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Aptavani-9
How can one be freed from garavata?
Questioner: So this illusion bhranti of pleasure, is a form of garavata?
Dadashri: Everything is garavata.
Questioner: Does one not bring all the circumstances of garavata one encounters from his past life? Is it not his karmic account?
Dadashri: It has all been done and decided and he has brought it with him.
Questioner: But even then he clings on to it again?
Dadashri: If one is not Self-realized (agnani) he clings on to them. If one has Gnan and abides by the five Agnas, he will not hang on.
Questioner: Can he still not break free from it? He has to endure the suffering from it does he not?
Dadashri: He had endorsed it. (He had taken on the liability by being the doer in the past life)
Questioner: Is he not endorsing it again by taking pleasure from the current garavata again?
Dadashri: No, not if he has taken our Gnan.
Questioner: In this garavata, so far in this life, are the tendencies of the chit not spread out?
Dadashri: It is all spread out. That is why focused concentration cannot be achieved.
Questioner: So is this garavata not the height of spiritual laziness pramaad)?
Dadashri: Pramaad is a different thing and this garavata is different. Garavata means one does not even think about getting out. But a person with pramaad will think, 'I am being
lazy (pramaadi), I need to do something higher! Whereas the one in garavata is not even aware or he does not even think 'I am in garavata'. The whole world is in garavata. Up until now everything is considered garavata. The water buffalo will not get up.
Questioner: The sun will eventually set and the water buffalo will have to come out. But do circumstances not change in this way in order for human beings to come out of their garavata?
Dadashri: No, it likes this. Even when the buffalo's owner feeds her good food, she will say, "No, I don't want to do anything with him but when she gets very hungry, she will not perceive pleasure sitting in the ditch. She will get up if the hunger pangs hurt her. She will get up if she is very hungry or if the temperature outside cools down and it is no longer comfortable to remain in the ditch.
Questioner: But there must be a key to getting out of garavata?
Dadashri: When the temperature cools down she will automatically come out.
Questioner: But do such circumstances arise in the life of these human beings in garavata?
Dadashri: No, no. Right now they are all in garavata. Are they likely to go from Pedar Road (luxurious area of Mumbai) to Santa Cruz (working class neighborhood)? They will only go when they become bankrupt. They will go when they have no money, when they have nothing or when they get evicted.
Questioner: So people cannot get out of garavata at all?
Dadashri: Garavata! O ho ho! But are they even prepared to come out of garavata? No, they are happy where
