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Dadashri: You should live a life free from any insistence (khench)
Questioner: Give me an example of how one is insistent, please.
Dadashri: Suppose we are talking. I give you an answer and in order to make your point correct you bring up the same topic again. That is insistence (khench). This is what people do over and over again. If you have taken Gnan, then there should be no insistence. If there is any insistence, then get rid of it, because it is a mistake. There is no problem if you try to get rid of it and it does not go away. If there is continued insistence on your part, if Chandulal is insistent, then You have to simply observe it, by doing so, You are free. You are separate from your insistence if you remain the seer (onaro). Then you are in compliance with our' laws.
Insistence (khench) is something very different. Insistence means, if I say, "No, it is like this' but you keep belaboring your point in order to prove yourself correct, that is insistence. There is no truth where there is insistence; insistence is one of the biggest negative traits. The definition of being insistence-free is if someone tells you, 'I don't like it, then you say, 'very well. I will keep quiet', there is no botheration.
Questioner: So if someone keeps arguing and tries very hard to prove his point, does that mean he has no basis?
Dadashri: But even in those situations people do not argue with awareness, people argue because they do not have awareness. In fact, people argue because they lack awareness. Do you think someone with awareness would argue?
Questioner: Is it wrong or right to argue?
Dadashri: It is fine for the worldly life; it is fine if you want to do something for the worldly life, but it is wrong if you want liberation. In the worldly life, if you don't argue, people will
walk away with your things. But here in satsang, it is not appropriate to argue. There is nothing to say in whatever the Gnani tells you; arguing and discussions are only meant for the worldly life. In the worldly life you may even have to say, 'Dada, do not go in this car, go in this one.' But here in satsang?! What wisdom, what over-wise people there are! 'You are being overwise, this is what I have to tell some people.
This is a Vignan. Many people tell me: 'make laws, do this, do that' You fools! What kind of people are you that in spite of attaining such a Vignan you have not become wise? What a Vignan this is! A Vignan where there is no scope of arguments!
Questioner: Rules and laws were the only way to discipline people until now.
Dadashri: That is fine for people at large but ours is the path of liberation. People who want to wander around in this worldly life, they need laws. Otherwise, laws cause conflicts and conflicts give rise to the worldly life.
Questioner: Are there not laws on the path of liberation?
Dadashri: No laws are needed on the path of liberation. There are no laws here. Everything is natural. Whatever happens naturally is correct.
Questioner: You said, 'where there is liberation, there are no laws; where there are laws there is no liberation. Liberation is through absolute humility (param vinay).' So absolute humility encompasses everything, does it not?
Dadashri: Yes. Absolute humility encompasses everything. With rules, one will be required to keep a tulsi plant (tulsi leaves are used in prayer rituals in the Kramic path, they also have medicinal properties). If a mouse nibbles away at the tulsi, he will have to keep a cat to keep the mice away. The cat ruins the milk and so he has to keep a dog to protect the milk. Where
