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Dadashri: Adhiyas? No. This is all considered adhiyas but 'hum' surpasses even adhyias. Belief of 'I am the body,' is a different thing. But you cannot deal with the belief of 'hum'. The poor body is naive and so are anger-pride-deceit-greed. But there is nothing like 'hum' in this world. It is most weird because it arises in one who has zero spirituality.
I would recognize a person with 'hum'. He has a certain sound just as a counterfeit coin has a certain sound. Have you ever seen a counterfeit coin?
Questioner: Certain people with “hum 'I am something great walking around, are recognizable, no?
Dadashri: No. 'I am something' is a different thing. Those people around you with 'I am something are people living a worldly life. Their “hum' will go away sooner or later. As soon as they experience any suffering, their 'hum' goes away. But who will get rid of 'hum' in these false ascetics? That hum then 'takes' them into 'sohum' - I am that. (!)
Questioner: Does a person have some quality in order for this 'hum' to arise? Do he have any substance?
Dadashri: What substance? They have nothing. Hum arises because otherwise how is to live? What is the basis of his existence? He exists on this 'hum.' Before his living was based on material things and now he lives on 'hum'. Even though he is alone, he gets food to eat and water to drink because of his merit karma punyai. He gets to eat and drink and his 'hum' will continue to increase. He claims, What for me?I get everything. There is nothing that I cannot get.' Yes! We agree that you get everything you want, but how can you know where from you are getting it? Then when your hum' gets bigger and stronger, who will remove it for you?
Questioner: So how can one get rid of the 'hum?
Dadashri: Is 'hum' ever likely to go away? How can 'hum' go away? How can that which has arisen on its own go away? The ego will go but not the 'hum'.. The definition of ego ahamkar is to claim to be at a place where one is not. Such ego can go away. One does not do anything and yet he says,
