Aptavani 14 Part 1 Hindi

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/034306/1

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LALI I | AptavANI zreNI -14 (bhAga-1)

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KATION dAdA bhagavAna prarUpita AptavANI zreNI-14 bhAga-1 khaMDa-1 vibhAva - vizeSabhAva - vyatireka guNa mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna hindI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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trimaMtra namo arihaMtANa namo siddhArNa namo AgariyANaM namo uvamASANaM namo loe savvasAhUrNa eso paMca namukAro, savya pAvappaNAsaNI maMgalANaM ca savvesi, pavarma havAi maMgalam 1 OM namo bhagavate vAsudevAya 2 OM namaH zivAya 3 jaya saccidAnaMda

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samarpaNa caudaha guMThANe car3hAe, caudahavIM AptavANI; sUkSmatama Atma saMdhi sthala, 'maiM' samajha meM AyA! saMsAra utpanna hone meM, mAtra bilIpha hai badalI; use jAnate hI, rAiTa bilIpha anubhava huI! svabhAva-vibhAva ke bheda, dAdA ne parakhAe; aho! aho! judApana kI jAgRti baratAe~! dravya-guNa-paryAya ke bheda ko, sUkSmatA se jAnakara; mokSa kA sikkA pAkara, huA Atma utsava ! sva meM rahe use, svastha AnaMda sadA; avasthA meM rahe use asvasthatA sadA! haiM cetanavaMtI, caudaha AptavANiyA~; pratyakSa sarasvatI, baratI yahA~! TUTe zraddhA mithyA, par3hate hI isa vANI ko; pAegA samakita, jJAnI ke anusAra calegA jo! 'maiM' samarpaNa, caraNoM meM akrama jJAnI ke; jaga ko samarpaNa caudahavIM AptavANI ye! - -DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba chaH baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti haI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSa janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke. aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve ApameM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" | 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisI ke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the|

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siddhAMta prApta karavAtI hai AptavANI praznakartA : AptavANI ke sabhI bhAga tIna bAra par3he haiM, usase kaSAya maMda ho gae haiN| dAdAzrI : ye AptavANiyA~ aisI haiM ki inheM par3hane se kaSAya khatma ho jAte haiN| kevalajJAna meM dekhakara nikalI huI vANI hai| bAda meM loga isakA zAstroM ke rUpa meM upayoga kreNge| __aura isameM hamArA kabhI bhI, siddhAMta meM badalAva nahIM AyA hai| saiddhAMtika jJAna kabhI bhI milatA hI nahIM hai| vItarAgoM kA jo siddhAMta hai na, vaha unake pAsa hI thaa| zAstroM meM siddhAMta pUrI taraha se nahIM likhA gayA hai| kyoMki siddhAMta zabdoM meM nahIM samA sktaa| unheM siddhAMtabodha kahA gayA hai, aisA bodha jo siddhAMta prApta karavAe lekina vaha siddhAMta nahIM kahalAtA jabaki apanA to yaha siddhAMta hai| khule taura para, dIye jaisA spaSTa / koI kucha bhI pUche, use yaha siddhAMta phiTa ho jAtA hai aura apanA to eka aura eka do, do aura do cAra, aisA hisAba vAlA hai na, aisA paddhatibaddha hai aura bilkula bhI ulTA-sIdhA nahIM hai aura kanTinyuasa hai| yaha dharma bhI nahIM hai aura adharma bhI nahIM hai| hamArI upasthiti meM hamArI ina pA~ca AjJAoM kA pAlana kiyA jAe na, yA phira agara hamArA koI anya zabda, ekAdha zabda lekara jAegA na, to mokSa ho jAegA, eka hI zabda! isa akrama vijJAna ke kisI eka bhI zabda ko pakar3a le aura phira usa para manana karane lage, usakI ArAdhanA karane lage to vaha mokSa meM le jaaegaa| kyoMki akrama vijJAna eka sajIva vijJAna hai, svayaM kriyAkArI vijJAna hai aura yaha to pUrA hI siddhAMta hai| kisI pustaka ke vAkya nahIM haiN| ataH yadi koI isa bAta kA eka bhI akSara samajha jAe na, to samajho vaha sabhI akSara samajha gayA! aba yahA~ para Ae ho to yahA~ se apanA kAma nikAlakara jAnA, pUrNAhuti karake!

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saMpAdakIya mUlataH brahmAMDa ke chaH avinAzI tattva haiM, una tattvoM meM aMdara hI aMdara kisa prakAra ke naimittika asara hote haiM aura saMsAra kA rUTa kaoNz2a utpatti, dhruva aura vinAza ke guhyatama rahasya evaM isa rUpI jagat kA mUla kAraNa parama pUjya dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikalI, bIsa-bIsa sAla se TeparikaoNrDa meM Tepa kI gaI vANI kA yahA~ para caudahavIM AptavANI (bhAga-1) meM saMkalana kiyA gayA hai| isameM saMsAra kA, rUpI jagat kA, rUTa kaoNz2a koI Izvara yA brahmA nahIM hai lekina yaha mukhya cha: avinAzI tattvoM meM se jar3a tattva aura cetana tattva ke sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se utpanna hone vAle vizeSa bhAva ke kAraNa hai| (vibhAva se saMbaMdhita pUrI vaijJAnika samajha khaMDa-1 meM samAviSTa kI gaI hai|) zuddha cetana tattva kA svabhAva hai ki vaha khuda ke svabhAva meM raha sakatA hai aura usase vizeSa bhAva bhI ho sakatA hai| svabhAva meM rahakara vizeSa bhAva hotA hai| yaha vizeSa bhAva khuda jAna-bUjhakara nahIM karatA hai lekina sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa, saMyogoM ke dabAva ke kAraNa ho jAtA hai aura mukhya rUpa se isakI nIMva meM ajJAnatA to rahI huI hai hii| isa vizeSa bhAva meM sarva prathama 'maiM' (aham) utpanna hotA hai| vaha pharsTa levala kA vizeSa bhAva hai| usa 'maiM' meM se (pharsTa levala ke vizeSa bhAva meM se) dUsarA, sekanDa levala kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, roMga bilIpha se, aura vaha hai ahNkaar| 'maiM caMdU hU~', vaha mAnyatA hI ahaMkAra hai (sekanDa levala kA vizeSa bhaav)| phira vaha ahaMkAra sabhI kucha Teka ovara kara letA hai| vizeSa bhAva meM se vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA rahatA hai| nae kA janma hotA hai aura purAnA khatma ho jAtA hai| cetana tattva ke vizeSa bhAva se jar3a tattva ke vizeSa bhAva meM pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) banatA hai| taba taka koI harja nahIM hai lekina phira ajJAna pradAna se 'maiM' ko 'maiM pudagala hU~', aisI mAnyatA, roMga bilIpha utpanna ho jAtI hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~', aisI roMga bilIpha utpanna ho jAtI hai aura krodha-mAna

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mAyA-lobha, ye vyatireka guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| maiM caMdU hU~', vahI mAnyatA duHkhadAyI ho jAtI hai| vaha mAnyatA chUTa jAe to phira koI duHkha rahegA hI nhiiN| yadi vizeSa bhAva meM itanA hI samajha meM A jAe to usake bAre meM tamAma khulAse ho jaaeNge| prastuta graMtha meM Ane vAle zabda jaise ki vibhAva, vizeSa bhAva, vibhAvika bhAva, vizeSa pariNAma, vipariNAma, vibhAvika pariNAma vagairahavagairaha zabda nimittAdhIna nikale haiN| sAdhakoM ko unakA artha eka samAna hI samajhanA hai| prastuta graMtha ke khaMDa-2 meM AtmA ke dravya-gaNa-paryAya se saMbaMdhita sUkSma saiddhAMtika spaSTatA kI gaI hai| parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne jIvana meM anubhava karake paribhASA aura udAharaNa die haiM, tAki dravya, guNa aura paryAya yathArtha rUpa se samajha meM A jaaeN| jo atyaMta hI gahana hai, aisA yaha viSaya, dezI zailI meM bahuta hI saralatA se samajhAkara, jJAnadazA kI parAkASThA para pahu~cakara kaisA lagatA hai, kevalajJAna ke levala para kaisA baratatA hai, unakI khuda kI anubhava sahita vANI meM pUrNa rUpa se spaSTatA kara dI hai| taba 'aho! aho!' ho jAtA hai ki jo 'je pada zrI sarvajJe dIThaM jJAnamAM, kahI zakyA nahIM te pada zrI bhagavAna jo aisI gahana bAteM jitanI zabdoM meM batAI jA sakatI haiM, utanI vANI dvArA batA sake haiM aura tattvoM ke bhItara ke rahasya sAmAnya manuSya taka pahu~cA sake haiN| isameM paryAya aura avasthA ke tAttvika bheda prApta hote haiM aura yaha bhI ki avasthA meM 'maiM' pana hone se saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai aura usake kAraNa asvastha rahate haiN| tattva meM 'maiM' pana hone se saMsAra se chUTa jAte haiM aura niraMtara svastha raha sakate haiN| khuda niraMtara avasthAoM se mukta rahe aura dUsaroM ko bhI avasthAoM se mukta rahane kA adbhuta vijJAna diyaa| jo khuda tattva svarUpa se rahe aura dUsaroM ko vaha tattva dRSTi prApta karavA sake, usa akrama vijJAna ko dhanya hai aura akrama vijJAnI ko bhI dhanya hai| prastuta graMtha par3hane se pahale sAdhaka ko upodghAta avazya hI par3hanA

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cAhie, tabhI jJAnI ke aMtara Azaya ko spaSTa rUpa se samajha sakeMge aura liMka agopita hogii| AtmajJAna ke bAda bIsa sAla taka alaga-alaga vyaktiyoM ke lie parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI Tukar3oM-Tukar3oM meM nikalI hai| itane sAloM meM pUrA siddhAMta eka sAtha eka hI vyakti ke saMga to nahIM nikala sakatA na?! bahuta sAre satsaMgoM ko ikaTThA karake, saMkalita karake siddhAMta rakhA gayA hai| sAdhaka eka cepTara ko eka hI bAra meM par3ha leMge tabhI liMka rahegI aura samajha meM seTa hogaa| Tukar3e-Tukar3e karake par3hane se liMka TUTa jAegI aura samajha seTa karane meM muzkila hone kI saMbhAvanA rhegii| jJAnI puruSa kI jJAnavANI mUla AtmA ko sparza karake nikalI hai, jo amUlya ratnoM ke samAna hai| taraha-taraha ke ratna ikaTThe hone para ekaeka siddhAMta kI mAlA bana jAtI hai| hama to, hara eka bAta ko samajhasamajhakara dAdAzrI ke darzana meM jaisA dikhAI diyA, vaisA hI dikhAI de, aisI bhAvanA ke sAtha par3hate jAe~ge aura ratnoM ko saMbhAlakara ikaTThe karate raheMge to aMtataH siddhAMta kI mAlA bana jaaegii| vaha siddhAMta hamezA ke lie hRdayagata hokara anubhava meM A jaaegaa| 14vIM AptavANI pI.eca.DI. levala kI hai| jo tattvajJAna ko spaSTataH samajhA detI hai ! isalie yahA~ para besika bAteM vistArapUrvaka nahIM mileMgI yA phira bilkula bhI nahIM mileNgii| sAdhaka agara teraha AptavANiyoM kI aura dAdAzrI ke sabhI mahAna graMthoM kI phula sTaDI karake aura samajhane ke bAda caudahavIM AptavANI par3hegA tabhI samajha meM aaegaa| ata: namra vinatI hai ki yaha saba samajhane ke bAda hI Apa caudahavIM AptavANI kI sTaDI krnaa| hara eka nayA heDiMga vAlA meTara nae vyakti ke sAtha huA vArtAlApa hai, aisA smjhnaa| isa kAraNa se aisA lagegA ki vahI prazna phira se pUcha rahe haiM lekina gahana vivaraNa milane ke kAraNa saMkalana meM usakA samAveza kiyA gayA hai| enATaoNmI (zarIra vijJAna) meM dasavIM, bArahavIM kakSA meM, meDikala

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meM varNana hai| vahI besika bAta Age jAkara gaharAI meM samajhAI jAtI hai to usa kAraNa se aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki sabhI kakSAoM meM vahI par3hAI jJAnI kI vANI tamAma zAstroM ke sAra rUpI hai aura jaba vaha vANI saMkalita hotI hai taba vaha svayaM zAstra bana jAtI hai| usI prakAra yaha AptavANI mokSamArgI ke lie AtmAnubhavI ke kathana ke vacanoM kA zAstra hai, jo mokSArthiyoM ko mokSamArga para AMtarika dazA kI sthiti ke lie mAila sTona kI taraha kAma meM aaeNge| zAstroM meM sau mana sUta meM eka bAla jitanA sonA bunA huA hotA hai, jise sAdhaka ko svayaM hI DhU~Dhakara prApta karanA hotA hai| AptavANI meM to prakaTa jJAnI ne sau pratizata zuddha sonA hI de diyA hai| guhyatama tattva ko samajhane ke lie yahA~ para saMkalana meM parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI vANI meM nikale hue alaga-alaga udAharaNa prastuta kie gae haiN| anubhavagamya avinAzI tattva ko samajhane ke lie vinAzI udAharaNa hamezA maryAdita hI rheNge| phira bhI alaga-alaga eMgala se samajhane ke lie tathA alaga-alaga guNa ko samajhane ke lie alaga-alaga udAharaNa bahuta hI upayogI ho jAte haiN| kahIM para virodhAbhAsa jaisA lagatA hai lekina vaha tulanAtmaka hai, isalie avirodhAbhAsI hai| vaha siddhAMta kA kabhI bhI chedana nahIM krtaa| parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI bAteM ajJAna se lekara kevalajJAna taka kI haiN| prastAvanA yA upodghAta meM saMpAdakIya kSati ho sakatI hai| Aja jitanA samajha meM AyA, usI anusAra Aja yaha batAyA gayA hai lekina jJAnI kI kRpA se Age jAkara vizeSa jJAna nirAvRta ho jAe to vahI bAta alaga pratIta hogii| lekina vAstava meM to vaha Age kA vivaraNa hai| yathArtha jJAna kI samajha to kevalIgamya hI ho sakatI hai ! isalie yadi koI bhUlacUka lage to kSamA mA~gate haiN| jJAnI puruSa kI jJAnavANI ko par3ha-par3hakara apane Apa hI mUla bAta ko samajha meM Ane do| jJAnI puruSa kI vANI svayaM kriyAkArI hai, avazya hI svayaM uga niklegii| 10

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khuda kI samajha para phula poinTa (sTaoNpa) lagAne jaisA nahIM hai| hamezA kaoNmA lagAkara hI Age bddh'eNge| jJAnI kI vANI kI nitya ArAdhanA hotI rahegI to naI-naI spaSTatA hogI aura samajha vardhamAna hone ke bAda jJAnadazA kI zreNiyA~ car3hane ke lie vijJAna kA spaSTa anubhava hotA jaaegaa| ati-ati sUkSma bAteM, vibhAva yA paryAya jaisI, par3hate hue yadi sAdhaka ko ulajhana meM DAla deM to usase parezAna hone kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| agara yaha samajha meM nahIM AyA to kyA mokSa ruka jAegA? bilkula bhI nhiiN| mokSa to jJAnI kI pA~ca AjJA meM rahane se hI sahaja prApya hai, tArkika artha aura paMDitAI se nhiiN| AjJA meM rahane para jJAnI kI kRpA hI sarva kSatiyoM se mukta karavA detI hai| ataH sarva tattvoM kA sAra, aise mokSa ke lie to jJAnI kI AjJA meM rahA jAe, vahI sAra hai| samaya, sthala, saMyoga aura aneka nimittoM ke adhIna nikalI huI adbhuta jJAnavANI ke saMkalana dvArA pustaka meM rUpAMtarita hone para bhAsyamAna hone vAlI kSatiyoM ko kSamya mAnakara vibhAva aura dravya-guNa-paryAya ke adbhuta vijJAna ko sUkSmatA se samajhakara, prApta karake Apa mukti kA anubhava kareM, yahI abhyrthnaa| - DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna 11

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upodghAta (khaMDa-1) vibhAva - vizeSa bhAva - vyatireka guNa (1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha logoM meM vizva kI utpatti se saMbaMdhita alaga-alaga prakAra kI mAnyatAe~ pravartita haiN| usameM mukhya rUpa se bhagavAna kI icchA ko hI logoM dvArA prAdhAnyatA dI jAtI hai| vAstavikatA isa bAta se bilkula hI alaga hai| ina sabhI meM yadi koI mUla kAraNa hai to vaha svataMtra honA cAhie lekina yadi kisI ke dabAva se huA ho to? bhIr3a meM dhakkA-mukkI meM laga jAe to kise pakar3eMge? isI prakAra yaha kisI ne racA nahIM hai| mUla kAraNa bhagavAna haiM aura aisA saMyogI saMbaMdha se hai, svataMtra saMbaMdha se nhiiN| saMyogoM ke dabAva se vizeSa bhAva-vizeSa guNa utpanna hone kI vajaha se saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai, jo pUrNa rUpa se vijJAna hI hai| saMpUrNa nirIcchaka ko icchAvAna sAbita kiyA gayA hai aura vaha bhI pUrI duniyA bhara kaa| khaira, nirlepa paramAtmA ko duniyA bhara ke logoM ke kartApana ke AkSepa meM bhI nirlepa hI rahanA hai na! mUla AtmA ke dravya-guNa-paryAya hamezA se zuddha hI haiM, bhagavAna mahAvIra ke samAna hI haiM! yaha to do dravyoM ke, jar3a aura cetana ke sAmIpya bhAva ke kAraNa ekarUpa bhAsita hotA hai, bhrAMti utpanna hone ke kaarnn| mUla meM ajJAna hai hI aura saMyogoM kA dabAva Ane se mUla AtmA kI darzana zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai| vahA~ para pharsTa levala kA mUla vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, jo 'maiM' ke rUpa meM utpanna hotA hai| vaha mUla AtmA ke riprejenTeTiva (pratinidhi) ke rUpa meM hai| phira yaha 'maiM' vApasa vizeSa bhAva karatA hai, jise sekanDa levala kA vizeSa bhAva kahA gayA hai, jisameM 'maiM kucha hU~, maiM kara rahA hU~, maiM caMdU hU~, maiM jAnatA huuN| yaha maiMne hI kiyA 12

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hai, dUsarA kauna hai karane vAlA?' aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vagairaha sabakucha utpanna ho jAtA hai| prathama vibhAva 'maiM' hai aura usake bAda use jo roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai ki 'maiM caMdU hU~', vaha dUsare levala kA vibhAva hai| _ 'maiM' ko 'maiM caMdU hU~' kI jo roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai, ('maiM caMdU hU~', vaha ahaMkAra, vahI vyavahAra AtmA hai) bAda meM vaha gAr3ha rUpa se dRr3ha ho jAtI hai use jJAna meM pariNAmita honA kahate haiN| vaha vibhAvika jJAna, vizeSa jJAna kahalAtA hai, jise buddhi kahA gayA hai aura usase jar3a paramANuoM meM prakRti utpanna ho jAtI hai, usI ko kahate haiM vizeSa bhAva! isa prakAra mUla AtmA ke svAbhAvika bhAva aura vibhAvika bhAva donoM hI hote haiN| vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva, vaha vidhAna trikAla vijJAna se, vAstavikatA se viruddha hai| zarIra meM pudgala aura AtmA samIpa rahe hue haiN| samIpa rahate haiM lekina itane se hI khatma nahIM ho jaataa| paraMtu 'unameM' 'sAmIpya bhAva' utpanna ho jAtA hai! sAmIpya bhAva se bhrAMti utpanna hotI hai ki 'maiM' yaha hU~ yA vaha hU~? kriyA mAtra pudgala kI hai lekina bhrAMti hotI hai ki 'maiM' hI kara rahA huuN| anya to koI karane vAlA hai hI kahA~? AtmA khuda kartA hai hI nahIM lekina khuda mAnatA hai ki 'maiMne hI kiyA', vahI bhrAMti hai| aura yaha hai darzana kI bhrAMti, jJAna kI nhiiN| bahuta hI kama logoM ko patA calatA hai ki yaha bhrAMti hai| ___ bhrAMti arthAt hicakole meM se utare hue iMsAna ko aisA lagatA hai ki duniyA ghUma rahI hai| are, duniyA nahIM, terI roMga bilIpha tujhe ghumA rahI hai| bAkI' kucha bhI nahIM ghUma rahA hai| pudgala paramANuoM kI caMcalatA ke kAraNa yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, aisA kahane kA matalaba kyA yaha nahIM hai ki pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ko gunahagAra ThaharAyA? yaha to, do tattvoM ke sAtha meM A jAne se vizeSa guNa utpanna hote haiM, jo ki bilkula kudaratI hai| mAtra jar3a aura cetana ke pAsa-pAsa Ane se vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, 13

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na ki anya cAra zAzvata tattvoM ke samIpa Ane se| pudgala paramANuoM ke mUla guNa, sakriyatA kI vajaha se vibhAvika pudgala utpanna ho jAtA hai| cetana ko parAI upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha) hai, use khuda ko kucha bhI nahIM hotA hai| isameM donoM tattvoM ke pAsa-pAsa Ane se jo asara hotA hai, sakriyatA ke guNa ke kAraNa pudgala use pakar3a letA hai, turaMta hii| jo ki isameM svataMtra rUpa se gunahagAra nahIM hai| yadi donoM alaga ho jAe~ to phira jar3a tattva para koI asara hI nahIM hogaa| aba donoM tattvoM meM vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai| kyA donoM meM alaga-alaga vibhAva hotA hai yA donoM ke milane se eka (vibhAva) hotA hai? pudgala jIvaMta vastu nahIM hai, vahA~ para bhAva nahIM hai lekina vaha jisa prakAra ke vizeSa bhAva ko grahaNa karatA hai, vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| mUla rUpa se ajJAnatA ke kAraNa, AtmA meM yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai| phira pUrI bAz2I pudgala kI sattA meM calI jAtI hai| AtmA pudgala ke piMjare meM baMda ho jAtA hai| ajJAna se jela banI hai, jJAna se mukti prApta karatA hai| 'jJAnI' ke jJAna se 'kaoNz2ez2a' baMda ho jAte haiM, usake bAda pudgala kI sattA khatma ho jAtI hai| yadi vibhAva dazA vagairaha kI nIMva meM ajJAna ho tabhI yaha saba Age bar3hatA hai, varnA saMpUrNa mukta hI hai na! __ AtmA aura pudgala paramANuoM ke sAmIpya bhAva se vizeSa pariNAma' utpanna ho jAte haiN| usase aham utpanna hotA hai| isameM AtmA ke mukhya guNa badale bagaira, svarUpa meM badalAva hue bagaira bhI vizeSa pariNAma A jAtA hai| svarUpa meM badalAva hone para vaha viruddha bhAva ho jAtA hai| khuda cetana hai, isa vajaha se AtmA meM pahale vizeSa bhAva huaa| jar3a meM caitanyatA nahIM hone ke kAraNa pahale usameM vizeSa bhAva utpanna nahIM ho sktaa| vizeSa bhAva utpanna hone ke kAraNa donoM apane mUla bhAva ko cUka jAte haiM aura saMsAravRddhi hotI hI rahatI hai| jaba AtmA mUla bhAva meM A ___14

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jAe, 'maiM kauna hU~' aisA jAne, taba pudgala chUTatA hai aura saMsAra asta hotA hai| phira tattva mUla rUpa se apane svabhAva se hI parivartanazIla hai, jo ki saMsAra khar3A hone kA mukhya kAraNa hai| AtmA nirlepa hai, asaMga hai, isake bAvajUda jar3a paramANuoM ke saMsarga meM Ane ke kAraNa vyatireka guNa utpanna ho jAte haiN| usase kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a calatA hI rahatA hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ko vyatireka guNa kahA gayA hai, jo aham meM se utpanna hue haiN| ve na to jar3a ke haiM aura na hI cetana ke anvaya guNa haiN| ve vyatireka guNa haiN| donoM ke ikaTThA hone se aham utpanna hotA hai aura aham meM se ahaMkAra aura vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiN| ___AtmA ke vizeSa bhAva se saba se pahale aham aura usake bAda ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai aura phira jar3a paramANuoM ke vizeSa bhAva se pudgala banatA hai| pudgala arthAt pUraNa-galana (cArja honA, bharanA - DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) vaalaa| mana-vacana-kAyA, mAyA-vAyA sabakucha pudgala ke vizeSa bhAva se haiN| aham aura phira ahaMkAra mAtra AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva hai| ahaMkAra calA jAe to sabakucha apane Apa hI calA jaaegaa| AtmA ke vimukhapane meM se sammukha hone taka calane vAlI sabhI kriyAoM meM roMga bilIpheM hotI hI rahatI haiM, jaise-jaise ve TUTatI jAtI haiM, vaise-vaise 'khuda' mukta hotA jAtA hai| jJAna nahIM badalatA, mAtra mAnyatAe~ hI badalI huI haiN| jaise ki eka cir3iyA darpaNa meM coMca mAratI rahatI hai, usa samaya ahaMkAra mAnatA hai ki coMca mArane vAlA khuda hai aura darpaNa vAlI cir3iyA alaga hai| sirpha yaha bilIpha hI badalI huI hai, yadi jJAna badala gayA hotA to ur3ane ke bAda bhI isakA asara rhtaa| lekina ur3ane ke bAda kucha bhI nhiiN| phira ur3ate-ur3ate kahIM galatI se bhI kisI cir3iyA ko kisI ciDiyA para coMca mArate dekhA hai ? yAnI sirpha bilIpha hI badalatI 15

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hai, jJAna nahIM ! jJAna zAzvata guNa hai isalie agara vaha badala jAegA to hamezA ke lie hI badala jAegA ! ataH AtmA ke dravya meM kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai, mAtra bilIpha hI badalatI hai aura usake badalane ke prosesa meM bahuta sArI guhya prakriyAe~ ho jAtI haiN| mUla AtmA kA kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai / mAtra darzana zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai isalie 'maiM kauna hU~' kI mAnyatA badala jAtI hai| bacapana se hI ajJAna pradAna hotA hai ki 'maiM AtmA' nahIM paraMtu 'maiM caMdU, caMdU hU~' to phira vaisA hI mAnane lagatA hai| jJAna milane se samyak dRSTi kA pradAna hone se 'maiM' mUla sthAna para baiTha jAtA hai aura tamAma duHkhoM kA aMta AtA hai| sAmIpya bhAvane laIne bhrAMti utpanna thAya che. bhrAMtithI ekarUpa bhAse che ane te ja AkhA jagatanI adhikaraNa kriyA che.' 4 paramANu AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAma svarUpa ahaMkAra huaa| ahaMkAra hote hI meM prayogasA ho jAtA hai / - vizrasA - prayogasA - mizrasA prayogasA ke samaya paramANu jaoNinTa nahIM rahate, mizrasA ke samaya rahate haiN| prayogasA ke samaya to paramANu milane kI taiyArI kara rahe hote haiM / usameM se mizrasA taiyAra hotA hai / zuddha paramANu aham paramANu meM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai jaba phala detA hai taba ahaMkAra jaisA ciMtavana karatA hai, vaisA hI pudgala bana jAtA hai ! aisA kriyAkArI hai yaha pudgala ! pudgala svabhAva se hI kriyAkArI hai, aise meM donoM kA kanekzana huA to AtmA aura pudgala donoM ke vizeSa pariNAma hue! yadi ahaMkAra khatma ho jAegA to AtmA kA vizeSa pariNAma bhI khatma ho jaaegaa| usake bAda pudgala kA vizeSa pariNAma apane Apa hI khatma ho jAegA! aham jaisA ciMtana karatA hai, pudgala vaisA hI bana 16

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jaaegaa| jJAnI jaba svarUpa kA jJAna dete haiM to usase nija svarUpa kA ciMtana hotA hai, isalie pudgala kA ciMtana chUTa jAtA hai| isase pudgala bhI chUTane lagatA hai| zuddha ahaMkAra (rAiTa bilIpha vAlA 'maiM') khuda kA hI ciMtana karatA rahatA hai| arthAt svAbhAvika prakAra se vaha svabhAvamaya ho jAtA hai| nija svabhAva ko pahacAnA tabhI se ahaMkAra gyaa| AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva aham hai aura pudgala kA vizeSa bhAva pUraNa-galana hai| pahale AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, usake bAda pudgala kA vizeSa bhAva hotA hai| ataH aham cale jAne para pudgala kama hotA jAegA, chUTatA jaaegaa| mizracetana ko hI pudgala kahA hai| paramANu aura pudgala meM pharka hai| paramANu, ve zuddha jar3a tattva haiN| jise zuddha pudgala kahA jAtA hai aura dUsarA vizeSa bhAvI pudgala hai| zuddha pudgala kriyAkArI hai| do tattvoM ke milane se vizeSa bhAvI pudgala bana gayA hai| usase rakta, haDDI, mA~sa vagairaha banate haiN| do tattvoM ke sAmIpya bhAva se aham utpanna ho gayA hai| vaha khuda hI mUla vyatireka guNoM kA mukhya staMbha hai| yadi vaha nahIM rahegA to sabhI vyatireka guNa khatma ho jAe~ge! roMga bilIpha, vahI ahaMkAra hai aura rAiTa bilIpha, vaha 'zuddhAtmA' bhAva karanA cetana kI ajJAnatA hai aura kaSAya padagala ke paryAya haiN| ajJAna cale jAne para bhAva hone baMda ho jAte haiN| jJAnI svabhAva bhAva meM rahate haiM aura ajJAnI ko vizeSa bhAva rahate haiM, jo ki ajJAna se utpanna hote haiN| mUla AtmA isameM kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| (2) krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, kisake guNa? AtmA ke anvaya guNa arthAt niraMtara sAtha rahane vAle, jaise ki anaMtajJAna, anaMtadarzana, prmaanNd| jar3a ke saMsarga se utpanna hone vAle guNoM ko vyatireka guNa kahA gayA hai, jaise ki krodh-maan-maayaa-lobh| 17

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isameM bhUla kisakI hai? jo bhugatatA hai usakI! kauna sI bhUla? roMga bilIpha! kauna sI roMga bilIpha? 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA mAnA, vh| isameM koI bhI doSita nahIM hai| na to cetana, na hI jdd'| cetana mAtra cetana bhAva karatA hai, usameM se hI yaha pudgala bana gayA! 'maiM' kI roMga mAnyatA hI duHkhadAyI hai| usake nikalate hI pUrNAhuti ! jo sAmane vAle ko gunahagAra dikhAte haiM vaha, ye jo khuda ke aMdara rahe hue krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM, ve dikhAte haiM aura ve sabhI 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA mAnane se aMdara ghusa gae haiN| isa mAnyatA ke TUTate hI vaha ghara khAlI kara detA hai| cetana, cetana bhAva karatA hai yA vibhAva karatA hai? cetana, cetana bhAva hI karatA hai| svabhAva aura vizeSa bhAva, donoM hI cetana ke haiN| vizeSa bhAva se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai aura vaha jAna-bUjhakara vizeSa bhAva nahIM karatA hai, saMyogoM ke dabAva se utpanna ho jAtA hai| cetana jaisA bhAva karatA hai, pudgala vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| strI bhAva karane se strI bana jAtA hai aura puruSa bhAva karane se puruSa bana jAtA hai| yadi strI bhAva karatA hai arthAt kapaTa aura moha karatA hai to usase strI ke paramANu bana jAte haiN| yadi puruSa bhAva karatA hai arthAt krodha aura mAna karatA hai to usase puruSa ke paramANu bana jAte haiN| vyatireka guNa na to jar3a meM haiM, na hI cetana meM haiN| ve to jo (unheM apanA) mAnatA hai usI ke haiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke lie 'aham' aisA mAnatA hai ki 'ye mere' haiM, isIlie usakI mAlikI vAle ho jAte haiN| 18

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ajJAnI roMga bilIpha se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ko 'mere guNa' mAnatA hai jabaki jJAnI rAiTa bilIpha se unheM pudgala ke (guNa) mAnate haiN| ve kahate haiM ki 'ye guNa mere nahIM haiN'| pUrA jagat nirdoSa hI hai, jJAniyoM kI dRSTi meM! kauna doSita dikhAtA hai? ye vyatireka guNa hii| 'maiM' roMga bilIpha se aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM caMdU huuN'| jJAnI use rAiTa bilIpha dekara yaha mAnyatA dRr3ha karavA dete haiM ki, 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN| usake bAda 'maiM' ko khuda kA vizeSa bhAva aura svabhAva, donoM hI patA cala jAte haiM aura nija svarUpa kA anubhava ho jAtA hai| yaha hai atiati guhya vijJAna, jagat ke mUla kAraNa kaa|| (3) vyavahAra arthAt viruddha bhAva? mUla AtmA ne kabhI bhI kisI kArya ke hone meM preraNA nahIM dI hai| preraNA dene vAlA gunahagAra mAnA jaaegaa| vAstava meM isameM preraka kauna hai ? khuda ke hI karmoM kA phala preraka hai aura vaha vyavasthita zakti se hai| pichale janma meM bhAva hae hoM, bIja par3e hoM, DaoNkTara banane ke to isa janma meM saMyoga milane se vaha ugatA hai| ina saMyogoM kA milanA, sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa arthAt vyavasthita zakti ke adhIna hai aura bIja kA uganA, vaha pUrva karma kA udaya huA, phala arthAt vaha aMdara se jo preraNA sphurita hotI hai, vh| vicAra AtA hai ki DaoNkTara bananA hai, vaha pUrva karma kA phala mAnA jAtA hai| isameM AtmA kA kartApana nahIM hai| AtmA saMkalpa-vikalpa nahIM karatA hai aura vaha bhAvakarma bhI nahIM karatA aura na hI karma grahaNa karatA hai| varnA vaha usakA zAzvata svabhAva bana jaaegaa| ata: 'maiM' jo ki vizeSa bhAva hai, vahI karma grahaNa karatA hai aura bhAvakarma bhI 'maiM' hI karatA hai| kyoMki bhAvakarma to, 'maiM' ko jo dravyakarma ke cazme milate haiM, usake AdhAra para bhAvakarma ho jAte haiN| abhI to mAno ki sabhI bhAva ahaMkAra ke hI haiN| lekina zuruAta meM to vizeSa guNa utpanna hote haiM aura usase bhAvakarma zurU ho jAte haiN| 19

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kriyA mAtra pudgala kI vyavasthita zakti se hotI hai, vizeSa bhAva meM kyA hotA hai? ATha prakAra ke dravyakarma banate haiM jo ki bhAvakarma karavAte haiN| __dravyakarma ke paTTe kI zuruAta kahA~ se huI? vizeSa bhAva se hI paTTe baMdhe haiM, jisase ulTA dikhAI diyA aura ulTe bhAva hue| isameM AtmA kI koI kriyA nahIM hai| AtmA kI upasthiti ke kAraNa ina ATha prakAra ke karmoM meM pAvara bharA gayA hai| isameM AtmA kI koI kriyA nahIM hai| pudgala meM pAvara cetana bhara gayA hai| 'maiM' jaisA AropaNa karatA hai, usI anusAra pudgala meM pAvara cetana bhara jAtA hai aura pudgala vaisA hI kriyAkArI bana jAtA hai| rAgAdi bhAva AtmA ke nahIM haiM, ve vibhAvika bhAva haiN| AtmA jJAna dazA meM svabhAva kA hI kartA hai aura ajJAna dazA meM vibhAva kA kartA hai, bhoktA hai| kramika mArga meM isa bAta ko ekAMtika rUpa se le liyA gayA aura bahuta bar3A ghoTAlA ho gyaa| vahA~ para AtmA ko kartA-bhoktA mAna liyA gyaa| AtmA kabhI bhI vikArI nahIM huaa| pudgala, vaha svabhAva se sakriya hone ke kAraNa vikArI bana sakatA hai| isameM AtmA kI upasthiti kAraNabhUta hai| AtmA yaha saba kevalajJAna se jAna sakatA hai aura dUsarA vizeSa bhAva se bhI jAna sakatA hai| __ do prakAra ke AtmA haiN| eka, nizcaya AtmA aura dUsarA, vyavahAra aatmaa| nizcaya AtmA kI vajaha se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna ho gayA hai| jaise darpaNa ke sAmane hama do dikhAI dete haiM na? vyavahAra AtmA ko pratiSThita AtmA kahA gayA hai| khuda ne apanI pratiSThA kI hai| vApasa phira se yadi 'maiM caMdU hU~' kI pratiSThA ho jAe to usase agale janma kA nayA pratiSThita AtmA sarjita hotA hai| jJAna milane ke bAda 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA ho jAtA hai, isalie ulTI pratiSThA honI baMda ho jAtI hai| nayA 20

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pratiSThita AtmA utpanna nahIM hotA aura purAnA pratiSThita AtmA DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| 'Apa' vyavahArika kArya meM masta rahate ho to vyavahAra AtmA aura 'Apa' yadi nizcaya meM masta rahate ho to 'Apa' 'nizcaya AtmA' ho| mUlata: 'Apa' aura 'Apa' hI ho lekina kahA~ barata rahe ho usa para AdhArita hai| vyavahAra AtmA yA pratiSThita AtmA, vahI ahaMkAra hai| jisameM eka senTa bhI cetana nahIM hai| __ AtmA kA koI pramANa nahIM hai, lekina anupacarita vyavahAra kA pramANa hai hii| koI bhI upacAra kie binA zarIra bana gyaa| logoM ne usake lie kaha diyA ki bhagavAna ne bnaayaa| anupacarita vyavahAra kyA hai? laukika dRSTi se jo, kucha bhI nahIM karane se hotA hai, vaha anupacarita vyavahAra hai| bAkI, vAstava meM dekhA jAe to hara vyavahAra sirpha anupacarita hai, kyoMki vaha bhI saMyogoM kI vajaha se ho jAtA hai| are, vizeSa bhAva bhI do tattvoM ke pAsa-pAsa Ane se apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai na! saiddhAMtika rUpa se hara vyavahAra anupacarita hai, lekina jJAnI kI dRSTi se! sUrya kI upasthiti meM saMgamaramara garma ho jAtA hai aura jo UrjA utpanna hotI hai, vaha kauna karatA hai? preraka kauna hai? koI bhI nhiiN| isI prakAra AtmA preraNA nahIM detA hai varnA vaha baMdhana meM A jaaegaa| yaha preraNA hai pAvara cetana kii| dUsarI cIz2a milI isalie pAvara cetana bana gyaa| aura agara haTa jAe to phira kucha bhI nahIM hai| jJAnI, mokSadAtA puruSa donoM ko alaga kara dete haiN| (4) prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA jagat anAdi anaMta hai| use banAne vAlA, calAne vAlA koI nahIM 21

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hai| da varlDa iz2a da paz2ala iTaselpha / gaoNDa haiz2a naoNTa paz2alDa disa varlDa eTa oNla, onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa / garma lohe para hathaur3A mArA jAe to kyA agni ko lagegI ? anAdikAla se AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM hotA aura AtmA kucha karatA bhI nahIM hai| jo kucha bhI hai, vaha ahaMkAra ko hI hotA hai / roMga bilIpha kauna karatA hai ? ahaMkAra karatA hai I kyA buddhi roMga bilIpha nahIM karatI ? buddhi ke pAsa roMga bilIpha karane kA rAstA hI nahIM hai / roMga bilIpha karane vAlA bhI roMga bilIpha hai, aura vaha roMga bilIpha meM rahakara roMga bilIpha karatA hai / ye sabhI bhramaNAe~ buddhi kI vajaha se huI haiM / ahaMkAra khuda aMdha hone ke kAraNa buddhi kI A~khoM se calatA hai aura usase saMsAra khar3A ho hai I gayA karma kA na to Adi hai, na aNt| pAnI meM oNksIjana pahale AyA yA hAiDrojana? jar3a-cetana ke milane se vizeSa guNa utpanna ho gayA, kartApanA kA aura usase karma baMdhate haiM / kartApanA ke guNadharma kI vajaha se karma baMdhana hotA hai / jar3a aura cetana ke eka-dUsare ke pAsa-pAsa Ane kI vajaha se ve eka-dUsare para asara DAlate haiN| jar3a kA asara cetana para aura cetana kA asara jar3a para par3atA hai / aura vAstava meM cetana jar3a vAlA ho nahIM jAtA hai paraMtu cetana kI bilIpha badala jAtI hai, roMga bilIpha baiTha gaI hai| jIva kina karmoM kI vajaha se nigoda meM rahatA hai ? nigoda ke jIva arthAt saMpUrNa rUpa se karma se Aropita / bhayaMkara karmoM kI vajaha se vahA~ para haiN| vahA~ para abhI taka eka bhI karma chUTA hI nahIM hai| yAnI ki 22

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prakAza (AtmA kA jJAna) bAhara nikalA hI nahIM hai| vahA~ para eka indriya bhI prakaTa nahIM huI hai| AvaraNa kama hone ke bAda hI vaha nigoda meM se vyavahAra rAzi meM, ekendriya meM AtA hai| ataH nigoda ke jIva aura ekendriya vagairaha jIvoM ko to bhayaMkara karma bhugatane hote haiN| jaise-jaise ve karma bhogate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise unakI Urdhvagati hotI jAtI hai| jaise-jaise AvaraNa TUTate jAte haiM, prakAza bar3hatA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise do indriya, tIna indriya, cAra indriya phira paMcendriya meM AtA hai| ajJAnatA se loga jAnavara gati kI prazaMsA karate haiM, per3a kI sahanazIlatA kI prazaMsA karate haiM, aisA mAnate haiM ki vaisA hI bananA cAhie, vaha bhayaMkara AvaraNa lAne vAlI cIz2a hai| kyA nigoda meM vyatireka guNa hote haiM ? vyatireka guNa to pahale se hI haiM avyavahAra ke jIvoM meM, aMta meM jaba vyatireka guNa pUrNa rUpa se khatma ho jAte haiM taba vaha siddha bhagavAna bana jAtA hai! saMyogoM kA anaMta jaththA hai, usameM AtmA kI naz2ara tirachI ho gaI (vibhAvika jJAna-darzana) aura saba usase cipaka pdd'aa| ___eka A~kha aise eMgala se daba jAe ki sabakucha do-do dikhAI dene lage to vaha mithyA dRSTi hai| isa prakAra yaha saMsAra, saMyogoM ke dabAva se tirachI naz2ara hone kI vajaha se khar3A ho gayA hai| agara dabAva haTa jAe to vaha mUla bhagavAna svarUpa ho jaaegaa| saMyogoM ke dabAva se roMga bilIpha utpanna ho gii| roMga bilIpha se ahaMkAra khar3A huA ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| ahaMkAra koI cIz2a nahIM hai, mAtra roMga bilIpha hI hai| phira bhI aisA hai ki (sthUla) ahaMkAra kI chApa zarIra para par3atI hai| kyA AtmA meM zuruAta se hI jJAna thA? kyA kabhI aisA ho sakatA hai ki darpaNa meM hama na dikheM? kabhI jaba kohare kA asara ho jAe basa tabhI nahIM dikhAI detaa| 23

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T pUrA vyavahAra saMyogoM se bharA huA hai / mokSa meM jAne kA samaya Ae taba use sabhI sAdhana mila jAte haiM / jaise ki zAstra, jJAnI puruSa... "koTi varSanuM svapna paNa, jAgRta thatAM samAya, ema vibhAva anAdinA, jJAna thatAM dUra thAya / " (" koTi varSoM kA svapna bhI jAgRta hote hI khatma ho jAtA hai / usI prakAra anAdi kA vibhAva jJAna hote hI dUra ho jAtA hai / " ) - zrImad rAjacaMdra (5) anvaya guNa vyatireka guNa niraMtara mUla AtmA ke sAtha rahane vAle guNa khuda kI mAlikI ke haiM, ve anvaya guNa haiM, jaise ki jJAna, darzana, sukha, zakti, aizvarya / vibhAva dazA meM utpanna hone vAle guNa, ve vyatireka guNa arthAt krodha-mAna- mAyAlobha haiN| - mokSa ke lie sadguNoM kI koI kImata nahIM hai kyoMki ve vyatireka guNa haiM, paudgalika guNa haiM, vinAzI guNa haiM I 'vyavasthita' zakti to vyatireka guNa utpanna hone ke bAda meM utpanna huI hai, pahale nhiiN| nagInadAsa seTha rAta ko z2arA jAma para jAma lagA deM to ? ' maiM pradhAnamaMtrI hU~' aisA bolane lageMge na ? usa samaya zarAba kA amala (asara) bolatA hai, bhrAMti hai| isameM AtmA nahIM bigar3A hai, isameM seTha kA jJAna bigar3A hai| aura jar3a va cetana kI bhrAMti se darzana bigar3atA hai, jo ulTA hI dikhAtA hai / mAyA arthAt svarUpa kI ajJAnatA / 'maiM kauna hU~' kI ajJAnatA hI mAyA hai| ahaMkAra aura mohanIya meM kyA pharka hai ? seTha ne zarAba pI to zarAba kA amala (asara) arthAt mohanIya 24

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karma utpanna ho gayA aura jo mohanIya kI vajaha se aisA kahatA hai, 'maiM pradhAnamaMtrI hU~', vaha ahaMkAra hai / yahA~ para logoM meM pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kA amala hai / isalie jaisA hai vaisA kahane kI bajAya ulTA kahate haiN| AtmA aura dUsare saMyogoM ke dabAva se bhrAMti utpanna ho gii| bhrAMti se bilIpha hI badalI hai, jJAna nahIM / yAnI ki ajJAna thA to nahIM lekina bAda meM saMyogoM ke dabAva se utpanna ho gayA / aMdhere meM bhI zarAba pIne ke bAda meM seTha ko kucha nayA hI hotA hai na! mUla AtmA ko kabhI bhI ajJAna huA hI nahIM / vizeSa pariNAma se hI roMga bilIpha ho gaI hai, na ki roMga bilIpha se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna huA hai aura roMga bilIpha se pUrA saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| isake bAvajUda bhI isameM mUla AtmA khuda to ajJAna se, roMga bilIpha se, sabhI se tInoM hI kAla meM mukta hI hai / barpha se bhare glAsa meM kucha hI dera meM glAsa ke bAhara pAnI jaisA dikhane lagatA hai, usake bAda pAnI kI bU~deM banatI haiM, phira pAnI kI dhAra bahatI hai| usake bAda pAnI nIce bhI bahane lagatA hai / isameM barpha vaise kA vaisA hI hai, vaha kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai lekina saMyogoM kI vajaha se yaha saba hotA hai| isameM kauna z2immedAra hai ? (6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna ajJAna saMsAra kA jJAna, vaha jJAna hI hai, ajJAna nahIM hai lekina agara mokSa meM jAnA ho to vaha ajJAna hai / AtmA ke vAstavika jJAna ko samajhanA pdd'egaa| loga vizeSa jJAna ko ajJAna kahate haiM / - vibhAva arthAt mUla jJAna - darzana svAbhAvika to haiM hI lekina yaha vizeSa bhAva, vizeSa jJAna utpanna ho gayA hai| jise nahIM jAnanA hai, use jAnane gae, vaha hai vizeSa jJAna / ajJAna bhI eka prakAra kA jJAna hI hai / vAstava meM use ajJAna nahIM 25

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kahA jAtA lekina jJAniyoM kI bhASA meM use vizeSa jJAna kahA jAtA hai| ajJAna bhI prakAza hai| pUrNa nahIM, paraMtu kSayopazama vaalaa| AtmA ke eka-eka pradeza para jar3a paramANu cipake hue haiM, jo AtmA ke mUla guNa para AvaraNa lAte haiN| nigoda meM yaha AvaraNa sau pratizata hai| jaise-jaise jIva kA ivolyUzana hotA hai yAnI ki AvaraNa haTate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise usakA jJAna vyakta hotA jAtA hai| 99, 98, 97... isa prakAra jaise-jaise dhIre-dhIre bAhara AvaraNa kama hote jAte haiM, vaise-vaise eka pratizata, do pratizata, tIna pratizata, cAra pratizata jJAna sthUla meM prakaTa ho jAtA hai| jaise ki ekendriya jIva, do indriya jIva kA DevelapamenTa hotA jAtA hai, vaise-vaise... lekina abhI jaba taka ajJAna kA AvaraNa hai, taba taka use ajJAna kahA gayA hai| ajJAna aura saMyogoM kA dabAva (jar3a tattva kA dabAva), ina donoM ke milane se AtmA kA jJAna-darzana nAmaka guNa vibhAvika ho jAtA hai| donoM meM se pahale darzana vibhAvika hotA hai| usase 'maiM' utpanna ho jAtA hai| (pharsTa levala kA vibhAva, vizeSa bhAva) usake bAda jaisejaise 'maiM' kI roMga bilIpha Age bar3hatI jAtI hai, vaise-vaise 'maiM caMdU hU~, maiM kara rahA hU~', aisA mAnatA jAtA hai| ___ vaha sekanDa levala kA vizeSa bhAva, jisameM 'maiM' ko 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' kI roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai, vaha phira jaba gAr3ha ho jAtI hai taba use, jJAna meM pariNAmita huI, aisA kahA jAtA hai| vaha vibhAvika jJAna kahalAtA hai| jise buddhi kahA gayA hai aura vahA~ para jar3a paramANuoM meM prakRti utpanna ho jAtI hai| AtmA ko bhrAMti ho gaI hai, aisA lokabhASA meM kahanA par3atA hai| lekina vAstava meM use bhrAMti nahIM hotI hai| varnA vaha mUla rUpa meM nahIM A paataa| vAstava meM to bhrAMti kise kahate haiM? aMdara duHkha hotA hai taba mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'itanA saba jAnane ke bAvajUda aisA kyoM? isalie kucha to alaga hai, yaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai|' ise bhrAMti honA kahate haiN| 26

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bahata hI pharka hai, vizeSa bhAva aura vizeSa jJAna meN| vizeSa bhAva, ve AtmA ke paryAya nahIM haiM lekina ve do cIz2oM ke sAmIpya bhAva se utpanna hote haiN| vizeSa bhAva to sirpha ahaMkAra hai| vaha to vyatireka guNa hai| vizeSa jJAna, vaha jJAna jisakI z2arUrata nahIM hai, yadi use bIca meM lAe~ to usakA kyA artha hai? vyatireka guNa kI vajaha se hI vizeSa jJAna utpanna hotA hai| vizeSa jJAna ke kAraNa vyatireka guNa utpanna nahIM hotaa| sAmAnya jJAna ko darzana kahA gayA hai| mokSa meM darzana kI hI kImata hai jabaki vizeSa jJAna pudgala meM dekhane jAtA hai ki 'yaha kyA hai? nIma hai? Ama hai?' vaha vizeSa jJAna hai| 'jJAna' eka hI hai, usake bhAga alaga-alaga haiN| jaise 'rUma' ko dekhe to 'rUma' aura 'AkAza' ko dekhe to 'aakaash'| jaba taka vizeSa jJAna se dekhatA hai taba taka AtmA dikhAI hI nahIM detaa| AtmA ko jAnane ke bAda meM donoM dikhAI dete haiN| AtmA khuda jJAna hI hai, vAstava meM jJAna vAlA nahIM lekina jJAna hI hai| jJAna vAlA kaheMge to 'jJAna' aura 'vAlA' donoM alaga haiM lekina vAstava meM AtmA khuda 'jJAna' hI hai, prakAza hI hai ! usa prakAza ke AdhAra para hI 'use' sabakucha 'samajha meM AtA hai, vaha sabakucha 'jAnatA' hai| kyA jar3a aura cetana ke milane se puruSa aura prakRti bane haiM ? nahIM, prakRti bAda meM bnii| vizeSa pariNAma kA jo riz2alTa AyA, vahI prakRti hai| pA~ca tattvoM meM AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva aMdara AyA, usase prakRti banI aura phira vaha niraMtara phala detI hI rahatI hai| prakRti aura puruSa ke alaga hone ke bAda riyala puruSArtha zurU hotA hai| svabhAva, puruSa hai aura prakRti, bhrAMti hai| paramANuoM ke prasavadharmI hone ke kAraNa cetana tattva kA jJAna vibhAvika hote hI prakRti sarjita ho jAtI hai| jo prakRti bAhara dikhAI detI hai, vaha usakA visarjita hotA huA bhAga dikhAI detA hai| usake 27

