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Dadashri: It has all been decided by 'him in the past and then he has
come.
Questioner: And now then, he clings on to it again?
Dadashri: If one is not Self-realised agnani he becomes attached. If one has Gnan and abides by the five Agnas, he will not get attached.
Questioner: Can he still not become free from it? Does he not have to suffer it all?
Dadashri: He had endorsed it. ( He has become the doer in the past
life)
Questioner: Is he not endorsing it again by taking pleasure from the current garavata again?
Dadashri: No, not if he has taken our Gnan.
Questioner: In this garavata, so far in this life, are the tendencies of chit not spread out?
That is why cannot be focused,
Dadashri: It is all spread out. concentrated.
Questioner: So is this garavata , is it not the height of spiritual laziness pramaad?
Dadashri: Pramaad is a different thing and this garavata is different. Garavata means that one does not even think about getting out. But a person with pramaad will think, 'I need to do something higher'. Whereas the other is not even aware or he does not even think I am in garavata'. The whole world is in garavata. Up until now everything is considered garavata. The water-bufallo will not get up.
Questioner: The sun will eventually set and the water buffalo will have to come out. But do circumstances not change in this way in order for worldly beings to come out of their garavata?
