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is not the abuser, he is a Shuddhatma.'
The One who knows, 'This is not T, this is I", is the Self. There should be awareness of, 'This is 'T' and not this.'
Questioner: In which instances, is 'potey' (the Self) in and in which instances is potey' not? What does 'one' 'see' in
Questioner: So no matter what kind of results unfold, one should have the laksha (awareness) 'this is not mine?
Dadashri: Yes, this is I and this is not I'!
Questioner: Here I can see that I am separate from this shirt, but what is to be seen there?
Dadashri: That is exactly how one 'sees' it all separate within.
Questioner: What does he see' in his vision (darshan)? Give us one example.
Dadashri: Will you not know that, 'This stone is separate and my hand is separate'? Will you not know that these are the attributes of the stone and these are the attributes of my hand?
Questioner: Yes. I would know all the attributes of the stone, that it is heavy, it is cold, it is square...
Dadashri: It is smooth.
Dadashri: In all aspects. When 'We give you Gnan, 'We give you Gnan of what you are and what you are not.
Questioner: That separation that occurred within; you called it the Soul!
Dadashri: That is it! That is the Atma - the Self.
Questioner: Now that state should remain constantly, should it not?
Dadashri: One should not forget to apply the awareness (laksha) to maintain the separation. Then later, continue to 'do the same again and again. Then one becomes the Self. When you fasten the buttons on your shirt, you instinctively know that the shirt can be removed; you have the knowledge this part is the shirt' and 'this part is me, do you not? Or does it all appear to be the same?
Questioner: No, one knows very well the separation there. But the phases (avastha) of the mind, body and speech arise and change constantly. So is it not here that an uninterrupted awareness is called for, awareness of this is I and all this is not I'?
Dadashri: It is not all that complex and involved. In certain circumstances there are instances where one has an 'interest in it and that is when he has to say, 'This is not mine.' Otherwise, after Gnan, one has indeed been separated and remains separate as the Self. Then later there is some interference and mixing.
Questioner: So how can one remain in the state of these are not my attributes and these are mine?
Dadashri: You should be aware and know this coldness is not mine, this softness is not mine, this smoothness is not mine, this anger that occurred is not mine, this deceit that occurred is not mine, the kindness that occurred is not mine and so on!
When you are lying down, can you not tell you are separate from the bedding? You understand that don't you?
Questioner: In that situation I can understand that the bed and the one sleeping on top are separate but the problem arises when it comes to maintaining awareness that the different phases of the pudgal - the non-Self complex of thoughts, speech and actions, are separate from the Self. In other words the problem is with maintaining the focused awareness (upayog jagruti).
