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not be fruitful if the prakruti does not become upsham. Questioner: But that prakruti is still going to act up and overflow, is it not?
Dadashri: It may act up. But even then, sooner or later the purusharth of the person with upsham prakruti will be fruitful. It will not overflow once it becomes upsham. The state of upsham will not go away.
The one whose prakruti has become upsham stays with the Gnani
Questioner: What is in upsham?
Dadashri: Upsham means that a person will not go away no matter how much negative pressure is put on him. He will go astray for a while but he will come back. He will not go away from here, all others will. They will run away if you harass them enough but not the one with upsham prakruti. He would not leave even if he were to die.
Questioner: Where will he run to?
Dadashri: Wherever he can, wherever he feels safe. Questioner: So he will run away from You, Dada?
Dadashri: Yes. And if I am not here and if he is sitting with someone else, he will run away from there too but the one with upsham will not run away even if you were to kill him. The grave danger of leaving the Gnani Purush
And the other will start his own agenda: 'This is yours, ours is different'. He will start a separate sect (gachha). When three people get together, it is called a sect. When three ascetics or any three people get together and worship, it is considered a gachha. The Lord has called it a division; a gachha. What is wrong with divisions? You can always find three people.
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Questioner: But the path to liberation is not to be found where there are sectarian divisions (gachha), is it?
Dadashri: Yes, when there is a sect; that is the end of it. But people create such divisions: 'this is mine, mine is different and their's is different'.
Questioner: Then he is bound to fall.
Dadashri: He has already fallen. He falls from the moment he moves away.
Speech without ownership is the sign of the Gnani
Entire 'I-ness' (potapanu) gradually melts down to zero after attaining Gnan. One is considered a Gnani when it goes down to zero. Then his speech (vani) will change. Vani flows only after potapanu leaves. By whatever proportion the 'T-ness' goes away, that much speech will arise, and that speech is correct. Until then all speech is wrong. Elsewhere, except for those who have taken our Gnan, there is a presence of 'I-ness' whenever people speak. Such speech will not have any effect; it will blow away in the wind. That is not speech; it is all relative. As for our mahatmas, they are to speak only after their 'I-ness' is gone, otherwise they are not to speak.
Moreover can any mahatma who has taken Gnan speak even a single sentence that is his own and stand independently? No. This is the sign that no one has attained the 'main' thing yet. No one has attained the absolute state yet. He cannot speak even a single sentence; if he did, I would be astonished. I would say, 'that is enough proof!' I would realize that it is amazing if I were to hear even a single sentence! But it is not possible, is it? How can he utter even a single sentence? How can vani (speech) flow? How can the speech without ownership flow?
Questioner: It would be more than enough if one were to methodically say exactly what you say.
