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If the Gnani Purush can draw a line of demarcation for you between the 'real' and the relative, then this puzzle can be solved
Besides the Tirthankara Lords, no one had this line of demarcation. The twenty-four Tirthankaras had placed this line of demarcation correctly as did some others who became Gnanis. Then, 'we' have placed a precise and exact line of demarcation. Whom can you call a Gnani? You need Gnanis like the Tirthankaras, who differ only slightly and who place a precise line of demarcation between what is real and what is relative. They make it clear: "This is real and this is relative."
What has happened in the world is people believe the relative to be real and then they go about their life with this belief. They have not attained the reality even for a day and they accomplish nothing. They wander around for countless births from one life to another. There has never been a line of demarcation between the real and the relative and that is why the world is in a state of confusion. Because of this people believe the relative to be real and they try to make the relative gurutam; give it increasing and undue importance. They make gurutam of that which is to be made laghutam, that which needs to be devalued. This verily is the illusion (bhranti). Then what do they claim? 'We are removing the illusion', but the illusion is actually increasing. Don't you think so?
Say a scientist carries out a certain experiment and I carry out the same experiment. If I do not know how to conduct the experiment, what is likely to happen?
Questioner: A sudden fire.
Dadashri: Yes and all the ingredients would be wasted. All my efforts would be wasted and on top of that I will burn my fingers. What would happen if I stuck my finger in the experiment to test it? And if the scientist were to stick his
finger to check it, he would not get burnt. Do you understand? Therefore, the one conducting the experiment should be familiar with it. I have given you the line of demarcation between the relative and the 'real' and so you do not have to worry The intent of Laghutam makes one follow
The Five Agnas Now what are 'we' saying? You now have the exact line of demarcation of what is real and what is relative. The line of demarcation delineates exactly. 'this much is real and this much is relative! In the 'real' there is the Shuddhatma, the Self. And in the relative', you have been given the five sentences (the Five Agnas). Everything else is nikali - simply a discharge of past karmas - it is of no concern to You, the real Self.
Questioner: Does the discharge continue to take place?
Dadashri: Yes, the discharge is taking place on its own. A person does not have to wait in anticipation to go to the bathroom in order to relieve himself. The one who sits and waits is a fool. Thus, everything else is a discharge. So what do you have to become?
Questioner: Laghutam.
Dadashri: Laghutam! Yes, just simply this bhaav. And Dada's Agnas are in the laghutam bhaav. So now, you simply have to become laghutam in the relative. When the line of demarcation between the 'real' and the relative' is established, and when you become laghutam in the relative, then you will have inner bliss amidst all the worldly miseries. That is true samadhi.
How laghutam have you become?
Questioner: That only Dada can know. I do not have a "thermometer' to gauge that.
