calI hI gii| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ve cAroM hI kaSAya dveSa haiN| kaSAya arthAt jo vyavahAra AtmA ko pIr3A de| kula milAkara ye sabhI dveSa haiN| lekina zAstroM meM (rAga-dveSa) sirpha do hI batAe gae haiN| akrama meM to samabhAva se nikAla karane ko kahA gayA hai| ata: jo kucha bhI Ae usameM rAga-dveSa nahIM lekina nikAla karanA hai| bhUkha lage, pyAsa lage, viSaya se saMbaMdhita bhUkha lage, deha se saMbaMdhita bhUkha lage, vaha dveSa kA kAraNa hai| vaha saba nahIM hogA to vItarAga ho jAegA! jisane pichale janma meM brahmacarya kA bhAva kiyA ho, use isa janma meM usakA udaya AtA hai| usa udaya ke bAda use viSaya kI bhUkha nahIM lgtii| bhUkha 29

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jJAnI ne vItadveSa banAyA hai, aba unake sAtha baiThakara vItarAga honA pic bhUkha lagatI hai, pyAsa lagatI hai, nIMda AtI hai, thakAna lagatI hai, vaha saba azAtA (duHkha-pariNAma) vedanIya haiN| laganA arthAt sulgnaa| dveSa ho jAtA hai aura rAga vaha apanI pasaMda se hai| khuda kI strI kAlI ho aura dUsare kI gorI ho to gorI para rAga hotA hai| usameM mUla kAraNa dveSa hai| __ pahale dveSa hotA hai tabhI rAga utpanna hotA hai na! dveSa ke jAne ke bAda, rAga jAne meM bahuta dera lagatI hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' yaha Aropita jagaha para rAga hai aura isIlie svarUpa ke prati dveSa hai| dAdA jJAna dete haiM taba anaMta kAla ke pApa naSTa ho jAte haiM isalie dveSa khatma ho jAtA hai| usake bAda DiscArja bhAva se rAga rahatA hai jo dhIre-dhIre jAtA hai| sAmane vAle ke prati dveSa ke lie pratikramaNa karanA hai| aTaika karanA baMda ho jAe to use dharma kahate haiN| zAstra aisA kahate haiM ki tere bhAva meM aTaika nahIM hai to tU mahAvIra hI hai! yaha akrama vijJAna to saMpUrNa vijJAna hai| yaha bahuta bar3A siddhAMta kahalAtA hai| [2.4] prazasta rAga AtmA se saMbaMdhita jo sAdhana haiM unake prati yadi rAga ho jAe to, use prazasta rAga kahA gayA hai| isameM saba se bar3A sAdhana to jJAnIpuruSa haiM, usake bAda shaastr| aMta meM yaha rAga bhI nikAlanA par3egA, tabhI vItarAga ho paaeNge| vItadveSa ho jAne ke bAda hI prazasta rAga hotA hai| prazasta rAga kI adbhutatA yaha hai ki isa rAga ke bAda dveSa nahIM hotaa| yaha rAga saMsAra ke sabhI rAga chur3avAkara sirpha jJAnIpuruSa para karavA detA hai| isa rAga se baMdhana nahIM hotA, yaha mukti detA hai| 30

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jaba taka AtmA kA spaSTa anubhava nahIM ho jAtA taba taka jJAnIpuruSa hI merA AtmA hai| phira ve bhUle hI nahIM jA skte| prazasta rAga pratyakSa mokSa kA kAraNa hai| kitane hI loga prazasta rAga ko bhalA-burA kahate haiN| kahate haiM ki usase kevalajJAna ruka jAtA hai! aba aisA kahane vAle ko abhI taka AtmajJAna bhI nahIM milA hotA! bhagavAna mahAvIra ke prati gautama svAmI ke prazasta rAga ko khUba bhalA-burA kahA gayA hai! are, pratyakSa bhagavAna para aisA rAga honA kyA koI aisI-vaisI bAta hai ? patnI, baccoM aura paisoM ke alAvA aura kahIM para rAga huA hai ? gautama svAmI ko bhagavAna ke prati prazasta rAga thA isalie aMta meM bhagavAna mahAvIra ne hI khaTapaTa kI, unheM kevalajJAna prakaTa karavAne ke lie| arthAt isase jJAna rukatA nahIM hai| thor3I dera lagatI hai to usase kyA bigar3a gayA? jJAnI para paudgalika rAga hotA hai ? yadi ho jAe taba bhI TikatA nahIM hai| vaha prazasta rAga meM pariNAmita ho hI jAtA hai| rAga saMsAra meM bhaTakAtA hai aura prazasta rAga mokSa meM le jAtA hai| prazasta rAga aura prazasta moha meM kyA pharka hai? prazasta rAga nikala sakatA hai jabaki moha gAr3ha hotA hai| use jAne meM dera lagatI hai| rAga pakar3I huI cIz2a hai aura moha cipakI huI cIz2a hai| jJAnI ke prati jo bhakti bhAva hai vaha, ina cAra kaSAyoM meM se lobha meM jAtA hai lekina vaha kapaTa vAlA lobha nahIM hai ! vAstavika rAga to vaha hai jisameM kapaTa aura lobha donoM hI hote haiN| isa prazasta rAga meM sirpha lobha hI hai| jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA, vaha bhI prazasta rAga hai arthAt kapaTa rahita lobha hai| bhagavAna sImaMdhara svAmI ke darzana hote hI prazasta rAga apane Apa hI chUTa jaaegaa| yaha jo prazasta rAga hai, vaha aMtima avalaMbana hai, nirAlaMba hone tk| mahAtmAoM ke prati jo rAga hotA hai, vaha bhI prazasta rAga hai! 31

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dAdAzrI ke prati rAga honA, vaha bhI prazasta rAga hai| usase khUba zAMti kA anubhava hotA hai aura agara Asakti ho to vahA~ para bAda meM azAMti ho jAtI hai| dAdAzrI DA~Te taba bhI prazasta rAga jAtA nahIM hai! cUlhA jalAyA, khAnA banAyA, phira cUlhA vApasa bujhAnA par3atA hai na? bujhAnA thA to jalAyA kyoM? vaha karanA hI par3atA hai, usake binA nahIM cltaa| usI prakAra yaha prazasta rAga utpanna hotA hai aura phira aMta meM calA jAtA hai| saMsAra kA rAga nikAlane ke lie yaha z2arUrI hai| kyA dAdAzrI vApasa mileMge? jinake sAtha kA hisAba baMdha gayA hai, ve chor3eMge kyA? [2.5] vItarAgatA vItarAgatA meM vItarAga rahate haiM lekina jJAnI to rAga meM bhI vItarAga rahate haiM! samatva arthAt mAna dene vAle para rAga nahIM aura apamAna karane vAle para dveSa nhiiN| udAsInatA arthAt jaba ahaMkAra sahita rAga-dveSa na rheN| indriyoM ko rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| yaha to ajJAna ulTA dikhAtA hai| jJAnI ko aura ajJAnI ko jagat eka jaisA hI dikhAI detA hai| pharka sirpha rAga-dveSa kA hI hai! jJAna vizAla aura aizvaryavAna hai lekina khuda kI bAr3a kI vajaha se dikhAI nahIM detA! mahAtmAoM ko vItarAga hone kI jaldI hai? yoM kahIM ekadama se sau thor3e hI ho jAegA! ulTe meM se sulTe kI tarapha gayA vahI bar3I bAta hai| aba mahAtmAoM ko rAga-dveSa meM ruci nahIM rhtii| jJAnI jaisI vItarAgatA kisa prakAra se prApta kI jA sakatI hai? jJAnI ke Taca meM rahane se| unheM dekhakara sIkhA jA sakatA hai| jJAnI kI A~kheM dekho| unhIM meM vItarAgatA dekhane ko milegii| vItarAga ko dekhane se vItarAga banate jAte haiN| thyorI lAkha ho lekina prekTikala dekhA ki turaMta hI A jAtA hai| 32

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jagat nidorSa dikhe to vaha vItarAga hone kI nizAnI hai| koI apamAna kare, gAliyA~ de phira bhI sparza na kare to Apa utane vItarAga ho gae, bhagavAna ho gae aura yadi pUrA jagat jIta gae to pUrNa bhagavAna! phira kisI ke bhI sAtha matabheda nahIM rahegA! zarIra ko khulA chor3a denA yAnI kyA? laTU pheMkane ke bAda usa para phira se DorI nahIM lpettnaa| phira to use dekhate hI rahanA hai ki vaha kaise ghUma rahA hai! aba agara pudgala ko dekhatA rahe to vaha zuddha ho jAegA aura mukta ho jaaoge| samyak darzana aura Atma sAkSAtkAra eka hI cIz2a hai| samyak darzana vItarAgatA kI zuruAta hai| kyA pratiSThita AtmA vItarAga ho sakatA hai ? nhiiN| usameM vItarAgatA kA pAvara AtA hai lekina vItarAgatA kA guNa nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI kI AjJA meM rahane kA puruSArtha hI vItarAga banAegA! rAma aura mahAvIra vItarAga hue, to ve kisI kriyA ke AdhAra para nahIM lekina jJAna ke AdhAra para hue! jJAna jJAnI se milA huA honA cAhie! vItarAga dazA meM kisa prakAra se raha sakate haiM? kisI ke prati krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM karanA, vaha viitraagtaa| agara vaisA (kaSAya) ho jAe to vItarAgatA cUka ge| phira se sAdhanA pdd'egaa| aise karate-karate sthira ho paaeNge| jaba choTA baccA calanA sIkhatA hai taba usakI sthiti kaisI hotI hai? vItarAga ho jAe to bhagavAna bana jaae| aMdara to paramAtmA hI haiM lekina phira paikiMga bhI bhagavAna bana gaI, aisA kahA jAegA! koI bhI vaisA bana sakatA hai! vaha pudgala kI aMtima dazA hai| yaha jJAna hote hI dAdAzrI meM jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA jAgI aura 'vyavasthita' ne unheM nimitta bnaayaa| 33

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vItarAgatA utpanna hone ke bAda karuNA utpanna hotI hai| karuNA vAloM ko deha kA, vANI kA aura mana kA mAlikIpana nahIM rhtaa| karuNA AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai, vaha vItarAga hone kA lakSaNa hai| sahaja kSamA, sahaja namratA aura sahaja saralatA, vItarAga meM ye sabhI guNa hote haiN| ye AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiN| vItarAgatA bhI AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai| yaha to, vyavahAra kI vajaha se lakSaNa utpanna hue haiN| dAdAzrI khaTapaTiyA viitraag| niHsvArtha khaTapaTa / rAta-dina yahI khaTapaTa calatI rahatI thI ki logoM ko mokSa meM kaise le jAU~? isIlie unheM khaTapaTiyA vItarAga khaa| tIrthakaroM meM kiMcitmAtra bhI khaTapaTa nahIM hotii| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'mujhe jagat kI koI cIz2a nahIM caahie| lakSmI, viSaya, mAna yA kIrti kucha bhI nahIM caahie| sirpha yahI eka bhAva rahatA hai ki jagat kA kalyANa honA hI cAhie aura vaha hogA hii| yahI hamArA bhekha hai (kisI dhyeya ke lie apanA sarvasva nyauchAvara kara denaa)| saMpUrNa vItarAgatA, vahI zuddha prema hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hama prema svarUpa ho cuke haiM, jaisA jagat ne kabhI bhI na dekhA ho vaisA prema utpanna huA hai'| vItarAgatA meM cAra DigrI kama haiM, caudasa rahI isalie yaha prema logoM ko dikhAI detA hai| pUnama vAle vItarAga kA prema pUrNa hotA hai lekina vaha dikhAI nahIM detA lekina vAstavika prema to unhIM ke prema ko kahA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hameM pUnama nahIM huI haiM lekina aMdara khuda ke lie itanI adhika zakti kAma kara rahI hotI hai ki aisA lagatA hai jaise pUnama ho cukI ho! [3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala jo vItarAga haiM unameM zabda yA vANI nahIM rhtii| jar3a aura cetana donoM saMpUrNa rUpa se alaga ho hI cuke hote haiN| bhUla karane vAlA pudgala aura bhUla ko pakar3ane vAlA bhI pudgala aura AtmA to use 'jAnane vaalaa'| hameM bhUla pakar3ane vAle kyoM bananA hai ? bhUla ko jAnane vAle bno| 34

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hameM phAila naMbara vana ko bAra-bAra kacarA dikhAte rahanA hai| dikhAne vAle hama aura sApha karane vAle ve| isameM prajJA ahaMkAra ko dikhAtI hai aura use zuddha karanA hai| ahaMkAra arthAt jahA~ pudgala aura AtmA, donoM sAtha meM haiN| pudgala kartAbhAva se usameM jur3a gayA aura AtmA jJAtA bhAva se, khuda jJAtApana meM A jAegA to mukta ho jAegA aura pudgala kA kartApana gayA to vaha mukta ho jaaegaa| jo ulTA bhAva karatA hai vaha pudgala hai, jo sulTA bhAva karatA hai vaha bhI pudgala hai aura use jAnane vAlA zuddhAtmA hai ! parAkrama kauna karatA hai? vaha bhI pudgala karatA hai| pichale janma meM ajJAnatA se jise puruSArtha mAnate the, vaha Aja parAkrama ke rUpa meM AyA hai| atikramaNa bhI pudgala karatA hai aura pratikramaNa bhI pudgala karatA hai| AtmA usakA jJAtA-dRSTA hai| ___mailA karane vAlA bhI pudgala aura sApha karane vAlA bhI pudgala hI hai aura jo mAnatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA', vaha ahaMkAra hai aura 'maiMne isameM kucha bhI nahIM kiyA' use zuddhAtmA kahate haiN| jitanA jJAna sunA, usa para zraddhA baiThatI hai lekina vaha turaMta thor3e hI AcaraNa meM A jAtA hai? vaha niraMtara dhyAna meM nahIM rhtaa| vartana ho to niraMtara dhyAna rahatA hai| dhIre-dhIre bar3hatA hai| sApha karane jAtA hai aura usa rUpa ho jAtA hai| yadi ThapakA sAmAyika meM judA nahIM raha pAe to khuda ThapakA (ulAhanA, DapaTanA) dene vAlA bana jAtA hai isalie vaha khUba Diprezana meM A jAtA hai| jo darzana meM AtA hai, vaha jaise-jaise anubhava meM AtA jAegA vaise-vaise vartana meM aaegaa| pudgala kyA kahatA hai ? 'hama to zuddha hI the, Apane hameM mailA kiyaa| aba Apa to zuddha hokara baiTha gae, aba hamArA kyA? Apane hameM mailA kiyA, aba Apa hI hameM sApha kro|' hamane bhAva karake use bigAr3A 35

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aba sApha kisa taraha se karanA hai ? bhAva bigAr3akara unheM bigAr3A aba samabhAva se nikAla karake sApha karo yA phira pratikramaNa karake dho do to Apa mukta aura ve bhI mukt| hameM apanA jJAyaka svabhAva nahIM chor3anA hai| jo bhI vicAra Ae~ unheM dekhanA hai to ve sApha hokara cale jaaeNge| ajJAna mAnyatA kyA kahatI hai ki merA AtmA pApI hai| aisA nahIM mAnatA ki pudgala azuddha hai| dAdA hara roz2a nae-nae jJAnaratna dete hI jAte haiN| dAdA kahate haiM, 'hamArI icchA aisI hai ki kisI ne hamAre lie kucha bhI kiyA ho, hameM kisI ne cAya bhI pilAI ho to use lAbha ho'| karuNA kI aisI carama sImA! [4] jJAna-ajJAna jJAna-ajJAna ke bIca kyA bheda hai? ajJAna bhI eka prakAra kA jJAna hai, prakAza hI hai lekina vaha prakAza parAI cIz2oM ko, vinAzI cIz2oM ko dikhAtA hai| jabaki jJAna khuda ko va auroM ko bhI prakAzita karane vAlI cIz2a hai| ajJAna, yaha nahIM jAnane detA ki 'maiM kauna huuN| yaha jo prAkRta jJAna, paudgalika jJAna hai, vaha ajJAna hai| phira bhI vaha eka prakAra kA jJAna hai lekina AtmA ke jJAna kI tulanA meM use ajJAna kahA gayA hai| saMsAra calAne ke lie buddhi kI z2arUrata hai, use ajJAna kahA hai| AtmA khuda hI jJAna svarUpa hai| jJAna kabhI bhI ajJAna nahIM ho jaataa| AvaraNa Ane para usameM se vizeSa jJAna utpanna hotA hai lekina vaha bhI jJAna hI hai| aMdhere kI cAhe kitanI bhI slAisa (bhAga) kI jAe~ to usameM se aMdherA hI nikalatA hai, kyA ujAlA nikala sakatA hai? jJAna hamezA sukha hI detA hai, ajJAna duHkha detA hai| AtmA kA jJAna prakAza aisA hai ki (usameM) kabhI bhI aMdherA nahIM ho sakatA, usakI kabhI parachAI bhI nahIM pdd'tii| 36

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jJAna kA svabhAva sadA sabhI se nirlepa hI rahA hai| kriyA meM bhI jJAna ekAkAra nahIM hotaa| jJAna lene vAlA kauna hai ? jo bhaTaka gayA hai, vh| jo bhogatA hai, vh| khuda paramAtmA hI haiM lekina kahatA kyA hai, 'maiM du:khI huuN| bahuta ciMtA hotI hai| mujhe kaSAya ho jAte haiN'| yaha to sirpha bhUta ghusa gayA hai| jaise rAta ko kucha khar3akhar3AyA to vahama ho jAtA hai ki bhUta hai| pUrI rAta ghabarAtA rahatA hai, subaha uThakara dekheM to vahA~ cUhA hotA hai! vaisA hI huA hai yaha saba! sahI rAhabara, jJAnI mila jAe~ to isa bhUta ko nikAla dete haiM aura nirbhaya aura vItarAga banA dete haiM! 'khuda' khuda ke ajJAna dvArA baMdhatA hai aura 'khuda' khuda ke jJAna dvArA mukta hotA hai| AtmA to jJAna vAlA hai hii| jJAna milane para jJAnI kauna banatA hai? baMdhana meM AyA huA vaha, jo 'maiM aura merA' kahatA hai| jJAnI jJAna dete haiM taba azuddha cetana yAnI ki pAvara cetana zuddha ho jAtA hai| yaha pAvara kise rahatA hai ? ahaMkAra ko| AtmA ke kevalajJAna svarUpa hone ke bAvajUda bhI galatI kahA~ para ho gaI? galatI kI hI nahIM hai| yaha to vijJAna se ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA aura vijJAna se hI jaaegaa| ahaMkAra ko vilaya kaise kiyA jA sakatA hai? akrama jJAna se do hI ghaMToM meM yahA~ para vilaya ho jAtA hai! kaI logoM ke ahaMkAra vilaya ho gae! ajJAna kA preraNA bala kauna hai ? sNyog| jJAna kA preraNA bala kauna hai ? sNyog| onlI sAinTiphaka sarakamasTenziyala eviddens| jagat kisameM se utpanna huA hai? ajJAna meM se| arthAt vibhAvika AtmA pratiSThita AtmA meM se utpanna huA hai phira usI meM laya ho jAtA hai aura vApasa usI meM se utpanna hotA hai| isa taraha calatA rahatA hai... isase mUla AtmA ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| sirpha AtmA kI vibhAvika dRSTi utpanna ho gaI hai isalie bilIpha badala gaI hai| jJAna yA cAritra kucha 37

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bhI nahIM badalA hai| 'maiM 'pana badala gayA hai, vaha mUla jagaha para baiTha jAe to phira ho cukaa| jJAna yA ajJAna kA Adi kyA hai ? vijnyaan| brahmAMDa meM chaH sanAtana vastue~ haiN| unake ikaTThe hone se vyatireka guNa utpanna ho ge| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ye vyatireka guNa kahalAte haiN| krodha aura mAna se 'maiM' aura mAyA aura lobha se 'merA' bnaa| aba AtmA aura pudgala tattvoM ko alaga karane para sabakucha khatma ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI jJAna dete haiM, vaha kise? AtmA ko yA ajJAnI ko? ajJAnI ko| AtmA ko z2arUra judA dekhate haiN| jJAna sahaja hotA hai, socA-samajhA huA nahIM hotaa| socA-samajhA huA to ajJAna kahalAtA hai| jJAna ko jAna le to ajJAna ko jAna sakatA hai| jo gehU~ ko jAna le vaha kaMkar3a ko jAna sakatA hai| yAnI ki ajJAna ko jAnanA bhI z2arUrI hai| baMdhana ko saMpUrNa rUpa se samajha le, tabhI mukti kI ArAdhanA ho sakatI hai yAnI jIva donoM meM se kisI kA bhI phAyadA nahIM uThA sakA (saMsAra meM bhI phAyadA nahIM uThA sakA aura mokSa kA bhI phAyadA nahIM milaa)| jagat meM lAne vAlA kAraNa ajJAna hai aura jagat se chur3avAne vAlA kAraNa jJAna ! 'maiM kauna hU~' kA jJAna huA ki mukta huA ! mAyA vastu rUpI nahIM hai| mAyA arthAt sva-svarUpa kI ajnyaantaa| selpha ignorns| svarUpa kA ajJAna gayA, 'maiM kauna hU~' jAnA to mAyA gaI! ina sabhI kA rUTa kaoNz2a ajJAnatA haiN| mAyA darzanIya nahIM hai, bhAsyamAna hai| ajJAna kyA hai aura kahA~ se AtA hai? janma huA tabhI se pahacAnane ke lie 'caMdUbhAI' nAma diyA gayA lekina 'hamane' mAna liyA ki 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI huuN'| vaha jo roMga bilIpha hai, vahI ajJAna hai| usake bAda roMga bilIpha kI paraMparAeM zurU ho gaI! roMga bilIpha arthAt mithyAtva aura rAiTa bilIpha arthAt smyktv| 38

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kahA huA jJAna nahIM cltaa| jo jAnA huA-anubhava kiyA huA jJAna ho vahI saccA jJAna kahalAtA hai, aura vahI mokSa meM le jAtA hai, anya nhiiN| _ 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, mujhe nahIM pahacAnA?' isa taraha ajJAna ko AdhAra diyaa| usI se khar3A hai yaha jagat / jJAna milane ke bAda 'maiM' 'maiM' meM A gayA isalie ajJAna ho gayA nirAdhAra / bhrAMti aura ajJAna meM kyA pharka hai? ajJAna meM se jisakA janma hotA hai, vaha bhrAMti hai| ajJAna meM se kAphI kucha hotA hai, usameM eka aMkura bhrAMti kA bhI phUTatA hai| jise akrama jJAna milA ho, use bhrAMti nahIM rhtii| koI acchA seTha ho lekina yadi usane itanI sI brAMDI pI lI to? bhrAMti ho jAtI hai na? ataH jJAna milane para ajJAna kA kucha bhAga kama ho gyaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hI hU~' vaha pratIti baitthii| samyak darzana ho gyaa| aba samyak jJAna hone lagA hai| mAne hue jJAna aura jAne hue jJAna meM kyA pharka hai? jAnA huA jJAna arthAt anubhava kiyA huaa| zakkara mu~ha meM rakhI arthAt jAna liyA aura agara sunakara mAna liyA ki zakkara mIThI hai, mIThI hai to vaha nahIM clegaa| samajha to Akara jA bhI sakatI hai lekina jJAna nahIM jaataa| mUlataH ajJAna hai aura usake bAda moh| AtmajJAna hone ke bAda moha ke aMza kama ho jAte haiN| AtmajJAna ke aMza nahIM hote haiN| jJAna kA aMta hai lekina ajJAna kA nhiiN| ahaMkAra kise AyA? ajJAna ko| pUre jagat ke tamAma sabjekTsa ko jAna le, taba bhI vaha buddhi kahalAegI aura sirpha itanA hI jAna le, 'maiM kauna hU~' to vaha jJAna khlaaegaa| kriyA vAlA sArA jJAna, ajJAna kahalAtA hai aura kriyA bhI ajJAna kahalAtI hai| ahaMkAra hogA tabhI kriyA ho sakatI hai, nahIM to nahIM ho sakatI, aura cetana jJAna svayaM kriyAkArI hotA hai| 39

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dAdAzrI ko 1958 meM sUrata sTezana para jJAna huA, usase pahale unakI sthiti kaisI thI? ahNkaarii| baMdhana dazA ko dekhA thA aura phira mukta dazA kA anubhava kiyA! jJAna kisa taraha se huA? sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviddens| jJAna ke samaya kaisI sthiti thI? aMdara AvaraNa haTa jAe~ aura sUjha par3ane lage taba ulajhana meM se bAhara nikalane para kaisA phIla hotA hai ? usI prakAra ajJAna ke AvaraNa TUTate hI 'jagat kyA hai? kauna calAtA hai ? kisa taraha calatA hai ? maiM kauna hU~? yaha kauna hai?' vaha sArA jJAna nirAvRta ho gayA! AtmA svAdhIna hai yA parAdhIna? ajJAna ke AdhAra para parAdhIna aura jJAna ke AdhAra para svAdhIna hai| sva puruSArtha svataMtra hai aura bhrAMti kA puruSArtha saMyogoM ke adhIna hai! ajJAna dazA meM vAstavika puruSArtha ho hI nahIM sakatA, vaha to puNya ke bala para calatA hai| sinemA meM jAnA ho to jaldI se jA pAte haiM aura satsaMga meM nahIM, to usakA kyA kAraNa hai? sinemA meM mana sAtha (sahayoga) detA hai| usase vaha adhogati meM jAtA hai| dhyeyapUrvaka jAne meM mehanata hai| slipa to AsAnI se huA jA sakatA hai| yadi saMyogoM ke adhIna satsaMga meM nahIM AyA jA sake to saMyoga kisake adhIna haiM ? karma ke adhIna? karma kisake adhIna haiM ? usakA svarUpa samajhAte hue dAdAzrI eka adbhuta khulAsA karate haiM ki vAstava meM hama kyA haiM ? jitanA apanA jJAna hai yA jitanA apanA ajJAna hai, vahI hama haiM aura usa anusAra saMyoga milate haiM aura usI anusAra karma baMdhate haiN| bar3e vyakti meM ucca prakAra kA jJAna hone kI vajaha se ucca prakAra ke karma baMdhate haiM / halke vyakti meM nimna prakAra kA hone kI vajaha se vaha nimna prakAra ke karma bA~dhatA hai| ataH khuda ahaMkAra yA nAma nahIM hai lekina vaha khuda' hai| 'vaha khuda' arthAt kyA? jJAna aura ajJAna vahI vaha khuda, vahI usakA upAdAna! lekina kyoMki yaha sUkSma bAta samajha meM nahIM A sakatI ataH yahA~ para hama usake 40

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pratinidhi ahaMkAra ko svIkAra karate haiN| yaha bahuta gaharI bAta hai| upAdAna hI ahaMkAra hai| vaha 'khuda' hii| lekina yoM vAstava meM aMhakAra alaga hai lekina 'vaha' isa jJAna-ajJAna ke AdhAra para hI karatA hai| jahA~ para jJAna aura ajJAna donoM hI haiM vahA~ para ahaMkAra hai hii| jJAna milane ke bAda puruSa bhAga kauna sA hai ? jJAna hI paramAtmA hai, jJAna hI puruss| jJAna-ajJAna kA mizraNa, vaha prakRti hai| jJAna arthAt prakAza, samajha nhiiN| jJAna kA prakAza dikhAne para hI sAmane vAle ko samajha meM AtA hai| kisI ke dikhAne para hI jJAna samajha meM AtA hai aura phira vartana meM AtA hai| samajha meM nahIM ho to bhale kitanA bhI jJAna prakAza diyA jAe phira bhI vartana meM nahIM aaegaa| ataH samajha aura jJAna do alaga cIjeM haiN| jJAna pariNAma sUrya kI kiraNoM jaisA hai| jJAna jJeya ko jJeyAkAra dikhAtA hai| mana ajJAna pariNAma kI gA~Tha hai| kyA jJAna kI gA~The par3atI haiM ? nahIM, kabhI bhI nhiiN| jJAna ke aMdara pudgala mizrita ho jAe tabhI gA~Tha par3atI hai| ataH ajJAna pariNAma pudgala sahita hI hotA hai| ajJAna meM spaMdana hote haiM, jJAna meM nhiiN| jJAna prApti kA sAdhana kyA hai? pratyakSa jJAnI hI eka mAtra sAdhana haiM aura jo-jo svayaMbuddha hue haiM, unheM bhI pichale janma meM sadguru mile the| kyA dAdAzrI ke jJAna aura tIrthakaroM ke jJAna meM pharka hai? nahIM, prakAza eka hI prakAra kA hai| usameM pharka nahIM hotaa| hA~, dezakAla ke adhIna bhASA meM pharka ho sakatA hai| ___ zuddha jJAna hI paramAtmA hai| zubha jJAna, vaha zubha AtmA hai| azubha jJAna, vaha azubha AtmA hai| AdivAsI manoraMjana ke lie jAnavaroM ko kATa letA hai, khAne ke lie nhiiN| vaha azuddha jJAna hai| dUsare loga bakare kATate haiM lekina unheM 41

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khA jAte haiN| vaha azubha jJAna kahalAtA hai kyoMki usakA hetu khAne kA hai ataH azuddha jJAna nahIM kahalAtA / usase bhI Age hai zubha jJAna aura zubha smjh| kisI ko mAranA mata / kisI ko duHkha mata denA / koI mujhe duHkha de to bhI maiM use duHkha nahIM dU~gA / apane sabhI dharma zubhAzubha meM haiN| jJAna aura samajha zubhAzubha kI hai| zubha jJAna aura zubha samajha, vaha supara hyumana banAtI hai| yahA~ se devaloka (svarga) meM jAtA hai aura zuddha jJAna vAlA kaisA hotA hai ? koI jeba kATa rahA ho to bhI use vaha doSita nahIM dikhAI detaa| jise jagat nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai, vaha vItarAga hI kahalAtA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| rileTiva jJAna aura riyala jJAna donoM eka sarIkhe calate haiM, pairelala calate haiM, 99.99 taka donoM eka sarIkhe calate haiM, taba taka rileTiva phoTo rUpI hai aura riyala ekz2ekTa rUpa se hai / usa carama jJAna kA phoTo nahIM liyA jA sktaa| lekina kyoMki rileTiva jJAna hai isIlie vaha kriyAkArI nahIM hotA aura riyala jJAna svayaM kriyAkArI hotA hai ! AtmA to pUrNa jJAnI hI hai, aba jaba aMta meM pudgala kA jJAna pUrNa ho jAegA taba mokSa mila jaaegaa| pudgala ko bhI bhagavAna banAnA hai / jJAnI ke pAsa baiTha-baiThakara, unheM dekha-dekhakara bhagavAna rUpI huA jA sakatA hai| jJAna ke do prakAra haiN| eka hai 'ajJAna jnyaan'| jo 'jJAna' ajJAna svarUpa se hai, vaha jIvaMta nahIM hai / kAryakArI nahIM hai / usa jJAna ko jitanA jAnate haiM, hameM utanA hI khuda karanA par3atA hai jabaki cetana jJAna svayaM kriyAkArI hotA hai| udAharaNa ke taura para kisI saMta ne aisA kahA hai ki corI mata karo, lekina usake lie khUba sTragala karanA par3atA hai, baMda karanI par3e to bhI dUsarI tarapha corI calatI hI rahatI hai aura jJAna kI samajha to svayaM baMda karavA detI hai / vijJAna aMdara cetAvanI detA rahatA hai / baMdhane hI nahIM detA / | pustaka kA jJAna sthUla jJAna kahalAtA hai| utanA maz2abUta kara le to bhI Age jAkara jJAna kA adhikArI ho jAegA / AtmajJAna hone taka jJAna kahalAtA hai aura usase Age use vijJAna 42

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kahA jAtA hai| vijJAna ebsalyUTa kahalAtA hai| jJAna meM karanA par3atA hai aura vijJAna svayaM kriyAkArI hotA hai ! bhagavAna vijJAna svarUpa haiN| jaba taka jJAna, vijJAna nahIM ho jAtA taba taka use kharA (asala) AtmA kaha hI nahIM skte| jJAna, vahI AtmA hai, lekina kauna sA jJAna? vijJAna jJAna ! jo phala de vaha vijJAna hai, varnA zuSka jJAna hai| bheda jJAna hI sarvasva jJAna hai vahI kevalajJAna kA dvAra hai| isa kAla ke prabhAva kI vajaha se dAdAzrI pUrNa jJAnI hone ke bAvajUda bhI niraMtara kevalajJAna svarUpa meM nahIM raha pAte the! phira bhI khuda kabhI, Dige nahIM, thake nahIM, hAre nahIM, vaise vItarAga haiM ye| kaise g2az2aba ke vItarAga! jo ajJAna ko ghusane hI na de use jJAna kahate haiM! ajJAna khar3A hone lage usase pahale hI jo hAz2ira ho jAe, vahI asala meM jJAna hai| vahI prjnyaa| jJAna milate hI rUTa kaoNz2a gayA aba jo dUsarI DAliyA~ aura patte raha gae haiM, ve jhar3a jaaeNge| jaba mAna khar3A hone lage taba phAila naMbara vana se kaha denA ki bahuta rauba mAra rahe ho? maz2e haiM aapke| aise bAta karanA, yA phira use judA 'dekhnaa| ajJAna se parigraha utpanna hote haiM, parigraha se ulajhana hotI hai aura jJAna se ulajhana sulajha jAtI hai| ataH parigraha chUTate jAte haiN| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hameM koI phUla-mAlA car3hAe, usa samaya ceharA ha~satA hai, use bhI hama judA 'dekhate haiN| abhivyakti ajJAnI jaisI hI hotI haiM lekina use bhI hama judA dekhate haiN| ye lAgaNiyA~ (lagAva, bhAvukatA vAlA prema) pUrva kAla ke jJAna kA asara hai, use Aja kA jJAna dekhatA hai! jaba se 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kI pratIti baiThI tabhI se krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha naSTa ho ge| jaba udaya kA jJAna aura Aja kA jJAna donoM 43

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eka ho jAte haiM taba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kahalAte haiM aura donoM judA raheM to nahIM khlaate| bAhara krodha ho rahA ho lekina aMdara aisA lagatA hai ki 'yaha galata hai, aisA nahIM honA cAhie' to Aja kA abhiprAya usase alaga rahA isalie phira hiMsakabhAva nahIM rhtaa| ataH use krodha nahIM khte| jaba se AtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai tabhI se prajJA zurU ho jAtI mahAtmAoM ko jo jJAna milA hai, vaha agale janma kA parAkrama banegA! dAdAzrI kA jo parAkrama haiM vaha gatajJAna parAkrama hai| parAkrama kaba kahalAtA hai ki jaba vANI pAtAla meM se nikale taba! ve jo kucha kahate haiM usI se zAstra race jAte haiM! [5.1] jJAna-darzana 'samyak darzana, jJAna, cAritryANi mokssmaarg|' ratnatraya se mokss| paramArtha jJAna arthAt AtmA kA jnyaan| vaha jJAna use zrutajJAna se, par3hane se yA sunane se huA hotA hai lekina usake prApta hone ke bAda use AtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai, AtmA darzana meM AtA hai| usake bAda cAritra meM AtA hai aura mokSa ho jAtA hai| samyak darzana arthAt bhrAMtika darzana kA abhAva! dRSTi palaTe to darzana va vinAzI cIz2oM meM se zraddhA uThakara aura sanAtana vastu para aTUTa zraddhA baiThanA, use kahate haiM samyak darzana / darzana aura jJAna hone ke bAda cAritra meM AtA hai| rAga-dveSa rahita cAritra, use kahate haiM samyak cAritra / ajJAna aura adarzana kA phala kyA hai ? kaSAya aura jJAna va darzana kA phala kyA hai ? niraMtara 'smaadhi'| jise samyak darzana ho jAtA hai, use samakitI kahA jAtA hai| isameM usakI dRSTi badalI hai| samyak darzana huA hai lekina samyak jJAna nahIM huA hai| samakita hone ke bAda meM jo anubhava hote haiM, vaha sArA jJAna hai| usake bAda vaha cAritra meM AtA hai| kyA zraddhA AtmA kA guNa hai ? nhiiN| zraddhA, vaha mana aura buddhi 44

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kA guNa hai| AtmA kA guNa to darzana hai| zraddhA, azraddhA meM badala sakatI hai jabaki AtmA kA darzana kabhI bhI nahIM bdltaa| pratIti arthAt darzana, jabaki lakSa, vaha jAgRti hai aura jo pratIti huI hai, usakA anubhava meM AnA, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| AtmA ke anubhava aura jJAna meM kyA pharka hai? anubhava eka-eka aMza karake bar3hatA jAtA hai aura jJAna sarvAMza hotA hai| dAdAzrI jaba jJAna dete haiM taba saMpUrNa darzana ho jAtA hai lekina jJAna eka-eka aMza karake hotA jAtA hai| 'jJAna' dete haiM taba jAgRti utpanna hotI hai, aura usa jAgRti ke AdhAra para hI saba anubhava hote haiN| ataH zuruAta meM darzanAtmA banatA hai usake bAda jJAnAtmA banatA hai| jJAna vAle ko khuda ke bahuta doSa dikhAI dene zurU ho jAte haiM aura vaha unase mukta hotA jAtA hai| darzana kisakA kahA jAegA? buddhi kA yA prajJA kA? darzana to, prajJA ko bhI dikhAe, aisI cIz2a hai| darzana arthAt yaha pratIti ki hama AtmA hI haiN| pratIti kise baiThatI hai? ahaMkAra ko| pratIti prajJA karavAtI hai ? nahIM! dAdAzrI AtmA kA jo 'jJAna' dete haiM vaha aura dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA, ye karavAte haiN| jJAna milate hI bhagavAna kI kRpA se jJAna phiTa ho jAtA hai| roMga bilIpha khatma ho jAtI hai aura rAiTa bilIpha baiThatI hai| rAiTa bilIpha, rAiTa jJAna aura rAiTa cAritra, ina tInoM kA samAveza sat meM hotA hai| darzana kA artha kyA hai ki 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' aisI zraddhA baiTha gaI lekina nizcaya se bhagavAna hU~, vyavahAra se to vakIla hU~ yA DaoNkTara huuN| khuda ko jAne, vaha khudA lekina vaha zraddhA se huA hai, jJAna se nhiiN| khudA to dAdA haiM! akrama meM jJAnavidhi meM pahale to anaMta kAla ke pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiM, usake bAda AtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai| phira AtmA kA kuchakucha anubhava hotA hai, usakI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| 45

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akrama meM darzana, jJAna aura cAritra haiN| darzana pUrA hI mila jAtA hai usake bAda anubhava hote-hote jJAna meM AtA hai taba phira bAda meM cAritra meM AtA hai| dAdAzrI jJAna, darzana aura cAritra ko saMkSipta meM samajhAte hue kahate haiM ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura 'caMdU phAila hai', aisI pratIti baiTha jAe to use samyak darzana kahA hai| usake bAda phAila meM kyA-kyA hai aura yaha dUsare meM kyA-kyA hai, yaha saba jAne, vaha jJAna hai aura jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vaha cAritra hai| mahAtmAoM ke pAsa darzana to pUrNa hai| pUrI dRSTi hI badala gaI hai| aba Atma sammukha ke anubhava hone caahie| mahAtmAoM ko kisa AdhAra para anubhava hotA hai ? 'jeba kaTa jAe taba kATane vAlA nirdoSa hai, huA vaha saba vyavasthita hai|' anubhava ke binA aisA nahIM raha sktaa| pahale anubhava ho cukA ho to dUsarI bAra jJAna hAz2ira rahatA hai| varnA bahuta bhogavaTA (sukha yA duHkha kA asara, bhugatanA) AtA hai| jitanA anubhava huA utanA hI cAritra kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| akrama meM darzana-jJAna-cAritra aura kramika meM jJAna-darzana-jJAnacAritra hotA hai| kramika meM jo prathama jJAna hotA hai, vaha zabda jJAna, zAstra jJAna se yA sunane se hotA hai| zabda jJAna para se dhIre-dhIre AtmA kI zraddhA baiThatI hai, kramika meM darzana hone meM bahuta dera lagatI hai| darzana hone ke bAda nizcaya se jJAna prApta hotA hai| usake bAda vaha nizcayacAritra meM AtA hai| yaha kramika kA tarIkA hai, jJAna do bAra AtA hai| pahale vyavahAra kA, phira nizcaya kaa| ataH kramika meM rileTiva meM se riyala meM jAte haiM aura akrama meM sIdhe hI riyala mila jAtA hai, jJAnavidhi se! jahA~ para kucha bhI karanA par3atA hai, vaha saba rileTiva hai| tyAga, tapa, japa, dhyAna, sbkuch| rileTiva ke bAda usameM se aMta meM jAkara riyala meM A pAte haiN| 46

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akrama meM jJAna svayaM hI kriyAkArI hotA hai| ataH akrama meM kucha karanA nahIM pdd'taa| mAtra jJAna ko hI samajhanA hai| guhya, guhyatara aura guhyatama jJAna kyA hai ? jo AtmA kI sau pratizata pratIti biThAe, vaha guhya jJAna hai| vaha darzana ke rUpa meM hai| guhyatara jJAna vaha anubhava jJAna ke rUpa meM hai, jisakA darzana huA usakA anubhava hotA hai aura guhyatama jJAna arthAt jo saMpUrNa cAritra meM A jAe, vh| ata: niraMtara sva meM hI rahatA hai, para meM praviSTa hI nahIM hotaa| akrama meM guhya jJAna milatA hai jo svayaM kriyAkArI hai| jisa dina se guhya jJAna milatA hai, usI dina se prajJA prakaTa ho jAtI hai aura rAta-dina aMdara se sAvadhAna karatI rahatI hai| akrama vijJAna to g2az2aba kA vijJAna hai| usakI thAha pAnA mahAtmAoM ke lie bahuta kaThina hai| yaha to, jaise-jaise dAdAjI spaSTa rUpa se samajhAte jAte haiM vaise-vaise mahAtmAoM ko TelI (mela khAnA) hotA jAtA hai ki isakA to hameM anubhava ho rahA hai, yaha to hameM baratatA hai, vaise-vaise usakI kImata samajha meM AtI hai| bAkI bAlamaMdira ke logoM ko dAdAzrI do hI ghaMToM meM sIdhA jJAnamaMdira meM biThA dete haiN| isIlie to itanA rauba hai mahAtmAoM kA adhyAtma meM! [5.2 ] cAritra cAritra do prakAra ke haiN| eka vyavahAra cAritra aura dUsarA nizcaya caaritr| vyavahAra cAritra arthAt jisakA pAlana karate haiM aura jo bAhara se dikhAI detA hai| tIrthaMkaroM kI AjJA meM rahakara vyavahAra zuddha aura ucca kara diyA hotA hai| saMpUrNa rUpa se tIrthaMkaroM kI AjJA meM rahanA, vaha vyavahAra cAritra kahalAtA hai, usameM AtmA kA jJAna nahIM hai| jabaki nizcaya cAritra AtmA kA cAritra hai, vaha jJAna hone ke bAda hotA hai| nizcaya cAritra arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI, basa! kaSAya rahita vyvhaar| nizcaya cAritra meM koI mehanata nahIM karanI hotii| vyavahAra cAritra meM khUba mehanata karanI par3atI hai| lAkha jJAniyoM kI eka hI AvAz2a hotI haiM aura tIna ajJAniyoM ke bIca sau matabheda ho jAte haiN| jo nizcaya cAritra meM AyA, vaha to bana gayA bhagavAna ! 47

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samyak cAritra meM vyavahAra kaSAya rahita hotA hai aura daraasala cAritra meM jJAtA-dRSTA, paramAnaMdI rahate haiN| vyavahAra cAritra meM pA~coM viSayoM meM vRtti nahIM rahatI, brahmacarya rahatA hai| yaha tyAgiyoM meM milatA hai| dUsarA, vyavahAra meM ImAnadArI, naitikatA, nyAya kI tarapha jhukAva rahatA hai| vivAhita ho to eka patnIvrata hI rahatA hai aura Age jAkara to viSaya baMda hI ho jAtA hai| lakSmI kA vyavahAra bhI nahIM rhtaa| pA~ca mahAvrata vyavahAra cAritra meM le Ate haiN| dAdAzrI kA lakSmI va viSaya kA vyavahAra sau pratizata zuddha thaa| paise ke sAmane kabhI bhI nahIM dekhate the, dUsare loga hI saMbhAlate the| khAtepIte, uThate-baiThate, jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vaha aMtima prakAra kA cAritra, aura vaha prApta karavAtA hai nirvANa pada! aura eka vAkya meM dAdAzrI cAritra kI paribhASA dete haiM ki 'homa DipArTamenTa meM rahanA, vaha cAritra hai| kabhI phaoNrena meM Ae hI nahIM, vaha kharA caaritr'| kramika meM vyavahAra cAritra ho, tabhI nizcaya cAritra prApta hotA hai| akrama vijJAna meM aisI kisI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| kisI ko dhaula lagAI to vaha mithyA cAritra kahalAtA hai| mArane kI zraddhA, vaha mithyAdarzana aura mArane kA bhAva huA, vaha mithyA jnyaan| mithyA jJAna mithyAdarzana meM, maiM caMdUbhAI, inakA sasura, inakA bApa aisA nizcaya se baratatA hai ataH vaha mithyA cAritra meM AtA hai| pahale samyak darzana hotA hai ataH Age jAkara apane Apa samyak jJAna aura samyak cAritra meM A jAtA hai| ata: kImata samyak darzana kI hI hai| jJAna milane ke bAda hI mahAtmA riyala cAritra ke aMza dekhate haiN| bAkI saba jagaha vyavahAra cAritra hI hai| isa nizcaya cAritra ke bAre meM to jagat jAnatA hI nahIM ki yaha kyA hai ? nizcaya kA jJAna-darzana aura cAritra, rUpI nahIM haiM, arUpI haiN| loga rUpI cAritra DhU~Dhate haiM / bolo usakA mela kaise baiThe? loga to kapar3e badalane 48

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ko 'cAritra' kahate haiM aura aisA kahate haiM ki 'cAritra ke binA mokSa nahIM hai'| lekina kauna sA cAritra? vItarAgoM kA yA logoM kA mAnA huA? samyak darzana se cAritra meM nahIM A sakate, jJAna se A sakate haiN| pahale darzana se jJAna meM Ate haiM aura phira usameM se cAritra meM Ate haiN| jahA~ kaSAya nahIM hote, vaha cAritra ucca hai, lekina vAstava meM to jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vahI cAritra hai| phira buddhi imozanala nahIM karatI, jahA~ buddhi utpanna ho jAe vahA~ para imozanalapanA AtA hI hai| mahAtmA aura ajJAniyoM kI pratikriyA meM kyA pharka hai ? pUrI taraha se alaga hai| ajJAnI bhagavAna jaisI bAta karatA hai lekina usake ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna niraMtara calate hI rahate haiM! aura mahAtmAoM meM ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda hI ho jAte haiN| use 'saMsAra meM rahakara bhI mokSa' kahA gayA hai| jo jJAna aura ajJAna ko eka na hone de, use cAritra kahate haiM aura eka nahIM hone dene meM jo kaSTa hotA hai usa samaya jo tapa karanA par3atA hai vaha mokSa kA tapa kahalAtA hai| pudgala ke hara eka pariNAma ko, harSa ke yA zoka ke, unheM para pariNAma jAnA, to vaha samyak cAritra kahalAtA hai| darzana zuddhi yAnI darzana moha khatma ho jAtA hai| darzana moha khatma hone ke bAda bAhya saMyogoM meM tanmayAkAra ho jAnA, vaha cAritra moha hai aura jo jJAna usa cAritra mohanIya ko dekhatA hai, vaha samyak cAritra hai| akrama meM dAdAzrI ne mahAtmAoM ko samyaka darzana meM hI nahIM balki samyak cAritra meM biThA diyA hai| usake binA mithyAtva mohanIya rahatA hai| paramArtha samakita kA artha kyA hai? niraMtara aisA lakSya meM rahanA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| use cAritra kI bhUmikA meM AnA kahate haiN| jaise-jaise cAritra mohanIya kama hotA jAtA hai vaise-vaise zuddha cAritra bar3hatA jAtA hai| jaba taka cAritra mohanIya rahatA hai taba taka kevalacAritra prakaTa nahIM ho sktaa| 49

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saMyama aura cAritra meM kyA pharka hai ? saMyama pariNAma hI cAritra hai| vaha kSayopakSama meM hai, kSAyika nahIM hai| saMyama pariNAma baMda ho jAe~ to vaha kSAyaka cAritra hai! sarAga cAritra bahuta ucca cIz2a hai| vaha jJAniyoM meM hotA hai| saMpUrNa jJAnI ho jAne para vItarAga caaritr| unameM kiMcitmAtra bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM rhtaa| sau pratizata vItarAgatA hotI hai| AtmA kA jJAna-darzana-cAritra, isa prakAra se alaga-alaga vibhAga nahIM hote| yaha to vahA~ taka pahu~cate hue, rAstA pAra karate hue AtA hai to usameM pahale darzana, usake bAda jJAna aura phira cAritra! lekina hai mUla vahI kA vhii| khuda jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMda usakA cAritra, vaha pariNAma hai| mokSa meM jAte hue do prakAra ke jJAna, darzana, cAritra aura tapa haiN| eka vyavahAra meM, dUsarA nizcaya meN| vyavahAra jJAna, vyavahAra darzana, vyavahAra cAritra, vyavahAra tapa, ve saba bAhya haiN| azubha chor3akara zubha meM AnA, vaha zubha cAritra hai| usake bAda zuddha cAritra AtA hai| zubha cAritra meM mAnaapamAna nahIM rahatA, kIrti kI vAsanA nahIM rahatI, khule kaSAya nahIM hote| usameM AtmA kI pahacAna nahIM huI hotI aura yadi pahacAna ho jAe to vaha samyak cAritra hai jo ki mokSa kA hai| dehAdhyAsa khatma hone ke bAda samyak cAritra utpanna hotA hai, varnA laukika cAritra kahalAtA hai| mahAtmAoM ke cAritra kA lakSaNa kyA hai ? Atma dRSTi se dekhanA va jAnanA, vahI cAritra hai| usameM mana-buddhi se nahIM dekhanA hotaa| khuda ke mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra ko dekhatA rahe, vaha caaritr| jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMda meM rahanA, vaha AtmA kA cAritra hai| cAritra barata rahA ho to usake lakSaNa kyA hai ? viitraagtaa| khuda yadi jAnapane meM rahe to vaha samyak cAritra hai| khuda jJAtA-dRSTA rahA phira bhI jJeya meM jJeyAkAra ho gayA to usa samaya jJAna hai lekina cAritra nahIM hai| arthAt pUrI taraha se badalA nahIM hai| 50

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cAritra balavAna hone kI parakha kyA hai? kisI ke sAtha TakarAva meM na Ae, mana se bhI nahIM, eDajasTa evriivher| mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra, kisI bhI taraha se na ttkraae| dakhala na ho, mu~ha na car3he, kisI ko duHkha na ho| TakarAva ke bAda pratikramaNa kara le, to vaha cAritra kahalAegA? nahIM, vaha cAritra meM jAne kI nizAnI hai| zIlavAna to pUrNa cAritra vAlA hotA hai| kisI bhI saMyogoM meM aMdara se 'dekhanA-jAnanA' hI rahe taba vaha nizcaya kI hada meM A gyaa| koI mAmA kI beTI ko uThA le jAe to nATaka sabhI karatA hai bacAne kA lekina aMdara se nirlepa hI rahatA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hamArA cAritra bahuta ucca hai| samyak cAritra meM, jJAna-ajJAna eka na ho jAe~, usake lie puruSArtha hai| kevalacAritra to kevalajJAna ke bAda meM hI ho sakatA hai| sahaja hotA hai, kevalajJAnI ko kevalacAritra baratatA hai| dAdA kA cAritra saphala cAritra hai| AtmajJAnI kA cAritra dekhane ko mila jAe to bhI bahuta hai| dekhane se hI usa rUpa hote jAte haiN| phira bhI dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hamArA cAritra pichale janma kA pariNAma hai, yaha pUrNa nahIM hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ne kahA hai ki jJAna-darzana-cAritra indriya pratyakSa nahIM haiN| Aja astitva sau para hai lekina dikhAI dene vAlA cAritra aThAnave para hai| astitva isa janma kA hai aura jo dikhAI detA hai vaha cAritra pichale janma kA hai| prApti kA mArga eka hI hai vicAra zreNI alaga-alaga hotI hai aura vaha hara eka kI prakRti kI bhinnatA ke kAraNa hai, bAkI prakAza meM koI aMtara nahIM hotaa| kramika meM jJAna-darzana aura cAritra hote haiN| akrama meM darzana-jJAna aura cAritra hai| kevalajJAna prakAza to sabhI meM eka sarIkhA hI hai| akrama kA tarIkA mahA puNyazAliyoM ko prApta hotA hai| yaha tarIkA ekadama AsAna aura sarala hai| 51

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zukladhyAna utpanna hone para yathAkhyAta cAritra utpanna hotA hai| zukladhyAna arthAt kevala khuda ke Atma svarUpa kA hI dhyaan| yathAkhyAta cAritra ke pUrNa hone ke bAda kevalajJAna utpanna hotA hai| 'AtmA kyA hai', pUrNa rUpa se isakA lakSya baiTha jAnA, vaha yathAkhyAta cAritra hai| arthAt jaisA hai vaisA caaritr| vaha samyak cAritra se ucca hai aura vItarAga cAritra se z2arA sA hI kama hai| samyak cAritra arthAt giratA hai aura khar3A hotA hai, giratA hai aura khar3A hotA hai aura yadi giranA hI baMda ho jAe to vaha yathAkhyAta caaritr| kevalacAritra koI dekha nahIM sktaa| vaha indriyagamya nahIM hai, jJAnagamya hai| samyak cAritra ko dekhA jA sakatA hai| isa prakAra dAdAzrI mokSa ke cAritra kA yathArtha vivaraNa dete haiN| kapar3e badalane ko cAritra nahIM kahA gayA hai, mokSa kA cAritra sthUla nahIM, sUkSma hai| pahale samyak cAritra usake bAda yathAkhyAta cAritra aura aMta meM kevalacAritra, jo ki kevalajJAna sahita hai aura usake bAda to kucha hI samaya pazcAta mokSa meM calA jAtA hai! [6] nirAlaMba loga bhayaMkara duHkha bhogate haiM lekina kisa AdhAra para jI rahe haiM ? ina saba se to maiM bar3A hU~ na! isa AdhAra pr| koI ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para, to koI rUpa ke AdhAra para, to koI riztedAroM ke AdhAra para, to koI viSaya ke AdhAra para jI rahA hai ! deha bhojana se jIvita rahatA hai lekina yaha mana aise avalaMbanoM para jIvita hai| ye sabhI TemparerI avalaMbana haiN| sanAtana kA avalaMbana hI kharA avalaMbana hai| nirAlaMba! sirpha jJAnI hI nirAlaMba hote haiN| unheM kisI prakAra kA avalaMbana nahIM hai, mana kA AdhAra, paisoM kA AdhAra vagairaha ina saba kA avalaMbana nahIM hai| mana kA AdhAra, paisoM kA AdhAra vagairaha sabhI nAzavaMta AdhAra haiN| phaoNrenarsa ko AdhAra kI bahuta nahIM par3I hotii| DivaoNrsa ho jAe to duusrii| apane yahA~ to nirAdhAra ho jAte haiM ! mahAtmAoM ko zuddhAtmA kA AdhAra milA hai, isIlie mokSa kA 52

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vIz2A mila gayA! AjJA meM rahegA to sIdhA pahu~ca jaaegaa| isa paradeza meM roz2a kitane hullar3a hote haiN| usake bajAya nija ghara kI tarapha jaa| jahA~ behada aizvarya hai ! nirAlaMba dazA! vaha adbhuta darzana kyA hai jo gupta svarUpa se hai| aisI adbhutatA duniyA meM anya kahIM bhI nahIM milegI! zAstroM ne use lAkhoM bAra adbhuta kahA hai! __ zurU meM zabda svarUpa prApta hotA hai aura aMtima bAta hai nirAlaMba! jagat meM sirpha AtmA hI nirAlaMba hai, use kisI AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| svataMtra! zAstra bhI avalaMbana rUpI haiN| unheM bIca meM nahIM chor3A jA sakatA lekina jaba maMz2ila A jAe taba roDa ko chor3anA par3atA hai yA nahIM yA phira roDa ko ghara para lekara jAte haiM ? sIr3hiyoM ko sAtha meM lekara kyA Upara car3hA jA sakatA hai? bhale hI sIr3hiyA~ kitanI bhI pyArI hoM lekina Upara pahu~cane ke bAda unheM chor3anA hI par3atA hai na? / __ yogI bhI AlaMbana vAle hote haiN| AtmayogI nirAlaMbI hote haiN| AtmayogI ko to bhagavAna ke AlaMbana kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM haiM kyoMki ve khuda hI bhagavAna bana gae! kRSNa bhagavAna Atmayogezvara kahalAte haiN| yogiyoM meM mana-vacana-kAyA kA yoga rahatA hai| usase thor3I zAMti rahatI hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hameM AtmA kA saMpUrNa anubhava huA hai| hamane nirAlaMba AtmA dekhA hai aura hameM sabhI meM vaisA hI nirAlaMba AtmA dikhAI detA hai!' duniyA ke loga AlaMbana ke binA jI hI nahIM sakate aura bArabAra avalaMbana badalate hI rahate haiN| _ 'sat' nirAlaMba vastu hai, vahA~ para 'avalaMbana' lekara DhU~Dhane jAe~ to kaise mela par3egA? vaha to, jo nirAlaMba haiM aise jJAnI kA avalaMbana leMge, tabhI kAma ho skegaa| sirpha yahI eka AlaMbana aisA hai jo nirAlaMba banAtA hai! 53

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dAdAzrI nija dazA kA varNana karate hue kahate haiM ki "maiM samAdhi se bAhara nikalatA hI nahIM hU~' / maiM 'e. ema. paTela' nahIM hU~, unake jo mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra haiM, vaha maiM nahIM huuN| jo zuddhAtmA hai, vaha maiM nahIM huuN| 'zuddhAtmA' zabda svarUpa se maiM nahIM hU~, maiM to daraasala svarUpa se hU~, nirAlaMba svarUpa se hU~ / " dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki isake bAvajUda bhI pUrNa dazA meM merI cAra DigrI kama haiN| kyoM? merI eka icchA raha gaI / 'maiMne jo sukha pAyA, sabhI vaha paaeN|' nirAlaMba kI bAta zabdoM se nahIM samajhAI jA sktii| kaI varSoM taka jJAnI ke pAsa par3e raheM, taba jAkara kucha samajha meM phiTa hotA hai| jaba taka Atma sammukha nahIM huA taba taka sukha-duHkha haiM, avalaMbana haiM, paravazatA hai| jaba AtmA ke alAvA tamAma avalaMbana chUTa jAe~ge taba pUrNa hoMge ! mahAtmAoM ko jo zuddhAtmA pada prApta huA hai, vaha zabdAvalaMbana hai| jaise-jaise AjJA meM raheMge vaise dhIre-dhIre avalaMbana jAe~ge aura nirAlaMba ho paaeNge| hA~, sau pratizata mokSa kI muhara laga gaI ! dAdA kA jJAna milane ke bAda niraMtara sahaja rUpa se zuddhAtmA kA lakSa (jAgRti) rahe, saMsAra meM kaSAya nahIM hoM, ciMtA - Tenzana nahIM hoM phira bhI vaha mUla AtmA nahIM hai / jo zuddhAtmA mahAtmAoM ko prApta huA hai, usase mokSa ke pahale daravAz2e meM praviSTa hue / mokSa kI muhara laga gaI lekina mUla AtmA bahuta dUra hai| hA~, mahAtmA ekadama zorTa kaTa meM A gae haiN| aba mAtra pA~ca AjJAoM kA pAlana karake anubhava kara lenA hai| aba mAtra jJAnI ke pIche par3e rahanA hai| anubhava karate-karate zabda cale jAe~ge aura anubhava kA bhAga bcegaa| anubhava ikaTThA hote-hote jaisejaise mUla jagaha para AtA jAegA vaise-vaise khuda kA vaha rUpa pUrNa hotA jaaegaa| usake bAda anubhava aura anubhavI donoM eka ho jaaeNge| - jaba taka pichalA karz2a haiM taba taka vaha nirAlaMba AnaMda ke anubhava meM nahIM rahane detaa| hA~, dehAdhyAsa calA gayA isalie AtmAnubhava to ho hI gyaa| 54

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jaba taka dUsaroM se apekSAe~ haiM taba taka parAlaMbI haiM, saMsAra hai aura viSaya hai to vaha mUla svAda nahIM Ane degaa| eka bAra kA viSaya tIna dina taka bhrAMti meM DAla detA hai yAnI ki vaha sacce sukha ko vismRta karavA detA hai! AtmA kI khurAka kyA hai ? niraMtara jnyaataa-dRssttaa| usakA phala kyA hai? prmaanNd| __manuSya ko Akhira taka AdhAra kI z2arUrata hai| koI na ho to paise kA AdhAra to cAhie hii| dAdAzrI eka bhAgyazAlI ko samajhAte haiM ki hamArI taraha bAhya AdhAroM se chUTa jaao| sabhI paise aura ghara-bAra sauMpa do, phira hamArI taraha nirAlaMba ho jaaoge| jaba taka 'baiThaka' kI jagaha rakhI ho taba taka 'maiM', 'AtmA' aura 'baiThaka' isa prakAra se tInoM rahate haiN| 'maiM' samarpaNa ho gayA to 'maiM' aura 'AtmA' eka hii| isa duniyA meM sirpha jJAnI ko hI 'baiThaka' kA AdhAra nahIM hai| isIlie ve nirAlaMba kahe jAte haiN| maiM hI AtmA hU~ aura AtmA hI maiM huuN| usake bAda aura kucha rahA hI nhiiN| baiThaka ko haTA diyA, isalie! jaba taka baiThaka hai taba taka 'maiM' aura 'AtmA' eka nahIM ho skte| baiThaka ke lie gurakhA rakhanA par3atA hai| usake bAda aMta meM vaha bhI dagA hI nikalatA hai| baiThaka meM sirpha jJAnI ko hI rakhanA caahie| jo A~khoM se dikhAI dete haiM ve dAdA alaga haiM, ve 'e.ema.paTela' haiM, mUla dAdA bhagavAna bhItara haiM aura bIca kA jo bhAga hai, ve sUkSma dAdA haiM, jinakA hama nididhyAsana karate haiN| sthUla dAdA nahIM hoM to usase parezAnI hogI lekina sUkSma dAdA hamezA hI nididhyAsana ke rUpa meM raheMge usameM koI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| sthUla Tike yA na bhI ttike| sUkSma dAdA, nididhyAsana vAle, haz2AroM sAloM taka cleNge| usake bAda vANI kA nididhyAsana AtA hai aura aMta meM tIsarA, bhagavAna kA, vaha nirAlaMba sthiti hai| usakA anya kisI bhI prakAra se ciMtavana nahIM ho sktaa| mUla svarUpa dikhAI detA hai, hUbahU mUla svarUpa, jise kevalajJAna kahA gayA hai, vaha dikhatA rahatA hai| sUkSma dAdA kA nididhyAsana nirAlaMba kI tarapha le jAtA hai| daihika 55

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nididhyAsana, vANI kA nididhyAsana, ye sabhI eka sAtha milakara nirAlaMba hone meM madada karate haiN| mUla svarUpa dAdA bhagavAna haiM, usakA anubhava karane vAle unase alaga haiM na? mUla svarUpa ko dekhane vAle judA hI haiM na abhI? abhI isa zuddhAtmA svarUpa ko dekhane vAlI prajJA hai| jaba taka kevalajJAna samajha meM hai, taba taka prajJA bAhara rahatI hai aura jaba kevalajJAna jJAna meM ho taba prajJA phiTa ho jAtI hai| usake bAda dekhane vAlA alaga nahIM rhtaa| nirAlaMba dazA ho gaI! bhagavAna dAdA ke vaza meM A gae arthAt nirAlaMba Atma svarUpa bhagavAna vaza meM A ge| mahAtmAoM ko abhyudaya aura AnuSAMgika donoM phala milate haiN| abhyudaya arthAt saMsAra meM z2abaradasta abhivRddhi aura AnuSAMgika jo mokSa phala sahita hotA hai| bAta ko samajhanA hI hai| kauna sI bAta? eka vinAzI vastu aura vinAzI ke sage-saMbaMdhI, sabhI vinAzI haiM aura dUsarA nirAlaMba hai vaha 'maiM' hai aura usa para koI duHkha nahIM aataa| nirAlaMba kI sthiti prApta karane kI jaldabAz2I ho to sabhI meM 'maiM' 'maiM' dekhate-dekhate calanA caahie| 'maiM hI' 'maiM hI' jubAna para, mana meM aura citta meM rakhanA caahie| hameM apane Apako TaTolanA hai ki hama kahA~-kahA~ kisa-kisa prakAra se avalaMbita haiM ? aMta meM vahA~ se AtmA kI nirAlaMba dazA taka jAnA hai| cAhe kaisI bhI muzkileM Ae~, usa samaya 'dAdA dAdA' kareM yA phira dAdA kA nididhyAsana kareM to bhI ber3A pAra ho jaaegaa| zuddhAtmA zabda kA AdhAra bIca meM nahIM chor3A jA sktaa| vaha kaba chUTegA? sabhI phAileM pUrI ho jAe~gI, tb|| mahAvIra bhagavAna jaise zuddhAtmA the, vaise hI hama zuddhAtmA haiN| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki nirAlaMba to sirpha hama akele hI haiN| caudahaveM 56

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guNasthAnaka kA artha kyA hai ? deha sahita nirpekss| taba taka sApekSa kA AdhAra hai| yAnI ki gAr3I pleTaphaoNrma para khar3I raha gaI, bistara bAhara nikAla die aura khuda gAr3I meM hai| bistara raha jAe~ to bhI harja nahIM hai| zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana kise haiM? prajJA ko| nirAlaMba hone kA artha hI hai kevalajJAna hote jaanaa| nirAlaMba aura nirAvaraNa donoM sAtha-sAtha hotA jAtA hai| eka-do janmoM meM nirAlaMba ho jaaeNge| dAdAzrI ko kisakA avalaMbana thA? logoM kaa| kyoM? sabhI ko mokSa kI prApti karavAnI hai basa utanA hii| bAkI khuda mAlika nahIM rahe the deha ke, mana ke yA vANI ke|| kevala jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMda, vahI parama jyoti hai| svabhAva meM nirAlaMba dazA hai| vizeSa bhAva meM avalaMbana haiM saare| vaha avalaMbana vAlA (dAdA kA bAvA) yadi rauba jamAne lage to dAdAzrI kahate the ki "hama turaMta hI usake avalaMbana meM se chUTa kara nirAlaMba ho jAte haiM aura use kaha dete haiM ki 'basa, bahuta ho gayA, Ai DonTa vontt'| aisA karake usakA AdhAra haTA lete the|" / dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki mere kitane hI avatAroM ke phala svarUpa yaha nirAlaMba dazA prApta huI hai| yadi khuda nizcaya karake isake pIche par3a jAe to ho sakatA hai| pahale sthUla meM phira sUkSma, sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama meM nirAlaMba hote haiN| nirAlaMba dazA prApta karane ke lie kaisA rahatA hai ki jo mila jAe vahI khAe, jo mileM vahI kapar3e pahane, jo mileM una cIz2oM kA upayoga kare, taba kAma hotA hai| agara satsaMga meM jAne kA koI sAdhana mile to ThIka aura na mile to calate hue bhI cale jaaeN| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hameM to yaha satsaMga bhI bojhA lagatA hai lekina abhI Apake lie kAma kA hai phira bhI dhyeya aisA rakhanA cAhie ki aMta meM anya kisI satsaMga kI z2arUrata na rhe| khuda khuda ke hI satsaMga meM rahanA hai| 57

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avalaMbana ko dezI bhASA meM olaMbA (bhUlaMba, sAhula) kahate haiM / AdhAra para loDa par3atA hai, jabaki avalaMbana para nahIM pdd'taa| dIvAra banAne se pahale olaMbA rakhanA par3atA hai tabhI vaha sIdhI banatI hai na ? avalaMbana se regyUlara ho jAtA hai sabhI kucha / usI prakAra isa zuddhAtmA ke olaMbe se AtmA ekyureTa rahatA hai| pUrNa dazA ho jAne ke bAda nirAlaMba dazA ko 'zuddhAtmA' ke olaMbe kI z2arUrata nahIM rahatI ! jaba AdhAra haTA liyA jAe to vaha turaMta nirAdhAra ho jAtA hai| nirAlaMba hone meM dera lagatI hai / 'maiMne kiyA' isa bhAva se AdhAra milatA hai aura 'vyavasthita' ne kiyA, 'maiMne nahIM', to AdhAra calA gayA aura ho gayA niraadhaar| AtmA ke lie koI AdhAra - AdhArI saMbaMdha nahIM hai / kartAbhAva se karma ko AdhAra milatA hai aura usase prakRti banatI hai aura eka-eka AdhAra ko pakar3ate hue saMsAra khar3A ho jAtA hai! jJAnI kI AjJA meM rahane se akarma dazA AtI hai I bhedajJAna ke avalaMbana se zuddhAtmA pada milatA hai / bhedajJAna jJAnI ke avalaMbana se milatA hai / nirAlaMba pada jJAnI kI AjJA meM rahane se milatA hai| yahA~ para svarUpa kA AdhAra hai isIlie ina sabhI meM kahIM bhI loDa nahIM hai aura dUsarA hai ahaMkAra kA AdhAra jo sAmAnya logoM ko rahatA hai| saMsAra ajJAna kI vajaha se hai / ajJAna hI mAyA hai, svarUpa kI ajnyaantaa| ajJAna ko phira milatA hai aham kA sahArA ! vaha sahArA calA jAe to mukta ho sakatA hai| rileTiva mAtra AdhAra - AdhArI saMbaMdha vAlA hai / deha pitta, vAyu, kapha aura zarIra ke aMga- upAMga AdhAra - AdhArI vAle haiM / nirAlaMba kI rAha para kisa taraha jA sakate haiM ? AlaMbana kama karate-karate jAnA hai| AlaMbana kI z2arUrata kyoM mahasUsa huii| AlaMbana kI hI bhakti kI isalie / pudgala kI hI bhakti kI / hU~pha (sahArA, salAmatI, surakSA, rakSaNa) kI vajaha se paudgalika icchAe~ huI aura icchAe~ 58

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pUrI ho jAne para hU~pha calI jAtI hai| isameM se chUTA kaise jAe? jaba lie hue avalaMbana kar3ave z2ahara jaise lagane lageMge taba / jJAna jAgRti ho to avalaMbana nahIM rahatA lekina utanI jAgRti lAe kahA~ se? avalaMbana kA kAraNa icchA hai| jaba taka mIThA lage taba taka avalaMbana chUTegA hI nhiiN| jJAnI ko bhI sabhI saMyoga milate haiM lekina unheM unakI z2arUrata hI nahIM hotii| ve unakA nikAla kara dete haiN| kar3ave-mIThe saMyogoM meM se nikaleM kaise? usake jJAtA-dRSTA raheMge to| dAdAzrI ke sivA koI bhI mahAtmA nirAlaMba nahIM huA hai isalie AjJA meM rahakara Age bar3hanA hai| jIvamAtra hU~pha DhU~DhatA hai, vahI avalaMbana hai| hU~pha ke binA ghabarAhaTa hotI hai use| isalie darpaNa ke pAsa jAkara khuda hI thapa-thapAkara kahanA ki 'hama haiM na! kyoM Darate ho!' itanA karane se kisI kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'egii| ha~pha kaisI cIz2a hai? strI ko pati ke binA akele nIMda nahIM aatii| phira bhale hI pati so cukA ho! hU~pha rahita jIvana, vahI mokSa hai| hU~pha se paravazatA rahatI hai| kyA pati-patnI ke bIca meM kahIM prema hai? Asakti hai! hU~pha ke AdhAra pr| yaha kapa-pleTa sAtha meM so rahe hoM to kyA unake bIca prema jJAnI kI hU~pha rakheMge tabhI nirAlaMba ho skeNge| dAdAjI ne mahAtmAoM ko sabhI se chur3avA diyaa| aba jo hU~pha bacI, vaha DiscArja hU~pha hai| jJAnI kA AdhAra kaba taka rakhanA hai? nirAlaMba hone tk| jaise ki baccoM ko uThAkara samudra meM rakhanA par3atA hai lekina jaise hI usake paira retI taka pahu~ce ki use turaMta chor3a dete haiM! ataH taba taka jJAnI ke pIche-pIche ghUmate rahanA hai! mahAtmAoM kA cIz2oM kA avalaMbana chUTa jAtA hai lekina vyaktiyoM 59

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kA avalaMbana rahatA hai| isake lie dAdAzrI bahuta suMdara, spaSTa rUpa se samajhAte haiM ki vyaktiyoM ke sAtha RNAnubaMdha kI vajaha se thor3A kaoNmpleksa ho jAtA hai lekina vaha bhI dhIre-dhIre apane Apa chUTa jaaegaa| dAdAzrI khuda ke bAre meM bhI eka acchI bAta batAte haiM ki 'vyavahAra meM to hameM bhI nIrU bahana kA avalaMbana haiM, auroM ke bhI haiM lekina yadi nizcaya avalaMbana khar3A ho jAe yAnI ki jisakI vajaha se aMdara ar3acana Ae taba avalaMbana se Age cale jAte haiN| bAkI ke loga avalaMbana kA sabsTiTyUTa DhU~Dhate haiN| jJAnI ko vaisA nahIM hotA hai| mahAtmAoM ke lie to eka hI zaoNrTa kaTa hai| sabhI avalaMbanoM ko chor3akara sirpha dAdAzrI kA avalaMbana pakar3a lenA hI saba se bar3A upAya hai aura vAstava meM yaha avalaMbana koI avalaMbana nahIM hai kyoMki isameM kisI bhI prakAra kA riekzana nahIM hai| dAdAzrI ne mahAtmAoM ko mana para bojha rakhane ke lie manA kiyA hai| bojhA kaisA? nirAlaMba pada nahIM hai usakA! vaha to apane Apa sAmane aaegaa| mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praviSTa hone ke bAda aba vApasa jA sakeM, vaisA to rahA hI nahIM, Age hI bar3hanA hai| to usa chora para mokSa hI hai na! dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hama thyorI nahIM lekina thyorama oNpha ebsaoNlyUTiz2ama meM haiN| thyorama arthAt anubhava meM haiN| ebsalyUTa arthAt mUla AtmA, nirAlaMba AtmA!' mahAvideha kSetra meM hamezA hI tIrthaMkara hote haiM ! bolo, brahmAMDa to niraMtara pavitra hI haiM na! hamane vahA~ para pahu~cakara dAdAzrI ke akrama jJAna kA vIz2A dikhAyA ki mokSa meM enTrI! dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'maiMne Apako sabhI kucha de diyA hai, mere jitanA hii| lekina ApakI phAileM Apako bAdhaka haiN'| ebsalyUTa sthiti kA matalaba kyA hai ? para-samaya baMda ho gyaa| samaya arthAt kAla kI choTe se choTI yuunitt| koI bhI cIz2a Taca na ho, aisA apanA AtmA haiM yAnI ki 'hama' 60

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haiM hI aise ! phA~sI kA bhI asara nahIM hotA aura cAroM tarapha bama phUTa rahe hoM taba bhI asara nahIM hotA / gajasukumAra ke sira para sigar3I jalAI to bhI una para vedanA kA asara nahIM huA aura kevalajJAna ho gayA ! bhagavAna ne gajasukumAra ko samajhAyA thA ki " bahuta bar3A upasarga A par3e taba 'zuddhAtmA, zuddhAtmA' mata karanA / zuddhAtmA to sthUla svarUpa hai, zabda svarUpa hai / taba sUkSma meM cale jAnA / kevalajJAna svarUpa meM !" vaha kaisA svarUpa hai? kevalajJAna AkAza jaisA sUkSma hai jabaki agni sthUla hai| sthUla sUkSma ko jalA sakatA hai kyA ? 'kevalajJAna svarUpa kaisA dikhAI detA hai ?' 'pUre zarIra meM AkAza jitanA hI bhAga dikhAI detA hai, aura kucha bhI nahIM dikhAI detA / koI mUrta svarUpa hai hI nahIM usameM / ' AkAza amUrta hai, sUkSma hai ! isa svarUpa kA anubhava gajasukumAra ko rahA aura ve mokSa meM gae ! mahAtmAoM kI vaha dazA kaba AegI ? usake Ae binA cArA nahIM hai| tIrthaMkara ke darzana hote hI vaisA ho jaaegaa| tIrthaMkara kI sthiratA, unakA prema dekhate hI vaisA ho jAegA / mahAtmAoM kA aba aisA nizcaya ho gayA hai ki 'aba pudgala ke avalaMbana cAhie hI nhiiN'| isalie nirAlaMba hone lage haiN| jo pudgala kA avalaMbana lete hI nahIM, ve paramAtmA aura jo pudgala ke AdhAra para jIvita haiM, ve jIvAtmA / dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'tIrthaMkaroM ne jJAna meM jo AtmA dekhA hai vaha saba se aMtima hai aura vaha hamane dekhA hai, jAnA hai / vaha nirbhaya aura vItarAga rakhatA hai'| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'lekina maiM to phela ho cukA tIrthaMkara hU~, cAra mArka se! ' jJAnI do prakAra ke hote haiM / eka zuddhAtmA svarUpa ke zabdAvalaMbana vAle aura dUsare nirAlaMba dazA vAle / dAdAzrI nirAlaMba dazA meM the| isa kAla kA gyArahavA~ Azcarya ! dAdAzrI ko koI icchA thI hI nahIM, isalie unake lie hara eka cIz2a apane Apa hAz2ira ho jAtI thI / dAdAzrI kI 61

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upasthiti hI jagat kA kalyANa karatI hai| jisa prakAra barpha kI sillI kI upasthiti hameM aMdhere meM bhI ThaMDaka detI hai na! kevalajJAna, ebsalyUTa jJAna, nirAlaMba dazA aisI hai ki jahA~ para rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, avalaMbana nahIM hai, zabda bhI nahIM haiM, kucha bhI nahIM hai| nirA AnaMda kA hI kaMda hai| vahA~ para sirpha kevalajJAna hI hai| koI avalaMbana nahIM hai, aisA upyog| mahAtmAoM ko dAdAzrI ne jJAna kA avalaMbana diyA hai, pA~ca AjJA kA avalaMbana, jo nirAlaMba bnaaegaa| mUla AtmA prApta krvaaegaa| mUla AtmA vijJAna svarUpa hai! [7] aMtima vijJAna - maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne AtmavijJAna kI aMtima (uccatama) bAta 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' kA udAharaNa dekara bahuta gaharAI se samajhAI hai aura isase tattva se saMbaMdhita, kartA se saMbaMdhita tamAma ulajhanoM kA ekjekTa spaSTIkaraNa mila jAtA hai| aisA spaSTIkaraNa kisI bhI zAstra meM yA kisI bhI jJAnI se nahIM mila sktaa| AtmajJAna hone ke bAda mahAtmAoM ko kadama-kadama para ye ulajhaneM paidA hotI haiM ki "mujhe to sau pratizata AtmA meM aura jJAna meM hI rahanA hai, akartA pada meM hI rahanA hai| phira bhI aisI galatI ho jAtI hai ki kucha acchA ho jAe to aisA rahatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA' aura bigar3a jAe to 'kisI aura ne kiyaa|" 'maiM zuddhAtmA hI ha~', use to aisA hogA hI nahIM n| to aisA kise hotA hai ? tanmayAkAra kauna ho jAtA hai ? mana-vacanakAyA to mikenikala haiM, aisA bhI anubhava hotA hai, to yaha kisake izAre para ulTA kAma karatA hai ? AtmA to aisA karavAtA hI nahIM, kucha bhI nahIM krvaataa| yaha rahasya samajha meM nahIM Ane ke kAraNa pragati ruka jAtI hai aura aMdara bhayaMkara phasTrezana A jAtA hai| 'zuddhAtmA aura yaha mikenikala kAma karane vAle mana-vacana-kAyA ke bIca meM koI phorsa hai, vaha kyA hai? vaha kisa taraha kAma karatA hai? usakA svarUpa kyA hai?', aise tamAma prazna utpanna hote the| unakA ekz2ekTa vivaraNa mila jAtA hai dAdAzrI ke isa guhyatama jJAna se, 'maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas'| aba yaha kyA hai ? 62

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apane yahA~ gA~va meM kahAvata hai ki 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' yAnI ki koI vyakti agara akelA bahuta sAre kAma saMbhAla rahA ho aura hama use pUche ki 'Apa to bahuta sAre kAma karate haiM! kauna-kauna ApakI madada karatA hai? taba ve kahate haiM, 'bhAI, yahA~ para to koI bhUta bhI madada nahIM krtaa| yahA~ to maiM hI hU~, maiM hI bAvA aura maiM hI maMgaladAsa! sabhI meM maiM hI hU~!' isakI vizeSa spaSTatA karate hue dAdAzrI udAharaNa dete haiM ki "AdhI rAta ko koI daravAz2A khaTakhaTAe aura hama pUche ki kauna hai? to vaha kyA kahatA hai ki 'maiM', lekina bhAI maiM kauna? to kahatA hai, 'maiM bAvA'! are bhAI, bAvA lekina kauna sA bAvA? to vaha kahatA hai, 'maiM, bAvA, mNgldaas'| tabhI patA calatA hai ki kauna hai|" aba isameM hai to vaha eka hI vyakti lekina tIna bAra khuda kA paricaya alaga-alaga taraha se detA hai yAnI ki usakI pahacAna badalatI rahatI hai| aba isameM AtmA kahA~ para AegA? ___maiM arthAt zaddhAtmA, mUla paramAtmA, 360 DigrI vAle! bAvA vaha bIca kA aMtarAtmA hai aura jo maMgaladAsa hai, vaha caMdUbhAI hai! zarIra kA jo mikenikala bhAga hai vaha, jise DaoNkTara cIrakara dekha sakate haiM, vaha sthala zarIra aura usa zarIra ke avayava jo ki mAikroskopa se dekhe jA sakate haiM, ve sabhI maMgaladAsa meM AtA hai| zarIra meM phiz2ikala bhAga hai, jisakA pUraNa-galana (cArja honA, bharanA-DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) hotA hai, vaha sabhI maMgaladAsa meM AtA hai| aba bAvA kA matalaba kyA hai ? kabhI vaha kahatA hai 'maiM caMdUbhAI aura kucha dera bAda kahatA hai, maiM isa bacce kA pApA hU~, isakA pati hU~, isakA sasura hU~, isakA baoNsa hU~!' 'are bhAI, Apa eka hI ho aura itane saba alaga-alaga nAma kaise kaha rahe ho? koI eka kaho na!' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'nahIM, vaha saba maiM hI hU~', sahI hai na? riyala meM?' to vaha kahatA hai, 'hA~, riyala meN'| yaha jo badalatA hai, vaha bAvA hai|| jaba taka 'maiM' nAma se pahacAnA jAtA hai taba taka vaha maMgaladAsa hai. lekina kriyA ke adhIna vaha bAvA khlaayaa| vAstava meM mUlataH to 'maiM' hI hai| 'maiM' koI galata nahIM hai lekina isa 'maiM' kA anya jagaha para 63

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upayoga huA, vaha galata hai| bAvA bAra-bAra badalatA hI rahatA hai, nAma vahI kA vahI rahatA hai| bAvA vizeSaNa vAlA hai| maiM klarka, maiM kalekTara, maiM kamiznara jo isa taraha badalatA rahatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| pichale DiscArja aura nae cArja, isa prakAra cArja-DiscArja karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| dAdAzrI khuda kA paricaya dete hue kahate haiM ki 'yaha zarIra aMbAlAla hai| isameM bAvA kauna hai ? ye jo jJAnI haiM, ve| aura maiM kauna? aatmaa| ataH ye jJAnI bAvA hI kahalAe~ge na! aura phira haiM to tInoM eka hii'| maiM AtmA, Diz2Aina vaha maMgaladAsa hai aura usake kAmakAja, vaha bAvA! jo kartApanA ke bhAva se kAma karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| jo saMsAra kI khaTapaTa karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| jo mokSa kI khaTapaTa karatA hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai| yaha bAvA hI sabhI khela karavAtA hai| jaisA ciMtavana karatA hai, bAvA vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| 'mujhe romAnsa hI karanA hai' to bAvA vaisA bana jAtA hai| 'mujhe brahmacarya kA pAlana hI karanA hai' to bAvA brahmacArI bana jAtA hai yadi aisA ciMtavana kare ki 'mujhe mokSa meM hI jAnA haiM' to vaisA bana jAtA hai| taya karane kI z2arUrata hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', bAvA aisA ciMtavana kare to bAvA zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai| maMgaladAsa maMgalI ke sAtha zAdI karatA hai aura saMsAra bar3hatA hai| 'maiM strI hU~' vaha bAvA hai, 'maiM puruSa hU~' vaha bhI bAvA hai| bUr3hA, baccA, sabhI bAvA haiN| pati-patnI rAta ko jhagar3ate haiM aura mana meM taya karate haiM ki 'ise sIdhA karake hI chodd'eNgaa'| vaha bhI bAvA hai! bAvA kyA-kyA karatA hai? jo kaSAyI hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai aura jo saMyamI hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai| jisake vizeSaNa badalate rahate haiM, vaha bAvA hai aura nAma hamezA ke lie rahatA hai, vaha hai mNgldaas| ___ mana do prakAra ke haiM, eka bhAvamana aura dUsarA drvymn| dravyamana arthAt jo vicAra Ate haiM, unheM bAvA dekha sakatA hai ataH vaha mana bAvA kA nahIM hai paraMtu maMgaladAsa kA hai aura bhAvamana jo ki sUkSma hai, use bAvA dekha nahIM sakatA, vaha bAvA kA mana hai| jo bhAva hai, vahI bAvA hai| 64

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mana meM vicAra Ate haiM, unameM yadi bAvA tanmayAkAra ho jAe to vaha bana jAtA hai maMgaladAsa! aura agalA janma khar3A kiyA aura mana sApha nahIM huaa| alaga rahakara use dekhate raheM to utanA hI mukta hogA! vAstava meM AtmA kabhI bhI mana meM, buddhi meM, citta meM yA ahaMkAra meM tanmayAkAra hotA hI nahIM hai| jo tanmayAkAra hotA hai, vaha bAvA hai| ___ 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA mAnatA hai, usase bhAvamana zurU ho jAtA hai| 'maiM akartA hU~', yadi aisA ho jAe to bhAvamana bNd| arthAt yaha sthUla mana maMgaladAsa meM AtA hai aura sUkSma mana bAvA meM AtA hai| sthUla mana ko dekhane vAlA bAvA hai aura bAvA ko dekhane vAlI prajJAzakti hai| maMgaladAsa jo karatA hai, use bAvA jAnatA hai aura jo ina saba ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, vAstava meM vaha AtmA hI Atma dRSTi se dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| jaba taka prajJA hai taba taka bAvA hai| prajJA bAvA ko bhI dekhatI aura jAnatI hai| bAvA khuda ko kartA mAnatA thA isalie karmabaMdhana hotA hI rahatA thaa| aba aisI mAnyatA nahIM rahI ki 'maiM bAvA ha~' aura mAnatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' isalie akartA ho gayA, isIlie karma nahIM bNdhte|| tIrthaMkara bhI nAmakarma hai, vaha cetana nahIM hai| jo isa sarkala (sAMsArika avasthAoM) se bAhara khar3A hai, vaha cetana hai| 'sarkala' meM kahIM bhI agara merApana nahIM rahe to vaha pyora cetana hai| pudgala kI sabhI avasthAoM ko dAdAzrI ne 'sarkala' kahA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki yaha Apase jo bAteM kara rahA hai, vaha bAvA hai, sunane vAlA bhI bAvA hai| jaba bAvA ko aisA patA calatA hai ki hama sarkala se bAhara A gae haiM, taba aisA kahA jAtA hai ki samakita ho gyaa| mUla jAnane vAlA AtmA hai lekina bAvA roMga bilIpha se mAnatA hai ki 'maiM jAna rahA huuN'| 'maiM kara rahA hU~ aura maiM jAna rahA huuN|' donoM kA miksca ra hai, vaha bAvA hai aura 'maiM jAna rahA hU~' 'maiM kartA nahIM hU~' to 65

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vaha zuddhAtmA hai| zuddhAtmA to bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ko hI nahIM balki unake aMdara ke sabhI bhAgoM ko jAnatA hai / bAvA jo dekhatA hai vaha zuddhAtmA kI vajaha se hI dekha pAtA hai / khuda svayaM jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM hai / bAvA ko khatma karane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie ? yadi bAvA ke pakSa meM nahIM baiTheMge to usakA vaMza bar3hegA hI nhiiN| kisI ke apamAna karane para yadi khuda kA rakSaNa na kare to bAvA khtm| mokSa meM kise jAnA hai ? jo baMdhA huA hai, use / jise duHkha hotA hai use yAnI ki ahaMkAra ko| usI ko mukta honA hai| jJAnIpuruSa arthAt e.ema. paTela ? e. ema. paTela to maMgaladAsa hai / jJAnIpuruSa to jo 'Ai' (maiM) Develapa hote-hote 'Ai (maiM) rahita' taka Develapa ho cukA hai, vaha hai / vahI aham hai / galata aham calA jAe to vaha jJAnI bana jAtA hai / vAstava meM to do hI haiN| eka vaha jo mokSa DhU~Dha rahA thA (bAvA) aura dUsare bhagavAna, jo mokSa svarUpa hI haiN| mUla AtmA to paramAtmA hI haiM lekina isa samasaraNa mArga meM vyavahAra meM AtmA Develapa hote-hote bhagavAna mahAvIra jaisA bana jAtA hai ! dekho na, yaha pudgala bhI bhagavAna bana gayA ! dAdAzrI khuda apane Apake lie kahate haiM ki, 'hamArA pudgala abhI bhI bhagavAna jaisA nahIM huA hai / kucha bhUla raha jAtI hai| abhI bhI sabhI ko mokSa meM le jAne ke prayatna hote haiM aura kabhI kisI ko bhArI zabda bhI kaha dete haiN| bhagavAna ke kyA kahIM aise lakSaNa hote haiM ? itanA z2arUra hai ki hamArI bhUloM kA hameM turaMta patA cala jAtA haiM ! hA~, kisI ke lie eka bAla jitanA bhI virodha nahIM rhtaa'| yadi maMgaladAsa kA rakSaNa kare to samajha jAnA hai ki yaha bAvA kA bAvA hI rhegaa| hameM 'dekhate' hI rahanA hai use / jaba khuda ko nijadoSa dikhAI deMge tabhI se bAvA khatma hone lagegA aura bhagavAna banane lagegA ! hama se sAmane vAle ke prati bhUla ho jAe to use hameM vApasa palaTa 66

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denA caahie| phira bhI agara sAmane vAlA apane Apa hI ulajhana meM par3e to vaha apanI z2immedArI nahIM hai| apanI vajaha se ulajhana meM par3e to apanI jokhimadArI hai| jaba taka bAvA hai taba taka bhUla hone kI saMbhAvanA hai| zuddhAtmA meM raheMge tabhI saba bhUleM dikhAI deMgI lekina vApasa se bAvA bana jAte haiM na! potApaNuM kauna rakhavAtA hai? ajnyaan| zuddhAtmA hone ke bAda bhI abhI taka pakSa caMdUbhAI kA rakhanA hai, vaha bAvA hai| caraNavidhi kauna karatA hai? jise baMdhana meM se chUTanA hai vaha, arthAt ahNkaar| ahaMkAra hI pratiSThita AtmA hai| eka vyakti ne dAdAzrI se kahA ki 'Apa aise AzIrvAda dIjie ki hama (bAvA) aura jyAdA jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM raha skeN'| taba dAdAzrI ne use DA~Ta diyA, 'are, kahIM aise AzIrvAda hote hoMge? ki Apa kucha aisA kara dIjie ki hama so rahe ho to khAnA mu~ha meM A jaae| aisI galata bAteM karake TAima mata bigaadd'o| sUkSma bAta ho to kro'| kaSAya bhI bAvA ko hote haiM, zuddhAtmA ko nhiiN| bAvA jaba cir3hane lage to hameM use DA~Ta lene denA hai| phira bAda meM dhIre se kahanA ki, 'bhAI, aisA kyoM kara rahe ho? isase kyA phAyadA?' aisA kahane se eka to vaha narama par3a jAegA aura dUsarA hama jJAna meM raheMge to usase zakti bddh'egii| agara hama bAvA ko DA~TeMge to vaha aisA hai ki virodha kregaa| maMgaladAsa bAhara kA svarUpa hai, bAvA aMdara kA svarUpa hai aura maiM zuddhAtmA! yadi itanA sA hI samajha jAe~ to tamAma zAstroM kA sAra A gayA! bAvA hI akSara puruSotama kahalAtA hai| mUla puruSotama nhiiN| mUla puruSotama to pUrNa svarUpa meM hI (rahate) haiM ! kSara, caMdUbhAI hai aura jo akSara hai, vaha bAvA, kisI eka poinTa se lekara dUsare poinTa taka aura maiM 'pUrNa svarUpa' hai| jaba yojanA gar3hatA hai taba brahma meM se bana jAtA hai brahmA aura jaba use amala meM lAtA hai taba ho jAtA hai bhramita / 'maiM hU~ caMdU, isakA pati...' 67

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aisA kahatA rahatA hai to vaha bhramita nahIM to aura kyA hai? vahI 'maiM' hai, vahI bAvA aura vahI maMgaladAsa hai| parsanala, imaparsanala aura ebsalyUTa kA matalaba kyA hai? maMgaladAsa parsanala, bAvA imparsanala aura maiM ebslyuutt| zuddhAtmA aura caMdUbhAI ke bIca meM hai impayora sola (baavaa)| yaha impyora sola mAtra bilIpha hI hai| vaha khatma ho jAe to phiz2ikala (maMgaladAsa) kI koI z2immedArI nahIM rhtii| impyora sola ne caMdUbhAI nAma ko pakar3a liyA hai ki 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' usase roMga bilIpha baiTha gii| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha pharsTa roMga bilIpha hai| khuda kahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vahI ahaMkAra hai| jJAna milane para aMhakAra phrekcara ho jAtA hai aura rAiTa bilIpha baiTha jAtI hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| aba 'Apa' zuddhAtmA ho aura 'Apako' aba (bAvA kA) mizracetana kA nikAla karanA hai aura nizcetana cetana (maMgaladAsa) apane Apa hI sahaja bhAva se calatA rhegaa| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hama vyavahAra meM laghutama aura nizcaya meM gurutama haiM!' "hama aura bhagavAna ekAkAra haiM aura judA bhI haiN|' kevalajJAna hone para ekAkAra ho jAtA hai| jaba hama darzana karavAte haiM, 'dAdA bhagavAna nA asIma jaya jayakAra ho', usa ghar3I bhagavAna kI taraha rahate haiN| usase sabhI ullAsa meM A jAte haiM na! aura jaba bAteM karate haiM, satsaMga karate haiM, taba bhagavAna se judA! abhI judA haiN| hAlAMki yaha jo bola rahA hai, vaha TeparikaoNrDara bola rahA hai na! maiM usakA jJAtA-dRSTA huuN|" praznakartA dAdAzrI se pUchate haiM ki "hama' bhagavAna ke sAtha ekAkAra haiM? to taba, 'hama unase judA haiM to isameM 'hama' kauna hai ?' taba dAdAzrI kahate haiM, '356 DigrI vAlA jo bhAga hai vaha jJAnIpuruSa hai, aMbAlAla bhAI jo jJAnI ho cuke haiN| vahI maiM, vahI bAvA aura vahI maMgaladAsa hai'| jo maThiyA khAtA hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai| jo svAda vedatA hai vaha bAvA hai aura jo jAnatA hai vaha AtmA hai| maz2A karane vAlA bAvA aura use jAnate ho 'aap'| 68

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Apa caMdUbhAI, suna rahe haiM, aMbAlAla bola rahe haiM, jJAnI bhoga rahe haiM aura 'hama' jAnate haiN| jo khAtA hai, vaha 'Apa' nahIM ho, hAtha khilAtA hai| dAMta cabAte haiM, aMdara bAvA jI vedatA hai| kar3ave-mIThe ko vedane vAlA bAvA jI aura jAnane vAlA 'maiM khud'| jJAnI ko bhI, jaba taka bAvA hai tabhI taka vedakatA hai| mUla puruSa to vaha hai jo kevalajJAna svarUpa ko jAnatA hai| jo sthUla hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai, usake bAda jo sUkSma bhAga aura kAraNa bhAga rahA, ve donoM bAvA ke haiM aura 'maiM' zuddhAtmA hai| itane meM pUrA akrama vijJAna A gayA! aba bAvA kA nikAla karanA hai samabhAva se| jJAna milane ke bAda zuddhAtmA ke taura para judA ho gae aba jaisejaise garvarasa cakhanA baMda hotA jAegA vaise-vaise mArksa bddh'eNge| garvarasa se mArksa kama ho jAte haiM kyoMki ulTI karane kI cIz2a ko khA gae! bAvA kA sTezana bahuta laMbA hai lekina hai eka hI stteshn| isa prakAra tIna hI sTezana haiM, maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa lekina phATaka ko chuA ki ho gayA 'khuda' pUrNa bhgvaan| striyoM meM moha adhika hotA hai, vaha moha bAvA kA hai use 'hameM' jAnanA hai ki itanA moha hai aura jJAnI ko batA denaa| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hamArA bhI bAvA hai na!' jaba taka cAra DigrI kI kamI hai taba taka 'maiM' zuddha nahIM hogA isalie aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki 'maiM bhagavAna se judA huuN| 'maiM bhagavAna hU~', aisA nahIM kaha skte| striyoM kA bAvIpanA nahIM chuutttaa| usake lie striyoM ko bAvIpanA nahIM hone denA caahie| bAvI ko bAvA pada meM hI rakhanA cAhie, nahIM to vApasa strIpanA A jaaegaa| strI bAvA taba khatma ho jaaegaa| apane bAvA se hameM kaha denA hai ki 'jIvana itanA suMdara jIo, agarabattI jaisA tAki khuda jalakara dUsaroM ko sukha do! nahIM to jiMdagI bekAra hI gaI smjho'| dAdAzrI kA AtmajJAna milane ke bAda aura kucha bhI karanA bAkI nahIM rhtaa| AtmA to zuddha hI hai| jaise-jaise bAvA jI zuddha hote jAe~ge 69

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vaise-vaise vijJAna prakaTa hotA jaaegaa| jaba taka aisA saba bolatA hai, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM vijJAna svarUpa hU~' taba taka khuda jJAna svarUpa kahalAtA haiN| jaba 'khuda' pUrNa vijJAna svarUpa ho jAegA usake bAda phira bolanA nahIM pdd'egaa| jaba taka bAvA hai tabhI taka jJAna svarUpa aura bAvA khatma ho jAegA taba vijJAna svruup| bAvA bar3hatA jAtA hai lekina 'maiM' vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai| 99 taka 'maiM' jJAna svarUpa hai aura 100 huA ki vijJAna svarUpa ho gyaa| 'maiM' bAvA ke rUpa meM jJAna svarUpa hU~ aura riyalI 'maiM' vijJAna svarUpa huuN| jJAna milane ke bAda rileTiva yAnI ki 'maMgaladAsa hU~', vaha chUTa gyaa| usake bAda usakA svarUpa bAvA svarUpa ho gyaa| aba jaise-jaise phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla hotA jAegA, vaise-vaise bAvA vilIna hotA jaaegaa| 356 DigrI para bAvA hai, 357, 358, 359 taka bAvA hai aura 360 DigrI huA ki 'maiM' ho jAegA! 'maiM' to zuddhAtmA hai hI lekina bAvA bhI zuddha 'maiM' ho gyaa| riyala meM zuddhAtmA to sabhI kA 360 DigrI kA hai lekina yaha bAvA alaga-alaga DigrI kA hotA hai aura ahaMkAra hI bAvA ko Age nahIM bar3hane detaa| isameM, 'maiM kucha hU~', vaha bhArI jokhima bana jAtA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hama jJAnI haiM, bhagavAna nahIM haiN| 360 DigrI taka pahu~ca jAe~ge to bhagavAna haiN| 359 taka jJAnI haiN| abhI hama 356 DigrI para haiN'| dAdAzrI ke deha vilaya ke ekAdha saptAha pahale unhoMne kahA thA, 'isa e.ema.paTela kI mIThe aura miracI kI ruci aura svAda gyaa| aba hamArI do DigrI Age bddh'iiN| 359 DigrI ho gii'| 345 DigrI se Age pahu~cane ke bAda jJAnI pada kahalAtA hai, 345 se 359 taka jJAnI bAvA meM hI AtA hai ! 355 DigrI se 360 DigrI taka sabhI bhagavAna hI kahalAte haiN| tIrthaMkaroM meM aMdara aura bAhara donoM jagaha 360 DigrI hotI haiN| 70

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bAvA 345 DigrI taka pahu~ca jAe taba bhI maMgaladAsa meM badalAva nahIM dikhAI detA kyoMki prakRti to svAbhAvika rUpa se kAma karatI hI hai| hA~, bAvA meM bahuta badalAva ho jAtA hai| bAvA kA khuda kA iphekTa jJAna se bhoga liyA jAtA hai isalie bAvA 'maiM' meM AtA jAtA hai| 'maiM' bAvA ko riyAliTI samajhAtA hai, usa AdhAra para bAvA 'maiM' meM AtA jAtA hai| prajJA ke rUpa meM 'maiM' bAvA ko samajhAtA hai| bAvA Age bar3hatA jAtA hai, vaha prajJA kI hAz2irI ke kAraNa hai| jAgRti DAuna ho jAe to bAvA nIce jAne lagatA hai| bAvA kA asara maMgaladAsa para nahIM par3atA aura maMgaladAsa kA asara bAvA para nahIM pdd'taa| bAvA kI lAkha icchA ho ki maMgaladAsa meM badalAva ho jAe lekina vaha nahIM ho sktaa| maMgaladAsa kI prakRti banAne meM bAvA hI kAraNabhUta hai| prakRti prakRti ko nahIM bnaatii| bAvA ne pUrvajanma meM prakRti banAI hai| usameM se kucha bhAga prakRti meM A gayA aura bAkI kA bAvA ke pAsa raha gyaa| jo cenja nahIM hotA, vaha prakRti hai aura jo cenjebala hai, vaha bAvA hai| kyA bAvA kA jJAna cenjebala hai? hA~, jJAna hamezA cenjebala hotA hai| ajJAna bhI cenjebala hotA hai| ___maMgaladAsa kA janma huA taba sapoz2a (mAna lo ki) 202 DigrI taka kA thaa| vaha to vahI kA vahI rahatA hai Akhira taka lekina jJAna milane ke bAda bAvA alaga ho jAtA hai (303 DigrI) isalie usakI DigriyA~, AjJA meM rahane se, jAgRti meM rahane se 303 DigrI se Age bar3hane lagatI haiM to Akhira meM jaba vaha 360 DigrI ho jAtI hai taba bAvA kA svataMtra astitva nahIM rhtaa| vaha kevalajJAna svarUpa ho jAtA hai| bAvA kA janma jJAna milane ke bAda hotA hai| taba taka 'maiM' aura maMgaladAsa aura bAvA sabhI kucha eka hI rahatA hai| ataH zraddhA meM 360 DigrI hai lekina vartana meM 303 DigrI hai| zraddhA meM 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' hai lekina vartana meM 303 DigrI vAlA bAvA hai| ataH 71

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maMgaladAsa kI rileTiva DigrI 202 hai, zuddhAtmA kI 360 DigrI hai, riyala kI aura bAvA kI 303 DigrI, niyara riyala kii| jJAna milane se pahale hama bAvA to the hI nahIM, maiM caMdUbhAI, maiM DaoNkTara vagairaha sabhI ko eka hI mAnate the| jJAna milane se pahale bhI bAvA hotA hai lekina vaha binA Dresa kA bAvA hotA hai| jaba se 'maiM kartA hU~, mujhe karma bhoganA par3egA', aisA jAnA tabhI se vaha bAvA bana jAtA hai lekina vaha ekz2ekTa Dresa vAlA bAvA nahIM hai| 'mujhe yaha dehAdhyAsa baratatA (rahatA) hai', jaba se aisA samajhe tabhI se vaha rauba vAlA bAvA kahalAtA hai| kAphI Age bar3ha gayA, aisA kahA jAegA lekina phira bhI vaha asala Dresa vAlA to hai hI nhiiN| vAstava meM phula Dresa vAlA bAvA to isa jJAna prApti ke bAda hI kahalAtA hai| maMgaladAsa ko aura bAvA ko sabhI ko jo jAnatA hai, vaha hai 'maiM'! jo jJAnI hai, vaha bhI 'maiM' nahIM huuN| 360 DigrI vAle jo jJAnI haiM, unheM bhI 'maiM' jAnatA hU~', aisA rahatA hai| tIrthaMkaroM kI 360 DigrI aura dAdAzrI kI 356 DigrI hai| isameM pharka itanA hI hai ki dAdAzrI khaTapaTiyA vItarAga haiM aura tIrthaMkara pUrNa vItarAga haiN| dAdAzrI ko dina-rAta sabhI ko mokSa meM le jAne kI hI khaTapaTa rahatI hai| maMgaladAsa kI prakRti nahIM bdltii| bAvA para prakRti kA asara hotA hai lekina utane hI bhAga meM hotA hai jahA~ para ajJAna rahA huA hai| 360 DigrI vAle para bilkula bhI asara nahIM hotaa| bAvA kA svarUpa jJAna se dikhAI detA hai| jaise-jaise DigrI bar3hatI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise aura adhika spaSTa svarUpa samajha meM AtA jAtA hai| __bAvA kA aura maMgaladAsa kA svarUpa jise samajha meM AtA hai vaha 'maiM' hai aura vaha bhI prajJA ke rUpa meN| eka mahAtmA ne dAdAzrI se pUchA ki 'bAvA aura ahaMkAra meM kyA pharka hai ?' taba dAdAzrI ne kahA ki, 'ahaMkAra khuda hI bAvA hai aura ahaMkAra kama hotA jAtA hai vaha bhI bAvA hai aura khatma hotA hai vaha bhI bAvA hai'| 72

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dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki, 'hamArA ahaMkAra khatma ho cukA hai| merA ahaMkAra khatma ho cukA hai lekina bAvA abhI bhI ahaMkArI hai| 356 DigrI vAlA, arthAt hama meM DiscArja ahaMkAra hai, jisake AdhAra para sabhI daihika kriyAe~ hotI haiN| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki "dAdA bhagavAna', ve bhagavAna haiM aura dAdA, ve bhagavAna nahIM haiN| dAdA bhI bAvA haiN| arthAt jJAnI bhI bAvA aura Apa bhI baavaa|" ___dAdAzrI ekadama pyaoNra haiM isalie sabhI ko niraMtara yAda rahate haiM, nahIM to koI yAda nahIM raha sktaa| 360 DigrI kA jJAna prakaTa kyoM nahIM hotA? abhI bhI bAhara kI kitanI ruci bharI par3I hai! abhI bhI kitanI jagahoM para mIThA lagatA hai ? dAdAzrI jo akrama jJAna dete haiM, vaha 360 DigrI kA pUrNa kevalajJAna hI dete haiM lekina vaha pUrI taraha se pacatA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI ko bhI 356 DigrI para ruka gyaa| mahAtmAoM meM 200 se bar3hakara 300 taka, 310 taka yA 320 taka jAtA hai! jJAnI meM aura bhagavAna meM kyA pharka hai ? jJAnI sabakucha samajha sakate haiM, dekha sakate haiM lekina jAna nahIM sakate! dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki merA jJAna 356 DigrI para rukA huA hai, yadi 360 DigrI ho gayA hotA to 'maiM' aura dAdA bhagavAna eka ho gae hote! lekina 356 DigrI ke kAraNa alaga rahe hue haiN| isa kAla meM saMpUrNa prakaTa ho hI nahIM sakatA! caudaha loka ke nAtha arthAt jo pUrNa prakaTa hue haiM, phula skela meM hAz2ira hue haiM, ve! aura aise caudaha loka ke nAtha prakaTa hue haiM isa e.ema. peTala meM! eka mahAtmA dAdAzrI se pUchate haiM ki, 'ApameM kauna sA bhAga jJAnI kA hai? Apa to AtmA hI haiM na?' taba parama pUjya dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki, 'khuda jitanA Atma svarUpa huA utanA jnyaanii| 356 DigrI vAlA jnyaanii'| 356 DigrI aMtarAtmA kI aura 360 DigrI paramAtmA kI! zrImad rAjacaMdra ne spaSTa zabdoM meM kahA hai ki 'jJAnI dehadhArI paramAtmA hI kahe 73

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jAte haiM!' cAra DigrI pUrI hone para paramAtmA bana jaaeNge| koI eka mahIne pahale kalekTara banA hai aura koI bIsa sAla se kalekTara hai| donoM kI posTa eka sarIkhI hI kahI jaaegii| donoM hI kamiznara baneMge lekina phira bhI eka sarIkhA nahIM kahA jaaegaa| 20 sAla vAlA kala jAkara kamiznara bana jAegA jabaki eka mahIne vAle ko kAphI samaya lagegA ! dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hameM kevalajJAna kI koI jaldI nahIM hai ! isa kAla meM usakI parIkSA hI nahIM lI jAtI to phira mujhe usakI taiyArI karane kI kyA z2arUrata hai ? kyoM na maiM jagat kalyANa karU~ !' isameM dAdAzrI kI jagat kalyANa karane kI kitanI utkRSTha bhAvanA hai ! isa jagat meM aise jJAnI kA saMyoga milanA durlabha hai| sabhI kucha milegA lekina yaha nahIM milegaa| jahA~ brahmAMDa ke bhagavAna prakaTa hue haiM, unase saMbaMdha jor3akara kAma nikAla lo ! maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa / aise tIna bheda dAdAzrI ne kyoM die ? varnA isa dUSamakAla ke loga dAdA bhagavAna aura aMbAlAla, ina donoM meM bheda nahIM samajha pAe~ge aura hara bAta para zaMkA kareMge, aura balki unakA bigar3a jAegA! isalie vizeSa vivaraNa karake saMpUrNa kleriTI dI hai tAki kabhI bhI logoM ko ulajhana paidA na ho ! maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa kA guhya rahasya dAdA zrI ne pahalI bAra hI kholA, 1987 meM amarIkA meM ! aura kahA thA ki " yaha aMtima jJAna Apako de rahA huuN| aba isase Age kucha bhI jAnanA bAkI nahIM rhtaa| yadi ekz2ekTa 'maiM', bAvo aura maMgaladAsa kI jAgRti meM rahoge to jJAnI kI taraha, hamArI taraha raha sakoge ! " aisA guhya rahasya kisI bhI zAstra meM nahIM batAyA gayA hai| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki isa rahasya ko batAne ke lie... hama isalie raha gae ki isa kAla kI vajaha se hamArI pUrNAhuti nahIM huii| varnA pUrNa pada vAle to kucha kahe binA hI mokSa meM cale jAte haiM ! dAdAzrI khuda kI AMtarika Atmika dazA kA varNana karate hue batAte haiM ki 'hama saMpUrNa 360 DigrI kI dazA meM rahate haiM! aura darzana hote haiM 356 DigrI kI dazA ke ! isalie darzana karane vAle ko bahuta phAyadA hotA hai / aise darzana kahA~ se mileMge ?' 74

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dasa lAkha sAloM bAda prakaTa hue haiM ye akrama jJAnI! maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa kA z2abaradasta vijJAna nikalA hai| yaha aMtima vijJAna hai| jaise ki mIThe pAnI ke barasAta se sArA hI dhAna uga nikalatA hai, usa jaisA! 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' kI bAta pahalI bAra hI prakaTa ho rahI hai| dAdAzrI ke hRdaya meM sAloM se yaha vyathA thI ki kisa taraha se yaha guhya vijJAna sabhI ko samajhAU~ ?! usa prakAra maMthana karate-karate 'maiM' 'bAvo' aura 'maMgaladAsa' ke rUpa meM nikalA aura saba seTa ho gayA! jagat ke bhI z2abaradasta puNya haiM ki dAdAzrI deha chor3ane se pUrva yaha guhya jJAna batAte gae! dhanya hai una mahAtmAoM ko jinhoMne pratyakSa maiM, bAvo aura maMgaladAsa kA yaha satsaMga sunA aura dhanya-dhanya hai una sabhI mahAtmAoM ko jinakI jAgRti meM yaha jJAna niraMtara seTa ho gayA hai! 75

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58 laga ho cukA zaddha citta 3 Www 0 anukramaNikA [1] prajJA prajJA kI pahacAna yathArtha svarUpa se... 1 ye khoja, prajJA se yA buddhi se? 41 ajJA kA prAkaTya? 3 prajJA sAvadhAna karatI hai ahaMkAra... 42 prajJA jar3a hai yA cetana? 5 dAdA kA nididhyAsana karavAe prajJA 43 nahIM hai vaha samyak buddhi 6 zuddha citta, vahI zuddhAtmA! 44 jJAna ke bAda ajJAzakti kI sthiti 8 dAdA kI prajJA kI anokhI zakti 47 paMcAjJA kA pAlana karavAne vAlA.. 9 samabhAva se nikAla meM prajJA kA rola 50 judA hI rakhe, vaha prajJA 10 nizcaya, ajJA-prajJA ke 51 aMdara jo sAvadhAna karatA hai, vahI.. 12 prajJA meM kisa prakAra se raheM tanmaya? 53 prajJA se ulTA kauna calAtA hai? 13 prajJA kauna se bhAga ko saceta... 55 prajJA aura divyacakSu 14 bhUla ke sAmane pratibhAva kisakA? 55 ajJAnI ko kauna saceta karatA hai? 14 prajJA ke pariNAma kauna bhogatA hai? 56 pachatAvA kise hotA hai? 15 donoM alaga haiM, vedaka aura jJAyaka 57 vicAra aura prajJA bilkula... 17 prajJA pariSaha dekhane vAle ko thakAna kaisI? 18 zraddhA va prajJA kI sUkSma samajha 19 saMbaMdha sUjha aura prajJA ke bIca pharka AsamAna-z2amIna kA 20 vaha hai darzana, sUjha nahIM hai buddhi kA sunane meM sAvadhAna 22 kyA ajJA hI ajJAna hai? prajJA svataMtra hai buddhi se! 23 prajJA na to riyala hai, na hI rileTiva 64 prajJA kI sirpha jJAnakriyAe~ 24 bheda, bhedajJAna aura prajJA meM buddhi se bar3I hai prajJA, usase bhI.. 24 'aisA' karane se buddhi mara jAegI 66 adhyAtma meM buddhi kA sahArA 25 zuddhAtmA, pratiSThita AtmA aura prajJA 67 saMsAra calAtI hai buddhi 27 jJAyakatA kisakI? kyA samyak buddhi aura prajJA eka.. 28 jugala jor3I, jAgRti aura prajJA kI 68 samyak buddhi meM mAlikI bhAva 29 ajJAzakti kI jar3a 69 sthitaprajJa dazA aura prakaTa prajJA 31 vaha nahIM hai prajJA akrama meM to bahuta ucca dazA 33 dAdA kI khaTapaTa vAlI prajJA jo nahIM khAtA, nahIM pItA aura.. 35 kRpA kA rahasya / 71 ninyAnave taka sthitaprajJa aura prajJA.. 36 jagat kalyANa meM ahaMkAra nimitta.. 74 moha miTA aura hue sthira acala meM 37 taba taka prajJA hI jJAtA-dRSTA 75 jaba taka zaMkA, tabhI taka sthitaajJa 38 ___ dhyAtA kauna hai aura dhyAna kisakA? 77 sthitaprajJa dazA se Age 38 jJAna, vijJAna aura prajJA / ahaMkAra kA sthAna sthitaprajJa meM? 40 buddhi se bheda, prajJA se abheda pharka, sthitaprajJa aura vItarAga meM 40 abhedatA kI prApti arthAt ? [2.1] rAga-dveSa saMsAra kA rUTakaoNz2a - ajJAna 82 rAga, Asakti - paramANu kA... 85 dehadhArI hI banatA hai vItarAga 82 nahIM hai zuddhAtmA ko rAga-dveSa 87 akrama meM rAga-dveSa rahita dazA 84 tabhI prApta ho sakatA hai mokSa kA... 89 65 68 69 76

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98 115 'nahIM hai merA' kahA, tabhI se... 90 rAga-dveSa haiM vyatireka guNa mana ke virodha ke sAmane... 90 pudgala meM rAga-dveSa nahIM, vahI jJAna 99 mahAtmAoM meM nahIM rahe rAga-dveSa 91 jJAnaprakAza ko nahIM hai mUrchA 100 phira vaha hai bharA huA mAla 93 jo rAga-dveSa rahita hai, vaha hai... 101 viSaya graMthi chedana, vahA~ nija... 94 jitanA roga utanA rAga 102 sau pratizata, jA cuke haiM rAga-dveSa 96 rAga-dveSa rahita, vahI zuddha jJAna 103 lar3ate-karate haiM to bhI vItarAga 97 __ [2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda ahaMkAra ekAkAra ho tabhI rAga-dveSa 105 upekSA se zurU vItarAgatA kI rAha 109 nahIM rahe rAga-dveSa, akrama vijJAna.. 105 upekSA se Age hai udAsInatA 112 bhAe yA na bhAe to usameM... 106 jahA~ rAga-dveSa, vahA~ yAdeM dAdA kI pasaMda-nApasaMda 107 pharka, sneha aura rAga meM 116 [2.3] vItadveSa paribhASA rAga-dveSa kI 118 bacce pUrva janma ke dveSa kA pariNAma 132 jela ke prati rAga hotA hai? 118 rAga meM se dveSa, dveSa meM se rAga 133 mUlataH dveSa hI bhaTakAtA hai 120 akrama vijJAna ne banAyA vItadveSa 136 dveSa hI jananI hai rAga kI 120 vItadveSa kyoM nahIM? 138 pahale dveSa, sUkSma meM 121 'maiM caMdU hU~' meM rAga, to svarUpa... 139 aura rAga meM pasaMda khuda kI 123 bane vItadveSa jJAna milate hI 139 cAra kaSAya hI haiM dveSa 124 vItadveSa ke bAda bacA DiscArja rAga 140 bhUkha kA mUla kAraNa dveSa 127 jisakA aTaika gayA vaha bhagavAna... 141 vaha saba hai azAtA vedanIya 130 rAga-dveSa ke bhogavaToM kA anokhA...142 dveSa hI pahale, bAda meM rAga 131 yaha hai saMpUrNa vijJAna 143 [2.4] prazasta rAga jo kabhI bhI bhUlA na jA sake, vaha..144 vItarAga ke prati prasthAna 152 jJAnI ke lie bAvarApana / 145 jJAnI hI terA AtmA 153 prazasta rAga, vaha sTepiMga hai 147 jJAna milate hI dAdA para rAga 153 prazasta rAga aura prazasta moha 148 prazasta rAga hI isa kAla meM mokSa 154 jJAnI kI bhakti, vaha zuddha lobha 148 paramArtha rAga se milate haiM jJAnI 155 bhagavAna ne bhI prazaMsA kI hai.. 151 [2.5] vItarAgatA rAga meM vItarAga 156 vItarAgatA kaba aura kisa prakAra.. 160 prazasta rAga kI vajaha se nahIM hai.. 157 vItarAga dRSTi se vItarAgatA 162 samatva kI samAlocanA 157 'maiM' aura 'merA' jAne para vItarAga 164 udAsInatA se zuruAta 158 mukta chor3a de tere zarIra ko 167 dAdA dekheM vizAlatA se aura... 159 samyak darzana aura AtmasAkSAtkAra 169 77

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kyA pratiSThita AtmA vItarAga bana.. 169 karuNA kI parAkASThA kahA~ 177 spaSTa paribhASAe~ vItarAgatA kI 170 jagat kA kalyANa hokara hI... 179 kisa AdhAra para ve bane vItarAga? 171 bIr3A uThAyA hai hamane jagat.... 180 vItarAgatva prApti kI rAha 172 gurupUnama ke dina pUrNa advaitabhAva... 181 jo vItarAga aura nirbhaya ho jAe... 173 phira bhI rahA pharka caudasa aura... 182 vItarAgatA, vaha dazA hai 175 __ [3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala! jahA~ zabda va vANI thama jAe~... 184 cetana bhAva vAlA pudgala 194 bhUla pakar3ane vAlA kauna? 184 paramANu zuddha karane haiM lekina... 195 kacarA kauna dikhAegA? 186 sAbuna bhI khuda aura kapar3A bhI khuda197 jo parAkrama karatA hai, vaha bhI... 188 dAdA karate haiM sIdhA khulAsA 199 karatA hai pudgala, aura mAnatA hai... 190 jJAna kI khAna meM se anamola ratana 199 zraddhA-darzana-anubhava-vartana 192 [4] jJAna-ajJAna mUlabhUta bheda, jJAna-ajJAna meM 201 jJAna arthAt prakAza, samajha nahIM 231 jisameM chAyA na par3e aisA ujAlA 202 ajJAna kisa prakAra se pudgala hai? 232 jJAna kauna letA hai? 203 ajJAna hI bar3A AvaraNa 234 isameM 'khuda' kauna hai? 206 jJAnI hI samajhA sakate haiM jJAna 234 ahaMkAra kisa taraha khatma karanA hai?207 jJAna prApti kA ekamAtra sAdhana... 234 ajJAna kA preraka kauna? 208 zuddha jJAna vahI paramAtmA 236 jagat kA adhiSThAna 208 zubhAzubha jJAna 237 donoM kA Adi vijJAna 209 nayA jJAna grahaNa karatA hai yA sirpha...239 ahaMkAra kI utpatti riyala jJAna - rileTiva jJAna 240 jJAna, sva-para prakAzaka | AvaraNa khisakane se prakaTa hotA... 241 jJAna sahaja hai, socA huA nahIM zuddha jJAna rakhatA hai milAvaTa rahita 243 z2arUrI hai 'baMdhana kA jJAna' honA 214 zuddha jJAna hI AtmA 244 mAyA kA sahI svarUpa 215 jJAna ke prakAra yathArtha svarUpa ajJAna kA jJAna-vijJAna ke pariNAma 247 AdhAra detA hai ajJAna ko... 218 z2arUrata hai vijJAna svarUpa AtmA... 249 pharka hai bhrAMti aura ajJAnatA meM 219 kevalajJAna svarUpa meM, vahI lakSa 249 kyA AyA huA jJAna calA... 221 na hAre kabhI vItarAga kisI cIz2a...250 jJAna kA aMta hai, ajJAna kA nahIM! 222 mahAtmAoM ke lie 'svarUpa jJAna'...251 ajJAna ke AdhAra para rukA hai mokSa 223 DiscArja mAna ke sAmane jJAna jAgRti252 jagat ke pAsa hai, buddhijanya jJAna 224 sabhI jJAniyoM kA puruSArtha eka... 254 kriyA vAlA jJAna, hai mAtra ajJAna 225 Aja kA jJAna alaga, to kaSAya... 255 sthiti taba kI, jaba sUrata sTezana...226 ajJAna se parigraha, parigraha se... 256 AtmA : svAdhIna-parAdhIna 227 gatajJAna ke AdhAra para parAkrama 256 'khuda' kyA hai? 228 ___78 244

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 301 m mmm 310 311 paribhASA ratnatraya kI 258 kyA kamI hai mahAtmAoM meM? 272 AtmA kA darzana, anubhava aura... 260 yoM anubhava se prakaTa hotA hai jJAna 273 AtmA kA anubhava : tapa aura cAritra 263 kramika meM jJAna-darzana-jJAna-cAritra 276 darzana kisakA kahalAtA hai? 264 kramika meM rileTiva meM se riyala 278 sat meM samA jAte haiM ye tInoM hI 265 akrama meM svayaM kriyAkArI jJAna 279 nija prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA, vahI... 267 guhya, guhyatara aura guhyatama jJAna 281 samajha, anubhava-lakSa-pratIti kI 269 / [5.2] cAritra vItarAgoM kA yathArtha vyavahAra cAritra 283 vyavahAra cAritra bheda, vyavahAra aura nizcaya cAritra kA284 mahAtmAoM kA cAritra 303 cAritra kI yathArtha paribhASA 286 taba udaya hotA hai cAritra kA 305 kramika meM vyavahAra cAritra se nizcaya... 287 cAritra ke lakSaNa 306 mithyA jJAna-mithyA darzana-mithyA... 288 taba mAnA jAegA ki samyak... 308 nizcaya cAritra jagat ne dekhA hI... 290 parakha cAritra bala kI 308 vItarAgoM kA cAritra hai arUpI 291 taba AegA nizcaya meM kImata hai nizcaya cAritra kI 292 nija svabhAva kA akhaMDa jJAna jJAtA-dRSTA, vaha vAstavika cAritra 295 dAdA kA cAritra 311 jo cAritra moha ko dekhatA hai... 296 samajha, astitva aura cAritra kI 313 cAritra mohanIya haTane se prakaTa... 297 mokSa kA mArga eka hI samyak darzana kI z2arUrata hai nIMva... 298 yathAkhyAta cAritra 315 vaha hai viparIta jJAna... 300 aMtara, kevala aura samyak cAritra meM316 nahIM karanA hai vikAsa AtmaguNoM... 301 [6] nirAlaMba AdhAra-AdhArita ke saMbaMdha se TikA...318 AtmA kI khurAka? 332 duniyA meM kauna sA AdhAra... 319 maiM, AtmA aura baiThaka 335 cala bhAI, nijaghara meM 320 sUkSma dAdA, nididhyAsana ke rUpa meM 338 nirAlaMba AtmA kaisA hotA hai? 321 jJAnI kI vANI hI hai aMtima... 342 AlaMbana-guru yA zAstroM kA? 322 bhagavAna jJAnI ke vaza meM yogI ko kisakA avalaMbana? 323 bAta ko mAtra samajho... 343 phira nahIM buddhi kA AlaMbana 324 sabhI meM 'maiM' ko hI dekhe, vaha... 344 jagat jIvita hai AlaMbana se 324 parAvalaMbana-AlaMbana-nirAlaMbana nirAlaMbI dazA 326 deha ke AlaMbana 347 maiM hI bhagavAna hU~, vaha nirAlaMba 327 saMjJA se mUla AtmA ko pahu~catA... 347 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha zabdAvalaMbana 328 z2arA sA hI dUra hai rAjamahala 348 aMta meM anubhava aura anubhavI eka..330 bhagavAna mahAvIra pUrNa nirAlaMba 350 zabdAvalaMbana ke bAda mokSa eka-do..332 aMtara, zuddhAtmA aura paramAtmA meM 351 314 342 345 79

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maiM dAdA bhagavAna jaisA zuddhAtmA 351 aMta meM chUTe jJAnI kA avalaMbana 372 caudahaveM guNasthAnaka meM nirapekSa 352 vyavahAra va nizcaya ke AlaMbana 372 zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana kise? 353 AjJA-cAritra meM se daraasala meM 375 nirAlaMba kI prApti ke lie... 354 rileTiva meM se ebsalyUTa kI tarapha 375 aMta meM satsaMga bhI AlaMbana 356 thiarama oNpha ebsalyUTiz2ama 380 aMtara, AdhAra aura AlaMbana meM 357 jahA~ nirAlaMba dazA, vahA~ nirbhayatA...381 AdhAra-AdhArI kI samajha 359 nirAlaMba vahI kevalajJAna svarUpI... 382 kisa rAste se ho sakate haiM nirAlaMba?360 isIlie phela hue kevalajJAna meM 385 hU~pha kA svarUpa 366 aMta meM vijJAna svarUpa 386 yadi hU~pha lo to jJAnI kI hI 370 [7] 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' pahacAna, 'maiM, bAvA aura... 388 pahu~ce paramAtmA ke porca meM 420 jo badalatA hai, vaha hai 'bAvA' 389 para aura sva kA kSetra 421 ye sabhI khela kisake haiM? 392 aMta meM bAvA! nahIM rahatI hai bAvI 422 do mana : 'bAvA' kA aura... 395 jIvana bane sugaMdhita 424 tIrthaMkara, vaha hai karma 397 aba huA vizvAsa, mukti kA 425 jo mokSa DhU~Dha rahA hai : mokSa svarUpa...400 'bAvA' zuddha to 'maiM' zuddha 426 pudgala bhI bana jAtA hai bhagavAna 401 'maiM' aura 'bAvA' tIna sau sATha para..430 sva-doSa dikhane lageM, tabhI se... 402 DigrI kisakI hai? kitanI? 430 isa prakAra potApaNuM rakhavAtA hai... 404 ...taba se Dresa vAlA bAvA 436 jo baMdhA huA hai vaha 'yaha' hai 405 'maMgaladAsa' para kyA asara? 439 nahIM pUchane cAhie bekAra ke prazna... 406 kauna sI DigrI para, jJAnI pada va... 443 bAvA aura maMgaladAsa kI spaSTatA 407 bheda. tIna sau sATha aura tIna sau... 444 sarva zAstroM kA sAra itane meM 409 'maiM', 'bAvA' aura 'maMgaladAsa'... 445 brahma, brahmA, bhramita 'dAdA bhagavAna' aura 'dAdA bAvo' 450 parsanala, imparsanala aura ebsalyUTa 411 taba jJAna prakaTa hotA jAegA 451 roMga bilIpha se hai impyora sola 413 itanA pharka hai, jJAnI aura bhagavAna meM452 kevalajJAna ke bAda abheda svarUpa meM414 prakaTa huA caudaha loka kA nAtha 452 'hama' aura 'Apa' donoM bAvA 415 jJAnIpuruSa, vahI dehadhArI paramAtmA 453 khAne vAlA, vedane vAlA aura jAnane...416 nahIM hai jaldabAjI kevalajJAna kI 455 mamatA, vaha bAvA hai 417 jJAnI kI karuNA 455 zuddhAtmA se prArthanA, bAvA kI 417 khulA rahasya akrama vijJAna ke... 456 aba nikAlI bAvApada 418 tamAma zAstroM kA sAra, maiM bAvA... 457 410

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AptavANI zreNI-13 (uttarArdha) [1] prajJA prajJA kI pahacAna yathArtha svarUpa se... praznakartA : yaha jo dhyAna rahatA hai ki 'merA svarUpa yaha hai aura yaha dUsarA hai'| satata vaha jo dhyAna rahatA hai, vaha kauna se bhAga meM hai? vaha kauna sA bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to prajJA dikhAtI hai| prajJA sabhI kucha dikhAtI hai| ye sabakucha alaga-alaga dikhAtI hai| praznakartA : usakA bhI dhyAna rahatA hai ki ina donoM ko jo bhinna dikhA rahI hai, vaha bhI maiM nahIM huuN| maiM yaha huuN| dAdAzrI : vaha to ThIka hai, prajJA dikhAtI hai| praznakartA : prajJA kaise utpanna hotI hai aura kahA~ se utpanna huI? dAdAzrI : vaha to, jaba 'hama' jJAna dete haiM tabhI utpanna ho jAtI hai| jJAna se prajJA utpanna ho gii| prajJA kA kAma zurU ho gyaa| do zaktiyA~ haiM aMdara! jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba prajJAzakti utpanna

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ho jAtI hai| varnA ajJAzakti to jIvamAtra meM hotI hI hai yAnI ki jaba 'maiM' aura 'mUrti' donoM eka ho jAe~, taba use ajJAzakti kahate haiN| saMsAra khar3A karane vAlI ajJAzakti hai| vaha saMsAra ke bAhara nikalane nahIM detii| prajJAzakti use saMsAra meM rahane nahIM detii| mAra-Thokakara, khIMcakara, yoM bA~dhakara mokSa meM le jAtI hai| ataH yaha jo zakti utpanna huI hai, vaha kAma karatI rahatI hai| usameM 'hameM' dakhala nahIM karanI hai bIca meN| apane Apa kAma ho hI rahA hai, sahaja rUpa se kAma ho rahA hai| jJAnIpuruSa jaba igoiz2ama nikAla dete haiM, usake bAda prajJA utpanna hotI hai| igoiz2ama aura mamatA, ve ajJAzakti kI dekha-bhAla meM haiN| jaba prajJA utpanna hotI hai taba ajJA nAma kI zakti apanA sabakucha sameTakara, jhAr3a-buhArakara jAne lagatI hai! jaise kAMgresa gavarmenTa ke Ane para sabhI aMgreja cale gae the na! bhagavAna ne kyA kahA hai ki baMdha (baMdhana) kisakI vajaha se hai? ajJA kI vajaha se baMdha hai| yaha saMsArabaMdha ajJA se ho rahA hai| ajJA se pApa-puNya kI racanA hotI hai| ajJA, aura usakA pratipakSI zabda hai mukti, vaha prajJA se hotI hai| vaha prajJA niraMtara 'Apako' sAvadhAna karatI hai| pahale vaha nahIM thii| pahale ajJA thii| yaha jo ajJA hai vaha khuda ulTA hI ulTA lapeTatI rahatI hai| ajJA se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA, prajJA se saMsAra kA nAza ho jAtA hai| ajJA se ahaMkAra hai| niahaMkArI hone ke bAda prajJA utpanna hotI hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', usakA lakSya baiThane ke bAda prajJAzakti utpanna hotI hai| __ aba ajJA meM kyA hotA hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyA, maiMne duHkha bhogA, usane kiyA, usane gAliyA~ dI mujhe'| prajJA kyA kahatI hai ki 'maiM kartA nahIM hU~, maiM bhoktA nahIM hU~, maiM jJAtA huuN'| sAmane vAle ne mujhe gAliyA~ dIM to vaha nimitta hai becArA, vaha bhI kartA nahIM hai| vaha saba se aMtima prakAra kA jJAna hai| sAmane vAlA kartA nahIM dikhAI de aura khuda bhI kartA nahIM hai, aisA bhAna rahA to vaha mokSa kA saba se aMtima sAdhana hai| praznakartA : rAga-dveSa ko rAga-dveSa jAnanA, kyA use prajJA kA upayoga kahA jAegA? prajJA usa samaya upayoga meM rahatI hai?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : prajJA kA besamenTa to alaga hI hai| itanA to ajJAnI bhI samajhatA hai ki yaha rAga-dveSa kara rahA hai| 'rAga-dveSa cale gae haiM, use prajJA jAnatI hai| vaha ajJAnI ko samajha meM nahIM aataa| bAkI, choTA baccA bhI rAga-dveSa ko samajhatA hai na! hama mu~ha car3hAe~ to baccA calA jAtA hai, vApasa nahIM aataa| ajJA ke jAne para prajJA utpanna hotI hai| jagat ke jIvamAtra meM jaba taka mithyAtva hai, taba taka ajJA hai aura mithyAtva calA jAe, taba prajJA utpanna hotI hai| praznakartA : kyA saMsAra meM rahakara prajJA prakaTa nahIM ho sakatI? ajJA hI rahatI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| mahAtmAoM meM prajJA utpanna ho gaI hai| aba Apa saMsAra meM ho to bhI prajJA utpanna ho gaI hai na! ataH aba saMsAra meM jahA~jahA~ Apako baMdhana hai, hamezA Apako vahA~ se chur3avA degI, saceta krke| hameM agara koI jAgRti na rahe to aMdara se cetAvanI milatI hai, vaha prajJAzakti kA kAma hai aura jaba saMsAra vyApAra karatA hai taba ajJAzakti kahatI hai, 'aisA karo to zAdI ho pAegI, yoM mila jaaegaa'| ajJAzakti vaha cetAvanI detI hai lekina usase to saMsAra meM bhaTakanA hogA jabaki prajJA mokSa ke lie saceta karatI hai| praznakartA : sabhI Disiz2ana buddhi letI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, Disiz2ana buddhi letI hai lekina do prakAra ke ddisij'n| mokSamArga ke Disiz2ana prajJA letI hai aura sAMsArika Disiz2ana ajJA letI hai| ajJA arthAt buddhi| ajJA-prajJA ke Disiz2ana haiM ye saare| ajJA kA prAkaTya? praznakartA : jJAna aura prajJA meM pharka kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : prajJA to jJAna se utpanna hone vAlI eka zakti hai| prajJA AtmA kI hI DAyarekTa zakti hai, DAyarekTa lAiTa hai aura

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ajJA inaDAyarekTa lAiTa hai| TaoNpa para pahu~cI huI buddhi ajJA kahalAtI hai yA phira choTI se choTI buddhi se lekara bhI... vaha sArI ajJA hI hai| isake bAvajUda bhI vaha AtmA kI zakti hai| ajJAzakti AtmA kI zakti hai aura prajJA, vaha bhI AtmA kI zakti hai| praznakartA : usa zakti ko AtmA kI zakti kaise mAneMge? dAdAzrI : vizeSa pariNAma kI vajaha se ajJAzakti utpanna ho gaI hai| praznakartA : dAdA! kyA aisA nahIM hai ki zakti eka hI hai? yadi bAhara gaI to ajJA meM pariNAmita hotI hai aura khuda meM samA jAe to... dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| vaha ajJAzakti alaga hI hai lekina ve donoM hI AtmA kI zaktiyA~ haiM / jabaki pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) meM aisI koI zakti hai hI nahIM na! praznakartA : to usakA artha yaha hai ki ye jo sabhI zaktiyA~ haiM, ve sabhI AtmA kI hI zaktiyA~ haiM ? dAdAzrI : AtmA kI hI zaktiyA~ haiM lekina jaba taka AtmA vizeSa pariNAma meM pha~sA huA hai, taba taka ajJAzakti se bAhara nahIM nikala sakatA na! jaba ajJAzakti meM se bAhara nikalatA hai, khuda ko khuda kA bhAna hotA hai, taba ajJAzakti haTa jAtI hai| taba nija pariNAma utpanna hotA hai| usake bAda prajJAzakti kAma karatI hai| phira vaha saMsAra meM nahIM jAne detii| ataH donoM zaktiyA~ AtmA kI hI haiN| bAkI koI bAhara kI, anya kisI kI zakti hai hI nahIM ismeN| vaha prajJAzakti aura ajJAzakti donoM mAnI huI cIjeM haiM, bilIpha haiN| praznakartA : ajJAzakti kI zuruAta kyoM huI, usake pIche kyA hetu thA? dAdAzrI : mUla AtmA, aura use isa jar3a kA saMyoga prApta huaa|

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[1] prajJA cetana ke sAtha jar3a kA saMyoga huaa| usa saMyoga se vizeSa jJAna utpanna huaa| vahI hai ajJAzakti / praznakartA : ajJA aura prajJA, ina donoM meM se kisakA calatA hai ? dAdAzrI : donoM kA hI calatA hai| hara eka ke apane kSetra meM, apane-apane kSetra meM donoM kA hI calatA hai / praznakartA : prajJA aura pratiSThita AtmA meM pharka hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai / pratiSThita AtmA to yaha jo 'caMdUbhAI' hai, vaha hai aura prajJA to AtmA kA eka vibhAga hai| praznakartA : prajJA kA udbhava sthAna kauna sA ? dAdAzrI : usakA koI sthAna nahIM hotA, usakA to kAla (samaya) hotA hai / jisa samaya mithyAtva phrekcara ho jAtA hai, taba prajJA hAz2ira ho I jAtI hai| buddhi para AghAta lage to hAz2ira ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : kaI bAra bAtacIta meM hama aise zabdoM kA upayoga karate haiM na ki prajJA AtmA kA hI bhAga hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to hai hI na ! praznakartA : AtmA kA bhAga hai ? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA bhAga, usakA aisA artha nahIM nikAlanA hai / Apa apanI bhASA meM le jAte ho sabhI bAteM / vaha usakA svabhAva hai ki kisI kAla kA saMyoga huA ki prajJA khuda utpanna ho jAtI hai aura phira mokSa meM pahu~cAkara laya ho jAtI hai| yaha ajJA bhI utpanna huI hai aura laya ho jaaegii| jaba prajJA utpanna hotI hai, ajJA laya ho jAtI hai / jaise ki aMdhere ke bAda dina (ujAlA) AtA hai| taba I prajJA jar3a hai yA cetana ? praznakartA : to prajJA meM thor3A-bahuta vikalpa kA bhAga hai na ?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vikalpa se koI lenA-denA nahIM hai vahA~ pr| sabhI vikalpa ajJA haiN| isameM vikalpa vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM hai, nirvikalpI hai yh| cetana hai, jar3a nahIM hai| praznakartA : prajJA bhI pAvara cetana hI hai na? / dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha pAvara cetana nahIM hai, vaha mUla cetana hai lekina vaha mUla cetana meM se alaga huI hai, vaha bhI sirpha isa kArya ko pUrNa karane ke lie hii| usake bAda phira eka ho jAegI vaaps| praznakartA : prajJA pudgala nahIM hai? vaha AtmA aura pudgala ke bIca kA bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA aura pudgala ke bIca kA bhAga nahIM hai| AtmA kA eka bhAga alaga ho jAtA hai, jaba hama jJAna dete haiM usa din| mokSa meM le jAne taka AtmA isameM kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| ataH AtmA kA yaha bhAga usase alaga rahakara kAma karatA rahatA hai| AtmA ke sabhI adhikAra prajJA ke hAtha meM haiN| mukhtAranAme kI trh| praznakartA : to phira bhagavAna kyA karate haiM? ve to jJAtA-dRSTA haiN| kisI bhI cIz2a meM hAtha hI nahIM ddaalte| vItarAga haiN| dAdAzrI : hAtha DAlane ko rahatA hI nahIM na? prajJA to bhagavAna kI riprejenTeTiva jaisI hai| nahIM hai vaha samyak buddhi praznakartA : dAdA, kyA samyak buddhi hI prajJA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, prajJA usase ucca prakAra kA bhAga hai| prajJA to pratinidhi hai AtmA kii| abhI AtmA saMsAra meM se Apako mokSa le jAne ke lie khuda kucha bhI kAma nahIM krtaa| usI kA bhAga hai yaha prjnyaa| yaha prajJA hI Apako niraMtara mokSa meM le jAne ke lie saceta karatI rahatI hai|

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[1] prajJA vaha prajJA hai aura vahI mUla AtmA hai, lekina abhI vaha prajJA mAnI jAtI hai| mUla AtmA kI aisI koI kriyA nahIM hotI, jo mokSa meM le jaae| prajJA apanA kAma pUrA karane ke bAda vApasa jaisI thI vaise hI AtmA meM sthira ho jAtI hai| aba, hara eka jIva meM prajJA nahIM ho sktii| vaha to, jaba jJAnIpuruSa ApakA khuda kA svarUpa jAgRta kara dete haiM, taba prajJA utpanna hotI hai / jIvamAtra meM prajJA nahIM hotI para ajJA to rahatI hI hai| praznakartA : prajJA kA kAma yahI hai na ki vaha ajJA ko ghusane na de ? dAdAzrI : ajJA ko ghusane dene kI to bAta hI nahIM hai| ajJA ko to vahA~ para ghusane hI nahIM detI lekina isake sAtha hI mokSa meM le jAne kA kAma hai uskaa| ajJAna utpanna ho jAe to use dabAkara, use samajhAkara mokSa kI tarapha le jAtI hai| jabaki ajJA kA kAma kyA hai ki thor3Ibahuta bhI lAiTa hone lage to vahA~ aMdherA kara detI hai, vaha 'use' saMsAra meM le jAtI hai| ataH hameM ajJAzakti kI tarapha nahIM rahanA hai| ajJAzakti ne to saMsAra meM bhaTakA mArA hai / ajJAzakti ke pAsa krodha - mAna-mAyA- - lobha vagairaha sabhI hathiyAra haiM / ahaMkAra bahuta vikaTa hotA hai / vaha pUrA lazkara hai j'brdst| prajJAzakti meM ahaMkAra nahIM hai isIlie 'hameM' khuda ko hAz2ira rahanA caahie| hama agara isa pakSa meM raheMge, to prajJAzakti aisI hai ki hAregI nahIM / vaha apanA kAma karatI hI rahegI / yaha sArA upazama bhAva hai isalie aMdara caMcalatA khar3I huI ki turaMta daravAz2e baMda kara dene haiM / varnA agara koI khuda jAna-bUjhakara ulTA kare ki 'aba mujhe rAga- - dveSa karane haiM', to prajJA vahA~ se haTa jAtI hai| prajJAzakti ko koI rukAvaTa na Ae, sirpha isalie jJAnIpuruSa kA anusaraNa karanA hai| isase vaha zakti maz2abUta hotI jaaegii| isa zakti ko koI parezAnI nahIM AnI caahie| abhI to basa AI hI ho aura agara koI parezAnI A gaI to calI jAegI /

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jJAna ke bAda ajJAzakti kI sthiti praznakartA : isakA matalaba jJAna ke bAda ajJA aura prajJA donoM sAtha meM rahate haiN| ajJA hotI hai taba prajJA nahIM hotI aura jaba prajJA hotI hai taba ajJA nahIM hotI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, donoM sAtha meM rahatI haiN| unameM khiMcAtAnI calatI rahatI hai| Apako yaha jJAna diyA hai, phira bhI deha meM donoM sAtha meM rahatI haiN| ataH yaha jo ajJA hai, usakI vajaha se thor3A saphokezana hotA hai, ghuTana hotI hai| dhIre-dhIre aba usa ajJAzakti kA nAza ho jAegA, aura prajJA bar3hatI jaaegii| praznakartA : ulajhana hotI hai taba aisA lagatA hai ki ajJAzakti jAne vAlI hai| dAdAzrI : jaba ulajhana hotI hai usa samaya ajJAzakti hai| phira jaba usakA kucha nahIM calatA hai to vaha ulajhana meM par3a jAtI hai aura bAda meM khatma ho jAtI hai| jaba taka ajJAna hai taba taka vaha ajJAzakti rahegI aura ajJAzakti jitanI kama huI, prajJAzakti utanI hI mukta huii| ajJA zakti kI vajaha se saphokezana aura ghuTana hotI hai ajJAzakti kI vajaha se| vaha apanA kucha le nahIM jAtI lekina usakI vajaha se ghuTana hotI hai isalie jo sukha A rahA ho, use Ane nahIM detii| AtmA ke sAtha baiThe haiM to sukha AnA cAhie, vedana honA cAhie lekina nahIM hone detii| use ghuTana hone detI hai| ciMtA nahIM karavAtI, usakI vajaha se sirpha ghuTana hotI hai| pahale jo hameM saMsAra kI sabhI icchAe~ utpanna huI thIM, una icchAoM ko pUrNa karane ke lie ajJAzakti kAma kara rahI hai lekina aba ajJAzakti kA z2ora bilkula bhI nahIM bddh'egaa| aisA nahIM hai ki usameM se anya icchAe~ utpanna ho jaaeN| ataH aisA nahIM hai ki bIja meM se bIja pdd'eN| jo haiM, vahI ke vahI aura sAtha-sAtha prajJAzakti hama se kahatI hai, 'mujhe nikAla kara hI denA hai ina saba kaa| aba penDiMga nahIM rakhanA hai, bhaaii'| nikAla arthAt jise kahate haiM na, nipaTArA kara denA!

