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One is free from everything except the 'hum', and this 'hum' is very wrong. Instead it would be better to have two wives, at least his 'I am something' (the hum) would go away. Would that not happen when the wife curses or insults him? But who will curse this useless bull-like man when he lives by himself? When he does not have a wife and never comes under anyone's control, the 'hum' will increase. In addition he has countless inner spiritual blocks (atkan).
One does not create ego; it is something that is natural to one's being. It is there. One is caught in the forces of circumstances. Ego is nothing but a wrong belief and so one can become free from it. Whereas this 'hum-I am something' is a different thing. I have seen all those thums! When one keeps saying, 'hum' 'hum'. I know what is going to become of him. I will immediately know what seat he has reserved for himself (rebirth in a lower life form). Would I not know that?
Questioner: So is this 'hum-I am someone great' a strong ego?
Dadashri: No, 'hum' does not touch the ego. The ego may subside but the 'hum' will not
'Hum' will do whatever it chooses. These poor policemen do not have thum' of this kind. The ego will subside if you reason with it or coax it, but this 'hum' is a completely different thing. The thum' of worldly people will leave after it takes a beating
Questioner: Is this 'hum' connected with adhyas (the constant belief of I am the body)?
Dadashri: Adhyas? No. This is all considered adhyas but 'hum' surpasses even adhyas. The belief of 'I am the body,' is a different thing. But you cannot deal with the belief of 'hum. The poor body is naïve and so is anger-pride-deceitgreed. But there is nothing like 'hum' in this world because it is automatically born on its own when there is nothing there.
I would recognize a person with thum'. He has a certain sound just as a counterfeit coin has a certain sound. Have you ever seen a counterfeit coin?
Questioner: Certain people with 'hum-I am something great' that walk around are recognizable, are they not?
Dadashri: No. 'I am something' is a different thing Those people around you with 'I am something' are people living a worldly life. Their 'hum' will go away sooner or later As soon as they experience any suffering their 'hum' goes away. But who will get rid of 'hum' in those others (so called ascetics)? That 'hum' is then taken into 'sohum' (I am that)!
Questioner: Does a person have some quality in order for this 'hum' to arise? Does he have any substance?
Dadashri: What substance? They have nothing. Hum arises because how is one to live otherwise? What is the basis of his existence? He exists on this thum. Before his living was based on material things and now he lives on 'hum. Even though he is alone, he gets food to eat and water to drink because of his merit karma (punya). He gets to eat and drink and his thum' will continue to increase. He claims, 'Just look what I get! I get everything. There is nothing that I cannot get.' Yes! We agree that you get everything you want, but how can you know where you are getting them from? Then when your 'hum' gets bigger and stronger, who will remove it for you?
Questioner: So how can one get rid of the 'hum?
Dadashri: Is 'hum' ever likely to go away? How can Thum' go away? How can that which one created himself ever go away? The ego will go but not the 'humThe definition of ego (ahamkar) is to claim to be at a place where one is not Such ego can go away. One does not do anything and yet he claims to be the doer; that is ahamkar. Whereas, he himself has given birth to 'hum', so how can it leave? The 'hum... hum' continues.
