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they are so they will remain there forever.
Questioner: But the real happiness is not there, is it?
Dadashri: It is not, is it? And yet the whole world remains in garavata.
Questioner: So how can this garavata go away for human beings?
Dadashri: It will go away if they see happiness elsewhere.
Questioner: Will it go away when they see happiness of another kind, which is better?
Dadashri: Yes, then one can be freed. Happiness of another kind will become established in his conviction (pratiti). He will become convinced about the happiness, which he has never seen before: 'It is exactly what Dada says, then it will go away.
Questioner: Do our mahatmas have this garavata?
Dadashri: Yes, and they are able to understand that they are possessed by garavata but they still like it.
Questioner: What is the solution for not wanting to stay in the garavata and to come out of it?
Dadashri: The solution is to decide in your mind, 'whether I have this or that, it does not make any difference to me. They are both the same.' Then there is a solution. Equalsamaan! They are both equal in your eyes!
Questioner: So the pleasure one gets from garavata...
Dadashri: He considers the value of this and the value of that to be equal; he makes them both equal.
Questioner: But what two values?
Dadashri: The value of this garavata and the value of other things like food and drink that is available. It (garavata)
will go away when the value of the two is made equal. When he comes to know and experience that there is no pleasure in either of them, then it will go way.
People do not understand garavata.
Questioner: But for those who have taken this Gnan is there any other solution to get out of garavata?
Dadashri: But who comes under the effect of garavata 'Chandulal' or the 'Shuddhatma'? If the effect of garavata remains, then he is "Chandulal' and if not, then he has become 'Shuddhatma!
Questioner: But Dada we have come here to do Dada's darshan, we want to sit with Dada, we have interest in that too, is that also not garavata?
Dadashri: No. That is not garavata. How can you call it garavata? This is the main thing. This is like nectar: 'We'do not have any garavata. 'We' do not have ras-garavata, 'We' do not have riddhi-garavata or siddhi-garavata, no form of garavata whatsoever. The whole world is rotting in garavata. The Gnani is never in garavata. Attain Liberation with help of the Gnani.
God is very pleased with 'us'. What kind of attributes does a Gnani with whom God is pleased, have? He does not have garva (doer-ship), he does not have garavata (any worldly indulgence); he is nispruha (no inner inclinations) and no unmattata (smugness).
Questioner: All these things go away when one becomes highly spiritually elevated, do they not?
Dadashri: No. But one is considered a Gnani only when all these kashaya go away. After they go away, 'we' say 'Il (the Gnani's speech) is a 'taped record that is speaking. Nobody in the world says, 'It is a taped record' (about their speech). If