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bAvajUda mUla zuddha dravya, zuddha cetana aura zuddha jar3a jaise haiM vaise hI rahate prasavadharmI prakRti kI zakti abhI paramAtmA se bhI kahIM z2yAdA hai lekina usameM caitanya zakti nahIM hai| cetana ko sirpha sparza karane se hI prakRti cArja ho jAtI hai| jJAna, bhAna aura vartana ekAkAra ho jAne ke bAda pUrNa paramAtmA banatA hai| samudra kI khArI havA chUte hI lohe para jaMga car3ha jAtA hai| isameM kartA kauna hai ? kisa prakAra se huA? yaha to aisA hai ki vijJAna ke niyama ke adhIna hI do cIz2oM ke ikaTThe hone se tIsarA nayA hI pariNAma, vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai, isameM koI gunahagAra nahIM hai| isameM yaha jo jaMga hai, vahI ahaMkAra hai, jisase prakRti banatI hai aura lohe ko AtmA smjhnaa| mUla tattva ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| lohA, lohe kA kAma karatA hai aura jaMga, jaMga kA kAma karatA hai| yadi niraMtara dekhatA rahe ki aMta:karaNa kyA kara rahA hai, to vaha jJAna kevalajJAna taka pahuMca jaaegaa| (7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva ___ jar3a va cetana, brahmAMDa meM (loka meM) donoM zurU se sAtha meM hI the| chaH tattva sAtha meM hI haiN| chaH alaga ho jAe~ge tabhI apane-apane guNadharma meM aaeNge| cha: tattvoM meM vidharma ghusa gayA hai lekina unameM se cAra tattva vidharmI nahIM hue haiM, sAtha meM rahane ke bAvajUda bhI svadharma meM raha sakate haiM jabaki pudgala aura AtmA kI vibhAvika dazA ke kAraNa ye donoM vidharmI bana gae haiN| bAkI ke cAra vidharmI nahIM bnte| AtmA vidharmI hai arthAt bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI ki yaha 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aura pudgala vidharmI arthAt vaha jo prayogasA hone se banatA hai| usameM rakta, pIpa va mA~sa nahIM hotaa| isameM vidharmI pudgala aura vibhAvika pudgala do alaga hI haiN| vibhAva dazA meM AyA huA prathama 'aham' yAnI ki 'maiM' ke utpanna hone 28

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ke bAda kartApana se 'maiM kara rahA hU~', aisI mAnyatA se pudgala meM jo parivartana AtA hai, use vibhAvika pudgala (mizrasA) kahate haiN| jo vidharmI pudgala se bhI bahuta Age sthUla meM calA gayA hai aura usameM rakta, pIpa aura mA~sa hotA hai| jagat meM chaH zAzvata dravya (tattva) milate haiM aura phira alaga ho jAte haiM, aisA niraMtara calatA hI rahatA hai| tattva mikscara ke rUpa meM rahate haiM, kampAunDa nahIM bnte| yadi kampAunDa bana jAe~ taba to aisA mAnA jAegA ki eka-dUsare se udhAra liyaa| jagat kA kAraNa ye chaH dravya haiN| ina saba ke utpanna hone kA mUla kAraNa pudgala hI hai| jo pA~ca indriyoM se anubhava kiyA jA sake, vaha sArA pudgala prabhAva hai| pudgala ke rUpI bhAva ke kAraNa vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai| ye jo paramANu haiM, ve tattva haiM, pudgala koI tattva nahIM hai| vaha vizeSa pariNAma hai| AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAma ke kAraNa ina paramANuoM meM vizeSa pariNAma bhAsyamAna hotA hai| jaise ki darpaNa ke sAmane kucha bhI karane se vaha usakA pariNAma batAtA hai na! jar3a aura cetana, ina donoM se hI vibhAva hotA hai| anya tattva milate haiM lekina vibhAva hone meM unase koI madada nahIM milatI, ve udAsIna bhAva se rahe hue haiN| do dravyoM se vibhAva hone ke bAda phira bAkI ke cAra dravya udAsIna bhAva se ina donoM kI madada karate haiM yAnI ki cora kI bhI madada karate haiM aura dAnavIra kI bhI karate haiN| chaH tattvoM meM se koI bhI kisI kA viruddhadharmI nahIM hai| hA~. hara eka ke apane-apane dharma haiM, alaga aura svataMtra dharma haiN| ina saba meM se koI kisI meM dakhala nahIM krtaa| saba nimitta naimittika hai| varnA yadi eka-dUsare para upakAra hone lage to vaha vApasa kaba utAregA? 29

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'dAdA' kA jo akrama jJAna hai, vaha cetana jJAna hai / isake milate hI yaha donoM meM bheda DAla detA hai ! yaha vyatireka guNoM kA jJAna nahIM hai, mUla jJAna hai / yaha jo vyavasthita zakti hai, vaha chaH dravyoM ke aMdara hai, unase bAhara to kucha hai hI nahIM / darpaNa kA saMsarga doSa lagane se khuda jaise hI dUsare 'caMdUbhAI' dikhAI dete haiM na? kAla paripakva hone para vaha baMda ho jAtA hai, saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke hI haiN| isa saMsAra mArga kI bhaTakana meM kisI kA doSa nahIM hai / yaha saba vizeSa bhAva utpanna hone se huA hai / kyA sAmIpya bhAva bhI niyati ke adhIna hai ? niyati ke kAraNa ye sabhI tattva ikaTThe hote haiN| phira vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai / niyati kudaratI rUpa se niyati hI hai / vaha bahAva hai isa jagat kA / ye sabhI manuSya usake bahAva meM cala rahe haiM, niyati ke pravAha meM ! samasaraNa mArga niyati kI vajaha se hI baha rahA hai / usameM badalAva nahIM ho sktaa| (niyati ke bAre meM aura adhika satsaMga, AptavANI11 (pU.) gujarAtI kA peja naM.- 270) samudra aura sUryanArAyaNa, donoM ke milane se bhApa banatI hai| usameM kartA kauna hai? usameM donoM ke apane-apane guNadharma jyoM ke tyoM rahate hue nayA vyatireka guNa utpanna hotA hai / isI prakAra AtmA aura jar3a tattva ke milane se yaha jagat vyatireka guNa utpanna karatA hai, jo krodha - mAnamAyA-lobha kahalAte haiM / AtmA kI upasthiti se hI yaha pUrA jagat bana gayA hai| upasthiti ke binA to kucha bhI nahIM ho sakatA / yaha pUrA vijJAna hai ! isameM AtmA ne kahA~ kucha kiyA hI hai ? AtmA kI upasthiti kI kyA bhUmikA hai ? 30

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roMga bilIpha - AtmA kI upasthiti se hI hotI hai| rAiTa bilIpha - AtmA kI upasthiti se hI hotI hai| paramAtmA pada - AtmA kI upasthiti se hI milatA hai| (8) krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' jar3a + cetana - vizeSa bhaav| vizeSa bhAva meM kyA huA? 1) 'maiM kucha huuN|' 2) 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aura yaha saba 'maiM jAnatA hU~'! isase bana gayA samasta saMsAra... 'maiM' kA mUla hai ajnyaantaa| __'maiM' arthAt aham phira Age jAkara ahaMkAra banatA hai| ye saba jo haiM, ve vyatireka guNa haiN| vyatireka guNoM se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna ho ge| krodha aura mAna se 'maiM' banA aura lobha aura mAyA (kapaTa) se 'merA' bnaa| cAroM meM se do se 'maiM' aura do se 'merA' bnaa| ___jaba yaha deha chUTatI hai taba isa janma kA ahaMkAra khatma hotA hai aura dUsarI tarapha agale janma kA taiyAra hotA hai| nayA ahaMkAra kaoNz2ez2a ke rUpa meM utpanna huA, vaha ahaMkAra agale janma meM jAtA hai| bIja meM se vRkSa aura vRkSa meM se bIja... yoM to aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki ahaMkAra kI biginiMga hai| zurU se sabakucha hai hii| yaha to sAdhAraNa samajhAne ke lie kaha rahe haiM ki kaoNz2ez2a meM 'usane', 'maiM hU~ aura merA hai', aisA kiyA, jisase iphekTa zurU ho gyaa| aura dUsarA tattva milane se 'use' 'maiM aura mere' kI vibhramatA ho gaI aura usameM se zurU ho gae krodh-maan-maayaa-lobh| 31

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mUla 'lAiTa' (AtmA kA jJAna) hai, lekina logoM ne ajJAna pradAna kiyA ki Apa caMdUbhAI ho to Apane bhI mAna liyA ki 'maiM caMdabhAI huuN'| isalie aisA kahA jAtA hai ki ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA aura vaha ahaMkAra mUla 'lAiTa' kA riprez2anTeTiva bana gyaa| jaba usa riprez2anTeTiva kI 'lAiTa' se dekhA to vaha huI buddhi| kaSAya proDakzana hai aura mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra usake iphekTa haiN| proDakzana arthAt kaoNz2ez2a, arthAt vibhAvika svarUpa honA, upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) svarUpa honA vaha / inameM se prathama kyA hai? iphekTa (mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra) yA kaoNz2ez2a (krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha)? isameM pahalA mUla proDakzana, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hue, unase karma cArja hone lage, vahI bhAvakarma hai| krodha huA, usakA upayoga huA, usase karma cArja hote haiM aura agara vaha upayoga ke binA par3A rahe to koI harja nhiiN| karma baMdhana hotA hai, usake bAda meM DiscArja hote samaya usakA iphekTa AtA hai| vahI ahaMkAra hai aura aMtaHkaraNa jisameM mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra Ate haiN| iphekTiva aMta:karaNa meM se ajJAnI ko nayA cArja hotA hai aura svarUpa-jJAnI (mahAtmAoM) kA cArja baMda ho jAtA hai| isameM pUrA aMta:karaNa iphekTiva hai| (koI bhI kArya) pahale aMta:karaNa meM hotA hai, usake bAda bAhyakaraNa meM AtA hai| pahale aMdara sUkSma meM krodha hotA hai aura jo bAhara nikala jAtA hai, vaha sthUla krodha hai| donoM iphekTa hI haiN| isameM prathama kauna hai? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha mA~-bApa haiM aura usake bAda unakI vaMzAvalI mana-buddhi-citta aura ahNkaar| avyavahAra rAzi ke jIvoM kI to gAr3ha vibhAva dazA hotI hai| 32

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avyavahAra rAzi ke karma vyavahAra rAzi meM bhugatatA hai aura ina saba se pahale aham to khar3A ho hI cukA hotA hai| vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA tabhI se! AtmA kA janma nahIM hotA hai| ahaMkAra kA janma-maraNa hotA hai| AtmA para AvaraNa car3hate-utarate rahate haiN| 'Apa' jaba taka 'maiM' meM baratoge, taba taka svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM hogA aura taba taka 'maiM' alaga hI rhegaa| 'maiM' vyatireka guNa hai| yaha jo AtmA kA vibhAva hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai| hara eka meM cetana eka sarIkhA hI hai lekina jar3a kabhI bhI eka sarIkhA nahIM ho sktaa| vizeSa pariNAma kA mUla kAraNa hai, do dravyoM kA pAsa-pAsa aanaa| pAsa-pAsa Ane se khuda kA mAnate haiN| usa roMga bilIpha se krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna ho jAte haiN| phira Age jAkara pUrA aMtaHkaraNa bana jAtA hai| mana to ahaMkAra ne banAyA hai| ve unake vArisa haiM! pichale janma meM ahaMkAra ne mana krieTa kiyA thA, usameM se Aja ke vicAra Ate haiN| jar3a va cetana eka sAtha the, jo kaoNz2ez2a paidA kara rahe the, jJAnI unheM alaga kara dete haiN| isalie aba unameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna hI nahIM hote| isIlie kaoNz2a baMda ho jAte haiN| isIlie to ve jJAnI kahalAte haiN| jinameM ye eka sAtha rahate haiM, ikaTThe rahate haiM, ve ajJAnI haiN| jJAnI ke lie mana jJeya hotA hai isalie nae pariNAma utpanna nahIM hote| pichale pariNAmoM ko 'dekhate' hI rahate haiN| pahale mana meM vicara rahe the, isalie vicAra utpanna hote the| yadi sirpha 'dekheM' to nahIM hoNge| ahaMkAra ko du:kha hotA hai, isalie use isameM se mukta honA hai| maiM pana aura merApana utpanna huA, use nibhAtA kauna hai ? AtmA kI upsthiti| 33

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svarUpa jJAna prApti ke bAda meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha pudgala ke guNa mAne jAte haiN| ajJAna dazA meM ve AtmA ke guNa mAne jAte haiM lekina vAstava meM aisA nahIM hai| ahaMkAra sirpha use apane Upara le letA hai| jJAna ke bAda AjJA meM rahane se kaSAya sparza nahIM krte| jo anaMta sukhadhAma hai, kyA aise AtmA ko ciMtA ho sakatI hai? yaha to bhrAMta mAnyatA hai ki AtmA ciMtA karatA hai| aisA kauna mAnatA hai ? ahNkaar| jo alaga rahatA hai, dUsare ko gunahagAra siddha krke| (9) svabhAva - vibhAva ke svarUpa hara eka dravya sat hai, avinAzI hai, parivartanazIla hai aura sadA khuda ke svabhAva meM hI sthira rahatA hai| jagat ke tamAma saMyoga svabhAva se hI cala rahe haiN| vibhAva utpanna hone ke bAda bhI svabhAva svabhAva meM hI rahatA hai aura vibhAva ke khuda ke nae hI guNa utpanna hote haiN| svabhAva se yaha duniyA cala rahI hai aura vibhAva se TakarAva hote haiN| svabhAva mokSa meM le jAtA hai, vibhAva saMsAra meM bhaTakAtA hai| mehanata karanA vibhAva hai aura akartApana svabhAva hai| svabhAva meM jAne ke lie mehanata nahIM hai, lekina vibhAva meM jAne meM hai| riyala dharma svAbhAvika dharma hai| vyavahAra dharma vibhAvika dharma hai| jisameM tapa, tyAga, grahaNa karanA hotA hai| vastu svabhAva meM A jAe, use mokSa kahate haiN| svabhAva hI AtmA kI mUla sattA hai, vizeSa pariNAma nhiiN| vizeSa pariNAma, vaha vibhAvika sattA hai, saMyogI sattA hai, mUla nahIM hai| AtmA khuda ke sva-svabhAva karmoM kA kartA hai, anya kisI kA nhiiN| jaise prakAza svAbhAvika rUpa se sabhI ko prakAzita karatA hai, vaisA hI AtmA kA hai| bhrAMti se use saMsAra kA kartA kahA gayA hai| 34

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para-svabhAva bhAva, vaha para-pariNati hai| karatA hai dUsarA koI aura khuda mAnatA hai 'maiM kara rahA hU~', vaha hai para-pariNati! parama pUjya dAdAzrI vijJAna ko jaisA hai vaisA dekhakara batAte haiN| AtmA kisI cIz2a kA kartA hai hI nahIM aura kartA ke binA kucha hotA nahIM hai| khuda saMsAra kA citraNa karatA hai aura vicitratA lAtI hai 'kudrt'| AtmA hara eka jIva meM hai lekina bAhara kA bhAga Develapa hotehote Atma svabhAva kI tarapha jAtA hai| vibhAva, svabhAva kI tarapha jAtA darpaNa ke sAmane khar3e rahane vAlA aura darpaNa meM pratibiMba, do eka sarIkhe hI lagate haiM, mUla AtmA aura usI jaisA 'maiM' (vyavahAra AtmA) jaba donoM eka sarIkhe ho jAe~ge, taba mukta ho paaeNge| donoM alaga haiM, isalie saMsAra bnaa| ahaMkAra ko zuddha karake Atmasthiti meM AnA pdd'egaa| sabhI jJAna AtmA meM se hI nikalate haiN| pudgala khuda ke sva-dravya ke adhIna hai| hara eka tattva apane-apane dravya ke adhIna haiN| koI dravya dUsare dravya meM jAtA hI nahIM hai aura khuda kA svabhAva chor3atA hI nahIM hai| vibhAva arthAt paudgalika jJAna aura dUsarA hai AtmA kA svAbhAvika jnyaan| svabhAva meM rahanA, jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vaha cAritra hai| koI gAlI de taba khuda ke aMdara jo-jo cala rahA hai, AtmA usakA jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai| vibhAva meM se bhAvanA aura bhAvanA meM se vaasnaa| bhautika sukha kI bhAvanA, vahI vAsanA hai| 35

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kyA pudgala vikArI bana sakatA hai? nahIM! vaha khuda vikArI nahIM bntaa| pudgala sakriya svabhAva vAlA hai arthAt akriya nahIM hai| sakriya arthAt kriyAkArI hai vaha, lekina usake vikArI hone kA kAraNa yaha hai ki vaha vyatireka guNoM ko khuda ke guNa mAnatA hai| phira ye vyatireka guNa pAvara cetana vAle haiN| AtmA ke vibhAva se rAga-dveSa aura svabhAva se vItarAgatA! cetana aura jar3a, donoM kI dhArAe~ alaga-alaga haiN| phira bahatI bhI haiM nija-nija dhArA meN| yadi eka dhArA meM baheMgI to vibhAva meM pariNAmita hoNgii| AtmA kA aMtima pada hai vibhAva meM se svabhAva meM aanaa| vastu khuda ke svabhAva ko bhaje, vaha dharma hai| AtmA khuda ke svabhAva ko bhaje to vaha Atmadharma hai, vahI mokSa hai| bAkI, Atma svabhAva meM na to dharmadhyAna hai, na hI anya koI dhyAna! cAroM dhyAna, zukladhyAna bhI vibhAva dazA hai| zukladhyAna pUrNAhuti kI taiyArI kara detA hai| vaha pratyakSa mokSa kA kAraNa hai lekina aMta meM to vaha bhI chUTa jAtA hai| 'kSaNa kSaNa bhayaMkara bhAva maraNe, kAM aho rAcI rahyo?' ___-zrImad svabhAva kA maraNa aura vibhAva kA jnm| avasthA meM 'maiM' pana, arthAt vibhAva kA jnm| avasthA ke jJAtA-dRSTA arthAt svabhAva kA jnm| svabhAva meM pariNAmita hone ke lie dAdAzrI kI pA~ca AjJA hI eka mAtra mArga hai| (10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna hai? pudgala kauna hai? AtmA avinAzI hai, 'Apa' avinAzI ho, lekina Apako roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', isalie 'Apa' vinAzI ho| 36

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vibhAva meM pahale aham utpanna hotA hai| pUraNa ko aham kahA jAtA hai| galana aura pUraNa donoM, 'maiM' haiM aura aisA kahatA hai ki jo bhugatatA hai, vaha bhI 'maiM huuN| pUraNa karate samaya, 'maiM hI hU~' aisA mAnatA hai taba prayogasA aura jaba mAnatA hai ki maiM bhoga rahA hU~, taba mishrsaa| jise akrama jJAna prApta huA hai, usa vyakti meM vizeSa bhAva rahatA hI nahIM hai| phrekcara ho jAtA hai| jo bAkI bacate haiM, ve to sirpha coTa ke nizAna haiM arthAt cAritra moh| vizeSa bhAva utpanna hone ke bAda usake pariNAmoM kI paraMparA calatI hI rahatI hai| svarUpa jAgRti ke bAda hI vizeSa bhAva kA sAtatya khatma hotA hai| vizeSa bhAva meM se bhAvaka banate haiN| krodhaka meM se krodha, lobhaka meM se lobha utpanna huA, usI ko pratiSThita AtmA aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyaa'| jaise-jaise bhAvaka bhAva karavAtA hai, vaise-vaise vaha maz2abUta hotA jAtA hai| svabhAva meM rahate hue cetana vibhAvika ho jAtA hai| vizeSa bhAva bAhara se khar3A huA hai, AtmA meM se nhiiN| AtmA svabhAva meM se bAhara jAtA hI nahIM hai| cetana aura saMyoga anaMta haiN| saMyogoM se ahaMkAra khar3A huA aura unake AdhAra para TikA huA hai| jisakA ahaMkAra gayA, usake sabhI saMyoga gae! tamAma vibhAvika pudgala ke zuddha hokara alaga ho jAne ke bAda AtmA saMpUrNa rUpa se mukta hotA hai| jJAna ke bAda phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla (nipaTArA) karate-karate aMta meM mukta ho jAtA hai| yaha jo zuddhAtmA hai, vahI vaha 'khuda' hai, vahI usakA 'khuda kA' svarUpa hai| 'tuma khuda' vahA~ (zuddhAtmA) se alaga ho gae ho aura mUla 37

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zuddha svarUpa ko dekha-dekhakara khuda usI rUpa hote jAte ho| AtmA ke guNoM kI bhajanA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) karate-karate khuda usI rUpa ho jAtA hai| _ 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vahI vibhAva hai aura vahI bhAvakarma hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA rahA to svabhAva hai| krodha hotA hai aura usake paramANuoM meM AtmA tanmayAkAra ho hI jAtA hai isalie vaha krodha kahalAtA hai| tanmayAkAra hone se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiN| phira use para-pariNAma kahate haiN| sukha-duHkha bhugatanA vagairaha pUrA hI saMsAra para-pariNAma hai| vizeSa pariNAma zuddha ko nahIM jAna sakatA, jJAnI ko pahacAna sakatA hai| kyA prajJA zuddhAtmA kA vizeSa pariNAma ho sakatI hai? nhiiN| prajJA to zuddhAtmA jAgRta hone ke bAda meM usakI jo DAirekTa zakti utpanna huI hai, vaha hai| ajJA, vaha vizeSa pariNAma hai aura prajJA, vaha AtmA kA pariNAma hai| mAtra dRSTi badalane se hI karor3oM varSoM kA vibhAva dUra ho jAtA hai| 'maiMne kiyA', isa prakAra kI dRSTi karate hI sabhI kaSAya jakar3a lete haiN| vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho to use aisA samajhanA ki 'yaha merA nahIM hai', isalie phira nikAla ho jaaegaa| (11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... dUdha kA bigar3anA to usakA svabhAva hai aura dahIM bananA, vaha hai vibhaav| vastu avinAzI hai, usake pariNAma bhI avinAzI haiM, mAtra usake vizeSa pariNAma vinAzI haiN| yathArtha rUpa se itanA hI smjho| dAdAzrI kahate haiM, 'hama meM' to 'AtmA' AtmapariNAma meM hI rahatA 38

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hai / 'mana' mana ke pariNAma meM rahatA hai / mana meM tanmayAkAra hone se vizeSa pariNAma Ate haiN| AtmA kA sva-pariNAma meM AnA, vahI paramAtmA hai ! donoM apane-apane pariNAma meM A jAe~ aura donoM apane-apane pariNAma ko bhajeM, usI ko kahate haiM mokSa ! vizeSa pariNAma ko jAnanA hI sva-pariNAma hai / vahA~ para vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai| jo vizeSa bhAva meM pariNAmita hotA hai, vaha hai jIva aura yadi use 'dekhe aura jAne' to paramAnaMda / vizeSa pariNAma se utpanna huA 'mikenikala cetn'| pUraNa-galana vAlA pudgala, use khuda kA mAnA to baMdha gayA ! vizeSa pariNAma kI vajaha se jo saMyoga utpanna hote haiM, pratikramaNa karane se ve dhula jAte haiN| varnA daraasala sAinTisTa ko pratikramaNa kyoM karane? mahAtmA isameM bhUla kara baiThate haiM, isalie pratikramaNa karane caahie| vizeSa pariNAma meM acchA-burA nahIM hotA / vaha to, pakSadhara banane se aisA hotA hai| AtmabhAva ke alAvA bAkI kA sabakucha vizeSa pariNAma hai| 'dekhanA va jAnanA' sva - pariNAma hai lekina buddhi se dekhanA va jAnanA, vaha hai vizeSa pariNAma / pahale yaha samajha meM Ae ki aham galata hai, aisI pratIti ho jAe, usake bAda vaha TUTane lagatA hai aura vaise-vaise vizeSa bhAva vilaya hotA jAtA hai| aham bhAva ke khatma hote hI vizeSa bhAva bhI khatma ! vibhAva kramapUrvaka kama hotA hai aura svabhAva kramapUrvaka bar3hatA hai I prajJA, vaha vibhAva nahIM hai / vizeSa bhAva kitanA kama huA, svabhAva kitanA bar3hA, jo use jAnatA hai, vaha prajJA hai / prajJA bhI guru - laghu hotI rahatI hai| prajJA kevalajJAna hone taka hI rahatI hai aura vibhAva bhI tabhI taka rahatA hai| 39

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dAdAzrI khuda kI jJAnavANI ke lie kyA kahate haiM ki atyaMta spaSTa hone ke bAvajUda bhI vaha vyatireka guNoM meM se utpanna huI hai| vaha rileTiva nahIM hai lekina riyala-rileTiva hai| riyala-rileTiva, rileTiva aura tIsarA hai rileTiva-rileTiva / jJAnI ko sabhI jagaha aisA hI rahatA hai ki 'maiM hI hU~', phira kyA kahIM bhI bheda rahegA? dAdAzrI ke evara phreza rahane kA kAraNa kyA hai? parabhAva kA kSaya aura niraMtara svabhAva kI jAgRti rahatI hai| parabhAva ke prati jinheM kiMcitmAtra bhI ruci nahIM hai, eka paramANu taka meM bhI ruci nahIM hai, vahA~ para paramAtmA prakaTa nahIM hue hoMge to aura kyA hogA? mahAtmAoM ko bhI parabhAva ke kSaya kI tarapha hI dRSTi rakhanI caahie| parabhAva ke saMpUrNa rUpa se cale jAne ke bAda svakSetra meM hisAba ke anusAra rahakara siddha kSetra meM jAtA hai| svakSetra, vaha siddha kSetra kA daravAjA hai| siddha kSetra meM jAne se pahale sabhI paramANu khatma ho jAte haiN| usake bAda dharmAstikAya use vahA~ para rakha AtA hai| vahA~ para koI bhI saMyoga nahIM hai, isalie vibhAva utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| (12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti mUla rUpa se ajJAna to thA hI, jo sUkSma rUpa se rahatA hai aura bAhara ke saMyoga milate hI sthUla meM dikhAI detA hai| 'maiM AtmA hU~' isameM 'maiM' kauna hai aura AtmA kauna? 'maiM', ahaMkAra hai aura AtmA, mUla dravya hai| Ai + mAi = ahaMkAra, Ai - mAi = aatmaa| jaba 'mAi' kA eka bhI paramANu na rahe to vaha jo 'Ai' hai, vaha AtmA kahalAtA hai| ahaMkAra kabhI bhI svAbhAvika nahIM hotA, vibhAvika hI hotA hai| 40

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'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', kyA vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai ? nhiiN| vaha kyA hai ? jo hai, use 'maiM hU~', aisA mAna le to vaha ahaMkAra nahIM hai| jo nahIM hai, use 'maiM hU~' mAne to use ahaMkAra kahA hai| hara eka ko 'maiM hU~', aisA astitva kA bhAna hai hI lekina yadi 'kyA hU~', aisA bhAna ho jAe to use vastutva kahA gayA hai| vahI 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' hai| zuddhAtmA ko jAnane ke bAda dhIre-dhIre jaba pUrNatva hotA hai taba 'maiM' pUrNa rUpa se khatma ho jAtA hai| 'maiM' zuddhAtmA to hU~ hii| usake bAda 'use' bhrAMti ho gaI ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| vaha huA ahNkaar| usake bAda 'maiM' meM se ahaMkAra huA ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI huuN'| usa ahaMkAra ko ajJAna pradAna se aMdhA bnaayaa| itanA hI nahIM, vApasa pichale karmoM ke cazme car3ha gae isalie 'merI vAipha, mere bacce' dikhAI dete haiN| ahaMkAra kise huA? ajJAna ko| ajJAna kisa taraha se utpanna huA? saMyogoM ke dabAva se| jaise ki zarAbI khuda ko mahArAjA mAna letA hai! cAhe AtmA para kitanA hI AvaraNa A jAe lekina 'khuda' to prakAzaka hI rahatA hai to phira kyA parezAnI hai? lekina isase ahaMkAra ko kyA phAyadA? ahaMkAra ko jaba mIThA lage tabhI vaha aisA kahatA hai ki 'zakkara hai', tabhI niber3A AtA hai| ahaMkAra kA niber3A lAnA hai, AtmA kA niber3A to hai hii| hama nAmarUpI va vyavahArarUpI nahIM haiM to vastutaH hama kauna haiM ? hama jJAna aura ajJAna rUpI hI haiN| jJAna athavA ajJAna ke anusAra hI saMyoga milate haiN| ucca jJAna, vaha ucca karma bA~dha lAtA hai| nimna jJAna ho to nimna krm| ahaMkAra bhI khuda nahIM hai, vaha 'khuda' jJAna-ajJAna hai! 'khuda' kA artha hI hai jJAna aura ajnyaan| vahI usakA upAdAna hai lekina yaha atyaMta sUkSma bAta samajha meM nahIM A sakatI isalie jJAna-ajJAna ke pratinidhi arthAt ahaMkAra ko hama svIkAra karate haiN| ataH yoM agara moTI bhASA meM kaheM ki ahaMkAra karma bA~dhatA hai lekina vAstava meM jJAna-ajJAna kI vajaha se karma baMdhana hotA hai| use upAdAna bhI kahate haiM aura jahA~ 41

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para jJAna va ajJAna sAtha meM haiM, vahA~ para ahaMkAra hai hI / yadi ajJAna calA jAe to ahaMkAra bhI calA jaaegaa| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka jJAnaajJAna sAtha meM rahate haiM / use kSayopazama kahA gayA hai / jJAna milane ke bAda jo jJAna bhAga hai, vahI puruSa hai aura ajJAna bhAga, vaha prakRti hai| jJAna hI AtmA hai aura jaba vaha vijJAna svarUpa ho jAegA to vahI paramAtmA hai| jJAna - ajJAna kA mUla hai vijJAna ! AtmA vijJAnamaya hI hai| usameM se jJAna - ajJAna kA aMdherA va ujAlA, donoM zurU hote haiN| ahaMkAra aura aham, donoM meM bahuta pharka hai / 'maiM' aura aham eka hI haiN| vizeSa bhAva meM pahale aham utpanna hotA hai / 'maiM' pana hI aham hai aura 'maiM' pana kA prastAva karanA, vyakta karanA ki 'maiM caMdU hU~', vaha hai ahNkaar| prathama mAnyatA meM 'maiM kucha hU~', mUla AtmA kI bajAya anya kucha hU~, use 'aham' kI, 'maiM' kI zuruAta kahate haiM / jaba taka 'aham' vAlI sTeja hai, taba taka mAtra anya meM astitva kA bhAna hai lekina abhI taka yahA~ para kartRtva kA bhAna nahIM huA hai / mAtra mAnyatA taka hI, bilIpha taka hI yAnI ki jo jJAna - darzana hai, vaha darzana bhAga hI badalA hai, phira jaba 'maiM' pada se Age bar3hatA hai aura mAnatA hai ki 'maiM caMdU hU~', jaba aisA hotA hai taba 'aham' meM se ahaMkAra / arthAt yahA~ aham kA prastAva hotA hai (aham vyakta hotA hai, aham kI zuruAta hotI hai), mAtra itane se hI ruka nahIM jaataa| usake bAda Age bar3hatA hai / vastu meM usakA kucha bhI nahIM hai phira bhI mAnatA hai ki yaha vastu merI hai, vaha mAna hai / 'maiM presiDenTa hU~, DaoNkTara hU~', aisA mAnanA, vaha mAna hai| arthAt use jo mAlikIpana A jAtA hai, vaha mAna hai lekina yadi mAlikIpane ke binA sirpha prastAva kare, zora macAe, z2arUrata se z2yAdA 'maiM pana' kare to vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| jaba mAlikIpana Ae, tabhI mAna AtA hai / usake bAda usase Age bar3hakara mAlikIpane meM mamatA mila jAtI hai aura taba dUsaroM ko dikhAtA hai ki 'yaha merA baMgalA hai, merI gAr3I hai, mere bIvI-bacce', vaha abhimAna hai| jahA~ se prastAva karake Age mAna meM jAtA hai, use (vibhAvika ) jJAna meM AnA kahate haiM / jaba taka ahaMkAra kI sTeja hai, taba taka bilIpha meM, 42

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(vibhAvika) darzana meM hI hai| jaba 'maiM' pada A jAe to vaha mAna hai, taba vaha (vibhAvika) jJAna meM AtA hai| ___'maiM Upara se nIce AyA' usameM 'maiM' to AtA hI nahIM hai, zarIra nIce AtA hai| phira bhI kahatA hai, 'maiM nIce AyA', usa mAnyatA ko ahaMkAra kahA gayA hai aura usase bhI Age bar3hakara vaha kahatA hai ki 'maiM AyA', use mAna kahate haiM, bilIpha meM se jJAna meM AyA, aisA kahA jAtA potApana aura ahampana meM kyA pharka hai? 'aham' mAtra mAnyatA meM hI hai yAnI ki (mithyA) darzana meM hI hai jabaki potApana vartana meM A jAtA hai yAnI ki (mithyA) jJAna se bhI Age (mithyA) cAritra meM A gayA, aisA kahA jaaegaa| svarUpa jJAna milane ke bAda meM mAnyatA meM se 'maiM' pana calA jAtA hai lekina vartana meM potApana rahatA hai isIlie to apane 'mahAtmAoM' meM z2abaradasta potApana hai| jo bholA hotA hai, usameM kama hotA hai| 'maiM' evarIvhera eDajasTebala hai| 'maiM' meM se 'maiM' caMdU banatA hai, Age jAkara kisI kA jamAI banatA hai, bhAnajA banatA hai, DaoNkTara banatA hai aura jJAna milate hI do ghaMToM meM, 'maiM' zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai ! 'maiM' meM eka bhI speyara pArTa nahIM hai| vaha anaMta janmoM se kabhI bhI badalA hI nahIM hai| jabaki potApana, potApana ke alAvA aura kahIM bhI eDajasTa nahIM ho sktaa| isa prakAra 'maiM' aura potApana bilkula alaga hI cIjeM haiN| __ 'maiM', vaha potApana nahIM hai lekina khuda aisA saba jo mAna letA hai, vahI potApana hai| ___ 'maiM' kyA hai, usa 'vastu' ko nahIM samajhane se, 'maiM' ne dUsarI cIz2oM kA AropaNa kiyA, usase vikalpa utpanna ho ge| vikalpoM ke usa pUre gole ko potApana kahA gayA hai| usameM vikalpa jitane kama kie jAe~, utane hI kama ho sakate haiM aura jitane bar3hAe jAe~, utane bddh'eNge| 'maiM' meM se vikalpa hotA hai, lekina 'maiM' to sApha (zuddha) hI 43

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rahatA hai| potApana utpanna hotA hai lekina usase 'maiM' ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai, potApana ko lenA-denA hai| vAstava meM 'maiM' potApana nahIM karatA hai lekina jaba 'maiM' kA dUsarI jagaha para AropaNa hotA hai to usa AropaNa karane vAle meM potApana utpanna ho jAtA hai| aura aisA AropaNa karane vAlA hai ajnyaan| ajJAna se 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' kA AropaNa hotA hai, vahI ahaMkAra hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ho jAe to ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai aura phira jAgRti utpanna hotI hai| ___ jJAna ke bAda meM tanmayAkAra kauna hotA hai? ahaMkAra (sUkSmatara), aura jo nahIM hone detA, vaha hai jAgRti, jo alaga hI rakhatI hai| mUla AtmA tanmayAkAra hotA hI nahIM hai| ___'Apa' tanmayAkAra ho jAte ho, to usameM 'Apa' kauna ho? 'maiM' to pahale se rahA huA hai hii| jo 'maiM' pahale pratiSThita AtmA ke rUpa meM baratatA (rahatA) thA, vaha 'maiM' jJAna ke bAda meM jAgRti ke rUpa meM baratatA hai, vahI jAgRta AtmA hai| phira vaha tanmayAkAra nahIM hotaa| jJAna ke bAda pratiSThita AtmA jJeya ke rUpa meM, nizcetana cetana ke rUpa meM, DiscArja ke rUpa meM rahatA hai aura jAgRti use jAnatI hai| jJAna se pahale pratiSThita AtmA hI jJAtA mAnA jAtA thaa| jahA~ saMpUrNa jAgRti bartatI hai vahA~ para 'maiM' mUla AtmA meM ekAkAra ho jAtA hai, paramAtmA bana jAtA hai| varnA taba taka alaga baratatA hai| aMtarAtmA kI taraha rahatA hai, alaga rhkr| pUre zarIra meM 'maiM' kA sthAna kahA~ para hai ? suI cubhone para 'maiM' a... karatA hai na? jahA~-jahA~ lagatI hai, vahA~ para 'maiM' hai| bar3I basa ke DrAivara kA 'maiM' kahA~ para hai? pUrI basa meM! 'maiM' pana kA utanA adhika vistAra karatA hai| prakRti meM AtmA kI jAnapane kI zakti utarI hai| use pAvara cetana kahate haiN| usameM pAvara kisa taraha bharatA hai? vizeSa bhAva se 'maiM' utpanna hotA hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~' mAnA ki pAvara bhara jAtA hai| 'maiM jAnatA hU~' 44

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mAnA ki pAvara bhara jAtA hai| vaha calatA hI rahatA hai... mAtra mAnyatA se hI kartApana A gayA hai| _ 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', ise jAnane vAlA kauna hai? 'maiM' hI use jAnatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' usa 'maiM' kA jJAna badalA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ho gayA isalie vaha 'maiM', jise ahaMkAra kahA gayA hai, vaha jAnatA hai aura vaha ahaMkAra buddhi sahita hI hai, use jAnane meM buddhi akelI nahIM hai| jJAna ke bAda meM jo bacatA hai, vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra hai, cArja vAlA baMda ho jAtA hai| jaba jJAna milatA hai, taba ahaMkAra buddhi sahita khuda hI samajha jAtA hai ki merA astitva hI galata hai aura zuddhAtmA hI mUla svabhAva hai isalie use sabakucha sauMpa detA hai| jJAna meM ahaMkAra stabdha ho jAtA hai ki isameM maiM kahA~ para hU~? merA mAlikIpana yA merA skopa kahA~ hai ? tabhI vaha AtmA kI aura khuda kI bhedarekhA ko samajha jAtA hai aura gaddI mUla puruSa (AtmA) ko sauMpa detA hai| isa prakAra se samajhakara aisA kahA jA sakatA hai ki ahaMkAra AtmA ko jAnatA hai ! bAhara yaha bAta ulTI taraha se samajha lI jAtI hai ki ahaMkAra kisa taraha AtmA ko jAna sakatA hai? lekina jJAna ke samaya hI yaha prakriyA hotI hai| yAnI ki pahale jJAna nahIM ho jAtA lekina pahale ahaMkAra jAtA hai aura vaha bhI jJAnavidhi ke samaya virATa svarUpa ke pratApa se!!! jJAna milane ke bAda, jo pahale mithyA dRSTi vAlA thA, vaha 'khuda' samyak dRSTi vAlA bana jAtA hai| donoM dRSTiyA~ 'maiM' kI hI arthAt ahaMkAra kI hI haiN| jo dRSTi pahale dRzya ko dekhatI thI, jJAna ke bAda vaha dRSTA ko dekhatI hai| mUla AtmA meM dRSTi nahIM hotii| AtmA meM to sahaja svabhAva se jJeya jhalakate haiM, usake jJAna meM hI! AtmajJAna ko jAnane vAlA ahaMkAra hai, jisakI dRSTi AtmA meM par3atI hai aura vahIM para vaha zuddha ho jAtA hai aura zuddhAtmA meM vilIna ho jAtA hai| jaise zakkara kI putalI pAnI meM girate hI vilIna ho jAtI hai, usa taraha se! 45

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kyA ahaMkAra hI yaha kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ? nahIM, ahaMkAra nahIM kahatA lekina 'maiM', 'maiM' aisA kahatA hai / ahaMkAra judA rahatA hai, use isase koI lenA-denA nahIM rahatA / yahA~ para aham, jo ki ahaMkAra se pahale vAlI sTeja hai, usake bAre meM bAta ho rahI hai| aba 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha sirpha zabda ke rUpa meM nahIM hai lekina usa tarapha ke rukha vAlI kriyA hai| jaise-jaise zraddhA aura bilIpha badalate haiM, vaise-vaise AvaraNa TUTate jAte haiN| usake bAda jo ahaMkAra bacatA hai, vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra hai| bhaTakA huA ahaMkAra cArja, sajIva ahaMkAra hai / ulTe meM se vApasa mur3ane ke lie jisa ahaMkAra kI z2arUrata hai, vaha nirjIva ahaMkAra hai / usake binA vApasa kaise mur3a sakate haiM ? jJAna milane ke bAda ahaMkAra zuddha ho jAtA hai (roMga bilIpha phrekcara hone se) lekina krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha ke paramANu khAlI karane bAkI rahate haiN| ve jaba saMpUrNa rUpa se khAlI ho jAe~ge to vaha ahaMkAra saMpUrNa zuddha ho jaaegaa| phira vaha AtmA ke svabhAva meM eka ho jaaegaa| ('maiM' zuddha hokara zuddhAtmA meM eka ho jAegA ) ! taba taka judA rahatA hai / 'maiM' meM yadi z2arA se bhI dUsare paramANu hoMge to vaha bAhara baiThegA / sabhI paramANuoM kA galana hone ke bAda meM jaba 'maiM' zuddhAtmA meM calA jAtA hai usI ko mokSa kahate haiM, usI ko carama zarIrI kahate haiM / kramika mArga meM yaha aMta meM zuddha hotA hai / prakRti ke DiscArja hone meM 'maiM' kI z2arUrata mAtra DiscArja svarUpa se rahatI hai| usakI sahamati kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, upasthiti hI kAphI hai| kartAbhAva se jo nATaka kiyA thA, use bhoktAbhAva se karanA par3egA, tabhI sApha hogaa| bhoktAbhAva ko DiscArja ahaMkAra kahA gayA hai| yadi ahaMkAra ko pahacAna jAe to vaha bhagavAna banA degaa| 'maiM' kahane vAle ko acchI taraha se pahacAnanA hai arthAt pUre pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ko pahacAnanA hai, to phira bhagavAna hI bana jAegA / ahaMkAra zuddha kI bhajanA ( usa rUpa honA, bhakti) karate-karate, 46

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zuddha hote-hote saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAtA hai| jaisA ciMtana karatA hai, vaisA bana jAtA hai| zuddha ho jAne para bhagavAna ke sAtha ekAkAra ho jAtA hai| jaisA vyavahAra karatA hai, vaisI hI bhajanA hotI hai| Akhira meM aMtima avatAra meM sirpha nizcaya hI kAma kA hai aura nikAlI vyavahAra kI bhajanA hotI hai, taba mukta ho pAtA hai| (khaMDa-2) dravya - guNa - paryAya brahmAMDa meM jo chaH zAzvata tattva haiM, ve sabhI apane khuda ke svataMtra dravya, guNa aura paryAya sahita hI haiN| ina chaH tattvoM meM eka tattva AtmA hai, jo riyala meM hama khuda hI haiN| yahA~ isa khaMDa meM kevala AtmA ke hI dravya, guNa va paryAyoM ke bAre meM vizeSa spaSTatA kI gaI hai| AtmArthIjana ko prastuta khaMDa kI ArAdhanA karane se pahale atiati Avazyaka hai ki do siddhAMtoM ko spaSTa rUpa se samajhakara Age sTaDI (adhyayana) kreN| mUla daraasala AtmA (nizcaya AtmA) tInoM hI kAla meM dravyaguNa-paryAya se siddha bhagavAna jaisA hI zuddha hai| jisake bAre meM isase adhika samajhane kI abhI isa stara para z2arUrata nahIM hai| vibhAvika AtmA ('maiM', vyavahAra AtmA) kI vibhAvika dazA vAle vyatireka guNoM se utpanna hue jo paryAya haiM, jo ki azuddha mAne jAte haiM, svarUpa jAgRti ke bAda unhIM ko zuddha karanA hotA hai| pA~ca AjJA, zuddha upayoga vagairaha kI niraMtara jAgRti se tamAma azuddha paryAya zuddha ho jAte haiM aura saMpUrNa svabhAva dazA utpanna hotI hai| mUla AtmA jaisI hI dazA ho jAne para paryAya kI vibhAvika dazA kA saMpUrNa nAza (kSaya) hotA hai| aura khuda daraasala Atma svarUpa, kevalajJAna svarUpa bana jAtA hai aura aMta meM to kevala dravya rUpa AtmA hI rahatA hai, kevalajJAna prakAzaka hI! AtmArthiyoM ko aisA samajhakara adhyayana karanA hai ki yahA~ para azuddha 47

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vibhAvika paryAyoM ko zuddha karate-karate kevalajJAna taka pahu~cane kI maMz2ila ke bAre meM samajhAyA gayA hai| adhyayana karate-karate jaise-jaise spaSTatA hotI jAegI, vaise-vaise svAbhAvika rUpa se aho! aho! hotA jAegA aura sahaja rUpa se hI AvaraNa haTate jaaeNge| akrama vijJAnI parama pUjya dAdAzrI ke samakSa hara pala koTi-koTi salAma karate hue hRdaya va mastaka jhuka jAte haiN| dhanya hai ina jJAnI ko aura dhanya hai, isa kevalajJAna taka ko spaSTa rUpa se samajhAne vAlI vANI ko! prastuta graMtha meM jahA~-jahA~ AtmA ke paryAyoM kI azuddhi kA ullekha AtA hai, vahA~-vahA~ para vibhAva dazA ke azuddha paryAyoM ke bAre meM bAta hai, puruSArthI (pAThaka) ko aisA samajhanA hai| (1) paribhASA dravya-guNa va paryAya kI dravya arthAt avinAzI zAzvata dravya, yAnI ki tttv| dravya hamezA hI khuda ke svataMtra dravya-guNa va paryAya sahita hotA hai| dravya meM vastu arthAt vastu kA svabhAva aura usake guNa, ye donoM Ate haiN| bAkI saba paryAya meM jAtA hai| eka dravya dUsare dravya meM bilkula bhI dakhalaMdAjI nahIM kara sktaa| eka mUla dravya ko dUsare mUla dravya se koI bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai| unake dravya-guNa-paryAya alaga-alaga haiM aura dUsare dravyoM ke sAtha anyatva (bhinnatA) hai, arthAt no knekshn| sUryanArAyaNa ko dravya yAnI ki vastu kahA jaaegaa| prakAza unakA guNa kahalAtA hai aura jo kiraNe bAhara AtI haiM, ve paryAya kahalAtI haiN| dravya-guNa avinAzI haiM, paryAya vinAzI haiN| paryAya utpanna hote haiM, Tikate haiM aura unakA nAza ho jAtA hai| 'TikanA' aura 'dhruva', donoM meM bahuta pharka hai| jo hamezA rahe use 'dhruva' kahA jAtA hai lekina jaba 'TikatA' hai, taba bhI usameM hara pala parivartana to hotA hI rahatA hai, jo ati-ati sUkSma hone ke kAraNa dikhAI nahIM detA lekina sUkSma rUpa se nAza hone kA prosesa (prakriyA) to calatA hI rahatA hai| jaise lakar3I kaTa rahI ho 48

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aura aMta meM do TakaDe ho jAte haiM lekina bIca meM jaba vaha kaTa rahA thA taba kyA hara pala vaha alaga nahIM ho rahA thA? kAlavartI ko 'TikatA hai' kahate haiM aura trikAlavartI vastu ko dhruva kahA jAtA hai| anaMta kAla se anaMta paryAyoM ke badalate rahane ke bAvajUda bhI utpanna-vinAza hotA hai, phira bhI mUla AtmA to sadA dhruva hI hai| usameM koI bhI badalAva nahIM aataa| mUla dravya ke guNa bhI avinAzI haiM, zAzvata haiN| unheM anvaya gaNa kahate haiM, jo siddha kSetra meM bhI vaise hI rahate haiN| do dravyoM ke milane ke bAda jo vibhAvika guNa utpanna hote haiM, jinheM vyatireka guNa kahA jAtA hai, jo ki krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM, ve vinAzI haiM, TemparerI haiN| paryAya bahuta sUkSma hote haiM, jo dikhAI detI haiM, ve sabhI avasthAe~ haiN| jaba vaha sthUla rUpa meM A jAe, taba jAkara avasthA kahalAtI hai| udAharaNa ke taura para ghaMTe ko avasthA kahate haiM aura pala, paryAya kahalAtA hai| hAlAMki paryAya meM pala jitanI sthUlatA nahIM hai| jo indriyagamya haiM, ve sabhI avasthAe~ haiM aura jo atindriyagamya haiM, ve paryAya haiN| jJAnI puruSa yA kevalajJAnI ke alAvA koI bhI paryAyoM ko nahIM dekha sktaa| jJAna AtmA kA guNa hai aura vaha bhI sirpha kevalajJAna hI, dUsarA zubha-azubha kA jJAna nhiiN| zuddha prakAza, vahI AtmA hai, vahI jJAna hai! jaba kevalajJAna rUpI jJAna hotA hai, taba vaha dravya rUpI (jJAna) kahalAtA hai aura jaba taka kevala (jJAna) nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka jJAnarUpI kahalAtA hai| dravya aisI cIz2a hai jo ki zuddha jJAna-darzana-sukha-zakti vagairaha guNoM se bharapUra hai| usameM isakA jo vizeSa svabhAva hai, vaha jJAyaka svabhAva hai| jJAyaka svabhAva arthAt mAtra jAnane kA svbhaav| jJAna aura AtmA dravya ke rUpa meM avinAbhAva saMbaMdha vAle haiN| jaba taka jJAna saMpUrNa zuddha nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka vaha jJAna, guNa ke rUpa meM rahatA hai| jJAna alaga hai aura saMpUrNa kevalajJAna hone para dravya aura jJAna eka hI ho jAte haiN| AtmA ke guNa aura pudgala ke guNa bilkula alaga hI haiM aura anaMta haiN| saMkhyA kI dRSTi se bhI eka sarIkhe nahIM haiN| 49

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vibhAvika AtmA ke ATha guNa kahe gae haiM, jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya... vagairaha vagairaha jo ki AvaraNa kI vajaha se haiN| unakI zuddhi ho jAne para zuddha jJAna, darzana, sukha vagairaha utpanna hote haiN| jo ki bAda meM svAbhAvika guNoM meM A jAte haiN| jJAna, darzana, zakti va sukha, jo AtmA ke guNa haiM, una para jo AvaraNa lAte haiM, ve vibhAvika dazA ke guNa haiN| ve ghAtIkarma haiN| usI prakAra nAma, gotra, vedanIya, AyuSya, jo aghAtIkarma kahalAte haiM, ve sabhI paryAyoM ke kAraNa haiN| siddhAtmA pUre jagat ke jIva mAtra ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiM, jo ki unakA guNa hai| jnyaan-drshn| lekina ve bAhara nahIM dekhate, sabhI jJeya unake aMdara hI jhalakate haiM, dikhAI dete haiN| jisa prakAra se darpaNa meM dikhAI dete haiM, usI prakAra khuda ke dravya meM dikhAI dete haiN| Atmadarzana kise hotA hai ? paryAyoM ko? nhiiN| 'darzana' vibhAvika 'maiM' ko hotA hai| 'maiM caMdU hU~' kI bajAya 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna hone para azuddha paryAya zuddha ho jAte haiM isalie 'maiM' ko eka sAtha mUla dravyaguNa aura paryAya kA anubhava hotA hai| jaba taka azuddha paryAya haiM, taba taka citta aura prajJA alaga mAne jAte haiN| jaba sabhI paryAya saMpUrNa rUpa se zuddha ho jAte haiM to use kevalajJAna kahA gayA hai, usake bAda meM yaha alaga nahIM rhtaa| jaba tamAma DiscArja karma jJAnI kI AjJA meM yA zuddha upayoga meM rahakara khapAe jAte haiM, taba guNa zuddhAtmA phalita hotA hai, varnA nhiiN| zuddha citta paryAya rUpI hai aura zuddhAtmA dravya guNa rUpI hai lekina aMta meM saba eka hI vastu hai| paryAya AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai, vaha AtmA ke guNa kI avasthA hai| dravya yA guNa nahIM badalate, paryAya badalate haiN| zubhAzubha paryAya nahIM haiN| ve udaya kahalAte haiN| 50

