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Questioner: And if he has done something good, he will tell ten other people, 'I did this and I did that'. What should be done if that happens?
Dadashri: Yes, but it will only arise if he tells others about his deeds. Garvaras is that which arises when he tells others. He gets enjoyment from that. And if the other person is asleep, he will not be satisfied until he wakes him up and tells him!
Questioner: But does he not get encouragement when that happens?
Dadashri: He gets encouragement but what increases as a result? Is the soul likely to increase? It is the ego that increases.
Questioner: As the ego continues to get encouragement does the soul not lose by that much?
Dadashri: That does happen.
Questioner: Now when it is in the form of a discharge and one continues to see it as a discharge, without interruption; what is the process of that 'seeing?
Dadashri: When you watch a movie, what is being used in the process? Your sthool (external) eyes and your sookshma (subtle) eyes, both are used. When it is needed, these external eyes are used for external things and the inner eye is used for subtle understanding of internal things. So keep 'seeing' what it' (the pudgal-the relative self) is doing that is all! Know what it is doing
Keep seeing all the garvaras the relative-self tastes, and later, admonish him a little by saying, "Chandulal, why do you still taste this? Why don't you smarten up a little bit?' That is all.
Questioner: Sometimes I tell him, 'Be quiet and sit down you bundle of nonsense!'
Dadashri: Yes, he will straighten out if you call him a
"bundle of nonsense. Tell him he will not get even four pennies for his sense! Before they used to say, 'akkal na baardaan aviya' 'here comes the one laden with intellect
Now, is that garvaras bitter or sweet?
Questioner: It tastes sweet. But what should a person do in order not to taste it?
Dadashri: You do not have to do anything. Our Gnan is to simply know: 'I am not the taster of garvaras.' You have to maintain the awareness (laksha) of who you are. There is nothing to be done there, is there?
Our Gnan is such that you will not be able to take garvaras and even if you do, you will do instant pratikraman. If at any time, due to past habits the tendencies (vrutti) move in that direction, then it will immediately uproot them. Therefore those who have taken Gnan, our mahatmas, do not taste garvaras. Others do because they have not found the right path yet. Garavata : stuck in indulgence of worldly
pleasures Questioner: Then Krupadudev has used the word garavata. Please explain the word garavata in detail.
Dadashri: What do you call garavata? What does garavata mean? It is a different thing. Humans have garavata and so do cows and buffalos. All humans, even our mahatmas, have garavata. Even now people are immersed in garavata.
Now what is garavata? If you want to personally witness garavata let me give you an analogy. Usually there are ditches of fetid water near factories. These ditches are full of wastewater from the factories. Because of the salt in the water, the soil in the ditch breaks down to mud. There is a small amount of pitchblack water and mud about two feet deep. In order to escape the hot summer sun, the water buffalos look for trees or other