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[1] prajJA paMcAjJA kA pAlana karavAne vAlA kauna hai? merI ajJAzakti khatma ho cukI hai, hama meM buddhi khatma ho cukI hai, buddhi hama meM hai hI nhiiN| sAinTisTa bhI yaha nahIM mAnate ki hamArI buddhi khatma ho gaI hai| koI mAnegA hI nahIM na! buddhi kaise khatma ho sakatI hai? praznakartA : ajJA kisI meM kama yA jyAdA ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : ajJA to kama-z2yAdA ho sakatI hai sabhI meN| yaha jJAna milane ke bAda prajJA to turaMta hI kAma karane lagatI hai| usake bAda usakA' puruSArtha kisa tarapha hai, puruSArtha arthAt pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana krnaa| puruSa hone ke bAda puruSArtha nahIM kare to usakI khuda kI hI bhUla hai na! jJAna milane ke bAda puruSa ho gayA, aisA kahA jAegA aura puruSa hone ke bAda AjJA pAlana karane se vaha puruSottama hotA jAtA hai| jo puruSottama ho jAe, vahI paramAtmA hai| rAstA suvyavasthita vAlA hAIve hI hai na! praznakartA : AjJA kA pAlana kauna karatA hai, pratiSThita AtmA hI pAlana karatA hai na? dAdAzrI : pratiSThita AtmA ke lie AjJA pAlana kA prazna hI kahA~ hai isameM? yaha to Apako jo AjJA kA pAlana karanA hai, vaha ApakA jo prajJA svabhAva hai, vahI Apase sabakucha karavAtA hai| AtmA kI prajJA nAmaka zakti hai, to phira aura kyA rahA usameM ? bIca meM kisI kI dakhala hai hI nahIM na! AjJA kA pAlana karanA hai| ajJAzakti jo nahIM karane de rahI thI, vaha prajJAzakti karane detI hai| AjJA pAlana karane se Apako pratIti meM rahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| aura vaha lakSa (jAgRti) meM hai lekina anubhava meM kama hai| usa rUpa hue nahIM ho abhii| usake lie, jaba pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karoge taba usa rUpa ho paaoge| ataH anya kucha bhI karanA bAkI nahIM rhaa| ataH AjJA hI dharma aura AjJA hI tp| jaba taka tapa hai, taba taka prajJA hai| taba taka mUla svarUpa nahIM hai| AtmA meM vaha tapa nAmaka guNa hai hI nahIM, prajJA tapa karavAtI hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : yaha jJAna lene ke bAda mahAtmAoM ko aisA lakSa rahatA hai ki vaha khuda zarIra se judA hai| zuddhAtmA kA lakSa (jAgRti) A gayA hai aura usake bAda dekhane kI jo sabhI kriyAe~ calatI rahatI haiM, ve saba prajJA se hotI haiM na? dAdAzrI : sArA prajJAzakti kA hI kAma hai| praznakartA : to isakA artha yaha huA ki jJAna kriyA se dekhanA, vaha to bahuta dUra rahA? dAdAzrI : vahI, abhI prajJAzakti kI hI jJAna kriyA hai| jo vAstavika jJAna kriyA hai, vaha to jaba ina sabhI phAiloM kA nikAla ho jAegA taba vaha jJAna kriyA ho paaegii| praznakartA : AptavANI meM par3hA hai ki jo azuddha hai, azubha hai va zubha hai, una sabhI kriyAoM ko jo jAnatI hai, vaha buddhi kriyA hai aura jo sirpha zuddha ko hI jAnatI hai, vaha jJAna kriyA hai isalie mujhe aisA lagA ki hamArI prajJA saba dekhatI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, prajJA se| vaha jo prajJA hai, vaha kucha hada taka, jaba taka phAiloM kA nikAla karatA hai taba taka prajJA rahatI hai| phAileM khatma ho jAne ke bAda AtmA hI khuda jAnatA hai| praznakartA : isakA matalaba yaha prajJA mokSa ke daravAje taka madada karane ke lie hai? dAdAzrI : daravAz2e taka nahIM, aMta meM mokSa meM biThA detI hai| hA~, pUrNAhuti karavAne vAlI yaha prajJA hI hai| praznakartA : mokSa meM jAne ke bAda prajJAzakti vApasa AtI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha zakti mokSa meM pahu~cAne taka hI rahatI hai (yAnI 'kevalajJAna hone taka hI' samajhanA hai)! judA hI rakhe, vaha prajJA praznakartA : hama ekAkAra na hoM, usakA dhyAna to prajJA rakhatI hai na?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : hA~, prajJA alaga hI rakhatI hai, ekAkAra na ho jAe usI kA hI jJAna diyA hai aapko| prajJA Apako saceta karatI hai| jaba bhUla ho jAe usa samaya Apako saceta karatI hai, bs| praznakartA : saceta honA hai, aisA kisa taraha se kahatI hai? dAdAzrI : jAgRta rahanA hai| ekAkAra na ho jAe 'usake' saath| praznakartA : hA~, vizeSa bhAva ke sAtha ekAkAra na ho jaae| to yaha kriyA AtmA kI nahIM huI dAdA? dAdAzrI : AtmA kI kriyA mAnI hI nahIM jAtI kisI meM bhii| praznakartA : saceta karane kI kriyA AtmA kI hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : saceta karane kI kriyA to svAbhAvika kriyA hai| praznakartA : prajJA kI nahIM hai? AtmA kI yA prajJA kI? dAdAzrI : vaha to prajJA kI hai| saba eka hI hai na! vAstava meM isameM anya kucha hai hI nhiiN| hama saceta rahane ko nahIM kahate? upayoga rkho| upayoga arthAt vahA~ saceta rahanA hai| praznakartA : ye jo tanmayAkAra ho jAte haiM, vaha? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI ajJAzakti hai aura jo tanmayAkAra nahIM hone de, vaha prajJAzakti hai| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA hone ke bAda apane hAtha meM mAtra 'dekhanA' hI rahA na? dAdAzrI : dekhane aura samajhane kI vaha sArI zakti prajJA kI hai| zuddhAtmA kI jo zakti utpanna hotI hai, vaha prajJAzakti hai aura ahaMkAra kI jo zakti hai, vaha ajJAzakti hai| vaha buddhi ke rUpa meM hotI hai| hara kahIM phAyadA aura nukasAna hI dikhAtI hai| basa meM baiThe to vahA~ bhI phAyadA-nukasAna dikhAne lagatI hai| khAnA khAne jAe to vahA~ bhI phAyadAnukasAna dikhAtI hai|

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12 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : Apa jo samajhAte haiM, vaha kise pahu~catA hai ? deha ko yA AtmA ko? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko hI na! para vaha kauna sA AtmA? jo zuddhAtmA hai, vaha nahIM, prajJA nAmaka jo zakti hai, usake sAtha satsaMga calatA rahatA hai| deha ko bhI nahIM, deha aura AtmA donoM ke bIca kI jo zakti hai, use pahu~catA hai| prajJAzakti hI samajhatI hai yh| yahA~ jo samajhAte haiM, use jo kaica karatI hai, vaha prajJAzakti hai| aMdara jo sAvadhAna karatA hai, vahI hai AtmAnubhava pUre dina sAvadhAna karatI hai, vahI prajJA hai| alaga hI karatI rahatI hai| itanA sArA anubhava, pUre dina kA anubhava hameM alaga kA alaga hI rakhatA hai| nahIM?! praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : eka nahIM hone detii| praznakartA : jaba se prajJA zurU huI hai, tabhI se AtmA ke anubhava kI zuruAta ho gaI na? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA anubhava ho hI jAtA hai| tabhI vaha saceta karatI hai na, varnA yaha lakSa (jAgRti) meM hI nahIM rahatA ki 'maiM AtmA huuN'| yaha to niraMtara lakSa meM rahatA hai aura niraMtara jAgRti hI rahatI hai| vaha lAiTa jalatI rahatI hai, lekina agara Apa dUsarI jagaha para cale jAo to usameM vaha kyA kare? aura AjJA pAlana kare to niraMtara lAiTa rahatI hI hai| yoM vijJAna ko pUrI taraha se samajha le to kAma kA hai! aMdara saceta karatI hai Apako? z2arA sA bhI idhara-udhara kiyA to saceta karatI hai| praznakartA : hA~, turaMta hI sAvadhAna karatI hai aNdr| yaha hamArA anubhava hai! dAdAzrI : aba yoM jo saceta karatI hai, usameM Apako aisA

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[1] prajJA 13 lagatA hai na ki Apa kucha nahIM karate phira bhI aisA calatA rahatA hai ! hara bAra bhUla hone para saceta karatI hai na! jahA~-jahA~ doSa hotA hai vahA~ para saceta karatI hai na! vaha kyA hai ? prjnyaa| doSa hote hI turaMta saceta karatI hai| ataH yaha jo vijJAna hai, vaha cetana vijJAna hai| jahA~ para zAstrajJAna hotA hai, vahA~ para hameM karanA par3atA hai| zAstra meM likhI huI cIz2a hameM karanI par3atI hai aura isameM Apako karanA nahIM pdd'taa| apane Apa hI hotA hai na! praznakartA : aba, yaha prajJA saceta karatI rahatI hai, vaisA anubhava to hotA hI hai lekina usake sAtha hI apane khuda ke puruSArtha kI bhI z2arUrata hai na? dAdAzrI : kaisA puruSArtha ? praznakartA : isa prajJA kI madada se patA calatA hai ki yaha galata ho gayA hai to phira vahA~ para pratikramaNa karake use sApha kara denA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa kA puruSArtha to rahatA hI hai| pratikramaNa ho hI jAte haiN| jisase atikramaNa hotA hai usase pratikramaNa kA puruSArtha hotA hI rahatA hai| puruSa puruSArtha dharma kA pAlana karatA hI rahatA hai| pratikramaNa ho hI jAtA hai| sahaja svabhAva se hotA rahatA hai aura agara nahIM hotA hai to use karanA caahie| usameM karane ko kucha bhI nahIM hai, sirpha bhAva hI karanA hai| ajAgRti hai to usake bajAya jAgRti meM rahanA hai| prajJA se ulTA kauna calAtA hai? praznakartA : prajJA saceta karatI hai, isake bAvajUda bhI usa anusAra nahIM hotA, to aise ulTA kauna karavAtA hai? dAdAzrI : agara usa anusAra nahIM hotA hai to hamane hI aise aMtarAya DAle hue haiN| to apanI icchA ho phira bhI vaisA nahIM ho paataa|

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14 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : ye saba aMtarAya DAle hue haiM, to usakA upAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jo ho gayA, vaha aMtarAya kA phala AyA hai| usa aMtarAya ko to bhugatanA hI par3egA lekina nae nahIM DAlane caahie| prajJA aura divyacakSu praznakartA : hama sabhI ko Apake dvArA pradAna kie gae divyacakSu se hama meM udbhava hone vAle krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha va abrahmacarya ke pariNAma dRSTigocara hote rahate haiN| kyA vaha divyacakSu hI prajJAzakti hai ? dAdAzrI : prajJAzakti se hI yaha dikhAI detA hai| jabaki divyacakSu to eka hI kAma karate haiM ki auroM meM zuddhAtmA dekhane kaa| bAkI kA yaha saba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, abrahmacarya ke pariNAma vagairaha sabhI aMdara dikhAI dete haiM, vaha saba prajJAzakti kA kAma hai| jaba taka saMsAra ke pariNAmoM kA nikAla karanA bAkI hai, taba taka yaha prajJA kAma karatI hai| divyacakSu to basa eka hI kAma karate haiN| ye camar3e ke cakSu rileTiva ko dikhAte haiM aura divyacakSu riyala ko dikhAte haiN| divyacakSu anya koI bhI kAma nahIM krte| ajJAnI ko kauna saceta karatA hai? praznakartA : kaI bAra aisA hotA hai, hamane kucha kharAba kAma kiyA ho na, to hameM aisA lagatA hai ki 'aisA nahIM honA caahie'| yaha kise hotA hai ? ahaMkAra ko hotA hai yA vAstava meM AtmA ko hotA hai? dAdAzrI : 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie', vaha AtmA ko nahIM hotaa| vaha, aMdara yaha jo prajJAzakti hai na, use hotA hai yAnI ki abhiprAya badala gayA ki 'aisA nahIM honA caahie'| yaha ahaMkAra kahatA hai, 'honA cAhie' aura yaha prajJA kahatI hai 'nahIM honA caahie'| donoM ke abhiprAya alaga-alaga haiN| yaha pUrva meM calA aura yaha pazcima meM claa| praznakartA : aba, jisane jJAna nahIM liyA hai, use bhI aisA lagatA

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[1] prajJA hai ki, 'aisA kAma nahIM karanA cAhie mujhe'| to phira kyA usakA khuda kA bhI ImAnadArI kA koI levala hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha to, usane jo jJAna jAnA hai na, vaha jJAna use batAtA hai, lekina vaha jJAna saphala (phala sahita) nahIM hotA, kriyAkArI nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : hA~, yAnI ki mujhe yaha jAnanA thA ki aisA kisa prakAra se hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna ugatA nahIM hai| vaha zuSkajJAna hai jabaki vijJAna ugatA hai| yaha vijJAna hai| pachatAvA kise hotA hai? AtmA ko jAna liyA, aba isake bAda aura kyA jAnanA bAkI hai? AtmA ko jAna liyA ki yaha bhAga AtmA hai aura yaha nahIM hai| jaba samabhAva se nikAla karatA hai usa samaya, vaha AtmA nahIM hai| praznakartA : yaha samabhAva se nikAla AtmA karatA hai yA caMdUbhAI karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJAzakti hai| AtmA ko to jaise kucha karanA hI nahIM hai| caMdUbhAI agara ugra ho jAe~, sakhtI kareM to Apako acchA nahIM lagatA ki 'aisA kyoM?' yaha AtmA hai aura jo ugra ho jAtA hai, vaha hai cNduubhaaii| praznakartA : gussA hone ke bAda jo pachatAvA karatA hai vaha guNa jar3a kA hai yA cetana kA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha guNa to jar3a kA bhI nahIM aura cetana kA bhI nahIM hai| vaha to prajJA kA svabhAva hai| ina jar3a aura cetana ke guNa aise nahIM hote| aisA gussA karane kA guNa nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : yaha jo pachatAvA hotA hai, vaha kauna karavAtA hai?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha saba prajJA karavAtI hai| praznakartA : ye pratikramaNa kauna karavAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha saba prajJA hI karavAtI hai| bhUleM dikhane lageM to bhagavAna bana jaae| bhUleM kisakI vajaha se dikhAI dene lagatI hai? vaha to, apanI prajJAzakti kI vajaha se| AtmA meM jo prajJAzakti rahI huI hai, usakI vajaha se sabhI bhUleM dikhane lagatI haiM aura vahI hameM bhUleM dikhAtI hai isIlie turaMta hama unakA niber3A le Ate haiN| hama kahate haiM ki 'bhAI pratikramaNa kro'| vaha prajJAzakti dAg2a dikhAtI hai, taba hama kahate haiM ki 'dho do, ise dho do| ina dAgoM ko dho do'| to phira sabhI dAgoM ko dho detA hai| pratikramaNa kiyA to sApha! praznakartA : akrama meM yaha jo sAmAyika karate haiM, usameM jo pichale sAre doSa dikhAI dete haiM, to sAmAyika meM dekhane vAlA vaha kauna hai ? AtmA yA prajJA? dAdAzrI : prjnyaa| AtmA kI shkti| jaba taka AtmA saMsAra meM kAma karatA hai taba taka vaha prajJA kahalAtA hai| mUla AtmA khuda nahIM karatA hai| praznakartA : Apa kaI bAra sAmayika meM baiThAkara trimaMtra bolane ko kahate haiM na, 'par3ho, namo arihaMtANaM karake', to kyA usa samaya AtmA hI vaha par3hatA hai ? aura jaba hama satsaMga kI pustaka par3hate haiM, AptavANI par3hate haiM, vaha zuddha citta par3hatA hai aura sAmAyika meM AtmA par3hatA hai, vaha eka samAna hI hai? dAdAzrI : mUla AtmA jo par3hatA hai, vaha alaga prakAra kA hai| yahA~ para AtmA kahane ke pIche hamArA bhAvArtha kyA hai ki rAste para lAne ke lie kahate haiN| ye indriyA~ nahIM haiM, aisA kahanA cAhate haiM lekina yaha mUla AtmA to, khuda kI buddhi kyA kara rahI hai, mana kyA kara rahA hai,

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[1] prajJA una sabhI ko jAnatA hai| vaha bhI vAstava meM mUla AtmA nahIM hai, apanI prajJA hai| vaha mUla AtmA kI zakti kahalAtI hai isalie vaha sabakucha jAnatI hai| 'vaha (AtmA) jAnatA hai' vaha sahI hai lekina yaha (prajJA se jAnA huA) bhI galata nahIM kahA jaaegaa| yahA~ para indriyA~ nahIM haiN| usI prakAra isameM mUla AtmA to bilkula hI nahIM hai| aisA to isa rAste para lAne ke lie kahate haiN| ataH ise rileTiva-riyala kahA jAegA! vicAra aura prajJA bilkula alaga-alaga praznakartA : aba agara koI vicAra Ae to vaha prajJAzakti ko AyA yA caMdUbhAI ko AyA, aisA kaise DisTiMgviza ho pAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, koI bhI vicAra prajJAzakti kA nahIM hotaa| vicAra to DiscArja hokara jAne ke lie Ate haiM sAre / vicAra DiscArja haiN| ve pratiSThita AtmA ke haiM, ve caMdUbhAI ke haiN| prajJAzakti to dekhatI hai ki kyA vicAra Ae! acche Ae yA kharAba Ae, unheM dekhatI hai| usameM gahare nahIM utaratI ataH vicAra jJeya bana jAte haiN| ve prajJAzakti ke lie jJeyasvarUpa haiN| jJeya arthAt jAnanA aura dRzya arthAt dekhnaa| vicAra jJeya aura dRzya haiM, aba hama jJAtA aura dRSTA haiN| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki aMdara mana bhI raDAra kI taraha dikhAtA hai to abhI mana batA rahA hai yA prajJA dikhA rahI hai, isa bheda ko kisa taraha samajheM? dAdAzrI : abhI kI bAta jAne do na! apanA jJAna prApta hone ke bAda prajJA hI hai| jo sabhI vicAroM se mukta karake mokSa kI tarapha le jAtI hai, use kahate haiM prajJA ! aura pahale ajJA nAma kI jo zakti thI jo mana ke thU baratatI (kArya karatI) thI, buddhi ke zrU baratatI thI, vaha saMsAra meM gaharAI taka le jAtI hai| ataH abhI jo prajJA nAma kI zakti hai to vaha isa ora le jAtI hai| mana ke jo vicAra haiM na, vaha prajJA kA kAma nahIM hai| vicAra Ate haiM yA nahIM Ate? praznakartA : Ate haiN| unheM to jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva se dekhate rahate haiN|

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18 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : dekhate rahanA hai basa! jisane mana ko dekhA, usane mana ko jIta liyA aura usane jagat ko bhI jIta liyaa| bhagavAna mahAvIra ne isI prakAra se jagat ko jItA thaa| ataH vicAra to mana kA kAma hai| ve to aaeNge| unheM hameM dekhate rahanA hai| vicAra prajJA ke nahIM hote| praznakartA : unameM prajJA kI preraNA hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! mana to vicAra dikhAtA hai ataH use hama apanI bhASA meM samajha jAte haiN| prajJA meM vicAra hote hI nahIM haiN| vicAra kA matalaba kyA hai ? vicAra arthAt vikalpa aura nirvicAra arthAt nirviklp| yaha to nirvikalpa dazA hai ataH mana meM jo vicAra Ate haiM, unheM dekhanA hai, basa! aura prajJA unheM dikhAtI hai| dekhane vAle ko thakAna kaisI? praznakartA : ina mana-vacana-kAyA ko dekhane vAlI prajJA hai ? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : pUre dina mana-vacana-kAyA ko dekhate-dekhate thaka jAte haiM to yaha thakane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha jo thaka jAtA hai, apane mana meM jo ulTA asara ho jAtA hai to ve asara hI thaka jAte haiM, aura koI bhI nahIM thktaa| thakatA hI nahIM hai na! dekhane vAlA thakatA nahIM hai| kAma karane vAlA thaka jAtA hai| praznakartA : dekhane vAlI to prajJA hai na? dAdAzrI : prajJA hI hai| abhI to prajJA hI kAma kara rahI hai na! jaba taka ye saba dakhala haiM taba taka prajJA kAma karegI usake bAda jaba ye dakhala nahIM rahegI to aatmaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, thaka to jAte haiN| kaI bAra aisA lagatA hai ki yaha saba kaba baMda hogA? to jaba thakAna hotI hai tabhI aisA lagatA hai na? sahaja ho to aisA nahIM hogA na?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : vaha jo thakAna mahasUsa hotI hai, vaha bhI sirpha aisA pratIta hotA hai| thakAna to hotI hI nahIM hai na! dekhane vAle ko thakAna nahIM hotii| kAma karane vAle ko thakAna hotI hai| dekhane vAle ko to thakAna chUtI taka nahIM hai| yaha pahale kA paricaya hai na! thaka jAne kaa| use aisA lagatA hai ki 'thakAna ho gii'| praznakartA : yaha mana aisA kyoM karatA hai? vacana aisA kyoM nikalA? aMdara aise kucha abhiprAya ho jAte hoMge, isalie bhI thakAna hotI hogI shaayd| dAdAzrI : abhiprAya ! hA~, aisA saba hotA hai| alaga ho cukA zuddha citta, vahI hai prajJA ajJA to aMdara rAstA dikhAtI hai phAyade-nukasAna ke lie| dvaMdva khar3e karatI hai| praznakartA : abhI Apane kahA ki dvaMdva khar3e karatI hai| aba ye jo zabda nikale ki 'khar3e karatI hai', vaha bhAga kauna sA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to, zabda bole jAte haiN| praznakartA : lekina ve zabda, kyA yaha jo sthUla mana hai, vaha bolatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, buddhi meM se utpanna hote haiN| khar3e hone kA matalaba aisA nahIM ki koI iMsAna khar3A hotA hai| buddhi se utpanna hote haiN| praznakartA : hA~, lekina Apane yaha jo varNana kiyA, vaha ekjekTa hai na? utpanna hotA hai, aisA Apako dikhAI detA hai aura Apa kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina 'dikhAI detA hai aura kahate haiM, vaha bhI auroM ko to nahIM dikhAI detA na! ataH usake lie aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki ye khar3e hote haiM yA utpanna hote haiN| vaha mana nahIM hai, mana kA kAma nahIM hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : to phira jo dikhAI detA hai, vaha kauna sA bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to prajJA kA bhAga hai| vaha AtmA kA mUla bhAga hai| sabhI kucha dekhA jA sakatA hai| ApameM prajJA utpanna ho cukI hai lekina abhI jaba taka nirAlaMba na ho jAe~, taba taka prajJA phula kAma nahIM kregii| abhI to gA~ThoM meM hI ghUmatA rahatA hai na?! jaba graMthiyoM kA chedana ho jAegA taba kAma Age bddh'egaa| mana dikhA hI nahIM sakatA aisA sb| praznakartA : aba vaha varNana karatA hai, varNana ke stara taka AtA hai isalie use prajJA kahanA par3A? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha khuda hI prajJA hai aura vaha AtmA kA bhAga hai| ataH yaha citta, jo azuddha ho rahA thA, jo alaga ho gayA hai AtmA meM se, vahI khuda zuddha hokara vahA~ prajJA kI taraha kAma kara rahA hai| tabhI to dekhakara bolA jA sakatA hai na, nahIM to dekhakara bolA nahIM jA sakatA na! aura jaba dekhakara kahate haiM taba jokhimadArI nahIM rhtii| praznakartA : jo dekhakara bolane vAle loga haiM na, unheM agara DhaMkanA ho, chupAnA ho, Ter3hA-mer3hA bolanA ho, taba bhI nahIM bola sakate ! dAdAzrI : nahIM bolA jA sktaa| kaise bola pAe~ge? jaisA hai vaisA kaha denA par3egA varnA phira bhI bAhara Ter3hA asara hogA na! dekhakara bolU~ aura usase kucha alaga karane jAU~ to phira bAhara vAle to samajha jAe~ge ki kucha alaga aayaa| yaha nahIM hai| bhale hI bAhara vAle ko bolanA na Ae, lekina aisA samajhate to haiM na ki itanA dekhakara bole haiM aura itanA binA dekhe| pharka AsamAna-z2amIna kA praznakartA : dAdA, sAmAnya buddhi aura prajJA meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : sAmAnya buddhi kA matalaba hai koNmnsens| vaha hamezA hI saMsAra kI ulajhaneM sulajhA detI hai| saMsAra ke sabhI tAle khola detI

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[1] prajJA 21 hai, lekina mokSa kA eka bhI tAlA nahIM khola sktii| AtmajJAna mile binA prajJA utpanna nahIM ho sakatI yA phira agara samakita ho jAe taba prajJA kI zuruAta hotI hai| usa samakita meM prajJA kI kaisI zuruAta hotI hai? bIja ke caMdramA jaisI zuruAta hotI hai aura yahA~ para to pUrI prajJA utpanna ho jAtI hai| usake bAda mokSa meM le jAne ke lie vaha prajJA saceta karatI hai| bAra-bAra saceta kauna karatA hai? vaha prajJA hai| jabaki inheM kyA thA? bharata rAjA ko saceta karane vAle naukara rakhane par3e the| hara paMdraha minaTa para kahate the ki 'bharata ceta, ceta', cAra bAra bolate the| dekho, Apako to koI saceta karane vAlA bhI nahIM hai, taba phira aMdara se prajJA saceta karatI hai| isa deha meM TakarAva karatI rahatI hai, hamAre aMdara kI vaha ajJAzakti to kaba se hI hama se penzana lekara baiTha gaI hai| zora nahIM aura zarAbA nhiiN| usa tarapha kA zora hI nahIM hai na, vaha pakar3a hI nahIM hai na! usa ajJAzakti ne hI saMsAra meM bhaTakAyA hai| hama to abudha hokara baiThe haiN| koI kahegA, 'ApameM bahuta buddhi hai ?' maiMne kahA, 'nahIM bhAI! abudh|' taba kahate haiM, 'abudha kaha rahe haiM ?' maiMne kahA, 'bhAI, haaN| vAstava meM abudha haiN'| agara buddhi hotI, tabhI phAyadA-nukasAna dikhAtI na! hama to abudha haiM ! bilkula bhI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM na! phAyade ko nukasAna kahA na, nukasAna ko phAyadA kahA hamane, aura phira vyavasthita aisA hai ki buddhi vAle ke lie bhI nahIM badalatA aura abudha ke lie bhI nahIM bdltaa| varnA agara hama 'vyavasthita hai', aisA nahIM jAnate to hama bhI buddhi ko nahIM chodd'te| agara hamane vyavasthita ko nahIM jAnA hotA na, to hama abudha nahIM ho pAte lekina hama jAnate haiM ki vyavasthita hai, to phira kyA parezAnI yA jhaMjhaTa hai? ataH Apase bhI kahA, 'vyavasthita hai'| ataH yadi buddhi kA upayoga nahIM karoge to abudha ho jAoge, to clegaa| mujhameM buddhi calI gaI, usake bAda mujhe yaha saba samajha meM AyA thA ki yaha kyA ghoTAlA cala rahA hai|

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22 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) buddhi kA sunane meM sAvadhAna praznakartA : buddhi kA dakhala hotA hai, taba hameM patA calatA hai ki buddhi ne yaha dakhala kiyA vaha kauna batAtA hai ? zuddhAtmA batAtA hai yA prajJAzakti batAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA to kAma karatA hI nahIM / prajJAzakti hI batAtI hai| zuddhAtmA ke bajAya usake pratinidhi ke rUpa meM prajJAzakti hI kAma karatI hai aura vaha saba batAtI hai aura vaha to balki agara Apa usa tarapha jA rahe hoM na, to vApasa khIMcakara yoM phira AtmA kI tarapha le AtI hai| buddhi ko ajJA kahA jAtA hai / usa ajJA kA kAma kyA hai ki 'ye mokSa meM na cale jAe~', isalie vaha isI tarapha khIMcatI rahatI hai / prajJA aura ajJA, yaha jhaMjhaTa ina donoM kI hai aura agara hama ekAkAra ho gae to phira ho jAtA hai ajJA kA kAma, phira vaha khuza ho jAtI hai / taba phira prajJA thaka jAtI hai / agara mUla mAlika hI usameM ekAkAra ho jAe to phira kyA ho sakatA hai ! praznakartA : dAdA, yaha buddhi kaba taka dakhala karegI isa taraha se ? dAdAzrI : jaba taka use kImatI mAnA hai taba tk| par3osa meM eka pAgala iMsAna rahatA ho / pA~ca gAliyA~ dekara calA bhI jAtA hai roz2a, to jaba vaha gAliyA~ dene AtA hai taba hama samajha jAte haiM ki yaha pAgala aayaa| hama cAya pIte rahate haiM aura vaha gAliyA~ detA rahatA hai / isI prakAra se bhale hI buddhi Ae aura jAe, hameM apane meM rahanA hai| bAkI kA saba jo hai vaha pUraNa-galana (cArja honA, bharanA - DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) hai| Apa nahIM kahoge taba bhI alaga rahegA aura agara Apa kahoge to bhI Ae bagaira rahegA nahIM / praznakartA : kyA Apa aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki jaba yaha buddhi dakhala kara rahI ho, taba hameM usakI nahIM sunanI cAhie ? dAdAzrI : nahIM suno to bahuta acchA lekina sune bagaira rahoge hI

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[1] prajJA nahIM na aap| agara kaheM ki Apa mata sunanA to bhI Apa sune bagaira rahoge nahIM na! mokSa meM jAnA ho to buddhi kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, saMsAra meM bhaTakanA ho to buddhi kI z2arUrata hai| jisane aisA saba nahIM par3hA ho aura blaika pepara ho na to use to basa 'yaha caMdUbhAI aura yaha maiM', basa! ho gayA bahuta acchaa| arthAt yaha sArA DiscArja hai| praznakartA : dAdA, hameM patA calatA hai ki yaha buddhi dakhala kara rahI hai, agara phira bhI hama buddhi kA suneM to use kyA kaheMge? dAdAzrI : vaha to isalie ki abhI taka buddhi kA sunane meM inTaresTa hai lekina phira bhI yaha jo prajJAzakti hai, vaha use usI tarapha khIMcatI hai| praznakartA : hameM patA calatA hai ki buddhi dakhala kara rahI hai, phira bhI hama buddhi kA sunate rahate haiN| use Ter3hApana kahA jAegA na? dAdAzrI : yadi sunate raheM lekina usa para amala na kareM to harja nahIM hai| bAkI dekhate hI rahanA cAhie ki buddhi kyA kara rahI hai ! apane svabhAva meM raheM to jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai| ApameM buddhi z2yAdA hai lekina dAdA kI kRpA prApta ho cukI hai isalie parezAnI nahIM hogii| praznakartA : dAdA, merI buddhi bahuta calatI hai lekina phira use z2arA zAMta kara detA huuN| aba maiM usakI nahIM sunatA huuN| dAdAzrI : use chUne hI mata do| hamArI buddhi calI gaI hai tabhI yaha jhaMjhaTa gaI na! svataMtra! koI kucha bhI dakhala hI nahIM karatA na phira! prajJA svataMtra hai buddhi se! aba prajJA jo hai vaha mUla AtmA kA guNa hai aura ina donoM (tatvoM) kA saMpUrNa Diviz2ana ho jAne ke bAda, pUrI taraha se mukta ho gae-alaga ho gae, usake bAda phira vaha AtmA meM phiTa ho jAtI hai| taba taka mokSa meM le jAne ke lie vaha alaga huI hai AtmA se|

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24 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : kyA ToTala separezana ho jAne ke bAda prajJA kA udaya hotA hai aura yaha jo laukika buddhi hai, vaha calI jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : alaga ho jAne ke bAda buddhi khatma ho jAtI hai| prajJA kA anubhava to pahale se hI zurU ho jAtA hai, saMpUrNa alaga (judApana) nahIM huA ho taba bhii| pratIti baiThane kA artha yahI hai ki eka tarapha prajJA zurU ho gii| buddhi, buddhi kI jagaha para rahatI hai aura prajJA prakaTa ho jAtI hai| prajJA kI sirpha jJAnakriyAe~ praznakartA : isake bAda prajJA kI jo dazA AtI hai, use jJAna kahA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! prajJA jJAna kA hI svarUpa hai, usI kA bhAga hai lekina jaba taka yaha zarIra hai taba taka use prajJA kahA jAtA hai aura sabhI kArya bhI vahI karatI hai| aura jaba zarIra nahIM rahatA taba usI ko AtmA kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : kyoMki AtmA kucha bhI nahIM karatA isalie usake ejenTa ke rUpa meM prajJA hI sabakucha karatI hai? dAdAzrI : haM, vaha kartA ke taura para nahIM, sirpha jJAnakriyAe~ karatI hai| buddhi se bar3I hai prajJA, usase bhI bar3A hai vijJAna praznakartA : ajJAzakti arthAt buddhi? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha buddhi hI hai lekina vaha zakti buddhi-ahaMkAra vagairaha saba milakara banatI hai| sirpha buddhi ho taba to use hama buddhi kaheMge, aba prajJA kA artha hai jJAna / AtmA vagairaha saba milakara prajJAzakti utpanna hotI hai| praznakartA : kyA prajJA buddhi se bhI bar3I cIz2a hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha buddhi se bar3I hai lekina vijJAna prajJA se bhI

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[1] prajJA bahuta bar3A hai lekina Apa jise vijJAna mAnate ho na, vaha bauddhika vijJAna hai| arthAt abhI jo cala rahA hai, usa vijJAna kI bAta kara rahe ho? usa vijJAna kA artha Apane apanI bhASA meM samajhA hai| jise loka bhASA meM vijJAna kahate haiM, Apa usI ko vijJAna kaha rahe ho? vaha to bhautika vijJAna hai aura hama AdhyAtmika vijJAna kI bAta kara rahe haiN| praznakartA : sAmAnya taura para loga usI vijJAna ko vijJAna kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : lekina maiM usa vijJAna ko vijJAna nahIM khtaa| maiM vijJAna use kahatA hU~ ki jo prajJA se bhI bahuta bar3I sTeja hai| jahA~ para buddhi kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| jaba buddhi khatma hone kI zuruAta hotI hai, taba prajJA utpanna hotI hai| adhyAtma meM buddhi kA sahArA praznakartA : buddhi kA sahArA kaba taka hai? adhyAtma meM vaha hamAre lie kaba taka upayogI rahatI hai ? dAdAzrI : buddhi adhyAtma meM kucha hada taka hI le jA sakatI hai lekina mokSa kI tarapha nahIM jAne detii| praznakartA : hA~, lekina adhyAtma kI kisa sTeja taka le jA sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : kucha hada taka kA samajhane kI sTeja taka hii| 'samajhane' ke alAvA, mokSa kI ora AkarSaNa hone lage, usa tarapha nahIM le jaatii| turaMta isa tarapha khIMcatI hai, vApasa saMsAra kI tarapha khIMcatI hai| yadi 'use' mokSa kI tarapha AkarSaNa hone lage to buddhi turaMta hI saMsAra kI tarapha khIMcatI hai| ataH buddhi to hameM sirpha adhyAtma ko samajhane meM kAma AtI hai| praznakartA : lekina mokSa meM jAne ke lie kAma nahIM aatii| dAdAzrI : calegI hI nahIM na! kAma hI nahIM AtI na buddhi| buddhi to balki use bhaTakA detI hai| balki ulTA-sIdhA sikhAtI hai| praznakartA : koI bhI vyakti jaba dAdA ke pAsa AtA hai to dAdA

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26 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kA jo jJAna hai, vaha pahale use buddhi se hI samajhanA hai na? dAdA kA 'jJAna' lene ke bAda kyA buddhi kI bAteM para (parAI) ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : phira buddhi kA varcasva hI baMda ho jAtA hai| phira prajJA kA varcasva ho jAtA hai| prajJA kA svabhAva hai ki vaha niraMtara mokSa meM le jAne ke lie hI saceta karatI rahatI hai| jo yahA~ para adhyAtma ko samajhane ke lie AtA hai, vaha to buddhi se nahIM smjhtaa| mere pAsa koI vyakti buddhi se samajha hI nahIM sakatA kyoMki maiM jo vANI bolatA hU~ na, vaha vANI AvaraNoM ko tor3akara AtmA ko Taca hotI hai aura use khuda ko samajha meM AtA hai| bAkI, maiM jo kahatA hU~, buddhi usakA vizleSaNa kara hI nahIM sakatI balki buddhi thaka jAtI hai, hameM parezAna kara detI hai| usa buddhi kA isameM upayoga hI nahIM karanA hai| usakI z2arUrata hI nahIM rhtii| ___maiM ye jo bola rahA hU~, ye AvaraNa bhedI zabda haiM isalie AvaraNa ko bhedakara usake AtmA taka pahu~cate haiM aura maiM kyA kahatA hU~ ki agara ApakA AtmA kabUla kare tabhI eksepTa krnaa| aura ApakA AtmA kabUla karatA hai| isalie aba isameM buddhi dUra hI rahatI hai| praznakartA : to dAdA kA jJAna lene ke bAda mahAtmAoM ko jo bArabAra dAdA ke pAsa Ane kA mana hotA hai, to vaha prajJA se hai yA buddhi se? dAdAzrI : buddhi aura prajJA donoM kA hI kAma nahIM hai| prajJA aura buddhi kA kAma alaga hai| kucha bhAga prajJA kA hai| bAkI yaha jo Apako yahA~ para lekara AtA hai, vaha sArA kAma puNya kA hai! praznakartA : hA~, vaha ThIka hai lekina vaha bhI tabhI hogA na jaba prajJA kAma kara rahI hogI? dAdAzrI : yAnI ki yadi prajJA kAma kara rahI hotI to sabhI mahAtmA A jAne cAhie na? lekina sabhI nahIM A skte| kahate haiM na, 'abhI mere puNya kucha kama hai', yadi prajJA hI usake lie z2immedAra hotI, taba to sabhI A jAne cAhie na?

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[1] prajJA 27 saMsAra calAtI hai buddhi praznakartA: saMsAra calAne ke lie hama jitanI buddhi kA upayoga karate haiM, vaha saba ajJA hI kahalAtI hai na ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba ajJA kahalAtI hai| praznakartA : dAdA, yaha jo ajJA aura prajJA ke bIca khIMcAtAnI calatI hai, usameM jo puNyazAlI hotA hai, usI kI prajJA jIta jAtI hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / usameM to aba prajJA hI jIta jAtI hai kyoMki dAdA dvArA diyA huA jJAna buddhi ke paira tor3a detA hai / arthAt buddhi ko apaMga banA detA hai| aura prajJA to maz2abUta hai, bAra-bAra sAvadhAna karatI hai / vaha bAta pakkI hai na ? aura loga mujhase pUchate haiM, 'dAdA, kyA mujhe AtmA kA anubhava hogA? to kahA, 'vaha to roz2a ho hI rahA hai na aura vApasa dUsarA kauna sA karanA hai ?' jaba lAThI mAreMge taba hogA / nahIM ? pIche se lAThI mArate haiM na? praznakartA : lekina ajJA TUTe hue pairoM se bhI bahuta z2ora lagAtI rahatI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, apaMgoM kA kAma hI aisA hai / z2yAdA uchalate haiM / hameM kahanA hai, 'apaMga ho gaI hai, baiTha jA cupacApa / bahuta dinoM taka tUne upakAra kiyA hai hama para, aba baiTha / bahuta ho gayA' / praznakartA: dAdA, ye jo nikAlI bAteM, vicAra vagairaha Ate haiM taba saphokezana hotA hai, dama ghuTatA hai / kyA usa samaya ajJA kA z2ora rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : ajJA kA z2ora rahatA hai na! praznakartA : usI kAraNa saphokezana hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aisA nahIM hai ki sirpha ajJA se hI hotA hai|

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28 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) agara aMdara mana bhI vaisA hI ho cukA ho na, taba bhI z2ora lagAtI hai| jyAdAtara to buddhi hI jora lagavAtI hai| praznakartA : jijJAsA prajJA kA bhAga kahalAtI hai yA buddhi kA? dAdAzrI : buddhi kaa| prajJA to hotI hI nahIM hai na! yadi prajJA utpanna ho jAe to jJAnI kahA jaaegaa| lekina jijJAsu kI buddhi kaisI hotI hai ? samajhadArI vAlI, gar3hI huI buddhi, samyak buddhi hotI hai| kyA samyak buddhi aura prajJA eka hI haiM? jitane samaya taka mere sAtha baiThe, buddhi utanI hI samyak hotI jAegI lekina prajJA utpanna nahIM hogii| prajJA to jJAna ke binA utpanna ho hI nahIM sktii| jise sthitaprajJa dazA kahate haiM na, vaha to jaba kramika mArga meM kabhI jJAna kI ucca dazA taka pahu~cane para prakAza dikhAI detA hai, vaha hai| jabaki yahA~ para to hamAre jJAna dete hI prajJA zurU ho jAtI hai| yahA~ mere pAsa Akara baiThe na, to jisane jJAna nahIM liyA ho to bhI usakI buddhi samyak ho jAtI hai| prajJA DAyarekTa prakAza hai aura samyak buddhi inaDAyarekTa prakAza hai arthAt prajJA DAyarekTa AtmA kA hI bhAga hai| jabaki samyak buddhi vaisI nahIM hai| phira bhI usakA bhI niber3A to lAnA hI pdd'egaa| praznakartA : lekina samyak buddhi upakArI to hai na? dAdAzrI : jaba taka isa sTezana taka nahIM pahu~ce haiM, taba taka upakArI hai| isa sTezana para pahu~cane ke bAda, isase Age jAne ke lie vaha upakArI nahIM hai| praznakartA : lekina jJAna lene ke bAda samyak buddhi nahIM rahatI yA phira rahatI hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna lene ke bAda to prajJA utpanna ho jAtI hai| usake bAda samabhAva se nikAla karane meM prajJA helpa karatI hai| ataH samyak buddhi

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[1] prajJA aura prajJA meM bahuta aMtara hai ! samyak buddhi to buddhi kahalAtI hai aura prajJA to eka prakAra se paramAnenTa cIz2a kA bhAga hai| praznakartA : kyA samyak buddhi paudgalika kahalAtI hai? vaha bhI eka bhAga to hai hI na? dAdAzrI : vaha pudgala meM nahIM AtA kyoMki padagala meM prakAza nahIM hotaa| yaha bhale hI kama hai lekina prakAza to hai na! lekina na to yaha cetana meM AtA hai, na hI pudgala meN| hAlAMki zAstroM meM ise cetana likhA gayA hai lekina usameM cetana nahIM hotaa| yadi ise cetana kahoge to vAstavika cetana nahIM mila paaegaa| aba vaha sApekSabhAva se likhA gayA hai| logoM ko sApekSabhAva samajha meM nahIM aataa| logoM meM samajhane kI itanI zakti nahIM hotI hai| maiM samajha jAtA hU~ ki yaha sApekSabhAva se likhA huA hai| samyak buddhi meM mAlikI bhAva praznakartA : samyak buddhi aura prajJA meM mUla aMtara kyA hai? dAdAzrI : buddhi arthAt buddhi| jaba taka buddhi hai, taba taka usakA mAlika hai| buddhi mAlikIpane vAlI hotI hai| prajJA kA koI mAlika nahIM hai| buddhi to agara viparIta ho, taba bhI vaha mAlikI vAlI hotI hai| samyak buddhi ho to vaha bhI mAlikI vaalii| praznakartA : samyak buddhi ho, lekina yadi mAlikI vAlI ho to nukasAna pahu~cAtI hai yA sabakucha sahI hI batAtI hai? dAdAzrI : avazya, nukasAna hI karatI hai na! buddhi to na jAne kaba palaTa jAe, usake bAre meM kyA kahA jA sakatA hai? jo samyaktA kI bhajanA karatA hai, vaha kaba viparItatA ko bhajane lage, vaha kahA nahIM jA sktaa| aura samyak buddhi kA matalaba kyA hai ? saMsAra meM samyak buddhi nahIM hotii| samyak buddhi pustaka par3hane se utpanna nahIM ho sktii| samyak

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30 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) buddhi to, jaba vaha jJAnIpuruSa kI bAteM sune, taba usakI buddhi samyak hotI hai| hA~, phira vaha buddhi aTaikiMga svabhAva yA aisA kucha ulTA-sulTA nahIM krtii| jo aTaika na kare, hamalA na kare, vaha kahalAtI hai samyak buddhi| cAhe kaise bhI saMyoga hoM lekina hamalA na kare, vaha kahalAtI hai samyak buddhi aura jo pratyeka saMyoga meM hamalA kare, vaha kahalAtI hai viparIta buddhi| jisa taraha se hArTa kA aTaika AtA hai na, usI taraha use bhI aTaika AtA hai| buddhi ko aTaika nahIM AtA? caMdUbhAI sAhaba (phAila naM-1) the vikaTa, nahIM dekhA Apane? praznakartA : dekhA hai| aTaika to Ate the lekina ve aTaika dikhAI nahIM dete the| Apake pAsa Akara jaba eksa-re nikAlA taba patA calA ki aMdara kA aisA saba hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| tabhI patA calegA na! jaba taka dekhA nahIM hai, taba taka ina dUsarI cIz2oM ko, vaha to aisA hI jAnatA hai ki yahI apanA hai aura yahI maalikii| usameM aura kyA aMtara hai ? harja kyA hai ? sabhI ke yahA~ hai, vaisA hI apane yahA~ hai| usameM phira vibhAga banAtA hai ki yaha acchA hai aura yaha khraab| yahA~ para to acchA-burA hai hI nahIM na! yahA~ para to sanAtana kI tarapha le jAne vAlI cIjeM haiN| yaha mithyA hai na, usameM se sanAtana kI tarapha le jAne vAlI cIjeM haiN| bAtacIta, vyavahAra vagairaha saba sanAtana kI aura le jAne vAlI cIjeM haiN| Apa jaba use dekhate ho taba Apako aisA lagatA hai ki yaha alaga hai| yaha, vaha vAlA nahIM hai| praznakartA : samyak buddhi galatiyA~ nahIM karavAtI? dAdAzrI : aTaika nahIM krvaatii| praznakartA : aura jAgRti galatiyA~ dikhAtI hai? dAdAzrI : jAgRti to sabhI kucha dikhAtI hai| aMdara koI bhI AyA

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[1] prajJA gayA ho to use dikhAtI hai| jAgRti to kevalajJAna kA bhAga hai aura jaba taka jAgRti utpanna nahIM hotI, taba taka jagat khulI A~khoM se nidrA meM praznakartA : jisa prakAra prajJA saceta karatI hai, usI prakAra samyak buddhi kyA helpa karatI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha bhI vaisA hI kAma karatI hai lekina vaha to khuda hI vinAzI hai na! isalie koI bahuta bar3I cetAvanI nahIM de sktii| praznakartA : basa itanA hI hai ki hitAhita kA bhAna rakhatI hai| dAdAzrI : yaha to vahI buddhi hai, yaha sAMsArika buddhi hotI hai na, vaisI hii| vaha bhI, jaba jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa baiThe raheM taba phira vaha buddhi samyak hotI jAtI hai| samyak hotI jAtI hai buddhi! bAkI, samyak to sirpha jJAna hI hai, lekina yaha buddhi samyak ho jAtI hai| avyabhicAriNI buddhi to azAMti meM bhI zAMti karavA detI hai, prajJA prakaTa hone se pahale kI sttej| sthitaprajJa dazA aura prakaTa prajJA praznakartA : prajJA va sthitaprajJa, ina zabdoM meM se 'sthitaprajJa' kyA hai, yaha samajhAie? dAdAzrI : khuda ko sahI taraha se pahacAnane kI jo samajha hai na, usameM sthira honA, vaha sthitaprajJa kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : prajJA zabda se una zAstroM kI tarapha dhyAna jAtA hai ki AtmA ke bAre meM jo jJAna diyA gayA ho, use hamane grahaNa kara liyA to phira prajJA utpanna hotI hai| Apane abhI jo bAta kahI ki prajJA to svAbhAvika hI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha prajJA svabhAvika hai na! yaha sthitaprajJa alaga cIz2a hai

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' isase to ajJadazA huI hai| phira jaba Apake pAsa AU~ aura Apa hameM kaheM, 'Apa zuddhAtmA ho' to usase sthitaprajJa banate haiN| dAdAzrI : sthitaprajJa bhI nahIM, sthitaprajJa se Age kI bAta hai| sthitaprajJa, vaha to eka dazA hai| prajJA utpanna hone vAlI ho, usase pahale yaha dazA AtI hai| prajJA zurU hone vAlI ho, taba yaha dazA AtI hai| jo saMsAra meM sAkSIbhAva vAlI dazA hotI hai| prajJA to AtmA prApta hone ke bAda utpanna hotI hai aura sthitaprajJa dazA AtmA prApta hone se pahale AtI hai| vyavahAra meM vaha sthiti ahaMkAra sahita hotI hai lekina vaha vyavahAra bahuta suMdara hotA hai| praznakartA : kramika mArga meM prajJA ko AtmA meM sthira ho cukI buddhi kahate haiM, to kyA apane yahA~ prajJA kA matalaba jJAtA-dRSTApanA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA hI hai| vaha AtmA kA hI bhAga hai jabaki anya kahIM to sthira buddhi ko sthitaprajJa dazA kahate haiN| vaha prajJA nahIM hai| arthAt aisI dazA, jisameM buddhi sthira ho gaI hai| sthitaprajJa hone ke bAda bhI kabhI ajJAzakti savAra ho jAtI hai| sthitaprajJa kI madada se calI bhI jAtI hai lekina sthitaprajJa dazA meM usake savAra hone kA bhaya bhI rahatA hai| prajJAzakti utpanna hone ke bAda bhaya nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : arthAt sthitaajJa dazA meM se bAhara nikalane ke bAda hI yaha sthitaprajJa dazA prApta ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! usameM to buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai| ajJA caMcala hotI hai| ataH jisakI buddhi sthira ho gaI hai, vaise sthitprjny| prajJA to vahA~ para hai hI nahIM, sthitaprajJa dazA hai| phira bhI use prajJA kahate haiM, lekina vaha kramika meM hai| yaha prajJA to, pyora AtmA kA hI alaga huA eka bhAga hai|

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[1] prajJA praznakartA : lekina Tukar3e nahIM kie jA sakate haiM na AtmA ke, pratiSThita AtmA aura mUla AtmA ke? dAdAzrI : vaha ulajha jAegA blki| sabhI kucha dhAraNa karake rakhane kI zakti ho, taba jAkara vaha usake sabhI vibhAgoM sahita jAna sakatA hai| utanI jAgRti honI cAhie na! cAroM tarapha lakSa (jAgRti) meM rakhanA caahie| hama usakA eka-eka aMza jAnate haiN| praznakartA : isa sthitaprajJa kI jo bAta hai, vaha z2arA aura vistAra se smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba koI vyakti zAstroM kA khUba adhyayana karatA hai, saMtoM kI sevA karatA hai, khUba mehanata se vyApAra karatA hai aura vyApAra meM nukasAna ho jAtA hai, taba ina sabhI prakAra ke anubhavoM meM se pAra nikalatA jAtA hai| phira Age pahu~cakara jaba buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, taba vaha sthitaprajJa kahalAtA hai| usakI buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai| idhara se havA Ae to bhI yoM hila nahIM jAtA, idhara se Ae to bhI yoM hila nahIM jaataa| aisI sthira buddhi ho taba vaha sthitaprajJa kahalAtA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA bahuta hI sadviveka vAlI jAgRti dazA hai| vaha anubhava karate-karate Age bar3hatA hai| janakavidehI kI dazA sthitaprajJa se bhI bar3I thii| sthitaprajJa dazA kI tulanA meM prajJAzakti bahuta ucca dazA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA meM to vaha vyavahAra meM eka naMbara hotA hai| dUsarA, jisake prati logoM kI tarapha se niMdA jaisI cIz2a na rahe, vaha apane Apako sthitaprajJa mAna sakatA hai lekina yaha prajJA to mokSa meM hI le jAtI hai| sthitaprajJa ko to abhI mokSa meM jAne ke lie bahuta laMbA mArga taya karanA pdd'egaa| akrama meM to bahuta ucca dazA praznakartA : to yaha sthitaprajJa, vaha prajJA se pahale kI sthiti hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha prajJA se pahale kI sthiti hai lekina logoM ne to

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34 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ise bahuta bar3I cIz2a banA diyA hai| sthitaprajJa to isase nimna sthiti hai| usake bAda prajJA utpanna hotI hai| pahale sthitaprajJa banatA hai, usake bAda dhIre-dhIre-dhIre prajJA utpanna hotI hai| praznakartA : to phira mujhe aisA savAla hotA hai ki sthitaprajJa kA matalaba hai prajJA prApti ke bAda usameM sthira honA, to phira sthitaprajJa usake bAda kI sthiti huI ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha bAda kI sthiti nahIM hai| pahale kI sthiti hai| vaha (sthiti) sthitaprajJa huI ki mAno sthira hI ho gyaa| sthitaprajJa kA matalaba to prajJA z2arA-z2arA sI, eka-eka aMza karake AtI hai aura vaha khuda usameM sthira hotA jAtA hai| jabaki hama jaba yahA~ para jJAna dete haiM, taba to prajJA sarvAMza utpanna ho jAtI hai| yaha jo sthitaprajJa hai, usakI viparIta dazA hai sthitaajJa / 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, isakA mAmA hU~, isakA cAcA hU~', vaha sArI sthitaajJa dazA hai| yaha jo ajJA chUTI aura prajJA utpanna huI, usake bAda prajJA meM duHkha nahIM rahatA kyoMki vaha khuda ke sanAtana sukha kA bhogI bana gyaa| praznakartA : gItA meM jisa sthitaprajJa dazA kI bAta kahI gaI hai, vaha yahI hai na? dAdAzrI : sthitaprajJa se to bahuta Age kI sthiti hai yh| praznakartA : usase bhI Age? dAdAzrI : bahuta ucca sthiti hai yaha to| adbhuta sthiti hai yaha to! kRSNa bhagavAna kI jo sthiti thI, vaha sthiti hai yh| yaha to kSAyaka samakita kI sthiti hai| kRSNa bhagavAna ko kSAyaka samyaktva thA yAnI ki mithyAtva dRSTi pUrI taraha se khatma ho cukI thii| samyak dRSTi arthAt AtmA kI hI dRSTi utpanna huI hai, ataH yaha to bahuta ucca dazA hai| sthitaprajJa vagairaha to isase bahuta nimna koTi kI dazA hai lekina logoM ko sthitaprajJa samajha meM nahIM aayaa|

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[1] prajJA sthitaprajJa dazA bhI nahIM huI hai kyoMki logoM ko sthitaprajJa kisa prakAra se hotA hai ? use aisA lagatA hai ki 'maiM AtmA hU~' kucha dera ke lie usameM sthira raha pAe aura phira vApasa vicalita ho jAe, to vaha sthitaprajJa hai| prajJA meM sthira hone jAtA hai aura vApasa vicalita ho jAtA hai| usameM niraMtara raha hI nahIM pAtA na! pUrA sAinsa hAtha meM nahIM AtA na! kyoMki cAra veda par3hane ke bAda veda iTaselpha kahate haiM, 'disa iz2a naoNTa dett| disa ija naoNTa dett| disa ija naoNTa dett'| to vhaoNTa iz2a deTa? taba kahate haiM 'go TU jnyaanii'| kyoMki usa avaktavya, avarNanIya ko zabdoM meM kaise utArA jA sakatA hai ? AtmA zabdoM meM kaise utArA jA sakatA hai ? isalie use avaktavya kahA hai, avarNanIya kahA hai| jo nahIM khAtA, nahIM pItA aura nahIM bolatA, vaha hai AtmA praznakartA : sthitaprajJa kI bhASA kyA hotI hai? vaha kisa prakAra kA bhojana khAtA hai aura kyA pItA hai ? dAdAzrI : sthitaprajJa kI dazA bahuta ucca hai, bhASA ucca hai lekina usameM kabhI Ter3hA bhI bola letA hai| lo! kyA khAtA hai ? usa dazA kA aura khAne-pIne kA lenA-denA hI kyA hai? kyoMki khAne vAlA to bilkula alaga hI hai| khAne vAlA mukta hone vAle se bilkula alaga hI hai| jo baMdhA huA hai, khAne vAlA usase bilkula alaga hai| jo mukta hone kI icchA rakhatA hai, khAne vAlA usase bhI alaga hai| phira use lenA-denA hI kyA hai khAne vAle se? yaha sUkSma bAta kauna batAe? koI batA sakatA hai? Apako kyA lagatA hai? alaga hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : alaga hai| dAdAzrI : khAne vAlA alaga hI hai isIlie to hamane bheda btaayaa| bhAI, koI parezAnI nahIM hai| Apa jo bhI khAte ho, usase hameM koI parezAnI nahIM hai| to kahate haiM 'kapar3e pahaneM?' 'pharsTa klAsa kapar3e phnnaa'| zarIra hI pahanatA hai na?' iyariMga bhI phnnaa| 'bAliyA~ pahaneM?' to kahA 'bAlI bhI phnnaa'| ye isa prakAra se alaga haiM, aisA dekhane ke

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) bAda hI hama yaha bAta batAe~ge na, nahIM to batAe~ge hI nahIM na! kyoMki yaha deha mukta hone vAle se bilkula alaga hai| khAne vAlA, pIne vAlA, raMgarAga karane vAlA, cAya-pAnI pIne vAlA, TesTa se pIne vAlA, mUMcha para hAtha pherane vAlA, sabhI alaga haiN| jo baMdhana meM hai, usase bhI vaha alaga hI hai| baMdhA huA to aisA kucha karegA hI nahIM na? baMdhA huA to 'baMdhana' ko jAnatA hai| jo baMdhana ko jAnatA hai aura baMdhana ko anubhava karatA hai, use kahate haiM, baMdhA huaa| ye sabhI loga to baMdhe hue nahIM kahalAe~ge na? baMdhe hue yaha jAnate hI nahIM haiN| hama baMdhe hue haiM, aisA unheM bhAna hI nahIM hai| yaha jo sthitaprajJa zabda hai, vaha vyavahArika zabda hai| buddhi itanI adhika sthira ho cukI hotI hai ki cAhe kaisI bhI muzkila Ae lekina usameM z2arA sA bhI nahIM ddrtaa| buddhi kA vibhAga hai vh| buddhi sthitaprajJa taka pahu~ca cukI hai aura prajJA abhI taka prakaTa nahIM huI hai| sabhI jIvoM kI ajJa dazA hai| ninyAnave taka sthitaprajJa aura prajJA hai sau para kRSNa bhagavAna ne jisa sthitaprajJa dazA kA varNana kiyA thA, vaha prajJA se bhI nimna dazA hai| praznakartA : sthitaprajJa nimna dazA hai? dAdAzrI : prajJA se nimna dazA hai| sthitaprajJa dazA arthAt buddhi se hote, hote, hotI jAtI hai| phira vaha buddhi bhI kauna sI? avyabhicAriNI buddhi| kRSNa bhagavAna ne do prakAra kI buddhi ke bAre meM batAyA thaa| vyabhicAriNI aura avybhicaarinnii| avyabhicAriNI buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, asthira to hai hI abhii| asthira arthAt imoshnl| sthira hotI jAtI hai dinoM din| sthira hone ke bAda jaise saMkhyA meM satAnave ke bAda aThAnave, ninyAnave ginA jAtA hai aura sau ko mukhya cIz2a kahA jAtA hai| taba jAkara pUrNAhuti hotI hai, hanDreDa parasenTa, senTa parasenTa hai, aisA kahate haiN| yaha jo sthitaprajJa dazA hai, vaha buddhi kI sthiratA kA senTa parasenTa hai aura prajJA to hai hI phula cIz2a, mUla vastu hai|

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[1] prajJA 37 vaha praznakartA : 'sthitaprajJa dazA AtmA kI anubhava dazA nahIM hai', samajhAie / dAdAzrI : jaba prajJA pUrNa dazA taka pahu~catI hai, taba AtmAnubhava hotA hai| sthitaprajJa, jaba taka 'sthita' vizeSaNa hai, taba taka vaha anubhava nahIM kahA jA sakatA, lekina jaba vizeSaNa khatma ho jAe aura sirpha prajJA rahe, taba anubhava hai| jo buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, use sthitaprajJa kahate haiN| usake pariNAma badalate nahIM haiM aura jaba vizeSaNa khatma ho jAte haiM, taba prajJA kahalAtI hai| taba aMtima dazA meM anubhava hotA hai / ninyAnave taka pahu~catA hai, taba taka sthitaprajJa aura jaba sau taka pahu~ca jAe, taba prajJA / moha miTA aura hue sthira acala meM praznakartA : arjuna kahate haiM ki 'naSTo moha smRtilabdha sthitosmi' / dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha to sthira ho hI gayA thA na ! praznakartA : hA~, to mujhe yaha jAnanA hai ki kisa prakAra se ? dAdAzrI : jisameM itane lakSaNa A jAe~, jisakA moha naSTa ho gayA hai, to vaha sthira hone kI nizAnI huii| dUsarI use yaha helpa huI ki smRtilabdhA ho gaI arthAt dUsarI helpa huii| ina sabhI kAraNoM se vaha sthira ho rahI hai aura kucha-kucha sthira rahatI hai / tabhI se use sthitaprajJa dazA kahA gayA hai| yadi isa prakAra se sthira raha sake to / hAlAMki ve aisA kahate haiM ki 'merA moha khatma ho gayA hai ' / vaha to bahuta ucca dazA kahI jAtI hai| praznakartA : yahA~ para sAmAnya taura para sabhI kI sthiti laTTU jaisI hai, to ye arjuna bhI manuSya hI the aura unhoMne 'sthitosmi' kahA thA / usameM likhA gayA hai ki unhoMne kRSNa bhagavAna se kahA, 'he acyuta ! ApakI kRpA se maiM sthira ho gayA huuN'| to kyA manuSyoM meM aisI virodhAbhAsI sthiti A sakatI hai ?

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38 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : laTU khatma ho gayA aura vaha khuda riyala meM A gyaa| prakRti ke rahate hue bhI riyala meM A gyaa| kyoMki dehAdhyAsa meM usakI jo mAnyatA thI ki 'maiM yaha hU~', vaha mAnyatA pUrI hI TUTa gii| kyoMki moha naSTa ho gayA thA aura mAnyatA isameM A gaI ki 'maiM yaha zuddhAtmA huuN'| yaha prakRti sacala hai aura mUla AtmA acala hai, ataH sacala meM jo mAnyatA thI, vaha khatma ho gaI aura acala meM mAnyatA utpanna huI, ataH phira vaha sthira ho gyaa| jaba taka zaMkA, tabhI taka sthitaajJa ina logoM ko khuda kI kitanI bhUleM dikhAI detI haiM ? praznakartA : prajJA nahIM ho to khuda kI bhUleM nahIM dikhAI deMgI! dAdAzrI : hA~, aura phira dUsarI tarapha kitane hI loga aisA bhI pUchate haiM ki, 'kyA merI dazA sthitaprajJa hai?' maiMne kahA, aisA kyoM pUchanA par3A? Apako zaMkA huI? agara zaMkA ho to mAna lenA ki 'ApakI dazA sthitaajJa hai'| to yaha pola (dhruva) sAmane kI tarapha kA nahIM hai na ! northa to gyaa| northa pola (uttara dhruva) hAtha meM nahIM Ae to isakA matalaba kyA vaha sAutha pola para nahIM hai? praznakartA : sthitaajJa kA artha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : ajJAna meM hI mauja-maz2e mAnatA hai aura usI meM sthita rahatA hai| yadi ajJAna meM asthira ho jAe to samajhanA ki Age bddh'aa| ajJAna meM yadi asthira ho jAe to kisameM Age bar3hA? taba kahA jAegA ki vaha prajJA kI tarapha Age bddh'aa| sthitaprajJa dazA se Age praznakartA : 'sthitaprajJa dazA se bahuta-bahuta Age kucha hai', vaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : sthitaprajJa dazA, vaha eka prakAra kI aisI dazA hai ki

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[1] prajJA vaikuMTha meM jAte hue buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai| kRSNa bhagavAna kA jo vaikuMTha hai, kRSNa bhagavAna kI usa bAta ko sunate-sunate, jaise-jaise gItA kA abhyAsa bar3hatA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise buddhi sthira hotI jAtI hai aura jisakI buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, use bhagavAna ne sthitaprajJa kahA hai| usase Age to bahuta kucha jAnanA bAkI hai| abhI to vaha isa eka jagaha kA vIz2A pAne ke lAyaka huA hai| praznakartA : arthAt zuddha samakita aura paramArtha samakita? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha zuddha samakita nahIM hai| zuddha samakita se bhI nimna kakSA kA samakita hai| abhI to, agara kabhI ulTe saMyoga mila jAe~ to ulTA bhI kara le, lekina buddhi sthira ho gaI hai isalie DigegA nhiiN| hA~! ataH samakita kaba hai ? usameM kucha ulTA nahIM ghuse, taba samakita kahA jaaegaa| koI bhI saMyoga use hilA nahIM sake, taba samakita kahA jaaegaa| jabaki sthitaprajJa ko saMyoga hilA dete haiM isalie use bhaya rahatA hai| lekina buddhi sthira ho jAne ke bAda samajhadArI AtI hai| bahuta ucca prakAra kI samajhadArI A jAtI hai| abhI sthira buddhi vAle manuSya bahuta hI kama hoMge, zAyada hI koI hoNge| hiMdustAna meM eka do, varnA vaha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : sthitaprajJa vAle meM prajJA kabhI jAgRta hI nahIM huI thI? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| isa kAla meM sthitaprajJa nahIM hote, satyuga meM sthitaprajJa ho sakate haiN| isa kAla meM to agara beTI kaoNleja jA rahI ho aura agara zAma ko na Ae to socate haiM ki 'kyoM nahIM AI?' to patA calatA hai, 'usane zAdI kara lii'| bolo, phira buddhi sthira kaise rahegI? aura una dinoM yoM zAdI nahIM kara lete the| aisA nahIM hotA thaa| koI parezAnI hI nahIM AtI thii| abhI to buddhi sthira kaise raha sakatI hai? palabhara meM beTI zAdI kara letI hai| palabhara meM patnI DivaoNrsa le letI hai, aise z2amAne meM iMsAna kI buddhi sthira kaise raha sakatI hai ? nahIM raha sktii| yaha to dhanya hai isa akrama vijJAna ko ki sabhI kA kalyANa

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kara diyaa| 50,000 logoM kA kalyANa ho gyaa| z2arA kama z2yAdA rahA hogA lekina kalyANa to z2abaradasta ho gyaa| ahaMkAra kA sthAna sthitaprajJa meM ? praznakartA : kyA sthitaprajJa ahaMkAra kA lakSaNa hai ? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hote hue bhI sthitaprajJa ho jAe, yoM donoM sAtha meM ho sakatA hai| 40 praznakartA aura nahIM bhI ho sakatA ? : dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai, hotA hI hai| praznakartA : sthitaprajJa aura vItarAga ke bIca kI DimArkezana lAina btaaie| donoM ke bIca kI lakSmaNarekhA... dAdAzrI : sthitaprajJa arthAt, ahaMkAra kI upasthiti meM saMsAra kA sAra-asAra nikAlakara buddhi kA sthira ho jAnA, vaha sthitaprajJa hai| sthitaprajJa dazA ko viveka hI mAnA jaaegaa| vaha sAra - asAra ke viveka ko samajhatA hai| praznakartA: aura kyA vItarAgatA meM ahaMkAra kI hAz2irI nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM ! sAra - asAra nikAlA isalie aba vItarAgatA kI ora claa| usane sAra nikAla liyA yahA~ para ki isameM sukha nahIM hai, lekina ahaMkAra kI upasthiti meM / aba yahA~ use Age jAne kA rAstA mila gayA, yahA~ se zuruAta ho gii| aba apane yahA~ para sthitaprajJa nahIM hai, prajJA hai / sthitaprajJa ahaMkArasahita hotA hai, aura yaha prajJA ahaMkArarahita hotI hai / ataH sthitaprajJa hone ke bAda to bahuta samaya bAda 'vastu' (AtmA) kI prApti hotI hai aura prajJA to kucha janmoM meM, eka-do janmoM meM mokSa meM le jAtI hai| pharka, sthitaprajJa aura vItarAga meM praznakartA : to phira sthitaprajJa aura vItarAga meM kyA pharka hai ?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| sthitaprajJa kA matalaba kyA hai ki khuda apanI buddhi se soca-socakara sthira hotA hai| aura kyoMki sthira ho jAtA hai isalie khuda apane saoNlyUzana lA sakatA hai| lekina vaha sthitaprajJa kahalAtA hai| sirpha itanA hI hai ki sthitaprajJa ne buddhi ko sthira kara liyA hai| anya kucha nhiiN| praznakartA : lekina aisA kahA gayA hai ki usameM bhI rAga-dveSa rahitatA hai, vItarAga jaisii| dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha rAga-dveSa rahita dazA nahIM hai| lekina hara eka prazna kA saoNlyUzana le AtA hai| isIlie vaha kisI para rAga-dveSa nahIM karatA na! saoNlyUzana A jAe to phira kauna karegA? sabakucha buddhi se| avyabhicAriNI buddhi kI sthiratA ko sthitaprajJa kahA gayA hai| jisakI buddhi sthira ho gaI hai| logoM kI buddhi asthira hotI hai| sthira ho cukI buddhi hI sthitaprajJa kahalAtI hai kyoMki bahuta bar3hate-bar3hate, ajJA meM se Age bar3hate-bar3hate aMta meM vaha prajJA taka pahu~catI hai|| abhI to use vItarAgatA kI sTaDI karanI hai, vItarAga mArga kI sTaDI karanI hai| vItarAga mArga hAtha meM A gayA hai aura dhIre-dhIre vItarAgatA bar3hatI jaaegii| sthitaprajJa ke sTezana para Ane ke bAda vItarAgatA kA guNa bar3hatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : aura sthitaprajJa kA saMbaMdha dayA se hai yA karuNA se? dAdAzrI : hA~! dayA se hai| karuNA nahIM hotii| vItarAga bhagavAna ke alAvA anya kisI meM karuNA nahIM ho sktii| karuNA kA artha kyA hai? rAga bhI nahIM aura dveSa bhI nhiiN| cUhe ko bacAne meM rAga nahIM aura billI ke prati dveSa nahIM, use kahate haiM krunnaa| ye khoja, prajJA se yA buddhi se? praznakartA : ye sAinTisTa jo khoja (risarca) vagairaha karate haiM, vaha prajJA se hai ? nahIM to phira vaha kyA hotA hai ? buddhi se?

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42 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM, unameM darzana hotA hai| darzana ke binA to kabhI sAinTisTa banA hI nahIM jA sktaa| vaha darzana kudaratI hai| kudarata ne use helpa kI, vaha usakA darzana hI hai| praznakartA : ye jo 'akho' vagairaha sAre saMta ho cuke haiM, unameM prajJA thI yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha darzana kahalAtA hai| prajJA nahIM khlaatii| prajJA, AtmA prApta hone ke bAda prajJA kahalAtI hai| laukika bhASA meM use prajJA kahate haiM lekina laukika kA yahA~ para calegA nahIM na! laukika kA yahA~ kyA karanA hai ? laukika ko vahA~ para paise nahIM dete ! prajJA sAvadhAna karatI hai ahaMkAra ko praznakartA : jaba kucha vicAra Ate haiM, taba hama unase kahate haiM ki 'terA yaha saba galata hai| aba, yaha kahane vAlA kauna hai? Apase milane ke bAda! pahale to aisA kucha thA hI nhiiN| to vaha mArgadarzana kauna detA hai ? prajJA yA buddhi ? dAdAzrI : hameM prajJA saceta karatI hai kyoMki aba mokSa meM jAne kA vIz2A mila gayA hai| usake bAda yadi manuSya ahaMkAra karake usa prajJA ko dabA detA hai, to phira vApasa pAgalapana karatA hai| praznakartA : aMdara jo yaha prajJA saceta karatI hai, to vaha mana dvArA saceta karatI hai yA buddhi dvArA saceta karatI hai? citta dvArA yA ahaMkAra dvArA saceta karatI hai? dAdAzrI : prajJA ahaMkAra ko saceta karatI hai, anya kisI ko nhiiN| praznakartA : lekina kyA DAyarekTa saceta karatI hai? dAdAzrI : DAyarekTa! anya kisI ko adhikAra hI nahIM hai na! ahaMkAra kA koI UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika)nahIM hai| ahaMkAra kA koI UparI nahIM hai, phira bhI pUre dina vaha karatA to hai sArA buddhi kA kahA huaa|

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[1] prajJA 43 praznakartA : yaha prajJA jaba ahaMkAra ko saceta karatI hai, taba buddhi kyA karatI hai? taba phira kyA buddhi alaga rahatI hai ? dAdAzrI : buddhi ko kyA lenA-denA ? buddhi nAma hI nahIM letii| praznakartA : to phira kucha bhI nahIM ? dAdAzrI : buddhi kA kArya hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : prajJA ke hAz2ira ho jAne para buddhi kA astitva hI nahIM rahatA na ? dAdAzrI : ata: phira buddhi usakI helpa karatI hai ahaMkAra ke kahe anusAra / praznakartA : acchA, to phira ise sIdhA bhI buddhi hI kara detI hai ? dAdAzrI : phira sabhI milakara sIdhA kara dete haiN| sirpha buddhi hI nahIM, sabhI / dAdA kA nididhyAsana karavAe prajJA praznakartA : Aja subaha sAmAyika meM ApakA hI nididhyAsana rhaa| vaha kyA hai? maiM use zuddha citta samajhatA hU~ / dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha sArA kAma to prajJAzakti kA hai| zuddha citta to AtmA khuda hI hai| zuddhAtmA hI zuddha cidrUpa (citta svarUpa ) hai / yaha saba to prajJA karatI hai / praznakartA : sabhI jagaha dAdA baiThe hue dikhAI dete haiM / vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI prajJA hai na / ajJAzakti to dUsarA hI dikhAtI hai / jo lakSmI dikhAtI hai, striyA~ dikhAtI hai, vaha ajJAzakti hai / ajJAzakti strI kA nididhyAsana karavAtI hai aura prajJAzakti jJAnIpuruSa kA / jJAnIpuruSa arthAt AtmA kA nididhyAsana karavAtI hai|

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44 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : aba jisane abhI jJAna liyA hai, use bhI strI kA nididhyAsana ho jAtA hai to kyA vaha ajJA DipArTamenTa hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to caMdUbhAI kA bhAga hai, usase hameM kyA lenA-denA? praznakartA : nahIM, to phira usameM citta kA phaMkzana kahA~ para AyA? dAdAzrI : vaha to caMdUbhAI kA bhAga hai, azuddha citta hai| praznakartA : to phira yaha prajJA jJAnIpuruSa kA jo nididhyAsana karavAtI hai, usameM citta kA phaMkzana kahA~ AyA? dAdAzrI : usameM citta kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| prajJAzakti khuda hI dekha sakatI hai| praznakartA : ise ekjekTa phoTogrAphI kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : hA~, ekjekTa ! phoTogrAphI se bhI acchaa| phoTogrAphI meM itanA acchA nahIM aataa| sapane meM to phoTogrAphI se bhI z2yAdA acchA dikhAI detA hai| svapna meM to pratyakSa dekhane se bhI z2yAdA acchA AtA hai| MAHARI praznakartA : citta kA kAma hI nahIM rhaa| dAdAzrI : zuddha citta thA, vaha AtmA meM eka ho gyaa| AtmA meM mila gyaa| zuddha citta, vahI zuddhAtmA! praznakartA : to nididhyAsana ko dekhane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJAzakti hai| praznakartA : vaha khuda hI dekhatI hai aura khuda hI dhAraNa karatI hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda hI hai sbkuch| usI kI haiM sabhI kriyaaeN| citta kI z2arUrata hI nahIM rahI vahA~ para / jaba taka azuddha citta hai taba taka sabakucha saMsAra kA hI dikhAI detA hai use| azuddha citta, zuddha kI

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[1] prajJA bAteM nahIM dekha sktaa| ataH jaba citta zuddha ho jAtA hai taba AtmA meM eka ho jAtA hai| AtmA meM mila jAtA hai, bacA kauna? bIca meM koI nahIM bcaa| prajJAzakti calatI rahatI hai bs| agara dakhala rahe to vApasa zuddha citta bhI bigar3atA jAtA hai| agara aMdherA ho na, to vApasa bigar3atA jAtA hai, to use vApasa kahA~ ripeyara karavAne jAe~? usake kArakhAne to kahIM bhI nahIM hote| aura prajJAzakti ko hameM ripeyara nahIM karanA pdd'taa| jo vastu hai, agara use rakhA jAe to ripeyara karavAne nahIM jAnA pdd'egaa| jo vastu nahIM hai, use to bigar3ane para ripeyara karavAne jAnA pdd'egaa| ataH bIca meM kisI cIz2a kI koI jarUrata nahIM hai| sabhI kriyAe~ prajJA karatI hai| praznakartA : yaha citta jaba zuddha ho jAtA hai, taba prajJA utpanna hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : citta jaba zuddha ho jAtA hai taba zuddhAtmA meM mila jAtA hai| usake bAda prajJAzakti kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| zuddha citta, vahI zuddha cidrUpa AtmA hai| praznakartA : jJAnIpuruSa kA nididhyAsana rahatA hai, use Apane prajJA kahA hai to Apa aisA bhI kahate haiM na ki jitanA adhika nididhyAsana rahegA utanA hI citta zuddha hogA? dAdAzrI : citta zuddhi to ho cukI hai na ! praznakartA : jar3a se ho gaI hai saMpUrNa, to vaha jo azuddha citta hai, usakA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : azuddha citta to sabhI sAMsArika kArya kara letA hai| mana, buddhi, citta aura ahaMkAra! kyA zuddha citta kabhI dakhala karatA hai? azuddha citta ho to dakhala ho jAtI hai bIca meN| zuddha citta hogA to dakhala nahIM hogii| yadi tIsarA vyakti hogA tabhI dakhala hogii| dakhala hotI hai ? Apa nididhyAsana karake Ao kbhii| praznakartA : nididhyAsana karane meM kisakI dakhala rahatI hai ?

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46 AptavANI -13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : ve to ye udayakarma haiM / praznakartA : kyoMki yadi vaha prajJA kA khuda kA svataMtra DipArTamenTa hotA to prajJA sabhI mahAtmAoM meM utpanna ho cukI hai, bAvajUda bhI apane mahAtmAoM ko jJAna ke bAda meM eka sarIkhA ... usake dAdAzrI : sabhI ko eka sarIkhA jJAna utpanna nahIM hotA, hara eka ko usake sAmarthya ke anusAra hotA hai, phira usI anusAra AjJA pAlana ho pAtA hai / praznakartA : yAnI Apane sAmarthya ke anusAra kahA / aisA kyoM ? dAdAzrI : aisA hI hai na! usakA nizcaya bala vagairaha aisA saba honA cAhie na ! alaga-alaga nahIM hotA hara eka kA ? hara eka kA alg| terA alaga, usakA alaga, ina saba kA alaga-alaga hai na / praznakartA : lekina Apa aisA kahate haiM na ki citta to sabhI kA pUrNata: zuddha ho cukA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, tabhI to AtmA prApta hogA na ! praznakartA : to yadi zuddha citta pUrNataH zuddha ho jAegA to utanI hI prajJA utpanna hogI ? dAdAzrI : haaN| hama jaba jJAna dete haiM taba AtmA zuddha ho jAtA hai isalie prajJA utpanna ho hI jAtI hai| phira usakI pA~ca AjJA pAlana karane kI jo zakti hai na, usake jitane prayatna rahate haiM utanA hI usakA lAbha kama hotA jAtA hai ! praznakartA : arthAt jitanA AjJA kA pAlana kiyA jAe utanI hI prajJAzakti khilatI jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaisA nizcaya bala honA caahie| praznakartA : lekina isameM nizcaya bala kisakA hai ? dAdAzrI : sabakucha khuda kA hI /

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[1] prajJA 47 praznakartA : aisA hai ki nizcaya khuda hI karatA hai aura phira khuda hI balavAna hotA jAtA hai ? vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : jaba azuddha citta aura mana vagairaha kA z2ora rahatA hai taba nizcaya bala baMda ho jAtA hai| yaha saba jisameM kama hai, usameM citta zuddhi z2yAdA maz2abUta rahatI hai| dakhala karate haiM na ye saba, varnA hama bhale hI kitanA bhI ekAMta meM dhyAna karake baiThe hue hoM lekina bAhara loga ho-ho-ho kareM to? isI prakAra ye saba bAhara ho-ho-ho hotA hai na, to jise jyAdA ho-ho-ho hotA hai, usakA ThikAnA nahIM pdd'taa| praznakartA : yaha cIz2a bahuta karekTa hai| bAhara kI ho-ho kama ho jAe to... dAdAzrI : hamArI yaha bAhara kI ho-ho nahIM hai, to hai kyA koI jhaMjhaTa? jabaki Apako to agara tIna logoM kI ho-ho rahe to bhI ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI hai, 'mujhe aisA kara rahe haiN| mujhe aisA saba sparza hI nahIM karatA na! maiM isa prakAra se baiThatA huuN| bAhara baiThatA hI nahIM na! mujhe zauka nahIM hai aisaa| Apako agara zauka hai to bAhara baiThakara tIna logoM ke sAtha Apa ho-ho karo, maiM to apane rUma (AtmA) meM baiThe-baiThe (nATakIya rUpa se) ho-ho karatA rahatA huuN| itane sAre loga! isakA kaba aMta AegA? praznakartA : Apa khuda ke rUpa meM isa taraha siphata se saraka jAte haiM, cale jAte haiM aNdr| dAdAzrI : baiThA huA hI hU~ aNdr| bAhara nikalatA hI nahIM huuN| zAyada kabhI parachAI dikhAI dI ho to Apako lagatA hai ki bAhara nikale hoMge, vahI bhUla hai| vAstava meM vaha maiM nahIM huuN| praznakartA : vaha bAta sahI hai| hamAre khIMcane para bhI nahIM aate| dAdA kI prajJA kI anokhI zakti dAdAzrI : agara maiM bAhara nikalU~ to ina bhAI ke ghara kauna jAegA?

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) Ate haiM na Apake yahA~ subaha pA~ca baje ! vaha hamezA kA hai na! ve amarIkA vAle bhI kahate haiM ki 'mere yahA~ Ate haiN'| jAte haiM, vaha bAta to sahI hai na! praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha kauna jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : lekina yaha hakIkata hai na ki jAte haiM ! praznakartA: logoM ko anubhava hotA hai / yahA~ se jAte haiM, vaha mAlUma nahIM hai, lekina unheM aisA lagatA hai / vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba to zakti hai na, prajJAzakti kI z2abaradasta 48 zakti ! praznakartA : hama dAdAjI kA smaraNa karate haiM aura dAdA hamAre ghara para Akara AzIrvAda dete haiM, vaha kyA hai ? vaha phinominA (ghaTanA) kyA hai ? vaha kauna sI prakriyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha sArA prajJA kI prakriyA meM jAtA hai I praznakartA : hama yAda karate haiM aura dAdA A jAte haiM, to taba ApakA kucha aMza AtA hai yA saMpUrNa AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha sArA prajJA kA kAma hai| dAdA jo yAda Ate haiM na, vaha to AtmA ke taura para eka hI svabhAvI haiM / ApakA hI AtmA dAdA banakara kAma kara rahA hai / arthAt yaha cIz2a khuda ke bhAva para AdhArita hai aura phira ve bhAva prajJA ke hone cAhie / taba agara koI kahe ki ' ajJAnI logoM ko bhI unake guru dikhAI dete haiN'| to vaha citta kI zuddhatA hai ! praznakartA : to 'ApakI tarapha se prajJAzakti kAma kara rahI hai ? unheM jo anubhava hotA hai ki dAdA yahA~ para Ae the, vaha ApakI prajJAzakti kI vajaha se hai yA unakI prajJAzakti kI vajaha se ? dAdAzrI : yaha jo prajJAzakti hai, usI meM se hai / jo 'jAte' haiM, unhIM kI prajJAzakti hai / praznakartA : 'jAtA' hai kA matalaba ?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : unake pAsa 'jo' Ate haiM, 'unakI' prjnyaashkti| praznakartA : 'unake pAsa jo Ate haiM', mUlataH vaha aisI jo kalpanA karate haiM yA unheM aisA AbhAsa hotA hai to vaha unakA khuda kA hI huA na? Apako to jaba batAyA tabhI patA calA ki Apa vahA~ para gae the| dAdAzrI : vaha to, agara unake bhAva hoMge to mila jaaegaa| usa zakti ko dera nahIM lgtii| sAmane vAle kA bhAva ho to zakti pahu~ca jAtI hai| yahA~ se amarIkA bhI pahu~ca jAtI hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo ApakI prajJAzakti hai, vaha to vItarAga bhAva se hai| jo bhAva karate haiM, khiMcakara unake pAsa calI jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : khiMcakara calI jAtI hai| aura kyA? jinakA bhAva maz2abUta hotA hai, khiMcakara unake pAsa calI jAtI hai| praznakartA : kyA Apako patA cala jAtA hai ki vaha khiMcakara calI gaI? dAdAzrI : maiM kyoM dhyAna rakhatA phirU~? praznakartA : nahIM! dhyAna nahIM rakhate phira bhI patA cala jAtA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : yoM dikhAI nahIM detA? Apake jJAna meM yoM dikhAI nahIM detA? dAdAzrI : dikhAI detA hai lekina agara hama dhyAna rakheM taba na! hama usa tarapha kyoM dhyAna rakheM? kitane hI logoM kI philmeM haiM, usameM maiM kahA~ dhyAna rakhU aura kaba usakA aMta Ae? praznakartA : aisA karane kI kyA z2arUrata hai? dekhate rahanA hai| dAdAzrI : usameM to balki inTaresTa A jaaegaa| aisA hai ki

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) Adata par3a jaaegii| hameM vaha philma dekhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / philma dekhanI ho to thieTara meM jAkara na dekha leM ? philma to khatma ho jAtI hai tIna ghaMToM meM, jabaki yaha to jAegI hI nahIM apane pAsa se| nahIM ? samabhAva se nikAla meM prajJA kA rola praznakartA : prajJAzakti kA eka naMbara kI phAila para kaMTrola hai yA dAdAzrI : nahIM ! no kaMTrola / praznakartA : aba maiM kahU~ ki 'caMdUbhAI, Apa z2arA isameM ThIka se dhyAna rkho'| aba caMdUbhAI se yaha kisane kahA ? usa samaya jo vyavahAra kriyA hotI hai, vaha buddhi kI hai yA ahaMkAra kI hai yA phira prajJA kI hai ? dAdAzrI : vyavahAra kriyA buddhi aura ahaMkAra donoM kI hai| praznakartA : usameM prajJA hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : prajJA nahIM hai / prajJA to, jo aisA batAtI hai ki samabhAva se nikAla karanA hai, vaha prajJA hai| praznakartA : lekina buddhi aura ahaMkAra, usameM jaba ye donoM bhAga lete haiM taba to phira vaha kriyA vyavasthita ke adhIna rahakara huI na ? dAdAzrI : vyavasthita ke adhIna hI hai, ApakI koI jokhimadArI nahIM hai| praznakartA : jaba 'maiM' caMdUbhAI se kucha kahatA hU~, taba to phira 'maiM' arthAt prajJA hI kahatI hai na caMdUbhAI se ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha prajJA hI kahatI hai / 'maiM' prajJA hI hai / praznakartA : usake bAda bAkI kI kriyA kyA vyavasthita ke adhIna hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vyavasthita ke adhIna hai lekina agara vyavasthita

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[1] prajJA 51 ke adhIna rahakara sAmane vAle ko hAtha laga jAe to Apako kahanA cAhie ki 'caMdUbhAI atikramaNa kiyA, isakA pratikramaNa karo', bs| usase phira vo sephasAiDa rahatI hai| use agara koI choTA-moTA duHkha ho jAe to harja nahIM hai, lekina pratikramaNa kara lene ke bAda hameM koI lenAdenA nahIM rhegaa| praznakartA : phAiloM kA nikAla kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJAzakti hai| vahI saceta karatI hai, sabhI kucha vahI karatI hai| phAiloM kA nikAla vagairaha sabakucha vahI karatI hai| praznakartA : to phira caMdUbhAI bhI phAila hai na, isIlie mana meM zaMkA huii| isIlie maiMne puuchaa| varnA kyA aisA nahIM hai ki caMdUbhAI sabhI phAiloM ko dekhate haiM? dAdAzrI : aisA ho hI nahIM sakatA na! caMdUbhAI ko lenA-denA nahIM hai| phAiloM kA nikAla prajJAzakti karatI rahatI hai aura sAvadhAna bhI karatI hai| kucha bhUla ho jAe na to saceta karatI hai| caMdabhAI saceta nahIM krte| caMdUbhAI to bhUla vAle haiM, AtmA bhI saceta nahIM krtaa| AtmA saceta karane kA dhaMdhA nahIM krtaa| ataH yaha saba kAma prajJAzakti hI kara rahI hai| arthAt prajJAzakti phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla karatI hai| nizcaya, ajJA-prajJA ke praznakartA : nizcaya kauna karatA hai? yaha phAila naMbara vana nizcaya karatI hai? dAdAzrI : Apako hI karanA hai! Apako khuda ko nizcaya karanA hai| praznakartA : arthAt zuddhAtmA nizcaya karatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, zuddhAtmA nahIM, usakI prjnyaashkti| prajJAzakti nizcaya karavAe bagaira rahatI hI nhiiN| yaha to jJAna milate hI nizcaya kara hI letI hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : dAdA aisA kahate haiM ki 'isameM tere AjJA pAlana karane kI bAta nahIM hai| tU nizcaya kara ki tujhe AjJA meM rahanA hai, bs| bAkI saba mujha para chor3a de'| Apa aisA kahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : sirpha AjJA kA pAlana hI karanA hai| AjJA ke anusAra huA yA nahIM, vaha Apako nahIM dekhanA hai| basa! pAlana karanA hai, aisA taya kro| praznakartA : ataH yaha jo nizcaya karane kI bAta hai, usameM hama kahate haiM ki 'tujhe kucha karanA nahIM hai'| phira vApasa aisA bhI kahate haiM ki 'nizcaya kr'| dAdAzrI : ve to zabda haiM na, yoM sirpha zabda hii| DrAmeTika zabda, usameM koI kartAbhAva nahIM hai| praznakartA : hA~, yAnI isIlie vaha to sirpha bhASA kI bAta huI lekina yaha jo nizcaya hai, vaha nizcaya kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kA hI huA hai| yaha jo prajJAzakti hai na, vahI yaha nizcaya karatI hai| basa! praznakartA : lekina use jaba jJAna nahIM thA, taba ahaMkAra nizcaya karatA thA, taba prajJA nahIM karatI thii| dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| vaha ahaMkAra nahIM lekina ajJA karatI thii| aba prajJA kara rahI hai| ajJAnI ke sabhI nizcaya ajJA karatI hai aura jise jJAna prApta huA hai, usake prajJA karatI hai| ajJA aura prajJA do zaktiyA~ haiN| ajJA roMga bilIpha hai aura prajJA rAiTa bilIpha hai| praznakartA : vaha nizcaya karatI hai aisA kahane ke bajAya kyA aisA kahanA cAhie ki 'nizcaya rakhanA'? dAdAzrI : karanA yA rakhanA, jisa bhI zabda se apanA manacAhA siddha hotA hai, vahI karanA hai| zabda cAhe koI sA bhI bolo, 'karo yA rakho', usase koI pharka nahIM pdd'egaa|

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[1] prajJA praznakartA : prajJA nizcaya karatI hai yA karavAtI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha nizcaya karatI hai, karavAtI hai, sabakucha usI eka meM A jAtA hai| vaha alaga-alaga nahIM hai| praznakartA : to aisA bhI kaha sakate haiM na ki nizcaya karavAtI hai, nizcaya rakhavAtI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, kahA jA sakatA hai| kula milAkara vahI kA vahI hai| vaha eka hI cIz2a hai| isameM hAtha DAlane jAe~ge to posTamaoNrTama ho jAegA, bekAra hI bigar3a jaaegaa| hama jo kahanA cAhate haiM na, vaha Azaya khatma ho jaaegaa| isameM hAtha nahIM DAlanA hai| sIdhI-sAdI bAta samajha lenI hai| bhAI, yaha prajJA kara rahI hai aura yaha ajJA kara rahI hai, basa / buddhi usameM vApasa taraha-taraha ke svA~ga bharatI hai| prajJA meM kisa prakAra se raheM tanmaya? praznakartA : 'yaha bharose vAlI aura yaha binA bharose kI pU~jI hai', aisA dhyAna rakhane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha sArA prajJAzakti kA hI kAma hai lekina jaba prajJAzakti apanA kAma nahIM saMbhAlatI, taba 'DiscArja' ahaMkAra hI sArA kAma karatA rahatA hai| vaha jaba aisA kare taba hameM use dekhanA hai ki kisameM tanmayAkAra hai! isameM, prajJA meM tanmayAkAra rahanA cAhie, usake bajAya usameM tanmayAkAra, slipa ho jAtA hai| yadi jAgRti rahegI to prajJA meM raha paaegaa| agara usameM calA jAegA to ajAgRti rhegii| praznakartA : Apane jo jJAna diyA hai to use jAgRti meM to rahanA hI hai| dAdAzrI : usakI icchA to hai lekina raha nahIM paataa| Adata par3I huI hai na! pichalI Adata par3I huI hai isalie phira usa tarapha calA jAtA hai lekina jisakA bhAva sTroMga hai, vaha to gae hue ko bhI vApasa bulA letA hai ki 'are! nahIM jAnA hai'| patA to calatA hai na khuda ko!

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54 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : prajJA meM tanmayAkAra rahane ko kahA hai, to vaha z2arA ThIka se khulAsA karake smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : sinsiyara rahanA hai| kisake prati sinsiyara hai ? aba Apako agara mokSa meM jAnA hai to prajJA ke prati sinsiyara raho aura yadi mauja-maje ur3Ane haiM to kucha dera ke lie usa tarapha cale jaao| abhI agara karma ke udaya le jAte haiM to vaha alaga bAta hai| karma kA udaya ghasITakara le jAe to bhI hameM isa tarapha kA rakhanA hai| nadI usa tarapha khIMceMgI lekina hameM to kinAre para jAne ke lie z2ora lagAnA hai| nahIM lagAnA cAhie? yA phira jaise vaha khIMce vaise khiMca jAnA hai? praznakartA : arthAt yadi usakA nizcaya pakkA hogA, tabhI sinsiyara rahegA na? dAdAzrI : pakkA hogA tabhI raha pAegA na! nahIM to phira jisakA nizcaya hI nahIM hai, usakA kyA? nadI jisa tarapha khIMcegI usI tarapha calA jaaegaa| kinArA to na jAne kahA~ raha jaaegaa| hameM to kinAre kI tarapha jAne ke lie z2ora lagAnA caahie| nadI usa ora khIMcegI para hameM isa tarapha Ane ke lie hAtha-paira mArane caahie| thor3A bahuta, jitanA khisaka pAe, utanA ThIka hai| taba taka to aMdara jamIna meM A jaaegaa| arthAt isa vijJAna se, mokSa ke lie use sAvadhAna karane vAlI prajJAzakti utpanna ho jAtI hai| usake bAda use khuda paoNz2iTiva rahanA caahie| negeTiva sensa nahIM rakhanA caahie| paoNz2iTiva arthAt usameM apanI khuzI honI cAhie aura paoNjiTiva sensa rakhate bhI haiM sabhI aura phira isa saMsAra kI koI ar3acana bhI sparza nahIM hone dete| yadi vaha khuda ThIka taraha se rahe na, to aMdara aisI seTiMga ho jAtI hai ki saMsAra kI koI ar3acana sparza nahIM hone detA! kyoMki jaba AtmA prApta nahIM huA thA arthAt bhagavAna prApta nahIM hue the, taba bhI saMsAra cala hI rahA thA to kyA prApta hone ke bAda vaha bigar3a jAegA? nahIM bigdd'egaa|

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[1] prajJA prajJA kauna se bhAga ko saceta karatI hai? praznakartA : phira yaha jo prajJA hai, kyA vaha pratiSThita AtmA ko saceta karatI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha pratiSThita AtmA ke ahaMkAra vAle bhAga ko saceta karatI hai| hA~, jise mukta honA hai, usa bhAga ko| baMdhane kA ahaMkAra aura mukta hone kA ahNkaar| vaha mukta hone vAle ahaMkAra ko saceta karatI hai| praznakartA : to vAstava meM vaha caMdUbhAI ko hI saceta karatI hai na? aisA hI huA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! ahaMkAra ko| caMdUbhAI nAma kA jo mAlika hai, ahNkaar| ahaMkAra do prakAra ke haiN| eka vaha ahaMkAra jisane yaha khar3A kiyaa| vaha ahaMkAra calA gyaa| yaha vaha ahaMkAra hai jo mukta hone ke lie vApasa lauTa rahA hai... praznakartA : use saceta karatI hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~ arthAt jo mukta honA cAhatA hai, use helpa ho gii| bAkI, jo mukta honA cAhatA hai, aisA ahaMkAra hara eka meM hai to sahI lekina jaba taka usameM prajJA utpanna nahIM hogI, taba taka kauna kahegA? isalie ulajhA rahatA hai| bhUla ke sAmane pratibhAva kisakA? praznakartA : agara hama koI bhUla karate haiM to aMdara prajJA saceta karatI hai| aba vahA~ para, jo bhUla karate haiM, aMdara jo pratibhAva hotA hai ki aisA nahIM honA cAhie, to vaha kauna batAtA hai ? kyA vaha bhI prajJA karatI hai? jo aisA pratibhAva darzAtA hai, vaha aura prajJA donoM sAtha-sAtha rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : prakAza prajJA kA hai| usa prakAza meM jo cittavRtti zuddha

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ho cukI hai, vaha vRtti aisA karatI hai lekina prakAza prajJA kA hai / ataH aisA kahA jAtA hai ki prajJA kara rahI hai| sabhI doSa batAtI hai| 56 praznakartA : lekina jo bhUla hotI hai usake sAmane prajJA kA jo hAvabhAva hai ki 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie', aisA jo pratibhAva hotA hai, ve donoM sAtha meM hI hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : vaha pratibhAva nahIM khlaataa| praznakartA : 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie', vaha pratibhAva nahIM hai ? hama se koI kharAba bhAva ho jAe to usake viruddha aisA hotA hai na ? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmabhAva hai ki 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie' aura jo ho jAtA hai, vaha dehAdhyAsa bhAva hai| donoM ke bhAva alaga haiM na ! AtmabhAva svabhAva bhAva hai aura yaha vibhAva bhAva hai I praznakartA : to kyA prajJAzakti hI vizeSa bhAva hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha ko vizeSa bhAva kahA jAtA haiM / maiM - ahaMkAra vagairaha saba vizeSa bhAva kahe jAte haiM / I praznakartA : Atmadharma kA kucha puruSArtha karanA, vaha kisakI kriyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha sArI prajJAzakti hai / prajJAzakti kaba taka rahatI hai ? jaba hameM yaha jJAna milatA hai, taba AtmA bana jAte haiM lekina abhI taka AtmA zraddhA meM, pratIti meM, darzana meM hai lekina jJAna meM nahIM AyA hai| jaba taka yaha cAritra meM nahIM A jAtA taba taka prajJAzakti kAma karatI rahatI hai| prajJA ke pariNAma kauna bhogatA hai ? praznakartA : prajJA se koI kAma hotA hai, prajJAzakti kAma karatI hai to usake jo pariNAma Ate haiM, ve pariNAma kauna bhogatA hai ?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : bhoganA kaisA ? prajJAzakti dvArA kI gaI cIz2a meM bhoganA nahIM hotaa| AnaMda hI hotA hai aura AnaMda khuda kA svabhAva hai / jise vaha AnaMda nahIM thA, vaha bhogatA hai / praznakartA : usa AnaMda ko kauna bhogatA hai ? rileTiva bhogatA hai yA riyala bhogatA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM / rileTiva hI bhogatA hai na ! riyala to AnaMda meM hI hai nA! jise kamI thI, vaha bhogatA hai aura Apa khuda hI kahate ho na ki pahale Apa aise the / aba ApakA ahaMkAra bhoga rahA hai aura Apa aba zuddhAtmA ho gae ho arthAt prajJA svarUpa meM A gae ho / ahaMkAra bhoga rahA hai isalie use jo viSAda hotA thA, use jo kamI thI, vaha sArI isa AnaMda ko bhogane se nikala jAtI hai| plasa - mAinasa ho jAtA hai| donoM alaga haiM, vedaka aura jJAyaka praznakartA : vedanIya karma ke udaya ke samaya jo vedanA kA vedana karatA hai, vaha kauna hai aura usa samaya kauna jAnatA hai ki vedanA ho rahI hai ? dAdAzrI : vedana karatA hai ahaMkAra aura prajJA jAnatI hai| prajJA jo hai, vaha vedaka ko bhI jAnatI hai aura yaha jo vedaka hai, vaha vedanA kA vedana karatA (bhugatatA) hai / vedaka arthAt ahNkaar| ahaMkAra meM sabhI kucha A gyaa| ahaMkAra mAnatA hai ki yaha duHkha mujhe hI ho rahA hai, isIlie vaha vedatA hai| isI vajaha se use vedaka kahA jAtA hai aura prajJAzakti ise jAnatI hai| aba apane kAphI kucha mahAtmAoM meM prajJAzakti ( eka tarapha) raha jAtI hai aura ve vedaka bhAva meM A jAte haiM / usase duHkha bar3ha jAtA hai, bAkI unheM anya koI nukasAna nahIM hotA / yadi khuda tanmayAkAra ho jAe to duHkha bar3ha jAtA hai / maiM yahA~ para sabhI baccoM ko prasAda detA huuN| agara prema se prasAda

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) deM to unheM duHkha nahIM hotA lekina agara z2arA sA bhI mu~ha bigAr3akara diyA jAe to una para asara ho jAtA hai| usakA kAraNa yaha hai ki usameM ahaMkAra mizrita hai| jabaki prema meM khAne vAle meM bhI ahaMkAra ekAkAra nahIM hai aura dene vAle meM bhI ahaMkAra ekAkAra nahIM hai| ahaMkAra kA astitva hI nahIM hai vahA~ para, isalie acchA lagatA hai| ataH yadi isameM hama vedaka meM ekAkAra ho jAe~ to bahuta duHkha hogA lekina yadi jJAyaka rahA jAe to duHkha bilkula kama ho jaaegaa| agara 'jAnane' meM rahe to aisA rahegA jaisA ki prema se dene para mahasUsa hotA hai na! prajJA pariSaha praznakartA : jJAna kA aMza prApta hone para kyA vANI kA udaya hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, hotA hai| vANI kA udaya jAgRta hotA hai aura usa udaya ke jAgRta hone ke bAda yadi use bolane nahIM diyA jAe taba prajJA pariSaha utpanna hotA hai| usakA samabhAva se vedana karanA pdd'egaa| vANI kA udaya apane Apa hI hogaa| usake bAda phira jJAnavANI niklegii| vANI aisI nikalegI ki sAmane vAle ko samajhA skeNge| lekina Apake samajhAne para bhI yadi vaha nahIM sune to Apako prajJA pariSaha utpanna hogaa| praznakartA : kyA aisA bhI ho sakatA hai ki icchA to hogI bolane kI, kisI ko samajhAne kI, lekina maiM vANI dvArA prakaTa na kara pAU~? dAdAzrI : hA~, ho sakatA hai| vANI dvArA prakaTa honA to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai| vaha to jaba bahuta dinoM taka Apa sunate rahoge, taba jAkara vaha zrutajJAna pragamita hogA aura phira vaha matijJAna meM rUpAMtarita hogaa| phira vaha vANI ke rUpa meM niklegaa| ata: bahuta dinoM taka sunate rahanA hai phira aMdara usakA dahI jamatA rhegaa| usake bAda makkhana nikalegA, phira usase ghI bnegaa| yadi vistAra se samajheM to aisA hai yaha sb|

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[1] prajJA 59 aura agara kisI kI bhUla ho, vaha bhI kahanA ho, khuda kA jJAna batAnA ho aura agara kahane kA avasara nahIM mile, taba bhI aMdara pariSaha utpanna hotA hai| 'kaba bolU~', 'kaba kaha dUM', 'kaba kaha dU~', vaha hai prajJA prissh| __ bhagavAna ne jo pariSaha batAe haiM, unameM prajJA ko bhI pariSaha kahA hai| kramika mArga meM prajJA pariSaha utpanna hone ke bAda samakita hotA hai| vAstavika samakita usake bAda hI hotA hai| apane yahA~ para jJAna milane ke bAda yaha saba nikalatA hI rahatA hai, khicar3I pakatI hI rahatI hai| yadi Apa upAzraya meM jAkara bAta karane lagoge to koI ApakI sunegA nahIM nA? Apa bilkula sahI bAta kahane jAoge to bhI nahIM suneMge isIlie to Apako prajJA pariSaha utpanna hotA hai| maiM apanI sahI bAta batA rahA hU~ lekina sunate hI nhiiN| aisI becainI hotI hai, use pariSaha kahA gayA hai| usa pariSaha kA samabhAva se nikAla karane ke bAda prajJA aura z2yAdA maz2abUta ho jaaegii| zraddhA va prajJA kI sUkSma samajha praznakartA : zraddhA, prajJA, dRSTA aura cetana, inake bAre meM kucha btaaie| dAdAzrI : dRSTA aura cetana eka hI haiN| zraddhA do prakAra kI hotI haiN| saMsAra vyavahAra meM jo zraddhA rakhI jAtI hai, vaha saba mithyAtva zraddhA hai aura agara isa tarapha A jAe, to vaha samyaktva zraddhA hai, jise pratIti kahA jAtA hai| vaha cetana kA bhAga hai aura prajJA bhI cetana kA bhAga hai lekina prajJA alaga hai| zraddhA, vaha pratIti vAlA bhAga hai aura phira vApasa (AtmA ke sAtha) eka ho jAtI hai| taba taka yaha zraddhA va pratIti to hamezA alaga hI rheNge| guNoM ko lekara donoM alaga hI haiM lekina svabhAva se eka haiN| praznakartA : isake lie tIna aMgrejI zabdoM kA upayoga kiyA gayA

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) hai| phetha (faith)- zraddhA, rIz2ana (reason)-prajJA aura kaoNnziyasanesa (consciousness) cetana hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, artha to kise kahate haiM? jo samatola ho, use artha kahate haiN| yadi dasa ratala isa tarapha hai to usa tarapha bhI dasa ratala honA caahie| jabaki isa tarapha zraddhA, prajJA aura cetana dasa ratala haiM to usa tarapha Der3ha ratala haiM, tInoM hI (faith, reason, consciousness) / praznakartA : to imbailensa (asaMtulana) ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : arthAt Der3ha ratala (pAunDa/454 grAma) matalaba vaha sthUla vastu hai jabaki yaha dasa ratala yathArtha vastu hai| arthAt yaha Der3ha ratala hai aura vaha dasa rtl| praznakartA : lekina Apane kyA kahA thA? jo cetana hai, usI ke do bhAga haiM-zraddhA aura prjnyaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, zraddhA to usakA mUla svabhAva hI hai| jaba vaha pratIti meM AtA hai taba zraddhA ke rUpa meM hotA hai aura taba prajJA alaga ho jAtI hai aura prajJA khuda kA kArya pUrA karane ke bAda ekAkAra ho jAtI hai| prajJA, ajJA kA nAza karane ke lie hai| prajJA meM ajJA kA nAza karane kA guNa hai lekina alaga hokara ajJA kA nAza karane ke bAda vaha turaMta AtmA meM mila jAtI hai| ataH prajJA to khuda hI AtmA hai lekina kyoMki vaha alaga ho jAtI hai isalie use prajJA kahA gayA hai| praznakartA : to isameM besa hai shrddhaa| jise Apa pratIti kahate haiM, vh| dAdAzrI : hA~, pratIti besa hai| isakA matalaba use isa jagat kI ulTI pratIti baiThI hai yA sIdhI, usa anusAra yaha clegaa| ulTI pratIti isa saMsAra meM bhaTakAtI hI rahatI hai| yadi pratIti sIdhI ho jAe to mokSa meM le jaaegii| pratIti baiThAne vAle nimitta kI z2arUrata hai|

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[1] prajJA 61 saMbaMdha, sUjha aura prajJA ke bIca praznakartA : to yaha jo kudaratI sUjha hai usakA prajJA se kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo sUjha hai, vahI prajJA kI ora le jAtI hai| hA~, vaha sUjha hI kAma karatI hai| agara isameM kudaratI rUpa se koI kAma karatA hai to vaha sirpha sUjha hai| ajJAna dazA meM sUjha hI kAma karatI hai| praznakartA : vaha prajJA kA bhAga nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! sUjha arthAt jahA~ AvaraNa khula gae haiN| praznakartA : lekina kyA vaha prajJA kI tarapha le jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : usI tarapha, paramAnenTa kI tarapha le jAtI hai| praznakartA : lekina vaha jo bhAva hai, vaha bhAva kahA~ AegA isameM? dAdAzrI : vaha jo bhAva karatA hai, vaha sUjha (samajha) meM se hI AtA hai| ahaMkAra alaga cIz2a hai lekina jo samajha hai, vaha samajha bar3hatebar3hate-bar3hate-bar3hate prajJA taka pahu~ca jAtI hai| aura jaba prajJA utpanna ho jAtI hai taba vaha AtmA meM hI mila jAtI hai| lekina sUjha, samajha kA bhAga hai to vaha usa samajha ke anusAra, jJAna ke anusAra bhAva karatA hai| vaha hai darzana, sUjha nahIM hai praznakartA : sUjha ko prajJA kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! prajJA jJAna hai jabaki yaha sUjha to darzana hai| ajJA ko buddhi kahA jAtA hai| hameM to dikhAI detA hai, Age-pIche kA sabhI! pIche kyA ho rahA hai, vaha bhI dikhAI detA hai| agara koI kahe, 'maiM pIche khar3A hU~, maiMne hAtha U~cA kiyA yA nahIM?' vaisA nahIM dikhAI detaa| sthUla nahIM dikhAI detaa| sUkSma dikhAI detA hai| jo sUkSma vibhAga hai na, vaha sArA dikhAI detA hai| samajha kI vajaha se vaha dikhAI detA hai yaha sthUla to, jaba saMpUrNa kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai, taba dikhAI detA hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) maiMne to dekhA hai na chata se lekara tale taka saaraa| nIce bhI dekhA hai ki nIce kaisA hai ? Upara kaisA hai ? paraspekTiva (pariprekSya) kaisA hai, sabhI tarapha se dekha liyA isalie patA cala gayA ki yaha bAta to aisI hai| paraspekTiva vyU bahuta kama loga dekha sakate haiN| yoM sAmane khar3e rahanA aura paraspekTiva vyU dekhanA, donoM eka sAtha nahIM ho sktaa| hameM vaha AtA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, use sUjha kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha darzana hai| sUjha to hara eka vyakti meM hotI hai| sUjha to hara eka meM apanI zakti ke anusAra hotI hai| darzana phailA huA hai na! jisakA vistAra huA hai, vaha hai darzana! usakI to bAta hI alaga hai na! itane kar3ave anubhavoM ke bIca bhI vaha AnaMda meM rakhatA hai| usakI to bAta hI alaga hai na! praznakartA : TeparikaoNrDara bolatA hai aura 'maiM sunatA huuN| phira yaha TeparikaoNrDara hai aura maiM ise dekha rahA hU~', vaha dekhane vAlA bhAga prajJA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha bhAga prajJA hai| praznakartA : isIlie Apa kahate haiM na ki 'dekhakara bolatA huuN| dAdAzrI : dekhakara bolatA huuN| pahale jo ajJA sthiti thI, vaha aba prajJA sthiti ho gaI hai| isa akrama vijJAna ko kisase dekhA hai? prajJAzakti se| saMsAra meM to buddhi se dekhA huA jJAna kAma kA hai lekina apane yahA~ para to nirmala jJAna kI AvazyakatA hai| kyA ajJA hI ajJAna hai? praznakartA : 'ajJA arthAt ajJAna', kyA aisA nahIM hai ? hama isakA artha ajJAna samajhate haiM lekina ajJA kauna hai ? yAnI ki ajJA kI zuruAta kahA~ se huI? TheTha prajJA kI zuruAta taka kI bAunDrI buddhi kI hai| vaha sArI ajJA hI mAnI jAtI hai| to ajJA buddhi se nIcevAlA sthara hai yA buddhi kA samatulya sthara hai?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : ajJA to... buddhi kI zuruAta huI, tabhI se use ajJA kahA jAtA hai| jaise-jaise vaha buddhi bar3hatI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise ajJA bar3hatI jAtI hai| praznakartA : yaha jo ajJAna hai, vaha buddhi se bhI nimna sTeja hai? dAdAzrI : ajJAna alaga cIz2a hai aura ajJA alaga hai| praznakartA : hA~, mujhe vahI samajhanA hai| ajJAna aura ajJA ina donoM ke bIca kA pharka samajhanA hai| dAdAzrI : ajJAna to eka prakAra kA jJAna hai aura ajJA kisI bhI prakAra kA jJAna nahIM hai| sirpha buddhi ! yAnI ki eka ne kahA, 'yaha sahI hai' to dUsarA bhI kahatA hai, 'yaha sahI hai'| maica nahIM hone detaa| unakI khuda kI dRSTi se praoNphiTa aura laoNsa hai| donoM kI dRSTi alaga rahatI hai praoNphiTa meM, hara eka cIz2a meN| ajJA hamezA praoNphiTa aura laoNsa hI dekhatI hai| yahI usakA kAma hai jabaki ajJAna aisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : 'ajJAna meM eka prakAra kA jJAna hai', yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : ajJAna arthAt pUre sAMsArika jJAna ko jaannaa| vaha ajJAna kahalAtA hai| jabaki bhItara AtmA ke bAre meM jAnanA, use jJAna kahate haiN| ajJAna ko prApta karane ke lie ajJA utpanna huI hai aura jJAna ko prApta karane ke lie prajJA utpanna huii| praznakartA : hA~, ajJAna arthAt sahI-galata lekina vaha jJAna to hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| ajJAna arthAt eka prakAra kA jJAna, lekina vaha vizeSa jJAna hai| galata nahIM hai| vaha AtmA kA vizeSa jJAna hai| AtmA kA jo jJAna hai, yaha usase Age kA vizeSa jJAna hai| vizeSa jJAna hai lekina duHkhadAI hai, usake jaisA sukhadAyI nahIM hai isIlie use ajJAna kahA gayA hai| vizeSa arthAt AtmA kA vizeSa jJAna utpanna hotA hai lekina vaha

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64 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) rileTiva hone kI vajaha se vinAzI hai isalie vaha hamAre lie kAma kA nahIM hai| hama to mUla avinAzI sukha ke bhoktA haiN| sanAtana sukha ke bhoktA haiM hm| jo sanAtana ko eka ora rakhakara isa taraha bhaTakegA to kala usakA ThikAnA nahIM rhegaa| Aja manuSya yoni meM hai lekina phira kala cAra paira vAlA banakara vApasa Ar3A ho jAtA hai ! ise kyA AbarU kaheMge? lekina itanA acchA hai ki patA nahIM cltaa| agara patA calane lage to yahA~ para rauba mAranA baMda ho jAegA, ekadama DhIlA par3a jaaegaa| prajJA na to riyala hai, na hI rileTiva praznakartA : riyala aura rileTiva ko alaga kauna rakhatA hai? dAdAzrI : vinAzI ko to hama pahacAna sakate haiM na! mana-vacanakAyA se, yaha saba jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai, kAnoM se sunAI detA hai, vaha saba rileTiva hI hai| jabaki riyala kA artha hai avinaashii| aMdara prajJAzakti hai| vaha donoM ko alaga rakhatI hai| rileTiva kA bhI alaga rakhatI hai aura riyala kA bhI alaga rakhatI hai| praznakartA : to phira dAdA aisA huA na ki riyala, rileTiva aura prajJA, ye tIna cIjeM haiM ? prajJA riyala se alaga cIz2a hai? dAdAzrI : prajJA riyala kI hI zakti hai lekina bAhara nikalI huI zakti hai| jaba rileTiva nahIM rahatA, taba vaha AtmA meM ekAkAra ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : prajJA rileTiva hai yA riyala hai? dAdAzrI : 'rileTiva riyala' hai| jaba usakA kAma pUrA ho jAtA hai to mUla jagaha para baiTha jAtI hai, vApasa AtmA meM ekAkAra ho jAtI hai| prajJA 'rileTiva riyala' hai| riyala hotI to avinAzI khlaatii| praznakartA : vaha 'rileTiva-riyala' jaba 'riyala' bana jAtI hai, taba rileTiva nahIM bacatA na?

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[1] prajJA 65 dAdAzrI : riyala meM rileTiva nahIM ho sktaa| rileTiva mAtra vinAzI hai| ataH yaha prajJA vinAzI hai lekina riyala hai isalie vApasa khuda ke svabhAva meM A jAtI hai| usakA saMpUrNa nAza nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : rileTiva bhAga para prajJA kA kaMTrola hai? dAdAzrI : kisI kA bhI kaMTrola nahIM hai| balki rileTiva kA riyala para kaMTrola thA isalie zora macAte the ki, 'hama baMdhe hue haiM, hama baMdhe hue haiM, hameM mukta karo, mukta kro'| jaba jJAnIpuruSa mukta kara dete haiM, taba caina kI sA~sa letA hai ki, 'oha! aba mukta ho ge'| bheda, bhedajJAna aura prajJA meM praznakartA : jo bAra-bAra aMdara bheda DAlatA rahatA hai, usa bhedajJAna aura prajJA ke bIca kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnIpuruSa bheda rekhA DAla dete haiN| phira usake bAda prajJA utpanna hotI hai| taba taka prajJA utpanna nahIM hotii| jaba taka bheda rekhA na DAleM, taba taka ajJA to hai hii| praznakartA : prajJA aura bhedajJAna meM kyA pharka hai ? dAdAzrI : bhedajJAna ho jAne ke bAda hI prajJA utpanna hotI hai| prajJA lAiTa hai aura yaha bhedajJAna bhI lAiTa hai| vaha lAiTa to sirpha donoM ko alaga rakhane ke lie hI hai| praznakartA : aura prajJA kI paramAnenTa lAiTa? dAdAzrI : prajJA kI lAiTa TemparerI-paramAnenTa hai| vaha apane Apa hI phula lAiTa detI hai cAroM ora se, mokSa meM le jAne tk| agara utpanna ho gaI to chor3egI nhiiN| praznakartA : prajJA kA z2ora lAnA ho to kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : ina pA~ca AjJAoM kA pAlana karane se prajJA hAz2ira ho

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jAtI hai| anya kucha nhiiN| Apako AjJA meM rahane kA jo AkarSaNa rahatA hai, taba Apa pUchate ho ki aisA kisa vajaha se hotA hai ? vaha prajJA karatI hai| jo prakAza detI hai, usakA nAma prajJA rakhA gayA hai| ___ 'aisA karane se buddhi mara jAegI praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, yaha deha nahIM hU~' vaha bhI buddhi hI kahatI hai na? dAdAzrI : isameM vaha buddhi nahIM kahatI hai| buddhi aisA kahane hI nahIM degI ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| agara buddhi 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kahane de to usakA khuda kA nAza ho jaaegaa| usakA khuda kA astitva khatma ho jaaegaa| ata: vaha khuda isa pakSa meM baiThatI hI nahIM hai kabhI bhii| agara vaha 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bolegI to mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra kA saMpUrNa astitva hI khatma ho jAegA isalie mana bhI aisA kucha eksepTa nahIM karatA (jJAna milane ke baad)| sabhI samajhate to haiM lekina jaba DiscArja kA phorsa AtA hai, taba vaha eksepTa nahIM krtaa| buddhi to hamezA saMsAra ke pakSa meM hI rahatI hai, kabhI bhI zuddhAtmA ke pakSa meM nahIM rhtii| virodhI pakSa meM rahatI hai| praznakartA : pratiSThita AtmA kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~? dAdAzrI : vaha nahIM khtaa| AtmA meM se prajJA alaga huI hai, vaha kahatI hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura vaha pratiSThita AtmA ko dekhatI hai ki yaha laTU kyA kara rahA hai ! zuddhAtmA meM rahakara dekhatI hai vh| praznakartA : prajJA dekhatI hai? dAdAzrI : sArA kAma abhI prajJA hI kara legii| jaba taka mokSa meM na cale jAe~, jaba taka yaha sAmAna hai, taba taka prajJA hai| isa sAmAna ke khatma hote hI prajJA aMdara zuddhAtmA meM ekAkAra ho hI jaaegii| praznakartA : jaba aisA kahate haiM ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to use bhI prajJA hI dekhatI hai?

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[1] prajJA dAdAzrI : bolatA hai TeparikaoNrDara lekina bhAva prajJA kA hai / praznakartA : to kyA vaha prajJA kI sahaja kriyA hai ? 67 dAdAzrI : prajJA kI sabhI kriyAe~ sahaja hI hotI haiM, svAbhAvika / zuddhAtmA, pratiSThita AtmA aura prajJA praznakartA : zuddhAtmA aura pratiSThita AtmA ke bIca saMbaMdha prajJA ke mAdhyama se hai na ? dAdAzrI : donoM kA saMbaMdha ? hameM prajJA se saMbaMdha hai / (jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA hai) una logoM meM prajJA hai hI nhiiN| unameM ajJA ke mAdhyama se saMbaMdha hai| praznakartA : AtmA ke sAtha ajJAna kA saMbaMdha hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko ajJAna sparza kara hI nahIM sakatA na ! prakAza ko aMdherA chU kaise pAegA? vaha to AdhAra rahita hai jabaki yaha (AtmA) to khuda ke AdhAra para khar3A hai| praznakartA: khuda ke arthAt kyA ? dAdAzrI : arthAt khuda ke guNadharmoM ke AdhAra pr| pudgala khuda ke guNadharmoM ke AdhAra para / pratiSThita AtmA yAnI pAvara / pAvara vAlA khatma ho jAegA jabaki mUla 'vastu' ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| basa, isake alAvA kucha bhI nahIM hai / praznakartA : yaha pratiSThita AtmA mUla vastu meM se utpanna huA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina aisA saMyogavaza huaa| praznakartA : jo prakRti ko jAnatA hai aura prakRti ke AdhAra para calatA hai, vaha kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra hai, basa / prakRti ko jAnatA hai| jaba usa para socane baiThatA hai taba sabhI kucha jAnatA hai /

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kisa vajaha se ye sAre doSa hue, vaha yaha sabakucha jAnatA hai| kucha hI bhAga nahIM jAnatA, bAkI sabakucha jAnatA hai| ninyAnave taka jAna sakatA hai, sau taka nahIM jAna sktaa| buddhi kA bahuta z2yAdA vikAsa kare to ninyAnave taka jAna sakatA hai lekina isake bAvajUda bhI usa ahaMkAra se kAma nahIM ho sktaa| zuddha kI hI AvazyakatA hai| praznakartA : jo khuda ko jAnatA hai aura khuda ke AdhAra para calatA hai, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : vaha apanI prajJAzakti hai| vaha khuda apane prakAza se hI jAna rahI hai| calanA arthAt bhASA meM jise calanA kahate haiM, vaha nhiiN| vaha vyApta hotI hai! jJAyakatA kisakI? praznakartA : AtmA ke svarUpa meM to sabhI cIjeM jhalakatI haiM na? AtmA kA jo svarUpa hai darpaNa jaisA, darpaNa kabhI bhI dekhane ke lie bAhara nahIM AtA lekina yoM darpaNa meM sabhI dRzya jhalakate (pratibiMbita hote) haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha jo jhalakatA hai, vaha alaga cIz2a hai lekina yaha to jJAyaka hai! to abhI yaha jJAyakatA kisakI hai? vaha prajJAzakti kI hai| hA~, kyoMki abhI prajJAzakti kAryakArI hai| mUla AtmA kAryakArI nahIM hotA hai| jaba taka yaha saMsAra hai, taba taka ke lie kAryakArI zakti utpanna huI hai| vaha hai prjnyaa| vaha prajJA sabhI kArya pUre karake, sabakucha sameTakara mokSa meM calI jAtI hai| jugala jor3I, jAgRti aura prajJA kI praznakartA : prajJAzakti aura jAgRti meM koI aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : prajJAzakti, AtmA kI pyora zakti hai aura jAgRti arthAt jisameM pyoriTI aura impyoriTI donoM hI hotI haiN| jAgRti pyora hote-hote jaba phula ho jAtI hai, taba use kevalajJAna kahA jAtA hai|

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[1] prajJA praznakartA : aba mokSa meM jAne ke bAda kyA prajJAzakti khatma ho jAegI? dAdAzrI : usake bAda prajJAzakti khatma ho jAtI hai| prajJAzakti hameM mokSa meM le jAne taka helpa karatI hai| praznakartA : mokSa meM pahu~ca jAne ke bAda jAgRti koI kAma karatI hai kyA? jAgRti maMda ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! kucha bhI nhiiN| alaga ho jAtI hai| vahA~ jAgRti hai hI nhiiN| vahA~ para to phira sirpha khuda prakAza hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : to phira mokSa meM pahu~cane taka jAgRti kI z2arUrata hai yA prajJAzakti kI? dAdAzrI : hA~, prajJAzakti aura jAgRti donoM sAtha meM calate haiN| prajJAzakti use vApasa lAne kI koziza karatI hai aura jAgRti use pakar3a letI hai| ajJAzakti kI jar3a praznakartA : ajJAzakti mUla AtmA kI kalpazakti meM se utpanna hotI hai| kyA vaha kalpazakti AtmA kA svabhAva hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ajJAzakti sAinTiphikalI utpanna hotI hai| isameM chaH tattva kArya karate rahate haiM, niraMtara! isameM jaba cetana aura pudgala donoM milate haiM, taba ajJAzakti bana jAtI hai aura jaba hama donoM ko alaga kara dete haiM to cale jAte haiM, ahaMkAra aura mamatA donoM hii| jisa taraha para (parAe) saMyogoM ke dabAva se ajJAna hote-hote, ajJAna pada utpanna ho gayA thA, usI taraha anya dabAva se (jJAnIpuruSa ke nimitta se) jJAna pada utpanna ho gyaa| vaha nahIM hai prajJA praznakartA : jitanA svabhAva utpanna hotA hai, kyA usa vibhAga ko hama prajJA kahate haiM?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha prajJA vibhAga nahIM hai| svabhAva bhAva utpanna hone para jo use bhI jAnatI hai, vaha prajJA hai| 'kitanA vizeSa bhAva kama huA aura kitanA svabhAva bhAva utpanna huA yA bar3hA', una sabhI ko jo jAnatI hai, vaha prajJA hai aura usa samaya jo yaha saba jAnatI hai ki AtmA kyA hai, vaha prajJA hai| praznakartA : prajJA bhI yoM bar3hatI-ghaTatI hai na? dAdAzrI : bar3hatI-ghaTatI hai na, prajJA bhI kama-jyAdA hotI hai| guru-laghu ho jAtI hai kyoMki aMta meM jaba svabhAva bhAva pUrNa ho jAtA hai aura aham bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai, taba prajJA khuda hI khatma ho jAtI hai| taba taka yaha prajJA kAma karatI hai| dAdA kI khaTapaTa vAlI prajJA praznakartA : dAdA meM prajJA hai ? dAdA meM? Apake bAre meM? dAdAzrI : sabhI meM! prajJA rahita to ho hI nahIM sakate na! praznakartA : dAdA jo satsaMga karate haiM, vaha sArA jo vyavahAra calatA hai, vaha prajJA se hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : lekina prajJA to hamAre lie hai, Apake lie to nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : hai na! mujhameM bhI prajJA hai na! prajJA kaba baMda hotI hai ? jaba kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai taba vaha khuda hI AtmA meM vilIna ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : vaha ekarUpa ho jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : ekarUpa ho jAtI hai| taba taka alaga hI rahatI hai, varnA mujhase khaTapaTa kaise ho pAtI? yoM 'Ao, Apako jJAna deMge', kyA yaha saba khaTapaTa nahIM kahalAegI? vaha khaTapaTa prajJA kI vajaha se hai|

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[1] prajJA 71 praznakartA : prajJA khaTapaTa karavAtI hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, aura jinameM prajJA nahIM hai, ve khaTapaTa nahIM krte| Apa darzana karane jAo aura unheM dikhAI de ki ApakA ahita hone vAlA hai, taba bhI kucha nahIM kaheMge / imozanala nahIM hoMge usa samaya / kyoMki hama meM buddhi nahIM hai| hameM buddhi imozanala nahIM karavAtI, yaha khaTapaTa prajJA karavAtI hai / Apake hitAhita kI bAta karate haiM isalie hama khaTapaTiyA kahalAte haiN| hamArI khaTapaTa kaisI hai ki 'jo sukha mujhe milA vaha sabhI ko prApta ho', yaha hai hamArI khaTapaTa / aura yadi Apa usakI prApti ke lie nahIM Ate ho to hama Apase kahate haiM ki ' bhAI kala kyoM nahIM Ae the?' koI pUche ki isameM ApakI kyA garz2a hai ? taba kahate haiM, 'yaha hamArI khaTapaTa hai, garz2a nahIM hai'| loga mujhase kahate haiM, 'dAdA yaha khaTapaTa zabda nikAla dIjie na ! kharAba lagatA hai'| maiMne kahA, 'nahIM - nahIM ! yahI acchA lagatA hai / yahI acchA hai'| dekhanA to sahI, isakI kaisI kadra hogI eka dina / khaTapaTa zabda kI kadra hogI eka dina / pUrA hI 'khaTapaTa' zabda, jisake prati logoM ko ghRNA ho gaI hai, usI khaTapaTa zabda se unheM AnaMda ho jAegA / khaTapaTa aisI bhI hotI hai, vaisI bhI hotI hai aura aisI bhI hotI hai / kRpA kA rahasya praznakartA : dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA aura jJAnIpuruSa kI kRpA, kyA donoM alaga haiM ? inameM kyA aMtara hai ? dAdAzrI : dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA, maiM jAna jAtA hU~ ki isa para acchI hai aura jJAnI ko kRpA yA akRpA se koI lenA-denA hI nahIM hai na! aisA kucha khAsa lenA-denA nahIM hai na! praznakartA : jJAnI ko kRpA se kyoM lenA-denA nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA utarane ke bAda phira jJAnI ko aura koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM rahI na !