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sthUla avasthAoM ko, jaise ki bacapana, javAnI, bur3hApA ko avasthA kahA jAtA hai, paryAya nahIM kahA jaataa| mUla vastu ke paryAya nahIM hote, mUla vastu ke guNoM ke paryAya hote haiN| jJAna-darzana va guNa nahIM badalate, paryAya badalate haiN| abhI 'Apa' khuda paryAya svarUpI ho| ('maiM caMdUbhAI' mAnatA hai islie|) manuSya mizra cetana ke bhAga ke rUpa meM nahIM hai| yadi aisA hotA to vaha mUla rUpa meM hI hotA lekina manuSya paryAya ke rUpa meM hai| 'usakI' ('maiM' kI) mAnyatA roMga hai ki 'maiM caMdU hU~', jaba taka usakA jJAna roMga hai, usakA vartana roMga hai, taba taka vaha paryAya rUpI hai| yadi sabakucha rAiTa ho jAe to mUla svarUpa hI khlaaegaa| jaise caMdra ke phez2iz2a khatma hone para pUnama ho jAtI hai, usI prakAra AtmA ke phez2iz2a arthAt paryAya khatma hone para kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai| tattva se zUnya aura paryAya se pUrNa kahate haiM, usakA kyA matalaba hai? paudgalika paryAya jo ki jJeya meM jJeyAkAra ke rUpa meM pariNAmita hote haiM, usase pUrNa haiM aura tattva se zUnya haiM, aisA kahA gayA hai| vAstava meM to vyavahAra AtmA yAnI rileTiva AtmA paryAya se paripUrNa hai aura dravya se zUnya hai aura mUla daraasala AtmA to zUnya bhI nahIM hai aura pUrNa bhI nahIM hai| ___ AtmA ke paryAya arthAt yahA~ vyavahAra AtmA ke paryAyoM kI bAta hai| riyala AtmA meM bhI paryAya haiM lekina ve zuddha hote haiM jabaki vyavahAra AtmA ke paryAya azuddha haiN| paudgalika paryAyoM aura AtmA ke paryAyoM meM pharka hai| paudgalika paryAya jar3a ke aura AtmA ke cetana paryAya haiN| paudgalika paryAya jJeya ke rUpa meM haiM aura AtmA ke paryAya jJAtA ke rUpa meM haiN| 51

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jaise-jaise dRzya badalate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise AtmA kA dekhanApana badalatA jAtA hai| dUsarA dRzya Ae to use dekhatA hai| jaise-jaise jJeya aura dRzya badalate rahate haiM, vaise-vaise jJAtA - dRSTA badalatA rahatA hai| ebsalyUTa vastu bhI paryAya sahita hai| usake paryAya zuddha haiM aura vibhAvika paryAya alaga haiM, jo ki azuddha haiN| jise saMgadoSa paryAya kahA gayA hai| saMga ke alaga hote hI vaha zuddha ho jAtA hai| yaha saba niyati ke AdhAra para pravAha kI taraha baha rahA hai, anAdi kAla se / kahane ko kahanA par3atA hai ki yaha jagat saMgadoSa se utpanna huA hai lekina vAstava meM utpanna nahIM huA hai / loga aisA kahate haiM na, ki yaha sUrya ugA aura asta huA ? lekina kyA sUrya ko khuda kA uganA yA asta honA dikhAI detA hogA ? aisA hai yaha jagat ! (2) guNa va paryAya ke kanekzana, dRzyoM se jJAna prApta mahAtmAoM ko bAra-bAra aMdara prazna uThatA hai ki 'maiM yaha jo dekhane kA prayatna kara rahA hU~, vaha jJAtA - dRSTApana buddhi se hai yA AtmA se? use kaise DimArkeTa (sImAMkita ) kiyA jA sakatA hai ? z2yAdAtara to aisA lagatA hai ki buddhi se dekha rahe haiN'| aba usake samAdhAna ke lie samajhanA hai ki 'maiM dekhane kA prayatna kara rahA hU~', prayatna arthAt vaha buddhi se ho gyaa| AtmA dvArA sahaja rUpa se dekhanA- jAnanA hotA hai| aura jaba khuda ke aMdara aisA lagatA hai ki buddhi se dekha rahe haiM / 'buddhi dekha rahI hai', aisA dekhA use, 'dRSTA kI taraha dekhA, aisA kahA jAegA, jJAtA kI taraha nhiiN'| aisA 'laga rahA hai' nahIM lekina jaba aisA 'jAnA jAe' tabhI use 'jJAtA' kI taraha dekhanA kahA jaaegaa| buddhi kA jJAtA - dRSTA AtmA (zuddhAtmA) hai, vahI prajJA hai / mUla AtmA, bhagavAna, vaha to ina saba se nyArA hI rahatA hai ! buddhi se dekhanA- jAnanA mAtra vahI hai, jo indriyoM ke mAdhyama se hotA hai| jabaki AtmA kA dekhanA- jAnanA arthAt dravya ko, dravya ke guNoM ko aura usake paryAyoM ko dekhanA- jAnanA jabaki buddhi to kucha hada taka 52

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hI mana ke paryAyoM ko jAna sakatI hai jabaki AtmA mana ke sabhI paryAyoM ko, buddhi ke aura ahaMkAra ke sabhI paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai / aisI bAteM jAnatA hai jo buddhi se pare haiM / jo caMdUbhAI (maMgaladAsa) ko dekhatA hai, vaha buddhi hai aura buddhi ko jo dekhatA hai, vaha AtmA hai aura AtmA se Age paramAtmA pada hai| pahale zuddhAtmA pada AtA hai, Age jAkara vaha paramAtmA pada kI ora jAtA hai| jo paramAtmA bana jAtA hai, use kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai / isakI prApti ke lie niraMtara dekhane-jAnane kA upayoga rahanA caahie| (adhika vistRta satsaMga ke lie AptavANI - 13 (pU.) cepTara 7, dekhane vAlA-jAnane vAlA aura use bhI jAnane vAlA, peja - 493 ko par3hanA hai / ) jo deha aura AtmA ko alaga-alaga haiM, aisA dekhatI hai, vaha prajJA hai| do cIjeM dekhatI haiM, eka hai prajJA aura dUsarA, prajJA kA kArya pUrNa hone ke bAda AtmA ! usake bAda vaha bana jAtA hai ' jJAyaka'! phira vaha bAkI sabhI tattvoM ko, unake guNadharma kyA - kyA haiM, unheM jAnatA hai I jo jJAna khuda ke doSa dikhAe, vaha jJAna nahIM hai lekina jJAna kA paryAya hai| I prajJA AtmA kA paryAya nahIM hai| AtmA bAhara jo bhI dekhatA hai, ve sabhI paryAya haiM / paryAya TemparerI haiN| AtmA ke eka nahIM, aneka nahIM, asaMkhya nahIM lekina anaMta paryAya hote haiN| AtmA ke paryAya do prakAra ke haiM / (1) AtmA ke svabhAva ke paryAya - zuddha hote haiM -mAnyatAe~ nahIM hotIM. -saMkalpa-vikalpa nahIM hote, - vinAzI hote haiM (2) AtmA ke vibhAva ke paryAya -azuddha hote haiM I 53

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- roMga bilIpha -saMkalpa-vikalpa -do tattvoM ke saMgadoSa se utpanna hue AtmA ke vyatireka guNoM meM se ('maiM' meM se) paryAya utpanna hote haiN| - vinAzI haiN| AtmA kA guNa jJAna hai aura jJAna se 'jAnanA', vaha AtmA kA paryAya kahalAtA hai| jaise-jaise jJeya badalate haiM, vaise-vaise jJAna paryAya badalate haiN| jJAna ke paryAya se hI jJeya ko jo ki paudgalika haiM, unheM 'Apa' jAna sakate ho| usake bAda paryAyoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai| kyA AtmA ke aise svataMtra paryAya bhI haiM, jo kahIM bhI pudgala ke saMbaMdha meM nahIM Ate! siddha kSetra meM bhI paryAya haiN| jahA~ para AtmA hai, vahA~ paryAya hote hI haiN| guNa, paryAya aura dravya, sabhI sAtha meM rahate haiN| do bhAga dRSTA aura do bhAga dRzya, isa prakAra kula cAra bhAga haiN| do prakAra ke dRSTA :- (1) prajJA yA shuddhaatmaa| (2) vibhAvika AtmA ke paryAya yAnI ki vibhAvika 'maiM' ke paryAya, vaha buddhi hai| do prakAra ke dRzya :- (1) pratiSThita AtmA (cNduu)| (2) pratiSThita AtmA ke kArya (caMdU kyA kara rahA hai, vh)| jJeya aura dRzya, donoM eka hI cIz2a haiM lekina jaba aisA lagatA hai ki 'kucha hai', taba dRSTA hai aura jaba jAnatA hai ki kyA hai', taba jJAtApada meM hai| mUla AtmA yAnI bhagavAna khuda to vItarAga rahate haiM, ve pratiSThita AtmA ke paryAyoM ko nahIM dekhate, ve to avinAzI tattva ko hI, usake guNa va paryAryoM ko hI dekhate aura jAnate haiN| AtmA ke paryAya bhI vItarAga haiM jo ki yaha jAnate haiM ki 'yaha rAga hai', 'yaha dveSa hai'| arthAt mAtra rAga-dveSa ko jAnate haiM lekina unameM 54

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sajIva ahaMkAra nahIM hai, (isa jJAna ke milane ke bAda sajIva ahaMkAra khatma ho jAtA hai) yAnI ki yaha buddhi 'dekhatI' hai lekina use rAga-dveSa nahIM hote aura vaha dRSTA ke rUpa meM hI rahatI hai aura 'bhagavAna' yAnI ki mUla AtmA, ina saba meM vItarAga rahate haiN| unheM rAga bhI nahIM hai aura dveSa bhI nahIM hai| mUla AtmA kA jJAna zuddha hai aura paryAya zuddha haiM jabaki vibhAvika AtmA kA jJAna zuddha hai aura paryAya azuddha haiN| vibhAvika AtmA ke azuddha paryAyoM meM jo buddhi hai, vaha jIvita ahaMkAra se rahita hai isalie use rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM lekina usase nimna sTeja meM jo (jIvita) ahaMkAra sahita buddhi hai, use rAga-dveSa hai| yadi ahaMkAra ekAkAra nahIM hogA to buddhi aisA dekhegI ki 'yaha rAga hai', aisA dekhegI ki 'yaha dveSa hai', lekina use khuda ko rAga-dveSa nahIM hoNge| isalie yahA~ para buddhi, jo ki vibhAvika paryAya hai, vaha do prakAra kI huii| (1) ahaMkAra rahita buddhi :- 'yaha rAga hai, yaha dveSa hai' aisA dekhatI hai-jAnatI hai lekina use rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| (2) ahaMkAra sahita buddhi :- 'yaha acchA hai, yaha burA hai', aisA dekhatI-jAnatI hai aura rAga-dveSa hote haiN| yadi jJeyoM ko lekara zuddhatA A jAe to pUrA hI zuddha ho jAegA, paryAyoM aura jJeyoM ko lekr| (jJeyoM meM tanmayatA chUTe, vItarAgatA se jJeyoM kA jJAtA rahe to jJeyoM ko lekara khuda meM zuddhatA AtI jAtI hai|) buddhi kahA~ se utpanna huI? vaha vibhAvika AtmA ke paryAyoM se nikalatI hai| jaba paryAyoM meM bhI 'Apako' zuddha dikhAI dene lagegA, taba aisA kahA jAegA ki mUla zuddhAtmA bana gyaa| dAdAzrI khuda ke paryAyoM ke lie kahate haiM ki 'hamArI jitanI kamiyA~ haiM, utane hI paryAya bigar3e hue haiN| ve sabhI jaba zuddha ho jAe~ge to jJAna ekadama zuddha ho jaaegaa| usake bAda pUrNAhuti hogii'| 55

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paryAyoM meM vItarAgatA kaba AtI hai ? saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAne pr| sabhI karmoM kA nikAla (nipaTArA) ho jAne pr| pahale aMdara zuddha ho jAtA hai, usake bahuta samaya bAda bAhara zuddha hotA hai| Atmadravya kA svarUpa, jJAna (guNa) aura paryAya hote haiN| avasthA svarUpa ko dekhate haiM pryaay| jitane bhAga meM jJAna DhakA huA hai, utane hI bhAga meM paryAya se dekhatA hai aura jaba 'khuda' jJAna meM dekhatA hai, taba pUrA kevalajJAna svarUpa hI dikhAI detA hai| kevalajJAna kabhI bhI paryAya rUpI nahIM hotaa| jJAna guNa to saMsAra ke saMdarbha meM kahA gayA hai| AtmA kA mUla guNa to vijJAna taka jA sakatA kyA buddhi ko matijJAna kahate haiM ? nhiiN| jJAna meM buddhi ho hI nahIM sakatI na! buddhi arthAt ahaMkArI jJAna aura AtmA ke vibhAvika paryAya arthAt ahaMkArI jnyaan| saMkSepa meM vibhAvika AtmA (yAnI 'khuda') paryAya ke rUpa meM vinAzI hai aura jJAna ke rUpa meM avinAzI hai| kevalajJAna ke bAda khuda paryAya rUpI nahIM rhtaa| "maiM' paryAya se bhI saMpUrNa zuddha aura sarvAMga zuddha hU~', yahA~ para AtmA ke svAbhAvika paryAyoM kI bAta hai aura mUla AtmA meM to vibhAvika paryAya haiM hI nhiiN| vibhAvika paryAya hI azuddha haiM, unheM zuddha karanA hai, kevala taka pahu~cane ke lie| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki hamArI bhI cAra DigrI taka kI buddhi khatma honI bAkI hai, utane hI azuddha paryAya bace haiN| ve paryAya jaba zuddha ho jAe~ge to hameM kevalajJAna ho jaaegaa| kevalajJAna hone ke bAda meM deha va vANI bAkI rahate haiM, lekina ve 56

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khuda ke svabhAva meM hI rahate haiM isalie bAhara kA use 'no Taca', jabaki vibhAva dazA meM sau pratizata 'ttc'| kevalajJAna sabakucha dekhatA hai, pudgala ke tamAma paryAyoM ko dekhatA hai lekina use rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, basa vItarAgatA! svarUpa jJAna milane ke bAda meM zuddhAtmA to bana gae lekina paryAya zuddha hone bAkI haiN| jaba se 'maiM' kI mAnyatA azuddha huI tabhI se vyavahAra AtmA kI zuruAta huii| kevalajJAna hone taka vaha paryAya svarUpI hI rahatA hai| jJAna, darzana va paryAya svarUpI aura taba taka kaSAya rahate haiN| kevalajJAna hote hI akaSAya dazA A jAtI hai| usake bAda vaha paryAya svarUpI nahIM rhtaa| usake bAda to kevalajJAna svarUpI rahatA hai| kevalajJAna hone taka kaSAya-akaSAya vAle paryAya rahate haiN| jitane paryAya zuddha ho jAte haiM, jitanoM meM vItarAga ho jAtA hai, utanA hI usakA upAdAna mAnA jAtA hai, vahI puruSArtha hai| siddhAtmA meM bhI dravya-guNa va paryAya hote haiN| vibhAvika jJAna ke paryAya 'bAhara' dekhate haiM jabaki jJAna, guNa va dravya ko nahIM chodd'taa| siddhAtmA ke zuddha paryAya 'aMdara' dekhate haiM, 'bAhara' nahIM dekhate, khuda ke dravya meM sabakucha jhalakatA hai (dikhAI detA hai)| __ AtmA kI avasthA usakI bAunDrI meM rahakara badalatI hai, aura taba pudgala usake sAmIpya bhAva meM rahane ke kAraNa usakI nakala karatA hai| pudgala kI avasthA bhI svAbhAvika rUpa se badalatI rahatI hai, usase use aisI mAnyatA ho jAtI hai ki 'maiM badala rahA huuN'| sAmIpya bhAva se jo vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiM, unakI vajaha se pudgala kI avasthA badalatI rahatI hai| __ jar3a ke dabAva se cetana vibhAva dazA meM AtA hai, vahIM para 'maiM' khar3A ho jAtA hai, usI ko bhrAMta bhAva kA ahaMkAra kahA gayA hai| phira Age bar3hakara 'maiM' ko 'maiM caMdU hU~', aisI mAnyatA ho jAtI hai, use paudgalika bhAva kA ahaMkAra kahA gayA hai| 57

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pudgala pariNAma yAnI ki paudgalika paryAya kise kaheMge? pudgala meM se pudgala pariNAma hI utpanna hote haiM aura cetana meM se cetana pariNAma hI utpanna hote haiN| pUrA jagat acetana paryAya se hI cala rahA hai| jJAnI para usakA asara nahIM hotA, ajJAnI para asara hotA hai| ___ sabhI ke sAra ke rUpa meM aMta meM parama pUjya dAdAzrI kahate haiM, paryAya samajha meM nahIM Ae~ge to kyA mokSa meM nahIM jA sakeMge? jA sakeMge kyoMki mokSa to jJAnI kI pA~ca AjJA ke pAlana se hogaa| __ ye paryAya bahuta sUkSma cIz2a haiN| unameM bahuta gahare nahIM utaranA hai| hameM spiniMga karanA (moTA kAtanA) hai, bAda meM vIvIMga (bunAI) karate samaya dekhA jaaegaa| hameM aisA kahanA hai ki 'dravya-guNa-paryAya se maiM saMpUrNa zuddha huuN'| bAkI, usameM se kucha bhI samajha meM nahIM AegA, aura agara samajha meM A gayA to vaha kevalajJAna svarUpa meM A gyaa| (3) avasthA ke udaya-asta AtmA ke paryAya usake khuda ke pradeza meM rahakara badalate haiN| svAbhAvika AtmA to vahI kA vahI hai, TaMkotkIrNa hai| pudgala kI avasthAe~ haiM aura (vibhAvika) AtmA kI bhI avasthAe~ haiN| vaha una donoM ko milAkara 'khuda' siraphor3I karatA hai| __ vAstava meM karmaraja kise aura kisa prakAra se cipakatI hai ? vAstava meM karmaraja AtmA ke dravya para, guNa para yA paryAya para nahIM cipktii| yadi cipaka jAe to phira ukhar3egI hI nahIM na! isalie vAstava meM to bhrAMtirasa se khuda aisA kahatA hai ki, 'maiMne yaha kiyA' aura 'yaha merA hai'| ataH pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) aura AtmA ke bIca meM bhrAMtirasa TapakatA hai| usI se yaha cipakA huA hai, bs| jJAnI dvArA bhrAMtirasa vilaya karane ke bAda aisA ho jAtA hai ki 'yaha maiMne nahIM kiyA aura yaha merA nahIM hai' aura usake bAda dravya alaga ho jAtA hai| 58

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avasthA udayAsta vAlI hotI haiN| manuSya, strI, puruSa, gadhA, gAya, bhaiMsa, ye sabhI AtmA ke phez2iz2a haiM, jaise ki bIja, tIja... caMdra ke phez2a haiM! manuSyapane meM jo guNa adhika anupAta meM Develapa hotA hai, usa anusAra gati milatI hai| isameM AtmA to vahI kA vahI hai I hinduoM meM paMca mahAbhUta aura chaThavA~ tattva AtmA, aisA varNana hai aura mahAvIra bhagavAna ne chaH alaga tattva batAe haiM / (1) hindU dharma :- paMca mahAbhUta meM pRthvI, vAyu, AkAza, jala, agni (isameM AtmA nahIM hai / ) (2) mahAvIra bhagavAna :- cha: sanAtana tattva jinameM cetana, jar3a, dharmAstikAya, adharmAstikAya, AkAza va kAla haiN| paMca mahAbhUtoM meM pRthvI, vAyu, agni va jala, ye cAra mUla tattva nahIM haiM, ve to eka hI sanAtana, mUla jar3a tattva ke aNuoM kI avasthAe~ hI haiN| jabaki AkAza alaga hai, vaha alaga hI sanAtana mAnA jAtA hai| yadi paMca mahAbhUtoM se hI zarIra banA hai to phira isameM gati kisa taraha se hotI hai? vaha kauna se tattvoM se hai ? ataH samajha meM koI pharka hai| deha meM kyA-kyA hai ? pRthvI, jala, vAyu, agni, AkAza, dharmAstikAya, adharmAstikAya, kAla aura nauvA~ khuda cetn| yaha zarIra, mana, ahaMkAra, ina saba meM, AkAza aura bAkI ke cAra mahAbhUtoM meM se (jo jar3a tattva kI avasthAe~ haiM), aura kAla, gati sahAyaka aura sthiti sahAyaka ina saba se banA huA hai / ahaMkAra kA vinAza ho jAtA hai| ahaMkAra meM cetana ekAkAra nahIM hai lekina usa para usakA prabhAva hai| manuSya meM paMca mahAbhUtoM kA imbailensa ho gayA hai| karma ke udaya ke anusAra kama yA jyAdA bhojana le pAtA hai isalie imbailensa ho jAtA hai! 59

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mRtyu ke bAda zarIra ko agni ko kyoM samarpita kiyA jAtA hai ? isalie kyoMki agni hI use saba se spIDilI naSTa karatI hai| bAkI, miTTI va pAnI bhI use dhIre-dhIre naSTa karate haiN| anaMta kAla se isI miTTI kI gaMdagI calatI rahI hai na! pAnI, vAyu, pRthvI aura agni, unameM mAtra jar3a tattva hI nahIM haiM balki ve saba jIva haiN| agni ke jo lAla-bhUre raMga dikhAI dete haiM, ve sabhI jIva haiN| unheM teukAya jIva kahA gayA hai, jinakA zarIra agni rUpI hotA hai| usI prakAra dUsare tattva bhI (pRthvI, pAnI va vAyu) jIvoM ke zarIra hI haiN| jIva va ajIva, do hI tattvoM se kitanI bar3I rAmalIlA ho gaI! hara eka cIz2a rUpAMtarita hotI rahatI hai| rUpAMtaraNa arthAt utpAda, dhruva aura vyy| utpanna honA aura vinAza honA, vaha paryAya se hai aura sthira honA, vaha svabhAva se hai| udAharaNa ke taura para Apa khuda zuddhAtmA ho, dhruva ke taura para ho aura zAzvata ho, aura avasthAe~ yAnI ki saMyoga utpanna hote haiM aura unakA viyoga ho jAtA hai| saMyoga-viyoga, donoM hI avasthAe~ haiM aura AtmA hamezA ke lie sthira hI hai| sthUla va sUkSma avasthAe~ svabhAva se hI jAnI jA sakatI haiN| AtmA jJAna svarUpa hai| vaha khuda ke svAbhAvika jJAna prakAza se bAhara kI avasthAoM ko dekhatA rahatA hai| avasthA utpanna hotI hai, TikatI hai aura vilaya ho jAtI hai| yahA~ para avasthAoM ke Tikane kA artha dhruva nahIM hai kyoMki jaba TikI huI hotI haiM taba sUkSma rUpa se nAza hone kI prakriyA calatI hI rahatI hai| dhruva kA matalaba to yaha hai ki hamezA ke lie usI svarUpa meM rahe, gItA meM aisA kahA gayA hai ki 'sRSTi kA sRjana, pAlana aura visarjana maiM kara rahA hU~', isakA sUkSma artha yaha hai ki 'maiM' zabda AtmA ke lie hai aura usake paryAya utpanna hote haiM aura naSTa ho jAte haiM jabaki AtmA khuda dhruva rahatA hai| 60

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AtmA ke guNa yA mUla dravya nahIM badalate lekina paryAya badalate haiM, use dharma kahA gayA hai| jJAtA-dRSTApana, vaha dharma hai| usakI zuruAta kahA~ se hotI hai ? anaMta bhAga vRddhi saba se kama mAtrA meM vRddhi| asaMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi arthAt bahuta hI kama mAtrA meM bar3hatA hai| saMkhyAta bhAga usase adhika bar3hatA hai| usI prakAra hAni ke lie rivarsa samajhanA hai| hAni va vRddhi paryAyoM meM hotI haiN| jaba vRddhi hotI hai taba : anaMta bhAga vRddhi - asaMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi - saMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi - saMkhyAta guNa vRddhi - asaMkhyAta guNa vRddhi - anaMta guNa vRddhi jaba hAni hotI hai taba : anaMta guNa hAni - asaMkhyAta guNa hAni - saMkhyAta guNa hAni - saMkhyAta bhAga hAni - asaMkhyAta bhAga hAni - anaMta bhAga hAni - anaMta bhAga vRddhi... abhI, pahale logoM kI cahala-pahala kI zuruAta anaMta bhAga vRddhi se hotI haiN| vaha siddha bhagavAna ke khuda ke dravya meM jhalakatA hai| jaba vRddhi hotI hai taba : anaMta bhAga vRddhi - subaha 3-4 baje - lAkha meM se 10-20 loga calate-phirate dikhAI dete haiN| asaMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi - subaha 5-6 baje - lAkha meM se 50-100 loga bar3hate haiN| saMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi - subaha 7-8 baje - lAkha meM se 500-700 loga bar3hate haiN| saMkhyAta guNa vRddhi - subaha 9-10 baje - lAkha meM se 2-3 haz2Ara loga bar3hate haiN| asaMkhyAta guNa vRddhi - subaha 10-11 baje - lAkha meM se 12-15 haz2Ara loga bar3hate haiN| 61

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anaMta guNa vRddhi - subaha 11-12 baje - lAkha meM se 60-70 haz2Ara loga bar3hate haiN| (bar3ha-bar3hakara sattara-assI haz2Ara taka AtA hai) jaba hAni hotI hai taba :- (ghaTane kA kAla AegA taba) anaMta guNa hAni - dopahara ko 5-6 baje - lAkha meM se 60-70 haz2Ara loga kama ho jAte haiN| (oNphisa se ghara jAne lagate haiM isalie rAste khAlI hone lagate haiN|) __ asaMkhyAta guNa hAni - zAma ko 6-7 baje - lAkha meM se 12-15 haz2Ara loga kama ho jAte haiN| saMkhyAta guNa hAni - zAma ko 7-8 baje - lAkha meM se 2-3 haz2Ara loga kama ho jAte haiN| saMkhyAta bhAga hAni - rAta ko 9-10 baje - lAkha meM se 500700 loga kama ho jAte haiN| asaMkhyAta bhAga hAni - rAta ko 10-11 baje - lAkha meM se 50100 loga kama ho jAte haiN| anaMta bhAga hAni - rAta ko 12-1 baje - lAkha meM se 10-20 loga kama ho jAte haiN| ve kama hote jAte haiM aura subaha 3-4 baje se vApasa bar3hate jAte haiN| uparokta kramAnusAra pUrI sAikala ripITa hotI rahatI hai| (logoM kI saMkhyA to hamane yahA~ para sirpha udAharaNa ko samajhane ke lie dI hai|) AtmA ko 'khuda ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotaa| usake dharma badalate rahate haiN| usake aMdara sabakucha jhalakatA hai| usase use kyA bojha? darpaNa ke sAmane koI nakhare kare to usameM nukasAna kise hai ? / __ [4] avasthA ko dekhane vAlA khuda' vAstava meM koI avasthA 'khuda ko' ulajhAtI hI nahIM hai| avasthA ko svabhAva manavAne vAlI 'khuda kI' mAnyatA kI vajaha se hI ulajhaneM haiN| svabhAva arthAt tttv| avasthA ko 'maiM hI hU~', aisA mAnatA hai isalie 62

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saMsAra bar3hatA hai| AtmA kA svabhAva hai 'dekhanA aura jaannaa'| avasthAoM ko 'Apa' dekhate hI raho / avasthA ko nitya mAnatA hai usI ke kAraNa sabhI duHkha haiN| koharA Ane se kyA ghabarA jAnA cAhie ? kucha dera bAda vaha bikhara jAegA ? vastu nitya hai, avasthAe~ anitya haiM / ye jo dikhAI detI haiM, ve tamAma mUla tattvoM kI avasthAe~ hI haiM, mUla tattva nahIM haiN| agara vaha dikhAI de to kAma hI bana jaae| jagat meM sabhI ke pAsa avasthA dRSTi hai / 'yahA~' AtmA kA jJAna milane ke (jJAnavidhi) bAda tattva dRSTi utpanna ho jAtI hai| riyala AtmA riyala tattvoM ko hI dekhatA hai aura jo saMsArI AtmA hai, vaha avasthAoM ko dekhatA hai| jJAna milane ke bAda yadi kahIM bhI jJeya meM cipake to turaMta hI tattva dRSTi se samajha meM A jAtA hai ki yaha 'caMdUbhAI' kA hai, merA nahIM hai / tattva kI avasthA ke eliyA (kisI surAkha meM se Ane vAlI sUrya kI kiraNeM) par3ate haiN| jaise ki jaba sUryanArAyaNa bAdala ke pIche hote haiM phira bhI unakI avasthAoM ke eliyA par3ate haiM / avasthA dRSTi se dekhane para usakA prabhAva par3atA hai, AkarSaNavikarSaNa hotA hai, tattva dRSTi se nahIM / avasthA meM 'maiM' pana mAnA ki turaMta hI usameM cuMbakatva utpanna ho jAtA hai| tattva dRSTi se mokSa hotA hai / tattva dRSTi se dekhane vAle ko lAbha hotA hai| sAmane vAle meM AtmA dikhAI detA hai| jabaki avasthA dRSTi se dekhane vAlA usameM kho jAtA hai / tattva dRSTi vAle ko dUdha meM ghI dikhAI detA hai, tila meM tela dikhAI detA hai ! tattva dRSTi hue binA 'jJAnakriyAbhyAm mokSa' kabhI bhI nahIM ho sktaa| kyoMki tattva dRSTi ke binA avasthA ko hI jJAna kriyA mAna lete haiM, lekina ve saba to ajJAna kriyAe~ kahalAtI haiN| jisa avasthA meM AtA hai, vaisA hI usakA nAma par3a jAtA hai| paira 63

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TUTa jAe to laMgar3A, TAipa kare to TAipisTa, DrAiva kare to ddraaivr| sabakucha rileTiva hai, riyala meM to duniyA gar3abar3a ghoTAlA hai| janma honA Adi hai aura mRtyu aMta hai jabaki AtmA anAdi anaMta hai| jo jItA aura maratA hai, vaha jIva hai| janma-maraNa bhrAMti hai| vAstava meM to yaha avasthA parivartana hai| jJAnI kI bhASA jagat se nyArI hai| AtmA jJAnI nahIM hai, jJAnI kA phez2a hai, use dekhate rahanA hai| kaoNz2ez2a va iphekTa avasthA meM hote haiM, tattva meM nhiiN| buddhi avasthA ko svarUpa manavAtI hai, taba yadi dAdA ko yAda karake kahe ki 'maiM vItarAga hU~' to buddhi bahana baiTha jAegI! jJAna ke bAda meM jJeya-jJAtA saMbaMdha ko mAtra jAnanA hai| bhrAMti se AtmA ke bAre meM jo kucha bhI socA huA hai, vaha jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha ko jAnane se hI calA jAtA hai| usake bagaira nahIM jA sakatA kyoMki AtmA kI upasthiti meM tanmayAkAra hone se vicAra sTempa vAle ho jAte haiN| 'maiM' meM par3ane se avasthA meM asvastha aura sva meM svastha ho jAtA hai arthAt prmaatmaa| darpaNa meM himAlaya dikhAI de to kyA darpaNa ko usase bhAra mahasUsa hogA? jJAnI ko saMsAra avasthA sparza hI nahIM karatI to bhAra kahA~ se? sabhI paryAyoM ke, sabhI sUkSma saMyogoM ke zuddha hote hI vaha anaMta jJAnI bana jAtA hai| saMkSepa meM samajha jAo ki 'maiM AtmA hU~, aura bAkI sabhI paryAya haiM', to jaldI se aMta A jaaegaa| AtmA kI vibhAvika avasthA meM rahane se rAga-dveSa haiM aura svAbhAvika avasthA meM rahane se vItarAga! mana-vacana-kAyA kI avasthA meM mukAma kare to vahA~ asvastha, 64

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niraMtara aMtaradAha calatA hI rahatA hai| avasthAoM kA to niraMtara samasaraNa hotA hI rahatA hai, usameM mukAma karane vAle ko suHkha-zAMti kahA~ se? pichalI gunahagArI ke phala ke rUpa meM Aja ye avasthAe~ milatI haiM ! he jIva! avasthA kI bhakti chor3akara 'sva' kI bhakti meM DUba ! A~khoM kA jhapakanA bhI avasthA hai, aura phira vaha oNTomaiTika ho jAtA hai ! agara khuda karanA ho to kyA usakI ridama yA kAunTa kA ThikAnA rahegA? insiDenTa meM avasthA kA samAveza ho jAtA hai, kyoMki avasthA eka saMyoga hai| lekina avasthA meM insiDenTa kA samAveza nahIM ho sktaa| jo-jo avasthA acchI lagI, vaisA saMyoga milegA hii| tattvoM ke milane se 'aham' utpanna hotA hai, kyA vaha badala sakatA hai? aham kA nAza kevalajJAna hone para hI ho sakatA hai| bAkI, avasthAoM kA nAza to turaMta hI ho jAtA hai| kudaratI niyama ke anusAra koI bhI avasthA 48 minaTa se z2yAdA nahIM ttiktii| dAdAzrI kahate haiM ki 'hamane duniyA kI kisI bhI avasthA ko cakhanA bAkI nahIM rkhaa'| pasaMdIdA meM tanmayAkAra to pasaMda vAlA bA~dhatA hai aura nApasaMda meM tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA to bhI nApasaMda kA hI baMdhana hotA hai| yadi avasthA meM lakSa (jAgati) rahe to vahA~ nizAna par3atA hai aura nahIM jAe to avasthA svAhA ho jAtI hai, jAgRti yajJa meM! pUrva janma meM jina paryAyoM kA vizeSa rUpa se vedana kiyA hogA, ve abhI adhika Ae~ge aura ghaMToM-ghaMToM taka citta vahA~ para cipakA rhegaa| use dakhala kahA gayA hai| avasthA ko 'nahIM hai merI' kareMge tabhI vaha chuuttegii| jJAnI kisI bhI avasthA meM eka kSaNa ke lie bhI ekAkAra nahIM hote| 65

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vartamAna meM hI baratate haiN| avasthAe~ DiscArja haiM, ve vApasa kabhI bhI nahIM aatiiN| avasthAe~ svAhA kaba hotI haiM ? jaba jJAtA avasthAoM ko jJeya ke rUpa meM alaga 'jAne', mana bigar3e to aneka bAra pratikramaNa karake use sApha kara le, taba AtmA cipake hue paryAyoM se mukta ho jAtA hai! yadi avasthAoM ko pakar3A nahIM jAe taba bhI calI jAe~gI aura pakar3akara rakhA jAe taba bhI calI jAe~gI isalie unheM bAya-bAya kara denaa| ajJAnI avasthAoM meM potApanA mAnatA hai, mAnatA hai ki 'maiM hI huuN'| jJAnI unheM mAtra 'dekhate' aura 'jAnate' haiM ! jisa davAI se roga miTe, vahI davAI sahI hai| jisa jJAna se saMsAra chUTe vAstava meM vahI AtmajJAna hai| jaba jJAna kA upayoga ho taba use prajJA kahate haiN| je pada zrI sarvajJe dIThaM jJAnamAM. kahI zakyA nahIM te pada zrI vItarAga jo. teha svarUpane anya vANI te zuM kahe? anubhava gocara mAtra raghu e jJAna jo. apUrva avasara evo kyAre Avaze? -zrImad rAjacaMdra dAdAzrI bahuta z2ora dekara kahate haiM, 'kAma nikAla lo, kAma nikAla lo, kAma nikAla lo, yaha bulabulA phUTe usase pahale!!!' -DaoN. nIrU bahana amIna 66

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anukramaNikA [ khaMDa-1 ] vibhAva - vizeSabhAva - vyatireka guNa [1] vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha vizva kI utpatta kA mUla kAraNa bhrAMti kI bhavAI, sAmIpya bhAva se jJAna nahIM, badalI hai mAtra bilIpha pahalA milana paramAtmA se vibhAva ke bAda meM vyatireka svAbhAvika aura vibhAvika pudgala ahaMkAra ciMtana karatA hai aura.... vyatireka meM mukhya, aham 1 3 [2] krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha, kisake guNa ? 7 10 11 11 13 15 ve haiM vyatireka guNa 17 20 bhrAMti kahatA hai, vaha bhI bhrAMti kahane meM pharka hai, jJAnI - ajJAnI ke 21 [ 3 ] vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva ? paribhASA vibhAva kI 23 kyA merA AtmA pApI hai ? 25 rAgAdi bhAva nahIM haiM AtmA ke 30 kartApana se racA saMsAra 31 pUrI pratiSThA sarjita... 32 33 vyavahAra AtmA hI ahaMkAra hai saMsAra anaupacArika, vyavahAra se... 34 vizeSa spaSTatA, vibhAva avasthA kI...35 preraNA isameM pAvara kI 37 67 [ 4 ] prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA varlDa, iTa selpha paz2ala nahIM hai Adi ajJAnatA kI 39 39 bhramaNAe~ sArI buddhi kI 40 aMta hai lekina Adi nahIM karma kI 42 yAtrA, nigoda se siddha taka kI 43 saMyogoM ke dabAva se sarjita huA... 46 tirachI naz2ara aura cipaka par3A 47 kyA mukhar3A nahIM dikhAtA darpaNa.... 49 [ 5 ] anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa 'guNadharmoM' se huA vizeSa bhAva ve kahalAte haiM anvaya guNa 51 52 54 sadguNoM kI kImata nahIM hai vahA~ aMta meM to alaga rakhanA hai, jItanA... 55 amala, vahI hai mohanIya 57 59 nahIM hai AtmA kI koI vaMzAvalI ajJAna to khar3A ho gayA 60 roMga bilIpha utpanna ho gaI, vizeSa.. 62 [ 6 ] vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna ajJAna ajJAna bhI jJAna hI hai vAstava meM vaha nahIM hai bhrAMti pharka, vizeSa bhAva aura vizeSa... vibhAva ke bAda prakRti aura puruSa prakRti banI prasavadharmI, paramANuoM... 73 72 66 68 70

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77 vibhAva kA aura adhika vizleSaNa 74 jJAna ke bAda kaSAya anAtmA ke 109 jaMga hI hai ahaMkAra bhogane kI mAtra mAnyatA hai 78 [9] svabhAva aura vibhAva ke / [7] chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se svarUpa vibhAva jagat calatA hai svabhAva se hI 111 samasaraNa mArga meM... 80 nahIM hai kartApana, svabhAva meM 113 vidharmI hue haiM do hI 80 svabhAva, sattA aura pariNAma 115 chaH dravya, nahIM haiM kampAunDa ke... 81 svabhAva karma kA kartA... 115 pudgala khuda hI vizeSa pariNAma hai 82 Develapa hone vAlA kauna hai? 117 jJAnI naz2aroM se dekhakara kahate haiM... 83 vizeSa pariNAma meM bhI anaMta zakti 118 phira karma baMdhana hote samaya chaH tattva...84 pratyeka dravya, nija dravyAdhIna 118 nahIM koI kisI ke viruddha 85 bhAvanA meM se vAsanA... 120 akrama jJAna, vaha hai cetana kA 86 svabhAva se vikArI nahIM hai pudgala 121 vibhAva anAdi se haiM aMta meM AnA hai svabhAva meM 122 nahIM hai doSa isameM kisI kA sapoz2a se milatA hai yoM javAba 123 niyati kA sthAna zukladhyAna bhI hai vibhAva 123 vibhAva, adhika vistArapUrvaka 90 svabhAva kA maraNa hI bhAvamaraNa hai 124 nahIM hai kartA koI jagat meM 95 bhagavAna kI upasthiti se utpanna... 96 [10] vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? [8] krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA 'Apa' cetana, 'caMdU' pudgala 126 lobha se 'merA' _ 'aham caMdU', vaha vizeSa bhAva 127 'maiM' bar3hA Age... pariNAmoM kI paraMparA... 98 129 kaSAya, karma kaoNz2a aura aMta:karaNa.. 99 svabhAva meM rahakara hotA hai vibhAva 130 gAr3ha vibhAva, avyavahAra rAzi meM 102 nIMva meM sarvatra saMyoga hI haiN| vyavasthita aura punarjanma 103 'maiM' ko karanA hai zuddha... 132 vibhAva, vaha ahaMkAra hai 104 bhAva bhI parasattA / 132 inameM jo alaga rahA vaha 'jJAnI' 106 krodha, jJAna ke bAda... kAraNa, kartA banane kA 109 jJAnI kI garjanA, jAgRta kare... 134 131 68

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kaSAya vyatireka haiM, nahIM haiM 'tere' 135 'maiM zuddhAtmA', kyA vahI ahaMkAra... 153 anAdi ke vibhAva, jJAna hote hI... 136 bhalA aMdhe ahaMkAra ko cazme? 154 pharka, jJAnI aura ajJAnI meM... 136 ahaMkAra kise AyA? 155 hama khuda kauna hai? 157 [11] jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA ahaMkAra kI Adi aura vRddhi 159 aMta AtA hai taba... 'hU~' kI vartanA badalatI hai aise... 165 avinAzI, vastu tathA vastu ke... 138 'maiM' kA sthAna, zarIra meM 166 taba ahaMkAra gaddI sauMpa detA hai... 170 jo vipariNAma ko jAne, vahI sva... 140 dRSTi kyA hai? dRSTi kisakI hai? 175 aham aura vibhAva 143 vaha ahaMkAra nahIM hai paraMtu 'maiM' hai 176 kevalajJAna ke bAda meM nahIM rahatA... 146 svakSetra hai daravAz2A siddha kSetra kA 149 nizcaya kAma kA, vyavahAra nikAlI 177 'maiM' rahA DiscArja pariNAma ke rUpa.181 [12] 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 'maiM' ko pahacAnane vAlA, bane... 185 ahaMkAra utpanna huA yoM... 152 mokSa DhU~Dhane vAlA aura mokSa svarUpa 187 [khaMDa-2] dravya-guNa-paryAya [1] paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya [2] guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita dravya kA matalaba? 189 bheda, buddhi se dekhane meM aura prajJA... 209 paryAya aura avasthA meM pharka 191 pharka, prajJA aura paryAya meM 211 jJAna hI AtmA hai, dravya-guNa ke... 194 10 paryAya ke binA, nahIM hai Atma... 212 saMkhyA, tattvoM ke guNoM kI 195 do-do prakAra haiM, dRSTA aura dRzya... 215 buddhi jar3a hai yA cetana? 221 ghAtI haiM guNoM meM se aura aghAtI... 196 zuddha jJAna dazA meM dekhA zuddha hI 223 zuddha citta paryAya ke rUpa meM... 199 zuddhatA prApta karavAe pUrNatA 223 badalate haiM sirpha paryAya, na ki jJAna...200 siddhAtmA ke bhI paryAya haiM 228 tattva se zUnya, paryAya se pUrNa 202 avasthA hai AtmA kI aura nakala...229 pharka, riyala aura rileTiva... 203 bhrAMta bhAva aura paudgalika bhAva 232 alaga haiM donoM ke paryAya, saMgadoSa...206 z2arUrata, paryAya kI yA pA~ca AjJA...233 ___ kI 69

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[3] avasthA ke udaya va asta [4] avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' paryAya kI paribhASA 236 ulajhana mAtra roMga bilIpha se hai 256 258 avasthA anitya, vastu nitya karmaraja cipakate haiM bhrAMtirasa se 236 tattva dRSTi, avasthA dRSTi 259 vastu avinAzI aura avasthAe~... 238 jagat gar3abar3a ghoTAlA 261 pharka, paMca mahAbhUta aura chaH sanA... 240 kathita kevalajJAna / 262 oNksIjana nahIM hai mUla tattva 241 aMta meM avasthAoM kA aMta 264 bhASA bhagavAna kI hai nyArI re 264 ahaMkAra meM haiM cAra tattva... 242 sthira vastu ko dekhate hI sthira / imbailensa pA~coM kA manuSyoM meM 244 'sva' meM svastha, avasthA meM.... usameM to haiM asaMkhya jIva 245 'ApakA' mukAma kisameM? 268 palaka kA jhapakanA bhI avasthA 270 rUpAMtarita karatA hai kAla kyA aham vinAzI hai? 270 ye saMyoga-viyoga, ye haiM paryAya 247 badalatI haiM avasthAe~ pala-pala 271 utpAda, vyaya, dhruva 248 hamane cakhI haiM duniyA bhara kI... 273 gItA kI yathArtha samajha 250 avasthA meM cipaka jAtA hai citta... 274 ve haiM rUpaka... 1. Ahuti, pratyeka avasthA kI sarva avasthAoM meM ni:zaMka... 277 niyama, hAni-vRddhi kA 253 nikAla lenA kAma re 278 265 267 275 70

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AptavANI zreNI - 14 bhAga - 1 khaMDa - 1 vibhAva - vizeSabhAva - vyatireka guNa [1] vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha vizva kI utpatti kA mUla kAraNa praznakartA: paramAtmA ko vizva kI utpatti kA mUla kAraNa bhI kahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : paramAtmA ko mUla kAraNa kahate haiM / mUla kAraNa to haiM hI na ! lekina mUla kAraNa saMyogI saMbaMdhoM kI vajaha se haiM, svataMtra saMbaMdha se nhiiN| praznakartA : vaha samajhAie / dAdAzrI : bhagavAna svataMtra kAraNa nahIM haiM / kahanA ho to, yadi khojeMge to kAraNa milegA to sahI lekina usameM ve khuda svataMtra kAraNa nahIM bane haiN| aba yadi ve svataMtra (kAraNa) hote to mUla kAraNa kahalAte aura yadi kisI ke dabAva se bane hoM to ?

