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when will you be able to sleep? You will be able to sleep when you gain the knowledge that the snake has left. Now when will all this end? Therefore, everything becomes emotional because of all this. The intellect makes one emotional, not the ego. Ego is a good thing. All these tricks are of the intellect buddhi; it is the intellect that causes all the problems. It brings on the udvega. It brings udvega from vega-motion.
The 'one' who experiences udvega, is not the Self
Questioner: But even now residual feelings of udvega arises within us, does it not?
Dadashri: Udvega and vega will both occur but they are happening to 'Chandulal'. They are not happening to You, the pure Self. 'You' will know that the udvega is occurring in 'Chandulal'. If Chandulal has done transaction of udvega, then 'Chandulal will experience it, otherwise he will have aavega or vega. You will know that all.
Questioner: But we live trapped in udvega, do we not?
Dadashri: No it is not like that. Do you believe that the one who is trapped in udvega is 'Chandulal' or You?
Questioner: But 'Chandulal' remain trapped does he not?
Dadashri: He may be trapped but what does that have to do with You? Whatever has to discharge is going to discharge, there is no other way. You do not have any say in it. You should not feel that You are trapped, because the pure Soul is the pure Soul. Shuddhatma is Shuddhatma. Nothing can affect it and that is Shuddhatma.
Questioner: But, I can see that 'I am pure soul' even then 'Chandulal' still remains the same.
Dadashri: Whatever karmas remain are the ones being discharged. If he makes a donation, you will say, 'Chandulal is a good man.' That is also 'that'. And if he does such an udvega, even then he is 'that'. Both are one, with the same nature swabhav. It si the nature of a human being to scorn and repel from the bitter and to be attracted to the sweet and pleasant. The Lord has called them both one natured ek swabhavi.
