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Dadashri: No, it likes this. Even when the buffalo's owner feeds her good food, she will say, 'No, I don't want to do anything with him' but when she gets very hungry, she will not perceive this pleasure of the ditch as pleasure. She will get up if the hunger pangs hurt her. She will get up if she is very hungry or if the temperature outside cools down and it is no longer comfortable to remain inside.
Questioner: But there must be a key to getting out of garavata?
Dadashri: When it starts becoming cold outside (uncomfortable, it will automatically get out.
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Questioner: But do such circumstances arise in human beings in garavata?
Dadashri: No, no. Right now they are all in garavata. Would they go from Pedar Road (luxurious area of Mumbai) to Santa Cruz ( working class neighborhood)? They will only go when they are bankrupt. They will go when they have no money, when they have nothing. Or when he is evicted.
Questioner: So people cannot get out of garavata at all?
Dadashri: Garavata! O ho ho! but are they even prepared to come out of garavata? No, they are happy where they are so they will remain there forever.
Questioner: But the real happiness is not there, is it?
Dadashri: It is not, is it? And yet the whole world remains in garavata.
Questioner: So how can this garavata go away for worldly beings?
Dadashri: It will go away if they see another order of happiness.
Questioner: Will one be freed from garavata if he gets a better kind of happiness?
Dadashri: Yes, then one can be freed. The other happiness gets established in his conviction pratiti. If they are convinced about the other