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) anya koI kAraNa nahIM hai lekina kahanA to par3egA na! abhI koI pUche ki 'bhAI, isameM isakA koI mUla kAraNa hai ?' to vaha yaha hai| isalie mUla kAraNa ke taura para kAraNa kahanA par3atA hai| jagat kA mUla kAraNa to, vAstava meM yaha bhI vizeSa bhAva kI vajaha se ho gayA hai| Aja ke sAinTisTa yaha samajha sakate haiN| do cIz2oM kI, jar3a aura cetana kI upasthiti se tIsarA vizeSa bhAva-vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai| isalie yaha jagat khar3A ho gayA hai| yaha jagat vijJAna se utpanna huA hai aura vijJAna hI isakA kartA hai| isIlie sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa kahatA hU~ aura yaha dekhakara kaha rahA huuN| yaha pustaka kI bAta nahIM hai, yaha gappa nahIM hai, bilkula nyU (navIna) aura khullI bAta hai| praznakartA : pahalA kaoNz2a kauna sA hai? saba se bar3A kAraNa kauna sA hai? dAdAzrI : do tattva sAtha meM rahe na, vahI kaoNz2a hai| ye sabhI tattva sAtha meM rahakara parivartita hote haiM, parivartanazIla svabhAva vAle haiN| isalie vahI kaoNz2a hai, isameM anya koI kaoNz2a nahIM hai| bAkI, AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI hai| use kucha bhI sparza nahIM kara sktaa| vastu nirlepa hI hai, asaMga hI hai| sirpha ina do vastuoM ke sAtha meM rahane se yaha vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gayA hai| vahA~ se phira usameM se kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa calatA hI rahatA hai| isa jagat meM chaH iTarnala (zAzvata) vastue~ haiN| chaH tattva haiM, ve sanAtana tattva haiN| ve sabhI tattva samasaraNa karate haiN| samasaraNa arthAt eka tattva dUsare tattva ke sAtha AtA hai, usameM jar3a aura cetana tattva ke samIpa Ane se vyatireka guNa (vizeSa guNa) utpanna hotA hai, usameM 'maiM pana' mAnatA hai ki, 'maiM hU~, maiM kara rahA huuN| isa jagat meM do cIjeM haiM; 'Apa' aura 'sNyog'| 'AtmA' baMdhA

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha huA nahIM hai lekina saMyogoM se ghirA huA hai paraMtu ve nikaTa saMyoga haiM isalie 'Apako' bhrAMti ho jAtI hai / bhrAMti kI bhavAI, sAmIpya bhAva se praznakartA : aba, dAdAjI isa 'sAmIpya bhAva ko lekara bhrAMti utpanna hotI hai', vaha ThIka se samajhAie | 3 dAdAzrI : isa zarIra meM pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai ) aura AtmA donoM ke ekadama naz2adIka hone ke kAraNa arthAt isake dabAva ko lekara bhrAMti utpanna ho jAtI hai ki 'maiM yaha hU~ yA vaha hU~ ?' isake dabAva ke kAraNa aisA hotA hai / koI kriyA ho jAe to kahatA hai 'maiMne kI yA kisI aura ne kI ? aura kauna hai karane vAlA ?' yAnI yaha bhrAMti utpanna hotI hai| khuda ne kucha bhI nahIM kiyA hai / AtmA kartA hai hI nahIM lekina 'use' aisA lagatA hai ki, 'karane vAlA anya aura kauna hai ? maiM hI hU~, maiMne hI kiyA hai'| vaha naz2adIka hai na, isalie use bhrAMti utpanna ho jAtI hai| dUsarA koI karane vAlA hai nahIM aura khuda kartA nahIM hai phira bhI kahatA hai 'maiMne kiyA, vahI bhrAMti hai / vaha baMdhana kA samIkaraNa hai, to hama ina donoM ko alaga kara dete haiM ki 'yaha Apa nahIM ho', to alaga ho gyaa| praznakartA : pudgala paramANuoM kI caMcalatA haiM, kyA isI vajaha se Atma tattva ko bhrAMti ho jAtI hogI ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, taba to phira yaha sAmane vAle kA gunAha huA / hama para kyA asara ho sakatA hai ? yaha to, do vastuoM ke sAtha meM rahane se vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai / praznakartA : vaha to ThIka hai lekina do vastue~ sAtha meM kyoM AtI dAdAzrI : cha: zAzvata vastue~ pahale se hI sAtha meM haiM lekina ye do vastue~, jar3a aura cetana aisI haiM ki vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAtA

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hai| dUsarI sabhI vastue~ sAtha meM hoM to vizeSa guNa utpanna nahIM hotaa| jaDa aura cetana donoM ke milane se prathama vibhAva meM 'maiM' utpanna hotA praznakartA : sirpha inhIM meM hotA hai? dAdAzrI : sirpha ye do hI vastue~ aisI haiN| praznakartA : ye ina donoM tattvoM ke mUlabhUta guNa hI hoMge na? eka-dUsare ke guNoM ke hisAba se hI aisA hotA hogA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, vizeSa bhAva yAnI ki jo guNa khuda ke nahIM haiM, vaise guNa utpanna ho jAte haiM, do vastuoM ko sAtha meM rakhane se| praznakartA : hA~, vaha ThIka hai lekina mUlabhUta to, AtmA meM jo guNa haiM aura pudgala paramANuoM (jar3a) meM jo guNa haiM, unakI vajaha se dUsarA guNa utpanna hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : mUla guNa haiM na unake pAsa, pudgala paramANuoM kA guNa hai skriytaa| isalie yaha vibhAvika pudgala bana jAtA hai aura isa cetana ko khuda ko kucha bhI nahIM hai, yaha parAI upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) hai isalie aisA (vibhAva) ho gayA hai| AtmA kI icchApUrvaka nahIM hai| do vastue~ sAtha meM rakhI hoM to donoM meM vizeSa bhAva utpanna hote haiN| phira yadi donoM vastue~ asara vAlI hoM to pakar3a letI haiM aura asara rahita hoM to nahIM pakar3atIM lekina vizeSa bhAva to utpanna hotA hI hai aura inameM ( pudgala paramANuoM meM) sakriyatA hai isalie turaMta hI pakar3a lete haiN| praznakartA : pudgala pakar3a letA hai, isalie aisA dikhAI detA hai ki yaha tUphAna pudgala kA hai| dAdAzrI : pudgala kI galatI dikhAI detI hai lekina sirpha pudgala kA hI gunAha nahIM hai| ye donoM sAtha meM haiM, tabhI aisA hai| yadi ye donoM alaga ho jAe~ to vahA~ para asara rahegA hI nhiiN|

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha praznakartA : vibhAva to svabhAva se alaga cIz2a hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vibhAva to, jar3a aura cetana tattva ke pAsa-pAsa Ane se jo tIsarA vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai, use kahA gayA hai| praznakartA : lekina AtmA meM vibhAva nahIM hai, dravya dRSTi meM vibhAva nahIM hai, lekina jaba vaha paryAya dRSTi meM AtA hai taba vibhAva utpanna hotA hai, vaha bAta to sahI hai na? dAdAzrI : vibhAva ke binA to paryAya dRSTi ho hI nahIM sktii| paryAya dRSTi bAda meM hotI hai, vibhAva hone ke bAda meN| ataH mUla kAraNa vibhAva hai| use vibhAvika paryAya kahA gayA hai| mUla tattva ke svAbhAvika paryAya to isase alaga hI haiN| (paryAya svAbhAvika haiN| paryAya dRSTi hI roMga bilIpha hai|)* usa vizeSa bhAva ko vItarAgoM ne vibhAva kahA hai| jabaki loga kyA samajhe ki AtmA kI dRSTi sAMsArika ho gaI hai| are bhAI, yaha dRSTi nahIM badalI hai| aisA ho hI nahIM sktaa| khuda ke dravya, guNa va paryAya to zuddha hI haiN| jaise bhagavAna mahAvIra ke the, vaise hI zuddha haiN| jJAnI vaha saba dekhane ke bAda Apako jJAna dete haiN| AtmA kA svabhAva hai| khuda kA svabhAva arthAt khuda ke guNadharma aura vaha khuda kI bAunDrI meM hI rahatA hai| AtmA guNadharma aura bAunDrI se bAhara jAtA hI nahIM hai aura vaha usakA svabhAva hai aura phira svabhAva meM rahate hue yaha vizeSa bhAva hai| praznakartA : dAdA! svabhAva aura vibhAva donoM viruddha haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vibhAva ko vizeSa bhAva kahA jAtA hai| vizeSa bhAva 'maiM' ke rUpa meM utpanna huaa| 'maiM kucha hU~ aura yaha maiMne hI kiyA hai, mere alAvA aura kauna hai karane vAlA?' yaha vizeSa bhAva hai| yaha viruddha bhAva nahIM hai| yadi AtmA meM svAbhAvika aura viruddha bhAva dazA, donoM sAtha meM hoMge to vaha AtmA kahalAegA hI nahIM na! *vibhAva hone ke bAda paryAya se saMbaMdhita aura adhika vivaraNa ke lie-khaMDa-2 meM

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6 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : donoM meM vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : donoM meN| pudgala paramANuoM (jar3a) meM bhI vizeSa bhAva hotA hai aura AtmA meM bhI vizeSa bhAva hotA hai| yaha aisA hai na, ki pudagala jIvaMta vastu nahIM hai| vahA~ para bhAva nahIM hotA lekina vaha isa taraha kA ho jAtA hai ki vizeSa bhAva ko grahaNa kara letA hai isalie usameM bhI parivartana hotA hai aura AtmA meM bhI parivartana hotA hai| aba isameM AtmA kucha karatA nahIM hai, pudgala bhI kucha nahIM karatA, vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : donoM kA saMyoga AsapAsa meM hone ke kAraNa? dAdAzrI : donoM kA saMyoga huA ki turaMta vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : mAtra saMyogoM ke kAraNa hai yA anya kisI kAraNa se dAdAzrI : saMyogoM ke kAraNa hai aura dUsarA kAraNa hai ajJAnatA, vaha bAta to hameM aMdara mAna hI lenI hai kyoMki hama jo bAta kara rahe haiM na, vaha ajJAnatA ke aMdara kI bAta kara rahe haiM, vaha bAunDrI hai| jJAna kI bAunDrI kI bAta nahIM kara rahe haiM hm| ataH vahA~ para ajJAna dazA meM (vyavahAra) AtmA ko yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| phira (bAz2I) pudgala ke hAtha meM A jAtI hai| AtmA phira kaida ho jAtA hai jela meN| usake bAda sArI pudgala sttaa| phira bhI yadi kaoNz2ez2a baMda kara die jAe~ to pudgala sattA baMda ho jaaegii| hama jaba jJAna dete haiM taba kaoNz2ez2a baMda ho jAte haiN| vizeSa bhAva honA baMda ho jAtA hai, jo ki rUTa kaoNz2a hai| kaoNz2a baMda hue ki khatma ho gayA, khuda ko khuda kI jAgRti A jAtI hai| ajAgRti se khar3A ho gayA hai yh| zuddha gujarAtI meM kahanA ho to ajAgRti ko 'bebhAnapaNu (behozI) kahate haiN| praznakartA : donoM ke alaga-alaga vizeSa bhAva utpanna hote haiM yA donoM ko eka sAtha eka hI hotA hai ?

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha dAdAzrI : pahale mUla AtmA vizeSa bhAvI huA kyoMki usameM cetana hai na! una saba meM cetana nahIM hai isalie pahale vizeSa bhAva utpanna nahIM hotaa| khuda kA svarUpa jaisA hai, use vaisA hI rakhakara vizeSa bhAvI banA hai| khuda ke svarUpa meM badalAva nahIM huA isIlie vizeSa bhAva kahate haiM na! yadi svarUpa meM parivartana huA hotA to viruddha bhAva khlaataa| yaha to vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai isalie AtmA mUla bhAva ko cUka jAtA hai| yaha (jar3a) bhI mUla bhAva ko cUka jAtA hai| vizeSa bhAva donoM ke milane se hI hotA hai| koI karatA nahIM hai isalie donoM mUla bhAva ko cUka jAte haiM aura saMsAra kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai| phira jaba AtmA mUla bhAva meM AtA hai, khuda jAna jAtA hai ki 'maiM kauna hU~, taba vaha mukta hotA hai| usake bAda meM pudgala bhI mukta ho jAtA hai| jJAna nahIM, badalI hai mAtra bilIpha AtmA kI vimukhatA se lekara sammukha hone taka kI ye sArI kriyAe~ calatI rahatI haiN| to kitanI hI bAtoM meM ApakI (mahAtmAoM ke lie) ye mAnyatAe~ TUTa cukI haiM aura kitanI hI bAtoM meM abhI mAnyatAe~ bAkI rahI huI haiM, aura saMsAriyoM ko jaise-jaise anubhava hote haiM na, vaise-vaise kucha-kucha mAnyatAe~ TUTatI jAtI haiN| hamArI sabhI mAnyatAe~ saMpUrNa rUpa se chUTa cukI haiN| arthAt yadi ye mAnyatAe~ chUTa jAe~ na, to khuda mukta hI hai| isameM jJAna nahIM badalA hai, mAnyatAe~ badala gaI haiN| cir3iyA kA yadi jJAna badala gayA hotA na, to vaha coMca mAramArakara mara hI jaatii| lekina jJAna nahIM badalA hai, usakI bilIpha badalI hai phira vahA~ se ur3ane ke bAda kucha bhI nhiiN| jaba vApasa AtI hai taba vApasa bilIpha khar3I ho jAtI hai ki 'yaha vahI hai| lekina agara vApasa ur3a jAe to kucha bhI nhiiN| usameM to ur3ane ke bAda agara yaha jJAna badala jAe to khatma hI ho jaaegaa| lekina jJAna nahIM bdltaa| arthAt darzana meM bhrAMti hai, jJAna meM bhrAMti nahIM hai| darzana meM bhrAMti yAnI ki 'maiM hU~' usakA bhAna hai lekina vaha 'maiM' kyA hai, usakI khabara

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) nahIM hai| jaise ki jhUle meM baiThane se pahale samajhatA hai ki khuda ThIka hai, tabiyata acchI hai lekina jhUle meM baiThane ke bAda jaba utaratA hai taba ulTI hotI hai, cakkara Ate haiM aura sabakucha ghUmatA huA dikhAI detA hai| taba hama se kyA kahatA hai, 'are! yaha saba ghUma rahA hai, yaha saba ghUma rahA hai'| taba hameM use pakar3a lenA par3atA hai| yaha sabakucha ghUma rahA hai' kahatA hai, vahI bhrAMti hai| usake bAda patA calatA hai ki pahale to maiM acchA thA lekina yaha jo ghUmatA huA dikhAI de rahA hai, vaha maiM nahIM ghUma rahA hU~, bhrAMti ke bAre meM utanA bhAna hotA hai| lekina ina sabhI ko to aisA hI lagatA hai ki 'maiM hI kara rahA hU~' arthAt bhrAMti hai, vaha bhI patA nahIM hai| hindustAna meM abhI taka aise loga haiM jinheM bhrAMti ke bAre meM patA hai| praznakartA : isa jagat meM mAnyatAoM kI vajaha se hI ye sArI takarAreM haiM na? dvaMdva khar3e ho gae haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, sirpha bilIpha hI bigar3I hai| usI se saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| pUrA saMsAra bilIpha bigar3ane se hI khar3A hai| aba do vastuoM ko sAtha meM rakhane se vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA, usake bAda bilIpha bigdd'ii| jaise ki jaba cir3iyA coMca mAratI hai na, usa samaya ahaMkAra kAma karatA hai| coMca mArane vAlA vaha khuda hI hai aura vaha coMca kise mAratA hai? vaha aisA mAnatA hai ki yaha vastu mujhase alaga hai| arthAt usakI bilIpha badalI huI hai| praznakartA : yaha bilIpha banane se pahale kyA use bahuta sI prakriyAoM meM se gujaranA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~! vaha to, prakriyA hone ke bAda hI bilIpha badalatI hai na! bilIpha baMdhatI (banatI) hai| prakriyA to sabhI meM aMdara rahasyamaya (gupta) rUpa se rahatI hI hai| prakriyA to bIca meM rahatI hI hai lekina kyA baMdhatA hai, vaha hameM jAnanA caahie| arthAt mUla meM abhI apanA bAkI kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai sirpha

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha apanI bilIpha hI bigaDI hai| agara sirpha bilIpha rAiTa ho jAe to saba rAiTa ho jAegA, bAkI kucha bhI nahIM hai| roMga bilIpha baiThI hai, hameM aisA anubhava to hotA hai na ki aise duHkha kyoM mila rahe haiM? yadi usa roMga bilIpha ko nikAla deM to phira rAiTa bilIpha hai hii| anya kucha bigar3A hI nahIM hai| 'AtmA' vaise kA vaisA hI hai aura vahI bhagavAna mahAvIra haiM aura vahI tIrthaMkara haiM, jo kaho vaha, vahI hai| bilIpha meM badalAva hotA hai, bAkI dravya yAnI vastu meM badalAva nahIM hotaa| koI brAhmaNa ho, use adaMra bilIpha baiTha jAe ki mA~sa khAne meM harja nahIM hai to usakA brAhmaNapana calA nahIM gayA hai lekina usakI sirpha bilIpha badala gaI hai| yadi jJAna badala gayA hotA na, to vApasa ThikAne para nahIM aataa| bilIpha badalI hai isalie phira se mUla sthAna prApta kara letA hai, varnA mUla sthAna prApta nahIM kara paataa| aisA hai na, mUlataH asala AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM huA hai| yaha to logoM ne ajJAna kA pradAna kiyA, isalie sabhI saMskAra khar3e ho gae haiN| janma lete hI loga 'use' 'caMda, caMdU' kahate haiN| aba usa bacce ko to patA hI nahIM ki ye kyA kara rahe haiM? lekina loga use saMskAra dete rahate haiN| phira 'vaha' mAna baiThatA hai ki 'maiM caMdU huuN'| bAda meM jaba bar3A hotA hai taba kahatA hai 'ye mere mAmA haiM aura ye mere cAcA haiN'| isa prakAra se yaha sArA ajJAna pradAna kiyA jAtA hai| usase bhrAMti khar3I ho jAtI hai| isameM hotA kyA hai ki AtmA kI eka zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai, darzana nAma kI zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai| usa darzana nAma kI zakti ke AvRta hone se yaha saba ho gayA hai| vaha darzana jaba phira se ThIka ho jAegA, samyak ho jAegA, taba vApasa 'khuda' apane 'mUla svarUpa' meM baiTha jaaegaa| yaha darzana mithyA ho gayA hai aura isIlie vaha aisA mAna baiThA hai ki bhautika meM hI sukha hai| agara darzana ThIka ho jAegA to yaha bhautika sukha kI mAnyatA bhI khatma ho jaaegii| bAkI kucha bahuta jyAdA bigar3A hI nahIM hai| dRSTi hI bigar3I hai| usa dRSTi ko hama badala dete haiN|

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) pahalA milana paramAtmA se AtmA aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) paramANuoM ke sAmIpya bhAva se 'vizeSa pariNAma' utpanna huA, usase ahaMkAra utpanna huaa| jo mUla svAbhAvika pudgala thA, vaha nahIM rhaa| praznakartA : isa taraha se igoiz2ama kI utpatti huI hai? dAdAzrI : usameM se hI igoiz2ama kI utpatti huI hai| isase kahIM AtmA badalA nahIM hai| AtmA vahI kA vahI rahA hai| vastu khuda ke svabhAva meM hI hai| praznakartA : deha ke bAre meM samajha meM A gayA lekina yaha jagat banA, usameM kauna sA jar3a hai aura kauna sA cetana? dAdAzrI : cetana yahI kA yahI hai, abhI jo hai vhii| jar3a yaha nahIM hai| abhI jo jar3a hai na, vaha to vikRta jar3a hai| vikRta arthAt mUla jo honA cAhie, vaha nahIM hai| mUla jar3a aNu-paramANu ke rUpa meM hai| una paramANuoM ke ikaTThA hone para aNu banate haiN| aNuoM ke ikaTThA hone para skaMdha banate haiM lekina vaha zuddha jar3a kahalAtA hai jabaki yaha vikRta kahalAtA hai| isameM se khUna nikalatA hai, pIpa nikalatA hai, durgaMdha AtI hai| usameM pIpa-vIpa, khUna-vUna kucha bhI nahIM nikltaa| aba isa prakAra ye do, AtmA to yahI kA yahI, jo riyala hai, vaha hai aura jar3a paramANu, donoM ke milane se vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai| donoM hI vastue~ khuda ke guNadharmoM ko nahIM chodd'tii| jo vizeSa guNa utpanna hote haiM, unheM vyatireka guNa kahA jAtA hai| ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna hote haiM aura tabhI se ahaMkAra kI zuruAta hotI hai, biginiMga hotI hai| aba, AtmA kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai isake bAvajUda sirpha eka vibhAva utpanna ho gayA hai| khuda kA svabhAva yAnI ki khuda ke jo bhAva haiM, aura vibhAva ko bahirbhAva kahA jAtA hai| bahirbhAva yAnI ki sirpha yoM dRSTi karane se hI ye mUrtiyA~ bana gaI haiN| dRSTi aise karane se hI, aura

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha 11 kacha bhI nahIM kiyA hai| yadi kiyA hotA to vaha jokhimadAra bana jaataa| lekina vaha akriya svabhAva vAlA hai| vibhAva ke bAda meM vyatireka praznakartA : pahale vizeSa bhAva kie haiM, usI se phira ye krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha hote rahate haiM yA apane Apa hI? yAnI ki kisa taraha se utpanna hote haiM? dAdAzrI : AtmA aura pudgala, ye donoM vastue~ ikaTThI huI tabhI se apane Apa hI aise bhAva utpanna hote rahate haiM, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote rahate haiM aura usameM se phira paraMparA zurU ho jAtI hai| usake bAda phira bIja DAlatA hai aura vApasa usameM se phala AtA hai| usa phala meM se vApasa bIja DAlatA hai aura bIja meM se vApasa phala AtA hai, phira aisA calatA hI rahatA hai| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha AtmA ke vyatireka guNa haiM, ve khuda ke nahIM haiN| anya koI hai isalie ye utpanna hote haiN| ye jar3a ke bhI nahIM haiM aura cetana ke bhI nahIM haiM, vyatireka guNa haiM aura jJAna, darzana, zakti , AnaMda aura akriyatA, ye sabhI AtmA ke anvaya guNa haiN| svAbhAvika aura vibhAvika pudgala praznakartA : eka satsaMga meM aisI bAta huI thI ki 'vizeSa bhAva se kyA huA?' to vaha yaha ki 'mikenikala cetana bana gayA, pudgala bana gayA, pUraNa-galana (cArja honA, bharanA - DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) vaalaa| jaba taka apanA vaha svarUpa hai taba taka mukta nahIM huA jA sktaa'| to kyA isameM mikenikala cetana, pudgala aura pUraNa-galana, ye tInoM cIjeM vizeSa bhAva ke bAda meM utpanna huI haiM ? dAdAzrI : tInoM eka hI haiN| sabhI mikenikala hai| pudgala kA artha hI mikenikala hai| mikenikala kA artha kyA hai? jo apane Apa hI calatA rahe, caMcala hI rahe, use kahate haiM mikenikl| niraMtara caMcala rahe, use kahate haiM pudgl|

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : lekina mUla svarUpa meM pudgala vizrasA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, mUla svarUpa meM vizrasA hai| praznakartA : to kyA isa tarapha AtmA meM vizeSa bhAva hone se, usameM yaha pudgala utpanna ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva aham bhAva hai aura pudgala kA vizeSa bhAva pUraNa-galana hai| aham calA jAe to pUraNa-galana calA jaaegaa| mUla zuddha paramANu bane, vaha bhI unakA svAbhAvika pUraNa-galana kA svabhAva hai| praznakartA : arthAt khuda kA jo ahamkAra hai, jaba vaha vilaya ho jAtA hai taba phira jar3a se jo pudgala banA hai, usa pudgala ke baMdha kI bhI nirjarA (Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) hotI jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : yaha vizeSa bhAva jitanA kama hotA jAtA hai utanA hI pudgala kama hotA jAtA hai, pUrA hI kama ho jAtA hai| ahaMkAra kama ho jAe aura vilaya ho jAe to bAkI sabhI vilaya hone lagate haiN| mukhyataH pahale AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai aura usake bAda pudgala kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : arthAt isakA artha aisA huA ki jo zuddha paramANu haiM, ve vizrasA rUpI haiM, unameM aisA pudgala nahIM hai, pUraNa-galana nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : unameM aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai na! phira bhI vaha svabhAva se hI kriyAkArI hai| praznakartA : arthAt sakriya hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, sakriya hai lekina use pUraNa-galana hI kahate haiN| pudgala to kise kahA jAtA hai? mizracetana ko hI pudgala kahA jAtA hai| bAkI sabhI ko pudgala nahIM kahA jaataa| bAkI saba to pUraNa-galana kahalAtA praznakartA : to kyA phira paramANu aura pudgala, ina donoM meM pharka hai?

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha dAdAzrI : hA~, paramANu aura pudgala meM pharka hai / eka to zuddha pudgala hai aura dUsarA, vizeSa bhAvI pudgala hai| zuddha pudgala paramANuoM ke rUpa meM hai, phira bhI ve paramANu svabhAva se kriyAkArI haiM / isakA matalaba yaha hai ki mAna lo yahA~ para agara barpha gira rahI ho to usameM se bar3A mahAvIra ke putale jaisA bana gayA / vaha vApasa pighala jAtA hai arthAt pUraNa (cArja honA, bharanA) hotA hai aura phira galana ( DiscArja honA, khAlI honA) hotA hai| vaha zuddha pudgala kahalAtA hai / aura dUsarA, AtmA aura pudgala ke paramANuoM ke milane se utpanna huA hai, vaha vizeSa bhAvI pudgala hai, usameM rakta, haDDI, mA~sa vagairaha sabhI vizeSa bhAvI pudgala haiN| praznakartA : isameM mana-vacana-kAyA sabakucha A jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, mana-vacana-kAyA aura bAkI saba mAyA-vAyA sabakucha A jAtA hai| ahaMkAra ke alAvA bAkI kA sabakucha pudgala ke vizeSa bhAva haiN| ahaMkAra gayA ki sabakucha gayA yAnI ki mUlataH sabakucha ahaMkAra para AdhArita hai / 13 AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAma meM ahaMkAra utpanna huA aura pudgala ke vizeSa pariNAma meM, jo mUla svAbhAvika pudgala thA na, vaha nahIM rhaa| praznakartA : svAbhAvika pudgala kaisA thA ? dAdAzrI : svAbhAvika pudgala sadA zuddha hotA hai / usameM rakta, pIpa, gaMdagI vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM hotA / hai I praznakartA : svAbhAvika pudgala kA astitva kisase banA hai ? dAdAzrI : mUlataH vaha to hai hI, svabhAva se astitva vAlA hI ahaMkAra ciMtana karatA hai aura pudgala letA hai rUpa... vizrasA zuddha paramANu hI haiM aura paramANu svarUpa kahalAte haiN| lekina unakA svabhAva, paudgalika svabhAva hai, kriyAkArI svabhAva hai, pUraNa - galana

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14 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) svabhAva hai isalie isake do aNu ikaTThe hue, tIna aNu ikaTThe hue phira saba jaoNinTa ho jAte haiN| vaha bar3A (putale jaisA) bana jAtA hai| phira vApasa bikharane lagatA hai| milate haiM aura bar3A putalA bana jAtA hai, phira TAima Ane para vApasa alaga bhI hone lagate haiM, pUraNa-galana, puurnn-gln| arthAt jisameM rakta, pIpa vagairaha nahIM nikalatA, vaha pUraNa-galana hai, to vaha sArA svAbhAvika pUraNa-galana hai| vaha jo zuddha hai, vaha vizrasA hai| aura yaha jo hai vaha, kauna sA kahate haiM use hama? praznakartA : mizrasA? dAdAzrI : mizrasA aura pryogsaa| yAnI ve donoM milakara, donoM jaoNinTa hue, usase aham banA, isalie yahA~ para prayogasA utpanna ho jAtA hai| prayogasA arthAt paramANu yoM jaoNinTa rUpa meM nahIM hote| phira jaba mizrasA hote haiM taba jaoNinTa ho jAte haiN| prayogasA (kA artha) to hai paramANuoM ke ikaTThe hone kI sArI taiyaariyaaN| usake bAda mizrasA hote haiN| jo mizrasA hue, ve ina manuSyoM kI, sabhI jIvoM kI baoNDI aura phira vizrasA, phira vApasa khatma hone lagate haiM, rasa bhoga lie jAne ke baad| ahaMkAra rasa bhogatA hai| phira yaha (pudgala) badalatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra jaisA-jaisA rasa bhogatA hai kyA vaisA-vaisA badalAva hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, bdlaav| vaha ahaMkAra jaisA ciMtana karatA hai na, vaisA hI yahA~ pudgala bana jAtA hai| khuda ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotaa| ciMtana karate hI yaha bana jAtA hai, itanA kriyAkArI hai yh| pudgala svabhAva se hI kriyAkArI hai aura aise meM jaba donoM kanekzana meM Ae to donoM meM hI vizeSa pariNAma hue| aba vizeSa pariNAma baMda kaise hoMge? to vaha isa taraha se ki yadi ahaMkAra khatma ho jAegA to AtmA kA vizeSa pariNAma khatma ho jAegA taba phira pudgala kA vizeSa pariNAma apane Apa hI khatma ho jaaegaa| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai taba taka pudgala kA vizeSa pariNAma, arthAt ahaMkAra jaisA ciMtana karatA hai, pudgala vaisA hI bana

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(1.1) vibhAva kI vaijJAnika samajha jAtA hai| isalie yadi khuda ke svarUpa kA hI ciMtana huA, pudgala kA ciMtana chUTa gayA, to sabakucha chUTa jaaegaa| praznakartA : arthAt ahaMkAra pudgala kA ciMtana karatA hai isalie pudgala rUpI bana jAtA hai| ahaMkAra yadi svabhAva kA, khuda ke AtmA kA... dAdAzrI : svabhAva ke ciMtana ko ahaMkAra nahIM mAnA jaataa| jaba taka ahaMkAra rahatA hai na, taba taka vaha hamezA pudgala kA hI ciMtana kiyA karatA hai| koI-koI ahaMkAra aisA hotA hai, zuddha ahaMkAra, vaha khuda kA hI ciMtana karatA rahatA hai, svAbhAvika rUpa se| isalie phira svabhAvamaya bana jAtA hai| jaba se khuda ke svabhAva ko pahacAna liyA, taba se phira ahaMkAra rahatA hI nahIM hai| vyatireka meM mukhya, aham praznakartA : to aisA nahIM hai ki vyatireka guNoM meM aham bhAva utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aham bhAva khuda hI vyatireka guNa (mUla pharsTa levala kA) hai| jaba taka do vastuoM kA sAmIpya bhAva hai aura aham bhAva khar3A hai taba taka sabhI vyatireka guNa rahate haiN| mUla aham bhAva hI vyatireka guNoM kA mukhya staMbha hai| vaha nahIM hogA to kucha bhI nahIM hai| sabhI vyatireka bhAga jAe~ge, becAre! praznakartA : jise hama roMga bilIpha kahate haiM, vaha aura aham kyA eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra hI hai na! roMga bilIpha, vahI ahaMkAra hai aura rAiTa bilIpha, vaha zuddhAtmA hai| praznakartA : ye kaSAya kauna se guNa ke paryAya haiM ? dAdAzrI : pudgala paryAya haiN|

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16 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : hama jo bhAva karate haiM, kyA vaha pudgala kA pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo bhAva (vizeSa bhAva) hai, vaha cetana kI ajJAnatA hai aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha pudgala paryAya haiN| jaba taka ajJAna hai taba taka vaha bhAva karatA hai| ajJAna jAe to bhAva hI nahIM kregaa| praznakartA : jJAnI bhAva nahIM karate? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhAva nhiiN| usake bAda phira svAbhAvika bhaav| tere vizeSa bhAva se yaha jagat khar3A ho gayA hai| svAbhAvika bhAva arthAt terA mokss| mUla AtmA to kabhI AropaNa nahIM krtaa| ajJAna se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho gae haiN| praznakartA : to kyA AtmA khuda aisA karatA hai? AtmA aisA AropaNa karatA hai? dAdAzrI : mUla AtmA to AropaNa nahIM krtaa| yaha to mUla AtmA kA jo eka darzana nAma kA guNa hai, vaha ina saMyogoM ke dabAva kI vajaha se darzana vizeSa bhAva meM A jAtA hai aura vizeSa bhAva meM Ane ke kAraNa aisA saba ho gayA hai| svAbhAvika bhAva meM Ae to harja nahIM hai lekina vizeSa bhAva meM A jAtA hai|

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[2] krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, kisake guNa? ve haiM vyatireka guNa Apako kucha samAdhAna ho rahA hai yA yoM hI? ulajhana ho rahI ho to phira se puuchnaa| aisA nahIM hai ki ruka jAne kI z2arUrata hai| ApameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM yA nahIM? praznakartA : haiM hI na! dAdAzrI : ve Apake khuda ke guNa haiM yA jar3a ke? cetana ke guNa haiM yA jar3a ke? aba sabhI sAdhu-sanyAsI aisA jAnate haiM ki jar3a meM nahIM haiM, krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha cetana ke bagaira ho nahIM sakate, vaha saba ulajhA huA hai| ulajhana, ulajhana! hama kaheM, 'cetana ke guNa haiM yA jar3a ke?' to kahate haiM, 'cetana ke'| sApha-sApha kaha dete haiN| aba, ye guNa cetana ke nahIM haiM, becAre ke| aba, ulTe guNa mAnane se kyA hogA? AtmA kabhI bhI prApta nahIM ho skegaa| to bar3e-bar3e paMDita vagairaha kahate haiM ki krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha to cetana kA hI dharma hai| maiMne kahA, 'zAMti ho gaI aba! taba to ve vahA~ siddhagati meM bhI sAtha meM Ate ArAma se| aba, vaha cetana kA dharma nahIM hai'| to pUchate haiM, 'jar3a kA dharma hai?' taba maiMne kahA, 'nahIM, jar3a kA bhI nahIM hai, bhaaii'| taba pUchate haiM, 'to kyA vaha Upara se A girA?' taba maiMne kahA, 'hA~! vaha, Upara se A girA ho, vaisA hI hai| ise pUrA samajho, vijJAna hai yaha to' aura vijJAna ke sivA cAhe kaisI bhI mAthApaccI kareM

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga - 1) aura yoga- voga sabakucha kareM lekina kabhI bhI AtmA prApta nahIM kiyA jA sktaa| yaha pUrA sAinsa alaga hai / vijJAna kyA hai, vaha logoM ko patA nahIM hai| 18 praznakartA: krodha udbhava meM Ae to vaha kisakA guNa hai ? dAdAzrI : krodha pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kA anvaya guNa nahIM hai, AtmA kA anvaya guNa nahIM hai, vaha vyatireka guNa (vizeSa guNa) hai aura agara donoM ko alaga kara deMge to vyatireka guNa baMda ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : Apa vistAra se samajhAie / dAdAzrI : vastu ke jitane bhI guNadharma hote haiM, ve sabhI hamezA usake aMdara hI rahate haiN| krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha yadi AtmA ke guNa hote to hamezA ke lie AtmA meM rahane caahie| yadi pudgala ke guNa haiM to hamezA ke lie pudgala meM rahane caahie| ve jar3a ke guNa nahIM haiM aura na hI cetana ke guNa haiN| do vastuoM ko sAtha meM rakhane se ve vizeSa guNa utpanna ho gae haiN| phira bhI zAstrakAroM ne ise alaga nAma diyA hai| zAstrakAroM ne inheM vyatireka guNa kahA hai| vyatireka arthAt anvaya guNa nahIM hai / anvaya guNa arthAt khuda ke aise guNa jo chUTeM nahIM / pudgala ke aura AtmA ke guNa anvaya guNa haiM I vyatireka guNa khuda se (AtmA se) cipaka par3ate haiM, yaha kaisA Azcarya hai! khuda ke AtmA ke to anvaya guNa haiM I abhI bhI AtmA to zuddha hI hai, sirpha yaha pudgala vikRta ho gayA hai| praznakartA : yaha vikRta kyoM ho gayA ? dAdAzrI : hA~, hamAre (AtmA) aura isake (jar3a), donoM ke milane se hama meM vaha vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gayA / vyatireka guNa utpanna hone se pudgala vikRta hone lagA / vyatireka guNa vAlA aMdara bhAva karatA hI

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(1.2) krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, kisake guNa? hai| AtmA bhAva nahIM krtaa| ahaMkAra hI bhAva karatA hai ki mujhe ise mAranA hai isalie use sAre pudgala vaise hI milate haiN| usane mArane kA bhAva kiyA na, isalie use agale janma meM kisI ko mAranA hI par3atA hai aura usake bAda usakA riekzana AtA hai, taba phira vaha ise mAratA hai| saMsAra calatA hI rahegA, aisA karate-karate... isameM bhUla kisakI hai? bhugate uskii| kyA bhUla hai ? to vaha yaha ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', terI vaha mAnyatA terI bhUla hai kyoMki koI doSita hai hI nahIM isalie yaha sAbita ho jAtA hai ki koI gunahagAra nahIM hai| gunahagAra nahIM hai isalie koI gunAha karatA hI nahIM hai aisA sAbita ho jAtA hai na? taba pUchate haiM ki 'kyA hai isake pIche ?' to vaha yaha hai ki yadi cetana gunAha karegA to parezAnI hogii| cetana to gunAha karatA nahIM hai| cetana, cetana bhAva hI karatA hai aura usameM se pudgala bana jAtA hai| yaha pudgala banatA hai usameM se hI yaha sArI jhaMjhaTa ho gaI haiN| lekina vaha bhI daHkhadAyI nahIM hai| vaha to sirpha saMgrahasthAna meM jAne ke samAna hai| Amane-sAmane milana hotA hai, aisA hotA hai| maiM yaha hU~, vahI duHkhadAyI hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vahI duHkhadAyI hai, vaha mAnyatA haTI ki khtm| koI gunahagAra jaisA hai hI nahIM jagat meN| yadi koI gunahagAra dikhAI detA hai to, vaha to Apake sAtha jo krodha-mAna-mAyA-lAbha, jo vyatireka guNa haiM na, ve dikhAte haiN| khuda kI dRSTi se gunahagAra nahIM dekhtaa| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha dikhAte haiN| jise krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM haiM, use koI dikhAne vAlA hai hI nahIM aura dikhAI bhI nahIM detaa| vAstava meM aisA hai hI nhiiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ghusa gae haiM aura 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA mAnane se ghusa gae haiN| vaha 'caMdUbhAI' vAlI mAnyatA TUTa gaI to cale jaaeNge| ghara khAlI karane meM z2arA dera lagegI, bahuta dinoM se ghuse hue haiM na? praznakartA : cetana, cetana bhAva karatA hai, usase yaha pudgala utpanna hotA hai yA phira cetana ke vibhAva karane se pudgala utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : cetana, cetana bhAva hI karatA hai| cetana meM svabhAva aura

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) vizeSa bhAva donoM hI haiN| vizeSa bhAva se yaha (pudgala) utpanna hotA hai| khuda jAna-bUjhakara vizeSa bhAva nahIM karatA hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa, saMyogoM kI vajaha se aisA hotA hai| sirpha vizeSa bhAva karane se pudgala utpanna hotA hai| gunAha kisI kA hai hI nhiiN| 'maiM yaha hU~' arthAt 'maiM pudgala hU~' aisA bhAna honA, vahI duHkhadAyI hai| anya kucha bhI duHkhadAyI nahIM hai| cetana, cetana bhAva karatA hai| pudgala, pudgala bhAva karatA hai| donoM unake bhAva hI haiN| praznakartA : cetana, cetana bhAva karatA rahatA hai aura usameM se pudgala utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, pudgala usake prabhAva se utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : cetana ke? to yaha zabda galata hai| 'usameM se' nahIM, 'usse'| dAdAzrI : hA~, cetana bhAva karatA hai aura jaisA bhAva karatA hai usI rUpa hotA jAtA hai| strI bhAva karatA hai to strI rUpI banatA jAtA hai| puruSa bhAva kare to puruSa rUpI banatA jAtA hai| aba yoM vaha strI bhAva nahIM karatA hai lekina yadi kapaTa aura moha bahuta karatA hai to phira strI bhAva ke paramANu utpanna ho jAte haiN| 'usameM se' aura 'usase' donoM eka jaisA hI mAnA jAegA, Azaya to itanA hI hai ki mukhya bAta kA eka-eka zabda samajha meM A jaae| khuda ko ekz2ekTanesa meM nahIM dikha sakatA vh| jisane vaha dekhA ho vahI dekha sakatA hai aura vaha aisA nahIM hai ki zabdoM se batAyA jA ske| jitanA jisa prakAra se samajhAyA jA sake usa prakAra se samajhAte haiM, zabdoM se lekina ekjekTanesa nahIM dI jA sktii| bhrAMti kahatA hai, vaha bhI bhrAMti aba vizeSa guNa meM kauna-kauna se guNa hue, ki maiM, ahaMkAra,

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(1.2) krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, kisake guNa? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, rAga-dveSa vagairaha vizeSa guNa utpanna hue haiN| bAkI, AtmA kA mUla svabhAva vItarAga hai| jar3a ko rAga-dveSa haiM hI nahIM, vaha bhI vItarAga hI hai| to ye rAga-dveSa kahA~ se utpanna hue? to kahate haiM, 'vizeSa guNa utpanna hone se'| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha guru-laghu svabhAva vAle haiN| AtmA aguru-laghu svabhAva vAlA hai| jar3a bhI aguru-laghu svabhAva vAlA hai| donoM ke guNadharmoM meM pharka hai na! AtmA kabhI bhI khuda ke guNadharmoM meM se bAhara nahIM nikalA hai| vaha khuda ke guNadharmoM meM hI rahatA hai, usake svAbhAvika guNa haiN| jisa prakAra sTenalesa sTIla para jaMga nahIM lagatA, barasAta, kIcar3a kA asara nahIM hotA, usI prakAra kIcar3a (saMsAra rUpI kIcar3a) meM rahane ke bAvajUda bhI hama para jaMga nahIM lgtaa| yaha AtmA vibhAvika (viruddha bhAvI) nahIM huA hai, lekina yaha vizeSa pariNAma hai| yaha kucha bhI nahIM hai, mAtra bhUta cipake haiM aura ve bhI phira muddata vAle haiN| jisakI muddata pUrI hone ko AI ho use maiM chur3avA detA huuN| kucha TAima kama-jyAdA kara dete haiN| lekina agara phaoNrenarsa kaheM to unheM nahIM chur3avAyA jA sktaa| isIlie yaha paz2ala kahalAtA hai na! aura vaha kisa prakAra se paz2ala bana gayA hai, vaha maiM dekhakara batA rahA huuN| yaha gappa nahIM hai, ekjekTa hai, jaisA hai vaisaa| yaha bhrAMti bhI nahIM hai| yaha to, logoM ne ise bhrAMti kA nAma de diyA hai| kucha bhI samajha meM nahIM AyA taba bhrAMti kaha diyaa| kahane meM pharka hai, jJAnI-ajJAnI ke ina vizeSa guNoM ko vyatireka guNa kahA jAtA hai| jo ki isa jar3a meM bhI nahIM haiM aura isa cetana meM bhI nahIM haiN| phira jo apanA mAne usI kaa| 'yaha mujhe ho rahA hai', mAlikI mAne uskaa| praznakartA : yaha vyatireka guNa AtmA kA nahIM hai aura na hI pudgala kA hai, to phira ye donoM, AtmA aura pudgala sAtha meM haiM to taba taka yaha kisa para lAgU hotA hai? yaha vyatireka guNa kisakA kahA jAegA?

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22 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : oho! to taba taka hameM kisakA kahanA hai? hA~, to taba taka agara kahanA ho to Akhira meM ise pudgala kA hI kahanA pdd'egaa| hA~, lekina vaha kauna kaha sakatA hai ? sabhI loga nahIM kaha skte| ajJAnI ko to aisA hI kahanA par3egA ki 'yaha merA hI guNa hai| sirpha jJAnI hI aisA kaha sakate haiM ki 'yaha pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kA guNa hai| merA nahIM hai| praznakartA : arthAt 'maiM krodhI hU~, maiM lobhI hU~' aisA kahanA par3egA? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'maiM hI lobhI hU~ aura maiM hI krodhI hU~' aisA kahanA par3egA jabaki jJAnI kahate haiM ki 'yaha pudgala kA svabhAva hai'| donoM ke guNadharma alaga haiN| jJAnI unase mukta ho cuke haiM, usa mAnyatA se, roMga bilIpha se| jabaki ajJAnI kI roMga bilIpha nahIM gaI hai| 'maiM caMdabhAI' iz2a da pharsTa roMga biliiph| 'maiM vakIla hU~' sekanDa roMga biliiph| isakA bhAI hU~, isakA cAcA hU~, isakA phUphA hU~', vagairaha kitanI sArI roMga bilIpheM baiThI huI haiM! yaha jagat isa vijJAna se khar3A ho gayA hai| jaisA kRSNa bhagavAna ne kahA hai usa prakAra se! yaha to naimittika ho gayA hai| yaha to AtmA kA vizeSa svarUpa hai, mUla svarUpa nahIM hai yh| vaha vizeSa svarUpa to isa vijJAna se utpanna ho gayA hai| jaba vaha samajha meM A jAegA taba usameM khuda meM khuda kI zakti prakaTa ho jAegI aura phira vaha vizeSa bhAva calA jaaegaa| isa 'maiM' ko apane vizeSa bhAva aura svabhAva donoM hI dhyAna meM haiM isalie phira khuda ke svarUpa kA anubhava ho jAtA hai|

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[3] vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva ? paribhASA vibhAva kI praznakartA : ye kaSAya kyA vibhAva ke kAraNa utpanna hote haiM ? kyA svarUpa meM nahIM rahate haiM aura svarUpa meM se cyuta hone para ve sabhI vibhAva bhAva, kaSAya ke bhAva utpanna hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : vibhAva bhAva kisake haiM ? vibhAva kA matalaba kyA hai ? praznakartA : svabhAva se viparIta jAnA / I dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha to, logoM ne isakA aisA artha nikAlA hai vibhAva kA artha, 'svabhAva se viparIta jaanaa'| use yadi Adata yA burI Adata par3a jAe na, taba to mokSa meM bhI baiThe nahIM raha sakegA / vahA~ se vApasa daur3akara yahA~ A jaaegaa| vibhAva kA artha yaha nahIM hai / yadi AtmA vibhAvI hotA na, taba to kabhI bhI koI AtmA vahA~ para mokSa meM rahatA hI nhiiN| aisI choTI-choTI bhUleM to itanI sArI huI haiM ki pUrA jagat unameM tapakara mara gayA hai ! vibhAva ko samajhanA cAhie yA nahIM ? praznakartA : zAstra kahate haiM ki 'AtmA ne vibhAva kiyA hai'| dAdAzrI : 'vibhAva kiyA, isase Apa kyA samajhe ? praznakartA : aisA samajhate haiM ki usane vibhAva kI vaha bhAvanA kii| dAdAzrI : aba yadi AtmA vibhAva kI bhAvanA karane lage taba to vaha usakA khuda kA svabhAva ho gayA /

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24 AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1) praznakartA : to phira vibhAva kisa taraha se huA ? I dAdAzrI : vibhAva kA rAstA maiM Apako batAtA hU~ / lekina isa taraha se yaha jo vibhAva kA artha calA hai, use viruddha bhAva samajha liyA hai ki 'jo karanA hai usase ulTA hI kara rahe haiM ye / yaha viruddha bhAva hameM nikAlanA hI pdd'egaa'| lekina yaha (vibhAva) viruddha bhAva nahIM hai, yaha vizeSa bhAva hai| viruddha bhAva hotA to nikAlanA par3atA / yadi svabhAva ke viruddha jAe taba to vaha usakA svabhAva ho gayA, viruddha bhAva ho jAe taba to vaha hamezA kA guNa ho gayA, taba to mokSa meM bhI vaha usake sAtha hI jaaegaa| ataH jise viruddha bhAva samajhe haiM na, vaha bilkula hI galata hai, sau pratizata / AtmA meM vibhAva karane kI zakti hai hI nahIM / AtmA svAbhAvika hI hai aura svabhAva ke viruddha jAtA hI nahIM hai kabhI bhI / Apako khuda ko samajha meM Ae to batAnA, 'hA~' khnaa| praznakartA : jaba AtmA ke pudgala ke sAtha vAle saMyoga mile tabhI yaha vibhAva utpanna huA na ? dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva huaa| praznakartA: hA~, vaha jo vizeSa bhAva huA, use svabhAva nahIM mAnA jaaegaa| ataH vaha vibhAva, vaha AtmA kA hI pariNAma hai na ? dAdAzrI : merI bAta suno na ! yadi AtmA kA pariNAma kaheMge taba to phira agara hama kisI ko binA bAta ke kucha kaheM to kitanA bar3A doSa lagegA ? praznakartA: AtmA ke svabhAva meM nahIM hai lekina AtmA hI pariNAma meM pariNAmita hotA hai isIlie jakar3A huA hai na ? I dAdAzrI : nahIM, usI ko samajhanA hai / merA kahanA yaha hai ki yadi use AtmA kA pariNAma kahoge to bhayaMkara doSa lagegA / yadi pudgala kA kahoge to pudgala kA hai nhiiN| to phira kyA hai vaha ? pudgala kahatA hai, 'mere nahIM haiM ye gunndhrm'| AtmA kahatA hai, 'mere nahIM haiM ye'| jabaki dharmoM meM apane sAdhu-AcArya kyA kahate haiM ? 'ye vibhAva, ve AtmA ke guNadharma

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? haiN'| aisA mAnane se to mahAna doSa lagatA hai, bhayaMkara aMtarAya A jAte haiN| usameM aisA guNa nahIM hai| kyA merA AtmA pApI hai? loga to aisA kahate haiM, 'AtmA aisA vibhAvika ho gayA hai isalie aba ise sIdhA kro'| are, sIdhA karane vAlA kauna hai ? vibhAva ho gayA hai aisA kahane vAlA kauna hai? kahane vAlA kauna hai? aura merA AtmA pApI hai, aisA kahane vAlA vaha kauna hai ? usakA pRthakkaraNa kro| bolane vAlA kauna hai? vaha khuda, jo pApI nahIM hai vahI aisA kaha sakatA hai na? kauna kahatA hai? 'merA AtmA pApI hai lekina maiM pApI nahIM hU~', kahatA hai| vakIla to aisA hI pUchegA na ki 'to phira Apa?' taba kahatA hai, 'merA AtmA pApI hai, maiM nhiiN'| lo, usakA artha yahI huaa| ye vakIla aisA DhU~Dha nikAlate haiM ! taba kahatA hai, 'haaN'| aba AtmA ko pApI taka le gae haiM log| usase kyA phAyadA huA? kucha dharmoM meM aisA kyoM kahate haiM ? praznakartA : unheM abhI taka mithyAtva bhAna hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, koI bhAna hI nahIM hai| mithyAtva bhAna hotA taba bhI bahuta acchA thaa| to bhI patA cala jAtA ki AtmA kisa taraha se pApI ho sakatA hai? pApI to maiM hU~, hama AtmA ko kaise kaha sakate haiM? jise mithyAtva bhAna hogA vaha aisA kahegA na, 'pApI to maiM hU~, AtmA kyoM?' aba vaha bhUla kisa vajaha se ho gaI hai ? pahale sadaguruoM ne kahA thA, bhagavAna ne kahA thA ki 'pratiSThita AtmA pApI hai', aisA khnaa| to vaha 'pratiSThita' gAyaba ho gayA aura 'mUla AtmA' para A gyaa| isIlie to kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki 'sacoDo AtmA ja vosarAvI dIdho' (pUrA AtmA hI arpaNa kara diyaa)| pudgala arpaNa karanA thA, usake bajAya kyA arpaNa kara diyA? AtmA arpaNa kara diyaa| pudgala rahane diyA apane paas| aba kitane hI sAdhu aisA mAna baiThe haiM ki AtmA azuddha ho gayA

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26 AptavANI - 14 (bhAga - 1) hai| are bhAI ! phira tU use zuddha kaise karegA ? jo azuddha ho cukA hai, vaha zuddha kaise ho sakegA ? AtmA kabhI bhI azuddha huA hI nahIM hai, AtmA eka sekanDa ke lie bhI azuddha nahIM huA hai / aura yadi huA hotA to koI use zuddha kara hI nahIM sakatA thA isa duniyA meM kyoMki vaha svAbhAvika vastu hai, svAbhAvika vastu ko plAsTara - vlAsTara (gaMdagI yA kacarA) kucha bhI chU nahIM sktaa| kucha zAstroM meM aisA likhA hai ki 'AtmA mUrchita ho jAtA hai ' / yadi AtmA mUrchita ho jAe to vaha AtmA hai hI nahIM / aura mUrchita ko kauna ThIka karegA ? kyoMki usase bar3A to koI hai nahIM / praznakartA : isameM AtmA kI preraNA to hai na ? dAdAzrI : yadi preraNA hai taba to AtmA bhikhArI ho gyaa| preraNA dene vAlA vyakti gunahagAra hai / phira usakA chuTakArA hI nahIM ho sakegA, preraNA dene vAle kA / AtmA ne preraNA - preraNA nahIM dI hai / vaha bhagavAna svarUpa hai| kabhI bhI azuddhatA utpanna huI hI nahIM hai| bAkI, yaha saba vijJAna se ho gayA hai / vaha yadi preraNA detA to phira hamezA ke lie usakA svabhAva bana jAtA aura usakI jokhimadArI AtI, preraka kI jokhimadArI hai / ata: yaha preraka bhI, khuda ke karmoM kA phala hI preraka hai aura vaha vyavasthita zakti se hotA hai / ina donoM vastuoM ke sAtha meM hone se tIsarA vizeSa guNa utpanna ho gayA hai aura vahI karma grahaNa karatA rahatA hai / ye donoM apane Apa khuda kI sthiti meM hI rahate haiM / mUla AtmA usI sthiti meM rahatA hai, sirpha vibhAvika pudgala vikArI ho jAtA hai| ataH yaha yadi preraNA hotI to yaha kabhI chUTa hI nahIM sakatA thA / AtmA saMkalpa - vikalpa karatA hI nahIM hai| yadi saMkalpa - vikalpa kare tabhI use preraNA kahate haiM / ataH vaha bhAvakarma karatA hI nahIM hai aura vaha karma ko grahaNa bhI nahIM karatA / yaha saba 'maiM' hI karatA hai / yadi AtmA bhAvakarma karatA to hamezA ke lie vaha usakA svabhAva bana jAtA /

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? 27 praznakartA : to phira yaha bhAvakarma kisakA kAma hai? dAdAzrI : jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, jaise bhI jo bhI cazme (dravyakarma) 'use' prApta hue haiM, unake AdhAra para bhAva hote haiN| praznakartA : AtmA ke AdhAra para nahIM? dAdAzrI : AtmA aisA karegA hI nhiiN| yaha vizeSa bhAva hai, vaha AtmA kA svabhAva bhAva nahIM hai| __ abhI to mAno ki sabhI bhAva ahaMkAra ke hI haiM lekina mUla zuruAta kahA~ se huI thI? vizeSa guNa utpanna hotA hai aura usase bhAva utpanna hote haiM, bhAvakarma zurU ho jAte haiN| AtmA kA khuda kA svabhAva alaga cIz2a hai| yaha vizeSa bhAva donoM kI upasthiti meM huA hai aura yaha hamArI sAinTiphika khoja hai aura caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kI yahI mAnyatA thI lekina yaha badala gayA hai, isalie usakA phala nahIM miltaa| phala nahIM milatA usakA kAraNa yahI hai ki aisI kucha bhUleM calatI A rahI haiM na! praznakartA : jaDa aura cetana ke sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se isa prakAra se hotA hai, aisA kaha rahe haiM Apa? dAdAzrI : hA~, bs| usase vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai| AtmA khuda ke svabhAva meM hai lekina pudgala vikRta ho gayA hai| kyoMki donoM ke vizeSa guNadharmoM ko lekara pudgala vikRta huA hai aura usa vikRti ko lekara yaha uThA-paTaka calatI rahatI hai| ekzana enDa riekzana, ekzana enDa riekzana, cArja aura DiscArja, cArja aura DiscArja calatA hI rahatA ___ yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai aura yaha maiM khuda dekhakara batA rahA hU~ isIlie mukta huA jA sakatA hai, varnA nahIM ho sakate the isa kAla meM mukt| dUSamakAla meM mukta ho pAte hoMge? eka dina bhI ciMtA rahita nahIM biittaa| dUSamakAla meM ArtadhyAna-raudradhyAna baMda nahIM hote| yaha to akrama vijJAna hai isIlie ye chUTa jAte haiN|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 vizeSa bhAva se kyA hotA hai ki ye ATha dravyakarma baMdhate haiM, A~khoM para paTTI hone kI vajaha se / aura ATha dravyakarma hone kI vajaha se vApasa dUsare bhAvakarma utpanna hote haiM / bhAvakarma kauna karavAtA hai ? A~khoM para ye jo paTTiyA~ haiM, ve hI ye bhAvakarma karavAte haiN| 28 praznakartA : ve karma to bAda meM hue, lekina zuruAta meM jaba vizeSa bhAva huA, taba phira ye paTTiyA~ kahA~ se AI ? dAdAzrI : saMyogoM ke dabAva se vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA aura vizeSa bhAva kI vajaha se hI ye paTTiyA~ baMdhIM aura paTTiyA~ baMdhIM isalie ulTA dikhane lagA, usase ulTe bhAva utpanna hue| ve (bhAva) paTTiyoM kI vajaha se haiM, AtmA kI vajaha se nahIM haiM ve / ye jo ATha dravyakarma haiM, jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa... AtmA kI upasthiti se unameM pAvara A gayA hai, AtmA unameM nahIM AyA hai aura vaha pAvara yaha kAma kara rahA hai| aura phira vaha pAvara bhI jar3a / ataH ye sArI jar3a kI kriyAe~ haiM / AtmA kI koI kriyA nahIM hai I praznakartA : sAmIpya bhAva ke kAraNa utpanna hue pAvara kI hI yaha preraNA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, sahI hai / cetana khuda ke anvaya guNoM se baMdhA huA hai, khuda ke sva guNoM se / usameM anya guNa utpanna nahIM hote / sirpha bhAna meM, bilIpha hI badalI hai / 'khuda ko' ('maiM' ko) aisA bhAna hotA hai ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA huuN'| usa bhAna meM jo parivartana hotA hai, vaha kise hotA hai ? pAvara cetana ko (arthAt 'maiM' ko) / aba vaha bhAna TUTegA kaba ? jJAnI puruSa prakRti aura puruSa donoM ko alaga kara deMge, taba vaha bhAna TUTegA, nahIM to bhAna TUTegA hI nahIM na! arthAt yaha pAvara se bharA huA hai / jaise beTarI meM sela hotA hai na, usa sela meM pAvara bharane ke bAda meM vaha phala detA hai, kAma detA hai / nahIM detA? kaba taka? jaba taka bharA huA mAla hai, pUraNa kiyA hai to galana hone taka vaha pAvara phala degaa| galana ho jAne ke bAda meM nikAla denA

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? 29 hai| vaha jo pUraNa ho cukA hai, usI kA galana ho rahA hai| jo galana hai, vaha DiscArja hai aura pUraNa, cArja hai| pUraNa meM se galana hotA hai aura galana meM se 'khuda' ahaMkAra se vApasa pudgala utpanna karatA hai, pUraNa karatA hai isalie TaMkI khatma hI nahIM hotii| khatma hone se pahale hI pAnI DAlatA jAtA hai aura phira kahatA hai ki 'mujhe mukti pAnI hai'| are bhAI! aise milatI hogI? tUne yaha dhaMdhA hI baMdhana kA lagA rakhA hai! ata: yaha cetana samajha meM Ae aisA nahIM hai| hamArA AtmajJAna bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai| kevalajJAna meM aura isameM pharka hI nahIM hai| cAra DigrI kA hI pharka hai| aura yaha AtmajJAna bhI kaisA? anubhava kiyA huA honA caahie| AtmA mukta hI baratanA cAhie, bilkula mukta aura vaha nirAlaMba AtmA honA caahie| aisA AtmA nahIM clegaa| ina sabhI ne to pAvara AtmA (pAvara cetana) kI bAta kI hai| aba use pAvara AtmA kahA taba logoM ko samajha meM AyA, nahIM to yoM hI cetana kaheMge to kaise samajha meM AegA? sela meM jaise pAvara bharA huA hai, usameM beTarI aura pAvara bharane vAlI cIz2e alaga hotI haiM aura sela apanA kAma karatA rahatA hai| ye sela hI haiM, mana-vacana-kAyA tIna sela haiM / jaba taka unameM pAvara bharA huA hai tabhI taka, pAvara khatma hone taka ve sela caleMge aura usake bAda gira jaaeNge| use hama DiscArja kahate haiN| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA par3atA apane Apa hI DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| Apako dekhate hI rahanA hai ki yaha kisa taraha se ho rahA hai, basa itanA hI, aura agara akla lar3Ane jAoge to u~galI jala jaaegii| yaha to bahuta gaharI karAmAta hai, yaha rahasyamaya vijJAna hai pUrA, caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kA sammilita vijJAna hai| varnA eka ghaMTe meM bhedajJAna ho jAe aisA to kabhI huA hI nahIM hai aura vaha bhI saMsAra meM rahate hue| tyAgiyoM ko bhI nahIM hotA thaa| lekina yaha to saMsAra meM rahate hue, bacce pAlatA hai, sabakucha karatA hai, khAtA-pItA hai, mauja karatA hai phira bhI koI parezAnI nahIM AtI kyoMki yaha tIrthaMkaroM kA vijJAna hai, yaha akrama vijJAna hai| isameM to pAvara bharA huA hai, aura kucha hai hI nhiiN| isameM cetana

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga - 1) hai hI nahIM isalie hama ise pAvara nahIM kahate lekina nizcetana cetana kahate haiN| 30 I preraNA Izvara kI nahIM hai, AtmA kI nahIM hai / preraNA karane vAlA hotA to vahI gunahagAra khlaataa| preraka hI saba se bar3A gunahagAra hai, karma usI ko lagate haiM jabaki AtmA to sApha, zuddha svarUpI hai aura vaha aisA nahIM hai ki use karma sparza kara sakeM / 'karma' sthUla cIz2a hai aura 'AtmA' sUkSmatama hai, jise 'maiMne' dekhA hai, anubhava kiyA hai, usI meM baratatA huuN| nirAlaMba AtmA ko dekhA hai / rAgAdi bhAva nahIM haiM AtmA ke praznakartA : 'nizcaya dRSTi se AtmA ke AMtarika rAgAdi bhAva, baMdhana ke kAraNa haiM aura karma baMdhana ko saMsAra kA hetu kahA gayA hai' vaha z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : aba, rAgAdi bhAva AtmA ke khuda ke nahIM haiN| yahA~ z2arA logoM (kI bAta) meM spaSTa rUpa se likhA nahIM gayA hai / rAgAdi bhAva khuda ke nahIM haiM, ve parAI upAdhi ( bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha) kI taraha haiM / upAdhi jaisA hai| jaise kisI vyakti ko upAdhi ho jAe aura isalie vaha upAdhi grasta lagatA hai / vaha upAdhi kI vajaha se hai / upAdhi na ho to kucha hai hI nhiiN| ataH rAgAdi guNa khuda ke guNa nahIM haiM / do vastuoM ke milane se tIsarI cIz2a utpanna ho jAtI hai| alaga hI guNadharma, ye jo rAga-dveSa haiM, ve vyatireka guNa haiM isalie yahA~ para una logoM ke kramika mArga meM yaha sisTama hai aura tabhI unakA calegA, nahIM to calegA nahIM na! jabaki apanA 'akrama' sApha-sApha batAtA hai / praznakartA : aba kyoMki rAga pariNAma khuda ke paryAya meM haiM, isalie AtmA usakA kartA hai / aba kyA yaha rAga pariNAma AtmA kA paryAya hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| hama jo samajhe haiM na, pUrA kramika mArga use jAnatA hI nahIM hai / praznakartA : to bilkula ulTA hI hai ?

