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meaning. It is meaningless.
Questioner: Ah ha! He attempts to see after becoming absorbed tanmayakar!!
Dadashri: Yes, that is why it is all meaningless!
Questioner: So then what kind of separation does one have to maintain in order to see'?
Dadashri: After doing purushartha! If on the basis of vyavasthit, it happens to become absorbed tanmayakar in the other, then do not let it happen, and You remain in yours, as the Self, keep that separate, and 'see' it separate. That verily is the purusharth! Now such 'seeing jovoo and knowing janavu,' does not remain, does not happen, does it?
The mahatmas just say that they see and know' only. They all say that they remain in the state of 'seeing and knowing'. They say 'all we have to do is see and know.' I tell them, “That is very good!?!' But how are they to see and know'? Even when they all make this claim, I simply let go. I recognize and understand that the first standard in school is always like this.
Questioner: But the karma continues to unfold twenty four hours a day, no?
Dadashri: The karma continues to unfold all day, yes. Then along with it, there is also the state of being absorbed tanmayakar. But along with that the purushartha of keeping the two separate is also at work. However, that purushartha is weak in many places. Most of the time one remains in the state of being absorbed tanmayakar. The whole day long, everything passes by in this manner without one realizing it. Then he claims, 'I saw and knew'. Hey you! What did you 'see and know'. What do you consider seeing and knowing'? Did you see the ghosts?
What is to be seen'? If vyavasthit is engaging and dragging “it' in the process of becoming absorbed tanmayakar, You have to know that vyavasthit is taking 'it' in that direction, so You bring it back, and keeping it in the spiritual space', begin to see from the beginning what is burning , how it began. Such purusharth is needed.