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72 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : lekina yoM kahA to aisA jAtA hai na ki jJAnIpuruSa kA rAjIpA (gurujanoM kI kRpA aura prasannatA), jJAnIpuruSa kI kRpaa| dAdAzrI : vaha to vyavahAra meM kahane kI bAta hai| vahI bhagavAna hai aura vahI sabakucha hai| yaha to hama inakA vibhAjana karate haiN| bAkI, anya sabhI jagaha para to vibhAjana hotA hI nahIM hai na! hama isIlie isakA vibhAjana karate haiM tAki logoM ko karekTa lage ki yaha sApha-sApha bAta hai! aura hameM koI aisA zauka nahIM hai bhagavAna bana baiThane kaa| praznakartA : lekina dAdA bhagavAna khuda aMdara vItarAga haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, viitraag| praznakartA : to phira unheM aisA kyoM hai ki kama yA jyAdA kRpA utAranI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| unake (bhagavAna ke) alAvA, hama jo jJAnI haiM, unheM aisA nahIM hai ki 'ye saba hameM bhagavAna kahakara bulAe~ to acchaa'| usa svAda aura usa miThAsa kI koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| vaha sArI bhUkha miTa cukI hai| praznakartA : nahIM, vaha to ThIka hai lekina ye apane dAdA bhagavAna... dAdAzrI : ve to saMpUrNa vItarAga hI haiN| praznakartA : jo kRpA utaratI hai, vaha oNTomaiTika hai na? vaha svayaM (apane Apa hI hotI) hai na? yA phira dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA hai ? dAdAzrI : dAdA bhagavAna, ve to vItarAga prabhu haiM lekina yaha jo prajJA hai na, isa prajJA dvArA sArI kRpA milatI hai| praznakartA : lekina aba, jJAnIpuruSa meM to AtmA khuda hI hai, phira prajJA kahA~ se AI? dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha kRpA prajJA ke mAdhyama se milatI hai| prajJA

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[1] prajJA to sabhI jagaha rhegii| prajJA to, jaba taka mokSa meM na pahu~ca jAe~, taba taka bAhara rahakara kAma karatI rhegii| praznakartA : yAnI usa prajJA se hama para kRpA utaratI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, prajJA se kRpA utaratI hai| taba hameM patA cala jAtA hai ki kRpA utarI hai isa vyakti pr| praznakartA : lekina kyA phira prajJA ko vItarAgatA meM parezAnI nahIM AtI? dAdAzrI : prajJA vItarAga hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : prajJA vItarAga nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : ho hI nahIM sakatI na! prajJA to ina saba kA nikAla karane kI hI jhaMjhaTa lekara AI hai| jaise-taise karake, saba sameTakara use mokSa meM le jAnA hai| yahI usakA kAma hai| praznakartA : lekina ApakI prajJA to bahuta bar3I hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to khUba DevelapDa hai lekina kAma to usakA bhI yahI hai| hama aisA kahate bhI haiM ki 'dekho bhAI, bhagavAna kI kRpA kama ho gaI hai tuma pr'| praznakartA : arthAt vaha prajJA kI hI bAta hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina aisA bhI kahate haiM ki kRpA kucha kAraNoM kI vajaha se kama ho gaI hai| una kAraNoM ko badala do to vApasa milegii| praznakartA : lekina kyA ve sArI bAteM prajJA kI haiM? dAdAzrI : dAdA bhagavAna to vItarAga hI haiM na! vItarAga ko to aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : to kyA prajJA kevalajJAna hone taka rahatI hai?

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74 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : taba taka, TheTha taka prajJA hai| kevalajJAna hone ke bAda nahIM rhtii| praznakartA : kevalajJAna hone ke bAda meM tIrthaMkara banate haiM athavA kevalI banate haiM to phira unakI kRpA kA to prazna hI nahIM uThatA kyoMki prajJA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : pUrNa ho jAtA hai na! sabakucha khatma ho jAtA hai| jaba taka prajJA hai taba taka deha ke sAtha kucha lenA-denA hai, usake bAda to deha se bilkula alaga! hameM kevalajJAna nahIM huA hai| hA~, phira bhI hamane yaha dekhA hai ki kevalajJAna kyA hai| jagat kalyANa meM ahaMkAra nimitta hai aura prajJA karavAtI hai praznakartA : hameM nimitta banAkara jagat kalyANa kA kAma kauna karavAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha saba prajJAzakti kA kAma hai| prajJAzakti saba karavAtI hai| isameM AtmA kucha nahIM krvaataa| AtmA meM karavAne kI koI zakti hai hI nhiiN| igoiz2ama nimitta hai| praznakartA : nimitta hai igoij'm| 'maiM kara rahA hU~, vaha nimitta dAdAzrI : hA~, kauna karavAtA hai ? prjnyaashkti| sabakucha prajJAzakti kA hI kAmakAja hai| praznakartA : aba yaha saba jo dikhAI detA hai, vaha AtmA meM dikhAI detA hai lekina dekhane vAlA to usase pare hai na? dAdAzrI : AtmA meM saba pratIta hotA hai| alaga hai, aisA dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina jo usakA varNana karatA hai, vaha dekhane vAlA to usase pare hI hai na?

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[1] prajJA 75 dAdAzrI : varNana karanA, vaha sArA prajJA kA kAma hai| ajJAzakti jo varNana karatI thI, vaha buddhi bala se karatI thI aura prajJAzakti jJAna bala se karatI hai, svAbhAvika bala se / praznakartA : ajJA parigraha sahita bAta karatI hai aura prajJA parigraha ke binA bAta karatI hai| dAdAzrI : nAma mAtra ko bhI parigraha nahIM / no parigraha ! taba taka prajJA hI jJAtA-dRSTA praznakartA : hama yaha jo jJAtA - dRSTA bhAva meM rahate haiM, to usa jJAtA - dRSTA bhAva meM prajJA rahatI hai yA AtmA ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, abhI prajJA hI jJAtA - dRSTA hai| prajJA AtmA kA hI bhAga hai| abhI sArA kAma prajJA kara rahI hai / vaha prajJA jaba AtmA meM ekAkAra ho jAtI hai taba kevalajJAna hotA hai aura kevalajJAna hone ke kucha samaya bAda mokSa meM calA jAtA hai / praznakartA : abhI ApakA, jJAnIpuruSa kA AtmA to jJAtA-dRSTA hai| hama meM prajJA jJAtA - dRSTA hai| dAdAzrI : mujhameM bhI prajJA hai / jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka prajJA hai| praznakartA : to phira AtmA sabhI kucha jAnatA hai, dekhatA hai| kyA AtmA hI jAnatA aura dekhatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI, lekina vaha prajJA nAmaka bhAga hai / praznakartA : to isa jJAna prApti ke bAda jo khuda kI prakRti ko dekhatA hai, vaha khuda kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI, AtmA hI dekhatA hai / aura kauna ? sabakucha AtmA ke hI sira para / AtmA arthAt phira vahI, prajJA / yahA~ para phira

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76 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ise sIdhA AtmA nahIM mAnanA hai| AtmA arthAt prajJA hI sArA... yaha sArA kArya karatI hai lekina hama use AtmA kahate haiN| basa itanA hI hai ki kahate haiN| praznakartA : maiM to pahale aisA samajhA thA ki hama mahAtmAoM meM jJAna lene ke bAda prajJA hI jAgRti ko sahI rakhatI hai| koI bhI doSa hone para turaMta TokatI hai ki, 'itane, ye-ye doSa hue haiN'| dAdAzrI : hA~, saceta karatI hai, saceta karatI hai| praznakartA : lekina yahI jJAtA-dRSTA rahatI hai, vaha ThIka se samajha meM nahIM AyA thaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM! saba jagaha prajJA hI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| AtmA sirpha kevalajJAna ko hI dekha sakatA hai| praznakartA : arthAt jaba kevalajJAna hotA hai tabhI AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA banatA hai, taba taka prajJA hI kAma karatI hai| dAdAzrI : yaha bhI AtmA hI hai| ise alaga mata maannaa| isa taraha se Apa alaga karane jAoge to Apako samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| praznakartA : to phira Apa ise prajJA kyoM kahate haiM ? AtmA hI kaha dIjie n| dAdAzrI : haM ! aisA kaha dete haiM lekina usameM bhI loga vApasa khuda kA kucha le Ate haiN| samajhAne ke lie vistArapUrvaka kahA hai| vistAra kA artha aisA mata lagAnA ki yo... praznakartA : agara ise bArIka kAteM to prajJA aura moTA kAtanA ho to AtmA to phira kyA mUla AtmA saceta nahIM karatA? dAdAzrI : hA~, mUla AtmA saceta nahIM krtaa| abhI prajJA saceta kara rahI hai| bAda meM vaha eka hI ho jAtI hai| jaba apanI pUrI rAmAyaNa khatma ho jAtI hai, taba vaha bhI usameM (AtmA meM) samA jAtI hai|

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[1] prajJA 77 jisa jJAna se saMsAra chUTa jAtA hai, vaha AtmajJAna kahalAtA hai aura jisa samaya usa jJAna kA upayoga hotA hai, usa samaya use prajJA kahA jAtA hai| jo vartanA meM rakhavAtA hai, vaha AtmA hai aura jo zraddhA meM rakhavAtA hai, vaha prajJA hai| vartana arthAt caaritr| praznakartA : ApameM usa dekhane vAle ko prajJA kahA jAegA yA AtmA? Apake saMdarbha meM prajJA nahIM kahA jAegA yA kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : prajJA hI kahA jaaegaa| prajJA ke sivA to anya kucha kaha hI nahIM skte| AtmA to kaha hI nahIM skte| saMsAra dazA meM prajJA hI kAma karatI rahatI hai| saceta karatI hai, aMdara sabakucha vahI karatI hai| dhyAtA kauna hai aura dhyAna kisakA? praznakartA : dhyAtA, dhyeya aura dhyAna kise kahA jAtA hai ? zuddhAtmA dhyAtA hai yA pratiSThita AtmA? dAdAzrI : isa jJAna prApti ke bAda prajJA dhyAtA hai, pratiSThita AtmA bhI dhyAtA nahIM hai| prajJA dhyAtA hai| dhyeya vaha 'khuda' hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha dhyeya hai| dhyAtA aura dhyeya kI ekatA ho jAne se aMdara dhyAna utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : abhI zuddhAtmA ko dhyAtA nahIM kaha sakate? dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA (kevalajJAnI AtmA) to apanA dhyeya hai| zuddhAtmA honA, vaha apanA dhyeya hai| zuddhAtmA hI paramAtmA hai, use jo bhI kaho, vaha yahI hai| prajJA dhyAtA hai aura zuddhAtmA dhyeya hai kyoMki Apako jo yaha zuddhAtmA pada diyA hai, vaha pratIti pada hai| Apa zuddhAtmA ho nahIM gae ho lekina agara apalakSaNa dikhAI deM to Apa apane Apake lie aisA mata mAna lenA ki merA bigar3a gayA hai| isalie zuddhAtmA kahA hai| abhI usa zuddhAtmA ko prajJA kaho yA aMtarAtmA dazA kaho, dazA

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) aMtarAtmA khlaaegii| lekina aMtarAtmA dazA kaba taka hai, prajJA ke rUpa meM kaba taka hai? jaba taka phAiloM kA nikAla karanA bAkI hai, tabhI tk| phAiloM kA nikAla ho jAne ke bAda to phira phula gavarnamenTa arthAt prmaatmaa| 78 jJAna, vijJAna aura prajJA praznakartA : to jJAna, vijJAna aura prajJA, ina tInoM ke bIca meM kyA bheda hai ? dAdAzrI : jJAna arthAt jo khuda ko karanA pdd'e| jitanA jAnate haiM utanA khuda ko karanA par3atA hai aura vijJAna apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai, hameM karanA nahIM par3atA aura prajJA ina donoM ke bIca kI sthiti hai| eka bAra Apa vaijJAnika tarIke se samajha gae ki isa davAI ko pIne se iMsAna mara hI jAtA hai to Apa vApasa kabhI bhI vaha davAI nahIM piioge| agara vaijJAnika tarIke se samajha loge to ! aura yoM hI agara koI Apase kahe ki yaha davAI poiz2anasa hai aura isa davAI se mara jAte haiM to bhI iMsAna pI letA hai| ataH jo jJAna kriyAkArI hai, vaha vaijJAnika jJAna kahalAtA hai| jo jJAna kriyAkArI hotA hai, svayaM kriyAkArI, vaha hai vijJAna / aura jo jJAna kriyAkArI nahIM hai, khuda ko karanA par3atA hai, vaha jJAna hai / 'dayA rakho, zAMti rakho', vaha karanA par3atA hai| vaha phira khuda se ho nahIM pAtA, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai / ataH zAstroM meM jJAna hai, zAstroM meM vijJAna nahIM hai| zAstroM meM zAstrajJAna hai jabaki yaha vijJAna hai isalie cetana jJAna aMdara kAma karatA rahatA hai, vaha jJAna hI kAma karatA rahatA hai jabaki zAstroM kA jJAna cAhe kitanA bhI par3ho, raTo, lekina vaha kAma nahIM krtaa| hameM karanA par3atA hai, jabaki yaha vijJAna to apane Apa hI kAma karatA rahatA hai| aMdara se jAgRti detA hai, sabakucha apane Apa hI hotA rahatA hai / ApameM karatA hai na, sabakucha apane Apa ? use kahate haiM vijJAna | vijJAna kA artha kyA hai ? cetana jJAna, jo jJAna cetana hai, jo jAgRti sahita hai, vahI vijJAna hai

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[1] prajJA 79 aura vahI AtmA hai| abhI prajJA ke rUpa meM hai| jaba prajJA apanA kAma pUrA kara legI, jaba ina phAiloM kA nikAla ho jAegA to prajJA khuda ke svarUpa meM A jaaegii| paramAtmA svarUpa meN| praznakartA : prajJA sva se abhinna kaba hai? dAdAzrI : abhI sva se abhinna nahIM hai, lekina yaha kahane kA bhAvArtha kyA hai? prajJA, vaha khuda hI 'svarUpa' hai| abhI jaba taka AtmA prakaTa nahIM huA hai, taba taka gunAha hote hI turaMta cetAvanI dene kA kAma prajJA kA hai| jaba vItarAgatA rahatI hai, bAhara vAle gunAha nahIM hote, taba phira prajJA khuda hI 'svarUpa' hai| buddhi se bheda, prajJA se abheda praznakartA : yaha jo abhedatA rahatI hai, vaha uccatama kakSA kI buddhi kahalAtI hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, abhedatA arthAt buddhi kA abhAva, vaha jJAnabhAva hai| jJAna se sabhI eka haiM aura buddhi se alaga-alaga haiN| praznakartA : usameM prajJA kA samAveza hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : vahI hai na! prajJA se sabhI eka hI haiM lekina buddhi se hama alaga-alaga haiN| hamane khuda meM vaha buddhi khatma kara dI hai| hama jaise-taise karake use nikAlate rahe haiM, jaise-jaise udaya meM AtI gaI vaisevaise nikAla kara diyaa| udaya ko saMbhAlakara nahIM rkhaa| mUlataH pichale janma meM nikAla dI thI, isalie isa janma meM bahuta nahIM nikAlanI pdd'ii| pahale nikAla dI thI n| aba Apako buddhi bahuta parezAna nahIM karatI na? abhedatA kI prApti arthAt ? praznakartA : abhedatA kyA hai ? 'saMpUrNa abhedatA prApta ho', aisA caraNavidhi meM mA~gate haiM na!

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : abhedatA arthAt tanmayAkAra / bhagavAna ke sAtha eka ho jAte haiM hm| abhI jo judAI hai na, zuddhAtmA aura ApameM kitanA bheda hai ki abhI pratIti se zuddhAtmA hue haiN| saMpUrNa zraddhA baiTha gaI hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', isakA vizvAsa ho gayA hai / thor3A bahuta anubhava ho gayA hai lekina usa jaise (rUpa) hue nahIM haiM / ataH bhagavAna se aisA kahate haiM ki usI jaisA (rUpa) banA do| vahI abhedatA hai / 80 praznakartA : arthAt bilkula bhI bheda nhiiN| dAdAzrI : bheda hai, abhI taka bheda hai / abhI mujhe Apako zuddhAtmA meM lAnA par3atA hai| bAda meM lAnA nahIM par3egA / abheda ho jAnA hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra zuddhAtmA ke sAtha abheda hotA hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ahaMkAra nahIM / vyavahAra kA nikAla karane ke lie yaha jo prajJA alaga huI hai na, to aba jaba vaha eka ho jAegI to kAma ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : kauna kisake sAtha abheda hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : prajJA aura zuddhAtmA / ye donoM jo alaga haiM, ve eka ho jaaeNge| abhI 'maiM 'pana prajJA meM baratatA hai / hama jisameM baratate haiM, vaha prajJA hai| aba ahaMkAra meM nahIM baratatA / ataH 'maiM' caMdUbhAI meM baratatA thA, taba ahaMkAra meM kahalAtA thA / abhI prajJA meM baratatA hai / arthAt zuddhAtmA nahIM, yAnI ki vaha, jise aMtarAtmA kahA gayA hai| hamArI yaha prajJA lagabhaga aisI hI hai jaise AtmA meM sthira ho gaI ho| ata: hameM 'zuddhAtmA' bolanA nahIM par3atA yA socanA nahIM par3atA kucha bhI aura usa rUpa meM abhedatA jaisA hI lagatA hai| z2arA sA bAkI hai, cAra pratizata kI vajaha se| jabaki Apako abheda honA hai, dhIre- dhIre-dhIre karake jaise-jaise ina phAiloM kA nikAla hotA jAegA, vaise-vaise abheda hotA jaaegaa| phAiloM kA pUrNa rUpa se nikAla ho gayA to samajho abheda ho gyaa| phAiloM kI hI jhaMjhaTa hai yaha sArI / lekina abhI vaha prajJA ke

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[1] prajJA rUpa meM hai aura prajJA bhagavAna kA aMza hai| jaba kAma pUrNa ho jAegA taba vApasa unameM samA jaaegii| bhagavAna aura AtmA eka hI haiN| AtmA jaba bhautika meM se chUTakara khuda ke svarUpa meM hI rahatA hai, taba paramAtmA kahalAtA hai| niraMtara svarUpa kI ramaNatA, vahI paramAtmA hai aura jaba taka svarUpa kI ramaNatA bhI hai aura yaha ramaNatA bhI hai, taba taka aNtraatmaa| vahI prajJA hai|

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa saMsAra kA rUTa kaoNz2a - ajJAna vedAMta kahate haiM ki mala-vikSepa aura ajnyaan| jaina kahate haiM rAgadveSa aura ajnyaan| ye donoM mata haiM mokSa meM jAne ke| ye tIna cIjeM calI jAe~ to iMsAna mokSa pA le| inameM se mukhya kaoNmana kyA hai ? to vaha hai 'ajnyaan'| rUTa kaoNz2a kyA hai ? rAga-dveSa rUTa kaoNz2a nahIM haiM, mala-vikSepa rUTa kaoNz2a nahIM haiM to phira rUTa kaoNz2a kyA hai? ajJAna / yadi ajJAna calA jAe to phira mokSa ho jaaegaa| isa jJAna prApti ke bAda yahIM se hameM mokSa baratatA hai, mukti hI baratatI hai| pahale ajJAnatA se mukti hotI hai aura phira dhIre-dhIre, dhIredhIre sabhI rAga-dveSa kA nikAla ho jAtA hai| samabhAva se nikAla hone lagA hai, to sabhI rAga-dveSa kA nikAla ho jAne para phira aMtima mukti, AtyaMtika mokSa ho jAtA hai| dehadhArI hI banatA hai vItarAga jaba taka aisA thA ki 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', taba taka rAga-dveSa the lekina ajJAna calA gayA to rAga-dveSa ge| bhale hI choTA baccA ho, lekina phira bhI yadi ajJAna calA jAe to rAga-dveSa bhI cale jAe~ge, sau prtisht| kramika mArga ke jJAniyoM kA sau pratizata ajJAna nahIM jaataa| apane yahA~ to sau pratizata ajJAna calA jAtA hai arthAt rAga-dveSa bilkula bhI nahIM haiN| praznakartA : lekina jaba taka deha hai, taba taka rAga-dveSa nahIM jaaeNge|

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa aba Apa to kahate haiM ki jaba taka ajJAna hai, taba taka rAga-dveSa nahIM jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : ajJAna calA jAegA to rAga-dveSa raheMge hI nhiiN| praznakartA : phira zarIra rahatA hai yA nahIM rahatA? dAdAzrI : zarIra bhale hI sau barasa taka rahe aura mastI meM rhe| praznakartA : vaha 99.99 prtisht| sabhI ke lie nahIM hai, vaha Apake lie hai| dAdAzrI : abhI to kitane sAre loga aise ho gae haiN| praznakartA : hA~, vaha to ThIka hai lekina yaha to rAga-dveSa chor3ane kI bAta hai ataH merA kahanA aisA hai ki jaba taka deha hai, jaba taka prANa haiM, taba taka prakRti rahegI aura taba taka rAga-dveSa haiN| dAdAzrI : to phira deha ke jAne ke bAda bacegA kyA? vaha to jaba deha kI upasthiti meM rAga-dveSa nikala jAe~ge, tabhI vItarAga kahalAegA, varnA rAga-dveSa to rahate hI haiN| vItarAga to bahuta ho cuke haiM hiMdustAna meM! ataH Apako yaha jo pahale kA prejuDisa hai na, isIlie Apako mana meM aisA lagatA hai| ataH Apako samajha lenA hai ki, 'ohoho! abhI bhI prejuDisa hai| inake pariNAma batAtA hU~ ki jahA~ rAga-dveSa hoMge, vahA~ para ciMtA hue bagaira rahegI hI nhiiN| isalie ina kramika mArga ke jJAniyoM ko ciMtA hotI hai jabaki akrama meM rAga-dveSa nahIM rahane kI vajaha se ciMtA nahIM hotii| praznakartA : saMsAra meM rAga nahIM rakheM to duHkha hotA hai aura agara rAga rakheM to mokSa ruka jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, aba Apa vAstava meM kyA ho? riyalI spIkiMga caMdUbhAI ho yA zuddhAtmA?

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84 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : shuddhaatmaa| dAdAzrI : to phira Apako rAga-dveSa vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM rhaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM aura agara vAstava meM caMdUbhAI ho to Apako rAga-dveSa haiN| yadi Apa kisI para gussA ho gae to maiM Apase itanA pUcha lU~gA ki, Apa caMdUbhAI ho yA zuddhAtmA ho? taba yadi Apa kaho ki, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to phira mujhe Apase kucha bhI kahane ko rahA hI nhiiN| agara gussA karate ho to maiM samajha jAtA hU~ ki jo mAla hai, vaha nikala rahA hai| use rokane kA hameM adhikAra nahIM hai| Apako caMdUbhAI se aisA z2arUra kahanA cAhie ki, 'aisA nahIM honA caahie'| caMdUbhAI se kahane meM harja nahIM hai kyoMki par3osI hai na! phAila naM-1! bAkI, lAina oNpha DimArkezana khiMca cukI hai| yaha bhAga ApakA hai aura yaha bhAga inkaa| jaise koI makAna ho, use vAipha aura pati bA~Ta lete haiM sahamati se| bA~Tane ke bAda phira turaMta hI samajha jAte haiM ki yaha merA nahIM hai| isI prakAra se yaha ba~TavArA karane ke bAda kyA ApakA hai aura kyA unakA, usameM dakhala kaise kI jA sakatI hai? akrama meM rAga-dveSa rahita dazA rAga-dveSa saMsAra kA kAraNa hai aura jo rAga-dveSa rahita ho gae, ve saMsAra se mukta ho ge| jagat rAga-dveSa meM hI rahatA hai| jaba taka jJAna prApta nahIM ho jAtA, samakita prApta nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka rAga-dveSa rahate haiM aura kramika mArga meM samakita prApta hone ke bAda bhI rAga-dveSa rahate haiM, yoM anupAta meN| bIsa pratizata samakita prApta ho cukA hai aura assI pratizata rAga-dveSa bace haiM aura yahA~ para akrama meM to sau pratizata rAga-dveSa cale ge| praznakartA : caMdUbhAI kI vRttiyA~ zAyada rAga-dveSa vAlI ho sakatI haiN| dAdAzrI : ise rAga-dveSa nahIM kheNge| rAga-dveSa kA matalaba kyA

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa hai ? 'maiM khuda hI caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha jo mAnyatA hai, vahI rAga-dveSa hai aura vaha mAnyatA badalatI nahIM hai| maiM so rahA hU~, maiM aisA hU~', vaha saba jAtA hI nahIM hai| jabaki yaha to, jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba kahate haiM, 'yaha merI phAila hai| maiM alaga hU~ aura phAila alaga hai'| jisane isa phAila ko phAila jAnA, vaha AtmA zuddha hI hai| kramika meM to ise, 'maiM hI hU~' aisA kahate haiN| praznakartA : to yaha jo pratiSThita AtmA hai, use rAga-dveSa hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : use bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| rAga-dveSa kaba kahA jAtA hai? jaba usameM hiMsaka bhAva hoN| yaha to sirpha DiscArja bhAva hai| jaba taka cArja aura DiscArja donoM raheM, taba vaha rAga-dveSa kahA jAtA hai| jabaki yaha to DiscArja bhAva hai arthAt bhare hue mAla kA galana (DiscArja) ho rahA hai| arthAt aba gussA ho jAtA hai yA kucha bhI hotA hai to vaha rAgadveSa nahIM khlaataa| caMdUbhAI kisI ko eka dhaula lagA de to vaha rAga-dveSa nahIM hai yA phira agara caMdUbhAI do gAliyA~ de de yA kisI ko do dhaula lagA de to caMdUbhAI ko usakA phala mila jaaegaa| Apako yaha dekhate rahanA hai ki caMdUbhAI ko logoM ne kitanI dhaula lgaaii| apanA vijJAna aba Apako samajha meM A gayA? rAga, Asakti - paramANu kA vijJAna praznakartA : lekina phira rAga meM se anurAga ho jAtA hai aura phira Asakti hotI hai aura phira cAhe koI bhI doSa ho vaha acchA hI lagatA dAdAzrI : aisA hai, rAga kaoNz2ez2a haiN| anurAga aura Asakti iphekTa haiN| to iphekTa ko baMda nahIM karanA hai, kaoNz2ez2a baMda karane haiN| kyoMki yaha Asakti kaisI hai ? eka mahilA ne kahA, 'Apane mujhe aura mere putra ko bhI jJAna diyA hai, phira bhI mujhe usa para itanA adhika

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) rAga hai| yaha jJAna diyA hai phira bhI rAga nahIM jaataa'| maiMne kahA, 'vaha rAga nahIM hai bahana / vaha Asakti hai'| taba kahane lagIM, lekina aisI Asakti nahIM rahanI cAhie na?' maiMne kahA, 'vaha Asakti Apako nahIM hai'| apane yahA~ lohacuMbaka ho aura Alapina par3I hoM to aise-aise karane se Alapina hilane laga jAtI hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : hilatI haiN| dAdAzrI : ina AlapinoM meM Asakti kahA~ se AI? usI prakAra se isa zarIra meM lohacuMbaka jaise guNa haiM kyoMki yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI hai| ilekTrisiTI se zarIra meM lohacuMbaka jaisA guNa A jAtA hai lekina vaha lohacuMbaka cAhe kaisA bhI ho para vaha tAMbe ko nahIM khIMca sktaa| kise khIMcatA hai? sirpha lohe ko, sva jAti ko| usI taraha isameM jo paramANu haiM na, apanI baoNDI meM! ve lohacuMbaka vAle haiM to sva jAti ko khIMcate haiN| vahI yaha Asakti hai, usakA tUphAna tU dekhatA raha / tU yaha dekhatA raha ki yaha zarIra aise kUdA aura kahA~ jA rahA hai vagairaha aura yaha samajhanA chor3a de ki 'mujhe ho rahA hai'| ataH vApasa phira 'mujhe aba kucha bhI nahIM chU sakatA', aisA karake durupayoga kara legA to kyA hogA? vaha to aMgAroM meM hAtha DAlane ke barAbara hai| yaha jAgRti rakhanI cAhie ki 'mujhe' arthAt kise? 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', yadi aisI jAgRti rahatI hai taba to phira use kahane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai ki 'mujhe kucha nahIM ho sakatA'! usa bacce para sirpha Asakti hai| paramANu se milate-julate paramANu A gae haiN| tIna paramANu Apake aura tIna paramANu usake, mere tIna aura Apake cAra to koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| vijJAna hai yaha saba to| pAgala patnI ke sAtha acchA lagatA hai aura samajhadAra patnI use bulAe to acchA nahIM lagatA kyoMki paramANa nahIM haiM pati meN| milatejulate paramANu nahIM haiN| bhagavAna to sirpha yaha dekhate haiM ki kitane rAga-dveSa hote haiN|

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa 87 rAga-dveSa nahIM hote ! bAkI kI saba cIz2oM se aba koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| kramika vAle dUsarI kriyAe~ kyoM baMda kara dete haiM ? kyoMki kriyAe~ haiM, isIlie rAga-dveSa hote haiN| 'ataH ina kriyAoM ko kama kara do', jabaki yahA~ para to rAga-dveSa hote hI nahIM haiM, phira kyA bacA? aba agara aisA kaheMge to vaha ulTe rAste calane lgegaa| aura agara AjJA pAlana kara rahA hogA to vaha bhI baMda ho jAegA isalie kaha nahIM sakate aura phira (AjJA pAlana) kama ho jaaegaa| ataH aisA calAte rahanA par3atA hai| nahIM hai zuddhAtmA ko rAga-dveSa abhI isa jJAna ke bAda jo rAga-dveSa hote hue dikhAI dete haiM na, vaha AkarSaNa aura vikarSaNa hai| vaha pudgala kA guNa hai lekina mujhe aisA ho rahA hai' kahA, vahI rAga hai| aura phira ye rAga-dveSa khuda kA svabhAva nahIM hai| AtmA kA svabhAva rAga-dveSa vAlA hai hI nhiiN| svabhAva se AtmA vItarAga hai| ye rAga-dveSa to pudgala kA svabhAva hai| arthAt AkarSaNa aura vikarSaNa pudgala kA svabhAva hai| pudgala ke isa svabhAva ko khuda kA svabhAva mAnakara khuda aisA kahatA hai ki mujhe rAga-dveSa ho rahe haiN| jaba taka yaha roMga bilIpha hai ki 'maiM pudgala hU~, yahI maiM hU~, caMdUbhAI hI hU~' taba taka aisA hAla rahegA aura jaba 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' chUTa jAegA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ho jAegA, taba aisA hAla nahIM rhegaa| jahA~ rAga-dveSa haiM, vahA~ AtmA nahIM hai| jahA~ AtmA hai, vahA~ rAgadveSa nahIM haiN| rAga-dveSa jitane kama AtmA utanA hI prakaTa huA hai ! rAgadveSa khatma to saMpUrNa AtmA! yAnI ki vItarAga pada de diyA hai| kyA yaha koI aisA-vaisA pada hai ? yaha ekjekTa hai| yaha vicAra karane yogya nahIM hai aura agara ciMtA zurU ho jAe to samajhanA ki yaha vItarAgatA nahIM hai| aba Apane isa tarapha kA rukha kiyA hai na, to aba Apako usake pu-i STa ke kAraNa mila Ae~ge kyoMki Apa khuda zuddhAtmA ho| yaha bAkI kA

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jo kucha bhI bacA hai na, usa jJeya aura dRzya ko Apa sAmane lAo to usase lenA-denA nahIM hai| jJeya to aisA bhI ho sakatA hai aura vaisA bhI ho sakatA hai| jJeya to, aMdara mana meM kyA kahatA hai, 'Atma hatyA karanI par3egI' lekina kise? use na! hameM kyA? hama to jAnane vAle haiN| arthAt yaha pada kucha alaga hI prakAra kA hai, vItarAga pada hai| praznakartA : pahale to jJAtA-dRSTA nahIM raha pAtA aura kahatA hai, 'nahIM, yaha mujhe seTa nahIM hogaa'| dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA hotA hai aura aba to vAstava meM jJAtA-dRSTA raha hI pAte haiM ! usameM to raha hI nahIM skte| usameM to z2arA sA aMdara kucha khiMcAva rahatA thA, AkarSaNa rahatA thaa| yaha to AkarSaNa rahita hai, kitanA acchA hai! AkarSaNa baMda huA ki vItarAgatA utpanna ho jAtI hai to yahA~ para ApakA AkarSaNa baMda ho gayA hai aura aba vItarAgatA utpanna hogii| hama meM bhI pahale kA vaisA mAla bharA huA to hai lekina AkarSaNa nahIM hotA hmeN| z2arA sA bhI AkarSaNa nahIM / ataH phira vahA~ para vItarAgatA rahatI hai hmeN| bharA huA mAla hai isalie agara Apako abhI AkarSaNa hone lage to, vaha rAga nahIM khlaaegaa| rAga karane vAlA koI honA cAhie, rAga kA kartA honA cAhie aura binA kartA ke rAga nahIM ho sktaa| kyA tU kartA hai? praznakartA : kabhI tanmayAkAra ho jAte haiM isalie kartA bana jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha to, jahA~ ruci ho vahA~ para tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai| loga jaba paise ginate haiM, taba tanmaya ho jAte haiM yA nahIM? praznakartA : ho jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~ basa! usameM koI gunAha nahIM hai| usake lie AtmA

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa aisA nahIM kahatA ki Apa tanmayAkAra kyoM ho gae? AtmA to AtmA hI hai aura dhIre-dhIre vaha dazA kama hotI jAtI hai| yaha kevalajJAna kI ora bar3hatA jAtA hai| niraMtara jJAna rahe, taba use kevalajJAna kahA jAtA hai| yahA~ to, abhI phAiloM kA nikAla karanA par3a rahA hai na! tabhI prApta ho sakatA hai mokSa kA paMtha Apa khuda caMdUbhAI bana jAo to rAga-dveSa Apake kahalAe~ge varnA use rAga-dveSa kaise kaheMge? to phira pUchate haiM ki 'yaha kyA ho rahA hai?' yaha jo ho rahA hai, vaha caMdUbhAI ko ho rahA hai aura Apa zuddhAtmA ise jAnate ho ki yaha kyA ho rahA hai aura Apa aisA bhI kahate ho ki 'aisA nahIM honA caahie'| praznakartA : hA~, vaha saba sahI hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki ApakA abhiprAya alaga hai isalie Apa vItarAga ho| ataH hamane kahA hai na ki puruSArtha to ApakA z2abaradasta cala rahA hai| puruSa hone ke bAda puruSArtha raha sakatA hai varnA yoM to z2arA sI dera ke lie bhI rAga-dveSa baMda nahIM hote| kisI para rAga-dveSa hote haiM ? praznakartA : nahIM hote| dAdAzrI : to vahI AtmA hai aura vaha yaha saba dekhatA hI rahatA hai| mana meM kharAba vicAra Ae, acchA vicAra Ae, yaha ho, vaha ho to turaMta hI saba ko dekhatA hai| kisI ne kaisI vANI bolI, kisI ne kucha burA kaha diyA yA acchA kaha diyA ho to bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| jahA~ rAga-dveSa nahIM hote, usI ko AtmA kahate hai aura jahA~ rAga-dveSa hote haiM, vaha kahalAtA hai saMsAra! dehAdhyAsa! 'rAga-dveSa, ajJAna e mukhya karma nI graMtha, thAya nivRti jehathI te ja mokSano pNth|' - zrImad raajcNdr| jisa paMtha se rAga-dveSa kI nivRti ho, vahI mokSa kA paMtha hai| Apake rAga-dveSa nivRta ho cuke haiN|

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90 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : hA~, akrama se aisA ho jAtA hai| ataH akrama mokSa kA paMtha hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, yahI mokSa kA paMtha hai| 'nahIM hai merA' kahA, tabhI se chUTane lage jise baMdhanA ho usake lie to hai hI na mArga! jise baMdhanA ho usake lie buddhi kA mArga hai hii| jise mukta honA hai usake lie hara prakAra kI chUTa hai| rAga-dveSa na kie jAe~, usI ko mokSamArga kahate haiN| jo ho use dekhatA rhe| saMsAra to hai hI rAga-dveSa kA nimitta, khuda hI nimitta hai| nimitta kyA karavAtA hai? praznakartA : rAga-dveSa hI karavAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, to phira usa nimitta meM par3eM hI nahIM na! yaha 'merA nahIM hai', aisA kaheMge to phira mukta ho jaaeNge| yaha 'merA nahIM hai' kahA ki, vaha khuda usase alaga ho gyaa| hamane jo jJAna diyA hai, usameM yaha dikhAyA hai ki 'kyA terA hai' aura 'kyA terA nahIM hai'| yadi abhI vaha aisA kaha degA to mukta ho jaaegaa| usa jJAna ko cUka gae aura ekAkAra hue ki cipaka pdd'egaa| praznakartA : aMdara se isa prakAra alaga rakhakara hI baiThane yogya hai| dAdAzrI : aMdara aura bAhara bhI alaga rakhanA hai| bAhara bhI kyA lenA-denA hai ? tujhase kyA lenA-denA hai| agara eka ghaMTe gAlI-galauca ho jAe to vaha mArapITa karane lgegaa| usase kyA lenA-denA? mana ke virodha ke sAmane... mana ke virodha karane para bhI agara rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM to bahuta ho gyaa| agara mana virodha kare to usameM harja nahIM hai lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hone caahie|

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa praznakartA : mana virodha kare taba vItarAgatA kaise raha sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : raha sakatI hai| mana ke virodha ko to dekhate rahanA hai| mana ko to pUrA dekhanA hI hai na! mana dRzya hai| praznakartA : arthAt jahA~ mana kA virodha hotA hai, vahA~ vItarAgatA nahIM raha sakatI lekina jJAtA-dRSTA rahA jA sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hI vItarAgatA hai| rAga-dveSa rahita hue bagaira jJAtA-dRSTA meM nahIM raha skte| jitane samaya taka rAga-dveSa rahita rahe utane samaya taka jJAtA-dRSTA raha skeNge| praznakartA : mana kA virodha bahuta laMbe samaya se cala rahA ho lekina phira yadi ekjekTanesa meM yaha dikhAI de ki, 'yaha mana jJeya hai aura hama jJAtA hai', to mana kA vaha virodha khatma ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : usakA samAdhAna hote hI khatma ho jaaegaa| basa! mana samAdhAna DhU~DhatA hai, kisI bhI tarIke se, eTa enI ve| agara Apa kaha dete ho ki 'samAdhAna ho gayA' to vaha khatma ho jAegA, pUrA balba ur3a jAegA usa kssnn| praznakartA : kaI bAra aisA hotA hai ki usa samaya mana ko samAdhAna ho jAtA hai lekina vaha rileTiva jJAna se hotA hai to phira vApasa usakA riaikzana to AegA hI na? dAdAzrI : usake pIche avasthAoM ke riekzana hote haiN| eka parata calI jAtI hai, phira dUsarI parata AtI hai| hara eka cIz2a parata vAlI hotI hai| aba loga to yaha nahIM jAnate ki aisI sthitiyA~ hotI haiM! kyA loga aisA jAnate haiM? isa cIz2a kI kalpanA bhI nahIM hai na logoM ko| mahAtmAoM meM nahIM rahe rAga-dveSa rAga-dveSa rahita jo sArI kriyAe~ haiM, ve pudgala kI kriyAe~ haiN|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) una saba ko kriyA nahIM mAnA jaaegaa| jo rAga-dveSa vAlI kriyAe~ haiM unameM AtmA kI javAbadehI AtI hai| cehare para cir3ha-cir3hAhaTa A jAe taba bhI hama aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki rAga-dveSa ho gae haiN| sirpha vaha vyakti hI hameM batA sakatA hai ki rAga-dveSa hue the| cehare para cir3hacir3hAhaTa dikhe to bhI hama aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki 'dveSa ho gyaa| praznakartA : lekina vaha cir3hA to vaha ekAkAra huA hogA tabhI cir3hegA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| praznakartA : vaha cir3hatA kyoM hai? dAdAzrI : vaha ekAkAra nahIM huA ho to bhI aisA ho sakatA hai, pudgala kriyA hai| use yaha pasaMda nahIM ho taba bhI yaha kriyA hotI rahatI hai| praznakartA : vaha use pasaMda nahIM hai, kyA isalie aisA kaha sakate haiM ki vaha alaga hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to dIye jaisI bAta hai na! aisA to sabhI kaha sakate haiN| choTA baccA bhI kaha sakatA hai lekina agara vaha cir3ha jAe to hama aisA nahIM mAna leMge ki ise rAga-dveSa hue haiN| agara tU cir3ha jAe to maiM yaha nahIM mAnU~gA lekina yadi anya koI nahIM cir3he taba bhI mAneMge ki ise rAga-dveSa haiN| jisane jJAna nahIM liyA ho aura bahuta zAMti se bAta kara rahA ho to bhI hama kaheMge ki 'rAga-dveSa haiN'| sAmAna taiyAra hai, rAga-dveSa vAlI mazInarI cala hI rahI hai| cir3ha jAtA hai to vaha dveSa meM hai aura nahIM cir3he to kisI rAga meM hai lekina kisI na kisI meM hai j'ruur| aura isa akrama vijJAna kA pratApa to dekho! aura phira koI sAdhu-AcArya ise kabUla bhI nahIM kreNge| isake bAvajUda bhI apane mahAtmA kabUla karate haiN| do-pA~ca nahIM, sbhii| sabhI eka sAtha sahamata hoNge| jabaki ve saba loga kyA kahate haiM ? 'are, ye sabhI pAgala lagate haiM, haM!' una saba kI duniyA sayAnoM kI aura hamArI sArI duniyA pAgaloM kI!

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa pahale to agara sAhaba kucha ulTA-sIdhA karate the to hameM rAta-dina usI bAre meM vicAra Ate rahate the aura mana meM aisA hotA rahatA thA ki 'agara maukA mile to sAle ko capeTa meM le luuN'| usake lie jo kharAba vicAra Ate the, una saba ko dveSa kahA jAtA hai aura yadi koI baoNsa hamArI bahuta helpa kare to usake lie bahuta acche bhAva hote haiM to vaha rAga kahalAtA hai, bs| aba dveSa bhI nahIM hotA aura rAga bhI nahIM hotA, samabhAva se nikAla ho jAtA hai| kriyAe~ sabhI prAkRtika haiN| unameM rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM, vahI mokSa hai| agara kar3ave para dveSa aura mIThe para rAga hotA hai to vaha ajJAnatA kA svabhAva hai| ajJAna calA jAe to kar3avA-mIThA nahIM rhegaa| phira vaha hai bharA huA mAla praznakartA : jJAna lene se pahale aura abhI bhI kaI bAra aisA hotA hai ki hameM khuda ko koI takalIpha huI ho aura vaisI hI koI takalIpha kisI aura ko bhI ho jAe to aMdara se aisA lagA ki 'acchA huA jo aisA huaa'| vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : aisA jo hotA hai ki 'acchA huA' to vaha dveSa kA pariNAma hai aura agara aisA lage ki 'burA huA' to rAga kA pariNAma hai| ve jo rAga-dveSa ke pariNAma ke bhAva aMdara bhare the, vaha mAla Aja nikala rahA hai| bhagavAna ke vahA~ kucha bhI acchA yA burA hai hI nhiiN| sabhI kucha jJeya hI hai| vaha sirpha jAnane yogya hI hai| praznakartA : jaba aisA ho taba kyA karanA cAhie? pratikramaNa kara lenA cAhie? dAdAzrI : jaba aisA ho to use dekhanA hai, yahA~ para aisA huA aura yahA~ para aisA haa| isameM hameM yahI dekhanA hai| aura yadi kabhI dveSa pariNAma se sAmane vAle vyakti ke sAtha kucha z2yAdA hI anyAya hone lage to vahA~ para caMdUbhAI se aisA kahanA hai ki, 'bhAI, tuma pratikramaNa kro| tumane aisA kyoM kiyA? ataH pratikramaNa kro'| agara aisA kucha z2yAdA

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94 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ho jAe to! yadi sAmane vAle ke lie duHkhadAI nahIM hai to koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| vaha to sirpha apanI samajha hai| hameM apanI taraha se dho denA hai| jJeya kI taraha dekhane se dhula jaaegaa| aura ajJAna dazA meM to isa taraha kisI kA kucha bigar3a jAe to aisA lagatA hai ki acchA huA aura usake prati dveSa rahatA hI hai| abhI bAda meM pIche se dveSa nahIM rhtaa| lagatA z2arUra hai ki kharAba huA, acchA huA aisA lagatA hai| ataH yaha jo saba nikala rahA hai, vaha bharA huA mAla hai| viSaya graMthi chedana, vahA~ nija spaSTa vedana praznakartA : yaha jo dveSa hai, vaha jAgRti meM rakhatA hai aura rAga tanmayAkAra karavAtA hai to ina kAma-krodha se kyA nukasAna hotA hai? usakI z2arUrata nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : kAma-krodha vagairaha sabhI duHkha hI dete rahate haiN| bahuta duHkha dete haiN| usakI z2arUrata to, aisA hai na ki jaba taka saMsAra use acchA lagatA hai, taba taka usakI z2arUrata hai lekina yadi use duHkha sahana nahIM hotA hai to vAstava meM duHkha dene vAle kAma-krodha hI haiM, beTA nahIM detaa| bAhara koI bhI du:kha nahIM detaa| ye khuda ke aMtara zatru hI duHkha dete haiN| ye SaDaripu hI duHkha dete haiN| bAhara koI duHkha dene vAlA hai hI nahIM, ye hI saba haiN| ve yadi isase alaga ho gae to niber3A A jaaegaa| yaha maiM dekhatA hU~ ki bAhara se mujhe koI duHkha nahIM detaa| jaba taka aMdara SaDaripu the, taba taka du:kha de rahe the| aba aMdara una logoM ne vaha saba baMda kara diyA hai| sabhI apane-apane gA~va cale gae haiN| ghara meM akulAhaTa hotI hai, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? kyA isalie ki pati aisA hai? nahIM! to kyA patnI aisI hai ? nahIM! rAga-dveSa haiM isalie duHkha hotA hai| rAga-dveSa nahIM hoMge to kisI ke sAtha TakarAva hogA hI nhiiN| rAga-dveSa haiM, khuda ko| rAga-dveSa arthAt svArtha / hara koI apane svArtha meM par3A rahe taba use kahate haiM raag-dvess| hameM kyA svArtha kI koI jhaMjhaTa

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa hai? hameM kisI se kucha bhI nahIM caahie| to koI jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM hai| yaha to eka rasAsvAda cakhane ke lie dekho kitanI jhaMjhaTa, kitanI jhaMjhaTa, kitanI jhaMjhaTa aura mAna lo ki cakhakara hamezA ke lie sukhI ho jAte to bhI acchA thA lekina inheM cakhane ke bAda bhI ronA-dhonA, ronaa-dhonaa| saca batAnA, ronA-dhonA hai yA nahIM, cakhane ke bAvajUda bhI? praznakartA : hotA hai| ekadama satya! dAdAzrI : yaha saba rAga-dveSa kI vajaha se hai| strI kA bhI doSa nahIM hai aura puruSa kA bhI doSa nahIM hai| acche-acche logoM ke bIca bhI jhagar3e hote haiN| usakA kAraNa hai rAga-dveSa aura yadi vItarAgatA pUrvaka hotA taba to jhagar3A hotA hI nahIM lekina aisA kaba ho sakatA hai ? AtmajJAna sahita hoM, tb| taba yadi strI kahe ki, 'ApameM akla nahIM hai' to pati kahegA, 'yaha acchA huA ki tUne Aja kahA, yaha caMdU to aisA hI hai, zurU se aisA hI hai| tUne Aja kahA taba maiMne jaanaa| tujhe to abhI patA calA, maiM to pahale se hI jAnatA hU~ isa caMdU ko!' praznakartA : jaba spaSTa vedana hotA hai, taba to viSaya-vikAra bhI nahIM rahate na? dAdAzrI : jaba taka viSaya kA astitva hai, taba taka spaSTa vedana ho hI nahIM sktaa| spaSTa vedana kaba hotA hai, jaba isa mana-vANI va deha para bhI khuda kA mAlikIpana na rhe| hamArI nirvicAra dazA hai, hamArI nirvikalpa dazA hai, hamArI nirIcchaka dazA hai, tabhI yaha dazA utpanna huI hai| isa dazA ke prati hama dhanya-dhanya haiM, use namaskAra karate haiN| isa dazA taka pahu~canA hai, usake bAda ekAdha sTezana bAkI bacA hai, to bhale hI bcaa| itane sAre sTezana pAra kara lie| aba eka kA kyA hisAba? aura vaha bhI bhagavAna kI hada meM hI hogaa| signala bhI A cukA hai, sabhI kucha A cukaa| kaba se hI A cukA hai| Apane bhI signala pAra kara liyA hai| pleTaphaoNrma to nahIM AyA hai lekina signala to pAra kara liyA hai| praznakartA : bhagavAna kI hada aura bhagavAna kI upasthiti donoM hii|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~, bhagavAna kI hada aura bhagavAna kI upasthiti! kalyANa kara deMge na! sau pratizata, jA cuke haiM rAga-dveSa dekho isameM aisA likhA hai ki, 'yadi eka paramANu jitanA bhI rAga-dveSa, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA bhAva vidyamAna hai to sabhI zAstroM kA jAnakAra hone ke bAvajUda bhI vaha AtmA ko nahIM jAnatA hai aura kyoMki AtmA ko nahIM jAnatA hai isalie anAtmA ko bhI nahIM jaantaa| yAnI ki samyak dRSTi bhI nahIM hai' aisA kahA hai| kyA karoge aba? bilkula sau pratizata sahI bAta likhI hai aura maiMne sau pratizata sahI bAta dI hai| to yaha bhUla kisase ho rahI hai ? praznakartA : 'rAga kA eka bhI paramANu nahIM rahA hai', vyakti ko aisA bhAna kaba hotA hai? aura vaha bhAna kyoM nahIM ho pAtA? dAdAzrI : lekina use bhAna ke bAre meM pUchanA caahie| yaha karekTa hai yA mujhase koI galatI ho rahI hai', aisA pUchanA caahie| praznakartA : vaha kaise patA calegA ki rAga-dveSa kA eka bhI paramANu bacA hai yA nahIM bacA? dAdAzrI : rAga kA paramANu nahIM bacA hai, aisA maiM jAnatA hU~ aura Apa nahIM jAnate, aisA kyoM? praznakartA : yoM nhiiN| vyavahAra meM? dAdAzrI : use vyavahAra kaho yA tyauhAra kaho lekina ye paramANu nahIM haiM aapmeN| vyavahAra kyA eka hI taraha kA hotA hai ? tyauhAra nahIM Ate? divAlI kA tyauhAra, dhanaterasa kA tyauhAra vagairaha nahIM Ate! lekina ApameM rAga ke paramANu nahIM haiN| praznakartA : rAga kA eka bhI paramANu nahIM hai| bahuta hI bar3I bAta hai yaha to!

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa 97 dAdAzrI : haaN| yadi eka bhI paramANu hotA taba to phira vaha samyak dRSTi kaise ho sakatI hai? haaN| aura nahIM to kyA! Apa samyak darzana vAle ho| inakA likhA huA galata hai yA ApakA? praznakartA : yaha likhA huA sahI hai| dAdAzrI : merA diyA huA haMDreDa parasenTa sahI hai| maiMne jo samyak darzana diyA hai, haMDreDa parasenTa sahI hai aura isameM jo likhA huA hai, vaha bhI sahI hai to yaha DhU~Dha nikAlo ki bhUla kisakI hai| aba Apa caMdUbhAI ho yA zuddhAtmA ho? praznakartA : shuddhaatmaa| dAdAzrI : to zuddhAtmA meM rAga yA dveSa kA eka bhI paramANu nahIM bacA hai| to Apako saMpUrNa zuddhAtmA banA diyA hai pada meM, to taba phira aisA kyoM kara rahe ho? Apako haMDreDa parasenTa usa pada para biThA diyA hai na, jahA~ para kiMcitmAtra bhI rAga-dveSa, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM haiN| Apako samajha meM A gaI na yaha aMTI? yaha to ApakI jo pahale kI Adata hai na, vaha jAtI nahIM hai| Adata meM aisA, ki yaha mujhe hI ho gyaa| yaha to gAranTeDa hai| yaha koI aisI-vaisI cIz2a nahIM hai| yaha gAranTeDa mokSa diyA huA hai| hAtha meM mokSa diyA huA hai lekina jise jitanA bhoganA Ae utanA usake bApa kaa| lar3ate-karate haiM to bhI vItarAga rAga-dveSa hI saMsAra hai| isa jJAna kI prApti ke bAda yadi AjJA kA pAlana kiyA jAe to AjJA pAlana karate hI rAga-dveSa bilkula khatma ho jAte haiN| yAnI ki yahA~ rAga-dveSa nahIM rhte| aura agara vaha baccoM ko mAra rahA ho taba bhI hama kahate haiM ki yaha mokSa meM hI hai| abhI agara Apake sAtha basa meM mahAtmA Ae~, cAra sau-pA~ca sau loga hoM basoM meM, to agara ve lar3AI-jhagar3A kareM to hama to unheM AzIrvAda deNge| kaheMge, 'lar3anA, merI hAz2irI meM ldd'naa'| gairahAz2irI meM aisA chUTa kArA nahIM ho

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98 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) paaegaa| yahA~ merI hAz2irI meM lar3o to isakA hala A jaaegaa| sApha ho jAegA na yaha sb| phAileM kliyara ho jaaeNgii| apane sabhI mahAtmA mAno, jaise vItarAga hI haiN| vyApAra karate haiM, lar3AI-jhagar3A karate haiM, phira bhI vItarAga haiN| yaha unheM patA nahIM calatA phira bhI mujhe to patA calatA hai na! Apako patA nahIM calatA? Apako mana meM aisA laga sakatA hai ki 'are, kisa prakAra se vItarAga hU~ ?' lekina mujhe to patA hai na! kyoMki DaoNkTara to jAnatA hai| marIz2a ke mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki, 'are yaha darda bar3hA yA ghaTA?' vahama hotA hai lekina mujhe to patA hai na ki kyA davAI dI hai| inheM aisA lagA ki inameM bar3hA yA ghaTA to turaMta ise davAI batA dI na! sabhI jagaha rAga-dveSa, rAga-dveSa, rAgadveSa, cAhe kisI bhI dharma meM jAo, rAga-dveSa rahita nahIM hai| saMtoM para rAga aura nAlAyaka para dveSa! aura kyA! eka vyakti ne mujhase kahA, 'maiM guru ke Azrama meM gayA thA, vahA~ para mujhe rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM na?' maiMne kahA, 'vahA~ para bhI bahuta sAre, yahA~ jitane hI vahA~ para bhI haiN| kyoMki jaba taka tere pAsa rAga-dveSa haiM taba taka ve hote raheMge, cAhe tU kisI bhI jagaha para jaa| jagaha kyA karegI isameM? tere pAsa pU~jI hI rAga-dveSa kI hai| tU yadi jagaha badala degA to bhI pU~jI to pU~jI hai, bolegI hii| maiMne Apake pAsa pU~jI rahane hI nahIM dI, to phira cAhe kisI bhI jagaha para jAo lekina rAga-dveSa hoMge hI kaise? 'maiM' aura 'merA', vahI rAga-dveSa haiN| 'maiM' aura 'merA' nahIM rahegA to rAga-dveSa kahA~ se hoMge? jinameM 'maiM' aura 'merA' nahIM ho, aise kauna se sAdhu-saMta bace haiM? ApakA 'maiM' aura 'merA' hai to z2arUra lekina DrAmeTika hai| taba phira, DrAmA meM rAga-dveSa nahIM hote, cAhe kitanA bhI lar3AI-jhagar3A kareM, mArA-mArI kareM, gAliyA~ deM, phira bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM rhte| rAga-dveSa rahita jagaha yadi dekhanI ho to vaha dekhnaa| Apane DrAmA nahIM dekhA? nahIM? rAga-dveSa haiM vyatireka guNa praznakartA : yoM to rAga-dveSa vyatireka guNa kahalAte haiN|

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa dAdAzrI : hA~, vyatireka / yadi jJAnIpuruSa jJAna deM na, to donoM ke hI chUTa jAte haiN| Apako dikhAI z2arUra dete haiM astitva meM lekina donoM ke hI nahIM haiN| ye guNa mUla cetana meM nahIM haiM aura mUla paramANuoM meM bhI nahIM haiN| vikRti meM haiM ye / ataH ye guNa donoM ke hI nahIM haiM, phira bhI utpanna hue haiM aura vikRti kI vajaha se kitane hI loga kahate haiM, 'mere AtmA meM haiN'| kitane hI loga kahate haiM ki ' pudgala meM haiN'| 99 praznakartA : pudgala, vaha vyatireka guNa kahA jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha mUla paramANuoM kA guNa nahIM hai, na hI cetana kA guNa hai| pudgala arthAt pUraNa aura galana / jJAna milate hI vaha pUraNa baMda ho gyaa| aba sirpha galana hI bacA hai| pUraNa doSoM se baMdhana hai, galana doSa nirjarA (Atma pradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) haiM / galana hote hue doSa baMdha (karma baMdhana) rahita nirjarA haiM aura pUraNa doSa saMvara rahita baMdha haiM / pudgala meM rAga-dveSa nahIM, vahI jJAna vaha to pudgala hI hai| pudgala ke alAvA aura kucha hai hI nahIM ! pudgala meM rAga-dveSa hone ko hI kahate haiM saMsAra / mUrcchA A jAe usI ko kahate haiM saMsAra aura pudgala meM rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM, to use kahate haiM jJAna / usI ko kahate haiM mukti / basa itanA hI hai / hai pudgala hI / vahI kA vahI pudgala / kucha bhI nahIM badalatA / pahale rAga-dveSa hote the aura aba rAga-dveSa nahIM hote / khAnA-pInA, ghUmanA-phiranA, bolanAcalanA, satsaMga-vatsaMga vagairaha saba pudgala haiM lekina jisa taraha se sAbuna se maila nikAlane ke bAda sAbuna apanA maila cipakAtA jAtA hai / jJAnIpuruSa ke sAtha kiyA gayA satsaMga zuddha satsaMga kahalAtA hai / hama yahA~ para aisA hI satsaMga karate haiM / isa satsaMga meM jJAniyoM kA maila nahIM car3hatA aura ApakA maila utara jAtA hai jabaki bAhara to vApasa guru kA maila car3ha jAtA hai| to vApasa TInopaoNla DAlanA par3atA hai / usake bAda

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100 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jaba vaha maila nikala jAtA hai taba TInopaoNla kA maila car3hatA hai| yaha zuddha satsaMga hai isalie maila nahIM cddh'taa| aba rAga-dveSa nahIM hote na? to ho cukA! indriyoM se dekhate haiM, jAnate haiM, isake bAvajUda bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote, vaha atIndriya jJAna hai aura jise rAga-dveSa haiM, vaha indriya jJAna se dekhatA hai, jAnatA hai ! indriya dRSTi rAga-dveSa karavAtI hai, samakita dRSTi zuddhAtmA hI dekhatI hai| jJAnaprakAza ko nahIM hai mUrchA praznakartA : yaha jo zuddhAtmA hai, vaha to jJAna svarUpa hai aura prakAza svarUpa hai na? dAdAzrI : isa taraha kA prakAza nahIM hai| praznakartA : nhiiN| alaga taraha kA prakAza lekina prakAza rUpI zuddha cetana... dAdAzrI : yaha to para prakAzaka hai| vaha aisA prakAza nahIM hai| prakAza kA matalaba kyA hai ki kisI bhI cIz2a meM mUrchA utpanna nahIM hone detaa| jagat kI sabhI cIjeM dekhatA hai lekina isa jagat meM mUrchA utpanna nahIM hone de, aisA prakAza hai| yadi koI phorTa (bombe kA eka bAz2Ara) meM jAe aura sabhI cIjeM dekhe to kitanI cIz2oM ke prati mUrchA hotI hai ? praznakartA : hotI hai| dAdAzrI : lekina yaha prakAza mUrchA nahIM hone detaa| jeba meM agara kucha ho, rupae hoM taba bhI lene kA mana nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : dekhate rahane kA mana karatA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, dekhane meM harja nahIM hai| dekhanA to AtmA kA dharma hI hai lekina usase use mUrchA utpanna nahIM hotii| isa prakAza kI vajaha

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa 101 se dekha pAtA hai phira bhI mUrchA nahIM hotI lekina yadi prakAza na ho aura dekhe ki turaMta hI mUrchA A jAtI hai use| sAr3I dekhI ki ghara Akara use yAda AtI rahatI hai ki vaha vAlI sAr3I acchI thI na! vaha sAr3I meM kho jAtI hai| jabaki yaha jJAna milane ke bAda prakAza milA hai isalie use mUrchA nahIM hotii| mUrchA kama ho gaI hai na? praznakartA : cIz2a dekhate haiM lekina usakI icchA nahIM hotii| dAdAzrI : hA~! arthAt mUrchA nahIM hotii| yaha prakAza mUrchA nahIM krvaataa| are, rAga-dveSa vAlA sabhI kucha dekhate haiM, aise dekhate haiM, vaise dekhate haiN| aise ulaTa-palaTakara dekhate haiM, vaise ulaTa-palaTakara dekhate haiM lekina mUrchA nahIM hotI hai| AtmA, AtmA kI jagaha para aura ve unakI jagaha pr| jabaki (ajJAna dazA meM) mUrchA Ane para AtmA pUrA hI usameM ghusa jAtA hai| praznakartA : jo mUrchA AtI hai, kyA vaha prAkRtika svabhAva kI mUrchA hai? __dAdAzrI : hA~, prAkRtika svabhAva kI mUrchA hai| hamane use cAritramoha kahA hai arthAt pahale kA jo moha bharA huA hai, vahI Aja prakaTa huaa| usakA hama jJAna dvArA samabhAva se nikAla karate haiN| samabhAva se nikAla karanA, usI ko kahate haiM jJAna se nikAla kara denaa| A~kheM yoM AkarSita hotI haiM lekina usI ke sAtha jJAna hAz2ira ho jAtA hai ki aisA nahIM honA cAhie to usase khatma ho jAtA hai| yaha jJAna mUrchA ko khatma kie bagaira nahIM rahatA, lekina cAritramoha to rahatA hI hai| praznakartA : vaha sArA vyavasthita hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, vyavasthita hai| jo rAga-dveSa rahita hai, vaha hai ahiMsaka praznakartA : kauna sI sTeja meM hone vAle rAga hiMsA haiM ?

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102 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : yaha rAga aura dveSa donoM hI hiMsA haiN| dveSa bhI hiMsA hai aura rAga bhI hiMsA hai| rAga se hI loga hiMsA karane ko prerita hote haiN| yaha samajhane jaisI bAta hai| ekadama se samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| bhagavAna ahiMsaka kyoM kahalAe? kyoMki unameM rAga-dveSa nahIM the isalie ve ahiMsaka khlaae| saMpUrNa ahiMsaka! praznakartA : svabhAva meM A jAe, vaha ahiNsk| dAdAzrI : svabhAva meM A jAe taba to vaha bhagavAna hI kahalAegA lekina rAga-dveSa kA abhAva ho jAe to usI ko kahate haiM ahiNsk| rAga-dveSa kA abhAva ho jAne ke bAda svabhAva meM A jAtA hai| jitanA roga utanA rAga praznakartA : gAMdhI jI ne zrImad rAjacaMdra ke bAre meM likhA hai ki unameM jitanA roga thA, aMdara utanA hI unheM rAga thaa| dAdAzrI : niyama aisA hI hai| jitanA roga utanA hI rAga hotA hai| Aja use rAgarUpI roga ho yA na bhI ho| aisA kyoM? abhI yaha jo roga hai, vaha rAga kA hI pariNAma hai lekina Aja zAyada rAga na bhI ho| aba Apa saba ko agara koI roga hai to vaha rAga kA pariNAma hai| Apako rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM isalie abhI anya koI vaise roga pariNAma nahIM haiN| isalie kRpAludeva ke bAre meM aisA nahIM kahA jA sakatA ki 'aisA hI hai'| kyoMki aisA kahA jA sakatA hai ki yaha rAga kA pariNAma hai lekina aisA nahIM mAnA jA sakatA ki abhI rAga hai| aba aisA hai ki aisI sUkSma bAta to kisI ko samajha meM nahIM A sakatI na? jJAnIpuruSa batAe~ taba samajha meM AtA hai| yaha to jaisA dikhAI diyA vaisA kaha diyaa| aura tIrthaMkaroM ko? unakI bhUmikA hI aisI hotI hai, basa vItarAga!

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[2.1] rAga-dveSa 103 rAga-dveSa rahita pariNAma hote haiM unke| aura phira una (pariNAmoM) meM ve khuda rAga-dveSa rahita rahate haiN| ye donoM sAtha meM rahate haiN| praznakartA : dveSa kI vajaha se bhI roga hotA hai yA phira rAga kI vajaha se hI hotA hai? dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa donoM hI se rog| rAga kahane kA matalaba itanA hI hai ki rAga-dveSa donoM hI rahate haiN| jahA~ inameM se eka hai, vahA~ para dUsarA rahatA hI hai| jyAdAtara roga to dveSa kI vajaha se hI hote haiN| kAphI kucha dveSa ke, jo bahuta duHkha dete haiM na, ve dveSa ke roga haiM aura yadi bahuta duHkha nahIM de to, vaha rAga kA roga hai| bahuta duHkha na de, aura jaldI se davAI mila jAe to ve saba rAga ke pariNAma haiN| ataH yaha saba hisAba hai| jitanA kUdanA hai utanA kuudo| Apako apane dama para kUdanA hai isalie agara koI gAlI de to usakA niber3A lA denA kyoMki gAlI dene kI kisI kI sattA nahIM hai aura agara usane gAlI dI to deara iz2a samathiMga roNg| usakA niber3A lA denaa| agara vaha koI nukasAna kara de taba bhI niber3A le aanaa| Apa kisI kA nukasAna kara do to pratikramaNa kara lenaa| jitane tarIke haiM, ve Apako batA die| kisI ke lie kucha ulTA ho jAe to pratikramaNa krnaa| samAdhAna hote-hote yadi vaha samAdhAna apane mana meM phiTa ho jAtA hai to usake bAda jaise hI hamArI vaha dazA utpanna huI ki usI samaya yaha samAdhAna hAz2ira ho jaaegaa| yaha jJAna hAz2ira ho jAegA aura vaha phala degA hameM, isalie rAta-dina sunate rahanA hai| vyApAra baMda karake nhiiN| vyApAra bhI karate rahanA aura yaha bhI karate rhnaa| jo eka pakSa meM par3atA hai, vaha donoM hI pakSoM kA burA karatA hai| agara saMsAra pakSa meM par3A to saMsAra bhI bigAr3atA hai aura isa nizcaya pakSa meM, AtmA kA bhI bigAr3atA hai| dharma meM par3A huA saMsAra bigAr3atA hai aura AtmA ko bhI bigAr3atA hai| donoM ko bigAr3atA hai lekina jo donoM meM saMtulita rahe vaha kucha bhI nahIM bigaadd'taa| hama yahI batAnA cAhate haiN| pAgala mata bnnaa|

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104 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) rAga-dveSa rahita, vahI zuddha jJAna aba, AtmA ko upayoga meM rakhanA yAnI AtmA koI cIz2a nahIM hai, jJAna darzana hai| usa jJAna darzana ko upayoga meM rakhanA hai, zuddha jJAna drshn| zuddha jJAna darzana kise kahA jAtA hai ? rAga-dveSa rahita jJAna darzana, vahI zuddha jJAna darzana hai aura isa jagat ke pAsa jo jJAna darzana hai, vaha rAga-dveSa vAlA hai| vaha azuddha hai, rAga-dveSa sahita hai aura jo rAga-dveSa rahita hai, vaha zuddha jJAna kahalAtA hai|

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[ 2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda ahaMkAra ekAkAra ho tabhI rAga-dveSa praznakartA : apanI cittadhArA meM yaha pasaMda-nApasaMda Ae to kyA yaha jJAtA-dRSTA meM ajAgRti hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : jAgRti pUrvaka khuda ko patA calatA hai ki yaha yahA~ para baiThegA aura yahA~ para nahIM baitthegaa| phira vahA~ para bhI nahIM baitthtaa| merA kahanA hai ki baiMca hai ghara pr| hama rAste para cala rahe haiM aura thakAna kI vajaha se baiThanA pdd'aa| eka TUTI huI baiMca hai aura nIce se z2arA sar3I huI hai, to usa baiMca para baiThane lage to usameM kahIM usake prati rAga-dveSa nahIM hai, pasaMda va nApasaMdagI rahatI hai| lAika aura ddislaaik| praznakartA : arthAt prakRti meM jo mAla bharA huA hai, vahI? dAdAzrI : vahI, aura kucha nhiiN| usameM yadi ahaMkAra ekAkAra rahatA to rAga-dveSa hote| Aja yadi usakA ahaMkAra calA nahIM gayA hotA, to usI cIz2a ke lie rAga-dveSa hote| ahaMkAra jA cukA hai usI kA yaha phala hai ki rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| praznakartA : sirpha pasaMda va nApasaMdagI rahatI hai| nahIM rahe rAga-dveSa, akrama vijJAna kI prApti ke bAda praznakartA : pasaMda Ae aura bahuta pasaMda Ae, ina donoM meM kyA pharka hai ? bahuta pasaMda Ae to kyA vaha rAga kahalAtA hai?

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106 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : acchA lage arthAt Ai lAika aura bahuta acchA lage to usameM verI laaik| usameM koI pharka nahIM hai| isase rAga nahIM hotaa| apanA jJAna dene ke bAda phira rAga hotA hI nahIM hai| hamArI AjJA kA pAlana karane se rAga nahIM hotaa| rAga bhI nahIM hotA aura dveSa bhI nahIM hotA aura rAga-dveSa se hI saMsAra kAyama hai| apanA jJAna milane ke bAda rAga-dveSa nahIM hote aura jo krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote haiM, ve rAga-dveSa rahita haiN| unameM se eksaTraikTa nikala cukA hai| jisa taraha agara dAlacInI meM se eksaTraikTa khIMca liyA jAe na taba bhI vaha kahalAtI hai dAlacInI hI lekina usameM dAlacInI ke guNa nahIM hote, vaha sirpha lakar3I hI hotI hai| usI taraha isameM bhI eksaTraikTa nikala cukA hai| __ jisameM ahaMkAra mizrita ho, ve rAga-dveSa kahalAte haiN| DiscArja rAga-dveSa ko pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI kahate haiN| ataH yadi koI cIz2a hameM acchI lagatI hai aura koI cIz2a pasaMda nahIM hai to vaha rAga-dveSa nahIM hai| pasaMda-nApasaMda DiscArja haiN| agara rAga-dveSa hote taba to karma baMdhana ho hI jaataa| pasaMda meM ahaMkAra mila jAe taba vaha rAga kahalAtA hai| aisA nahIM hai ki pasaMda-nApasaMda sirpha Apa hI ko haiM, hameM bhI haiN| agara koI yahA~ gaddI para nahIM baiThA ho to hama yahA~ aMdara Akara sIdhA gaddI para hI baiTha jaaeNge| yahA~ nIce nahIM baittheNge| taba agara koI kahe ki kyA Apako gaddI para rAga hai ? 'nhiiN|' taba agara vaha kahe, 'Apa yahA~ nIce baiTha jAie' to hama vahA~ para baiTha jaaeNge| hameM dveSa nahIM hai lekina phira bhI lAika aura DisalAika bace haiN| pahale to hama yahI lAika kareMge lekina agara koI yahA~ se uThA de to hameM dveSa nahIM hogA lekina (pahalI bAra meM) baiTheMge to yahIM pr| ve karma kahIM baMdhege nhiiN| bhAe yA na bhAe to usameM dakhala kisakI bhojana khA lene ke bAda phira yAda na Ae, vaha isalie hai kyoMki rAga-dveSa cale gae haiN| praznakartA : bhojana meM bhI lAika-DisalAika hotA hai na? bhojana meM bhI yaha pasaMda hai aura yaha nahIM pasaMda, aisA hotA hogA na?

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[2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda 107 dAdAzrI : hotA hai n| sabhI meM, vaha hara eka cIz2a meM hotA hai| bhojana nahIM bhAnA aura pasaMda nahIM AnA, una donoM meM bahuta pharka hai| use khaTTA khAnA ho phira bhI khA nahIM pAe to vaha aura bhI alaga cIz2a hai| usameM aMdara paramANu kI dakhala hai| ve nahIM khAne dete| dasa sAla pahale zAyada Apa kahate hoMge ki mujhe gur3a kA laDDU nahIM bhAtA aura Aja Apa kahate ho ki gur3a kA bhAtA hai lekina zakkara kA nahIM bhaataa| isakA kyA kAraNa hai ? sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa! aMdara paramANu badala ge| aMdara jo mA~gane vAle haiM, ve sabhI badala gae jabaki vyavahArika vyakti ko aisA samajha meM AtA hai ki yaha saba maiM hI kara rahA huuN| hama agara usase pUche ki, 'yadi tU kara rahA hai, taba phira yadi tujhe khAnA hai to tU kyoM nahIM khA pA rahA hai ?' 'lekina maiM kyA karU~? nahIM bhAtA' aise kahatA hai| are, lekina kyoM? tujhe khAnA hai aura nahIM bhAtA to mujhe yaha batA ki isameM dakhala kisakI hai? vaha yahI samajhatA hai ki mujhe isalie nahIM bhAtA kyoMki merA svabhAva aisA ho gayA hai| aba aisA kaise samajha meM AegA? anya koI dakhala hai, usakI khabara hI nahIM hai na? dAdA kI pasaMda-nApasaMda praznakartA : akrama jJAnI ko pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI rahatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI sirpha dikhAne ko hotI hai| naattkiiy| nATaka meM jo pasaMda na ho usa para dveSa nahIM aura jo pasaMda hai usa para rAga nhiiN| praznakartA : z2arA udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na! nATakIya psNdgiinaapsNdgii| dAdAzrI : 'bhikSA denA maiyA piMgalA' kahatA hai na lekina aMdara mana meM samajhatA hai ki 'maiM lakSmIcaMda hU~, yaha nATaka nahIM karU~gA to merI tanakhvAha kATa leNge'| isalie rotA hai, banAvaTI rotA hai| aba use dekhakara cAra loga ghara chor3akara cale gae, ve vApasa nahIM aae| ve samajhe ki

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vAstava meM isa becAre ko itanA duHkha ho rahA hai| use pUchA hotA to patA calatA ki yaha nATaka meM hai / 'maiM lakSmIcaMda taragADA hU~', aisA jAnatA hai na vaha ? 108 praznakartA : hA~, vaha to jAnatA hai / ThIka hai / dAdAzrI : haaN| isalie Apa jAnate ho ki maiM zuddhAtmA hU~ aura caMdUbhAI kA nATaka karate raho / nATaka to karanA par3egA na, hUbahU ! ye pasaMdagI-nApasaMdagI vagairaha saba zarIra kA svabhAva hai / zarIra kA arthAt sthUla kA, pudgala kA svabhAva hai / Apako jo hotA hai vaha ratiarati kahalAtA hai| jaba dAdA Ate haiM to hara eka vyakti sephasAiDa (dAdA ke naz2adIka baiThane kI jagaha) DhU~DhatA hai yA nahIM DhU~DhatA ? to sephasAiDa para baiThanA rati kahalAtA hai / taba agara koI pUche, 'are, Apane dAdA kA jJAna liyA hai na ? yaha rati kyoM hai Apako ?' isa pudgala kA svabhAva hI aisA hai| jahA~ acchI jagaha hotI hai pahale vahIM jAkara baiThatA hai| phira agara koI kahe ki 'Apa isa gaddI para kyoM baiThe ho, nIce baiTho' to maiM nIce baiTha jAU~gA bhAI ! usase AMtarika vAtAvaraNa cenja nahIM hotA, eka bU~da barAbara bhI nahIM / ataH rati- arati to raheMge hI aMta tk| yaha to pudgala kA svabhAva hai| praznakartA: kramika ke jo jJAnI hote haiM, unheM yadi sirpha iphekTa hI hai ? to rati- arati hI hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : jitanA unakA ahaMkAra zuddha karanA bAkI hai, utane meM hI unheM rAga-dveSa hote haiM aura bAkI ke bhAga meM sirpha rati- arati hI rahatI hai| bAhara ke logoM ko to sabhI cIz2oM meM rAga-dveSa hote haiN| choTIchoTI bAtoM meM bhI rAga aura dveSa / yaha jJAnI hone kA phala hai / AdhA jJAna ho to aadhaa| jitanA ahaMkAra kama huA utane rAga-dveSa kama ho jAte haiM / jitanA sAbuta hai, usameM rAga-dveSa hote haiN| ye sArI bAteM bahuta sUkSma haiM! Apako to itanI hI samajhanI haiM / merI pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana kro| usI meM haiM Apake kaoNz2ez2a ! bAkI saba iphekTa hai|

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[2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda 109 upekSA se zurU vItarAgatA kI rAha praznakartA : upekSA aura dveSa ke bAre meM z2arA samajhAie na ! dAdAzrI : upekSA arthAt pasaMda na ho, phira bhI dveSa nahIM aura dveSa arthAt upekSA nahIM hotI lekina nApasaMda hai to vahA~ para dveSa rahatA I itanA to vaha samajhatA hai ki dveSa karane meM phAyadA nahIM hai / yaha nukasAnadAyaka hai, aisA samajhakara upekSA rakhatA hai| I upekSA to hama vahA~ karate haiM na ! kusaMga kI upekSA karate haiN| zarAbI ho, yA aura koI jo ramI khelate haiM aise hI dUsare loga to aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki vahA~ para upekSA rakhate haiM, dveSa nahIM rakhate / jahA~ dveSa nahIM hai, vaha upekSA kahalAtI hai aura agara dveSa ho to upekSA nahIM khlaatii| saMsAra ke loga dveSa rakhate haiM / galata cIz2a pasaMda nahIM Ae to usa para dveSa aura pasaMdIdA para rAga / upekSA arthAt usa tarapha dveSa bhI nahIM aura rAga bhI nahIM / 'hameM kyA lenA-denA', aisA kahate hI ho jAegA alg| praznakartA : upekSA kisa vajaha se udaya meM AtI hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda ke hitAhita ke sAdhana dekhatA hai isalie upekSA karatA hai| dveSa karane para burA lagatA hai / galata hai aura galata ko galata jAnanA hai aura usake prati dveSa nahIM honA cAhie / ataH khuda ke AtmA ke hita ke lie upekSA rakhanI hai / praznakartA : jisakA pravartana udaya karma ke anusAra hotA hai, use upekSA kaha sakate haiM ? dAdAzrI : sabhI udaya karma hI haiM na ! upekSA kahane kA tAtparya kyA hai ki agara udaya karma kI vajaha se kisI ke prati hameM kharAba bhAva hote raheM aura usase khuda alaga raheM ki aisA nahIM honA cAhie / praznakartA : to yaha jo Apa kaI bAra kahate haiM na ki, 'bhAI, hama to poTalI jaise haiN| jahA~ le jAo vahIM para cale jaaeNge'| to vaha upekSA bhAva kA udAharaNa kahalAegA ?

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110 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha to mAlikI rahita bhAva hI kahA jaaegaa| upekSA arthAt kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki jaise vaha hai hI nhiiN| yoM usa para dhyAna hI mata do| praznakartA : upekSA meM ahaMkAra hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha to ahaMkAra kA hI kAma hai| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, tabhI taka upekSA hai| praznakartA : niHspRhatA aura upekSA meM kyA pharka hai ? dAdAzrI : niHspRhatA, vaha to usakI kamI hai| niHspRhI arthAt 'hama' vAlA, 'hama' vaalaa| igoiz2ama bar3hatA jAe to niHspRhI jabaki upekSA meM igoiz2ama nahIM bar3hatA aura upekSA meM se dhIre-dhIre udAsInatA aura usake bAda vItarAgatA kA janma hotA hai| upekSA aura udAsInatA meM se janma hotA hai, vItarAgatA kaa| niHspRhatA to sabhI jagaha para hai| niHspRhatA to eka bAra mana meM taya kara le, koI sAdhu ni:spRha ho aura usake sAtha yaha bhI baiThA hai to use dekhakara vaha bhI niHspRha ho jAtA hai| jo niHspRhI hote haiM na, unameM barakata hI nahIM hotii| kahate haiM, 'hama ni:spRha haiM' isalie vaha lar3akA bhI sIkha jAtA hai, 'hama niHspRha haiN'| vaha saMnyAsI manA karatA hai ki 'khAne-pIne kA kucha mata lAnA!' taba vaha bhI manA karatA hai| ni:spRha to eka ucca prakAra kA dveSa hai isalie hama kabhI bhI niHspRha nahIM hue na! Apake pudgala ke bAre meM hama ni:spRha haiM aura Apake AtmA ke bAre meM saspRha haiN| ni:spRh-sspRh| yadi ni:spRha raheMge to aMdara dveSa rhegaa| __ AtmA ke bAre meM saspRha arthAt hama niHspRha-saspRha haiN| Apane dekhe haiM ni:spRha ? 'hameM kyA, hameM kyA, cale jAo, le jAo' aisA karake gAliyA~ dete haiM aura aisA saba karate haiM! jo saspRhI vyakti hotA hai na, vaha vinayI hotA hai isalie kyoMki use icchA hai aura jo ni:spRhI ho gayA hai, usameM vinaya nahIM hotaa| vaha

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[2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda 111 to jAnavara jaisA hotA hai| agara kucha bole taba bhI jAnavara jaisA bolatA hai| maiMne to aise bahuta ni:spRha sAdhu dekhe haiN| ni:spRha ho jAe to isa tarapha gira jAtA hai aura agara sirpha saspRha rahe to usa tarapha gira jAtA hai| saspRha-ni:spRha kI AvazyakatA hai| praznakartA : nApasaMdagI meM dveSa na rahe to vaha upekSA kahalAtI hai, to abhAva meM bhI aisA hI hai na? kisI vyakti para yadi hameM abhAva rahe to usa para dveSa to hotA hI nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : nApasaMdagI kA savAla hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : nahIM! upekSA meM ? dAdAzrI : upekSA meM arthAt 'apane lie hitakArI nahIM hai yaha cIz2a!' lekina usake prati dveSa rahita vyvhaar| saMsAra ke loga dveSa rakhate haiN| pyAz2a ke prati dveSa rahA karatA hai| dekhate hI cir3ha macane lage to use upekSA nahIM kheNge| use dekheM yA vaha hamAre paira se chU jAe taba bhI cir3ha nahIM mctii| isake bAvajUda bhI hameM (usase kucha) lenA-denA nahIM hotaa| una logoM ko iphekTa hotA hai| praznakartA : kisI para abhAva kI vajaha se dveSa AtA hai na dAdA? kisI para abhAva hai usakA artha yaha ki z2arA dveSa hai na? dAdAzrI : abhAva usI ko kahate haiM ki jahA~ dveSa ho| jahA~ dveSa nahIM ho use DisalAika kahA jAtA hai| vaha AtmA taka nahIM phuNctaa| vaha indriyoM taka pahu~catA hai isalie dveSa nahIM khlaataa| agara AtmA taka pahu~ce to dveSa kahalAtA hai| yAnI ki lAika aura DisalAika taka pahu~catA hai| praznakartA : yaha jo udAsInatA hai, vaha upekSA se bhI Age kI cIz2a hai na? dAdAzrI : udAsInatA alaga cIz2a hai| vaha Age kI sTeja hai| udAsInatA aura vItarAgatA, ina donoM ke bIca meM kucha Dipharensa hai aura

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112 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vaha to jJAnI bhI kara sakate haiN| ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, udAsIna hone ke lie| jabaki upekSA meM to ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata hai hii| upekSA se Age hai udAsInatA praznakartA : udAsInatA aura Alasya, ina donoM ke bIca kisa taraha se bhedAMkana kiyA jAe? gahane pahanane meM Alasya AtA hai kyoMki baiMka meM se lAne par3ate haiM, yaha karanA par3atA hai, to ina donoM ke bIca ke bheda ko kaise parakheM? dAdAzrI : Apa baccoM ko kyA sikhAte ho? Apa bacce ko yaha kaise batAte ho ki vaha AlasI hai yA udAsIna ho gayA hai ? udAsIna vyakti ko agara AlasI kahA jAe to bahuta bar3A gunAha hai| udAsInatA to vItarAga hone se pahale kI dazA hai| vaha sAdhAraNa jana samAja kI bAta nahIM hai| ataH Apa jo kaha rahe ho vaha saba pramAda hai, Alasya hI hai| udAsInatA nahIM AI hai| udAsInatA kaise AegI? itane bar3e ahamadAbAda zahara meM udAsInatA AtI hogI? agara sabhI cIjeM mila jAe~ to? Apako kisa vajaha se lagatA hai ki udAsInatA hai? praznakartA : ghUmane-phirane kI, pahanane-or3hane kI, ye saba jo haiM, use aisA lagatA hai ki ye sArI takalIpheM kyoM uThAnI to usameM merA pramAda hai yA Alasya hai ? use khuda ko kaise patA calegA ki 'mujhameM udAsInatA prakaTa huI hai yA phira yaha merA Alasya hai?' dAdAzrI : udAsInatA to vairAgya Ane ke bAda kI ucca dazA hai aura vItarAga hone se pahale kI dazA hai| bahuta sakhta vairAgya rahane lage aura jaba taka vItarAgatA utpanna na ho jAe, usa samaya udAsIna dazA rahatI hai| vaha bahuta ucca dazA hai| vaha yoM hI nahIM raha sakatI, ina logoM meM nahIM raha sakatI! praznakartA : paccIsa sAla kI umra meM jo icchAe~ hotI haiM, vaisI icchAe~ cAlIsa sAla yA paiMtAlIsa sAla meM nahIM rahatI to ina saba meM

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[22] pasaMda-nApasaMda DipharenzieTa kisa taraha se kareM ki vAstava meM yaha udAsInatA hai yA phira yaha saba maMda par3a cukA hai ? 113 dAdAzrI : yaha to, jo aisA lagatA hai ki maMda ho gaI haiM, ve to abhI phira se jaageNgii| abhI to ve jaageNgii| sattara sAla ke bUr3he ko jalebI yAda AtI hai, laDDU yAda Ate haiM / are, taraha-taraha ke svA~ga yAda Ate haiN| cabA nahIM pAtA taba bhI jo nahIM cabAI jA sakeM, aisI cIjeM yAda AtI haiN| ataH yaha to aisA hai na ki viSaya sirpha javAnI meM hI nahIM rahatA, bur3hApe meM bhI bahuta viSaya jAgatA hai / isalie koI udAsInatA nahIM Ane vAlI / parezAna mata honaa| usakA Dara mata rkhnaa| praznakartA : udAsInatA kI sahI Dephinezana batAie / dAdAzrI : udAsIna kA matalaba kyA hai ? jaba dekhatA hai taba acchA lagatA hai| jaba taka dekhe nahIM taba taka use yAda nahIM AtA / yAda Ae para kacoTe nahIM, to vaha udAsIna dazA hai| usase Age kI dazA vItarAgatA kahalAtI hai| taba taka udAsIna dazA rahatI hai| use khuda ko vaha yAda hI nahIM AtA aura jaba aisI koI cIz2a dikhAI de taba vaha use sirpha bhoga letA hai lekina jaise hI vaha cIz2a gaI to phira kucha bhI nahIM, udAsIna / hama jise upekSA bhAva kahate haiM vaisA nahIM / yaha udAsIna to ucca sthiti hai| ataH udAsInatA Ane meM dera lagatI hai| abhI taka to vairAgya bhI nahIM AyA hai| udAsInatA arthAt nAzavaMta cIz2oM ke prati bhAva TUTa jAtA hai aura avinAzI kI khoja rahane ke bAvajUda bhI vaha prApta nahIM ho pAtA ! praznakartA : udAsInatA yA upekSA, kyA ye vItarAgatA ke AdhAra haiM ? dAdAzrI : udAsInatA se zuruAta hotI hai vItarAgatA kI / upekSA udAsInatA ke pahale kI sTeja hai / vaha buddhi dvArA hai / praznakartA : sAmAnya udAsInatA aura bhAva udAsInatA ke bAre meM z2arA smjhaaie| inameM kyA pharka hai ?

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114 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : bhAva udAsInatA kA artha kyA hai? karma nahIM bA~dhatA aura sAmAnya udAsInatA arthAt vItarAga bhAva ke nj'diik| upekssaapn| upekSA arthAt usake prati udAsIna bhAva, arthAt usa tarapha koI rAga-dveSa nhiiN| bhAva udAsInatA to bahuta ucca cIz2a hai| usameM to karma hI nahIM bNdhte| apane yahA~ jaba jJAna dete haiM to vaha jJAna bhAva udAsInatA kA hai| yaha vijJAna bhAva udAsInatA vAlA hai| AlU nahIM khAtA aura yaha nahIM khAtA, vaha nahIM khaataa| bhAI! hameM agara isI janma meM mokSa meM jAnA hotA taba agara ye phUloM kI mAlA nahIM pahaneMge to bhI clegaa| lekina abhI to eka janma kI dera hai aura zAyada do bhI ho jaaeN| yahA~ bhalA kyA nukasAna hone vAlA hai! apane kAbU meM A gayA hai| pUrA brahmAMDa kAbU meM A gayA hai| phira kyA nukasAna hone vAlA hai ? hamArI icchA bhI nahIM hai aisI sugaMdhi lene kI! praznakartA : udAsInatA aura vItarAgatA meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : unameM pharka hai| udAsInatA vItarAgatA kI jananI hai| vItarAgatA kI mAtA hai| mAtA hogI tabhI baccA hogA na? ataH vItarAgatA aMtima dazA hai aura udAsInatA zuruAta kI dazA hai| zuruAta meM udAsInatA A jAtI hai, yAnI rAga aura dveSa donoM kI trph| udAsInatA kA matalaba kyA hai ki pakSapAta nahIM, kisI ke bhI prati pakSapAta nhiiN| jahA~ dveSa karanA ho vahA~ bhI pakSapAta nahIM, rAga karanA ho to bhI pakSapAta nahIM aura phira jaba Age bar3hatA hai taba vItarAgatA utpanna hotI hai lekina jaba taka udAsInatA hai taba taka dayA rahatI hai| aura jahA~ dayA hai, vahA~ pUrNa dazA nahIM hai| ataH karuNA saba se bar3I cIz2a hai| kAruNyatA utpanna ho jAegI to pUrNa ho jAegA! jJAnI ke kahe anusAra caleMge na to phulasTaoNpa A jaaegaa| koI bhI dakhala nahIM! praznakartA : AtmA udAsIna bhAva se rahA huA hai aura dUsarA,

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[2.2] pasaMda-nApasaMda 115 AtmA kA svabhAva to jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI hai to vaha udAsIna bhAva se kisa prakAra raha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : udAsIna arthAt aisA kahane kA bhAvArtha yaha hai ki saMsAra meM use koI apekSA nahIM hai| jo mUla AtmA hai na, use saMsAra se koI apekSA nahIM hai isalie udAsIna bhAva se hai| ina logoM se yadi aisA kaheMge ki vItarAga bhAva se hai to samajha meM nahIM AegA lekina yadi udAsIna kaheMge to samajha meM A jaaegaa| saMsAra kI use par3I hI nahIM hotI, use lenA-denA hI nahIM hai| usakA khuda kA svabhAva alaga, aura saMsAra kA svabhAva alaga hai| saMsAra kA svabhAva pudgala svabhAva hai aura khuda kA sva svabhAva hai| zuddha cetana to udAsIna bhAva se hai| sirpha prakAza hI detA hai| tujhe jisameM upayoga karanA ho usameM kara kyoMki vaha to prakAza dene bhI nahIM aataa| jaise ki yaha sUrya kahIM bhI prakAza dene nahIM AtA, usakA svabhAva hai aura hama bekAra hI binA bAta ke upakAra mAneMge to use balki gussA A jaaegaa| kahegA ki, 'ye loga kaise bekAra haiM!' vaha to usakA svabhAva hai| jahA~ rAga-dveSa, vahA~ yAdeM pasaMda eka bhrAMta abhiprAya hai| yAdeM pasaMda ke AdhAra para rahatI haiM lekina jinameM rAga-dveSa hote haiM na, usI meM yAda rahatA hai| praznakartA : aba agara pasaMda karegA tabhI rAga-dveSa kahalAegA na? pasaMda kara-karake hI saba yAda rakhatA hai na yaha? dAdAzrI : pasaMda to ThIka hai| jinameM rAga, rAga arthAt pasaMda aanaa| usameM sabhI kucha A gyaa| yadi eka hI zabda meM kaheM to sirpha pasaMda hI nahIM, jina para rAga hai vaha sabakucha yAda rahatA hai aura dveSa hai, vaha bhI yAda rahatA hai| praznakartA : zurU se Akhira taka sabhI cIz2oM ko pasaMda kara-karake rAga ikaTThA kiyA hai|

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116 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, rAga meM to pasaMda samA jAtI hai| pasaMda meM rAga nahIM smaataa| ataH jina para rAga aura jina para dveSa hai, ve use yAda Ate hI rahate haiN| vItarAga ko yAda nahIM aataa| lekina vaha zabda to sirpha eka isa vAkya ke adhIna likhA gayA hai| lekina vItarAga kA matalaba yadi aisA nikAleM ki yAda nahIM AtA to yAda to sabhI sAdhu-saMnyAsiyoM ko bhI nahIM AtA aura sabhI vahA~ himAlaya meM par3e rahate haiM to usakA artha ulTA ho jaaegaa| phira vItarAga kA artha hI kyA hai? jaisA hai vaisA, rAga-dveSa rahita vItarAga! vItarAgoM ko to bhUlane-karane ko kucha rahatA hI nahIM na! unheM to jaba rAga hI nahIM hai to phira yAda hI nahIM aaegaa| rAga ko bhUlanA hI kahA~ rahA? rAga-dveSa vAlA bhUlatA nahIM hai kabhI bhii| praznakartA : yAda Ae to vItarAga nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| yAdeM rAga-dveSa ke adhIna haiN| vaha akelA zabda nahIM, sirpha 'bhUlanA' zabda hI nahIM, paraMtu pUrI DikzanarI hI nahIM hai vahA~ pr| pharka, sneha aura rAga meM praznakartA : kyA sneha kA matalaba rAga hai? dAdAzrI : sneha arthAt cipcipaahtt| Ama ke prati sneha hone lage to vaha cipaka jAtA hai| mitra ke lie sneha hone lage ki cipaka jAtA hai| sneha arthAt cipcipaahtt| sneha aura rAga meM bahuta pharka hai| praznakartA : sneha aura rAga meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : sneha, vaha cipacipApana kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : to kyA rAga se bhI Age hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| rAga bahuta viSama hai| sneha to TUTa bhI sakatA hai|

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[2.2] prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA 117 praznakartA : lekina use gAr3ha kahA hai na? dAdAzrI : gAr3ha hai phira bhI TUTa jAtA hai| sneha arthAt sirpha cipcipaapn| anya kucha nhiiN| praznakartA : usameM rAga nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jo cipakatA hai vaha cipacipAhaTa kI vajaha se| phira alaga bhI ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : to yaha AkarSaNa jaisA hai? AkarSaNa jaisA? dAdAzrI : AkarSaNa meM rAga utpanna hotA hai| eka pattA ur3atA huA AyA aura Apa para cipaka gayA, aba vaha sneha se cipakA hai| lekina garmI par3ate hI aMdara kA pAnI sUkha jAtA hai| ukhar3akara apane Apa hI gira jAtA hai| gIlA hai, isalie cipaka gayA yahA~ para lekina jaba garmI par3atI hai, usa samaya? praznakartA : alaga ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hameM ukhAr3anA nahIM pdd'taa| jabaki rAga alaga cIz2a hai| rAga to, jaba taka vItarAgatA na A jAe taba taka rAha para nahIM Ane detaa| tujhe aba kisa para rAga hotA hai? praznakartA : mujhe kisI para bhI nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, to ThIka hai ! vItarAga kahA jaaegaa| abhI vItarAga nahIM hai, vItadveSa kahA jaaegaa| dveSa nahIM rhaa|

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[2.3] vItadveSa paribhASA rAga-dveSa kI rAga-dveSa ho jAte haiM ? praznakartA : rAga-dveSa hote to haiM hI na ! dAdAzrI : to rAga-dveSa baMda hone kA koI sAdhana to hogA na ? praznakartA : sahI samajha milanI cAhie / dAdAzrI : dveSa baMda ho jAe to acchA hai yA phira rAga baMda ho jAe to acchA? praznakartA: dveSa to samajhe, lekina rAga kA kyA artha hai ? dveSa arthAt IrSyA, kisI ke lie baira / dAdAzrI : IrSyA, tiraskAra, abhAva, nApasaMdagI aura usake virodhI zabdoM meM rAga AtA hai| rAga arthAt pasaMda, AkarSaNa / aba dveSa se yaha sArA saMsAra duHkhI hai| rAga se duHkhI nahIM hai| rAga se sukha hI utpanna hotA hai lekina usI sukha meM dveSa samAyA rahatA hai| usI meM se dveSa ke dhue~ nikalate haiM, ataH bhagavAna ne phira rAga ko bhI chor3ane ko kahA hai| pahale vItadveSa bana jA / bhagavAna pahale vItadveSa bane aura phira vItarAga bane / jela ke prati rAga hotA hai ? praznakartA : rAga hI janmAMtara bar3hA detA hai na ?

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119 [2.3] vItadveSa dAdAzrI : vaha to bar3hA hI detA hai na, rAga to! praznakartA : rAga bhI Aga hai na? dAdAzrI : rAga? rAga Aga nahIM hai| yadi rAga Aga hotA to rAga hotA hI nhiiN| icchA agni hai, rAga Aga nahIM hai| jaba rAga hotA hai na taba to balki iMsAna ko acchA lagatA hai, ThaMDaka mahasUsa hotI hai| praznakartA : dveSa to bekAra paTAkhe jaisA hai| phussa karake ur3a jaaegaa| dveSa z2yAdA nukasAna nahIM pahu~cAtA lekina yaha jo rAga hai vaha bahuta nukasAna pahuMcAtA hai| kyA yaha bAta sahI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| yaha jagat dveSa se khar3A hai| baira se aura baira meM se rAga utpanna huA hai| ataH khar3e rahane kA mUla kAraNa baira hai| dUsare zabdoM meM kaheM to jagat baira se khar3A hai| vaha dveSa, baira vagairaha eka hI taraha ke haiN| usase yaha jagat khar3A hai ataH nirvairI ho jA tAki kisI jagaha baira na rahe! jaba AtmajJAna prApta hotA hai to saba se pahale vItadveSa bana jAtA hai| usake bAda vItarAga banatA hai| isa saMsAra meM jo rAga hai, vaha kisa jaisA hai? jaise ki, jela meM baiThA haA iMsAna jela meM jAte samaya rotA hai lekina jela meM jAne ke bAda jela ko lIpatA-potatA hai| lIpatA hai yA nahIM lIpatA, agara vahA~ khaDDe vagairaha hoM to? usase hameM lagegA ki, 'ohoho! jela para rAga hai'| usake bAda yadi hama usase pUche ki, 'tujhe jela para rAga hai?' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'nahIM bhAI, jela para kabhI rAga hotA hogA? lekina yahA~ rAta ko soe~ kaise? isalie aisA kara rahe haiN| usI taraha isa saMsAra para bhI rAga nahIM hai lekina kyA ho sakatA hai? lekina yaha to kyA hotA hai ki yahA~ pha~sa cuke haiM isIlie lIpanApotanA par3atA hai, sabhI kucha karanA par3atA hai| lIpanA par3atA hai yA nahIM lIpanA par3atA? praznakartA : lIpanA par3atA hai, daadaa|

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120 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : bAhara vAle loga aisA samajhate haiM ki ise jela para rAga ho gayA hai| are bhAI, kabhI rAga hotA hogA jela para! majabUrana karanA par3a rahA hai sbkuch| nahIM karanA par3a rahA? mUlataH dveSa hI bhaTakAtA hai praznakartA : prema aura moha bhI dveSa jitane hI jokhima vAle haiM? donoM meM se z2yAdA jokhima vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : prema se jyAdA jokhima dveSa meM hai| prema meM jokhima kama hai kyoMki dveSa meM se prema janma letA hai| dveSa bIja hai| prema kA bIja prema nahIM hai| prema kA bIja dveSa hI hai| Apako ghara meM sabhI ke sAtha prema ho lekina Apako dveSa nahIM hotA to samajhanA ki phira se bIja nahIM par3egA aura yadi dveSa hogA to bAra-bAra usa para prema AtA rhegaa| isake bAvajUda bhI isa jJAna ke bAda vaisA nayA karAra nahIM hogaa| nae karAra ke bAre meM Apa samajha lenaa| bAkI, agara ina saba meM z2yAdA gaharAI meM utaroge to yaha to bahuta gahana sAinsa hai aura yaha zorTa sAinsa bhI hai| sirpha nayA karAra, samajha gae sabhI? nayA karAra, jo pichale, pahale ke pUrva abhyAsa kI vajaha se dhakkA lagane para utpanna hote haiN| khuda ke zuddhAtmA kA bhAna rahanA cAhie! to bahuta ho gyaa| dveSa hI jananI hai rAga kI satsaMga kise kahate haiM ? kusaMga meM se nikalanA hI satsaMga kahalAtA hai| hA~, phira cAhe kahIM bhI baiThA ho na! yadi kusaMga meM se nikala gayA to vaha satsaMga hai| aura agara maMdira meM baiThA hai lekina kusaMga meM se nahIM nikalA hai to satsaMga nahIM khlaaegaa| jahA~ kusaMga hai, vahA~ para kyA bhagavAna dveSa karate haiM ? taba to phira vahA~ para bhagavAna dveSa karate ki, 'yaha to kusaMga meM se nikalatA hI nahIM?' vaha yadi dveSa karane jaisI cIz2a hotI taba to mahAvIra bhagavAna kahate na

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[2.3] vItadveSa 121 ki 'bhAI, rAga mata karanA lekina ina logoM ke prati dveSa to karanA?!' zarAbI. vyabhicArI logoM ke prati ina saba ke prati dveSa rakhanA, bhagavAna aisA kahate lekina unhoMne aisA kyoM nahIM kahA? praznakartA : usa cIz2a para rAga mata karanA to phira dveSa nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : dveSa ko hI chor3anA hai| rAga ko chor3anA hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : dveSa chor3ane se rAga calA jAegA? dAdAzrI : rAga kI to ciMtA hI mata krnaa| bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki vItadveSa bana jaa| usake bAda apane Apa hI vItarAga bana jaaegaa| praznakartA : loga aisA kahate haiM ki jahA~ para rAga adhika hotA hai vahIM para adhika dveSa ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| dveSa hai isalie rAga utpanna hotA hai use| yadi mujhe kisI para dveSa hogA to rAga utpanna hogaa| mujhe dveSa nahIM hotA hai, phira mujhe rAga kaise utpanna hogA? ataH dveSa meM se rAga utpanna huA hai| isameM dveSa kaoNz2ez2a haiM aura rAga pariNAma hai| ataH aisA kahate haiM ki 'tU pariNAma kI ciMtA mata kara, kaoNz2ez2a kI ciMtA kr'| itanI sUkSma bAta samajhI nahIM jA sakatI na? yaha bahuta sUkSma, bahuta sUkSma bAta hai ! praznakartA : dveSa kaoNz2a hai aura rAga pariNAma, aisA kisa taraha se hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, dveSa kaoNz2ez2a haiM aura rAga pariNAma hai| praznakartA : kyoMki rAga va dveSa sAtha meM hI rahate haiN| jahA~ para rAga ho, vahA~ para dveSa rahatA hI hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM! dveSa hotA hai aura dveSa ke riaikzana meM rAga hotA hai| yadi z2arA sA bhI dveSa na ho to rAga utpanna hI nahIM hogaa| pahale dveSa, sUkSma meM dveSa ke AdhAra para hI yaha khar3A hai| isakA phAunDezana dveSa hI hai|

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122 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ataH jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba dveSa calA jAtA hai| usake bAda cIz2oM kI tarapha AkarSaNa rahatA hai| vaha bhI vyavahArika aakrssnn| AkarSaNa nizcaya se nahIM! lekina usake bAda vItarAga ho sakate haiN| vItadveSa ho jAne ke bahuta samaya bAda vItarAga bana sakate haiN| pahale vItadveSa bana jAnA caahie| praznakartA : dveSa ke bajAya rAga ko chor3anA muzkila hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, rAga ko chor3anA saba se AsAna hai| dveSa jAnA saba se muzkila hai| pahale dveSa nahIM jAtA, isIlie yaha rAga nahIM jaataa| rAga to becArA, jaba dveSa calA jAegA na, to rAga bhI calA jaaegaa| ___ aba vedAMta mArga ke saba se bar3e buddhizAlI, kabIra sAhaba! unhoMne bhI kahA hai, 'bhUkha lage taba kucha nahIM suujhe'| jJAna-dhyAna saba roTI meM calA jAtA hai, 'kahata kabIra suno bhaI sAdhu, Aga lago ye poThI meN'| __ jabaki vItarAgoM ne 'Aga lago isa poThI meM' nahIM khaa| unhoMne jJAna se patA lagAyA isakA, jJAna se pRthakkaraNa kiyA aura inako aisA hI lagA ki, 'yaha merI hI poThI hai| ataH use yahIM se jalA do n'| jabaki vItarAgoM ne pRthakkaraNa kiyA ki maiM alaga aura yaha alaga, 'AhArI AhAra karatA hai, maiM to nirAhArI huuN| to vItarAgoM ne phira aisI khoja kii| usake bAda unhoMne poThI para dveSa nahIM kiyA jabaki ve dveSa karate haiM na! 'Aga lago isa poThI meM', vaha kyA kama dveSa hai? poThI ko jalA de! kisI ne abhI taka jalAyA hai ? kahate z2arUra hai lekina jalAte haiM kyA? to isa duniyA meM pahalA dveSa kisameM se AtA hai ki agara koI iMsAna yahA~ se jaMgala meM bhAga gayA, vahA~ para phira bhUkha lage to usa samaya becaina ho jAtA hai aura becainI meM dveSa hI hai, rAga nahIM hai| jaba bhUkha lage, usa samaya yadi use sonA-vonA dikhAyA jAe to kyA use usa para rAga hogA? use dveSa hI rhegaa| ataH isa saMsAra kI zuruAta dveSa se huI hai| aura dveSa kI zuruAta hone se yaha phAunDezana khar3A hai|

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[2.3] vItadveSa 123 aura rAga meM pasaMda khuda kI praznakartA : vItarAga kisa taraha se huA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAga apane Apa hI ho jAte haiN| vItarAga hone ke lie kucha karanA nahIM hai / vItadveSa honA saba se muzkila kAma hai I | praznakartA : Apane usa dina kahA thA na ki dveSa kI vajaha se hI rAga hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, dveSa meM se hI sArA rAga hai| kar3avA khAne ke bAda z2arA yoM hI dUsarA kucha khAe~ to usa cIz2a para hameM rAga ho jAtA hai ! use khAne se kar3avAhaTa z2arA kama ho jAtI hai na ? aura agara yoM hI khA liyA hotA to rAga nahIM hotA / ataH dveSa meM se hI rAga utpanna huA hai| yAnI pahale dveSa jAtA hai aura bAda meM rAga jAtA hai / rAga arthAt pasaMda kI cIz2a hai aura dveSa kudaratI hai| I mAna lo agara koI eka bar3A rAjA hai, bahuta hI sukhI hai kisI para rAga-dveSa nahIM karatA, sabhI ke prati nyAyI hai / aise saccAI ke vrata vAlA hai ki 'mujhe kisI kA kucha bhI nahIM lenA hai ' / jhUTha nahIM boltaa| lekina agara vaha jaMgala meM jAe aura rAstA bhaTaka jAe aura taba use bhUkha lage to usa samaya kyA use rAga hogA ? bhUkha lagane para kyA hogA ? duHkha hogA aura vedanA hogI na ? aba bhUkha lagane para vaha vahA~ kyA karegA ? kisI bhI taraha, jhUTha bolakara yA corI karake kucha khA legA / khAegA yA nahIM khAegA? aura kisI garIba ke beTe kI jUThI roTI par3I ho to vaha bhI khA legA yA nahIM ? praznakartA : khA legaa| kyoMki usakI bhUkha jAgI hai| dAdAzrI : kyoMki use aMdara jo duHkha ho rahA hai, vaha dveSa hai / jaba peTa meM itanA DAlatA hai taba jAkara dveSa zAMta hotA hai| jhUTha bolakara hama kisI kA kucha le Ae~ aura agara koI vaha chIna le to usa para dveSa hogA yA rAga ?

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124 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA: dveSa hogA / dAdAzrI : ata: ina saba kA kAraNa dveSa hai / ina pA~ca indriyoM kI biginiMga kA kAraNa dveSa hai aura phira rAga kaba hotA hai ? bhale hI vaha corI karake lAe lekina eka tarapha roTI ho aura dUsarI tarapha parAThA ho to turaMta kahegA, parAThA khAU~gA ! to usa rAga meM pasaMdagI hai na ? lekina mUlataH to dveSa hai na? mUlataH dveSa hotA hai, usake bAda rAga AtA hai| ataH rAga to eka taraha se apane zauka kI cIz2a hai / rAga to saraplasa ho jAne ke bAda hotA hai lekina jo mukhya z2arUrateM haiM, unake lie to dveSa hI hotA hai / nesesiTI meM koI kamI A jAe to dveSa hotA hai / agara koI vaha roTI le le to usa samaya usa para use kitanA dveSa ho jAegA ? ata: rAga nikala sakatA hai / rAga se koI parezAnI nahIM hai / saMsAra khar3A hai| dAdAzrI : apanA akrama vijJAna kyA kahatA hai ki dveSa kI nIMva para hI yaha saMsAra khar3A hai| jisakI vaha nIMva TUTa jAegI, usakA rAga apane Apa hI calA jaaegaa| vaha rAga, cAya kA rAga hotA hai na! aura agara usase pahale jalebI khilA dI jAe to ? praznakartA : cAya phIkI lgegii| dAdAzrI : cAya ke prati rAga kama ho jaaegaa| jaba yaha jJAna dete haiM na, taba jJAna se jo sukha utpanna hotA hai, usase bAkI ke sabhI sukha phIke lagane lagate haiM / usase rAga khatma ho jAtA hai / praznakartA : vaha anubhava siddha cIz2a hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, anubhava siddha ! praznakartA : loga aisA kahate haiM, rAga para hI pUrA cAra kaSAya hI haiM dveSa jitanA-jitanA acchA lagatA hai vaha saba rAga kahalAtA hai aura jo acchA nahIM lagatA, vaha dveSa kahalAtA hai / kyA rAga bahuta pasaMda hai ?

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[2.3] vItadveSa 125 Arta aura raudradhyAna? to phira? rAga kaise kaha rahe ho? to phira jo dveSa hai vaha pasaMda hai kyA? praznakartA : nahIM psNd| dAdAzrI : rAga aura dveSa meM se gunahagAra kauna hai, vaha DhU~Dha nikaalo| gunahagAra nahIM milate haiM isIlie to pUrA jagat laTaka gayA hai| isameM masAle-vasAle DAlakara pilAyA jAe, taba agara mujhe rAga ho jAe to usameM harja nahIM hai| agara yaha phira se z2arA yAda Ae to bhI harja nahIM hai lekina agara koI kar3avA de aura use pIte samaya dveSa ho jAe to parezAnI hai| yadi rAga ho jAe aura tujhe yAda Ae to usameM harja nahIM hai| phira se yaha rasa pI jaaegaa| tIsarI bAra AegA to tIsarI bAra pI jAegA lekina isakA aMta hai| jabaki dveSa anaMta hai| usakA aMta hI nahIM hai jabaki yaha aMta vAlA hai| praznakartA : zAstroM meM bhI aisA kahA gayA hai ki 'mamatA chodd'o| mamatA chor3anI hai'| mamatA chor3ane kA matalaba pahale rAga chor3ane kI bAta AtI hai na? dAdAzrI : mamatA kI to yahA~ para bAta hI nahIM hai| apane yahA~ mamatA zabda kI bAta hI nahIM hai| vItadveSa kyA hai ? 'mamatA khatma hone ke bAda dveSa jAtA hai, nahIM to nahIM jA sakatA', yahA~ para vaha bAta hai hI nhiiN| yaha to bAhara kI bAta huii| praznakartA : bAhara kI hI bAta hai| dAdAzrI : lekina vaha bAta yahA~ para kAma nahIM AegI na? apane yahA~ para to vItadveSa bana jAte haiN| pahale vItadveSa bana cuke haiM na? vItarAga nahIM banAyA hai| vItarAga nahIM banAnA hai, vItarAga to hote jaaoge| bIja nikAla diyA hai maiMne, bIja khatma ho gyaa| agara samajha meM na Ae to yaha aisI bAta hai ki bAraha-bAraha mahIne taka logoM ko samajha meM na aae| bAraha mahIne nahIM, lAkha sAloM taka bhI samajha meM na Ae, aisI bAta hai|

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126 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : dAdA, aba dUsarI bAta pUchatA huuN| Apane jo dveSa kahA hai, ye rAga aura dveSa do zabda haiN| rAga meM lobha aura mAyA Ate haiM aura dveSa meM mAna aura krodha Ate haiM to... dAdAzrI : Apa ye saba jo bAteM kara rahe haiM, ve sabhI bAhara kI bAteM haiN| usakA aura isakA lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : zAstroM meM jo likhA hai, usakI bAta kara rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : zAstra to sahI haiM, lekina vaha bAhara kI bAta hai| bAhara kI bAta arthAt sthUla bAteM, laukika bAteM haiM jabaki yaha bAta alaukika hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hI dveSa haiN| ve cAroM hI dveSa haiN| praznakartA : zAstra meM do ko kahA gayA hai| dAdAzrI : unhoMne to do ko hI kahA hai lekina Akhira meM ye saba dveSa hI haiM kyoMki jo AtmA ko pIr3ita karate haiM, ve sabhI kaSAya kahalAte haiN| jaba taka ve raheMge taba taka yaha saba hotA rhegaa| apane yahA~ para Apako vItadveSa banA diyA hai| Apako itanA hI dekha lenA hai ki kyA aisA lagatA hai ki hama vItadveSa ho gae haiM ? praznakartA : lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : phira vItarAga to pariNAma hai| ata: usake lie kucha karanA nahIM pdd'egaa| kaoNz2ez2a nikAla die haiM na! mUla kaoNz2ez2a khatma kara die| aba bAta itanI sUkSma hai aura aisI hai ki kaI sAloM taka samajha meM na Ae! yaha bAta buddhi gamya nahIM hai, yaha to jJAna gamya bAta nikalI hai| dekho nikala gaI na! praznakartA : lekina vaha sahI hakIkata hai, hara eka kA aisA anubhava hai ki aba dveSa nahIM hotA, kaSAyoM para...

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[2.3] vItadveSa 127 dAdAzrI : kisI ko nAma mAtra ko bhI dveSa nahIM hotaa| sirpha itanA hai ki Ama z2arUra bhAte haiM, yaha saba acchA lagatA hai, mIThA lagatA hai sb| jaba kar3avA ho na to kar3avA le z2arUra lete haiM lekina dveSa nahIM hotaa| samabhAva se nikAla kara dete haiM, hala le Ate haiM / ataH vItadveSa banA diyA, usake bAda bacA viitraag| bhUkha kA mUla kAraNa dveSa vItarAga ko koI kartApana nahIM hotA / kucha karanA nahIM par3atA apane Apa hI hotA rahatA hai kyoMki dveSa arthAt iMsAna rAga se khAtA hai yA dveSa se khAtA hai? iMsAna jaba khAne jAtA hai to vaha rAga se khAtA hai yA dveSa se ? praznakartA : rAga se khAtA hai ! dAdAzrI : nA, dveSa se khAtA hai / praznakartA : vaha samajhAie dAdA, vaha ThIka se samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : jaba taka use bhUkha nahIM lagatI na, taba taka baiThA rahatA hai becaaraa| jaba bhUkha lagatI hai na, taba aMdara duHkha hotA hai, duHkha hone para dveSa karatA hai na! bhUkha lagatI hai, vahI dveSa kA kAraNa hai| pyAsa lagatI hai, vaha dveSa kA kAraNa hai / use dveSa hotA hai, agara bhUkha hI nahIM lagatI to? viSaya se saMbaMdhita bhUkha nahIM lage, deha se saMbaMdhita bhUkha nahIM lage, aura koI bhUkha nahIM lage to ? I praznakartA : to iMsAna vItarAga ho jAegA / dAdAzrI : vItarAga hI hai na! yaha to bhUkha lagatI hai| kitane prakAra kI bhUkha lagatI hai use ? praznakartA : aneka prakAra kI bhUkha hai na! dAdAzrI : nahIM, yoM hI ! bhUkha nahIM lage isalie Aja ghUmane nahIM jAnA hai, Aja sote rahanA hai / isake bAvajUda bhI bhUkha lage bagaira rahegI kyA ? chor3egI? eka dina yA do dina ?

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128 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : lgegii| dAdAzrI : phira aMdara kyA hotA hai use? praznakartA : roSa hotA hai| dAdAzrI : usase duHkha hotA hai, vedanA hotI hai| jaba vedanA hotI hai usakA matalaba ki dveSa pariNAma utpanna hue| jaba dveSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiM to jo koI Ae use gAliyA~ detA hai| hA~, bhUkha lagane para gAliyA~ detA hai, use kATa bhI khAtA hai| agara koI khAnA lekara jA rahA ho aura use nahIM de to kATa khAtA hai| to bhUkha meM aisA, pyAsa meM aisA, viSaya meM aisA! viSaya eka prakAra kI bhUkha hai| agara sinemA meM nahIM jAne do, use bhUkha lagI ho aura nahIM jAne do taba kyA hogA? dveSa karegA yA rAga? praznakartA : dveSa kregaa| dAdAzrI : to Aja dveSa se hI sArA jagat khar3A hai| rAga ko to becAre ko koI parezAnI hI nahIM hai| sAtha meM sAta striyA~ lekara ghUma na yadi tujhe dveSa nahIM hotA hai to! praznakartA : kyA aisA hai ki jise bahuta bhUkha lagatI hai, use bahuta dveSa hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, haaN| kama bhUkha lage to kama dveSa hotA hai| jisane pichale janma meM brahmacarya ke bhAva kA pAlana kiyA ho, vaisA bhAva cArja kiyA ho to, use isa janma meM brahmacarya kA udaya AtA hai| usakA udaya Ane ke bAda use vaha bhUkha nahIM lgtii| yAnI usakA usa tarapha kA dveSa calA gyaa| to usa tarapha se vaha vItadveSa ho gyaa| usI prakAra jisa-jisa cIz2a kI bhUkha nahIM lagatI, usameM vItadveSa ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : jaba taka zarIra hai, taba taka bhUkha to lagegI hii| dAdAzrI : nahIM! lekina jisane brahmacarya kA bhAva kiyA ho usakI

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[2.3] vItadveSa 129 eka bhUkha to utanI kama ho sakatI hai, aisA hai| bAkI saba prakAra kI bhUkha to lageMgI hii| praznakartA : hA~, dUsarA jo hameM anAja khAne kI bhUkha hai, vaha bhUkha to lagegI hI to phira dveSa to jAegA hI nahIM na kabhI bhI? dAdAzrI : arthAt dveSa jAegA hI nahIM isIlie hamane vItarAga vijJAna dekara Apako vItadveSa banA diyA hai| praznakartA : bhUkha to roz2a lagatI hai phira aisA kaise kahA jA sakatA hai ki vItadveSa bana gae? dAdAzrI : vaha to abhI jaba Apa sAinsa ko samajhoge taba usa dina! abhI to samajhanA bAkI hai na? ye sabhI samajhakara baiThe haiM ki kise bhUkha lagI hai aura kise nahIM, vaisA saba jAnate haiN| kise bhUkha lagI hai, Apa sabhI loga vaha samajhakara baiThe ho na? jabaki ve (jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA) to aisA hI samajhate haiM ki 'mujhe bhUkha lagI hai'| yadi yaha bhUkha nahIM lagatI, pyAsa nahIM lagatI, to ye sAdhu upAzraya se bAhara hI nahIM niklte| rAga to bAda meM paidA huA hai| rAga arthAt yaha acchA aura yaha buraa| vaha bAda kA bhAga hai| mUla rUpa se sabakucha yahIM se utpanna huA hai| yadi usa jar3a ko pakar3a leMge to kAma hI ho jAegA na! ataH Apako vItadveSa banA diyA hai aura mere sAtha baiTha-baiThakara vItarAga bana jAnA hai| jitane samaya taka baiTha pAo, utanA smy| jisase jitanA lAbha liyA jA sake utanA aura ekAvatArI hai, do avatArI, tIna avatArI, pA~ca avatArI, bahuta huA to paMdraha avatAra hoMge lekina aura koI nukasAna to nahIM hogA na! aura usakA (jJAna kA) sukha baratatA hai na hameM! sukha baratatA hai tabhI to saba yahA~ para Ate haiM na, roz2a! yahA~ muMbaI meM cha:-chaH, sAta-sAta ghaMTe kauna itanA samaya bigAr3egA? koI cAra ghaMTe,

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130 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) koI tIna ghaMTe, koI do ghaMTe, koI-koI sAta-ATha ghNtte| cha: ghaMTe ke lie Ane vAle loga bhI haiM na yahA~ para? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : ataH dveSa to... isa jIvana meM jo koI bhI viSaya hai na, ve viSaya duHkha dete haiM, usa kAraNa use dveSa hotA hai| ataH dveSa se prayatna karake, koI use bujhAne kA prayatna karatA hai| acchA-burA bAda meM sIkhA ki yaha Ama ratnAgirI vAlA hai aura yaha vaha vAlA hai| rAga to bahuta samaya bAda siikhaa| rAga to thA hI nhiiN| isa ratnAgirI Ama kI z2arUrata kaba par3atI hai? yadi dUsare Ama hI mileM aura ye Ama milate hI nahIM hoM, taba? ina iMsAnoM ko jo hAjateM haiM na, ve sabhI dveSa vAlI haiN| rAga bAda meM utpanna huA hai| phira to chA~Tane lagA ki yaha isase acchA hai, usase acchA yaha hai, usase acchA yaha hai, usake bajAya yaha acchA hai, lekina jaba bhUkha lagatI hai na, taba kyA vaha acchA-burA kahatA hai ? vaha saba hai azAtA vedanIya hameM bhUkha lagatI hai, to vaha jo bhUkha hotI hai, use azAtA (duHkhapariNAma) vedanIya kahA jAtA hai| aba bAhara se koI azAtA vedanIya nahIM krtaa| azAtA vedanIya arthAt hameM aMdara dveSa hotA rahatA hai, nApasaMdagI hone lagatI hai aura jo koI bIca meM Ae use dhamakA detA hai| aba azAtA vedanIya kadaratI rUpa se hotI hai, kisI ne kI nahIM hai| deha dhAraNa karane kA daMDa hai, ataH dveSa utpanna hotA hai usse| pyAsa vagairaha saba azAtA vedanIya kI vajaha se lagatI hai| ataH jahA~-jahA~ 'lagatI hai' zabda AtA hai na, vaha saba azAtA vedanIya hai| pyAsa lagatI hai, bhUkha lagatI hai, nIMda AtI hai, thakAna lagatI hai, lagatI hai, lagatI hai arthAt jo sulagatI hai vaha saba azAtA vedanIya hai| phira nIMda bhI laga jAtI hai na? ye saba azAtA vedanIya haiM aura isIlie dveSa hotA hai aura dveSa meM se phira azAtA vedanIya kI vajaha se khAne-pIne kA DhU~DhatA hai| phira, jo bhI milatA hai,

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[2.3] vItadveSa vahI khA letA hai, use zAMta karane ke lie| aura usake bAda jaba pasaMda karatA hai, vahA~ se rAga hone kI zuruAta huii| ataH rAga to, eka-eka cIz2a hamArI hI pasaMda hai ki yaha yA yaha yA yaha / jabaki dveSa to anivArya hai| bhAI, khAe bagaira to calegA hI nahIM na ! to kyA soe bagaira bhI nahIM calegA ! koI hameM sone se roke to usake prati kyA hotA hai hameM ? rAga hotA hai yA dveSa hotA hai ? praznakartA : ekadama dveSa hotA hai / dAdAzrI : jaba bhUkha lagI ho aura use koI roke taba kyA hotA hai ? rAga arthAt khuda ke mana mutAbika, vaha khuda kA svataMtra bhAga hai / dveSa meM svataMtra hai hI nhiiN| isa bAre meM zAstra par3he yA bArIkI se soce ? praznakartA: dAdA, bArIkI se kaise soca pAegA ? dAdAzrI : zAstroM meM par3hate haiM / jo zAstra likhe gae haiM, unameM to sabhI ke lie eka sAtha davAI rakhI gaI hai| jise jo anukUla Ae vaha davAI le lenaa| bekAra hI patnI ko chor3akara bhAga mata jaanaa| jise karma kA udaya Ae, vahI chor3anA / karma kA udaya nahIM ho to phira vaisA / (tyAgI) karma ke udaya vAle ko to yadi yahA~ para sAMsArika banAne jAe~ge to bhAga jaaegaa| tIsare hI dina bhAga jAegA / 131 dveSa hI pahale, bAda meM rAga I yadi khuda kI strI para z2arA sA bhI dveSa nahIM rahe na, to strI ke prati rAga hogA hI nahIM, aisA niyama hai / ataH majabUrana strI para rAga karatA hai becArA / yaha to aisA hai ki dveSa hotA hai, isalie vaha dveSa hI use dhakkA mArakara rAga meM DAla detA hai / yadi dveSa nahIM ho rahA ho na to strI para rAga hogA hI nhiiN| vaha z2arA sA socane ke bAda samajha jAtA ki yaha rAga karane jaisI cIz2a hai hI nahIM / bharata rAjA kI teraha sau rAniyA~ thIM lekina rAga huA hogA para dveSa nahIM huA hogA unheM ! vItadveSa ho cuke the bharata rAjA !

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132 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) yaha to zAdI karake eka strI ko lAyA aura agara vaha kAlI ho taba dUsarI kisI gorI strI para use rAga ho hI jAtA hai| are terI patnI hai na! taba kahatA hai, lekina gorI nahIM hai na!' agara gorI striyA~ bilkula hotI hI nahIM to rAga hotA kyA use? praznakartA : nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : basa, mukhya kAraNa dveSa hI hai| strI kI z2arUrata hai, ye indriyA~ aisI haiM ki jaba taka jJAna nahIM ho jAe to use strI kI, sabhI cIz2oM kI z2arUrata rahatI hai| praznakartA : jJAna hone ke bAda z2arUrata nahIM rahatI? dAdAzrI : jJAna hone ke bAda meM phira z2arUrata nahIM rhtii| ataH sirpha strI ke prati hone vAlA viSaya-vikAra ruka jAtA hai| bAkI saba, khAne-pIne kI to z2arUrata par3atI hai aMta taka, deha jIvita hai taba tk| bacce pUrva janma ke dveSa kA pariNAma yadi tujhe patnI va baccoM ke prati dveSa nahIM hogA to rAga utpanna hI nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : vaha kisa prakAra se? jo cIz2a pasaMda ho, jisa para rAga ho, usake prati dveSa ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : dveSa hI hai, tabhI rAga hotA hai na! dveSa ke binA rAga nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : kyA aisA hai ki pahale dveSa hotA hai? dAdAzrI : dveSa ke binA rAga ho hI nahIM sktaa| rAga meM se dveSa aura dveSa meM se raag| bacce ko jaba davAI pilAne lageM taba agara vaha yoM phUMka mArakara hamArI A~khoM meM DAla de to? praznakartA : to dveSa hotA hai|

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[2.3] vItadveSa dAdAzrI : taba dveSa hotA hai| ataH pahale agara dveSa calA jAe to phira rAga calA jaaegaa| abhI ApakA dveSa calA gayA hai| kisI para dveSa nahIM hotA lekina rAga to rahegA lekina vaha nikAlI rAga hai| yahA~ para mahAtmAoM ko to nikAlI dveSa bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : mujhe abhI taka yaha ThIka se samajha meM nahIM AyA ki dveSa meM se rAga hotA hai| bacce ko dekhakara saba se pahale to rAga hI hotA hai na hmeN| dAdAzrI : jahA~ dveSa huA ho vahIM para rAga hotA hai, nahIM to rAga ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : pUrva janma ke kisI karma ke kAraNa dveSa huA hogA? dAdAzrI : usI ke pariNAma svarUpa yaha rAga hotA hai| usa para bahuta hI dveSa rahA hogA na to isa bAra beTe ke yahA~ beTA banakara godI meM khelane AtA hai aura phira hama use cUmate haiN| 'are bhAI, yaha to pasaMda nahIM thA na, to kyoM cUma rahA hai?' rAga meM se dveSa, dveSa meM se rAga kleza kA kAraNa dveSa hai| atizaya rAga ho jAe taba nApasaMdagI ho jAtI hai| kucha hada taka kA paricaya rAga meM pariNAmita hotA hai aura 'rija poinTa' Ane ke bAda jaba Age bar3hate haiM to dveSa meM pariNAmita hotA hai| jaba dveSa hotA hai, usI samaya rAga ke kAraNoM kA sevana hotA hai aura ina sabhI kI jar3a meM jo rAga-dveSa haiM, ve 'iphekTa' haiM aura jo ajJAna hai, vaha 'kaoNz2a' hai! praznakartA : eka jagaha AptavANI meM par3hA hai ki 'rAga se dveSa ke bIja Dalate haiM aura dveSa se rAga ke bIja Dalate haiM, yaha z2arA smjhaaie| aisA kaise hotA hai? dAdAzrI : kyoM? nahIM to kyA lagatA hai Apako?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : dveSa meM se rAga, bAta samajha meM AtI hai lekina rAga meM se dveSa samajha meM nahIM A rhaa| dAdAzrI : kyA samajha meM AyA 'dveSa meM se rAga' meM ? praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA thA ki mujhe inakA ceharA bhI nahIM dekhanA hai aura phira vahI putra ke rUpa meM paidA hotA hai| dAdAzrI : taba cUmatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : lekina isakA artha yahI huA na ki dveSa meM se rAga utpanna huA? dAdAzrI : donoM Amane-sAmane hI haiN| rAga, dveSa ko utpanna karatA hai aura dveSa, rAga ko utpanna karatA hai| vItarAgoM ko ye sparza nahIM krte| praznakartA : rAga meM se dveSa kaise utpanna hotA hai ? vaha z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : Apako bahuta rAga ho lekina phira bhI jaba usakI ati ho jAtI hai taba dveSa hone lagatA hai| praznakartA : 'ati hone se dveSa hotA hai' yaha eka siddhAMta huA lekina usa siddhAMta ko udAharaNa dekara samajhAie n| dAdAzrI : roz2a ghara meM kalaha hai, usakA kAraNa yahI hai| usakA kAraNa rAga hai| usakI jaba ati ho jAtI hai taba dveSa hotA hai| rAga karane ke pariNAma svarUpa hara roz2a yaha dveSa hotA hai| praznakartA : eka strI ko apane pati ke prati bahuta hI rAga ho to phira unake bIca takarAra hogI? dAdAzrI : hA~, phira yadi agara vaha kabhI kahIM bAhara jAe aura nahIM A pAe to cir3hatI rhegii| vItarAga ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| rAga vAloM ke bIca jhagar3e hote hI rahate haiN|

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[2.3] vItadveSa 135 praznakartA : bahuta rAga ho to hote haiM, vaha bAta sahI hai| dAdAzrI : kama ho taba bhI hotA hai yaha to| praznakartA : agara kama hai to thor3A bahuta hotA hai jabaki usameM z2yAdA hotA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina hotA z2arUra hai| bacce para bahuta rAga thA, ikalautA beTA thA, jaba usake pitA jI chaH mahIne bAda muMbaI se Ae to beTA pApA jI, pApA jI kahane lagA to unhoMne use ekadama goda meM uThA liyaa| uThAkara use aisA dabAyA ki baccA bahuta daba gyaa| taba usane kATa liyaa| atireka se bigar3a jAtA hai sabhI kuch| usakI hada sIkha lenI caahie| sahI anupAta meM (belensa) karate-karate vItarAga hote jaaeNge| dhIre-dhIre anupAta (limiTa) meM lAte-lAte vItarAga ho sakate haiN| baccA kATa legA yA nahIM? praznakartA : hA~, hA~, kATa legaa| dAdAzrI : vaha sahI thA yA baccA sahI thA? praznakartA : bacce ne sahI hI kiyaa| hA~, ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : phira bhI ye bApa bAra-bAra dabAte rahate haiN| praznakartA : bahuta rAga kiyA to usameM usa bacce ko dveSa ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, bahuta rAga huA isalie dveSa huaa| phira jaba usane kATa khAyA to pitA ko dveSa ho gyaa| beTe ko utArakara maaraa| taba bhI vaha bApa samajhA nhiiN| beTe ko z2yAdA dbaayaa| vaha to aisA samajhA ki maiMne prema kiyA, phira bhI isane kATa khAyA ! aisI hai yaha sArI duniyA, aMdhe loga aMdhere meM cala rahe haiM lekina kyA ho sakatA hai? ataH maiMne jo cazme die haiM, unheM pahanakara calanA ArAma se, maz2e se| cazme to acche haiM, Thokara nahIM lagatI na?