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? dAdAzrI : jahA~ AtmA nahIM hai, vahIM para AtmA mAnate haiN| praznakartA : haM! jahA~ para nahIM hai, vahA~ para mAnate haiM isalie aisI muzkila hotI hai| dAdAzrI : vahA~ para bilkula bhI AtmA nahIM hai| 'cetana ke binA cala rahA hai', maiMne kahA na! aisA mAnane meM kaise AegA? praznakartA : maiMne par3hA hai ki pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) aura AtmA avagAhana ke rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura isIlie yaha vibhAvika bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| vAstava meM AtmA kartA nahIM hai aura pudgala bhI kartA nahIM hai', aisA kuMdakuMdAcArya ne kahA hai| vahI, jo Apane sarala bhASA meM kahA, taba phira zAstra isa prakAra se use kartA kaise kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : isameM kisI kI bAta ko galata nahIM kaha rahe haiN| aura phira sApha-sApha aisA likhate haiM ki 'jJAna dazA meM khuda ke svabhAva kA hI kartA hai'| ajJAna dazA meM isakA (vibhAva kA) kartA hai lekina bAta ekAMtika raha gii| isalie kartApana chUTatA nahIM hai aura vaha sAinTiphika bAta samajha meM nahIM AtI hai| dUsare dharmoM meM bhI aisA kahate haiM ki 'bhagavAna kI icchA ke binA yaha nahIM ho sktaa'| ataH bhagavAna ko bhI aMdara lapeTa liyaa| taba phira jJAna kaise hogA unheM? virodhAbhAsa lAte haiN| yaha to, apane akrama vijJAna ne ye sAre bhrama tor3a die haiN| kartApana se racA saMsAra aba ina logoM ne kyA kahA hai ki AtmA kartA hai| are, logoM ne to yahA~ taka kahA hai ki AtmA bhAvakarma kA kartA hai| ataH use bhAvakarma kA kartA ThaharA diyaa| yadi vaha vibhAva kA kartA hotA to vahA~ mokSa meM bhI kartA hI rhtaa| vahA~ para kyoM nahIM rahA? ataH yaha to, jaba jJAnI puruSa Ate haiM taba sArA khulAsA kara dete haiN| "yaha bhAvakarma 'mujhe' ho rahA hai", yahI baMdhana hai| yahI parabhAva hai| parabhAva ko svabhAva mAnatA hai, vahI baMdhana hai| parabhAva kyoM? parasattA

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) ke adhIna hai| zAstroM meM kyA likhA haA hai ? svabhAva se akartA hai| yaha vibhAva se, vizeSa bhAva se kartA hai aura isalie bhoktA hai| aba vaha pUrA yahA~ para (kramika mArga meM) yoM kA yoM raha gayA aura vyavahAra meM hI claa| vyavahAra ko hI AtmA mAna liyA gyaa| praznakartA : usa saMdarbha meM hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| vyavahAra ke saMdarbha meM yadi kartA samajhoge na, taba kAma hogaa| varnA saMdarbha zabda ko bhUla jAtA hai na! aura kAma ho gayA, aisA dikhAI nahIM detA na Apako? isakA kyA kAraNa hai ? mUla meM bahuta bhUleM haiM, kaI bhUleM haiN| yaha to balki dikhAI nahIM detA aura upAdhiyA~ bahuta haiM, behada kaSAya haiN| jahA~ para hamezA kaSAyoM ko poSaNa milatA hai vahA~ para vItarAga dharma nahIM hai| kyA Apako aisA lagatA hai ? bolo aba, lAkha janmoM taka bhI aise svacchaMda vihAra se caleMge to kucha badalegA? khuda ke svacchaMda vihAra haiM, aura logoM se kyA kahate haiM ki 'ye saba loga mUrkha haiN'| phira logoM ko mUrkha kahate haiN| vizeSa bhAva arthAt AtmA yaha saba kevalajJAna se jAna sakatA hai aura dUsarA vizeSa bhAva se bhI jAna sakatA hai, aisA kahate haiN| aise saMyoga hoM to vizeSa bhAva ko bhI khuda jAna sakatA hai| ataH vizeSa bhAva, vaha saMyoga aura kAla ke kAraNa hai| una saMyogoM ko alaga kara diyA jAe to vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jaaegaa| ataH AtmA aura pudgala, donoM jo mile hue haiM, unheM alaga kara detA hU~ isalie unakA vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai| pUrI pratiSThA sarjita... Apako mUlabhUta hakIkata batA detA huuN| do prakAra ke AtmA haiN| eka, mUla AtmA hai aura dUsarA, jo mUla AtmA kI vajaha se utpanna hone vAlA yaha vyavahAra AtmA hai| mUla AtmA nizcaya AtmA hai| usameM koI badalAva huA hI nahIM hai| vaha jaisA thA, vaisA hI hai aura usakI vajaha se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna ho gayA hai| jisa prakAra, hama jaba darpaNa ke sAmane jAte haiM taba do caMdUbhAI dikhAI dete haiM yA nahIM?

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? praznakartA : hA~, do dikhAI dete haiN| dAdAzrI : usI prakAra yaha vyavahAra AtmA utpanna ho gayA hai| use hamane 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahA hai| usameM khuda kI pratiSThA kI huI hai| isalie abhI bhI yadi Apa pratiSThA karoge, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' karoge to phira se agale janma ke lie pratiSThita AtmA bnegaa| yadi isa vyavahAra ko satya mAnoge to phira se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna hogaa| nizcaya AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI hai| yadi usakA sparza ho jAe na, to kalyANa ho jAegA! abhI to vyavahAra AtmA kA hI sparza hai| eka vyakti khajUra kA bar3A ejenTa hai, saba loga use kahate haiM ki 'ye khajUra vAle seTha haiM' lekina korTa meM unheM vakIla mAnate haiN| yadi ve vakAlata kareM to vakIla mAne jAe~ge na? isI prakAra yadi Apa vyavahArika kArya meM masta ho to 'Apa' 'vyavahArika AtmA' ho aura nizcaya meM masta ho to 'Apa' 'nizcaya AtmA' ho| mukhyataH 'Apa' aura sirpha 'Apa' hI ho lekina yaha isa para AdhArita hai ki kauna se kArya meM ho| vyavahAra AtmA hI ahaMkAra hai praznakartA : aba khuda vibhAva avasthA meM upayoga rakhatA hai isalie AtmA ko karma baMdhana hotA hai| ataH AtmA kA yaha upayoga hI vibhAva dazA meM jAtA hai| 'yadi vaha svabhAva meM rahe to use karma nahIM baMdhegA', vaha ThIka hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, galata bAta hai| AtmA niraMtara svabhAva meM hI rahatA hai, vahI mUla AtmA hai| jisameM ye svabhAva aura vibhAva hote rahate haiM, vaha vyavahAra AtmA hai| mUla AtmA to niraMtara mukta hI hai, anAdi mukta hai| aMdara baiThA huA hai| vyavahAra arthAt abhI jo mAnA huA 'AtmA' hai, vaha vibhAvika hai aura vyavahAra AtmA meM itanA, eka senTa bhI cetana nahIM hai| praznakartA : yaha jo vyavahAra AtmA hai, vahI ahaMkAra hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI ahaMkAra hai aura usameM eka senTa bhI cetana

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) nahIM hai| dekho, kaise yaha jagat cetana ke binA calatA rahatA hai ! isa varlDa meM pahalI bAra yaha anAvRta kara rahA hU~ ki isameM cetana nahIM hai| praznakartA : Apane hameM jJAna diyA usase pahale to hamArA AtmA, vyavahAra AtmA thA na? dAdAzrI : haaN| nahIM to aura kyA thA? isa vyavahAra AtmA meM rahakara Apane mUla AtmA ko dekhaa| use dekhA tabhI se staMbhita ho gae ki 'ohoho! itanA AnaMda hai!' isalie phira usI meM ramaNatA clii| pahale ramaNatA saMsAra meM, bhautika meM cala rahI thii| saMsAra anaupacArika, vyavahAra se... isa duniyA meM AtmA kA koI pramANa nahIM hai lekina anaupacArika (anupacarita) vyavahAra kA pramANa to hai hI na ki koI bhI upacAra kie binA yaha zarIra banA hai, koI banAne vAlA nahIM hai, isake bAvajUda bhii| usake bajAya logoM ne ghusA diyA ki bhagavAna haiM aura bhagavAna ne ye sAre putale banAe unake kArakhAne meN'| ataH Age socane ke daravAz2e hI baMda ho gae na! lekina hama kyA kahate haiM, bhagavAna ne nahIM banAyA hai| aura isa anaupacArika vyavahAra ko to dekho! yaha vyavahAra upacArika vyavahAra nahIM hai| upacArika vyavahAra to hama yoM vAstava meM cAya banAte haiM, vaha hai| maiMne cAya banAI' kahanA vaha bhI bhrAMti hai| yaha jagat bhI anaupacArika vyavahAra hI hai lekina use aisA lagatA hai ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA hU~, isalie saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| phira vaha bhI anaupacArika vyavahAra hI hai| yadi isa prakAra se anaupacArika vyavahAra nahIM hotA to maratA hI nahIM na koii| vaha upacArika vyavahAra hotA to koI maratA hI nahIM na! vaha bhI anaupacArika vyavahAra hI hai| rAta ko kAma rahe to vaha soegA hI nahIM na! vaha anaupacArika vyavahAra hai! lekina itane saba logoM kI buddhi kaise satarka ho jAtI hai isalie jaba hama yaha saba karate haiM to vahA~ para 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAtA hai| aura vaha bhAna bhI kisa prakAra se hotA hai? vyatireka guNa utpanna hone kI vajaha se| arthAt AtmA aura anAtmA kI, donoM kI upasthiti se vyatireka

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? 35 guNa utpanna ho ge| sirpha AtmA se nahIM ho sakate aura sirpha anAtmA se bhI nahIM ho skte| isalie yahA~ se eka ko haTA diyA jAe to phira utpanna nahIM hoNge| praznakartA : upasthiti meM bhI use merA mAnA isalie hue na? dAdAzrI : merA mAnane vAlA vaha kauna hai ? AtmA bhI 'merA' nahIM kahatA aura pudgala bhI 'merA' nahIM khtaa| praznakartA : lekina abhI pAsa-pAsa to haiM na? dAdAzrI : ve pAsa-pAsa haiM, isalie pUrI jAgRti khatma ho gii| jAgRti utpanna hone para alaga ho ge| vyatireka guNa baMda! praznakartA : aba vahI! pAsa vAlI kauna sI jAgRti ho gaI thI? dAdAzrI : pAsa meM Ae to una para AvaraNa A gayA, jAgRti khatma ho gii| to phira jaba pAsa meM Ane para Ane vAlA AvaraNa tor3a diyA to alaga ho gyaa| AvaraNa tor3ane hote haiM na? praznakartA : ataH donoM dravya to bhinna hI haiM lekina inake pAsa meM Ane ke kAraNa yaha ho gayA thA? dAdAzrI : bhinna hI haiM, kisI ne kucha kiyA hI nahIM hai| kisI ne kisI kI madada nahIM kii| kisI ne kisI kA nukasAna nahIM kiyaa| kucha hai hI nhiiN| yaha saba ApakI hI bhUla hai| aura phira ve loga bhI kabUla karate haiM ki koI dravya kisI dUsare dravya kI madada nahIM kara sktaa| koI nukasAna nahIM krtaa| to 'bhAI, yaha kisane kiyA, DhU~Dha nikAla na? AtmA ne kiyA yA anAtmA ne kiyA?' taba loga vaha javAba samajhate nahIM haiN| vaijJAnika bAta hai yh| vizeSa spaSTatA, vibhAva avasthA kI... vizeSa guNa ApakI samajha meM AyA na? ye tatva ke vizeSa guNa haiM, ye ekjekTa hote haiM lekina maiM Apako usakI similI meM dUsarA, yahA~

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36 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) kA, avasthA kA, vizeSa guNa batAtA huuN| tatva ke vizeSa guNa Apa dekha nahIM sakate isalie Apako avasthA se batAtA hU~ ki yaha kisa taraha se utpanna ho gayA hai! praznakartA : Apa z2arA dRSTAMta dekara samajhAie na ki ye jo mila gae haiM, usakA mUla kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : isakI similI tatvoM meM nahIM milatI phira bhI yaha similI de rahA hU~, usameM se mujhe kAraNa DhU~Dhakara do| jaise ki hamane bagIce meM saMgamaramara DalavAyA ho, saMgamaramara kI roDa banavAI ho to seTha vahA~ para roz2a bUTa pahanakara Ate-jAte haiN| usa samaya unheM kyA patA cale ki isa patthara kA svabhAva kyA hai ? to phira eka dina dopahara ko do baje baccA vahA~ para khelate-khelate gira gayA to ye naMge paira vahA~ para daur3akara gae, garmI ke dinoM meM! taba saMgamaramara hameM kyA phala degA? praznakartA : garmI, grmii| dAdAzrI : nahIM! garmI to Upara bhI lagatI hai lekina paira para kyA asara hotA hai? praznakartA : jalA detA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, jala jAte haiN| taba seTha ko aisA bhrama ghusa jAtA hai ki isa kaoNnTraikTara ne kyA kiyA? aise garama patthara kyoM lagAe ina logoM ne? to ve kaoNnTraikTara ko DA~Tate haiM ki 'bhAI tUne garama patthara lagAe isalie tere paise kATa luuNgaa'| taba kaoNnTraikTara khulAsA karatA hai ki 'sAhaba, maiMne garama patthara nahIM lagAe haiN| patthara to ThaMDe hI lagAe the lekina isa sUryanArAyaNa ke saMyoga se ye garama ho gae haiN| abhI jaba sUryanArAyaNa asta ho jAe~ge to turaMta ye apane svabhAva meM A jaaeNge'| yAnI ki ina sUryanArAyaNa kI upasthiti se ye garama ho gae haiN| isase vizeSa guNa utpanna huA aura jaba sUryanArAyaNa cale jAe~ge taba vizeSa guNa khatma ho jaaegaa| usI prakAra se yaha ahaMkAra khar3A ho gayA hai| aba aisA spaSTIkaraNa zAstra ne diyA huA nahIM hotA hai na! aura aise udAharaNa de bhI kauna?

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(1.3) vibhAva arthAt viruddha bhAva? 37 udAharaNa hogA to samajha meM AegA na! samajhA diyA na? to isa prakAra tIsarA guNa utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : taba to phira aisA huA na, patthara ne sUrya kA guNa grahaNa kara liyaa| tIsarA guNa nahIM huA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, patthara sUrya kA guNa grahaNa nahIM krtaa| usa para asara hotA hai, sUrya kA iphekTa hotA hai| usakA khuda kA svabhAva to ThaMDA hI hai lekina aisA asara ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : to yaha garmI aura ThaMDa, vaha vAtAvaraNa kA asara hai ? dAdAzrI : sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| sUrya kI rez2a (kiraNeM) ke z2amIna se Taca hone para garmI utpanna hotI hai| thor3A-bahuta buddhi meM utara rahA hai yA nahIM? preraNA isameM pAvara kI sUrya kI upasthiti meM yahA~ para koI cIz2a rakhI ho to UrjA utpanna hogI yA nahIM? praznakartA : hogii| dAdAzrI : usameM vaha khuda kartA nahIM hai| ina donoM cIz2oM ke milane para UrjA utpanna hotI hai| usI prakAra yaha utpanna ho gayA hai| aba yaha samajha meM phiTa kaise hogA? iMsAna ko kisa taraha se seTa hogA? kahegA, 'kisI ke kie bagaira kaise ho sakatA hai?' yaha samajha meM phiTa nahIM hogA na? praznakartA : nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : aura jo preraNA hai, vaha preraNA kisakI hai? pAvara kI preraNA hai| yaha cetana kI nahIM hai| yadi cetana kI preraNA hotI to cetana baMdha jaataa| ataH ise samajhanA bahuta AsAna nahIM hai, bahuta muzkila hai| isIlie

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) to yaha saba bAra-bAra AtA rahatA hai| isIlie to tyAga karane par3ate haiM, nahIM to kyA kahIM tyAga karane kI z2arUrata hai? yadi AtmA ko samajha liyA hai to tyAga nahIM karanA hai aura nahIM samajhA hai to tU apanI taraha se tyAga karatA hI raha, anaMta janmoM taka tyAga karatA raha na ! tyAgI aura AtmA, donoM alaga haiN| tyAgI pudgala kA vyApArI hai| praznakartA : pAvara aura caitanya donoM alaga-alaga haiM ? dAdAzrI : jitane alaga sUrya aura usase utpanna hone vAlI UrjA haiM, utane hI alaga haiN| sUrya kI vajaha se UrjA utpanna hotI hai, utanA alaga hai| pAvara meM sUrya kA koI kartApana nahIM hai| usameM dUsarI cIz2a mila gaI isalie UrjA utpanna hotI hai| yadi Apa yahA~ para bar3A sA moTA kA~ca rakha do to usa kA~ca kI vajaha se, dUsarI koI cIz2a mila jAe to bahuta bar3A vo ho jAtA hai aura usase nIce saba jalane lagatA hai| usameM sUrya ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| dUsarI jo cIz2a A milI hai, yaha usakI vajaha se hai| use haTA liyA jAe to phira kucha bhI nahIM hai| aba haTe kisa taraha se? praznakartA : haTAne vAlA milegA to haTA degaa| dAdAzrI : haTA degaa| isalie kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki mokSadAtA puruSa ke milane para tumhArI mukti hogii| ve mokSa kA dAna dene Ae hote haiM! ve dAna dene vAle kaise hoMge? kRpAludeva ne hI yaha zabda likhA hai ki 'mokSadAtA!' bAkI kisI bhI jagaha para mokSadAtA zabda nahIM likhA gayA hai !

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[4] prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA varlDa, iTa selpha paz2ala isa saMsAra ke sparza se yaha vizeSa guNa utpanna ho gayA hai| jaba usakA samaya paripakva hogA taba vaha vizeSa guNa baMda ho jaaegaa| usakI amala (asara) utara jaaegaa| isa saMsAra kI amala arthAt bhraaNti| vaha amala calA jAegA to ThIka ho jaaegaa| jo vaha khuda hai, vahI banakara rhegaa| arthAt jaba aisA kucha huA hI nahIM hai phira vahA~ para utpanna karanA kahA~ rahA? to yaha jagat utpanna huA hI nahIM hai, jagat sanAtana hai| kabhI bhI isakI Adi thI hI nahIM phira ise DhU~DhanA kahA~ rahA? phira banAne vAlA hai, aisA kahane kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| da varlDa iz2a da paz2ala iTaselpha, iTaselpha paz2ala ho gayA hai yh| gaoNDa haiz2a naoNTa paz2alDa disa varlDa eTa oNl| (yaha duniyA eka svayaMbhU pahelI hai| svayaMbhU pahelI ho cukI hai yh| isa duniyA ko bhagavAna ne nahIM racA hai|) nahIM hai Adi ajJAnatA kI praznakartA : dAdA! to kisa taraha se pahalI ajJAnatA paidA huI hai, pUrI duniyA meM? dAdAzrI : vaha to pahale se thI hii| zuruAta huI hI nahIM hai| (jJAnI se jJAna milane ke bAda) usakA enDa AtA hai| praznakartA : enDa AtA hai to biginiMga kahA~ se huI? dAdAzrI : yaha saba thA, thA aura thA hii| kyoMki cha: avinAzI tattva eka sAtha the, unheM alaga kiyA jAe to turaMta hI alaga ho jAtA

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40 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hai| ve sabhI tattva to mukta hI haiN| sirpha yaha cetana hI baMdhA huA hai kyoMki 'use' aisA lagA ki 'yaha kauna kara rahA hai?' lekina vaha to, sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se ahaMkAra utpanna ho gyaa| praznakartA : lekina zuddha AtmA meM vyatireka guNa bhI kyoM AnA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaha guNa AtmA kA nahIM hai| vaha alaga se utpanna huA praznakartA : to anAdi se yaha kriyA zakti AtmA ke sAtha hI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : eka cIz2a yaha hai ki AtmA ko akartA to hama mAnate dAdAzrI : akartA to hai hii| praznakartA : hai hI kyoMki jisa prakAra se garma lohe para mArA huA hathaur3A agni ko nahIM lagatA, usI prakAra AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : vahI kaha rahA hU~, AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| yaha saba to ahaMkAra ko hI hotA hai| ahaMkAra calA jAe to phira kucha bhI nahIM hai| ___ ahaMkAra hI sabakucha karatA hai| ahaMkAra aMdhA hai, dekha hI nahIM pAtA becArA aura vaha buddhi kI A~khoM se calatA hai| aba yadi buddhi kahe, 've to apane mAmA sasura lagate haiM, taba ahaMkAra kahatA hai, 'acchA'! bhramaNAe~ sArI buddhi kI praznakartA : to yaha saba buddhi kI hI gar3abar3a hai? dAdAzrI : buddhi ke kAraNa hI yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| praznakartA : to bilIpha bhI buddhi meM hI nahIM hai?

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prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, roMga bilIpha ahaMkAra se hai / buddhi ke pAsa bilIpha utpanna karane kA tarIkA hI nahIM hai / 41 ahaMkAra pUrA hI roMga bilIpha hai| roMga bilIpha rakhane vAlA khuda bhI roMga bilIpha hai| roMga bilIpha meM rahakara roMga bilIpha rakhatA hai| vaha rAiTa bilIpha meM rahakara roMga bilIpha nahIM rkhtaa| praznakartA : rAiTa bilIpha meM rahakara roMga bilIpha hogI hI nahIM / dAdAzrI : taba to hogI hI nahIM / praznakartA : usakA artha aisA huA ki buddhi ke saMyoga se AtmA ko yaha roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai yA phira AtmA buddhi ke Azraya kI vajaha se aisA karatA hai / dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA to aisA kucha karatA hI nahIM hai na! AtmA to akartA hai| praznakartA : buddhi kisake AdhAra para yaha saba karatI hai ? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para / praznakartA : ahaMkAra bhI jar3a hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, jar3a to pUrA hI hai na, lekina vaha ahaMkAra bilkula jar3a nahIM hai| vaha mizra cetana hai / buddhi mizra cetana hai, sirpha mana hI jar3a (nizcetana cetana) hai| citta bhI mizra cetana hai / mAinDa iz2a kamplITa phij'ikl| (mana pUrNata: jar3a hai | ) arthAt AtmA to paramAnaMda svarUpI hai, khuda ke svabhAva meM A jAe to (yaha saba) khatma ho jaaegaa| svabhAva meM nahIM AyA hai abhI, isa upAdhi bhAva kI vajaha se / praznakartA : yaha jo AtmA hai, buddhi kI vajaha se yaha bhrAMti ho gaI hai lekina yadi buddhi aura AtmA sAtha meM nahIM hoMge to yaha bhrama hone kA koI kAraNa hI nahIM hai / yAnI ki yaha buddhi hI sabakucha karatI hai

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 aura AtmA se usakA sparza hai, to AtmA to mokSa svarUpa hI hai| to hamAre sAtha ye saba ghoTAle kyoM hote rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, sparza nahIM huA hai / kucha bhI nahIM huA hai I praznakartA : to phira usameM ye jo azuddha karma baMdha gae haiM, ve kisa taraha se baMdhe ? mujhe vaha samajhanA hai| 42 dAdAzrI : use samajhane ke lie yahA~ para Ate rahanA pdd'egaa| yaha itanI bar3I bAta hai ki bAra-bAra yahA~ para Ate rahanA pdd'egaa| eka dina meM batA dU~gA to Apako kucha bhI samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| thor3A-thor3A samajhate jAoge to isakA aMta AegA / eka dina meM kyA gaThariyA~, sabhI poTaliyA~ bA~dha sakate haiM kyA ? yAnI z2arA satsaMga meM AnA pdd'egaa| abhI to haiM do-cAra dina yahA~ para, cakkara lagA jAnA na! acchA lagA Apako ? kucha pUchoge to vaha saba ThikAne para A jAegA / aMta hai lekina Adi nahIM karma kI praznakartA : karma ke baMdhana kA mUla kahA~ se zurU huA hai ? dAdAzrI : isa karma ke baMdhana kI biginiMga nahIM hai| karma ke baMdhana kA enDa A sakatA hai zAyada, lekina biginiMga nahIM hai kyoMki yaha to vaijJAnika prayoga hai| pAnI meM pahale, yAnI ki pahale oNksIjana hai yA pahale hAiDrojana hai? pahale kauna AyA to pAnI banA ? yaha saba eTa e TAima hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai yaha! isalie koI pahale yA koI bAda meM hai hI nahIM / zuddha cetana aura zuddha jar3a donoM sAtha meM Ae, yaha vizeSa guNa utpanna huA isalie vizeSa guNadharma ko bhajatA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) hai / usameM kartApana kA guNadharma utpanna huA aura isase karma baMdhate haiN| aba ve bhI sthUla haiM jabaki AtmA sUkSma hai| yaha vizeSa bhAva kaba taka hai? jaba taka pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kA saMyoga hai, taba tk| vaha saMyoga hamezA kA nahIM hai| yaha jagat badalatA hai lekina bhagavAna, bhagavAna ke rUpa meM hI rahe haiM, unakA rUpa nahIM badalatA !

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prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA 43 AtmA kabhI bhI azuddha huA hI nahIM hai kyoMki AtmA svAbhAvika vastu hai| svAbhAvika vastu ko plAsTara-blAsTara nahIM kiyA jA sktaa| usake Tukar3e nahIM kie jA skte| AtmA ke aMza nahIM ho skte| aMza to, AvaraNa meM jitane cheda ho gae utane hI aMza prakaTa hote haiN| yAtrA, nigoda se siddha taka kI praznakartA : yaha jo mAnava hai vaha bhI AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva hai ? dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva hI hai sArA! praznakartA : arthAt yaha saba cetana aura jar3a donoM eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kahIM eka hotA hogA? yaha to, cetana para jar3a kA asara ho gayA hai aura jar3a para cetana kA asara ho gayA hai| isalie jar3a cetana vAlA ho gayA hai aura cetana jar3a vAlA ho gayA hai| praznakartA : cetana jar3a vAlA ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : jar3a vAlA arthAt usa para sirpha utanA asara hI huA hai, vAstava meM vaha vaisA huA nahIM hai| vAstava meM to yaha jar3a ko huA hai| vAstava meM asara jar3a para huA hai, vAstava meM cetana para asara nahIM huA hai lekina cetana kI bilIpha meM asara hai| sirpha bilIpha hI badalI hai, vaha roMga bilIpha baiTha gaI hai| praznakartA : mAnava deha ko sarvottama mAnA gayA hai, to phira jaba yaha AtmA pazu yA kITANu yA jIvANuoM vAlI deha dhAraNa karatA hai to kyA vaha duHkhada ghaTanA nahIM kahalAegI, AtmA ke lie? dAdAzrI : isa agni ko barpha ThaMDA kara sakatA hai kyA? yA phira barpha ko chUne se koI vyakti jala sakatA hai kyA? barpha para aMgAre lagAe~ to? to kyA barpha jalegI? nhiiN| AtmA ko kabhI bhI kucha hotA hI nahIM hai| vaha to paramAnaMdI hai aura yaha to dUsarA jaMga laga gayA hai| praznakartA : jIva kauna se karma kI vajaha se nigoda meM rahatA hai ?

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44 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : nigoda meM to bhayaMkara karma haiM, abhI taka usakA koI karma chUTA nahIM hai aura usameM se eka bhI indriya utpanna nahIM huI hai, jaba taka prakAza yA ujAlA bAhara nahIM nikalatA, taba taka nigoda meM hI hai| nigoda arthAt saMpUrNa rUpa se karmoM se aaropit| praznakartA : lekina yoM nigoda meM hone kA kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to kudaratI niyama ke AdhAra para nigoda meM hI hai| usameM se isa vyavahAra meM AtA hai| AvaraNa kama hote jAte haiM aura phira mukta ho jAtA hai vahA~ se| aura usakA yaha jo kAraNa hai, vaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiM aura unase yaha nigoda bhI utpanna huaa| nigoda meM se phira dhIre-dhIre-dhIre ekendriya (jIva) banatA hai, do indriya banatA hai, tIna indriya banatA hai, jaise-jaise saMyoga badalate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise Develapa hotA jAtA hai| praznakartA : jaba jIva vyavahAra meM AyA taba kAla milA aura pudgala ke paramANu bhI mile, usake binA to vyatireka guNa utpanna ho hI nahIM sakatA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vyatireka to ho cukA hai| praznakartA : kisa taraha se huA? taba kAla pravAha meM AyA... dAdAzrI : avyavahAra vAle jo jIva haiM, ve vyatireka guNa vAle hI haiN| praznakartA : acchA dAdA, avyavahAra jIva meM pahale se hI ve sabhI guNa hote haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, sabhI meN| isa tarapha jIvamAtra vyatireka guNa vAle hI haiM aura ye siddha (bhagavAna), ve vyatireka khatma hone ke bAda siddha meM ge| praznakartA : to dAdA, jinameM nayA (vyatireka) guNa utpanna (cArja) nahIM hotA, ve hI siddha bana jAte haiM ?

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(1.4) prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA dAdAzrI : purAne (vyatireka) guNa ke khatma ho jAne para vaha siddha bana jAtA hai| vyatireka guNa utpanna honA baMda ho jAe~ to siddha bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : ekendriya jIva meM ve kisa taraha se rahe hue haiM? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha... dAdAzrI : ve mUla bhAva meM rahe hue haiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke mUla bhAva kyA haiM? raag-dvess| usa rAga-dveSa meM se ye saba alaga hue, rAga meM se lobha aura kapaTa aura dveSa meM se mAna aura krodh| isa prakAra se usakA mUla rAga-dveSa hai aura rAga-dveSa kA mUla kyA hai? ruci-aruci| per3oM ko bhI ruci-aruci hai, sabhI ko| ekendriya jIvamAtra ko ruciaruci hai ! acchA nahIM lagatA lekina kyA kareM, koI cArA hI nahIM hai na! nApasaMdagI kA ehasAsa to hai na? duHkha hotA hai, aisA bhAna huA na? jahA~ duHkha hotA hai vahA~ para aruci, aura phira sukha bhI lagatA hai| acchI havA cale, barasAta Ae taba per3a bhI khuza ho jAte haiN| paudhe bhI khuza ho jAte haiN| bahuta garmI ho yA bahuta barpha gira rahI ho taba sabhI per3a duHkhI ho jAte haiN| ataH jahA~ dekho vahA~ para yahI haiM, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha / praznakartA : yaha prANI sRSTi, inameM caurAsI lAkha yoniyA~ haiM, ye jo manuSya bane, ye sabhI vyatireka guNoM se hI utpanna hue haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, saba vyatireka guNoM meM se hI huA hai| praznakartA : to ye AkAra, taraha-taraha ke AkAra, yaha saba... dAdAzrI : hA~, yahA~ para jaba tez2a bAriza hotI hai, taba bulabule banate haiM na, to ve kyA eka hI taraha ke hote haiM ? praznakartA : nahIM, alaga-alaga hote haiM, choTe-bar3e hote haiN| dAdAzrI : koI itanA bar3A hotA hai, koI itanA bar3A hotA hai, itanA bar3A hotA hai, itanA bar3A hotA hai, aisA hai yaha sb| isameM kahIM bhagavAna vahA~ para Akara aisA karane baiThe haiM ? yoM bulabule banate haiM aura phUTa jAte haiM, banate haiM aura phUTa jAte haiN|

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46 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : lekina isake sAtha hI hara eka prANI ke alaga-alaga guNa aura svabhAva Ate haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~! hara eka kA alaga-alaga spesa hotA hai, vaha alaga-alaga, usameM bhI svabhAva alaga-alaga hote haiN| jaise eviDensa milate haiM vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| jaise dUsare saMyoga milate haiM vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| ApakA svarUpa una saMyogoM se bAhara hai| saMyogoM ke dabAva se sarjita huA saMsAra praznakartA : hama aisA mAnate haiM ki koI alaukika zakti hai aura dUsarI tarapha hama haiN| hama usake bhAga haiM na... dAdAzrI : kisI ke bhI bhAga nahIM haiM, Apa bhAga nahIM ho| praznakartA : eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM! eka bhI nhiiN| Apa apanI taraha se svataMtra ho| ApakA koI UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) nahIM hai| yadi hama usake bhAga hote na, taba to vaha mAra-mArakara apanA tela nikAla detaa| aisA nahIM hai, yaha to bilkula svataMtra hai| praznakartA : yadi saba svataMtra haiM to ye saba jo, hara eka ikAI alaga-alaga hai, to ye saMyoga kisa prakAra se prabaMdhita (arenjDa) haiM ? dAdAzrI : bilkula! regyuleTara (vyavasthita, sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa) se prabaMdhita haiM ye| praznakartA : Apane sAra to batA diyA ki ye isa prakAra se prabaMdhita haiM lekina isakA kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : isake kAraNa meM aura koI cIz2a nahIM hai| ye jIva niraMtara pravAhita hote-hote svAbhAvika hone kI koziza kara rahe haiM, svAbhAvika! jo vizeSa bhAvI ho cuke haiM, ve svAbhAvika hone kI koziza kara rahe haiN| yaha vizeSa bhAva kyoM ho gayA? to kahate haiM, upAdhi (bAhara se Ane

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(1.4) prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) svabhAva kI vajaha se kyoMki hameM ye sabhI eviDensa mile isalie eviDensa ke AdhAra para hama para dabAva AtA hai, aura upAdhi bhAva ho jAtA hai| inameM se jo cetana hai, sirpha vahI mokSa kI tarapha jA rahA hai| isameM aura kucha bhI nahIM ho rahA hai, bAkI kA saba to vaise kA vaisA hI hai, niraMtara / lekina buddhi kaisA DhU~Dha nikAlatI hai ki zuruAta hue binA to kaise ho sakatA hai ? are, zuruAta karegA to enDa aaegaa| tU hI mUrkha bnegaa| rAunDa kI koI zuruAta hotI hai kyA? koI kahegA ki 'bhAI ye sUryanArAyaNa uga rahe haiM, ina sUryanArAyaNa kI zuruAta kahA~ se huI?' aura yadi bhagavAna ne banAyA kaheMge na, taba to phira usakI kar3I hI nahIM milegii| jabaki maiM jaba vijJAna se kahatA hU~ tabhI isakI kar3I milatI hai| tirachI naz2ara aura cipaka par3A AtmA, isameM svAbhAvika jJAna-darzana aura vibhAvika jJAna-darzana haiN| ataH jyoM hI tirachA dekhA ki kyA itane se hI cipaka par3A? to kahate haiM, 'hA~ isIlie cipaka par3A hai yaha pUrA hI jagat' / 'tirachA kyoM dekhA?' kahate haiN| __ hA~, to isI taraha yaha jagat cipaka par3A hai| saMyogoM kA behisAba jaththA hai aura jaththe meM tirachA dekhA to A banI aura phira calA eka meM se eka, eka meM se eka, aura phira anNt| yaha saba bar3hatA hI calA gyaa| aba yaha jo cetana hai na, use aMdara se mukta honA hai phira bhI nahIM ho paataa| to bhAI, pudgala kA z2ora z2yAdA hai yA cetana kA? to abhI to pudgala meM hI 'maiM pha~sA huA hU~', kahatA hai| nahIM? yadi yaha pUrI bAz2I lohe kI hotI na, taba to kabhI kA hI velDiMga lagAkara kATa dete lekina aMdara kyA yaha pUrA lohe kA hai? eka ka~gUrA bhI nahIM ttuutttaa| mAyAjAla! ataH yaha to, jo mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra haiM na, ve 'maiM kara rahA hU~, maiM kara rahA hU~' kahate haiM, ve saba to hathiyAra haiN| ye hathiyAra kyoM

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48 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) calane lage? mithyAtva darzana se| samyak darzana ho jAe to ye hathiyAra vApasa sIdhe ho jaaeNge| aisA hai, yaha dRSTi to kaisI hai ki hamezA hI, yoM baiThe hoM to hameM eka lAiTa ke badale do lAiTa dikhAI detI haiN| A~kha z2arA yoM ho jAe (dabAva A jAe) to do dikhAI detA hai yA nahIM dikhAI detA? aba vAstava meM to eka hI hai phira bhI do dikhAI dete haiN| hama pleTa se cAya pIte haiM taba kaI bAra pleTa ke aMdara jo sarkala hotA hai na, vaha do-do dikhAI dete haiN| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? ki do A~kheM haiM isalie sabakucha Dabala dikhAI detA hai| ye A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiM aura ve aMdara vAlI A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiM lekina vaha mithyA dRSTi hai| ataH yaha saba ulTA dikhAtI hai| yadi sIdhA dikhAe to sabhI duHkhoM se rahita ho jAegA, sarva upAdhi rahita ho jaaegaa| AtmA ne karma nahIM bhogA hai| ahaMkAra ne karma nahIM bhogA hai| ahaMkAra ne viSaya bhogA hI nahIM hai, phira bhI ahaMkAra sirpha mAnatA hI hai ki 'maiMne bhogaa'| kRSNa bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'viSaya viSayoM meM bartate haiM, vaha saba svAbhAvika hai| usameM ahaMkAra kahatA hai, 'maiM kara rahA hU~' isalie phira bhugatanA par3a rahA hai| ahaMkAra galata Aropita bhAva hai, isalie karma baMdhana hotA hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~' kahA, isalie karma baMdhana hotA hai| 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aisA bhAna calA jAe to karma chUTa jaaeNge| usake bAda saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA (nayA karma bIja nahIM DaleM, binA karmaphala pUrA ho jAnA) hogii| praznakartA : kartApana kI mAnyatA kisa taraha se utpanna huI? dAdAzrI : roMga bilIpha huI, usase ahaMkAra utpanna huA ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| isameM ahaMkAra koI cIz2a hai hI nahIM, phira bhI aisA hai ki zarIra para ahaMkAra kA phoTo par3atA (asara dikhAI detA) hai| paudgalika rUpa se zarIra para phoTo par3e, aisA hai| vAstava meM ahaMkAra kucha bhI nahIM karatA phira bhI vaha ahaMkAra aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~', basa itanA hI hai| sirpha bilIpha roMga hai| bilIpha sudhAre to sabakucha badala

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(1.4) prathama pha~sAva AtmA kA jaaegaa| (vyavahAra) AtmA nahIM bigar3A hai, kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai, z2arA sI bilIpha bigar3I hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra ke laya ho jAne ke bAda jIva kisa AdhAra para rahegA? dAdAzrI : isa bilIpha ko haTA diyA jAe na, to ahaMkAra kA laya ho jaaegaa| ApakI dRSTi yoM (saMsAra kI tarapha) hai taba taka ahaMkAra hai aura dRSTi badala jAe to ahaMkAra kA pUrNataH laya ho jaaegaa| khuda ke svarUpa kI ora dRSTi huI ki ahaMkAra laya ho jaaegaa| phira mUla AtmA ko kisI bhI AdhAra kI z2arUrata nahIM rhegii| nirAlaMba hai! kyA mukhar3A nahIM dikhAtA darpaNa kabhI? praznakartA : ajJAnatA to mere AtmA para bAda meM car3hI, to kyA mUlataH merA AtmA jJAnI thA? dAdAzrI : vahI maiM Apako batA rahA huuN| mUlataH to yaha AtmA saMpUrNa prakAza vAlA hai| darpaNa meM kabhI hama na dikhAI de aisA to kabhI ho hI nahIM sakatA na! lekina agara bAhara kI havA kharAba ho jAe, vAtAvaraNa kharAba ho jAe to phira hama darpaNa meM dikhAI nahIM deMge, aisA hotA hai na! hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : koharA ho yA vaisA kucha to kabhI aisA ho sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : to vAtAvaraNa kA asara ho gayA hai| praznakartA : lekina yadi AtmA hI khuda paramAtmA hai to use aisA saba kyoM hotA hai ? vaha moha meM kyoM par3atA hai ? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM huA hai, moha meM nahIM par3A hai, pha~sa gayA hai| khuda apane Apa to koI par3egA hI nhiiN| pUrA vyavahAra saMyogoM se bharA huA hai| jaba yahA~ se use siddha pada

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 meM jAnA ho jahA~ para ki koI bhI saMyoga nahIM haiM, taba use aise sAdhana mila jAte haiN| zAstra, jJAnI puruSa, sabhI sAdhana mila jAte haiM, taba khuda ke svarUpa ko samajhatA hai aura tabhI se vaha mukta hone lagatA hai / eka janma, do janma, paMdraha janmoM meM bhI, niber3A A jAtA hai uskaa| 50 'koTi varSanuM svapna paNa, jAgrata thatAM zamAya, tema vibhAva anAdino, jJAna thatAM dUra thAya.' - zrImad rAjacaMdra 'koTi varSoM kA svapna bhI', logoM ko svapna Ate haiM / svapna meM ve aisA dekhate haiM ki sAta-sAta janma ho cuke haiM ! sapanA to cAhe karor3oM sAla kA Ae lekina jAgRta hote hI baMda ho jAtA hai / jAgate hI khatma ho jAtA hai na ? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : phira koI lenA-denA rahatA hai ? usI prakAra yaha 'koTi varSoM kA svapna bhI jAgRta hote hI baMda ho jAtA hai usI prakAra se yaha anAdi kA vibhAva hai', kRpAludeva aisA kahate haiM ki anAdi se jo vizeSa bhAva hai, vaha jJAna hote hI dUra ho jAtA hai| kisI bhI kAla meM na sunA ho, aisA hai yaha akrama vijJAna / isalie yadi bAta ko samajha le to niber3A A jaaegaa|

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[5] anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa 'guNadharmoM' se huA vizeSa bhAva praznakartA : yaha jo vibhAvAvasthA utpanna huI, lekina svabhAva meM se vibhAva hone kA pahalA kAraNa kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : pahalA kAraNa koI hai hI nhiiN| duniyA meM niyama aisA hai ki jaba do cIjeM milatI haiM... jaba taka ve alaga haiM taba guNadharma alaga hote haiM aura jaba ve donoM milatI haiM taba 'guNadharma' meM 'vizeSa bhAva' utpanna ho jAtA hai| do cIjeM milI haiM islie| yadi na mileM to vizeSa bhAva nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : do cIz2oM ke guNadharma jo haiM ve, aura sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se jo vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA hai, unake guNadharma alaga haiM ? dAdAzrI : alaga haiN| koI bhI prakAza, cAhe sUrya kA ho yA lAiTa kA ho lekina jaba koI vyakti usameM khar3A rahatA hai to parachAI usake sAtha hI khar3I ho jAtI hai| do cIz2oM meM se tIsarI cIz2a upasthita ho jAtI hai| yadi sirpha darpaNa dekhe to bhI saba apane jaisA hI dikhAI detA hai aura usI prakAra se yaha utpanna huA hai| yaha AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva hai, vizeSa svarUpa hai, vibhAva svarUpa jo ki usameM hamezA ke lie nahIM rhtaa| dUsaroM ke saMyoga se yaha utpanna huA hai jabaki khuda to svabhAva meM hI hai| yaha vizeSa bhAva usase cipaka

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) gayA hai, bhUta laga gayA ho, usa taraha se / bhUta laga jAe to isakA matalaba iMsAna mara nahIM gayA hai| basa itanA hI asara rahatA hai, aura kucha nahIM hai| usI taraha yaha saMsAra bhUta kI taraha cipakA hai, aura kucha nahIM hai 52 cAvala svAbhAvika cIz2a kahalAte haiM aura khicar3I vizeSa bhAva kahalAtI hai aura DAMgara (chilake vAle cAvala), vaha svAbhAvika kahalAtA hai, jaisA kudaratI rUpa se janma huA, vaisA / khicar3I banAne para phira vizeSa bhAva ho gyaa| khicar3I vizeSa bhAva vAlI hai aura AtmA sahaja bhAva vAlA hai| ve kahalAte haiM anvaya guNa bAkI, isa paz2ala ko maiMne khuda dekhA hai ki yaha paz2ala kaise banI hai| krodha- mAna-mAyA - lobha vyatireka guNa haiM, anvaya guNa nahIM haiM / praznakartA : anvaya guNa kA matalaba ? dAdAzrI : anvaya guNa arthAt svAbhAvika guNa / mokSa meM bhI rahate haiM aura yahA~ para bhI rahate haiM / jahA~ ho, vahA~ para hamezA sAtha hI rahate haiM aura vyatireka arthAt jaba taka kucha saMyoga sAtha meM haiM tabhI taka raheMge / arthAt TemparerI haiM, kAlavartI haiN| aura jaise hI alaga hue ki bikhara jaaegaa| praznakartA : AtmA ke anvaya guNa kauna-kauna se haiM? unheM anvaya guNa kyoM kahA gayA haiM ? dAdAzrI : jo usake khuda ke guNa haiM, ve anvaya guNa haiM / praznakartA : usake lie anvaya zabda kA upayoga kyoM kiyA ? dAdAzrI : usake khuda ke haiM / anvaya arthAt usake aMdara guthe hue haiM, AtmA ke guNa / vyatireka arthAt krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha, ve alaga haiN|'hmeN' unase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai / anvaya guNa AtmA ke khuda ke guNa haiN| vaha to anaMta guNoM kA dhAma hai / anaMtajJAna, anaMtadarzana, anaMtazakti, anaMtasukha, kitane sAre guNa haiM AtmA ke !

