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'We' had gone to Surat. There 'we' met an ascetic who was a great renunciate. He practiced renunciation very firmly. Many people would come to do his darshan, that was the kind of man he was. He told everyone, 'Come look! Look! Who is this Dada? If ever I have seen a man totally free of all attachment mamata, He is the one. He is completely free from expectations. I have met some two hundred or so very religious human beings and saints, but I have not seen a single saint who is without any expectations. All I met had at least some expectation or the other. Whereas this Dada is the only man without any expectation that I have seen in my life.' 'We' understood that this ascetic was truly blessed that he could see this and test this in the spiritual path. This is because I knew about myself that there was absolutely no attachment mamatva 'my-ness' in me; I did not have such attachment from a very young age. Therefore, there is no one in this world without any attachment mamata. Without attachment mamata means a person without ego. You do not have to look for ego where there is no attachment.
So what is a Gnani Purush like? He is without any attachment and He is ego-less. He will live the way nature keeps him. He does not have any 'Iness' potapanu.
Where there is no 'my-ness' there exists the supreme Self
Where one has any selfish interest, even a trace of my-ness-mamata, there cannot be any salvation. God manifests where there is no my-ness-mamata. Ego exists only due to attachment-this is mine mamata.
Questioner: Is it possible that mamata gives rise to the ego, which in turn gives rise to raag-attachment?
Dadashri: No, it is mamata which gives rise to everything. Why does the 'I' exist? It exists because of 'my'. Otherwise, the 'I' is the absolute Selfparamatma. 'My' means mamata. Once there is a separation between the 'T' and the 'my', then what is left? The 'T' and that 'I' verily is the pure Soul.
Questioner: Would everyone become a Gnani if they became free from mamata?