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136 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) duniyA ko jo bAteM kabhI bhI spaSTa nahIM ho sakatI thIM, vaisA spaSTIkaraNa diyA hai maiNne| choTI se choTI bAta kaa| akrama vijJAna ne banAyA vItadveSa sirpha 'vItarAga' hI kahA gayA hai| apane yahA~ para jJAna dete hI saba se pahale dveSa calA jAtA hai, hara kisI kaa| koI gAliyA~ de to bhI usake sAtha samabhAva se nikAla karatA hai lekina dveSa nahIM krtaa| kyA inake sAtha Apako aisA kucha anubhava huA hai? pUrA-pUrA anubhava huA hai| praznakartA : niraMtara anubhava hotA hai| dAdAzrI : gAliyA~ dete haiM taba bhI! varnA gAlI kA to kyA pariNAma AtA hai? vaha gAliyA~ de taba kyA hotA hai ? dveSa hotA hai yA rAga? praznakartA : dveSa hI hotA hai| isa jJAna ke bAda to jahA~ para dveSa karane yogya jagaha ho vahA~ para bhI aba dveSa nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : dveSa karane yogya vyakti ke ghara para chor3a diyA jAe taba bhI agara dveSa nahIM ho, taba samajhanA ki yaha vItarAga banane lAyaka ho gayA! dveSa karane kI jagaha para dveSa hone lage to, vaha to mIniMgalesa cIz2a hai| Apako aba pahale jaisA dveSa nahIM hotA na kisI jagaha para? praznakartA : eka jagaha para hotA hai| dAdAzrI : eka jagaha meM harja nhiiN| eka jagaha ho taba to vaha mujhe sauMpa denaa| lekina bAkI sabhI jagaha para, pUrI duniyA meM kisI bhI jagaha para dveSa nahIM hotA na? eka jagaha para Apako jo hotA hai, vaha to ApakI dRSTi kI bhUla hai, samajhane meM bhUla hai| vAstava meM to vahA~ para bhI nahIM hotA aura bAkI jagahoM para nahIM hotA hai na? ataH kisI bhI jagaha para dveSa nahIM hotA hai na? praznakartA : nahIM, kahIM para bhI nhiiN|

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[2.3] vItadveSa 137 dAdAzrI : moTara meM Apake sAtha cAra loga baiThe hue hoM aura unameM se eka bhAI Apase kahe ki, 'pA~ca minaTa darzana karake AtA hU~', to Apa cAra loga baiThe-baiThe, 'yaha gayA', use gAliyA~ dete ho? kyA karate ho Apa? praznakartA : vaha to jo saMyoga AyA, use dekhanA hai| ataH usameM dveSa to hogA hI nahIM na hmeN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina Apa kyA karoge? samabhAva se nikAla karoge? phira una para dveSa nahIM karoge na? AdhA-paunA ghaMTA ho jAe taba bhI? praznakartA : hA~, taba bhI dveSa nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : vahI! Apako vItadveSa banA diyA hai| ataH maiMne Apako kauna se jJAna para rakha diyA hai? ApakA dveSa bilkula nikala gayA hai| arthAt maiMne Apake rAga ko nahIM rokA hai| maiMne Apase kahA hai, 'hAphUsa ke Ama, rasa-roTI vagairaha saba khaanaa-piinaa| kapar3e pahananA, sinemA dekhane jAnA!' kyoM kahA hai? Apako usa para baira nahIM hai islie| maiMne ApakA dveSa baMda karavA diyA hai isalie pUre dina Apa saMyama meM rahate ho| isa dveSa ke kAraNa hI sArA asaMyama hai| pUre dina rAga nahIM raha sakatA iMsAna ko, dveSa hI rahatA hai ! ataH aisA hai na, yadi dveSa kA pariNAma kama ho jAe na, to rAga rahane meM harja nahIM hai| abhI Apako vItadveSa banAne ke bAda chor3a diyA hai| phira bhI Apako koI vItarAga nahIM khegaa| phira bhI Apako kahA~ taka kI prApti ho gaI hai ? vItadveSa ho gae ho| Apake ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda ho gae haiN| ye ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna, dveSa haiN| ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna dveSa kahalAte haiM yA rAga kahalAte haiM ? dveSa haiM ye to| jahA~ para rAga hai, vahA~ para kyA raudradhyAna ho sakatA hai ? jaba rAga hotA hai usa samaya raudradhyAna nahIM ho sktaa| jahA~ dveSa hai, vahIM para raudradhyAna hotA hai|

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138 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) vItadveSa kyoM nahIM ? vItadveSa ho gae ho lekina vItarAga nahIM hue ho na ! usake bAda yaha rAga jaaegaa| aba yaha rAga kisa taraha se jAegA? aisA hai na, kar3avA chor3a dete ho aura kar3ave para Apa dveSa chor3a dete ho lekina mIThA chor3ane meM Apako dera lagegI aura usake prati jo rAga hai, use jAne meM bhI dera lgegii| kar3avA chor3a denA hara kisI ko AtA hai aura mIThA chor3anA ? praznakartA : usameM dera lagatI hai / ThIka hai / dAdAzrI : aba isIlie aisA kahA hai ki kar3avA chUTa gayA hai| vahI saba se bar3A jokhima thA, dveSa kA / praznakartA : ata: mUlataH dveSa meM se utpanna huA hai ? dAdAzrI : mUlataH dveSa meM se hI utpanna huA hai yaha saba aura usase bhI Age jAe~ to baira meM se utpanna huA hai / ataH maitrI ho jAegI taba kAma hogA, varnA jaba taka baira rahegA, taba taka dveSa baaNdhegaa| caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kI itanI sI, yaha eka hI bAta agara samajha jAe to jagat kA kalyANa ho jaaegaa| yahI eka bAta, caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kI ki, 'vItadveSa bano!' praznakartA : bahuta bar3I bAta hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, bahuta gaharI bAta hai, kabhI-kabhI hI aisI bAta nikala jAtI hai| vItadveSa aura vItarAga ! vItadveSa zabda to duniyA ne sunA hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA: aura jaba jAtA hai taba bhI pahale dveSa jAtA hai aura usake bAda rAga jAtA hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, pahale dveSa jAtA hai / pahale dveSa jAnA hI cAhie / agara vaha nahIM jAegA to phira mokSa nahIM hogA / cAhe kitane hI rAga khatma karoge to bhI kucha badalegA nahIM /

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[2.3] vItadveSa 139 'maiM caMdU hU~' meM rAga, to svarUpa meM dveSa 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', vahI Aropita jagaha para rAga hai aura bAkI sabhI jagaha para dveSa hai yAnI ki svarUpa ke prati dveSa hai, eka tarapha rAga ho to usake dUsarI tarapha sAmane vAle kone para dveSa rahatA hI hai| hama svarUpa kA bhAna karavAte haiM, zuddhAtmA kA lakSa (jAgRti) de dete haiM isalie usI kSaNa ve vItadveSa sthiti meM A jAtA hai aura jaise-jaise Age bar3hatA hai vaise-vaise vItarAga hotA jAtA hai| vItarAga arthAt mUla jagaha kA, svarUpa kA jJAna-darzana / bane vItadveSa jJAna milate hI praznakartA : ye jo vItarAga haiM, unheM rAga nahIM hotA lekina Apake prati hameM rAga hai| dAdAzrI : mere prati rAga rakhane meM harja nahIM hai / praznakartA : isalie yahA~ Ane kA mana ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : mere prati to rAga rahegA hii| praznakartA : to vItarAga kA matalaba kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAga arthAt vAstava meM dekhA jAe to... aisA kahanA cAhie ki vItarAga-dveSa ! lekina vItarAga kyoM kahate haiM ? to vaha isalie ki unheM jaba AtmA kI jAgRti hotI hai, samyak darzana hotA hai, kSAyaka samyak darzana, usa samaya ve vItadveSa to ho hI jAte haiM / hama jaba Apako jJAna dete haiM na, taba vItadveSa arthAt ApameM se dveSa nAma kI cIz2a nikala jAtI hai| dveSa calA jAtA hai| ataH krodha hone para vaha Apako acchA nahIM lgtaa| kisI ke prati tiraskAra hotA hai to vaha acchA nahIM lgtaa| vaha saba, jise dveSa kahA jAtA hai, jise tiraskAra kahate haiM, vaha nahIM hotA / ataH vItadveSa to ho cuke ho|

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140 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vItadveSa ke bAda bacA DiscArja rAga praznakartA : 'rAga ho to bAda meM dveSa hotA hai| rAga lobha kA paryAya hai aura saba se aMta meM jAtA hai isIlie aisA bhI ho sakatA hai ki rAga ho lekina dveSa na rahe, lekina jahA~ para rAga nahIM hai vahA~ para dveSa nahIM hai| rAga mukhya hai, usakA kSaya hone para saMpUrNa Atma svarUpa arthAt mokSa prApta hotA hai', yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : dveSa kA svabhAva kar3avA hai isalie kar3avA bhAva chUTa jAtA hai aura rAga mIThA hai isalie raha jAtA hai| jo kar3avA hai vaha acchA nahIM lagatA lekina aba eka bAra ghusa gayA hai to vaha kara bhI kyA sakatA hai? lekina jaba jJAna milatA hai taba yA phira usakI dRSTi badala jAe, Atma dRSTi ho jAe taba phira dveSa chUTa jAtA hai| Atma dRSTi hone se dveSa khatma ho jAtA hai kyoMki vaha kar3avA hai| yadi mIThA hotA to khatma hI nahIM hone detA use ! ataH rAga aMta taka rahatA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, Apa jaba yaha jJAna dete haiM taba ye jo rAga aura dveSa haiM, unameM se dveSa to usI kSaNa khatma ho jAtA hai| aisA kaise hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha dveSa pahale hI khatma ho jAtA hai kyoMki pApoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai| usake bAda sirpha rAga bacatA hai| vaha rAga bhI dhIre-dhIre kama hotA jAtA hai aura vaha rAga bhI DiscArja bhAva se hai, cArja bhAva se nahIM hai| dhIre-dhIre-dhIre kama hotA jAtA hai aura aMta meM vItarAga kahalAtA hai| jaba rAga bhI calA jAtA hai taba vItarAga kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, yadi rAga DiscArja ke rUpa meM hI hai to phira dveSa bhI DiscArja ke rUpa meM rahatA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, dveSa to calA hI jAtA hai| agara dveSa rahe to nae karma bNdhege| jaba taka dveSa rahatA hai taba taka ciMtA hotI hai| yahA~ to eka bhI ciMtA nahIM hotii| usakA kyA kAraNa hai ki dveSa khatma ho jAtA hai| pahale hI dina!

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[2.3] vItadveSa 141 praznakartA : pahale dina nahIM, usI kSaNa khatma ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : ata: vaha usI kSaNa jitendriya jina bana jAtA hai| sabhI indriyoM ko jIta liyA hai isalie usI kSaNa jitendriya jina bana jAtA hai arthAt vItadveSa bana jAtA hai / sabhI indriyoM ko jIta letA hai / praznakartA : lekina dveSa to DiscArja bhAva se rahegA yA nahIM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / praznakartA : nahIM rahegA / yoM anubhava se aisA dikhAI detA hai ki jinheM hama apanA duzmana samajhate the unake prati duzmanI nahIM rahatI / dAdAzrI : rahatI hI nahIM / vItadveSa ho jAtA hai / praznakartA : apanA dveSa to calA jAtA hai lekina sAmane vAle kA dveSa bhI calA jAe, usake lie kyA karanA cAhie ? dAdAzrI : pratikramaNa karate rahanA cAhie / dveSa meM se rAga utpanna huaa| donoM ke bIca kAraNa- kArya kA saMbaMdha hai / ataH dveSa nahIM hotA / isalie sabhI kAraNa baMda ho gae, vItadveSa ! praznakartA : phira dAdA, rAga to rahatA hai / strI hai, bacce haiM, oNphisa hai, naukarI-dhaMdhA hai to phira rAga to rahA na ? kyA vaha rAga DiscArja kahalAegA ? dAdAzrI : vaha rAga DiscArja ke rUpa meM hai / vAstava meM cArja ke rUpa meM rAga kahA~ para rahatA hai, jaba taka yaha bhAna rahe ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', taba vAstava meM rAga hai| lekina aisA bhAna huA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to usa kSaNa se vAstavika rAga nahIM rahatA, DiscArja ke rUpa meM rahatA hai| jisakA aTaika gayA vaha bhagavAna bana gayA dharma to kise kahate haiM ? kisI bhI saMyogoM meM rAga-dveSa na ho, usI ko dharma kahate haiN| bhale hI rAga ho lekina dveSa to honA hI nahIM cAhie / jabaki ve to (jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA) phuphakArate haiM /

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142 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) itanA hI dekha lenA hai ki aTaika nahIM hotA na aura jaba aTaika hone lage taba mujhase kaha denA ki mujhe aTaika karane ke vicAra A rahe haiN| ve vicAra bhale hI Ae~ lekina vaha terA khuda kA aTaika nahIM hai na? to kahatA hai, 'nahIM, nahIM hai'| to phira koI bAta nhiiN| zAstra kahate haiM ki agara tere bhAva meM aTaika nahIM hai to tU mahAvIra hI hai| jaba se mere aTaika baMda ho gae, tabhI se maiM apane Apako mahAvIra hI mAnatA thaa| basa itanA hI ki maiM kahatA nahIM thaa| 'jo bhagavAna ne batAyA hai, yaha vahI cIz2a hogI', mere pAsa anya koI cIz2a DhU~Dhane ko rahA hI nhiiN| isa duniyA meM aisA vyakti DhU~Dha nikAlo jisane aTaika karanA baMda kara diyA ho, aisA ho hI nahIM sktaa| z2arA sA yoM 'mere ko', 'hama ko' yA 'hama kA' kI vajaha se yahA~ se chUTa nahIM sktaa| 'hama ko' Tala jAegA na to pUrI duniyA hI Tala jaaegii| aisA koI upadezaka nahIM ki jo aTaika baMda kara sakA ho| rAga-dveSa ke bhogavaToM kA anokhA hisAba praznakartA : jisa para rAga ho, vahI phira dveSa se bhugatanA par3atA hai aura jisa para dveSa hai, vahI phira rAga se bhugatanA par3atA hai| z2arA isa sUtra ko smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : rAga kabhI bhI yoM hI to nahIM ho jaataa| rAga to, jaba koI jhaTakA vagairaha lage taba hotA hai| kisI mitra ke sAtha kisI bAta para anabana ho jAe, bolacAla baMda ho jAe to cha:-bAraha mahInoM taka agara bolanA baMda rahe to bahuta rAga hone lagatA hai usameM aura jaba vApasa usase bolanA zurU karate haiM taba ve loga gale laga jAte haiN| aba dveSa se bolanA baMda kiyA thA aura aba dveSa meM se itanA rAga ho gayA ki aMta meM gale lagakara mitratA kI to itanI adhika ekatA ho jAtI hai ki pUcho mata! isI prakAra yaha sArI duniyA cala rahI hai| jahA~ ApakA hisAba hai vahIM para AkarSaNa hotA hai| rAga kise kahate haiM ki hama khuza hokara AkarSaNa paidA karate haiN| aura yaha rAga nahIM

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[2.3] vItadveSa 143 hai| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? ApakI icchA nahIM hai phira bhI AkarSaNa hotA hai| aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : hotA hai, hotA hai| dAdAzrI : to vaha rAga nahIM khlaaegaa| rAga meM to khuda kI icchA kI vajaha se hotA hai aura aba khuda kI icchA nahIM hai| hamane yaha jJAna diyA usake bAda se ina sabhI kI patniyA~ haiM, para vaha bagaira icchA ke honA caahie| jitanA AkarSaNa hai sirpha utanA hI! dveSa vikarSaNa hai aura rAga AkarSaNa hai| AkarSaNa-vikarSaNa hote hI rahate haiM, vaha pudgala kA svabhAva hai| Atma svabhAva vaisA nahIM hai| yaha hai saMpUrNa vijJAna jaba se jJAnIpuruSa se mile, tabhI se vItadveSa banA diyA hai| usake bAda jaise-jaise phAiloM kA nikAla hogA to vItarAga hote jAoge aura jisakI sarvasva phAiloM kA nikAla ho gayA vaha vItarAga ho gyaa| aise jJAnIpuruSa saMpUrNa vItarAga hote haiN| z2arA eka-do aMza kI kamI rahatI hai, bAkI saMpUrNa vItarAga! jaise-jaise vItarAgatA bar3hatI jAtI hai, utanI hI rAga-dveSa rahitatA AtI jAtI hai aura utanA hI hameM mokSa samajha meM AtA jAtA hai| pUrNa dazA utpanna hotI jAtI hai| saMpUrNa vItarAgatA, usI ko bhagavAna kahate haiN| apanA yaha tarIkA pUrNataH vaijJAnika hai! saMpUrNa vijJAna hai yaha to! pUrA hI vijJAna hai| satAisa sAloM se maiM jo kucha bhI kaha rahA hU~ vaha saMpUrNa vijJAna hai| eka-eka zabda vijJAna hai| vijJAna ko siddhAMta kahA jAtA hai|

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[2.4] prazasta rAga jo kabhI bhI bhUlA na jA sake, vaha prazasta rAga pahale vItadveSa bana jAte haiM usake bAda vItarAga banate haiN| vItadveSa utpanna hone ke bAda sirpha rAga bacatA hai| rAga bAda meM hI jAtA hai, aisA usakA svabhAva hai kyoMki jaba Akhira meM pudgala meM se jaba rAga nikala jAtA hai to vaha jJAnIpuruSa para A jAtA hai| lekina vaha rAga bhI kaisA? prazasta raag| jina jJAnI ne jJAna diyA una jJAnI para rAga yA phira unhoMne zAstra batAe hoM to zAstroM para rAga! ataH AtmA se saMbaMdhita jo sAdhana haiM, una para jo rAga rahatA hai, vaha prazasta rAga hai| aura vaha rAga dhIredhIre kama hote-hote aMta meM jaba khatma ho jAtA hai taba vItarAga bana jAtA hai| jo rAga jJAnIpuruSa aura bAkI saba para A jAtA hai, aMta meM vaha bhI nikAlanA to par3egA hI na kabhI na kabhI? praznakartA : to aisA nahIM hai dAdA ki jahA~ rAga hotA hai vahA~ para dveSa hotA hI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha agara paudgalika rAga hogA to dveSa hogaa| ise prazasta rAga kahA jAtA hai, isameM use dveSa nahIM rhtaa| prazasta rAga, vaha dveSa vAlA nahIM hotaa| yaha rAga adbhuta rAga hai aura yahI rAga mokSa dilavAtA hai| prazasta rAga to jJAnIpuruSa ke prati hotA hai| praznakartA : vaha rAga nahIM apitu prema hai| dAdAzrI : vaha prema bhI prazasta rAga kahalAtA hai| vaha yadi ho gayA to kAma ho jaaegaa|

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[2.4] prazasta rAga 145 praznakartA : prazasta rAga kA zabdArtha kyA hai? vaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : vaha to bahuta ucca prakAra kA rAga hai| vaha aisA rAga kahalAtA hai jisase baMdhana nahIM hotaa| jisake phalasvarUpa baMdhana nahIM aataa| bAkI sabhI prakAra ke rAga se baMdhana hotA hai| yaha rAga mukti dilavAtA hai| dAdA kabhI bhI bhulAe na jA sakeM, vahI hai prazasta raag| dAdA kabhI bhI bhulAe na jA sakeM, aisA hotA hai kisI ko? u~galI uThAo, dekhate haiN| eka-do-tIna... sabhI ko hotA hai aisA? kyA bAta hai? ye kabhI bhI bhulAe nahIM jA skte| dAdA ko nahIM bhulAyA to vaha AtmA ko na bhulAne ke barAbara hai kyoMki jJAnIpuruSa hI khuda kA AtmA hai| praznakartA : Apake pAsa na Ae~ to lagatA hai ki kucha kamI hai| dAdAzrI : jaba taka khuda ke AtmA kA spaSTa anubhava nahIM hai taba taka jJAnIpuruSa hI khuda kA AtmA hai aura unake pAsa rahA to usameM sabakucha A jaaegaa| bahuta AsAna bAta hai na! muzkila nahIM hai| jJAnI ke lie bAvarApana praznakartA : jJAnI ko dekhate rahane se mukti milatI hai, isakA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jinheM dekhate haiM, usI rUpa hote jAte haiN| nirIkSaNa karate rahane se usI rUpa hote jAte haiN| praznakartA : dUsaroM ko sAmAnya rUpa se dekhate haiM to unameM zuddhAtmA bhAva dikhAI detA hai| Apake lie vaha vicAra hI nahIM aataa| mana Apake zarIra para hI cipaka jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : ye deha sahita pUrNa zuddhAtmA kahe jaaeNge| praznakartA : hameM Apake prati atyaMta bhAva ho jAtA hai taba Apake lie bAvarApana ho jAtA hai to aisA karane se jo mUla vastu prApta karanI hai, vaha to eka tarapha nahIM raha jAegI?

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| bAvarApana nahIM hai| bAvarApana Apako, khuda ko samajha meM AtA hai| khuda AtmA hai, phira kyA bAvarApana samajha meM nahIM AegA ? 146 praznakartA : gautama svAmI ke sAtha kyoM aisA huA thA ? dAdAzrI : vaha huA thA lekina usakI vajaha se jJAna meM vilaMba ho sakatA hai lekina jJAna calA nahIM jAegA / jJAna meM vilaMba ho sakatA hai lekina vaha prazasta rAga kahalAtA hai / prazasta rAga kA phala kyA hai ? viitraagtaa| yaha jo sAMsArika rAga hai na, usakA phala rAga-dveSa hai / ataH vItadveSa hone ke bAda kauna sA rAga bacatA hai ? prazasta rAga bacatA hai| jo rAga mokSa kA pratyakSa kAraNa hai / usameM sAMsArika rAga kA chIMTA taka nahIM hotA / praznakartA : kyA prazasta rAga AsAnI se khatma ho jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : usameM harja nahIM hai / agara prazasta rAga na jAe to bhI harja nahIM hai kyoMki vaha mokSa dilavAkara hI dama letA hai| ataH isa bAre meM koI ciMtA nahIM karanI hai / prazasta rAga, jaisA gautama svAmI ko mahAvIra bhagavAna ke prati thA / vaha agara abhI nahIM ho rahA hai to kucha samaya bAda apane Apa hI vilaya ho jAegA, vilaya hotA hI rahegA / praznakartA : usase to unakA mokSa ruka gayA, gautama svAmI kA / dAdAzrI : use kyA 'rukanA' kahA jAegA ? chaH yA bAraha sAla bAda hogA, paMdraha sAla bAda hogA, agale janma meM ho jaaegaa| isa prazasta rAga kA Dara nahIM hai, sAMsArika rAga kA Dara hai / prazasta rAga cAhe kitanA bhI ho, usake prati bhaya rakhane jaisA nahIM hai / praznakartA : prazasta rAga kI vajaha se kevalajJAna nahIM ho sakatA na ? dAdAzrI : hameM kevalajJAna kI kyA jaldI hai ? kahanA, 'tujhe AnA ho to aanaa'| aisA hai na, hama Trena meM baiTha gae haiM na ! kevalajJAna to saba

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[2.4] prazasta rAga 147 se aMtima sTezana hai| apane Apa hI aaegaa| usakI kyA jaldI hai? kevalajJAna to hAtha meM A hI gayA samajho, aisA hai| jaba se spaSTa vedana huA na tabhI se vaha kevalajJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : kevalajJAna nahIM lekina jJAna to ruka jAegA na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jJAna to nahIM rukegaa| jJAna to balki bddh'egaa| aisA hai na ki aisA kise hotA hai ? bAhara bahuta hI ulajhana meM par3A huA koI iMsAna ho aura, use jaba aisA ho jAe taba phira ve saba ulajhaneM sulajha jAtI haiM aura eka hI dRSTi ho jAtI hai| hara eka ko aisA nahIM hotaa| jo bAhara duniyA meM bahuta DUba cukA hai, bAhara bahuta jagahoM para usakA citta cipakA huA ho na to jaba yahA~ para cipakatA hai to bAhara sabhI jagaha se ukhar3a jAtA hai| ahitakArI nahIM hai yh| ise prazasta rAga kahA gayA hai| jyAdAtara yaha rAga to utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| agara ho jAe to uttama kArya karatA hai| praznakartA : kyA jJAnI para prazasta rAga ke alAvA paudgalika rAga bhI utpanna ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : paudgalika rAga to hamezA ukhar3a hI jAtA hai| vaha rAga cipakatA hai, pudgala se cipakatA hai lekina phira ukhar3a jAtA hai, aMta meM phira prazasta rAga ke rUpa meM hI rahatA hai| aisA huA hai, pahale bhI huA hI hai na? yaha koI naI cIz2a nahIM hai| aisA hotA hai lekina aMta meM bAkI sabhI jagahoM se chUTa jAtA hai| bAkI sabhI jagaha jo jhAr3iyA~ hotI haiM na sArI, una saba meM se chUTa jAtA hai aura eka hI jagaha para A jAtA hai| isalie ise logoM ne saba se acchA sAdhana mAnA hai, prazasta rAga ko| bAkI saba jhAr3iyA~ vagairaha sabakucha ukhar3a jAtA hai| prazasta rAga, vaha sTepiMga hai| prazasta rAga arthAt mokSa dilavAne vAlA raag| sTepsa car3hAtA hai yaha

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148 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) raag| dveSa ko yoM hI ur3A detA hai, pharsTa sTepa se hii| arthAt sabhI kA hama para rAga hai to sahI lekina vaha prazasta rAga kahalAtA hai, vaha sAMsArika rAga nahIM hai| usameM sAMsArika bhAva nahIM hai, bhautika nahIM hai| prazasta rAga aura prazasta moha yaha prazasta rAga to niraMtara rakhane yogya hai| prazasta arthAt aisA rAga jo ahitakArI nahIM hai, hitakArI hai| aisA rAga jisakI jJAniyoM ne prazaMsA kI hai aura aprazasta arthAt ahitakArI, saMsAra meM bhaTakAne vaalaa| praznakartA : rAga aura prazasta rAga meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : prazasta rAga mokSa meM le jAne vAlA rAga hai aura yaha sAMsArika rAga saMsAra meM DUbAne vAlA rAga hai| jo rAga bhautika sukha ke lie hotA hai, vaha rAga kahalAtA hai aura bhautika chor3ane ke lie jo rAga kiyA jAtA hai, vaha prazasta rAga hai| praznakartA : prazasta rAga aura prazasta moha meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : prazasta rAga jA sakatA hai, dhula jAtA hai| moha dhulane meM z2arA dera lagatI hai| rAga cipakAI huI cIz2a hai aura moha cipakI huI cIz2a hai| phira yaha to chUTa jAtA hai, isa rAga ke bAda cipacipAhaTa nahIM rhtii| kyA prazasta rAga meM cipacipAhaTa hai kahIM para? sAMsArika rAga gAr3ha hotA hai jabaki prazasta rAga gAr3ha nahIM hotaa| jJAnI kI bhakti, vaha zuddha lobha praznakartA : dAdA ke prati bhakti ke bhAva hote haiM, atyaMta bhakti bhAva AtA hai to use kisameM rakheMge? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha meM se kisameM rakheMge? dAdAzrI : yaha lobha meM jaaegaa| sirpha lobha meM hii| praznakartA : vaha prazasta rAga nahIM hai, dAdA? vaha krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha meM kaise AegA? prazasta rAga huA hai na mahAtmAoM ko|

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[24] prazasta rAga 149 dAdAzrI : to lobha hI hai na ? praznakartA : lobha ! ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : kapaTa vAlA lobha nahIM hai| asala meM jo rAga hotA hai usameM kapaTa aura lobha donoM sAtha meM haiM / yaha prazasta rAga to sirpha lobha hI hai| praznakartA : mokSa kA lobha ? dAdAzrI : lobha / praznakartA : ina mahAtmAoM ko jagat kalyANa kI bhAvanA hotI rahatI hai, aMdara jo aisA rahatA hai vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : isakA artha sirpha itanA hI hai ki jisakA khuda kA kalyANa ho jAtA hai, usI ko aisA vicAra AtA hai| varnA kisI ko aisA vicAra AyA hI nahIM isa duniyA meM / auroM ko to aisA vicAra AegA hI kaise ? are, usake ghara meM hI behada jhaMjhaTa hotI hai ! sirpha kRpAludeva ko Ae the aise vicAra, apane sAdhu-saMnyAsiyoM ko bhI nahIM / kyoMki ve loga apane ziSyoM se hI parezAna ho cuke haiN| kyA kareM ? praznakartA : yaha jo jagat kalyANa kA bhAva hotA hai, vaha bhI lobha kahalAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha bhI lobha hai na / eka prakAra kA rAga hai na, prazasta raag| jisakA khuda kA kalyANa ho cukA hai, vaha aisA saba khojatA hai| aba ye lar3ake, sabhI brahmacArI pUre dina yahI karate haiM / ohoho.... aise loga to haiM hI nhiiN| loga ApharIna ho jAte haiM unheM dekhakara kyoMki ye ve haiM jinheM kucha bhI nahIM cAhie, jinheM kucha bhI lAbha nahIM uThAnA ! praznakartA : dAdA ! to abhI agara ina mahAtmAoM ko aisA lobha hai to vaha acchA hai na ? yaha prazasta rAga vAlA lobha ? dAdAzrI : yaha lobha karane se, bAkI sabhI meM se ApakI vRttiyA~ uTha jAe~gI aura vRttiyA~ eka hI jagaha para cipaka jaaeNgii| dAdA para

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150 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) cipaka jAe~gI to dAdA agale janma meM kAma aaeNge| usameM kyA bigar3a jAegA! ataH ve vRttiyA~ uTha jAe~gI, vRttiyA~ dUsarI jagaha para bahuta nahIM jaaeNgii| na jAe~ to bahuta ho gyaa| praznakartA : prazasta rAga hone para dUsarI sabhI vRttiyA~ bilkula TUTa jAtI haiM? dAdAzrI : TUTa jAtI haiM isalie hama kahate haiM na ki prazasta rAga karanA bhAI aura sirpha vahI eka rAga bilkula khule taura para karanA bhAI! usameM harja nahIM hai| agara aise upakArI para prazasta rAga nahIM hogA to kahA~ para hogA? gautama svAmI ko bhagavAna para prazasta rAga kyoM thA, kyoMki bhagavAna mahAvIra kA upakAra thaa| z2abaradasta upakAra thaa| unheM bulAkara mokSamArga diyA thaa| gaNadhara pada diyaa| phira bhagavAna ne yaha rAga chur3avAne ke lie unheM bAhara bheja diyaa| vaha upakAra thaa| phira aMdara lagA ki yaha itanA bar3A rAga aMdara ghusa gayA hai| 'tU pramAda chor3a! chor3a!' phira bhagavAna ne camatkAra kiyA, bAhara bheja diyA aura phira unakA (mahAvIra bhagavAna kA) nirvANa ho gyaa| taba gautama svAmI ko turaMta hI aisA lagA ki "are ! unheM aMdara dhakkA lagA ki bhagavAna ne aisA kiyA!' unheM aisA lagA ki kyA bhagavAna aisA kArya kareM..." phira jaba lagA ki 'bhagavAna to aisI bhUla nahIM kara skte'| yaha to, mujhase bhUla ho rahI hai| jA~ca kI to patA calA ki 'ohoho! ve to vItarAga the aura yaha rAga to mujhe hI hai isalie bhagavAna mere isa rAga ko nikAlane ke lie kahakara gae haiN| phira unheM kevalajJAna ho gayA, kevalajJAna prakaTa ho gyaa| isI vajaha se rukA huA thaa| praznakartA : dAdA, hamArA yaha prazasta rAga bhI aMtima ghar3I meM calA jAegA na? Akhira meM calA jAegA na? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para chUTa jaaegaa| vahA~ para sImaMdhara svAmI ke darzana karate hI pUrA ukhar3a jaaegaa| yaha to aisA hai ki agara yahA~ para isase ucca darzana karane ko mila jAe~ to abhI bhI ukhar3a sakatA hai|

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[2.4] prazasta rAga 151 praznakartA : lekina sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa jAne ke lie to hameM isa rAga ko cipakAkara rakhanA par3egA na? dAdAzrI : vaha to cipakA hI rhegaa| ise ukhAr3ane jAoge to bhI nahIM ukhdd'egaa| praznakartA : bAda meM jaba vahA~ sImaMdhara svAmI ke pAsa jAe~ge taba bhale hI ukhar3a jaae| dAdAzrI : apane Apa ukhar3a jaaegaa| usase Apako koI lenAdenA nahIM hai| bAharI (rAga) ukhar3a jAnA caahie| praznakartA : yahA~ para cipakegA to phira bAharI ukhar3a hI jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : bAharI cipakA rahegA na to phira vApasa eka janma lene ke lie AnA pdd'egaa| usakI vajaha se hama cUka jAe~ge! bhagavAna ne bhI prazaMsA kI hai prazasta rAga kI praznakartA : ataH dAdA para jo rAga ho jAtA hai to vaha rAga to z2arUrI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to hogA hI na! vaha rAga to kAma kA hai| vaha rAga to nirAlaMba hone taka kAma kA hai| vaha avalaMbana hai, aMtima aura jaba yahA~ para yaha rAga hogA taba dUsarI jagaha para baMda ho jaaegaa| eka hI jagaha para raha sakatA hai iNsaan| yahA~ para hai to vahA~ para nahIM ho sakatA, aura vahA~ para hai to yahA~ para nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : dAdA, aisA hI hotA hai| aisA hI huA hai aba to| yahA~ para rAga ho gayA hai isalie bAkI kA sArA rAga khatma hI ho gayA hai| dAdAzrI : isalie bhagavAna ne bhI isa prazasta rAga kI prazaMsA kI hai kyoMki isase bAkI ke saba rAga khatma ho jAte haiN|

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152 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : dAdA, lekina phira bhI vyavahAra meM rahate haiM to aisA lagatA hai ki koI hameM khIMca rahA hai, khiMcanA par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : khiMcane kA koI artha nahIM hai| vaha nikAlI cIz2a hai| praznakartA : nahIM, lekina pahale rAga thA na vahA~ pr| dAdAzrI : khatma ho gyaa| isalie aba Apako lagatA hai ki gale par3a gayA hai| mAna dete haiM to bhI bhAra jaisA lagatA hai| praznakartA : haM... aisA hI lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : mAna dete haiM taba bhI acchA nahIM lagatA aba to| caMdUbhAI ko, 'caMdUbhAI sAhaba, hamAre yahA~ padhArie, padhArie' to bhI Apako aMdara acchA nahIM lgtaa| kahate haiM, 'are, vApasa yaha kyA dakhala? aura pahale jo mIThA lagatA thA, vahI aba acchA nahIM lgtaa'| vItarAga ke prati prasthAna praznakartA : rAga se kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : mUrchA A jAtI hai| mUrchA, mUrchita ! rAga kA phala mUrchA hai aura dveSa kA phala bhy| jaba ye donoM cale jAe~ge taba vItarAga ho jaaegaa| taba taka vItarAga nahIM ho sktaa| apane mahAtmA vItarAga hone kI taiyArI kara rahe haiN| koI pUche ki inameM se kucha ho cuke haiM ? to kaheMge, 'hA~ ho cuke haiN| vItadveSa ho cuke haiN'| aba vItarAga bananA hai| do thA, unameM se aba eka kama ho gyaa| to kahate haiM, 'vItadveSa bana jAne ke bAda rAga kahA~ rahA?' to kahate haiM 'jJAnI para rAga hotA hai| jJAnI para, mahAtmAoM para, to isa saMsAra para se rAga uTha gayA aura yahA~ ghusa gayA lekina yaha rAga prazasta rAga kahalAtA hai'| yaha prazasta rAga vItarAgatA kA kAraNa hai| sirpha yahI eka rAga aisA hai jo vItarAga banAtA hai| apane ina sabhI mahAtmAoM para Apako rAga hai yA nahIM hai?

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[2.4] prazasta rAga 153 praznakartA: hai / dAdAzrI : jo jJAnIpuruSa para hotA hai, mahAtmAoM para hotA hai, vaha rAga hitakArI hai / usa prazasta rAga kA phala kyA hai ? ' vItarAga' / isI kA phala AegA / yoM hI, bAkI kucha nahIM karanA hai, isI kA phala / hamane bIja boyA hai, makkI kA dAnA boyA, pAnI DAlA, vaha saba DAlA phira bhuTTA apane Apa lagatA hai yA usameM hameM banAnA par3atA hai ? jJAnI hI terA AtmA prazasta rAga arthAt sarva duHkhoM se mukta karavAne vAlA rAga / sarva duHkhoM kA, sAMsArika duHkhoM kA abhAva karavAne vAlA vaha rAga ! ApakA dveSa chUTa gayA hai lekina ApakA rAga nahIM chUTA hai| vaha rAga jo sabhI jagaha cipakA huA hai na, vaha vahA~ se mujha para A jAtA hai| vaha rAga duHkhadAI lagatA hai isalie kahatA hai, 'dAdA para jo rAga hai, vaha ?' vaha to prazasta rAga kahalAtA hai / jo rAga pratyakSa mokSa kA kAraNa hai ! agara jJAnIpuruSa para rAga ho jAe to acchA hai na! phira sArI jhaMjhaTa chUTa jAegI ! aura kRpAludeva ne vApasa isakA tAla biThA diyA ki 'satpuruSa hI terA AtmA hai'| arthAt yaha pAnI bhI vahIM para jAtA hai ! sabhI taraha se tAla mila jAte haiM ! jJAna milate hI dAdA para rAga praznakartA: dAdA, Apane kahA hai na ki gautama svAmI kA kevalajJAna prazasta rAga kI vajaha se hI ruka gayA thA! dAdAzrI : haaN| aura nahIM to kyA ? usa rAga kI vajaha se ruka jAe to harja nahIM hai| pA~ca janmoM taka usa rAga kI vajaha se ruka jAe to bhI harja nahIM hai| isa rAga jaisA aura koI rAga hai hI nahIM duniyA meN| phira saMsAra ke dUsare sAre bhUta nahIM ghusate na ! aura yaha rAga to bahuta hitakArI hai lekina vaha rAga (kisI ko) hotA hI nahIM hai na! isakA honA muzkila hai !! vaha to, yaha akrama vijJAna hai, isalie pahale ekadama se ThaMDaka ho

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jAtI hai isalie turaMta hI dAdA para rAga ho jAtA hai, nahIM to rAga hogA hI nhiiN| usako biThA-biThAkara cipakAe~ to bhI nahIM cipkegaa| 154 praznakartA: dAdA, Apake pAsa Ane ke bAda lagabhaga kaI logoM ko aisA anubhava hotA hai| aMdara zAMti ho jAtI hai isalie phira rAga ho jAtA hai| T dAdAzrI : zAMti hone para hamezA rAga ho hI jAtA hai / saMsAra meM bhI jo sArA rAga ho jAtA hai na, vaha zAMti kI vajaha se hI hotA hai lekina vaha zAMti Asakti vAlI zAMti hai / vaha kucha samaya taka rahane ke bAda phira calI jAtI hai / taba phira se jhagar3atA hai / jabaki yaha jo rAga hai usameM anya kucha bhI nahIM hai na! yaha to Azcarya hai isa kAla kA / yadi samajha jAe to kAma nikAla legA aura agara Ar3A cale to ulTA bhI ho sakatA hai| kisI bhI kAla meM prazasta rAga huA hI nahIM na! yadi huA hotA to Aja yaha dazA hI nahIM hotI na ! prazasta rAga hI isa kAla meM mokSa yaha jo prazasta rAga hai, vaha vItadveSa kahalAtA hai lekina vItarAga nahIM khlaataa| vItarAga to, jaba yaha prazasta rAga bhI khatma ho jAegA usake bAda meM aaegaa| prazasta rAga to isa kAla meM bahuta hitakArI hai / yaha prazasta rAga rahe na to samajhanA ki apanA mokSa ho gayA kyoMki yaha sabhI rAgoM ko tor3a detA hai / bAhara ke sabhI mauja-maz2e, sabhI rAgoM ko tor3a detA hai yaha raag| ataH yaha jo prazasta rAga utpanna huA hai, ise isa kAla meM mokSa kahanA cAhie / praznakartA : prazasta rAga kA kArya kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : prazasta rAga dUsarI jagahoM se, vinAzI cIz2oM para se rAga uThA detA hai aura jo avinAzI tattva prakaTa huA hai usa para arthAt jJAnIpuruSa para rAga hone se usakA jaldI hala A jAtA hai| prazasta rAga hone ke bAda, yaha rAga vApasa ukhar3a jAtA hai| yaha rAga hone ke bAda vApasa ukhAr3a denA hai / cUlhA jalAkara, khAnA banAne ke bAda bujhA denA hai| khAnA bana jAne ke bAda bujhAnA nahIM par3atA ?

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[2.4] prazasta rAga 155 praznakartA : hA~, bujhAnA par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : to kaheMge 'agara bujhAnA thA to jalAyA kyoM?' prazasta rAga baiThAyA hai na, to use utAranA pdd'aa| ApakA baiThA nahIM hai| Apako baiThAnA hai| baiTha jAe to phira bAhara kA rAga baMda ho jAegA, khatma ho jAegA phira yaha rAga hone ke bAda vApasa isameM se nikAlanA hai, khIMca lenA hai| yaha hala lA degaa| paramArtha rAga se milate haiM jJAnI praznakartA : Apane jo kahA hai na, maiMne pahale prazna pUchA thA ki 'agale janma meM bhI jJAnI mileMge?' Apane kahA thA 'z2arUra mileNge'| lekina dAdA to aisA kahate haiM ki jJAnI to dasa lAkha sAloM meM eka bAra Ate haiN| to phira agale janma meM kahA~ se mileMge jJAnI? dAdAzrI : jisa-jisane hisAba bA~dha liyA hai unheM to mileMge hI na! jinhoMne unake sAtha hisAba bA~dha liyA hai ve| jahA~ rAga kiyA vaha chor3egA kyA? maiM manA karU~ phira bhI chUTegA nahIM aura Apa manA karoge to bhI nahIM chuuttegaa| isalie maiM kahatA hU~ na, isake lie parezAna mata honaa| ghabarAnA nhiiN| praznakartA : dAdA ! to kyA hama loga pahale mile hoMge yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : hA~, paramArthika rAga aura sAMsArika rAga, ina donoM ke saMbaMdha kI vajaha se mile haiN| sAMsArika rAga to rahatA hI hai, lekina paramArtha ke lie kiyA gayA rAga bhI rAga hI kahalAtA hai aura usa rAga ke AdhAra para paramArtha pUrNa hotA hai| rAga nahIM hogA to? agara vItarAga ho cuke ho to mere sAtha rahakara ApakA koI kAma pUrA nahIM hogaa| ataH aMta meM yaha paramArtha rAga kahalAtA hai| yaha prajJA kA rAga hai| kabhI bhI baMdhana nahIM Ane detA aura mukti dilavAtA hai|

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[2.5] vItarAgatA rAga meM vItarAga jJAniyoM kA samabhAva jagat ne dekhA hI nahIM hai isa dUSamakAla meM, pA~caveM Are meN| samabhAva aura rAga meM viitraag| yaha to, inheM to... vItarAgatA meM viitraag| are bhAI, aisA nahIM ho sakatA, agara rAga meM vItarAgatA rahe to vaha vAstavika vItarAgatA hai| lekina Apa to rAga ke binA vItarAgatA karane lge| are bhAI, bIja to hai nhiiN| phira AdhAra kisakA? kisI AdhAra kI jarUrata par3egI yA nahIM par3egI? to kahate haiM, 'sabhI rAga chor3a do' lekina phira vItarAgatA kisa taraha lAoge? rAga to agara jJAnI para A jAe to, prazasta rAga, vahI mokSa meM le jaaegaa| jo ApakA dIvAnA rAga thA, aprazasta rAga thA, jJAnI se milane kI vajaha se vaha prazasta ho gyaa| vahI mokSa meM le jaaegaa| mokSa meM jAne ke lie prazasta rAga kI z2arUrata hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : z2arUrata hai, z2arUrata hai| dAdAzrI : vahI mukhya z2arUrata hai isIlie to ina dAdA para to sabhI ko z2abaradasta rAga hai| hA~, bhale hI rahe vaha rAga! usameM harja nahIM hai| vaha mokSa meM le jaaegaa| praznakartA : dAdA use, z2abaradasta kI upamA dI jA sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : kahA jA sakatA hai, kahA jA sakatA hai| isa kAla meM aisA kahanA par3atA hai|

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 157 prazasta rAga kI vajaha se nahIM hai vItarAga isIlie to jJAnI vItarAga kahalAte haiM / jahA~ bilkula bhI paudgalika rAga nahIM hai, aise vItarAga / paudgalika rAga-dveSa nahIM rahe haiM / Apa bhI vItarAga kahalAoge lekina abhI ApameM prazasta rAga hai / praznakartA : dAdA bhagavAna se prArthanA kIjie ki isa janma meM jJAnIpuruSa vItarAga na ho jaaeN| ve vItarAga ho jAe~ge to kisI ke hisse meM nahIM aaeNge| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai / honA saMbhava hI nahIM hai ! kAla bhI aisA hai| vItarAga ho sakeM, aisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : isa kAla meM huA hI nahIM jA sakatA ? dAdAzrI : huA hI nahIM jA sktaa| usake lie Apako siphAriza nahIM karanI pdd'egii| praznakartA : to phira hameM ciMtA karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : nahIM, ciMtA karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / isa kAla kI hada hI aisI hai ki saMpUrNa vItarAga nahIM ho sakate / ho hI nahIM sakate, saMpUrNa vItarAga / samatva kI samAlocanA praznakartA : samatva kA artha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA ! gAliyA~ dene vAle para dveSa nahIM aura mAna dene vAle para rAga nahIM hotA / koI mAna de to acchA lagatA hai / usake lie hama chUTa dete haiM / use lAika - DisalAika kahate haiM / aura jo saMpUrNa vItarAgatA hai, vaha alaga pada hai| aba isameM to jaba mAna dete haiM to acchA lagatA hai, rAga nahIM hotA / mAna dene vAlA jo hotA hai na, vaha acchA lagatA hai| usI ko rAga kahA jAtA hai / isameM to mAna milane kI avasthA acchI lagatI hai|

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158 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : pArzvanAtha bhagavAna kI vItarAgatA kI bAta hai na ki dharaNendra deva ne unakA rakSaNa kiyA aura kamaTha ne una para upasarga kie, to bhI bhagavAna kI samadRSTi arthAt donoM para eka sarIkhA bhaav| isa para dveSa nahIM aura isa para rAga nhiiN| dAdAzrI : kamaTha para jinheM bilkula dveSa nahIM aura dharaNendra para jinheM rAga nahIM, upakArI ke prati rAga nahIM aura jo bhayaMkara apakArI hai, usa para kiMcitmAtra bhI dveSa nhiiN| lekina vItarAgoM ke pAsa usakA vivaraNa hotA hai ki yaha isake puNya karmoM kA udaya hai ataH yaha puNya karmoM kA udaya bhoga rahA hai| yaha pApa karma kA udaya hai| yaha pApa karma kA udaya bhugata rahA hai| vItarAga khuda vItarAgatA meM rahate haiM, jAnate to sabhI kucha haiN| ve aise nahIM haiM ki unake AsapAsa jo ho rahA hai, use jAnate na hoN| udAsInatA se zuruAta jo badabU mAratA hai usa para dveSa hotA hai aura jahA~ sugaMdhi AtI hai usa para rAga hotA hai| ye jo do dakhala huI haiM na, usI se saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| aura usameM inameM se kucha hai hI nhiiN| yaha sArI sirpha saMsAra vyavasthA hai| yaha pUrI samAja vyavasthA hai| acchA aura burA, aisA aura vaisA! hara eka dekhane kI cIz2a ko, jJeya ko dekhate haiM ve| dekhate haiM lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| usakA kAraNa yaha hai ki jJeya ko jJeya ke rUpa meM hI dekhate haiN| acchA aura burA vahA~ para hai hI nhiiN| acchA-burA vagairaha saba bhrAMti hai| hA~, loga gAya kA gobara hAtha meM lete haiM para iMsAna kA nahIM lete| yaha bhI gobara hI hai na! isakA kyA kAraNa hai? to vaha yaha hai ki, use mana meM lagatA hai ki, 'ohoho!' arthAt usane khuda ne hI ina saba kI kImata lagAI hai| khuda ne hI vailyuezana kI hai yh| kudarata ke ghara meM

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[2.5] vItarAgatA aisA kucha hai hI nahIM / sugaMdha ho yA durgaMdha ho, kudarata ke ghara donoM eka sarIkhe haiN| vahA~ para eka sarIkhe hI haiM aura yahA~ para eka sarIkhe nahIM haiM / vahA~ para eka samAna kisa prakAra se haiM ? to kahate haiM, sabakucha jJeya ke rUpa meM hai| 159 praznakartA : to agara jJAtA - dRSTA ho jAe~ to jJeyoM ke prati AsAnI se udAsInatA rahegI ? dAdAzrI : hA~! vaha to svabhAva se udAsInatA hii| usakA anya koI guNa hai hI nahIM! udAsIna hI hai na! ahaMkAra sahita vItarAgatA rahe to vaha hai udAsInatA ! use vItarAgatA nahIM kahate kyoMki abhI taka ahaMkAra kA paoNiz2ana hai aura yaha binA paoNiz2ana kA hai isalie ise vItarAgatA kahate haiM I aba kramika mArga meM ise udAsInatA kahate haiN| aMtima avatAra meM vItarAga / jabaki yahA~ para to jJAna milate hI vItarAga / sirpha samajhanA hI hai, karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai / haiM na? dAdA dekheM vizAlatA se aura anubhava kareM aizvarya praznakartA : kaI bAra aisA hotA hai ki sabhI indriyA~ vItarAga hI dAdAzrI : matalaba ? praznakartA : vItarAga nahIM, lekina unheM rAga-dveSa nahIM hote koI / hamane A~khoM se kisI cIz2a ko dekhA ho to A~khoM kA guNa to una cIz2oM ko dikhAne kA hI hai na ? dAdAzrI : dikhAtI haiM, basa / hama yahA~ para eka dUrabIna meM se dekheM, to vaha dUrabIna becArI kyA kare ? usa dUrabIna meM se dekhane vAle ko rAga hai isIlie usa tarapha rAga hai / arthAt agara ApameM ajJAna hai to sabhI kucha ulTA dikhAI degA / indriya becArI kyA kare ? mujhe loga kahate haiM

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160 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ki, 'dAdA Apako duniyA kaisI dikhAI detI hai ?', maiMne kahA, 'mujhe sUraja girA huA dikhAI detA hai'| are pAgala hai kyA? koI bhAna hai ? mujhe kyA tujhase kucha alaga taraha kA dikhAI detA hogA? tujhe jo dikhAI detA hai usameM tujhe rAga-dveSa hai aura mujhe usameM rAga-dveSa nahIM hai| basa, itanA hI pharka hai| tujhe jo dikhAI detA hai, vaisA hI mujhe dikhAI detA hai| aura dUsarA, jo tujhe nahIM dikhAI detA, vaisA saba mujhe anaMta dikhAI detA hai| vaha mere jJAna kI vizAlatA hai aura aizvaryapanA hai| lekina tujhe tere aizvarya ke anusAra dikhAI detA hai| terI sImA ke anusAra, kampAunDa ke anusaar| aizvaryapanA arthAt kmpaaundd| pUrA jagat apanA kampAunDa bana jAe to vaha aizvaryapanA hai, pUrNa! vItarAgatA kaba aura kisa prakAra se prakaTa hotI hai? praznakartA : hama mahAtmAoM meM saMpUrNa vItarAgatA kaba prakaTa hogI? dAdAzrI : eka se zurU karake 100 taka likhanA zurU kareM to kyA ekadama se 100 A jAegA? praznakartA : nahIM aaegaa| dAdAzrI : arthAt 20 likhane ke bAda phira 21, 22, 23, 24... hameM yaha dekhanA hai ki Age likhA jA rahA hai yA nhiiN| yAnI vaha to pUrNa ho jaaegaa| vahI pUrNa kara rahA hai| hameM pUrNa karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| vaha spIDa hI ise pUrNa kregii| ___ saba se pahale yaha dekhanA hai ki rAga-dveSa kaise kama hoN| aba palTI khAI hai ulTepane se sIdhepane meM, ataH aba vItarAgatA kaise bar3he, pUrNa ho, usa tarapha dRSTi gii| pahale rAga-dveSa kama karane kI dRSTi thii| pUrA jagat rAga-dveSa kama karane ke lie hI jhaMjhaTa karatA hai na! pUre dina kitanA duHkha, kitanI ciMtA, kitanI varIz2a! bhayaMkara trividha taap| vItarAgatA kaisI hai ApameM? thor3I, z2arA sI viitraagtaa| eka aMza

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 161 bhI vItarAgatA ho to use yaha kahA jAegA ki rAga-dveSa kI sarvAMzatA gaI! eka aMza bhI vItarAgatA, aMdara rAga-dveSa ke rasa ko sarvAMzarUpa se khatma kara detI hai| usameM rAga-dveSa dikhAI z2arUra dete haiM, lekina aMdara rasa (ruci) nahIM rhtaa| usa vItarAgatA ko to dekho| praznakartA : Apa jaisI vItarAgatA mahAtmAoM meM kaba aura kaise utaregI? dAdAzrI : jaise-jaise mere Taca meM raheMge vaise-vaise| ise raTakara nahIM sIkhanA hai, dekhakara sIkhanA hai| loga A~khoM ke sAmane dekhate haiN| loga, jIvamAtra A~khoM meM kyoM dekhate haiM? to kahate haiM, 'A~khoM meM sabakucha par3hA jA sakatA hai| bhAva! kyA bhAva hai, vaha sArA hI par3hA jA sakatA hai| ataH loga samajha jAte haiM ki, 'isa bhAI ko ghara meM mata ghusane denaa| isakI A~khoM ke bhAva acche nahIM haiN'| isI prakAra jJAnI kI A~khoM meM vItarAgatA dikhAI detI hai, kisI bhI prakAra kA rAga yA dveSa kucha bhI nahIM dikhAI detaa| unakI A~khoM meM sA~pa nahIM loTate kisI prakAra ke| lakSmI kI bhIkha nahIM hotI, aisA kucha bhI nahIM hotA, sirpha vItarAgatA hotI hai| dekhate-dekhate vaha apane meM bhI A jAtI hai| aura kucha nahIM hai ismeN|| yaha to maiM vyApAra kI bAta kara rahA hU~ ki eka bAra maiMne eka vyakti se kahA ki, 'isameM karane kA hai kyA? isa na ke barAbara cIz2a meM tUne itanA TAima bigAr3a diyaa'| to kahane lagA, lekina mujhe kisI ne karake nahIM btaayaa| nahIM to maiM jaldI se kara letaa'| taba eka dina maiMne karake batA diyA, to dUsare dina usane vaha karake batA diyaa| varnA do mahInoM se nahIM ho rahA thaa| to usa kAma kI jo kalA thI, vaha dikhA dii| vaha bhI kalA sIkha gayA aura vaha bhI karane lgaa| arthAt isameM yoM thiareTikala se kucha nahIM bdlegaa| praikTikalI kI z2arUrata hai| thiareTikala to sirpha jAnane ke lie hI hai| praikTikalI kA matalaba kyA hai ? praikTikala meM to jJAnIpuruSa ko dekhane se, unake Taca

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) meM Ane se sabakucha prApta ho jAtA hai| AsAnI se prApta ho jAtA hai| vaha to Apako mere udaya kA avasara dekhane ko nahIM milA hai| nahIM to agara mujhe koI DA~Tane vAlA mila jAe aura Apako vaha dekhane ko mile, taba asala maz2A AegA ! 162 vItarAga dRSTi se vItarAgatA praznakartA : 'sabakucha vItarAga dikhAI de to vaha vItarAga ho jAegA', to agara use sabakucha vItarAga nahIM dikhAI detA to isakA matalaba vaha khuda abhI rAgI - dveSI hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / vaha rAgI - dveSI nahIM hai lekina vItarAga bananA hai / lekina abhI taka usa sthiti meM AyA nahIM hai, vaha dRSTi AI nahIM hai pUrI taraha se | pUrI dRSTi nahIM khulI hai / praznakartA : to usakI kauna sI sthiti kahalAegI ? dAdAzrI : vaha kucha samaya bAda ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : to yaha bAta unhIM logoM ke lie hai na, jinake pAsa yaha jJAna hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| dUsaroM ke lie nahIM / praznakartA : dUsaroM kA kaisA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : dUsaroM kA to yaha cala hI rahA hai ! rAga-dveSa ke alAvA aura kucha ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : unake mizracetana ko bhI vItarAga kahA gayA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha khuda pUrA hI vItarAga hai / vItarAga hai, aisA yadi samajha meM A jAe to vaha saMpUrNa vItarAga ho jAegA, yahA~ isa duniyA meN| praznakartA : to kyA aisA hai ki hameM use vItarAga samajhanA hai ?

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 163 dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA yadi samajha meM A jAe to vaha saMpUrNa vItarAga bana jaaegaa| praznakartA : aisA kisa dRSTi se samajha meM AegA? dAdAzrI : yaha bAta vaisI hI hai lekina vaha bAta samajha meM AnI caahie| yadi khuda saMpUrNa vItarAga ho jAegA to jagat vItarAga dikhAI degaa| isa prakAra dRSTi parivartana ho jAe to kAma hI ho jAegA na! ___500 gAyeM jA rahI hoM to hameM ve saba eka jaisI hI lagatI haiM na! vItarAga nahIM rahate kyA? eka sarIkhI hI lagatI haiM na? praznakartA : hA~, eka sarIkhI hI lagatI hai| dAdAzrI : yaha sArA jhaMjhaTa to hameM sirpha manuSyoM ke prati hI hai na! aura usameM bhI Apa amarIkA vagairaha dUsarI sabhI jagahoM para vItarAga hI ho n| yaha sArI jhaMjhaTa ApakI phAiloM taka hI hai n| kahA~-kahA~ jhaMjhaTa hai? praznakartA : phAiloM ke lie hii| dAdAzrI : aura phAileM to Apako hisAba cukAne ke lie hI milI haiM aura ve vItarAga hI haiN| praznakartA : Apane jo kahA ki, 'pUrA jagat pUrNata: nirdoSa hai', vaha... dAdAzrI : 'nirdoSa hai', vaha to vItarAga rAstA hai lekina vItarAgatA nahIM kheNge| vItarAga kaheMge to vaha vItarAgoM kI virAdhanA khlaaegii| vItarAga kA artha to bhagavAna hai| ataH nirdoSa kahate haiN| praznakartA : Apane abhI jo kahA na ki isameM rikaoNrDa bolatI hai, 'tuma cora ho, cora ho' to dAdA, aisA vicAra AtA hai ki vAstava meM maiM kyA hU~? aisA jAnane kI icchA hotI hai aura aMdara utarakara aura DhU~Dha nikAlanA hai ki cora hai yA nahIM, usakA pRthakkaraNa karane kI icchA hotI hai|

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| cora hogA to bhI harja nahIM hai yA cora nahIM hai to bhI harja nahIM hai / 164 praznakartA : to phira yaha vAkya aisA huA na ki jagat vItarAga dikhAI de to niber3A A jAegA ? dAdAzrI : jagat vItarAga hai aisA nahIM kaha sakate / jagat nirdoSa hai, aisA kaha sakate haiM / nirdoSa dikhAI dene lagatA hai yaha jgt| praznakartA : yaha saba jo dikhAI detA hai, ve saba mikenikala prakriyAe~ haiM / dAdAzrI : vaha samajhane lagatA hai ki isI ko vItarAga kahate haiM na! aisA nahIM kahA hai ki 'bhAI ye TeparikaoNrDara bola rahA hai na!' sArI kriyAe~ usI jaisI haiM / 'jagat nirdoSa hai ! bhugate usI kI bhUla hai !' yaha saba kyA sUcita karatA hai ? jagat nirdoSa dikhAI de to aisA hI kahA jAegA ki use vItarAga dikhAI diyaa| vItarAga ke sivA anya koI nirdoSa ho hI nahIM sktaa| Apako samajha meM AyA kyA yaha vAkya ? praznakartA : haaN| ThIka se samajha meM A rahA hai I 'maiM' aura 'merA' jAne para vItarAga dAdAzrI : isa mizracetana meM jo maiM pana hai, merApana hai use agara nikAla diyA to yaha mizracetana vItarAgI ho jAegA / maiM aura merApana nikAla diyA to vItarAgI bana jaaegaa| praznakartA : vaha to tabhI ho sakatA hai na, jaba yaha jJAna ho ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina yoM bhI vItarAgI hI hai lekina maiM aura merepana kI vajaha se hI rAga-dveSa haiM / yadi maiM aura merApana kA upayoga nahIM kare, taba agara yaha jJAna nahIM hogA phira bhI vItarAga hI hai /

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 165 praznakartA : ajJAnatA hai isalie ekAkAra hI rahatA hai na, maiM panamerApana... dAdAzrI : hA~, phira bhI kahate haiM ki upayoga na kare to kucha bhI nahIM hai| upayoga kareMge to goNn| mizracetana to aisA hI hai, vItarAga hI hai! praznakartA : arthAt sAmane vAle ke lie vItarAga hai| khuda ke lie yaha kucha alaga hai ? ataH sAmane vAlA vyakti khuda ke lie vItarAga hI rahatA hai, aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ? / dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha apanI bhI, pUrA vItarAga hI hai| dakhalaMdAjI sirpha ahaMkAra aura mamatA donoM kI hI hai| agara ye donoM nahIM hoMge to kucha hai hI nhiiN| rAga-dveSa nahIM hoMge to sahaja rahegA! prakRti sahaja rUpa se calatI rahegI, bs| praznakartA : isameM DrAmeTika ahaMkAra aura mamatA bhI haiM ? dAdAzrI : usameM harja nahIM hai| DrAmeTika ahaMkAra bhI vItarAga kahalAtA hai| use nATaka kI piMgalA banane meM rAga bhI nahIM hai aura dveSa bhI nahIM hai| DisAiDeDa hai isalie ho rahA hai| vaha rAga-dveSa nahIM hai| isIlie jagat nirdoSa mAnA jAtA hai n| mizracetana nirdoSa kyoM kahalAtA hai? praznakartA : arthAt mizracetana meM jo rAga-dveSa haiM, ve agale janma kA kAraNa haiM na? to isa janma meM to vItarAga hI mAnA jA sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha to vItarAga hI hai isIlie to pUre jagat ko nirdoSa dekha sakatA hai| praznakartA : khuda ke ahaMkAra aura mamatA kI dakhala kI vajaha se vaha rAgI-dveSI ho jAe to? dAdAzrI : vaha agara aisA ho jAtA hai to use nukasAna hai, kisI

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166 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) aura ko kyA nukasAna? kisI aura ko kyA lenA-denA? jise hotA hai use nukasAna hai, usake lie agale janma kA kAraNa hai| praznakartA : aura usake bAvajUda bhI agara yaha mazInarI jo pravartanA karatI hai, use vItarAga mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : vItarAga hI hai| ye A~kheM bhI vItarAga haiM, kAna bhI vItarAga haiN| koI yadi gAliyA~ de to kAna vicalita nahIM hote, aMdara vAlA vicalita hotA hai| praznakartA : aMdara vAlA matalaba kauna? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra aura mmtaa| praznakartA : vicalatA vItarAgatA meM nahIM AtI? aisA hai ki usa para asara ho gayA? dAdAzrI : vicalita calegI lekina vaha sahaja honI caahie| vicalita bhI calegI, mArA-mArI bhI calatI rahe aura vItarAga rhe| mArA-mArI bhI kara sakatA hai, rAga-dveSa rhit| yadi yaha jJAna hai to raha sakatA hai| jalebI vItarAga hai, paoNiz2ana bhI vItarAga hai, amRta bhI vItarAga hai| sabhI cIjeM vItarAga haiN| praznakartA : ye jo jIvita dikhAI dete haiM, ve saba? dAdAzrI : ve saba bhI vItarAga haiN| itanA yadi samajha jAe to kAma ho jaaegaa| yaha samajhakara isa vyavahAra meM rahane vAle khuda to vItarAga ho ge| ina sabhI ko vItarAga dekhatA hai na! vItarAga kA matalaba kyA hai? hama kyA kahate haiM ? vItarAga nahIM kahate, vItarAga kahanA gunAha hai kyoMki asala vItarAga ke lie isa vItarAga kI vailyU nahIM hai| ataH vItarAga nahIM khte| hama kyA kahate haiM ki jIvamAtra, tamAma jIva nirdoSa hI haiN| ve doSita dikhAI dete haiM, vahI bhrAMti hai| ataH use vItarAga nahIM

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 167 kaha skte| usase vItarAgoM kI Divelyuezana ho jaaegii| vItarAga nahIM kaha skte| varnA yadi aisA samajha jAe~ ki vItarAga haiM, to ho cukaa| bAta hI khatma! yaha TeparikaoNrDa agara gAliyA~ de to? rikaoNrDa gAliyA~ de ki, 'caMdU tU cora hai, caMdU tU cora hai, caMdU tU cora hai' to kyA karegA? praznakartA : rikaoNrDa hai isalie phira ha~sanA aaegaa| dAdAzrI : yaha bhI rikaoNrDa hI hai lekina tU mAna baiThA hai ki isane kahA aura kahane vAlA bhI mAna baiThA hai ki maiMne khaa| aisA hai na, ina saba bAtoM kA bahuta khulAsA karane jaisA nahIM hai| atizaya khulAsA kareMge to phira vairAgya A jaaegaa| kyA A jAegA? praznakartA : vairAgya lAne meM bAkI kyA rakhA hai ? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rakhA lekina phira bhI thor3A-bahuta bacA ho to rahane denA hai na! Apako abhI rAste calate agara koI kahe ki, 'Apa nAlAyaka ho, cora ho, badamAza ho', isa taraha se gAliyA~ de aura Apako vItarAgatA rahe to jAnanA ki isa bAre meM usa hada taka Apa bhagavAna ho ge| jisajisa bAre meM Apa jIta gae, usa-usa bAre meM Apa bhagavAna bana ge| aura yadi Apane jagat ko jIta liyA to phira pUrNa bhagavAna bana ge| phira kisI se bhI matabheda nahIM hogaa| ___ mukta chor3a de tere zarIra ko sabhI bAtacIta vagairaha hoM lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hone caahie| deha ko mukta chor3a do jaise hama laTU ko ghumAte haiM aura phira vaha apane Apa hI ghUmatA rahatA hai, khulA chor3a do| taba phira rAga-dveSa nahIM hoMge na! 'maiM' aura 'merA' calA jAegA to rAga-dveSa cale jaaeNge| 'maiM' aura 'merA' ke jAte hI vItadveSI ho jaaegaa| phira vaha jaba samabhAva se phAiloM kA nikAla karegA na, taba vaha vItarAga ho jaaegaa|

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168 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : deha ko mukta chor3a dene kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : isa laTU ko phaiMkane ke bAda vaha jaise bhI ghUme vaha sahI hai| aba phira se usa para DorI lapeTane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| phira laTU vApasa aise ghuumegaa| phira uchalakara kUdegA, phira vApasa eka jagaha para baiTha jAegA, phira aise-aise hogaa| taba hama samajha jAe~ge ki aspatAla kI tarapha claa| aspatAla se vApasa Ane para sIdhA ho jAtA hai| ghAta gaI, aisA patA calatA hai na? praznakartA : phira z2arA ulTA bhI calatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, ulTA bhI calatA hai| use kucha kaha nahIM skte| laTU hai! praznakartA : kisI bhI taraha rAga-dveSa rahita honA, vahI vItarAga mArga hai| dAdAzrI : kiMcitmAtra rAga nahIM aura kiMcitmAtra dveSa bhI nhiiN| ekadama se nahIM ho lekina yadi jJAna milane ke bAda aisI bhAvanA karane se, yoM karate-karate dhIre-dhIre aisA ho sakegA, varnA nahIM ho skegaa| lAkha janmoM meM bhI nahIM ho skegaa| yaha pudgala kyA kahatA hai ki 'tU zuddhAtmA bana gayA hai to aisA mata mAnanA ki tU mukta ho gyaa| tUne mujhe bigAr3A thA isalie aba tU hameM zuddha kara to tU bhI mukta aura hama bhI mukt'| taba pUche, 'kaise mukta karU~?' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'hama jo kucha bhI kareM, use tU dekha aura koI dakhala mata krnaa| rAga-dveSa rahita dekhatA rh'| praznakartA : rAga-dveSa rahita dekhate rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : dekhatA raha, bs| to hama mukta! rAga-dveSa se hama maile ho cuke haiM, tere rAga-dveSa kI vajaha se! terI vItarAgatA se hama mukta ho jaaeNge| paramANu zuddha ho jaaeNge|

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 169 samyak darzana aura AtmasAkSAtkAra praznakartA : samyak darzana aura AtmasAkSAtkAra donoM eka hI cIz2a haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~ eka hii| inameM bilkula bhI pharka nahIM hai| samyak darzana kA matalaba sAkSAtkAra hI hai| jo bhautika ko dekha rahe the, unhoMne isa avinAzI ko dekhaa| abhI taka bhautika aura vinAzI ko dekha rahe the, usI para prema thaa| isa para prema utpanna huA to avinAzI ko dekhaa| avinAzI ko dekhA to vItarAga ho gyaa| praznakartA : yAnI ki samyak darzana aura vItarAga donoM ke bIca meM pharka hai? dAdAzrI : samyak darzana vItarAgatA kI zuruAta hai, biginiMga hai| aura phira jitanI-jitanI vItarAgatA utpanna hotI hai, utanI hI vaha bar3hatI jAtI hai aura saMpUrNa vItarAgatA aMtima pada hai| saMpUrNa vItarAgatA ko kevalajJAna kahA jAtA hai| kyA pratiSThita AtmA vItarAga bana sakatA hai? praznakartA : to jo jIva kevalajJAna prApta karatA hai, usakA vartana, vicAra aura vANI kaise hote haiM ? / dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa rahita hote haiN| vaha gAliyA~ de taba bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| vaha dhaula lagAe to bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| jabaki ajJAnI agara dhaula nahIM lagAe to bhI use rAga-dveSa rahate haiN| ataH unakA vartana rAga-dveSa rahita hotA hai ! bhaya rahita ! nirbhayatA hotI hai! praznakartA : pratiSThita AtmA bhI vItarAga bana sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha pAvara AtmA hai| vItarAgatA ke guNa Ate haiN| vAstava meM vaha vItarAga hai nhiiN| vItarAgatA kI pAvara A jAtI hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna meM thI hI nA!

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170 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) spaSTa paribhASAe~ vItarAgatA kI praznakartA : bhagavAna mahAvIra kI vItarAgatA anya vItarAgoM kI vItarAgatA se kisa prakAra se bhinna hai ? dAdAzrI : kisI bhI prakAra se bhinna nahIM hai, vItarAgatA meM koI aMtara nahIM hai| vItarAgatA rakhane vAle meM aMtara hai| praznakartA : vItarAgatA manodazA hai yA AMtarika sthiti? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA manodazA bhI nahIM hai aura AMtarika sthiti bhI nahIM hai, vaha jJAna dazA hai| usakI khuda kI jJAna dazA hai yh| yaha jJAna kA pariNAma hai| praznakartA : vItarAgatA AtmapuruSArtha dvArA acIva (siddha) kI huI sthiti hai yA kudaratI racanA kA aMza hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmapuruSArtha dvArA prApta kI gaI sthiti hai| kudaratI racanA kA aMza nahIM hai| kudaratI racanA se to nIMbU ugate haiM, amarUda ugate haiM, anAra ugate haiM, vItarAga nahIM bnte| kisI jagaha para vItarAgatA kA per3a nahIM hai ki usakA phala hara bAra eka jaisA hI aaegaa| praznakartA : yAnI kudaratI racanA meM aisA koI saMyoga khar3A ho aura hama vItarAga ho jAe~ge yA phira puruSArtha se hI huA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kudaratI racanA kA isase koI lenA-denA hai hI nhiiN| puruSArtha ke binA vItarAgatA nahIM A sakatI kyoMki prakRti aura puruSa donoM ko alaga kara diyA hai| isake bAda Apa jitanA ina AjJAoM meM rahane kA puruSArtha karoge utanI hI vItarAgatA utpanna hogii| prakRti aura AtmA ke alaga hue binA to AtmapuruSArtha ho hI nahIM sktaa| dUsarA, isa saMsAra ke logoM kA jo puruSArtha hai, vaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai| praznakartA : vItarAgoM ke vijJAna kI prApti meM saMkalpa kA kucha yogadAna hai?

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 171 dAdAzrI : zuruAta to, saMkalpa kI kucha prApti ho tabhI vItarAga raha paaegaa| tabhI usa tarapha jAegA na! isalie saba se pahale to saMkalpa kI z2arUrata hai na! phira usa dazA meM pahu~cane ke bAda saMkalpa chUTa jaaegaa| yahA~ se sTezana jAnA ho to yahIM se kyA gAr3I meM baiThA jA sakatA hai? vahA~ ke lie rikSA karanA pdd'egaa| rikSA kA yogadAna hai na? yahA~ se muMbaI jAne meM? to kahate haiM, 'hA~, lekina kahA~ taka?' sTezana taka, usake bAda nhiiN| usI prakAra se saMkalpa kA bhI yogadAna hai! kisa AdhAra para ve bane vItarAga? praznakartA : jaba rAmacaMdra jI aura bhagavAna mahAvIra the, usa samaya ve saMpUrNa vItarAga ho cuke the? jJAna ke AdhAra para yA pahale kI gaI kinhIM kriyAoM ke AdhAra para? dAdAzrI : jJAna ke AdhAra pr| praznakartA : donoM? aura kyA unake pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) bhI usI janma meM pUrNa vItarAga ho cuke the? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : rAmacaMdra jI aura mahAvIra bhgvaan| dAdAzrI : rAmacaMdra jI usI janma meM mokSa meM gae the| praznakartA : to kyA vAstava meM unake pudgala ke sabhI rAga-dveSa cale gae the? dAdAzrI : sabhI cale gae the| praznakartA : ddraamettik| sirpha unhoMne sArA DrAmA kiyaa| rAmAyaNa kA jo pUrA DrAmA huA, kyA vaha pUrva karma kI vajaha se thA? dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAnI vaziSTha muni mile the| praznakartA : unase jJAna liyA thA?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : usI janma meM mokSa meM gae kyoMki ve taiyAra jIva the ! sirpha jJAnI ke sparza kI z2arUrata thI, nimitta kI z2arUrata thI / vItarAgatva prApti kI rAha I praznakartA : vItarAga dazA meM rahane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie ? dAdAzrI : kisI ke prati rAga-dveSa, krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha nahIM karanA, vahI vItarAgatA hai / vaisA kiyA to vItarAga dazA cUka ge| agara vaisA ho gayA to jAnanA ki yaha cUka ge| phira se vApasa sAdha, agara cUka gae to phira se sAdha lenA / aise karate-karate sthira ho jAe~ge / jinheM aisA karanA hai vaha to lAegA hI na, niber3A to lAegA na! choTe bacce bhI khar3e hote haiM aura vApasa gira jAte haiM / dhakkA gAr3I ko vApasa dhakelatA hai| vApasa gira jAtA hai phira se khar3A hokara vApasa gAr3I ko dhakelatA hai / aise karate-karate calane laga jAtA hai na! taba kyA rAga-dveSa hote haiM ? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ? nahIM na ! to phira vaha vItarAgatA hI hai na / aba dUsarA kucha DhU~Dhane ko nahIM rahA / vahI vItarAgatA hai / vItarAgatA aura kucha nahIM hai| yoM to iMsAna kahatA hai, 'nahIM-nahIM mujhe koI rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM ' / bar3e Ae rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM vAle ! dekho to sahI ! jaba isa taraha spaSTa karate haiM, 'krodha-mAna- mAyA - lobha', taba kahate haiM, 've to haiN'| to bhAI, tU samajhatA hI nahIM hai na rAga- - dveSa ko ! 172 krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA choTA svarUpa rAga- -dveSa hai, zaoNrTa svarUpa / kaSAya meM ye cAra hI yoddhA haiM, krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha aura saMkSepa meM unakA svarUpa rAga-dveSa hai| duniyA ina kaSAyoM se cala rahI hai| hiMdustAna kI duniyA kaSAyoM se cala rahI hai / maz2adUra - vaz2adUra sabhI kaSAya meM jabaki phaoNrena vAle kaSAya meM nahIM haiN| viSaya meM rahate haiM / yA to viSaya meM rahate haiM yA phira kaSAya meM rahate haiM yA phira akaSAya meM arthAt bhagavAna pada meM rahate haiM / akaSAya pada, vahA~ se to bhagavAna pada mAnA jAtA hai lekina logoM meM kaha nahIM skte| kahane se loga ulTA boleMge, 'ye bana baiThe haiM bar3e bhagavAna! ' hameM mana meM samajha jAnA hai ki

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 173 hama aMtima sTezana para A gae haiN| kisI ko kahane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| Apa mujhe kaha sakate haiM ! kisI aura ko kaheMge to loga kyA kaheMge? praznakartA : mUrkha kheNge| dAdAzrI : unheM kabhI bhI nahIM kaha skte| bAkI yaha akaSAya pada to bhagavAna pada hai| jo vItarAga aura nirbhaya ho jAe, vaha bhagavAna praznakartA : zrI kRSNa ko bhagavAna kahate haiM aura phira vApasa yaha bhI kahate haiM ki Apake aMdara bhagavAna haiM to dAdA kI dRSTi se yathArtha rUpa se bhagavAna kA artha kyA samajhanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : jaba taka rAga aura dveSa haiM taba taka jIvAtmA kahalAtA hai aura vItarAga ho jAe to bhgvaan| gAlI dene para jinheM dveSa nahIM hotA aura phUla-mAlA car3hAne para rAga nahIM, ve kahalAte haiM bhagavAna ! jo dvaMdva se pare ho cuke haiM, ve kahalAte haiM bhagavAna ! dvaMdva kyA hai, vaha Apa samajhe yA nahIM? Apa kise samajhate ho? jahA~ eka ho vahA~ dUsarA hotA hI hai, avazya hI hotA hai| jahA~ naphA hotA hai, vahA~ nukasAna hai hii| jo dvaMdva se pare ho cuke haiM unheM duHkha bhI nahIM hai aura sukha bhI nhiiN| gAliyA~ dene para duHkha nahIM, phUla-hAra car3hAne para sukha nahIM! ve vItarAga kahalAte haiM, nirbhaya hote haiN| AtmA vItarAga hai, use bhagavAna kahA jAtA hai aura aMdara jo AtmA hai, vahI paramAtmA kahalAtA hai| jo bAhara se bhagavAna ho cuke haiM, aMdara unakA AtmA paramAtmA bana jAtA hai| aMdara paramAtmA sTeja taka pahu~ca jAne para yaha zarIra bhI bhagavAna ho cukA hotA hai| kucha samajha meM AyA maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ? paoNinTa oNpha vyU? praznakartA : to phira ye jo kRSNa bhagavAna kahalAte haiM... dAdAzrI : hA~, aisA hI, aisA hI hai| koI bhI bana sakatA hai| yaha

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174 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kisI kA lAisensa nahIM hai, mahAvIra bhagavAna kA yA kRSNa bhagavAna kaa| jo vaisA bana sake, usI ke bApa kA! jo vItarAga bana sake aura nirbhaya bana sake, vahI bhagavAna! praznakartA : ataH bhagavAna guNa hai, vaha koI vyakti nahIM hai| bhagavAna vizeSaNa hI hai? dAdAzrI : aMtima kakSA hai isa pudgala kii| isa pudgala kI aMtima kakSA jaba bhagavAna vAlI hotI hai taba AtmA kI aMtima kakSA paramAtmA hotI hai| ve AtmA ko bhagavAna nahIM khte| bhagavAna to pudgala kI aMtima dazA hai| ataH hama manA karate haiM ki hama bhagavAna nahIM haiN| yadi hama apane Apako bhagavAna kaheMge to isakA matalaba aMdara AtmA paramAtmA ho gyaa| aura paramAtmA AtmA khaTapaTa nahIM krte| hama to khaTapaTa karate haiM ki 'caMdUbhAI AnA' khuda apane Apake, vyaktigata kAraNa se nahIM, Apake lie| maiMne kyA taya kiyA hai ki 'maiMne jo sukha pAyA hai, vahI sukha dUsare bhI paaeN'| yaha to mujhe garz2a hai ki ye loga sukha pAe~, mokSa meM jAe~, jabaki paramAtmA ko garja nahIM hotI kisI bhI taraha kii| praznakartA : lekina dAdA Apako jo yaha garz2a hai, vaha to niSkAma karuNA hai na? dAdAzrI : niSkAma karuNA hai lekina vaha karuNA bhI garja hai na! isa pada ke Ane ke bAda vaha aMtima pada aaegaa| isa pada ke Ane ke bAda jo aMtima pada AegA, vaha aisA AegA ki jagat khuza ho jaaegaa| vaha tIrthaMkara pada hai| logoM ke kalyANa ke lie hI jIte haiM ve| khuda ke lie nahIM jiite| kucha samajha meM AyA maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~? praznakartA : haaN| dAdA ko jaba jJAna huA thA taba jagat kalyANa karane ke lie kisane kahA thA? kauna sI zakti ne kahA thA? dAdAzrI : kisI ne nahIM kahA thaa| pahale se hI bhAvanA thI ki yaha jagat aisA nahIM rahanA cAhie, kalyANa honA caahie| aise kAraNa

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 175 (bhAvanA kI thI) chor3e the ki kisI ko aisA jJAna ho aura logoM kA kalyANa ho aura phira yaha jJAna mujhe hI ho gyaa| mujhe patA nahIM thA ki aisA jJAna ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : yAnI vyavasthita ne Apako pasaMda kiyaa| dAdAzrI : vyavasthita ke niyama ne| praznakartA : pudgala ko to koI icchA hI nahIM hotI na ki 'mujhe saba bhagavAna kaheM?' dAdAzrI : lekina pudgala kI icchA nahIM hone ke bAvajUda bhI pudgala unake jaisA ho jAtA hai| ekjekTa, bhagavAna svarUpa kI hI parachAI bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : tabhI chUTA jA sakatA hai na! dAdAzrI : haaN| vItarAgatA, vaha dazA hai praznakartA : vItarAgatA aura karuNA ke bIca koI saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA utpanna hone ke bAda meM karuNA hai| karuNA utpanna hone ke bAda meM vItarAgatA nahIM hai arthAt pahale karuNA nahIM hai| vItarAgatA usakA kAraNa hai| praznakartA : karuNA vAle kA vyavahAra kaisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : usake vyavahAra meM use khuda ke zarIra kA mAlikIpanA nahIM rahatA, vANI kA mAlikIpanA nahIM rahatA aura mana kA mAlikIpanA nahIM rahatA, taba karuNA utpanna hotI hai| praznakartA : hama ApameM mUrta rUpa meM karuNA dekhate haiN| vItarAgatA dekhate haiN|

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176 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina ve jinameM deha ke prati mAlikIpanA calA jAegA unameM karuNA utpanna hue bagaira rahegI hI nhiiN| kyoMki jaba taka khuda kI deha para z2arA sA bhI mAlikIpanA hai, jyAdA nahIM to z2arA sA bhI, taba taka karuNA utpanna nahIM hogii| praznakartA : vItarAgatA meM pasaMda-nApasaMda rahatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA meM agara pasaMda-nApasaMda hai to vaha vItarAgatA kI nicalI sthiti kahI jaaegii| vaha vItarAgatA kI zuruAta kahI jaaegii| arthAt vaha vItarAgatA kA enDa nahIM hai| zuruAta meM pasaMda-nApasaMda arthAt lAika-DisalAika donoM hI rahate haiN| vaha rAga-dveSa nahIM hai lekina lAika aura DisalAika hai| praznakartA : karuNA ko AtmA kA mUla guNa kahA jA sakatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : karuNA AtmA kA guNa hai hI nhiiN| karuNA to isa bAta kA lakSaNa hai ki 'AtmA prApta ho cukA hai, ve vItarAga ho cuke haiN| lakSaNa para se hameM patA calatA hai ki yaha kyA cIz2a hai| 'krodha' AtmA kA mUla guNa nahIM hai, cetana kA aura jar3a kA bhI mUla guNa nahIM hai| vaha vyatireka guNa hai aura usakA pratipakSI guNa 'kSamA' bhI AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai| kSamA para se Apa jAna sakate haiM ki yaha vItarAga ho cuke haiN| kSamA bhI sahaja kSamA honI caahie| 'hama Apako kSamA karate haiM' aisA nahIM, aura vaha kSamA bhI mA~ganI nahIM par3atI, de hI dete haiN| arthAt itane guNa sahaja rUpa se hote haiN| sahaja vinamratA hotI hai, sahaja kSamA hotI hai, sahaja saralatA hotI hai| saralatA lAnI nahIM par3atI phira saMsAra meM sahaja saMtoSa hotA hai arthAt sAre sahaja guNa utpanna ho cuke hote haiM lekina ve AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiN| ina guNoM para se hama nApa sakate haiM ki AtmA yahA~ taka phuNcaa| AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiN| AtmA ke guNa to ve haiM jo khuda ke sAtha vahA~ aMta taka jAte haiM, ve sabhI guNa AtmA ke haiN| vyavahAra meM, hamane jo batAe haiM, ve sabhI usake lakSaNa haiN| hama kisI ko

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 177 dhaula lagAe~ aura vaha hamAre sAmane ha~se taba hama jAna jAe~ge ki inameM sajaha kSamA hai| taba hameM samajha meM AegA ki bAta sahI hai| praznakartA : karuNA kI taraha vItarAgatA bhI lakSaNa hI kahA jAegA na? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA lakSaNa kahA jAegA, usakA guNa nahIM hai| rAga-dveSa bhI usakA guNa nahIM hai aura vItarAgatA bhI usakA guNa nahIM hai| yaha to vyavahAra kI vajaha se lakSaNa utpanna hue haiM kyoMki vahA~ para zabda ke rUpa meM kucha hai hI nahIM na! jaba taka ye zabda haiM, taba taka vyavahAra hai| zabda vAle guNa haiM hI nahIM vahA~ pr| __karuNA kI parAkASThA kahA~ praznakartA : jo saMpUrNa vItarAga haiM, una tIrthaMkaroM kI karuNA aura jo khaTapaTiyA vItarAga haiM, una sajIvanamUrti dAdA kI karuNA meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : yahA~ para vyaktiyoM ke lie ho jAtA hai| jabaki tIrthaMkaroM kA sAmAnya rUpa se pUrA eka sarIkhA hotA hai| yahA~ para to 'phalAne Ae, ve Ae', vyaktiyoM ke lie isa prakAra se ho jAtA hai| jabaki unakA vyaktiyoM ko lekara nahIM hotA, eka sarIkhA hotA hai| samAna! unakI beTI Ae yA anya koI bhI Ae to bhI smaan| praznakartA : usake pariNAma aura isake pariNAma meM koI aMtara hai kyA? dAdAzrI : pariNAma to eka hI prakAra ke hote haiN| pariNAma meM aMtara nahIM hotA lekina aisA dikhAI detA hai, vartana meN| pariNAma zuddha hote haiM lekina bAhya vyavahAra aisA dikhAI detA hai| vyavahAra to, pahale jo pratIti thI, usake AdhAra para hai isIlie jarA aMtara dikhAI detA hai ismeN| vItarAgoM meM to bilkula bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote isalie ve kara hI nahIM sakate aura hama meM to z2arA sA yaha cAra DigrI kama hai isIlie

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) hama meM kara sakane kI zakti hai / itanI hI jhaMjhaTa hai / ye phula kAma karate haiN| unameM kara sakane kI zakti nahIM hai jabaki inameM zakti hai, itanA hI aMtara hai| kyoMki yaha cAra DigrI phela haiM jabaki vahA~ para pUrNAhuti hai / yAnI ki aisI bArI kabhI AtI nahIM hai| 178 hamAre to abhI eka-do janma bAkI haiM isalie khaTapaTiyA haiM, khaTapaTiyA vItarAga! hama to kahate haiM, una bhAI ko yahA~ lekara AnA, aisA karanA, vaisA karanA, aisA karanA, vaisA karanA / jabaki vItarAgoM ko to kucha bhI nhiiN| unake darzana se hI apanA kalyANa ho jAtA hai / kaisA hai ki vAstavika darzana ho jAe~ge, vAstava meM darzana karanA AnA cAhie / jaisA jisako AegA utanA hI use lAbha hogaa| basa ! ve vItarAga ! lekina jisane unakI vItarAgatA ko pahacAnA, vItarAgatA usI ke bApa kI ! jitanI - jitanI pahacAnI utanA hI use lAbha hogaa| ve khuda ina bAtoM meM hAtha nahIM ddaalte| sahaja bhAva se vANI nikalatI rahatI hai| basa ! yAnI ki ve khaTapaTiyA nahIM haiN| hama khaTapaTiyA haiM ki una bahana ko lekara AnA kyoMki hama jAnate haiM ki yaha hamArA aMtima avatAra nahIM hai isalie hama yahA~ para aisA saba kaha sakate haiN| jabaki ve aisA kucha bhI nahIM kahate ki 'ApakA koI UparI nahIM hai yA ApameM koI dakhalaMdAjI nahIM kara sakatA', aisA saba nahIM kahate kyoMki jo mokSa meM jAne vAle haiM, ve unakA darzana karake prApti kara lete haiM / jo nahIM jAne vAle, unheM prApti nahIM hotI / vItarAga ! jinheM prApti honI ho use ho, jinheM prApti nahIM honI hai use na ho| jabaki hameM itanA Agraha rahatA hai / hama to abhI bhI khaTapaTa karate haiN| hama khaTapaTiyA vItarAga kahalAte haiM / praznakartA : vaha to dAdA ! jo Apake pAsa Ae~ge aura samajheMge, unake matabheda to cale jAe~ge lekina jo nahIM Ate unake matabheda to raheMge na? tIrthaMkaroM ke samaya meM bhI aisA hI hotA hogA na ? dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai lekina ve khaTapaTa nahIM karate na? hama khaTapaTa karate haiM na! hama to idhara se bacA lete haiM, udhara se yoM bacA lete haiN| jabaki tIrthaMkara to sirpha kahate haiM, basa itanA hI / agara ThIka na lage to vaha calA

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 179 jAtA hai| hamArI to khaTapaTa, baiThA-baiThAkara bAteM karate rahate haiN| praznakartA : rAtoM ko jAgakara bhI! dAdAzrI : hA~, rAta ko jAgakara bhii| yaha bhAI 30 sAla se Azrama meM jA rahe the to phira maiMne samajhAyA ki 'tU jo kara rahA hai vaha galata nahIM hai lekina yadi AtmA jAnanA ho to vaha isameM nahIM hai'| AtmA kahA~ se lAe~ge loga? logoM ke basa kI bAta hI nahIM hai na yh| jagat kA kalyANa hokara hI rahegA hama yaha jo khaTapaTa karate haiM vaha, 'idhara Ao na Apako mokSa deMge', isa bhAI kI phAila ke sAtha jhaMjhaTa ho jAtI hai to vaha khatma kara dete haiN| praznakartA : hama use aise kahate haiM ki satsaMga meM hI rho| dAdAzrI : haaN| hameM yaha sArI khaTapaTa isIlie karanI par3atI hai na? khuda ko kucha bhI nahIM cAhie, usI ko kahate haiM vItarAga! khaTapaTa kyA hai ? to vaha yaha hai ki sAmane vAle ko mere jaisI kucha (prApti) ho jAe, vahI bhaavnaa| mahAvIra bhagavAna khaTapaTiyA vItarAga nahIM the, jabaki maiM tumheM bulAtA hU~ ki 'AnA, Apake sarvasva duHkha cale jaaeNge'| mahAvIra bhagavAna ko aisA kucha nahIM thaa| saMpUrNa vItarAga! koI dakhala hI nahIM na! dakhala nahIM, khaTapaTa nhiiN| jise isa varlDa meM kucha bhI nahIM caahie| varlDa meM koI bhI cIz2a nahIM caahie| zuddha sonA diyA jAe phira bhI nahIM caahie| striyoM kA vicAra taka mujhe nahIM aataa| jo puruSa baMdhana mukta ho cuke haiM, unheM phira kyA cAhie? lekina sirpha yahI eka cIz2a ki jagat kA kalyANa honA cAhie aura hogA hI aura isa jagat kA nayA hI rUpa hogaa| nayA hI tarIkA, nayA hI ruup| praznakartA : agara itanI adhika AsthA hogI tabhI yaha kAma ho skegaa| itanA bar3A Ayojana !

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180 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : maiMne to dekhakara kahA hai| kyA hone vAlA hai, vaha dekhakara batAtA hU~ ki 2005 meM yaha hiMdustAna varlDa kA kendra bana cukA hogA! aisA 1971 meM pustaka meM likhA hai isalie nahIM kahatA hU~ ki inDiyA merA deza hai| jaisA hai vaisA, vItarAgatA se kaha rahA huuN| hameM aisA nahIM hai ki 'yaha merA hai'| vyavahAra se kaha sakate haiM, vAstava meM nhiiN| bIr3A uThAyA hai hamane jagat kalyANa kA khaTapaTiyA kA matalaba ye khaTapaTa karane ko raha gae haiM hama, isalie hama khaTapaTiyA vItarAga kahalAte haiN| sirpha itanI hI icchA hai, anya koI icchA nahIM hai| 'kisa taraha se logoM ko zAMti prApta ho?' isIlie yaha bIr3A uThAyA hai| roz2a 11 ghaMTe yaha satsaMga karatA huuN| praznakartA : ApakI yaha icchA rahI hai, to usase phira ApakI cAra DigrI pUrNa nahIM hogI na? baMdhanarUpa hai na yaha icchA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, yaha jo icchA raha gaI hai, vaha to DiscArja icchA hai| cArja meM aisA nahIM hai| cArja baMda ho cukA hai| agara cArja baMda hai to parezAnI nahIM hai| jo 'dAdA kI jaMjIra' khIMcegA usakA kAma ho jAegA kyoMki vItarAga kabhI kisI kAla meM hote hI nahIM hai na aura isa kAla meM pUrNa vItarAga nahIM ho sakate, lekina tamAma jIvoM ke lie hama to saMpUrNa vItarAga hI haiN| jIvamAtra ke prti| sirpha hamAre karmoM ke prati hI hameM rAga rahatA hai| sirpha karma khapAne jitnaa| thor3A rAga raha gayA hai, vaha bhI jagat kalyANa karane kI khaTapaTa ke lie, aura vaha nukasAnadeha nahIM hai na? ise bhI rAga hI kahate haiN| hamArI garja thI isIlie vahA~ se uThakara yahA~ Ae! praznakartA : isalie Apa kahate haiM ki hama khaTapaTiyA vItarAga haiM ! dAdAzrI : hA~! to aura kyA kaheMge? khaTapaTiyA lekina vItarAga haiN| aisA khaTapaTiyA DhU~Dha lAo na, jo vItarAga ho! eka bhI dina aisA

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[2.5] vItarAgatA __ 181 nahIM gayA jaba sAr3he gyAraha se kama huA ho| isalie hameM bhI koI Azcarya nahIM hotA na! aura phira rAta ko tIna yA sAr3he tIna baje uThate haiN| usake bAda Der3ha ghaMTe taka padmAsana lagAkara baiThate haiM aura phaoNrena vagairaha sabhI jagaha ghUmate haiN| phira hama kucha dera bAda vApasa so jAte haiN| sAr3he pA~ca, chaH bajane para Adhe ghaMTe ke lie so jAte haiN| zarIra pIr3A nahIM detA, kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| ye paira dabAne vAle kahate haiM ki hameM lAbha ho rahA hai, taba maiM kahatA hU~ ki 'dabAte raho na! hameM koI parezAnI nahIM hai'| roz2a dabAne se Adata par3a jAtI hai lekina hameM Adata vagairaha kucha nahIM par3atI, kucha bhI nhiiN| auroM ko Adata par3a jAtI hai| yaha zarIra vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| gurupUnama ke dina pUrNa advaitabhAva meM praznakartA : Apa satsaMga karate haiM aura gurupUrNimA ke dina darzana dete haiM to una donoM meM aMtara hai kyA? dAdAzrI : bahuta aMtara hai| ise to aisA kahA jAegA ki bAhara A gae haiN| vaha gurupUrNimA kA darzana to bahuta hI, ohoho! vaha to pUrNa darzana kahalAtA hai| koI eka bAra bhI darzana kara gayA to bahuta ho gyaa| usa dina hama 'Ao caMdUbhAI! Ao phalAne bhAI!' usameM nahIM pdd'te| pUrNa bhAva meM rahate haiM aura jabaki yahA~ para, anya kisI dina to hama bulAte haiM, pahacAnate bhI haiN| vahA~ para to hama pahacAnate bhI nahIM aura bulAte bhI nahIM haiN| praznakartA : vyavahAra meN| dAdAzrI : usa samaya advaitabhAva meM rahate haiM aura abhI dvaita meM rahanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : vItarAgatA aura sAkSIpane meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra (ke mAdhyama) se dekhe aura sAkSI rahe, vaha sAkSIpana hai aura AtmA (ke mAdhyama) se dekhe to jJAtA-dRSTApana hai|

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182 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vItarAgatA! ataH sAkSIpana nahIM hai lekina jJAtApana hai| vItarAgatA arthAt jJAyakapana, jJAyaka! phira bhI rahA pharka caudasa aura pUnama meM ata: duniyA meM jo kabhI bhI dekhA na gayA ho aisA prema utpanna huA hai kyoMki aisI jo jagaha thI jahA~ para prema utpanna hotA hai, vaha saMpUrNa vItarAga the| ataH vahA~ para prema dikhAI nahIM detaa| hama kacce raha gae, ataH prema rahA lekina saMpUrNa vItarAgatA nahIM aaii| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki 'hama premasvarUpa ho cuke haiM, lekina saMpUrNa vItarAgatA utpanna nahIM huii'| ise jarA samajhanA thaa| dAdAzrI : prema kA matalaba kyA hai ? kiMcitmAtra bhI kisI kI tarapha z2arA sA bhI bhAva na bigar3e, use kahate haiM prem| arthAt saMpUrNa vItarAgatA ko hI prema kahate haiN| praznakartA : to prema kA sthAna kahA~ para hai? yahA~ para kauna sI sthiti meM prema kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : prema to, jitanA vItarAga hotA hai utanA hI prema utpanna hotA hai| saMpUrNa vItarAga ko saMpUrNa prema! ataH Apa sabhI vitadveSa to ho hI cuke ho, aura aba jaise-jaise hara eka bAta meM vItarAga hote jAoge, vaise-vaise prema utpanna hotA jaaegaa| praznakartA : to Apane jo abhI yaha kahA ki 'hamArA, yaha prema kahalAtA hai lekina vItarAgatA nahIM AI hai', vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA arthAt yaha hamArA prema hai, yaha prema yoM dikhAI detA hai jabaki vItarAgoM kA prema dikhAI nahIM detaa| lekina vAstavika prema to unakA hI kahA jAegA jabaki hamArA prema logoM ko dikhAI detA hai lekina yaha vAstavika prema nahIM hai| ekz2ekTalI jise prema kahA jAtA hai na, vaha yaha nahIM hai| ekjekTalI to, jaba saMpUrNa vItarAgatA hogI, tabhI vAstavika prema AegA jabaki hamArI to abhI caudasa hai, pUnama nahIM hai|

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[2.5] vItarAgatA 183 praznakartA : arthAt pUnama vAle meM isase bhI jyAdA prema hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : pUnama vAle kA prema hI vAstavika prema hai! ye caudasa vAle meM kisI jagaha para kamI raha jAtI hai| pUnama vAle kA prema hI vAstavika prema hai| praznakartA : saMpUrNa vItarAgatA ho aura prema rahita hoM, aisA to ho hI nahIM sakatA na? dAdAzrI : prema ke binA to ho hI nahIM sakate ve! praznakartA : to dAdA! caudasa aura pUnama meM itanA pharka A jAtA hai? itanA bheda, aisA? dAdAzrI : bahuta aMtara hai ! yaha to hameM pUnama jaisA lagatA hai lekina bahuta aMtara hai! hamAre hAtha meM hai hI kyA? jabaki unake, tIrthaMkaroM ke hAtha meM to sabhI kucha hai ! hamAre hAtha meM kyA hai? phira bhI hameM pUnama jitanA saMtoSa rahatA hai! hamArI zakti, khuda ke lie itanI zakti kAma karatI hai ki hameM lagatA hai ki jaise pUnama ho cukI hai!

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala jahA~ zabda va vANI thama jAe~, vahA~ khuda vItarAga vItarAga arthAt shuddh| vItarAga vahA~ para haiM jahA~ para vANI yA zabda nahIM haiN| jahA~ para zabda haiM, vahA~ para ve nahIM hote| zabda khatma ho jAne ke bAda sirpha 'khuda' hI bAkI rahatA hai| jahA~ para zabda haiM, vahA~ para zabda bhI haiM aura vaha bhI hai| praznakartA : phira kahane vAlA aura jAnane vAlA donoM eka ho jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : eka hai ?! eka ho gae haiM, tabhI to yaha dazA huI hai ! praznakartA : to kyA alaga ho jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : pUrI taraha se alaga ho jAte haiN| yoM to alaga ho gae haiN| jitane zuddha hote gae, utane alaga ho ge| praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai| ataH phira pudgala bhI kahatA hai ki aba hama bhI zuddha ho gae arthAt aba hama alaga ho gae ! dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| ye khuda zuddha ho gae to ve (pudgala) zuddha ho hI jaaeNge| inakI vajaha se ve bigar3ate haiN| yadi ye khuda kaoNz2a nahIM DAleMge to pudgala to zuddha hI hai| bhUla pakar3ane vAlA kauna? tU Ajakala kyoM pIche raha gayA hai? kahA~ galatI ho rahI hai ?

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala praznakartA : usakA saMzodhana kara rahA hU~, galatI pakar3a meM nahIM A rhii| 185 dAdAzrI : usase tujha para kyoM asara ho jAtA hai ? to phira pakar3a meM AI kyA? jo pakar3a meM AyA vaha bhI pudgala, nahIM pakar3a meM AyA vaha bhI pudgala aura pakar3ane vAlA bhI pudgala / 'tU' sirpha jAnane vAlA, isameM tujhe kyA lenA-denA? tU to pakar3ane lagA thA na ! aisA huA ? praznakartA : aisA hI huA hai / cAroM ora se ekadama se phAileM A gaIM isalie phira phAila naMbara vana kA thor3A bahuta enAlisisa kiyA / to saphokezana aura bhI z2yAdA bar3ha gayA / phira kisa kAraNa se isakA aisA hai, vaha abhI bhI samajha meM nahIM A rahA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina tU AdhAra pakar3ane vAlA kyoM bana jAtA hai ? tU jaan| tU to pakar3ane vAlA banA isalie bojha bar3ha gayA, isalie mu~ha bigar3a gyaa| praznakartA : lekina yaha utpanna kahA~ se huA ? vaha dekhane jAtA hU~ / dAdAzrI : are, pudgala meM se utpanna huA, pudgala meM se utpanna hogaa| jo thA vahI kA vahI sAmAna / kucha nayA sAmAna Ane vAlA hai nhiiN| itanA to batA diyA hai, phira bhI aisA kyoM kara rahA hai ? praznakartA : aba se aisI bhUla nahIM hogI / dAdAzrI : lekina caMdUbhAI kA kyA doSa ? 'hama' usameM ghusa jAte haiM na! yaha DhU~Dhane aMdara gayA ki isakA mUla kAraNa kyA hai ? vaha jAnane kI z2arUrata hai, hameM DhU~Dhane nahIM jAnA hai / usake lie to DI.esa.pI. ko bheja denaa| DI.esa.pI. se kahanA ki 'jAie, jA~ca kIjie / ' DI.esa.pI. kI bajAya hama cale jAe~ to kyA hogA ? aura pUre dina aMdara tanakhvAha DI.esa.pI. khAtA rahatA hai, AiskrIma khAtA hai, pha~lA khAtA hai / aba nahIM hogI na galatI ?

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186 praznakartA : nahIM hogI / dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa hote haiM ? praznakartA : abhAva hotA hai / AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : kisa para ? praznakartA : kAryoM para / jo kArya karate the, una para abhAva hotA hai / dAdAzrI : o ho ho, usakA pachatAvA rahatA hai na! pachatAve ko abhAva nahIM khte| pachatAvA hai, lekina caMdUbhAI ko rahatA hai yA tujhe rahatA hai ? praznakartA : caMdUbhAI ko rahatA hai / dAdAzrI : to phira tU kyoM apane sira le rahA hai ? yadi vaha pachatAvA nahIM kare taba hameM kahanA cAhie, ki 'pachatAvA kro| aisA kyoM kiyA ? atikramaNa kyoM kiyA ? pratikramaNa karo' / kacarA kauna dikhAegA ? praznakartA : kaI bAra hama jAnate haiM ki yaha cIz2a nahIM karanI hai| hama manA bhI karate haiM ki 'caMdUbhAI yaha karane jaisA nahIM hai'| phira bhI caMdUbhAI karatA hai to use kyA samajheM ? dAdAzrI : vaha to usane gaMdA kiyA hai, vaha dho rahA hai| hamane koI gaMdagI nahIM kI hai aura kareMge bhI nahIM / jisane kI hai usane dho diyaa| hameM kahanA hai, 'aba gaMdA mata karanA' / ve yaha saba dho rahe hoM to hameM samajhanA hai ki pahale kiyA hogA isalie dho rahe hoMge / ataH hameM dekhate rahanA hai / bAda meM phira se kahanA 'aba mata karanA' / isalie aba kacarA buhArate rahanA hai| Age kA jo bhI nayA kAma ho, hameM vaha use dikhAte rahanA hai| kAma kA patA hameM hI calegA ki kyA kAma karanA bAkI hai ? kisI jagaha para dekhane jAe~ taba kahanA ki Apa

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 187 saba dekha lo| ataH agara hamane eka kacarA dekhA to kahanA hai ki ise sApha kara do! phira dUsarA bhI dikhA denA hai ki 'bhAI, yaha nahIM huA hai'| hama haiM batAne vaale| arthAt AtmA nahIM btaataa| yaha to, AtmA kI prajJA nAma kI jo zakti hai, vaha batAtI hai| pudgala karatA rahegA aura hameM dekhate rahanA hai| hameM batAte rahanA hai ki 'dekho yaha raha gayA hai| ataH hama agara kaha deMge to hama zuddha ho jaaeNge| phira vaha karegA to vaha zuddha ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : hama kaheMge to hama zuddha ho gae... dAdAzrI : zuddha ho gae lekina agara vaha karegA tabhI hama zuddha ho skeNge| vaha zuddha ho jAegA to hama zuddha ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : isameM 'hama' kauna hai? hama arthAt kise zuddha karane kA kaha rahe haiM Apa? dAdAzrI : hama arthAt zuddhAtmA ko hii| eka tarapha AtmA hai aura eka tarapha pudgl| prajJA khuda ahaMkAra se kyA kahatI hai ? 'jitane Apa zuddha ho gae, utane hI Apa AtmA meM A ge|' praznakartA : yAnI ahaMkAra ko karanA hai| dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra arthAt pudgala aura AtmA donoM ikaTThe ho gae haiM, vaha ! vaha pudgala kartAbhAva se milA hai aura AtmA jJAtAbhAva se! ataH agara khuda kA jJAtApana rahegA to vaha chUTa jAegA aura pudgala kA kartApana rahegA to vaha chUTa jaaegaa| praznakartA : donoM hI chUTa jaaeNge| dAdAzrI : ata: yaha to dIye jaisI bAta hai| dikhAne meM kyA jAtA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : maiMne Apako kucha dikhAyA, taba ApakA kartApana chUTa

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188 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) gayA, ahaMkAra kaa| lekina phira Age-Age dikhAne meM harja kyA hai ? kauna dikhAtA hai yaha? prajJA dikhAtI hai yaha sb| jo parAkrama karatA hai, vaha bhI pudgala praznakartA : Apa eka aisA udAharaNa dete the ki rAta ke bAraha baje koI Ae aura phira bhI agara apanA bhAva nahIM bigar3e to vaha puruSArtha hai aura agara asara hI nahIM ho to vaha parAkrama hai| dAdAzrI : vaha bhAva hameM nahIM karanA hai| vaha to hameM dekhanA hai ki ulTA bhAva nahIM ho, to vaha ulTA bhAva hama nahIM kara rahe haiN| jo bhAva kara rahA hai, vaha alaga hai| hameM to dekhanA hai| hama Apako udAharaNa deMge, tabhI Apa samajha sakoge na, varnA kaise samajhoge? ulTA bhAva karate ho to jo karane vAlA hai, vaha pudgala hai aura Apa zuddhAtmA ho| jo ulTA bhAva karatA hai, vaha pudgala karatA hai aura jo sIdhA bhAva karatA hai, vaha bhI pudgala karatA hai| lekina jo ulTA yA sulTA bhAva karatA hai, use jo jAnatA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA hai| lekina usake lie bhI hama Apase aisA hI kahate haiM ki Apane ulTA kiyA taba agara vaha sIdhA karake A jAe to vaha donoM hI Apako dekhane haiM ! lekina ulTA bhAva nahIM honA cAhie, aisA kahanA cAhate haiM aura agara ho jAtA hai to bhI jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA caahie| praznakartA : lekina abhI eka cIz2a ThIka se samajha meM nahIM aaii| acchA yA burA bhAva donoM hI pudgala karatA hai, to parAkrama kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha parAkrama bhI pudgala kA hai| praznakartA : vaha parAkrama bhI pudgala kA hI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM to phira kisakA hai vaha parAkrama? pichale janma meM jo puruSArtha kiyA thA, jise ajJAnatA se hama puruSArtha mAnate the, Aja vaha parAkrama ke rUpa meM AyA hai| aba hama jJAtA-dRSTA bana gae haiM aura

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 189 pudgala kartA hai| una dinoM kartA the, ataH parAkrama kiyA thaa| Aja vaha jJAtA-dRSTA ke rUpa meM AyA hai| praznakartA : to aba to hama jJAna lie mahAtmAoM ke lie parAkrama yA puruSArtha jaisA kucha rahA hI nahIM na? sirpha dekhanA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : dekhanA hI bAkI rahA lekina pichale janma meM hamane nAsamajhI meM jo puruSArtha kiyA, Aja hameM use dekhate rahanA hai| ataH hameM caMdUbhAI se kahanA par3egA na ki 'tU itanA krnaa'| Apako 'caMdUbhAI' se kahanA hai ki 'aisA bhAva krnaa'| Apako dekhanA hai ki caMdUbhAI vaha kara rahe haiM yA nhiiN| praznakartA : hA~, vaha to ThIka hai| to isa prakAra se mukta hai| dAdAzrI : aba jo vedanA hai vaha caMdUbhAI kI hai, aura vaha DiscArja ke rUpa meM aura DiscArja se to koI baca hI nahIM sakatA na! bhagavAna mahAvIra ko bhI yahA~ kAna meM baru (jaMgalI paudhe kI nukIlI DaMDI) Thoke gae the, to cehare para cha:-ATha mahIne taka usakA asara rahA! to cehare para kyA rahatA hogA bhagavAna ko? vyathita rahate the| praznakartA : darda hotA thA isalie vyathita rahate the na ! dAdAzrI : to kyA usase karma cipaka gayA? nhiiN| aura isake bAvajUda bhI hala A hI gyaa| nivAraNa hI ho gayA unake lie| vyathita hone se kahIM cipaka nahIM gayA kyoMki khuda vyathita nahIM hue the, zarIra vyathita thaa| isI prakAra Apa khuda krodha-mAna-mAyA va lobha kaSAya meM nahIM ho| praznakartA : pudgala hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, pudgala kA to niber3A A jAtA hai| usakA nikAla honA hI caahie| use parezAna nahIM honA hai, aisA rahanA caahie| praznakartA : ye jo kaSAya haiM, ve pudgala ke adhIna hI haiM na? pudgala kA hI pariNAma haiM na?

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190 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha pudgala kA hI eka bhAga hai / praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to phira pratikramaNa karane kI jo bAta hai, usakA to koI artha hI nahIM hai na ? dAdAzrI : artha hI nahIM hai / jJAtA - dRSTA rahanA aura pratikramaNa ? ! yaha to agara jaba jJAtA - dRSTA kaccA raha jAe na... praznakartA : taba pratikramaNa karanA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha pratikramaNa bhI hameM khuda ko nahIM karanA hai| yaha akrama vijJAna hai na, isalie kaSAya z2arA bhArI haiN| aba agara caMdUbhAI ne kisI ko DA~TA aura aisA DA~TA ki sAmane vAle ko duHkha ho gayA to Apako caMdUbhAI se kahanA hai, ki ' bhAI Apane atikramaNa kyoM kiyA? isalie aba pratikramaNa karo' / hameM pratikramaNa nahIM karanA hai| praznakartA : jJAtA-dRSTA meM z2arA ulajhana rahatI hai / jJAtA-dRSTA to AtmA kA bhAga hai aura pratikramaNa pudgala ko karanA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, pudgala kA bhAga hai| atikramaNa pudgala kA hai aura pratikramaNa bhI pudgala kA hai I praznakartA : haaN| itanA agara samajha meM A jAe to phira bahuta ulajhana nahIM rhtii| karatA hai pudgala, aura mAnatA hai 'maiMne kiyA ' dAdAzrI : jisane mailA kiyA vaha bhI pudgala hai aura jo sApha karatA hai vaha bhI pudgala hI hai / yaha jo mailA kara rahA thA, vaha pudgala kara rahA thA taba bhI Apa kahate the ki 'maiMne kiyA' / aba sApha karate samaya bhI pudgala hI karatA hai lekina phira Apa kahate ho ki 'maiMne kiyA' to phira se hisAba meM A jAte ho| isalie sApha karane vAlA aura mailA karane vAlA aura gaMdA karane vAlA, ye sabhI hama khuda nahIM haiN| gaMdA karate samaya 'maiM nahIM hU~', aisA nahIM kahA thA, isIlie to aisA huaa| aba sApha karate samaya aisA kaheMge ki 'maiM nahIM hU~' to chUTa jaaeNge|

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 191 vAstava meM hamane mailA nahIM kiyA hai phira bhI hamane mAna liyA ki 'maiMne kiyA hai' ataH apanI javAbadehI A gii| aba agara sApha karate samaya, sApha karatA hai usa samaya kahe, 'maiM nahIM kara rahA hU~' to javAbadehI khatma ho jaaegii| jo mailA kara rahA hai, vaha to pudgala hai, aura pUrA jagat kahatA hai, 'maiM hI kara rahA huuN'| gAya kA dUdha bhI pudgala nikAlatA hai aura khuda kahatA hai, 'maiM duha rahA huuN'| gAya ko kauna duhatA hai? pudgl| aura hama kyA kahate haiM ? 'maiMne dhii|' aura phira jaba usake pariNAma svarUpa sApha karane kI bArI AtI hai taba? kahatA hai 'maiMne sApha kiyaa'| usase AtI hai javAbadehI / vahA~ khuda ne bhUla se javAbadehI le lii| pUrA jagat javAbadehI para khar3A hai aura hama javAbadehI chor3a rahe haiN| jaba pudgala ne mailA kiyA, usa samaya hamane kahA ki 'maiMne mailA kiyaa'| z2arA sA bhI agara usane U~cA uThAyA to 'maiMne U~cA utthaayaa'| pudgala U~cA uThAtA hai, naphA bhI pudgala kamAtA hai, nukasAna bhI pudgala uThAtA hai| usake lie kahatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA' isIlie to hama muzkila meM par3a gae haiN| jo kahatA hai, 'maiMne kiyA' vaha ahaMkAra hai aura 'maiMne isameM kucha bhI nahIM kiyA', vaha zuddhAtmA hai| 'maiMne kiyA' aisI ulTI mAnyatA hI mithyAtva hai aura 'maiMne nahIM kiyA', vaha samyaktva hai| 'kara kauna rahA hai', use samajha jAe to hamezA ke lie pahelI sulajha jaae| mailA karane vAlA pudgala hai, pudgala ne mailA kiyA hai aura agara use sApha karane ko kaheMge to phira vaha vApasa khuda sApha karane meM laga jaaegaa| jaba vaha khuda sApha karane meM laga jAtA hai taba aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| vahA~ para phira bhUla ho jAtI hai| sApha karane vAlA bana jAtA hai| mailA karane vAlA miTa gayA aura aba sApha karane vAlA bana gyaa| khuda vahI kA vhii| loga vahIM para pha~se hue haiN| usI kAraNa sArA bojha hai!

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192 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) zraddhA-darzana- anubhava - vartana yaha to Apane sunA hai, basa itanA hii| thor3e hI vaha vartana (AcaraNa) meM A jAegA ? zraddhA baiTha gaI hai lekina vartana meM nahIM AtA na? AegA hI nahIM na ? praznakartA : dAdA, vartana meM Ae taba vaha kaisA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha alaga taraha kA hotA hai / praznakartA : aba Aja hamane sunA, zraddhA baiThI, aMdara phiTa ho gayA aura aisA lagA ki haMDreDa parasenTa yahI bAta karekTa hai / dAdAzrI : aisA lagatA z2arUra hai lekina vaha vartana meM nahIM AtA / vaha niraMtara dhyAna meM nahIM rahatA / praznakartA : hA~, niraMtara dhyAna meM nahIM rahatA / dAdAzrI : vaha niraMtara vartana meM rahegA to niraMtara dhyAna meM rahegA / jaisA vartana meM hotA hai vaisA dhyAna meM rahatA hai / ataH yaha vartana meM nahIM rahatA na? dhIre-dhIre, bU~da-bU~da karake bar3hatA jAtA hai| lekina jAnegA tabhI bU~da-bU~da karake bar3hegA, rAste ko jAnegA to / sabhI usI rAste para jA rahe haiM, lekina aMta meM ve mAra khAte haiM / sApha karane jAte haiM, zuddha karane jAte haiM lekina Aja jo kucha bhI karane jAte haiM, eka bAra usI rUpa ho jAte haiN| ise samajha rahe ho kyA ? praznakartA : Apane vaha jo ThapakA (ulAhanA, DapaTanA) dene ko kahA thA na, to mujhe do dinoM taka aMdara Thapake kA hI calatA rhaa| pUre dina vahI calatA rahA isalie phira mujhe eka tarapha dUsarI taraha kA saphokezana hone lagA ki yaha to usI rUpa ho rahe haiN| khuda ThapakA dene vAlA bana gyaa| dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM honA cAhie / praznakartA : lekina aisA ho gayA thA /

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 193 dAdAzrI : aisA ho jAtA hai, sabhI ko aisA hI ho jAtA hai praznakartA : to aMdara mujhe vaha khaTaka rahA thA ki yaha kucha tIsarA hI ho gyaa| usakA patA nahIM cala rahA thA / dAdAzrI : jo ThapakA detA hai use maiM dekhatA hU~ ki yaha ThIka se ThapakA de rahA hai yA nahIM / praznakartA : taba yaha sAra samajha meM AyA ki yaha jo ThapakA detA hai, bhUla nikAlatA hai, pratikramaNa karatA hai, ve saba eka hI haiN| dAdAzrI : vahI kA vahI hai| praznakartA : prajJA sirpha lAiTa detI hai ki yaha... dAdAzrI : vaha dekhatI hai| basa itanA hI hai / praznakartA : hA~, vaha apanA prakAza dikhAtI hai, basa / dAdAzrI : sabhI loga usa prakAza meM nahIM A sakate / ataH roz2aroz2a, z2arA-z2arA sA Ate jAte haiM, z2arA-z2arA sA karate-karate bar3hatA jAtA hai na! vaha prakAza, vaha saba usakI zraddhA meM hai lekina jaba udaya AtA hai, usake bAda vaha darzana khar3A hotA hai| usake bAda phira use jJAna anubhava meM AtA hai| anubhava meM Ane ke bAda phira vartana meM AtA hai| abhI to darzana meM A rahA hai| kabhI z2arA sA anubhava meM A jAtA hai / taba utanA hI vartana meM AtA hai| praznakartA : kucha samaya arthAt caubIsa ghaMToM meM se kitane minaTa aura kitane sekanDa, unameM se kitane sekanDa taka yaha darzana aura jAgRti rahatI hai? aura Apa kahate haiM ki niraMtara rakhanA hai / yaha to bahuta hI kama rahatA hai to vaha to kucha bhI nahIM hai na! dAdAzrI : vaha nahIM raha pAegA lekina aise karate-karate Age bddh'egaa| niraMtara itanA lakSa rahe to bhI bahuta ho gayA !

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194 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) cetanabhAva vAlA pudgala hama khuda ko jo zuddhAtmA kahate haiM na, to yaha jo bAhara vAlA bhautika bhAga hai na, jise pudgala kahate haiM, to yaha pudgala kyA kahatA hai ki 'hamArA kyA? aba Apa zuddhAtmA bana gae, lekina mukta nahIM ho skoge| jaba taka hamArA niber3A nahIM AegA taba taka Apa mukta nahIM ho skoge'| vaha kyA kahatA hai ki 'jaba taka hameM hamArI mUla sthiti meM nahIM lAoge, taba taka hama Apako chor3eMge nahIM kyoMki hamArI mUla sthiti ko Apane hI kharAba kiyA hai| aba Apa hI hameM hamArI mUla sthiti meM lAkara rakha do!' praznakartA : lekina vaha to aMdara hama se kahatA hai ki yaha camar3I hai, khUna hai, haDDiyA~ hai, mA~sa hai, yaha paMcabhUta se banA huA hai usakA aura hamArA kyA? bhAI usase kyA kAma hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, nhiiN| caMdUbhAI jIvita hai| Apa zuddhAtmA ho aura caMdUbhAI jIvita hai| yaha sirpha khUna-mA~sa aura mavAda kA putalA nahIM hai, yaha jIvita hai| niber3A lAnA par3egA isakA to! praznakartA : hama kisI kA kharAba nahIM karate, vyavasthita hai usa anusAra hotA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM clegaa| yaha kyA kahatA hai ki 'Apane hameM kharAba kiyA hai, Apane hameM vikRta bnaayaa| hama, jo pudgala paramANu zuddha the, pyora the, zuddha the, Apane hameM azuddha banAyA, impyora banAyA, vikRta bnaayaa'| 'Apane' bhAva kie tabhI vikRta hue na! praznakartA : lekina dAdA, pudgala ke lie bhalA, jar3a ke lie svakRti kyA aura vikRti kyA? dAdAzrI : aMdara pAvara cetana hai na! Apa alaga ho aura yaha cetanabhAva vAlA pudgala alaga hai| pudgala meM pAvara cetana hai, vAstavika cetana nahIM hai|

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 195 praznakartA : pudgala ko kharAba kisane kiyaa| dAdAzrI : 'Apane' khuda ne jo bhAva kie, vahI bhAvakarma! isI se pudgala bana gyaa| yadi bhAvakarma nahIM hue hote to yaha pudgala utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| pudgala ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| vaha becArA to vItarAga hI hai| 'Apa' bhAva karate ho isalie turaMta hI usakA pariNAma A jAtA hai| ataH jo paramANu azuddha ho cuke haiM, una paramANuoM ko zuddhatA se zuddha karanA hai| isake alAvA kucha bhI nhiiN| jitane DiscArja bAkI haiM, utane azuddha rahe haiN| unheM bhI agara dekha-dekhakara jAne doge to zuddha hokara cale jaaeNge| paramANu zuddha karane haiM lekina kisa prakAra se? hama zuddhAtmA to ho gae, aba hamAre pAsa kAma kyA bacA ki ye kyA kaha rahe haiM? caMdUbhAI kyA kaha rahe haiM? pudgala kahatA hai ki 'bhAI, hama to zuddha hI the, Apa hameM isa rUpa meM lAe, isalie hameM zuddha kara do| hama jaise the vaisaa'| praznakartA : to pudgala ko zuddha karanA hai vApasa? dAdAzrI : hA~, jitanA samabhAva se nikAla karoge na, utanA pudgala zuddha hokara calA jaaegaa| praznakartA : jaise-jaise hama sabhI DiscArja kA samabhAva se nikAla karate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise sabhI pudgala paramANu pavitra hote jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : basa, ve zuddha ho hI jaaeNge| pavitra nahIM, zuddha! pavitra hue aura apavitra hue aisA nahIM, lekina pyora, unake mUla phorma meM! praznakartA : yaha jo bigar3e hue paramANuoM ko zuddha karake denA par3atA hai, to vaha kisa prakAra se? dAdAzrI : koI gAliyA~ de aura hama samatA rakheM taba usa kSaNa sabhI paramANu zuddha ho jAte haiN|

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196 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : phira agara samatA nahIM rahe to kyA ve paramANu vApasa azuddha hI raheMge? dAdAzrI : yadi nahIM rakhegA to utane bigdd'eNge| praznakartA : aura phira agara pratikramaNa kara leM to? dAdAzrI : phira bhI bigar3a jAtA hai| praznakartA : pratikramaNa karane se dhula jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : kacarA raha jAtA hai| samatA jaisA zuddha nahIM ho pAtA! jo-jo Ae, use hameM zuddha karake nikAlanA hai| eka sAtha zuddha nahIM ho skegaa| jitanA AegA, vaise-vaise ! dina ugane ke bAda jitanA Ae utanA zuddha / pA~ca AjJA se saba zuddha ho jaaegaa| phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla karane se saba zuddha ho jaaegaa| zuddha sthiti meM kaba rakhA jA sakatA hai ki jaba DiscArja hote samaya unheM dekhakara' jAne deMge to zuddha ho jaaeNge| cArja karate samaya rAga-dveSa kie the isalie azuddha ho gae aura agara DiscArja karate samaya 'dekhakara' arthAt vItarAgatA se jAne doge to zuddha ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : dAdA, lekina pudgala kA kyA karanA hai ? asala vastu to AtmA hai! dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nhiiN| ApakA jJAyaka svabhAva mata chodd'naa| kyA ho rahA hai use dekhate raho, jJeya ko| pudgala jJeya hai aura Apa jJAyaka ho| mana meM jo vicAra Ate haiM, ve sabhI jJeya haiM aura Apa jJAyaka ho| ve vicAra acche haiM yA bure, vaha Apako nahIM dekhanA hai| ve jJeya haiM isalie Apako to unheM dekhanA hai| dekhane se ve svaccha hokara cale jAte haiN| unheM zuddha karane kI z2arUrata hai| hama zuddha ho gae haiM lekina unheM zuddha kareMge tabhI hama mukta ho sakeMge, basa! ve phAileM haiN| praznakartA : Apane zuddhAtmA btaayaa| aba usake lie anya kucha to rahA nahIM n|

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala 197 dAdAzrI : apanA khuda kA nahIM rahA lekina yaha pichalI gunahagArI bAkI rahI na! praznakartA : use bhoga leMge, usameM harja nahIM hai| agara udaya meM aisA kucha hogA to bhoga leNge| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| sirpha bhoga lene se hI nahIM clegaa| bhoganA hai, use to Apa bhoga loge lekina phira agara usakA nikAla nahIM hogA, to usakA niber3A nahIM aaegaa| taba ve kyA kahate haiM ki hara eka pudgala ko dekhakara' jAne do ki Apa jJAyaka ho aura vaha pudgala jJeya hai| yadi Apa jJAyaka-jJeya kA saMbaMdha rakhoge, taba ve jJeya zuddha hokara cale jaaeNge| jJeya arthAt pudgl| jo asvaccha haiM, ve svaccha hokara cale jaaeNge| ataH jitane-jitane svaccha hokara cale gae, utanI phAiloM kA nikAla ho gyaa| zuddha karane se paramANu vizrasA ho jAte haiN| saMvara (karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA) rahatA hai, baMdha nahIM hotaa| hAlAMki vizrasA to jIvamAtra meM ho hI rahA hai lekina unameM baMdha DAlakara vizrasA ho rahA hai, jabaki yahA~ para binA baMdha par3e saMvarapUrvaka vizrasA hotA hai| sAbuna bhI khuda aura kapar3A bhI khuda praznakartA : usa samaya vaha aisA to socegA na ki abhI taka aisA hI mAnakara cale the ki yaha jo pudgala hai vahI 'maiM hU~', vaha bhI merI bhUla hai| 'bhAI, aba maiM bhUla sudhAra rahA huuN| aura tere sAtha hI saMyoga huA hai to meharabAnI karake aba tU saMyoga chor3a de!' isake alAvA aura kyA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| vaha kyA chor3egA? becArA pAvara cetana! kisa prakAra se kitanA kara pAegA? vaha kaise chor3a sakegA? hamAre dekhane se vaha chUTa hI jaaegaa| eka-eka dhAgA chUTatA jaaegaa| usameM bhI agara aise lAkha dhAge hoMge, to ve lAkha bhI chUTate jAe~ge aura phira se nahIM bNdhege| hama mukta ho jaaeNge| dhAgA dhAge ke ghara gayA, hama apane ghara gae! usameM phira kyA bAkI rahA?

