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Questioner: If someone insults us, where is deceit (kapat) in that?
Dadashri: There is no deceit (kapat) in that. Kapat makes one take advantage of his own self. Deceit makes one digs his own grave. In the four kashaya of anger-pride-illusion and greed, illusion means deceit (the illusion deceives the self). Deceit (kapat) has become an enormously dense mass within. The karmic account that is created is verily of deceit. Everywhere, deceit binds an account (new karma for which repayment will have to make in the next life). Otherwise nothing can bother you.
Now that I have given you this Gnan, kashayas will no longer occur. People stray off in the direction of kashayas because of their old habits (prior to Gnan) of wanting to 'taste' what's going on. You will go and 'taste' it even when I tell you not to. This Gnan is such that, deceit (kapat) will not survive in anyone.
Questioner: This deceit prevents the awareness (jagruti)?
Dadashri: Anger-pride-greed also will not let you maintain awareness. Deceit will make you completely unaware. The owner (the one in whom deceit takes place) himself will not know what deceit (kapat) has taken place. The owner (person committing deception) himself will not know that he is employing deceit!! However in instances of anger-pride-greed, he may be somewhat aware. This deceit (kapat) is very deep: even the one doing kapat (deceit) will not be aware that he is doing it.
Questioner: If the one doing kapat cannot tell that he is doing kapat then how is he to recognize it? How can he be rid of this fault if he cannot identify it?
Dadashri: This is hidden, not only from the doer of the kapar, but everyone else around him too.
Questioner: How can one get rid of these faults of deceit (kapat)?
Dadashri: It is very difficult Questioner: How can we know the nature of this deceit?
Dadashri: To pull others into your own opinion and take them into your confidence for your worldly gains is kapat (deceit). A person who is doing this would not even know that he is doing anything wrong. He simply is not aware of it.
Questioner: What is included in the worldly gain? Is it mainly everything other than the goal of salvation (moksha)?
Dadashri: There is definitely a goal of liberation after this Gnan (knowledge of the Self). The problem is with the deeply ingrained old habits (latta); they will not leave once they become established. They cast a veil over the self and thus make it difficult for the owner to know that they (the kashaya of deceit) indeed exists within. The owner has no clue.
The owner is also not aware of the other kashaya of greed (lobh) either. A greedy person will never know, 'I am greedy.' Only the kashayas of pride (maan) and anger (krodha) are guileless (bhoda), so one can easily know their existence. One cannot identify maya - illusion that veils the Self, this verily is deceit (kapat). He cannot know of greed either.
Questioner: So this deceit (kapat) is mainly for the worldly benefits...
Dadashri: Deceit (kapat) is very tough; it is the greatest nuisance. Now how can it leave by itself? It will leave if one stops seeking advantage in worldly situations. Such a person is liberated indeed, is he not?
Questioner: That verily is what we call awareness jagruti), do we not?
Dadashri: That is not jagruti; I just showed you the way out of deceit (kapat).
Questioner: Awareness is to have an inner demarcation
