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(lalacha). So when a person with intense greed comes here, I tell him directly, 'Shape up here! You have taken a lot of beating and suffered for countless lives and yet the intense greed (alacha) within has not gone. If after coming here to the Gnani Purush you cannot take care of this problem, what good is it?'
The speech of the Gnani Purush is vitarag (speech free from all attachment). So the lashings one gets from this vitarag speech will hurt a lot, nevertheless these lashings are very effective. It brings about a tremendous change from within, however it is not evident externally.
The main attribute of intense greed at work is such that it will completely disregard even the words of the Gnani Purush. It will crush the Gnani's words and discard them. Intense greed - lalacha! The ego in the form of intense greed in a person will not break. When we give Gnan, this particular ego does not break; this part remains alive. That is what puts people in such a grave danger life after life. The ultimate solution is to follow Agnas
Questioner: Does intense greed (alacha) not go away after attaining this Gnan?
Dadashri: It remains alive.
Questioner: So does that mean the Gnan does not have the desired result for him?
Dadashri: Certain portion of Gnan has given results but the intense greed (alacha) is still alive.
Questioner: So does that mean that Gnan has not produced the kind of results one needs and is that why this happens?
Dadashri: No. The Gnan cannot give results because one is a lalachu. Intense greed (lalacha) is at the core; there
is a tuber of intense greed within! This intense greed (alacha) will not allow the Gnan to give result. That is why the scriptures say a covetous person (alachu) gradually works his way down to hell. He will not leave anything alone.
Questioner: Is it possible to remain as the knower-seer (gnata-drashta) of intense greed (alacha) after attaining Gnan?
Dadashri: No. When the time comes, temptation arises and the intense greed (alacha) will drag him there and make him slip. The place where he 'slips' is where he loses awareness. In all other matters he remains very aware, but during situations, which cause him to slip, he is not able to maintain awareness.
Questioner: But Dada, he has attained the state of Shuddhatma. So does He (the Self), not keep 'seeing' that?
Dadashri: But he is not able to see' in situations where he slips. He sees everywhere else but not there. And he slips because of intense greed lalacha.
Questioner: Does he slip because he does not remain in the Gnani's Agnas at that time?
Dadashri: It is because of intense greed that he cannot remain in the Gnani's Agnas. Because of the lalacha he becomes the self, ie, he becomes absorbed with the relative-self (Chandulal). Therefore, he needs to make a great purusharth (effort) there.
Questioner: Will his intense greed (alacha) go if he takes Gnan again?
Dadashri: No it will not. Is it going to go away just by sitting in the Gnan Vidhi? It will happen only when he makes an effort to abide by the Agnas and he makes a firm decision to constantly abide by them. If he breaches the Agna then he must do pratikraman for it, then he will make progress.
