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material thing. What is he going to do with things? The intense greed (alacha) is for what is derived from such things.
Questioner: Is it not the same for a greedy (obhi) person?
Dadashri: A greedy person is better because he has greed for only certain things. He does not worry about anything else. Sometimes he does not even care about women or other things. The only problem he has is with his greed (lobh).
Questioner: Which is worse, greed or intense greed?
Dadashri: Intense greed (lalacha)! A person with intense greed will not get the opportunity for liberation. Straight people do not have any such difficulties. The life of a person with intense greed (alacha) will remain full of insults and difficulties.
Questioner: But does he feel hurt by the insults?
Dadashri: If that were the case, his inclination towards intense greed (alacha) would subside. A person with too much intense greed (alacha) is openly shameless (naffar).
Questioner: So the one who has pride (maan) and wants respect, does not care about intense greed (alacha)?
Dadashri: The one who is concerned about his pride and status is not likely to give into other weaknesses. This is because he is afraid of being insulted.
Questioner: But what if intense greed for pride enters into it?
Dadashri: Yes, that intense greed is there too. That is the intense greed (lalacha)! We call that beggary (bheekh) for respect (maan).
Questioner: But can a greedy (lobhi) person also be a (lalachu) (one with intense greed)?
Dadashri: No, there is a big difference between the two.
Greedy means greedy and intensely greedy (alachu) means intensely greedy and covetous. A greedy person has awareness but a person with intense greed (lalacha) and avarice moves about without any care or awareness (bebhaan) of what is beneficial or harmful to him, he is constantly harming himself.
Questioner: Does he realize he is harming himself? Dadashri: No, he does not. He is not aware of it at all.
That is why a person with greed (lobh) can become free some day. Which kind of person becomes free first? It is a maani (one with a lot of pride; one who wants a lot of importance) and a krodhi (someone with anger). These people are naïve and are easily deceived. Others can see their shortcomings and will point them out to them however: greed (lobh) cannot be seen. The one with greed cannot see his own greed. Greed can be so deep that even the owner cannot see it. 'We' have to point it out to him!
Questioner: Greed will not go away, is it because it is so deep?
Dadashri: Yes, it will not go away that easily, it will work a person to death. Nevertheless, a greedy person has some principles. A person with avarice and intense greed (alacha) on the other hand, has no principles. A person with lalacha will not abide by or practice the Gnani's Agnas at all. He would not be able to do so even if he wants to.
Questioner: But what if he has good inner intent and feelings for the Gnani Purush?
Dadashri: He would not be able to attain anything even if he has good intentions. So a lobhi (greedy person) can be freed but not a lalachu - one with avarice and intense greed.
After this Gnan, a little of greed remains somewhat alive whereas lalacha (intense greed) remains completely alive. But the greedy person has a 'safe-side' (his liberation will occur at