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa 53 praznakartA : lekina dAdAzrI, ise z2arA aura adhika spaSTa rUpa se samajhAne kI z2arUrata hai| ye anvaya saMbaMdha, unase kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kI mAlikI kA hai| jJAna-darzana, vaha saba khuda kI mAlikI kA hai, sirpha khuda kA hii| bAkI saba yaha jo pUraNagalana hotA hai, vaha anvaya saMbaMdha nahIM hai| ve to cale jAe~ge kucha dera baad| pUrA jagat isI meM pha~sA huA hai| aba vyatireka para zAstroM meM jo kahA gayA hai, vaha kyA logoM ko dikhAI detA hogA? praznakartA : itane AtmA ke guNa haiM aura itane vyatireka guNa haiM unheM raTa-raTakara jubAnI kara liyA hai lekina kucha samajha meM hI nahIM AtA na! dAdAzrI : aisA calegA hI nahIM na! raTa-raTakara jubAnI karane se kyA hogA? anvaya guNa, anvaya guNa, lekina bhAI! anvaya guNa kA matalaba kyA hai ? usakA virodhI guNa kauna sA hai ? to vaha hai vytirek| to vyatireka kA matalaba kyA hai ? sirpha zabda gAte rahane se hI kyA kucha badala jAegA? bolate hI samajha meM AnA cAhie ki kauna sA? bolate hI vyU poinTa to pahu~canA cAhie, dRSTi pahu~canI caahie| praznakartA : bhAva aura guNa meM kyA pharka hai? AtmA ke ye bhAva aura AtmA ke ye guNa, ina donoM meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : bhAva do prakAra ke hote haiM, eka svabhAva hotA hai aura dUsarA vibhaav| svabhAva ke guNa kahalAte haiM sAre, ve AtmA ke guNa kahalAte haiM aura dUsarA, jinameM vizeSa bhAva ho to ve vyatireka guNa haiM arthAt AtmA ke nahIM haiN| praznakartA : AtmA kA anya padArtha ke sAtha mikscara hone se utpanna hue haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~! kala yadi sUrya, caMdra, pRthvI saba eka sAtha A gae

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54 AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1) the taba anya kitanI taraha ke bhAva utpanna hue hoMge ? una tInoM ke ikaTThe hone se kitanI hI taraha ke grahaNa jaise parivartana ho gae haiM ! vaha vizeSa bhAva kahalAtA hai| yadi vaha sUrya kA guNadharma hotA to vaisA hI grahaNa roz2a hotaa| yadi vaha caMdra kA guNadharma hotA to vaisA hI grahaNa roz2a hotaa| lekina ina donoM ke milane se yaha eka naI hI prakAra kA huaa| basa ! isI prakAra se ina jar3a aura cetana ke milane se hI naI taraha kA utpanna hotA hai I sadguNoM kI kImata nahIM hai vahA~ hameM apane TaTTU ko resa meM nahIM utAranA hai / hameM to apane TaTTU se mokSa meM jAne kA kAma lenA hai| to use isa duniyA ke resakorsa meM mata utAranA / mokSamArga meM loga sadguNa DhU~Dhate haiM lekina ve guNa vyatireka haiM / ve AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM, ve paudgalika guNa haiN| loga sadguNoM ko AtmA guNa mAnate haiN| krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha ko bhI AtmA ke guNa mAnate haiN| vaha to dRr3haprahArI thA na!* dRr3haprahArI kahate the na ? usane gAya ko mAra diyA, to aba vaha to bhayaMkara nirdayI thA / brAhmaNa ko mAra diyA aura phira garbhavatI brAhmaNI ko mAra diyaa| aisA karate hI vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiN| dayA, itanI z2abaradasta dayA, bacce ko tar3apatA huA dekhA, vaha dekhate hI dayA aaii| vaha vyatireka guNa kahalAtA hai / donoM ke milane se, to yaha vyatireka guNa koI sikhAne nahIM gayA thA varnA bhayaMkara nirdayI vyakti thA / kisI jagaha para dayA hI nahIM AtI thI / praznakartA : to phira vyatireka guNoM ke utpanna hone se itane sAre loga duHkhI ho gae? dAdAzrI : hue hI haiM na ! svabhAva meM koI duHkha hai hI nahIM, vibhAva meM hI nire duHkha haiM I *zAstroM meM udAharaNa hai /

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa jaise yadi sTIma kola (koyalA) zora macAe, 'dekho mujhe ThaMDa laga rahI hai, dekho ThaMDa laga rahI hai!' to hama kyA kaheMge? 'are bhAI, terI vajaha se to balki saba kI ThaMDa gAyaba ho jAtI hai! tujhe kaise ThaMDa laga sakatI hai?' yadi ye sUryanArAyaNa zora macAe~ ki 'mujhe ThaMDa laga rahI haiM, ThaMDa laga rahI haiM!' taba ve to sirpha eka sUryanArAyaNa haiM lekina yaha AtmA to haz2AroM sUryanArAyaNa haiM, vahA~ para yadi ve khuda kaheM ki 'mujhe ThaMDa laga rahI hai ! or3hAo, oddh'aao|' kyA aisA nahIM kahate ho sardI kI ThaMDa meM? aura phira kahatA hai ki kaDAkedAra ThaMDa par3I! are bhAI, ThaMDa tere Upara kaise par3a sakatI hai? ThaMDa to garama cIz2a para par3atI hai yA ThaMDI cIz2a para? tU na to garama hai, na hI ThaMDA, tujha para ThaMDa kaise par3a sakatI hai? lekina dekho mAna baiThe haiM, dekho mAna baiThe haiM ! itanI roMga bilIpheM bharI huI haiM ki inakA aMta hI nahIM AtA! yaha jo vibhAvika hai, yaha to vyavahAra hI hai| pratikSaNa udaya badalate rahate haiN| aba, phira usameM bhI virodhAbhAsa rahatA hai| svabhAva meM virodhAbhAsa nahIM hai, avirodhAbhAsI hai| use koI duHkha sparza nahIM krtaa| eTamabama gire to bhI chu nahIM sakatA, aisA hai yaha svAbhAvika nishcy| yA phira vaha eTamabama koI nukasAna nahIM phuNcaataa|| aMta meM to alaga rakhanA hai, jItanA nahIM hai praznakartA : dAdA, yahA~ para (isa pustaka meM) zabda 'jIta saMgadoSA' kahA huA hai| jItane ko kahA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : Apa jo kahate haiM, usameM alaga rakhanA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jItanA to nimna stara kA hai, jaba taka nimna sTeja meM hai taba taka jItanA hai| nimna sTainDarDa meM bhI aMta meM to alaga hI honA pdd'egaa| yaha jo saMgadoSa huA, vaha kisake adhIna hai? saMgadoSa kA chUTanA kisake adhIna hai ? bahuta samaya bAda saMgadoSa chUTatA hai| saMgadoSa hone ke bAda meM caurAsI lAkha yoniyoM meM to janma hotA hI hai lekina kitanI hI

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) bAra aMdara yoniyoM meM ghUmatA rahatA hai, to vaha kisake adhIna hai? vaha niyati ke adhIna hai| 'vyatirekI guNa TADhA, nija satsaMga meN|' ___ jo vyatireka guNa haiM, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ve saba nija satsaMga meM arthAt AtmA ke satsaMga meM saba bilkula zAMta ho jAte haiN| yahA~ para ve vyatireka guNa kaba chUTeMge, jaba khuda kI dRSTi khuda ke svabhAva kI ora ho jAegI, taba chuutteNge| abhI jo dRSTi hai, vaha vizeSa pariNAma meM hai isalie krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna ho jAte haiN| jJAnI usa dRSTi ko badala dete haiM aura jaba se dRSTi svAbhAvika huI tabhI se mukta ho jAegA! aba vyatireka doSoM ke utpanna hone se isa zarIra kI racanA ho jAtI hai| unheM khuda ko usameM rahanA par3atA hai, koI cArA hI nahIM hai na! aura vyatireka doSa kisa taraha se baMda ho sakate haiM? jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba donoM alaga ho jAte haiM, to vyatireka doSa cale jAte haiN| phira (nayA) zarIra nahIM miltaa| praznakartA : yaha jo jar3a aura cetana se vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiM, ve vyavasthita zakti kI vajaha se hI haiM na? dAdAzrI : vyavasthita zakti, vaha to bAda meM utpanna huI cIz2a hai| hama to usakI Diz2Aina ko aisA kahate haiM ki yaha vyavasthita hai, bAkI yaha to donoM kI upasthiti se apane Apa utpanna ho hI jAtA hai, niyama se ho hI jAtA hai| praznakartA : jar3a aura cetana ke saMyogoM se jo vyatireka guNa utpanna hote haiM, ve vyatireka guNa utpanna nahIM hoM, donoM alaga raheM, usake lie hameM kyA kaMTrola karanA cAhie? kisa taraha se karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : vaisA kucha karane kA nahIM rhaa| alaga hue, donoM dUra ho ge| jisakA saMyoga chUTa gayA, isakA matalaba alaga ho gyaa| vaha

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa 57 apane Apa alaga nahIM ho sakatA, mukta puruSa chur3avA dete haiN| jo inase mukta ho cuke haiM, ve chur3avA dete haiN| yahI niyama hai iskaa| amala, vahI hai mohanIya __jaise ki yahA~ para nagInadAsa nAma kA koI vyakti hai, vaha pUre gA~va kA seTha hai aura pUrA gA~va usakI tArIpha karatA hai ki, 'nagInadAsa seTha kI to bAta hI alaga hai| sabhI kI helpa karate haiM, saba kAma karate haiM, lekina rAta ko sAr3he ATha bajate hI ve itanI z2arA sI pIte haiN| usase koI takalIpha nahIM hotI, nukasAna nahIM hotA, z2arA sI pIte haiN| lekina eka dina unakA phrenDa A gyaa| usane kahA, 'dUsarI pyAlI lenI par3egI', to unhoMne dUsarI pyAlI lI to car3ha gii| aba car3hegI yA nahIM car3hegI? taba phira ve nagInadAsa raheMge yA kucha badalAva ho jAegA? praznakartA : vaha parezAnI hai| dAdAzrI : phira ve kyA kahate haiM, 'maiM to pradhAnamaMtrI huuN'| taba kyA hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki, 'ina para kucha asara ho gayA hai| inheM kucha ho gayA haiN| kisakA asara hai? pyAlI kaa| isI prakAra se isa pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ke dabAva kA asara ho gayA hai yaha saaraa| usase vyatireka guNa utpanna ho ge| jo AtmA ke bhI nahIM haiM aura jar3a ke bhI nahIM haiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura use kama zabdoM meM kahane jAe~ to 'maiM' aura 'merApana' utpanna huaa| yaha jo pUrI gAr3I cala rahI hai, AtmA usakA bhI jJAtA-dRSTA hai| abhI bhI hai lekina apanI mAnyatA badalatI nahIM hai na! mAnyatA jaba badalatI hai taba yaha jo upAdhi (parezAnI) hai, vaha upAdhi chUTa jAtI hai, jaise ki jaba zarAba kA nazA utara jAtA hai na, usake bAda nagInadAsa vApasa jaise the vaise hI ho jAte haiN| utara jAe to ho jAe~ge yA nahIM ho jAe~ge? taba taka 'pradhAnamaMtrI hU~' vagairaha ulTAsulTA bolate rahate haiN| yaha upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha) hai, parAI upAdhi hai yh| dekhI hai aisI upAdhi? praznakartA : dekhI hai, anubhava kI hai|

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8/ AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : aisA? jaba amala (asara) utArane ke saMyoga mileMge taba amala utara jaaegaa| yaha bhI amala hI hai na! vaha zarAba kA amala car3hA hai aura yaha jo khAtA hai, pItA hai, roz2a usakA amala car3hatA rahatA hai, amala meM hI ghUmatA rahatA hai| vaisA hI amala hai yaha, lekina bhrAMti hai yaha, vaha bhI bhrAMti kahalAtI hai| seTha ulTA bolate haiM na? praznakartA : ulTA hI bolate haiN| dAdAzrI : aura phira utara jAne ke bAda? praznakartA : sIdhA bolate haiN| dAdAzrI : hama kaheM ki 'Apane aisA kahA thA sAhaba?' taba ve kaheMge, 'sAlI ye pI lI thI isalie, nahIM to kyA maiM kabhI aisA karU~gA! maiM aisA nahIM bola sktaa'| AtmA kI vahI dazA huI hai| AtmA kA kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai| AtmA to vaisA hI hai| seTha kA bhI kucha nahIM bigar3A thaa| seTha bhI vaise hI the| yaha jJAna bigar3a gayA thA unkaa| isameM jJAna bigar3atA hai aura usameM darzana bigar3atA hai| vaha ulTA hI dikhAtA hai| jaisA dikhAI detA hai, vaisA hI bolatA hai na phir| praznakartA : arthAt puruSa aura prakRti kA saMyoga ho gayA na? dAdAzrI : khuda hai puruSa, AtmArUpI hai, bhagavAna hI hai khuda lekina dabAva se yaha prakRti bana gii| jaise ki ve seTha, 'maiM pradhAnamaMtrI hU~', aisA kaha rahe the, AsapAsa vAle sabhI cauMka jAte haiM ki, 'seTha aisA kaha rahe haiM!' isI prakAra se (vyavahAra) AtmA bahuta dabAva kI vajaha se vizeSa bhAva meM A jAtA hai| vizeSa bhAva arthAt 'yaha saba kisane kiyA? maiM hI hU~ karane vAlA', aisA saba bhAna utpanna hotA hai aura usI se apane Apa hI prakRti bana jAtI hai| kisI ko banAne kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| prakRti apane Apa hI kisa taraha se bana jAtI hai, vaha maiMne dekhA hai| maiM dekhakara batA rahA hU~ isa prakRti ke bAre meN| isIlie isa vijJAna kA khulAsA ho rahA hai na, nahIM to khulAsA hogA hI nahIM na? koI bhI kisI cIz2a kA kartA nahIM hai|

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa 59 praznakartA : yaha jo bhrAMti khar3I ho gaI hai, yaha jo mAyA utpanna ho gaI hai, kyA yahI vaha vizeSa bhAva hai? dAdAzrI : mAyA arthAt eka prakAra kI ajJAnatA, 'khuda kauna hU~', usakI ajnyaantaa| usa vizeSa bhAva meM se utpanna huA, 'maiM' aura 'maiM kara rahA huuN| praznakartA : ahaMkAra aura mohanIya karma, ina donoM kA z2arA vizleSaNa karake smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : mohanIya karma aura ahaMkAra donoM alaga haiN| vaha jo zarAba pI, usase mohanIya utpanna huaa| arthAt jo ahaMkAra thA, vaha mohanIya kI vajaha se hI, 'maiM rAjA hU~', aura aisA saba kahatA hai| pahale, 'maiM nagInadAsa seTha hU~', the aura aba yaha ulTA-sIdhA bola rahe haiM, unhoMne zarAba pI lI hai islie| usI prakAra se yaha pudgala kI zarAba hai| praznakartA : zarAba kA asara hone se aise saMyoga khar3e ho gae, to janma-maraNa vAle ve saMyoga kaise hote haiM? vaha z2arA vizeSa rUpa se smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : AtmA ko ghUmanA hI nahIM pdd'taa| AtmA to apane svabhAva meM hI hai| yaha to ghanacakkara (ahaMkAra) ghUmatA hai| kauna ghUmatA hai ? 'sAhaba, mujhe pApa lagA, mujhe puNya milA', vaha ghUmatA rahatA hai| maiMne kiyA, maiMne bhogA', vaha kauna hai, use pahacAnate ho Apa? sirpha igoiz2ama hI hai| jisake igoiz2ama kA nAza ho gayA ki, use AtmA prApta ho gyaa| yaha igoiz2ama to eka laphar3A hai, jo khar3A ho gayA hai| nahIM hai AtmA kI koI vaMzAvalI praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM ki, 'Apa caMdUbhAI, inake haz2abenDa ho, inake phAdara ho, inake mausA ho', ye saba eka zuddhAtmA kI hI vaMzAvalI hai na? bahuta sAre AtmAoM ne ikaTThe hokara ulajhana meM DAla

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60 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) diyA hai| yoM to eka hI zuddhAtmA hai, phira ye aMtara AtmA aura bahiAtmA aura pratiSThita AtmA aura phalAnA aise kanphyUz2ana bar3hatA jA rahA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha to Apako samajhAne ke lie kahA hai ki yaha kauna sA AtmA hai? to jo bahirmukhI hai, vaha muDhAtmA hai| jaba taka use isa saMsAra kA koI sukha cAhie taba taka mUr3hAtmA hai, jIvAtmA hai| praznakartA : lekina mUla AtmA kI hI vaMzAvalI hai na yaha saba? dAdAzrI : vaMzAvalI hai hI nhiiN| vahA~ para to koI kisI kA beTA nahIM hai| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA ko to kucha bhI sparza nahIM karatA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : to yaha sArA mujhe jaMjAla jaisA lagatA hai| yaha mUr3hAtmA aura phalAnA AtmA, DhIkanA AtmA, eka hI mUla vastu hai, shuddhaatmaa| dAdAzrI : hA~! lekina jaba se vaha jAnane lagatA hai ki zuddhAtmA (mUla AtmA) ko kucha sparza hI nahIM karatA, tabhI se 'vaha' ('maiM') 'zuddhAtmA' hone lagatA hai| lekina jaba taka aisA samajhatA hai ki zuddhAtmA ko sparza karatA hai, taba taka jIvAtmA rahatA hai| aba zuddhAtmA hone ke bAda meM zuddhAtmA to niraMtara zuddha hI rahatA hai, hamezA ke lie| vaha pada hama apane AsapAsa ke mAhaula ke AdhAra para dekha sakate haiM ki, ohoho! kisI ko duHkha nahIM hotA, kisI ko aisA nahIM hotA isalie hama zuddha ho gae haiN| jitanI azuddhi, utanI hI sAmane vAle ko ar3acana aura khuda ko add'cn| khuda kI ar3acana kaba miTatI hai ? jaba 'yaha' jJAna milatA hai tb| aura jaba khuda se sAmane vAle kI ar3acana miTa jAe taba apanA pUrNa ho jaaegaa| ajJAna to khar3A ho gayA vastuoM kA svabhAva aisA hai ki unake apane-apane pariNAma alaga

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa haiM aura do vastuoM ko naz2adIka lAne se tIsarA hI pariNAma utpanna ho jAtA hai| 61 praznakartA: dAdA, isakA artha aisA huA na ki, jJAna thA, ajJAna thA, ye donoM pAsa-pAsa Ae isalie ... dAdAzrI : (mUla AtmA meM) ajJAna to thA hI nahIM / ajJAna jaisI cIz2a hI nahIM thI / yaha ajJAna to khar3A ho gayA hai / jaise ki ve seTha jaba zarAba pIte haiM na, to zarAba pIne se pahale kucha thA ? praznakartA : nahIM thA / dAdAzrI : vaisA hI hai / usakA asara ho gayA hai| 'usa para' saMyogoM kA asara ho gayA hai / praznakartA : akAraNa to kucha hotA hI nahIM hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM ! kAraNa meM, use saMyoga mile isalie ho gayA / aba saMyogoM se mukta ho jAegA to chUTa jAegA / praznakartA : arthAt jJAna ke sAmane saMyoga A gayA ? dAdAzrI : hA~! AtmA aura dUsare saMyoga / (svAbhAvika) jJAna, vaha (mUla) AtmA hai aura dUsare saMyoga mila gae isalie bhrAMti utpanna huI / praznakartA : ata: use saMyogoM kA sparza huA ? dAdAzrI : saMyogoM kA dabAva AyA / (isalie vizeSa bhAva, 'maiM', vyavahAra AtmA, utpanna ho gayA / ) praznakartA : kyoMki AtmA para to koI asara nahIM hotA phira bhI asara kyoM huA ? dAdAzrI : huA na asara / ( vyavahAra AtmA para ) asara hue bagaira rahegA hI nahIM na! phira bhI (mUla) AtmA jaisA thA vaisA hI hai / sirpha bilIpha hI badalI hai /

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AptavANI - 14 bhAga-1) praznakartA : kisakI bilIpha badalI hai ? jJAna kI bilIpha ? dAdAzrI : hA~, (dabAva kI vajaha se vibhAva hone se usakA jJAna vibhAvika ho gayA) jJAna kI sirpha bilIpha hI badalI hai / jaise ki ve seTha the na, ve aisA kahate haiM ki, 'maiM nagInadAsa seTha hU~', phira vApasa 'sayAjIrAva mahArAja hU~', aisA kahate haiM, zarAba pIne ke baad| yaha udAharaNa to yahA~ para dikhAI detA hai lekina vahA~ para kyA hotA hai, vaha samajha meM nahIM aataa| ve saMyoga jaba chUTa jAe~ge taba mukta hogA / 62 praznakartA : lekina jJAna aisI cIz2a hai ki use koI bhI cIz2a sparza nahIM karatI, usa para koI asara nahIM hotA / dAdAzrI : (svAbhAvika jJAna aura mUla AtmA para) usa para asara nahIM huA hai| yaha to ApakI apanI mAnyatA meM Apa (vyavahAra AtmA arthAt 'maiM') khuda alaga ho gae ho / praznakartA : lekina vaha mAnyatA kisakI hai phira ? dAdAzrI : 'ApakI' mAnyatA, roMga bilIpha hI hai yaha sirpha / bAkI kucha nahIM hai| AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM huA hai / yaha bilIpha hI roMga ho gaI hai| vaha roMga bilIpha nikala jAegI to ho jAegA / praznakartA : to aisI roMga bilIpha rakhane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : rakhane vAlA koI nahIM hai, yaha dabAva hai / do vastue~ apanA-apanA svabhAva hI batAtI haiM / do vastuoM ko sAtha meM rakhane se tIsarA hI pariNAma utpanna ho jAtA hai| sAinTisTa isa bAta ko samajha sakate haiN| roMga bilIpha utpanna ho gaI, vizeSa pariNAma se praznakartA : yadi AtmA ke guNa svataMtra hI haiM to phira ye duHkhoM kA saMyojana kise ho rahA hai ? aura yadi isa prakAra se AtmA meM yaha jo 'dekhanA' hai to phira usane apanA yaha 'dekhane' kA guNa kaise kho diyA ? dAdAzrI : Apako kucha huA hI nahIM hai, lekina Apane mAna

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa liyA hai| itanA adhika mAna liyA hai, itanA sAikolaoNjikala iphekTa ho gayA hai ki usI rUpa ho gae ho| praznakartA : yaha mAnA kisane hai? Atma tattva ne aisA mAnA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, Atma tattva nahIM hai| praznakartA : to phira Apa jo 'mujhe' kaha rahe haiM, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : yaha vizeSa guNa utpanna huA hai na, vahI mAna rahA hai| aura 'Apa' vizeSa guNa meM ho| 'Apa' apane svabhAva meM se alaga ho gae ho| praznakartA : arthAt AtmA ke svabhAva meM 'haTane kA guNa' hai ? usameM se vaha haTa sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : haTa hI gayA hai na yaha sb| phira bhI AtmA kA doSa nahIM hai| AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI hai| praznakartA : yaha roMga bilIpha kise ho gaI hai? dAdAzrI : jo bhoga rahA hai use| jo roMga bilIpha bhogatA hai, use huI hai| praznakartA : abhI to hama bhoga rahe haiN| dAdAzrI : 'use' inTaresTa hai isalie yaha saba bhoga rahA hai| roMga bilIpha meM 'yaha merI vAipha hai, maiM isakA sasura hU~, maiM mAmA hU~, cAcA hU~', aura isa prakAra se jo inTaresTa AtA hai na, usa bilIpha kI vajaha se hI yaha jagat banA hai aura rAiTa bilIpha se jagat asta ho jaaegaa| roMga bilIpha se hI zAdI karatA hai, vidhura hotA hai, ghara basAtA hai, beTe kA bApa banatA hai, dAdA banatA hai, yaha saba roMga bilIpha se hai| praznakartA : yaha roMga bilIpha hI vizeSa pariNAma hai yA vizeSa pariNAma ke kAraNa roMga bilIpha ho gaI hai| dAdAzrI : vizeSa pariNAma ke kAraNa hI roMga bilIpha utpanna ho gaI hai|

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64 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : yA phira yaha vizeSa pariNAma hI roMga bilIpha hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha roMga bilIpha nahIM hai| praznakartA : arthAt vizeSa pariNAma se utpanna ho gaI hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : arthAt isakA artha aisA huA ki, pahale jaba vizeSa pariNAma hotA hai usa samaya roMga bilIpha nahIM hotI lekina phira roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : jo vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai, use roMga bilIpha se lenA-denA nahIM hai lekina use' bahuta dabAva mahasUsa hotA hai isalie ('maiM' ko) roMga bilIpha ho jAtI hai ki, 'are, yaha saba kauna kara rahA hai?' kahatA hai 'maiM hI kara rahA huuN| aisI bhrAMti ho jAtI hai isalie bilIpha bigar3a jAtI hai| bilIpha bigar3ane kI vajaha se saMsAra kAyama hai aura bilIpha sudhara jAe to saMsAra baMda ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : arthAt jo vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai, vaha do vastuoM ke naz2adIka Ane se, vaha bhI svAbhAvika rUpa se ho hI jAtA hai na, aisA huA na? dAdAzrI : svAbhAvika rUpa se ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : ataH usameM roMga bilIpha kA koI savAla hI nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : aMdhere meM pAnI ke glAsa ke badale zarAba kA glAsa pI liyA, phira vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho jAegA yA nahIM? praznakartA : ho jAegA, usakA asara hogA na! usakA asara chor3egA nhiiN| dAdAzrI : isa taraha yaha sArA vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho jAtA hai|

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(1.5) anvaya guNa-vyatireka guNa praznakartA : to isameM yaha jo tAttvika vijJAna hai, isameM aisA kyA hotA hai ? Apane yaha jo udAharaNa diyA na ki, pAnI ke bajAya zarAba kA glAsa pI liyA, usI prakAra se ina cha: tattvoM kI bAta meM aisA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : dUsare pA~ca tattvoM ke parivartana se usa para dabAva AtA hai| usa dabAva ko lekara aisA lagatA hai ki, 'yaha maiM kara rahA hU~ yA phira kauna kara rahA hai?' vaha svAbhAvika guNa nahIM hai uskaa| praznakartA : lekina zuruAta meM AtmA jo ki zuddha svarUpa meM thA, vaha aise asara meM kyoM A gayA? dAdAzrI : abhI bhI zuddha hI hai| usa dina bhI zuddha hI thA, Aja bhI zuddha hai aura jaba dekho taba zuddha hI rhegaa| praznakartA : lekina ajJAna se mukta thA, zuruAta kI sthiti meM... dAdAzrI : vaha abhI bhI ajJAna se mukta hI hai| vaha kabhI bhI ajJAna vAlA huA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : ataH yaha jo vibhAva hai, vaha vaijJAnika hai| aba saba kliyara ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : vaha kliyara hue bagaira to mana kA samAdhAna hI nahIM hogA na! seTa honA cAhie na!

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[6] vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna ajJAna bhI jJAna hI hai vibhAva arthAt mUla jJAna, khuda kA jJAna to hai hI lekina yaha vizeSa jJAna utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : to usa para Apatti kyoM uThAnI hai, vizeSa jJAna para? dAdAzrI : Apatti kaisI? praznakartA : jJAna hai aura usameM vRddhi huI hai, vizeSa jnyaan| dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! vRddhi nahIM! vizeSa jJAna yAnI ki jo nahIM jAnanA thA, vaisA jJAna utpanna ho gayA hai| jisakI z2arUrata nahIM hai, vaisA jJAna utpanna ho gayA hai| azuddha kisalie ho gayA hai? to vaha, 'vizeSa jJAna meM pha~sa gayA hai isalie azuddha hotA gayA aura svAbhAvika jJAna meM AyA tabhI se zuddha hotA calA gyaa| vizeSa jJAna ko vibhAva jJAna kahate haiN| praznakartA : vizeSa bhAva se ho sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vizeSa jJAna arthAt ajJAna ko bhI jJAna kahA jAtA hai| arthAt sAMsArika bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| zAdI karatA hai, sasura banatA hai, sAsa banatA hai, dAdI sAsa banatA hai, buA sAsa banatA hai| aura sirpha bheda DAlane ke lie use ajJAna kahate haiM, bAkI yaha vizeSa jJAna hai|

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna hama samajhate haiM ki 'bhAI! yaha ajJAna hai aura yaha jnyaan'| bAkI, ajJAna hamezA aMdhakAramaya hotA hai lekina yaha ajJAna to prakAza hai, kSayopazama prakAza hai| pUrNa prakAza nahIM hai, yaha kSayopazama hai! ataH yaha vizeSa bhAva hai| aba yahA~ se kaba chUTegA? to kahate haiM ki, jaba khuda ke nija svarUpa kA bhAna ho jAegA taba vApasa mUla guNa meM A jaaegaa| taba yaha sArA vApasa khatma ho jaaegaa| yadi yaha svabhAva meM pariNAmita nahIM hotA to phira vaha vastu hI nahIM hai| hamezA ke lie parabhAva meM nahIM rhtaa| parabhAva sirpha AtmA ke lie hI hotA hai aura vaha ajJAna pariNAma hai| use hama vizeSa pariNAma kahate haiN| eka vyakti kI A~kheM to bahuta acchI haiM, vaha aMdhA to nahIM hai lekina jAte-jAte ekadama se koharA chA jAe na, to pA~ca phuTa Age calane vAlA vyakti bhI dikhAI nahIM detaa| aisA hotA hai yA nahIM? ye saba pariNAma aise hI haiN| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiM ye| hamane isa jagat ko jaisA hai vaisA dekhakara btaayaa| ina sabhI saMyogoM kA dabAva hai| usameM jaba AtmA para z2arA sA bhI dabAva A jAe taba usakA asara hotA hai, iphekTa hotA hai| aniphekTiva hone ke bAvajUda bhI iphekTa hotA hai| jabaki AtmA to svAbhAvika jJAna se bAhara kabhI gayA hI nahIM, kriyA meM to gayA hI nahIM kabhI bhii| lekina khuda kA jo jJAna-darzana svabhAva hai, vaha darzana vibhAvika ho gyaa| apane sAtha kaI bAra kyA aisA nahIM hotA ki cakkara Ate haiM aura behoza ho jAte haiM ? A~kheM khulI hoM phira bhI agara koI hama se pUche ki, 'ApakA nAma kyA hai? ApakA nAma kyA hai?' to kucha bhI patA nahIM cltaa| taba loga kahate haiM na ki 'ise hoza nahIM hai'| to usase jaba itanA asara ho jAtA hai to yaha to kitanA bar3A asara ho cukA hai! AtmA para kaisA dabAva AyA hai| jo bhayaMkara AvaraNa lA deM aise saba saMyogoM kA dabAva aura phira ve sAre saMyoga kaise haiM? jaisA bhagavAna kA (vibhAvika) jJAna hotA hai, vahA~ para vaisA hI AkAra bana jAtA hai|

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68 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) mAtra dRSTi ko hI badalane se itanA bar3A saMsAra khar3A ho gayA to anya to kitanI sArI zaktiyA~ haiM ! yaha sAMsArika jJAna hai lekina vizeSa jJAna hai aura yaha vizeSa jJAna, yahI buddhi hai| yaha ajJAna kI ArAdhanA nahIM krtaa| yaha eka prakAra kA vizeSa jJAna hai| isa saMsAra meM yaha jo jJAna hai, vaha bilkula ajJAna hai| hama logoM se pUche ki 'Apa sabhI yaha ajJAna kara rahe ho?' to vaha kisa dRSTi se ajJAna hai? ki bhAI, adhyAtma kI dRSTi se ajJAna hai, varnA yaha jJAna hai yA ajJAna? praznakartA : jJAna hai| dAdAzrI : aba ye adhyAtma vAle ise 'ajJAna' kahate haiN| maiM nahIM kahatA ki, 'bhAI, kyoM bekAra hI karma bA~dha rahA hai?' yaha ajJAna hI kahalAtA hai| yaha jJAna aura yaha ajJAna / aba bhAI! pUrI duniyA ise khule taura para jJAna kahatI hai, aura tU use ajJAna kaha rahA hai? yaha vizeSa jJAna hai| AtmA kA hI jJAna hai lekina vizeSa jJAna hai| yAnI ki saMyogoM ke adhIna nayA vizeSa guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai| phira Age jAkara vaha saba AtA hai, yaha saMsAra dikhane lagatA hai hmeN| yaha sAMsArika jJAna bhI jJAna hai, ajJAna nahIM hai lekina yadi mokSa meM jAnA ho to yaha ajJAna hai| aura isa jJAna ko samajhanA caahie| praznakartA : arthAt yaha isa saMdarbha meM aisA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, isa saMdarbha meM hI to na! aura yaha vizeSa jJAna to utpanna ho gayA hai| vAstava meM vaha nahIM hai bhrAMti aba, jIva kA svarUpa ajJAnatA se hI bana gayA hai| jaise rAta ko hama akele hoM aura so jAe~ aura aMdara dUsare rUma meM pyAlA khar3akhar3Ae to ekadama se mana meM aisI bhrAMti ho jAtI hai ki, 'hamane jo bhUta ke bAre

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( 1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna ajJAna 69 meM sunA hai, vaha AyA hai yA kyA hai ?' to usase ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI hai yA nahIM ? to jaba se ghabarAhaTa hone lage taba se lekara rAta bhara rahatI hai / usI prakAra isa jIva kA udgama huA hai| aise bhrAMti se yaha gA~Tha par3a gaI hai ki, 'yaha maiM hI hU~, maiM hI kara rahA huuN'| tabhI se bhrAMti ho gaI hai to usakA aMtima sthAna kauna sA hai ? mUlataH khuda ko jo bhrAMti ho gaI hai aura gA~Tha par3a gaI hai, to aMta meM jaba vaha bhAna meM AtA hai to chUTa jAtI hai| kevalajJAna kyA hai? aMdara jo baiThe haiM ve zuddhAtmA isa prakRti ko dekhate hI rahate haiN| khuda kA jJAtA - dRSTApana eka samaya ke lie bhI nahIM cUke haiM / jaba se saMsAra kA AraMbha kAla hai, tabhI se 'dekha' aura 'jAna' rahe haiM lekina yaha eka bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai ki, 'maiM yaha hU~ yA vaha hU~?' tabhI se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gyaa| hama samajhAkara kisI kI bhrAMti dUra karate haiM lekina phira se bhrAMti khar3I hI rahatI hai kyoMki pahale kA cArja kiyA huA hai, to vaha use vApasa usa bha~vara meM DAla detA hai / isalie bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki samakita ho jAegA to kAma ho jAegA, nahIM to usI bha~vara meM... praznakartA : AtmajJAna kA aphATa (jo TUTe yA phaTe nahIM) piMDa hai, phira bhI bhrAMti meM kyoM par3a gayA ? dAdAzrI : aphATa piMDa kA matalaba kyA hai ? isakA artha kyA hai ? anNtjnyaan| phira bhI bhrAMti meM kyoM par3a gayA ? to kahate haiM ki, 'isa duniyA ko batAne ke lie use bhrAMti kahanA par3atA hai, vAstava meM bhrAMti nahIM hai'| yaha AtmA kA vibhAvika jJAna hai, yaha bhI eka jJAna hai / yaha bhrAMti nahIM hai lekina bhrAMti kA matalaba kyA hai, vaha spaSTa karane ke lie maiM Apako samajhAtA huuN| yaha vibhAva meM par3A huA AtmA hai / use duniyA ke loga rileTiva bhASA meM, bhrAMta bhASA meM bhrAMti kahate haiM / vAstava meM bhrAMti arthAt aMdara jaba duHkha utpanna hotA hai na, taba mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki, 'itanA saba jAnane ke bAvajUda bhI adaMra yaha jo hai, vaha kyA hai? ataH yaha kucha alaga hai| yaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai', ise kahate haiM bhrAMti / koI gA~Tha par3a

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(10 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) gaI hai| 'yaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai, yaha maiM nahIM huuN'| arthAt bhrAMti ho gaI AtmA nahIM bigar3A hai| yadi bhrAMti huI hotI to vApasa ThIka bhI nahIM ho pAtA lekina isa duniyA meM aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki bhrAMti hai| duniyA kI bhASA hai, lokabhASA hai| sTezana para khar3e hue hoM aura gAr3I naz2adIka se jAe taba cakkara A jAte haiM aura kucha dera bAda ve cakkara ThIka ho jAte haiN| lekina jaba tujhe anubhava ho jAegA usake bAda cakkara nahIM aaeNge| usI prakAra ye jo cakkara car3ha gae haiM, usameM kucha bhI huA hI nahIM hai| usameM to, Trena meM to bhrAMti ke cakkara Ate haiM aura ye sacamuca meM cakkara A gae haiN| ataH jJAnI puruSa kI z2arUrata hai| Trena vAle cakkara to pyAz2a suMghAne se khatma ho jAte haiM, usI prakAra jJAnI kucha suMghA dete haiM (AtmajJAna dete haiM) taba cakkara khatma ho jAte haiN| yaha to, AtmA aura saMyoga do hI haiN| ve saMyoga AtmA ko gAr3I ke pAsa khar3A karate haiM to cakkara A jAte haiN| isI prakAra ye saMyoga gAr3I jaise haiN| ye loga gAte haiM ki, hamAre karmoM ne hameM bA~dhA hai| nahIM! are, kucha bhI nahIM huA hai| mAtra z2arA cakkara Ae haiM (ajJAnatA ho gaI hai), ve utara jAe~ge to jaise kucha bhI huA hI nahIM hai| ye to jhUle (phlAyavhIla) meM baiThakara kahate haiM ki sabakucha ghUma rahA hai| nahIM bhAI! bAhara kucha bhI nahIM ghUma rahA hai, tU hI ghUma rahA hai| aisA hai ! jJAnI puruSa yaha saba dekhakara baiThe haiN| pharka, vizeSa bhAva aura vizeSa jJAna meM sthira bhAvoM ko jJAna guNa va darzana guNa kahA gayA hai| asthira bhAvoM ko paryAya kahA gayA hai| Ama Ae to Ama ko dekhatA aura jAnatA rahatA hai, khuda ke paryAyoM se| anya koI jJeya Ae to use dekhatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : vizeSa bhAva paryAyarUpI hI hue na? ve sthira bhAva nahIM haiM, ataH paryAyarUpI hue na?

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna dAdAzrI : nahIM! vizeSa bhAva, ve paryAya nahIM haiN| vizeSa bhAva kisI aura ke asara se utpanna hue bhAva haiN| anya vastu ke asara se, dUsarI vastu ke sAmIpya bhAva kI vajaha se utpanna hue bhAva, ve vizeSa bhAva kahalAte haiN| yadi sAmIpya na ho to kucha bhI nahIM hai| abhI apane mahAtmA vizeSa bhAva ko nahIM smjhte| kaI bAra batAyA z2arUra hai lekina samajhate nahIM haiM ki vizeSa bhAva kyA hai? praznakartA : vizeSa bhAva aura vizeSa jJAna meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : donoM zabdoM meM hI pharka hai, nahIM lagatA? vizeSa bhAva to sirpha ahaMkAra hai, 'maiN'| vizeSa jJAna kI bAta kA aura isakA, donoM kA koI lenA-denA hI nahIM hai| cacere bhAI-bahana bhI nahIM haiM aura dUra ke rizte meM bhI nahIM haiM, kucha bhI nahIM haiN| praznakartA : kyA aisA hai ki isa vizeSa jJAna ke utpanna hone se vaha vyatireka utpanna hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : vyatireka hone para hI vizeSa jJAna utpanna hotA hai| lekina vizeSa jJAna hone para vyatireka utpanna nahIM hotaa| vyatireka bApa (mukhya) hai| vizeSa bhAva to utpanna hone vAlA vyatireka guNa hai jabaki yaha to vizeSa jJAna hai aura jisa jJAna kI z2arUrata na ho use bIca meM lAne kA kyA artha hai ? hama vizeSa jJAna meM nahIM utarate haiM ki yaha nIma hai yA Ama hai yA amarUda hai vagairaha, nahIM to kaba aMta AegA? aura yadi aisA kaheM ki saba per3a haiM, to vaha jJAna hai| sAmAnya jJAna acchA hai na! sAmAnya jJAna ko darzana kahA gayA hai| aura darzana kI hI kImata hai mokSa meN| sAmAnya bhAva se rahanA caahie| pudagala meM vizeSa jJAna dekhane jAte haiM, 'yaha kyA hai, yaha kyA hai?' praznakartA : jaba khuda kI, dekhane vAle kI dRSTi meM bheda rahe taba pakSapAta dikhAI detA hai na? dAdAzrI : jaba khuda ko vizeSa jJAna dekhane kI icchA hotI hai na,

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) tabhI use bheda dikhAI detA hai| vizeSa jJAna to kahA~ taka jAtA hai? ki, yaha to kAlA hai, yaha to gorA hai, yaha to laMbA hai, yaha to ThiganA hai, yaha to moTA hai, yaha to patalA hai| vizeSa jJAna kA to aMta hI nahIM AtA na! ataH darzana se dekhanA hai saba, sAmAnya bhAva se| ataH hamArA darzana ke alAvA anya kahIM upayoga nahIM rahatA, niraMtara upayoga rahatA hai| hama ghar3I bhara ke lie bhI, eka minaTa ke lie bhI upayoga se bAhara nahIM rhte| AtmA kA upayoga rahatA hI hai| vidhiyA~ karate samaya bhI hameM AtmA kA upayoga rahatA hai| ___ 'jJAna' eka hI hai, usake bhAga alaga-alaga haiN| hama isa 'rUma' ko dekheM to 'rUma' aura 'AkAza' ko dekheM to 'AkAza', lekina 'jJAna' to vahI kA vahI hai ! jaba taka yaha vizeSa jJAna dekhatA hai, sAMsArika jJAna dekhatA hai, taba taka AtmA dikhAI hI nahIM detA aura AtmA jAnane ke bAda meM donoM dikhAI dete haiN| yadi AtmA ko nahIM jAne to kucha bhI nahIM dikhAI degA, sabhI aMdhe! praznakartA : AtmA to jJAna vAlA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda hI jJAna hai| khuda jJAna vAlA nahIM hai, jJAna hI hai khuda! yadi use jJAna vAlA kaheMge to 'jJAna' aura 'vAlA', ye do alaga khlaaeNge| yAnI ki AtmA khuda hI jJAna hai, vaha khuda hI prakAza hai! usa prakAza ke AdhAra para yaha sabhI dikhAI detA hai| usa prakAza ke AdhAra para yaha saba 'use' samajha meM bhI AtA hai aura 'vaha' jAnatA bhI hai| vaha jAnatA bhI hai aura use samajha meM bhI AtA hai! vibhAva ke bAda prakRti aura puruSa jar3a aura cetana, donoM ke sAtha meM rahane se donoM ke vizeSa guNadharma utpanna ho gae haiN| usameM se yaha pUrA kArakhAnA khar3A ho gyaa| praznakartA : isI ko prakRti aura puruSa kahA jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! bAda meM isameM se prakRti aura puruSa bne| prakRti

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna jar3a hai lekina phira isakA pariNAma aayaa| vizeSa pariNAma kA jo rijalTa AyA na, vaha prakRti hai| vizeSa pariNAma meM saba se pahale 'maiM' banA, phira usameM se prakRti bnii| jar3a aura cetana, donoM pha~sa gae haiM isalie prakRti rUpa huaa| praznakartA : ye pA~coM tattva prakRti ke adhIna haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha saba, vahI prakRti hai| jo pA~ca tattvoM se banI hai, vaha prakRti hai| usameM AtmA kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai| yahA~ usakA vaha vizeSa bhAva huA isalie prakRti bana gaI aura vaha phala detI hI rahatI hai nirNtr| aba prakRti aura puruSa donoM alaga kara die usake bAda asala puruSArtha zurU hotA hai| varnA jaba taka prakRti meM rahatA hai taba taka bhrAMta puruSArtha to calatA hI rahatA hai| bhrAMta puruSArtha! yaha jJAna dene ke bAda meM unakA sacce puruSa kA puruSArtha zurU huA hai| prakRti banI prasavadharmI, paramANuoM ke kAraNa yaha jagat niraMtara parivartanazIla hai| ina chaH tattvoM ke Amane-sAmane samAgama meM Ane se yaha sabakucha ho jAtA hai| yaha jagat binA kartA ke bana gayA hai| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa se bana gayA hai| cetana kA jJAna-darzana svAbhAvika thA, vaha apane samasaraNa mArga meM vibhAvika ho jAtA hai aura utanA hI bhAga sarjanAtmaka jagat ke rUpa meM dikhAI detA hai| usake alAvA zuddha cetana aura zuddha pudgala paramANu, ye donoM jaise haiM vaise hI haiN| paramANu prasavadharmI haiM isalie cetana tattva ke vibhAvika hote hI prakRti kA sarjana hotA hai| yAnI ki bAhara jo jagat dikhAI detA hai, usameM prakRti vAlA bhAga hI arthAt sarjana bhAga, visarjanAtmaka rUpa se dikhAI detA hai aura zuddha cetana aura zuddha pudgala paramANu (jar3a), jaise haiM vaise hI rahate haiN| isa duniyA meM yaha bhI bhrAMti kA bhAna hai ki 'maiM sarjana kara rahA huuN'| sarjana aura visarjana, ye donoM naicurala haiN| sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiN| isa prasavadharmI prakRti kI zakti bhagavAna se bhI kahIM adhika hai

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74 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) lekina caitanya zakti nahIM hai| isa prakRti meM aisA guNa hai ki cetana kA sparza karate hI vaha cArja ho jAtI hai| bAkI, AtmA ke guNadharma kabhI bhI nahIM bdlte| jJAna vibhAvika ho jAne se, prakRti prasavadharmI hone kI vajaha se, vaha cArja ho jAtI hai| vibhAva kA aura adhika vizleSaNa praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM ki, 'kaI bAra vizeSa bhAva ke bAre meM batAyA hai lekina abhI taka apane mahAtmA samajhate nahIM haiM ki vizeSa bhAva kyA hai ?' to vizeSa pariNAma ke aura adhika udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na, tAki sabhI ko samajha meM phiTa ho jaae| dAdAzrI : haaN| hama samudra ke kinAre, mAna lo samudra se AdhA mIla dUra hamane eka makAna banAyA ho, havA kA AnaMda lene ke lie aura vahA~ usa makAna meM do Traka bharakara nayA-nayA lohA DAla aaeN| phira caukIdAra se kaheM ki, 'bhAI, isa lohe kA z2arA ThIka se dhyAna rkhnaa'| phira hama do sAla ke lie phaoNrena cale gae lekina do sAla bAda jaba vApasa vahA~ para Ae~ge to lohe meM kucha pharka dikhAI degA yA nahIM? lohe para koI asara huA hotA hai? praznakartA : jaMga laga jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : kyoM? barasAta kA pAnI na Ae aisI jagaha para rakhA ho, DhakI huI jagaha ho phira bhI? praznakartA : jaMga laga jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : haM! Apako aisA bhaviSyajJAna kaise ho gayA? jaMga lagane kA? lohA Ane se pahale hI khuda ko bhaviSyajJAna rahatA hai, kyoMki anubhava ho cukA hai n| aba to yaha jaMga laga gayA, to aba Apa mujhe yaha batAo ki yaha jaMga kisane lagAyA? sAbita kara do| yaha jaMga kisakA hai aura kisakI icchA se huA? itanA-itanA jaMga laga jAtA hai ! hama kahate haiM

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna ki, 'merA yaha lohA aisA nahIM thaa| merA lohA kisane bigAr3A? goDAuna meM kauna ghusa gayA thA?' agara aise zora macAe~ to loga kyA kaheMge? praznakartA : samudra kI khArI havA se| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to hai lekina yaha kisane kiyA batAo na! samudra kI havA ne kiyA yA samudra ne kiyA yA lohe ne kiyA? praznakartA : jo use vahA~ para rakha AyA usne| dAdAzrI : usane kiyA yaha? praznakartA : lohA vahA~ para nahIM rakhA hotA to nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : duniyA meM loga use pakar3ate haiM, 'are bhAI, ise yahA~ para rakhA hI kyoM? isalie jaMga laga gyaa'| aisA nahIM hai| isa duniyA ke logoM ko yadi ekz2ekTa bhrAMti vAle ko DhUMDha nikAlanA ho ki kauna gunahagAra hai, to? praznakartA : jo vyakti rakhakara AyA kyA vaha gunahagAra nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : ve to apane hI loga haiN| jo A~khoM se dekhA ho, vaha A~khoM dekhA pramANa hai| dikhAI de, aisA pramANa hai| jo dikhAI de, vaisA pramANa nahIM clegaa| sAinTiphika eviDensa vAstava meM, ekz2ekTa honA caahie| saMsAra ke logoM ko yA korTa ko A~khoM dekhe eviDensa kI z2arUrata hai, yahA~ para to ekjekTanesa kI z2arUrata hai| Apa to ekadama se naukara ko nikAla doge| vaisA nahIM clegaa| sAinTiphika, vaijJAnika tarIke se acchI taraha jA~ca karanI cAhie ki bhAI, yaha kisane kiyA? kisane jaMga lagAyA? hU iz2a risponsibala? bolo ! maiM to aisA jAnatA bhI nahIM thA ki samudra ke kinAre rakhane se jaMga lagatA hI hai| isalie taba phira hama usa caukIdAra ko DA~Tate haiM ki, 'are, yaha tUne kyA kiyA lohe kA? yaha lohA to bilkula sApha thA, hAtha vagairaha nahIM bigar3ate the aura yaha kyA ho gayA? Upara kyA lagA diyA hai tUne?' taba caukIdAra kahatA hai, 'maiM kyA karU~ sAhaba, maiMne kucha bhI nahIM kiyA,

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) Apa mujhe kyoM DA~Ta rahe haiM ? vaha to yahA~ para rakhA to isameM jaMga lagegA hI' / ' are, lekina jaMga kisane lagAyA ?' phira kyA patA lagAte haiM ki yaha kisakA gunAha hai ? taba hameM AsapAsa vAle loga kaheMge ki samudra ke kinAre rakhA isalie aisA huA / 76 taba phira agara hama isa khArI havA se kaheM ki, 'tUne hamAre lohe ko kyoM bigAr3A ? hamane terA kyA nukasAna kiyA hai ?' taba khArI havA kahegI, 'maiM kahA~ bigAr3atI hU~ ? mujha para kyoM binA vajaha ke AkSepa lagA rahe ho? mujha meM bigAr3ane kA guNa hai hI nhiiN| maiM to apane svabhAva meM rahatI hU~, mujhe kyA lenA-denA ? yadi mujha meM bigAr3ane kA guNa hotA to maiM to hamezA bahatI rahatI hU~ lekina ina lakar3oM - vakar3oM ko kabhI kucha nahIM hotaa| yaha to, lohA aisA hai isa vajaha se aisA hotA hai, isameM hamArA kyA doSa ?' usane bhI samudra jaisA hI javAba diyA ki, 'sirpha ApakA yaha lohA hI aisI zikAyata karatA hai, anya koI aisI zikAyata nahIM karatA / ApakA lohA hI aisA hai, to maiM kyA karU~ ? aura kisI para aisA asara nahIM hotA / Apake lohe kI vajaha se aisA asara hotA hai / isameM hamArA doSa nahIM hai| Apake lohe kA doSa hogaa| Apa bekAra hI hameM kyoM DA~Ta rahe ho!' to phira vaha khArI havA gunahagAra siddha nahIM hotI / taba phira hama kahate haiM ki bAhara vAlA koI gunahagAra nahIM lgtaa| arthAt sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviddens| yaha z2aMga lohe ne nahIM lagAyA hai| bAkI, lohe meM jaMga lagane kA svabhAva nahIM hai / yadi jaMga lagane kA svabhAva hotA na, to Ara. sI. sI. ke aMdara DAle hue lohe ko agara sau sAla bAda bhI nikAlA jAe to ve saliye vaise ke vaise hI rahate haiN| usakA svabhAva aisA nahIM hai / use ye dUsare tattva mila jAe~ to ? Ara. sI.sI. meM jo hai tor3o na ! hamane tor3A huA hai| pacAsa sAla pahale DAle hue saliye bhI tor3e haiN| ekz2ekTa, jaise Aja kharIdane jAo, vaise / haM... isa para se Apako samajha meM AyA ki maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~? koI gunahagAra lagatA hai ? T praznakartA : yoM to koI gunahagAra nahIM dikhAI detA /

