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(tanmayakar) under the dictates of vyavasthit, we should not let 'him' become tanmayakar. Now to maintain this separation....
Dadashri: That 'action' is verily the purusharth. Questioner: Who keeps this separation?
Dadashri: You have to do that. What do you mean who has to do it? The one, who keeps the separation, will keep it. But You have to decide 'I want to remain separate When You are the pragnya, You will do this, keep the separation. When you remain as Chandulal (in ignorance - agnya): you will become tanmayakar. But You have to make a decision. If it happens on this side, know that pragnya has done it, if it happens on the other side; know that agnya - ignorance - has done it. You have to decide, 'I want to do only purusharth. I have become a Purush. Dada has made me a Purush; the Soul the Self. He has separated Purush and prakruti. Therefore, I want to do purusharth.' That is what you have to decide.
Otherwise, on the most part, most of the energy goes into the prakruti the entire day, the water just goes to waste flowing this way. This is how the experience as the Self grows
Questioner: So the 'I-ness' will remain as long as there are unfolding karmas, correct?
Dadashri: The karma will continue to unfold even after the 'I-ness' (potapanu) is gone, but there is no potapanu in those unfolding karmas
Questioner: Yes, that will only happen when the 'I-ness' goes away, right?
Dadashri: Even thereafter, the karmas will continue to unfold but there will be no 'I-ness' in it. 'We too have unfolding karma, but there is no 'I-ness! Everyone's 'I-ness' is there where the karmas unfold. But it will continue to go down after
attaining Gnan. It will not increase. It will go down until it ends completely.
Questioner: And one sees the 'l-ness' when the karma unfolds, does he not?
Dadashri: Yes. That is why 'we' have said that the experience of the Self will increase as the karmas unfold and the ego will go down. This is how everything becomes regular. The experience as the Self (anubhav) then continues to increase.
Specific details of 'seeing and knowing'
Questioner: So then we do not have to worry about getting rid of the ego. It will happen automatically in an orderly manner as the karmas unfold (udaya) and all we have to do is simply see it
Dadashri: No. You still have to do purusharth. Do not take the approach, 'I do not have to do anything'. In fact, the real purusharth remains to be done from this moment onwards.
Questioner: But what other purusharth is there besides just 'being the seer (jonaro)?
Dadashri: You have to see continuously but such 'seeing' does not occur. Such continuous 'seeing' is not easy. You have to do purusharth. If You employ purusharth, then You will be able to see!
Questioner: So what kind of purusharth is to be done?
Dadashri: Only the purusharth to see what is 'burning' within and how is it burning.
Questioner: That is the 'seeing' is it not?
Dadashri: But this 'seeing' ovanoo) it is not easy. Man cannot 'see: he is not able to see. If he does purusharth then he will be able to see'. If one becomes the Self (the Purush) and does the purusharth of not becoming absorbed (tanmayakar), then only the 'seeing' is possible. Otherwise