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198 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : to hameM jo yaha saba bolanA hai, vaha apane pudgala ko zuddha karane ke lie hI bolanA hai na? dAdAzrI : yaha saba pudgala ko zuddha karane ke lie hI hai| hA~, taba taka dazA pUrNa nahIM hogii| dAdA ne hameM zuddha banAyA hai, aba isa pudgala kA zuddhikaraNa bAkI hai| usakA azuddha honA baMda ho gayA hai| aba abhI agara aisA zuddhikaraNa ho na, to eka janma taka cale aisA hai| AjJA meM rahane se zuddhikaraNa hotA rhegaa| praznakartA : yaha pUrA sAinsa pudgala ko zuddha karane ke lie hI hai na? AjJArUpI jo ye pA~ca vAkya haiM yA phira yaha jo sArA vijJAna hai, vaha pudgala ko zuddha karane ke lie hI hai na? AtmA ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : mUlataH to hameM pudgala ko bhI zuddha karane kI (yAnI kartApana kI kriyA kI) bhI koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hameM, apanI jo zuddha dazA (jJAtA-dRSTA) hai, usameM agara hama azuddhi (maiM kartA hU~) nahIM mAneMge taba pudgala to zuddha ho hI jaaegaa| pudgala to apane Apa zuddha hotA hI rahegA! praznakartA : lekina azuddhi to pudgala kI hI hai na? dAdAzrI : jagat bhalA kabhI pudgala ko azuddhi mAnatA hogA? pUrA jagat aisA mAnatA hai ki azuddhi AtmA kI hI hai| kahate haiM ki 'merA AtmA hI pApI hai'| pudgala kI azuddhi ko loga samajhate hI kahA~ haiM ? use Apa samajhe? pudgala meM yadi dakhalaMdAjI nahIM hogI na to yaha to svaccha hotA hI rahegA lekina yaha dakhalaMdAjI karatA hai| dakhala karatA hai aura phira gar3abar3a ho jAtI hai! dakhalaMdAjI kauna karatA hai? to ve haiM ajJAna mAnyatAe~! praznakartA : Apa pudgala se jo kaha rahe haiM, maiM suna rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : ajJAnatA pudgala meM thii| ye zabda una AvaraNoM ko tor3a

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[3] mailA kare vaha bhI pudgala, sApha kare vaha bhI pudgala hai dete haiM, zabda bhI pudgala haiM / mailA bhI khuda karatA hai, sAbuna bhI khuda aura kapar3A bhI khuda hai aura aMta meM khuda hI svaccha ho jAtA hai| 199 dAdA karate haiM sIdhA khulAsA aisA kahane vAle sirpha ye dAdA hI mile haiM dUsarA koI nahIM milegaa| praznakartA : ye dAdA ke sIdhe khulAse haiM / dAdAzrI : lekina ise samajhane meM bahuta dera lgegii| praznakartA : vaha to, aMtima bAta to alaga hI hai ! dAdAzrI : ye zabda to vahI ke vahI haiM, lekina yaha aMtima bAta hai! yaha paddhati aura tarIkA eka hI vAkya meM A sakeM aisA nahIM hai / maiM samajha gayA hU~ aura ekz2ekTa usI taraha se yaha batA rahA hU~ / baiThe-baiThe dekhakara aura vaha Apake samajhane ke lie batA rahA huuN| yaha to, maiM jo dekha cukA hU~, vahI Apako batA rahA hU~ / ataH vaha saba poinTsa ko bhalI-bhAMti samajhate haiM lekina abhI to aMdara bahuta kucha samajhanA bAkI hai, kAphI kucha bAkI hai| jJAna kI khAna meM se anamola ratana kabhI-kabhI bAta nikala jAtI hai, bahuta noTa karane yogya bAta hotI hai / yoM lagatI hai ekadama sarala sIdhI lekina yaha bAta noTa karane jaisI hotI hai| taba hama bhI kahate haiM ki isa ratna kI khAna meM se yaha bahuta kImatI ratna nikalA / praznakartA : hA~, dAdA! bahuta suMdara bAta kahI / sArI ulajhaneM hI nikala gii| Ajakala jo ApakI vANI nikalatI hai na, ve bAteM ekadama se judA rakhane kI hI bAteM hotI haiM aura aMtima sAinsa kI baateN| dAdAzrI : hA~, aMtima / praznakartA : ahaMkAra kA sthAna, utpatti, kisa prakAra se alaga

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200 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) rakhanA hai, prajJA kyA karatI hai, aba dAdA usase bhI Age kI spaSTatA karate jA rahe haiN| dAdAzrI : samajha meM A gayA hai na? praznakartA : hA~ dAdA, Apa bahuta sApha-sApha, spaSTatA se samajhA rahe haiN| dAdA agara aba bhI nahIM samajheMge to hamAre jaisA mUrkha isa jagat meM koI bhI nahIM khlaaegaa| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| bAda meM milegA hI nahIM yaha... praznakartA : nahIM milegaa| dAdAzrI : itane bar3e samudra meM yaha ratna phira se nahIM milegA, agara kho gayA to... praznakartA : dAdA, mujhe to Aja aisA laga rahA thA ki hama kitane mUrkha haiM! hameM hamArA svaccha karane kI bilkula bhI nahIM par3I hai| dAdA ko hI rAta-dina hamArA yaha saba svaccha karane kI par3I hai| dAdAzrI : aura nahIM to kyA? hamArI icchA aisI hai na ki hamAre lie kucha bhI kiyA ho, usane hameM cAya pilAI ho, to use bhI lAbha ho|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna mUlabhUta bheda, jJAna-ajJAna meM praznakartA : jJAna aura ajJAna ke bIca meM besika pharka kyA hai? dAdAzrI : ajJAna bhI jJAna hai| ajJAna koI anya cIz2a nahIM hai| aisA kucha a~dherA nahIM hai| vaha bhI prakAza hai lekina vaha parAI cIjeM dikhAne vAlA prakAza hai, vizeSa prakAza hai, vizeSa ujAlA hai| bAhara kI cIz2oM ko batAne vAlA prakAza hai jabaki jJAna khuda ko prakAzita karatA hai va auroM ko bhI prakAzita karatA hai| donoM ko hI prakAzita karatA hai| aura ajJAna to, yaha nahIM jAnane detA ki, 'khuda kauna hai ?' aisA anubhava nahIM hone detA aura jJAna to khuda ko jAnane detA hai| Apako jo jJAna hai na, vaha jJAna paudgalika jJAna hai| vaha eka prakAra kA jJAna hai lekina ajJAna hai| isalie vaha sukha nahIM detA aura svAbhAvikatA nahIM A paatii| isa jagat kA jo jJAna hai, vaha to eka prAkRtika jJAna hai, use ajJAna kahA jAtA hai lekina phira bhI ajJAna ko bhI jJAna kahA hai bhagavAna ne| isa jagat ke logoM meM ajJAna hai, vaha kisake sApekSa? to AtmA ke jJAna ke AdhAra para yaha ajJAna hai lekina duniyA ke logoM ke lie to vaha jJAna hI kahalAegA na! yaha jJAna hI kahalAegA na ki 'ye mere sasura haiM!' nahIM kahalAegA? kahalAegA, lekina vaha prAkRtika jJAna hai, buddhijanya jJAna hai, vaha vizeSa jJAna hai aura mokSa ke lie kAma kA nahIM hai| usa apekSA se use ajJAna kahA gayA hai varnA logoM ko aisA nahIM kaha sakate

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202 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) na ki ajJAna hai! hama korToM meM ye sAre kesa calAte haiM to phira hama use ajJAna nahIM kaha sakate na! lekina mokSa hetu se yaha ajJAna hai| buddhi ko bhI ajJAna meM hI DAla diyA hai| AtmA khuda hI jJAna svarUpa hai, anya koI kalpita cIz2a nahIM hai vh| aura jJAna kabhI bhI ajJAna nahIM bana jAtA, jJAna jJAna hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : AvaraNa A jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, AvaraNa Ane se vaha vizeSa jJAna bana jAtA hai lekina vaha jJAna jJAna hI hai| ataH jaba mUla jJAna, zuddha jJAna hogA tabhI mokSa hai aura zuddha jJAna hI AtmA hai, vahI mokSa hai, vahI svAbhAvika sukha hai| saMsAra kA jo sArA jJAna hai, vaha vizeSa jJAna hai, AtmA ke mUla jJAna ke AdhAra para yaha ajJAna hai lekina sAMsArika loga ise jJAna kahate haiM aura phira isakA bhI ajJAna, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| yaha sAMsArika jJAna bhI jise nahIM AtA hai, usakA bhI phira ajnyaan| praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai| hama yaha jo udAharaNa dete haiM na ki kar3hI banAnA to AtA hI nahIM, isakA ajJAna hai use| dAdAzrI : use ajJAna kahA gayA hai| mUla rUpa se to yaha khuda hI ajJAna hai. lekina phira use jJAna kahA gayA hai| dekho ina logoM kA pagaDI pahanane kA ThikAnA hai? kaise bhI pagar3I bA~dha lete haiM isake bajAya ina logoM se kahanA cAhie ki 'bhAI aba pagar3I nahIM pahananI hai| hama cale apane gaaNv'| jisameM chAyA na par3e aisA ujAlA praznakartA : Apane jo kaMDizana rakhI hai na dAdA, ki ajJAna jAegA to jJAna ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, ajJAna haTegA to jJAna hogaa| a~dhere kI cAhe

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna jitanI bhI slAisa kI jAe~ to kyA eka bhI ujAle vAlI nikalegI ? ! vaha to a~dhere vAlI hI nikalegI / loga isa AzA se slAisa karate jAte haiM ki z2arA sA kucha ujAlA nikalegA, to isakA koI mIniMga hI nahIM hai n| ajJAnatA kI Apa cAhe jitanI bhI slAisa karo, usameM jJAna nahIM hogaa| 203 aura jJAna hamezA sukha detA hai, ajJAna duHkha detA hai / isa prakAra jaba taka jJAna aura ajJAna donoM eka sAtha haiM, taba taka sAMsArika hai| praznakartA : aisA ho sakatA hai ki ajJAna na jAe lekina phira bhI jJAna ho jAe ? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM ho sakatA / a~dherA nikala nahIM pAtA aura ujAlA ho nahIM pAtA / jJAna ujAlA hai| praznakartA : yoM hI udAharaNa de rahA hU~ / yahA~ baiThe haiM, yahA~ para ujAlA hai, aura sAmane a~dherA hai / arthAt a~dherA ho sakatA hai, ajJAna ho sakatA hai| ajJAna bhale hI rahe lekina agara jJAna ho jAe to isa ajJAna kA koI iphekTa nahIM rhegaa| dAdAzrI : jJAna usI ko kahate haiM ki jahA~ a~dherA raha hI na ske| yaha prakAza aisA hai ki isameM agara Ama rakhA jAe to Ama kI parachAI par3egI, usameM parachAI nahIM par3atI / AtmA kA prakAza aisA hai ki parachAI nahIM par3atI kisI cIz2a kI / arthAt isa prakAza meM Apa AkAra batA sakate ho ki 'dekho vahA~ a~dherA hai'| jabaki AtmA ke prakAza meM a~dherA nahIM raha sakatA, vaha to prakAza hai, prakAza yAnI prakAza / jJAna kauna letA hai ? praznakartA : to phira yaha jo jJAna prApta hotA hai, vaha kise hotA hai ? jar3a ko to nahIM hotA ! dAdAzrI : jise ajJAna hai usI ko hotA hai /

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204 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : lekina ajJAna ke sAtha caitanyatA hai / dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jise ajJAna hai use hotA hai / vaha kahatA hai, 'maiM', ajJAnI 'hU~' to 'use', jJAnI banA dete haiM! praznakartA : ye jJAna kise lenA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : jo bhaTaka gayA hai na, use jJAna lene kI z2arUrata hai| kauna bhaTaka gayA hai, vaha DhU~Dha nikAleMge na to patA cala jAegA hmeN| bhugata kauna rahA hai ? jo bhaTaka gayA hai, vaha / bhugatanA acchA nahIM lagatA isalie guru DhU~DhatA hai ki 'bhAI rAstA batAo na ! mujhe sTezana jAnA hai| mujhe jahA~ jAnA hai, vahA~ jAne kA rAstA nahIM mila rahA hai'| mila gayA yA nahIM milA Apako ? nahIM milA ? praznakartA : vAstava meM kyA ajJAnatA hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : vAstava meM ajJAnatA hai hI nahIM / riyAliTI meM rileTiva nahIM hotaa| yaha kyoM pUchanA par3A ? vAstavika to usI ko kahate haiM ki jahA~ para kahIM koI bhI ghoTAlA na ho / praznakartA : to phira hama jo ye jJAna de rahe haiM, vaha kise de rahe haiM? kisalie de rahe haiM / dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha jo jJAna de rahe haiM na, to jo bhaTaka gayA hai, use de rahe haiN| 'bhAI aise nahIM, aise cala / ' vaha usa sTezana para pahu~cegA to phira jJAna prakaTa ho jAegA / vAstavikatA meM A jaaegaa| praznakartA : kauna bhaTaka gayA hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI, jo bhugatatA hai vahI ! praznakartA : hama kahate haiM ki saba meM AtmA, paramAtmA haiM to phira kyA use jJAna prApta karane yA bhaTakane jaisA kucha rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, use koI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai lekina agara vaha yaha kahe ki 'mujhe aba kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai', hamezA aisA

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 205 kahe, hamezA aisA hI rahe to koI z2arUrata nahIM hai lekina vaha to phira dUsare hI dina kahatA hai, 'mujhe ciMtA ho rahI hai, mujhe krodha ho rahA hai, mujhe lobha ho rahA hai'| ataH jo du:khI hai, use duHkha se mukta karavAne ke lie kara rahe haiM! bAkI 'Apa' to mukta hI ho lekina ApakI samajha meM aisA ghusa gayA hai ki Apa duHkhI ho| bhUta ghUsa gayA hai, sirpha bhUta hI hai, usa bhUta ko nikAlanA hai| hama rAta ko yahA~ para soe hue hoM aura agara dina meM bhUta kI bAteM sunI yA par3hI hoM aura rAta ko akele soe hue hoM, taba pAsa vAle rUma meM agara pyAlA khar3ake, cUhA khar3akA de, to rAta ko sAr3he bAraha baje hamAre mana para usakA asara ho jAtA hai ki 'bhUta aayaa'| taba Dara ke mAre dekhane bhI nahIM jaate| pUrI rAta vedana karate rahate haiM aura subaha uThate hI jaba patA lagAte haiM to patA calatA hai ki cUhe ne kiyA thaa| agara vaha bhUta chaH ghaMToM ke lie itanA parezAna karatA hai to yaha jo ajJAnatA kA bhUta ghusa gayA hai, vaha anaMta janmoM taka parezAna karatA hai| varnA Apa to mukta hI ho| Apako koI baMdhana hai hI nahIM lekina Apa para vaisA asara honA caahie| vaisA anubhava honA caahie| aura sabhI saMta puruSa batAte haiN| kyA batAte haiM ? 'kAna pakar3o!' 'are bhAI, isase to dama nikala jAtA hai| merA hAtha duHkha rahA hai na! yoM pakar3avAo na siidhaa|' to sIdhA nahIM pakar3avAte kyoMki unhoMne khuda ne hI Ter3hA pakar3A huA hai| maiMne to sIdhA pakar3A huA hai isalie sIdhA pakar3avA detA huuN| kyoMki maiM dekhakara batAtA huuN| duniyA ke sabhI saMta nIce rahakara socakara batAte haiM jabaki maiM Upara rahakara binA soce A~kheM mIcakara batAtA hU~ kyoMki yaha saba maiMne anubhava kiyA hai aura Upara pahu~ca cukA huuN| Upara car3hakara yaha saba batA rahA hU~ jabaki loga nIce rahakara varNana karate haiN| usI se mAra khilavAI hai na saarii| sahI gAiDa milA hotA to yaha dazA hI nahIM hotI na! japa karavAe, tapa karavAe, are bhAI kisalie yaha saba kheta jutavAe? kheta jotA usake

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206 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) lie vApasa daMDa milatA hai| use dekhane aura jAnane AnA par3egA na! vApasa khAne jAnA par3egA aura vApasa bone jAnA pdd'egaa| nirI upAdhi, upAdhi aura upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkh)| Adhi-vyAdhi-upAdhi se mukta aisA AtmA, niraMtara samAdhi svarUpa hai! isameM 'khuda' kauna hai? 'khuda' khuda kI ajJAnatA se baMdhatA hai| 'khuda' khuda ke jJAna se hI chUTa jaaegaa| AtmA to jJAna vAlA hI hai lekina agara 'yaha' jJAna vAlA bana jAe to donoM alaga ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : to Apa 'ise' jJAna vAlA banAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : hA~, to aura kise? AtmA to Aja bhI jJAnI hI hai na! praznakartA : to kyA AvaraNa cale jAte haiM ? / dAdAzrI : AvaraNa cale jAte haiM bs| ye jo AvaraNa haiM, ve cale jAte haiM, to vyakta ho jAtA hai| jo avyakta hai vaha vyakta ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : to Apa jaba jJAna dete haiM to jJAnI kauna banatA hai ? dAdAzrI : jo ajJAnI hai, vahI jJAnI banatA hai| AtmA to jJAnI hI hai| praznakartA : ajJAnI kauna hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo baMdhA huA hai aura jo kahatA hai ki 'yaha maiM hU~ aura yaha merA hai, mujhe duHkha hai', vaha ajJAnI hai| praznakartA : to dUsarI bhASA meM aisA kahA jAegA na ki Apa azuddha cetana ko cetana banAte haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, azuddha cetana ko zuddha banA dete haiN| jo azuddha cetana hai, vaha mUla cetana nahIM hai, vaha pAvara cetana hai| hama use zuddha banA dete haiN| vaha jaba saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAtA hai to donoM alaga ho jAte haiN|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 207 praznakartA : zuddhAtmA bolane se yaha jo pAvara cetana hai usakA pAvara bar3hatA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, jo ulTA pAvara thA vaha sIdhA ho jAtA hai| ajJAna pAvara thA isalie ulTA kara rahA thA, usake bajAya vaha sIdhA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : ulTA pAvara kise rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra meM hai| jo ajJAnI vyakti hotA hai na, vaha sabakucha ulTA hI karake AtA hai| aura jaba hama jJAna dete haiM usake bAda phira kisI ne ulTA kiyA ho to bhI vaha sIdhA kara AtA hai kyoMki usakI samajha sIdhI ho gaI hai| ahaMkAra kisa taraha khatma karanA hai? praznakartA : AtmA svabhAva se kevalajJAna svarUpa hone ke bAvajUda bhI vartamAna meM ajJAnI ke rUpa meM kyoM vyavahAra karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha lokasaMjJA se vyavahAra karatA hai| yaha nahIM jAnane kI vajaha se ki sukha kisameM hai, usane bhautika meM, bAharI cIz2oM meM sukha mAna liyA hai isalie ajJAna khar3A ho gyaa| jaba patA calatA hai ki AtmA meM hI sukha hai to bAhara nahIM DhU~DhatA, taba jJAna utpanna hotA hai| ataH phira bAhara DhU~DhanA baMda kara detA hai| khuda ke svabhAva meM apAra sukha hai jabaki bAhara to sArA kalpita hai| hama kalpanA kareM, tabhI sukha AtA hai, varnA na bhI aae| praznakartA : kevalajJAna svarUpa hone ke bAvajUda bhI vaha kahA~ para bhUla kara baiThA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usane bhUla nahIM kI hai| vaha kevalajJAna svarUpa hI hai| yaha to, vijJAna se ahaMkAra khar3A ho gayA hai| vaha khuda to aMdara hI hai| aMdara to khuda kevalajJAna svarUpa hI hai| vaha bigar3atA bhI nahIM

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) aura sudharatA bhI nhiiN| usameM koI badalAva nahIM aataa| jaise ye loga sUryanArAyaNa kI upasthiti meM kAma karate haiM, usI prakAra aMdara yaha sArA kAma cala rahA hai| yaha saba AtmA kI upasthiti se cala rahA hai| aba jaba ApakA sArA ahaMkAra vilaya ho jAegA, khatma ho jAegA taba phira 'vahI' mukta ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : ahaMkAra ko kaise vilaya kareM ? 208 dAdAzrI : yahA~ mere pAsa Aoge to do ghaMToM meM vilaya kara dU~gA / bahuta sAre logoM kA ahaMkAra vilaya kara diyA hai| ajJAna kA preraka kauna ? praznakartA : yaha saMsAra ajJAna se khar3A ho gayA hai to ajJAna kA preraNA bala kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : saMyoga | praznakartA: aura jJAna kA preraNA bala kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : jJAna kA koI preraNA bala hai hI nahIM isa duniyA meM / sabakucha saMyogoM se hI hotA hai| saMyogoM se hI ajJAna utpanna hotA hai / saMyogoM se jJAna hotA hai / onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai yh| jagat kA adhiSThAna praznakartA : kyA yaha saMsAra ajJAna se khar3A ho gayA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, ajJAna se / vaha bhI sirpha svarUpa kA ajJAna / jJAna jaba vizeSa jJAna bana jAtA hai, usI ko ajJAna kahate haiM / praznakartA : isameM pUchA gayA hai ki 'adhiSThAna arthAt jisameM se vastu utpanna huI, jisameM vaha sthira rahI aura jisameM vaha laya ho gaI' / isa paribhASA ke anusAra jagat kA adhiSThAna samajhAie /

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 209 dAdAzrI : yaha sabakucha kisameM se utpanna huA hai ? arthAt vibhAvika AtmA, pratiSThita AtmA meM se utpanna huA hai aura vApasa usI meM laya ho jAtA hai aura usI meM se vApasa utpanna hotA hai aura usI meM laya ho jAtA hai| isase mUla AtmA ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| AtmA kI sirpha vibhAvika dRSTi utpanna ho gaI hai| ata: bilIpha badala gaI hai| anya kucha bhI nahIM badalA hai| jJAna bhI nahIM badalA hai aura cAritra bhI nahIM badalA hai| AtmA kA cAritra eka kSaNa bhara ke lie bhI nahIM bdltaa| jaba narka meM jAtA hai to vahA~ bhI AtmA apane khuda ke cAritra meM hI rahatA hai| aura yaha pratiSThita AtmA khuda ke narka ke cAritra meM rahatA hai| pratiSThita AtmA arthAt pratiSThA kI huI ciij'| 'hama' mUrti meM pratiSThA karate haiM na? phira vaha pratiSThA phala detI hai| ekz2ekTanesa hai| svarUpa kA ajJAna hai isakA matalaba svarUpa meM kucha idhara-udhara nahIM ho gayA hai| terA 'maiM 'panA badala gayA hai| 'vaha' cAhe kisI ke bhI dhakke se badalA yA enI ve badalA, lekina ekz2ekTa badalA hai ataH jaba vaha 'maiM 'panA apanI mUla jagaha para A jAegA to kAma ho jaaegaa| isameM kacha bhI nahIM hai| astitva to hai hI lekina tujhe vastutva kA bhAna nahIM rhaa| ataH agara terA vaha bhAna vApasa A jAe to tU usI rUpa hai| yadi AtmA ko phira se sudhAranA par3atA taba to kisI kA bhI nahIM ho paataa| jabaki loga to ise aisA samajhate haiM ki ise sahI kara deN| ve saba isI dakhala meM par3a gae haiM ki use sthira kareMge to usakI caMcalatA calI jaaegii|' donoM kA Adi vijJAna praznakartA : aba yaha jo jJAna yA ajJAna hai, ina donoM kA Adi kyA hai? dAdAzrI : donoM kA Adi vijJAna hai| mUla AtmA, vijJAnamaya aatmaa| usameM se yaha jJAna aura ajJAna, dhUpa aura chA~va, donoM zurU ho ge| use sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa milate gae isalie

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210 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha khar3e ho ge| unameM se krodha aura mAna se 'maiM' banA aura lobha aura kapaTa se 'merA' bnaa| praznakartA : ye jo vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiM, kyA isalie ajJAna utpanna ho gayA? dAdAzrI : vyatireka guNa hI ajJAna haiN| agara ve nahIM hote to kucha bhI nahIM hai| ina donoM ke milane se hI khar3A huA hai| praznakartA : vijJAna meM se jJAna aura ajJAna kaise utpanna hue? dAdAzrI : yaha vijJAna arthAt aatmaa| ye chaH vastue~ ikaTThI ho gaI, ina cha: meM se eka AtmA bhI hai, ina cha: vastuoM kA samasaraNa hotA rahatA hai, niraMtara parivartana hotA rahatA hai| parivartana meM ve milate haiM, usI se ye sAre vyatireka guNa utpanna ho ge| ataH ina chaH vastuoM ke milane se, vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae aura vyatireka guNoM se hI yaha pUrA saMsAra banA hai| chaH vastuoM ko alaga karane para vyatireka guNoM ke khatma hote hI yaha sabakucha khatma ho jaaegaa| ahaMkAra kI utpatti praznakartA : lekina agara yaha ahaMkAra nahIM hotA to Atmazodha kisa taraha se ho pAtI? sApekSa to hai hI na kucha?? dAdAzrI : vaha hotA yA nahIM hotA, yaha to ajJAnatA kA svabhAva hai ki ajJAnatA ke binA ahaMkAra khaDA hI nahIM rhtaa| jaba taka ajJAnatA thI taba taka hameM bhI ahaMkAra thaa| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kahA~ se AyA aura kise AyA? dAdAzrI : 'kahA~ se AyA aura kaba', aisA nahIM hai| jo yaha saba bhugata rahA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kise huA?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 211 dAdAzrI : jise nAsamajhI hai, use| ajJAna ko ahaMkAra ho gyaa| praznakartA : kisa cIz2a kA ajJAna? dAdAzrI : do ciijeN| ajJAna aura jnyaan| jJAna arthAt AtmA aura ajJAna arthAt anaatmaa| use ahaMkAra ho gayA, ajJAna ko| ataH ahaMkAra Ane kI vajaha se yaha saba ho gyaa| usa kAraNa rAta-dina ciMtA aura parezAnI, saMsAra meM acchA nahIM lagatA to bhI par3e rahanA par3atA hai| kahA~ jAe lekina? kahA~ jA sakatA hai ? vahIM ke vhiiN| isalie yahA~ para khaTiyA para sote rahanA par3atA hai na! nIMda nahIM Ae phira bhii| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kahA~ se utpanna huA? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hI ajJAna hai na! ajJAna aura jJAna do alaga cIjeM haiN| mAna lIjie yahA~ para agara koI bar3e seTha Ate haiM, ve seTha bahuta acchI bAteM karate haiM lekina koI agara unheM AdhA ratala brAnDI pilA de to phira ve kaisI bAteM kareMge? praznakartA : brAnDI kA saMyoga ho jAne se bAta badala jaaegii| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| ye saMyoga mile haiM na, isalie aisA saba ho gyaa| jJAna svarUpa ko saMyoga mila gayA isalie bhrAMti utpanna ho gii| jaise ki vaha seTha aisA kahatA hai na, ki 'maiM to vijayazrI jI mahArAjA hU~, aisA hU~, vaisA hU~', kahatA hai... praznakartA : dAdA! to jJAna kahA~ se utpanna huA? dAdAzrI : jJAna to utpanna hotA hI nahIM hai na! jJAna to paramAnenTa vastu hai| bAhara kI vastuoM kI vajaha se ajJAna utpanna ho gayA hai| jaise ki seTha ne madirA pI lI na, saMyoga se| ataH jaba sAre saMyogoM se chUTa jAegA to pUrI taraha mukta ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : bhAva kiyA to vaha ajJAna kA saMyoga ho gayA na use? dAdAzrI : bhAva se koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| ajJAna kA saMyoga

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212 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) nahIM miltaa| dUsare saMyoga milate haiN| madirA pI lI na? ajJAnatA hI ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : AtmA to mUla prakAza hai, anaMta zakti vAlA hai to usameM yaha ahaMkAra kahA~ se A jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : usameM kahA~ se AtA hai ? ajJAnatA khuda hI ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : agara AvaraNa A jAe to bhI harja kyA hai? vaha khuda to jAnatA hI hai na ki 'maiM prakAza huuN'| dAdAzrI : usase kucha nahIM hogaa| ahaMkAra ko kyA lAbha hai? jaba taka ahaMkAra ko mIThA nahIM lagatA taba taka vaha yaha nahIM kahegA ki 'yaha zakkara hai' ataH ahaMkAra kA niber3A lAnA hai| AtmA kA niber3A to hai hii| jJAna, sva-para prakAzaka praznakartA : Apako AtmA kI anubhUti huI, AtmA kA jJAna huaa| aba Apa auroM ko AtmA kA jJAna dete haiM kyoMki dAdA khuda AtmajJAnI haiM na! logoM ko AtmA-ajJAnI mAnakara dete haiM yA jJAnI mAnakara? dAdAzrI : ajJAnI maankr| praznakartA : AtmA to vyApaka hai, ekarUpa hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM! usa AtmA ko to hama dekhate haiM aura ajJAnI ko bhI dekhate haiN| donoM ko alaga-alaga dekhate haiN| jise krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha aura jalana hai, vaha ajJAnI hai aura jise jalana nahIM hai, vaha jJAnI hai| praznakartA : isakA matalaba yaha huA ki jAgRti isa ajJAna ke jJAna ko bhI jAnatI hai| ataH jJAnI una donoM kA dRSTA banatA hai, ajJAna ke jJAna kA aura jJAna ke jJAna kaa|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna dAdAzrI : donoM kA / jJAnI donoM ko jAnatA hai / sva para prakAzaka / sva arthAt jJAna ko jAnatA hai aura para arthAt ajJAna ko jAnatA hai, khuda sva-para prakAzaka hai isalie isameM koI kamI nahIM rahatI / aura ajJAnI sirpha para ko hI prakAzita karatA hai, vaha sva ko prakAzita nahIM karatA / jJAna sahaja hai, socA huA nahIM socane se, jo-jo karma socakara kie jAte haiM, unase ajJAna utpanna hotA hai aura nirvicAra se jJAna utpanna hotA hai / vaha sahaja hotA hai ! soce hue ko jJAna nahIM kahate / vicAra arthAt vaha sArA mRta jJAna kahalAtA hai aura yaha jo sahaja hai, vaha vijJAna kahalAtA hai / vaha cetana hotA hai, kAryakArI hotA hai aura socA huA sArA hI ajJAna kahalAtA hai, jJAna nahIM kahalAtA aura vaha kriyAkArI nahIM hotA, pariNAmita nahIM hotA / phira kahate haiM ki 'maiM jAnatA hU~ lekina ho nahIM pAtA, maiM jAnatA hU~ lekina ho nahIM paataa'| apane Apa gAtA rahatA hai / Apane aisA kucha sunA hai kisI vyakti ko aisA kahate hue ? praznakartA : kaI loga aisA kahate haiM / dAdAzrI : sabhI kahate haiM, yahI kahate haiM / jAnA huA avazya honA hI cAhie aura yadi nahIM hotA hai to samajhanA ki isane jAnA hI nahIM / aura socA huA jJAna, jJAna nahIM khlaataa| vaha to jar3a jJAna kahalAtA hai| jo jar3a vicAroM meM se utpanna hotA hai, vaha to jar3a hai / vicAra hI jar3a haiN| 213 praznakartA : jJAna sahaja rUpa se AtA hai yA sahaja rUpa se hotA hai, to usakA kyA kAraNa hai ? dAdAzrI : usane pahale pichale janmoM kA jo sArA mAla bharA huA hai na, vaha saba samajha - samajhakara bharA hai / vaha sahaja rUpa se utpanna hotA hai| samajhakara aura jAnakara aMdara bharA hai / socakara jAnA huA kAma meM nahIM aataa| agara samajhakara bharA huA ho to kAma AtA hai|

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214 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : to jo samajhakara bharA huA ho vaha sahaja rUpa se A jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : sahaja rUpa se A jAe tabhI vaha vijJAna kahalAegA, nahIM to vaha vijJAna kahalAegA hI nhiiN| z2arUrI hai 'baMdhana kA jJAna' honA abhI taka to jAnate nahIM haiM ki 'maiM baMdhana meM A gayA huuN'| jaba aisA jAne ki 'maiM baMdhana meM hU~', taba samajhanA ki isa vyakti meM kucha ucca samajhadArI hai| jaba se jAnane lagatA hai ki 'baMdhana meM hU~, tabhI se vaha mukti kI ArAdhanA karane lagatA hai| nahIM to karegA hI nahIM na! yaha na to baMdhana meM AyA hai, na hI mukta huA hai| na to isameM koI phAyadA uThA sakA, na hI mokSamArga meM A skaa| na saMsAra acchA dikhAI diyA, saMsAra meM behada Adhi-vyAdhi-upAdhi aura na hI mokSamArga kI bAta huii| ___ hiMdustAna meM eka bhI vyakti, jJAna to bhale hI eka tarapha rahA lekina agara ajJAna bhI jAna sake to, maiM usake darzana karane ko taiyAra huuN| abhI taka koI ajJAna ko bhI saMpUrNa rUpa se nahIM jAna sakA hai kyoMki jo ajJAna ko saMpUrNa rUpa se jAna le, vaha usake sAmane vAle kinAre para rahe jJAna ko samajha jaaegaa| jaise agara gehU~ ko pahacAna le to kaMkar3oM ko samajha jAegA aura agara kaMkar3a ko pahacAna le to gehU~ ko pahacAna jaaegaa| donoM ko nahIM sIkhanA par3egA, eka ko hI sIkhanA pdd'egaa| paudgalika jJAna ko ajJAna kahA jAtA hai aura AtmajJAna ko jJAna kahA jAtA hai| yadi pudgala kA pUrA jJAna nahIM hogA to AtmA kA jJAna nahIM ho pAegA kyoMki usameM galataphahamI ho jAtI hai| ataH donoM ko milAvaTa rahita banAne ke lie donoM jJAna kI z2arUrata hai| sirpha AtmA hI milAvaTa rahita nahIM bana sktaa| yadi pudgala kA jJAna nahIM hogA to phira thor3A-bahuta milAvaTa vAlA ho jaaegaa|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna praznakartA : jisa vajaha se hama isa saMsAra meM Ae haiM, kyA vahI kAraNa hameM mokSa meM nahIM le jAegA ? 215 dAdAzrI : nahIM! saMsAra meM lAne vAlA kAraNa alaga thA / yaha kAraNa alaga hai| saMsAra meM lAne vAlA kAraNa ajJAnatA thI aura jJAna se isa tarapha mokSa meM jAte haiM / ajJAna se saMsAra kI tarapha cale the, aba jJAna se dUsarI tarapha arthAt mokSa meM jAe~ge / ataH ajJAna se jitanA cale the, palaTakara vApasa utanA hI calanA par3egA / yadi ulaTe nahIM cale hote to vApasa lauTanA nahIM par3atA / to jina-jina galiyoM meM se hokara Ae the una sabhI galiyoM meM se hokara vApasa lauTanA pdd'egaa| ataH ajJAna se jagat utpanna huA thA, khuda ke svarUpa kA ajJAna / 'maiM kauna hU~', vaha bhUla gayA, usakA bhAna calA gyaa| aba use aisA bhAna karavAte haiM ki 'maiM kauna hU~' to phira alaga hotA jAtA I mAyA kA sahI svarUpa praznakartA : mAyA kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : mAyA arthAt jo vastu jisa svarUpa meM hai usa svarUpa meM nahIM dikhakara, alaga hI svarUpa meM dikhAI de / hameM bhulAve meM DAla de| use eka zabda meM kahA jAegA, mAyA arthAt nija svarUpa kI ajJAnatA / ajJAna kI vajaha se hI yaha sArI mAyA dikhAI detI hai / svarUpa kA ajJAna hai isalie mAyA utpanna ho gaI hai| svarUpa kA ajJAna calA jAe to mAyA calI jaaegii| bAkI, jo mUla svarUpa meM na dikhakara anya svarUpa meM dikhAI detA hai, vaha kahalAtI hai mAyA / yaha pudgala mUla svarUpa meM aisA nahIM hai| pudgala kA mUla svarUpa bahuta suMdara aura acchA hai lekina pudgala to anya hI svarUpa meM dikhAI detA hai / mAyA darzanIya nahIM hai, vaha bhAsyamAna pariNAma hai / mAyA matalaba ajJAnatA, anya kucha bhI nahIM / praznakartA : ajJAnatA kI vajaha se hI mAyA hai na ?

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216 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : ajJAnatA kI vajaha se hI mAyA hai| ataH mAyA koI cIz2a nahIM hai, ajJAnatA hI mukhya cIz2a hai| usakA phAunDezana ajJAnatA hai| pUre jagat kI phAunDezana ajJAnatA hI hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra ko ajJAnatA kI phAunDezana mAnA jA sakatA dAdAzrI : nahIM, ahaMkAra nahIM, ajJAnatA hI phAunDezana hai| rUTa kaoNz2a ajJAnatA hI hai| cAhe kitanA bhI ahaMkAra ho usameM harja nahIM hai, lekina yadi ajJAna gayA to sabakucha gyaa| praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA hai ki mAyA darzanIya nahIM hai lekina bhAsyamAna hai| isakA kyA matalaba hai? dAdAzrI : bhAsyamAna kA matalaba yaha ki sirpha AbhAsa hI hotA hai, vaha darzanIya nahIM hai| praznakartA : darzanIya nahIM hai isakA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha dikhAI nahIM detii| aisA lagatA hai ki dikhAI de rahI hai, AbhAsa hI hai sirpha! praznakartA : yaha jo sArA pudgala dikhAI detA hai, kyA vaha mAyA nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : mAyA alaga cIz2a hai| pudgala aura mAyA kA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| mAyA to eka prakAra kI mAnyatA hai| logoM ne mAnyatA rakhI isalie vaisA AbhAsa hotA hai ki yaha bhagavAna kI mAyA hai| bAkI, bhagavAna kI mAyA nahIM hotii| yaha to sirpha ajJAnatA hI hai ! mAyA para to logoM ne kitane-kitane vivaraNa likhe haiM! bahuta-bahuta likhA gayA hai| isa mAyA ne to logoM kA tela nikAla diyA hai na! mAyA kitanI viSama hai lekina usakA rUTa kaoNz2a kyA hai ? ajnyaantaa| ajJAnatA calI jAe to sabakucha calA jAegA!

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 217 mukhya vastu svarUpa kI ajJAnatA arthAt mAyA hI hai aura agara vaha ajJAnatA calI jAegI to phira jaisA hai vaisA dikhAI degaa| basa, isa ajJAnatA se hI sabakucha ulTA dikhAI detA hai| yathArtha svarUpa ajJAna kA praznakartA : ajJAna kA svarUpa kyA hai aura vaha kahA~ se AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : saMsAra meM ApakA nAma 'caMdUbhAI' rakhA gayA aura phira Apane mAna bhI liyaa| 'caMdUbhAI' nAma galata nahIM hai| 'caMdUbhAI' to pahacAnane kA sAdhana hai lekina Apane use sahI mAna liyA, vaha ajJAna hai| roMga bilIpha kahalAtI hai vaha aura phira 'isa beTe kA phAdara hU~, isakA mAmA hU~, isakA cAcA hU~, isakA phUphA hU~, isakA dAdA hU~', bolo! kitanI sArI roMga bilIpheM baiTha gaI haiM? aba ye roMga bilIpheM pUrA ajJAna kA hI svarUpa hai, hama roMga bilIphoM meM par3e hue haiN| hameM kisa cIz2a kI z2arUrata hai? roMga bilIpheM duHkhadAyI ho gaI haiM, isalie hama khuda DhU~Dha rahe haiM kyoMki mUlataH apanA svabhAva sukhiyA hai ataH vApasa mUla svarUpa meM Ane ke bAda yaha sukha mahasUsa hogaa| ye roMga bilIpheM arthAt Ter3he cale haiM hm| ataH hama ina roMga bilIphoM ko phrekcara kara dete haiM aura rAiTa bilIpha biThA dete haiN| rAiTa bilIpha ko samyak darzana kahA jAtA hai aura samyak darzana, samyak jJAna, samyak cAritra se mokSa hai| samyak darzana arthAt yaha jo Ter3hA dekhate ho, use hama sIdhA dikhA dete haiM, dRSTi badala dete haiN| ajJAna kA svarUpa Apako samajha meM A gayA na acchI taraha se? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aba usake sAmane kI tarapha jJAna kA svarUpa hai| jisa prakAra se uttara-dakSiNa Amane-sAmane haiM usI taraha ajJAna ke sAmane yaha jJAna kA svarUpa hai| Apa caMdUbhAI ho, aisA to Apa apanI taraha se jAnate ho na?

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218 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : kisI ne kahA thaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina kahe hue jJAna kA kyA karanA hai? jAnA huA jJAna honA caahie| praznakartA : dAdA, lekina agara kahA gayA hai to vaha sahI hI kahA hogA na! dAdAzrI : usa para vizvAsa hai, isIlie na! isa kahe hue jJAna se jagat cala rahA hai aura jAne hue jJAna se mokSa meM jAte haiN| praznakartA : jJAna arthAt jo sirpha jAnA huA hai, vahI jJAna kahalAtA dAdAzrI : basa, vAstava meM hama jo haiM, zuddhAtmA haiM, vaha jAnA huA, anubhava kiyA huA, vahI jJAna hai| praznakartA : bAkI sabakucha kahA huA hI hai ? dAdAzrI : kahA huA jJAna hai| ApakA nAma caMdUbhAI hai, aisA Apane kahA~ se jAnA? isakI puSTi kaise huI? to kahate haiM ki 'bUA ne rakha diyaa'| basa itanA hI jAnatA hai vaha, ataH yaha kahA huA jJAna hai| praznakartA : aura AtmA kA jJAna anubhava kiyA huA hai| dAdAzrI : jo anubhava kiyA huA jJAna hai vaha mokSa meM le jAtA hai aura ye kahA huA jJAna saMsAra meM bhaTakAtA hai| AdhAra detA hai ajJAna ko... mUlataH to anAtha hai aura phira khuda hI use AdhAra detA hai| AdhArI bana jAtA hai aura 'khuda' hI ajJAna ko AdhAra detA hai| maiM hI caMdUlAla hU~, mujhe nahIM pahacAnA? are bhAI, ise kyoM AdhAra de rahA hai? yaha to ajJAna hai ! usI ko AdhAra detA rahatA hai jabaki hameM yaha jJAna prApta huA to ajJAna nirAdhAra huA ki khtm| halA mAnahI pahacAna

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 219 yaha jagat AdhAra kI vajaha se khar3A hai| khuda hI AdhAra detA hai| yadi AdhAra nahIM degA to yaha jagat gira jaaegaa| isa jJAna kI prApti ke bAda 'maiM 'panA, 'maiM' meM baiTha gayA ataH ajJAna nirAdhAra ho gayA, usakA AdhAra khisaka gyaa| ataH phira ajJAna calA jAtA hai| AdhAra kI vajaha se yaha saba khar3A hai| jo ajJAna nirAdhAra huA hai, use hama AdhAra de rahe the ki maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM zAha hU~, maiM jaina hU~, maiM phalAnA hU~, maiM phalAnA huuN| maiM sattara sAla kA, sATha sAla kA hU~, pacAsa sAla kA hU~, sAre sAla bhI khuda ke hI haiN| vaha AdhAra de rahe the| vaha sArA AdhAra nirAdhAra hokara gira par3A, apane Apa hii| isa sAre ajJAna aura bhrAMti ko hamane AdhAra dekara hI khar3A rakhA huA hai| jaba jJAna diyA taba maiMne kahA, 'AdhAra chor3a do| ataH nirAdhAra hokara gira jAtA hai sbkuch| praznakartA : usake bAda to phira sirpha AtmA kA hI AdhAra rahatA hai na! dAdAzrI : nhiiN| 'khuda' hI rahe phir| hama kisI cIz2a ko AdhAra dene vAle rahe hI nhiiN| pahale to AdhAra dene vAle the na, isalie bhrAMti thii| aba AdhAra dene vAle cale gae, nirAdhAra ho gayA sabakucha, gira gayA ekadama se! ataH ajJAna nirAdhAra ho gayA to ajJAna calA gyaa| ataH bAkI bacA sirpha prakAza hI aura vaha bhI phira sva-para prkaash| jo Apako bhI prakAzita karatA hai aura caMdUbhAI ko kyA-kyA huA, use bhI prakAzita karatA hai| para vastu ko prakAzita karatA hai khuda apane Apa ko bhI prakAzita karatA hai, jJAna prakAza! dhanya hai na vItarAga vijJAna ko! pharka hai bhrAMti aura ajJAnatA meM praznakartA : bhrAMti aura ajJAnatA meM pharka hai kyA? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai bhrAMti aura ajJAnatA meN|

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220 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : bhrAMti kise kahA gayA hai? ajJAna kise kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : jisakA janma ajJAna meM se huA hai, vaha bhrAMti hai| ajJAna meM se bahuta cIz2oM kA janma hotA hai, unameM se eka DAlI isa bhrAMti kI bhI phUTatI hai| praznakartA : ise z2arA udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na! dAdAzrI : bhrAMti to, jisane yaha jJAna liyA hai na, use bhrAMti nahIM rahatI lekina agara vaha bhI itanI sI brAnDI pI le to bhrAMti ho jaaegii| nahIM hogI? praznakartA : hA~, ho jaaegii| dAdAzrI : usa vajaha se kahIM aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki ajJAna ho gayA lekina kyA phira aisA kahegA ki 'maiM caMdabhAI ha~'? phira vaha kahegA, 'maiMne hI kiyA hai yh| lo, jo ho sake vaha kara lo'| kahegA yA nahIM kahegA? vaha bhrAMti kahalAtI hai| loga kaheMge ki 'ise bhrAMti ho gaI hai'| ajJAnatA meM se utpanna hone vAlI cIz2a hai yh| praznakartA : yaha to maiM bhrAMti aura ajJAnatA ke bIca pharka pUcha rahA thaa| dAdAzrI : isameM bhrAMti to ajJAnatA kA eka bhAga hai| usameM se jJAna hote-hote to bahuta dera lagatI hai| vaha bhrAMti calI jAe taba bhI aisA kahA jAegA ki ajJAna kA kucha bhAga kama ho gyaa| to aba bhrAMti calI gaI isakA matalaba yaha nahIM ki jJAna ho gyaa| Apako to sirpha, aisI eka pratIti hI huI hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| aba jJAna ke lie, jaba dUsare sAdhana mileMge taba jJAna hogaa| yaha Apako samyak darzana huA hai| aba samyak jJAna hone kI zuruAta ho gaI hai| yahI mArga hai| Apako z2abaradastI lAdA gayA, eka vAkya nahIM clegaa| usI ko hiMsA kahate haiM na! kisI cIz2a ko z2abaradastI kisI para lAdanA, vaha to hiMsA kahI jaaegii| mAnyatAe~ sahI hoM yA galata, donoM prakAra kI ho sakatI haiM jabaki darzana sirpha satya hI hotA hai|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 221 praznakartA : mAne hue jJAna aura jAne hue jJAna meM kyA pharka hai ? dAdAzrI : jAnA huA jJAna anubhava sahita hotA hai aura mAnA huA arthAt zakkara mIThI hai, aisA tU mAna letA hai lekina mIThI kA matalaba kyA samajhA? aura jAnA huA arthAt phira se tujhe pUchanA hI na pdd'e| zakkara maMgavAe~ abhI? anubhava karanA hai? karake dekha na, zakkara kA anubhava kara liyA hai ? to phira harja nahIM hai| vaha sirpha mAnA hai usakA anubhava nahIM kiyA? 'zakkara mIThI hai', aisA mAnA aura cakhane para use jAnA aura anubhava kiyaa| kyA AyA huA jJAna calA jAegA? praznakartA : kyA samajha aura jJAna Akara vApasa cale jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : jo calA jAe use jJAna nahIM kahA jaaegaa| samajha Ane ke bAda jA sakatI hai lekina jJAna nahIM jaataa| praznakartA : ajJAnatA aura galataphahamI eka hI cIz2a hai yA alaga? dAdAzrI : galataphahamI to ho jAtI hai aura bAda meM samajha se nikala jAtI hai lekina ajJAnatA nahIM jaatii| galataphahamI kI gA~Tha to par3ane ke bAda vApasa khula jAtI hai| hamArI vaha gA~Tha to koI nikAla degA lekina ajJAnatA to jJAnIpuruSa ke binA nahIM jA sktii| praznakartA : ajJAna kisa taraha se nikala sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnI ke pAsa jAne se ajJAna nikala jAtA hai| yadi hama jJAnI ke pAsa jAe~ aura hamArA ajJAna nahIM nikale to phira vaha jJAnI hai hI nhiiN| yaha usakA pramANa hai| isalie aisA kahA gayA hai na ki jJAna jJAnI se hI prApta honA cAhie! praznakartA : ina sabhI kI jar3a ajJAna hai yA moha ? dAdAzrI : ajJAna meM se hI moha AtA hai| ajJAna jitanA kama hotA jAtA hai na, utanA hI moha kama ho gayA, aisA kahA jaaegaa| isakI

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) jar3a ajJAna hai, ghora a~dherA / aura usake bAda moha vagairaha to usake vibhAjana haiN| 222 AtmajJAna prApti ho jAe, tabhI se moha ke aMza kama hote jAte haiM lekina AtmajJAna ke koI aMza nahIM hote / AtmajJAna sarvAMza hai / moha kama hotA hai to usa moha ke aMza hote haiM / jJAna kA aMta hai, ajJAna kA nahIM praznakartA: jJAna kA koI aMta hai yA uttarottara usakA gherA bar3hatA hI jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ajJAna kA aMta nahIM hai / yaha aMta kisakA nahIM hai ? ajJAna kA aMta AtA hI nahIM hai / usakA chora hI nahIM hai| jJAna to aMta vAlA hI hotA hai / phAinala ho hI jAnA caahie| varnA phAinala hone ke bAda to, maiM aisA kahatA hU~ ki maiMne phAinala kI parIkSA de dI hai, usa phAinala meM phela huA hU~ lekina parIkSA to de hI dI hai na phAinala kI ? ataH phAinala limiTa hai to sahI / yadi uttarottara usakA gherA bar3hatA hI jAe taba to phira vaha jJAna hI nahIM khlaaegaa| ajJAna hI khlaaegaa| yaha jo vyavahAra meM cala rahA hai na, vaha ajJAna hai, jJAna kalpita rUpa meM hai / hai ajJAna lekina jJAna kauna se rUpa meM hai ? kalpita / kitane hI kalcarDa hIre ke hAra hote haiM na, yoM kalcarDa motI kI mAlA hotI hai aura use hama saca mAna leM, usa jaisI cIz2a hai| jJAna to aMta vAlA hai / usakA vistAra bar3hatA nahIM jAtA / praznakartA : to phira pUrNatA kA matalaba kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : pUrNatA arthAt jisakA aMta A jAe, vaha pUrNa jJAna kahalAtA hai aura jisakA aMta hI nahIM AtA, vaha ajJAna kahalAtA hai| hama calate hI jAe~ lekina agara maMz2ila taka na pahu~ceM, to vaha kauna sA

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 223 rAstA kahalAegA? rAstA galata hai na? to anaMta janmoM se yaha jAnA hai, isase bhI hAi levala kA jJAna jAnA thaa| yaha to balki abhI lo levala (nimna stara para) meM A gae haiM, hAi levala kA Apane lAbha nahIM uThAyA to isa lo levala kA kyA lAbha uThAoge? eka bAra rAjA kA dIvAna banatA hai aura dUsarI bAra AdivAsI banatA hai| aisA hai yaha jagat ! AdivAsI meM jaba kharAba sIz2ana meM cAvala ugate haiM to khuzI se jhUma uThatA hai aura dIvAna ko to cAhe kitanA hI sonA deM taba bhI vaha khuza nahIM hotA lekina phira hai to vahI kA vahI jIva / vahA~ jAe to vahA~ ke saMyogoM ke anusAra bana jAtA hai| ajJAna ke AdhAra para rukA hai mokSa praznakartA : aba kyA yaha zarIra anaMta kAla taka rahegA? dAdAzrI : khuda ke svarUpa kA ajJAna hai, isIlie yaha zarIra hai| ajJAna calA jAegA to yaha vyavahAra bhI chUTa jAegA aura zarIra bhI chUTa jaaegaa| praznakartA : arthAt yaha 'maiM' vAstava meM ajJAnatA se utpanna huA hai? dAdAzrI: yaha sArA ajJAnatA se hI hai| yaha sArA ajJAnatA kA hI pariNAma hai| aMdhere kI vajaha se hI loga duHkha bhugata rahe haiM, varnA duHkha to kahIM hotA hogA? jahA~ para ujAlA hai, prakAza hai, vahA~ para duHkha nahIM hai| jahA~ aMdherA hai, vahIM para duHkha hai isIlie isa prakAza kI hI bAteM karate haiN| hama pUre dina kisakI bAteM karate haiM? kisa prakAra se prakAza utpanna ho, usI kI bAteM calatI rahatI haiN| praznakartA : to phira ajJAnatA bhI anAdikAla se hai? dAdAzrI : yaha saba anAdikAla se hai, jaba se haiM tabhI se, yaha sArA ajJAna anAdikAla se hI calA AyA hai lekina jaba yaha jJAna milatA hai taba isakA aMta A jAtA hai|

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224 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jagat ke pAsa hai, buddhijanya jJAna! logoM ke pAsa jJAna zabda hai hI nahIM na! eka akSara bhI jJAna nahIM hai| pUre jagat meM jJAna nahIM hai| jJAna zabda lAe~ge kahA~ se? isalie mu~ha se kahate z2arUra haiM ki, 'mujhe jJAna hai, mujhe jJAna hai' lekina vaha yaha nahIM samajhatA ki jJAna kise kahate haiM ? khuda kahate z2arUra hai, jagat meM bahuta se loga kahate haiM, 'jnyaan'| praznakartA : Apa jise jJAna kahate haiM, vaha aura jagat jise jJAna kahatA hai, usameM kyA bheda hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, jagat jise jJAna kahatA hai na, vaha jJAna hai hI nhiiN| vaha samajhAtA hU~ aapko| pahale suna lo na! vaha jJAna kyoM nahIM hai? isa jagat meM buddhi hai| pUrA jagat buddhi meM hI hai| jJAna meM nahIM paraMtu buddhi meN| pUre jagat ke tamAma sabjekTsa ko jAnatA hai lekina vaha jJAna nahIM hai| 'vaha saba jJAna hai', aisA nahIM kahA jAegA, use buddhi kheNge| sirpha khuda kA svarUpa, 'maiM kauna hU~', itanA hI jAna le to use jJAna kahA jaaegaa| kriyA vAlA jJAna, hai mAtra ajJAna ataH yaha sArA bhrAMtijanya jJAna hai| isakI bajAya agara kucha nayA jJAna jAnanA ho aura jo vAstavika, yathArtha jJAna hai, jo tInoM kAla meM vaisA hI rahatA hai, vaha jJAna hai jabaki yaha bhrAMtijanya jJAna to badalatA hI rahatA hai| koI Disiz2ana nahIM AtA aura virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai, vaha indriya jJAna hai| atIndriya jJAna hI jJAna kahalAtA hai| jahA~ para indriyoM kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'tii| jahA~ para mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra kAma nahIM karate, vahA~ para atIndriya jJAna hai| praznakartA : z2arA samajhanA hai ki yaha jo kriyA vAlA jJAna hai, vaha kyA kahalAtA hai?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 225 dAdAzrI : vaha ajJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : aura vaha aham se utpanna hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : hN| yaha saba jo cala rahA hai, vaha jJAna, duniyA meM jo cala rahA hai vaha kriyA vAlA jJAna hai| praznakartA : aura jo apane aMdara kI kriyAe~ haiM, mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra kI, unakA AdhAra bhI ajJAna hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hN| vahI kriyA vAlA jJAna hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~', vaha kriyA hai aura usakA jo jJAna hai, vaha sArA jJAna bhI ajJAna hai aura vaha kriyA bhI ajJAna... praznakartA : ahaMkAra vAlA jJAna, vaha eka prakAra kI jAnakArI hI huI na? to jAnakArI aura jJAna meM kyA pharka hai ? dAdAzrI : sArI jAnakArI vinAzI hotI haiM aura ve TemparerI eDajasTamenTa haiM! jJAna avinAzI hotA hai| __ praznakartA : arthAt usake pAsa jo jJAna hai, vaha jJAna usake lie to kriyAkArI hI hai na! vaha usI anusAra vyavahAra karatA hai, usI anusAra bolatA hai, usI anusAra socatA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina usake sAtha ahaMkAra hai na! praznakartA : kriyAkArI kA artha kyA batAyA? isa cetana jJAna ko kriyAkArI kahA... dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hai tabhI usase kriyA ho skegii| kriyAkArI hai, lekina agara ahaMkAra hai tabhI ho sakegI, varnA nahIM ho skegii| jabaki jJAna to apane Apa hI, khuda apane Apa hI kriyA karatA hai| cetana jJAna svayaM kriyAkArI hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai| agara ahaMkAra hogA tabhI yaha vizeSa jJAna kriyAkArI hogaa|

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226 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : varnA nhiiN| ataH isa vizeSa jJAna meM ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata hai| hameM yaha jJAna jAna lenA haiM ki 'maiM khuda kauna huuN'| phira vaha jJAna apane Apa hI kAma karatA rhegaa| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| jJAna hI kAma karatA rhegaa| hameM to kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| jAna lenA hai aura samajha lenA hai| sthiti taba kI, jaba sUrata sTezana para jJAna huA thA praznakartA : Apane kahA ki 1958 meM Apako sUrata sTezana para jJAna huA thaa| usase pahale ApakI sthiti kyA thI? dAdAzrI : are! ahaMkArI, pAgala sthiti, baMdhana vaalaa| usa baMdhana dazA ko maiMne dekhA hai| mujhe aisA dhyAna meM hai ki baMdhana dazA aisI hotI hai aura isa mukta dazA ke bhAna ko bhI maiM jAnatA huuN| praznakartA : vaha jJAna Apako kisa prakAra se huA? dAdAzrI : vaha to sabhI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa, sabhI saMyoga ikaTThe ho gae the| ikaTThe hote haiM taba ho jAtA hai| vaha kisI ko hI hotA hai, varnA nahIM hotaa| vaha cIz2a nahIM ho sktii| aisA ho jAegA, aisA to maiMne socA hI nahIM thaa| praznakartA : jaba Apako jJAna huA thA, usa samaya kI sthiti ke bAre meM kucha batAe~ge hameM? dAdAzrI : sthiti to yahI kI yhii| usakA koI tarIkA-varIkA nahIM hotaa| are... aMdara AvaraNa TUTa jAte haiN| aMdara AvaraNa khula jAte haiN| Apa ulajhana meM par3e hue hoM taba aMdara sUjha par3atI hai yA nahIM par3atI? AvaraNa TUTate haiM isIlie sUjha par3a jAtI hai| usI prakAra jaba ye AvaraNa TUTa gae to ina saba bAtoM kA patA cala gayA ki, 'yaha jagat kauna calAtA hai, kisa taraha calatA hai, maiM kauna hU~, ye kauna hai'| to jitanA batAyA jA sakatA hai, utanA hI batA rahA huuN| bAkI saba to anubhava hai, use jaba

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 227 Apa khuda dekhoge tb| bAkI to vANI hai hI nahIM vahA~ para, vyakta karane ke lie vANI nahIM hai ataH abhI to 'maiM kauna ha~' itanA jAna liyA to sabhI kucha ho gyaa| kamplITa ! phula ho gyaa| praznakartA : usakA anubhava zuddhAtmA ko huA yA pudgala ko huA, kise huA vaha anubhava? dAdAzrI : vaha anubhava, khuda ne khuda ko hI jAnA, anya kucha nhiiN| anya ko 'maiM' mAnatA thA, to khuda apane Apa ko hI jAnA ki 'maiM yaha hU~, yaha nhiiN'| alaga ho gyaa| AtmA : svAdhIna-parAdhIna praznakartA : to phira yaha batAie ki AtmA svAdhIna hai yA parAdhIna? dAdAzrI : svAdhIna bhI hai aura parAdhIna bhI hai| ajJAna ke AdhAra para parAdhIna hai aura jJAna ke AdhAra para svAdhIna hai| puruSa puruSArtha sahita hai varnA taba taka puruSArtha nAmaka koI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| vaha bhrAMta puruSArtha hai, vaha bhI eviDensa ke AdhAra pr| naimittika ke AdhAra para hai| ataH jJAna prApti ke bAda jo puruSArtha karate haiM, vaha puruSa hone ke bAda kA puruSArtha hai| usake bAda AtmA svAdhIna hai| praznakartA : jJAna ho jAe aura AtmA svAdhIna hI hai to phira AtmA ko kucha karane kA rahatA hI nhiiN| agara ajJAna hai aura parAdhIna hai to parAdhIna kucha kara nahIM sakatA, to AtmA ko kyA karanA hai, vaha samajha meM hI nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : jJAna ho jAne ke bAda AtmA puruSArtha hI karatA hai| praznakartA : puruSArtha ke binA jJAna nahIM ho sakatA na? ginatI sIkhane ke lie bhI puruSArtha karanA par3atA hai aura Apa kahate haiM ki jJAna ke bAda hI puruSArtha ho sakatA hai to vaha kisa prakAra se?

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228 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : jJAna ke bAda hI puruSArtha ho sakatA hai| praznakartA : use pahale puruSArtha kI z2arUrata nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : parasattA meM puruSArtha ho hI nahIM sakatA n| jo niraMtara parasattA meM hI jI rahA hai, usa becAre ke lie kyA puruSArtha? kahanA ho to bhI use bhrAMti kA puruSArtha kahanA par3egA ki 'bhAI, tU kisa AdhAra para Age bar3ha rahA hai? vaha to naimittika puruSArtha hai, bhrAMta puruSArtha hai'| praznakartA : ajJAna meM jise puruSArtha mAnA hai, vaha naimittika puruSArtha hai? dAdAzrI : vaha bhI puruSArtha nahIM hai| ajJAna meM to usakA use bhAna hI nahIM hai| zAyada hI koI vyakti samajhatA hogA ki ise puruSArtha kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : yadi ajJAna dazA meM puruSArtha nahIM hai to AtmA ko kisake bala para jJAna hotA hai? ajJAna meM se jJAna meM AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : puNya ke bala pr| puNyAnubaMdhI puNya se jJAnIpuruSa milate haiM aura jJAnI kI kRpA se jJAna prApta ho jAtA hai| jJAna hone ke bAda hI puruSArtha ho sakatA hai, pahale ho hI nahIM sktaa| usase pahale bhrAMti hI rahatI hai| puruSa ho jAne ke bAda hI puruSArtha ho sakatA hai| prakRti aura puruSa donoM alaga ho jAte haiN| jJAna hone ke bAda puruSArtha zurU hotA hai aura taba taka prakRti aura puruSa donoM ekAkAra haiN| jaba taka tanmayAkAra hai taba taka bhrAMti hai| 'khuda' kyA hai? praznakartA : sinemA dekhane jAnA ho to jaldI se cale jAte haiM lekina yahA~ satsaMga meM AnA ho to jaldI nahIM A paate| dAdAzrI : usakA kyA kAraNa hai ? praznakartA : kyA vaisA hI nirmANa huA hogA?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 229 dAdAzrI : sinemA meM mana sahayoga detA hai isalie phira vaha slipa ho jAtA hai| vaha nIce adhogati meM jAtA hai| vaha acchA lagatA hai| helpa nahIM karatA na, yoM hI slipa hotA jAtA hai| car3hane meM mehanata, dhyeyapUrvaka jAne meM mehanata karanI par3atI hai jabaki yahA~ nIce jAne meM slipa hotA jAtA hai| utaranA nahIM pdd'taa| slipa hI ho jAtA hai apane Apa hI slipa ho jAtA hai| Apako kabhI slipa nahIM kiyA hogA na, kiyA hai ? praznakartA : aisA hotA hai na ki saMyogAdhIna na A pAe~! dAdAzrI : lekina ve saMyoga kisake adhIna haiM ? Apa to kahakara chUTa gae ki saMyogoM ke adhIna nahIM A paae| bAta bhI sahI hai, sau pratizata sahI hai lekina saMyoga kisake adhIna hai? praznakartA : apane karmoM ke adhIna haiN| dAdAzrI : to karma kisake adhIna hai ? praznakartA : Apa samajhAie, mujhe patA nahIM cltaa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, hama abhI jo haiM na, to vastutaH hama vAstava meM kyA haiM? hama yaha nAma rUpI nahIM haiN| hama vyavahAra rUpI nahIM haiN| to vAstava meM hama kyA haiM? jitanA apanA jJAna aura jitanA apanA ajJAna hai, utanA hI, vahI hama haiM / jaisA jJAna hotA hai usI anusAra saMyoga milate haiN| ajJAna hotA hai to usake anusAra saMyoga milate haiN| jJAna-ajJAna ke anusAra saMyoga milate haiN| praznakartA : aura usa jJAna-ajJAna ke anusAra karma baMdhate haiM ? dAdAzrI : haaN| usa anusAra karma baMdhate haiM aura usI hisAba se ye sabhI saMyoga milate haiN| ucca vyakti ucca prakAra ke karma bA~dhatA hai, kyoMki usakA jJAna ucca prakAra kA hai| halakA vyakti nimna prakAra ke karma bA~dhatA hai| yAnI ki vaha jJAna aura ajJAna ke hisAba se bA~dhatA hai| to kyA vaha usake hAtha meM hai ? nahIM! vaha, vaha khuda hI hai| vaha khuda yaha nAma nahIM hai, vaha khuda ahaMkAra nahIM hai| vaha khuda 'yaha' hai|

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230 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : 'vaha khuda yaha hai' isakA matalaba kyA hai dAdA? dAdAzrI : jJAna yA ajJAna, vaha khuda vahI hai| vahI usakA upAdAna hai lekina vaha samajha meM nahIM AtA isalie usake pratinidhi arthAt ahaMkAra ko hama svIkAra karate haiN| yaha bahuta gaharI bAta hai| saMta bhI nahIM jaante| kramika mArga ke jJAnI bhI nahIM jaante|| praznakartA : hA~, vaha aisA nahIM hai ki z2arA jaldI se samajha meM A jaae| dAdAzrI : samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| praznakartA : abhI taka hama yahI kahate haiM ki ahaMkAra hI yaha saba karatA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha to, ye sajjana Ae isalie bAta nikalI varnA nikalatI hI nahIM na aisI gahana baat| bAta to maiMne batA dii| bAta samajhane jaisI hai, gahana hai| ataH jJAna aura ajJAna kI vajaha se ye karma baMdhate haiN| upAdAna yA ahaMkAra, jo kaho vaha yahI hai| vaha khuda hI lekina yoM vAstava meM ahaMkAra isase alaga hai| ahaMkAra alaga dikhAI detA hai jabaki yaha to jJAna aura ajJAna, prakAza aura aMdhakAra! usI AdhAra para vaha yaha saba karatA hai| praznakartA : haaN| lekina agara jJAna ho, ajJAna ho aura ahaMkAra nahIM ho to phira kyA hogA? to karma baMdhana hogA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra rahatA hI hai| jahA~ para jJAna aura ajJAna donoM eka sAtha hoM, vahA~ para ahaMkAra rahatA hI hai| praznakartA : ajJAna hai, isalie ahaMkAra hai ? / dAdAzrI : rahatA hI hai| jaba ajJAna calA jAegA, taba ahaMkAra

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 231 calA jaaegaa| taba taka jJAna aura ajJAna sAtha meM hI rheNge| use kSayopakSama kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : to jJAna milane ke bAda jo puruSa banatA hai, to kauna sA bhAga puruSa kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna hI puruSa hai| usameM phira bhAga kaisA? ajJAna hI prakRti hai| jJAna-ajJAna kA mizrita svarUpa hI prakRti hai| jJAna hI puruSa hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| jJAna hI AtmA hai| jo jJAna vijJAna svarUpI ho, vaha AtmA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| jJAna arthAt prakAza, samajha nahIM! praznakartA : 'jJAna arthAt prakAza, vaha samajha nahIM' hai, yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : jJAna se hama kisI ko prakAza dete haiM to use samajha meM AtA hai ki yaha bAta isa taraha se karanI hai| jJAna kA prakAza nahIM ho to samajha meM hI nahIM AegA na! samajha alaga cIz2a hai aura jJAna alaga cIz2a hai| hama jaba jJAna batAte haiM taba usakI samajha meM AtA hai ki 'sTezana isa tarapha hai vagairaha, vgairh| isa rAste se isa rAste para, isa rAste para', aisA usakI samajha meM A jAtA hai| taba kahatA hai, 'hA~, ThIka hai| hA~, mujhe patA cala gyaa'| ataH samajha alaga cIz2a hai jabaki jJAna, vaha prakAza hai aura samajha arthAt usa prakAza se hameM phala prApta hotA hai aura phira phala se kArya hotA hai| yahA~ se sTezana jAne kA 'jJAna' vaha Apako samajha detA hai| jJAna batAtA hai pahale pUrA nakazA banAkara de detA hai, taba phira ApakI samajha meM A jAtA hai| phira Apa kahate ho ki, 'mujhe samajha meM A gyaa'| jaba koI jJAna batAtA hai taba Apa kyA kahate ho? praznakartA : samajha meM A gyaa| dAdAzrI : 'mujhe samajha meM A gayA!' yaha samajhanA alaga cIz2a

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232 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) hai, aura jJAna alaga cIz2a hai| jo samajha meM AtA hai, vaha phira AcaraNa meM AtA hai| agara samajha nahIM ho to cAhe kitanA bhI jJAna prakAza batAe~ phira bhI AcaraNa meM nahIM aaegaa| ajJAna kisa prakAra se pudgala hai? praznakartA : 'ajJAna pudgala hai, jJAna pudgala nahIM hai', aisA kaise kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : mana, pudgala hai aura ajJAna dazA ke kutUhala kA pariNAma hai| mana ajJAna pariNAma kI gA~Tha hai jabaki jJAna pariNAma kI gA~TheM nahIM hotiiN| praznakartA : to phira jJAna pariNAma meM mana kA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nhiiN| jJAna pariNAma sUrya kiraNa jaisA hotA hai| vaha jJeya rUpI pariNAma dikhAtA hai| jJeya ko jJAna jJeyAkAra svarUpa dikhAtA hai, basa itanA hii| rAga-dveSa hoM tabhI mana utpanna hotA hai aura tabhI vaha ajJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : to phira Apa jJAna kise kahate haiM ? ajJAna to samajha meM aayaa| ajJAna rAga-dveSa kA pariNAma hai| aura jJAna? dAdAzrI : viitraagtaa| kahIM bhI na cipake to gA~Tha nahIM bntii| praznakartA : to phira vaha jJAna, kyA vaha cetana hai ? dAdAzrI : jJAna cetana hai| ajJAna cetana to hai lekina mizracetana hai| praznakartA : to phira jJAna kI acchI gA~TheM kyoM nahIM banatI? dAdAzrI : jJAna kI kabhI gA~The banatI hoMgI? jJAna ko to prakAza kahate haiN| prakAza meM gA~The hotI hI nahIM haiM na? jaba usameM pudgala milatA hai, taba gA~Tha banatI hai| praznakartA : aba samajha meM aayaa| jaba pudgala ajJAna pariNAma meM ekAkAra hotA hai, tabhI gA~The banatI haiN|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 233 dAdAzrI : vaha ekAkAra hotA hai tabhI na! lekina ajJAna pariNAma pudgala sahita hI hotA hai| aisA nahIM hai ki usameM ekAkAra hotA hai| ajJAna pariNAma hai hI pudgala kI vajaha se| agara pudgala nahIM hotA to jJAna pariNAma hotaa| samajha meM nahIM baiThA (AyA) phira? khar3A ho gayA? praznakartA : nahIM, nahIM, baiTha gayA na! dAdAzrI : hA~ kahane se vApasa baiTha jaaegaa| varnA agara baiThA huA hogA to bhI vApasa khar3A ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : jaba taka vaha ThIka se nahIM baiThe tabhI taka khar3A hogA na? dAdAzrI : khar3A ho jAegA, haaN| use biThA denA hai| baiThAne para hI pUrA hogaa| pUre hiMdustAna meM kisI ko nahIM baitthtaa| yaha samajha alaga prakAra kI hai| Apako paha~ca jAtI hai yaha! Apako baiTha jAtI hai| dekho na, Azcarya hai na! nahIM to nahIM baiTha sktii| praznakartA : lekina jJAna pariNAma ke spaMdana to haiM hI na! dAdAzrI : nhiiN| usake spaMdana nahIM hote| ye sAre spaMdana to ajJAna meM hI haiN| jJAna pariNAma to, jaise sUryanArAyaNa kA yaha jo prakAza AtA hai na, usameM spaMdana nahIM hote| vaha to svAbhAvikatA hai| ajJAna dazA meM spaMdana hote haiN| spaMdana arthAt lahareM utthnaa| kaI bAra bar3I uThatI haiM aura kabhI choTI uThatI haiN| isa jJAna prakAza meM gA~The-vA~TheM nahIM hotIM isIlie nigraMtha kahA hai| nigraMtha muni kahA gayA hai| gA~Tha vAlA to hamezA phUTatA rahatA hai| pAnI milane para phUTatI haiM gaaNttheN| ataH krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ye sabhI gA~TheM kahalAtI haiN| abhI agara lakSmI dikha jAe to lobha kI gA~The phUTeMgI ekadama se| hama vivAha samAroha meM jAe~ to mAna kI gA~Tha phUTatI hai jabaki jJAna meM gA~TheM nahIM hotI isalie kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM phuutttiiN|

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234 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ajJAna hI bar3A AvaraNa praznakartA : ajJAna ke alAvA anya kauna se AvaraNa hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : ajJAna to bahuta bar3A AvaraNa hai| pUrA jagat usI meM pha~sA huA hai aura bhagavAna bhI usI meM pha~sa gae the| ajJAna AvaraNa kyA koI choTA-moTA AvaraNa hai? / hA~, lekina itane zAstra par3hane ke bAvajUda bhI z2arA sA bhI nahIM htttaa| aisA jo ajJAna AvaraNa hai usakI to bAta hI kitanI bar3I? usakI bAunDrI kitanI bar3I?! kucha aura kyoM DhU~Dha rahe ho? anya koI AvaraNa hai hI nahIM lekina itanA ajJAna hai phira bhI nAbhipradeza z2arA sA khulA hai| jitanA khulA hai utanA hI jIvana vyavahAra calatA hai| varnA ghora ajJAnatA hai| sArA AvaraNa hI hai yaha to, ajJAna hI hai| usake cAhe jitane Tukar3e karo to bhI vaha ajJAna hI hai| jJAnI hI samajhA sakate haiM jJAna praznakartA : jJAnIpuruSa ko jo jJAna hotA hai, vaha samajhAyA nahIM jA sakatA? dAdAzrI : use samajhAnA AsAna nahIM hai| jJAna to inheM bhI huA hai lekina vaha samajhAyA nahIM jA sktaa| sirpha hama hI samajhA sakate haiM, yA phira ye nIrU bahana thor3A-bahuta samajhA sakatI haiM ! jinheM adhika paricaya ho, ve thor3A-bahuta samajhA sakate haiN| ye bhAI z2arA sA, bahuta hI kama samajhA sakate haiM lekina samajhA sakate haiM! paricaya meM Ae hai na! ataH hamAre sAtha adhika paricaya rakhanA cAhie to sabhI kucha samajhA sakoge! jJAna prApti kA ekamAtra sAdhana... praznakartA : jJAna prApti kA sAdhana kyA hai? dAdAzrI : yahA~ para kainDala ho to hameM ujAlA dikhAI detA hai|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 235 agara kainDala hI nahIM hogI to ujAlA dikhAI hI nahIM degA na! ataH jahA~ para ujAlA dikhAI detA hai, ve jJAnI haiN| praznakartA : acchaa| kaI bAra aisA prazna hotA hai ki kyA jJAna prApti ke lie guru kI z2arUrata hai? dAdAzrI : guru kI hI z2arUrata hai| guru ke binA to isa duniyA meM cala hI nahIM sktaa| Apa skUla meM par3hane gae tabhI se guru| yahA~ se sTezana jAnA ho to bhI guru DhU~DhanA par3atA hai| pUchanA nahIM par3atA? jahA~jahA~ pUchanA par3atA hai, vahI guru| praznakartA : to kyA iMsAna svayaM prApta nahIM kara sakatA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| svayaM kucha bhI prApta nahIM kara sktaa| isa duniyA meM kisI ko aisA huA hI nahIM hai aura jo svayaM siddha ho cuke haiM, svayaM buddha, ve pichale janmoM meM pUcha-pUchakara Ae haiM ataH yaha pUrA jagat pUchapUchakara hI cala rahA hai| praznakartA : Apa jo jJAna dete haiM, usase tIrthaMkaroM jaisA kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : sabhI tIrthaMkaroM kA jJAna eka hI prakAra kA hai| usameM koI aMtara nahIM hai| bhASA meM aMtara ho sakatA hai lekina jJAna eka hI prakAra kA hai| abhI bhI jJAna vahI kA vahI hai lekina bhASA meM aMtara hai, anAdikAla se pudgala ke prakAza aura jJAna prakAza meM pharka rahatA hI hai| sabhI jJAniyoM kA jJAna prakAza eka hI prakAra kA prakAza hai aura isa pudgala kA prakAza, sabhI lAiToM kA prakAza eka hI prakAra kaa| ve donoM prakAza alaga-alaga svabhAva ke haiN| ujAle meM aMtara nahIM hai| ataH jJAna to vahI kA vahI hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki, 'yaha merA jJAna hai'| jo paraMparA se calA AyA hai, vaha jJAna hai| prakAza vahI kA vahI hai| loga hama se pUchate haiM ki, '(yaha jJAna) ApakA maulika hai?' taba maiMne kahA ki 'bhAI nahIM!

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236 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) tujhe aisA lagatA hai ki maulika hai lekina yaha jJAna to pahale se calA AyA hai| zAyada bhASA vagairaha maulika ho sakatI hai, jJAna to jo pahale thA vahI hai| koI utpanna kara hI nahIM sakatA kyoMki khuda hI jJAna hai, use utpanna kaise kara sakatA hai aura jo utpanna hotA hai, usakA vinAza ho jAtA hai| jo jJAna... yaha buddhijanya jJAna utpanna hotA hai aura naSTa ho jAtA hai| ataH jJAna ke prakAza do prakAra ke nahIM ho skte| jJAna kA prakAza eka hI prakAra kA hotA hai| yAnI agara koI kahatA hai ki mujhase jJAna meM AdhA hI rahA jAtA hai aura AdhA nahIM rahA jAtA to vaha jJAna hai hI nhiiN| use kahate haiM ajnyaan| jJAna arthAt jnyaan| hamezA ke lie ujaalaa| jJAna kise kahate haiM ? hara prakAra se vaha TelI honA (mela khAnA) caahie| virodhAbhAsa utpanna nahIM honA caahie| jahA~ se bole vahA~ se| 50 sAla bAda bhI vaha vAkya TelI honA cAhie aura jJAna hI phala detA hai| jJAna phala sahita hI hotA hai, prakAza hai vaha to! zuddha jJAna vahI paramAtmA praznakartA : kyA jJAna paramAtmA kA guNa hai ? dAdAzrI : jJAna hI paramAtmA hai lekina yaha jJAna nhiiN| jo Apa jAnate ho na, yaha duniyA jo jAnatI hai na, vaha jJAna nhiiN| yaha daniyA jo jAnatI hai vaha to bhautika jJAna hai| zuddha jJAna hI paramAtmA hai| zuddha jJAna arthAt jaisA hai vaisA hI dikhA detA hai| yathArtha dikhAtA hai| yAnI kyA hai ki sabhI avinAzI cIz2oM ko dikhAtA hai| vinAzI ko vinAzI jAnatA hai aura avinAzI ko avinAzI jAnatA hai| yathArtha dikhAtA hai aura zuddha hI dikhAtA hai| jo jJAna hai na, vahI AtmA hai lekina vaha saccA jJAna, samyak jJAna honA caahie| yaha jJAna bhrAMti jJAna hai| ye mere sasura, ye mere mAmA aura ye mere cAcA', vaha sArA bhrAMti jJAna hai| vaha AtmA nahIM hai| vAstavika jJAna hI AtmA hai|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 237 zuddha jJAna bhagavAna hai aura azuddha jJAna, ulTA-sIdhA jJAna zaitAna hai| zaitAna se phrenDazipa karanA ThIka lage to vaha karanA aura bhagavAna se phrenDazipa karanA ThIka lage to unase krnaa| yaha jo zaitAna zabda rakhA hai, vaha sirpha samajhane ke lie hI hai! zubhAzubha jJAna jJAna hI AtmA hai| jahA~ azuddha jJAna hai, vahA~ para azuddha AtmA hai| yadi zubha jJAna hai to zubha AtmA hai aura zuddha jJAna ho to daraasala (vAstavika) AtmA hai lekina vaha saba AtmA hI hai| jJAna mAtra AtmA hI hai| phaoNrena vAle kahate haiM ki Apa kahate haiM 'vItarAga bhagavAna haiM lekina vItarAga ko kisane dekhA hai? vaha kaise paoNsibala (saMbhava) ho sakatA hai ?' una logoM ko samajha meM nahIM AtA hai taba hama kahate haiM ki 'apanI bhASA meM smjh| Apako jo yaha jJAna aura samajha hai, usakI kImata hai yA nahIM?' taba kahate haiM, 'hA~ usakI kImata to hai'| taba hama pUche ki aphrIkanoM kI tulanA meM ApakA jJAna aura samajha z2yAdA hai yA kama? taba kyA kahate haiM ? aisA kahate haiM ki z2yAdA hai| aba vaha samajha kaisI hai? azuddha samajha hai aura azuddha jJAna hai, unakI samajha azuddha hI hai isalie bematalaba hI mAra dete haiN| agara sAmane koI jAnavara mila jAe to use kATakara khatma kara dete haiM ! mA~sa vagairaha khAne ke lie nhiiN| AphrIkanoM kI samajha bhI azuddha hai aura jJAna bhI azuddha hai| jinakA jJAna unase behatara ho, loga unakI tArIpha karate haiM na? haaN| isake alAvA sabhI phaoNrenarsa kA jJAna bhI azubha hai| arthAt mA~sAhAra, bakare kATate haiM n| ve kahate haiM, 'kATane hI cAhie aura agara nahIM kATeMge to mA~sa kaise khAe~ge?' vaha kauna sA jJAna kahalAtA hai ? azubha jJAna kahalAtA hai| azuddha nahIM kahalAtA kyoMki usameM unakA hetu khAne kA hai| itanA to use samajha meM AtA hai na ki yaha azubha jJAna hai| azubha kyoM hai ki kisI jIva ko mArakara, duHkha aura trAsa dekara use maz2e se khAe~ to vaha azubha khlaaegaa| jaba ve murge ko mArate haiM na,

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238 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) taba vaha zora macAkara rakha detA hai| Apane sunA nahIM kabhI murge ko kATate samaya? phira bAda meM zubha jJAna AtA hai| zubha samajha aura zubha jJAna AtA hai| phaoNrena vAle kahate haiM ki 'kisI ko mAranA mata, kisI ko du:kha nahIM denA hai aura koI hameM duHkha na de'| vaha zubhAzubha jJAna kahalAtA hai| yadi koI mujhe duHkha degA to maiM bhI dUMgA lekina agara koI duHkha nahIM degA to nahIM duuNgaa| yaha zubhAzubha jJAna kahalAtA hai| hamAre sabhI dharma zubhAzubha meM par3e hue haiN| jJAna aura samajha zubhAzubha vAlI hai| agara sirpha zubha jJAna hI hogA to koI use duHkha de taba bhI vaha duHkha nahIM degA aura jo kisI ko duHkha na de, aise zubha jJAna aura zubha samajha vAlA supara hyumana kahalAtA hai| manuSya meM se devaloka meM jAtA hai| vaha zubha samajha kahalAtI hai, zubha jnyaan| aura usase bhI Age haiM zuddha jnyaan| zuddha jJAna vAle ko kisa taraha se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai? agara zuddha jJAna vAle kI koI jeba kATa le taba bhI use vaha nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai| to agara phaoNrena vAle ko samajhAe~ ki 'Apako nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai' taba kaheMge, 'nhiiN| nirdoSa kaise dekhAI degA? vaha khule taura para jeba kATa rahA hai na!' taba agara hama batAe~ ki 'hamAre yahA~ vItarAga kise kahA jAtA hai ? 'jise sAmane vAlA nirdoSa dikhAI detA hai use hama vItarAga kahate haiN|' to vaha samajha jAegA yA nahIM ki vItarAga kyA hai ? praznakartA : samajha jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : isI prakAra kramapUrvaka samajhAte haiN| mAra-Thokakara samajhAne jAe~ge to use prApti nahIM hogii| jise rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, vaha viitraag| vaha to nahIM samajhatA na? rAga bhI nahIM aura dveSa bhI nhiiN| vaha kahatA hai ki 'aTaicamenTa to hotA hai| aisA kaise ho sakatA hai?' lekina jaba use samajhAe~ ki 'yaha jJAna to jeba katare ko bhI nirdoSa dikhAtA hai, aisA jJAna utpanna ho jAtA hai'| yaha jJAna Develapa hote-hote aMtima jJAna, vahI paramAtmA hai aura jo bhI mAno vaha yahI hai| zuddhAtmA kaho yA paramAtmA kho| jagat nirdoSa dikhAI diyaa| jise doSita bhI nirdoSa dikhAI deM aura

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 239 nirdoSa bhI nirdoSa dikhAI deM, usI ko paramAtmA kahate haiN| use zuddha jJAna kahate haiM, zuddha darzana kahate haiN| ___ aMtima samajha kyA hai ki isa jagat meM koI doSita hai hI nhiiN| jagat pUrA nirdoSa hI hai| jJAna hI AtmA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| hara eka ke pAsa jo jJAna hai, vahI AtmA hai| zuddha jJAna paramAtmA hai aura ina manuSyoM meM bhI jo unakA jJAna hai, vahI AtmA hai, aura AtmA arthAt selpha, khud| nayA jJAna grahaNa karatA hai yA sirpha AvaraNa TUTate haiM? jaba taka ajJAna dazA hai taba taka vaha mUr3hAtmA kahalAtA hai| samajhane ke lie hamane mUr3hAtmA ke do vibhAga kie hai, viSaya AtmA aura kaSAya aatmaa| phira jaba vastutva kA bhAna hotA hai, taba zuddhAtmA banatA hai| vaha aMtarAtmA kahalAtA hai aura phira apane Apa hI paramAtmA banatA jAtA hai, pUrNatva hotA jAtA hai| praznakartA : Apane ye jo tIna prakAra ke AtmA batAe, vaisA AtmA hone ke lie kucha karanA par3atA hai yA janma se hI usa anusAra hotA hai? yaha kisa prakAra se hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to janma se hI jitanA pUrva janma kA jJAna lekara AyA hai, vaha sArA isa jJAna se badalatA jAtA hai| jaise-jaise use jJAna ke sabhI saMyoga milate jAte haiM vaise-vaise yaha badalatA jAtA hai| viSayoM meM se phira kaSAyI hotA jAtA hai| kaSAyoM meM se vApasa kaSAya halke hote jAte haiN| ekadama se to mukta nahIM hotA lekina kaSAya halke hote jAte haiM, halke hote-hote-hote phira vaha kaSAya mukta zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai| pichale janma meM jitanA kucha karake Ae haiM, aba vApasa hameM phira se naI prApti karanI pdd'egii| bhrAMti meM hone ke bAvajUda vaha jJAna use helpa

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240 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) karatA hai| use vaha jo jJAna hai, vaha cetana jJAna nahIM hai, zuSka jJAna hai| ataH karanA par3atA hai| use jJAna ke anusAra bananA par3atA hai| vaha agara huA to huA, varnA yadi eDajasTa nahIM huA to jJAna meM to rahA ki aisA karanA cAhie lekina kyoMki bhUmikA taiyAra nahIM hai isalie aisA ho nahIM paataa| praznakartA : lekina vyavahAra meM aisA hotA hai na ki pUre saMsAra kAla meM nayA jJAna grahaNa karatA jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! itanA hI hai ki vaha nirAvRtta hotA jAtA hai| jo jJAna hai vahI vApasa nirAvRtta hotA hai| nayA nahIM aataa| jo AvaraNa hai vaha khulatA jAtA hai| nayA jJAna hogA hI kahA~ se? tUne aisA kyoM pUchA? praznakartA : yaha to vyavahAra meM aisA dikhAI detA hai ki vaha DaoNkTarI kA jJAna sIkha rahA hai, phira aura koI nayA jJAna sIkha rahA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to, AvaraNa khulate haiN| yAnI ki vaha jahA~ prayatna karatA hai, vahA~ ke AvaraNa khulate haiN| DaoNkTarI kI par3hAI karatA hai to DaoNkTara banatA hai, iMjIniyariMga kI par3hAI karatA hai to iMjIniyara banatA hai| riyala jJAna - rileTiva jJAna sAinTisToM ko samajha meM AegA kyoMki ye sabhI bAteM aisI haiM ki jinase unheM madada milegii| ve ulajhate haiM ki are yaha hameM aisA-aisA patA calA hai lekina loga aisA kyoM mAnate haiM ? use jo patA calA hai, una saba meM use helpa ho jAegI kyoMki rileTiva aura riyala 99 pratizata taka eka sarIkhe hI haiM, 99 poinTa tk| kaoNz2a vAlA jo iphekTa hai, jisa iphekTa meM se kaoNz2a utpanna hote haiM, usakA phoTo khiMcatA hai lekina jisa iphekTa meM se kaoNz2a utpanna nahIM hote, usakA phoTo hI nahIM khiMca sktaa| ataH 99 pratizata taka kaoNz2a vAlA iphekTa rahatA hai, 100veM pratizata meM kaoNz2a vAlA iphekTa nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : vaha kisa prakAra se?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna dAdAzrI : hamAre ye sAre iphekTa kaoNz2a rahita haiM na! taba taka phoTo khiMca sakatA hai / ataH taba taka pairelala pairelala calatA hai yaha, rileTiva aura riyala donoN| phoTo khiMca sakatA hai, isalie usa rileTiva kI phoTo kA lAbha milatA hai na, aura yaha ekz2ekTa kA lAbha milatA hai na, riyala kaa| utanA jJAna pairelala calatA rahatA hai / ataH sabakucha milatA-julatA hai| unheM jo jAnanA hai vaha sabakucha milatA-julatA hai 99 DigrI, 99 poinTa tk| aMtima vAlA unheM samajha meM nahIM A sakatA / jisakA phoTo nahIM khiMca sakatA / 241 praznakartA : yaha ThIka se samajha meM nahIM AyA / phira se samajhAie ki riyala aura rilaTiva, donoM 99.99 taka eka sarIkhe lagate haiM / dAdAzrI : yaha rileTiva jJAna hai lekina sAtha-sAtha calatA hai| pairelala / jaise do paTariyA~ sabhI jagaha para sAtha-sAtha rahatI haiM na ! lekina vaha phoTogrAphI ke rUpa meM hotA hai aura yaha ekz2ekTa rUpa meM hai| aMtima 100 veM aMza kA phoTo nahIM khiMca sakatA / vahA~ para utanA phoTogrAphI ke rUpa meM nahIM hai I praznakartA : rileTiva aura riyala jJAna to alaga hI haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAna alaga haiM / yaha riyala ekz2ekTa rUpa se hai aura vaha rileTiva phoTo ke rUpa meM hai| pharka to bahuta z2yAdA hai lekina ekz2ekTa usake jaisA hI hai puuraa| Diz2Aina - viz2Aina saba milatI-julatI hotI haiN| vaha kriyAkArI nahIM hai aura yaha kriyAkArI hai / AvaraNa khisakane se prakaTa hotA hai AtmajJAna AtmA kA jJAna to saMpUrNa hI hai lekina AtmA to jJAnI hI hai na! pudgala kA AvaraNa jitanA haTatA hai, utanA hI jJAna prakaTa hotA hai, bs| yAnI pudgala kA jJAna vahA~ Akara rUka jAtA hai| to itanI DigrI taka pahu~cA hai yh| praznakartA : to jJAna pudgala kA hai yA AtmA kA hai ?

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242 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : jJAna bhI pudgala kA hI hai| AtmA sarvasva jJAnI hai lekina jitanA pudgala AvaraNa haTatA hai, yahA~ para utanI DigrI taka, utanA hI pudgala jJAna prakaTa ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : AvaraNa haTane se cetana kA jJAna prakaTa huA na? dAdAzrI : hA~ prakaTa huaa| phira bhI AtmA meM to pUrA-pUrA jJAna hai hii| jisameM prakaTa huA usakA jnyaan| jJAna to AtmA kA hai lekina yaha prakaTa kisameM huA hai ki 'itanI DigrI prakaTa huI haiN'| jJAna, pudgala kA jJAna hai| praznakartA : vaha pudgala kA kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha pudgala kA hai| AtmA kA jJAna to pUrNa hI hai lekina aMta meM jaba pudgala kA jJAna pUrNa hogA taba mokSa meM jaaegaa| kyoMki use usake barAbara kA kara denA hai| bhAvanA kara-karake usa rUpa hI banAnA hai| pudgala ko bhagavAna banAnA hai| jaba 'khuda' 'usake' jaisA ho jAegA to mukta ho jaaegaa| phira pUrNAhuti ho jaaegii| dhIre-dhIre bhAvanA kara-karake isa pudgala ko bhagavAna banAnA hai| jJAnI bana gae lekina abhI kucha bAkI bacA hai, kaccA hai| aba jJAnI, ve AtmA nahIM kahalAte, pudgala kahalAte haiN| daraasala (vAstavika) AtmA to pUrNataH sarvajJa hai| ataH yaha jo pudgala hai, vaha vyavahAra AtmA kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : to ise aisA kahA jAegA ki jJAna vyavahAra AtmA ko huA hai? dAdAzrI : jo pudgala hai, use vyavahAra AtmA kahate haiM to vyavahAra AtmA kA khuda kA jJAna kitanA hai? ki itanA huA hai| lekina jaba pUrNAhuti hogI taba donoM kA chUTa kArA ho jaaegaa| jaba taka donoM pUrNa nahIM ho jAte taba taka chUTa kArA nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : jo vyavahAra AtmA hai, usakI utpatti kisa prakAra se huI?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 243 dAdAzrI : usakI utpatti hai hI nahIM na! vaha to hai hI pahale se| anAdikAla se hai hii| usakA aMta aaegaa| use jaba jJAnIpurUSa mila jAe~ge taba aMta aaegaa| praznakartA : yaha jo vyavahAra AtmA ko bhI bhagavAna banAnA hai, pudgala ko bhI bhagavAna banAnA hai to vaha kisa taraha se banAnA hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha banA rahe haiM, usI taraha se| jJAnI ke pAsa baiThoge to phira Apa bhI utane hI jJAnI bana jaaoge| maiM sarvajJa ke pAsa rahU~ to sarvajJa bana jaauuNgaa| Apa mere sAtha rahoge to mere jaise bana jAoge, aise karate-karate saba hote-hote ho rahA hai| aMta meM jaba khuda ke svarUpa ko jAnegA, taba kabhI na kabhI svarUpamaya bana jaaegaa| pahale zraddhA meM AtA hai| phira dhIre-dhIre jJAna meM AtA hai aura phira vartana meM AtA hai| vartana meM AyA ki pUrNa ho gyaa| jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tapa pUrNa ho jaaegaa| zuddha jJAna rakhatA hai milAvaTa rahita zuddha jJAna se mokSa hai| sad jJAna se sukha aura viparIta jJAna se duHkha hai| jJAna khuda hI mukti hai| jo jJAna anAtmA ke sAtha ekAkAra nahIM hone detA, pudgala meM ekAkAra nahIM hone detA, vaha jJAna hI AtmA hai| AtmA DhU~DhanA ho to yahI hai| jo jJAna parabhAva meM ekAkAra nahIM hone detA, pararamaNatA meM ekAkAra nahIM hone detA, vahI jJAna hai aura vahI AtmA hai| homa DipArTamenTa meM rakhatA hai, phaoNrena meM ghusane hI nahIM detaa| to bhagavAna kaise hoMge? taba maiMne kahA, 'bhagavAna zuddha hI haiN| zuddha jJAna ke alAvA bhagavAna anya koI cIz2a nahIM hai| lekina zuddha jJAna kise kaheMge? kauna se tharmAmITara ke hisAba se vaha zuddha jJAna kahalAegA? jisa jJAna se rAga-dveSa aura bhaya nahIM hote, vaha jJAna zuddha jJAna hai aura zuddha jJAna hI paramAtmA hai| jyoti svarUpa zuddha jJAna, jo parama jyoti svarUpa haiM, vahI paramAtmA haiN| paramAtmA koI sthUla cIz2a nahIM hai, jJAna svarUpa se haiN| ebsalyUTa jJAna mAtra haiN| ebsalyUTa isIlie

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244 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kahate haiM ki unameM anya kisI cIz2a kI milAvaTa nahIM hai aura mila bhI nahIM sktii| sanAtana jJAna khuda hI AtmA hai| AtmA hI jJAna hai| sArA jJAna AtmA hI hai, eka hI hai| vahI paramAtmA hai| anya kisI paramAtmA ko DhU~Dhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| paramAtmA Apake aMdara hI baiThe hue haiN| AtmA baiThA huA hai aura dehadhArI bhI baiThe haiN| mUrta bhI baiThA huA hai aura amUrta bhI baiThA huA hai| zuddha jJAna hI AtmA praznakartA : aisA kaise ho sakatA hai ki jJAna hI AtmA hai ? z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : vaha khuda hI AtmA hai| aba logoM ko yaha samajha meM nahIM A sakatA na! lekina loga to kyA samajhate haiM ki AtmA nAma kI koI cIz2a hogI! vaha 'vastu' hai z2arUra lekina loga aisI cIz2a DhU~Dhate haiM jo unakI khuda kI dRSTi meM A ske| usake bAre meM sahI bAta kauna batAegA? yaha to sirpha jJAnI hI batA sakate haiM, anya koI isako samajha hI nahIM sakatA na! kRSNa hI jJAna haiM aura jJAna hI kRSNa hai| ye dAdA bhagavAna jJAna haiM aura jJAna hI dAdA bhagavAna hai| jJAna hI mahAvIra hai aura mahAvIra hI jJAna haiM lekina ye loga jise jJAna kahate haiM, yaha vaha vAlA jJAna nahIM hai, yaha vijJAna kahalAtA hai| ye loga kahate haiM, use bhI agara jJAna kaheMge na, taba to phira usake sAtha tulanA karate rheNge| ataH jo ebsalyUTa jJAna hai use kevalajJAna kahate haiM, vahI AtmA hai| kevalajJAna kA artha ebsalyUTa jJAna hai aura vaha khuda ebsalyUTa hI hai| kevalajJAna hI AtmA hai| jJAna ke prakAra do prakAra ke jJAna haiN| eka mAyAvI jJAna aura eka AtmA kA jJAna / yaha mAyAvI jJAna kisane sikhAyA?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 245 praznakartA : vaha to anAdi se calA AyA hai na, usameM kisI ko kyA sikhAnA? dAdAzrI : jaba vAstavika jJAna hogA taba bhagavAna dikhAI deNge| praznakartA : hA~, vaha bAta to spaSTa hI hai na! dAdAzrI : usI se mokSa hogaa| vAstavika jJAna cetana hotA hai aura mAyAvI jJAna cetana nahIM hotaa| Apa jAnoge lekina kucha hogA nhiiN| kriyA kucha nahIM ho pAegI, basa itanA hI hai ki jAnate haiN| jabaki cetana jJAna jAna lene ke bAda apane Apa hI hotA rahatA hai| vAstavika jJAna kise kahate haiM ? jise jAna lene ke bAda vaisA ho hI jAtA hai, apane Apa hI hotA jAtA hai| hameM karanA nahIM pdd'taa| hama rAste para jA rahe hoM, idhara-udhara dekhakara cala rahe hoM aura acAnaka nIce sA~pa dekheM to usa kSaNa kyA kriyA hotI hai? vaha acAnaka kUda jAtA hai| dekhA bhI acAnaka aura kUdatA bhI acAnaka hai| jJAna kA phala hai yh| usakA sahI jJAna nahIM hotA to nahIM ho paataa| praznakartA : to dAdA, jJAna kitane prakAra ke haiM ? dAdAzrI : jJAna ke bahuta prakAra haiM hI nhiiN| eka ajJAna jJAna hai, jo jJAna-ajJAna ke rUpa meM hai aura dUsarA vijJAna-jJAna hai| basa, do hI prakAra haiN| praznakartA : ina donoM ke bAre meM smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : jo jAnane ke bAvajUda bhI jIvaMta nahIM hai, jo jJAna jIvaMta nahIM hai, vaha ajJAna jJAna kahalAtA hai| vaha kAryakArI nahIM hotA, jJAna khuda kAryakArI nahIM hotA, hameM karanA par3atA hai| jitanA jAnate haiM, vaha hameM karanA par3atA hai| jo jJAna khuda hI kriyAkArI hotA hai, vaha vijJAna kahalAtA hai aura vaha cetana jJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : eka udAharaNa dIjie na daadaa|

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246 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : yoM koI saMtapuruSa kaheM ki, 'corI nahIM karanI cAhie, aisA nahIM karanA hai, aisA nahIM karanA hai'| ve kahate haiM lekina usake bAda vaha jJAna kAma nahIM krtaa| vaha to hameM karanA par3atA hai| corI baMda karanI par3atI hai hmeN| aura jaba taka baMda nahIM kI jAe taba taka vaha corI baMda nahIM hotii| kyA vaha jJAna corI baMda kara sakatA hai? usa jJAna ko jAnane se kyA corI baMda ho jAegI? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : jabaki ise to jAnane se hI parivartana A jAtA hai| kyA ho jAtA hai? vijJAna, cetana jnyaan| rAta-dina sAvadhAna karatA rahatA hai aura baMdhane hI nahIM detaa| kabhI bhI jaba baMdhana AtA hai, to usI samaya vahA~ use ghumA detA hai aura kabhI bhI baMdhane hI nahIM detA, baMdhana meM Ane hI nahIM detaa| baMdhana meM Ane lage to use chur3avAtA hai| jabaki vaha to jJAna hI nahIM hai| yaha jo pustakoM meM likhA hai, vaha to kitAbI jJAna, sthUla jJAna hai| vaha ajJAna hai lekina yadi usa ajJAna ko bhI maz2abUta kara legA to jJAna kA adhikArI bana jAegA lekina ajJAna ko bhI kahA~ maz2abUta kiyA hai? hiMdustAna meM ye jo jJAnI haiM na, ve ajJAna ke jJAnI kahalAte haiM jo ki zAstroM ko jAnate haiN| are bhAI, rakha na eka tarapha! use jAnakara tujhameM kyA badalAva AyA? badalAva Ae to vaha sahI hai| lohe meM se sonA bana jAe to sahI hai, varnA jaisA hai vaise kA vaisA! praznakartA : aisA kaha sakate haiM ki jJAna arthAt AtmA kA jJAna aura vijJAna arthAt vizeSa jJAna? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vijJAna arthAt ebsalyUTa jnyaan| AtmajJAna hone taka kA jo jJAna hai, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| AtmajJAna kA sparza hone taka jJAna kahalAtA hai aura bAda meM Age jAkara use vijJAna kahA jAtA hai| vijJAna ebsalyUTa hai| ataH jJAna ko karanA par3atA hai aura vijJAna se apane Apa hI kriyA hotI rahatI hai|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 247 jJAna-vijJAna ke pariNAma maiM AtmA ko pUrNa rUpa se jAnatA huuN| sarvAMza rUpa se, eka-eka aMza ko jAnatA hU~ aura isa (mAika) kA jJAna nahIM aataa| ise kyA kaheMge? to kyA yaha (mAika kA) jJAna AtmajJAna meM nahIM samAtA? praznakartA : yaha mAikrophona to jar3a hai, anAtma hai| dAdAzrI : yaha sabjekTiva jJAna hai aura sArA sabjekTiva jJAna, objekTiva hotA hai| AtmA ke lie objekttiv| yaha sabjekTiva jJAna kahalAtA hai| vaha jisa sabjekTa meM gaharA utarA ho, use vaha jAnatA hai| ahaMkArI jJAna aura buddhi vilaas| usameM gahare utara jAe to bhI buddhi to sabhI meM haiM lekina agara isameM gahare utara jAe to, agara inkama Taiksa eksaparTa ho to inkama Taiksa ke hala lA detA hai| varnA bhagavAna to vijJAna svarUpa haiN| bhagavAna arthAt vijJAna svruup| praznakartA : 'bhagavAna vijJAna svarUpI haiM, jJAna svarUpI nahIM haiM', isakA matalaba? dAdAzrI : hA~ jJAna svarUpa nahIM haiM / jJAna use kahate haiM ki usa jJAna meM jaisA batAyA gayA hai, Apa usa anusAra karo to vaisA hotA hai aura vijJAna meM Apako karanA nahIM pdd'taa| vaha apane Apa hI kAma karatA rahatA hai| hamane yaha jo jJAna diyA hai na, vijJAna, vaha to aMdara apane Apa hI kAma karatA rahatA hai| yaha Apako ulTA ghumAtA hai ki 'are, aisA nhiiN'| vijJAna arthAt daraasala AtmA hI aura jJAna kA matalaba AtmA nahIM hai| praznakartA : jJAna kA matalaba AtmA nahIM hai ? to AtmA ko jJAna kA piMDa kahA jAtA hai na dAdA? dAdAzrI : hA~ jJAna kA piMDa kahate haiM, vaha ThIka hai lekina vaha usa bhASA meM sahI hai lekina jaba taka yaha jJAna, vijJAna nahIM bana jAtA

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248 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) taba taka AtmA kahalAegA hI nhiiN| lekina phira bhI use zabdoM meM to aisA hI kahA gayA hai ki jJAna hI AtmA hai| aMta meM to jJAna hI AtmA hai lekina kauna sA jJAna? vijJAna jnyaan| jJAna do prakAra ke haiN| jise hama jAnate haiM lekina usake bAvajUda bhI kucha hotA nahIM hai| phala nahIM aataa| papItA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : hA~ jii| dAdAzrI : vaha pUrA per3a hotA hai| roz2a pAnI pilAne para bhI phUla Ate haiM lekina phala nahIM aate| ataH yaha jJAna, zuSkajJAna kahalAtA hai aura jo jJAna phala detA hai, vaha vijJAna kahalAtA hai| ataH apanA yaha vijJAna hai isalie turaMta hI aMdara kAma karatA hai aura cetAvanI detA hai| anya koI jJAna aisA nahIM hai jo aMdara cetAvanI de|| vAstava meM to jJAna hI AtmA hai lekina agara ise vijJAna nahIM kaheMge to sabhI loga kaheMge, 'hamArA jJAna hai na! to kyA hamArA AtmA nahIM hai ?' 'nahIM! vaha nahIM hai'| AtmA to aMdara kAryakArI honA caahie| usakA phala to AnA cAhie yA nahIM AnA cAhie? praznakartA : phala AnA caahie| dAdAzrI : aphIma khAI jAe to vaha aphIma turaMta hI phala degI yA nahIM? khAne ke thor3I dera bAda aphIma jhoMke khilAegI yA nahIM? aura agara itanI sI zarAba pI le to? praznakartA : usase bhI jhoMke Ate haiN| dAdAzrI : usase bhI jhoMke Ate haiN| nahIM? unakA jJAna usa prakAra se phala nahIM detA na! kitane hI samaya se zAstra par3ha-par3hakara usI jagaha pr| Age bhI nahIM aura pIche bhI nahIM, vahI ke vahI raag-dvess| jisase rAga-dveSa kama hoM, use jJAna kahate haiN| ArtadhyAna-raudradhyAna baMda ho jAe~ use jJAna kahate haiM aura jaba taka ArtadhyAna-raudradhyAna haiM taba taka use jJAna kaise kaheMge?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 249 ataH hamane use vijJAna khaa| isa kAla meM vAstava meM vijJAna hI hai lekina ise jJAna kahA jA sakatA hai| lekina isa 'jJAna' kA durupayoga karate haiM isalie hamane 'vijJAna' kahA hai| loga ise vijJAna kisa prakAra kaheMge phira? jJAna meM to hamane bhI zAstra par3he haiM lekina zAstra par3hane vAlA jJAna nahIM clegaa| AtmA kA jJAna honA caahie| zakkara mIThI hai, vaha zabdoM se to sabhI jAnate haiM lekina agara pUchA jAe ki 'mIThI kA matalaba kyA hai?' taba kyA kaheMge? praznakartA : nhiiN| vaha to anubhava kI bAta hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to jaba maiM jIbha para rakha detA hU~ tb| to hama to jise jIbha para rakhate haiM, use mIThA kahate haiM aura ve loga zabda ko mIThA kahate haiN| usase kucha badalegA? z2arUrata hai vijJAna svarUpa AtmA kI jJAna kitane prakAra ke haiM? do prakAra ke jJAna haiN| jJAna ke binA to koI jIva jI hI nahIM sktaa| unameM se eka jJAna indriya pratyakSa hai aura dUsarA atIndriya prtykss| pUrI duniyA indriya pratyakSa meM hI DUbI huI hai| sAdhu-saMnyAsI-AcArya sabhI indriya pratyakSa jJAna meM haiN| praznakartA : ina donoM meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : jJAna svarUpa AtmA hameM koI cetAvanI nahIM detaa| jabaki vijJAna svarUpa AtmA to hameM cetAvanI detA hai| Apako kauna sA cAhie? praznakartA : jo cetAvanI detA hai vaha AtmA caahie| dAdAzrI : to vaisA AtmA hama dete haiN| jJAna kA matalaba kyA hai ? jJAna arthAt yaha acchA aura yaha kharAba, sat aura asat kA viveka karavAtA hai jabaki yaha to vijJAna hai ataH mukti dilavAtA hai| kevalajJAna svarUpa meM, vahI lakSa praznakartA : to phira bhedajJAna ko sarvasva jJAna kaha sakate haiM?

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250 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : bhedajJAna hI sarvasva jJAna hai aura vahI kevalajJAna kA dvAra hai| ___ ataH bilkula zuddha jJAna hI paramAtmA hai, anya kucha bhI nahIM hai| dehadhArI rUpa meM, paramAtmA kA aisA zarIra nahIM hotA, ve nirdehI haiN| zuddha jJAna svarUpa haiM, kevalajJAna svarUpa haiM, ve anya kisI svarUpa meM haiM hI nhiiN| jJAnIpurUSa ke pAsa baiThane se khuda ko vaha kevalajJAna svarUpa samajha meM AtA hai| kyoMki jJAnIpurUSa kA Azaya kevalajJAna svarUpa meM rahane kA hI hai lekina isa kAla ke hisAba se akhaMDarUpa se kevalajJAna svarUpa meM nahIM rahA jA sktaa| phira bhI unakA Azaya kaisA rahatA hai ki niraMtara kevalajJAna svarUpa meM rahanA hai kyoMki ve 'khuda' 'kevalajJAna svarUpa' ko jAnate haiN| isa kAla kA itanA z2abaradasta iphekTa hai ki kevalajJAna svarUpa meM nahIM rahA jA sktaa| jaise ki agara do iMca ke pAipa meM z2ora se pAnI A rahA ho to usa para u~galI rakhane jAe~ to khisaka jAtI hai aura Adhe iMca ke pAipa meM se pAnI A rahA ho to u~galI nahIM khisktii| yoM isa kAla kA itanA adhika z2ora hai ki jJAnIpurUSa ko bhI samatulA meM nahIM rahane detA! na hAre kabhI vItarAga kisI cIz2a se AtmA jaba khuda ke sva-guNa ko jAnatA hai, sva-svarUpa ko jAnatA hai, sva-jJAna ko jAnatA hai, taba anaiphekTiva ho jAtA hai| cAhe kaise bhI rUpa lekara Ae hue hoM, taraha-taraha ke zabdoM se, apane mana ko samajhakara bolate raheM taba bhI jo nahIM DigatA, use kahate haiM jnyaan| aise-aise loga Akara thaka jAte haiM phira bhI apanA jJAna nahIM ddigtaa| vaha jo jJAna hai, vahI paramAtmA hai aura jo Diga jAe, vaha paramAtmA nahIM hai, jJAna nahIM hai| jJAna to asIma hai lekina vItarAgoM ne jisa jJAna ko jItA, usase Age koI jJAna hai hI nhiiN| jo kisI bhI jagaha para na hAre, ve vItarAga kahalAte haiN| zAyada kabhI deha hAra jAe, mana hAra jAe, vANI hAra jAe lekina khuda nahIM haarte| vItarAga kaise!

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 251 zuddha jJAna kA svabhAva hI aisA hai ki kisI ko Taca hI nahIM karatA, nirlepa rahatA hai! ajJAna ke sAtha bhI jJAna nirlepa rahatA hai| jJAna kriyA meM bhI ekAkAra nahIM hotA, nirlepa hI rahatA hai ! kisI ko sparza nahIM karatA, bAdhaka nahIM hai, vahI AtmA kahalAtA hai| aMdhakAra ko bhI bAdhaka nahIM hai, ajJAna ke aMdhakAra ko bhI bAdhaka nahIM hai vh| ajJAna usake lie bAdhaka hai| vaha khuda kisI ke lie bAdhaka nahIM hai, vaha paramAtmA hai| dIye jaisI bAta hai na! mahAtmAoM ke lie 'svarUpa jJAna' meM rahane kI cAbI jJAna hI sukha hai, jJAna hI AtmA hai, jJAna hI kevalajJAna hai, jJAna hI mokSa hai| ataH jJAna meM rahanA hai| jJAna meM kaba raha pAe~ge? caMdUbhAI ko pahacAna leMge to jJAna meM raha paaeNge| hama caMdUbhAI ko pUrNa rUpa se pahacAna leM ki, phalAnI jagaha para z2arA Ter3he haiM, phalAnI jagaha para sIdhe haiM, pUrA acchI taraha se pahacAna leN| bhagavAna ne itanA hI kahA hai ki jJeya ko jaano| prathama jJeya kauna sA hai? to vaha hai pdd'osii| sthUla saMyoga, sUkSma saMyoga aura vANI ke saMyoga para haiM aura parAdhIna haiM, unheM jaano| ve jJeya hai aura Apa jJAtA ho| jo ajJAna meM na ghusane de, vahI jJAna kahalAtA hai| caMdUbhAI vakAlata karate hue kisI se bAta kara rahe hoM to usameM vAstava meM to vaha ajJAna hI hai kyoMki vaha niyama ke anusAra nahIM hai na! aniyama aura niyama, donoM hI ajJAna haiM lekina 'Apa' usameM cale nahIM jAte, 'Apa' dekhate rahate ho| aMdara se ajJAna khar3A hote hI jJAna hAz2ira ho jAtA hai ki yaha cUraNa khA lU~? taba vaha jJAna hAz2ira ho jAtA hai, 'are, isase to mara jaaegaa'| vaha jJAna hAz2ira ho jAegA to phira ruka jaaegaa| praznakartA : vaha jo jJAna hAz2ira hotA hai, vaha prajJA kA bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, prajJA kA! praznakartA : Apane jJAna diyA to ajJAna kA AvaraNa to calA gayA to aba kauna se AvaraNa bace haiM ?

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252 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : mUla AvaraNa calA gyaa| aba dUsare AvaraNa bace haiN| rUTa kaoNz2a calA gyaa| aba pahale Upara ke patte sUkheMge, DAliyA~ sUkheMgI, usake bAda tanA suukhegaa| rUTa kaoNz2a nikAla diyA hai, kATa diyA hai phira bhI harA-bharA to dikhAI degA na Upara se! kucha dinoM taka! kevalajJAna ho jAegA to pUrNa ho jAegA, sabhI AvaraNa cale jaaeNge| vaha nirAvRta jJAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', kyA yaha jJAna hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha jJAna to vijJAna kahalAtA hai| jJAna to ina zabdoM meM likhA rahatA hai| jo karanA par3atA hai use jJAna kahate haiN| aura jo karanA nahIM par3atA, apane Apa sahaja rUpa se hotA rahatA hai, vaha vijJAna hai| yaha na to mumukSuoM kA jJAna hai, na hI jijJAsuoM kA jJAna, yaha to jJAniyoM kA jJAna hai| aba Apa khuda hI jJAnI bana jAte ho, jaba se yaha jJAna milA, tabhI se Apa jJAnI bana ge| ataH Apa jJAnI kahalAte z2arUra ho lekina agara koI pUche ki 'lo, isa bAre meM batAo', to phira javAba denA nahIM AegA, kyoMki eksapiriyansa karate hue nahIM Ae ho| yaha jJAna Apako rAste calate prApta ho gayA hai| DiscArja mAna ke sAmane jJAna jAgRti praznakartA : dAdA, jJAna lene ke bAda aba mujhe aisA nahIM lagatA ki pichale eka-do sAloM meM kisI para rAga-dveSa huA ho| vAstava meM to lagabhaga hotA hI nahIM hai lekina yaha jo mAna pariNAma khar3A hotA hai na, vaha yoM itanI AsAnI se nahIM jaataa| dAdAzrI : use jAne nahIM denA hai, use dekhanA hai, vaha DiscArja hai aura abhI agara DiscArja meM jo rAga-dveSa haiM to vaha ajJAna kA pariNAma hai| 'Apako' agara usameM rAga-dveSa nahIM hote haiM to vaha AtmA prApti kA pariNAma hai| aba vaha to DiscArja hai, vaha nikalatA rhegaa|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 253 praznakartA : yoM to acchA lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : Apako kahanA hai, 'bahuta rauba mAra rahe ho? acche maz2e haiM Apako to! koI harja nahIM lekina aba jarA vApasa rAha para A jaao'| usameM harja nahIM hai, vaha DiscArja pariNAma hai| praznakartA : nhiiN| lekina z2arA ar3acana... isase riyalAiz2ezana meM thor3A absTrakzana nahIM ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM! riyalAiz2a to saba ho hI cukA hai lekina ise AcaraNa meM Ane meM dera lgegii| rAga-dveSa cale gae haiM, isalie aisA kahA jAegA ki AtmA prApta ho gyaa| sau pratizata aisA kaha sakate haiM ki AtmA prApta ho gayA hai| sau pratizata AtmA rUpa ho cuke ho aap| yaha sArA jo kacarA mAla bharA huA hai, jaise-jaise vaha nikalatA jAegA, vaise-vaise pariNAma AtA jaaegaa| praznakartA : dAdA jaba mAna khar3A hotA hai taba hameM acchA to nahIM lgtaa| lagatA hai ki galata hI hai| vahA~ para hameM kyA jAgRti rakhanI cAhie yA phira sirpha use dekhate hI rahanA hai? / dAdAzrI : nhiiN-nhiiN| vaha jo mAna khar3A hotA hai use dekhanA hai| vahI jJAna kahalAtA hai| dekhane vAlA jJAna kahalAtA hai aura jo khar3A hotA hai, vaha ajJAna hai| jJAna ajJAna ko dekhatA hai| phira cAhe eka aMza mAna ho yA pacAsa aMza mAna ho lekina jo ajJAna ko dekhe, vaha jnyaanii| vaha ajJAna hai, aisA Apako patA calatA hai na? praznakartA : yaha mAna vAlA ajJAna kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha mAna vAlA ajJAna hai, aisA Apako patA calatA hai na? Apa usa ajJAna ko dekhate ho isalie Apa jJAnI ho, varnA ajJAnI ko to ajJAna kA patA nahIM cala sakatA na! usameM kucha galata nahIM hai| praznakartA : jitanI AsAnI se rAga-dveSa nikala gae haiM utanI AsAnI se yaha nahIM nikala rahA hai jhaTa se!

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254 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : rAga-dveSa nikala nahIM gae haiM, Apane nahIM nikAle haiM vaha to AtmA prApta hone kI nizAnI hai| sabhI jJAniyoM kA puruSArtha eka sarIkhA 'koI agara gAliyA~ de rahA hai to kise de rahA hai', vaha mujhe patA hai| usakA mujha para asara nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : agara phUla-mAlA pahanAe, sammAna kare taba bhI aisA hI rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usa samaya cehare para ha~sI A jAtI hai, use bhI hama jAnate haiN| cehare para smita A jAtA hai, aMdara lAgaNiyA~ (lagAva, bhAvukatA vAlA prema) umar3atI haiM, use bhI hama jAnate haiN| praznakartA : Apane kahA ki hama para koI asara hI nahIM hotA, to vaha jo asara nahIM hotA to kyA vaha isalie hai ki saMpUrNa rUpa se judApana rahatA hai yA isalie ki aMdara aisI prakriyA hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : prakriyA-vrakriyA kucha bhI nhiiN| pahale kyA hotA thA ki jJAtA aura jJeya eka hI ho jAte the aura aba alaga rahate haiN| praznakartA : jJAnI ko phUla-mAlA pahanAne para unake cehare para smita A jAtA hai, use bhI khuda jAnate haiN| dAdAzrI : muskurAte haiM, itanA hI nahIM lekina lAgaNiyA~ vagairaha bhI sArI ajJAnI jaisI hI dikhAI detI haiM aura unako bhI ve khuda dekhate aura jAnate haiN| praznakartA : ye lAgaNiyA~ bhI pUrvakarma kA udaya mAnI jAe~gI? dAdAzrI : hA~, pUrvakarma kA udaya mAnI jaaeNgii| Aja kA jJAna yaha dekhatA hai ki pahale ke jJAna kA kyA asara ho rahA hai| praznakartA : bhagavAna mahAvIra jo ki saMpUrNa vItarAga haiM, kyA unheM bhI aisA hI rahatA hai?

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna dAdAzrI : sabhI ko aisA eka sarIkhA hI rahatA hai na! praznakartA : bAhara sabhI lAgaNiyA~ rahatI haiM ? 255 dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI lAgaNiyA~ rahatI haiM / ha~sate haiM, khUba ha~sate haiN| rone kI jagaha para rote bhI haiN| agara kisI kI mA~ mara jAe to vaha pA~ca minaTa ke lie roegA yA nahIM roegA ? aura rone kA matalaba yaha nahIM ki unakA jJAna calA gayA / yA phira agara bahuta vedanA hone lage, kisI kA hAtha kATa diyA jAe to A~khoM meM pAnI bhara Ae to usase kahIM jJAna calA nahIM gyaa| Aja kA jJAna alaga, to kaSAya nahIM praznakartA : ToTala separezana ho jAe, isakA matalaba krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha saMpUrNa rUpa se cale gae ? - I dAdAzrI : ve to, jaba se pratIti hotI hai, tabhI se khatma ho jAte haiM / 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, aisI pratIti hote hI khatma ho jAte haiM / krodha - mAnamAyA-lobha kaba kahA jAtA hai ? udaya kA jJAna aura Aja kA jJAna eka ho jAe~, taba use krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha kahate haiM / yadi Aja kA jJAna alaga rahatA hai to use krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha nahIM kahA jaaegaa| donoM kA saMyoga ho jAe tabhI krodha kahalAtA hai, varnA krodha nahIM khlaaegaa| usakI Dephinezana hai| aMdara se caMdUbhAI krodha karate haiM aura Apa kahate ho ki, 'aisA nahIM honA cAhie' / ataH abhiprAya bilkula alaga hai / arthAt yaha hiMsakabhAva aura yaha ahiMsakabhAva / donoM ke bIca kA tanmayAkAra vAlA bhAva khatma ho gayA / krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha meM, cAroM meM jo hiMsakabhAva hote haiM, ve khatma ho jAte haiM / use khuda ko Aja hiMsakabhAva nahIM hai, isalie vaha krodha nahIM hai / ina praznakartA : jaba ToTala separezana ho jAtA hai taba prajJA kA udaya hotA hai aura taba jo laukika buddhi hai, vaha calI jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : alaga ho jAne para buddhi khatma ho jAtI hai aura prajJA kA

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256 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) anubhava to zuruAta se hI ho jAtA hai| saMpUrNa rUpa se alaga na ho jAe taba bhI use pratIti baiTha jAtI hai aura eka tarapha prajJA zurU ho jAtI hai| ajJAna se parigraha, parigraha se ulajhana, jJAna se sulajhatA hai hara eka ulajhana ke hala ke pIche eka jJAna rahA huA hai| yaha duniyA ulajhanoM kA hI sTaoNka hai| eka hI jJAna se sabhI ulajhaneM nahIM suljhtiiN| jJAna ke binA to ulajhaneM sulajha hI nahIM sakatIM na! praznakartA : vaha to, jaba sulajhatA hai taba lekina ulajhate samaya kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : ve ulajhaneM ajJAna se hotI haiM varnA hoMgI hI nahIM na! aura ulajhaneM jJAna se sulajha jAtI haiN| jaba ulajhaneM sulajhatI haiM to phira samAdhAna ho jAtA hai aura mana mukta ho jAtA hai| mana ulajhanoM meM se mukta hotA jAtA hai| ___ ajJAna se parigraha bar3hate jAte haiM aura parigraha se ulajhaneM bar3hatI jAtI hai aura jJAna se phira ulajhaneM sulajha jAtI haiM aura phira parigraha chUTa jAte haiN| praznakartA : kyA parigraha jJAna aura ajJAna para AdhArita haiM ? dAdAzrI : haM / jJAna, ajJAna aura parigraha / ajJAna se parigraha utpanna hote haiM aura jaise-jaise jJAna se ulajhaneM sulajhatI jAtI haiM vaise-vaise parigraha kama hote jAte haiN| gatajJAna ke AdhAra para parAkrama Apako abhI jJAna milA hai| agale janma meM parAkrama utpanna hogaa| yaha jo dAdA kA parAkrama hai, vaha gatajJAna kA parAkrama hai| Apako jo yaha jJAna milA hai, usakA parAkrama agale janma meM aaegaa| taba taka parAkrama utpanna nahIM hogaa| taba taka vaha pariNAmita nahIM hogaa| jaba pariNAmita hogA taba vaha phala degaa|

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[4] jJAna-ajJAna 257 praznakartA : ataH ApameM abhI jo parAkrama utpanna huA hai, vaha gatajJAna ke AdhAra para hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha parAkrama gatajJAna ke AdhAra para hI hai| parAkrama kaba kahalAtA hai ki jaba zabda pAtAla meM se nikleN| yahA~ para agara Apa mere kahe hue zabda bologe to vaha nahIM clegaa| pAtAla ke zabda, aMdara se zAstra bola rahe hoM, use parAkrama kahA jAegA, gatajJAna parAkrama!

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana paribhASA ratnatraya kI praznakartA : jJAna, darzana aura cAritra ke bAre meM smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : vyavahAra jJAna-darzana ke bAre meM jAnanA hai yA paramArtha ? praznakartA : prmaarth| dAdAzrI : paramArtha ! paramArtha jJAna arthAt AtmA kA jnyaan| sIdhe hI AtmA prApti, bIca meM anya koI dakhala nhiiN| AtmA prApti kA jJAna hI jJAna kahalAtA hai| vaha cAhe pustakoM se prApta huA ho yA sunane se prApta huA ho yA zrutajJAna se prApta huA ho| usa jJAna prApti ke bAda use darzana arthAt pratIti baiThatI hai| aisI pratIti ki isa jJAna meM jo kahA gayA hai, vaisA hI hai| usI ko darzana kahate haiN| aura aisI pratIti baiTha jAe to phira vaha cAritra meM AtA hai| jaba taka pratIti nahIM baiThatI taba taka cAritra meM nahIM aataa| pratIti ko samyak darzana kahA gayA hai aura isa saMsAra kI jo pratIti baiThI hai, vaha mithyAdarzana hai, vaha vinAzI hai| usameM sukha hai hI nahIM, mAnA huA sukha hai| saccA sukha eka kSaNabhara ke lie bhI kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM ho sktaa| jo bhI sukha hai, vaha kalpita sukha hai aura phira vaha aMta vAlA hai| jabaki Atma sukha nirvikalpa hai aura paramAnenTa hai, sanAtana hai| ataH eka bAra sune to, usa jJAna ko sunane ke bAda pratIti baiTha jAe to cAritra meM A jAtA hai aura mokSa ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : vaha jo vAkya hai na 'samyak darzana, jJAna, cAritryANi

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 259 mokssmaarg'| kyA aisA nahIM hai ki jaba darzana aura jJAna donoM saMpUrNa avasthA meM hoM, usI ko mokSamArga kahA jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN-nhiiN| aisA nahIM hai| samyak darzana, jJAna aura cAritra ye tInoM mokSamArga haiN| isalie kahate haiM ki bAkI sArA baMdhana mArga hai| yadi isameM A gae, isameM se eka bhI pada meM A gae, tabhI se mokSamArga kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| bAkI sabhI mithyA mArga haiM, vaha sArA saMsAra mArga hai aura yaha samyak mArga hai, yahI mokSamArga hai| samyak darzana, samyak jJAna aura samyak cAritra! praznakartA : samyak darzana kI paribhASA btaaie| dAdAzrI : samyak darzana arthAt bhrAMta darzana kA abhAva ho jAtA hai| bhautika cIz2oM meM sukha nahIM hai', use aisA bhAna ho jAtA hai, aisI zraddhA baiTha jAtI hai| aisI pratIti baiThanA ki "sanAtana sukha 'AtmA' meM hai", usI ko samyak darzana kahate haiN| praznakartA : aura samyak jJAna aura samyak cAritra ke bAre meM kucha btaaie| dAdAzrI : aba, jaba samyak darzana ho jAe to, usake bAda dUsare anubhava hote jAte haiN| jaise-jaise anubhava hote haiM, vaise-vaise samyak jJAna ke aMza bar3hate jAte haiN| samyak darzana se jo anubhava hote haiM, vaise-vaise samyak jJAna ke aMza bar3hate jAte haiN| arthAt samyak darzana aura samyak jJAna kI dazA bar3hane para samyak cAritra kI zuruAta hotI hai| rAga-dveSa rahita cAritra hI samyak cAritra kahalAtA hai| mokSa to khuda kA svabhAva hI hai ! jaba jJAna, darzana va cAritra samyak ho jAe~ to, usI ko mokSa kahate haiN| ye jJAna-darzana-cAritra mithyA haiM. usake bajAya yadi samyak ho jAe~ to mokSa hI hai| praznakartA : saMsAra meM bhI mithyA jJAna, darzana aura cAritra hote haiM na?

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260 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : isa saMsAra meM jJAna-darzana-cAritra sabhI kucha haiM to sahI aura tapa bhI hai lekina vaha mithyA hai jabaki yaha samyak hai| mithyA arthAt vinAzI sukha ke hetu se aura yaha sanAtana sukha ke hetu se hai| bhagavAna ne darzana to use kahA hai ki dRSTi badala jAe to darzana hai varnA darzana nahIM hai, adarzana hai| jisa jJAna se dRSTi badala jAe vahI jJAna, jJAna hai aura jisa jJAna se dRSTi nahIM badale vaha ajJAna hai| ataH adarzana hai, ajJAna hai| yaha darzana hai, jJAna hai| jahA~ para darzana va jJAna haiM, bhagavAna ne use cAritra kahA hai aura jahA~ para adarzana aura ajJAna haiM, use kucAritra kahA hai| jJAna para jo AvaraNa haiM, vaha ajJAna hai aura darzana para jo AvaraNa haiM, vaha adarzana hai| ajJAna aura adarzana kA pariNAma kyA AtA hai? 'kssaay'| aura jJAna va darzana kA phala kyA hai ? 'smaadhi'| AtmA kA darzana, anubhava aura jJAna praznakartA : pratIti kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : koI kahe ki yaha merI strI hai| taba koI pUche 'nahIM abhI taka samajha meM nahIM aayaa'| taba kahatA hai, 'patnI hai'| usake zabda to haiM hii| use strI zabda se samajha meM nahIM AyA to patnI kahatA hai taba samajha meM AegA na? to pratIti arthAt drshn| praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA zraddhA meM rahe to vaha pratIti kahalAegI na? dAdAzrI : zraddhA use kahate haiM jo haTa jAtI hai, vizvAsa uTha jAtA hai| baiThI huI zraddhA uTha jAtI hai, pratIti nahIM utthtii| praznakartA : to yaha darzana kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : hA~, darzana khlaaegaa| jo uThegA nhiiN| praznakartA : darzana kA matalaba kyA hai ?

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 261 dAdAzrI : darzana arthAt jo samajha meM phiTa ho gayA hai| praznakartA : agara isa pratIti ko darzana kaheMge to lakSa kisameM samAegA? dAdAzrI : anubhava, lakSa aura prtiiti| pratIti kA samAveza darzana meM hotA hai| lakSa kA jAgRti meN| lakSa arthAt jaagRti| aura jo pratIti huI hai vaha anubhava meM A jAe to, usI ko 'jJAna honA' kahate haiN| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha darzana hai, aura jaba usakA anubhava hotA hai to vaha jJAna hai| praznakartA : hama 'AtmA kA jJAna' kahate haiM aura phira 'AtmA kA anubhava' kahate haiM, to AtmA ke anubhava aura AtmA ke jJAna meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA jJAna saMpUrNa kahalAtA hai aura aMza-aMza karake anubhava kahalAtA hai| aMza jJAna ko anubhava kahA gayA hai aura sarvAMza jJAna ko jJAna kahA gayA hai| eka-eka aMza bar3hate-bar3hate saMpUrNa anubhava ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : aura abhI jinheM Apa jJAna dete haiM, una logoM ko AtmA kA jJAna hotA hai yA AtmA kA anubhava bhI hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : sabhI ko anubhava hI hotA hai| yadi anubhava nahIM hai to phira AtmA hI nahIM hai na? praznakartA : kyA jAgRti anubhava kA hI bhAga hai? dAdAzrI : jAgRti rahatI hI hai| praznakartA : vahI anubhava hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jAgRti to aisI cIz2a hai ki jisase hameM ye sAre dUsare anubhava hote haiN| eka tarapha likheM ki pahale jo caMdUbhAI the, ve kaise the aura dUsarA abhI ke caMdUbhAI kaise haiM? vaha kisa vajaha se hai? to vaha

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262 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) isalie ki yaha jo jJAna milA hai, isake pratApa se, jAgRti ke pratApa se| yaha AtmA kI tarapha kI dizA jaga gaI hai| rAiTa dizA meM aura isa roMga dizA meM the, vaha pUrA hI cenja ho jAtA hai| 100 parasenTa cenja lagatA praznakartA : hA~, cenja ho jAtA hai, ThIka hai| lekina cenja kaba hotA hai, jAgRti Ane ke bAda hI cenja hotA hai na?! dAdAzrI : yaha jJAna dene ke bAda use jAgRti A hI jAtI hai| praznakartA : jJAna dene ke bAda jAgRti A jAtI hai| usase dhIredhIre usake pUre jIvana meM parivartana AtA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, parivartana AtA jAtA hai| phira khuda ke doSa dikhAI dene lagate haiN| isa daniyA meM kisI ko bhI khada ke doSa nahIM dikhAI dete| sAmane vAle ke doSa nikAlane hoM to sabhI nikAla lete haiN| yahA~ para khuda ke doSa dikhAI dete haiM, khuda kA sabakucha dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : phira jaba kucha kharAba yA galata, acchA yA burA, usakA patA calatA hai to vaha anubhava kahalAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, anubhava nhiiN| bAkI khuda ko saba khabara rahatI hai, patA calatA hai, vahI AtmA hai lekina abhI bhI vaha AtmA darzanAtmA kahalAtA hai| bAda meM dhIre-dhIre, jaise-jaise anubhava bar3hatA jAegA vaisevaise vaha jJAnAtmA banatA jaaegaa| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai, dAdA vaha anubhava to huA hai ki jaba gussA Ane vAlA ho to turaMta hI patA cala jAtA hai| yaha jAgRti A jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, turaMta hI A jAtI hai| isa jagat meM yadi jJAna nahIM hotA na to use khuda kI bhUla kabhI dikhAI hI nahIM detI, aMdhA hI rhtaa| jabaki jJAna vAle ko sArI bhUleM dikhAI detI haiN| bahuta sArI bhUleM dikhAI detI haiN| ohoho... roz2a kI sau-sau bhUleM dikhAI detI haiM!

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 263 AtmA kA anubhava : tapa aura cAritra praznakartA : aba yaha jo anubhava hai, kyA use cAritra kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, cAritra nahIM, anubhava kA matalaba hai... anubhava use kahate haiM ki jo 'pratIti' pakkI huI hai ki yaha sahI hai, jaise-jaise vaha anubhava pakkA hotA jAegA vaise-vaise jJAna taiyAra hotA jaaegaa| praznakartA : to aisA kaba kahA jAegA ki cAritra meM A gayA? dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba jJAna aura darzana kA phala AegA taba cAritra khlaaegaa| jitane pramANa (mAtrA) meM anubhava, utane hI pramANa meM vItarAgatA aura utanA hI cAritra kahA jaaegaa| tapa ke binA cAritra nahIM hai| jitanA tapa karoge, utanA hI cAritra utpanna hogaa| tapa ko dekhanA aura jAnanA, vahI cAritra hai| praznakartA : to abhI darzana meM Ane ke bAda use samajha meM A gayA aura use jJAna meM yaha pakkA ho gayA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to... dAdAzrI : use anubhava honA kahate haiN| jitanA anubhava hotA hai, utanA hI use aMza jJAna hotA hai, isa prakAra phira sarvAMza jJAna hotA hai aura darzana to sarvAMza hI diyA huA hai| kevaladarzana diyA hai lekina jitanA jJAna hotA hai utanA hI cAritra meM bartatA hai| to jaise-jaise jJAna meM AtA jAegA vaise-vaise phira cAritra bar3hatA jaaegaa| praznakartA : to kyA aisA kaha sakate haiM ki anubhava ke samaya aMza jJAna pariNAmita huA? dAdAzrI : jitanA anubhava huA, utanA hI jJAna meM AyA, aisA kahA jaaegaa| anubhava meM nahIM AyA to use jJAna nahIM kheNge| praznakartA : to jitanA anubhava meM AegA utane aMzoM taka cAritra meM AegA hI na? dAdAzrI : phira cAritra meM aaegaa| yahA~ para jaba jJAna dete haiM, tabhI

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) se darzana to hai hii| aba jaise-jaise anubhava hotA jAegA, vahI jJAna hai / phira roz2a satsaMga meM baiThate ho na to jJAnI dazA ke sabhI paryAya pUrNa ho jaaeNge| anubhava aura darzana donoM kA guNA hone para cAritra meM AtA hai| darzana prakaTa hone ke bAda jaise-jaise jJAna pariNAmita hogA, vaise-vaise cAritra utpanna hogA arthAt jaba jJAna aura darzana kA phala AegA vaise-vaise aba bhItara cAritra AtA jaaegaa| jitanA tapa karoge utanA hI cAritra utpanna hogA! jaba-jaba cAritra utpanna hotA hai isakA matalaba tapa pUrNa ho cukA hai| tapa kA maukA Ae aura tapa na ho pAe to vaha cAritra ko bAhara rakha degA, khatma kara degA / tapa honA vaha bhAga cAritra meM jAtA hai / jitanI - jitanI bAtoM meM tapa huA, usI ko cAritra kahate haiM / tapa pUrNa hone ke bAda hI cAritra AtA hai I 264 kramika mArga meM jJAna ke anusAra, jJAna ke anubhava se pratIti prApta hotI hai / hamAre lie isa akrama mArga meM pratIti ke anusAra jitanA anubhava hotA hai, utanA hI jJAna prakaTa hotA hai / jo pratIti huI hai, usakA anubhava meM AnA, usI ko jJAna honA kahate haiN| darzana kisakA kahalAtA hai ? praznakartA : yaha jo darzana meM AtA hai, vaha darzana prajJA kA guNa hai yA buddhi kA ? darzana kisakA kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha to aisI cIz2a hai jo prajJA ko bhI dikhAtI hai / prajJA ko bhI dikhAne vAlI cIz2a hai| darzana arthAt yaha pratIti ki hama AtmA haiN| pahale usakI pratIti baiThanI cAhie aura pratIti baiThane ke bAda vaha prApta hotA hai| praznakartA : vaha pratIti kise, prajJA ko hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : pratIti ahaMkAra ko hotI hai ki 'maiM vAstava meM yaha nahIM hU~, yaha huuN'| ahaMkAra ko jo pratIti thI ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', to vaha pratIti vahA~ se uThakara yahA~ para baiTha gaI, usI ko darzana kahate haiM /

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 265 praznakartA : kyA vaha pratIti prajJA kI vajaha se hai? vaha pratIti prajJA karavAtI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| prajJA nahIM krvaatii| maiM yaha jo jJAna detA hU~, vaha karavAtA hai aura dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA karavAtI hai| maiM jJAna detA haiM aura dAdA bhagavAna kI kRpA se aisA lagatA hai ki 'vAstava meM aisA hI hai| Aja taka kA saba galata thA, Aja taka kI sabhI mAnyatAe~ galata haiN'| jo roMga bilIpha thI vaha rAiTa bilIpha bana gaI, bs| bIca meM buddhi kI dakhalaMdAjI hai hI nhiiN| sat meM samA jAte haiM ye tInoM hI praznakartA : kyA bilIpha se satya milatA hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha duniyA bhI roMga bilIpha hai| roMga bilIpha se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai aura rAiTa bilIpha se 'vaha' mokSa milatA hai| bilIpha ke alAvA kucha bhI nahIM hai| bilIpha se kucha jyAdA nahIM bigar3A hai| sirpha itanA sA bilIpha vAlA bhAga hI sar3a gayA hai| jJAna nahIM sar3A hai| yadi jJAna sar3a gayA hotA taba to phira khatma hI ho jaataa| sirpha bilIpha hI sar3I hai to usa bilIpha, roMga bilIpha ko khatma kara deM aura rAiTa bilIpha biThA deM to vApasa A jaaegaa| praznakartA : to rAiTa bilIpha aura satya ke bIca meM kitanA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : rAiTa bilIpha aura satya? nhiiN| vaha jo sat hai na, vaha rAiTa bilIpha, rAiTa jJAna aura rAiTa cAritra, ye tInoM 'sat' meM samA jAte haiN| sat inameM nahIM smaataa| sat inameM se kisI bhI cIz2a meM nahIM samA sktaa| praznakartA : phira se smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : rAiTa bilIpha, rAiTa jJAna aura rAiTa cAritra, ye tInoM hI 'sat' zabda meM samA jAte haiM lekina 'sat' inameM se eka meM bhI nahIM prara

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266 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) samA sktaa| rAiTa bilIpha yA kisI meM bhI nahIM samA sktaa| 'sat' itanA bar3A hai ki ye tInoM 'sat' meM samA jAe~ge lekina 'sat' inameM se kisI meM bhI nahIM samA sktaa| praznakartA : hamAre jJAna lene ke bAda ina tInoM meM se kucha bhI prApta honA bAkI nahIM rahatA na hamAre lie? dAdAzrI : apanA jJAna hai hI aisA na ki tInoM ko sparza karatA hai| darzana-jJAna-cAritra arthAt tInoM aMzoM se jAgRta ho jAtA hai lekina phira sarvAMza to dhIre-dhIre jaise-jaise AjJA pAlana karegA vaise-vaise yaha hotA jaaegaa| koI Apase pUche ki Apa bhagavAna haiM yA bhagavAna ke bhakta? taba ye caMdUbhAI kisI se kyA kaheMge, kyA javAba deMge? praznakartA : vyavahAra se bhakta kahanA pdd'egaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina agara Apase aisA kaheM ki bhagavAna ho, to? praznakartA : 'bhagavAna hU~', aisA kahA jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : lekina kisa prakAra se? praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', islie| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina kyA pUre bhagavAna ho? praznakartA : nr-naaraaynn| caMdUbhAI nara aura maiM naaraaynn| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nhiiN| bilIpha meM, zraddhA se 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' mujhe zraddhA baiTha gaI hai| maiM bana nahIM gayA hU~, abhI taka zraddhA hI baiThI hai| abhI to jaba ho jAegA taba btaauuNgaa| kahanA, 'usake bAda aanaa| Apa jo mA~goge vaha duuNgaa'| lekina taba agara koI kahe, 'tU bhakta nahIM hai?' taba phira kyA kahoge? praznakartA : bhagavAna aura bhakta alaga haiN|

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana dAdAzrI : 'bhakta hU~', aisA kahA jAegA lekina vyavahAra se / nizcaya se arthAt vAstava meM 'maiM bhagavAna hU~', aisI mujhe zraddhA baiTha gaI hai / 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' aisI zraddhA baiTha jAne ke bAda chUTa kArA ho jaaegaa| darzana kA artha yahI hai ki 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' aisI zraddhA baiTha gaI / use darzana kahate haiM aura jJAna arthAt tere anubhava meM aisA hai ki 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' / darzana zraddhA meM hai aura jJAna anubhava meM hai| 267 'kauna hU~' aisA kahegA hI na ! maiM zraddhA se bhagavAna hU~, vaha zraddhA hai lekina, nizcaya se| vaha saba nizcaya kahalAtA hai aura vyavahAra se jo ho vaha, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, inakA phaoNloara hU~, vakIla hU~' vyavahAra se aisA saba kahanA hai| jo khuda ko jAne, vaha khudaa| lekina zraddhA se khudA hai, khudA bana nahIM gayA hai| abhI jJAna meM khudA nahIM hai, yadi jJAna meM khudA bana jAoge tabhI vaha pUchane AegA / Apako usase kahanA par3egA ki ' bhAI, jJAna se khudA nahIM banA huuN| jJAna se to dAdA khudA haiM / vahA~ para jaao| maiM zraddhA se khudA huuN'| jo khuda ko jAne vaha khudA / dUsarA khudA kahA~ se le AyA? dekho na, khudA aura ziva ke nAma se lar3AiyA~ cala hI rahI haiM na bAhara ? nija prakRti ke jJAtA - dRSTA, vahI cAritra aba agara koI pUche, 'isa jJAna ke bAda bhI caMdUbhAI kA vartana aisA kyoM hai?' taba maiM kahU~gA ki 'bhAI, inake vartana kI tarapha mata dekhanA kyoMki inakI bilIpha alaga hai aura inakA vartana alaga hai'| bilIpha kucha ora hI prakAra kI hai| ApakA vartana alaga hai aura bilIpha meM alaga hai, aisA Apako anubhava huA hai na ? kyoMki yaha jo vartana hai vaha pahale kI bilIpha ke AdhAra para hai aura Aja Apako naI bilIpha milI hai ataH isakA jo vartana AegA vaha kucha alaga hI prakAra kA aaegaa| pahale bilIpha meM AtA hai usake bAda vartana meM AtA hai /

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268 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : samyak darzana hone ke bAda meM phira bilIpha kisa prakAra se kahI jA sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| vaha to hama 'bilIpha' zabda kahakara paricaya karavAte haiM use| use samyak darzana kahate haiN| lekina ina aMgrez2I par3helikhe logoM ko 'bilIpha' kahakara samajhAte haiN| varnA bilIpha to vyavahArika cIz2a hai, vaha koI mukhya cIz2a nahIM hai| samyak darzana mukhya cIz2a hai lekina hama aMgulI nirdeza karane ke lie bilIpha zabda kA upayoga karate haiN| use pahacAnane ke lie kucha to kahanA par3egA na? praznakartA : kahanA caahie| inddikettr| dAdAzrI : inddikettr| praznakartA : rAiTa bilIpha hI samyak darzana hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~! AtmA kI pratIti baiThanA, vahI samyak darzana hai yA AtmA ke alAvA kucha aura hai ? to kahate haiM, 'pudgl'| aisI pratIti baiThanA, vaha saba samyak darzana hai| praznakartA : ataH yaha jo bilIpha hai na, kyA vaha sAmAnya mAnyatA kA zabda hai? dAdAzrI : darzana to bilIpha se bhI bahuta Age kI cIz2a hai| abhI Apako aMdara cetAvanI detA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : cetAvanI detA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, to vaha khuda, anubhava ho jAne ke bAda cetAvanI detA hai| aba, use jJAna kahate haiN| aura cAritra kaba kahA jAegA? jaba bAhara kI dakhalaMdAjI na rahe taba cAritra rahatA hai| naukarI vagairaha kucha aisA saba, kapar3e nahIM pahanane hote, bAkI koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM rhtii| cAritra arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA, bs| lekina vaha kisake jJAtA-dRSTA? 'caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM' Apa usake jnyaataa-dRssttaa| khuda kI prakRti ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, use kahate haiM caaritr|

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 269 samajha, anubhava-lakSa-pratIti kI hA~ cAritra arthAt jJAna-darzana kA upayoga rhaa| jise jJAtA-dRSTA kA upayoga rahA, usI ko cAritra kahate haiN| yaha vyavahAra cAritra alaga hai aura yaha cAritra alaga hai| Apa loga kAphI kucha jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM rahate ho na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : usa samaya Apa cAritra meM rahate ho| aba, jJAna jaba pravartita hotA hai taba kahA jAegA ki paca gyaa| arthAt jJAna kA upayoga rahatA hI hai| jaba cAritra meM A jAe taba kahA jAegA ki paca gyaa| pahale cAritra nahIM hai| jJAna meM hai, cAritra meM nahIM aayaa| ataH yaha jo jJAna hai vaha 360 DigrI kA hai| maiM jo detA hU~, vaha bhI 360 DigrI vAlA hai| praznakartA : lekina pUrI taraha se cAritra meM nahIM AyA hai ? dAdAzrI : merA bhI pUrI taraha se cAritra meM nahIM AyA hai| praznakartA : anubhava meM pUrI taraha se A gayA hai ? dAdAzrI : anubhava meM saba A gayA hai| aura Apako isase kyA lAbha hotA hai ki pahale Apako pUrNa rUpa se pratIti baiTha jAtI hai aura phira thor3e bahuta anubhava kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| pratIti to usI kSaNa baiTha jAtI hai| jaba jJAnavidhi meM bola rahe the... usa samaya pratIti baiThatI jAtI hai aura pApa bhasmIbhUta hote jAte haiN| pahale pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiM, usake bAda pratIti baiThatI hai| bahuta sAre kArya hote rahate haiM aNdr| una do ghaMToM meM to aMdara itane sAre kArya ho jAte haiM ki behada kArya hote rahate haiM! praznakartA : lekina vaha vastu samajha meM nahIM AtI ki yaha 'pratIti baiTha gaI hai|

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM, samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| samajhanA AsAna nahIM hai na! khuda ko patA calatA hai ki ' bhAI, yaha kucha baiTha (seTa ho) gayA hai'| agara apane pAsa koI hIrA ho to hameM usakI pratIti nahIM hotI isalie hama sabhI jagaha jA~ca karavAkara Ate haiM / jA~ca karavAne ke bAda usa hIre ko bahuta saste meM kisI jagaha para beca dete haiM / hameM kahate haiM ki do araba kA hai lekina hameM aisA lagatA hai ki 'are bhAI 100, 200, 500 jo Ae vaha le lo na !' vaha isalie, kyoMki pratIti nahIM baiThI hai aura yadi pratIti baiTha jAe to phira use duHkha ho yA khAne ko na ho, phira bhI nahIM becegA / 270 praznakartA : hA~, usakI kImata patA calane ke bAda nahIM becegaa| I dAdAzrI : vahI hai pratIti baiThanA ! praznakartA: pratIti baiTha jAtI hai phira / aba isameM yaha kisa prakAra se hai ? dAdAzrI : aura vaha pratIti uTha gaI / praznakartA : kauna sI pratIti ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, aisA hU~, vaisA hU~', vaha jo sArI roMga bilIpheM thIM, ve saba uTha gaI / 'isakA phAdara hU~, isakA mAmA hU~, isakA cAcA hU~, isakA phUphA hU~', vaha sArI pratIti uTha gaI aura yaha pratIti baitthii| use kSAyika darzana kahate haiM / kSAyika darzana arthAt usameM samajhane kI sabhI cIz2eM A gii| phira bhI abhI Apako kyoM samajhanA hai ? samajhane vAlI cIz2a A gaI hai lekina Apa pUrI taraha se samajhe nahIM ho isalie Apako bAra-bAra pUchate rahanA hai| praznakartA : pUchate rahane se samajha meM A jAegA ? dAdAzrI : yAnI mUlata: vaha samajha kI lAina sArI pUrI ho jAtI hai aura usake bAda meM anubhava ke aMza bartate haiN|

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 271 praznakartA : khuda kabUla karatA hai ki pahale, jaisI khuda kI mAnasikatA thI usameM aura abhI meM bahuta pharka A gayA hai| pariNAma kI bAta kabUla hotI hai| dAdAzrI : hamezA hI kisI bhI cIz2a meM cenja kaba AtA hai ? jaba usakI vaha pratIti uTha jAe aura naI pratIti baiTha jAe tabhI cenja hotA hai, varnA cenja nahIM hogaa| yaha rAstA galata hai, phira bhI roz2a usI para jAte haiN| praznakartA : unakA gharelU naukara ThIka se kAma nahIM kare to kaI bAra gussA ho jAte the| pahale apaseTa ho jAte the lekina aba jJAna ke bAda apaseTa nahIM hote, bahuta gussA nahIM hote| dAdAzrI : arthAt sabhI bahata ucca pariNAma Ae haiN| hameM pariNAma se kAma hai na! hameM zabdoM kI mArA-mArI nahIM hai| hameM pariNAma milatA hai yA nahIM? agara usakA pariNAma nahIM AtA to phira mujhe dhyAna rakhanA pdd'taa| praznakartA : kaI bAra vyavahAra aura nizcaya kI jo bAta hai, loga use ThIka se samajha nahIM paate| vyavahAra kI bAta nizcaya meM le jAte haiM aura nizcaya kI bAta vyavahAra meM le jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha ThIka hai| anAdikAla se logoM ko Adata nahIM hai na isalie agara isa prakAra se Age le jAe~ phira bhI vApasa dUsare rAste para cale jAte haiN| isakA pariNAma acchA aaegaa| maiM itanA hI dekhatA hU~ ki pariNAma A rahA hai yA nhiiN| praznakartA : hA~, pariNAma AyA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha vijJAna khuda hI pariNAma lAnevAlA hai| yaha Apako karanA nahIM hai| Apa yadi dakhala nahIM karoge to Apako mokSa meM le jaaegaa| praznakartA : samyak darzana, jJAna aura cAritra ratnatrayI kahalAte haiN| kyA manuSya ko mukti dilavAne ke lie ye z2arUrI haiM ?