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna 77 dAdAzrI : phira bhI jisa prakAra se lohe para jaMga dikhAI detA hai, usI prakAra se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| jaMga hI hai ahaMkAra yaha AtmA to paramAtmA hai| jisa taraha lohe para jaMga laga gayA, kisI ne lagAyA nahIM hai, usI prakAra isameM 'maiM kartA hU~' aisI bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai| AtmA to usI dazA meM hai| ApameM jo AtmA hai na, vaha to mukta dazA meM hI hai| use koI ajJAnatA nahIM huI hai| yaha vizeSa guNa utpanna ho gayA hai| phira bhI AtmA meM koI badalAva nahIM huA hai| praznakartA : Apane yaha jo udAharaNa diyA hai, usakI tulanA AtmA ke sAtha kaise ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : isa AtmA ke sAtha yaha jar3a tattva hai| ye donoM ikaTThe ho gae haiM na, isalie ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : usI ko jaMga kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, jaise usameM jaMga laga gayA thA, usI prakAra yahA~ para ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA hai| hama usa ahaMkAra ko nikAla dete haiM, isalie vApasa rAha para A jAtA hai| hama davAI lagAkara (AtmajJAna dekara) ahaMkAra nikAla dete haiM to phira ho jAtA hai, kamplITa ho jAtA hai, phira ciMtAvarIz2a kucha nahIM hote| praznakartA : isa udAharaNa meM lohe ko AtmA kA pratIka mAna rahe haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, arthAt yaha jo Upara lagA hai na, vaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : yadi pUrA saMsAra vizeSa bhAva hai, to itanA to patA calanA cAhie na ki, 'yaha maiM khuda nahIM huuN| yaha vizeSa bhAva merA svarUpa nahIM hai, merA svarUpa to zuddha hai'|

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AptavANI - 14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : usa para kucha asara hI nahIM huA hai| hama jaba AtmajJAna dete haiM to zuddha ho jAtA hai / phira, 'yaha jaMga bhI merA svarUpa nahIM hai aura yaha saMyoga bhI merA svarUpa nahIM hai / ahaMkAra ne jhaMjhaTa karanA baMda kara diyA na! ahaMkAra se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai aura AtmajJAna ke bAda ahaMkAra baMda ho jAtA hai, vaha ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai / yaha to ApakA yaha bharA huA (DiscArja) ahaMkAra bola rahA hai, use Apa sacamuca kA ahaMkAra mAnate ho / 78 vizeSa bhAva se ahaMkAra utpanna huA, phira usameM se prakRti utpanna hotI hai| lohA lohe ke bhAva meM hai aura prakRti, prakRti ke bhAva meM hai / ina donoM ko alaga kara diyA jAe to lohA lohe kI jagaha para hai, prakRti, prakRti meM hai| jaba taka ekAkAra haiM taba taka jaMga bar3hatA hI rahegA, dinoMdina / isa mUla puruSa ko kucha bhI nahIM hotA / 'khuda' (maiM) khuda ke svabhAva ko bhUla gayA hai, khuda kA bhAna bhUla gayA hai| jaba taka vaha khuda kI jAgRti meM nahIM A jAtA taba taka 'vaha' prakRti bhAva meM rahA karatA hai| prakRti arthAt khuda ke svabhAva kI ajAgRti aura bhrAMti kI jAgRti, vaha prakRti kahalAtI hai / bhogane kI mAtra mAnyatA hai praznakartA : dAdA! lohA to sthUla cIz2a hai, usameM koI zakti nahIM hai jabaki AtmA to sarva zaktizAlI hai| use kisa prakAra se jaMga laga sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha sarva zaktimAna svabhAva meM nahIM AyA hai| anya saMyogoM ke dabAva meM hai na! phira bhI khuda ke guNadharma khoe nahIM haiN| vizeSa guNadharma utpanna ho gayA hai aura usameM se igoiz2ama utpanna ho gayA / duHkha kauna bhugatatA hai ? igoiz2ama bhugatatA hai / sukha kauna bhogatA hai ? igoiz2ama bhogatA hai| isameM AtmA bilkula bhI hAtha hI nahIM ddaaltaa| sabakucha yaha igoiz2ama hI bhogatA hai / igoiz2ama buddhi kI salAha se calatA hai /

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(1.6) vizeSa bhAva - vizeSa jJAna - ajJAna __ aba vAstava meM ahaMkAra sukha bhI nahIM bhogatA aura duHkha bhI nahIM bhugatatA, vaha to ahaMkAra hI karatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : jisa prakAra lohe para jaMga laga gayA usa prakAra... dAdAzrI : jo jaMga lagA, vaha to AtmA pr| AtmA se lenA-denA hai| yadi AtmA lohA hai to yaha ahaMkAra jaMga hai| lekina yaha jo ahaMkAra kahatA hai ki, 'maiMne bhogA', vaha usane bhogA hI nahIM hai| yaha to indriyoM ne bhogA hai aura khuda ahaMkAra karatA hai ki 'maiMne bhogA hai'| isalie kRSNa bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki 'indriya, indriya meM baratatI haiM, tU kisalie ahaMkAra kara rahA hai?' aura phira svabhAva se baratatI hai| yaha nahIM samajhane kI vajaha se bekAra hI mAra khAtA rahatA hai| na to kRSNa bhagavAna ko samajhate haiM, na hI mahAvIra bhagavAna ko samajhate haiN| ve sahI batAte haiM na! isalie sirpha bAta ko samajhane kI z2arUrata hai| jaMga utpanna hone ke bAda lohA lohe kA kAma karatA hai aura jaMga, jaMga kaa| lohA jaMga meM hAtha nahIM DAlatA, aura vaha jaMga lohe meM hAtha nahIM ddaaltaa| isI prakAra isameM, isameM kauna sA jaMga lagatA hai? vaha ahaMkAra (mUla aham) aura mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra, aMta:karaNa rUpI jaMga lagatA hai| to ve apanA kArya karate rahate haiN| AtmA, AtmA kA kArya karatA rahatA hai| jaba taka yaha (aMta:karaNa kA) kArya hai taba taka AtmA AiDala (udAsIna rUpa se) prakAza hI detA rahatA hai| jaba aMtaHkaraNa ke sabhI kAma khatma ho jAte haiM taba AtmA kA kAma zurU hotA hai| yA phira aMta:karaNa cala rahA ho aura jJAnI mila jAe~ aura ve kaheM ki 'are, tU yaha nahIM hai, tU ise dekha', to dekhanA zurU ho jAtA hai| vaha judA ho jAtA hai| Apa yadi dekhate raho ki 'caMdUbhAI kyA kara rahe haiM' to vaha jJAna kevalajJAna taka phuNcegaa|

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[7] chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva samasaraNa mArga meM... I isa jagat meM siksa iTarnala elimenTsa haiM / aura phira ye chaH tattva samasaraNa vAle haiN| samasaraNa arthAt niraMtara parivartanazIla haiN| parivartana hotA hai isalie ye jo cha: tattva haiM, unake, eka-dUsare ke naz2adIka Ane se sabhI avasthAe~ utpanna ho jAtI haiM aura unake pAsa-pAsa Ane para (ikaTThe hone para) vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai / yahA~ se vahA~ badalatA hI rahatA hai| usake AdhAra para sabhI vizeSa bhAva badalate rahate haiM aura usa vajaha se saba naI hI taraha kA dikhAI detA hai / isa jagat ke jo 'mUla tattva' haiM, ve 'svAbhAvika' haiM / ve jaba 'rileTiva' meM Ate haiM taba 'vibhAvika' ho jAte haiM / eka tattva dUsare tattva meM milatA nahIM hai, saba alaga hI rahate haiN| vidharmI hue haiM do hI praznakartA : jar3a aura cetana kA jo saMyoga huA aura jo vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA, to usa saMyoga ke hone se pahale jar3a aura cetana donoM alaga the ? I dAdAzrI : pahale se ikaTThe hI the| aisA nahIM hai ki pahale alaga the| pahale se aisA hI hai| jar3a va cetana kA saMyoga hai hI / ye sabhI chaH tattva sAtha meM hI haiN| inameM se inheM alaga kiyA jAe to saba apane-apane guNadharmoM meM A jAe~ge, varnA guNadharmoM meM nahIM aaeNge| ye chaH tattva sAtha meM hI haiM aura sabhI chaH tattvoM meM vidharma A gayA hai (vizeSa dharma pradarzita

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva karate haiM), lekina inameM se cAra vidharmI nahIM haiN| inake sAtha rahane ke bAvajUda bhI svadharma meM raha sakate haiM jabaki pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) va AtmA donoM vidharmI ho jAte haiM, bAkI ke cAra to vidharmI (vikRta) hote hI nahIM haiN| praznakartA : to AtmA kisa prakAra se vidharmI hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA vidharmI arthAt use bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA huuN'| aura pudgala paramANu vidharmI (prayogasA paramANu) yAnI ki pudgala paramANuoM meM se khUna nahIM nikalatA, mavAda nahIM bntaa| lekina pudgala paramANuoM ke raMga badalate haiN| lAla-pIlA-harA sabhI usake guNadharma haiN| lekina inameM jo guNadharma se bAhara haiM, ve (pudgala paramANu ke) vibhAvika guNa (mizrasA paramANu) haiN| jaise ki mavAda banatA hai aura pakatA hai aura aisA saba hotA hai| (vidharmI aura vibhAvika pudgala alaga hI hai|) chaH dravya, nahIM haiM kampAunDa ke rUpa meM praznakartA : eka tattva dUsare tattvoM ko kucha bhI nahIM kara sakatA, to yadi ve do tattva kampAunDa rUpI bana jAe~ to donoM ke orijanala guNadharma rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : orijanala guNadharma rahate haiM, tabhI anya kisI ko kucha nahIM kara sakate na! aura vaha kampAunDa nahIM banatA, mikscara ke rUpa meM hI rahatA hai| unameM se kisI ke bhI apane guNadharma nahIM bdlte| milate haiM, TakarAte rahate haiM, mikscara ho jAtA hai lekina kampAunDa nahIM bntaa| kampAunDa bana jAe to maiMne Apase udhAra liyA aura Apane mujhase udhAra le liyA, aisA ho jaaegaa| kisI kA kisI se lenA bhI nahIM hai aura denA bhI nahIM hai| koI jhaMjhaTa nahIM hai| sirpha milate haiM aura alaga hote haiN| yadi kampAunDa banatA to guNadharma badala jaate| anya kisI meM to kampAunDa banane kA (guNa) hai hI nahIM na, sirpha vibhAvika pudgala meM (usake khuda ke aMdara-aMdara) kampAunDa banatA hai| yadi Apa para kisI

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) bhI cIz2a kA asara hotA hai to phira bhagavAna mileMge hI nahIM na! (yaha jo pudgala hai, vaha tattva nahIM hai|) praznakartA : anAdi anaMta arthAt usakI Adi bhI nahIM hai aura aMta bhI nahIM hai, iTarnala? dAdAzrI : hA~, ittrnl| ve saba svabhAva se, sabhI svAbhAvika vastue~ iTarnala hotI haiM aura vibhAva se, sabhI vibhAvika cIjeM TemparerI hotI haiN| saMsAra kA kAraNa, chaH dravya haiM to saMsAra banA hai, nahIM to nahIM bntaa| chaH dravyoM meM se bhI yadi pudgala nahIM banatA to saMsAra banatA hI nhiiN| saMsAra meM jo kucha pA~ca indriyoM se anubhava kiyA jA sakatA hai, vaha saba pudgala prabhAva hai, varnA cetana meM kucha bhI nahIM bigar3a sakatA thaa| praznakartA : pudgala ne hI yaha saba kiyA hai ? dAdAzrI : isa pudgala ke rUpI bhAva ke kAraNa vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gyaa| pudgala khuda hI vizeSa pariNAma hai praznakartA : aba yadi AtmA nirlepa hai, AtmA asaMga hai to usa para jar3a vastu ke guNa lagate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, asaMga hI hai n| ApakA AtmA nirlepa hI hai| sabhI kA AtmA, jIvamAtra kA AtmA nirlepa hI hai aura yaha jo huA hai vaha vaijJAnika asara hai| praznakartA : isa padgala meM se AtmA alaga ho jAe to ye jo krodha-mAna-mAya-lobha haiM, to dUsare pA~ca tattvoM meM se kauna se tattva meM mila jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : kisI bhI tattva meM nahIM milte| usI ko bhagavAna ne pudgala kahA hai|

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(1.7) cha: tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva 83 praznakartA : usI ko vizeSa pariNAma kahA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vizeSa prinnaam| lekina ve pudgala ke mAne jAte haiM, AtmA ke nahIM mAne jaate| yaha pudgala to tattva hai hI nhiiN| ye paramANu tattva haiN| praznakartA : to pudgala vizeSa pariNAma hai? dAdAzrI : pudgala to, vizeSa pariNAma hai| paramANuoM se pudgala bnaa| pUraNa huaa| usakA vApasa galana hogaa| galana huA, pUraNa hogaa| pUraNa huA to galana hogaa| AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAma ke kAraNa isa vizeSa pariNAma kA AbhAsa hotA hai| hama darpaNa ke sAmane jo kucha bhI karate haiM, sAmane utanA hI pariNAma patA calatA hai na! usI prakAra se ye sAre vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiN| jJAnI naz2aroM se dekhakara kahate haiM... praznakartA : AtmA ko bhAva to hotA hI nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : hotA nahIM hai, phira bhI usakA mAnA jAtA hai na! upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) bhAva kI vajaha se mAnA to jAtA hai na! vaha utpanna hotA hai| usameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM nahIM lekina phira bhI utpanna hote haiN| ve upAdhi bhAva, ve to vyatireka guNa haiN| praznakartA : yAnI ki AtmA se lipaTe hue haiM ve| unheM saMbodhita karake athavA unake kanekzana meM yaha bAta ho rahI hai na? dAdAzrI : vizeSa guNa haiM ve| donoM ke milane se tIsarA guNa utpanna ho gyaa| yaha maiMne apanI naz2aroM se dekhA hai ki yaha vizeSa bhAva se utpanna huA hai aura Aja ke sAinTisToM ko yaha samajha meM A sakegA ki 'ApakI bAta karekTa hai'| praznakartA : to kyA Aja ke sAinTisTa itane hoziyAra ho gae haiM?

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AptavANI - 14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : hoziyAra yAnI ki ve isa paddhati se kahate haiM, paudgalika meM, bhautika meM kahate haiM / isa ( AdhyAtmika) paddhati ko nahIM jAnate / bhautika meM jastA jaste ke guNadharma meM rahatA hai / lohA lohe ke guNadharma meM rahatA hai lekina donoM ke sAtha meM rakhane se eka tIsarA nayA guNadharma utpanna ho jAtA hai| 84 pahalI bAra jaba z2amIna para barasAta hotI hai na, taba z2amIna meM se khUzbU AtI hai kyoMki do cIjeM eka sAtha AI isalie tRtiyam ho gayA, vizeSa pariNAma / usI prakAra se yaha vizeSa pariNAma hai / phira karma baMdhana hote samaya chaH tattva haiM praznakartA : jar3a aura cetana ke sAnidhya se yaha vizeSa bhAva ho jAtA hai| hama aisA kahate haiM na ! to vAstava meM kyA aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki chaH tattvoM ke sAnidhya se vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / do se hI bhrAMti utpanna hotI hai lekina bAkI ke cAra tattva helpa karate haiM usameM / praznakartA : hA~ ! lekina jaba vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai taba kyA anya tattvoM kI z2arUrata par3atI haiM ? dAdAzrI : vibhAva kI zuruAta ina donoM se hotI hai aura chaH tattvoM se, karma hote samaya ve chaH tattva ikaTThe ho jAte haiM / aisA hai na, phira jaba vaha karma hotA hai to usakI z2arUrata kA sabakucha vahA~ mila jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina vizeSa bhAva hone meM to do hI haiM na ? dAdAzrI : do kI hI z2arUrata hai / do hoM to bhI bahuta ho gayA / praznakartA : usake lie cha: kI z2arUrata nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : bAkI sabhI kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, bAkI saba mila jAte haiN| ye rUpI aura arUpI, yaha cetana arUpI hai aura yaha jar3a rUpI hai, to ina donoM ke saMyoga se yaha utpanna hotA hai|

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva praznakartA : hA~, vaha utpanna hotA hai na turaMta hii| dAdAzrI : aura phira anya tattva mila Ate haiN| lekina vaha tattva vibhAva hone meM madada nahIM krte| ve haiM to sahI lekina udAsIna bhAva se haiN| ye do tattva to, donoM vikRta ho jAte haiN| donoM se prakRti utpanna hotI hai| yaha jo pudgala hai, to jise hama pAvara vAlA kahate haiM, mizracetana kahate haiM, vaha sArA vikRta pudgala hai aura yaha jo vyavahAra AtmA hai, vaha vikRta AtmA hai| ina saba ke milane se hI yaha saba huA hai| vAstava meM AtmA to vaisA nahIM hai, vAstava meM pudgala bhI vaisA nahIM hai| yaha vikRti khar3I ho gaI hai| duniyA meM kisI karane vAle kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| isa jagat meM jo cIjeM haiM, ve niraMtara parivartanazIla haiN| unake AdhAra para sabhI bhAva badalate hI rahate haiM aura sabakucha naI hI prakAra kA dikhAI detA hai| chaH mUla vastuoM meM se jaba jar3a aura cetana, ye donoM sAmIpya meM Ate haiM taba vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai| bAkI ke cAra tattva kahIM bhI, kisI bhI prakAra se sAmIpya meM Ae~ taba bhI una para koI asara nahIM hotaa| ve cAroM udAsa (udAsIna) bhAva se haiN| jise jo karanA ho, corI karanI ho, usakI bhI udAsa bhAva se helpa karate haiM aura jise dAna denA ho, usakI bhI helpa karate haiN| ataH unheM khuda kA nahIM karanA hai| ve cAroM helpiMga haiM, lekina ye do hI mukhya haiM, jar3a aura cetn| nahIM koI kisI ke viruddha praznakartA : donoM tattva viruddhadharmI haiM, isake bAvajUda bhI kisa prakAra ikaTThe raha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : viruddhadharmI nahIM haiM, unake apane dharma alaga hai| viruddhadharmI koI bhI nahIM hai| Amane-sAmane koI virodha nahIM hai| sAtha meM raha sakate haiM, sabakucha kara sakate haiM lekina unake apane dharma alaga haiN| hara eka kA svataMtra dharma haiN| koI kisI meM koI rukAvaTa nahIM DAla

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) sakatA, aise haiM ye dhrm| koI kisI kI helpa nahIM kara sakatA, koI kisI meM dakhala nahIM kara sakatA, aise dharma vAle haiN| praznakartA : yahA~ para eka aura prazna hai ki kyA ye donoM tattva eka-dUsare kI helpa kara sakate haiM ? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM kara skte| kisI kA kisI se koI saMbaMdha hI nahIM hai, phira kisa prakAra se kara sakeMge? praznakartA : mizraNa ke rUpa meM sAtha rahate haiM na yA anya kisI prakAra se rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! koI helpa nahIM krtaa| koI kisI ke lie kucha nahIM karatA, nimitta haiN| unakI vajaha se hI yaha upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) huI hai| koI upAdhi nahIM krtaa| nahIM to upakAra car3hatA aura yadi upakAra car3he to usa upakAra ko cukAne kaba Aoge? saMyoga saMbaMdha hai aura phira ye saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| akrama jJAna, vaha hai cetana kA praznakartA : karma ke udaya meM jo vyatireka guNa Ae haiM, ve donoM jaba alaga hote haiM taba pudgala ke paramANu pudgala meM mila jAte haiM ? pudgala paramANuoM kA kyA hotA hai ? jaba pudgala se alaga hote haiM taba? dAdAzrI : phira pudgala, pudgala meM rahatA hai| pudgala ko phira vyavasthita kaha dete haiM aura cetana, cetana meM, donoM apane-apane svabhAva meN| praznakartA : to yaha jo dAdA kA jJAna hai, vaha kauna sA guNa kahalAtA hai ? vyatireka guNa kahalAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : jina do cIz2oM ke milane se vyatireka guNa utpanna hue the, to jaba 'yaha' jJAna milatA hai, taba donoM ko alaga kara detA hai to ve cale jAte haiN| ahaMkAra aura mamatA donoM cale jAte haiN|

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva praznakartA : yaha jJAna vyatireka guNa meM AtA hai yA cetana meM AtA hai ? kisameM AtA hai ? 87 dAdAzrI : jJAna kisI meM bhI nahIM AtA / jJAna to jo jaisA thA, use vaisA hI kara detA hai / praznakartA: Apa jo dete haiM, vaha jJAna jar3a kA hai yA cetana kA ? kahA~ se AyA yaha jJAna ? dAdAzrI : kamplITa cetana kA / praznakartA : lekina vyatireka ke taura para hI hai na ? yaha cetana kA jJAna bhI vyatireka guNa sahita hai? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai / yaha vyatireka nahIM hai| yaha to AtmA kA guNa hai !!! dAdA kA diyA huA jJAna, vaha to 'AtmA ke guNa' kahalAte haiN| usakA praveza hote hI yaha sabakucha turaMta hI calA jAtA hai / vibhAva anAdi se haiM praznakartA : usa vizeSa bhAva meM tattva Ate haiM kyA ? dAdAzrI : hA~, tattva haiM aura tattva bhI nirAle haiN| usase (vibhAva se) alaga rahate haiM / praznakartA : ataH jaba AtmA aura jar3a kA vizeSa bhAva hotA hai, to ye bAkI ke tattva sAtha meM rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : mUla rUpa se (mukhya) to jo vizeSa bhAva ho gayA hai vaha hai, vahIM se calatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : tabhI se dUsare tattva bhI sAtha meM hI haiM ? dAdAzrI : saba sAtha meM hI haiM / unameM koI badalAva huA hI nahIM hai / phira yaha cakkara calatA hI rahatA hai / praznakartA : aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) meM jo

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) vizeSa bhAva zurU huA, usakA koI samaya to hogA na? usakA samaya hotA to kyA usakI prApti nahIM kI jA sakatI, lAkhoM, karor3oM araboM... sAla? dAdAzrI : 'vizeSa bhAva' to samajhAne ke lie kaha rahe haiM varnA dazA anAdi hai| nahIM hai doSa isameM kisI kA praznakartA : dAdAjI, ye jo chaH tattva haiM aura 'vyavasthita' nAma kI jo zakti hai, vaha chaH tattvoM se bAhara hai yA aMdara? dAdAzrI : vaha chaH tattvoM ke aMdara hI hai, chaH tattvoM se bAhara to koI vastu hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : 'vyavasthita' nAma kI jo zakti hai, usakA samAveza kauna se tattvoM meM hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha tattva nahIM hai| tattvoM ke aMdara hai| vaha koI tattva nahIM hai| aura yadi kisI ko tattva kahanA ho, to use pudgala kahanA pdd'egaa| pudgala tattva nahIM hai| paramANu, vaha tattva hai aura AtmA, vaha bhI tattva hai| pudgala tattva nahIM mAnA jaataa| pudgala usakA (tattva kA) vibhAvika pariNAma hai, vizeSa pariNAma hai| pudgala mAtra vizeSa pariNAma hai| vyavasthita bhI vizeSa pariNAma hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo vyavasthita hai, kyA vaha chaH tattvoM kA khela hai? dAdAzrI : jaise ki jaba 2 H aura O milate haiM to isameM kisI kA bhI khela nahIM hai| ve jaba milate haiM taba unakA svabhAva vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| usI prakAra jaba ye tattva eka-dUsare ke saMsarga meM Ate haiM taba aisA rUpa bana hI jAtA hai| kisI ko banAne kI z2arUrata nahIM pdd'tii| praznakartA : hotA hI rahatA hai ? iTa haipansa?

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva dAdAzrI : vijJAna se yaha saMsAra banA hai, pUrA hI / 89 I I saMsAra jina doSoM se bharA huA hai, vaha vastuoM ke saMsarga doSa kI vajaha se hai! 'jJAnI puruSa' usa saMsarga doSa se alaga kara dete haiM / usake bAda donoM apane-apane guNoM meM rahate haiM / jisa prakAra cir3iyA darpaNa meM coMca mAratI rahatI hai, lekina samaya paripakva hone para vaha baMda ho jAtA hai| usI prakAra darpaNa kA saMsarga doSa lagane se usameM Apake jaise hI dUsare 'prophesara' dikhAI dete haiM na ! yaha saMsAra bhAva AtmA kA guNadharma nahIM hai, yaha pudgala kA guNadharma bhI nahIM hai| pudgala ko bhI yaha saMsAra bhAva acchA nahIM lgtaa| yaha usake kAma hI nahIM AtA na! AtmA ke bhI kAma nahIM aataa| lekina donoM ke milane se yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho gyaa| isameM AtmA kA bhI doSa nahIM hai aura pudgala kA bhI doSa nahIM hai / kisI kA bhI doSa nahIM hai| I niyati kA sthAna praznakartA : khuda AtmA hai isake bAvajUda bhI bAkI ke jo pA~ca tattva haiM, ve isa para prabhAva DAla dete haiM isalie vyatireka guNa utpanna ho jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! aisA hai hI nahIM ki koI kisI para kisI bhI prakAra kA prabhAva DAla ske| yadi koI prabhAva DAla de na, to vaha balavAna kahalAegA, lekina sabhI samAna haiN| aisA nahIM hai ki koI kisI meM dakhala kara ske| aisA nahIM hai ki koI kisI kA nAma le ske| praznakartA : vaha sAmIpya bhAva bhI niyati ke adhIna hai ? dAdAzrI : sAmIpya bhAva ? isI ko niyati kahate haiM, * isa sAre bhAga ko niyati kahA jAtA hai| yaha kyA hai yA kisake adhIna hai ? to kahate haiM ki, 'niyati ke adhIna hai'| 'to kyA yaha jo niyati hai vaha pakSapAtI dharma vAlI hai?' to kahate haiM, 'nahIM, niSpakSapAtI hai'| vItarAga *niyati ke lie satsaMga AptavANI - 11 (pU.) gujarAtI kA peja - 270 se 330

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) kA gunAha nahIM hai| pakSapAtI dharma vAlA ho taba lagatA hai ki bhAI! yaha isakA pakSa le rahA hai lekina vaha vItarAga hai| kaisI paz2ala hai yaha ! nahIM? yaha jagat niraMtara parivartanazIla hai| eka paramANu bhI, TAima-vAima (kAla-samaya) sabakucha niraMtara parivartita hI hotA rahatA hai| ataH niyati para to maiMne bahuta khoja kI hai ki kyA yaha vAstava meM ekz2ekTa niyati kI vajaha se hI hai? vaha to balki aMdara mAra khilAtI hai kyoMki niyati kahatI hai ki, 'yaha saba merA svarUpa hai' vaha to balki mAra khilAtI hai! lekina koI kisI kA UparI nahIM hai, aisA hai yaha jgt| praznakartA : jo vyatiraka guNa utpanna hue, ve sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa meM haiM yA eka alaga hI bhAga haiM ? dAdAzrI : sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke AdhAra para hI yaha saba huA hai| phira bhApa banI aura usase bAdala bane, bAdala bane to barasAta huI, barasAta huI to phira bhApa banI, yaha sArI uThA-paTaka calatI hI rahatI hai| vibhAva, adhika vistArapUrvaka aba Apako eka udAharaNa detA hU~ ki vyatireka guNa kise kahate haiM ? ye vyatireka guNa kisa prakAra se utpanna hote haiM, vaha batAtA huuN| aba yaha jo pAnI hai, jo barasAta hotI hai, Upara jo H2O banatA hai, vaha kahA~ se lAe? to kahate haiM ki yaha jo samudra hai, samudra meM se bhApa banatI hai aura Upara jAtI hai| to yaha bhApa kisane banAI ? itanA bar3A samudra hai, sabhI loga jAnate haiM ki samudra meM se hI bhApa banatI hai| nahIM? yadi hama dUrabIna yA aise kisI sAdhana se sUkSma prakAra se dekheM to dina bhara samudra meM se dhIre-dhIre bhApa nikalatI hI rahatI hai| kyoMki sUrya ke samudra para Ate hI samudra meM se bhApa bananI zurU ho jAtI hai| sUrya calA jAe to kucha bhI nahIM rhegaa| jaise samudra aura sUrya donoM ke milane para bhApa banatI hai, banatI hai yA nahIM? sUrya ke Ane para bhApa banatI hai na? ataH sAinTisTa kahate haiM

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva ki behada bhApa bana rahI hai isa samudra meM se| taba agara hama samudra se kaheM ki, 'tU bhApa kyoM banA rahA hai ?' to samudra kyA kahegA? praznakartA : apane Apa hI ho rahA hai yh| dAdAzrI : apane Apa kaise ho sakatA hai? aba usake lie kauna gunahagAra hai ? isameM samudra gunahagAra hai yA sUrya gunahagAra hai ? kisake gunAha se yaha bhApa banI? samudra ke pAnI se jo bhApa banI, vaha ? taba eka dina yadi hama isa samudra ko DA~TeM ki 'tU bhApa kyoM banAtA hai yahA~ para? bekAra hI dakhala karatA hai| aba yahA~ para bhApa mata bnaanaa| tujhe bilkula bhI bhApa nahIM banAnI hai| terI bAta tU jAne! dekhanA agara bhApa banAI to'! samudra meM se bhApa nikalatI hai, jisase ki ye bAdala banate haiM isalie hama samudra ko blema karate haiM ki 'tU bhApa nikAlanA baMda kara de| taba samudra hama se kyA kahegA 'are, mujha para rauba mata jmaa| yaha maiM nahIM kara rahA hU~ aura tuma bekAra hI mujha para AkSepa lagA rahe ho| maiM to nimitta hU~, maiM kucha bhI nahIM bnaataa'| taba bhI hama kahate haiM ki 'are, nirI bhApa hI bana rahI hai na?' praznakartA : patA lagAnA cAhie ki kisase huA? dAdAzrI : taba hama ulajhana meM par3a jAte haiM ki yaha samudra nahIM nikAla rahA hai to anya kisI kAraNa se honA caahie| to bhAI, yaha kauna kara rahA hai ? hU iz2a risponsibala? (kauna z2immedAra hai ?) taba hameM patA calatA hai ki oho! yaha samudra kA guNa nahIM hai| sUrya kI hI jhaMjhaTa hai yaha saarii| aisA samajha jAte haiM na hama? to hama kise gunahagAra mAneMge? sUrya ko maaneNge| to yadi samudra yaha nahIM kara rahA hai to kyA isakA matalaba yaha ki sUrya gunahagAra hai ? sUrya thA, to usane bhApa banAI hai| yaha samudra kA guNa nahIM hai| taba hameM vahama hotA hai ki yaha sUrya kA hI kAma hai lekina sUryanArAyaNa aura samudra, donoM eka sAtha hoM tabhI bhApa banatI hai| to yaha kisakI zakti se hotA hai? __ praznakartA : yaha bhApa to sUrya kI garmI aura pAnI meM se utpanna hotI hai ? arthAt aisA kahA jAegA ki donoM kI zakti se bhApa bnii|

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AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : lekina isameM kara kauna rahA hai? praznakartA : yoM kaheM to kudarata aura yoM kaheM to sUrya kI garmI dAdAzrI : sUrya karatA hai| nahIM? sUrya ko kartA kaheMge? to hameM samajha meM AtA hai ki isake lie sUryanArAyaNa hI z2immedAra haiN| ye sUryanArAyaNa hI aisA kara rahe haiN| ve hI risponsibala hone caahie| taba hama sUryanArAyaNa ko blema karate haiN| sUryanArAyaNa se pUchate haiM, 'aba tU yahA~ para kyoM isa samudra meM se bhApa banA rahA hai?' to vaha bhI niDaratA pUrvaka kahatA hai 'maiM to nahIM kara rahA hU~, mujha para AkSepa mata lgaao'| 'kyoM? isa samudra meM se tU hI bhApa nikAla rahA hai'| to sUrya kahegA ki, 'yaha merA guNa nahIM hai| nimitta ke taura para bhale hI maiM dikhAI detA hU~ lekina yaha guNa merA nahIM hai'| 'to kisakA guNa hai ? taba phira tere alAvA anya kauna kara rahA hai aisA? to tUne bhApa kyoM banAI ?' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'dekho mujhase isa taraha bAta mata karanA, maiM nahIM kara rahA huuN| taba yadi pUche ki 'aura kauna kara rahA hai? jaba tU nahIM hotA taba isa samudra meM se bhApa nahIM bntii| tU rahatA hai tabhI bhApa banatI hai'| taba vaha kahatA hai, 'yadi maiM bhApa banA rahA hotA to plaoNTa (jamIna) para bhI bntii| plaoNTa para kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| isalie maiM isakA kartA nahIM huuN| bhAI, yadi maiM kara rahA hU~ to maiM to ina pattharoM para bhI ghUmatA hU~, vahA~ to nahIM bntii| yadi maiM kara rahA hotA to isa roDa para bhApa banatI aura pahAr3oM para bhI bhApa banatI na? ataH yaha bhApa maiM nahIM banAtA huuN| sUrya to apanI dizA meM se ugatA hai aura asta ho jAtA hai, isase ise koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| ataH yaha bhApa nikAlane kA guNa sUrya kA bhI nahIM hai aura isa samudra kA bhI nahIM hai| bhApa, vaha to vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gayA hai| sUrya bhI vaha nahIM karatA hai aura samudra bhI nahIM karatA lekina ina donoM ke ikaTThe hone se hara eka kA apanA guNadharma to usameM sAbuta rahatA hai aura nayA vyatireka guNa utpanna ho jAtA hai| isa prakAra se ye saba utpanna ho gayA hai| sUrya namitta hai, samudra nimitta hai| AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'taa|

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva vaijJAnika haiM na! bhApa ke lie aisA to nahIM kaha sakate na ki yaha sUrya kA guNa hai lekina aisA bhI nahIM kaha sakate ki samudra kA guNa hai ? isake lie koI ekjekTa udAharaNa nahIM mila pA rahe lekina yaha to maiM Apako AiDiyA dene ke lie kaha rahA huuN| ekjekTa udAharaNa nahIM mila skte| avirodhAbhAsI udAharaNa nahIM mila sakate lekina anya koI udAharaNa nahIM die jA skte| isa prakAra usameM vizeSa guNa utpanna hotA hai| sUrya aura samudra, donoM ke milane se bhApa kA vizeSa bhAva utpanna huaa| jaba ye donoM alaga ho jAe~ge to vizeSa bhAva baMda ho jaaegaa| sAdI bAta hai na! daraasala tIrthaMkaroM ke hRdaya meM, jo caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM ne kahI thI, vahI bAta hai yh| vaha zAyada pustakoM meM ho yA na bhI ho yAnI ki pustakoM meM zAyada yaha bAta likha bhI na pAe ho| likhane ke lie tarIke kI z2arUrata hai| jabaki maiM to ise udAharaNa dekara samajhA rahA huuN| praznakartA : Apake udAharaNa to bahuta g2az2aba ke haiN| yaha samudra bhApa nikAlatA hai, yaha udAharaNa isa siddhAMta ko samajhane ke lie bahuta hI g2az2aba kA hai| dAdAzrI : yahIM para ruka jAte haiM log| logoM ke siddhAMta vahIM para ruka jAte haiM ki ye kaha rahe haiM ki 'bhagavAna kI icchA huI ki maiM prakaTa karU~' aura kitanoM ne aisA kahA, 'nahIM-nahIM icchA nahIM huI', bhagavAna 'ekohama bahusyAma' ho gae haiM, loga aisA mAnate haiM lekina vaijJAnika naz2ariye se to ye saba vizeSa pariNAma haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, yadi aisA to nahIM hai ki ye loga bhUla-bhulaiyA meM par3a jAe~ge, isalie yaha rAstA, yaha daravAz2A hI baMda kara diyA ki tuma isase Age mata jaanaa| bhagavAna ne banAyA hai isalie aba baMda kara do Age jaanaa| dAdAzrI : jA hI kauna rahe the? zakti hI nahIM hai| isalie vahA~

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) para baMda ho gayA, oNTomaiTika, aura phira usase Age ve jA nahIM pAe / sAdhu-ra - saMta kucha dUra taka gae aura phira kaha diyA, 'yaha ho gayA, bhagavAna ne banA diyA, yaha saba bhagavAna calAtA hai'| ataH vyavahAra zurU ho gayA sAdhu mahArAjoM kaa| jaise ki bhagavAna ke ghara kI sArI bAta sAdhu mahArAja jAnate hoM ki, 'ghara cala rahA hai yA nahIM cala rahA, bhagavAna kA kharca cala rahA hai yA nahIM cala rahA ? kharcA pUrA par3atA hai yA nahIM ?' vaha sArI bAteM phira ulajhana bharI hI rahIM / 94 yahA~ akrama vijJAna meM pUrA siddhAMta patA cala gayA hai, pUrA siddhAMta / hola (pUrA) siddhAMta vaijJAnika bhASA meM nikalA hai, avirodhaabhaas| yaha to pUrA yaha vibhAva, sabhI ne vibhAva kahA hai| lekina maiM to bahuta socatA thA, 'are! yaha vibhAva kisa taraha se hotA hai ? isa prakAra vApasa AtmA kA vibhAva kahate haiM aura yoM vApasa kahate haiM ki, zAstra kahate haiM ki AtmA ke vyatireka guNa haiM ye ' / yaha sArI laThThabAz2I clii| praznakartA : aba spaSTa hotA jA rahA hai, dAdAjI / dAdAzrI : spaSTa ho rahA hai na ? samAdhAna honA cAhie / praznakartA : samAdhAna ho jAtA hai, dAdAjI / dAdAzrI : hAthI ke aMdara baiThakara bhagavAna ne use bnaayaa| ise kisa prakAra se, kisane banAyA hai ? yaha anupacArika hai| praznakartA : arthAt saba anupacArika hI hotA hai na ! dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : sarvasva anupacArika hai ? dAdAzrI : anupacArika hai / praznakartA: aura sabhI ko anupacArika samajhane vAlA hI sahaja ho sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : kyA aura koI cArA hai ? isameM se nikalanA ho to vahI

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva rAstA hai| lekina pUrI duniyA aisA hI samajhatI hai, choTA baccA bhI upacAra samajha jAtA hai ki 'maiMne krikeTa khelA, maiM jIta gyaa| ___ nahIM hai kartA koI jagat meM AtmA aura pudgala ke ikaTThe hone se aisA jo huA hai, usake lie zAstrakAroM ne aisA kahA hai ki, 'upAdhi (bAhara se Ane vAlA duHkha, parezAnI) svarUpa utpanna ho gyaa'| hamane use vizeSa bhAva kahA hai| hama vAstavika rUpa se jaisA hai vaisA batAte haiN| samajha meM Ae isalie batAyA hai ki yaha vizeSa jJAna hai| khuda kA jJAna to hai hI, usake Age kA yaha vizeSa jJAna hai| isalie yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| phira calA saMsAra! lekina aba yadi isase jI bhara gayA ho to aisA kucha karo ki vizeSa jJAna chUTa jaae| yAnI ki ApakA jJAna to hai hii| Apake jJAna kI pU~jI kama nahIM huI hai, eka cAra Ane jitanI bhii| samudra aura sUrya jaisI sthiti se yaha jagat utpanna huA hai| kisI ne banAyA nahIM hai| naimittika bhAva hai| yaha samudra bhI nimitta hai aura sUrya bhI nimitta hai| sabhI ke saMyoga svabhAva kI vajaha se yaha ho gayA hai| jaba samudra aura sUrya, ye donoM ikaTThe hote haiM taba aisA ho jAtA hai lekina naimittika krtaa| jaba yaha samajha jAoge ki vAstava meM isa duniyA meM koI kartA nahIM hai taba isa duniyA ke sabhI duHkha cale jaaeNge| nahIM to duHkha kaise jaaeNge| pAgala jaisI bAteM samajheMge to phira sukha milegA kyA? agara hama mausI ko 'mA~-mA~' kareMge to phira vahA~ para mA~ to raha hI jaaegii| isameM kyA maz2A AegA? maz2A AegA isameM? yaha vaisA hI karatA rahatA hai| mA~ ko mA~ kI taraha se pahacAneMge aura mausI ko mausI kI trh| usameM kucha maz2A AegA! to kahate haiM, 've nahIM haiM merii'| ina saba ko pahacAnanA nahIM cAhie? ataH sAinTiphika prakAra se pUrA rijalTa (pariNAma) dekhakara sahI bAta batA rahA huuN| isameM sirpha zAstra kI hI bAta nahIM hai pUrA rijalTa dekhakara batA rahA hU~ aura trikAla sahI bAta hai yh| yAnI aisI bAta hai ki bhaviSya meM ise koI kATa nahIM sktaa| isameM chapI huI haiM ye sArI baateN| isIlie sabhI pustakeM chapa gaI haiM aura jagat kA kalyANa honA hI caahie|

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96 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hama kyA karate haiM ? AtmA aura pudgala, donoM ko alaga kara dete haiM jisase ve gaNa baMda ho jAte haiN| vijJAna hai yaha to, vijJAna hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna kA vijJAna ! caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kA vijJAna hai yaha! bhagavAna kI upasthiti se utpanna jagat AtmA ke binA kabhI zarIra cala sakatA hai kyA? yaha pUrI mazIna? praznakartA : nahIM cala sktaa| aMdara AtmA hai tabhI cala rahA hai na, yaha ! varnA rAma bolo bhAI, rAma! dAdAzrI : aba isI prakAra se AtmA meM calane kA guNa nahIM hai| AtmA kI upasthiti hai to yaha saba cala rahA hai, hukama se nhiiN| jaise ki bhagavAna mahAvIra kI upasthiti meM bAgha aura bakarI donoM sAtha meM pAnI pIte the lekina kyA anya kisI kI upasthiti meM bAgha aura bakarI pAnI pIte haiM? praznakartA : nahIM! nahIM piite| dAdAzrI : vahA~ bhagavAna kI upasthiti meM ve apanA svabhAva bhUla jAte haiN| bakarI apanA Darane kA svabhAva bhUla jAtI hai aura bAgha apanA hiMsaka bhAva bhUla jAtA hai| ataH yaha jagat bhagavAna kI upasthiti se utpanna ho gayA hai| bhagavAna ne kucha kiyA nahIM hai| unake nimitta se, upasthiti kA matalaba kyA hai ki abhI maiM yahA~ para baiThA hU~ na, aura mAna lo eka vyakti aMdara AyA aura Akara yahA~ ghusa gyaa| agara usake pIche-pIche dUsarA vyakti use mArane Ae to mArane vAlA vyakti mArate-mArate jaba yahA~ taka pahu~cegA to yahA~ mujhe dekhakara eka bAra to vaha khuda ke svabhAva ko bhUla jAegA, mArane kI bAta bhUla jAegA, zAMta ho jaaegaa| aba isameM maiMne usase kucha bhI nahIM kahA hai| vaha kucha bhI nahIM jaantaa| apane Apa hI oNTomaiTika saba ho jAtA hai| yadi yaha vahA~ para bAhara hotA to use mAra hI detaa| mArane vAlA to yahA~ para usakA nAma taka nahIM legaa| maiMne use manA

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(1.7) chaH tattvoM ke samasaraNa se vibhAva 97 nahIM kiyA hai phira bhI merI upasthiti se usake mana ke pravartana meM aisA saba parivartana ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : bhAva badala jAte haiN| dAdAzrI : isameM kyA maiMne kucha kiyA hai ? kucha na kahA ho phira bhI kAma ho jAtA hai| basa, yaha vijJAna to bhagavAna kI upasthiti se ho gayA hai na! jJAna se yaha jagat khar3A ho gayA hai aura calatA rahatA hai| aura vaha maiM khuda dekhakara bola rahA huuN| isameM bilkula bhI gappa nahIM hai| sirpha tIrthaMkara hI jAnate the yaha klaa| bhagavAna ne isa jagat ko banAne meM kucha bhI nahIM kiyA hai| ve to sirpha nimitta haiN| bhagavAna kI upasthiti ko lekara yaha pUrA 'sAinsa' cala rahA hai! / 'sAinTiphika' siddhAMta kyA hai ? bhagavAna kI upasthiti se 'roMga bilIpha' utpanna hotI hai| bhagavAna kI upasthiti se saMsAra baMda ho jAtA hai| bhagavAna kI upasthiti se paramAtmA pada mila jAtA hai|

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[8] krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' 'maiM' bar3hA Age... vizeSa bhAva meM kyA huA? ki "maiM kucha hU~' aura yaha saba 'maiM jAnatA hU~' aura 'maiM kara rahA huuN"| usase vizeSa bhAva ho gyaa| isIlie saMsAra khar3A ho gyaa| phira dekha-dekhakara karane lge| loga zAdI karate haiM, isalie zAdI karatA hai| jagat vyavahAra se calA, pUrA tUphAna / kyA lakar3I ke laDDU chor3a detA hai ? kahate z2arUra haiM, lakkar3a ke laDDU... praznakartA : ataH vaha jo vizeSa pariNAma utpanna huA, usase jo ahaMkAra utpanna huA, vaha isa pUre janma meM eka hI hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha khatma hotA hai aura vApasa banatA hai, khatma hotA hai aura banatA hai| yAnI ki bIja girate haiM aura vRkSa banatA hai, bIja girate haiM aura vRkSa banatA hai| aisA calatA hI rhegaa| praznakartA : to agale janma meM phira usameM se vRkSa banatA hai na? dAdAzrI : una saba kaoNz2ez2a (bIja) se vApasa vRkSa banatA hai na! aura vApasa vRkSa meM se kaoNz2ez2a banate haiN| eka sIdhI bAta hI, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, basa calatA hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : janma bhara eka hI ahaMkAra kAma karatA rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : to kyA dUsare pA~ca-sAta hoMge? ahaMkAra deha ke sAtha hI vilaya ho jAtA hai| basa itanA hii| phira nae kaoNz2ez2a karake jAtA hai Age, usake AdhAra para agale janma meM dUsarA ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai|

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(1.8) krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' aba maiM Apako AtmA kI bAta batAtA huuN| aba bhagavAna ne krieTa nahIM kiyA hai, vaha bhI batAtA hU~ aapko| aura ahaMkAra hai, vaha bAta bhI sahI hai, dIye jaisI bAta hai| to bIca meM vaha ahaMkAra kauna hai ? aura Apa pUcha rahe ho ki ahaMkAra kaba zurU huA? to jaba zurU hotA taba to jagat kI biginiMga khlaatii| usakI biginiMga bhI nahIM hai| ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai aura ahaMkAra kA nAza hotA hai| ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai aura ahaMkAra kA nAza hotA hai lekina nAza hote samaya, vaha bIja DAlakara naSTa hotA hai| ataH yaha zurU nahIM huA hai lekina ahaMkAra kaise utpanna hotA hai ? hamezA se thA hii| saba se pahale ahaMkAra kisa taraha se utpanna huA hogA? yAnI ki zurU se hai hii| isakI zuruAta nahIM hai lekina yoM hama sAdhAraNa rUpa se kahate haiM ki bhAI ahaMkAra kisa vajaha se utpanna huA, kisa prakAra se utpanna huA? praznakartA : saba se prathama iphekTa kaise zurU huA? dAdAzrI : kaoNz2ez2a ke binA kabhI bhI iphekTa ho hI nahIM sktaa| 'usane' yaha kaoNz2a DAlA ki 'yaha maiM hU~ aura yaha merA hai' isalie phira iphekTa zurU ho gyaa| praznakartA : lekina pahalI bAra kaoNz2a kisa prakAra se zurU huA? dAdAzrI : vahI! (vyavahAra) AtmA ko dUsarA tattva milA isalie isa (AtmA) tattva ko, use khuda ko aisA lagA ki vAstava meM yaha maiM huuN'| usI ke sAtha 'maiM aura merA' zurU ho gayA aura krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha zurU ho ge| mUla rUpa se to 'yaha' 'lAiTa hai' lekina jagata ke logoM ne kahA. 'Apa caMdUbhAI ho' aura Apane bhI mAna liyA ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~'! ataH 'igoiz2ama' khar3A ho gyaa| vaha 'igoiz2ama' mUla lAiTa kA 'riprejenTeTiva' banA aura jisane usa 'riprejenTeTiva' kI lAiTa ke mAdhyama se dekhA, vaha buddhi huI! kaSAya, karma kaoNz2a aura aMtaHkaraNa haiM iphekTa praznakartA : AtmA aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai)

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1) ke sAnidhya kI vajaha se cAra kaSAya khar3e ho gae, krodha - mAna-mAyAlobha / kyA yaha sahI hai ? 100 dAdAzrI : sahI hai / praznakartA : to mana-buddhi- citta aura ahaMkAra kA udbhava bhI usI prakAra se huA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha aisA hai na, krodha- - mAna-mAyA - lobha, ve to proDakzana haiM aura ye mana-buddhi- citta aura ahaMkAra, ye to iphekTa haiN| praznakartA : ye iphekTa haiM, lekina kyA proDakzana kA matalaba iphekTa nahIM hai ? to vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : proDakzana arthAt kaoNz2ez2a / proDakzana arthAt kucha cIz2oM ke ikaTThe hone se yaha ho gyaa| upAdhi svarUpa ! vizeSa svarUpa honA ! praznakartA : AtmA aura pudgala kA sAnidhya huA isalie krodhamAna- mAyA - lobha khar3e ho ge| usI prakAra mana-buddhi - citta aura ahaMkAra bhI bne| yAnI ki kaoNz2ez2a aura iphekTa donoM eka hI sAtha utpanna hue ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / praznakartA : to kisa prakAra se hue ? dAdAzrI : to mUlataH saba se prathama proDakzana hai, krodha- -maanmaayaa-lobh| aba, jaba ve utpanna hue to unase karma cArja hone lage / yadi ve nahIM hote to cArja nahIM hotA, to ve jo haiM cArja hone lage / vahI bhAvakarma haiN| kyoMki krodha kiyA / vaha utpanna ho cukA hai lekina agara usakA upayoga ho to... yadi upayoga hue binA par3A rahatA to koI harja nahIM thaa| lekina upayoga hue bagaira rahatA nahIM hai na! upayoga hue bagaira kaba rahegA? jaba usake pAsa khuda kA jJAna hogA / taba sabhI paramANu DiscArja ho jAe~ge kyoMki aMdara se usakA jIva bhAva jA cukA hotA hai ! praznakartA : hA~! upayoga hone para phira kyA hotA hai ?

