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Questioner: What kind of craftiness is it? Can you please explain this chaturai?
Dadashri: There is craftiness and cleverness (chaturai) in deceit. With whomever there is interaction of deceit: one will win over the other person through craftiness and cleverness. He will win over everyone through chaturai; only the Gnani will not fall under this spell. He will be able to get other people under his control. He employs craftiness with everyone; he knows how to do all that
Questioner: What should an individual who is being crafty do in order to become free from it?
Dadashri: How will he know this? He will not be able to know this at all. One cannot escape from his own craftiness You should not become a victim of that craftiness and cleverness (chaturai).
Questioner: Does that mean it is the prakruti (the nonSelf complex) that practices craftiness and cleverness?
Dadashri: The other person's prakruti does craftiness and cleverness because of kapat because he wants to engage his craft of kapat to trap others. But you have to be cautious if you do not want to be influenced by his kapat.
Questioner: How?
Dadashri: To begin with you should know how to listen keeping in mind whether something is beneficial or harmful to you. Ordinarily people accept sweet words that are harmful to them and reject bitter one that are for their own benefit.
Questioner: But whether the other person is telling me for my benefit or my detriment...
Dadashri: It is more than enough if you understand just this much. If you are at this level, it is more than enough.
Questioner: But after all, benefits or harm is applicable
to the worldly life is it not? Should we not recognize whether it has spiritual or worldly implications?
Dadashri: It is always worldly, it is never for the Self, is it? It is always related to the pudgal the non-Self. It is only when that (the importance of the non-Self) moves aside that one can attain the Self.
Questioner: One will not be victim of his craftiness and cleverness (chaturai) if he understands whether it is beneficial or harmful to him.
Dadashri: One does understand what is beneficial and what is harmful but he does not understand whether craftiness and cleverness (chaturai) is present or not. He is not able to know because to begin with, he has the habit of 'tasting sweetness. The minute someone calls out to him, 'welcome! Welcome, he loses all awareness. No matter how much you tell 'us, 'welcome... Welcome!' 'we' will not become a victim of this deceit (kapat).
Questioner: There is no worry if there is a nischaya (strong decision) for moksha! Then his words will not affect or touch us!
Dadashri: The nischaya for moksha is there for sure, but there is a lot of interference (dakhal - interference of becoming
Chandulal') in between also, is there not? Keval nij swabhav nu akhand varte Gnan - Only a continuous awareness as the Self prevails.'The nischaya is there for sure, but will it not have to prevail continuously? Moksha prevails, but it will have to prevail constantly, without interruption, will it not? Interruptions will not do.
Questioner: But whether something is beneficial or harmful, after all it falls in the worldly department - the relative department; does it not?
Dadashri: Yes, but it is verily the worldly things that one