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272 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura 'yaha phAila hai', aisI pratIti baiTha jAe to use samyak darzana kahate haiN| usake bAda, yaha phAila hI hai aura phAila ko Apa jAnate ho ki 'isa phAila meM kyA-kyA hai| isameM kyAkyA hai', agara vaha saba jAnate ho to use jJAna kheNge| aura jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vaha hai caaritr| praznakartA : naI Dephinezana hai, naI paribhASA hai| bahuta pasaMda aaii| bahuta suMdara prakAra se smjhaayaa| kyA kamI hai mahAtmAoM meM? praznakartA : udAharaNa ke taura para Apako AtmA kA jo darzana huA hai to vaha AtmA ke guNoM ke rUpa meM darzana meM AyA hai na! lekina dUsaroM ko vaisA darzana meM nahIM A sakatA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| samyak darzana hI AtmA kA guNa hai| Apa sabhI ko ho cukA hai na samyak darzana! praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai lekina hamAre pAsa yaha jo AtmA kA guNa hai, usakA hama koI anya upayoga to nahIM kara sakate na? dAdAzrI : kyoM? karate ho na? praznakartA : nahIM jisa taraha se Apake dvArA usakA upayoga hotA hai... dAdAzrI : usase thor3A kama hogaa| praznakartA : yoM samajha meM to sabhI bAteM A jAtI haiM lekina Apako jo anubhava hotA hai, Apako jo anubhava meM AtA hai... dAdAzrI : vaha darzana to ApakA pUrNa ho cukA hai ekdm| sirpha jJAna meM adhUrA hai| darzana to pUrNa ho cukA hai isalie ApakI dRSTi badala gaI hai, pUrI hii| darzana arthAt dRsstti| jo dRSTi saMsAra sammukha thI vaha dRSTi pUrI hI badala gaI hai aura sirpha Atma sammukha ho gaI hai ataH pUrI

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 273 hI badala gaI hai| Atma sammukha ke anubhava hone caahie| abhI bhI ve jisa prakAra ke hone cAhie, usa prakAra se ho nahIM paate| ataH darzana to pUrNa hai aura yaha kSAyika darzana hai, yAnI ki pUrNa pada kA darzana hai| sirpha jJAna meM aMtara hai| jJAna meM aMtara hone kI vajaha se cAritra meM aMtara hai| jJAna meM aMtara kA matalaba kyA hai? abhI kisI vyakti kA apamAna ho jAe aura phira vaha duHkhI ho jAe to hama kahate haiM ki 'are tU to AtmA hai, aba itanA duHkhI kyoM ho rahA hai!' yoM to nyAya karane meM pakkA lekina khuda kA apamAna hone para khinna ho jAtA hai| usakA kAraNa yaha hai ki abhI taka jJAna anubhava meM nahIM AyA hai| eka bAra aisA hotA hai aura phira jaba naoNrmala hone (ThikAne para Ane) ke bAda anubhava meM A jAe, taba phira agara usake bAda dekheM to dUsarI bAra anubhava meM A cukA hotA hai| vaha anubhava meM AnA cAhie, usI ko jJAna kahate haiN| jisakI pratIti baiTha gaI hai, usa cIz2a ko jAne arthAt anubhava meM Ae taba vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| jisa bAta kI pratIti baiTha cukI hai, jaba vaha anubhava meM AtI hai taba vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| yoM anubhava se prakaTa hotA hai jJAna hameM yaha pUrA hI saMsAra darzana meM A cukA hai lekina jaba anubhava meM AegA, taba vaha jJAna kevalajJAna khlaaegaa| varnA yadi anubhava meM nahIM AyA to kevalajJAna kaise kaheMge? kevaladarzana meM rhegaa| praznakartA : ataH jaba vaha jAgRti anubhava meM AtI hai taba vaha jJAna svarUpa hI ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha aisA nahIM hai| jAgRti to yahI kI yahI rahatI hai lekina bAda meM jaba anubhava pUrNa ho jAtA hai taba kevalajJAna hii| jAgRti ekadama bar3ha jAtI hai| kevala (pUrNa) ho jAtI hai| yAnI mukhyataH isameM jo dekhanA hai to darzana hI dekhanA hai| jJAna nahIM dekhanA hai, jJeya nahIM dekhane haiN| praznakartA : to mukhya cIz2a darzana hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, mukhya cIz2a darzana hai|

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274 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : aura usake AdhAra para eka bAra pUrA hI darzana meM A jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~! phira jaba taka anubhava kA 'pramANa' (kanpharmezana) nahIM hogA taba taka jJAna kA 'pramANa' nahIM hogaa| dekhA huA, jo pratIti meM baiTha cukA hai, jaba taka vaha anubhava meM nahIM AtA, taba taka vaha darzana meM rahatA hai aura jaba anubhava meM A jAtA hai taba vaha jJAna ho jAtA hai| aba apanA jo hai vaha darzana, jJAna aura cAritra hai| kramika meM yaha jJAna, darzana aura cAritra hai| ataH unakA jo jJAna hai, vaha zAstroM ke AdhAra para hai| zAstroM meM se yA kahIM para sunA ho, vaha saba matijJAna ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hotA hai aura unake lie matijJAna hI jJAna hai| vaha matijJAna jaba anubhava meM AtA hai taba darzana, pratIti sthApita karatA hai| praznakartA : to use to vaha anubhava ho gayA isalie to vaha pratIti huii| dAdAzrI : hA~, yahA~ para pahale pratIti dI jAtI hai| varnA pratIti to, jJAna kA anubhava hone ke bAda hI pratIti hotI hai| praznakartA : arthAt prApta saMyogoM meM isa darzana kA upayoga kiyA jA sakatA hai usase jo anubhava prApta hogA, vahI jJAna ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jitane anubhava hoMge, utne| usake bAda vaha jJeya bana jaaegaa| anubhava kise kahate haiM ki jo bAda meM badale nhiiN| praznakartA : taba vaha darzana pakkA ho jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : darzana ke anusAra hI yadi kabhI anubhava ho jAe~ to phira anya saMyogoM se bhI vaha anubhava badaleMge nhiiN| praznakartA : aba vaha use darzana meM to A gayA hai lekina use anubhava kisake AdhAra para hotA hai?

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 275 dAdAzrI : vaha to, hamArI jo bhI avasthA utpanna ho, una avasthAoM ko hama pAra kareM to hameM anubhava ho jaaegaa| aba agara terI jeba kaTa jAe to, tere darzana meM hai, pratIti meM hai ki jaba 'jeba kaTI to isase hameM koI lenA-denA nahIM hai, sAmane vAlA gunahagAra hai hI nahIM, maiM hI gunahagAra hU~' lekina usa kSaNa anubhava ke binA aisA rahanA muzkila hai| phira tujhe aisA ho... praznakartA : eka bAra kaTa jAe arthAt isa taraha se jeba kaTanI hI cAhie eka bAra? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| kaTane ke bAda asara nahIM honA cAhie aura jJAna hAz2ira rahanA caahie| pahale anubhava ho cukA ho to vaha aba kAma kregaa| varnA abhI agara dUsarI bAra bhI vaha anubhava nahIM huA hogA to abhI bhI aMdara duHkhI ho jAegA aura phira ThikAne para AegA lekina vaha anubhavapUrvaka nahIM kahA jaaegaa| anubhava to, jeba kaTate hI lage ki jaise kucha huA hI nahIM hai| phira to vaha anubhava jAegA hI nahIM isIlie to aisI ghaTanAe~ Apake lie hitakArI haiM na! aise sabhI mauke jo Ate haiM, ve Apako anubhava karavAne ke lie Ate haiN| yoM hI nahIM aate| koI dhaula lagA jAe to yoM hI lagA dI, kyA muphta meM lagA gayA? anubhava dekara jAtA hai| koI dhaula lagAe to anubhava degaa| tujhe lagAe taba dhyAna rkhnaa| lekina bAhara kisI se aisA kaha mata denA ki 'mujhe aisA anubhava karanA hai'| varnA yaha jagat to aisA hai na ki mithyAcArI hai| unheM jokhima uThAte dera nahIM lagegI na! 'jo hogA dekhA jAegA' kheNge| jitanA anubhava hogA utanA hI cAritra zurU ho jaaegaa| anubhava pramANa (kanpharmezana) ke binA cAritra utpanna nahIM hotA, prakaTa nahIM hotaa| aura taba, usa samaya aMdara pratIti ke anusAra tapa karanA par3atA hai| jeba kaTa jAe, taba usa pratIti ke anusAra sthira rahane ke lie tapa kI z2arUrata par3atI hai| vaha hai jJAna-darzana-cAritra aura tp| yadi tapa rahe to anubhava prakaTa hotA jAtA hai|

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276 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kramika meM jJAna-darzana-jJAna-cAritra praznakartA : kramika meM pahale 'jJAna' bolate haiM, usake bAda 'drshn'| aisA kyoM? dAdAzrI : kramika mArga meM pahale jJAna hai aura usake bAda darzana aura usake bAda caaritr| jabaki apane akrama vijJAna meM pahale darzana usake bAda jJAna aura usake bAda cAritra hai| yahA~ para pahale use darzana ho jAtA hai| phira jaise-jaise anubhava hote jAte haiM, jitane anubhava ke aMza ikaTThe hote haiM vaise-vaise spaSTa vedana hotA jAtA hai| AtmA kA spaSTa vedana hotA jAtA hai| jaise-jaise anubhava hote jAte haiM vaise-vaise spaSTa vijJAna hotA jAtA hai| usake bAda 'anaMtA jJeyoM ko jAnane meM pariNAmita anaMtI avasthAoM meM maiM saMpUrNa zuddha hU~, sarvAMga zuddha huuN'| hara eka jJeya meM, use jAnane meM pariNAmita huI avasthA meM hone ke bAvajUda bhI khuda para z2arA sA bhI dAg2a nahIM pdd'taa| sabakucha dekhatA va jAnatA hai phira bhii| praznakartA : to kyA kramika mArga meM hara kisI ko satahI (suparaphluasa) jJAna hI hotA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| satahI jJAna hii| pahale vyavahAra satahI hotA hai aura phira apane Apa hI kudaratI rUpa se hI joinTa ho jAtA hai| varnA phira bhI koI jJAnIpuruSa kI z2arUrata to hai hii| ye jJAna-darzana-cAritra vyavahAra se haiN| nizcaya se darzana, jJAna aura cAritra haiN| praznakartA : hA~, vaha darzana-jJAna nizcaya se hai lekina dAdA, kramika meM una logoM ko kabhI to nizcaya se aisA rahatA hogA na dAdA? dAdAzrI : hA~, isa jJAna meM se... isa zAstrajJAna ko par3hate, par3hate, par3hate zabdajJAna para A jAte haiM aura AtmA zabda para use zraddhA ho jAtI hai| aura use aisA lagatA hai ki 'hA~, vAstava meM AtmA aisA hI hai, jaisA ye saba loga kaha rahe haiN| ye jo zabda kaha rahe haiM, vaisA hI hai| yaha anya kucha nahIM hai| vaha pratIti baiTha jAtI hai lekina phira bahuta dhIre, dhIre, dhiire| grejyualI kAma hotA rahatA hai|

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 277 praznakartA : hA~, phira use jJAna ho jAne ke bAda aMta meM darzana to phira use oNTomaiTika ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : oNTomaiTika nahIM, darzana hone meM hI dera lagatI hai| praznakartA : to phira pahale darzana aura usake bAda jnyaan| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| usa jJAna meM se darzana utpanna hotA hai| use aisA lagatA hai ki 'yaha kucha hai'| vahA~ para vaha ruka jAtA hai| praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai lekina jo ho cukA hai, eka bAra jAnA ki yaha jAna liyA, dekhA nahIM lekina jAnA hai, phira oNTomaiTikalI dekhanA A hI jAegA na? jitanA jAnA hai| dAdAzrI : vahA~ para jo kucha bhI 'jAnA' hai na, vaha satahI hai, suparaphluasa hai, aura hamAre yahA~ jo 'jAnA', vaha anubhava hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai, lekina una logoM meM jaba suparaphluasa nahIM rahatA aura ekz2ekTa ho jAtA hai, taba kI sthiti kyA hotI hai? kabhI na kabhI to ekjekTanesa meM Ate hI hoMge na ve loga? taba kyA rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : Ate haiM n| praznakartA : taba jJAna aura phira darzana vaha kisa prakAra se ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para phira vApasa jo jJAna-darzana-cAritra kahate haiM na, vaha vyavahAra se hai| phira Age jAkara vahI vyavahAra darzana aura jJAna aura cAritra bana jAtA hai| nahIM to cAra zabda bolane pdd'eNge| vyavahAra hogA to jJAna, darzana, jJAna aura caaritr| praznakartA : jJAna, darzana, jJAna aura caaritr| dAdAzrI : hA~! usa jJAna (kramika) kA AdhAra liyA ho to cAra zabda haiN|

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278 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : hA~, vaha ThIka hai| pahale jJAna arthAt jo zAstra se huA hai, usake bAda usameM se darzana upajA, usake bAda... dAdAzrI : usake bAda anubhava kA jJAna, phira caaritr| praznakartA : to yaha ThIka samajha meM aayaa| aba sahI hai| samajha meM aayaa| Aja taka dAdA ne kabhI aisA samajhAyA nahIM thaa| pahalI bAra mujhe aisI samajha milii| dAdAzrI : lekina pUchatA kauna hai, koI pUchegA to bAta niklegii| kitanI sArI cIjeM haiN| Apa pUcho to mAla nikale! kramika meM rileTiva meM se riyala praznakartA : 'darzana se jo jJAna hotA hai, vaha riyala hai aura jJAna ke bAda meM jo darzana hotA hai, vaha rileTiva hai', z2arA yaha samajhAie n| dAdAzrI : ye pustaka aura zAstra par3hakara, yaha saba par3hakara usa jJAna se use jo darzana hotA hai, vaha sArA rileTiva jJAna hai| praznakartA : sabhI tIrthaMkara usa rileTiva meM se hI riyala meM gae the na? dAdAzrI : hA~, rileTiva meM se| lekina usameM to sabakucha nikAlatenikAlate, ahaMkAra zuddha karanA par3atA hai| ahaMkAra zuddha karane ke lie kyA-kyA karanA par3atA hai? ahaMkAra meM se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha kA eka-eka paramANu alaga karanA par3atA hai, nikAlanA par3atA hai aura ahaMkAra zuddha karanA par3atA hai| jisameM rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM, vaisA ahaMkAra yAnI jaba vItarAga ahaMkAra utpanna karate haiM, aMtima prakAra kA, taba zuddhAtmA milatA hai, aura taba Atma sAkSAtkAra hotA hai| praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM na ki sirpha apanA yaha mArga hI riyala mArga hai bAkI saba rileTiva haiN| aba ve rileTiva kisa AdhAra para haiM ? kisa vajaha se rileTiva haiM?

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 279 dAdAzrI : pustakoM se jo jJAna milatA hai, vaha jJAna rileTiva jJAna hai| usase cAhe kitanA bhI darzana meM A jAe to bhI rileTiva jJAna hai| AtmA kA, zabdoM meM se jo bhI jJAna milatA hai, vaha sArA rileTiva hai, aura jaba niHzabda jJAna hotA hai, vaha riyala hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA tIrthaMkaroM ne gaNadharoM ko jo jJAna diyA thA, to kyA ve loga bhI rileTiva meM se riyala meM gae? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI rileTiva meM se riyala meM ge| vaha sArA rileTiva meM se aMta taka tyAga krte-krte| praznakartA : lekina pratyakSa tIrthaMkara kI upasthiti thI na? dAdAzrI : upasthiti ho phira bhI yoM rileTiva jJAna kahalAtA hai| jahA~ para kucha bhI tyAga karanA ho, vaha sArA rileTiva mArga hai, riyala mArga nahIM hai| riyala mArga meM tyAga nahIM karanA hotaa| vahA~ para to ahaMkAra rahatA hai| ahaMkAra ke binA nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : aba isa hiMdustAna meM jitane dharma haiM, una sabhI ko Apane rileTiva kaha diyaa| dAdAzrI : sabhI rileTiva ! kramika meM, pustakoM meM se jAnA yA guruoM se jaanaa| apane yahA~ to maiM Apako jJAna de detA huuN| usase riyala darzana utpanna ho jAtA hai aura apane yahA~ vaha zAstrajJAna nahIM hai| vaha vAlA jJAna hamane liyA hI nahIM hai| use to kUTa-kUTakara, aura kitanA kUTeM? do mana kUTane para eka pAva vastu nikalatI hai| akrama meM svayaM kriyAkArI jJAna praznakartA : kramika meM pahale jJAna hotA hai aura usake bAda darzana meM AtA hai| usakA udAharaNa dIjie n| dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna kaisA hai ki aisA karoge to pApa lagegA, aisA karoge to puNya milegaa| vaha jJAna aisA hai| jar3a jJAna hai, cetana jJAna nahIM

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280 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) hai| cetana jJAna kauna sA kahalAtA hai ? apanA jJAna cetana jJAna hai jisake samajha meM Ane ke bAda jJAna ho jAtA hai| jabaki usa (kramika jJAna) se pahale samajha meM AtA hai| bhAna hotA hai ki yaha kucha hai| bhAna hotA hai ki kucha hai| vaha jJAna bhAna hone ke lie hai| phira bhI logoM ko bhAna nahIM hotA hai na! dekho na, lAkhoM sAloM se bhaTaka hI rahe haiM na loga! aura 'maiM caMdUbhAI, caMdUbhAI' bolakara bhaTaka hI rahe haiM na! 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, isa strI kA pati hU~ aura isakA mAmA hU~ aura isakA cAcA hU~!' praznakartA : caMdUbhAI banane kA abhyAsa pUrNa hone se pahale to phira upadezaka bana jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : jahA~ dekho vahA~ para yahI kA yahI abhyAsa, parezAnI mola lenI hai na! ataH jagat meM jJAna-darzana aura cAritra hai| apanA to akrama hai, ataH darzana-jJAna-cAritra hai, isIlie apanA jJAna kriyAkArI hai| jJAna apane Apa kAma karatA hI rahatA hai, Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA par3atA, aMdara jJAna hI karatA rahatA hai| jabaki kramika jJAna meM khuda ko kartApana rahatA hai, 'yaha karanA hai lekina ho nahIM pA rahA hai| aura phira 'nahIM ho pA rahA, nahIM ho pA rahA' gAtA rahatA hai| jJAna arthAt jo jJAna zabdoM se samajhanA hotA hai, use jJAna kahate haiM ve loga aura usameM se yadi aMdara sUjha par3e to vaha darzana kahalAtA hai| apane yahA~ to pahale sUjha, phira darzana aura usake bAda jJAna aura caaritr| ataH isa jagat meM kahIM para bhI kriyAkArI jJAna nahIM hai| kriyAkArI jJAna sirpha apane yahIM para hai ki 'ye caMdUbhAI haiM, ve so rahe hoM phira bhI unake aMdara jJAnakriyA kAma karatI rahatI hai| ApameM jJAna kAma karatA rahatA hai na! 'yaha maiM hU~, yaha maiM nahIM hU~, ye caMdUbhAI alaga haiM, yahA~ galatI huI, caMdUbhAI ne bhUla kii|' yoM sArI jJAnakriyA kAma karatI rahatI haiN| jJAna hI kAma karatA rahatA hai| isIlie kahate the na ki 'jJAna kAma karatA hI rahatA hai'| dAdA

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[5.1] jJAna-darzana 281 yaha kyA Azcarya hai? Apane kyA rakha diyA hai ? maiMne kahA, 'nahIM! isakA svabhAva hI aisA hai'| yaha kriyAkArI jJAna hai| yaha jaba taka Apako mokSa meM nahIM le jAegA taba taka chor3egA nhiiN| yaha jJAna hI aisA hai ki mokSa meM le jaaegaa| guhya, guhyatara aura guhyatama jJAna praznakartA : guhya jJAna, guhyatara jJAna aura guhyatama jJAna kise kaheMge? dAdAzrI : jisa jJAna se hameM pratIti ho jAe ki 'nahIM, yaha haMDreDa parasenTa sahI laga rahA hai', vaha sahI ho nahIM gayA hai lekina sahI laga rahA hai| jisa jJAna se haMDreDa parasenTa pratIti ho jAe, vaha gRhya jJAna kahalAtA hai| pratIti ho jAe ki vAstava meM 'maiM AtmA hI hU~, dAdAjI jaisA kaha rahe haiM, vaisA hI hU~', vaha guhya jJAna kahalAtA hai| aura guhyatara jJAna yAnI ki, aba guhya jJAna arthAt kyA? vaha darzana ke rUpa meM hai aura yaha guhyatara jJAna, vaha anubhava hai| jo darzana huA hai, usakA anubhava hai, aura guhyatama, vaha cAritra hai, saMpUrNa caaritr| yAnI ki 'sva' meM hI rahatA hai, 'para' meM jAtA hI nhiiN| 'sva' meM rahakara 'para' kA nirIkSaNa karatA rahatA hai| 'para' kA dRSTA rahatA hai| jaba taka guhya aura guhyatara jJAna hai taba taka donoM kA mikscara calatA rhegaa| kabhI yoM phisala par3atA hai, yoM phisala par3atA hai| usameM phisalanA-visalanA nahIM hotA, guhyatama jJAna meN| merI samajha ke anusAra usakA artha yaha hai| auroM ko jo samajha meM AtA hai vaha buddhi kA bheda hai, vaha alaga bAta hai| mujhameM to yaha buddhi rahita jJAna! praznakartA : Apane to adhyAtma kI bAta kahI lekina zAbdika artha nikAleMge to thor3A alaga taraha kA hogaa| dAdAzrI : merA kahanA hai ki guhya jJAna jaisA kucha hotA hI nahIM hai| kisI na kisI prakAra se opana ho hI cukA hotA hai| guhya jJAna kise kaheMge ki jo jJAna jagat ke jJAna se bAhara hI hai|

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282 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : koI bhI cIz2a guhya ho taba... usakA rijalTa AtA hai lekina usakA kAraNa patA nahIM calatA taba guhya kahA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM nahIM! aisA nahIM hai| kAraNa vAlA sArA jJAna sAMsArika jJAna hai, bhautika jJAna hai| jinake pIche koI kAraNa hotA hai| kAraNa kA patA nahIM calatA isalie use jJAna kA patA nahIM cltaa| hA~, lekina guhyatama arthAt kyA kahanA cAhate haiM, guhyatama yAnI jo jJAna jagat ke lakSa se bAhara hI hai| isameM bhautika kA prazna hI nahIM hai| yaha sArA jJAna bhautika hI hai aura jo hai vaha papItA jaisA hai| (nara) papItA kA per3a phala nahIM detA, vaha zuSka jJAna hai aura yaha jo guhya jJAna hai, vaha zuSka nahIM hai| jIvaMta hai, sajIva hai| bAkI ke jo kAraNa aura kArya ke jJAna haiM, ve saba nirjIva haiN| yaha sajIva hai| bhItara Apako saceta karatA hai na, yoM mere sAtha baiThane ke bAda? pahalA guhya jJAna, jo maiMne pahale dina diyA thA, phira dhIre-dhIre bhItara guhyatara utpanna hone lagA aura jitanA guhyatara ho gayA, usameM ApakA cAritra bartatA hai, vaha guhyatama hai| Age kA jitanA nahIM huA hai, utanA bAkI hai| usake bAda isa cAritra kI pUrNAhuti hogii|

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[5.2] cAritra vItarAgoM kA yathArtha vyavahAra cAritra praznakartA : jIvana meM jo sadA barte, usa cIz2a ko hama cAritra kahate haiM na ! isameM AtmajJAna kI bAta yAnI AtmA kA jJAna hamezA barte to use ' cAritra meM AyA' kahA jAegA ? dAdAzrI : cAritra do prakAra ke / eka, yaha vyavahAra cAritra / bahuta ucca koTi ke vyakti kA vyavahAra cAritra ucca prakAra kA hotA hai / vyavahAra cAritra kyA hotA hai ? jo cAritra pUrA hI tIrthaMkaroM kI AjJAnusAra hotA hai, vaha vyavahAra cAritra kahalAtA hai / vaha pUrA cAritra deha kA hai lekina isase kahIM jJAna nahIM huA hai| aura dUsarA, AtmA kA caaritr| AtmA kA cAritra hai, dekhanA - jAnanA aura paramAnaMda / jJAta- dRSTA, paramAnaMdI, basa ! rAga-dveSa nhiiN| aura vaha vyavahAra cAritra arthAt tIrthaMkaroM kI AjJA meM rahanA, pUrNataH AjJA meM rahanA / bAhara jisa cAritra kA pAlana karate haiM, use cAritra nahIM kahA jaaegaa| use vyavahAra cAritra nahIM kaheMge / vyavahAra cAritra kaba kahA jAegA? vItarAga mArga meM ho, tabhI / ye to gaccha - mata meM par3e haiM / gacchamata yAnI anya loga jisa taraha se cAritra kA pAlana karate haiM, ve sabhI tyAgI kahalAe~ge, lekina use cAritra nahIM kahA jaaegaa| vyavahAra cAritra kaba kahA jAegA? jo vItarAga mArga meM hai, vaha kisI dharma ko parAyA nahIM mAnatA lekina phira bhI vItarAga dharma ko khuda kA dhyeya mAnatA hai / kauna sA dhyeya rakhatA hai ? vItarAga dharma / vItarAgoM ko mAnya rakhatA hai aura anya kisI ko amAnya nahIM karatA / kisI ke bhI prati dveSa nahIM

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284 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ho, taba vaha vyavahAra cAritra kahA jaaegaa| kisI dharma ke prati dveSa nahIM rhtaa| bhagavAna ne jise vyavahAra cAritra kahA hai, vaha to bahuta U~cI cIz2a hai| vyavahAra cAritra to vItarAgoM ke mata ko jAnatA hai ki vItarAgoM kA abhiprAya kyA hai! khuda kA abhiprAya kyA hai, vaha to alaga cIz2a hai lekina vItarAgoM ke abhiprAyoM ko mAnya karake sArA kAma kare, vaha vyavahAra caaritr| khuda se jitanA ho pAe utanA, lekina vItarAgoM ke abhiprAya para kAyama rahate hue usI anusAra calatA rahatA hai ki 'vItarAga ke abhiprAya isa anusAra haiN'| phira khuda se jitanA ho pAe utanA, lekina vaha vyavahAra cAritra kahalAtA hai| aura jinakA AtmA prakaTa ho gayA hai na, unameM sArI zaktiyA~ utpanna ho gii| sAre jJAnI, pA~ca lAkha jJAnI hoM phira bhI unakA eka hI mata rahatA hai aura tIna ajJAnI hoM to unameM sau taraha ke bheda par3a jAte haiN| ye sAre matabheda ajJAniyoM meM hote haiM aura jJAniyoM meM matabheda nahIM hote| hamAre yahA~ para Apako sabhI meM kisI prakAra kA matabheda jaisA lagatA hai ? jJAna bhale hI kama-z2yAdA hogA, jJAna to eka hI prakAra kA diyA hai na, lekina pAtra ke anusAra pariNAmita hotA hai| kama-jyAdA hai, phira bhI kyA hisAba meM kisI prakAra se koI matabheda hai? koI khIMcA-tAnI, aisA-vaisA kucha hai? to ise cAritra kahate haiM, vyavahAra caaritr| nizcaya cAritra meM to mehanata hI nahIM hotii| kisI bhI prakAra kI mehanata hI nahIM hotii| sArI mehanata vyavahAra cAritra meM hai| zarIra sayAnA ho jAe, vaha vyavahAra cAritra aura AtmA sayAnA ho jAe, vaha kahalAtA hai nizcaya caaritr| AtmA sayAnA ho jAe isakA matalaba jJAtA-dRSTA, paramAnaMda meM hI rahatA hai| anya kisI jhaMjhaTa meM nahIM pdd'taa| jo 'nizcaya cAritra' meM A gae, ve to bhagavAna bana gae! 'kevalajJAna' ke binA 'nizcaya cAritra' pUrNa dazA taka nahIM pahu~ca sktaa| bheda, vyavahAra aura nizcaya cAritra kA praznakartA : 'binA cAritra ke mokSa nahIM hai aura binA mokSa ke nirvANa nahIM hai|'

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[5.2] cAritra 285 dAdAzrI : cAritra arthAt, ApakI samajha meM kyA AyA hai, vaha Apa apanI bhASA meM btaaie| jo bhI Apako samajha meM AyA ho| praznakartA : cAritra arthAt acchI taraha se vartana karanA, jise hama sTreTa phaoNravarDa kahate haiN| jo Ter3hA-mer3hA yA krukeDa nahIM ho, vaha cAritravAna kahalAtA hai| ImAnadAra hotA hai, oNnesTa hotA hai, maoNrala hotA hai| dAdAzrI : aise sIdhe loga to bahuta mileNge| use cAritra kaise kaheMge? yaha to usa cAritra ke bAre meM kahA gayA hai jo mokSa kA kAraNa hai| vaha cAritra to, koI iMsAna sIdhA ho aura koI usakI vAha-vAha kare, koI use paise udhAra de, basa! usakA aura koI kAraNa nahIM hai| phira bhI kaI loga (usake lie) ulTA bolate haiN| cAritra ke do prakAra haiN| eka nizcaya cAritra aura dUsarA vyavahAra caaritr| vyavahAra cAritra yAnI kisI bhI viSaya para vRtti nahIM ho| pA~coM hI viSayoM ke prati vRtti nhiiN| pA~coM viSayoM meM vRttiyA~ na raheM, vaha vyavahAra caaritr| aba aisA kahA~ milegA? tyAgiyoM meM aisA khAsa taura para dekhane milatA hai| kahIM-kahIM para mila AtA hai| kyoMki vivAhitoM se z2yAdA tyAgiyoM meM dekhane ko milatA hai| koI to mila hI jAtA hai| abhI to tyAgiyoM meM bhI aise (loga) nahIM milate kyoMki ye sabhI to caTore haiN| A~kheM dekhatI hI rahatI hai| ataH aisA honA cAhie ki vRttiyA~ pA~coM indriyoM meM na jaaeN| use vyavahAra cAritra kahA gayA hai| praznakartA : vaha jo kahate haiM na ki manuSya meM cAritrabala honA caahie| vaha kauna sA cAritrabala? dAdAzrI : eka to vyavahAra meM bAhara kA, aura dUsarA, AMtarika hotA hai| bAhara vyavahAra meM ImAnadArI aura naitiktaa| nyAyI aura ImAnadAra hotA hai aura AMtarika rUpa se haqa ke viSaya meM patnI ke prati sinsiyara rahatA hai, anya kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| use cAritra kahate haiN| praznakartA : aisA samajhate haiM ki cAritra kA matalaba brahmacarya hai| dAdAzrI : vaha vyavahAra cAritra hai| usa vyavahAra se kisI ko

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286 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) z2arA sA bhI duHkha nahIM ho, aisA vartana hotA hai| duHkha dene vAle ko bhI du:kha nahIM ho, aisA vartana vyavahAra cAritra kahalAtA hai| aura viSaya baMda ho jAnA caahie| vyavahAra cAritra meM mukhya do cIjeM kauna sI haiM ? eka viSaya bNd| kauna sA viSaya? to kahate haiM, strI cAritra vissy| aura dUsarA kyA? lakSmI se sNbNdhit| jahA~ lakSmI ho vahA~ para cAritra ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : 'jahA~ lakSmI ho, vahA~ cAritra nahIM ho sakatA', vaha kaise? dAdAzrI : vahA~ cAritra kahalAegA hI nahIM na! lakSmI AI yAnI lakSmI se to pUrA vyavahAra karanA hotA hai| hama lakSmI nahIM lete| praznakartA : lekina usase durvyavahAra bhI hotA hai aura sadvyavahAra bhI hotA hai na! dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to sad karane se hI durvyavahAra zurU ho jAtA hai| sad bhI nahIM aura asad bhI nahIM, aisA vyavahAra hI nhiiN| maiMne paccIsa sAloM se kisI bhI prakAra kA paisoM kA vyavahAra kiyA hI nahIM hai na ! jhaMjhaTa hI nahIM na! merI jeba meM kabhI cAra Ane bhI nahIM hote| nIrU bahana hI sArI vyavasthA karatI haiN| aura saccA cAritra to kise kaheMge ki khAte-pIte hue bhI jJAtAdRSTA rhe| vahI saccA cAritra hai| AtmA nija svabhAva meM, jJAtA-dRSTA meM A jAe, vaha saccA caaritr| usa cAritra ke binA mokSa nahIM hai| 'AtmA' jJAtA-dRSTA hai| 'Apa' jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM raho, vahI cAritra hai aura vahI mokSa kA kAraNa hai| mokSa arthAt sarva du:khoM se mukti kA kAraNa aura aisA mokSa hue bagaira nirvANa nahIM ho sktaa| nirvANa arthAt AtyaMtika mukti / cAritra kI yathArtha paribhASA praznakartA : nizcaya cAritra ke bAre meM eka vAkya meM batAie na?

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[5.2] cAritra 287 dAdAzrI : homa DipArTamenTa meM rahanA, usI ko kahate haiM nizcaya caaritr| phaoNrena meM nahIM AnA usI ko kahate haiM caaritr| praznakartA : AtmA meM jo sthiratA hai, vahI cAritra hai ? dAdAzrI : sthiratA to AtmA kA guNa hai lekina cAritra kyA hai? yaha jo saba cala rahA hai, use dekhanA aura jAnanA, use kahate haiM caaritr| yAnI dekhanA aura jAnanA hI, aura paramAnaMda meM rahanA, usI ko cAritra kahate haiN| vaha aMtima cAritra kahalAtA hai| dekhanA aura jAnanA, jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMdI - ye tInoM usameM khuda meM hI haiN| AtmA meM sthiratA ko cAritra kahA gayA hai lekina vaha kramika mArga kA cAritra hai| apanA cAritra to jJAtA-dRSTA meM rahanA, vahI cAritra hai| sthiratA to A hI cukI hai na! lakSa baiTha cukA hai to sthiratA to A hI cukI hai na! jitanA jJAtA-dRSTA rahA utanA hI cAritra kahA jaaegaa| koI gAliyA~ deM aura use dekhatA va jAnatA rhe| mana meM kharAba vicAra Ae~ aura unheM dekhatA aura jAnatA rhe| asara na ho, ekAkAra nahIM ho, dekhatA aura jAnatA rahe, vahI cAritra hai| jabaki kramika mArga meM AtmA meM sthira honA, vahI cAritra hai| vaha cAritra, aMza cAritra kahalAtA hai| dhIre-dhIre jaba sarvAMza ho jAtA hai usake bAda jJAtA-dRSTA banatA hai| taba taka unakA jJAtA-dRSTA (pada) nahIM aataa| sthiratA rahatI hai| vAstavika cAritra arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA bhaav| jJAtA jaba jJAtA bhAva meM AtA hai to vaha AtmacAritra kahalAtA hai| kramika meM vyavahAra cAritra se nizcaya cAritra meM praznakartA : nizcaya cAritra ke lie vyavahAra cAritra kA honA bahuta mahatvapUrNa hai na? abhI vaha koI sTepa hai kyA? vaha hogA tabhI... dAdAzrI : yaha jo jJAna milA hai na, vaha akrama vijJAna hai, ataH vyavahAra cAritra kI hameM yahA~ para z2arUrata nahIM hai| varnA kramika jJAna meM vyavahAra cAritra ho tabhI nizcaya cAritra prApta ho sakatA hai| vyavahAra cAritra karate-karate to yaha kitane hI janmoM taka bhaTaka jAtA hai !

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : lekina hameM usakI z2arUrata nahIM hai na! hamAre lie aisA nahIM hai na ki vyavahAra cAritra kI prApti ke bAda hI mokSa meM jA sakeM ? 288 dAdAzrI : nahIM yaha akrama vijJAna hai isalie z2arUrata nahIM hai| varnA hAlata kharAba ho jaaegii| ina do viSayoM kI vRttiyA~ baMda karanA, vaha kyA koI AsAna bAta hai / ye loga kramika meM mAra khA-khAkara mara gae phira bhI koI ThikAnA nahIM par3atA hai na! aura yaha to vijJAna hai, akrama vijJAna hai| khoja hai eka prakAra kI / jJAna vahI kA vahI hai lekina khoja hAi levala kI hai! apane yahA~ para brahmacarya cAritra kA pAlana karane vAle kitane hoMge? sau-do sau loga hoMge ! unameM se bhI do - pA~ca loga hamAre pAsa se brahmacaryavrata le gae haiM, vaha bhI sAla do sAla ke lie / aba yaha kramika mArga kyA kahatA hai ki jahA~ para cAritra nahIM hai, vahA~ para kucha hai hI nahIM jabaki apanA yaha vijJAna to kahatA hai ki usase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| yadi tujhe AtA (vijJAna patA) hai to isakA kucha bhI asara nahIM hogaa| donoM apane-apane svabhAva meM baratate haiN| praznakartA : caMdUbhAI alaga aura maiM alaga ? dAdAzrI : hA~, ve alaga-alaga hI baratate haiN| aisA hI hai lekina akrama ko kramika mArga meM nahIM DAla sakate kyoMki kramika mArga hamezA ke lie hai jabaki yaha mArga kucha samaya ke lie hI hai| mithyA jJAna - mithyA darzana - mithyA cAritra praznakartA : jJAna, darzana aura cAritra kA yathArtha rUpa se pariNAmita honA, isase Apa kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ? dAdAzrI : ina logoM meM ajJAna pariNAmita huA hai isIlie kahate haiM na ki 'tU kyA samajhatA hai ? abhI tujhe dhaula lgaauuNgaa'| vaha kahalAegA ajJAna kA prinnmn| to jaba caMdUbhAI dhaula lagA rahe hoM to khuda ko

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[5.2] cAritra 289 acchA nahIM lagatA, yaha jJAna pariNAmita huaa| jaba caMdUbhAI ulTA kareM, taba Apako acchA lagatA hai ? kyoMki yaha jJAna pariNAmita huA jabaki dhaula lagAne meM ajJAna pariNAmita hotA hai| vaha jJAna, darzana, cAritra aura tapa, ye sabhI pariNAmita hote haiN| ajJAna meM jJAna, darzana, cAritra aura tapa pariNAmita hote haiN| dhaula lagAI, vaha cAritra kahalAtA hai| mArane kA bhAva huA, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai, mArane kI jo zraddhA hai, vaha darzana kahalAtI hai aura mAranA, vaha cAritra kahalAtA hai| jJAna, darzana aura cAritra vaha vAlA (ajnyaan)| usI prakAra yaha (jJAna) bhI jJAna darzana aura cAritra hai| loga kaheMge, Apa unake kyA lagate ho? to bhAI hama unake sasura haiM lekina isameM to aisA hai ki koI dhamakAe to Dara jAtA hai| kyoM? 'sasura hU~', aisA usake vartana meM rahatA hai, isalie Dara jAtA hai| darzana meM, jJAna meM aura vartana meM vahI saba hai| tInoM eka hI ho gae haiN| mithyA jJAna, mithyAdarzana va mithyA cAritra, inake cale jAne (khatma hone) para samyak darzana utpanna hotA hai| isIlie bhagavAna ne kahA hai na ki samyak darzana mukhya kAraNa hai| usake bAda mokSa hogA kyA? to cAritra kA kyA? taba kahate haiM, 'usakA samyak darzana hI cAritra laaegaa| tU apanI tarapha se samyak darzana kara le'| samyak darzana hI cAritra ko bulAkara laaegaa| jaise ki mithyAdarzana, cAritra ko bulA lAtA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| mithyA cAritra ko bulA lAtA hai| dAdAzrI : koI na ho, taba choTA baccA bhI penTa kI jeba meM se paise nikAla letA hai kyoMki use mithyAdarzana ho gayA hai| yAnI vaha pratIti hI usase nikalavA letI hai| aura kisa prakAra se nikAlanA, yaha saba bhI vaha jAnatA hai| praznakartA : ataH mukhyataH mahatva pratIti kA hai ? dAdAzrI : pratIti kI hI kImata hai saarii|

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290 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : isalie kahA jAtA hai na ki samyak darzana kI kImata hI z2yAdA hai, jJAna kI to nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : jJAna kI aura cAritra kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| samyak darzana kahatA hai ki maiM tujhe TheTha taka pahu~cA detA huuN| haM! pahale darzana meM AtA hai| darzana arthAt pratIti meM AtA hai ki yaha karekTa hai aura niyama hamezA aisA hai ki jahA~ para pratIti hotI hai vahIM para jJAna aura cAritra ko jAnA par3atA hai| ataH apane yahA~ Apako kyA karanA hai? jJAnIpuruSa sirpha pratIti hI karavA dete haiM to bahuta ho gayA! usake bAda ApakA jJAna va cAritra usI tarapha jAne kA prayatna kregaa| Apako unheM mor3anA nahIM pdd'egaa| bilIpha jahA~ para gaI, vahA~ usake pIche sabakucha A jAtA hai| yaha bilIpha to bAhara baiThI huI hai, roMga bilIpha baiThI huI hai| yaha saba sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| nizcaya cAritra jagat ne dekhA hI nahIM hai cAritra to mukhya cIz2a hai lekina cAritra kA milanA bahuta muzkila hai na! isa varlDa meM kyA koI aisA iMsAna hogA, jisameM thor3A sA bhI cAritra ho? kyA koI aisA iMsAna hogA jisameM eka pratizata bhI cAritra ho? zAstrakAroM ne jise cAritra kahA hai na, vaha cAritra hai hI nhiiN| yaha cAritra to, z2arA sI bhrAMti dUra huI usa kAraNa se hai| vAstavika cAritra to dekhA hI nahIM hai, sunA hI nahIM hai| isa jJAna prApti ke bAda Apa vAstavika cAritra ke eka aMza meM baiTha cuke ho na aura usI kA yaha svAda A rahA hai aapko| vAstavika cAritra kA aMza ckhaa| aMza kA bhI aNsh| aba dhIre-dhIre aura bhI bar3hatA jaaegaa| cAritra jagata ne dekhA nahIM hai, sunA nahIM hai| kyA yaha kisI zAstra meM likhA gayA hai? lekina zabdoM meM hai| lekina zabda sthUla haiM aura vANI bhI sthUla hai| unameM cAritra nahIM hotaa| cAritra cIz2a hI alaga hai na! eka sekanDa bhI jinheM cAritra barte ve bhagavAna kahalAte haiN| loga to kise cAritra kahate haiM? brahmacarya aura Adi-Adi ko cAritra kahate haiN| vaha to unakI apanI bhASA kA

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[5.2] cAritra 291 cAritra hai| hara kisI kA apanI-apanI bhASA kA, bhrAMta bhASA kA cAritra / bhrAMti vAle bhI ise cAritra kahate haiN| to phira jJAnI kI bhASA kA cAritra kyA hai ? bhrAMti vAle kA cAritra koI cAritra-vAritra nahIM hai, phira bhI isa rUma meM, yahA~ ke lie yaha bAta kara rahA hU~, bAhara nahIM kara skte| bAhara to unake cAritra ko cAritra kahanA pdd'egaa| unheM usI kA mukhya AdhAra hai| bAhara to Age kI bAta hai hI nahIM n| bhrAMti kI hI bAta hai na! arthAt 'ahiMsA kA pAlana karo, satya bolo, corI mata karo, abrahmacarya mata karo, parigraha mata rakho', vaha saba caaritr| bAhara to mujhe aisA hI kahanA pdd'egaa| Apako yahA~ kI bhASA kA jAnanA hai yA bAhara kI bhASA kA? praznakartA : bAhara kI duniyA meM hI jI rahe haiM isalie bAhara kA bhI jAnanA par3egA aura aMdara kA bhI jAnanA pdd'egaa| donoM hii| dAdAzrI : hA~, to bAhara kA aisA hai aura aMdara kA aisA hai| bAhara jo cAritra hai. vaha bhrAMti kA cAritra hai| bhrAMti meM se bAhara nikalane ke prayatna haiN| 'bahuta dinoM taka prayatna kie lekina mila nahIM rahA thA na! aura kahate haiM ki dAdA Apake pAsa se eka ghaMTe meM sabakucha mila gyaa| cAritra bhI mila gyaa|' vItarAgoM kA cAritra hai arUpI jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai, usa cAritra ko bhagavAna cAritra kahate hI nahIM haiN| jJAna-darzana-cAritra, aisI cIjeM haiM jo A~khoM se nahIM dikhAI detiiN| indriya pratyakSa nahIM hai vaha ciij'| yAnI vaha cAritra to aura hI taraha kA hotA hai| jJAna-darzana-cAritra, ve rUpI nahIM haiM, arUpI haiN| loga rUpI ko DhU~Dha rahe haiN| jo pratyakSa dikhAI de, aisA DhU~Dha rahe haiN| vaha rUpI nahIM hai| rUpI aura arUpI meM bahuta aMtara hai| bhagavAna, vItarAgoM kA batAyA huA rUpI nahIM hai, arUpI hai aura logoM kA batAyA huA rUpI hai| lekina jinheM mokSa meM jAnA hai unheM vItarAgoM kA kahA huA mAnya rakhanA pdd'egaa| mokSa ke lie vItAragoM ke sivA anya kisI kI bhI bAta mAnya nahIM ho

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292 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) sktii| arthAt jJAna-darzana-cAritra tInoM hI arUpI hone caahie| usa dRSTi se to, hama ye jo kapar3e pahanate haiM na, to hamAre cAritra ko bhI ve loga cAritra nahIM kaheMge lekina usase hameM Apatti nahIM hai| duHcAritra kaheMge to bhI hameM Apatti nahIM hai| hameM to, hamArA arUpI jJAna-darzanacAritra hamAre pAsa hai| yaha sArA rUpI phaoNrena kI bAta hai| aura ina phaoNrena (vyavahAra) kI bAtoM meM hama bahuta hAtha nahIM DAlate, suparaphluasa rahate haiN| ye sArA phaoNrena ke bAre meM hai, rUpI pUrA hI phaoNrena hai| kImata hai nizcaya cAritra kI praznakartA : cAritra kise kaheMge? nizcaya ko cAritra kaheMge? cAritra kyA hai ? smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : cAritra to, vyavahAra cAritra to ye sabhI jo haiM, vh| lekina vAstava meM ise bhI cAritra nahIM kahA jaaegaa| vyavahAra cAritra zAstra ke adhIna honA caahie| zAstroM ke kahe anusAra honA caahie| ise cAritra kaha hI nahIM sakate na! vrata-niyama vagairaha vyavahAra cAritra meM samA jAtA hai lekina tyAga nhiiN| tyAga cAritra meM nahIM aataa| use deha kA cAritra kahA jaaegaa| jabaki AtmA kA cAritra to basa, jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai| caMdUbhAI kA apamAna huA taba Apa jJAtA-dRSTA meM raho aura caMdUbhAI se kaho ki 'hama hai Apake saath'| praznakartA : abhI Apane kahA ki jJAna se cAritra badala sakatA hai, darzana se cAritra nahIM badala sktaa| dAdAzrI : darzana se jJAna meM AtA hai| darzana arthAt kyA ki koI bhI vastu sahI hai, usakI pratIti ho jAe to usI ko darzana kahate haiN| yadi pratIti nahIM huI hai to use darzana nahIM kheNge| yaha bAta sahI hai to vaha to ye ajJAnI loga bhI kaheMge ki bhAI yaha bAta sahI hai lekina use pratIti nahIM huI hai| praznakartA : jJAna se cAritra badalatA hai, to vaha kauna sA cAritra badalatA hai?

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[5.2] cAritra 293 dAdAzrI : yaha jo mUlataH AtmA kA cAritra hai, vaha mUla cAritra utpanna hotA hai, yathArtha cAritra / taba taka ulajhanoM meM hI par3A rahatA hai| na isameM hotA hai na usameM hotA hai aura ulajhanoM meM hI par3A rahatA hai| ajJAnI logoM ke ghara meM maTakI phUTa jAe to unakA jJAna bhI nahIM bdltaa| jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM usa samaya lekina vaha ahaMkArI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| vahA~ kaSAya nahIM karatA hai| kyoM nahIM karatA? kyoMki use lagatA hai ki 'isakI kyA kImata hai!' yaha jo maTakI phUTa gaI, usakI ! usakI kImata nahIM hai isalie use rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| ataH usakA cAritra nahIM bdltaa| vaha isalie ki vaha mUla rUpa se to use pratIti baiTha gaI thI ki yaha kama kImata kI hai aura eka do bAra pahale phUTa cukI ho to phira anubhava ho jAtA hai| isalie jaba phira se phUTa jAe to usameM aMdara kucha parivartana nahIM hotaa| phira bhI usa kSaNa usakA cAritra ucca prakAra kA kahA jaaegaa| yadi bAhara bhI kaSAya nahIM hoM to use cAritra kheNge| jabaki isameM to kaSAya kI bAta hI kahA~ rahI? isameM to jJAtAdRSTA rahA, vahI cAritra hai| usakA khuda kA beTA usa tarapha eka mana dUdha girAtA rahatA hai aura khuda jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai, vaha cAritra hai| imozanala nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : to jJAtA-dRSTA kA mukhya pariNAma yaha hai ki imozanala nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : jo buddhi rahita hai, vahI jJAtA-dRSTA raha sakatA hai| buddhi imozanala kie bagaira nahIM rhtii| buddhi khatma ho jAne ke bAda hI vaha pada utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki hamAre sAtha dina meM sau bAra aisI ghaTanAe~ hotI hoM to unameM udAharaNa ke taura para pacAsa sATha ghaTanAoM meM to buddhi khar3I nahIM hotI aura kucha meM buddhi khar3I ho jAtI hai, to mahAtmAoM meM vaha kisa AdhAra para khar3I hotI hai aura kauna se AdhAra para nahIM hotI?

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294 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha to aisA hai ki agara koI kama kImata kI cIz2a ho na, kama kImata kI maTakI ho, to buddhi kyoM khar3I hogI? usane kImata mAnI hai... praznakartA : vahA~ para buddhi khar3I hotI hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI apane jJAna se jaba ina sabhI cIz2oM kI kImata khatma ho jAtI hai, ina sAMsArika cIz2oM kI kImata khatma ho jAtI hai, taba use inakA koI artha nahIM lgtaa| samajha meM Ae aisI bAta hai na yaha? praznakartA : hA~ jI! haaN| isakA artha yaha huA ki jahA~-jahA~ khuda ne sAMsArika bhAva se vailyU mAnI, kImata mAnI hai, vahA~ para buddhi khar3I hogI hii| dAdAzrI : kImata mAnI hai isalie buddhi khar3I hotI hai ki 'yaha nukasAna ho rahA hai, nukasAna ho rahA hai'| are bhAI, buddhi kA svabhAva hai, naphA-nukasAna dikhaanaa| usakA svabhAva kyA hai ? yahA~ nukasAna ho rahA hai aura yahA~ phAyadA ho rahA hai| naphA-nukasAna dikhAtI hai| jo praoNphiTa enDa laoNsa dikhAe, vaha buddhi kahalAtI hai| praznakartA : hama mahAtmAoM ko AtmA kI pratIti baiTha gaI hai to ajJAniyoM meM aura hama meM isa pratIti baiThane kI vajaha se anubhava meM kyA pharka par3atA hai ? ajJAnI ko bhI patA to hai ki AtmA hai| dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka par3atA hai, pUrA hI cenja ho jAtA hai| ajJAnI iMsAna bhagavAna kI taraha bAteM to bahuta bar3I-bar3I karatA hai, AtmA hai usameM, sabhI meM hai lekina jaba koI grAhaka banakara dukAna para AtA hai na, to usase kucha z2yAdA le hI letA hai| use lagatA hai ki kisa taraha se isake sAtha chala karU~ aura niraMtara ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna donoM hote hI rahate haiN| jabaki apane yahA~ vaha saba baMda ho jAtA hai| vahA~ para hamezA hI ciMtA rahatI hai, pUre dina jalatA hI rahatA hai| vahA~ para ajaMpA (becainI,

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[5.2] cAritra 295 azAMti, ghabarAhaTa), ciMtA, bhaya va kalaha mana meM hote hI rahate haiM, jabaki yahA~ para vaha saba baMda ho jAtA hai| bahuta-bahuta pharka par3a jAtA hai| mahAtmAoM meM raudradhyAna aura ArtadhyAna baMda ho gae haiM, use bhagavAna ne mokSa kahA hai, yahA~ saMsAra meM rahate hue bhii| abhI agara Apa pUcho ki 'sAhaba mere yahA~ dasa pyAle gira gae phira bhI mere ghara meM sabhI logoM ne ekadama samatA rakhI thI', to ve bhagavAna kahalAe~ge! varnA kar3hApA-ajaMpA (azAMti, kur3hana, kleza, Akroza) hue bagaira rahatA hI nahIM, phira cAhe vaha kucha bhI ho! unheM kar3hApA-ajaMpA hotA hI hai| aba usameM agara koI buddhizAlI ho aura use pahale yaha anubhava ho cukA ho ki 'isakI kImata nahIM hai, to use nahIM hogA varnA bAkI to agara sAdhu mahArAja kA itanA sA loTA TUTa jAe to bhI turaMta kar3hApA-ajaMpA ho jAtA hai| aba unheM kahA~ kharIdane jAnA hai! lekina svabhAva chor3atA nahIM hai na! apane yahA~ para ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda ho cuke haiM, bahuta z2yAdA badalAva hai, yadi nApane jAe~ to itanA adhika parivartana A gayA hai na! jJAtA-dRSTA, vaha vAstavika cAritra praznakartA : samyak darzana, samyak jJAna aura samyak cAritra ye tInoM alaga-alaga hone ke bAvajUda bhI kisI ko eka hI sAtha hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! eka sAtha nahIM hote| darzana aura jJAna sTepiMga meM hote haiN| cAritra alaga cIz2a hai| loga jise cAritra kahate haiM na, vaha alaga hai| samyak jJAna, samyak darzana aura samyak cAritra, inameM krodha-mAnamAyA-lobha vagairaha kaSAya kA nivAraNa ho jAtA hai, use samyak cAritra kahA jAtA hai aura daraasala (vAstavika) cAritra arthAt dekhanA aura jaannaa| phira bhI, agara yaha cAritra hogA tabhI aMdara daraasala cAritra aaegaa| logoM ko daraasala dikhAI nahIM detA lekina yaha samyak cAritra

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296 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) to dikhAI detA hai na? ataH aMdara jJAtA-dRSTA rahane ko daraasala cAritra kahA jAtA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA meM rahanA, vahI cAritra hai|| aura aba, agara kisI ko AtmajJAna ho gayA ho aura ve aMdara cAritra meM raha sakeM to bhagavAna ne usa para Apatti nahIM uThAI hai| itanA hI dekhanA hai ki aMdara jJAtA-dRSTA meM rahatA hai yA nhiiN| bAhara ke bhAga ko jaisA bananA ho vaisA bne| jo cAritra moha ko dekhatA hai, vaha hai samyak cAritra jJAna, darzana, cAritra aura tp| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha darzana hai| vaha darzana khuda kI zraddhA meM hai| ve donoM ekAkAra na hoM arthAt isameM ekAkAra nahIM ho to usI ko cAritra kahate haiM aura ekAkAra nahIM hone dene meM jo kaSTa hotA hai, usa samaya jo tapa karanA par3atA hai, vahI tapa kahalAtA hai| isa deha meM krodha, harSa va zoka sabhI kucha bharA huA hai lekina agara AtmA unameM tanmayAkAra na ho aura pudgala ke hara eka saMyoga ko para pariNAma jAne to use samyak cAritra kahA jAegA! darzana zuddhi ke bAda bAhara ke saMyoga Ane para agara unameM tanmayAkAra ho jAe to vaha cAritra moha hai| jo jJAna cAritra mohanIya ko dekhatA hai, vaha samyak cAritra hai aura Apako samyak cAritra meM rakha diyA hai| bolo! aba Apako kyA hogA phira? samyak darzana to nahIM hai lekina samyak cAritra taka rakha diyA hai aapko| jo jJAna, cAritra mohanIya ko dekhatA hai arthAt jaba caMdUbhAI cir3ha jAe~, jaba caMdUbhAI kisI se bahasa kareM aura use Apa dekhate ho ki caMdUbhAI bahasa kara rahe haiN| caMdUbhAI jo kucha bhI karate haiM, vaha cAritra mohanIya kahalAtA hai aura Apa use dekhate ho to vaha samyak cAritra hai| aisI sthiti meM rakha diyA hai| lekina agara samajha meM Ae to vaha kaha sakegA na! loga cAritra mohanIya ko nahIM dekha sakate / logoM meM cAritra mohanIya hai hI nhiiN| isa duniyA ke sAdhu-saMnyAsiyoM meM bhI cAritra mohanIya nahIM

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[5.2] cAritra 297 hai| cAritra mohanIya sirpha apane mahAtmAoM meM hI hai| bAkI kisI bhI jagaha para cAritra mohanIya nahIM hai| vahA~ para to mithyAtva mohanIya hotA hai| jinameM cAritra mohanIya utpanna ho jAtA hai na, unake lie to aisA kahA jAegA ki mokSa meM jAne kI taiyArI ho gii| cAritra mohanIya haTane se prakaTa hotA hai pUrNatva praznakartA : paramArtha samakita kA matalaba kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : paramArtha samakita! Apako hamezA yaha lakSa (jAgRti) meM rahatA hai na ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~'? vaha paramArtha samakita hai| praznakartA : to kyA vaha cAritra kI bhUmikA meM AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha cAritra kI bhUmikA meM AtA hai lekina vaha pUrNa cAritra nahIM hai| jaba taka cAritra mohanIya nahIM calA jAtA taba taka pUrNa cAritra nahIM kahA jA sktaa| praznakartA : mohanIya ke sAtha bhI cAritra kI bhUmikA to hai na? usa tarapha kA usakA lakSa to hai nA? dAdAzrI : hA~! jaba lakSa AtA hai na, taba cAritra kI bhUmikA kahalAtI hai aura yaha jo hai, vaha pratIti kI bhUmikA kahalAtI hai lekina agara itanA ho jAe na, to bhI bahuta kahA jaaegaa| kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki 'jema AvI pratIti jIvanI re' (jaise hI AI pratIti jIva kI re) phira jaise hI 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' isa zabda se use samajha meM AtA hai ki yaha saba 'maiM nahIM hU~', vaise hI phira kyA hotA hai ? 'jANe sarva thI bhinna asaMga' (saba se bhinna aura asaMga hai, aisA jAnatA hai|) vaha khuda asaMga hI hai| praznakartA : asaMga ho jAe, bhinna ho jAe to kyA vaha pUrNa cAritra

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM / use asaMga aura bhinna donoM kI pratIti hotI hai / phira dhIre-dhIre cAritra kI bhUmikA taiyAra hotI hai lekina vaha kaba taiyAra hogI? jaise-jaise cAritra mohanIya kama hotA jAegA na, vaise-vaise hotI jaaegii| jaise-jaise cAritra mohanIya ghaTatA jAegA to dUsarI tarapha zuddha cAritra bar3hatA jaaegaa| samyak darzana kI z2arUrata hai nIMva meM hI aba darzana, jJAna aura cAritra / inameM se, darzana to apanA badala gayA hai| jJAna bhI usI prakAra kA zurU ho gayA hai| jo cAritra meM gutha gayA hai na, vaha guthA huA, khula jAnA caahie| praznakartA : purAnA ? dAdAzrI : hA~ vahI n| yaha jo pichale janma meM mithyAtva darzana thA na, usase mithyAtva jJAna meM pariNAmita ho gayA aura kyoMki pariNAmita ho gayA hai isalie phira mithyAtva cAritra utpanna ho gyaa| 298 mukhya kAraNa kyA hai ? to vaha yaha hai ki, yadi darzana aisA mithyAtva nahIM hotA, samyak darzana hotA to samyak jJAna meM pariNAmita hotA aura samyak cAritra kI prApti ho jAtI lekina yaha darzana mithyAtva thaa| aba vaha mithyAtva darzana khatma ho gayA hai| aba samyak darzana utpanna huA hai ki 'maiM to zuddhAtmA huuN'| caMdUbhAI to isa vyavahAra ke lie hai, vaha pichalI gunahagArI hai lekina vaha pahale kA jo yaha saba cAritra meM gutha gayA hai, ve sAre hisAba cukAne pdd'eNge| phira mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'are yaha jAtA kyoM nahIM hai?' lekina yaha jAegA kisa taraha se ? bahuta maz2abUta guthA huA hai| mana, vacana, kAyA kI AdateM aura unake svabhAva, ve svabhAva maz2abUta haiM na ! kitanI sArI phAiloM ke kama hone ke baad| isameM se to ulIcanA hI par3egA saMsAra sAgara / praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki ye darzana meM bhI nahIM Ae haiM /

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[5.2] cAritra 299 darzana meM A gayA hotA to jJAna meM A jAtA aura cAritra meM A jaataa| Apa darzana kise kahanA cAhate haiM ? dAdAzrI : yaha hama jo batAte haiM na, use samajhate rho| vaha samajha, darzana kahalAtI hai aura hama jo samajhAte rahate haiM, vaha jaba darzana meM A jAtA hai, to usase Apako pratIti baiThatI hai| aura pratIti baiThatI hai to Age calatA (bar3hatA) hai| samajha zabda kA artha hI hai, drshn| darzana kA artha hai smjh| isIlie hama kahate haiM na, ki 'samajhate rho'| yaha bAta samajha lI Apane? aba Apako samajha meM AtA hai na ki mujhase bhUla ho gaI hai aura bhUla ho gaI hai isIlie bhUla ko khatma karate ho! praznakartA : saMyama aura cAritra meM koI aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : saMyama pariNAma hI cAritra hai lekina vaha kSAyika cAritra nahIM hai| jaba saMyama pariNAma baMda ho jAte haiM taba kSAyika cAritra AtA hai| saMyama pariNAma cAritra hai lekina kSAyika nahIM hai, kSayopakSama hai| praznakartA : kssyopkssm| to yoM kama-jyAdA hotA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : vAstavika cAritra ko to samyak cAritra kahA jAtA hai| saMyama pariNAma hI cAritra hai lekina jaba vaha kSAyika cAritra ho jAegA taba bhagavAna jaisA cAritra utpanna hogaa| praznakartA : sa-rAga caaritr| dAdAzrI : sa-rAga cAritra to bahuta ucca cIz2a hai| sa-rAga cAritra to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai| jJAnI sa-rAga cAritra meM rahate haiN| jJAnI sa-rAga cAritra meM aura jaba saMpUrNa jJAnI ho jAe~, usake bAda vItarAga caaritr| vaha to bahuta hI ucca dazA hai| sa-rAga cAritra to saMyamI kahalAtA hai! dekhe-jAne, lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hoM, usI ko kahate haiM vItarAga cAritra!

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300 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) parama upakArI para kiMcitmAtra rAga nahIM aura parama upasarga karane vAle para kiMcitmAtra dveSa nahIM, aise vItarAga cAritra ko jAnanA hai| vaha hai viparIta jJAna... praznakartA : AtmA kA jo jJAna, darzana aura cAritra hai, usameM alaga-alaga vibhAga nahIM haiM? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA kA to vahA~ para (tInoM) eka hI hai| AtmA kA to, vaha jJAna, darzana, cAritra, ina saba kA sammilita svarUpa hI AtmA hai| lekina ye alaga-alaga haiM isIlie sabhI rAste pAra karatekarate AtA hai na! to pahale use darzana samajha meM AtA hai usake bAda jJAna ko samajhatA hai aura phira caaritr| ataH sabhI ko alaga-alaga samajhatA hai| lekina mUla rUpa se tInoM eka hI haiN| lekina samajhane ke lie vistAra se ye saba bAteM kI gaI haiM tAki sAmane vAle ko samajha meM A jAe ki darzana kyA hai vagairaha vagairaha... kyoMki khuda jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai| khuda hI jJAtA-dRSTA hai, arthAt jJAna aura darzana khuda hI hai| aura paramAnaMda usakA cAritra hai| praznakartA : vaha usakA pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : vaha pariNAma hai lekina vahI cAritra hai| praznakartA : jJAna, darzana aura cAritra meM zuruAta darzana se hotI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to saMsAra kI apekSA se hai| bAkI vahA~ para inameM kucha alaga-alaga hai hI nhiiN| yaha to saMsAra meM par3A huA hai islie| usakA duHkha hai| vaha jo darzana ulTA hai use sIdhA kara denA pdd'egaa| darzana sIdhA kara deMge taba jo jJAna ulTA hai, vaha jJAna sIdhA ho jAegA aura phira jo cAritra ulTA hai, vaha cAritra sIdhA ho jaaegaa| saMsAra meM ye jo jJAna, darzana aura cAritra haiM, ve sabhI cAritra kahalAte z2arUra haiM lekina ve ulTe jJAna, darzana aura cAritra haiN| sIdhe jJAna, darzana aura cAritra nahIM haiM ve| ulTe arthAt viparIta aura sIdhe arthAt samyak /

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[5.2] cAritra 301 nahIM karanA hai vikAsa AtmaguNoM kA praznakartA : jo AtmA ke guNoM kA vikAsa kare vahI jJAna hai aura bAkI kA saba ajJAna kahalAegA na? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke guNoM kA vikAsa karanA hI nahIM hai| vaha khuda vikasita hI hai| AtmA to paramAtmA hI hai| hama kyA usake guNoM kA vikAsa kareMge! praznakartA : jJAna, darzana aura cAritra, ye AtmA ke guNa haiM to unakA vikAsa kareMge tabhI paramAtmA pada kI prApti hogI na! dAdAzrI : usakA vikAsa nahIM, vaha to saMpUrNa hai| anaMta jJAnamaya hai| usakA vikAsa karanA hI nahIM hai| aisA to kramika mArga meM sikhAte haiN| ye jJAna, darzana aura cAritra, ye to vyavahAra haiM, vAstavika cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| isa vyavahAra para se nizcaya meM jAnA hai| vyavahAra se agara kucha samakita ho jAe to phira use Age ke nizcaya kI liMka milegii| jaba taka samakita nahIM ho jAtA taba taka nizcaya kI liMka nahIM mila sktii| vyavahAra cAritra praznakartA : aba jJAna, darzana aura cAritra eka vyavahAra meM aura eka nizcaya meM donoM alaga-alaga haiN| nizcaya meM riyala hai aura vyavahAra meM rileTiva hai| vyavahAra meM to sAdhu, AcAryoM sabhI kA vyavahAra cAritra kahalAtA hai| ve yadi bhagavAna ke kahe anusAra caleMge to, varnA vyavahAra meM bhI cAritra nahIM kahA jaaegaa| aba, vyavahAra meM cAritra kA matalaba kyA hai ? logoM ko duHkha nahIM denA, ahiMsA dharma kA pAlana karanA, jisa dharma meM ahiMsA kA upadeza likhA huA ho, vaha vyavahArika jJAna khlaaegaa| ahiMsA kama ho to kama jJAna, adhika ho to adhika jnyaan| jitanI usameM ahiMsA ho| hara eka dharma meM ahiMsA kI kucha na kucha bAta to rahatI hai| kizciyana dharma meM bhI iMsAnoM ko mArakara khAne ke lie manA kiyA gayA hai|

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302 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : phira bhI ve loga mA~sa bahuta khAte haiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina iMsAna-iMsAna ko to nahIM khAtA isalie kucha to dharma hai vahA~ pr| ve loga jAnavaroM ko khAte haiN| praznakartA : jJAna kA matalaba samajha hai nA? dAdAzrI : jJAna arthAt hitAhita kA bhAna honA, hitAhita kA jJAna jAnanA, khuda kA hita kisameM hai aura ahita kisameM hai, itanA jAna liyA to vaha jJAna hai| pahale vaha pustakoM meM par3hatA hai ki manuSyoM kA mA~sa khAnA bhayaMkara rAkSasI vRtti kahalAtI hai| aisA hai, vaisA hai| koI apane baccoM ko khA jAe to kyA hogA? isalie taba phira use usa par3hI huI cIz2a para zraddhA baiTha jAtI hai, vaha darzana kahalAtA hai aura jo par3hA huA hai, zraddhA meM AyA huA jaba anubhava meM AtA hai taba vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai aura jaba vartana meM AtA hai taba cAritra kahalAtA hai| vaha vyavahAra jJAna, darzana aura caaritr| jJAna arthAt anubhv| darzana arthAt vaha jJAna jo anubhava rahita hai, anddisaaiddedd| par3hA ki turaMta hI hameM zraddhA baiTha jAtI hai, hameM aisA lagatA hai ki bAta sahI hai| jaba taka khuda ke AtmA kI samajha nahIM hai, taba taka ahiMsA kI samajha honI caahie| taba taka ahiMsA ko dharma kahA gayA hai, vyavahAra dharma ko| ahiMsA kA (jJAna) jitanA-jitanA nirAvRta, utanA hI vaha dharma ucca hai| dharma sabhI sahI haiM lekina eka samAna nahIM hai| jitane parimANa meM ahiMsA kA pAlana karate haiM utane hI parimANa meM usakA dharma hai| vaha sArA vyavahAra kA jJAna, darzana aura cAritra hai jabaki nizcaya kA to, AtmA jAnane ke bAda AtmA para zraddhA baiThatI hai| jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa Akara jaba vAstavika AtmA para zraddhA baiThatI hai taba vaha samyak darzana kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : usake bAda kI sIr3hI samyak jJAna hai ? dAdAzrI : jaba apane anubhava meM A jAe taba aisA kahA jAegA ki samyak jJAna ho gayA aura cAritra meM Ane ke bAda samyak caaritr|

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[5.2] cAritra 303 ataH mokSa meM jAte hue do prakAra ke jJAna, darzana, cAritra aura tapa haiN| eka vyavahAra jJAna, vyavahAra darzana, vyavahAra cAritra aura vyavahAra tp| vyavahAra arthAt vaha jo bAhara ke logoM ko eksepTa ho jAe vahI jnyaan| bAhya jJAna hai lekina mokSa meM jAne ke rAste kA jJAna hai| bAhya darzana, darzana arthAt zraddhA aura cAritra arthAt mokSa meM jAte hue azubha ko chor3atA hai aura zubha cAritra ho jAtA hai| usake bAda meM zuddha cAritra AtA hai| pahale zubha cAritra AtA hai| aba vaha zubha cAritra vAlA sAdhu kahalAtA hai| zubha cAritra kI paribhASA kyA hai ? 'jahA~ krodha Ane lage vahA~ para krodha na kare to zabha cAritra kahalAtA hai|' zubha cAritra se saMsAra mArga sudharatA hai, saMsAra zubha ho jAtA hai| jabaki mokSa to zuddha cAritra se hI hotA hai! zubha cAritra meM mAna-kIrti kI vAsanA nahIM hotI aura dUsarA, agara hama apamAna kareM to bhI samAna rahatA hai| cir3ha nahIM jAtA aura agara cir3ha jAe to vaha sAdhu hai hI nhiiN| sAMsArika loga cir3ha jAte haiM, sAdhu bhI cir3ha jAte haiM to phira Dipharensa kyA rahA? koI paribhASA to hogI na yA binA paribhASA kA hai yaha? sone kI paribhASA hai aura pItala kI paribhASA nahIM hai? varnA pItala sone ke bhAva bikatA na? aisA karo, acchA karo, phalAnA karo, pratikramaNa karo, sAmAyika karo, aisA tUphAna yahA~ para nahIM haiN| yahA~ karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai, yahA~ to jAnanA hai aura samajhanA hai| samajhane se samakita hotA hai aura jAnane se jJAna hotA hai| aura jisane jAna liyA aura samajha liyA to usase samyak cAritra hogaa| mahAtmAoM kA cAritra praznakartA : zrImad rAjacaMdra ne kahA hai na ki 'udaya thAya cAritrano, vItarAgapada vaas'| (cAritra kA udaya hone para vItarAga pada meM vAsa rahatA hai) duniyA ne cAritra dekhA hI nahIM hai, sunA hI nahIM hai| loga laukika cAritra ko cAritra kahate haiN| kapar3e badalane ko cAritra kahate haiN| zAstra maukhika ho jAe~ to, use bhI cAritra kahate haiN| kyA ye loga jauharI haiM?!

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304 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : yaha jo kahA hai 'udaya thAya cAritrano' to vaha kauna sA cAritra hai? dAdAzrI : mUla cAritra, aatmcaaritr| kramika mArga meM jo likhA gayA hai, vaha samyak cAritra hai jabaki yaha to mUla cAritra meM hai| jJAyaka svabhAva arthAt mUla caaritr| cAritra arthAt AtmacAritra kI tarapha jAte hue sabhI cAritra, yAnI ki sTepa bAi sTepa caaritr| saMsAra meM se vApasa mur3akara aura AtmA kI tarapha ke cAritra utpanna hoM, tabhI se vaha cAritra mAnA jAtA hai| praznakartA : rivarsa gti| dAdAzrI : hA~, rivarsa aura tabhI se vaha cAritra kahalAtA hai| lekina laukika cAritra kaba taka cAritra kahalAtA hai? jaba taka khuda isa deha ko aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM AtmA hU~', taba taka dehAdhyAsa gayA nahIM hai| taba taka vaha laukika cAritra hai| aura dehAdhyAsa khatma hone ke bAda alaukika cAritra utpanna hotA hai| to hamane jinheM jJAna diyA hai una sabhI meM alaukika cAritra utpanna huA hI hai lekina unheM khuda ko samajha meM nahIM AtA ki hamAre aMdara alaukika cAritra barata rahA hai| usakA kAraNa yaha hai ki eka hI ghaMTe meM niber3A ho gayA n| phira jaba hama se bAra-bAra vistArapUrvaka pUchege taba samajha meM aaegaa| vistArapUrvaka, ina DiTela meM jAnA caahie| praznakartA : apane mahAtmAoM meM to cAritra kA udaya ho gayA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, ho cukA hai| isIlie n| isIlie zrImad rAjacaMdra kA yaha vAkya pUrNa ho gayA na! lekina cAritra kA vaha udaya hamezA ke lie nahIM rhtaa| 'udaya thAya cAritrano vItarAgapada vaas|' lekina phira 'kevala nija svabhAva, akhaMDa varte jnyaan|' (hamezA nija svabhAva kA hI akhaMDa jJAna baratatA hai) 'kahIe kevalajJAna te deha chatAM nirvANa' (jise kevalajJAna kahate haiM, vaha deha sahita nirvANa hai) akrama hai na! isalie AtmA kA cAritra rahatA hai|

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[5.2] cAritra 305 FFER praznakartA : isake lakSaNa kyA haiM ? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, usakA vaha cAritra bahuta hI kama parimANa meM hotA hai| vaha ina AkhoM se dekhane-jAnane ke barAbara nahIM hai| buddhi se dekhane-jAnane ko jAnanA nahIM khte| jahA~ A~kha kA upayoga nahIM hai, mana kA upayoga nahIM hai, buddhi kA upayoga nahIM hai, aura usake bAda bhI use dekhe aura jAne, vaha cAritra hai| praznakartA : arthAt aMdara kI pariNati? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha usakA cAritra hai, AtmA kaa| taba udaya hotA hai cAritra kA praznakartA : hameM cAritra kA udaya kisa taraha se karanA cAhie? kaoNmana leMgveja meM hama adhyAtma ke cAritra ko cAritra kahate haiM na, isa bAta ko z2arA gaharAI se samajhAie n| dAdAzrI : caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM, use dekhate rhnaa| jJAtA-dRSTA, vahI cAritra kahalAtA hai| caMdabhAI kA mana kyA kara rahA hai? buddhi kyA kara rahI hai? use dekhate rahanA hI cAritra kahalAtA hai| vaha cAritra kA udaya honA kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : usakA puruSArtha karanA apane hAtha meM hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| kyoMki puruSa hone ke bAda puruSArtha apane hAtha meM hai| AtmA ho jAne ke bAda apane hAtha meM puruSArtha hai| kisI jagaha para, saMsAra meM kisI dUsarI cIz2a meM upayoga calA jAe to hameM vaha kharAba lagatA hai ki 'bhAI vApasa vahA~ calA gayA? kyoM gayA? AtmA meM raho', aisA hotA hai| praznakartA : laukika bhASA meM jise kahate haiM na ki 'kharAba cAritra ko' bhI dekhate raheM to vaha AdhyAtmika cAritra hai? dAdAzrI : bs| vahI AdhyAtmika cAritra hai ! vaha jo cAritra hai,

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306 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vahI cAritra hai| yaha cAritra nahIM, deha kA cAritra nahIM hai| AtmA kA cAritra arthAt jJAtA-dRSTA aura paramAnaMda meM rahanA, vaha AtmA kA cAritra hai| jAnanA, dekhanA aura sthira honA, vaha cAritra kahalAtA hai| jAgRti se darzana bar3hatA hai aura sthiratA se cAritra prakaTa hotA hai| jJAna, darzana to vaha hai jo maiMne diyA hai aura 'dekhanA-jAnanA' va cAritra meM sthira honaa| hamane kahA hai ki yaha saba jo pUre dina hotA rahatA hai, use dekho, jAno aura sthira rho| dekhate hI raho, kyA ho rahA hai use dekhate hI rho| nukasAna ho rahA ho to bhI dekhate raho, aura phAyadA ho rahA ho to bhI dekhate rho| beTA mara jAe to bhI dekhate raho, beTe kA janma ho to bhI dekhate rho| usameM koI harja nahIM hai| sirpha dekhate rahanA hai| rAga, dveSa nhiiN| kriyA vahI kI vahI rhegii| bhagavAna ne kyA kahA hai, bAhara kI kriyA, deha kI kriyA vaisI hI rahatI hai, ajJAnI jaisI hI rahatI hai lekina yadi rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM to aisA kahA jAegA ki usane vItarAga dharma prApta kara liyaa| vaha cAritra khlaaegaa| rAga-dveSa rahita honA, usI ko cAritra kahate haiN| hameM kisI bhI jagaha para rAga-dveSa utpanna nahIM hote| cAhe vyApAra meM kaisA bhI nukasAna ho jAe, ApakI vajaha se ho jAe, taba bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : vaha to apane karma kA udaya hai na? dAdAzrI : 'vyavasthita' hI hai na! use hameM 'vyavasthita' hI kahanA hai| cAritra ke lakSaNa praznakartA : cAritra kaba kaheMge? dAdAzrI : jaba bilkula bhI asara na ho taba vaha cAritra kahA jaaegaa| darzana arthAt pratIti / jJAna kI pratIti baiTha cukI hai, vaha bAta sau pratizata hai| jJAna to jaise-jaise anubhava meM AtA hai na, vaise-vaise lagatA hai ki yaha to nirdoSa hai aura hamane ise doSita mAna liyA, vaha hamArI bhUla hai| ata: yoM jo kucha jJAna meM A gayA vaha thiarama meM A gyaa|

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[5.2] cAritra 307 ataH pratIti ko bhagavAna mahAvIra ne thyorI kahA hai| kahate haiM ki thyorI jAna lI aura thiarama meM nahIM aayaa| darzana arthAt thyorI oNpha ebsalyUTiz2ama aura jJAna arthAt thiarm| thiarama meM thor3A bahuta A gayA hai lekina abhI thiarama ke jitane mArksa milane cAhie utane hI Apako mileMge lekina bonasa nahIM milegA aapko| aura jina para bilkula bhI asara nahIM hotA use bonasa mArksa dete haiN| aba cAritra bar3hA hai| cAritra ko pahacAneMge kaise? patA kaise calegA ki aMdara cAritra barata rahA hai? usake bAhya lakSaNa kyA haiM? to vaha hai viitraagtaa| mahAtmA bhI kahate haiM na ki hama meM vItarAgatA hai lekina aMdara pasaMda aura nApasaMdagI rahatI hai| ve rAga-dveSa ke mausI ke beTe haiN| praznakartA : sahI hai dAdA, lekina yadi rAga-dveSa cale gae haiM to mausI ke beToM ko bahuta dhamakAnA nahIM hai| yAnI mana meM rAga-dveSa jaisA kucha rahatA hai... dAdAzrI : lekina mausI ke beTe car3ha baiThe the ! kahate haiM, 'hamAre bhAI kI gaddI para haiN'| ve saba kahate bhI haiM, 'sagI mausI ke beTe lagate haiN'| praznakartA : arthAt pasaMda aura nApasaMda cale jAe~ge, pasaMda aura nApasaMda ko jAnegA aura jAe~ge... dAdAzrI : jAe~ge kaheMge to usa para dveSa ho jaaegaa| jAe~ yA Ae~, hameM vaha dekhane kI z2arUrata nahIM haiN| hama khuda apanI pragati karate jAe~ge to ve apane Apa hI cale jaaeNge| nikala jaaeNge| praznakartA : nikala jaaeNge| jAe~ge aisA kaheMge.. dAdAzrI : to vaha dveSa khlaaegaa| praznakartA : hama apanI pragati karate jAe~ge to ve apane Apa hI cale jaaeNge| dAdAzrI : vahI vItarAgoM kA rAstA hai|

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308 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) taba mAnA jAegA ki samyak cAritra bartA praznakartA : hamane koI aisI cIz2a dekhI, jisa para hamArA dhyAna nahIM jAnA cAhie, vahA~ para apanA dhyAna calA jAe, to usa samaya bhale hI dhyAna calA gayA lekina use hamane alaga dekhA, aura use vApasa mor3a sake aura usakI vajaha se koI kArya na ho pAe to aba vaha kisakA cAritra hai, kaisA cAritra hai ? I dAdAzrI : vahI saccA AtmacAritra hai / vahI cAritra kahalAtA hai| bhagavAna ne isI ko to samyak cAritra kahA hai| praznakartA : samyak cAritra bhAva svarUpa se hai, dravya to nahIM hai na ? dAdAzrI : haaN| vaha bhAva svarUpa arthAt hama jJAtA - dRSTA aura vaha jJeya ho jAe to vaha samyak cAritra / utanA ApakA samyak cAritra meM jamA hogA aura usa samaya mAna lo ki yaha jJAna diyA ho lekina samyak cAritra na bhI rahe kyoMki eviDensa haiM na pichale / eviDensa haiM isalie mithyA cAritra ho gayA to Apa yadi usake jAnakAra raho to mithyA cAritra kA jokhima z2yAdA nahIM aaegaa| yadi atizaya tanmayAkAra ho jAo, mUrcchita bhI ho jAo to galata khlaaegaa| apanA jJAna aise mUrcchita bhAva karavAne vAlA nahIM hai| isalie jJAtA - dRSTA rahanA hai / yaha to aisA hai ki jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai phira bhI jJeya meM jJeyAkAra kara detA hai| usa samaya samyak darzana hai lekina samyak cAritra nahIM hai / arthAt yaha ki pUrA palaTA nahIM hai| cAritra kaba jamA hogA ? jaba yahA~ para vartana meM AegA taba jamA hogaa| parakha cAritra bala kI praznakartA : aisA kaba kahA jAegA ki cAritra balavAna hai ? usakA TesTa kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : kisI ke sAtha TakarAva na ho / kisI jagaha para apanA

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[5.2] cAritra 309 mana TakarAe nahIM to kahA jAegA ki cAritra balavAna hai| mana nahIM TakarAe, buddhi nahIM TakarAe, citta nahIM TakarAe aura ahaMkAra bhI nahIM TakarAe, zarIra nahIM TakarAe, eDajasTa evriivher| praznakartA : mana nahIM TakarAe, buddhi nahIM TakarAe, vaha z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : kisI ke sAtha dakhala nahIM ho| TakarAva nahIM ho| hama se kisI ko cir3ha na mace, kisI ko duHkha na ho, kisI ko trAsa na pahu~ce to isakA matalaba yaha hai ki vaha evarIvhera eDajasTa ho cukA honA caahie| praznakartA : TakarAne ke bAda pratikramaNa kara le to cAritra hI kahalAegA na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha to cAritra meM jAne kI nizAnI hai| praznakartA : cAritravAna aura zIlavAna meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : zIlavAna pUrNa cAritra vAlA hotA hai| cAritravAna arthAt aMza zIlavAna aura zIlavAna arthAt sarvAMza zIlavAna / ataH yaha jJAna hai isalie ApameM cAritra AegA, varnA cAritra to ho hI nahIM sakatA na? dhyAna aura tapa ulajhaneM hI khar3I karate rahate haiN| praznakartA : cAritra aura saMyama meM kyA aMtara hai dAdA? dAdAzrI : cAritra aura saMyama meM to bahuta aMtara hai! cAritra kA matalaba hai ki kisI ko bhI kiMcitmAtra bhI duHkha na ho, TakarAva na ho, jabaki saMyama to? asaMyama ko rokanA, use saMyama kahate haiN| vaha to yoM vyavahAra meM saMyamI vyakti khlaaegaa| lekina aba isa jJAna ke bAda saMyama Ane lagA hai| cAritra se lenA-denA nahIM hai| cAritravAna ko dekhakara loga khuza ho jAte haiN|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : brahmacarya kA ekz2ekTa ArAdhana kiyA jAe to phira pUrNa cAritravAna ho jAegA na ? 310 dAdAzrI : kyoM nahIM hogA ? jise jJAna diyA hai, vaha ho jaaegaa| dUsaroM ko nahIM hogA / dUsarA kucha-kucha progresa karegA / jJAna vAlA to pUrNa cAritra ! zIlavAna pasaMda haiM na ? praznakartA : zIlavAna pasaMda haiM / hama cUka jAte haiN| mujhase bhI TakarAva ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hama jo kucha bhI kahate haiM na, vaha to sAra hai ki jisa kSetra meM jAnA hai usa kSetra kI bAta hai| tIrthaMkara zIlavAna kahalAte haiM aura zIlavAna bananA hai, phira jitanA ho pAyA utanA ThIka hai aura bAkI kI jo kamI hai use jAnanA cAhie ki kitanI kamI hai ! taba AegA nizcaya meM 'nizcayathI vyavahArathI re, jJAnAdika svarUpa re / ' - zrImad rAjacaMdra (nizcaya aura vyavahAra se jJAna Adi svarUpa re / ) nizcaya se to jJAna-darzana - cAritra rUpI hai aura vyavahAra se kyA hai ? vahI kA vahI / vaha bhI jJAna - darzana - cAritra rUpI hai / yaha vyavahAra indriyagamya hai, indriyajJAna hai / indriya jJAna, darzana va cAritra vyavahAra hai aura nizcaya vAlA jo hai vaha atindriya jJAna - darzana va cAritra hai lekina nizcaya aura vyavahAra se jJAna - darzana - cAritra rUpI hai| ye caMdUbhAI nATaka kA avatAra haiM / Apa 'caMdUbhAI' nAmaka nATaka karane Ae ho aura aMdara se Apa aisA jAnate ho ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| bhartRhari kA nATaka karane Ae ho aura vAstava meM aMdara aisA jAnate ho ki 'lakSmIcaMda huuN'| vaha apane lakSmIcaMda ko bhUlatA nahIM hai, Apa apane zuddhAtmA ko nahIM bhuulte| yaha jo isa duniyA kA nATaka hai, vaha nizcaya

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[5.2] cAritra 311 kA nATaka hai ataH nATaka meM nATakIya rahanA caahie| sabakucha basa yoM hI, zora-zarAbA, sArI dhA~dhalI karanI hai| aMdara koI pariNAma nahIM badalane caahie| varnA ro-rokara bhugatoge jabaki Apako ha~sakara bhugatanA hai| itanA hI kahate haiM na! bhugatane meM aMtara hai na! nija svabhAva kA akhaMDa jJAna 'kevaLa nija svabhAva, akhaMDa varte jJAna / ' (sirpha nija svabhAva kA hI akhaMDa jJAna baratatA hai|) nija svabhAva kA arthAt 'niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva kaa| usake alAvA anya kucha bhI nahIM rahatA, use kevalajJAna kahate haiM', aisA kRpAludeva ne kahA hai| abhI vaha pada hama se z2arA dUra hai| hameM jJAtA-dRSTA svabhAva meM AnA hai| vaha cAritra kahalAtA hai| abhI to hameM dAdA ne darzana diyA thA, akhaMDa drshn| usameM jitanA anubhava meM Ane lagA utanA jJAna huA aura phira usameM se cAritra utpanna hogaa| aba AMzika cAritra brtegaa| jitanA akhaMDa jJAna-darzana ikaTThA hogA utanA hI cAritra utpanna ho jaaegaa| aba use vaha anubhava kisameM se hotA hai? usa cAritra moha ko dekhane se arthAt vaha yaha saba dekhatA hai ki caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiN| dAdA kA cAritra praznakartA : aba kyA isa cAritra zabda meM jJAna aura darzana A jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : jJAna-darzana donoM hI A jAte haiN| aisA hai na ki yaha jo samyak jJAna, samyak darzana aura samyak cAritra kahA gayA hai, to isa kramika mArga meM samyak jJAna hai, samyak darzana hai aura samyaka cAritra hai| yaha akrama mArga hai ataH kevalajJAna, kevaladarzana aura kevalacAritra hai| ataH Apako kevaladarzana prApta huA hai yahA~ para! kevalajJAna aura kevalacAritra prApta nahIM huA hai|

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312 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kramika mArga meM samyak jJAna, samyak darzana aura samyak cAritra, ve bAhya haiN| aMdara kA bhAga to aMdara kA hI hai lekina vaha sArA zabdoM meM hai, yathArtha nahIM hai| bahuta huA to chaThaveM guNasthAnaka taka pahu~catA hai aura sAtavA~ zAyada hI kabhI dikhAI detA hai| basa, sAtaveM guNasthAnaka para kabhI ekAdha ghaMTe ke lie jA sakatA hai| vaisA huA nahIM hai isa kAla meM abhI tk| to yaha usakA varNana hai| apane akrama mArga meM to kevaladarzana, kevalajJAna aura kevalacAritra haiN| usameM kevaladarzana meM pahuMca gae haiN| kevalajJAna meM pahu~ca pAe~, aisA hai nhiiN| ataH aba hameM apane jo sAre pichale nukasAna haiM na, ve sArI kamiyA~ pUrI kara denI haiM kyoMki darzana, jJAna, cAritra kI prApti kI hai| ataH hameM yahA~ para pUcha-pUchakara apanA sArA baiMka belensa hai na aura sArA ovara DrAphTa hai, ve saba cukA dene haiN| saplAI kara dene haiN| varIz2a nahIM rahI na ab| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, tabhI taka sArI parezAnI hai| ahaMkAra calA gayA to sabakucha calA gyaa| praznakartA : jaise-jaise dAdA ke cAritra ke darzana hote haiM, naz2adIka se dekhane milatA hai, taba aisA hI hotA hai ki hama meM bhI aisA cAritra prakaTa ho| dAdAzrI : vaha to ho jAegA, Apako ciMtA bhI nahIM karanI pdd'egii| dekhanA AnA cAhie bs| isameM prayatna karane vAlA rahA hI kahA~ phira? prayatna karane vAlA to khuda akartA bana cukA hai| akartA prayatna kisa prakAra se karegA? praznakartA : prayatna nahIM rahe taba sahaja prApta ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : prayatna ho jAte haiM, vaha bhI sahaja hai kyoMki vaha bhoktApada kA ahaMkAra hai, kartApada kA ahaMkAra nahIM hai| vaha bhoktApada kA ahaMkAra prayANa karatA hai to vaha bhI sahaja hI hai| vaha prayatna nahIM kahalAtA lekina vaha to hameM kahanA par3atA haiM, zabda pahu~catA hI nahIM hai vahA~ pr| praznakartA : 'dAdAjI kA cAritra dekhanA A jAegA aura prakaTa ho

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[5.2] cAritra 313 jAegA' vaha kyA hai ? saMpUrNa cAritra prakaTa ho cukA hai dAdAzrI meN| phira bhI aisI kauna sI bhUla hai ki hama dekha nahIM paate| dAdAzrI : to phira usane cAritra ko samajhA hI nahIM hai! cAritra kA bAhya lakSaNa kyA hai? vaha hai vItarAgatA, rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| aMdara cAritra hai yA nahIM agara vaha patA lagAnA ho to bAhya lakSaNoM ko dekhanA pdd'egaa| koI gAliyA~ de taba bhI usa para dveSa nahIM aura phUlamAlA car3hAe to usa para rAga nhiiN| to phira yaha taya ho gayA ki aMdara cAritra barata rahA hai| AtmajJAnI puruSa kA cAritra dekhoge to bahuta ho gyaa| yaha nae hI prakAra kA cAritra hai| usa cAritra ko hI dekhate rahanA hai| yahA~ para sIkhanA karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai| dekhate rho| dekho aura jAno, dekho aura jaano| isa samyak cAritra ke bAda kevalacAritra utpanna hogaa| jahA~ kevalacAritra hai vahA~ para aisA saba nahIM karanA hotaa| sva aura para ikaTThe na ho jAe~, isalie pakar3akara rakhanA par3atA hai| kevalacAritra meM aisA nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : apane Apa hI sahaja ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : sahaja rahe, vaha cAritra to alaga hI prakAra kA hotA hai lekina jaba taka para meM jAne se rokanA par3atA hai, taba taka vaha samyak cAritra kahalAtA hai| donoM ko eka nahIM hone denA, vaha samyak cAritra hai| jabaki vaha to kevalajJAnamaya cAritra hai, vaha to bahuta ucca vastu hai| donoM ko eka hone diyA jAe to vaha mithyA cAritra khlaaegaa| eka nahIM hone denA, samyak cAritra hai aura kevalajJAnI meM kevalacAritra baratatA hai| unheM ekAkAra nahIM hone dene ke lie yoM rokanA nahIM pdd'taa| samajha, astitva aura cAritra kI praznakartA : astitva aura cAritra, ye do cIjeM haiN| loga sabhI

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314 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) udAharaNa cAritra meM se lete haiM, astitva kI bAta to alaga hI rahatI hai, to una donoM meM bheda kisa prakAra se karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaha cAritra, kevalajJAna kA cAritra nahIM hai| pichale janma kA cAritra hai| gata janma kA cAritra hai| yaha jo cAritra dikhAI detA hai, vaha isa janma kA pariNAma nahIM hai| ataH vaha pUrNa nahIM hai| cAritra pUrNa nahIM hai| unakA astitva pUrNa hai| vastutva se pUrNa hai aura pUrNatva rUpa se pUrNa hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna, yaha jo A~khoM se dikhAI detA hai na, usa cAritra ko cAritra nahIM khte| jJAna-darzana-cAritra vagairaha aisI cIjeM nahIM hai ki A~khoM se dikhAI deN| vaha cIz2a indriya pratyakSa nahIM hai| ataH vaha cAritra to alaga hI hai aura yaha jo cAritra thA vaha to pichale janma kA pariNAma thaa| sabhI ke jo cAritra dikhAI dete haiM, ve pichale janma ke pariNAma haiM aura astitva dUsarI jagaha para hai| astitva meM zAyada phula sTezana para bhI ho, astitva meM 100 para ho aura cAritra 98 para hotA hai| astitva isa janma kA hai aura cAritra pichale janma kaa| mokSa kA mArga eka hI praznakartA : kyA mokSa prApti ke mArga alaga-alaga haiM? dAdAzrI : prApti kA mArga to eka hI hotA hai, vicAra zreNI alaga-alaga hotI hai| prakRti alaga-alaga hai isalie alaga-alaga vicAra zreNI para se vahA~ para le jAte haiM lekina prakAza ke rUpa meM jJAna to vahI kA vahI hai| prakAza meM aMtara nahIM hai| prakAza to, anaMta caubIsiyA~ bIta gaIM aura jaisA prakAza thA vahI kA vahI calA A rahA hai| prakAza meM koI aMtara nahIM hai| agara prakAza meM aMtara hai to ajJAna hai| vahI kA vahI prakAza honA caahie| jJAna-darzana va cAritra vahI ke vahI hone caahie| kramika mArga meM jJAna, darzana aura cAritra hai aura akrama meM darzana, jJAna aura cAritra hai lekina prakAza vahI kA vahI hai| kevalajJAna kA prakAza vahI kA vahI hai| aMta meM pariNAma kyA AegA? kevljnyaan| pariNAma vahI kA vahI aaegaa| isa akrama kA tarIkA puNyazAlI logoM ko prApta hogA, yaha tarIkA AsAna hai !

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[5.2] cAritra 315 yathAkhyAta cAritra praznakartA : kyA yathAkhyAta cAritra zukladhyAna hai? dAdAzrI : jaba zukla dhyAna utpanna hotA hai taba isa tarapha yathAkhyAta cAritra utpanna ho jAtA hai| zukla dhyAna use kahate haiM ki khuda apanA hI dhyAna, anya koI cIz2a usameM nahIM aae| svAbhAvika dhyAna kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : yathAkhyAta cAritra hI kevalajJAna hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| yathAkhyAta cAritra pUrNa hone ke bAda kevalajJAna utpanna hotA hai| yathAkhyAta cAritra meM to AtmA kA pUrA lakSa (jAgRti) baiTha jAtA hai ki vaha kyA hai! usake bAda kevalajJAna hotA hai| praznakartA : yathAkhyAta cAritra kA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jaisA hai vaisA caaritr| praznakartA : yaha samyak cAritra se bhI ucca prakAra kA cAritra kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : bahuta ucca kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : kevalacAritra? dAdAzrI : usase Age kA jo cAritra hai, vaha kevalacAritra kahalAtA hai| yaha jaba pUrNa ho jAtA hai taba kevalacAritra kahalAtA hai| vItarAga cAritra meM hI, phira usakI ramaNatA usI meM rahA karatI hai| vaha hai bhagavAna mahAvIra kA caaritr| Atma ramaNatA, nija ramaNatA, svabhAva rmnntaa| praznakartA : svabhAva ramaNatA hI yathAkhyAta cAritra hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, yathAkhyAta kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : aba isa yathAkhyAta cAritra, samyak cAritra aura kevalacAritra meM kyA pharka hai dAdA?

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : yaha yathAkhyAta cAritra to, samyak cAritra pAra ho gayA to kauna sA AyA ? yathAkhyAta AyA / 99 ho to vaha Apako 100 kA noTa nahIM detaa| 99 para 99 paise hote haiM phira bhI 100 kA noTa nahIM dete| ataH yathAkhyAta 100 kA noTa hai aura bAkI kA sArA 99, 98 ... pahale samyak cAritra hai, usake bAda yathAkhyAta aura usake bAda vItarAga cAritra / 316 praznakartA : aba ina sabhI ke lakSaNa kyA haiM ? yaha jo yathAkhyAta cAritra hai, samyak cAritra hai aura kevalacAritra hai, unake lakSaNa kyA haiM? dAdAzrI : mahAtmAoM meM kevalacAritra nahIM hai / samyak cAritra hai! arthAt hameM to Age jAkara vItarAga cAritra hI aaegaa| yahA~ para yathAkhyAta nahIM hai| giratA hai-khar3A hotA hai, giratA hai - khar3A hotA hai aura jaba vaha giranA baMda ho jAegA taba vaha yathAkhyAta khlaaegaa| jaise ki eka baccA giratA hai-khar3A hotA hai, giratA hai - khar3A hotA hai, usake bAda usakA giranA baMda hone lagatA hai / taba yathAkhyAta ho gayA / praznakartA : giranA baMda ho jAe to yathAkhyAta / to kyA usameM vItarAgatA adhika sthira ho jAtI hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA to jaba yathAkhyAta cAritra utpanna hotA hai tabhI ho sakatI hai, varnA taba taka nahIM ho sktii| praznakartA : to phira samyak cAritra meM kyA-kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : baccA giratA hai, vApasa khar3A hotA hai| giratA hai-khar3A hotA hai lekina kyoMki vaha khar3A ho jAtA hai isalie use samyak cAritra kahA gayA hai| phira jaba khar3A rahane ke bAda khar3A hI rahe aura jaba vaha auroM kI taraha hI calane lage, to phira yathAkhyAta / aMtara, kevala aura samyak cAritra meM praznakartA : kevalacAritra aura samyak cAritra meM kyA aMtara hai ? dAdAzrI : samyak cAritra jagat ke loga dekha sakate haiM aura

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[5.2] cAritra 317 kevalacAritra kisI ko dikhAI nahIM detaa| yaha samyak cAritra dikhAI detA hai, jagat ke loga samajha sakate haiN| loga samyak cAritra ko khuda kI bhASA meM samajha jAte haiM aura kevalacAritra pahacAnA nahIM jA sakatA, dikhAI nahIM detaa| vaha indriyagamya nahIM hai, jJAnagamya hai| samyak cAritra indriyagamya hai| kaSAyarahita cAritra samyak cAritra hai aura kevalacAritra aMtima prakAra kA cAritra hai| praznakartA : yathAkhyAta cAritra aura kevalacAritra meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : yathAkhyAta cAritra arthAt jnyaataa-dRssttaa| jaisA hai vaisA jnyaaykpnaa| yathAkhyAta cAritra ke bAda kevalacAritra hai, kevalajJAna hone ke bAda meM kevalacAritra hai! aMtima hai vaha!

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[6] nirAlaMba AdhAra-AdhArita ke saMbaMdha se TikA hai saMsAra bhayaMkara duHkhoM meM duHkhI-duHkhI ho gae haiM lekina kisa AdhAra se jI rahe haiM ? usakA koI AdhAra to hogA na? vaha bAhara nikalane ke bAda kahatA hai, 'maiM ina saba se bar3A hU~, bs'| usI AdhAra se jI rahe haiN| AdhAra to honA cAhie na jIne kA! sabhI loga AdhAra se jI rahe haiN| kisa AdhAra se jI rahe haiM ? 'ina maz2adUroM se hama sukhI haiN|' ye jo AdivAsI hote haiM na, maiMne kahA, 'Apa kisa AdhAra se jI rahe ho? ApakA kacha...?' 'maiM cAra gAyoM kA mAlika hN|' 'he! cAra gAyeM, dotIna bachar3oM kA maiM mAlika hU~!' itane AdhAra se jI rahe haiM sbhii| kisI na kisI kA AdhAra rakhate haiN| ahaMkAra kA AdhAra rakhate haiM, rUpa ke AdhAra se, koI sage-saMbaMdhiyoM kA AdhAra rakhate haiM, koI viSaya kA AdhAra, yA kisI anya cIz2a ke AdhAra se saba jI rahe haiN| to aura kisa AdhAra se jI rahe haiM? khAnA khAne se to deha jIvita rahatA hai, mana kisa AdhAra se jIvita rahatA hai ? ina sabhI avalaMbanoM se hI jIvita rahatA hai| buddhi kisa AdhAra para jIvita rahatI hai? jo usakI khurAka hai, usase jIvita rahatI hai lekina agara sanAtana avalaMbana hogA to kabhI bhI nahIM chuuttegaa| Apa jJAna lene se pahale sabhI prakAra ke avalaMbana lete the| jahA~ para avalaMbana rakhate haiM, vahA~ para to agara vidhavA ho jAe to bhI rone baiTha jAtI hai| kisI na kisI para AdhAra rahatA hai usakA! jaba AdhAra chUTa jAtA hai taba phira vaha aise ahaMkAra se jIvita rahatA hai, 'oho, ina saba se to maiM behatara huuN'| roz2a jIe kisa AdhAra para? jaba

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[6] nirAlaMba 319 taka use sahI avalaMbana nahIM mila jAtA, jaba taka trikAlI avalaMbana, yaha sanAtana avalaMbana nahIM hai, taba taka jIne kA AdhAra hI nahIM hai na! logoM ko dekhakara jIvita rahatA hai| vaha dekhatA hai ki 'dekho! kitane sAre loga hama se bhI jyAdA duHkhI haiM, aisA hai, vaisA hai...'| usa AdhAra para jIvita rahatA hai na phir| ataH yaha jagat bahuta bar3A avalaMbana hai lekina ye sabhI AdhAra vinAzI haiN| vaha AdhAra jaba calA jAtA hai taba vApasa mana hI mana ulajhana meM par3a jAtA hai| sirpha jJAnIpuruSa hI AdhArita nahIM haiN| nirAlaMba haiN| koI AlaMbana nhiiN| jagat avalaMbana se jIvita hai, AdhAra se jIvita hai| jaba vaha AdhAra nirAdhAra ho jAtA hai taba kalpAMta karatA hai| jJAnIpuruSa khuda ebsalyUTa ho cuke haiM isalie unheM AdhAra-AdhArita saMbaMdha nahIM rhe| ebsalyUTa ! bhale hI jagat kalyANa kI yaha bhAvanA raha gaI hai lekina khuda ho to cuke haiM ebsalyUTa ! ebsalyUTa arthAt niraalNb| unheM kisI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai! svataMtra kevala! kevala hI, anya koI mikscara nhiiN| duniyA meM kauna sA AdhAra zAzvata hai? pahale kisa AdhAra para jI rahe the? praznakartA : mana kI icchaaeN| dAdAzrI : ve sabhI AdhAra galata the| ve kaba nirAdhAra ho jAeMge, kahA nahIM jA sakatA kyoMki koI bhI apanA nahIM banatA na? isa jagat meM koI bhI kabhI bhI apanA nahIM bana sktaa| kucha samaya meM jaba koI matabheda ho jAe to alg| aura matabheda hone meM dera hI nahIM lagatI na! ataH ye saba AdhAra galata haiN| sirpha khuda ke zuddhAtmA kA AdhAra hI saccA hai aura yadi vaha prApta ho jAe to zAMti hI rahegI na? bAkI ina AdhAroM se to loga mAra khA-khAkara thaka cuke haiN| isIlie parezAna ho gae haiM na log| kitane hI loga paisoM kA AdhAra lete haiN| paisoM ke AdhAra para jIvita rahate haiM ? paisA kaba alopa ho jAegA, vaha kahA nahIM jA

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320 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) sktaa| deha ke AdhAra kA ThikAnA nahIM hai, na jAne deha kaba kamaz2ora par3a jAe! samajhadAra iMsAna na jAne kaba pAgala ho jAe, vaha kahA nahIM jA sktaa| Aja bahuta hI samajhadAra mAnA jAtA ho lekina agale sAla vaha pAgala ho jAtA hai| kisI AdhAra kI z2arUrata to par3egI yA nahIM? vaha bhI, sthAyI AdhAra! AdhAra aisA honA cAhie ki vaha phira haTa na jaae| yaha takiyA hai na, maiM isa para soyA hU~ to mujhe vizvAsa hai ki vaha gira nahIM jAegA lekina ye bacce, vAipha, ina para kabhI takie kI taraha sira rakheM to gira sakate haiM kyoMki vaha saccA AdhAra nahIM hai| yaha dIvAra to kucha samaya ke lie TikAU hai| vaha kucha samaya bAda yoM gira nahIM jAegI, vizvAsa to rahatA hai na ki dabAe~ge to koI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| jabaki rizteM dabAte hI nIce gira jAte haiN| ataH aba ina hiMdustAna ke logoM ko aMdara ke AdhAra kI z2arUrata haiN| bAkI bAhara ke logoM ko AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM haiM kyoMki ve sahajabhAva se jI rahe haiN| sahaja! unheM koI vikalpa nahIM aate| unake lie AdhAra yA nirAdhAra jaisA kucha hai hI nahIM, patnI ke sAtha matabheda huA ki DivaoNrsa! vaha alaga ho jAtI hai! dUsarI le AtA hai vaaps| use samAja kA koI Dara yA bhaya aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai, samAja kA baMdhana nahIM hai| ___aba jaba zuddhAtmA kA AdhAra hai na, mAna lo vaha to jaba se milA tabhI se mokSa jAnA taya ho gyaa| use pAsapaoNrTa mila gayA hai, vIz2A mila gayA hai, sabhI kucha mila gyaa| agara vaha vApasa na calA jAe, yadi vaha khuda AjJA meM rahegA to? lekina phira bhI isameM zabdoM kA AdhAra hai| phira usameM se bhI nirAlaMba honA hai| cala bhAI, nijaghara meM Aja iMgaliza cAya pI phira bhI mu~ha meM piparamiMTa DAlanI pdd'ii| to bhAI phira cAya kyoM pI ki piparamiMTa kI z2arUrata par3I? isa taraha se

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[6] nirAlaMba plasa-mAinasa, plasa - mAinasa, plasa - mAinasa / mIThI cAya pI aura vApasa kucha dera bAda aMdara tIkhA yA mIThA kucha ddaalo| vApasa usakA plasamAinasa karo, pUre dina yahI jhaMjhaTa / are bhAI apane ghara calA jA na ! cala bhAI! aba hameM yahA~ para nahIM rahanA hai| apane ghara cala / yahA~ para nahIM jamegA ina logoM ke sAtha, paradezI logoM ke sAtha / jamegA ina paradezI logoM ke sAtha ? apane ghara cl| atyaMta ezvarya hai, kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| nirAlaMba, avalaMbana hI nahIM kisI prakAra kA aura yahA~ para to agara piparamiMTa na ho to kaheMge, 'merA mu~ha phIkA ho gayA hai khArA ho gayA hai'| are chor3a na bhAI / mu~ha acchA ho, nAka acchI ho, A~kheM acchI hoM, inhIM ke AdhAra para jIvana jInA hai kyA tujhe ? chor3a / dekho dAdA kisameM rahate haiM ? nirAlaMba sthiti meM / dAdA ke pAsa Aja vaha sthiti hai, dAdA aise haiM ki binA avalaMbana ke jI sakate haiM kyoMki unhoMne nirAlaMba AtmA ko dekhA hai / I nirAlaMba AtmA kaisA hotA hai ? 321 praznakartA : vaha adbhuta darzana kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : adbhuta, vaha gupta svarUpa hai ! vaha pUrI duniyA se gupta hai, gupta svarUpa hai| pUrI duniyA usa gupta svarUpa ko jAnatI hI nahIM hai, vaha adbhuta hai| usase adhika adbhuta vastu isa duniyA meM ho hI nahIM sktii| adbhuta to isa duniyA meM koI bhI cIz2a hai hI nahIM na! bAkI sabhI cIz2eM mila sakatI haiN| jo gupta svarUpa hai na, vahI adbhuta hai isa duniyA meN| zAstrakAroM ne use adbhuta, adbhuta, adbhuta karake, lAkhoM bAra adbhuta, adbhuta likhA hai| praznakartA : zabda brahma hai na ? zabdoM meM hI alaga-alaga prakAra se pradarzita karate haiN| lekina una zabdoM kA sphoTa honA caahie| dAdAzrI : zabdoM kA sphoTa ho hI cukA hotA hai / yadi vAstavika ho, yadi anubhava karavAne vAlA ho to ina zabdoM kA sphoTa ho cukA hotA hai, bAkI ke sabhI zabda galata haiN| jo zabda kucha bhI anubhava nahIM

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) karavAte, ve sabhI zabda galata haiM aura jahA~ zabda hI nahIM haiM, vaha aMtima bAta hai| nirAlaMba! lekina zabda svarUpa kI prApti ke bAda iMsAna nirAlaMba ho sakatA hai / nirAlaMba to aMtima sTezana hai ! 322 I AtmA nirAlaMba hai, use kisI AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / use kisI ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'tii| AtmA to ina gharoM ke ArapAra nikala jAe, aisA hai| pahAr3oM ke Ara-pAra nikala jAe, aisA hai / pUrI duniyA avalaMbana vAlI hai pUrI hI duniyA, devI-devatAoM se lekara cAroM gati ke loga avalaMbana meM hI khadabada, khadabada, khadabada... nirAlaMba ko svataMtra kahA gayA hai, ebsalyUTa kahA gayA hai| haiM ? AlaMbana - guru yA zAstroM kA ? praznakartA : kyA zAstra kisI jIva ke lie AlaMbana bana sakate dAdAzrI : hA~, kaI jIvoM ke lie zAstra AlaMbanarUpI bana jAte haiN| kaI jIvoM ke lie guru avalaMbana bana jAte haiM lekina yadi usa avalaMbana ke AdhAra para jIte haiM to usa avalaMbana ko bIca meM chor3a nahIM denA caahie| aba jaise ise ' ahamada kidavAI roDa' kahate haiM kyA ? to use par3ho taba hamane jAnA ki isa rAste se hokara jAnA hai lekina usa vyakti kA makAna A jAe taba hameM usa roDa ko chor3a denA hai| roDa ko sAtha meM nahIM le jAnA hai / jaba makAna meM jAte haiM taba kyA roDa ko sAtha le jAnA hotA hai ? eka vyakti to Upara kI maMz2ila para gayA to vaha tIna sIr3hiyA~ lekara cddh'aa| are bhAI, ye sIr3hiyA~ Upara kyoM le AyA ? to kahane lagA, 'inase mujhe bahuta prema hai' / ' to bhAI vahIM para khar3A raha na ! bekAra hI yahA~ para kyA karane AyA hai? sIr3hiyoM se pyAra karanA hai yA Upara car3hanA hai ? kyA karanA hai ? yaha to sIr3hI hai| isase pyAra nahIM karanA hai / ' yaha sIr3hI to tere Upara car3hane ke lie haiM, pyAra karane ke lie nahIM hai / praznakartA : isI prakAra yadi guru kA AlaMbana leM to usa avalaMbana ko Age jAkara chor3a denA cAhie ?

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[6] nirAlaMba 323 dAdAzrI : nhiiN| chor3anA-karanA vagairaha kucha hai hI nahIM, rahane denA hai| ve vyavahAra se guru haiN| strI ko nahIM chor3anA hai, vyavahAra ko nahIM chor3anA hai, guru ko nahIM chor3anA hai aura nizcaya meM nizcaya ke guru banAne haiN| praznakartA : eka khAsa sTeja para pahu~cane ke bAda guru kA bhI avalaMbana chor3a denA par3egA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to apane Apa hI chUTa jAegA, chor3anA nahIM pdd'egaa| chor3ane se to tiraskAra hogaa| yaha to sahaja rUpa se chUTa jaaegaa| yogI ko kisakA avalaMbana? praznakartA : yogI ko bhI avalaMbana rahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, avalaMbana vAlA hI yogI kahalAtA hai| AtmayogI avalaMbana vAle nahIM hote, nirAlaMba hote haiN| unheM duniyA meM kisI bhI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| AtmayogI ko bhagavAna kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM rahatI kyoMki ve khuda hI bhagavAna bana cuke hote haiN| AtmayogI hue, tabhI se khuda bhagavAna bana jAte haiN| unheM kisI kI z2arUrata hI nahIM rhtii| praznakartA : AtmA aura phira sAtha meM yogI zabda AyA, to use avalaMbana kI z2arUrata to par3egI hI na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmayogI to pahacAnane ke lie kahate haiM ki inakA yoga kisameM hai ? mana-vacana-kAyA ho aura AtmA prApta ho jAe, ve donoM sAtha meM hote haiN| to yaha yoga kahA~ hai ? bAhara hai yA AtmA ke sAtha meM hai? AtmA ke sAtha meM hogA to AtmayogI khlaaegaa| apane kRSNa bhagavAna Atmayogezvara kahalAte haiN| Atmayogezvara! ve dehayogezvara, vacanayogezvara yA manoyogezvara nahIM khlaate| bAkI ye saba jo haiM ve sabhI mana ke aura vacana ke yogI haiN| isase thor3I bahuta zAMti ho jAtI hai lekina pUrNa kalyANa nahIM ho sktaa|

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324 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) phira nahIM buddhi kA AlaMbana AtmAnubhavI puruSoM ne jo AtmA nahIM dekhA hai, vaha AtmA hamane dekhA hai| AtmAnubhavI ko to jitanA anubhava huA, paccIsa pratizata anubhava huA to dUsarA pacahattara pratizata kA kyA huA? usa pacahattara pratizata kA use avalaMbana hai| paccIsa pratizata anubhava ho jAe to utanA nirAlaMba ho jAtA hai| hamane nirAlaMba AtmA dekhA hai aura hameM saba meM nirAlaMba AtmA dikhAI detA hai lekina Apako yaha kaise samajha meM AegA? vaha to niraMtara mere sAtha ke sAtha darzana rahA karegA na, to kAma ho jaaegaa| bAkI yaha kAma isa taraha se nahIM ho skegaa| jaisejaise AtmA kA kucha anubhava hotA jAegA na, vaise-vaise kAma hotA jaaegaa| hama Apa saba ko AtmA kA jJAna dete haiM, sabhI ko AtmAnubhava hai| hara eka ko apane-apane parimANa meN| AtmAnubhava bar3hane ke bAda paccIsa, tIsa, cAlIsa pratizata hone ke bAda usameM nAma mAtra ko bhI buddhi nahIM rhtii| paccIsa pratizata (AtmAnubhava) hone se hI buddhi calI jAtI hai| anubhava jaba paccIsa pratizata taka pahu~catA hai taba, kyoMki usake bAda unheM vaha kAma hI nahIM aatii| balki unakI pragati meM dakhala karatI rahatI hai| jagat jIvita hai AlaMbana se praznakartA : lekina dAdA, iMsAna ko anAdi se Adata hai ki AlaMbana se hI jInA hai| dAdAzrI : AlaMbana ke binA to mara jAegA iNsaan| AlaMbana se jInA, vahI saMsAra kahalAtA hai aura nirAlaMba se jIe to vaha mukti hai| bhalA ina AlaMbanoM meM AnaMda kahA~ hai? ve to phira chUTa jAte haiM na, nirAlaMba kA mokSa hotA hai| praznakartA : lekina iMsAna ko avalaMbana ke binA calatA hI nahIM hai na?

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[6] nirAlaMba 325 dAdAzrI : nahIM cltaa| praznakartA : ve aisA kahate haiM ki 'maiM binA avalaMbana ke nahIM jI skuuNgaa| eka nahIM to dUsarA avalaMbana cAhie hii'| dAdAzrI : yadi jJAna nahIM hotA to koI AlaMbana rahita ho hI nahIM sakatA thaa| yaha to aisA hai ki agara rAta ko ghara para koI na ho to bhI mana meM parezAnI hotI rahatI hai| praznakartA : isalie phira dUsare avalaMbana ke pAsa jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : avalaMbana badalatA hai| praznakartA : ve dUsare loga kyA kahate haiM ? A jA, maiM kucha kara duuNgaa| dAdAzrI : are ! jitane cAho utane avlNbn| isalie vaha avalaMbana badalatA rahatA hai| nahIM to phira kahatA hai 'maiM to mara gayA re'| isa prakAra se avalaMbana letA hai| are, to kyA usase ThIka ho gayA? mata kahanA bhAI! phira bhI kahatA hai isalie zAMta nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : use khuda ko sAMtvanA rahatI hai, saaNtvnaa| dAdAzrI : kaisI sAMtvanA rahatI hai ? utara gyaa| jitanA Upara car3hA thA, vaha DevelapamenTa thaa| vaha DevelapamenTa kama ho gyaa| are, lekina jIte jI mara gayA! praznakartA : avalaMbana se jIkara bhI usake jIvana meM kyA badalAva dikhAI diyA? Apa kahate haiM ki avalaMbana se jIne vAlA vyakti mRta samAna hai| dAdAzrI : phira bhI yaha pUrI duniyA jI hI rahI hai na! lekina yaha pUrI duniyA, sAdhu-saMnyAsI, AcArya saba avalaMbana se hI jI rahe haiN| avalaMbana ke binA to kucha bhI nahIM ho sakatA na? sat nirAlaMba vastu hai| vahA~ agara avalaMbana lekara DhU~Dhane jAegA to kisa prakAra milegA?

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326 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) isameM to agara sirpha jJAnIpuruSa kA avalaMbana le to kAma ho jAegA kyoMki vaha aMtima sAdhana hai! AtmA nirAlaMba hai! nirAlaMbI dazA praznakartA : lekina Apa jisa samajha kI bAta kara rahe haiM, vaha nirAvalaMbI samajha hai na? dAdAzrI : usakI to bAta hI alaga hai! nirAvalaMbI hai| usake bAre meM to duniyA ne abhI taka sunA hI nahIM hai, bAz2Ara meM bhI nahIM sunA hai| usakA anubhava kucha hI logoM ne kiyA hai| ve batAe binA cale ge| vaha jo bAta hai, maiMne bAz2Ara meM khola dii| praznakartA : aba yaha jo nirAvalaMbana kI samajha hai. nirAlaMbI samajha hai, to vahA~ vartana kaisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vartana limiTeDa ho jAtA hai aura phira khatma ho jAtA hai ___ praznakartA : nahIM daadaa| jahA~ nirAlaMbana kI samajha hai, vahA~ para vartana-cAritra sabakucha eka hI ho jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : vartana bahuta hI kama rahatA hai, thor3A bhut| jaise laTU ghUmate-ghUmate thaka jAtA hai na, phira dhIre-dhIre ghUmatA hai na, usa taraha kA! praznakartA : vaha to Apane bAhara kI bAta kii| dAdAzrI : to aura kyA? aMdara to kucha rahatA hI nahIM hai| kliyara rahatA hai| sApha-sutharA rahatA hai| praznakartA : hama ApakI dazA dekhate haiM lekina hameM kucha patA nahIM calatA, lekina ApakI dazA kaisI hogI? parama jJAna meM jo dazA rahatI hai, vaha dazA kaisI hotI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, usa dazA ko hama hI jAnate haiN| maiM samAdhi se bAhara

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[6] nirAlaMba 327 nikalatA hI nahIM huuN| abhI bhI merI samAdhi niraMtara calatI rahatI hai| maiM yaha aMbAlAla paTela nahIM hU~, maiM yaha ahaMkAra nahIM hU~, maiM yaha citta bhI nahIM hU~, maiM ina sabhI cIz2oM ke usa pAra huuN| maiM zuddhAtmA bhI nahIM huuN| zuddhAtmA to ye jo loga bane haiM, ve haiN| maiM to zabda rUpa bhI nahIM huuN| maiM daraasala svarUpa meM hU~, nirAlaMba svarUpa meM hU~ lekina abhI cAra DigrI kI kamI hai, jo merI abhI taka pUrI nahIM huI haiN| taba taka merI kyA icchA hai ? maiMne jo yaha sukha prApta kiyA hai vaisA sukha loga bhI prApta kareM, itanI hI icchA bacI hai| praznakartA : jo kahane vAle rahe aura jinhoMne nirAlaMba kI bAteM kI haiM, ve samajha meM nahIM aatiiN| dAdAzrI : nA, ve samajha meM Ae~gI hI nahIM na! vaha to jaba bahuta sAloM taka mere sAtha baiThe rahoge, taba kucha samajha meM aaegaa| nirAlaMba kI tarapha to jagat haz2AroM sAla se pahu~cA hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : nahIM pahu~cA hai| yaha naI bAta hai daadaa| maiM hI bhagavAna hU~, vaha nirAlaMba! dAdAzrI : khuda khuda ke hI kAna meM dekha sake, aisA koI sAdhana nahIM hai| khuda khuda kA hI ceharA dekha sake, aisA koI sAdhana nahIM hai? praznakartA : nA, nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : avalaMbana parAvalaMbana vAlA hai| jahA~ avalaMbana lie hoM, vahA~ se yadi sabhI avalaMbana haTa jAe~ to kyA hogA? ataH vItarAga vijJAna, bhagavAna mahAvIra kyA kahate haiM ki nirAlaMba, jahA~ kisI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, vahI saMpUrNa svataMtratA hai| hamane nirAlaMba kA vaha sukha cakhA hai aura nirAlaMba kA anubhava ho cukA hai| praznakartA : loga use DhU~Dhane ke lie avalaMbana kA prayatna karate haiN|

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328 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : avalaMbana se jagat khar3A hai| isa avalaMbana kI madada se jIte haiM sbhii| praznakartA : lekina aisA mAnate haiM ki avalaMbana se hI milegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vahI hai na sabhI jagaha, avalaMbana ke binA milegA hI kaise? vaha AtmA ke svarUpa ko nahIM jaantaa| vaha nirAlaMba, 'maiM svataMtra hU~', aisA nahIM jaantaa| kisI bhI bhagavAna se maiM svataMtra hU~, 'maiM bhagavAna hI hU~', aisA nahIM jaantaa| yadi aisA jAne ki 'maiM bhagavAna hU~' to kahA jAegA ki vaha nirAlaMba ho gyaa| use kisI kA avalaMbana nahIM rhaa| praznakartA : hA~ lekina avalaMbana se to vaha nahIM milegA na? AtmA prApti kI bAta kara rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : AtmA prApti ke lie aisA kucha nahIM hai| jinheM yaha AtmA prApta huA hai, unhIM se hameM prApta ho sakatA hai| yaha saba to ThIka hai| ye saba to avalaMbana hI haiM na! sabhI avalaMbana haiN| nirAlaMba hI AtmA kA guNa hai| uccattama guNa kauna sA hai? nirAlaMbapanA, koI avalaMbana nhiiN| vahI usakA ebsalyUTa svabhAva hai| __ AtmA ko kisI kA avalaMbana nahIM hai| AtmA ko kisI cIz2a kA avalaMbana nahIM hai| nirAlaMba vastu hai aura yaha pudgala avalaMbana hai| jaba taka aisA hai ki 'maiM yaha hU~' taba taka yaha avalaMbana hai| jaba taka Atmasammukha nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka sukha aura duHkha bhI avalaMbana haiM, aura paravazatA hai| avalaMbana hI paravazatA hai na! AtmA ke sivA jo-jo avalaMbana lie haiM, jaba taka ve nikala nahIM jAte taba taka kucha nahIM ho paaegaa| __ 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha zabdAvalaMbana praznakartA : Atmadarzana kisa prakAra se hotA hai ? AtmA khuda apane Apa ko kisa prakAra se dekha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda apane Apa ko? vaha khuda ko to dekhatA

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[6] nirAlaMba hI hai lekina auroM ko bhI dekhatA hai, lekina vaha usa vAlI dRSTi se ! isa dRSTi se nhiiN| 329 Apako jo yaha diyA hai na, vaha zuddhAtmA pada hai / aba zuddhAtmA pada se hI mokSa kA sikkA laga gyaa| zuddhAtmA pada prApta hotA hai lekina zuddhAtmA zabda kA avalaMbana kahalAtA hai / jaba nirAlaMba ho jAegA taba AtmA dikhAI degA acchI taraha se / praznakartA: hA~, to vaha nirAlaMba dazA kaba AegI ? dAdAzrI : aba dhIre-dhIre nirAlaMba tarapha hI jaaoge| hamArI ina AjJAoM meM cale ki nirAlaMba kI tarapha cale / ina zabdoM kA avalaMbana dhIre-dhIre calA jAegA aura aMta meM AkhirakAra nirAlaMba utpanna hokara rhegaa| nirAlaMba arthAt usake bAda kisI kI koI bhI z2arUrata na rhe| pUrA gA~va calA jAe to bhI ghabarAhaTa na ho, bhaya nahIM lge| kucha bhI nhiiN| kisI ke bhI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata na pdd'e| aba dhIre-dhIre Apa usa tarapha hI calane lage ho / abhI Apa itanA hI karate raho ki 'zuddhAtmA hU~', to kAphI hai ! praznakartA : ataH Atmadarzana ke bAda meM jo sthiti AtI hai, vaha bilkula nirAlaMba sthiti hI ho sakatI hai na ? dAdAzrI : nirAlaMba hone kI taiyAriyA~ hotI jAtI hai / avalaMbana kama hote jAte haiN| aMta meM nirAlaMba sthiti AtI hai| Apa saba mujhase zuddhAtmA prApta karate ho, aba Apako apane Apa hI usa zuddhAtmA kA niraMtara lakSa (jAgRti) rahatA hai, sahaja rUpa se rahatI hI hai, yAda nahIM karanA par3atA, Apako ciMtA - varIz2a vagairaha nahIM hotIM, saMsAra meM krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha nahIM hote lekina phira bhI vaha mUla AtmA nahIM hai| Apako jo prApta huA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA hai yAnI ki Apane mokSa ke pahale daravAz2e meM praveza kiyA hai isalie Apake lie taya ho gayA hai ki aba Apa mokSa prApta karoge lekina mUla AtmA to usase bhI bahuta Age, mUla AtmA bahuta dUra hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ApakA ina zabdoM kA avalaMbana calA jAegA usake lie ina pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana karo, to dhIre-dhIre darzana dikhatA jaaegaa| dikhate-dikhatedikhate khuda ke selpha meM hI anubhava rhegaa| usake bAda zabdoM kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'egii| isa prakAra 'zaoNrTa kaTa' meM to A gae na? praznakartA : ekadama 'zaoNrTa kaTa' meM A gae, hN| dAdAzrI : nahIM to dAdA ke pIche par3anA par3egA, mahIne-do mhiine| agara sirpha paisoM ke pIche par3e rahoge to phira dAdA roz2a nahIM mileNge| praznakartA : dAdA ke hI pIche par3anA hai| dAdAzrI : thor3e bahuta dAdA ke pIche par3eMge to ApakA sArA eDajasTamenTa ThIka ho jaaegaa| phira aisA kucha hamezA ke lie z2arUrI nahIM hai| yaha hamezA ke lie nahIM hai| yaha hamezA ke lie par3e rahane kI jagaha nahIM hai| isa kAla meM to aisA kisI iMsAna se ho hI nahIM sakatA ki hamezA par3A raha ske| bilkula laphar3e vAlA kAla hai| aMta meM anubhava aura anubhavI eka hI praznakartA : zuddhAtmA avalaMbana hai| yadi vaha na hotA to nirAlaMba bhI nahIM hotA lekina AtmA zabda to eka saMjJA hI hai na?! dAdAzrI : aisA hai na isa zabda kA AlaMbana lekara yaha rAstA hai, sIr3hI hai| sIr3hI car3hate-car3hate jaba Upara pahu~ceMge taba prApta hogaa| zuddhAtmA karate-karate jaise-jaise anubhava hotA jAegA taba phira usa anubhava kA bhAga rhegaa| usake bAda zuddhAtmA zabda khatma ho jaaegaa| vaha nirAlaMba kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina logoM ko Apa jo jJAna dete haiM, kyA usase mUla AtmA prApta ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha jo AtmA kA anubhava rahatA hai na, vahI mUla AtmA hai lekina jaise-jaise vaha anubhava eka jagaha para ikaTThA hote-hote mUla

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[6] nirAlaMba jagaha para AtA jAegA, vaise-vaise vahI khuda kA pUrNa svarUpa bana jaaegaa| abhI kI dazA meM anubhava aura anubhavI donoM alaga haiM jabaki vahA~ para ekAkAra hote haiN| jaba yaha mAla khAlI ho jAegA taba sabhI anubhava hoNge| vaha mAla jo anubhava meM dakhala karatA rahatA hai, svAda nahIM Ane detaa| jaise ki yadi eka vyakti ne 40 lAkha rupaye kA ovaraDrAphTa liyA ho, aura vaha bekAra ho jAe, naukarI-dhaMdhA kucha bhI na rahe taba agara koI vyakti use 15 haz2Ara kI naukarI dilavA de to usakA upakAra mAnanA cAhie yA nahIM mAnanA cAhie? vyApAra thA, taba z2arA sI bhI samajha nahIM thI, 40 lAkha rupaye kA karja car3hA diyA! upakAra mAnanA cAhie na? upakAra mAnatA bhI hai| do-cAra mahInoM bAda jaba vaha vyakti mile taba vaha pUche, 'aba kaisA hai? AnaMda hai na?' 'nahIM! kaisA AnaMda! abhI to vahA~ paise cukA rahA hU~ aura khAne ko mila rahA hai|' are bhAI, udhAra liyA hai to cukAnA hI par3egA na! ataH jaba taka yaha sArA udhAra na cuka jAe taba taka to rhegaa| usake bAda maz2A AegA, varnA phira bhI zAMti to rahatI hai, ciMtA nahIM hotii| agara pA~ca AjJA meM rahe na to ciMtA mukta raha sakate haiN| agara pA~ca haz2Ara logoM kA bhI kucha kAma ho rahA ho na, to acchI bAta hai| bAkI, vahA~ mokSa meM jAne kI kyA jaldI hai? aba hama aisI jagaha para A gae haiM ki yahA~ se vApasa nikAlane vAlA koI hai hI nhiiN| yadi Apa merI AjJA pAlana karoge to yahA~ se Apako koI bhI vApasa nahIM nikAla sakegA kyoMki Apako AjJA ke adhIna rahanA par3egA, varnA vApasa nikAla bhI sakate haiN| jabaki mujhe vApasa nikAlane vAlA koI nahIM hai kyoMki maiM to kahatA hU~, 'nirAlaMba ho cukA huuN| Apako to zuddhAtmA zabda kA avalaMbana haiM lekina vaha zabda anubhava ke rUpa meM hai jabaki mUla AtmA to ni:zabda hai| ataH phira anubhava hotehote anubhava rUpI bana jaaegaa| taba khuda zuddhAtmA (mUla AtmA) ho jaaegaa|

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332 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : usa zuddhAtmA svarUpa kA anubhava kaba hogA? dAdAzrI : niraMtara ho hI rahA hai na! 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha jo dehAdhyAsa kA anubhava thA, vaha anubhava TUTa gayA hai aura aba AtmA kA anubhava huA hai| aura kauna sA anubhava? aisA jJAna anubhava, yaha jaba regyUlara sTeja meM A jAegA to phira use AnaMda AtA jaaegaa| AtmA kA anubhava kitane ghaMTe hai ? caubIsoM ghaMTe AtmA kA anubhava rahatA hai| pahale yaha anubhava thA ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aura aba yaha hai 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA anubhv| zabdAvalaMbana ke bAda mokSa eka-do janmoM meM sApekSa arthAt dUsaroM se apekSA rakhane vAlI cIjeM, ve parAvalaMbI kahalAtI haiM jabaki mujhe kisI kA AdhAra nahIM hai, maiM nirAlaMbI huuN| ye sabhI (mahAtmA) parAvalaMba meM se chUTa gae haiM lekina zabda kA avalaMbana hai inheN| unhoMne ciMtA rahita mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praveza kara liyA hai, to unakA mokSa hogA hI, eka-do janmoM baad| nirAlaMba AtmA saba se Akhira meM hai| vahA~ taka yaha gAr3I clegii| aisA to maiMne kahA hai, zabdAvalaMbana se gADI sTArTa honI caahie| zabdAvalaMbana anubhava detA hai| hama sabhI mahAtmAoM ko anubhava hai lekina kyoMki ye saMsArI haiM isIlie inheM AtmA kA svAda nahIM AtA, usakI pahacAna nahIM ho paatii| isameM kyA aMtara hai, patA nahIM calatA kyoMki eka hI bAra yadi viSaya bhoge to tIna dinoM taka iMsAna kI bhrAMti nahIM chUTane detaa| bhrAMti arthAt Disiz2ana nahIM A pAtA ki yaha hai yA vaha ! hameM aisI siradardI nahIM hai na! jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai na! duHkha meM bhI sukha rahatA hai| Apako bhI samajha meM A gayA hai ki yaha avalaMbana vAlA AtmA kahA jaaegaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha zabdAvalaMbana kahA jAegA! AtmA kI khurAka? praznakartA : ApakA yaha jo vAkya hai ki AtmA ke alAvA hara eka cIz2a khurAka para TikI hai|

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[6] nirAlaMba dAdAzrI : sabhI khurAka se jI rahe haiN| praznakartA : to kyA AtmA kI khurAka nahIM hotI? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| sabhI cIz2oM kI khurAka hai aura yaha khurAka kI khoja merI hai| yaha nirAlI khoja hai merii| abhI taka kisI ne ise khurAka nahIM kahA hai aura yaha khoja bhI nahIM kI hai ki krodha kI khurAka hotI hai| praznakartA : khurAka nahIM kahate to puSTi kheNge| dAdAzrI : yaha khoja alaga hai| yAnI ki ina saba kI khurAka hotI hai| praznakartA : maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki yauvana meM yadi yaha patA cala jAe ki yaha kAma-krodha-lobha vagairaha sabhI kI khurAka hai, use aisA patA calane lage... dAdAzrI : taba to bahuta bar3I bAta khlaaegii| praznakartA : isalie yaha prazna huA ki AtmA kI kucha to khurAka honI caahie| dAdAzrI : mUlataH usakI khurAka hai hI nhiiN| usakI khurAka yahI hai, jo hai vaha, dUsarI koI khurAka hai hI nhiiN| vaha khuda apane Apase hI jIvita rahatA hai| apane Apake prANa se hI jIvita rahatA hai| khuda khuda kA hI sukha bhogatA hai, vaibhava meM hai| aizvarya se jI rahA hai| anya kisI se kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : AtmA kI khurAka kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : AtmA kI khurAka vaha khuda niraMtara khAtA hai| usake binA eka kSaNa bhara bhI nahIM Tika sktaa| niraMtara jJAtA-dRSTA, vahI usakI khurAka hai| usa khurAka kA phala kyA hai? vaha hai, prmaanNd| vaha khuda ke hI prANa se jIvita rahatA hai| vaha yoM nAka ke prANa se jIvita nahIM rahatA!

