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between 'this is for the worldly life and this is beneficial for spiritual progress towards liberation', is it not?
Dadashri: That is called awareness. But that kind of awareness will not prevail at all. It is only in the absence of awareness that deceit (kapat) takes over. Nevertheless, the deeply ingrained old habit (latta) has to be fractured, does it not? The habit! The latta (habitual compulsion) to enjoy worldly pleasures!
Questioner: Does one not need to turn that habit around? How can this habit be broken?
Dadashri: The compulsive habit (latta) is there for sure. Now one needs to get rid of it; settle with it.
Questioner: How?
Dadashri: That habit will begin to leave the moment you decide and say, 'I do not need anything. I have all the happiness I need.' That latta will change the moment you decide, 'I do not want anything'.
Questioner: What all is included in relative worldly
benefits?
Dadashri: Everything! One meddles (behaves as Chandulal) when he is sitting in a train; he meddles when he is sitting in a bus. Everywhere you look, he is meddling.
Questioner: What kinds of situations are applicable there for the mahatmas who have taken Gnan?
Dadashri: Every situation. It is exactly the same situation he has come from (from past life). Everything (karma bondage) has become solid and that is exactly what is bearing fruits (effect) right now. If you remain in your jagruti and do not 'taste' these fruits or even if you 'taste' them but remain separate as the Self from the non-Self (Chandulal), then you have succeeded. Those fruits are sweet, are they not? That is
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why one is not able to remain separate. He will taste it (get involved as Chandulal), will he not? It is very difficult to rise above deceit (kapat). Deceit is the only dangerous thing. The kashayas of anger-pride-greed can be rid of but it is tough to get rid of kapat (deceit).
Questioner: So the worldly gains, its sweetness, kapat always remains with us. So then the difficulty of becoming free from it will inevitably remain.
Dadashri: Awareness (jagruti) will help. Along with this awareness, the decision and the nischaya (firm resolve) of, 'I do not want anything,' will help.
Questioner: So one has to make the firm resolve (nischaya) of 'I do not want anything except for moksha (liberation)?'
Dadashri: Yes, I do not want anything at all'. I do not want anything, whatever may come along, such a nischaya (resolution) will be necessary.
Questioner: In other words, once the decision for moksha is made, the train will get on the right track?
Dadashri: The decision for moksha has already come but along with that the decision of, 'I do not want this,' has to come also, does it not?
That is why I have instructed everyone to recite this sentence five times every morning: I do not want anything in this world'. The effect of it will then remain for the rest of the day.
Questioner: So if we are to examine in every situation as to 'what he (the relative self) wants and where he is at, then we can become free quickly, can we not?
Dadashri: Yes, but how will deceit (kapat) leave with an analysis? There is craftiness and cleverness (chaturai) within, is there not?