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334 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ataH use khuda kI koI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| isa duniyA meM use kisI bhI cIz2a kA avalaMbana nahIM hai, aisA vaha AtmA, vaha paramAtmA hai| praznakartA : kyA vaha bAhara kI khurAka ke binA Tika sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : usakI khurAka hai jnyaataa-dRssttaa| use khuda ko bAhara se kucha bhI nahIM lenA hai| sabakucha usake khuda ke aMdara hai| praznakartA : kyoMki mAna-moha-lobha-mAyA, ye saba tabhI Tikate haiM jaba inheM khurAka mile| dAdAzrI : haaN| yaha to, aMdara se jaise hI icchA huI na tabhI se yaha saba khar3A ho gyaa| jise icchA nahIM hai, unameM, inameM se koI bhI cIz2a hogI hI nahIM na! icchA vAlA bhikhArI kahalAtA hai| koI bhI, ghara, gAr3I yA cAhe kisI bhI prakAra kI icchA ho, to icchA vAlA bhikhArI hai| praznakartA : ataH AtmA ko bhI khurAka denI nahIM par3atI, vaha apane Apa hI le letA hai? dAdAzrI : use kucha bhI denA hI nahIM par3atA aura use, jise koI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| yoM hI khuda apane Apase hI jIvita rahatA hai| praznakartA : bacapana se lekara 100 sAla kA hone taka AtmA kI koI khurAka nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : jise kucha bhI nahIM hotA, use kyA hai ? sone kA sikkA aMdara par3A rahe taba bhI usa para jaMga nahIM lagatA, aura koI asara nahIM hotaa| vaha aMdara usI prakAra se par3A rahatA hai| sone kA sikkA to sirpha sikkA hai lekina ye to bhagavAna haiM ! kucha bhI asara nahIM karatA aura phira ve prakAza svarUpa haiM! praznakartA : AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA bhAva rakhe, vahI usakI khurAka hai? dAdAzrI : bs|

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[6] nirAlaMba 335 praznakartA : aura niraMtara AnaMda meM rahe! dAdAzrI : AnaMda meM rahane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| usakI jo jJAtAdRSTApana kI khurAka hai na, usa khurAka kA phala hI AnaMda hai, niraMtara aanNd| ___ maiM, AtmA aura baiThaka praznakartA : yaha sarvasva arpaNatA hI hai na daadaa| kyA bAkI bacA? dAdA ke alAvA mujhe aura kucha bhI nahIM caahie| aba dAdA kA hI avalaMbana hai, anya kucha hai hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : to ApakA jo kucha bAkI hai, vaha pUrNa ho jAegA lekina ginnI kI z2arUrata to hai na? praznakartA : nahIM, vaha nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : to aba kAma ho jaaegaa| prazna rtA : rAta ko do-tIna baje uTha jAtA hU~, dAdA ko pakar3akara baiTha jAtA huuN| dAdAzrI : vaha saba hai lekina yaha jo hai na, yaha ApakA aura yaha merA, usa bheda ko khatma karane ke lie ghara para maiMne Apase kahA thA ki 'itane beTI ko de do, bAkI saba maMdira meM de do na!' Apake sira para kucha bhI nahIM, aisA kara do| Taiksa bhI nahIM bharanA hogA aapko| praznakartA : ohoho! aba harja nahIM hai, samajha gyaa| dAdAzrI : merI taraha rho| mujhe paisoM kI z2arUrata ho taba maiM kahatA hU~, 'nIrU bahana mujhe diijie'| Apako z2arUrata bhI kisalie hai ? sabakucha dene vAle loga haiM hI sAtha meN| usa dina jo kahA thA vaha isIlie kahA thA lekina Apa usa mUla Azaya ko pUrI taraha se samajha nahIM pAe na ! praznakartA : lekina samajha to gayA dAdA lekina duniyA meM merA aura koI nahIM hai| aba dekhie, yaha umra ho rahI hai...

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : hamane kahA hai vaisA karo to phira AtmA usameM rahegA / AtmA yadi AtmA meM A gayA na to mukta, varnA kahegA, 'mere pAsa yaha hai aura vaha hai aura vahI AdhAra !' AdhAra / kisakA AdhAra rakhatA hai ? jo 2-5 lAkha rupaye haiM, unakA / 336 praznakartA : nahIM aura koI bAta nahIM hai, itanA bhaya rahatA hai ki sabhI logoM ne khAyA hI hai / jahA~ bharosA rakhatA hU~, sabhI jagaha loga khA jAte haiN| aba mujhameM aisA bhaya ghusa gayA hai / umra bar3ha rahI hai, bAkI aMdara koI mamatA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : bhaya ghusa jAtA hai kyoMki 'isakA kyA karU~gA?' vaha to maiM usI dina samajha gayA thA lekina maiMne kahA dhIre se nikAlU~gA / praznakartA : bImArI AI na to Der3ha lAkha rupaye kA kharcA ho gayA thA, tabhI kharca kie varnA aura kauna dekhatA ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| hama jo aisA mAnate haiM na ki jo dekhane vAlA hai, vaha merA dekhegA, lekina aMta meM vaha bhI galata sAbita hotA hai, dagA sAbita hotA hai| ataH saba se bar3I bAta yahI hai ki de do saba bhagavAna ke ghara meN| phira sArI z2immedArI dAdA kI / maiMne apane pAsa cAra Ane bhI nahIM rakhe haiN| sabhI paise yahA~ para rakha dene haiM, sabhI kucha ! aura bhaviSya meM jo AegA vaha bhI yahIM para / hamArI 'mAtAjI' kI z2amIna ke paise Ane vAle haiM, vaha bhI yahIM para rakha dU~gA / mujhe kucha bhI nahIM cAhie / mujhe kisalie ? amarIkA vAle gAr3I denA cAhate haiN| maiM kyoM lU~? lekina yaha z2arA baiThaka kI jagaha rakhI to maiM, AtmA aura baiThaka, tIna hue| varnA maiM aura AtmA eka hI / arthAt yaha 'maiM' samarpita ho gyaa| praznakartA : 'maiM' samarpita ho gayA arthAt baiThaka nikAla dI, to 'maiM' AtmA meM A jAegA ? dAdAzrI : nIrU bahana turaMta kAma bhI karane lage haiM aura ye jo abhI merI AjJA ke anusAra sabhI niyamoM kA pAlana kara rahI haiM, vaha pUrI prakRti ko tor3a degaa| mujhe saMtoSa ho gayA !

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[6] nirAlaMba 337 praznakartA : dAdA ne kahA na, maiM AtmA aura baiThaka... dAdAzrI : 'maiM' ko baiThaka kA AdhAra hai ! isa duniyA meM sirpha jJAnI ko hI kisI cIz2a kA AdhAra nahIM rahatA / AtmA kA hI AdhAra ! jo nirAlaMba hai ! praznakartA : AtmA kA AdhAra kise rahatA hai, 'maiM' ko rahatA hai yA baiThaka ko ? dAdAzrI : maiM hI AtmA hU~ aura AtmA hI maiM hU~ / AtmA kA hI AdhAra, arthAt avalaMbana nahIM hai / yadi koI avalaMbana nahIM hai to nirAlaMba bana jAegA, nirAlaMba ! ve jAnate haiM, dAdA nirAlaMba haiM / I praznakartA : yAni maiM aura AtmA eka ho jAe~ge ? dAdAzrI : eka hI haiM lekina baiThaka kI vajaha se alaga haiN| praznakartA : baiThaka ko haTA deMge to maiM aura AtmA eka ho jAe~ge ? dAdAzrI : eka ho jaaeNge| bs| praznakartA : yA phira kyA aisA ho sakatA hai ki baiThaka ho phira bhI maiM aura AtmA eka ho jAe~ ? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM / baiThaka ke lie gurakhA rakhanA par3egA aura usake lie aisA vicAra AegA ki, 'isakA kyA kareMge ?' yaha baiThaka bhI agara sahI nikalI to nikalI, nahIM to dagA nikalatA hai| kyA Apako aisA nahIM lagatA ? praznakartA : hA~, dagA hI nikalatA hai| dAdAzrI : isakI bajAya apanA kyA burA hai ? praznakartA: baiThaka meM sirpha jJAnI ko hI rakhanA hai, aura kucha bhI nahIM / dAdAzrI : saba jJAnI para chor3a denA hai, Apa jo bhI karo vaha /

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338 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ApakA jo kareM vahI hamArA kiijie| jJAnI hI khuda kA AtmA hai isalie unheM to alaga mAna hI nahIM skte| phira bhaya nahIM rakhanA hai ki agara jJAnI bImAra ho jAe~ge yA agara ve nahIM raheMge to hama kyA kareMge? aisA koI bhaya nahIM rakhanA hai| jJAnI marate hI nahIM haiM, yaha to sirpha zarIra maratA hai| yaha hamArA avalaMbana hai hI nahIM na! hama nirAlaMba haiM ! isa deha kA yA paisoM kA z2arA sA bhI aisA koI avalaMbana nahIM hai| praznakartA : hameM to jJAnI kA, jJAna kA aura jJAnI kI deha kA eka samAna hI avalaMbana lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : deha kA avalaMbana to, deha to kala calI jaaegii| praznakartA : vaha sahana nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : vaha nIrU bahana ko sahana nahIM hogaa| 'hameM' to hogA na! Apako aisA strIpanA nikAla denA hai na! 'Apa' bahuta gaharAI meM mata utrnaa| 'inheM' yaha nikAlanA pdd'egaa| nIrU bahana se sahana nahIM hogA, vaha bAta ThIka hai lekina unakI yaha ulajhana nikala jAegI to bahuta ho jaaegaa| sUkSma dAdA, nididhyAsana ke rUpa meM praznakartA : dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha lokoM ke nAtha haiM, unake alAvA aura kyA cAhie? dAdAzrI : caudaha lokoM ke nAtha haiM lekina ve apane hAtha meM Ae~ge kaise? jaba taka yaha deha maMdira hai taba taka pakar3a meM Ae~ge usake bAda jaba yaha maMdira hI khatma ho jAegA taba? praznakartA : bhAvanA to rakhI hai! Apake alAvA aura kucha bhI nahIM caahie| dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai| aMdara calegA mere bhAI, clegaa| bhAvanA clegii| bhAvanAoM kA lAbha milegaa|

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[6] nirAlaMba praznakartA : to phira ekz2ekTa bhAvanA kyA honI cAhie? dAdAzrI : sUkSma dAdA kii| praznakartA : to phira aisA huA ki hama abhI taka dAdA ko dehadhArI ke rUpa meM hI mAnate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, ye jo dikhAI dete haiM, A~khoM se dikhAI dene vAle ko hI dAdA mAnate haiN| bAkI mUla dAdA bhagavAna alaga haiN| ye jo dikhAI dete haiM, ve dAdA alaga haiM aura phira bIca kA bhAga, sUkSma dAdA haiN| praznakartA : bIca kA bhAga hI jJAnI hai ? ve bIca vAle sUkSma dAdA, vahI jJAnIpuruSa kA pada hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jinakA hama nididhyAsana karate haiN| praznakartA : Apane jo bhAvanA kahA hai, vaha kauna sI bhAvanA honI cAhie, sUkSma dAdA kI? dAdAzrI : jaba taka nididhyAsana rahegA, taba taka kisI taraha kI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| agara isa sthUla kI upasthiti ko DhU~Dhoge to parezAnI hogii| praznakartA : aura yadi isI mUrti kA nididhyAsana rahegA to koI parezAnI nahIM AegI? dAdAzrI : pharsTa klAsa rahegA, hAi klAsa rhegaa| calatA-phiratAbolatA huA, sabakucha rhegaa| aba yaha kitane hI logoM ko rahatA hogA! amarIkA meM bhI roz2a milate haiM, kahate haiM na sabhI, 'darzana hote haiM aura hamArA dina sudhara jAtA hai'| isa taraha se jaba hama nahIM hoMge taba bhI sUkSma dAdA haz2AroM sAloM taka cleNge| praznakartA : mUrti kA nididhyAsana sUkSma dAdA mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : jo nididhyAsana hotA hai, vaha? hA~, vaha sUkSma dAdA mAne jaaeNge|

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340 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA: aura kyA kyA AtA hai usameM / dAdAzrI : calate-phirate, par3hate hue bolate hue ... praznakartA : vaha saba to ye sArI daihika kriyAe~ dikhAI detI haiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| ve sAtha meM dikhAI dete haiM itanA hI nahIM, khuda ke sAtha hI haiM aisA lagatA hai / bAteM karate hue bhI dikhAI dete haiM / vaha hamezA ke lie TikegA, yaha sthUla nahIM ttikegaa| yaha to zvAsa-ucchavAsa vAle haiN| usameM zvAsa- ucchavAsa nahIM hote / praznakartA : vANI kA nididhyAsana rahatA hai, vaha ? jJAnavANI kA ciMtavana rahatA hai, vaha ? dAdAzrI : vaha bhI nididhyAsana meM hI AegA / dAdA kA kisI bhI prakAra kA ciMtana ho, vaha nididhyAsana meM jaaegaa| ve sthUla rUpa se hAz2ira nahIM hoMge taba bhI haz2AroM sAloM taka ho sakegA I praznakartA : Apane kahA hai na, isa sthUla ke bAda sUkSma dAdA aura tIsarA kahA hai na? dAdAzrI : bhgvaan| praznakartA : unase kanekzana kisa taraha se rakhA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna kA ciMtana kisa prakAra se ho sakegA ? ve to niraMjana - nirAkAra haiM / kaSTa uThAkara kisa prakAra se ho sakegA ? praznakartA : vaha kanekzana kisa taraha se seTa kara sakate haiM ? dAdAzrI : vaha to aMdara se jaba sArA kacarA mAla nikala jAegA, usake bAda phira darzana meM aaeNge| hama nahIM kahate ki hameM dikhAI dete haiM, nirAlaMba / jinheM koI bhI avalaMbana nahIM lenA par3atA / mUla svarUpa dikhAI denA, hUbahU mUla svarUpa, jise kevalajJAna kahA gayA hai, vaha / samajha se dikhAI detA hai na, aura dUsarA jJAna se dikhAI detA hai|

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[6] nirAlaMba 341 praznakartA : nirAlaMba svarUpa, jaisA Apako dikhAI detA hai vaisA hai na! dAdAzrI : haaN| niraMtara saba se aMtima svruup| nirAlaMba! praznakartA : aisA honA cAhie na ki hameM khuda ko dikhAI de ? dAdAzrI : hA~, Apako yaha zabda kA avalaMbana diyA hai, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' zabda ke avalaMbana se zuddhAtmA ho gayA aura vaha anubhUti huI, yoM mokSa ke daravAz2e meM ghusa ge| unheM koI vApasa nahIM nikAla sktaa| agara jAna-bUjhakara koI lar3AI-jhagar3A nahIM kare to| aMdara jAkara yadi lar3AI-jhagar3A karegA to vApasa nikAla deNge| vaha ThIka se rahe to harja nahIM hai| praznakartA : isa zabda avalaMbana ke bAda sUkSma dAdA se kitanI helpa milatI hai? dAdAzrI : usa tarapha le jaaeNge| nirAlaMba meM le jaaeNge| praznakartA : yaha daihika nididhyAsana nirAlaMba meM le jAegA? dAdAzrI : unhoMne jitanA dekhA hai, vahA~ taka le jaaegaa| praznakartA : lekina isameM daihika nididhyAsana z2yAdA helpa karatA hai yA vANI kA nididhyAsana? dAdAzrI : sabhI helpa kreNge| hA~ inhoMne jahA~ taka dekhA hai, vahA~ taka le jaaegaa| praznakartA : Apako nirAlaMba dAdA bhagavAna arthAt jo mUla svarUpa dikhAI diyA, vaha svarUpa kaisA hai? dAdAzrI : yahA~ para nahIM hai, kisa AdhAra para paricaya deM? praznakartA : kyA vaha kevalajJAna svarUpa kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : lekina samajha rUpI, jJAna rUpI nahIM, ebsalyUTa, jisameM koI miksacara nahIM hai, usa svarUpa meN| ApakA to miksacara vAlA hai|

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342 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) zuddhAtmA kI botala ke sAtha, Dhakkana ke saath| AtmA botala hai| zuddha usakA Dhakkana hai| varnA ApakA to saba baha jaaegaa| jJAnI kI vANI hI hai aMtima AlaMbana praznakartA : Apane vaha jo nirAlaMba svarUpa dekhA hai na, vaha kaisA hotA hai ? usake bAre meM kucha kahie n| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, jo yaha pUcha rahA hai ki kaisA hotA hai, vahI buddhi hai lekina vaha (svarUpa) aisA hai ki buddhi se nahIM dekhA jA sktaa| praznakartA : to isa prakAra se nirAlaMba svarUpa dekhA kisane? isameM mUla svarUpa se dAdA rahe hue haiN| ise anubhava karane ke lie ve alaga rahe na? mUla svarUpa ko dekhane vAle alaga hI haiM na abhI? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJA hI hai| prajJA se, sArA kAma prajJA kA hai| Apake zuddhAtmA svarUpa ko dekhane vAlI yaha prajJA hai| prajJA use dekhatI hai| jaba taka kevalajJAna samajha meM hai, taba taka prajJA bAhara rahatI hai| jaba kevalajJAna jJAna meM rahegA, taba prajJA phiTa ho jAegI, bs| aura kyA! phira dekhane vAlA bhI kauna rahA? bAkI, jagat meM nirAlaMba zabda hai hI nhiiN| avalaMbana ke binA raheMge kisa prakAra se? nirAlaMba hone para hI sarvasva duHkha jAte haiN| avalaMbana vAle ko to pakar3a leMge ki sabhI zuddhAtmA vAloM ko pakar3a laao| praznakartA : zrImad rAjacaMdra ne eka vAkya kahA hai ki kevalajJAna hone ke samaya se pahale taka jJAnIpuruSa kI vANI avalaMbana rUpI hai aura isa vANI kA mAdhyama hI aisA sAdhana hai jo nirAlaMba banA sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha sabakucha ho sakatA hai| jo nirAlaMba ho cuke haiM unakI vANI se nirAlaMba ho sakate haiN| bhagavAna jJAnI ke vaza meM jJAnIpuruSa to isa varlDa kA Azcarya kahalAte haiN| bhagavAna ke UparI kahalAte haiN|

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[6] nirAlaMba 343 praznakartA : lekina ve bhagavAna ke UparI kisa prakAra se kahalAte haiM ? kisa artha meM? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna unake vaza meM ho cuke haiM, ataH ve bhagavAna ke UparI haiN| bhagavAna unake kahe anusAra calate haiN| praznakartA : 'bhagavAna bhakta ke adhIna haiM kyA vaha isa prakAra se? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhakta ke adhIna haiM hI nhiiN| ve to jJAnIpuruSa haiM, jinake vaza meM ve ho cuke haiM, unake adhiin| ataH jJAnI ko bhakta kahA aura likhA hai ina logoM ne| jabaki loga bhaktoM ko, ina sAdhuoM ko.. ina calate-phirate bhaktoM ko jJAnI mAna baiThe haiN| bhakta kaheMge to ye saba loga pakar3a leMge isa bAta ko| are, jholI lekara anAja DhU~Dhane jAtA hai taba bhI nahIM milatA aura bhagavAna tere adhIna ho gae bhAI? praznakartA : bhagavAna arthAt zuddhAtmA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, zuddhAtmA to bhagavAna haiM hI nahIM lekina bhagavAna kahane kA matalaba kyA hai ki caudaha lokoM ke nAtha, zuddhAtmA aura paramAtmA meM jitanA aMtara hai, utanA hI aMtara bhagavAna aura zuddhAtmA meM hai| zuddhAtmA zabda svarUpa haiN| ve bhagavAna z2arUra haiM lekina ve zabda rUpI bhagavAna haiM, jabaki ve bhagavAna to nirAlaMba bhagavAna haiN| caudaha lokoM kA nAtha, maiM kaha rahA hU~ na! unakI bAta hI alaga hai na! yadi zuddhAtmA kaheM to apane sabhI mahAtmA kaheMge, mere adhIna ho cuke haiM lekina nirAlaMba AtmA adhIna hone caahie| __ bAta ko mAtra samajho... AtmA jAnane ke lie bAta ko sirpha samajhanA hI hai, karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai| 'sAhaba kyA bAta hai ? mUlabhUta vAstavikatA, batA dIjie na mujhe|' to vaha yaha hai, 'yaha hai aura aisA hai, bol| yaha vinAzI hai aura isa vinAzI ke sabhI riztedAra bhI vinaashii| vinAzI kI z2arUrateM mAtra vinAzI aura jise z2arUrata nahIM hai, jo nirAlaMba hai vaha maiM hU~', aisA kho|

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344 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) aba AtmA ko samajha lenA eka baar| jise kabhI bhI duHkha sparza hI nahIM karatA, vaha 'tU' hai| isa duniyA kI koI bhI sthiti aisI nahIM hai ki jisameM tujhe duHkha sparza kara ske| bhale hI phA~sI kI sajA ho jAe phira bhI tujha para asara nahIM hogA, 'tU' vaha hai aura agara usa 'tU' taka pahu~ca gayA to phira kucha bhI karanA bAkI nahIM rahegA! usa 'prakaTa' ko maiMne dekhA haiM aura use maiM ApameM dekha sakatA huuN| Apako dikhAe bhI haiM lekina Apako jitanA ApakI bhASA meM haiM utanA hI samajha meM aaegaa| zabda se Apa dekha sakate ho lekina mUla svarUpa ko nahIM dekha sakate, nirAlaMba svarUpa ko nahIM dekha skte| abhI yaha 'zuddhAtmA' ApakA mUla svarUpa isa zabda se hai| hamane nirAlaMba svarUpa ko pakar3A huA hai yAnI ki jagat kI koI cIz2a hameM sparza nahIM karatI, bAdhaka nahIM hai| arthAt hama usa sthiti meM baiThe haiM, niraalNb| vaha sthiti arthAt hameM to kisI bhI jagaha para matabheda nahIM rahatA, kucha bhI nahIM rahatA na kyoMki koI avalaMbana sparza hI nahIM karatA na! hamArI dazA hai, nirAlaMba!! arthAt hama samajha sakate haiM ki hama yadi abhI isa dazA meM bhI nirAlaMba raha sakate haiM to vItarAga kitane nirAlaMba rahate hoMge? praznakartA : Apa to nirAlaMbI haiN| dAdAzrI : nirAlaMbI to aMdara vAlA AtmA hai lekina mujhe inakA (mUla bhagavAna kA) sahArA to hai na jabaki mUla AtmA nirAlaMbI hai| hama nirAlaMbI hue haiM isalie bhagavAna hamAre vaza meM ho gae haiM, varnA vaza meM ho hI nahIM pAte na! jaba taka kisI bhI cIz2a kA avalaMbana hai taba taka bhagavAna vaza nahIM ho skte| sabhI meM 'maiM' ko hI dekhe, vaha spIDIlI 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha AtmA hai to sahI lekina vaha to praveza dvAra khlaaegaa| abhI to praveza kiyA hai mokSamArga meN| mukti

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[6] nirAlaMba ke mArga meM praveza ho gyaa| aba ApakA praveza taba pUrNa hogA jaba nirAlaMba AtmA mila jAegA / 345 praznakartA : aba zuddhAtmA ho jAne ke bAda meM phira aura kisI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ina sabhI avalaMbanoM ko chur3avAkara zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana diyA hai| isa avalaMbana meM sabhI kucha A gayA aura ve sAre avalaMbana chUTa ge| phira yaha jo avalaMbana bacA hai, vaha apane Apa hI chUTa jaaegaa| yaha zuddhAtmA zabdAvalaMbana hai / vaha zabda bhI apane Apa hI chUTa jAegA aura nirAlaMba ho jaaoge| praznakartA : to phira Apane jaba isa avalaMbana ko saba se acchA aura zreSTha kahA hai to phira mAna lIjie ki agara dUsarI saba kriyAe~ nahIM ho pAe~ to koI harja hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| agara kucha nahIM ho pAe to usameM bhI harja nahIM hai aura yadi ho jAe~ to unameM tanmayAkAra hokara khiMca nahIM jAnA hai, aMdara dekhate rahanA hai| kitane hI avalaMbanoM ko chor3ate-chor3ate Age bar3hegA taba nirAlaMba AtmA utpanna (prApta) hogA, jise kevala AtmA kahA jAtA hai / phira vahA~ para bAta kI pUrNAhuti ho jAtI hai / kitane sTezana guz2ara jAne ke bAda phira nirAlaMba kA aMtima sTezana AtA hai aura ApakA vaha A hI jaaegaa| jaldabAz2I karane kI koI z2arUrata nahIM hai, aura agara jaldabAz2I karanI ho to sabhI meM 'maiM'-'maiM' dekhate hue calate jAnA na / sabhI meM 'maiM hU~, maiM hU~, maiM hU~' vANI meM, mana meM, citta meN| parAvalaMbana - AlaMbana - nirAlaMbana praznakartA : avalaMbana kI to z2arUrata nahIM hai lekina aisI sTeja AegI kisa taraha se ? dAdAzrI : agara Apako vaha sTeja cAhie to AegI, nirAlaMba

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346 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) sttej| avalaMbana hI parataMtratA hai| 've haiM to hama haiM, hameM unhIM ke AdhAra para jInA hai', ise avalaMbana kahate haiN| avalaMbana nahIM honA cAhie, aura agara hai to bhI kucha samaya ke lie hI honA caahie| koI hama se kahe ki bhAI, itane samaya meM yaha khatma ho jaaegaa| yaha avalaMbana, vaha kaba taka? ki abhI agara yahA~ se sTezana taka jAnA ho to utanA hI rAstA calanA pdd'egaa| ataH hama caleMge, harja nahIM hai, to Apake lie yaha zuddhAtmA AlaMbana hai to aba nirAlaMba honA hai| bAkI, jaba taka saMpUrNa nirAlaMba nahIM ho jAte taba taka kRSNa bhagavAna kA mArga nahIM samajhe haiM, mahAvIra kA mArga nahIM jAnA hai| kahA~ vaha vItarAgoM kA vijJAna aura kahA~ jIvana kI ye sArI kalAe~! ina logoM ke jIvana avalaMbita nahIM haiM, parAvalaMbI haiN| avalaMbana vAlA jIvana to acchA kahA jAegA, yaha to parAvalaMbI jIvana hai| Apane dekhA hai kabhI aisA parAvalaMbI jIvana? praznakartA : duniyA meM bAhara sArA parAvalaMbI jIvana hI hai| auroM ke AdhAra para jIvana bitAte haiN| dAdAzrI : lekina kyA Apane dekhA hai kabhI? praznakartA : Apake pAsa Ane se pahale usI jIvana meM the| dAdAzrI : to kyA bahuta maz2A AtA thA? praznakartA : bharapUra ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna rahatA thaa| dAdAzrI : jaba ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda ho jAe~ge taba kahA jAegA ki usakA parAvalaMbana chUTa gyaa| parAvalaMbana ke bAda aba samyak avalaMbana hai| samyak, jo ki kucha samaya bAda khuda apane Apa hI khatma ho jAegA aura nirAlaMba ho jaaoge| jIvana avalaMbana rahita honA cAhie, nirAlaMba jIvana / ye to kaheMge, bistara hotA hai tabhI nIMda AtI hai, havA hotI hai tabhI nIMda AtI hai, aisA koI avalaMbana nahIM honA cAhie, 'nIMda ko AnA ho to Ae, nahIM to

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[6] nirAlaMba kahIM merI jAgRti calI nahIM gaI hai'| yadi yaha jAgRti calI jAegI to usake binA ThIka nahIM lagegA lekina vaha jAgRti hai na! to nIMda se kahanA, 'tujhe nahIM AnA ho to mata AnA' / nirAlaMba, vaha to aMtima bAta hai, usase Age koI bAta nahIM hai / AlaMbana se parataMtra ho gayA hai ataH nirAlaMba arthAt svataMtra honA hai| bhagavAna bhI UparI nahIM / hama kisI avalaMbana ke AdhAra para jIte haiM isalie bhagavAna UparI haiM aura isa jJAna ke bAda Apa nirAlaMba ho gae ho| bhagavAna nirAlaMba ! eka hI jAti ke ho gae, jAti eka ho gii| pahale jAti alaga thii| deha ke AlaMbana 347 nirAlaMba arthAt jahA~ saba prakAra kI svaMtratA ho, nirAlaMbapanA ho, vahA~ para kisakA AlaMbana rahegA ! aura zarIra kA svabhAva to kyA hai ki naMge paira calane lage to, usake paira ke taliye aise ho jAte haiM ki garmI meM bhI naMge paira cala ske| dhUpa meM ghUme to baoNDI dhUpa jaisI ho jAtI hai aura paMkhe ke nIce rahe taba vaisI ho jAtI hai / ata: jaisA Apa karoge vaisI hI ho jaaegii| phira yadi paMkhA nahIM hogA to Apa zora macAkara rakha doge / hAya, paMkhA nahIM hai, paMkhA nahIM hai... hama bilkula nirAlaMba haiM / jinheM zabda kA bhI avalaMbana nahIM hai / yaha jo zuddhAtmA zabda hai, usakA bhI jinheM avalaMbana nahIM hai, vaha nirAlaMba sthiti hai| isake bAvajUda sabhI ke bIca rahatA hU~, khAtA hU~, pItA hU~, ghUmatA hU~, phiratA hU~ sabhI kucha hai phira bhI nirAlaMba ho sakatA hai iNsaan| vaha abhI hI ho sakatA hai| yaha akrama vijJAna aisA hai ki nirAlaMba ho sakatA hai| ataH jisa-jisa kI bhAvanA hai, vaha ho sakatA hai I saMjJA se mUla AtmA ko pahu~catA hai.... praznakartA : kaI bAra jaba saMgrAma hotA hai taba 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA kahane ke bAvajUda bhI ulajhana rahatI thI phira bhI svataMtratA nahIM AtI thI aura kamaz2ora par3a jAtA thA / dAdAzrI : kaise AegI ? vaha zabdAvalaMbana hai na !

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348 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : haaN| isalie phira usa saMgrAma ke samaya 'dAdA' ko sAkSI rakhate haiM, 'dAdA' kA avalaMbana Ane ke bAda zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana Ae to ThIka rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : 'dAdA' kA avalaMbana le na, to vaha jo nirAlaMba dazA hai, vaha hameM nirAlaMba banAtI hai isalie hama kahate haiM na ki dAdA kA avalaMbana lo| 'zuddhAtmA' nirAlaMba nahIM hai, vaha to Apake lie helpaphula hai| ata: aura kucha nahIM Ae aura sirpha 'dAdA' kA nididhyAsana kiyA jAe na to usameM sabakucha A jaaegaa| bAkI to, abhI iMsAna kitanA kare ! praznakartA : lekina dAdA, isa saMgrAma meM hamArI hAra hotI rahatI hai aura hama pIche raha jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : Apa hAra mAna sakate haiM lekina hama to aisA nahIM kara skte| hamArA to aisA hai na, 'isa saMgrAma meM cAhe kaisA bhI pudgala ho, phira bhI vaha nyUTrala haiM aura yaha cetana hai'| maiMne Apako zuddhAtmA kahA hai na, vaha bhI mUla AtmA nahIM hai| yaha to ApakI saMjJA hai| Apa jaba bhI vaha bolate ho taba vahA~ ciThThI pahu~ca jAtI hai| z2arA sA hI dUra hai rAjamahala lekina Apako aMdara sAvadhAna karatA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : sAvadhAna karatA hai| dAdAzrI : vahI AtmA hai! aba dUsarA aura kauna sA AtmA? bAkI, Apako koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| pahale sAvadhAna karatA thA kyA? haM... to vaha AtmA hai| abhI agara merI paise kamAne kI bAta Ae na to bhI aMdara sAvadhAna karatA hai ki bhAI... aura pahale sAvadhAna nahIM karatA thA paise kamAne kI bAta meN| ataH AtmA hAz2ira hai, pUre dina hAz2ira hai| praznakartA : mUla AtmA to kucha aura hI hai jo ki zabdoM se pare hai

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[6] nirAlaMba 349 dAdAzrI : hA~, zabdoM se pare hai vaha to lekina isa sTezana para Ane ke bAda jA skeNge| ApakI gAr3I to Age baMda ho jAtI hai| Apako thor3A bahuta calakara jAnA hai| z2arA sA hI! Apa samajhate ho ki 'aba yahA~ para calanA nahIM hai, lekina aisA nahIM hai| pAva-AdhA ghaMTA calanA pdd'egaa| vaha Trena yahIM taka jAtI hai| aMtima sTezana hai yaha shuddhaatmaa| usake bAda binA sTezana vAlA rAjamahala! hamezA kA, paramAnenTa eddres| eDresa, aura vaha bhI prmaanentt| praznakartA : isa dUSamakAla kI vajaha se thor3A calanA bAkI hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| z2arA sA hI calanA bAkI rahA hai, kAla kA prabhAva hai na! lekina yaha avalaMbana vAlA zuddhAtmA hai| zabda kA avalaMbana hai| jabaki hama jisa sTezana para khar3e haiM vaha, jisa aMtima sTezana para mahAvIra bhagavAna khar3e the, vaha hai| yaha nirAlaMba sTezana hai| zabda-vabda kucha bhI nhiiN| taba vaha jo jJAna hai, vaha vahA~ para saba tarapha tarapha chA jaaegaa| Ama ke (jJeya ke) cAroM tarapha chA jAegA! praznakartA : mujhe aisA hotA hai ki yaha zuddhAtmA jo zabda se hai, jise hama lakSa meM rakhate haiM, yadi usa zuddhAtmA kI zakti itanI adhika hai to phira usakA anubhava hone meM dera kyoM lagatI hai? dAdAzrI : usameM to bahuta TAima lagatA hai| usake kaI kAraNa haiM, pratispaMdana par3e hue haiM, jaba ve sAre pratispaMdana zAMta ho jAe~ge, taba hogaa| anaMta janmoM ke pratispaMdana par3e hue haiN| isalie bahuta jaldabAz2I karane jaisA nahIM hai| apanI jo AjJAe~ haiM na, utanA hI raha pAegA, bAkI bahuta gaharAI meM utarane jaisA nahIM hai| apane Apa hI sTezana Akara rhegaa| hama gAr3I meM baiTha gae haiM na to hameM gAr3I chor3anI nahIM hai phira apane Apa hI sTezana Akara rhegaa| ye AjJAe~ haiM hI aisI, to nirAlaMba kI tarapha jAnA jArI hI hai aura kabhI na kabhI vaha A jaaegaa| yaha zabda kA avalaMbana hai lekina bhagavAna bhI aisA svIkAra karate haiM ki jaba se isa avalaMbana taka pahu~cA, tabhI se mokSa meM pahu~ca gyaa|

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350 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) eka bAra iMsAna kA mokSa ho gayA phira to mAno vaha bhagavAna hI bana gyaa| svataMtra ho gyaa| phira nirAlaMba hai, kisI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nhiiN| maiM bahuta samaya se nirAlaMba sthiti bhoga rahA huuN| mokSa aisA nahIM hotaa| vahA~ koI uThAne vAlA nahIM hai| vahA~ para apanA koI UparI nahIM hai aura anDarahainDa nahIM hai, basa... aura nirAlaMba, jahA~ kisI bhI prakAra kA avalaMbana nhiiN| yaha jo avalaMbana hai, vahI baMdhana hai| jabaki nirAlaMba, isa zarIra ke hone ke bAvajUda bhI hama nirAlaMba sthiti ko dekha sakate haiM aura anubhava kara sakate haiM aura baMdhana vAlI sthiti ko bhI anubhava kara sakate haiN| donoM hI sthitiyoM ko anubhava kara sakate haiN| aMtima bAta hai, nirAlaMba! tabhI mokSa kahA jaaegaa| bhagavAna mahAvIra pUrNa nirAlaMba bhagavAna mahAvIra nirAlaMba ho cuke the| bArahaveM guNasthAnaka para aura dUsare zukladhyAna (spaSTa vedana) meM nirAlaMba ho jAte haiN| taba taka avalaMbana, avalaMbana aura sirpha avalaMbana hai| bArahaveM guNasthAnaka meM pahalA zukladhyAna (aspaSTa vedana) bhI avalaMbana vAlA hotA hai| ataH avalaMbana to aMta taka (spaSTa vedana hone taka) hai| nirAlaMba jJAna kaisA hotA hai ? ki koI cIz2a use sparza hI nahIM krtii| taba taka Apako zabda kA AdhAra rahA hai| praznakartA : zabda kA AdhAra chor3ane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : abhI nahIM chor3anA hai| zabdoM kA AdhAra kaba chUTegA? jaise-jaise ye phAileM khatma hotI jAe~gI na, vaise-vaise apane Apa hI zabda chUTatA jaaegaa| jaba taka ye phAileM haiM, taba taka usakI z2arUrata hai| nikAla to karanA par3egA na? kitanI sArI phAileM lekara Ae haiM ! una sabhI phAiloM kA nikAla kara denA par3egA na! nikAla ho jAne ke bAda meM una phAiloM ke vApasa Ane kA koI kAraNa nahIM rhegaa| Apase saba phAiloM kA nikAla ho pAtA haiM?

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[6] nirAlaMba 351 praznakartA : hotA hai na, kabhI phAsTa aura kabhI dhIre-dhIre bhI hotA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina usakA to sArA nikAla ho jaaegaa| samajha meM, jo dRSTi bhautika meM thI, vaha dRSTi AtmA meM par3I to kAma hone lagA, apane Apa hI kAma hotA rhegaa| aMtara, zuddhAtmA aura paramAtmA meM praznakartA : aba, jJAnI ko sadeha paramAtmA kahate haiM, to zuddhAtmA aura paramAtmA kI Dephinezana meM kyA aMtara hai? zuddhAtmA aura paramAtmA meM kitanA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : paramAtmA nirAlaMba haiM jabaki zuddhAtmA zabda kA avalaMbana praznakartA : to phira sIdhA 'paramAtmA' kA hI avalaMbana na leM? dAdAzrI : khuda paramAtmA hI hai lekina abhI 'zuddhAtmA' ke avalaMbana se jI rahA hai| zabda ke avalaMbana se use aisA bhAna huA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| praznakartA : to hama jo bolate haiM ki 'maiM dAdA bhagavAna jaisA zuddhAtmA hU~', usakI bajAya 'maiM dAdA bhagavAna jaisA paramAtmA hU~', aisA kyoM nahIM bola sakate? dAdAzrI : aisA bolane se kyA kucha badala jAegA? praznakartA : to kyA 'zuddhAtmA' bolane se kucha badalegA? dAdAzrI : hA~ badalegA n| maiM dAdA bhagavAna jaisA zuddhAtmA praznakartA : to phira paramAtmA kahane se kyoM kucha nahIM hogA? dAdAzrI : lekina binA samajhe usase kyA ho sakatA hai ? maiMne jo

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352 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) zuddhAtmA diyA hai, vaha ThIka hai, ekjekTa hai lekina usake Age to Apako khuda hI puruSArtha se jAnA pdd'egaa| ye sabhI avalaMbana TUTa gae, sabhI riztedAra, bAkI ke sabhI, deha ke avalaMbana chUTa gae, taba isa zabda (zuddhAtmA) kA avalaMbana rhaa| praznakartA : to phira 'maiM dAdA bhagavAna jaisA zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA bolanA ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hI bolanA caahie| praznakartA : to 'mahAvIra bhagavAna jaisA zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA kyoM? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaisA bhI bola sakate haiM kyoMki unake zuddhAtmA jaisA hI maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| kucha gaNita hai isa tarapha kA, sabhI kA gaNita hai, isa bAre meM sArA milatA-julatA huA AtA hai ? praznakartA : lekina mahAvIra bhagavAna to kevalajJAnI ho cuke haiM, to hama unheM zuddhAtmA kyoM kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to hama aisA kahate haiM ki 'hama mahAvIra bhagavAna jaise zuddhAtmA haiN'| bhagavAna jaise shuddhaatmaa| jaisA unakA zuddhAtmA thA, vaise hI zuddhAtmA hama bhI haiN| praznakartA : lekina ve to kevalajJAnI ho cuke haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina ve bhI zuddhAtmA hI haiN| ve khuda ko zuddhAtmA nahIM mAnate the| ve to nirAlaMba svarUpa ko hI khuda kA svarUpa mAnate the lekina yoM kahane jAe~ taba zuddhAtmA hI kahA jaaegaa| caudahaveM guNasthAnaka meM nirapekSa nirAlaMba to sirpha hama akele hI haiN| hama kisI se kahate nahIM haiM ki Apa vahA~ taka aao| isa jiMdagI meM koI nahIM A sakegA, ataH

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[6] nirAlaMba 353 itanA kara le| nirapekSa, ApakA khuda kA avalaMbana 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' hai, vahA~ taka AnA hai| praznakartA : nirapekSa arthAt apekSA rahita? dAdAzrI : kisI prakAra kI apekSA nhiiN| praznakartA : dAdA, ye nirvicAra, nirvikalpa, nirAkula ina sabhI zabdoM kA isase kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : nirAlaMba una sabhI se alaga hai| nirAlaMba kA matalaba to aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki, zabda nahIM haiM vahA~ pr| praznakartA : yaha jo sApekSatA kahA gayA hai, vaha kahA~ taka hai? arthAt jIva pragati karegA to, vaha kramapUrvaka Age bar3hegA, to sApekSa kahA~ taka hai? dAdAzrI : jaba taka caudahaveM guNasthAnaka meM nirapekSa na ho jAe, taba tk| jaba taka sApekSa hai taba taka deha hai| hA~, aura caudahaveM gaNasthAnaka kA matalaba kyA hai? deha sahita nirpekss| paira gAr3I meM haiM, gAr3I meM khar3e haiN| bistara bAhara hai plaiTaphaoNrma para lekina hama gAr3I meM haiN| gAr3I ravAnA ho jAe aura bistara raha jAe~ to bhI harja nahIM hai| ataH caudahaveM guNasthAnaka meM vaha nirapekSa ho jAtA hai, taba taka sApekSa kA AdhAra hai| hA~, phira bhI bAhara ke logoM ko vaha sApekSa lagatA hai| mujhe sApekSa nahIM lagatA kyoMki Apako maiM sApekSa lagatA hU~ aura maiM nirAlaMba raha sakatA huuN| jise kisI bhI prakAra kA avalaMbana nahIM hai, vaha nirapekSa kahalAtA hai| no rileTiva! zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana kise? praznakartA : zuddhAtmA kA avalaMbana kise hai ? AtmA to nirAlaMba dAdAzrI : prajJA ko hai| nirAlaMba honA, vahI hai kevalajJAna hote

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354 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jaanaa| eka tarapha nirAvaraNa aura dUsarI tarapha nirAlaMba donoM sAtha meM hotA jAtA hai| avalaMbana vAlA AtmA milA, vaha bahuta bar3I bAta hai kyoMki AtmA kyA hai aura kyA nahIM, vaha saba chUTa gyaa| samyaktva mohanIya chUTa gayA arthAt kSAyaka samakita ho gayA ataH sarvasva prakAra se moha chUTa gyaa| aba bacA caaritrmoh| nirAlaMba AtmA ko jAne binA cAritramoha nahIM jaaegaa| zuddhAtmA meM A gayA arthAt use aisA kahA jAegA ki mokSa ke daravAz2e meM A gayA aura aba jarA-jarA sA vaha nirAlaMba AtmA prApta huA hai, vaha cAritra utpanna huA hai| praznakartA : eka-do janmoM meM ho jAe~ge na nirAlaMba? dAdAzrI : ho jAoge na! nirAlaMba kI prApti ke lie z2arUrata hai ina saba kI abhI maiM nirAlaMba sthiti meM hU~ isake bAvajUda avalaMbana bhI haiM aura nirAlaMba bhI hai| nirAlaMba sthiti ko maiM anubhava kara sakatA huuN| praznakartA : Apane kahA ki 'mere avalaMbana bhI haiM aura maiM nirAlaMba bhI huuN'| to Apako kisa cIz2a kA avalaMbana hai ? dAdAzrI : Apa sabhI kaa| praznakartA : deha kA bhI avalaMbana hai na dAdA? dAdAzrI : deha kA to khAsa avalaMbana nahIM hai| jitanA ApakA avalaMbana hai utanA isa deha kA nahIM hai kyoMki merA dhyeya yaha hai ki merA jo yaha sukha hai vaha ina logoM ko kaise prApta ho aura kisa prakAra se jaldI prakaTa ho jaae| deha kA to koI avalaMbana nahIM hai, deha to par3osI kI taraha, pharsTa nebarara kI taraha hai| usakA TAiTala maiMne phAr3a diyA hai yAnI ki maiM mana kA mAlika nahIM hU~, isa deha kA mAlika nahIM hU~ aura vANI kA bhI maiM mAlika nahIM huuN|

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[6] nirAlaMba sirpha 'kevala' jJAtA-dRSTA - paramAnaMda, vahI parama jyoti hai / 'kevala ! ' milAvaTa vAlA nhiiN| zuddha ! vaha parama jyoti hai aura vaha jyoti hamane dekha lI hai aura nirAlaMba ho cuke haiN| isake bAvajUda bhI AlaMbana meM rahate haiN| varnA aMtima bAta, TheTha taka kI bAta prakaTa nahIM hotI / TheTha taka kI yaha bAta Aja prakaTa huI hai / I 355 praznakartA : 'nirAlaMba rahate haiM phira bhI AlaMbana meM haiM', ise z2arA z2yAdA samajhAie n| dAdAzrI : lenA hI par3egA na avalaMbana / aisA hai na ki hama apane svabhAva ko lekara nirAlaMba meM rahate haiM aura isa vizeSabhAva meM arthAt deha bhAva meM avalaMbana hai / vaha (deha bhAva vAlA) avalaMbana vAlA rauba mAratA hai to usa samaya 'hama' nirAlaMba ho jAte haiM, basa / jaba taka rauba nahIM mAratA taba taka avalaMbana meM rahate haiM / vaha rauba mAre taba hama nirAlaMba ho jAte haiN| usase kyA kahate haiM ki 'basa, bahuta ho gyaa| Ai DonTa vaoNnTa' / rauba mArane kA matalaba samajha gae ? praznakartA : hA~ samajha gayA / dAdAzrI : basa, itane taka hI aisA karate haiM / praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo 'Ai DonTa vaoNnTa', vaha bahuta mahatvapUrNa cIz2a hai lekina usameM se aisA hotA hai, 'dena vaoNTa DU yU vaoNnTa ?' dAdAzrI : 'vaoNnTa' nahIM karatA hai na yh| vaha to use samajhAne ke lie yaha vAkya bolanA par3atA hai / vaha samajhatA hai ki mere bagaira calegA yA nahIM? lekina maiM nirAlaMba hU~ to phira nahIM calegA kyA? yaha to agara tU kahe ki mujhe sahArA dIjie, to maiM hAtha lagAkara sahArA dU~gA / agara khisaka jAegA to sahArA milegA ? tU praznakartA : nirAlaMba hone kA prayatna karate haiM lekina phira bhI kaI bAra ho nahIM paate| dAdAzrI : nahIM ho skte| abhI to, vaha kahIM aisI sthiti nahIM

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356 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) hai ki turaMta prApta ho jaae| yaha to hama batAne ke lie kahate haiM ki aise ho sakate haiN| yaha aisI sthiti hai| yaha to mere kitane-kitane janmoM kA ikaTThA kiyA huA phala hai| yaha vijJAna aisA hai ki aisA honA saMbhava hai| khuda nizcaya karake isake pIche par3a jAe, to aisA honA saMbhava hai| pahale sthala meM nirAlaMba ho jAegA usake bAda sakSma meM nirAlaMba ho jaaegaa| phira sUkSmatara aura suukssmtm| nirAlaMba kA matalaba kyA hai ? 'zuddhAtmA hU~', zabda ke isa avalaMbana kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jisane mUla rUpa dekhA ho, kyA usake lie avalaMbana ho sakatA hai ? praznakartA : isakA matalaba tIna cIjeM huIM na daadaa| sUkSma, sUkSmatara aura suukssmtm| vahI pUrI vstu| dAdAzrI : aisA kaba ho sakatA hai? jo A par3e vahI khAe, jo mila gae vahI kapar3e pahane, jo mila gayA hai usI saba kA upayoga kare taba vaha kAma hotA hai| bistara bhI jo mila jAe vhii| hamAre hisse meM Aja rikSA A gaI to rikSA meM A gae ArAma se| hameM aisA nahIM hai ki yahI caahie| kyA A par3A, use dekhanA hai| rikSA nahIM hotI to dhIre-dhIre calakara A jAte, nahIM to kursI meM baiThakara A jAte lekina A jaate| phira bhI kabhI satsaMga baMda nahIM rkhte| agara keDIleka (gAr3I) na ho, taba kyA keDIleka bar3I hai yA satsaMga? aMta meM satsaMga bhI AlaMbana phira bhI hama se to aba yaha satsaMga bhI nahIM ho paataa| satsaMga bhI hameM bojha lagatA hai| praznakartA : lekina hameM to isa satsaMga se preraNA milatI hai na! dAdAzrI : hA~, Apake lie satsaMga kI z2arUrata hai lekina mere lie yaha satsaMga bojha vAlA hai ! yaha satsaMga karate haiM lekina Apako yaha dhyeya rakhanA hai ki hameM aise satsaMga taka pahu~canA hai jahA~ hama khuda apane Apake sAtha hI satsaMga meM raha skeN| anya kisI kI z2arUrata na pdd'e| usake

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[6] nirAlaMba alAvA bAkI kA saba to avalaMbita hai / kisI dUsare kI z2arUrata par3I to vaha avalaMbita hai aura isIlie parataMtra hai, aura parataMtra ho gae to hameM pUrA sukha nahIM rahegA ! sukha nirAlaMba honA cAhie ! kisI avalaMbana kI z2arUrata na rhe| 357 aMtara, AdhAra aura AlaMbana meM praznakartA : AdhAra aura AlaMbana ke bAre meM aura adhika samajhanA hai| deha adhyAtma vidyA kA AdhAra hai / tabhI mokSa ho sakatA hai lekina AtmA ko deha kA avalaMbana hai yA nahIM ? dAdAzrI : ajJAna dazA meM AtmA ko (vyavahAra AtmA ko ) deha kA AdhAra kahA gayA hai na! yadi deha hai to baMdhana hai / baMdhana hai isalie mokSa DhU~Dha nikAlatA hai| avalaMbana alaga cIz2a hai aura AdhAra ko nirAdhAra karanA, ye donoM cIjeM alaga haiM / AdhAra, nirAdhAra ho sakatA hai lekina avalaMbana se nirAlaMba hone meM z2arA dera lagatI hai / praznakartA : avalaMbana aura AdhAra kA matalaba kyA hai ? vaha Apa kise kahate haiM? pahale yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : haM! vaha bAta karate haiM hama | AdhAra meM loDa lagatA hai| avalaMbana meM to loDa nahIM lagatA aura avalaMbana ho tabhI vaha regyUlara raha sakatA hai| avalaMbana kI vajaha se regyUlara raha sakatA hai| use bhI agara hameM dezI bhASA meM kahanA ho to avalaMbana arthAt olaMbo (bhUlaMba, saahul)| hameM jaba dIvAra banAnI hotI hai to olaMbo rakhane se hI sIdhI banatI hai aura AdhAra to veTa hai, loDa vAlA hotA hai / AdhAra alaga cIz2a hai aura avalaMbana, vaha alaga cIz2a hai / avalaMbana arthAt olNbo| olaMbo meM eka hI cIz2a hai| sirpha zuddhAtmA hI olaMbo hai| anya koI avalaMbana hai hI nhiiN| apanI bhASA meM agara dUsarA koI avalaMbana kaheM to use hU~pha (sahArA) kahate haiN| agara kArIgara se kaheM ki 'tUne yaha dIvAra Ter3hI kyoM banA dI ? ' taba kahegA 'sAhaba AlaMbana nahIM thA' / to phira use AlaMbana bolanA nahIM

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358 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) AtA isalie vaha kyA kahatA hai, 'olaMbo nahIM thA saahb'| 'are bhAI, olaMbo kA matalaba hI AlaMbana hai!' taba vaha kahatA hai ki hameM bolanA nahIM AtA isalie olaMbo kahate haiN| olaMbo hai phira bhI Ter3hA ho gyaa| yaha dIvAra usase alaga banI hai| samajhe ! agara usa olaMbo vAle se hama kaheM ki Apa avalaMbana lekara aao| taba kahegA, 'nahIM avalaMbana kI hameM z2arUrata nahIM haiN| hameM to olaMbo kI z2arUrata haiN| bhASA hI vaha ho gaI hai na, olaMbo vaalii| isI prakAra AlaMbana se pIDita haiM ye log| dekho mastI se jIte haiM na! aura phira rote haiM, kuTate haiM, ha~sate-karate haiM, rAga-dveSa karate haiM lekina mUlataH khuda sanAtana hai isalie usakA khuda kA 'maiM 'pana z2arA sA bhI jAtA nahIM hai| bUr3hA ho jAe, taba bhI kahatA hai 'maiM huuN'| are bhAI bUr3hA ho gayA phira bhI? zarIra bUr3hA ho gayA hai, maiM to hU~ hI n| phira bhI jadApana ko nahIM samajhate vahI Azcarya hai na! yaha bahuta hI sAra nikAlane jaisA hai, samajhane jaisA hai| sirpha zuddhAtmA hI avalaMbana hai, vaha zabda! sirpha vaha zabda hI olaMbo hai aura isa olaMbe se AtmA ekyureTa raha sakatA hai aura bAda meM isa olaMbe kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM rhegii| nirAlaMba sthiti rhegii| ataH yaha avalaMbana arthAt agara ise pyora gujarAtI bhASA meM kahanA ho to olaMbo kaheMge to calegA, taba samajha meM AegA varnA samajha meM nahIM AegA aura AdhAra-AdhArI ye donoM cIjeM loDa vAlI haiN| Apa karma ko AdhAra dete ho ki 'yaha maiMne kiyaa'| isa taraha Apa AdhAra dete ho isalie vaha giratA nahIM hai aura agara 'maiMne nahIM kiyA', kahA to vaha AdhAra gira jAegA, taba phira nirAdhAra hokara gira pdd'egaa| karma kaba gireMge? nirAdhAra ho jAe~ge, tb| AdhAra nahIM deMge taba phira bhI AdhAra dete haiM ? pUrI duniyA AdhAra detI hI hai| 'hA~-hA~! maiMne hI kiyaa'| hama kahate haiM, 'Apane to sirpha z2arA sA hAtha hI lagAyA hai'| 'phira bhI yaha maiMne hI kiyA hai', aisA kahatA hai| kartApana chUTa jAe taba jAnanA ki aba saba baMdhana TUTa ge| praznakartA : AtmA kA AdhAra nahIM hai lekina zarIra AtmA kA avalaMbana hai yA nahIM?

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[6] nirAlaMba dAdAzrI : avalaMbana nahIM hai| AtmA kA koI AdhAra - AdhArI saMbaMdha nahIM hai| AtmA riyala hai, avinAzI hai / deha rileTiva hai vinAzI hai| sArA rileTiva AdhAra - AdhArI saMbaMdha vAlA hai / Apa khuda karma ko AdhAra dete ho ki 'maiMne kiyA', isalie karma khar3e rahate haiN| karma ke AdhAra para prakRti hai, isa prakAra usakA eka-eka AdhAra pakar3a meM AtA jAtA hai| to aMta meM vaha deha taka AtA hai / ise isakA AdhAra, ise isakA AdhAra, ise iskaa| 359 I jaba Apa zuddhAtmA ho to vaha bheda jJAna ke avalaMbana se ho / bheda jJAna kisake avalaMbana se hai ? vaha jJAnIpuruSa ke avalaMbana se hai| arthAt ina sabhI avalaMbanoM meM se hote hue AtA hai| lekina isase loDa nahIM par3atA jabaki AdhAra - AdhArI meM loDa hai| yaha zuddhAtmA jo hai, usakA svabhAva AdhAra-AdhArI bhAva vAlA hai hI nahIM / yadi AdhArI bhAva hotA to nirAdhArapanA lAtA / ataH isa deha para avalaMbita nahIM hai / Apako avalaMbana rahA hai ki maiM zuddhAtmA bolatA huuN| 'to kyA vAstava meM bhagavAna mila gae ?' taba kahatA hai, 'nahIM, avalaMbana milA hai'| zuddhAtmA zabda kA avalaMbana hai / bAda meM jahA~ isa zabda kA avalaMbana chUTa jAegA, vahA~ paramAtmA haiN| vaha nirAlaMba dazA hai ! AdhAra - AdhArI kI samajha isa duniyA meM loga do cIz2oM ke AdhAra para jIvita haiN| kauna-kauna se AdhAra ? to vaha hai svarUpa kA AdhAra / Apa sabhI svarUpa ke AdhAra para jIte ho aura bAkI saba ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para / 'maiM caMdU lAla hI hU~' 'maiM hI hU~' mI mI mI are, mI tara cAla lo (maiM to calA) kahatA hai ! AdhAra-AdhArI ke saMbaMdhoM ke AdhAra para yaha jagat khar3A / yaha AdhAra svarUpa ke saMbaMdha kI vajaha se hai / vaha AdhAra ahaMkAra ke saMbaMdha kI vajaha se hai| yadi vaha nahIM hogA, ahaMkAra nahIM hogA to vaha AdhAra

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360 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) khatma ho jaaegaa| karma kA kartA nahIM banegA phir| hamArI AjJA meM rahegA to eka bhI karma nahIM baMdhegA aura yahA~ para karma to sabhI karegA lekina karma nahIM bNdhege| karma karane ke bAvajUda bhI akarma, kRSNa bhagavAna ne jo kahA thA, vahI dshaa| AdhAra haTA de to AdhArI chUTa jaaegaa| AtmA meM AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha nahIM hai| AtmA meM jisane AdhAra rakhA usake lie AdhArI saMbaMdha nahIM hai| AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha vAlI to isa duniyA kI TemparerI cIjeM haiN| isa duniyAdArI kI TemparerI cIjeM AdhAra-AdhArI thIM aura paramAnenTa cIz2oM se saMbaMdha AdhAra-AdhArI nahIM hai| oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTa enDa yU Ara prmaanentt| caMdUbhAI TemparerI eDajasTamenTa hai| phAdara oNpha da sana, TemparerI eDajasTamenTa hai, haz2abenDa oNpha yora vAipha TemparerI eDajasTamenTa hai| sabhI TemparerI eDajasTamenTa haiM enDa yU Ara prmaanentt| ina pA~ca indriyoM se jo dikhAI detA hai vaha AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha se hai, saapekss| jisane jisase apekSA rakhI hai, vaha rileTiva hai| sApekSa arthAt rileTiva, vaha sArA AdhArI hai aura riyala meM niraalNb| usa samaya AdhAra-vAdhAra nahIM rhtaa| aisA hai na, aMdara bahuta taraha ke AdhAra haiM, eka-do AdhAra nahIM haiM, anaMta AdhAra haiM saare| ataH prakRti Amane-sAmane AdhAra kI vajaha se banI huI hai| vAyu ke AdhAra para pitta rahA huA hai aura pitta ke AdhAra para kapha hai| kapha ke AdhAra para yaha hai| haDDI ke AdhAra para yaha zarIra aura zarIra ke AdhAra para ye haDDiyA~ haiN| ataH ye AdhAra-AdhArI saMbaMdha taraha taraha ke haiM aura usase bAhara bhI AdhAra haiN| lekina bAhara vAle saMbaMdhoM se ise lenA-denA nahIM hai lekina vaha to bhrAMti se aisA mAnatA hai ki ye mere saMbaMdha haiN| kisa rAste se ho sakate haiM nirAlaMba? praznakartA : kyA isa nirAlaMba sthiti kI paribhASA kauna sI kahI jA sakatI hai? nirAlaMba dazA kI paribhASA kise kahA jAegA?

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[6] nirAlaMba dAdAzrI : kisI bhI prakAra ke avalaMbana ke binA rahanA / pUrI duniyA avalaMbana vAlI hai| pudgala kA kucha na kucha sahArA rahatA hai jabaki isameM pudgala kA sahArA nahIM hai / 361 praznakartA : arthAt dekhane meM avalaMbana dikhAI detA hai lekina vAstava meM koI avalaMbana nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : avalaMbana nahIM hotA / dekhane meM dUsare logoM ko dikhAI detA hai| avalaMbana kama karate-karate jAnA hai na ! praznakartA : acchA! arthAt mUla mArga aisA hai / nirAlaMba dazA prApti kA mArga aisA hai| dAdAzrI : avalaMbana kama karate-karate jAnA hai / praznakartA : isameM avalaMbana kI z2arUrata kyoM mahasUsa hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : avalaMbana kI bhakti kI hai, isalie / praznakartA : pudgala kI bhakti kI hai, islie| ataH pariNAma svarUpa yaha hU~pha detA hai ? dAdAzrI : pariNAma svarUpa usakI manacAhI icchA pUrNa hotI hai| praznakartA : to hU~pha (sahArA, salAmatI, surakSA, rakSaNa) kI vajaha se ve saba paudgalika icchAe~ utpanna hotI haiN| isa hU~pha kI vajaha se, aisA kaha rahe haiM ? dAdAzrI : icchA pUrNa ho gaI to hU~pha pUrNa ho jAtI hai / vaha bhI pahale kI gaI icchAoM ke jitane pariNAma Ate haiM, utanI hU~pha rahatI hai, asala meM yaha vAstavika nahIM hai / praznakartA : apane jJAna ke bAda meM use 'khuda ko zuddhAtmA pada prApta huA, isalie aisA kahA jAegA ki use nirAlaMba dRSTi prApta ho gaI ? dAdAzrI : nirAlaMba hI hai usakI /

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : isa jJAna ke baad| lekina aMdara jo utpanna hotA hai yA phira jo aMdara rahe hue pariNAma haiM, unakA nikAla kisa taraha se hotA hai ? 362 dAdAzrI : vaha kar3avA z2ahara jaisA lagatA rahatA hai isalie chUTatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : ataH jahA~-jahA~ hU~pha lI jAtI hai, jo-jo avalaMbana lie haiM athavA lie jAte haiM, ve kar3ave z2ahara jaise lagane cAhie ? dAdAzrI : jaba kar3avA lagatA hai to chUTa hI rahA hotA hai| jitane saMyoga utane hI avalaMbana / praznakartA : isameM avalaMbana chor3ane ke lie eka dUsarA rAstA bhI ho sakatA hai na arthAt jJAna kI jAgRti se bhI avalaMbana chUTa sakatA hai na ? dAdAzrI : yadi jJAna jAgRti hai to avalaMbana hai hI nahIM na ! praznakartA : vahA~ para avalaMbana hai hI nahIM ? dAdAzrI : abhI taka use dUsare kI haibiTa hai isalie / praznakartA : vaha cIz2a mIThI lagatI hai / avalaMbana ke z2yAdAtara kAraNa kauna se ho sakate haiM ? dAdAzrI : icchAoM ke kaarnn| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai, lekina bAdhaka avalaMbana kauna-kauna se haiM? jaise ki udAharaNa ke taura para ghara kA avalaMbana hai, patnI kA avalaMbana hai I dAdAzrI : are, unheM to ginanA hI nahIM hai / praznakartA : ve nahIM ? to ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba to eka bar3A bar3A ho gayA / yaha to eka sarkala kI bAta kI hai ki pA~ca-sAta saMyoga haiM, strI hai, ghara hai, aise to

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[6] nirAlaMba 363 karor3oM saMyoga haiN| sirpha strI hI nahIM, saba ko pAra kara liyA hai| sirpha pA~ca-sAta saMyoga bace haiN| lekina phira bhI vahIM se nirAlaMba kahalAne lagatA hai, pA~ca-sAta saMyoga hoM phira bhI! praznakartA : arthAt kucha hada taka kI nirAlaMba sthiti prApta ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : nirAlaMba hone para hI vaha khuda apane Apako dekha sakatA hai| dekha sakanA, zabdarUpI nahIM hai| zabda to avalaMbana hai| praznakartA : use khuda ko patA calatA hai ki vaha khuda avalaMbanoM kI pakar3a meM hai? dAdAzrI : sabhI kucha patA calatA hai| praznakartA : to usase chUTane ke lie kyA upAya hai? dAdAzrI : kar3ave z2ahara jaisA laganA cAhie vaha / kyA patA nahIM calegA ki yaha mIThA laga rahA hai aura yaha kar3avA laga rahA hai? praznakartA : arthAt jahA~-jahA~ mIThA lagatA hai athavA kar3avA lagatA hai to abhI taka ve avalaMbana par3e hue haiN| dAdAzrI : saMyoga mAtra avalaMbana hai| praznakartA : lekina saMyoga to Apako bhI milate haiM phira bhI ApakI sthiti nirAlaMba hai, vaha kisa prakAra se? dAdAzrI : hameM to saMyogoM kI z2arUrata nahIM haiM aura bAkI ye jo saba milate haiM unakA hama nikAla kara dete haiN| praznakartA : matalaba? kyA Apa aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki abhI jo saMyoga milate haiM, ve pahale ke kisI avalaMbana kA pariNAma haiM ? dAdAzrI : icchAoM kA pariNAma haiN|

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364 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : pahale kI? dAdAzrI : abhI icchAe~ nahIM rahI aura pahale kI icchAoM ke pariNAma svarUpa abhI saMyoga milate haiM lekina ve kar3ave z2ahara jaise lagate haiM, acche nahIM lgte| praznakartA : to jaise-jaise unakA nikAla hotA jAegA vaise-vaise aura adhika nirAlaMba sthiti utpanna hogI? dAdAzrI : ho hI cukI hai hamArI to| praznakartA : lekina una saMyogoM kA nikAla... dAdAzrI : unakA nikAla ho hI rahA hai kyoMki pratyeka saMyoga ko dekhate haiM, jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAte haiM ! phira bhI thor3e bahuta raha jAte haiM lekina khuda kA svarUpa dikha jAtA hai| usake AdhAra para saMyogoM kA pUrNataH nAza kara sakate haiM, varnA kara hI nahIM sakeMge na! praznakartA : jaba khuda kA svarUpa dikhane lage tabhI phira vaha avalaMbana, avalaMbana rUpI nahIM rahegA na? dAdAzrI : khuda apane Apako dekha sake tabhI se nirAlaMba hone lagatA hai| abhI, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', usa sarkala meM AyA hai| praznakartA : apane ye sabhI mahAtmA? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : hN| yaha zuddhAtmA pada bhI nirAlaMba sthiti lAe, aisA pada hai na? ataH jaise-jaise ina phAiloM kA nikAla hotA jAegA vaise-vaise vaha AtA jAegA, nirAlaMba sthiti vAlA pada? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : hamane do prakAra ke avalaMbana kahe haiM, eka to miThAsa vAle avalaMbana aura dUsare kar3avAhaTa vAle avlNbn| ThIka hai na?

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[6] nirAlaMba 365 dAdAzrI : do prakAra ke saMyoga hote hI haiM na! praznakartA : hA~, to ve donoM prakAra ke avalaMbana aMdara khar3e hote haiM lekina yadi khuda vahA~ se haTa jAe to kyA vaha nirAlaMba sthiti kI tarapha jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : kaise haTa pAegA lekina? praznakartA : isa jJAna kI jAgRti se| bAhara saMyoga hoM lekina aMdara jAgRtipUrvaka haTa jAe to? dAdAzrI : lekina haTegA kaise? vaha jJAtA-dRSTA raha pAe tabhI kahA jAegA ki vaha haTa gyaa| praznakartA : kyoMki Aja vyavahAra aura saMyoga Apake AsapAsa bhI haiM aura mahAtmAoM ke AsapAsa bhI vyavahAra va saMyoga haiM lekina kyA isameM bIca meM kucha aisA hai jo ki Apako nirAlaMba sthiti meM rakha sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiN| praznakartA : vahI pd| dAdAzrI : vItarAga rahate haiN| praznakartA : to aisA kisa prakAra kaha sakate haiM ki vaha jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM rahA? dAdAzrI : vaha use khuda ko patA cala jAtA hai| vaha manA hI karegA ki 'maiM nahIM rahA huuN| praznakartA : Apane aisA bhI kahA thA ki 'hamane vaha svarUpa dekha liyA hai isalie isa tarapha nirAlaMba sthiti raha sakatI hai', to kyA jJAtA-dRSTApane meM bhI aisA hI hai? dAdAzrI : jJAtA-dRSTApada kA to khuda ko patA cala jAtA hai na,

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366 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) Apako patA calatA hai na? upayoga meM rahate haiM, kahA~ upayoga rahatA hai, sabakucha patA calatA hai| praznakartA : to pUchanA yaha thA ki phira jJAtA-dRSTApanA rahanA aura svarUpa dikhAI de jAnA, ye donoM sthitiyA~ eka hI haiM yA donoM meM aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : alaga alaga haiN| jJAtA-dRSTA hara eka vyakti raha sakatA hai na! praznakartA : isakA matalaba svarUpa dikhAI denA uttama hai| dAdAzrI : vaisA hai hI nahIM kisI ko| praznakartA : arthAt ? apane mahAtmAoM meM kisI ko bhI nahIM? dAdAzrI : ho hI nahIM sakatA n| unakA kAma bhI nahIM hai| bekAra hI pUcha rahe ho! ye sabhI saMyogI cIjeM mila jAe~, jIvana Tenzana rahita ho jAe, hAsya utpanna ho jAe, vaha saba mila jAe usake bAda svarUpa dikhAI detA hai| yaha kyA koI gappa hai ? abhI to AjJA meM rho| samajhanA alaga cIz2a hai aura AjJA meM rahanA alaga cIz2a hai| basa aura kucha bhI nhiiN| ___ abhI AjJA meM raho, basa itanA hii| jaba usakA phala AegA taba na! abhI par3ha rahe haiM pharsTa sTainDarDa meM, sekanDa sTainDarDa yA cauthe meM, pA~caveM meM, bekAra hI kyoM uchala-kUda kareM, maiTrika taka! abhI to hAsya utpanna nahIM huA hai, Tenzana gae nahIM haiN| samajhanA alaga cIz2a hai lekina binA bAta ke bekAra hI bhaTakanA, chalAMga lagAnA, isase to nIce jAkara kho jaaeNge| ataH AjJA meM rahakara dhIre-dhIre Age bar3ho na! AjJA meM rahanA aura kalyANa kI bhAvanA krnaa| yaha isa janma meM pUrA hogA yA abhI aura kitane janma hoMge, usakA ThikAnA nahIM hai na! bekAra hI uchala-kUda kyoM kareM! hU~pha kA svarUpa avalaMbana kI bAta Apa samajha gae na? jIvamAtra avalaMbana DhU~DhatA

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[6] nirAlaMba 367 hai, huuNph| loga use hU~pha kahate haiN| rAta ko agara baMgale meM akele sonA par3e taba bhI kahegA, 'kisI ko bulA lAo na!' aba agara pA~ca loga use mArane Ae~ to usa samaya vaha use bacA legA kyA? balki agara vaha Darapoka hogA to mAra khilaaegaa| praznakartA : hU~pha ke binA raha nahIM sakatA, ghabarA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI maiM kaha rahA hU~ na! isalie yaha kahate haiM ki tU vItarAga bana jA! tujhe yaha kyA jhaMjhaTa hai ? isalie hama kahate haiM na ki nirbhaya bana jaao| kisI kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hama jJAna dete hI use aisA kahate haiM ki 'bhAI, tU zuddhAtmA hai'| tU darpaNa meM dekhakara pIche thapathapAe na, taba bhI kisI kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'egii| usake bAda z2arUrata par3egI kyA? 'caMdUbhAI, maiM hU~ Apake sAtha' aisA kahanA, to phira kyA vaha koI zikAyata karegA? praznakartA : nahIM kregaa| dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai ki kisI aura ke binA z2arA sA bhI nahIM cltaa| aba agara use lAe, aura vaha agara ghabarA jAegA to balki mAra khilaaegaa| agara pati patnI ke sAtha na ho to use hU~pha nahIM rhtii| hU~pha ke lie hI hai| bacce ko usakI mA~ kI hU~pha hai, isalie vaha akelA nahIM rhtaa| kisI ko pati kI hU~pha rahatI hai| ataH yaha hU~pha hai| aba hU~pha alaga cIz2a hai aura AdhAra alaga cIz2a hai| AdhAra loDa vAlA hotA hai aura hU~pha arthAt usake mana meM hai ki vaha sAtha meM hai| agara sAtha vAlA so jAe to bhI use koI harja nahIM hai lekina jaba taka vaha nahIM Ae taba taka use nIMda nahIM aatii| usake Ane ke bAda hI nIMda AtI hai| hU~pha, hU~pha aura huuNph| use hU~pha acchI lagatI hai, vahI pasaMda hai| hU~pha zabda samajhane jaisA hai| vyApAra meM bhI hU~pha kI z2arUrata rahatI hai| hU~pha yAnI jaba vaha roe taba agara usake sAtha meM koI rone lage to use maz2A AtA hai| akele ronA acchA nahIM lgtaa|

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368 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : vyApAra meM bhI hU~pha DhU~Dhane se mAra pdd'ii| dAdAzrI : hA~, aura hU~pha hamezA z2idaMgIbhara eka sarIkhI rahe aisA nahIM rahatA na, sinsiyr| sinsiyaralI nahIM rahatA na! __ zAdI isIlie karate haiM na, ki z2idaMgIbhara sinsiyaralI hU~pha milegii| zAdI karane se to hU~pha milatI hai| hU~pha nahIM ho to ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI hai use| ghara para nahIM mile to bAhara hU~pha DhU~DhatA hai| sirpha jJAnIpuruSa ko hI ha~pha kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| jJAnI nirAlaMba hote haiN| mokSa meM jAne ke lie bahuta maz2abUta bananA par3egA isalie kudarata maz2abUta banAtI hai| praznakartA : isake bAvajUda bhI pati aura beTe kI ciMtA nahIM rahatI lekina phikara kyoM rahatI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to rahegI na bhaaii| eka mahInA dekhanA, akele so jAnA isa rUma meN| isa rUma meM akele so sakate ho? eka mahIne taka? haM? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : isakA matalaba to aMdara hU~pha caahie| to hU~pha kI hI jhaMjhaTa hai| praznakartA : to ye saba AvaraNa mokSa ke lie bAdhaka hI haiM na? dAdAzrI : hU~pha rahita jIvana, vahI mokSa kahalAtA hai| hU~pha paravazatA hai| hama akele hoM to naukara se kahate haiM ki, 'bhAI yahA~ Akara so jAnA na!' agara eka dina nahIM Ae to hamAre mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'are, yaha becArA A jAe to acchA hai! maiM pUrI rAta kyA karU~gA?' yaha hU~pha hai| vaha dUsarI tarapha so jAe, to phira hameM kyA de detA hai ? hU~pha hai na! praznakartA : yaha jo hU~pha hai, kyA yaha bhI bhojana aura nIMda jitanI mAdakatA lAtI hai?

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[6] nirAlaMba 369 dAdAzrI : nahIM aisA nahIM hai| bhaya hai| 'koI A jAegA kucha ho jAegA, kyA hogA?' praznakartA : nahIM dAdA! pati aura beTe ke lie aise bhaya kI vajaha se kahA~ karate haiM? kyA vaha moha nahIM hai, moha? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha moha to hai hii| bhaya kI vajaha se moha kiyA hai| bhaya nahIM hotA to moha hI nahIM krte| usameM hU~pha DhU~Dhate haiN| praznakartA : usameM prema nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM hai| prema to bhalA kahIM para hotA hogA? praznakartA : Asakti hai yaha sArI? dAdAzrI : to aura kyA? vahA~ para ye pyAle pAsa-pAsa meM rakheM raheM, to kyA isakA matalaba yaha hai ki saba eka-dUsare ke prati prema vAle haiM ? dekho, rakAbiyA~ sAtha so jAtI haiN| kyA ve prema vAlI haiM ? praznakartA : dAdA, ApakI sarasvatI to kyA kamAla kI hai ? aisA to sunA hI nahIM thA kahIM! dAdAzrI : nahIM ho sktaa| vaha rakAbI to rakAbiyoM ke sAtha par3I rahatI hai aura kapa, kapa ke sAtha par3e rahate haiN| kyA pyAle aura rakAbI ke bIca prema ho sakatA hai ? prema to dAdA kA hai jo ghaTatA-bar3hatA nahIM hai| phUla-mAlA pahanAne para bhI jo bar3hatA nahIM hai aura kucha Ter3hA-mer3hA karane para bhI jo kama nahIM hotA, vaha prema kahalAtA hai| ataH hama nirAlaMba kahalAte haiN| avalaMbana nahIM hai| praznakartA : dAdA, jo nirAlaMba rahate haiM, unheM kudarata bhI helpa karatI hai na? dAdAzrI : kisI-kisI jagaha para helpa nahIM krtii| kisI-kisI kI helpa kare to bAda meM usakI zarma rakhanI par3atI hai| usakA upakAra mAnanA par3atA hai| vaha nirAlaMbapanA nahIM khlaataa|

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370 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) yadi hU~pha lo to jJAnI kI hI praznakartA : ataH jise jJAnI kI hU~pha mila jAe to kyA phira vaha jJAnI kI hU~pha ke sahAre nirAlaMba ho sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : ho sakatA hai na! nirAlaMba hone kA rAstA yahI hai na ! praznakartA: jJAnI kI hU~pha nahIM mile to ? to phira nirAlaMba nahIM ho sakate ? dAdAzrI : to becArA patnI kI hU~pha DhU~DhegA, patnI kI hU~pha nahIM milegI to dosta kI DhU~DhegA, lekina kisI kI hU~pha to DhU~DhegA hI na ! praznakartA : phira vaha bhaTaka nahIM jAegA ? agara jJAnI kI hU~pha nahIM mile to... dAdAzrI : bhaTaka hI gae haiM na, dekho na ! praznakartA : ata: hU~pha jJAnI kI hI honI cAhie ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina jJAnI milate nahIM hai na! kisI-kisI kAla meM hI hote haiN| praznakartA : jaba hoM to milane cAhie na ? jJAnI mila jAe~ taba bhI unakI hU~pha milanI cAhie na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM milte| pUrI duniyA hU~pha DhU~Dha rahI hai / hU~pha ! apanA gujarAtI zabda hai ! aba hU~pha kI vajaha se hI to jI rahe haiM loga / 'phalAne bhAI kI hU~pha hai to mujhe acchA rahatA hai', kahegA / usameM bhI phira jo patnI hai vaha pati kI hU~pha meM rahatI hai, beTI bApa kI hU~pha meM rahatI hai lekina kisI na kisI kI hU~pha rahatI hai / hU~pha ke AdhAra para rahate haiN| sirpha jJAnI ko hI hU~pha vagairaha kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yadi hU~pha rahe na, taba to vaha parataMtratA hai| hU~pha nahIM rahanI caahie| bhagavAna kI bhI hU~pha nahIM rahanI caahie| bhagavAna bhI, parataMtratA ! are phira se duHkha / bhagavAna jAe~, unakI mahArAnI hoM yA unake jo koI bhI hoM, vahA~ para jaaeN| hameM kyA I

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[6] nirAlaMba 371 lenA-denA? hameM hU~pha kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yaha to maiM dhyeya batA rahA huuN| abhI to Apako apanA kAma nikAlanA bAkI hai| isakA to Apako dhyeya rakhanA hai| aMta meM kabhI na kabhI nirAlaMba honA hI par3egA na? taba taka avalaMbana to lenA par3egA! sat ke avalaMbana lene pdd'eNge| jJAnIpuruSa se jJAna milA, phira tabhI se nirAlaMba hone lagate haiN| abhI taka saMpUrNa nirAlaMba nahIM hue haiN| nirAlaMba hone kI zuruAta ho cukI hai taba taka hU~pha hI DhU~DhatA rahatA hai| pUrI rAta meM kyA koI khA jAegA? sAtha vAlA bhI so jAtA hai aura yaha bhI so jAtA hai| kisakI hU~pha DhU~Dha rahA hai? lekina jaba taka saMsAra jAgRti hai taba taka hU~pha hai lekina AtmA ho jAne ke bAda ha~pha nahIM rhtii| dhIre-dhIre bhaya kama hote jAte haiN| Apa AtmA ho gae haiM na, aba bhaya kama lagate haiM na? praznakartA : kisI kA bhI bhaya nahIM, nirbhaya ! dAdAzrI : jabaki isa duniyA ke loga to, agara rAta ko akele rahanA ho, taba bhI hU~pha DhU~Dhate haiN| akele ko to nIMda bhI nahIM aatii| hU~pha DhU~Dhate haiM duniyA ke log| aba maiMne Apako nirAlaMba banA diyA hai| aba jo hU~pha DhU~Dhate ho na, vaha to sArI DiscArja hai| abhI Apa nirAlaMba ho lekina ApakA nirAlaMba ekjekTa nirAlaMba nahIM khlaaegaa| Apa zabdAvalaMbana sthiti meM A gae ho, bahuta bar3I sthiti kahalAtI hai| yaha pada to devI-devatAoM ko bhI nahIM miltaa| bar3e-bar3e RSi-muniyoM ne kisI ne nahIM dekhA hai aisA pada hai yaha, isalie kAma nikAla lenaa| itanI sephasAiDa aura itanA AnaMda! bhItara, sukha ke lie unheM anya kisI kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| khuda apane svabhAva se hI sukhamaya arthAt nirAlaMba hai, jise AlaMbana kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai aisA AtmA diyA hai| dAdA aThahattara sAla kI umra meM kaise rahate haiN| nahIM? avalaMbana kI vajaha se to paravazatA ho gaI hai| avalaMbana hI paravazatA hai na?

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372 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) aMta meM chUTe jJAnI kA avalaMbana praznakartA : jaba taka ebsalyUTa nahIM ho jAte, kyA taba taka jJAnI kA AdhAra lenA par3egA? dAdAzrI : hA~, zuddhAtmA kA AdhAra, dAdA kA aadhaar| samudra meM beTe ko yoM hAtha meM uThA rakhA ho, vaha baccA nIce yoM paira hilAkara dekhatA hai ki paira tale taka paha~ca rahe haiM yA nahIM! vaha dekhatA to hai lekina agara nahIM pahu~cate to vApasa hama se cipaTa jAtA hai lekina jaba paira nIce laga jAe~ to hameM haTAkara chor3a detA hai| hameM dhIre-dhIre chor3ane lage to kyA hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki, 'are isake paira nIce taka pahuMca gae haiN'| paira pahu~ca jAe~ge to chor3a nahIM degA? chor3a degA! usake paira nIce lagane caahie| usI prakAra Apa tabhI taka mujhase cipaTe hue ho na! jaba Apake paira nIce taka pahu~ca jAe~ge to Apako mujhe chor3a denA hai| isa avalaMbana ko bhI chor3a denA hai| zabdoM kA avalaMbana kaba taka rakhanA haiM ? Apake paira nIce taka na laga jAe~, taba tk| Apa khuda nirAlaMba ho jAoge taba yaha chUTa jaaegaa| apane Apa hI chUTa jaaegaa| taba taka dAdA ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata hai, zuddhAtmA ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata hai| dAdA ke hI pIche ghUmate raho, ve jahA~ jAe~, vhaaN| yadi avakAza deM to| avakAza kauna degA? Apake udayakarma Apako avakAza deMge to dAdA ke pIche ghUmate rahanA aura agara avakAza nahIM deM to aisA taya karo ki kaba mujhe avakAza prApta hogA? vyavahAra va nizcaya ke AlaMbana praznakartA : hama sabhI meM jarA-jarA sI mUrchA raha jAtI hai| abhI to sabhI avalaMbana haiM n| dAdAzrI : aisA karate-karate kama hote jaaeNge| pahale jo avalaMbana the, ki aMdara varIz2a huI ki cala sinemA dekhane caleM to aba dUsarA avalaMbana pkdd'aa| usase avalaMbana bar3hate jAte haiM blki| aba avalaMbana ghaTate jaaeNge|

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[6] nirAlaMba 373 praznakartA : sAmane vAle vyaktiyoM ke avalaMbana hote haiM na! isa sinemA vagairaha kA avalaMbana to jaldI se pheMkA jA sakatA hai| lekina aba jo vyaktigata... dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha pheMkane se nahIM chuuttegaa| vaha to apane Apa hI kama ho jAe~ge, na jAne kahA~ cale jAe~ge! praznakartA : lekina vyaktiyoM ke avalaMbana rahA karate haiN| dAdAzrI : ve to dhIre-dhIre cale jAe~ge na, vaha to hisAba hai... vyaktiyoM ke to| avalaMbana arthAt inake bagaira merA nahIM clegaa| aisA nahIM lekina ye saba hisAba haiN| Amane-sAmane hisAba haiM saare| kaoNmpleksa hai saba lekina usase koI parezAnI nahIM hogii| praznakartA : lekina ve kaoNmpleksa chUTeMge kaise? ve oNTomaiTika hI chUTa jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM, aura vyavahAra avalaMbana to hameM ina nIrU bahana kA hai| ina saba kA avalaMbana hI hai na! vAstava meM nizcaya avalaMbana kA matalaba kyA hai ki jisakA AdhAra lene para, aMdara agara koI ar3acana Ae, taba usakA (AtmA kA) avalaMbana lete haiN| vyavahAra vAle ko to sabasTiTyUTa kI taraha rakhate haiN| praznakartA : kisa taraha se? dAdAzrI : 'para' meM cipaka jAtA hai vApasa / 'para' meM se sva meM jAne ke lie taiyAra huA, aura vApasa avalaMbana, bAhara kA hI avalaMbana, isase vApasa 'para' meM cipaka jAtA hai| dUsare meM cipaka jAtA hai| isakA nahIM to usakA (avalaMbana) letA hai| kyA loga aisA nahIM socate? ciMtA hone lage taba dUsare vicAra karane lagatA hai, sinemA dekhane calA jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina usake lie kyA karanA cAhie? usakA kyA upAya hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nhiiN| abhI to usake lie dUsarA avalaMbana

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374 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) lenA pdd'egaa| jaba taka hamAre paira nIce na laga jAe, hama samudra meM utareM to itanA pAnI hotA hai, jaba taka paira nIce nahIM laga jAe~ taba taka to vaha karanA par3egA na! aura vahI saba to ho rahA hai| isake lie aba tujhe aura kucha nahIM karanA hai| bAta ko sirpha jAnanA hI hai| jAnoge to vaha phiTa hotA hI rahegA, apane Apa hii| jAnakara samajha lenA hai| vAstava meM jJAna kA matalaba kyA hai ki jAnanA aura smjhnaa| apane Apa hI aMdara kAma karatA rhegaa| praznakartA : jAnate haiM phira bhI mUrchA kI eka z2abaradasta lahara A jAe to vApasa vaha ghera letI hai| jAnane ke bAvajUda bhI aisA ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na hamane to pichale kitane hI janmoM se isakI zuruAta kara dI thii| aura Apane kitane janmoM se zuruAta kI hai? to kahate haiM, 'abhI kucha hI sAloM se'| kucha hI sAloM kI zuruAta se yadi itanA z2oradAra huA hai to ve saba tez2I se khatma ho jAe~ge, isa bAta kA to vizvAsa ho gayA hai na? dAdA kI yAda Ate hI aMtara zAMti ho jAtI hai na jaldI se? praznakartA : turNt| dAdAzrI : basa to phira! yaha saba se bar3A upAya hai varnA eka bAra agara bhaya ghusa jAe to phira pUrI rAta nikalegI kyA? aura yadi dAdA kA avalaMbana liyA to? tamAma du:kha miTa jaaeNge| praznakartA : usake lie eka bAra Apane bahuta suMdara vAkya kahA thA ki vItarAgoM kA avalaMbana, vaha avalaMbana nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, sahI bAta hai| vaha avalaMbana vAstava meM avalaMbana hai hI nhiiN| aura hameM bhI nirAlaMba banAtA hai| praznakartA : vItarAgoM kA avalaMbana, avalaMbana nahIM hai| usameM AtmA ke sabhI guNa A jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : sahI bAta hai|

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[6] nirAlaMba 375 AjJA-cAritra meM se daraasala meM ina pA~ca AjJAoM kA pAlana karane se cAritra utpanna hotA hai| pA~ca AjJA kA pAlana prathama cAritra hai, AjJA cAritra hai aura usake bAda daraasala cAritra aaegaa| praznakartA : unameM se jo pariNAmita hogA, vaha asala cAritra hai| jaba AcaraNa meM pariNAmita hogA taba vaha asala cAritra hai| dAdAzrI : nirAdhAra bana jAe, vaha asala hai| yaha sAdhArI hai, AjJA kaa| AjJA kA AdhAra hai, bAda meM nirAdhAra ho jaaegaa| nirAlaMba! koI avalaMbana nhiiN| yaha pUrA jagat avalaMbana kI vajaha se khar3A hai| praznakartA : phira AjJA rahegI hI nahIM? to phira AjJA kA kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : ve gAyaba ho jaaeNgii| vahA~ para z2arUrata hI nahIM rhii| kinArA Ane ke bAda kyA hameM nAva para dayA rakhanI paDegI? praznakartA : nahIM jii| dAdAzrI : hameM to utarakara cale jAnA hai| nAva apane Apa hI vApasa calI jaaegii| usI prakAra AjJA apane ghara calI jaaegii| hameM apane ghara cale jAnA hai| utAra diyA, Deka pr| kinAre para utAra dete haiM na? praznakartA : jii| kinAre pahu~cA diyaa| dAdAzrI : pahu~cA diyaa| ye AjJAe~ kinAre taka pahu~cA deMgI varnA thaper3e khilvaaegii| __rileTiva meM se ebsalyUTa kI tarapha koI avalaMbana na rahe, usa taraha se nirAlaMba hokara baiThe haiM hama isalie hama para cAhe kaise bhI prayoga karo phira bhI hameM sparza nahIM kareMge kyoMki hamArA svarUpa nirAlaMba hai| avalaMbana vAle ko pakar3ate haiM ki maiM

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) caMdUbhAI hU~, phalAnA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM jJAnI hU~, vaha bhI avalaMbana kahalAtA hai| 376 praznakartA : dAdAjI ! Apane kahA ki jo rileTiva hai vaha varDa meM hai, zabdoM meM hai aura ebsalyUTa nirAlaMba hai to rileTiva aura ebsalyUTa meM kyA aMtara hai? dAdAzrI : ebsalyUTa to bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai / isa zuddhAtmA meM A gae na, to Apa mokSa ke daravAz2e ke aMdara A ge| Apa aise daravAz2e meM praveza kara cuke ho ki aba Apako koI bAhara nahIM nikAla sakatA / lekina phira bhI yaha sApekSa hai / sApekSa kyoM ? vaha isalie ki agara AjJA kA pAlana karoge tabhI, varnA agara AjJA pAlana nahIM karoge to bAhara nikAla deNge| Apake pAsa yaha sApekSa hai / ataH aMdara A cuke ho aura agara z2yAdA nahIM to pacAsa-sATha pratizata AjJA kA pAlana karo / haMDreDa parasenTa pAlana nahIM kiyA jA sakatA, maiM jAnatA hU~ ki yaha kAla vicitra hai, lekina pacAsa-sATha pratizata bhI yadi AjJA kA pAlana karate ho to Apako koI bAhara nahIM nikAlegA / praznakartA : to abhI taka yaha nirAlaMba kI sIr3hI bAkI hai nA ? ebsalyUTa kI sIr3hI bAkI hai nA ? dAdAzrI : Apane aba isa mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praveza kara liyA hai to aba kyoM kanphyUz2a ho rahe ho ? daravAz2e meM ghusane hI kauna de ? lAkha janmoM meM bhI koI ghusane na de / praveza kara liyA hai to usakA AnaMda manAo na! aba phira eka pada bAkI rahA hai to kyA usakI ciMtA karanI hai? Apako kaisA lagatA hai ? praznakartA : samajhane ke lie pUchA hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| khuda apane Apa ko dhanya mAno / 'dhanya hai mujhe ki mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praveza kara liyA hai', aisA dhanya mAno / yadi mana para Age kI cIz2a kA bojha rakhoge na to mana meM aisA rahA karegA ki hameM vaha pada nahIM milA hai, vaha pada nahIM milA hai|

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[6] nirAlaMba 377 praznakartA : dAdA, usa bojha ko halkA karane ke lie Apase prArthanA kI hai| dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai| Apako bojha nahIM rakhanA hai| vaha to apane Apa hI sAmane Akara rahegA ab| ina AjJAoM kA pAlana karoge na, to vaha pada sAmane A jaaegaa| mujhe sApha-sApha kaha denA cAhie na, ki yaha kyA hai ! karekTanesa to AnI cAhie na ! kevalajJAna ! ebsalyUTa! phaoNrena vAle samajhate haiM ebsalyUTa ko| ataH hamane phaoNrena vAloM ko likha diyA hai ki 'hama thyorI oNpha ebsalyUTa meM nahIM haiM, thiarama oNpha ebsalyUTiz2ama meM haiN'| thiarama arthAt usake anubhava meM hI hai| praznakartA : saMpUrNa jAgRti hI kevalajJAna hai? dAdAzrI : sNpuurnn| aura abhI jo ApakI jAgRti bar3hI hai vaha saMpUrNa hone kI taiyArI kara rahI hai| saMpUrNa jAgRti ko hI nirAlaMba kahate haiN| abhI to avalaMbana hai, abhI to Apako mere pAsa AnA par3atA hai yA nahIM? Apako merA avalaMbana lenA par3atA hai yA nahIM? yaha avalaMbana kahalAtA hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha avalaMbana hai| abhI jJAna kA lAbha mila rahA hai na pUrA-pUrA? kisI bhI jagaha para samAdhAna de, aisA hai na? praznakartA : lekina dAdA, usI para se pUrA vicAra AtA hai na! hama jo yaha ebsalyUTa zabda kahate haiM, to usase kauna sA citra banatA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha mUla AtmA hai na, vaha ebsalyUTa hai| use anya kisI kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| ebsalyUTa kA matalaba kyA hai ? niraalNb| use kisI ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, khuda apane prANa se hI jI rahA hai| yAnI isa taraha kA prANa nahIM hai| khuda apane Apase hI jI rahA hai, niraMtara sukha! niraMtara AnaMda! vahI AtmA hai| aba isa zuddhAtmA pada kI DigrI meM Ae haiM, zuruAta huI hai lekina abhI mUla AtmA mIloM dUra hai lekina Apane mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praveza kara liyA hai| aba ApakA mokSa ho gayA hai lekina yahA~ para ruka mata jaanaa|

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378 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) Apako samajha meM AyA na ki yaha jo zuddhAtmA prApta huA hai, vaha aMtima dazA nahIM hai| vaha to isa bAta kA pramANa hai ki mokSa ke daravAje meM praveza kara cuke haiN| mokSa ke daravAz2e meM praveza kiyA, vaha to zaddhAtmA kA anubhava huaa| lakSa (jAgRti) pratIti aura anubhv| bAkI, agara mana meM aisA mAna baiTheM ki aba yaha anubhava pUrA ho gayA, to kAma pUrA nahIM huA hai ! 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha AtmA kA anubhava hai, yaha bAta sahI hai| usameM do mata nahIM hai! kyoMki vaha trikAlI bAta hai| kucha kAla (samaya) ke lie nahIM hai yh| AtmA kI sabhI cIjeM trikAlavartI hotI haiM, kucha hI kAla ke lie hoM, aisI nahIM hotiiN| mujhe vaha trikAlI anubhava rahatA hai| Apako bhI trikAlI rahatA lekina Apake aMdara ye sAre bAdhaka haiN| saMsAra ke sabhI vighn| ____'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha bhI avalaMbana hai, zabda kA avlNbn| lekina vaha ucca prakAra kA avalaMbana hai| vaha mokSamArga kA hai| usakI sugaMdha alaga hai nA? lekina usase bhI Age jAnA hai, nirAlaMba bananA hai| kitanA g2az2aba kA puNya hai! yaha bAteM sunane ko bhI na mileM, zAstroM meM nahIM haiM ye bAteM! praznakartA : to eka-do janmoM meM ho jAe~ge na nirAlaMba? dAdAzrI : ho hI jAoge na! yaha to apane Apa hI sabakucha halkA ho gayA hai na! ArtadhyAna-raudradhyAna baMda ho gae, usase iMsAna eka avatArI banatA hai| yahI niyama hai aura zAyada agara do avatAra ho jAe~, taba bhI kyA nukasAna hai? aba itane sAre janma bigAr3e haiN| hameM khuda ko bhI lagatA hai ki halke phUla ho gae haiN| mahAvideha kSetra meM hamezA tIrthaMkara rahate hI haiN| to bolo, jaba dekho taba brahmAMDa to pavitra hI hai na? praznakartA : hama to dAdA kA vIz2A batA deNge| dAdAzrI : vIz2A to batAnA par3egA, to apane Apa hI kAma ho

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[6] nirAlaMba 379 jaaegaa| usase tIrthaMkara ko dekhate hI Apake AnaMda kI sImA nahIM rhegii| pUrA jagat vismRta ho jaaegaa| jagat kA kucha bhI khAnA-pInA acchA nahIM lgegaa| usa kSaNa pUrNa ho jaaegaa| nirAlaMba AtmA prApta hogaa| nirAlaMba! usake bAda koI avalaMbana nahIM rhegaa| praznakartA : Apa aisA kahate haiM na ki 'Apako merA avalaMbana hai, lekina maiM nirAlaMbI hU~ isalie koI harja nahIM hai'? dAdAzrI : bAta sahI hai na! lekina merA avalaMbana to Apako rakhanA hI par3egA, aura maiM nirAlaMbI huuN| arthAt ApakA UparI sirpha maiM akelA rahA, aura merA UparI koI hai nhiiN| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, Apa jJAnI kI nizAniyA~ batA rahe the na, usameM se eka nizAnI yaha hai ki 'tere cAhe kaise bhI prazna hoM, unameM se hara eka prazna kA javAba dene ke bajAya maiM tujhe aisI cIz2a dikhA detA hU~ ki tU hI tere sabhI praznoM kA samAdhAna kara ske| dAdAzrI : tere praznoM kA tU saoNlyUzana lA de| maiM kahA~ jhaMjhaTa karU~? aura abhI to pacAsa haz2Ara loga Ae~ge, kala lAkha loga Ae~ge, kyA kahA jA sakatA hai ? maiM jhaMjhaTa meM kahA~ paDhU~? merA hetu kyA hai ki 'jo sukha maiMne prApta kiyA, vaha sukha tuma bhI paao'| merA hetu pUrNa ho gyaa| basa ho gayA! kitane hI loga kahate haiM, 'dAdAjI, hama cha:-cha: mahIne taka nahIM A paate'| maiMne kahA, 'Apako AnaMda rahatA hai na' taba kahate haiM 'hameM pUrNAhuti kA anubhava hotA hai| dAdA mere sAtha hAz2ira rahate haiN| to bahuta ho gayA, usake bAda hameM aisA nahIM hai ki yahA~ Ao yA jaao| jinakA avalaMbana liyA hai, unheM agara hama se koI cIz2a cAhie to jhaMjhaTa rhegii| hameM to yahA~ kisI se kucha cAhie hI nhiiN| sArA jJAna de diyA hai| Age to, sirpha merI sthiti kI vajaha se hI maiM Age raha sakA huuN| Apase Age taira hI rahA hU~ isalie sAtha rahane se Apako lAbha milatA hai| bAkI dUsare saba loga jo thor3A bahuta gupta rakhate haiM ve to bahuta ghoTAle vAle haiN| aisA nahIM honA caahie| kyoMki

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) jJAnI to, jo hotA hai vaha de dete haiN| bhale hI phira vaha hamAre pAsa na aae| hamane yaha jJAna kisI ko apane pAsa bulAne ke lie yA sevA karavAne ke lie nahIM diyA hai| usake uddhAra ke lie diyA hai aura mujhe sevA kI z2arUrata bhI nahIM hai / merA uddhAra to ho cukA hai, saba ho cukA hai / mujhe sevA kI kyA z2arUrata hai ? isalie jo bhI ho use, sabakucha pUrNa rUpa se de hI dete haiM / praznakartA : vaha jo kahA hai na, lezamAtra bhI jise icchA nahIM 380 rhe| dAdAzrI : hA~ lezamAtra kisI bhI prakAra kI icchA nahIM / bhagavAna ke pAsa hI icchA nahIM rakhI, to Apake pAsa kaise rakhU~ ? yaha to, bahuta kucha pA liyA hai| aisA to koI sAdhu-saMnyAsI bhI prApta nahIM kara sakatA, Apane aisA pAyA hai| aba usake lie asaMtoSa mata rakhanA / thiarama oNpha ebsalyUTiz2ama praznakartA : yaha vAkya z2arA samajhanA hai, 'hama khuda thyorI oNpha ebsalyUTiz2ama meM hai / thyorI hI nahIM paraMtu thiarama meM haiM ' / dAdAzrI : hA~! hameM kahane kI khAtira ' thyorI meM' kahanA par3atA hai, bAkI, hama to thiarama meM hI haiM / nirAlaMba meM hI haiM / koI avalaMbana nahIM rahA, aisI nirAlaMba sthiti / praznakartA : ebsalyUTa sthiti kA varNana samajhAie z2arA / dAdAzrI : ebsalyUTa sthiti arthAt 'para - samaya' baMda ho gayA hai| isa kAla kA choTe se choTA bhAga, use samaya kahA jAtA hai / yaha jo pala hai, yaha samaya nahIM hai| usake bahuta sUkSma bhAga ko samaya kahA jAtA hai| jahA~ eka samaya bhI para - samaya nahIM hai, use ebsalyUTa kahA jAtA hai aura ebsalyUTa ho jAne ke bAda avalaMbana nahIM rahatA, nirAlaMba sthiti rahatI hai| praznakartA : nirAlaMba sthiti to ebsalyUTa hue bagaira bhI anubhava kI jA sakatI hai na ?

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[6] nirAlaMba 381 dAdAzrI : nhiiN| ebsalyUTa hone ke bAda hI nirAlaMba ho sakate haiN| ataH jahA~ se ebsalyUTa kI zuruAta huI, usake bAda se saMpUrNa ebsalyUTa kevalajJAna hone taka ebsalyUTa sthiti hai| ebsalyUTa kI biginiMga bhI hai aura enDa bhI hai| jahA~ nirAlaMba dazA, vahA~ nirbhayatA, vItarAgatA AtmA nirAlaMba hai, bilkula nirAlaMba hai| vaha aisA hai ki use koI bhI cIz2a Taca nahIM ho sktii| ApameM aisA AtmA hai aura inameM bhI vaisA hI AtmA hai| phA~sI para car3hA diyA jAe to bhI zarIra phA~sI para car3hegA, AtmA nhiiN| bolo aba, vaha AtmA kaisA hogA? deha ko bIMdha le to bhI AtmA nahIM biNdhtaa| bolo phira, jise aisA AtmA prApta ho gayA hai, use phira koI bhaya hai? praznakartA : bilkula nhiiN| phira bhaya kaisA? dAdAzrI : pUre jagat meM koI cIz2a aisI nahIM hai ki jo nirAlaMba ko sparza kara ske| cAroM ora eTama bama phaTa rahe hoM aura vaha unake bIca meM ho, phira bhI nirAlaMba ko sparza nahIM kara skeNge| nirAlaMba vahI kevalajJAna svarUpI AtmA gajasukumAra mUla AtmA ke AdhAra para sigar3I kA tApa jhela sake the| manuSya aisA prayoga karake dekhe to sahI? are, koI jJAnI bhI aisA nahIM kara skte| gajasukumAra ko to aMtima mUlabhUta AtmA prApta ho gayA thA, neminAtha bhagavAna se prApta huA thaa| praznakartA : neminAtha bhagavAna ne gajasukumAra ko jo jJAna diyA thA, kyA vaha bahuta hI alaga prakAra kA jJAna thA? dAdAzrI : hameM usa prakAra kA jJAna hai lekina zarIra kI utanI sthiratA nahIM hai kyoMki unakI to bhagavAna se hI bAta huI thii| neminAtha bhagavAna kI kRpA utarI thI siidhii| varnA jJAna to, jo hamAre pAsa hai, vahI jJAna thaa| aMtima jnyaan|

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382 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : to phira vaha kauna sA jJAna thA? dAdAzrI : khuda ke mUla svarUpa kA jnyaan| praznakartA : nirAlaMba AtmA, unheM pUrNataH prApta ho gayA thA? dAdAzrI : carama sthiti vAlA nirAlaMba AtmA hI prApta ho gayA thA, varnA sigar3I jalAne para AtmA hAz2ira nahIM raha paataa| kahIM aura hI calA jaataa| carama AtmA kA matalaba yaha nahIM hai, vaha nahIM hai, phalA~ nahIM hai, yaha nahIM, vaha nhiiN| yaha nahIM, vaha nahIM, vaha nahIM, vaha nahIM, vaha nahIM... vh| bhagavAna tU kaisA nirAlaMba! bhagavAna ne unheM samajhAyA thA ki, "bahuta bar3A upasarga A par3e taba 'zuddhAtmA', 'zuddhAtmA' mata krnaa| zuddhAtmA to sthUla svarUpa hai, zabda rUpI hai, usa samaya to sUkSma svarUpa meM cale jaanaa|" unhoMne pUchA, 'sUkSma svarUpa kyA hai ?' taba bhagavAna ne samajhAyA thA ki, 'sirpha kevalajJAna hI hai, anya koI bhI cIz2a nhiiN'| gajasukumAra ne pUchA, 'mujhe kevalajJAna kA artha smjhaaie'| bhagavAna ne samajhAyA, 'kevalajJAna, vaha to AkAza jaisA sUkSma hai, jabaki agni sthUla hai| jo sthUla hai, vaha sUkSma ko kabhI bhI nahIM jalA sktaa| mArA jAe, kATA jAe, jalAyA jAe taba bhI khuda ke kevalajJAna svarUpa para koI bhI asara nahIM ho sktaa'| jaba gajasukumAra ke mAthe para aMgAre dhadhaka rahe the taba unhoMne kahA 'maiM kevalajJAna svarUpa hU~' aura tabhI khopar3I phaTa gaI, lekina una para koI bhI asara nahIM huA! 'zuddhAtmA' zabda to sirpha saMjJA hI hai| usakI vajaha se 'maiM zuddha hI hU~, trikAla zuddha hI hU~', isa saMjJA meM raha pAte haiN| zuddhatA ke prati niHzaMkatA utpanna ho jAe, usake bAda vAlA pada hai 'kevalajJAna svarUpa' 'apanA'! Apa (mahAtmA) 'zuddhAtmA' ke rUpa meM rahate ho, hama 'kevalajJAna' rUpa meM rahate haiM! pUre varlDa kA adbhuta puruSa hai 'yaha !' 'kevalajJAna svarUpI' AtmA ko jAna liyA, usI ko 'jAnanA' kahate haiN|

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[6] nirAlaMba 383 'kevalajJAna svarUpa' arthAt 'ebsalyUTa' jJAna svarUpa hai| kevalajJAna AkAza jaisA hai| AkAza jaisA svabhAva hai, arUpI hai! AtmA AkAza jaisA sUkSma hai| AkAza ko yadi agni sparza kare to vaha jalatA nahIM hai| agni sthUla hai| bAkI sabhI cIjeM AtmA kI tulanA meM sthUla haiM ! kevalajJAna svarUpa kaisA dikhAI detA hai ? pUre deha meM sirpha AkAza jitanA hI bhAga khuda kA dikhAI detA hai| sirpha AkAza hI dikhAI detA hai, anya kucha bhI nahIM dikhAI detaa| usameM koI mUrta cIz2a nahIM hotii| yoM dhIre-dhIre abhyAsa karate jAnA hai| anAdikAla ke an-abhyAsa ko 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke kahane se abhyAsa hotA jAtA hai| abhyAsa ho jAne para zuddha ho jAegA! gajasukumAra ne jo AtmA prApta kiyA thA, vaha AtmA hamAre pAsa hai aura tIrthaMkaroM ke pAsa bhI vahI AtmA thaa| vaha AtmA aisA hai ki isa kAla meM kisI ko prApta nahIM ho sktaa| bAta sahI hai| zuddhAtmA se Age bar3hA, to bhI bahuta ho gyaa| zabda se Age bar3hA ki 'yaha to zabda kA avalaMbana hai' itanA samajhane lagA to vaha vahA~ se nirAlaMba kI tarapha jaaegaa| phira vaha niraMtara nirAlaMba kI tarapha jaaegaa| zuddhAtmA bhI zabda hai na, avalaMbana zabda kA hai jabaki mUla zuddhAtmA aisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : ye sabhI mahAtmA jo haiM, ve sabhI usa kakSA taka pahu~ca sakeMge na? dAdAzrI : vaha to kabhI na kabhI pahu~canA hI par3egA, aura kucha nahIM hai| yaha kakSA kaba prApta hogI? jaba tIrthaMkara ko dekheMge aura darzana kareMge to vaha kakSA (sthiti) ho hI jAegI! sirpha darzana se hI vaha kakSA utpanna ho jaaegii| Age kI kakSA to sirpha tIrthaMkaroM ke darzana karane se, unakI sthiratA ko dekhane se, unake prema ko dekhane se to utpanna ho jaaegii| vaha zAstroM dvArA kiyA jAe to utpanna nahIM ho sakatI, vaha to dekhane se hI ho jAtA hai| jinheM khuda kA AdhAra prApta ho gayA hai, ve sabhI jJAnI haiN| phira

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384 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) ve nirAlaMba ho skeNge| mujhe isa pudgala ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| aba taya ho gayA hai ki mujhe isake, pudgala ke avalaMbana kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| usa avalaMbana ke binA hI maiM pAra utara jaauuNgaa| isake bAvajUda bhI abhI taka pudgala kA avalaMbana lenA par3a rahA hai| vaha to abhI pichalA hisAba hai lekina taya ho gayA hai ki pudgala kA avalaMbana nahIM hogA to clegaa| phira ve nirAlaMba hone lgeNge| jo pudgala kA avalaMbana nahIM leM, ve paramAtmA haiN| jo khuda ke AdhAra para jIe, ve paramAtmA haiN| jo pudgala ke AdhAra para jIe, vaha manuSya hai (jiivaatmaa)| / aura vaha AtmA, jise tIrthaMkaroM ne jJAna meM dekhA haiM, vahI carama AtmA hai aura usa AtmA ko maiMne dekhA hai aura jAnA hai| vaha AtmA aisA hai ki pUrNa rUpa se nirbhaya banA sake, saMpUrNa vItarAga rakha sake, lekina abhI taka mujhe saMpUrNa rUpa se anubhava nahIM huA hai| kyoMki, kevalajJAna nahIM hone kI vajaha se mujhe saMpUrNa anubhava nahIM huA hai| itanI sI kamI hai| bAkI, vaha AtmA to jAnane yogya hai ! __ hamAre koI AlaMbana nahIM haiN| vaha isa kAla meM dekhane ko milA na, nirAlaMba! rAga-dveSa rahita jIvana dekhane ko milaa| gassA Ane ke bAvajUda bhI krodha nahIM khlaataa| parigraha hone ke bAvajUda aparigrahI aisA apanA jIvana dekhane ko milaa| praznakartA : dAdA ne kahA hai ki tIrthaMkaroM ne jo AtmA dekhA hai aura jo anubhava kiyA hai vaisA hI hamane anubhava kiyA hai| to vaha kyA vastu hai? dAdAzrI : vaha kyA hai aura kyA nahIM, lekina hamane vaisA hI dekhA hai| praznakartA : mere lakSa (jAgRti) meM yaha rahA karatA hai lekina usa cIz2a ko ekz2ekTa yoM pakar3a nahIM paate| dAdAzrI : usameM TAima lgegaa| zuddhAtmA ke daravAz2e meM praveza kara liyA hai, isakA matalaba mokSa honA taya ho gyaa| hama (saba) AjJA meM rahate haiM, islie|

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[6] nirAlaMba 385 maiM nirAlaMba AtmA meM huuN| tIrthaMkaroM meM jaisA nirAlaMba AtmA thA, jinheM zabda kA bhI avalaMbana nahIM thA, aisA nirAlaMba AtmA aura isIlie yaha saba kAma turaMta spIDilI ho sakatA hai| phela huA tIrthaMkara hI kaho nA! praznakartA : phela kyoM ho gae? dAdAzrI : koI aisA roga rahA hogA, isiilie| roga ke binA phela nahIM ho sakate na! aura hama usa roga ko samajha gae ki vaha kauna sA roga thA! roga nikala bhI gyaa| isIlie phela hue kevalajJAna meM jJAnI do prakAra ke hote haiN| eka ve, jinhoMne zuddhAtmA svarUpa prApta kara liyA hai aura ve usake anubhava meM hI rahate haiN| lekina zuddhAtmA svarUpa zabda kA avalaMbana hai aura dUsare prakAra ke jJAnI nirAlaMba hote haiN| tIrthaMkara hI nirAlaMba hote haiN| isake bAvajUda hama bhI nirAlaMba haiN| hamAre lie zuddhAtmA svarUpa zabda meM nahIM hai| hama nirAlaMba AtmA meM haiN| jisakA koI avalaMbana hI nahIM hai| vaha zabda kA avalaMbana aura yaha nirAlaMba hai| gyArahavA~ Azcarya hai! ___ hameM isase kyA karanA hai? jaba taka avalaMbana va parAvalaMbana raheM taba taka svAvalaMbana nahIM mila sktaa| avalaMbana kA koI takiyA rakhA hogA to phira dUsarA nahIM mila skegaa| agara takiyA hI nahIM rakhA hogA to kyA vaha avalaMbana DhU~DhegA? hama nirAlaMba hokara baiThe hI haiM na! ApopuM ( potApaNuM-maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana ) calA gyaa| unake pAsa hara eka cIz2a hAz2ira rahatI hai| unake mA~gane se pahale hI, icchA hone se pahale hI cIjeM A jAtI haiN| praznakartA : sabhI bhautika cIjeM bhI mila jAtI haiM unheM? dAdAzrI : haaN| sabhI bhautik| hara eka cIz2a mila jAtI hai unheM /

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386 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rhtaa| jisa cIz2a kI icchA kare, vaha mila jAtI hai aura mehanata kitanI? icchA karane jitanI hii| bAkI saba mehanata to majadUroM ko karanI hotI hai athavA vikalpiyoM ko karanI hotI hai| nirvikalpI ko koI mehanata nahIM karanI hotii| praznakartA : phira aise vyakti kA jagat meM kisa prakAra kA pradAna rahatA hai? athavA jagat kalyANa meM unakA kyA mahatva hai? dAdAzrI : unakI upasthiti hI jagat kA kalyANa kara detI hai| upasthiti hii| prez2ansa se hI! jaba jagat kA kalyANa honA hotA hai taba ve upasthita ho jAte haiN| unakI upasthiti hI kalyANa kara detI hai| jaise ki yahA~ para garmI ke dinoM meM agara usa tarapha barpha par3I ho, daravAje ke pAsa aura hama saba daravAz2e se aMdara Ae~ to havA AtI hai| barpha kI havA kA to aMdhere meM bhI patA cala jAtA hai ki AsapAsa kahIM barpha hai| usakI upasthiti hI kAma karatI hai| isa zora zarAbA vagairaha se koI kAma nahIM hotaa| maiM kabhI bhI yoM z2ora-z2ora se bolA hI nahIM huuN| aMta meM vijJAna svarUpa bAkI, paramAtmA to nirAlaMba haiM aura ekjekTa paramAtmA haiN| jahA~ kisI bhI taraha ke avalaMbana nahIM haiM, jahA~ kucha bhI nahIM hai, jahA~ para rAga-dveSa yA zabda-vabda kucha bhI nahIM hai| vahA~ para koI zabda hI nahIM hai aura nirA AnaMda kA kaMda hai, socate hI AnaMda kA kaMda utpanna ho jAtA hai| hamane jo AtmA dekhA hai vaha, kevalajJAna svarUpa AtmA ko dekhA hai| 'nirAlaMba AtmA dekhA hai, isakA matalaba kyA hai ki vahA~ zraddhA bhI nahIM hai, vahA~ 'kevala' hai| kevalajJAna hI nirAlaMba AtmA hai| ataH hamane kevalajJAna dekhA hai| niraMtara vartanA (cAritra) meM nahIM AyA hai| Ajakala vyavahAra meM isakA jo artha cala rahA hai, kevalajJAna kA artha vaisA nahIM hai| hamane kevalajJAna dekhA hai, to vyavahAra vAlA artha galata niklaa| jahA~ para kevala hai, kevalajJAna, jahA~ para zabda bhI nahIM hai, jahA~ avalaMbana nahIM hai, vaisA upyog| mAtra ebsalyUTa jJAna! ginane vAlA bhI

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[6] nirAlaMba 387 calA gayA, varnA yaha hama 'itanA sA, itanA huA, samyak huA, phalA~ huA hai', aisA hisAba lagAne vAlA hI nikala gyaa| jise isa duniyA ke loga bhagavAna kahate haiM, usa bhagavAna kI hameM z2arUrata nahIM hai kyoMki hama nirAlaMba ho cuke haiN| Apako ye jo AjJAe~ dI haiM, unakA ArAdhana karate-karate usake phala svarUpa yaha (sthiti) Akara rhegii| usa ArAdhanA kA phala, zuddhAtmA to bana gae lekina zuddhAtmA banane ke bAda jo ArAdhana diyA hai, usake phala svarUpa asparzya aura nirAlaMbI AtmA aaegaa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, yaha to zabda kA avalaMbana hai| nirAlaMba, vahI bhagavAna haiN| praznakartA : to phira jJAna kA bhI avalaMbana nahIM rahegA, aisA hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jJAna kA avalaMbana arthAt pA~ca AjJA kA avlNbn| varnA mUla jJAna hI AtmA hai| use vijJAna svarUpa kahate haiN| saMpUrNa dazA ko vijJAna svarUpa kahate haiN|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' pahacAna, 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' kI praznakartA : yahA~ z2arA kanphyUz2ana ho gayA hai ki 360 DigrI vAle dAdA bhagavAna haiM aura 356 DigrI para aMbAlAla? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha batAtA huuN| vaha kanphyUz2ana nikAla do| dAdA bhagavAna 360, jo mUla bhagavAna haiM, vaha 'maiM' hai| hama eka udAharaNa lete haiN| rAta ko bAraha baje koI Akara bAhara se daravAz2A khaTakhaTAtA hai| taba hama pUche ki 'are bhAI, abhI kauna AyA hai rAta ke bAraha baje?' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'maiM huuN'| hama phira se pUche, 'kauna ho bhAI, batAo na?' taba kahatA hai, 'maiM hU~, maiM ! mujhe nahIM pahacAnA?' balki aisA kahatA hai| taba pUche, 'nahIM bhAI, mujhe samajha meM nahIM aayaa| kauna hai ?' taba kahatA hai, 'maiM baavaa'| 'bAvA (saMnyAsI) lekina pA~ca-sAta saMnyAsI mere paricita haiM, tuma kauna se bAvA ho, mujhe samajha meM AnA cAhie nA?! hA~, lekina bAvA arthAt kauna hai tU?' taba kahatA hai 'maiM hU~ bAvA mNgldaas'| taba vaha pahacAnatA hai| 'maiM' jaba sirpha 'maiM' kahatA hai to nahIM phcaantaa| 'maiM bAvA hU~' kahatA hai, taba lagatA hai, 'yaha vAlA bAvA AyA yA vaha vAlA bAvA AyA?' bAve to cAra-pA~ca haiN| taba kahatA hai, 'maiM, bAvA mNgldaas'| aura maMgaladAsa do-tIna hoM taba aise kahanA par3egA 'maiM maMgaladAsa, mahAdeva jI vaalaa'| paricaya to cAhie na? ataH jaba vaha 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' isa prakAra se tIna zabda kahatA hai, taba jAkara sAmane vAlA pahacAnatA hai ki hA~, vaha vAlA mNgldaas| use

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 389 taba chavi bhI dikhAI detI hai| dikhAI detI hai yA nahIM dikhAI detI? isalie jaba aisA kahA jAe ki 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' taba jAkara pahacAnatA hai vh| nahIM to, vaha pahacAnegA kaise? daravAz2A hI nahIM kholegA na! use khuda ko patA calanA cAhie na, ki kauna hai yaha? usI prakAra agara isa 'maiM' ko pahacAna liyA jAe na to hala A jaaegaa| usI prakAra se isameM jo 'maiM' hai, vaha 'AtmA' hai, yaha 'caMdUbhAI' maMgaladAsa hai aura 'bAvA' aMtarAtmA hai| Apako samajha meM AyA nA? ____ to 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA, isa deha bhAga ko Apa kahate the cNduubhaaii| Apa kisa prakAra se caMdUbhAI ho? kyA caMdUbhAI ApakA nAma nahIM hai? taba Apa kahoge, 'merA nAma hai'| 'vaha to bhAI, terA nAma alaga aura tU alaga nahIM hai?' alaga hI hai! praznakartA : to ye e. ema. paTela, ye maMgaladAsa haiM ? dAdAzrI : sirpha e. ema. paTela hI nahIM, lekina jitanA bhI saba DaoNkTara dekha sakate haiM, kATa-kATakara bArIka se bArIka jo kucha bhI dekha sakate haiM, vaha pUrA maMgaladAsa hai| itanA saba maMgaladAsa meM AtA hai| DaoNkTara do prakAra ke hote haiM na, eka to kATane vAle aura dUsare... praznakartA : phijishiyn| dAdAzrI : hA~, ataH isa zarIra meM jo phiz2ikala bhAga hai, vaha pUrA maMgaladAsa hai| maMgaladAsa ke tAbe meM kitanA hai? to kahate haiM, itanA phiz2ikala (bhautika) aura phira vaha bhI apane tAbe meM nahIM hai| ataH usakA samabhAva se nikAla karanA hai| usakI kyA sthiti hogI', vaha saba vyavasthita hai| ataH Apako vyavasthita samajhakara samabhAva se nikAla karanA hai! jo badalatA hai, vaha hai 'bAvA' caMdUbhAI ko tU kyA kahegA? taba kahatA hai, 'vaha caMdUbhAI maiM huuN'| taba yadi hama pUche, 'kyA usa bacce ke pApA nahIM ho?' taba kahatA hai,

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) 'bacce kA pApA bhI huuN'| taba hama pUche ki 'to isa strI ke pati nahIM ho? taba kahatA hai, 'bhAI pati bhI maiM hI hU~ ?' to inameM se sahI kyA hai ? kyA karekTa hai? maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| ata : yaha jo maMgaladAsa hai, jaba taka 'use' nAma se pahacAnate haiM taba taka vaha maMgaladAsa hai| vaha khuda bhI jAnatA hai ki maiM maMgaladAsa hU~, taba taka vaha maMgaladAsa hai| bAvA, kriyA ke adhIna bAvA kahalAtA hai aura mUla rUpa se to 'maiM' hI hai| 'maiM' galata nahIM hai| 'maiM' kA upayoga dUsarI jagaha huA hai, vaha galata hai! jo 'maMgaladAsa' hai, vaha jIvAtmA hai| 'bAvA' aMtarAtmA hai aura 'maiM' khuda paramAtmA hai| praznakartA : eka hI vyakti tIna prakAra se ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : hai hI tIna prakAra se| jaba ye loga kaoNleja meM par3hate haiM taba ye kyA kahalAte haiM ? praznakartA : sTUDenTa, vidyaarthii| dAdAzrI : dUsare dina jaba usakI zAdI ho, taba vahI vidyArthI jaba zAdI karane jAtA hai to vahA~ use kyA kahate haiM ? duulhaa| are bhAI, vidyArthI ko dUlhA kyoM kaha rahe ho sbhii| taba saba loga kyA kahate haiM ? are bhAI, abhI to dUlhA hai| vidyArthI to taba thA jaba taka vaha skUla meM thA, yahA~ para nahIM hai| yahA~ para to dUlhA hai aura zAdI karane se pahale agara kucha ho jAe aura patnI vahIM para mara jAe, to phira kyA hogA? kyA vaha dUlhA rahegA? bArAta ke sAtha vaaps| riTarna vida thenksa! ataH jo cIz2a paristhiti para AdhArita hai, vaha bAvA hai| bAvA arthAt yahA~ para kitane solisiTara banate haiN| to bAvA hI solisiTara hai| vaha bAvA aura yaha solisittr| vaha bAvA aura yaha smdhii| bAvA to bAhara logoM se kahA jA sakatA hai lekina dUsarI jagaha para to yadi usakA jamAI Ae to kyA vaha use bAvA kahegA? nhiiN|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' vahA~ para to kahatA hai, 'maiM sasura hU~' / saMyogoM ke anusAra khuda ko jo kucha badalanA par3atA hai, vaha saba bAvA meM jAtA hai / jaba jamAI Ae taba sasura kahalAte haiM lekina sasura Ae~ to hama unake jamAI kahalAte haiM / jamAI ke marane para jo sasura banA hai, use usakA AghAta lagegA / usase AtmA ko kyA lenA-denA ? 391 praznakartA : arthAt jaise saMyoga Ate haiM usI anusAra bAvA kI bilIpha badala jAtI hai yA bAvA badalatA hai ? dAdAzrI : bAvA badalatA hI rahatA hai / jo badalatA rahe vahI kahalAtA hai bAvA jabaki nAma vahI kA vahI rahatA hai / nAma jo hai vaha vizeSaNa vAlA hai| yaha vaha maMgala hai, pahacAnA? vaha laMgar3A, nahIM ? vizeSaNa hote haiM usake, lekina mUlataH vaha hotA hai maMgala kA maMgala hI lekina bhAI vAstava meM kauna hai ? taba kahatA hai, jo aisA mAnatA hai, 'maiM maMgala hI hU~', vaha 'bAvA' hai / ataH bAvA badalatA rahatA hai| 'maiM kalekTara hU~, maiM pradhAnamaMtrI, maiM presiDenTa oNpha inDiyA', vaha badalatA rahatA hai| eka sTeja meM nahIM rahatA jabaki maMgaladAsa janma se lekara Akhira meM marane taka vahI kA vahI maMgaladAsa hI rahatA hai / 'maiM' AtmA vahI kA vahI hai / ina sArI balAoM ne jakar3a liyA hai| samadhI hU~, mAmA hU~, cAcA hU~, taraha-taraha ke pAza haiM ye to| vakIla bhI kahalAtA hU~ / vakAlatapana, vaha bAvApana kahalAtA hai / vahI maMgaladAsa aura maiM / isa 'maiM' ko pahacAnanA thaa| bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ko pahacAnA to phaz2ItA ho gyaa| 'maiM' ko pahacAna liyA isalie phaz2ItA baMda ho gyaa| ye saba, eka hI haiN| aisA hai yaha to ! Apa caMdUbhAI ho ? hA~ / taba agara pUcheM, 'lekina caMdUbhAI kauna se ?' taba kahatA hai 'iMjIniyara' / oho ! Apa caMdUbhAI aura phira iMjIniyara ho| jabaki vaha kyA kahatA hai ? 'maiM bAvA huuN|' to aba 'Apa' samajha gae ki iMjIniyara bhI nahIM hai aura caMdUbhAI bhI nahIM hai| 'maiM' zuddhAtmA hU~ kahA to aba isa tarapha calA aura maiM kauna ? maiM zuddhAtmA

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392 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) huuN| maMgaladAsa nAmadhArI hai, vaha isa saMsAra vyavahAra ko calAtA hai| khAtA hai, pItA hai, sotA hai, uThatA hai, ghUmatA-phiratA hai| ___bAvA arthAt cAhe koI bhI ho, sTora vAlA yA kisAna yA naukara yA pulisa vAlA yA jo vyApAra karatA hai vh| phira aMdara jo ulTA-sulTA karatA hai, pichalA DiscArja karatA hai aura nayA cArja karatA hai| yaha jo cArja aura DiscArja karatA rahatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| ataH 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' hai yaha jgt| sabhI kahate haiM, 'maiM bAvA mNgldaas'| are lekina bhAI, vAstava meM tU kauna hai ? tU kyoM bAvA kahalAtA hai usakA koI kAraNa hogA na? koI kahegA ki kisAna hai| 'are bhAI, kisAna kyoM hai lekina?' taba kahatA hai, 'merI z2amIna hai, baila haiM, isalie kisAna huuN'| aura yaha jo phaujadAra hai, vaha kisAna nahIM kahalAtA aura jo phaujadArI karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| yaha udAharaNa apropieTa (ucita) hai? praznakartA : ekjekTa (yathArtha) hai daadaa| dAdAzrI : yaha jo zarIra hai, vaha aMbAlAla hai| bAvA kauna hai ? yaha vahI hai jo jJAnI hai aura maiM kauna? AtmA! ataH ye jJAnI bAvA hI kahalAe~ge na ! maiM bAvA maMgaladAsa! koI kahe, 'are tInoM eka hii'| taba kaheMge, 'eka hii'| dekho ye tInoM eka sAtha haiM na! kahate haiM na! maiM caMdUbhAI lohA bAz2Ara vaalaa'| 'tU eka hI hai yA Apa donoM alaga ho?' alaga nahIM samajhate! vaha khAne vAlA maMgaladAsa hai| khuda aura vaha, donoM alaga haiM lekina bhAna hI nahIM hai na! hama kaise eka zabda para se tIna logoM ko samajha ge| maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| bAvA arthAt usakA kAmakAja, yaha jo Diz2Aina hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai| ye sabhI khela kisake haiM? jo saMsAra kI khaTapaTa karatA hai yA phira jo mokSa kI khaTapaTa karatA hai vaha bAvA hai| lekina vaha bAvA hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| samajha meM Ae aisI bAta hai na?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ' praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : phira vApasa haiM eka ke eka hI ki maiM, bAvA, maMgaladAsa / maMgaladAsa, vaha 'caMdUbhAI' nAmadhArI hai aura yaha jo sAMsArika hai, vaha bAvA hai aura AtmA, 'maiM' hai! maiM zuddhAtmA hU~ aura ye saba baavaa| 'isane mujhe gAlI dI', to gAlI dene vAlA bhI bAvA aura gAlI sunane vAlA bhI baavaa| ye saba khela, sabhI taraha-taraha ke romAnsa / vaha bAvA hai aura 'caMdUbhAI' maMgaladAsa hai| bAvA arthAt jo khela karatA hai / jahA~ jAe vahA~ para khela to rahatA hI hai na ? praznakartA : ye sAre khela bAvA hI karavAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~ bAvA karavAtA hai / praznakartA : aura jaba vahI bAvA kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to vApasa zuddhAtmA bhI bana jAtA hai I dAdAzrI : haaN| bana jAtA hai / praznakartA : 'AtmA aisA hai ki jaisA ciMtavana karatA hai vaisA hI bana jAtA hai|' to kyA vaha bAta isa bAvA kI hai ? bAvA vaisA bana jAtA hai ? 393 dAdAzrI : haaN| khuda jaisA citraNa karatA hai, jaise agara kahe 'hameM romAnsa hI karanA hai' to vaisA hI bana jAtA hai / 'hameM mokSa meM jAnA hai' to vaisA bana jAtA hai| taya karanA caahie| tUne kyA taya kiyA hai ? praznakartA : mokSa meM jAnA hai| dAdAzrI : aba bAvA kisa bhAga ko kahate haiM, vaha samajha gae na Apa? ye sATha sAla kI, assI sAla kI, nabbe sAla kI, yaha sattara sAla kI, bUr3hI, par3hI-likhI, anapar3ha, vidhavA, vivAhita, vaha saba bAvA meM jAtA hai| jo bekAra hai, barakata nahIM hai, vaha saba bAvA meM / barakata vAlA hai, vaha bhI bAvA meN| sabakucha bAvA / jisakI avasthA badalatI rahatI hai, vaha saba bAvA hai / TheTha taka, mokSa meM jAne taka, maiM, bAvA aura I

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394 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) mNgldaas| 'maiM' AtmA hai| 'maiM' jAnatA hai ki bAvA kaisA hai aura kaisA nhiiN| nahIM jAnatA? praznakartA : sabakucha jAnatA hai| dAdAzrI : phira maMgaladAsa ko maMgalI milatI hai| maMgaladAsa aura maMgalI kI zAdI hotI hai| maMgaladAsa ko pahacAnA kyA? maMgaladAsa aura maMgalI lekina donoM maMgaladAsa! bAvA kauna hai? taba kahate haiM, jo maMgaladAsa ke rUpa ko (buddhi) dekhatI hai, vh| ataH maMgaladAsa ke sAtha usakA saMbaMdha banatA hai| lenA-denA kucha bhI nahIM hai aura maMgaladAsa kI uttejanA bAvA meM ghusa jAtI hai| uttejanA maMgaladAsa meM hai, aura bAvA mAna letA rAta ko agara phira vAipha ke sAtha jhagar3A karake so jAe, to use mana meM aisA hotA hai ki 'aba kaba mere zikaMje meM aaegii'| dekho bAvA kyA-kyA karatA hai? praznakartA : sabhI kucha karatA hai| dAdAzrI : bAvA ko patA nahIM hai ki vaha yaha kyA kara rahA hai ! use bhAna nahIM hai ki isakA kyA riekzana AegA! strI hai to bhI bAvA, puruSa hai to bhI baavaa| bUr3hA hai to bhI bAvA hai, javAna hai to bhI bAvA, beTA naMgA ghUme to bhI baavaa| peTa meM ho taba bhI baavaa| udAharaNa apropieTa hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : sahI hai daadaa| dAdAzrI : kauna sI pustaka meM milegA? yaha buddhikalA kA nahIM hai, yaha jJAnakalA kA hai| buddhikalA meM AtmA kI kalA nahIM A sktii| aba 'bAvA' ko pahacAna loge yA nahIM? praznakartA : pahacAna leNge| dAdAzrI : 'maiM' jAnatA hai yA nahIM jAnatA?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna- 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ' praznakartA : sabakucha jAnatA hai| dAdAzrI : 'bAvA' kaisA hai kaisA nahIM ? phira agara 'maiM' 'bAvA' bana jAe to ho cukA ! abhI taka Apa aise hI the / 395 aba maMgaladAsa kauna hai ? jo nAmadhArI thA na, yaha nAma-rUpa, yaha sArA phiz2ikala ! aura isa phiz2ikala ke alAvA sUkSma se lekara aMta taka kA bAvA / praznakartA: phira, jo krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha karatA hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba bAvA / krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha hote haiM taba bhI bAvA hai aura krodha-: - mAna-mAyA - lobha ko jIta le, taba bhI bAvA / jIta le to saMyamI kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : bAvA hI saMyamI kahalAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~ ! saMyamI arthAt vaha asaMyama nahIM karatA, isalie vaha vizeSaNa milaa| jisake vizeSaNa badalate raheM, vaha bAvA hai / do mana : 'bAvA' kA aura 'maMgaladAsa' kA eka mana bAvA kA hai aura eka mana maMgaladAsa kA hai| deyara Ara TU maaindds| maMgaladAsa ko jo vicAra Ate haiM, bAvA unheM dekha sakatA hai / ataH jina vicAroM ko bAvA dekha sakatA hai, vaha mana bAvA kA nahIM hai aura jisa mana ko jAna nahIM pAtA, vaha bAvA kA hai| jo usakA khuda kA mana hai, use vaha khuda nahIM jAna sakatA / vaha to, jaba koI samajhAe taba / praznakartA : to jaba bAvA mana meM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai, taba use vaha jAna nahIM sakatA ? dAdAzrI : mana meM jo vicAra Ate haiM, bAvA unameM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai, taba phira vaha maMgaladAsa bana jAtA hai aura agalA janma utpanna hotA (milatA) hai| ataH mana sApha nahIM ho pAtA lekina yadi bAvA

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396 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) alaga rahakara dekhe aura jAne to mana sApha hotA jAtA hai| ataH mana kA utanA nukasAna kama ho gyaa| loga kahate haiM ki AtmA ekAkAra ho jAtA hai lekina AtmA to basa bAta karane taka hI, ye loga kahate haiM, utanA hii| bAvA hI ekAkAra hotA hai| bAvA kA mana, bhAva mn| bhAva, vaha saba bAvA hai aura jo dravya hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai! vaha jo bhAva mana hai, vaha khuda kI sattA meM hai| (ajJAna dazA meM) lIkeja ho rahA ho to, (kramika mArga meM aisA hI hotA hai) hama use baMda kara sakate haiN| bhAva mana 'lIkeja' hai, saMyogoM ke AdhAra pr| aba bhAva mana kA artha kyA hai ? 'maiM kartA hU~', vahIM se bhAva mana kI zuruAta hotI hai aura agara 'maiM akartA hU~' to bhAva baMda ho jaaeNge| sthUla mana maMgaladAsa meM AtA hai aura sUkSma mana bAvA meM AtA hai| jo phira se janma dilavAtA hai, vaha bAvA kA mana hai| hamane bAvA kA vaha mana nikAla diyA hai isalie phira vaha sthUla mana hI kAma karatA hai| hamane use dekhane kA kahA hai| praznakartA : sthUla mana ko dekhane vAlA bhI bAvA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : dekhane vAlA bAvA hI hai n| jo dekhatA hai vaha bAvA hai| use jAnane vAlA kauna hai prajJAzakti / vaha bAta TheTha AtmA taka pahu~ca gaI, yAnI ki 'dekhnaa'| bAvA sirpha dekhane kA kAma nahIM kara sktaa| bAvA yadi isa taraha 'dekhe' to vaha bAvA nahIM hai| ataH vahA~ para prajJAzakti kA kAma hai| dekhane aura jAnane kA kAma prajJAzakti karatI hai| bAvA jAnatA z2arUra hai ki yaha jo dekha aura jAna rahA hai (Atma dRSTi se jJAtAdRSTA) vaha merA svabhAva nahIM hai; maiM (bAvA) to sirpha itanA jAnatA hU~ ki 'maMgaladAsa kyA kara rahA hai'| praznakartA : yadi prajJA hI dekhatI aura jAnatI hai, taba to isa bAvA kA ekz2isTansa rahA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : lekina jaba taka prajJA dekhatI va jAnatI hai taba taka bAvA rahatA hai| vaha prajJA bAvA ko bhI dekhatI va jAnatI hai|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 397 praznakartA : Apane akartA pada meM rakha diyA hai usake bAda kyA bAvA mana meM tanmayAkAra ho sakatA hai ? phira kaise hotA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, phira khuda kI aisI mAnyatA nahIM rahatI ki 'maiM bAvA hU~', isalie akartA / ataH aba jo kucha bhI maMgaladAsa karatA hai, usakI jimmedArI apanI nahIM rahI kyoMki una saba kA nikAla ho jaaegaa| phira se usakA riekzana nahIM aaegaa| akartA bana jAegA kyoMki 'vahI' kartA thA, isalie riekzana A rahA thaa| praznakartA : maMgaladAsa cAhe koI bhI kriyA kare yA phira usakA mana vicAra kare lekina aba bAvA tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA na? dAdAzrI : vaha to, bAtoM meM aisA kahate haiN| AcaraNa meM aisA rahanA muzkila hai na! vaha to dhIre-dhIre, dhIre-dhIre aaegaa| ise to bahuta dinoM meM pahacAnA na, tanmayAkArapana ekadama se jAtA nahIM hai na! tIrthaMkara, vaha hai karma koI pUche, 'aba cetana kA bhAga kauna sA hai? cetana kauna se bhAga meM AtA hai ?' 'kyA tIrthaMkara, vahI cetana hai?' taba kahate haiM, 'nahIM, tIrthaMkara cetana nahIM hai| vaha karma hai| nAma karma hai vh| taba koI pUche, 'kyA tIrthaMkara kA avatAra cetana hai ?' to kahate haiM, 'nahIM, cetana nahIM hai'| ina saba ko jo jAnatA hai vaha 'cetana' kahalAtA hai| ataH yaha duniyA vidAuTa cetana calatI rahatI hai| cetana, sarkala (sAMsArika avasthAe~) se bAhara khar3A hai| pyora! usakI upasthiti se hI cala rahA hai| usa 'pyoriTI' kA patA hameM kaba calatA hai ? sabhI sarkalsa ko pahacAna lene ke baad| sarkala meM merApana na kare to pyora ho jAegA! praznakartA : pudgala kI sabhI avasthAe~ 'sarkala' mAnI jAe~gI? dAdAzrI : sabhI avasthAe~ lekina logoM ko isakA bhAna hI nahIM hai na! cetana ke binA kaise cala sakatA hai yaha? patA kaise calegA ki cetana ke bagaira cala rahA hai yaha? zAstra kaise sIkheMge? samyak jJAna kisa

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398 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) taraha se hogA? samyak jJAna kA matalaba kyA hai? samyak darzana arthAt aisI zraddhA baiThanA ki maiM ina sabhI sarkalsa ke bAhara hU~! _ataH yadi logoM ko aura saMtoM se pUche, 'isameM bhagavAna kyA karate haiM?' to ve sabhI ko samajhAte haiM ki 'bhagavAna ina logoM kA bhalA karate haiN'| jo aisA samajhAtA hai, vaha bhI cetana nahIM hai| vaha to sarkala hai| jo samajhAne vAle ko bhI jAnatA hai, 'maiM tIrthaMkara hU~' 'jo' aisA jAnatA hai, vaha 'AtmA' hai| ye jo tIrthaMkara haiM, ve AtmA nahIM haiM! yaha bAta kI kisane? cetana ne nahIM, vaha bhI bAvA ne kI hai aura sunane vAlA bhI bAvA hai| sarkala vAlA bAvA, kisI eka khAsa sarkala taka pahu~cane para use patA calatA hai ki yahA~ se samudra naz2adIka honA caahie| jaba use aisA patA calatA hai ki 'aba hama sarkala se bAhara kI leka meM A gae haiM', taba use samakita kahate haiM aura taba yaha zraddhA baiTha jAtI hai| phira jaise-jaise naz2adIka jAte haiM vaise-vaise use usakA 'jJAna' hotA jAtA hai ki vAstava meM yahI hai| yaha sarkala se bAhara hai| ataH jisakA koI vizeSaNa nahIM hotA, vahA~ para mUla 'maiM' hai ! 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA bhI vizeSaNa nahIM hai| abhI to yaha zuddhAtmA bhI vizeSaNa hai, AtmA kA zuddha svarUpa! usase bhI Age jAnA hai lekina yadi zuddhAtmA bana gae to bhI bahuta ho gyaa| jo 345 DigrI se Age gayA use aisA nahIM kahanA par3atA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| usake bAda Age jAnA hai ! __ bAvA svarUpa kI zuruAta kahA~ se hotI hai? jo AtmA ke sammukha ho gae haiM, jIvAtmA kI dazA se nikalakara Atma sammukha ho gae haiM, ve loga bAvA svarUpa meM Ate haiN| isIlie usake bAda ve ebsalyUTa taka jAte haiN| ataH yaha bIca vAlA... bAvA kI sthiti yaha hai| praznakartA : bAvA jAna nahIM sakatA? dAdAzrI : vaha 'jAnane vAlA' hI hai, vaha jAnatA z2arUra hai lekina yaha 'jAnane vAlA' bAvA hai ki 'yaha AtmA jAnatA hai'| agara (aisA kaheM ki) bAvA jAnatA hai to phira AtmA raha jaaegaa| jaba taka aisA mikscara

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' hai ki sabakucha karatA hai aura jAnatA bhI hai, taba taka bAvA hai aura jo sirpha jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| jAnane vAlA mUlataH AtmA hI hai| praznakartA : kauna sA AtmA jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : jAnane vAlA AtmA, shuddhaatmaa| mUla AtmA to jo bhagavAna haiM, vahI haiN| praznakartA : bAvA aura maMgaladAsa, kyA zuddhAtmA una donoM kA jJAtA-dRSTA hI rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : donoM kA kyA? donoM ke aMdara jitane bhAga haiM, una sabhI ko dekhatA va jAnatA hai| praznakartA : kyA bAvA sirpha maMgaladAsa kA hI jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : bAvA to jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hI nahIM hai| jJAtA-dRSTA to zuddhAtmA hI hai| usake alAvA anya koI jJAtA-dRSTA hai hI nhiiN| isameM bhI sabakucha dekhatA hai| ye sabhI cIjeM, jo A~khoM se dikhAI detI haiM. ve sabhI zuddhAtmA kI vajaha se dikhAI detI haiN| varnA, bAvA meM to aisA kucha hai hI nahIM, zakti hI nahIM hai na! bAvA to aMdhA hai (aisA samajhanA hai ki bAvA mAtra mAnatA hai ki maiM dekhatA hU~ aura jAnatA hU~ ataH isa prakAra se vaha dekhane va jAnane vAlA (jJAtA-dRSTA) banatA hai| vAstava meM to mUla AtmA hI dekhane va jAnane vAlA hai aura kartA sAinTiphika sarakamasTenzyila eviDensa hai| jaba maMgaladAsa sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala ke AdhAra para karatA hai, taba bAvA mAnatA hai ki maiM kara rahA huuN| isa prakAra bAvA kartA aura jJAtA donoM hI banatA hai, mAnyatA ke AdhAra pr|) __maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa, tIna bAteM samajha jAe to saba samajha meM A jAegA ki maMgaladAsa kauna hai ? maiM kauna hU~ aura bAvA kauna hai? aba maMgaladAsa to dIye jaisI sApha-sApha bAta hai| jo bAhara dikhAI detA hai, vaha kauna hai? to vaha hai mNgldaas| jisakI haDDiyA~ dikhAI detI haiM vaha kauna hai ? to vaha hai mNgldaas| jo dikhAI nahIM detA, vaha bAvA hai|

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : yaha jo bhUkha lagatI hai, pyAsa lagatI hai, ve aisI cIjeM nahIM haiM ki dekhI jA skeN| aMdara jo hotA hai, vaha apane Apa hI hotA hai / to vaha kise hotA hai aura use kauna dekha sakatA hai? Apane aisA kahA thA ki 'hama jaba bhojana karate haiM to sabakucha dekha sakate haiN| bhojana pacatA hai, use bhI dekha sakate haiM / hama sabakucha apane se bilkula alagaalaga dekha sakate haiM', to aisA kaise dikhAI detA hai, kauna dekha sakatA hai? isameM jJAtA-dRSTA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : are, AtmA ke sivA koI bhI vastu jJAtA - dRSTA nahIM ho sktii| 400 praznakartA : bAvA ko bAvA kA astitva khatma karane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie ? dAdAzrI : aba astitva utpanna ho sake, aisA hai hI nhiiN| yadi bAvA ke pakSa meM nahIM baiTheMge to bAvA ke bacce nahIM hoNge| jaba koI 'tujhe' gAlI de, usa kSaNa yadi tU khuda kA rakSaNa na kare taba vaha saba phira se hogA hI nahIM / jo mokSa DhU~Dha rahA hai : mokSa svarUpa hai, vahI! praznakartA : mokSa meM kise jAnA hai ? dAdAzrI : jo baMdhA huA hai, use / jise duHkha hotA hai, use / praznakartA : arthAt pudgala ko ? I dAdAzrI : jo pUcha rahA hai, use / jise mukta honA hai, vh| aba mukta kise honA hai ? Apako mukta honA hai ? praznakartA: haaN| dAdAzrI : Apa to apane Apako mAna baiThe the ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI huuN'| galata nikalA na sArA ? Apa apane Apako pahale jo mAnate the ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 401 jo Apa ho, vaha mukta honA cAhatA hai| pUchane vAle ko hI mukta honA hai| kise mukta honA hai? zAdI karane vAlA agara aisA pUche ki 'kise zAdI karanI hai ?' taba loga kyA kaheMge, 'terI hI zAdI honI hai na!' Apa apane Apako jo kucha bhI mAnate ho na, vahI Apa ho| use mukta honA hai| yadi ahaMkAra ko chUTanA hai to tU kauna hai? pUchane vAlA kauna hai? pUchate samaya aisA nahIM kaha skte| yoM hI bAta karanI ho to aisA lagegA ki bhAI aba, ahaMkAra ko mukta honA hai| pUchate samaya bhrama hotA hai| jo ahaMkAra karake ku~vArA thA, vahI aisA kahatA thA ki mujhe zAdI karanI hai aura jaba usakI zAdI hone lage, taba agara vApasa pUche ki 'kise zAdI karanI hai', taba hameM kahanA par3egA ki 'kyA ahaMkAra ko zAdI karanI hai ? to tU kauna hai ?' isalie mujhe aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki 'tujhe zAdI karanI hai'| pUchane vAle ko hI zAdI karanI hai| praznakartA : jJAnIpuruSa arthAt e.ema.paTela? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| e.ema.paTela to yaha baoNDI hai| hama jJAnIpuruSa haiN| jJAnIpuruSa arthAt jo 'Ai' Develapa hote-hote-hote, jo 'Ai' rahita Develapa ho gayA hai! do hI bAteM haiM, tIsarA koI hai hI nhiiN| eka vaha hai jo mokSa DhUMDha rahA thA aura eka bhagavAna haiN| ve, jo mokSa svarUpa hokara baiThe haiN| pudgala bhI bana jAtA hai bhagavAna yaha saMsAra kyA hai? DevelapamenTa kA pravAha hai eka prakAra kaa| arthAt vaha pravAha usa taraha se calatA rahatA hai| usameM zUnyatA se lekara DevelapamenTa bar3hatA hI jAtA hai| vaha kaisA DevelapamenTa hotA hai? to vaha yaha hai ki AtmA to mUla jagaha para hI hai lekina yaha vyavahAra AtmA itanA adhika Develapa hotA jAtA hai ki mahAvIra bhagavAna hue| vaha pudgala bhagavAna bana gyaa| kyA aisA svIkAra hotA hai ki pudgala bhagavAna bana gayA? praznakartA : hA~ banA hI hai na! banatA hI hai na! dekha sakate haiN|

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402 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : hamArA pudgala aisA nahIM haiM ki pUrNa rUpa se bhagavAna pada dikhaae| ataH hama manA karate haiM ki 'hama bhagavAna nahIM haiM' lekina isakA kyA artha hai ki yaha pUrNa pada nahIM dikhAtA? 'Aie caMdUbhAI', inheM isa taraha se bulAte haiM, to vaha saba kyA hai? kyA ye bhagavAna ke lakSaNa haiM? aura dUsarA, kaI bAra hama bhArI zabda bhI bola dete haiN| hameM khuda ko bhI samajha meM AtA hai ki yaha bhUla ho rahI hai| aisA pUrI taraha se samajha meM AtA hai, eka bAla jitanA bhI kucha aisA nahIM nikala jAtA ki jaba hameM hamArI bhUla na dikhAI deN| bhUla hotI hai lekina turaMta hI patA cala jAtA hai| vaha DevelapamenTa kI kamI hai, bhagavAna banane meN| ataH hama manA karate haiN| bhagavAna bananA arthAt sAre AcAra-vicAra, sabhI kriyAe~ bhagavAna jaisI hI lgeN| taba kyA hotA haiM ? AtmA to AtmA hI hai, zarIra bhagavAna banA hai, usI ko DevelapamenTa kahate haiN| Apa abhI itane DevelapamenTa taka pahu~ce ho, aba itanA DevelapamenTa bAkI rahA ki deha bhI bhagavAna bana jaae| vaha vaisA banatA hI jA rahA hai, logoM kA (sabhI mahAtmAoM kA) aisA hI ho rahA hai| agara saMyoga ulTe mileM to unameM se kitane hI nIce bhI cale jAte haiM ! hama roz2a hamArA dekha lete haiM ki eka akSara bhI kisI ke prati virodha na ho hmaaraa| kisI ke sAtha bilkula bhI mela na khAe cAhe vaha ulTA bole taba bhI usake prati virodha nahIM hotaa| sva-doSa dikhane lageM, tabhI se bAvA jAne lagatA hai maMgaladAsa kA rakSaNa karane se hama bAvA hI raheMge aura bAvA kA rakSaNa kareMge to hama vApasa maMgaladAsa hI bneNge| usakA jo hisAba hai vaha use milatA hI rahegA, hameM dekhate rahanA hai| kyA ho rahA hai, use dekho, vahI apanA mArga hai| ye kahate haiM, 'hamAre doSa kyoM nahIM batAte?' maiMne kahA, 'dikhAI deMge taba batAe~ge na?' jaba hamAre hAtha meM Ae, taba vaha phAila nikaaleNge| hAtha meM nahIM Ae, isalie maiMne samajhA ki isane doSa nikAla die hoNge| phira jaba vaha hAtha meM AtA hai taba dikhA dete haiN| aura jaba khuda ko khuda kI bhUla dikhAI degI taba Disijana A

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 403 jaaegaa| bAvA aba bahuta samaya taka nahIM rhegaa| aba bahuta samaya taka bAvA ke rUpa meM nahIM rhegaa| aba bhagavAna bana jaaegaa| khuda apanI bhUleM dekhe tabhI se bhagavAna banane kI taiyArI hone lagatI hai| ataH itanA dekha lenA ki 'agara koI mujhe gAr3I se utAra de to kyA hogaa| praznakartA : ThIka hai, daadaa| sAmane vAle kI poz2izana meM A jAnA hai turNt| dAdAzrI : haaN| sAmane vAle ke prati bhUla ho jAe to saMbhAla lenaa| bhUla ho jAe to saMbhAla lenA isake bAvajUda bhI agara vaha apane Apa ulajhana meM par3e to usake lie hama z2immedAra nahIM haiN| yadi hamArI vajaha se ulajhana meM par3a jAe to hamArI jokhimadArI hai| kitanI hI bhUleM batAI nahIM jA sakatIM aura maiM to itanA niyama vAlA hU~ ki unase pUchatA hU~ ki 'yadi Apako (ApakI) bhUla batAU~ to Apako bukhAra nahIM car3hegA na?' taba agara vaha kahe, 'nahIM daadaa| vaha to mujhe Apase hI jAnanA hai'| taba maiM batA detA huuN| aba bukhAra car3hane ko rahA hI kahA~ hai? jahA~ bAvA ko khatma hI ho jAnA hai, vhaaN| jaba taka Apa bAvA ho taba taka bhUla honA saMbhava hai| praznakartA : Apako mujhe bhI batAnA hai dAdA, kyoMki abhI bhI, agara pudgala meM aisI koI khAmI ho jo sthUla rUpa se dekhI jA sakatI hai lekina agara kucha sUkSma hai to patA nahIM cltaa|| dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| kitane hI doSa dikhane lage haiM lekina abhI bhI aMdara kucha-kucha raha gae haiN| phira ve hama batA dete haiN| hameM to kisI bhI prakAra se bAvApana khatma karanA hai| bAvApana chuTa jAnA caahie| anaMta janmoM taka yahI kAma kiyA thaa| aba kisI bhI tarIke se chUTanA hI hai| hama sabhI kA dRr3ha nizcaya hai| maiM bhUla rahita ho gayA isalie dUsaroM kI bhUla dikhA sakatA huuN| Apako ApakI bhUla patA lagane meM dera lgegii| khuda kare aura khuda hI

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404 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jAna sake, vaha muzkila hai| maiMne jJAna diyA hai isalie jAnane lage haiM ki khuda kauna hai ? bAvA to vaha jAnatA hI nahIM hai na! yadi Apa 'maiM' ho, to bAvA kI sabhI bhUleM dekha sakate ho lekina abhI bhI kitanI hI bAra bAvA bana jAte ho na! isa prakAra potApaNuM rakhavAtA hai 'vaha' praznakartA : jisameM yaha potApaNuM (maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa) hai aura jo kahatA hai ki 'yaha maiM hU~', aura phira aisA bhI kahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura phira vaha jo rakSaNa karatA hai, ve saba kauna haiM ? vAstava meM kauna hai vaha ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| koI hai hI nhiiN| yaha to jJAna hai jo yaha kahatA hai 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aura aba jo usa tarapha kA pakSa letA hai, vaha ajJAna hai| jo potApaNuM rakhavAtA hai, vaha ajJAna hai| praznakartA : kauna rakhavAtA hai vaha potApaNuM? dAdAzrI : vaha nAsamajhI hai| abhI taka ahaMkAra utanA nahIM TUTA hai| ulTI samajha hai| abhI bhI yaha chUTa nahIM rahI hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kise hai? vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : jo yaha kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, vaha zuddhAtmA hI hai, vaha jJAna hI hai aura jo ulTA karatA hai, vaha ajJAna hai| ajJAna arthAt buddhi aura ahaMkAra arthAt 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vhii| praznakartA : kyA usI ko Apa bAvA kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : caMdUbhAI kA hI na ! 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', kahe to vaha abhI taka khuda ke pakSa meM hai, 'use' 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bananA hai| zuddhAtmA bana gae ho, to bhI caMdUbhAI kA pakSa nahIM chodd'te| jaba taka caMdUbhAI kA pakSa nahIM chor3oge, taba taka vaha kaccA rhegaa| praznakartA : vaha bAvA hai?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 405 dAdAzrI : vahI bAvA hai na! use donoM tarapha rahanA hai| praznakartA : usa bAvA ko chor3akara, zuddhAtmA ke sAtha jaoNinTa ho jAnA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! zuddhAtmA to hama haiM hii| jo baMdhA huA hai vaha 'yaha' hai praznakartA : jJAna lene ke bAda jo caraNavidhi par3hanI hotI hai, vaha kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaannii| praznakartA : to kyA aisA kaha sakate haiM ki pratiSThita AtmA bolatA hai? dAdAzrI : to aura kauna bolatA hai? jise mukta honA hai vaha bolatA hai| jo baMdhA huA hai vh| praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha kauna hai dAdA? kauna baMdhA huA hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha ahaMkAra! zuddhAtmA to baMdhA huA hai hI nahIM na! jo baMdhA huA hai vahI mukta hone ke lie zora macAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, isameM do cIjeM AtI haiM, 'Apake sarvotkRSTa sadguNa mujhameM utkRSTa rUpa se sphurAyamAna hoM', aisA z2arA sA vyavahAra kA AtA hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aise vAkya bhI Ate haiN| dAdAzrI : vahI kA vahI 'mai', lekina tUne usakA amala kahA~ kiyA? vyavahAra arthAt amala meM lAI huI ciij'| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha sahI hai aura vaha vyavahAra pUrA vikalpa kahalAtA hai| jahA~ 'maiM' kA upayoga kiyA, vaha vikalpa hai| ataH jo baMdhA huA hai, vaha mukta hone ke lie hAtha-paira mAra rahA hai| praznakartA : to kyA ahaMkAra baMdhA huA hai ?

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406 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : nahIM to aura kauna? ahaMkAra caMdUbhAI hai, ahaMkAra hI pratiSThita AtmA hai| jo mAno, vaha / vaha baMdhA huA hai, du:kha bhI usI ko hai na! jise duHkha hai vaha mokSa meM jAne ke lie hAtha-paira mAra rahA hai| duHkha se mukta honA, vahI mokSa hai| vahI sabakucha hai| anya kucha bhI nhiiN| yaha saba rileTiva usI kA hai| jisa para duHkha A par3e, vaha sukha DhU~DhatA hai| jo baMdhA huA hai, vaha mukta honA cAhatA hai| yaha saba baMdhe hue ke lie hai| isameM zuddhAtmA ke lie kucha bhI nahIM hai| __ praznakartA : dAdA, yadi caMdUbhAI ko chUTanA hai aura caMdUbhAI bola rahA hai to 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha vAkya kisa taraha se AegA dAdA? dAdAzrI : aisA bhI bola sakatA hai na! praznakartA : to caMdUbhAI kaise bola sakatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~? dAdAzrI : bolatA hI hai na! lekina vaha to TeparikaoNrDa hai na! yaha usa samaya kI bAta hai na, jaba vaha caMdUbhAI thA! aura abhI to hama 'maiM' 'yaha' ho gae haiN| riyalI spIkiMga, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', rileTivalI spIkiMga 'caMdUbhAI', usameM harja kyA hai? yaha maiM kauna se vyU poinTa se kaha rahA hU~? praznakartA : ataH isameM donoM vyU poinTa A jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : sabhI vyU pointts| kitane sAre vyU poinTsa haiM lekina inameM se do mukhya haiN| vyU poinTa to 360 DigrI ke haiM, isa DigrI para maiM isakA sasura hU~, isa DigrI para isakA phAdara hU~, isa DigrI para isakA mAmA huuN| nahIM pUchane cAhie bekAra ke prazna jJAnI ko aura kucha pUchanA hai yA yahI hai ? yahI jAnanA cAhate ho na yA aura kucha? praznakartA : Apa kucha aisA jAdU kara dIjie yA AzIrvAda dIjie

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 407 ki hama saba z2yAdA se z2yAdA jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM raha skeN| ye to bAvA bana jAte haiM arthAt jJAna meM nahIM raha pAte haiN| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, jaoNba vAlA UparI kabhI bhI zikAyata nahIM karatA ki yaha leTa ho jAtA hai ! are, kyA mere aise AzIrvAda hote hoMge? aisA kucha karo ki jaba hama so rahe hoM taba hamAre aMdara khAnA calA jaae| prazna se rukAvaTa mata ddaalo| isase rukAvaTa ho jaaegii| jo helpiMga ho aisI bAtacIta kro| abhI aisA TAima nahIM hai ki jo cAhe vaha pUchate raheM to clegaa| abhI agara bahuta sUkSma bAta ho to karo, bekAra hI TAima nahIM bigAr3anA hai| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| Apako samajhanA hai ki maMgaladAsa kauna hai aura bAvA kauna hai ? 'maiM kauna hU~' vaha samajha gae? yaha jo ghoTAlA karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| jo krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai| usa bAvA ko pahacAna gae yA nahIM pahacAne Apa? phira aba Apane mujhe kyA karane ko kahA, use AzIrvAda dene kA kaha rahe ho? aisA kahanA hI nahIM caahie| aisA kahane se apanA TAima bigar3atA hai| merA TAima bigar3atA hai, ApakA TAima bigar3atA hai aura isa satsaMga kA TAima bigar3atA hai| bAvA aura maMgaladAsa kI spaSTatA maMgaladAsa ko Apane pahacAnA? cAkU bhI maMgaladAsa ko lagatA hai, jise khUna nikalatA hai, vaha bhI maMgaladAsa hai| dUsare ko kyA jhaMjhaTa hai? maMgaladAsa ko kyoM bhUkhA mAreM? praznakartA : bhUkha kA jo asara hotA hai, usakA kise anubhava hotA hai ? maMgaladAsa ko yA bAvA ko? dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa ko to bhUkha kA koI paricaya hai hI nhiiN| bAvA hI sabakucha jAnatA hai| maMgaladAsa meM to koI jJAna hai hI nhiiN| agara iMjana meM tela khatma ho jAe to iMjana ko patA calatA hai ?

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408 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : nahIM cltaa| sahI hai| dAdAzrI : AtmA jAnane ke bAda agara maMgaladAsa khA rahe hoM to unase kaheMge, 'khA lo bhAI, dhIre-dhIre khaao| tar3aphar3AhaTa na ho usa taraha se', to maMgaladAsa bhI khuza ho jAegA ki bahuta acche iMsAna hai! __ ApakA kitanA hai, bAvA kA kitanA hai aura maMgaladAsa kA kitanA? jo A~khoM se dikhAI de, kAnoM se sunAI de, jIbha se cakhA jA sake aura jo nAka se sUMghA jA sake vaha saba maMgaladAsa kA hai| praznakartA : maMgaladAsa? dAdAzrI : jaba DaoNkTara kATate haiM, kATane se jisakA patA calatA hai, vaha bhAga maMgaladAsa hai jisakA yoM patA nahIM calatA, anubhava karane vAle ko hI patA calatA hai, vaha saba bAvA hai| anubhava karane vAle ko krodha hotA hai| jo krodha AtA hai, vaha bAvA ko AtA hai| maMgaladAsa ko krodha nahIM aataa| praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, saba bAvA kA hai! apane loga kahate haiM, 'dAdA, maiM zuddhAtmA ho gayA lekina abhI taka mujhe krodha AtA hai'| maiMne kahA 'krodha bAvA ko AtA hai| tujhe nahIM aataa'| ataH Apako bAvA se kahanA hai ki 'bhAI dhIre se kAma lo na to apanA hala A jaaegaa'| lekina ho jAne ke bAda khnaa| kisI para cir3ha jAtA hai to samajha jAnA aura DA~Ta le usake bAda kahanA ki 'aisA kyoM kara rahe ho? kyA yaha acchA lagatA hai Apako?' aisA kahane ke do phAyade haiN| eka to vaha z2arA narama par3a jaaegaa| abhI taka koI kahane vAlA thA hI nahIM na! behisAba kara rahe the| dUsarA kyA phAyadA hai ? to vaha yaha hai ki hama khuda usase bilkula alaga haiN| yoM apanI zakti bar3hatI jaaegii| praznakartA : merA bAvA Aja satsaMga meM dera se AyA hai| merA bAvA par3osI se vyavahAra karane meM raha gyaa|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 409 dAdAzrI : use DA~TanA nahIM hai| dera ho gaI, phira bhI AyA to sahI na! ata: bAvA ko DA~TanA nahIM hai| dhIre se kahanA, 'jaldI jaao| Apa to bahuta zakti vAle ho| saba prakAra kI zakti vAle!' aisA kaha sakate haiM use| jaldI jAnA ho to bhI ApameM zakti hai| apanI zaktiyA~ sameTakara jAo to kyA burA hai ? DA~TeMge to virodha karegA aura hameM DA~TegA, balki hameM kucha kaha degA! praznakartA : bahuta hAz2ira javAba hai| dAdAzrI : 'tumhAre to mA~-bApa nahIM haiN| hama to mA~-bApa vAle haiN|' yoM rauba jmaaegaa| yadi aisA kahe ki 'Apake bApa nahIM haiM, mA~ nahIM haiM', to phira hama kyA kaheMge? isase to acchA hai ki AbarU kA phajItA na kreN| 'tU bahuta samajhadAra hai|' z2arA sakhtI se kaheMge to virodha kregaa| usakI Adata aisI hI hai, bAvA kii| isa janma meM to bahuta lAbha ho gayA hai na? Apako lagatA hai aisA? anaMta janmoM kA hisAba pUrA ho gayA! sarva zAstroM kA sAra itane meM bAvA kauna hai, vaha samajha gae na? bAvA ke sAtha yaha sArA saMbaMdha rakhane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai na? isalie nikAla kara do, nahIM to phira vaha dAvA karegA aura hameM yahIM para rahanA par3egA cha: mahInoM tk| phira korTa meM vakIla DhU~Dhane pdd'eNge| hA~, usake bajAya to nikala jA bhaaii| samabhAva se nikAla! __phira isa bAvA ne kyA kiyA? isa bAvA ke nAma se dUsare bAvAoM ko kheta die| usase pArA to nahIM car3ha jAegA na? bAvA, to bAvA hai| aba pArA kaise car3hegA? nAma bAvA kA hai| hameM koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| phira bacce bhI bAvA ke haiN| Amace lar3ake! are bhAI, yaha dUsarA Amace kahA~ se AyA, bAvA ke bacce haiN| tumace ne Amace (tumhAre aura hamAre), tumace ne Amace, binA bAta ke! phira yadi koI pUche to 'hama isa deza ke haiM bhaaii'| hameM usa deza

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410 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kA jhaMDA to rakhanA hI par3egA lekina bAvA rakhegA aura hama jaaneNge| bAvA deza ke logoM se bAteM karegA aura hama jAnate rheNge| praznakartA : apane deza ke loga yahA~ the, to hama saba ne jJAna paayaa| ataH usa upakAra ko to bhUla hI nahIM skte| dAdAzrI : lekina kisase nahIM bhulAyA jA sakatA? 'maiM' se nahIM, bAvA upakAra nahIM bhUlatA aura apanA vaha deza vAlA nimitta banA, vaha bhI bAvA hai| donoM baavaa| bAta sunI aura apane bAvA ne mAna liyA ki aba hameM jJAnI ko DhUMDha nikAlanA hai| hama to maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa itanA samajha jaaeNge| usameM sabhI zAstra A ge| maMgaladAsa, vaha bAhara kA svarUpa hai, bAvA arthAt aMdara kA svarUpa aura maiM, vaha AtmA hai| maMgaladAsa nAma, bAvA pratiSThita AtmA aura 'maiM' arthAt mUla AtmA! bAvA hI akSara puruSottama kahalAtA hai, mUla puruSottama nhiiN| mUla puruSottama to pUrNa svarUpa meM hI hai| praznakartA : kSara, akSara aura anakSara, Apane aisA kahA thaa| dAdAzrI : jo kSara hai, vaha caMdUbhAI hai aura akSara, vaha eka hada se zurU hokara aura dUsarI hada taka hai, bAkI sabhI bAtoM meM baavaa| 'maiM' pUrNa svarUpa hai! brahma, brahmA, bhramita khuda hI bhagavAna hai, ataH khuda brahma hI hai aura khuda brahmA bana gayA hai| brahmA kaise banA? rAta ke sAr3he dasa bajane para ghara ke sabhI loga kahate haiM 'aba so jAie' to jaba Apa sone gae to aMdara Apake rUma meM Der3ha ghaMTe bAda kisI ne pUchA 'kyoM abhI taka karavaTeM badala rahe ho?' taba usa samaya vAstava meM Apa kyA kara rahe the? karavaTa badalate samaya kauna sA dhaMdhA kiyA? lo, sAr3he dasa baje saba ne so jAne ko kahA, saba ne harI jhaMDI dikhA dI ki 'so jAo aba' aura kisI kI tarapha

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' se koI zikAyata nahIM aura etarAja nahIM to phira aba sone meM kyA harja hai? taba, nahIM brahmA bana baiThA or3hakara, yojanA banAne lagA, subaha aisA kara dU~gA, parasoM aisA karU~gA, vaisA karU~gA' / isa taraha yojanA gar3hane lagA / 411 yojanA gar3hane lagA to brahma meM se bana gayA brahmA aura jaba ve yojanAe~ amala meM AtI haiM taba bhramita ho jAtA hai / taba kahatA hai, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, inakA sAlA hU~, inakA mAmA hU~' / yoM bhramita ho gayA ! vahI maiM hai, vahI bAvA aura vahI maMgaladAsa hai ! vahI brahma, vahI brahmA aura phira vahI bhramita ho jAtA hai ! parsanala, imparsanala aura ebsalyUTa praznakartA : jo sAre mahAna tattva ciMtaka haiM, unhoMne jo tIna zabda die haiM parsanala, imparsanala aura ebsalyUTa, ve samajhAie / " dAdAzrI : isameM kyA samajhAnA ? maiM bAvA aura maMgaladAsa / maMgaladAsa-parsanala, bAvA - imparsanala aura jo 'maiM' hai, vaha ebsalyUTa hai| praznakartA : kyA bAta hai! basa samajha meM A gayA, ThIka se / maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa / dAdAzrI : jo maMgaladAsa hai, vaha pUrA hI parsanala kahalAtA hai| jo bAvA hai, vaha imparsanala kahalAtA hai, vaha igoiz2ama kahalAtA hai aura jo 'maiM' hai vaha ebsalyUTa hai| jisa ebsalyUTa meM sirpha 'maiM' hI rahatA hai, use ebsalyUTa kahate haiN| yaha Ai vidAuTa mAi iz2a ebsalyUTa / 'Ai vida mAi', vaha maMgaladAsa hai, vaha parsanala hai aura jo usase Age gae haiM, ve 'Ai vida naoNTa mAina' to imparsanala bhI ho jAte haiM / ataH 'Ai vida mAi, Ai vida naoNTa mAina' ( vyavahAra meM merA hai lekina nizcaya meM merApana nahIM hai) aura 'Ai vidAuTa mAi' basa itanA hI saoNlyUzana hai iskaa| bAvA kA mahatva hai| dUsare sAmAnya loga aura khuda meM, donoM meM se

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412 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jitanA khuda kA mahatva hotA hai, utanA hI isakA mahatva hai| bIca vAle kI, imparsanala kI... aura hamezA parsanala kA mahatva kama hotA hai| parsanala kA artha yahI hai ki khuda kA mahatva kama kara denA! khuda kI kImata bar3hAne kI koziza karane se balki kama ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : jIvAtmA, aMtarAtmA aura paramAtmA, gujarAtI meM bArabAra isakA spaSTIkaraNa huA hai| iMgliza meM do hI zabda kahe haiM, Ai vida mAi aura Ai vidAuTa maai| to yaha tIsarA zabda Aja niklaa| iMgliza meM do hI the| dAdAzrI : haaN| lekina tUne pUchA to yaha niklaa| koI pUche to nikalatA hai| praznakartA : aba vidAuTa yAnI ki 'merA nahIM' aisA kisa AdhAra para sAbita hotA hai ! aisA kaba hotA hai ki 'merA nahIM', aisA Disijana A jAtA hai, vaha sAbita ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : sAbita hone kA isase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| yaha to ina tInoM kI avasthAe~ haiN| phira isakA pramANa kahA~ se lAe~? cAhe kahIM se bhI lAe~, hameM isakI koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| lekina 'Ai vida naoNTa mAina' vaha aMtarAtmA dazA hai| praznakartA : Ai kA riyalAiz2ezana ho jAe na, selpha riyalAiz2a ho jAe taba zuruAta hotI hai na 'noTa mAina' vAlI dazA kI? dAdAzrI : aisA to sirpha kahate haiM lekina jaba taka aisA riyalAiz2a nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka kAma nahIM AegA na ! riyalAiz2a karane ke lie phira se koziza karatA hai| taba phira dUsarI saba cIjoM meM se usakI ruci khatma ho jaaegii| ruci khatma hone ke bAda vaha iMsAna jisa hetu ke lie prayatna kara rahA hai, use vaha hetu prApta ho hI jAegA agara usameM koI milAvaTa nahIM ho to| milAvaTa hogI to nahIM hogaa| agara hetu meM milAvaTa nahIM hogI to prApti hogI hii| taba taka 'Ai vida mAi' hai| selpha kI prApti ke bAda meM 'Ai vida naoNTa maain'|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna- 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ' arthAt 'Ai vidAuTa mAi' iz2a goDa, paramAtmA hai| 'Ai vida mAi' vaha jIvAtmA hai / 'Ai vida naoNTa mAina' aMtarAtmA hai, bAvA hai / roMga bilIpha se hai impyora sola 413 praznakartA : hamArA jo astitva hai, vaha isalie hai ki hamAre aMdara zuddhAtmA hai / vaha jo usakA astitva hai, sA~sa lenA baMda kara leM to yahA~ se cale jAe~ge, vaha bAta ThIka hai ? dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA to zuddhAtmA hI rahatA hai aura use kucha bhI nahIM hotA na! deara iz2a pyora zuddhAtmA ina disa baoNDI / pyora kabhI bhI impyora ho hI nahIM sakatA / impyora sola ko sA~sa kI z2arUrata hai| I praznakartA : zuddhAtmA aura baoNDI, ina donoM ke bIca meM koI cIz2a hai? inTaramIDiyeTa koI cIz2a hai ? dAdAzrI : vaoNTa iz2a da bAunDrI oNpha caMdUbhAI ? vana caMdUbhAI vana zuddhAtmA, deara iz2a middl| yAnI pyora selpha yAnI pyora sola (TU selpha), impyora sola (rileTiva selpha) enDa phiz2ikala / to pyora sola iz2a paramAnenTa / impyora, iTa ija onlI da biliiph| usa roMga bilIpha ko phrekcara kara diyA jAe to calA jAegA, impyora khatma ho jAegA aura phiz2ikala kI koI z2immedArI hai hI nahIM / no risponsibiliTI phiz2ikala kI, risponsibiliTI sArI impyora sola kI hai / impyora sola deTa iz2a Ai vida mAya, krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha, vaha impyora sola hai / deTa iz2a onlI roMga bilIpha, nathiMga elsa / pyora sola iz2a karekTa, phiz2ikala iz2a karekTa enDa da impyora sola, dera iz2a onlI roMga bilIpha, nathiMga elsa ! roMga bilIpha se phiz2ikala ko 'caMdUbhAI' kahA hai, phiz2ikala ko 'caMdUbhAI' nAma diyA hai| pahacAnane kA yaha sAdhana dete haiM log| duniyA ke loga vyavahAra calAne ke lie nAma dete haiN| vaha phiz2ikala nAma dete haiN| to usakA jo caMdUbhAI nAma hai, use impyora sola ne pakar3a liyA hai ki 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' / deTa iz2a a pharsTa roMga bilIpha yAnI deTa iz2a da igoij'm| nAma hai isakA ( deha kA ), caMdUbhAI kA aura 'yaha' (khuda)

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414 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kahatA hai, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha igoiz2ama hai| agara vaha calA jAe to igoiz2ama gaoNna aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisI rAiTa bilIpha baiTha jAe to kAma ho jaaegaa| ataH jaba hama jJAna dete haiM to yaha saba calA jAtA hai| sArI roMga bilIpheM phrekcara ho jAtI haiM aura phiz2ikala bacatA hai| jo phiz2ikala hai use mApha kara diyA jAtA hai| tere sabhI gunAha mApha lekina AjJA meM rahakara karegA to! 'Apa' zuddhAtmA (maiM) ho aura dUsarA jo mizra AtmA hai (bAvA), usakA 'Apako' nikAla karanA hai| ApakA kAma kyA hai ? mizra AtmA kA nikAla karanA aura jo nizcetana cetana (maMgaladAsa) hai, vaha to apane Apa hI sahaja bhAva se calatA rhegaa| Apake hAtha meM sattA hai hI nahIM! to maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa samajha meM A gayA na? kevalajJAna ke bAda abheda svarUpa meM phira vyavahAra meM laghuttama aura nizcaya meM guruttama haiN| hama se bar3A koI nahIM hai| haM! bhagavAna bar3e the, ve to hamAre vaza meM ho ge| bhagavAna hamAre vaza meM ho gae haiM, hamArI bhakti dekhakara! hama aura bhagavAna ekAkAra hI haiM aura alaga bhI haiM, yoM donoM prakAra se haiN| kevalajJAna hone para khuda ekAkAra ho jAte haiN| hama kucha samaya taka bhagavAna kI taraha rahate haiM, kucha samaya taka ye darzana karavAte haiN| 'dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra', usa samaya bhagavAna kI taraha rahanA hotA hai| isase sabhI ullAsa meM Akara aise-aise karate haiM na! abhI Apake sAtha bAta karate samaya alaga haiN| hAlAki yaha jo bola rahA hai, vaha Tepa rikaoNrDara hai, maiM nahIM bola rahA hU~ lekina maiM isakA jJAtA-dRSTA huuN| praznakartA : Apane kahA na ki 'hama' inheM dekhate haiM, bhagavAna se 'hama' alaga haiM aura bhagavAna alaga haiM ! to 'hama' kahane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : 'hama' kahane vAlA yaha bhAga hai, vaha jo tIna sau chappana vAlA hai| praznakartA : aMbAlAla bhAI ? jJAnIpuruSa?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 415 dAdAzrI : jJAnIpuraSa, ye aMbAlAla bhAI jJAnI hue| ve vahI haiM, maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| 'hama' aura 'Apa' donoM bAvA praznakartA : abhI taka to mujhe patA hI nahIM thA ki loga, 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' kyoM kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : isIlie yaha samajhA rahA huuN| jJAnI kI dRSTi se samajha leMge to kalyANa ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : bahuta hI uttama udAharaNa hai, maiM-bAvA-maMgaladAsa kaa| dAdAzrI : mahAtmA bhI khuza ho jAte haiM na! hama bAvA hI haiM kahate haiN| Apa bhI bAvA ho, hama bhI bAvA haiN| Apa sunane vAle bAvA aura hama bolane vAle baavaa| yaha bAta to maiM Apako siddhAMta pUrNa karane ke lie batA rahA huuN| vaha bhI Apako samajha meM A gayA ki maiM kisalie yaha batA rahA huuN| khuda ko lakSa (dhyAna) meM rakhakara kahA hai| bAvA ne kahA to hai lekina khuda ko lakSa meM rkhkr| isI prakAra isa 'maiM' ke bAda yaha caMdUbhAI aura phira ye sabhI karma, kaary| vaha saba dikhAI detA hai eka hI lekina vyavahAra pUrI taraha se alaga hai| ataH 'maiM' ina saba kA jAnakAra hai| 'maiM' jAnakAra hai ki bhAI, yaha jo maThiyA (gujarAtI vyaMjana) khAyA, jo yaha jAnatA hai ki isakA svAda kaisA AyA, vaha AtmA hai aura jo bhogatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai| vaha bAvA hai| ataH yaha saba alaga-alaga hai| khuda ko alaga rahane kI z2arUrata hai| aura hai hI alaga! jo jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai; jo vedatA hai, vaha bAvA hai aura jo khAtA hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai| maz2A uThAne vAlA alaga hai aura Apa bhI alg| maz2A uThAne vAlA bAvA hai| bAvA maz2e letA hai aura Apa jAnate ho! Apa caMdUbhAI haiM, sunane vaale| aMbAlAla paTela bolane vAle aura

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416 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) jJAnI bhogane vAle aura hama jAnane vAle! aura hamArA ghara kitanI dUra hai ? hamAre ghara ke pAsa jJAnI haiM aura unake pAsa meM aMbAlAla bhAI rahate haiN| maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa! khAne vAlA, vedane vAlA aura jAnane vAlA khAne vAlA alaga hai, khilAne vAlA alaga hai, cabAne vAlA alaga hai, vedana karane vAlA vedaka alaga hai, aura Apa jAnane vAle alaga... praznakartA : ye saba kauna haiM? khAne vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : kyA yaha Tebala khAtI hai ? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : jo khAtA hai, vahI khAtA hai| vaha khAne vAlA ina saba se alaga hai, vaha bhI Apa nahIM ho| khAne vAlA Apase alaga hai| phira khilAne vAlA alaga hai| hAtha khilAte haiN| anya bAhara ke khilAne vAloM se to hameM koI lenA-denA nahIM haiM, vAstava meM ye bAhara ke khilAne vAle dekhe jA sakate haiN| hAtha isa taraha se khilAte haiN| khAne vAlA aura phira khilAne vAlA! ho gayA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : phira, cabAne vAle alaga haiN| ye battIsa dA~ta cabAte haiN| phira vedane vaalaa| aMdara bAvA jI haiN| are... mIThA AyA, to hAi klAsa hai, hA~... maz2A A gayA! jaba kar3avA AtA hai, taba vedatA hai arthAt ulTA vedatA hai| vedanA hotI hai na!? jaba aisA kar3avA AtA hai to sahana nahIM hotA aura jaba mIThA hotA hai taba vaisaa| ataH use vedakatA kahate haiN| kar3ave-mIThe kA vedana karane vaalaa| jAnane vAlA yaha jAnatA hai ki yaha vedane vAlA kaise veda rahA hai| jAnane vAlA 'maiM khuda hU~', vedakatA vAlA jJAnI hai| praznakartA : jJAnI? abhI bAvA kahA thA na, vedakatA vAlA bAvA?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa ' dAdAzrI : jaba taka yaha bAvA hai taba taka vedakatA hai / aura jaba taka 'jJAnI', ve bAvA ke rUpa meM haiM, taba taka vedakatA hai aura jAnane vAlA mUla puruSa hai, kevalajJAna svarUpa hai / ve jo jJAtA meM rahate haiM, jo jAnane meM aura vedakatA meM rahate haiM, ve kauna haiM ? praznakartA : ye jJAnI / dAdAzrI : hA~ ! jJAnI / 417 mamatA, vaha bAvA hai praznakartA : vaha jo 'maiM' hai, vahI mUla vastutva hai nA ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' ke binA to calegA hI nahIM na! hameM vApasa jAnA hai| usake bAda 'maiM' kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM rahegI / 'maiM' karake ghuse the| 'maiM' karake vApasa nikala jAnA caahie| pahale 'maiM' thA / aham thA, phira mamatA cipaka gii| mamatA, vaha bAvA hai / mamatA chor3ate samaya bhI bAvA hai aura mamatA bar3hAte samaya bhI bAvA hai / yaha rUpaka samajha meM A jAe to kAma nikAla degaa| zuddhAtmA se prArthanA, bAvA kI Apa bAvA meM rahakara apane 'maiM' se (dAdA bhagavAna se) kaho ki 'he dAdA bhagavAna jJAnI bAvA ko cAra-pA~ca sAla isa deha meM bitAne do| tAki yahA~ sabhI logoM ke sAre kAma pUre ho jAe~' / praznakartA : hA~, dIrghAyu dIjie dAdA ko / dAdAzrI : phira se yaha saMyoga nahIM milegA isalie maiM z2ora dekara kahatA huuN| yaha jo saMyoga hai na, vaha TaoNpamosTa saMyoga hai / phira se nahIM milegA isalie kahatA rahatA hU~ kyoMki Apa nahIM jaante| maiM jAnatA hU~ ki yaha saMyoga kaisA hai ! yaha kauna kaha rahA hai ? maMgaladAsa ( e. ema. paTela) kaha rahe haiN| ye bAvA (jJAnIpuruSa) kaise haiM, unake bAre meM batA rahe haiM! yadi ina jJAnI

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) bAvA ke kahe anusAra rahoge na, to ArapAra pahu~ca pAoge ! vAstava meM yaha jJAnI bAvA aisA hai ! praznakartA : dAdA bhagavAna jo cAhe so kara sakate haiM / dAdAzrI : para yaha to bAvA kI bAta kara rahe ho lekina jaba bhagavAna rAz2I hoMge tabhI bAvA kara sakegA na ? karane kA kAma bAvA kA hai lekina rAz2I kise honA hai ? praznakartA: rAz2I honA hai dAdA bhagavAna ko / dAdAzrI : to itanI bhAvanA karanA / praznakartA : hA~, dAdA / sabhI prArthanA kareMge to kAma ho jaaegaa| aba nikAlI bAvApada caMdUbhAI kI bAta karo / kauna bAta karegA ? (Tepa rikaoNrDara) vyavasthita (ke tAbe meM hai), bAvA nahIM hai / jAnane vAlA kauna hai ? maiM hU~ / aba bAteM karo / 418 I yaha jo sthUla caMdUbhAI hai, vaha maMgaladAsa hai / phira jo sUkSma bhAga bacA aura kAraNa bhAga bacA, ve donoM bAvA ke haiM aura 'maiM', zuddhAtmA / maiN-baavaa-mNgldaas| yaha hai apanA pUrA vijJAna, akrama vijnyaan| isa bAvApada kA nikAla karanA hai / jisa bAvApada ko lekara Ae haiM na, usa bAvApada kA nikAla kareMge to zuddha ho jAe~ge lekina abhI taka caMdUbhAI to sAtha meM hI hai na ? aura iMjIniyara bhI sAtha meM hai na! unakA samabhAva se nikAla karanA hai| maMgaladAsa aura bAvA, donoM alaga haiM aura maiM alaga huuN| tujhe use par3osI ke rUpa meM to sAtha meM rakhanA par3egA na! nikAla to karanA par3egA na ! par3osI se jhagar3A thor3e hI cala rahA hai ! praznakartA : samabhAva se nikAla to caMdUbhAI ko karanA hai na ? dAdAzrI : vahI caMdUbhAI !

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 419 praznakartA : yAnI samabhAva se nikAla bAvA kA nahIM, caMdUbhAI kA karanA hai? dAdAzrI : isa iMjIniyara ko karanA hai| yaha caMdUbhAI hI iMjIniyara hai na! caMdUbhAI iMjIniyara ko karanA hai, vaha sirpha caMdUbhAI nahIM hai, vaha to phira iMjIniyara bhI hai| samabhAva arthAt mitratA nahIM aura duzmanI bhI nhiiN| yaha (caMdUbhAI) apanA duzmana nahIM hai| use to hamane hI banAyA hai| hamane banAyA hai na? bhUla to apanI hI hai na? maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa samajha meM A gayA ThIka se? terA bhI bAvA hai na? praznakartA : hA~, daadaa| bAvA kA hI nikAla karanA hai na! dAdAzrI : bAvA kaisA hai, use tU nahIM jAnatA? bAvA kA svabhAva kaisA hai? jAnakAra jAnatA hai| bAvA svabhAva ke anusAra karatA rahatA hai aura jAnakAra jAnatA hai ki isane yaha aisA kiyaa| praznakartA : aba bAvA ko zuddha karate rahanA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, nahIM to chor3egA nahIM na! dAvA kregaa| hAikaoNrTa meM dAvA dAyara kara legA to phira kyA hogA? hameM saba AtA hai| chUTanA bhI AtA hai aura baMdhanA bhI AtA hai| jaba baMdhate haiM to ajJAna se baMdhate haiN| baMdhane se phAyadA nahIM hotA isalie vApasa chor3a dete haiN| aba isake sAtha nikAla to karanA hai| usa bAvA ko khuza karanA pdd'egaa| agara kucha acchA khAne ko nahIM mile na, to pUrI rAta jAgatA hai| agara bAvA ko pahacAna leMge to phira hama bAvA nahIM rheNge| praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : bAvA kI acchA khAne kI Adata nahIM rakheM to phira parezAnI nahIM hogii| pahale to bAvA banakara acchA khAne kI Adata ho jAtI hai| vaha Adata to balki bar3hatI jAtI hai| aba bAvA se bAhara nikalakara hama isa 'maiM' meM A gae hai!

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420 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) pahu~ce paramAtmA ke porca meM to phira vaha mAnyatA ThIka se phiTa ho gaI hai na ? Apa bAvA se alaga, pyora ho aura haMDreDa parasenTa pyora svarUpa ! bhagavAna ! aba AjJA meM rahane se ve parasenTa bar3hate jAe~ge dhIre-dhIre aura agara garvarasa cakhanA baMda ho gayA to bddh'eNge| agara garvarasa cakhate haiM to mArksa nahIM bar3hate / vahIM ke vahIM raha jAtA hai, balki mAra khA jAtA hai kyoMki na khAne kI cIz2a khA lii| ulTI karane kI cIz2a thI use khA gae ! praznakartA: dAdA, Apane vaha kahA na ki yaha jo bAvA hai, Apa usase alaga haiM, bhagavAna haMDreDa parasenTa pyora haiM aura phira yaha maMgaladAsa to hai hI vahA~ pr| dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa to the / praznakartA : hA~ to cAra hue ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, cAra nahIM, tIna hI hue| tIsarA sTezana to laMbA hai isIlie phATaka z2arA laMbA hai| use cauthA sTezana, nayA sTezana nahIM kheNge| eka sTezana hotA hai to vaha yahA~ se zurU huA aura sau gaja dUra yA itanA bar3A ho ki sau mIla dUra hotA hai lekina jahA~ se zuruAta huI vaha sTezana hI kahalAegA na ? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : jaba vaha phATaka AegA taba bAhara nikala pAe~ge / bhagavAna phATaka ke pAsa haiM / praznakartA : hA~ 1 dAdAzrI : jaise hI usa phATaka ko chuA to vaha bhagavAna bana jaaegaa| to ise eka kaheMge yA do kaheMge ? eka hI / aura vaha to mana meM samajhanA hai ki pyora sola kA sTezana A gyaa| pyora sola bana gayA / aba vaha z2arA z2yAdA laMbA hai to cAya pIte-pIte jAe~ge /

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 421 para aura sva kA kSetra tU cAhe kitanA bhI pAgalapana kare yA samajhadArI rakhe lekina vaha bAvA hai| ghanacakkara! kyoM itanA uchala-kUda kara rahA hai ! maiM, bAvA aura tU bAvI aura... yaha kyA nATaka lagA rakhA hai ? aba kabhI zAdI mata karanA, pUrI jiMdagI kisI bhI janma meN| praznakartA : zAdI nahIM karanI hai| dAdAzrI : moha calA gayA sArA? aura jo hogA vaha bhI khatma ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : dAdA! thor3A bahuta hai, use nikAla diijie| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina vaha bAvA meM hai, use hameM jAnanA hai ki bAvA meM itanA moha hai| mujhe aisA batA denaa| bAvA kA kheta dekhA hai? praznakartA : dekhA hai| dAdAzrI : usa kheta meM sabhI kucha hai, vaha sabhI kucha bAvA kA hai| usa kheta meM kucha maMgaladAsa kA hai| bAkI kA saba bAvA kA hai| hama to khuda ke kSetra meM hI haiN| hama usa kheta meM nahIM haiM, apane khuda ke kheta meM haiN| caMdUbhAI parAye kSetra meM jAte haiN| jo bhI bhaya hai, vaha unheM haiN| bAvA kauna hai, vaha samajha gae? eka bahana kyA kaha rahI thIM? maiM strI hU~, lekina hama bAvA nahIM haiM na? vaha bAvA thoDe hI haiM? aisA pUchane para mujhe kyA kahanA paDA? agara bAvA nahIM ho to kyA bAvI ho? ho to bAvI na lekina teIsa thor3e hI ho jAe~ge? nahIM ho skte| nahIM? bAisa teIsa nahIM bana sakatA! (gujarAtI meM bAIsa ko bAvIsa kahate haiN| dAdA ne maz2Aka meM bAvIsa ko bAvI kahA hai) praznakartA : aba dAdA! maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa, ye tInoM apanI

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422 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) apanI jagaha para seTa ho gae haiN| eka-dUsare kI DimArkezana lAina Dala gii| dAdAzrI : basa! kisakA kheta hai yaha? bAr3a vagairaha samajha liyA, dekha liyaa| aMta meM bAvA! nahIM rahatI hai bAvI koI kahegA, 'maiM aisA zuddhAtmA hU~, mujhe kucha bhI sparza nahIM krtaa'| jo aisA kaha rahA hai, vaha bAvA hai| hama to zuddhAtmA hI haiM, kyA bAvA hokara zuddhAtmA rahA jA sakatA hai ? aura z2yAdA ulajha jAegA! eka vyakti ne kahA, 'maiM to zuddhAtmA ho gayA hU~ dAdA ke pAsa aakr| mujhe kucha bhI sparza nahIM kara sktaa'| isa bAta kA patA calane para unheM bulaayaa| maiMne kahA, 'aba bAvA miTa gayA hai kyA? vaha jo zuddhAtmA nahIM huA hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai, lekina kyA tU bAvA nahIM rahA?' praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : maiM bhI bAvA kahalAtA hU~ na! cAra DigrI kama haiN| agara eka kI kamI hai to bhI 'maiM' zuddha nahIM ho paaegaa| taba bAvA utara gayA, aura usa vyakti ne kahA, 'phira se aisA nahIM khuuNgaa'| kyA bAvA miTa gayA hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : ataH ahaMkAra nahIM car3ha baiThanA caahie| ahaMkAra ko utArane ke lie hI to bAvA ko miTAnA hai yAnI kitanA suMdara rAstA hai ! isa para pustaka likhI jAe to kAma ho jAegA na? praznakartA : ho jAegA, daadaa| dAdAzrI : saMsAra arthAt maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| maiM bhI bAvA kahalAtA hU~ na aura Apa bhI bAvI kahalAtI ho| ApakA bAvIpanA chUTA nahIM haiM aura merA bAvApanA nahIM chUTA hai| jaba bAvA 360 DigrI vAlA ho jAegA taba 'maiM' chUTa jAU~gA, mukti ho jAegI!

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 423 jaba taka tIna sau chappana hai, taba taka mujhe kahanA par3egA na ki 'maiM judA huuN'| Apase nahIM kahatA? ataH bAvA hI hai ! yaha kisI ko batAnA nahIM hai| phira loga kaheMge, 'bAvA kyoM?' balki nAsamajha loga doSa bA~dha lete haiN| hameM apane Apako isa taraha se samajha lenA hai ki 'Akhira meM to maiM bAvA hU~!' praznakartA : aba jo bAvA hai vaha bAvA hI rahatA hai, bAvI banane nahIM jaataa| yaha bahuta acchA ho gyaa| bAvA rahatA hai, bAvI nhiiN| agara bAvI hone jAegA to prajJA kahegI, 'cala bAvA banakara raha' jo bAvI hai, vahI strI banatI hai na! jo bAvA hai, agara vaha bAvI bana jAe to usase strIpanA AtA hai| ataH dAdA, aba striyoM ko cAbI mila gaI, bahuta bar3I, yahA~ para mUla paoNinTa se hI pakar3anA hai! dAdAzrI : sabhI striyA~ samajha gaI, isa bAvA ko| yaha (dAdAzrI kA) bAvA Apake sAtha bahuta sakhtI rakhatA hai| bahuta sakhta, phira bhI jaba ve Apako DA~Tate haiM taba hama aisA saba kahate haiM, 'Apa bUr3he haiM, aise haiM, aisA hai-vaisA hai'| vaha hameM alaga dikhAI detA hai, vaha sApha-sApha dikhAI detA hai, ceharA-veharA sabhI kucha kliyara... praznakartA : dAdA, aura saba kahiegA lekina bUr3hA mata khiegaa| dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM kheNge| praznakartA : mata khie| Apa lagate hI nahIM haiM n| dAdAzrI : vaha to maz2Aka kara rahA huuN| praznakartA : nahIM! aisI maz2Aka mata kiijie| dAdAzrI : mahAtmAoM se maz2Aka kara rahA huuN| mahAtmAoM ko Azcarya hotA hai ki 'ye kyA kaha rahe haiM!' lekina aba nahIM khuuNgaa| praznakartA : mahAtmA to kahate haiM ki 'dAdA to aTThAisa sAla ke lagate haiN|

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424 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : lekina aba nahIM khuuNgaa| maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| yaha likhanA ho to bhI likha sakate haiN| AsAna va acchA hai| maiM, maMgaladAsa aura baavaa| praznakartA : dAdA yaha maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa acchA laga rahA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha hai upmaa| praznakartA : sabhI ke mu~ha para car3ha gayA hai, vaha ekjekTa sIkvansa meM hai| dAdAzrI : isalie yaha saba ke mu~ha para car3ha gayA hai to isI ko calane dete haiN| hA~, mazahUra ho gae mNgldaas| nahIM to, kauna pUche maMgaladAsa ko? aise maMgaladAsa to bahuta janme aura mara ge| nahIM? acchA rAstA hai| kitane udAharaNoM para bhI udAharaNa, udAharaNa... yaha samajha aisI hai ki samajha meM phiTa ho jaae| Apako samajha meM A gyaa| nahIM? bAvA kauna hai aura bAvI kauna? aura... praznakartA : hA~ haaN| dAdAzrI : yoM hI pAgalapana kara rahA hai bAvA sAloM se| vaha sukha meM hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : hA~ dAdA, aba niraMtara sukha meN| jIvana bane sugaMdhita dAdAzrI : yaha bAvA kauna hai ? saMsAra meM aisA karatA hai, vaisA karatA hai, baccoM ko mAratA hai, pITatA hai, vaha bAvA hai aura 'maiM' kauna hai ? shuddhaatmaa| ataH isameM se, bAvA meM se nikalanA hai hmeN| nAma bhale hI rhe| hamArA nAma aMbAlAla hI rahA, lekina hama bAvA meM se nikala gae haiM aura z2arA sA bAvApana bacA hai isalie yaha khaTapaTa karate rahate haiN|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 425 khaTapaTa kisalie hai ? to vaha isalie ki 'jo sukha maiM bhoga rahA hU~ vaisA hI sukha Apako bhI mile'| bAvA ne jo-jo sukha mAne the, ve aba nahIM cakhane par3ate haiM na? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : jaba taka bAvA the taba taka cakhA lekina aba to bAvA khatma ho gayA na! bahuta acche iMsAna haiM, besTa iNsaan| sukha cakhane kI bhAvanA hotI hai na bAvA ko, usase kahanA, 'Apa bAvA ho, lekina mere lie to maiM aura Apa donoM alaga haiM, sAtha meM nahIM haiN| aba maiM kaise bIca meM hAtha DAlU~? Apa apane prayatna karo'! bAvA hokara cakhA vaha alaga rhaa| calA gyaa| lekina aba? aba jIvana bahuta suMdara tarIke se bitAnA hai| abhI apane sAtha jo bAvA hai usase kaha denA hai ki 'jIvana aise bitAo, jaise agrbttii'| agarabattI jIvana bitAtI hai to usakA kyA kAma hai ? khuda jalakara dUsaroM ko sukha denaa| ataH usakI jiMdagI bekAra nahIM jAtI! acchI, sAphasutharI bItatI hai| agarabattI kI taraha, yaha samajhAnA hai| agarabattI jaise bana sakate haiM, aisA hai| aisA saba mAla hai aura sugaMdhi vAle iMsAna haiN| aba huA vizvAsa, mukti kA ina saba ke kanekzana milate haiM yA nahIM? praznakartA : milate haiN| dAdAzrI : jise hama tAla milanA kahate haiN| praznakartA : tAla milatA hai| liMka milatI hai| sabhI liMka kanekTa ho jAtI haiN| dAdAzrI : ho hI jAtI haiN| isI ko jJAna kahate haiN| dasa jagaha para kanekTa ho jAe aura dUsarI cAra jagahoM para kaccA par3a jAe to vaha jJAna nahIM khlaaegaa| phira yaha bAta alaga hai ki samajha meM na Ae

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426 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) lekina samajha meM A jAe tabhI kAma kA hai na! jo jJAna kisI bhI janma meM nahIM milA thA, vaha milA hai aura inakA to rAha para A gayA hai udAharaNa aura dalIla ke sAtha ki 'maiM kauna hU~?' 'bAvA kauna hai?' aura 'maMgaladAsa kauna hai?' bAvA ko dekhA, maMgaladAsa ko bhI dekhaa| aba hama apane khuda meM A gae haiN| kisa umra meM? ___yadi vaha 'maiM' meM A jAegA to akrama vijJAna kA dhyeya pUrA ho jAegA! Apako samajha meM AyA na ThIka se? aba hameM khuda meM rahanA hai, 'maiM' meM rahanA hai| bAvA to thA hii| bahuta dinoM taka usameM rhe| badagoI huI, zAdI kI, pachatAe bhI sahI, koI hai jo nahIM pachatAyA? praznakartA : isameM rileTiva meM to bharapUra DUbe hue the| dAdAzrI : bharapUra yAnI DUbe hue the aura usameM bhI aisA thA ki agara Dabala DubAyA jAe to usameM bhI maz2A AtA thaa| yaha to abhI hI badalA hai na? praznakartA : mArga milA hai isalie aba aMdara aisA vizvAsa hai ki nikala paaeNge| dAdAzrI : isa cIz2a kA vizvAsa huA! dhanyabhAga haiM ! jo isa bAta ko samajha gayA na, usakA to kalyANa ho gyaa| aba, agara bAhara koI jJAnI hoM na to ve mana meM aisA mAnate haiM ki 'maiM jJAnI huuN'| to rAta ko bhI ve usI kaipha meM so jAte haiN| hara kisI ko kaipha caDhatA hai| ve rAta ko bhI isI naze meM so jAte haiN| AkhirakAra to vAstava meM usameM bhI pachatAte haiN| yaha to bAvA hai, bAvA! isameM tUne kyA kamAyA? tU alaga hai, tU to zuddhAtmA hai| 'bAvA' zuddha to 'maiM' zuddha riyala ke lie Apako kucha nahIM karanA hai| yaha itanA jo hai vaha

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 427 caMdUbhAI kareMge aura rileTiva zuddha hotA jaaegaa| rileTiva zuddha hotA jAegA, to 'bAvA jI' zuddha hote jaaeNge| abhI ye 'bAvA jI' saMpUrNa zuddha nahIM kahe jA skte| 'bAvA jI' saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAe~ge taba 'maiM' zuddha ho jAegA, kamplITa shuddh| 'maiM' bhI bhagavAna ! abhI 'maiM' jJAna svarUpa hai, usake bAda vijJAna svarUpa 'maiM' prakaTa hogA! yAnI Apako bhI yahI seTa ho gayA hai| yaha bAvA zuddha hotA jA rahA hai aura jaba vaha 'maiM' zuddha, sApha ho jAegA, taba 'maiM' ho jAegA kamplITa! praznakartA : usake bAda 'maiM' vijJAna svarUpa hotA jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : jaba taka bolate haiM, taba taka jJAna svarUpa hai| praznakartA : jaba taka 'maiM' bolatA hai taba taka jJAna hai| 'maiM' sunatA rahatA hai aura jJAna bolatA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : usake bAda jaba jJAna kA bolanA bhI baMda ho jAtA hai to, vaha vijJAna hai| vijJAna meM phira AvAz2a vagairaha nahIM hotii| pUrNAhuti ! pUrNa dazA! praznakartA : yAnI jise 360 DigrI kahate haiM, vaha vijJAna svarUpa hai dAdAzrI : hA~, 360 ho jAne ke bAda bola yA zabda nahIM rhte| praznakartA : to jaise-jaise jJAna bolatA hai aura 'maiM' sunatA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise DigriyA~ bar3hatI jAtI haiN| dAdAzrI : bar3hatI jAtI haiN| jaba taka zabda haiM taba taka hama bAvA haiM lekina zabda alaga hai| zabda rileTiva haiM aura riyala meM zuddha, vijJAna hai| hama donoM tarapha haiN| eka, vijJAna svarUpa haiM aura jo bAvA ke rUpa meM hai, vaha jJAna svarUpa hai| jJAna rileTiva hai aura vijJAna riyala hai| hamArA yaha rileTiva baMda ho jAegA

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428 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) to vaha (vijJAna svarUpa) pUrNa ho jaaegaa| rileTiva eka-do janmoM meM baMda ho jaaegaa| taba hamArA pUrNataH vijJAna svarUpa ho jaaegaa| arthAt hama vijJAna hI haiM lekina abhI jJAna svarUpa meM haiM, bAvA jii| maiM, bAvA aura mNgldaas| praznakartA : 'maiM' bAvA svarUpa se hI rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! jo yaha mAnatA hai ki 'maiM maMgaladAsa hU~' vaha bAvA hai| samajha meM AyA na! isa prakAra se hai ! praznakartA : to jisa prakAra se yaha vyavahAra meM hai usI prakAra yaha riyala meM kisa taraha se hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' riyala hai| vaha to aMtima jJAna hai| zabda bolanA, vahA~ aMtima (uccatama) jJAna hai aura ye bola na bolanA, vaha vijJAna hai| ataH rileTiva meM 'maiM' kA jJAna saba se aMtima prakAra kA jJAna hai aura maMgaladAsa, vaha to kamplITa rileTiva hai| maMgaladAsa to paramAnenTa hai hI aura bAvA bar3hatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : bAvA bar3hatA jAtA hai lekina 'maiM' to vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai na? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : aura phira vaha 'maiM' vijJAna svarUpa taba kahalAtA hai jaba phula jJAna ho jAtA hai| bAvA phula ho jAtA hai tb| dAdAzrI : 'maiM' jo hai, vaha jJAna svarUpa hai, jaba taka ninyAnave hai taba taka aura jaise hI vaha sau huA ki vaha vijJAna hai| praznakartA : 'maiM' vijJAna svarUpa ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : jaba taka bolatA hai taba taka 'maiM' bAvA hai| praznakartA : matalaba, jaba taka bola calate raheMge taba taka 'maiM' vijJAna svarUpa nahIM ho sakegA?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 429 dAdAzrI : taba taka 'maiM' jJAna svarUpa hU~ lekina riyalI vijJAna svarUpa huuN| praznakartA : aba jJAna svarUpa to use kahate haiM ki jaba bola nikala rahe hoM yAnI ki vANI nikala rahI ho, taba (vaha jAne ki) 'maiM' kahA~ para hai? dAdAzrI : taba taka 'maiM' bAvA jI ke rUpa meM hai| praznakartA : taba maMgaladAsa to eka tarapha hI raha jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~! maMgaladAsa meM to kucha bhI badalAva nahIM hotaa| nAmadhArI hai| praznakartA : haM! nAmadhArI hai aura bAvA kI samajha bar3hatI jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : bar3hatI jAtI hai| ye saba mahAtmA hamezA bAvA hI kahalAe~ge kyoMki ye khuda ke rileTiva nAma ko svIkAra nahIM karate aura riyala meM bAvA haiN| praznakartA : acchA! rileTiva chUTa gayA aura vaha bAvA svarUpI ho gyaa| vaha bAvA svarUpa bar3hate-bar3hate riyala ho jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : riyala ho jAtA hai| khuda ko samajha meM AtA jAtA hai dhiire-dhiire| maMgaladAsa kA pada chUTa hI gayA hai| aba 'maiM' aura bAvA bace haiN| praznakartA : aba 'maiM' aura bAvA! to kyA 'maiM' bAvA ko jJAna bar3hAne meM helpa karatA hai? kyA aisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| (kevalajJAna svarUpa AtmA kevala prakAzaka hI praznakartA : to bAvA kA jJAna kisa prakAra se bar3hatA hai ?

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430 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : jaise-jaise karma chUTate jAte haiM vaise-vaise phAila kA nikAla hotA jAtA hai aura vaha nikAla kauna karatA hai ? vyvsthit| praznakartA : vyavasthita nikAla karatA hai| ThIka hai| arthAt samaya Ane para sabakucha milatA jAegA taba nikAla hotA jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : iphekTa kA nikAla ho hI rahA hai| kaoNz2ez2a utpanna nahIM hote| 'maiM' aura 'bAvA' tIna sau sATha para eka haiM maiM jaba aisA pUchatA hU~ ki 'kauna bolA?' to ve kahatI haiM, 'nIrU bolii'| phira isa para se unheM judApana kA jJAna ho gayA aura phira nIrU bahana pratikramaNa karatI haiN| isI prakAra se phira Apako mujhase kahanA hai ki 'ye caMdUbhAI bole!' to phira aisA kahA jAegA ki apanA jJAna hAz2ira rhaa| yahA~ para isI taraha se bolane kA rivAja hai use hama 'bAvA jI' kahate haiN| maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa! maMgaladAsa kucha hada taka hai, aura usake bAda bAvA hai| praznakartA : kucha hada taka maiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! tIna sau chappana para yaha bAvA hai, sattAvana, aThAvana, unstth| to unasaTha taka bAvA mAnA jAtA hai| sATha hote hI 'maiM' ho jAtA hai| ataH 'maiM' to zuddhAtmA hI hU~ lekina yaha bhI 'maiM' bana gyaa| donoM hI tIna sau sATha aura taba taka bAvA hai| yahA~ para likhie (dAdAzrI likhavAte haiM), bAi rileTiva, hI iz2a inasAiDa TU hNddredd| bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa kA matalaba hai cNduubhaaii| bAi riyala hI iz2a oNna thrI haMDreDa thrii| DigrI kisakI hai? kitanI? praznakartA : Apane kahA na ki caMdUbhAI 200 DigrI para haiM aura

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 431 riyala meM unakI 303 DigrI hai to dAdA aisA nahIM kahA jAegA ki dAdA riyala meM 360 DigrI para hai ? / dAdAzrI : riyala meM to tIna sau sATha DigrI hI hai| praznakartA : to tIna sau tIna DigrI para kauna AyA hai? dAdAzrI : jo riyala honA cAhatA hai, vaha / riyala, vaha maiMne batAyA ki Apa mUla svarUpa (zuddhAtmA) se riyala ho ataH aba Apa (bAvA) riyala bananA cAhate ho| aba vAstava meM riyala hI bananA hai| praznakartA : lekina kauna dAdA? caMdUbhAI to caMdUbhAI haiN| dAdAzrI : jo rileTiva thA, vhii| praznakartA : merI aisI samajha hai ki caMdUbhAI rileTiva hai, vaha do sau do DigrI para hai aura 'maiM' riyala hai, vaha tIna sau sATha DigrI para hai| dAdAzrI : lekina vaha bAta sahI hI hai na! praznakartA : to tIna sau tIna DigrI para kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI, jise abhI taka mAnyatA meM to 'maiM' tIna sau sATha DigrI para hI hai, lekina vartana meM vaha tIna sau tIna DigrI para hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai| vartana meM tIna sau tIna DigrI hai| dAdAzrI : haM! praznakartA : lekina dAdA, kisakA vartana? caMdUbhAI kA yA... dAdAzrI : jisakA vartana (Develapa) vikasita hotA gayA hai vhii| praznakartA : vaha caMdUbhAI hai yA aura koI ? dAdAzrI : jo caMdUbhAI thA, vahI! vAstava meM caMdUbhAI nahIM thA lekina 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha bhI sahI bAta hai na aura Age bar3hatA gayA vaha bhI sahI bAta hai|

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432 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : to isakA artha aisA kahA jA sakatA hai ki caMdUbhAI tIna sau tIna DigrI para Ate haiM yA caMdUbhAI do sau do DigrI para hI hai ? dAdAzrI : mUlataH caMdUbhAI kisI eka jagaha para, usI jagaha para thaa| vahIM ke vahIM para! aura phira yaha A gyaa| yaha caMdUbhAI itane-itane kharca karake AyA hai ataH yaha mUla caMdUbhAI nahIM hai| yaha kharca kiyA huA caMdUbhAI (bAvA) hai| praznakartA : isakA kyA matalaba hai dAdA? kharca kie hue caMdUbhAI kA matalaba kyA hai? ___ dAdAzrI : vaha bAta Apake brena taka pahu~cegI nahIM isalie maiMne jo Apako yaha likhavA diyA, yahI bhUla kara dii| yadi vaha samajha meM A jAe to phira yaha bAta to bahuta suMdara hai| ataH Apako aisA hI kahanA hai ki 'maiM' yaha tIna sau tIna DigrI nahIM hU~, 'maiM' to vaha thaa| praznakartA : arthAt jise samajha meM A gayA ki 'maiM yaha caMdUbhAI nahIM hU~' aura 'maiM yaha zuddhAtmA hI hU~', aisA jise samajha meM A gayA vaha Age tIna sau tIna DigrI taka pahu~ca gayA, do sau do DigrI para se| dAdAzrI : hA~! hU~ lekina abhI taka bana nahIM gayA huuN| aba usane vaisA banane kA prayatna zurU kara diyA hai| kyA-kyA ar3acane haiM, ve ar3acane Apako batA diiN| una ar3acanoM ko dUra karate jAoge to Age bar3hate jaaoge| praznakartA : ataH Apane jo upamA dI hai, maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa, to usameM bAvA 303 DigrI taka A gayA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~ bAvA 303 DigrI taka A gayA hai, vahI bAvA jaba 359 kA ho jAegA taba taka bAvA hai aura tIna sau sATha ho jAegA to zuddhAtmA! praznakartA : samajha meM A gayA ab| ataH maMgaladAsa to do sau do DigrI para hI hai| vaha to jo lekara AyA hai, vaisA hI hotA rhegaa|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' dAdAzrI : rileTiva meM caMdUbhAI ko kyA diyA thA ? praznakartA : 202 DigrI / 433 dAdAzrI : vaha caMdUbhAI to 202 DigrI para hI hai / usake bAda DigrI bar3hatI gaI taba vaha bAvA mAnA jAne lagA / 303 DigrI taka pahu~cA to isakA matalaba bAvA / vaha bAvA banate, banate banate banate jaba 359 DigrI taka pahu~cegA, taba taka bAvA hai aura 360 DigrI matalaba kamplITa / " praznakartA : yAnI jaise-jaise usake darzana meM parivartana hotA gayA vaise-vaise DigrI bar3hatI gii| eka ke bAda eka usakI DigrI bar3hatI gaI... dAdAzrI : vahI kA vahI bAvA hai / 303 para bhI bAvA kahalAtA thA aura 359 para bhI bAvA kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : hA~, arthAt 303 DigrI para A jAne ke bAda bAvA kA darzana bar3hatA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, to aMdara bAvA, vaha Apako alaga kara diyA aura aMdara vaha vahI hai jo khuda caMdUbhAI mAnA jAtA thA, aba vahI kA vahI khuda vApasa lauTa rahA hai| pahale khuda bAvA banatA gayA aura phira bAvA banakara Age bar3hane lgaa| use maiMne 'yaha bAvA', aisA nAma diyA hai usase yadi samajha A jAe to bahuta uttama hai| kaba taka bAvA hai aura kaba taka maMgaladAsa vagairaha sb| praznakartA: aura jaba se janma huA taba se maMgaladAsa hai| do sau do DigrI para janma huA to maMgaladAsa 202 DigrI para / dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa kauna hai ? jitanA phiz2ikala bhAga hai, sirpha utanA hI, janma huA taba se nahIM / jo kucha phiz2ikala hai, vaha sArA hI! praznakartA : arthAt maMgaladAsa pahale choTA thA, phira javAna huA usake bAda bUr3hA huA, vaha phiz2ikala bhAga hI / zarIra !

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434 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : zarIra kA javAna honA, mUlataH vaha sArA phiz2ikala hai, jo phiz2ikala bhAga rahatA hai, vaha to caMdUbhAI kA hai| vahI caMdUbhAI hai lekina jo bAvA hai, vaha dhIre-dhIre bar3hatA jAtA hai| praznakartA : jaba se Apane jJAna diyA tabhI se bAvA kA janma huaa| taba taka to caMdUbhAI hI thaa| dAdAzrI : haaN| varnA taba taka to caMdUbhAI hI thaa| phira bAvA banane lgaa| jaise koI vyakti hai to brAhmaNa aura yadi tIsa-cAlIsa sAla taka zAdI karane kA koI ThikAnA na par3e aura use kisI jagaha para maMdira ke mahaMta kI taraha rakhA jAe aura vaha mahArAja kahalAne lage to tabhI se bAvA banatA hai| arthAt Apa caMdUbhAI hI the, maiM milA, maiMne Apase kahA, 'Apa zuddhAtmA ho'| tabhI se bAvA bne| loga maMdira ke bAvA banate haiM aura hama isameM bAvA bana ge| praznakartA : ThIka hai, bs| aba bAvA se kahate rahanA hai, 'tU zuddhAtmA hai, tU zuddhAtmA hai'| bAvA ko yahI raTate rahanA hai to phira dhIredhIre bAvA tIna sau sATha taka pahu~ca jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aisA raTate rahane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| Apako to 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA hI bolanA hai| jaba zuddhAtmA vartana meM AegA taba bAvApana chUTa jAegA aura jaba taka vaha vartana meM nahIM AyA hai, taba taka bAvA hai| zraddhA meM 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' lekina vartana meM nahIM hai isalie bAvA hai| jaba vaha vartana ekjekTa ho jAegA to vApasa zraddhA vagairaha sabakucha ekjektt| praznakartA : karekTa / hA~, vartana meM 'maiM' bAvA rUpI hai, zraddhA meM 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| dAdAzrI : ulTI samajha se sabakucha ulTA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : bAi riyala vyU poinTa vI Ara oNla eTa thrI haMDreDa enDa siksTI? riyala vyU poinTa se hama sabhI tIna sau sATha DigrI para hai ?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 435 dAdAzrI : yasa, yasa baTa niyaralI riyl| praznakartA : ebsalyUTa? dAdAzrI : ebsalyUTa ija da riyl| Ai ema phora DigrI niyara ebsalyUTiz2ama, thrI haMDreDa phiphTI siksa ddigrii| riyala iz2a karekTa, riyala iz2a thrI haMDreDa siksaTI enDa Ai ema (eTa) thrI phiphTI siksa ddigrii| disa, 'niyara riyala' iz2a thrI haMDreDa phiphTI siks| praznakartA : yA, yaa| baTa vhena hI vaoNz2a eTa da eja oNpha phaoNrTI nAina, vhera vaoNz2a hI? aba, Apako pacAsa sAla kI umra meM jJAna huA thA taba Apa thrI phiphTI siksa DigrI para pahu~ca gae lekina jaba jJAna nahIM huA thA, unapacAsa sAla kI umra meM, taba Apa kahA~ the? dAdAzrI : jJAna se pahale bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa hamArI Tu siksaTI phAiva DigrI thii| rileTiva meM Tu siksaTI phAiva DigrI thI aura 'niyara riyala' thrI phorTI phAiva thii| riyala thrI haMDreDa siksaTI DigrI hotA hai lekina abhI 'ye' yahA~ taka pahu~ce haiN| aba yaha naz2adIka hai, isalie batA rahe haiM ki kauna sI DigrI para haiN| aba kucha samaya bAda riyala taka pahu~ca hI jaaeNge| yaha iphekTa bacA hai| bAkI riyalI meM to kaoNz2a meM ye pahu~ca hI cuke haiN| riyalI pahu~ca cuke haiN| hamArA rileTiva aisA AyA hai| praznakartA : Apako thrI phiphTI siksa DigrI taka pahu~cane meM saba se bar3I rukAvaTa yA vIkanesa kyA thI? dAdAzrI : igo, igoijama, aisA thA ki 'maiM kucha hU~'! tIna sau tIna DigrI taka pahu~cA thA, vaha baavaa| bAvA kI zuruAta yahA~ se huii| pahale kitanA thA, jaba caMdUbhAI thA taba? praznakartA : do sau do DigrI, Apane samajhAne ke lie bahuta acchA zabda kahA hai ki caMdUbhAI kI do sau do DigrI hai, tIna sau sATha zuddhAtmA

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436 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) kI arthAt riyala kI aura tIna sau tIna DigrI kisakI? to vaha niyara riyala kii| aisA khaa| dAdAzrI : niyara riyl| phira eka sIr3hI ho yA dasa sIr3hiyA~ lekina niyara riyl| isameM yaha duniyAdArI kA udAharaNa sirpha Apako samajhAne ke lie batAyA hai| Apa caMdUbhAI the aura DaoNkTara the, taba taka aisA thA ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI DaoNkTara huuN'| praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : phira maiMne kahA ki 'nahIM! caMdUbhAI DaoNkTara hai lekina bAi baoNDI vagairaha se, phiz2ikala meN| aba Apa zuddhAtmA ho'| taba 'Apako' zuddhAtmA aura 'maiM caMdUbhAI' ko aisA pd| Apako aisA dhyAna Ane lagA isalie maiMne kahA ki nahIM zuddhAtmA bana nahIM gae ho, bana rahe ho aura yaha bIca vAlI, bAvA kI sTeja dii| praznakartA : ThIka hai| bIca vAlI bAvA kI sTeja dii| hA~ samajha meM A gyaa| ...taba se Dresa vAlA bAvA dAdAzrI : jaba taka zabda hai, taba taka bAvA jii| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', taba taka bAvA jI, 'maiM jJAnI hU~' taba taka bAvA jI, jisakI tIna sau chappana DigrI hai vaha bAvA jI, tIna sau unasaTha DigrI para bhI bAvA jii| aura 'maiM' arthAt mujhe lagatA hai ki tU 'maiM' ko pUrI taraha se nahIM samajha pAyA hai ? bAvA kA artha kyA hai? praznakartA : tIna sau sATha DigrI para kamplITa aura tIna sau unasaTha taka baavaa| abhI bAvA tIna sau chappana DigrI para hai| dAdAzrI : jahA~ 360 DigrI, aisA zabda hai, vaha bAvA hai aura jo zabda rahita hai, vaha selpha hai| agara koI kahatA hai ki 'maiM tIna sau sATha

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' DigrI para hU~', to vaha bAvA hai / jahA~ zabda nahIM haiM, AvAz2a nahIM hai, to phira vahA~ para bAvA nahIM hai, vaha mUla hai| 437 praznakartA : arthAt khuda ko yaha dhyAna Ane ke bAda meM ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha bAvA kahalAtA hai yA usase pahale bhI ? dAdAzrI : sabhI taraha se bAvA hI hai, usake pahale se / praznakartA : usake pahale se hI ? punarjanma samajhane lage tabhI se ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM kartA hU~' aisA bhAna hone ke bAda, 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aura maiM apane karma bhugata rahA hU~, tabhI se bAvA hai / praznakartA : Apane eka bAra kahA thA ki 'bAvA kA janma hamAre jJAna dene ke bAda hI hotA hai / taba taka bAvA nahIM hai ' / dAdAzrI : nahIM, bAvA kA janma to jaba se yaha jAnane lage ki maiM kartA hU~ aura mujhe mere karma bhugatane par3eMge, tabhI se bAvA bana jAtA hai| lekina bAvA kI ekz2ekTa Dresa nahIM hai| ekz2ekTa Dresa to aisA bhAna hone ke bAda ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', taba ekz2ekTa Dresa meM AtA hai| vAstava meM yahIM se bAvA kaheMge, binA Dresa vAle ko bhI bAvA kheNge| phira 'maiM maMgaladAsa hU~, viliyama hU~, sulemAna hU~', vaha saba maMgaladAsa hai kyoMki vaha khuda (mAnA huA 'maiM' ) aisA samajhatA hai ki bhagavAna karate haiM aura maiM to sulemAna huuN| praznakartA : mujhe dehAdhyAsa rahatA hai, usase mukta honA hai, aisA jise bhAna huA tabhI se vaha bAvA hai| dAdAzrI : dehAdhyAsa zabda kA bhAna bhI nahIM hai phira bhI yadi, 'maiM kartA hU~', aisA rahe to vaha bAvA hai I praznakartA : to vaha bAvA nahIM kahalAegA ? dAdAzrI : vahI bAvA hai| bAvA kI zuruAta kahI jaaegii| dehAdhyAsa kA bhAna ho jAe, taba to phira vaha bar3A, bar3A bAvA, rauba vAlA lekina

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) vaha kapar3e vAlA bAvA nahIM hai, asala bAvA nahIM hai| asala bAvA to jaba jJAna prApta hotA hai tabhI se asala bAvA / 438 praznakartA : Dresa vAlA bAvA ? dAdAzrI : Dresa vAlA / phula Dresa / taba agara tArIpha kI jAe to loga aisA kahate haiM ki, 'nahIM bhAI, bAvA jI Ae haiN'| vaha bAvA (binA Dresa vAlA) zAyada kahe yA na bhI khe| vaha apane ghara meM bAvA hai| hamArA bAvA alaga hai| isa maz2adUra kA bhI bAvA kahA jaaegaa| yahA~ kA maz2adUra, inDiyA kA, vaha bAvA hai kyoMki vaha samajhatA hai ki 'merI strI na jAne kauna se janma kI bairI hai, kauna se janma meM baira bA~dhA hai, parezAna-parezAna kara diyA hai mujhe' / abhI taka bhUlA nahIM hai pichale janma kA / maMgaladAsa ko, bAvA ko, sabhI ko jo jAnatA hai vaha 'maiM' hai / jo tIna sau sATha DigrI vAlA jJAnI hai, use 'maiM' kahatA hU~ lekina jJAnI, vaha 'maiM' nahIM hai| praznakartA : yaha bAvA 'maiM' nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, 'jJAnI' bhI 'maiM' nahIM hU~ lekina 'maiM' sabhI ko jAnatA huuN| jo tIna sau sATha DigrI vAlA 'jJAnI' hai, use bhI jAnatA huuN| praznakartA: aisA kauna kahatA hai ? 'maiM' ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' kahatA hai / praznakartA: aura bAvA ? dAdAzrI : jo aisA kahatA hai ki 'maiM tIna sau sATha DigrI vAlA jJAnI huuN'| praznakartA : tIna sau sATha DigrI bolatA hai ? dAdAzrI : hama nahIM kahate, 'bAvA' banakara, 'maiM tIna sau chappana DigrI vAlA jJAnI hU~?'

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' praznakartA : jo aisA kahatA hai ki maiM tIna sau unasaTha DigrI vAlA jJAnI hU~, kyA vaha bhI bAvA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha bAvA hai / praznakartA : jo use jAnatA hai, vahI ? dAdAzrI : vaha mUla praznakartA : mUla, vaha to 'maiM' hai| dAdAzrI : mUla, vaha 'maiM' hai / jahA~ zabda nahIM pahu~cate vahA~ para 'maiM' hai, phira bhI saba usI meM se udbhava hotA hai / tujhe bAvA dikhAI detA hai na? bAvA ke khatma hone ke bAda vaha mUla ke sAtha abheda ho jAtA hai taba phira yaha bAvA khatma ho jAtA hai ! bAvA aura maiM, donoM ke bIca jo pardA hai, jaba vaha pardA nikala jAegA taba vaha 'maiM' bana jaaegaa| I praznakartA : vaha kauna sA pardA hai ? hai 439 I dAdAzrI : vahI pardA hai, sirpha mUla coMTa (cipakA huA hai, mAnyatA) hai, daraasala coNtt| vaha coMTa nikala jAe to khatma ho jaaegaa| usa pada ko Ane meM dera hI nahIM lagegI / praznakartA : kaba AegA dAdA ? vaha pada kaba AegA ? dAdAzrI : 360 DigrI pUrI ho jAne para / 'maMgaladAsa' para kyA asara ? praznakartA : yaha bAvA jaba tIna sau paiMtAlIsa DigrI se Age pahu~catA hai taba maMgaladAsa meM kyA parivartana hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa meM koI parivartana nahIM hotA / vaha to apanI prakRti meM hI rahatA hai / parivartana hotA rahatA hai isa bAvA meM hI / 'maiM' sirpha dekhatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : isa bAvA meM kisa AdhAra para parivartana hotA hai ?

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440 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : iphekTa ke AdhAra pr| praznakartA : maMgaladAsa ke iphekTa ke AdhAra para? bAvA ko kauna badalatA hai? arthAt yaha jJAna yA bAhara kA asara? bAvA kisa AdhAra para badalatA hai? dAdAzrI : iphekTa ke AdhAra pr| (jJAna se jitanA iphekTa bhoga liyA utanA hI bAvA Age bar3hatA hai, aisA samajhanA hai) praznakartA : iphekTa maMgaladAsa kA? dAdAzrI : bhalA maMgaladAsa kA iphekTa hotA hogA? praznakartA : to? dAdAzrI : jo use bhugatatA hai, uskaa| maMgaladAsa apanA khuda kA iphekTa bhogatA hai| bAvA apanA bhogatA hai| praznakartA : tIna sau paiMtAlIsa para se tIna sau chayAlIsa para AtA hai, tIna sau saiMtAlIsa para AtA hai to vaha kisa AdhAra para AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : jitanA vaha (jJAna meM rahakara) bhoga legA, utanA hI isameM A jAegA arthAt jitanA 'maiM' meM AegA utanA bddh'egaa| praznakartA : bAvA 'maiM' meM calA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM to phira kauna jAtA hai? vaha tIna sau chappana vAlA bAvA bar3hate-bar3hate tIna sau sATha kA ho jaaegaa| unasaTha taka bAvA hai aura sATha para pahu~cA, to vaha khuda hai ! praznakartA : aura 'maiM' to taba thA hI, rahatA hI hai ? 'maiM' hamezA thA aura rahatA hI hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to rahegA hI na! praznakartA : to kyA aisA hotA hai ki yaha 'maiM' bAvA ko kucha samajhAtA hai?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 441 dAdAzrI : hotA hai na! (yahA~ para aisA samajhanA hai ki 'maiM' prajJA ke rUpa meM kAma karatA hai) praznakartA : aura vaha samajhane para bAvA 'maiM' ke pAsa AtA hai| kyA aisA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, usa samajha se hI AtA hai na! aura kyA? praznakartA : to phira yaha saba kyA hai ? agara bAvA ko pragati karanI ho to bIca meM kyA AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : aura kauna sI pragati karanI hai ? jitanA yaha 'maiM' batAe utanA hii| 'maiM' ke pAsa zabda nahIM hote| praznakartA : 'maiM' ke pAsa zabda nahIM hote? to vaha kisa taraha se samajhAtA hai use? dAdAzrI : yaha to vaha jo zakti hai na, prajJAzakti, vaha 'maiM' kA bhAga hai| pyora hI hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : lekina usakI saMjJA se hI yaha ho jAtA hai, zabda nahIM haiM, usakI upasthiti se hI yaha saba calatA hai| agara vaha nahIM hogA to yaha saba nahIM cala paaegaa| bAvA Age bar3hegA hI nahIM, nIce gira jAegA lekina car3hegA nhiiN| praznakartA : kyA prajJA use car3hA detI hai? dAdAzrI : prajJA kI vajaha se hI car3hatA jAtA hai aura prajJA kI gairahAz2irI meM gira jAtA hai| jAgRti gaI ki nIce giraa| maiM jo kaha rahA hU~, vaha kAma AegA na? praznakartA : hA~ daadaa| bAta to bahuta spaSTa hai, ekdm| kliyara samajha meM A jAe, aisI hai| aba isameM maMgaladAsa ko jo iphekTa AtA hai to bAvA para usakA kitanA asara hotA hai?

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442 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa khuda apanA iphekTa bhugatatA hai aura agara khuda kA iphekTa na ho aura bAvA kA ho to bAvA bhugatatA hai| praznakartA : athavA bAvA kA iphekTa maMgaladAsa para AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : iphekTa to Amane-sAmane AtA jAtA hai, lekina usakA khuda kA arthAt khuda kA hii| yadi terI icchA ho, taba bhI maMgaladAsa nahIM bdlegaa| bAvA kI icchA ho ki maMgaladAsa meM aisA parivartana ho jAe to parivartana nahIM hogA aura maMgaladAsa kI icchA ho taba bhI isa bAvA meM koI parivartana nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : dAdA, kaI bAra aisA hotA hai ki hama eka samajha ke anusAra cala rahe hote haiM, aba vaha samajha to bAvA kI hotI hai ki 'bhAI, isa paMkhe kI havA nahIM khAnI cAhie, lekina phira kisI saMyoga kI vajaha se vApasa usakI bilIpha badala jAtI hai ki 'nahIM, paMkhe kI havA khAnA to bahuta acchA hai| arthAt isa prakAra bAda meM usakI bilIpha badala jAtI hai| taba vApasa prakRti ko yaha paMkhA acchA lagane lagatA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira? praznakartA : to yaha jo prakRti banatI hai aura prakRti iphekTa meM AtI hai, usake pIche mUlabhUta kAraNa to bAvA ko jo jJAna prApta huA hai, vahI hai na? dAdAzrI : bAvA se hI prakRti banatI hai| bAvA hI prakRti banAtA hai| prakRti, prakRti ko nahIM bnaatii| pahale bAvA ne banAI thii| to usase yaha kucha bhAga prakRti bana gayA aura bAkI kA bAvA ke pAsa rhaa| jJAna se, jo jJAna ke saMyoga milate haiM, usase jitanA cenjebala hotA hai, vaha bAvA ke pAsa rahatA hai aura jitanA cenjebala nahIM hotA vaha prakRti meM rhaa| praznakartA : ekz2ekTa aisA hI hai ! aba bAvA ke pAsa vAlA jJAna cenjebala hai?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' dAdAzrI : jJAna hamezA cenjebala hI hotA hai| cAhe bAvA ke pAsa ho yA kisI ke bhI pAsa ho / jJAna arthAt ajJAna aura ajJAna eka prakAra kA jJAna hai| aMta meM sabhI kA samAveza jJAna meM hI ho jAtA hai| ajJAnajJAna, ardhadagdha jJAna, ardhadagdha ajJAna sabhI kA samAveza jJAna meM hI ho jAtA hai aura jJAna hI ina saba ko badalatA hai aura jo pyora jJAna hai, vaha to bhagavAna hI hai| bAkI saba jagaha para isase nimna hai, usa kAraNa se bheda par3a gae / yaha bAvA, jJAna bhI bAvA kA hai, ajJAna bhI bAvA kA hai| 443 - kauna sI DigrI para, jJAnI pada va bhagavAna pada ? hama jJAnI haiN| jJAniyoM meM kyA hotA hai ? jJAnI kyoM kahalAte haiM ? assI pratizata, nabbe pratizata, pacAnave, ninyAnave pratizata taka jJAnI aura sau pratizata para khuda / praznakartA : Apane kahA hai na ki tIna sau unasaTha taka bAvA hai aura tIna sau sATha ho jAne para bAvA khtm| dAdAzrI : phira to bhagavAna bana jAtA hai ! tIna sau unasaTha taka vaha jJAnI hai| tIna sau paiMtAlIsa se lekara lagabhaga tIna sau unasaTha taka vaha jJAnI kahalAtA hai lekina yaha saba bAvA meM hI AtA hai / hamane sabhI sTezana dekhe haiM / Apako bhI sabhI sTezana dekhane pdd'eNge| maiM kevalajJAna svarUpa, aisA zuddhAtmA hU~ / hameM dAdA bhagavAna ke darzana karane haiM (zIze meM dekhakara bola rahe haiM) ye jo dehadhArI dikhAI de rahe haiM, ve dAdA bhagavAna haiM ! aisA hai na tIna sau pacapana DigrI se tIna sau sATha DigrI taka saba bhagavAna hI kahalAte haiM ! praznakartA : ataH isa tarapha bAvA tIna sau paiMtAlIsa yA tIna sau pacAsa ho aura dUsarI tarapha 'maiM' tIna sau sATha ho, to kyA isa prakAra se eTa e TAima donoM ho sakate haiM ? dAdAzrI : hai na! hamArA vahI hai|

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444 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA : arthAt bAvA tIna sau chappana para hai / dAdAzrI : bAvA tIna sau chappana DigrI para hai / praznakartA : aura Apa tIna sau sATha para / dAdAzrI : 'maiM' tIna sau sATha para aura tIrthaMkaroM meM donoM hI tIna sau sATha / praznakartA : kevaliyoM meM bhI donoM tIna sau sATha / dAdAzrI : kevaliyoM meM donoM tIna sau sATha hoM yA na bhI hoM, lekina tIrthaMkaroM meM to donoM tIna sau sATha / bheda, tIna sau sATha aura tIna sau chappana DigrI kA praznakartA : tIrthaMkaroM kI tIna sau sATha DigrI aura ApakI tIna sau chappana DigrI, vaha bheda samajhAie | dAdAzrI : tIna sau sATha vAle aisA nahIM kahate ki 'calo Apako mokSa duuN'| aura dekho! maiM to khaTapaTa karatA hU~ na, 'calo mokSa detA huuN'| ohoho Ae bar3e mokSa dene vAle ! jaba saMDAsa nahIM AtI taba julAba lenA par3atA hai ! Ae bar3e mokSa dene vAle ! yaha to aisA hai na ki jo aisA kucha bhI nahIM kahate, ve vItarAga haiM aura hama khaTapaTiyA vItarAga haiM / yaha jo khaTapaTa karate haiM vaha kisalie? kyA peTa meM duHkha rahA hai ki khaTapaTa kara rahe ho ? praznakartA: dUsaroM ke lie / dAdAzrI : mana meM aisA bhAva hai ki 'jaisA sukha maiMne prApta kiyA vaisA sabhI prApta kreN'| anya kucha bhI nahIM cAhie, duniyA kI koI cIz2a nahIM cAhie lekina yaha bhI bhAva hI hai na ! jaba taka bhAva hai taba taka yaha DigrI kama hai| jaba taka koI bhI bhAva hai taba taka saMpUrNa vItarAga nahIM haiN| ataH hamArI cAra DigrI kama haiN| jabaki tIrthaMkara to kucha bhI nahIM khte| bilkula ulTA ho rahA ho aura ve dekhate haiM ki yaha ulTA

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 445 ho rahA hai taba bhI nahIM bolte| eka akSara bhI nahIM bolate, viitraag| Apa logoM ke kAma Ate haiM ye khttpttiyaa| praznakartA : dAdA, sattAvana, aThAvana aura unasaTha kA kyA hai phira? dAdAzrI : vaha to phira DigrI bar3hatI jAtI hai na, vaha dazA aura bhI ucca prakAra kI hotI hai| vaha dazA bahuta ucca hai| praznakartA : hameM z2arA samajha meM Ae aisA kucha batAie na? dAdAzrI : vaha (sthiti) jaise-jaise AegI na, taba samajha meM A jaaegaa| praznakartA : tIna sau sATha vAle ko yaha jagat kaisA dikhAI detA dAdAzrI : koI jIva du:khI nahIM hai, koI jIva sukhI nahIM hai, koI doSita nahIM hai| sabakucha regyUlara hI hai| saba jIva nirdoSa hI dikhAI dete haiM, hameM bhI nirdoSa dikhAI dete haiM lekina hameM zraddhA meM nirdoSa dikhAI dete haiM, zraddhA meM aura jJAna meM, cAritra meM nahIM isIlie hama kahate haiM na ki 'tUne yaha galata kiyA, isakA yaha acchA hai| jaba taka acchA-burA kahate haiM taba taka vartana meM nirdoSa nahIM dikhAI dete! hameM zraddhA meM z2arUra nirdoSa dikhAI dete haiM lekina abhI taka yaha vartana meM nahIM AyA hai| jaba yaha vartana meM AegA taba hamArI tIna sau sATha DigrI pUrI ho jaaeNgii| hamAre mana meM kucha bhI nahIM hai, rAga-deSa z2arA se bhI nahIM haiN| zabdoM meM kahate haiN| 'maiM', 'bAvA' aura 'maMgaladAsa', yaha kauna samajhatA hai? praznakartA : lekina usa jJAna kI z2arUrata hai jo jJAna bAvA ko 'maiM' meM biThA de? aMtima jJAna... dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha samajhatA hai ki yaha caMdUbhAI maiM hI huuN| kahatA

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AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) hai, 'vahI hU~ na maiN'| isalie abhI bhaTakanA pdd'aa| aura jo kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to vaha pyora ho jAtA hai, phira koI parezAnI nhiiN| khuda pyora jJAna ko hI, 'maiM hU~', aisA kahatA hai| pyora jJAna, thrI haMDreDa siksTI DigrI para se hI 'maiM hU~', vaha mAnyatA hai / vahA~ se jitanA Age AegA, tIna sau paiMtAlIsa DigrI para A jAe tabhI se vaha jJAnIpuruSa kahalAtA hai / 446 praznakartA : aba bAvA kI zuddha sthiti honA, usameM maMgaladAsa cAhe kaisA bhI ho sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa se hameM kyA lenA-denA? maMgaladAsa kI Diz2Aina to badalegI hI nahIM ! iphekTa ho gayA hai| Diz2Ainebala (ancenjebala) iphekTa ho cukA hai / vaha zuruAta meM janma ke pahale se ho cukA hai, vaha badalegA nahIM / yaha badala sakatA hai| praznakartA : bAvA ke pAsa jitanA ajJAna hai, utanA hI usa para asara hotA hai na ? dA.dAzrI : utanA hI / praznakartA: aura agara vaha vijJAna meM A jAe to asara nahIM hone degA ? dAdAzrI : tIna sau sATha vAle ko to hogA hI nahIM / praznakartA : nahIM hogaa| ataH vAstava meM aisA hai ki maMgaladAsa kA asara bAvA para nahIM ho sakatA / isakI (bAvA kI) jitanI nAsamajhI hai utanA asara maMgaladAsa para hotA hai / dAdAzrI : varnA asara hogA hI nahIM / praznakartA : ThIka hai / aura Apa jo bAta kara rahe haiM na, Apa usa pyora jJAna kI bAta kara rahe haiM ki bAvA ko eka bhI asara svIkAra nahIM karanA hai| dAdAzrI : phira ?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 447 praznakartA : arthAt aisA hai ki ApakA jo bIca vAlA yaha bAvA kA pada hai, utanA usakI (bAvA kI) samajha meM hai| kevaladarzana hai arthAt bAvA ko pUrA, ekadama pyora darzana mila gayA hai isalie maMgaladAsa para hone vAlA koI bhI asara Apako sparza hI nahIM krtaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, tUne dekhA hai bAvA ko? praznakartA : maMgaladAsa kA phoTo to ekjekTa liyA hI jA sakatA hai| bAvA bhI dikhAI de, aisA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha yoM sthUla rUpa se nahIM dikhAI detaa| praznakartA : yAnI vaha samajhA jA sakatA hai ? bAvA kA pada aisA hai ki samajha meM A jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha kevalajJAna meM dikhAI detA hai aura tIna sau chappana taka samajha meM AtA hai, tIna sau unasaTha taka, tIna sau chappana taka kucha samajhatA hai, tIna sau sattAvana ho jAe~ to kucha aura z2yAdA samajhatA hai, tIna sau aThAvana para bar3ha jAtA hai, aura tIna sau unasaTha para aura jyAdA bar3hatA hai aura sATha meM pUrNa ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : bAkI bArasa, terasa, caudasa aura pUnama ke dina pUnama ho jAtI hai| pUnama tIna sau sATha, caudasa se Age kii| praznakartA : kaimare se maMgaladAsa kI phoTo lI jA sakatI hai| vaha aisA hai ki dikhAI detA hai, to kyA bAvA bhI dikhAI de sakatA hai? / dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa, vaha phiz2ikala hai| bAvA phiz2ikala nahIM hai| phira bhI phiz2ikala hai lekina dikhAI nahIM de, aisA phiz2ikala hai| praznakartA : arthAt jJAna se samajha meM A sakatA hai ki yaha bAvA kA hI pada hai|

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448 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : vaha samajha meM AtA hai| vaha darzana meM AtA hai, samajha meM AyA isakA matalaba darzana meM A gyaa| yadi darzana meM nahIM AyA hai to use adarzana kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : yaha maMgaladAsa kA pada hai, yaha bAvA kA pada hai, aisA kauna samajhatA hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiN'| praznakartA : prajJA ke rUpa meM? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : ye bAhara kI, vyavahAra kI avasthAe~ vagairaha saba kauna dekhatA hai? vaha sArA maMgaladAsa dekhatA hai yA bAvA? dAdAzrI : maMgaladAsa dekhatA hai lekina yadi dekhane vAle bAvA kI icchA hogI tabhI dikhAI degA, nahIM to nahIM dikhAI degaa| praznakartA : usa bAvA kI jisameM icchA hai, inTaresTa hai| dAdAzrI : dekhane vAlA (bAvA) honA caahie| ye to cazme haiN| maMgaladAsa cazme jaisA hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha saba dekhane vAlA bAvA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~! dekhane vAlA bAvA hai| praznakartA : to phira acchA-burA karane vAlA bhI bAvA hai? jo acchA-burA karatA hai, vaha bAvA hai ? dAdAzrI : basa! nahIM to aura kauna? praznakartA : aura jo bAvA ko jAnatA hai ki bAvA ne yaha saba kiyA, vaha hama khuda, 'maiN'| dAdAzrI : 'maiM' yaha sabhI kucha jAnatA hai| 'maiM' maMgaladAsa ko bhI jAnatA hai aura isa bAvA ko bhI jAnatA hai, sabhI ko jAnatA hai|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 449 praznakartA : jagat ke logoM ko arthAt jinhoMne jJAna nahIM liyA hai unameM kisa prakAra se hai yaha sArA? bAvA kA pada aura maMgaladAsa kA pada hai hI? unameM 'maiM' hotA hai ? unakI samajha meM tInoM pada hote haiM yA unheM patA nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : sabhI kucha hotA hai unameM / unakI samajha meM nahIM hotaa| jJAna ke bAda hI samajha meM AtA hai| praznakartA : yaha jo ahaMkAra jJAtA bhAva se aura kartA bhAva se rahatA hai, to bAvA kA bhI aisA hI koI kArya hotA hai na dAdA? ahaMkAra aura bAvA meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hI bAvA hai na! bAvA meM mukhya cIz2a ahaMkAra hI hai| jisameM ahaMkAra kama hotA hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai| kama ahaMkArI hai| jisameM ahaMkAra khatma ho gayA hai, vaha bhI bAvA hai| praznakartA : taba phira bAvA kA astitva hI khatma ho gayA na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : yA phira bAvA nirsahaMkArI pada meM rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : hamArA cArja karane vAlA ahaMkAra hI khatma ho cukA hai| hamArA 'maiM' 'ahaMkAra' khatma ho cukA hai, lekina yaha bAvA abhI taka ahaMkArI hai, tIna sau chappana vaalaa| ataH DiscArja ahaMkAra rahatA hai, nahIM to saMDAsa bhI na jA paae| praznakartA : to dAdA isa hisAba se, tIrthaMkaroM meM DiscArja ahaMkAra bhI khatma ho cukA hotA hai, to unakA bAvA bhI khatma ho cukA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, phira unheM kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'taa| praznakartA : khAnA-pInA, saMDAsa, anna kucha bhI nahIM? dAdAzrI : unakA khAne-pIne kA alaga taraha kA hotA hai, khilAne vAle alaga haiM, sabakucha alaga hotA hai| kitane hI kAma zarIra hI karatA

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450 AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) rahatA hai| khilAne vAle -pilAne vAle alaga hote haiM, aMdara calAne vAle alaga hote haiN| TheTha mokSa taka pahu~cAne vAle bhI alaga hote haiN| 'dAdA bhagavAna' aura 'dAdA bAvo' jJAnI bhI bAvA aura Apa bhI bAvA / phaoNloarsa bhI bAvA lekina kisake phaoNloarsa ? isa bAvA ke bAvA / jJAnI, logoM ke sAmane aisA kabUla nahIM karate ki 'bAvA hU~' kyoMki ve jAnate haiM ki phira bhakti calI jaaegii| ye bhagavAna kyA nahIM kara sakate ? hamAre lie to dAdA jo kaheM, vahI sahI hai| dAdA, ve bhI bAvA hI haiM na, thor3e hI koI bhagavAna haiM ? 'dAdA bhagavAna' ve bhagavAna haiM aura dAdA, ve bAvA haiM / praznakartA : hameM to dAdA bhagavAna bhI bhagavAna lagate haiM aura bAvA bhI bhagavAna hI lagate haiM / dAdAzrI : Apako to aisA laganA hI cAhie, yaha to maiM pyora bAta batA rahA huuN| itanA pyora koI kahegA hI nahIM na! hameM aisI koI bhAvanA hI nahIM haiM na ki merA nAma rahe ! aisA to maiM hI kahatA hU~ na, 'mujhameM barakata nahIM rahI!' ye 'dAdA bhagavAna' phira se nahIM mileMge, itane pyora bhagavAna ! kyoMki dUsare bhagavAna to aisA hI kahate haiM, 'maiM khuda hI bhagavAna hU~ aura maiM hI isakA kartA-dhartA hU~', lekina maiM to aisA kahatA hI nahIM na ! praznakartA : nahIM, nhiiN| dAdAzrI : jo haiM, unhIM ke lie kahatA hU~ na ki ye haMDreDa parasenTa bhagavAna haiN| anya kisI bhagavAna kA galata nahIM hai / bilkula sahI bAta hai lekina ve khuda ko bhagavAna kahate haiM isIlie hameM utanA pUrNa lAbha nahIM milatA jabaki inase to kyA Azcarya sarjita ho sakatA hai, vaha kahA nahIM jA sakatA!

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 451 isIlie to saba ko dAdA bhagavAna dikhAI dete haiM na! nahIM to dAdA bhagavAna dikheMge hI nahIM na! caubIsa ghaMTe dAdA bhagavAna kA dhyAna rahatA hai, vaha kisalie? Aja taka koI bhI isa taraha se yAda nahIM rhe| sabhI kA smaraNa karanA par3atA hai, ye apane Apa hI A jAte haiN| ye to vismRta hI nahIM hote jabaki bAkI saba kA smaraNa to yAda karanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : yaha to apane Apa hI zurU ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : apane Apa hI calatA hai| loga to kahate haiM na ki 'yaha kyA Azcarya hai ?! hama na cAheM phira bhI ve hamAre dhyAna meM rahate hI haiN| taba jJAna prakaTa hotA jAegA praznakartA : taba to aisA kahalAegA na ki hama meM bhI kevalajJAna svarUpa hI haiM? dAdAzrI : ve hI haiM na! praznakartA : to phira vaha jJAna bAhara kyoM nahIM nikalatA? dAdAzrI : bAhara kaise nikalegA lekina? abhI to mIThA lagatA hai na! jitanA mIThA lagatA hai, utanA hI jJAna para AvaraNa AtA hai| __ ye DiscArja ke rasa (ruci) ttuutteNge| jaise-jaise TUTeMge vaise-vaise vaha jJAna prakaTa hotA jaaegaa| diyA to hai kevalajJAna svarUpa, lekina maiMne kahA na ki mujhe bhI nahIM pacA hai aura Apako bhI nahIM pcegaa| aura kevalajJAna ke binA kabhI bhI ciMtA jA nahIM sktii| kramika mArga meM koI aise jJAnI nahIM hue haiM jo ciMtA rahita hoN| aMtima avatAra meM, jinakA carama zarIra hotA hai, unakI ciMtA jA cukI hotI hai| praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM, 'hama meM tIna sau chappana DigrI kA jJAna hai, lekina hamane Apa logoM ko to tIna sau sATha DigrI kA de diyA hai'| isakA kyA artha hai ?

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452 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) dAdAzrI : isakA artha itanA hI hai ki mujhe tIna sau sATha kA thA, lekina mujhe pacA nahIM aura tIna sau chappana para Akara kAMTA ruka gyaa| Apako bhI nahIM pacA hai| vaha tIna sau dasa para hai abhI taka, tIna sau dasa-bIsa para hai| Apako nahIM pacA hai na? tIna sau sATha diyA thA lekina tIna sau bIsa para A gayA, kisI kA tIna sau dasa para A gayA, lekina tIna sau se Upara hai saba kaa| jabaki the do sau pr| sau, eka sau dasa ekadama se pAra kara liyA hai| ye nirmala loga the isalie yaha mila gayA, nahIM to dAdA bhagavAna kahA~ se milate? thor3A-bahuta bhI nirmala ho, z2yAdA nahIM lekina agara thor3A bahuta bhI nirmala ho to dAdA bhagavAna prApta ho jAeMge, nahIM to dAdA bhagavAna prApta nahIM hoMge! itanA pharka hai, jJAnI aura bhagavAna meM praznakartA : lekina dAdA! jJAnI aura bhagavAna meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnI aura bhagavAna meM itanA hI pharka hai ki jJAnI samajha sakate haiM, sabhI kucha dekha sakate haiM, lekina jAna nahIM skte| ye jo dikhAI dete haiM na ve to bhAdaraNa ke paTela haiM aura maiM to jJAnIpuruSa hU~ aura dAdA bhagavAna alaga haiM, ve to paramAtmA hI haiM caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| merI tIna sau sATha DigrI pUrNa nahIM huI haiM aura tIna sau chappana para ruka gayA hai isIlie aMdara jo prakaTa hue haiM una bhagavAna meM aura mujhameM judApana hai| yadi merA tIna sau sATha ho gayA hotA na, to hama donoM ekAkAra ho jaate| lekina abhI yaha judApana hai kyoMki itanA yaha nimitta hogA na, logoM kA kArya karane kA, isalie judApana hai| ataH jitane samaya taka hama bhagavAna ke sAtha eka rahate haiM, abheda bhAva meM rahate haiM, utane samaya taka saMpUrNa svarUpa meM rahate haiM aura jaba vANI bolate haiM taba alaga (judApana) ho jAtA hai| prakaTa huA caudaha loka kA nAtha praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM ki 'caudaha loka kA mAlika prakaTa ho gayA hai', isakA kyA matalaba hai?

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 453 dAdAzrI : vaha saba ApameM bhI hai| 'caudaha loka kA mAlika prakaTa huA', isakA matalaba yaha hai ki jahA~ phula skela meM khuda hAz2ira ho gae haiN| jahA~ para AvaraNa nahIM rhaa| jo AtmA ko dekha sakatA hai, use kevalajJAna kahate haiN| isalie hamane kahA hai na ki hameM kevalajJAna nahIM pacA hai| itanA jJAna hone ke bAvajUda bhI, pUrI duniyA hamAre darzana meM A gaI hai lekina jJAna meM nahIM AI hai| jabaki kevalajJAna kaisA hotA hai? kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rhtaa| ataH hama samajha gae ki itanI, isa DigrI taka Akara ruka gayA hai aba / yaha tIna sau chappana DigrI taka kA to hamane batA diyA, lekina sattAvana nahIM ho rahA hai aura hameM karanA bhI nahIM hai| merI icchA bhI nahIM hai| mujhe kyA hai ? 'he vyavasthita, tujhe garz2a ho taba karanA na!' hama to gAr3I meM baiTha gae, phira jhaMjhaTa gAr3I vAle kI! jJAnIpuruSa, vahI dehadhArI paramAtmA praznakartA : Apa to AtmA haiM to phira ApameM kauna sA bhAga jJAnI hai? dAdAzrI : jitanA AtmA huA, utanA hI jnyaanii| jitanA tIna sau chappana kA AtmA huA, utanA hI tIna sau chappana kA jnyaanii| AtmA jJAnI hI hai lekina usakA AvaraNa haTanA caahie| jitanA AvaraNa haTA, tIna sau sATha DigrI kA haTa gayA to saMpUrNa ho jaaegaa| tIna sau chappana kA haTA to cAra DigrI kA AvaraNa hai| Apako to aura z2yAdA DigrI kA AvaraNa hai| dhIre-dhIre Apake AvaraNa TUTate jaaeNge| AvaraNa TUTa jAe~ to vaha khuda hI jJAnI hai| AvaraNa kI vajaha se vaha ajJAnI dikhAI detA hai| tIna sau chappana DigrI aMtarAtmA kI aura tIna sau sATha paramAtmA kii| isa jJAna kI prApti ke bAda Apa bhI aMtarAtmA ho aura hama bhI aMtarAtmA haiN| hamArI DigrI tIna sau chappana hai|

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) praznakartA: darzana meM tIna sau sATha DigrI haiM, jJAna meM nahIM A pAtIM isIlie yaha saba hai na ? 454 dAdAzrI : lekina vaha pada nahIM mAnA jAegA na ! phira bhI zrImad rAjacaMdra ne khule dila se kahA hai ki 'jJAnIpuruSa, dehadhArI paramAtmA hI haiM ' / aisA kisalie kahA thA ? khuda kI AbarU bar3hAne ke lie nahIM isalie ki unake pIche par3oge to ApakA kAma ho jAegA, nahIM to kAma hogA hI nahIM / dehadhArI paramAtmA ke prAkaTya ke binA kabhI bhI kAma nahIM ho sakatA / dehadhArI ke rUpa meM paramAtmA hI haiM / praznakartA : jaba Apa kahate haiM ki 'ye jJAnIpuruSa haiM' to isase kyA saMketa dete haiM Apa ? dAdAzrI : aMtarAtmA ! vaha aMtarAtmA cAra DigrI ke bAda meM paramAtmA banane vAlA hai| mAna lo koI kalekTara to hai lekina usakA pahalA sAla haiM, abhI hI kalekTara banA hai nayA-nayA aura dUsare kisI kI bIsa sAla se kalekTara kI naukarI ho cukI hai, taba vaha kamiznara banatA hai / bIsa sAla kI naukarI ho gaI, kamiznara banane ke eka mahIne pahale bhI vaha kalekTara thA aura yaha bhI kalekTara thA lekina donoM kA eka sarIkhA nahIM khlaaegaa| yaha to kala kamiznara bana jAegA aura Apako to abhI dera lagegI, bIsa sAla bItane ke bAda / praznakartA : nahIM dAdAjI, Apa jo kahate haiM ki 'aMdara bhagavAna baiThe haiM aura maiM tIna sau chappana para hU~', taba AtmA to eka hI hai / I dAdAzrI : vaha regyUlara kahalAtA hai / byorevAra / ataH ye jo kalekTara haiM, ve to bIsa sAla taka kalekTara raha cuke haiM, isalie jAnate hI haiM ki na jAne kaba mujhe kamiznara banA deM, kahA nahIM jA sktaa| usI prakAra ye jJAnI bhI jAnate haiM ki apane tIna sau sATha kaba pUre ho jAe~ge, kahA nahIM jA sktaa| ataH khuda apane pUre pada ko jAnate haiM lekina abhI jisa pada para haiM, logoM ko vaisA hI batAte haiM / nIce kalekTara likhA rahatA hai / yaha vItarAgoM kA jJAna hai| z2arA sA bhI gappa yA Ter3hA-mer3hA kucha nahIM calatA /

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 455 'hai' use 'hai' hI kahanA par3egA aura jo 'nahIM hai' use 'nahIM' kahanA pdd'egaa| jo 'nahIM hai' use 'hai' nahIM khlvaate| hama se aisA kahalavAne jAe~ge to hama manA kara deMge ki hama aba azakta haiM, hamArI zakti kAma nahIM kara rhii| jo 'nahIM hai' use 'hai' kahalavA hI nahIM skte| nahIM hai jaldabAz2I kevalajJAna kI praznakartA : lekina phira bhI dAdA pUre vItarAgI kahalAe~ge na? dAdAzrI : pUre vItarAgI nahIM kahalAe~ge tIna sau sATha meM cAra DigrI kama... praznakartA : lekina dAdA, jaba Apa 360 DigrI para A jAe~ge to vahI vItarAga hai| ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vItarAga! lekina isa kAla meM nahIM bana sakate, isa kSetra meM yaha nahIM ho sktaa| isalie hama aisI jaldabAjI nahIM kara rahe haiN| hameM jaldI bhI kyA hai ? hamArA puruSArtha isa tarapha mur3a gayA ki logoM ko lAbha ho| yadi yahA~ para ho sakatA to hama apanA puruSArtha dUsarI tarapha mor3a dete| vaha ho nahIM sakatA isIlie hamane puruSArtha isa tarapha mor3a diyaa| praznakartA : bahuta puruSArtha karane para bhI isa kAla meM cAra DigrI pUrNa nahIM ho sakatI? dAdAzrI : puruSArtha kareM hI kisalie? yahA~ parIkSA hogI hI nahIM to paDheM kisalie? jahA~ parIkSA honI ho, vahA~ para pddh'eNge| abhI se yahA~ para par3hane lagA to loga kaheMge, 'kyoM ApakI parIkSA A gaI?' 'nahIM bhAI, parIkSA ke to bahuta dina bAkI hai| maiM kahA~ jhaMjhaTa kruu|' jJAnI kI karuNA duniyA meM bAkI saba loga mila jAe~ge, lekina maiM, jJAnI va aMbAlAla nahIM mileNge| 'maiM' kauna? 'maiM', ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM / ye jJAnI

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AptavANI - 13 (uttarArdha) haiM aura aMbAlAla paTela haiM / maiM, jJAnI va aMbAlAla nahIM mileNge| yaha yoga nahIM milegA, bAkI saba yoga mila jAe~ge / bhagavAna khuda hAz2ira nahIM hoNge| ye jo ho gae so ho ge| maiM, pUre brahmAMDa kA bhagavAna yaha kaha rahA hU~, usakI gAranTI detA huuN| 'jo jitanA kanekzana kara legA, vo usake bApa kaa|' 456 vAstava meM ye tIna vibhAga to maiM kara detA hU~ / maiM, jJAnI aura aMbAlAla, tIna vibhAga kara detA hU~ aura usake pIche karuNA hai| vAstava meM do hI bheda haiM dAdA bhagavAna aura aMbAlAla, do hI haiM lekina tIna karane kA kAraNa yaha hai ki dUSamakAla ke jIva haiM aura zaMkAlu haiN| bekAra kI zaMkAoM se balki inakA bigar3egA / ataH unheM judA kara diyA, tAki zaMkA hI khar3I nahIM ho na ! - isase use ThaMDaka rhegii| hA~ ! isalie tAki aba usakA pAgalapana khar3A na ho| vAstava meM do hI haiM ye / kRpAludeva ne to kahA hai, 'jJAnIpuruSa, ve dehadhArI paramAtmA hI haiM' lekina ye tIna vibhAga banA die haiN| isakA kAraNa hai, usake pIche kI karuNA / tAki yahA~ se bhAga na jAe, yahA~ AyA huA bhaTaka na jaae| khulA rahasya akrama vijJAna ke mAdhyama se yaha to jitanI bAta nikale utanA hI ThIka, varnA to nikale hI nahIM n| dRSTi ke binA nahIM nikala sakatI kabhI bhI / yaha saba to maiM Apake lie kaha rahA hU~ / praznakartA : lekina akrama vijJAna ne aMtara kA pUrA rahasya jJAna khola diyA hai| dAdAzrI : kabhI khulA hI nahIM thA / isameM to aMta taka eka-eka kadama cale haiN| praznakartA: ina zAstroM meM yA koI dUsarA aMdara kI aisI bAteM nahIM batA sakA hai|

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[7] saba se aMtima vijJAna - 'maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa' 457 dAdAzrI : ho hI nahIM sakatA na, jAnegA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : AtmA hai aura bAkI saba pudgala hai| basa! dAdAzrI : aMta taka yahI hai aura jaba jAna lete haiM taba aisA batAte nahIM hai| aisA to maiMne batAyA hI nahIM kabhI, yaha to Aja hI batAyA hai kyoMki hama saMpUrNa dazA meM rahate haiN| akele meM 360 pr| do meM nahIM rhte| 356 ke darzana hote haiM aura 360 para hama rahate haiM isIlie darzana karane vAloM ko bahuta phAyadA hai! abhI bAta karate samaya itanA phAyadA nahIM hotaa| tamAma zAstroM kA sAra, maiM bAvA... aba yaha vijJAna zAstroM meM kaise mila sakegA? kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM ho sktaa| yaha to jaba dasa lAkha sAloM meM prakaTa hotA hai, taba z2Ahira ho jAtA hai| kevalajJAna jAnane ke bAda bolanA nahIM rahatA hai| khaTapaTiyA nahIM rahate na? jAnate haiM lekina khaTapaTa nahIM krte| jo jAnate nahIM haiM, ve khaTapaTa kaise kareMge? aura maiM to jAnatA hU~ aura khaTapaTa bhI karatA hU~ aura bukhAra kA bhI pUchatA hU~, kaba se bukhAra A rahA hai? aura maiM jAnatA bhI hU~ ki pUchane vAlA kauna hai, bukhAra kise A rahA hai| vaha saba jAnatA hU~ ! bAvA ke bAre meM sunA hai Apane? merA pUrA hI jJAna bAhara A gayA Thic praznakartA : saba ko aMtima jJAna mila gyaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, mila gyaa| vaha to agara kisI dina nikala jAe to vAstava meM nikala jAtA hai| aisI barasAta hotI hai, eka hI barasAta se uga nikale utanI barasAta hotI hai| cAroM mahIne, eka hI barasAta se uga jAte haiM, nahIM to, cAroM mahIne barasAta ho to bhI phasala na uge, pAnI mIThA nahIM hai na! mIThI barasAta to eka hI bAra hotI hai| yaha bhI vaisA hI huA hai|

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458 AptavANI-13 (uttarArdha) Apako bAvA kI bAta samajha meM AI? ekjekTa? taba to sabhI zAstra par3ha lie| yaha jo udAharaNa diyA hai na, isameM tamAma zAstroM kA sAra A gyaa| itanA yadi samajha meM A jAe na ki kisa hada taka, kahA~ taka usakI DimArkezana lAina hai ! taba kaheMge, jahA~ para, jahA~ taka phiz2ikala hai, vahA~ taka maMgaladAsa hai| ___ yaha bAta duniyA meM kabhI bAhara AI hI nahIM hai| pahalI bAra bAhara AI hai| merI bhAvanA hai, lekina use kaise batAe~? aisA kisa taraha kaha sakate haiM? Apako samajha meM kaise AegA? bAvA kauna aura maMgaladAsa kauna aura maiM kauna? isalie maiM, bAvA aura maMgaladAsa meM sabakucha phiTa ho gyaa|

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mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda pudgala : jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai nikAla : nipaTArA lakSa : jAgRti pUraNa-galana : cArja honA, bharanA-DiscArja honA, khAlI honA UparI ': baoNsa, variSTha mAlika rAjIpA : gurujanoM kI kRpA aura prasannatA baru : jaMgalI paudhe kI nukIlI DaMDI ThapakA : ulAhanA, DapaTanA saMvara : karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA lAgaNiyA~ : lagAva, bhAvukatA vAlA prema ajaMpA : becainI, azAMti, ghabarAhaTa kar3hApA-ajaMpA : azAMti, kur3hana, kleza, Akroza olaMbA : bhUlaMba, sAhula hU~pha : sahArA, salAmatI, surakSA, rakSaNa upAdhi : bAhara se AnevAlA duHkha potApaNAM (Apo) : maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana nirjarA : Atma pradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA azAtA : duHkha-pariNAma bhogavaTe : sukha yA duHkha kA asara, bhugatanA

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aho! adbhuta adbhuta ye AptavANiyA~ ina saba AptavANiyoM meM buddhi rahita vANI nikalI hai| usI meM se ye likhI gaI haiN| yAnI ki yaha jo TeparikaoNrDa kI vANI nikalI hai na, vaha mAlikI rahita vANI hai| yaha vItarAga vANI kahalAtI hai! ye pustakeM par3hakara loga kahate haiM ki ye vItarAgI bAteM haiM sArI, ina dAdA kii|aho! aisI adbhuta pustakeM!' aisA kaI logoM ko samajha meM A gayA hai| par3hane vAle isakI alaukikatA para ApharIna rahA karate haiN| hamAre eka-eka zabda meM anaMta-anaMta zAstra rahe hue haiM! ise samajhe aura sIdhA cale to kAma hI nikAla degaa| ekAvatArI huA jA sake, aisA hai yaha vijJAna! lAkhoM janma kama ho jaaeNge| isa vijJAna se to rAga bhI khatma ho jAtA hai va dveSa bhI khatma ho jAtA hai aura vItarAga bana jAte haiN| aguru-laghu svabhAva vAle bana jAte haiN| ataH isa vijJAna kA jitanA lAbha uThAyA jA sake, utanA kama hai| - dAdAzrI AtmavijJAnI 'e. ema. paTela' ke bhItara prakaTa hue dAdA bhagavAnanA asIma jaya jayakAra ho ISBN 978-93-86321-800 9-789386-321800 Printed in India Price 120 dadabhagwan.org