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(1.8) krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' 101 dAdAzrI : upayoga hone para karma baMdhana hotA hai| karma baMdhana arthAt usakA DiscArja hote samaya yaha iphekTa AtA hai| vahI hai yaha saba, aMdara aMta:karaNa, mn-buddhi-citt-ahNkaar| praznakartA : isa jJAna ke bAda jo mana rahA, vaha iphekTiva hai? dAdAzrI : phira iphekTiva hai, basa! ajJAnI meM bhI iphekTiva hai lekina aisA hai ki iphekTiva meM se aMdara kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM jabaki inameM (jJAna lene ke bAda meM) kaoNz2ez2a utpanna nahIM hote, kaoNz2ez2a baMda ho jAte haiN| praznakartA : citta kA bhI isI prakAra se hai ? dAdAzrI : mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra, sbhii| pUrA hI aMta:karaNa, vaha pUrA iphekTiva hI hai| aura sirpha aMta:karaNa nahIM hai, yaha bAhyakaraNa bhI iphekTa hai| donoM karaNa mAtra iphekTa hI haiN| isa aMta:karaNa meM jo hotA hai usake bAda phira krodha bAhara nikalatA hai| pahale aMta:karaNa meM hotA hai| pahale aMta:karaNa meM bApa ke sAtha lar3atA hai aura bAda meM bAhara lar3atA hai| praznakartA : lekina aMta:karaNa to iphekTa hai phira yaha hotA kisa taraha se hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina yaha bhI iphekTa hai aura vaha bhI iphekTa hai lekina yaha sUkSma iphekTa hai aura krodha meM sthUla iphekTa hotA hai| isalie, kyoMki bAhara nikala jAtA hai| praznakartA : aMta:karaNa na ho to phira kyA krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna hoMge? dAdAzrI : nahIM, phira kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira sarva prathama kyA hai ? pahale Apane aisA kahA thA ki sarva prathama krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote haiM aura bAda meM yaha sArA iphekTa AtA hai|

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102 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha mA~-bApa haiM aura ye saba unake bacce haiM, bAda meM phira unakI vaMzAvalI mana-buddhi-citta aura ahaMkAra paidA hote haiN| gAr3ha vibhAva, avyavahAra rAzi meM praznakartA : yaha jo ivolyUzana thyorI kahate haiM, jIva Age hI Age bar3hatA jAtA hai, utkrAMti hone para manuSya meM AyA, devagati meM jAegA, aisA jo saba hogA vaha vibhAva kI vajaha se hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vibhAva kI vajaha se hI hai yh| yaha saba jo hai vaha vibhAva hI hai| praznakartA : to kyA pharsTa roMga bilIpha ekendriya meM utpanna huI ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ekendriya meM nahIM, usase pahale ve sAre avyavahAra rAzi vAle jIva haiN| jama cuke haiM, abhI taka nAma bhI nahIM par3A hai, vyavahAra meM nahIM AyA hai| praznakartA : lekina phira bhI vibhAva to hai na use? dAdAzrI : bahuta gAr3ha, bhArI vibhAva hai| avyavahAra rAzi meM jo sAre karma haiM na, unheM phira vyavahAra meM bhugatatA hai| praznakartA : dravya-kSetra-kAla-bhAva se karma udbhavita hote rahate haiM, to phira ahaMkAra kaba utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : mUla aham to zuruAta se hI ho gayA hai na! zuruAta se, anAdi kAla se| (mUla prathama) vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai tabhI se hai| mUla vizeSa bhAva meM se aham utpanna hotA hai aura usa aham meM se jo dUsarA vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai| phira usa ahaMkAra kA nAza hotA hai| usake bAda (dUsarA) vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai aura ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai| ahaMkAra ke pIche vizeSa bhAva aura vizeSa bhAva ke pIche ahNkaar| (kevalajJAna hone taka hamezA hI aham rahatA hai| ahaMkAra janma letA hai aura maratA hai|)

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(1.8) krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' 103 praznakartA : arthAt jaba se avyavahAra meM se vyavahAra rAzi meM AtA hai tabhI se? dAdAzrI : sabhI jgh| avyavahAra meM yA vyavahAra meM, sabhI jgh| jahA~ dekho vahA~ para yahI hai| aisA nahIM hai ki avyavahAra meM kahIM bhoktA nahIM thaa| bhoktA the, bhayaMkara vedanA, vedanA bhI sahana nahIM hotI thii| praznakartA : to usa vedanA kA bhoktA vaha ahaMkAra hI thA? dAdAzrI : to phira aura kauna? vaha kartA nahIM thaa| buddhi ke binA kartA nahIM bana sktaa| praznakartA : vaha ahaMkAra bhI bhugatatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~! bhugatatA hai| praznakartA : to pahale se hI vizeSa pariNAma se ahaMkAra utpanna ho cukA thA? dAdAzrI : sirpha vizeSa pariNAma hI nhiiN| aura phira vizeSa pariNAma khatma ho jAe to ahaMkAra khatma ho jAtA hai, to vahA~ para vApasa dUsarA vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA hai| isalie kyoMki sAtha ke sAtha hI haiN| do dravyoM ke sAtha meM hone ke kAraNa vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hotA jAtA hai aura ye jaba alaga ho jAte haiM taba vizeSa pariNAma khatma ho jAte haiN| (usa samaya mUla vizeSa bhAva aura usakI vajaha se jo aham hai, ve hamezA rahe hue haiM hii|) vyavasthita aura punarjanma praznakartA : to punarjanma aura sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa ke bIca kyA saMbaMdha hai, z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : yaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hI punarjanma kA mUla kAraNa hai| yaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa punarjanma sAbita kara detA hai| praznakartA : to phira kyA AtmA kA punarjanma hotA hai ?

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104 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : AtmA kA punarjanma nahIM hotaa| ahaMkAra kA hI punarjanma hotA rahatA hai| AtmA to vahI kA vahI rahatA hai| Upara AvaraNa car3hate rahate haiM aura AvaraNa utarate rahate haiN| AvaraNa car3hate rahate haiM aura AvaraNa utarate rahate haiN| praznakartA : pUrI duniyA kyA khuda ke guNadharma ke anusAra calatI dAdAzrI : basa! jagat isa svabhAva se hI cala rahA hai| svabhAva hI yaha sabakucha kara rahA hai| praznakartA : kyA apanA svabhAva bhI kharAba nahIM hai? apanA svabhAva kharAba hai tabhI yaha saba kharAba kara rahe haiM na! dAdAzrI : Apa to AtmA ho, paramAtmA ho to kyA ApakA svabhAva kahIM kharAba ho sakatA hai? praznakartA : nahIM, lekina pudgala jo sAtha meM... dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha pudgala to ina saMyogoM ke anusAra bana gayA hai| pudgala arthAt 'maiM' aura 'merA' donoM khar3e ho ge| jaba taka 'Apa' 'maiM' caMdU meM rahoge taba taka khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM hogA aura taba taka 'maiM' alaga rhegaa| vyatireka guNa haiM ve| ve anvaya guNa nahIM haiN| vibhAva, vaha ahaMkAra hai praznakartA : chaH dravyoM ke saMyoga se niSpanna hone vAlA vibhAva, vaha vibhAva pratiSThita AtmA ko hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, usa pratiSThita AtmA kA matalaba hI ahaMkAra hai| jo pratiSThA karatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra khuda hI vizeSa bhAva hai| vizeSa bhAva khuda hI ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : kyA ahaMkAra rahitatA AtmA kA svabhAva hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha AtmA kA svabhAva hai aura AtmA kA vibhAva, vahI ahaMkAra hai|

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( 1.8) krodha - mAna se 'maiM', mAyA - lobha se 'merA ' praznakartA : AtmA ke alAvA anya jo kucha bhI dikhAI detA hai vaha sArA vibhAva hai ? 105 dAdAzrI : vaha saba vibhAva kA phala hai aura phira vaha saba vinAzI hai| ikaTThA kiyA huA TikatA nahIM hai| cAhe kitanA bhI ikaTThA karo, deha ko apanA banAne jAo to aisA kabhI hogA nahIM / praznakartA : hara eka meM cetana eka sarIkhA hai aura jar3a bhI eka sarIkhA hai| to hara eka meM vyatireka guNa kI mAtrA kama - z2yAdA kyoM hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : cetana sabhI meM eka sarIkhA hai| jar3a eka sarIkhA nahIM hai| yadi jar3a eka sarIkhA hotA na, to kisI ko pahacAna hI nahIM pAte / saba eka hI prakAra ke cehare aura eka hI prakAra kA sabakucha / praznakartA : lekina una saba ke jo mUla aNu - paramANu haiM, ve to eka sarIkhe hI haiM na ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina una aNu-paramANuoM kA nahIM dekhanA hai| abhI apanA yaha jo zarIra vagairaha banA hai, vaha eka sarIkhA nahIM hai / praznakartA : aise logoM meM, jinheM jJAna nahIM hai, unameM kisI meM z2yAdA igo hotA hai aura kisI meM kama, aisA kyoM ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba to rahatA hai / vaha kama yA z2yAdA ho sakatA hai| vaha sArI sattA usake hAtha meM nahIM hai / vaha 'khuda' mAnatA hai ki 'maiM yaha hU~', vAstava meM vaisA nahIM hai / 'maiM hU~', vaha bhrAmaka mAnyatA hai| aura vaha kisI meM kama yA z2yAdA ho sakatA hai lekina nikalatA nahIM hai / donoM ke alaga hue binA nahIM jA sakatA / praznakartA : lekina isameM jaba saMyoga milate haiM taba phira vApasa khatma ho jAtA hai na ? dAdAzrI : hA~, saMyoga milane para hI / varnA hogA hI nahIM na! yahA~ para bhI vyavasthita to hai lekina hama to yahA~ para kyA kahanA cAhate haiM

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106 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) ki yaha kisa taraha se banA? to ina donoM ke sAtha meM Ane se yaha banA hai| bAda meM to phira vyavasthita kA pUrA hisAba A milatA hai| hara eka ko z2arUrata kI sabhI cIjeM mila jAtI haiN| lekina vibhAva guNa mUlataH khuda kA nahIM hai| vizeSa bhAva arthAt, AtmA kI yaha (svAbhAvika) zakti to hai hI lekina phira vizeSa zaktiyA~ bhI haiN| ataH vaha khuda yaha (vibhAva) nahIM karatA hai| dUsaroM ke dabAva se vibhAva ho jAtA hai aura usakI (vibhAva kI) zaktiyA~ utpanna ho jAtI haiN| inameM jo alaga rahA vaha 'jJAnI' praznakartA : yaha jo pUrA aMta:karaNa bana gayA hai, vaha aura vizeSa pariNAma, ina donoM ke bIca meM kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : vizeSa pariNAma se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vagairaha utpanna hote haiM aura usI se phira aMta:karaNa utpanna huA na! / praznakartA : aba ajJAnI meM bhI AtmA aura jar3a vastu sAtha meM haiM aura jJAnI puruSa ke pAsa bhI jar3a vastu aura AtmA haiM to yahA~ para jJAnI meM vizeSa pariNAma nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : unameM sAtha meM nahIM haiM, usI ko jJAnI kahate haiM na! unameM alaga ho gayA hai| praznakartA : vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : jar3a aura AtmA, donoM sAtha meM hote to vizeSa pariNAma rahatA na, usase phira vizeSa pariNAma hI AtA lekina jo sAtha meM haiM unheM 've khuda' alaga kara dete haiM na! praznakartA : arthAt yahA~ para vizeSa pariNAma ko alaga rakhanA par3atA hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : ve donoM sAtha meM hI haiM, ekadama lagakara haiM, isalie yaha sArA vizeSa pariNAma A jAtA hai lekina jaba 'usakA' (jJAnI dazA meM khuda) chUnA baMda ho jAtA hai, alaga ho jAtA hai, taba phira kucha bhI nhiiN|

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( 1.8) krodha - mAna se 'maiM', mAyA - lobha se 'merA ' praznakartA : ThIka hai| ataH jaba taka vaha pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) pariNAma ko khuda kA mAnatA hai, to kyA vahI vizeSa pariNAma kA mUla kAraNa hai ? 107 dAdAzrI : hA~, sAtha meM rahane ke kAraNa unheM khuda kA mAnatA hai isalie krodha-mAna-mAyA - lobha khar3e ho jAte haiM / usase yaha saba dikhAI detA hai| saMsAra khar3A ho jAtA hai phira / khuda kA mAna vagairaha sabakucha usI se utpanna hotA hai / pUrA aMta:karaNa usI se utpanna ho gayA hai aura mana to ahaMkAra ne banAyA hai| vaha ahaMkAra kI vaMzAvalI hai, usake vArisa | praznakartA : to mana ahaMkAra kA kriezana hai ? dAdAzrI : mana, vaha anya kisI aura kA kriezana nahIM hai, ahaMkAra kA hai| praznakartA : abhI jo vicAra AtA hai, vaha kyA abhI ke ahaMkAra kA kriezana hai ? dAdAzrI : pahale kA hai vaha / abhI jo AtA hai vaha sArA pariNAma hai| usameM vApasa bIja DalatA hai aura agale janma meM kAma AtA hai| purAnA pariNAma bhogatA hai aura phira nayA bIja DAla detA hai| abhI Ama khAtA hai, rasa vagairaha khAkara vApasa guThalI DAle to vaha guThalI ugatI hai praznakartA : yaha bIja DAlanA vizeSa pariNAma mAnA jAtA hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : vizeSa pariNAma to do cIz2oM ke sAtha meM Ane kI vajaha se AtA hai, apane Apa hI utpanna hotA hai| vaha dRSTi hai eka prakAra kI / aura usase krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha hote haiM / aura bIja to, vaha phira vApasa bhrAMti se DAlatA hai / isa guThalI kA kyA karanA, vaha patA nahIM isalie phira vApasa DAla detA hai aura vaha vApasa ugatI hai| yadi guThalI ko seMka degA to nahIM ugegii| yadi vaha aisA jJAna jAnegA tabhI / isI prakAra isameM kartA rahita ho jAegA to vaha nahIM ugegA / akriya ho jAegA to nahIM ugegaa|

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108 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : jar3a aura cetana ke milane se krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ve vyatireka guNa utpanna ho jAte haiM, lekina phira sAtha hI aisA kahA gayA hai, 'yadi ajJAnatA hogI, tbhii'| jJAnI meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna nahIM hote haiM? dAdAzrI : yadi (jar3a aura cetana) sAtha meM hote to jJAnI ko bhI hotA lekina yadi sAtha meM raheMge to phira jJAnI rahA hI kahA~ ? praznakartA : vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : do cIjeM sAtha meM raheMgI to phira pariNAma to Ae~ge hI na! aura yadi unheM alaga kara diyA jAe to nahIM hogaa| ye do cIjeM alaga ho gaIM, dUra ho gaIM, dUra ho jAe~ to jJAnI aura naz2adIka raheM to ajnyaanii| praznakartA : lekina isameM Apa jo bAta karate haiM, yaha pUrA vyavahAra karate haiM, loga dekhate haiM to yaha vyavahAra to jar3a kA huA na? dAdAzrI : vaha to hotA rhegaa| phira? praznakartA : to isameM yaha kaise patA cale ki vizeSa pariNAma nahIM ho rahe haiM? dAdAzrI : pahale mana meM tanmayAkAra pariNAma ho jAte the, aba 'vaha' mana se alaga ho gyaa| mana alaga aura 'maiM' alaga isalie vahA~ para alaga hone kA pariNAma dikhAI diyA hmeN| praznakartA : alaga ho gayA hai, isakA matalaba kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha alaga ho gayA ata: usakA pariNAma dikhAI diyA hmeN| mana aura khuda donoM alaga ho ge| jJAnI ke lie mana kAma kA nahIM hai| jJAnI ke lie mana jJeyarUpI hai| unakA mana varkiMga oNrDara meM nahIM hai| praznakartA : to mana to apanA phaMkzana karatA hI rahatA hogA na? dAdAzrI : vaha usakA pichalA pariNAma hai| nayA kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| mana ko hI dekhate rahate haiM ki mana meM kyA vicAra A rahe haiM!

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(1.8) krodha-mAna se 'maiM', mAyA-lobha se 'merA' 109 pichale kauna se pariNAma A rahe haiM! una saba ko dekhate rahate haiN| pahale nahIM dekhatA thA, vicaratA thaa| aura vicaranA hI vicAra hai| praznakartA : lekina jJAnI abhI vyavahAra meM haiM to abhI dUsare tattva bhI saMbaMdha meM hI haiM na? dAdAzrI : hoMge hI na! praznakartA : to aisA kahA jAegA na ki ve tattva eka ho gae! dAdAzrI : aisA to kAla ke anurUpa huA hai| unheM milanA nahIM kheNge| ve to pariNAmika haiN| milanA arthAt aisA kaoNz2a meM hotA hai| pariNAma to iphekTa hai| kAraNa, kartA banane kA praznakartA : yadi igo ko kisI ne utpanna hI nahIM kiyA hai to phira vaha z2immedAra bhI nahIM hai, vaha bAta sahI hai na? dAdAzrI : kisI kI bhI z2immedArI hai hI kahA~! ye to kudaratI rUpa se mila gae haiM, isalie utpanna ho gayA hai aura utpanna hokara phira usakA asara nahIM huA hai| vaha AtmA ko parezAna nahIM karatA aura AtmA use parezAna nahIM krtaa| vaha jo utpanna huA hai, aba vaha duHkha usa ahaMkAra ko hai, AtmA ko duHkha nahIM hai| AtmA duHkha ko samajhatA hI nahIM hai| ataH ahaMkAra kI yaha icchA hai ki 'hameM isameM se mukta honA hai, isa dazA meM se'| to yaha maiM pana aura merApana utpanna huaa| to phira use nibhAegA kauna? menTenansa kauna karatA hai? AtmA kI upsthiti| yadi zarIra meM AtmA kI upasthiti nahIM hogI to vaha saba baMda ho jaaegaa| jJAna ke bAda kaSAya anAtmA ke praznakartA : yadi khuda ke svarUpa meM A jAe to phira krodha nahIM hogA, mAna nahIM hogA, mAyA nahIM hogI, kucha bhI nahIM hogA na? dAdAzrI : krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana

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AptavANI - 14 (bhAga-1) hotA hai) ke guNa haiM, AtmA meM aise guNa nahIM haiM / arthAt jo apane guNa nahIM haiM, unakI z2immedArI hama kyoM leM ? jo ghaTate-bar3hate haiM na, ve saba pudgala ke guNa haiN| 110 yahA~ para yadi hama se jJAna le le to unheM hone vAle krodha - mAnamAyA-lobha pudgala ke guNa haiM aura agara jJAna nahIM liyA to AtmA ke guNa haiN| vAstava meM AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM, lekina vaha khuda hI kahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUlAla huuN'| jo nahIM hai, vahI kahatA hai| khuda kA aisA guNa hai hI nahIM, use vaha khuda para or3ha letA hai I to aisA hai, ki yadi hama se jJAna lekara hamArI AjJA meM rahe to phira krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha hone para bhI use sparza nahIM kreNge| kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| samAdhi nahIM jaaegii| dhAma AtmA ko kabhI bhI ciMtA nahIM hotI / AtmA to anaMta sukha kA hai / khuda hI anaMta sukha kA dhAma hai| use koI chU le to use bhI sukhI banA detA hai / aura loga aisA mAna baiThe haiM ki AtmA hI ciMtA karatA hai aura AtmA hI duHkhI hotA hai aura AtmA ko hI ye sArI upAdhiyA~ (bAhara se Ane vAlA du:kha ) haiM / vaha bolane vAlA dUra raha jAtA hai| bolane vAlA kauna hai isameM ? praznakartA: vahI / yaha ahaMkAra hI hai I dAdAzrI : vaha dUra raha jAtA hai| yAnI khuda ne apane Apako bekasUra siddha kara diyA, sabhI ko gunahagAra banA diyA / mUla gunahagAra hI dUsaroM ko gunahagAra siddha kara detA hai| khuda gunahagAra hai| usase phira mithyAtva bar3hatA jAtA hai, roMga bilIpha bar3hatI jAtI haiN| AtmA, AtmA kI jagaha para hai| sAinTiphika iphekTa hai yaha to / kisI ne kucha kiyA hI nahIM hai / sabhI dharma vAle jo mAnate haiM, aisA kucha hai hI nhiiN| tIrthaMkaroM ke bhAva meM thA yaha ! maiM jo kaha rahA hU~, vaha tIrthaMkaroM kA sIdhA jJAna hai / zAstra se Age kI bAta hai /

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[9] svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa jagat calatA hai svabhAva se hI yaha pUrI duniyA svabhAva se cala rahI hai I praznakartA : yaha svabhAva kyA cIz2a hai ? dAdAzrI : hara eka dravya apane-apane svabhAva kA hI pradarzana karatA hai / ye jo dravya haiM, ve sat haiM isalie avinAzI haiN| ve niraMtara parivartanazIla haiM aura khuda ke svabhAva meM hI rahate haiN| praznakartA : jisa prakAra se rAta svabhAva se par3atI hai, aisA kahA hai aura dina bhI svabhAva se hI ugatA hai, to yaha aMtaHkaraNa, vANI vagairaha...? dAdAzrI : saba svabhAva se hI haiM / yadi pudgala hai to pudgala ke svabhAva se aura yadi cetana hai to cetana ke svabhAva se / aba, ye sArI bAteM zAstroM meM nahIM milatIM aura pustakoM meM bhI nahIM milatIM / hai na ? praznakartA : nahIM milatIM, dAdA / ve to sirpha dAdA ke kampyUTara meM hI milatI haiN| yaha pudgala apane svabhAva se hI cala rahA hai, kyA usameM cetana kA koI kanekzana hai ? dakhalaMdAjI ? dAdAzrI : jo dakhala kare, vaha cetana kahalAegA hI nahIM / svabhAva se cala rahA hai aura calAne vAlA sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai / praznakartA: kisa-kisa ke svabhAva ?

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) dAdAzrI : pudgala ko pudgala kA svabhAva aura AtmA ko AtmA kA svabhAva, phira dharmAstikAya ko dharmAstikAya kA svabhAva aura kAla ko kAla kA svabhAva / hara eka svabhAva se / 112 praznakartA : bIja svabhAva se ugatA hai| pAnI, havA, z2amIna vagairaha sabhI saMyoga ugAte haiM / dAdAzrI : ve sabhI saMyoga svabhAva se cala rahe haiM / pUrI duniyA svabhAva se hI jI rahI hai / isa duniyA ko kauna calAtA hai ? to kahate haiM, svabhAva hI calAtA hai / kisa taraha se utpanna huI ? to kahate haiM, 'yaha svabhAva se utpanna huI hai ' / svabhAva meM se vibhAva kisa taraha se ho gayA? to kahate haiM, 'ye jaba ikaTThe hote haiM to unakA svabhAva hI aisA hai ki yaha vibhAva ho jAtA hai'| praznakartA : lekina vibhAva meM jo guNa prakAzamAna hue, ve kyA svabhAva ke prakAza se prakAzamAna hue haiM ? dAdAzrI : svabhAva kA usase lenA-denA nahIM hai, svabhAva to svabhAva meM rhaa| usakA aura una sabhI kA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai aura vibhAva khuda ke nae hI guNa utpanna ho ge| yaha duniyA svabhAva se cala rahI hai aura vibhAva se TakarAva hue| ke (vyavahAra) AtmA yA to vibhAva bhAva kara sakatA hai yA phira svabhAva bhAva kara sakatA hai| AtmA ye do hI bhAva kara sakatA hai| AtmA anya kucha nahIM kara sakatA / AtmA ne koI kriyA kI hI nahIM hai, karatA bhI nahIM hai aura karegA bhI nahIM / svabhAva bhAva arthAt khuda apane Apa meM hI rahanA aura vibhAva bhAva arthAt dehAdhyAsa / vizeSa bhAva meM bhI barata sakatA hai| praznakartA : to jo loga viparIta prakAra se baratate haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / AtmA kA svabhAva aura vibhaav| usa vibhAva se yaha saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai, vibhAva dazA hai| yaha svabhAva

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa 113 arthAt khuda ke mokSa meM le jAne vAlI vastu aura vibhAva, saMsAra meM bhaTakAne vAlI cIz2a hai| usa vizeSa pariNAma ko yadi samajha leMge to yaha paz2ala saoNlva ho jAegI, varnA saoNlva nahIM ho sktii| praznakartA : AtmA hamezA Urdhvagati meM jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM ki Urdhvagati meM jAtA hai, svabhAva hI UrdhvagAmI hai| praznakartA : UrdhvagAmI svabhAva hai phira bhI adhogati meM kyoM jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : UrdhvagAmI svabhAva hai, to use jo dUsarI balA cipakI rahatI haiM aura yadi ve vaz2anadAra hoM to vaha adhogAmI ho jAtA hai| usa vizeSa pariNAma ko yadi samajheM to paz2ala saoNlva ho jAegI, varnA saoNlva nahIM hogii| isa 'vi' ke vibhAva ko viruddha bhAva samajha liyA hai| nahIM hai kartApana, svabhAva meM sabhI ko nahAnA ho aura yaha ilekTrisiTI baMda ho jAe aura yaha jo pAnI hai, use tU garama karane lage, kerosIna sTova se yA kisI aura se, to kyA hogA? TAima lagegA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vibhAva arthAt saMsAra khar3A krnaa| vaha pAnI ko garama karane jaisA mehanata vAlA kAma hai aura svabhAva meM jAnA arthAt lakar3iyA~ nikAlakara vApasa ThaMDA krnaa| tabhI mokSa meM jaaeNge| svabhAva meM kriyA nahIM hai, mehanata nahIM hai| svabhAva ko samajhanA hotA hai| yaha jo pAnI kA udAharaNa diyA, Apako samajha meM A rahA hai? kisI bhI cIz2a ko apane svabhAva meM jAne ke lie mehanata nahIM karanI hotii| jaba vizeSa bhAva meM jAnA ho taba sabhI ko mehanata karanI par3atI hai|

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114 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) tyAga karo yA grahaNa karo, use dharma kahate haiM, rileTiva dharma jabaki riyala dharma, vaha svAbhAvika dharma hai| usameM karanA nahIM hai, vaha svAbhAvika rUpa se hotA rahatA hai| AtmA, AtmA ke svabhAva meM A gayA to basa ho cukaa| abhI vizeSa bhAva meM hai| vastu ko svabhAva meM lAnA, use kahate haiM mokss| 'use ye loga karane gae haiM, japa karo aura tapa kro|' are bhAI, aisA kyoM kara rahe ho? utanA to tU DhU~Dha nikAla ki svabhAva meM kisa taraha se jA sakate haiM! isa jhaMjhaTa meM kahA~ par3a gayA hai? praznakartA : svabhAva meM jAne ke lie koI bhI prayatna karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : jAnatA hI nahIM ho to kaise karegA? vaha to aisA hI jAnatA hai ki mujhe kucha karanA pdd'egaa| maiM kucha kruuN| are bhAI, tere guru ko nahIM milA to tujhe bhI nahIM milegA na? vaha bhI vaisA hI rahA aura usakA guru bhI vaisA hI rhaa| isa taraha saba bhaTakate rahate ho na! laDDU khAkara peTa para hAtha pherate ho aura ohiyA karake so jAte ho| are bhAI, kAma khatma ho jAne ke bAda ohiyA karake so sakate haiM! jaba taka svabhAva meM nahIM A jAe taba taka svAbhAvika sukha nahIM mila sktaa| ye sabhI vibhAvika sukha haiM, isalie besvAda lagate haiN| AtmA kA sukha, vaha svAbhAvika sukha hai, vahI mokSa hai| (mUla) AtmA to bhAva bhI nahIM karatA aura abhAva bhI nahIM krtaa| AtmA svabhAvamaya hai| apane-apane svabhAva meM haiN| sonA sone ke svabhAva meM rahatA hai| sonA dUsare guNadharma nahIM btaataa| usI prakAra AtmA ne bhI kabhI khuda ke guNadharma nahIM chor3e haiM, chor3atA bhI nahIM hai aura chor3egA bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : anAdi svabhAva kA matalaba kyA hai?

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa dAdAzrI : jo svabhAva hamezA ke lie hai, paramAnenTa hai, vaha sanAtana kahalAtA hai| 115 svabhAva, sattA aura pariNAma praznakartA : AtmA meM vipariNAma, vaha kyA svabhAva se vipariNAma hai ? vipariNAma, AtmA kI mUla sattA hai yA saMyogI sattA hai ? aura kauna sA dravya usa sattA kA mUla kAraNa hai ? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke sAtha ina sabhI cIz2oM kA yoga hotA hai| isalie yaha vibhAva huA hai, isIlie saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai / 'svabhAva se vipariNAma hai ?' usake lie hama manA karate haiM / nahIM ! svabhAva se vipariNAma nahIM ho sakatA / usakA jo svabhAva hai, usameM kabhI bhI vipariNAma, vibhAva hotA hI nahIM hai / 'kyA vipariNAma AtmA kI mUla sattA hai?' to kahate haiM, 'nahIM! mUla sattA svabhAvI hI hai / svapariNAma hai, vipariNAma nahIM hai !' ataH yaha AtmA kI mUla sattA nahIM hai / yaha vibhAvika sattA hai, svAbhAvika sattA nahIM hai / lekina yadi pUcheM ki 'yaha vipariNAma AtmA kI mUla sattA hai yA saMyogI sattA hai ? ' to kahate haiM, 'saMyogI sattA hai'| praznakartA : to kyA vipariNAma saMyogI sattA hai ? dAdAzrI : haaN| yaha pudgala milA isalie yaha saba ho gyaa| kauna sA dravya 'usa sattA kA mUla kAraNa hai ?' mUla kAraNa meM to yaha pudgala dravya milA, usI kAraNa yaha vipariNAma ho gyaa| basa / svabhAva karma kA kartA.... praznakartA : 'AtmasvabhAva karma kA kartA hai, anyathA akartA hai / ' vaha kisa prakAra se ? vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : khuda ke svasvabhAva ke karma kA kartA hai| AtmA anya kisI karma kA kartA nahIM hai| yaha AtmA prakAza jaisA hai / vaha khuda ke svabhAva (anusAra) karatA hai / yaha jo lAiTa hai, vaha khuda ke svabhAva karma

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116 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) kI kartA hai| bahuta huA to prakAza detI hai| vaha yahA~ para hameM khAnA nahIM DAlatI na mu~ha meM? yA phira paMkhA nahIM karatI na! paMkhA to jaba paMkhA ghumAe~ge tabhI hogaa| yaha lAiTa paMkhA nahIM krtii| kyoM? praznakartA : isalie kyoMki usakA svabhAva hI aisA hai| dAdAzrI : vaisA hI yaha hai| yaha jo AtmA hai, vaha yoM khAtA-pItA nahIM hai, aisA kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| praznakartA : isameM svabhAva karma kA kartA kA artha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda ke svabhAva, mUla jo svabhAva hai, svAbhAvika svabhAva, usI kA kartA hai| yaha to, jise saMsAra meM kartA kahA gayA hai, vaha vibhAva karma kA kartA kahA hai| bahuta gaharA lagatA hai| nahIM? yaha jo saMsAra kA kartA kahA hai, vaha to bhrAMti se kahA hai| jaba taka bhrAMti hai taba taka isa saMsAra kA kartA hai| jaba bhrAMti calI jAe taba svarUpa kA krtaa| khuda ke svabhAva kA kartA, anyathA akartA hai| kisI bhI bAre meM kartA hai hI nhiiN| aisA kucha bhI nahIM krtaa| hama loga yaha jo karate haiM na, kahate haiM ki 'aisA kiyA, vaisA kiyA', vaha AtmA nahIM krtaa| praznakartA : binA anubhava ke samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| dAdAzrI : tujhe yadi anubhava cAhie to yahA~ AnA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : isakA artha aisA huA ki 'para' tarapha ke jhukAva vAle jo bhAva haiM, ve sabhI asvabhAva bhAva aura khuda ke 'sva' tarapha ke jo bhAva haiM, ve svabhAva bhAva? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha jo para-svabhAva hai, to jaba taka AtmA 'para' meM rahatA hai taba taka to yaha saMsAra hai hI na! jaba sva-svabhAva bhAva meM AegA na, taba saMsAra chUTa jAegA aura para-svabhAva bhAva arthAt parapariNati / anya koI kara rahA hai aura khuda kahatA hai, 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| yaha vizeSa bhAva kyA hai? prakRti kisa prakAra se apane Apa hI utpanna ho jAtI hai? yaha saba 'maiMne' dekhA hai| 'maiM' yaha saba dekhakara batA

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa rahA hU~ isalie 'vijJAna' kA yaha khulAsA ho rahA hai| kisI cIz2a kA koI (svataMtra) kartA hai hI nahIM aura (naimittika) kartA ke binA kucha huA nahIM hai !!! 117 'khuda' saMsAra kA citraNa karatA hai / usake bAda vicitratA lAnA 'necara' ke hAtha meM hai / citra ke vizeSa pariNAma ko lekara use vicitra karane kA kAma necara kA hai / phira usameM koI hAtha nahIM DAla sakatA, dakhalaMdAjI nahIM kara sakatA ! Develapa hone vAlA kauna hai ? praznakartA : AtmA to sabhI meM eka sarIkhe hI haiM lekina eka meM jJAna aura eka meM ajJAna, vaha bhI kyA isa vizva kI racanA kI vajaha se ho rahA hai ? dAdAzrI : vizva kI racanA hI aisI hai| eka aMza se Develapa hote-hote vaha do aMza, cAra aMza isa prakAra Develapa hote-hote, AtmA to sabhI ke pAsa hai lekina bAhara kA bhAga Develapa hotA hai, AtmA ke alAvA vAlA bhAga Develapa ho rahA hai| praznakartA : arthAt vibhAva ? dAdAzrI : vibhAva Develapa ho rahA hai / vaha Develapa hote-hote svabhAva kI tarapha jA rahA hai| praznakartA : vaha vibhAva svabhAva kI tarapha jA rahA hai ? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA: kAraNa ? vibhAva aura svabhAva, donoM ke bIca meM saMbaMdha hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha darpaNa meM dikhAI dene vAlA aura sAmane jo khar3A hai, jaba donoM eka sarIkhe dikhAI deMge taba mukta hogA, chuTakArA hogaa| taba taka nhiiN|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) praznakartA : arthAt ahaMkAra ko Atmasthiti meM AnA par3atA hai ? dAdAzrI : Atmasthiti meM AnA par3atA hai / ahaMkAra ko zuddha karanA pdd'egaa| taba taka DevelapamenTa calatA rahatA hai I 118 praznakartA : vibhAva aura svabhAva, ina donoM ke bIca kyA pArasparika saMbaMdha hai ? dAdAzrI : unake bIca kArya-kAraNa kA saMbaMdha hai hI nahIM / (DevelapamenTa kI sthiti hai / ) vizeSa pariNAma meM bhI anaMta zakti praznakartA: ina sabhI jIvoM kA yaha jo jJAna hai, yoM to vaha sArA vyavahAra aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) se saMbaMdhita hI hai na ? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha bhI pudgala hI hai lekina isa prakAra prakaTa hotA hai| yaha jo prakaTa huA hai, vaha sirpha AtmA meM se hI nikalA huA hai| arthAt ina sabhI jIvoM meM se jo nikalatA hai na, vaha jJAna hai| vaha AtmA meM se hI nikalatA hai| AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAma haiN| AtmA ke vizeSa pariNAmoM meM bahuta adhika zakti hai / unameM anaMta jJAna zakti hai I arthAt yaha sArI anaMta zakti sirpha AtmA kA hI pariNAma hai| vaha AvaraNa kisI meM yahA~ se TUTA, kisI meM yahA~ se TUTA, kisI meM yahA~ se| isa prakAra sabhI meM jahA~ se TUTA vahIM se sabhI meM jJAna prakaTa hotA hai| lekina jaba pUrA TUTa jAe, taba / lekina vizeSa pariNAma ke rUpa meM bAhara AnA caahie| bAkI, sirpha AtmA meM hI sArA jJAna hai! hai pratyeka dravya, nija dravyAdhIna praznakartA : yadi ye sabhI pudgala haiM to yaha pudgala kisake adhIna dAdAzrI : jise ajaMpA (becainI, azAMti, ghabarAhaTa) hotA hai, uske| jise ajaMpA nahIM hotA, usameM parAdhIna bhI kahA~ hai ?

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa 119 praznakartA : pudgala kisake adhIna hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda ke dravya ke adhIna hai| sabhI dravya apane-apane dravya ke adhIna rahe hue haiN| pakaur3e kahate haiM, 'Apako ThIka lage to lo, nahIM to mata lenaa| hama Apake aMdara jAe~ge taba bhI hama apane dravya meM hI rheNge| ApameM to Ae~ge hI nhiiN'| yaha to, vaha ajJAna se aisA mAnatA hai ki, 'maiMne yaha khAyA, piiyaa'| vaha samajhatA hai ki, 'yaha dravya mere dravya meM A gyaa| vaha saba galata hai| aisA mAnakara baMdhatA hai, galata mAnane se| anya kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : to phira yaha pakaur3A jo mu~ha meM gayA, vaha bhI pudgala ke kAraNa hI gayA hai, AtmA ke kAraNa nahIM gyaa| aisA hI huA na? dAdAzrI : haaN| pudgala hI hai| sabhI prakAra ke pakaur3e hote haiM, dasa-bIsa taraha ke, lekina yadi Apa kaddU ke pakaur3e khAte ho taba maiM jAna jAtA hU~ ki, 'yaha kaddU kA kyoM khA rahA hai!' Apa kahate ho ki, 'mujhe kaddU kA zauka hai', ye saba jhUThe bahAne batAte ho lekina yadi aMdara kaddU ke paramANu Ae hoM tabhI khA pAte ho| ___ hara eka vastu svabhAva se bhinna hotI hai aura svabhAva se bhinna huI vastu ekAkAra nahIM ho sktii| AtmA aura pudgala asaMgI haiN| donoM ke svabhAva alaga haiN| koI kisI kI madada nahIM karatA hai| koI kisI ko nukasAna nahIM phuNcaataa| helpa bhI nahIM karatA aura nukasAna bhI nahIM phuNcaataa| Apa khuda hI apanA nukasAna kara rahe ho, vaha isalie kyoMki pudgala-Azrita ho| praznakartA : yadi AtmA vibhAva bhAva meM jAtA hai, to vaha svabhAva meM kaba AegA? dAdAzrI: jo vibhAva meM gayA hai, vaha abhI turaMta hI svabhAva meM nahIM AegA na! jaba vaha vibhAva khatma hogA taba svabhAva meM aaegaa| svabhAva meM Ane ke bAda meM koI dikkata nahIM hai lekina vibhAva meM arthAt

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120 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) isa paudgalika jJAna meM A gae haiN| svabhAva arthAt svAbhAvika jJAna aura vibhAva arthAt paudgalika jnyaan| aba vaha krama pUrvaka kama hogaa| ekadama se, jhaTake se nahIM jaaegaa| bhUla kisakI hai ? bhugate uskii| hA~, isameM AtmA (vyavahAra AtmA) ko bhugatanA par3atA hai aura AtmA kI bhUla hai, pudgala kA kyA jAegA? praznakartA : aura AtmA yadi nahIM bhoge to kucha bhI nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : lekina bhogegA kaise nahIM? jaba svabhAva meM A jAegA tabhI nahIM bhogegaa| jJAtA-dRSTA bana jAe, phira bhale hI pudgala zora macAtA rahe! praznakartA : anaMtajJAna, anaMtadarzana aura caritra - to caritra kyA hai? dAdAzrI : svabhAva meM rahanA, vahI caritra hai| jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA, vhii| Apa mujhe gAliyA~ do to maiM isa cIz2a kA jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hU~ ki yaha aMbAlAla kyA kara rahA hai| bhAvanA meM se vAsanA... praznakartA : vAsanA aura bhAvanA, ina donoM ke bIca kA aMtara smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : aba bhAvanA meM se vApasa vAsanA utpanna hotI hai| bhAvanA nahIM ho to vAsanA utpanna hI nahIM hogii| vibhAva karegA tabhI vAsanA utpanna hogI na! aura yadi svabhAva meM calA jAegA to nirvAsanika ho jaaegaa| AtmA ke svabhAva meM calA jAe to ho jAegA, khatma ho jaaegaa| yaha to vibhAva karatA hai, bhautika sukha kA bhAva, isalie vAsanA meM jAtA hai| bhautika sukha kI bhAvanA, vahI vAsanA hai| ataH bhAvanA aura vAsanA meM aMtara nahIM hai| praznakartA : bhautika sukha kI jo bhAvanA hai, vahI vibhAva hai na? dAdAzrI : vahI vibhAva hai, vahI vAsanA hai|

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa 121 isIlie yaha 'akrama vijJAna' aisA hai ki vaha bAhara kisI meM bhI hAtha hI nahIM ddaaltaa| vaha to kahatA hai, 'tU tere bhAva meM, svabhAva meM A jaa'| AtmA kI vibhAvika avasthA kI vajaha se rAga-dveSa haiM aura svAbhAvika avasthA se vItarAga hai! jo khuda ke svabhAva meM pariNAmita hotA hai, use isa tarapha vyavasthita hI rahatA hai| cetanadhArA cetana svabhAva meM hai, jar3adhArA jar3a svabhAva meM hai, donoM alaga-alaga dhArAe~ apane-apane svabhAva meM baha rahI haiN| pahale to donoM eka hI dhArA meM bahakara vibhAva meM pariNAmita ho rahI thiiN| svabhAva se vikArI nahIM hai pudgala praznakartA : kyA pudgala ke vikArI hone kA svabhAva hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, usakA apane Apa vikArI hone kA svabhAva nahIM praznakartA : to vikArI kyoM ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : sakriya svabhAva vAlA hai, islie| akriya nahIM hai| jar3a khuda sakriya hai, arthAt svayaM kriyAvAna hai, kriyAvAna ! bAkI ke tattva akriya haiM, lekina yaha sakriya hai, lekina isa pratiSThita AtmA ke ye jo vyatireka guNa haiM na, unakI vajaha se yaha dazA ho gaI hai| varnA pudgala aisA nahIM hai| rakta nikale, pIpa nikale, aisA nahIM hai| vyatireka guNa aura phira ve bhI pAvara cetana shit| vyatireka guNoM ko hama khuda kA mAnate haiN| unhIM guNoM kA hama para asara hotA hai, varnA AtmA vaisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to dAdA, vibhAva se jo pudgala vikRta huA hai, aba Apa jaba jJAna ke samaya zuddhAtmA kA lakSya dete haiM, lekina vikRta ho cukA pudgala zuddha karanA par3egA na?

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dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, jisameM pha~sa cuke ho usakA nibeDA to lAnA hI par3egA na! aba jahA~ para khuda ko samajha meM A gayA ki ina jJAnI se AtmajJAna, bhedavijJAna sunanA hai| to use khuda ko jo saba parezAniyA~ thIM ve saba khatma ho gii| aba use khuda ko unakA nikAla (nipaTArA) kara denA hai| kudaratI rUpa se jo anya parezAniyA~ ulajhana meM DAla rahI thIM, ve khatma ho gaIM aura jo ulajhana vAlI nahIM haiM, unakA aba hama nikAla kara deNge| ve mUla ulajhana vAlI, jo khatma nahIM ho rahI thIM, ve bhedavijJAna se khatma ho gaIM aura khuda alaga ho gyaa| mAnA huA baMdha chUTa gyaa| vAstava meM to yaha baMdha bhI mAnA huA hai| sabakucha mAnA huA hI hai| hama kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki sirpha bilIpheM hI roMga haiN| anya kucha bhI nahIM bigar3A hai| vaha yadi rAiTa bilIpha ho jAe to basa ho cukA! jagat kI saMjJA se calate haiM, lokasaMjJA se| to agara roMga bilIpha nahIM baiTha rahI ho to bhI baiThA dete haiM lekina yadi jJAnI kI saMjJA se caleM to, roMga bilIpha khatma ho jAtI hai| hama mukhyataH kyA batAte haiM ki "terI' yaha bilIpha roMga hai, yaha roMga hai, yaha roMga hai| anya kisI bhI jagaha para yaha bAta nahIM batAte haiN| aMta meM AnA hai svabhAva meM praznakartA : AtmA kA aMtima pada kauna sA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI, sanAtana sukha! zAzvata sukha, bs| khuda ke svabhAva meM A jAnA hI aMtima pada hai| abhI vibhAva meM hai, vizeSa bhAva meM hai| AtmA khuda ke vizeSa pariNAma ke sabhI anubhava lete-lete Age bar3hatA hai| praznakartA : hara eka manuSya meM AtmA hotA hai, to usa AtmA kA dhyeya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : usakI jo svAbhAvika dazA hai na, usa svAbhAvika dazA meM Ane kA usakA dhyeya hai| abhI yaha vizeSa bhAvI dazA hai|

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa 123 sapoz2a se milatA hai yoM javAba praznakartA : Apane jo tarIkA batAyA, usa tarIke kA patA nahIM claa| usa tarIke para prakAza ddaalie| Apane kahA thA na ki sapoz2a haMDreDa parasenTa hai, Apa javAba lAte ho, lekina tarIkA patA nahIM hai| tarIke ke binA javAba le Ate ho, vaha kauna sA tarIkA hai ? dAdAzrI : eka rakama zAzvata hai aura eka TemparerI rakama hai| anaMta kAla se donoM kA guNA karatA rahA hai| jaba taka vaha guNA karane kI zuruAta karatA hai, taba taka to vaha TemparerI gAyaba ho jAtA hai aura phira vApasa TemparerI ko seTa karatA hai aura vApasa jaise hI guNA karane kI zuruAta karatA hai, vaha gAyaba ho jAtA hai| donoM paramAnenTa hone caahie| eka TemparerI aura eka paramAnenTa hai| khuda svabhAva ko lekara paramAnenTa hai aura vizeSa bhAva ko lekara TemparerI hai| vizeSa bhAva ko lekara, jaba use aisA samajha meM AegA ki 'maiM paramAnenTa hU~' to pUrA hala A jaaegaa| vahI tarIkA hai, bAkI anya koI tarIkA nahIM hai| praznakartA : vizeSa bhAva se TemparerI kahA hai to vaha kauna sA vizeSa bhAva hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA svAbhAvika bhAva hai aura usase adhika jAnane kA jo prayatna huA ki 'yaha saba kyA hai? ye sasura haiM aura ye mAmA haiM' usa vizeSa bhAva ko jAnane gayA, usI se yaha pha~sAva ho gyaa| yadi usa vizeSa bhAva ko jAnanA baMda ho jAegA to svabhAva meM A jaaegaa| zukladhyAna bhI hai vibhAva vastu jaba khuda ke svabhAva kI bhajanA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) karatI hai to use dharma kahA jAtA hai| jabaki ye loga avastu ke svabhAva kI bhajanA ko dharma mAnate haiN| mokSa to AtmA kA svabhAva hI hai, phira kahA~ lene jAnA hai| praznakartA : 'vastu sahAo dhrmoN'| vastu kA svabhAva, AtmA kA svabhAva, vahI dharma hai|

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124 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : haaN| bAkI, svabhAva meM dharmadhyAna nahIM hai| AtmA kA svabhAva dharmadhyAna nahIM hai| AtmA kA jo vizeSa bhAva hai, vaha dharmadhyAna hai| jo vibhAva hai, vaha dharmadhyAna hai| AtmA kA svabhAva sirpha mokSa hai, anya koI bhI dhyAna nahIM hai| svabhAva meM dhyAna-vyAna nahIM hotaa| yaha to, AtmA ke vibhAva meM dharmadhyAna hai, zukladhyAna hai, ArtadhyAna hai, raudradhyAna hai, sabhI dhyAna vibhAva dazA haiN| praznakartA : zukladhyAna bhI vibhAva hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~, zukladhyAna bhI vibhAvika hai| praznakartA : isalie kyoMki zukladhyAna kI zreNI para pahu~ca rahA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jaba taka use zukladhyAna rahatA hai, taba taka pUrNAhuti nahIM huI hai| pUrNAhuti kI taiyArI ho rahI hai| zukladhyAna pUrNAhuti kI taiyArI karavAtA hai lekina vaha dhyAna kabhI na kabhI chUTa jAnA caahie| jo chUTa jAtA hai, vaha sArA vizeSa bhAva, vibhAva kahalAtA hai| zukladhyAna pratyakSa mokSa kA kAraNa hai aura dharmadhyAna parokSa mokSa kA kAraNa hai| svabhAva kA maraNa hI bhAvamaraNa hai jJAnI mila jAe~ aura jJAna kI prApti kara le to ajanma svabhAva prakaTa ho jAtA hai aura janmojanma kA svabhAva khatma ho jAtA hai| isIlie zrImad rAjacaMdra ne kahA hai na ki 'kSaNa kSaNa bhayaMkara bhAvamaraNe kAM aho rAcI rho|' bhAvamaraNa kA artha kyA hai? svabhAva kA maraNa huA aura vibhAva kA janma huaa| avasthA meM 'maiM', vaha vibhAva kA janma huA aura yadi hama avasthA ko dekheM to svabhAva kA janma hogaa| ___ aura isIlie hamane 'Apako' AtmA ke svabhAva meM rakha diyA hai| aba use ulTA mata hone do| AtmA ko usake svabhAva meM rakhA hai, svabhAva hI use mokSa meM le jaaegaa| usakA svabhAva hI mokSa hai lekina hama dUsarI tarapha cale, jaisA logoM ne batAyA, usI anusAra isalie yaha dazA ho gaI

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(1.9) svabhAva aura vibhAva ke svarUpa 125 hai| aba dekhanA, itanA saMbhAlanA ki phira se z2arA sA bhI kaccA na par3a jaae| bAra-bAra yaha tAla nahIM milegA! praznakartA : ApakI ye jo pA~ca AjJAe~ haiM, jaise-jaise ina pA~ca AjJAoM meM raheMge to phira svabhAva meM pariNAmita hogA na? dAdAzrI : avazya hii| svabhAva meM pariNAmita hone kA hI rAstA hai yaha aura jaba pUrNa rUpa se svabhAva meM A jAe to use kahate haiM mokss| yahA~ para jIte jI hI mokss| mokSa vahA~ nahIM honA caahie| agara yahA~ para nahIM hai to kisa kAma kA? praznakartA : kamala pAnI meM ugatA hai isake bAvajUda bhI vaha pAnI se bhIgatA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : pAnI use chU nahIM sakatA, usameM aisA svabhAva hai| AtmA kA svabhAva aisA hai ki saMsAra bilkula bhI chU nahIM sakatA aura kAma calatA rahatA hai lekina svabhAva meM nahIM A paataa| svabhAva meM kaise AegA? jJAnI puruSa jo ki mukta puruSa hote haiM, ve lA dete haiM, bAkI anya koI vyakti, jo baMdhA huA hai, vaha to nahIM kara sakegA na!

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[10] vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? 'Apa' cetana, 'caMdU' pudgala AtmA khuda avinAzI hai| 'Apa' khuda avinAzI ho lekina Apako 'roMga bilIpha' hai ki, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', isalie Apa vinAzI ho| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vaha vinAzI hai, use Apa khuda maiM hU~' aisA mAna baiThe ho| Apa 'khuda' to sanAtana ho lekina vaha bhAna utpanna nahIM hotaa| vaha bhAna huA ki ho gayA mukta! ataH jaba taka 'Apako' 'AtmA' kA bhAna nahIM hotA taba taka ye vizeSa guNa rahate haiM lekina bhAna hone ke bAda meM ye vizeSa guNa cale jAte haiN| vizeSa bhAva vaha khuda kA daraasala guNa nahIM hai, vaha vyatireka guNa hai isalie chUTa jaaegaa| usakA saMyoga huA hai, usakA viyoga ho jaaegaa| lekina vaha kaba hogA? taba jaba koI svAbhAvika bhAva meM lA degA aura isa vizeSa bhAva kA asta ho jaaegaa| jaba mUla svabhAva meM A jAegA, tb| varnA saba aise kA aisA hI calatA rhegaa| isa jJAna ke bAda meM jaba khuda svabhAva bhAva meM AtA hai taba ThikAnA par3atA hai| aba 'Apako aisA svabhAva bhAva ho gayA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| pahale aisA vizeSa bhAva thA ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI huuN| ___anya vastu (A milatI) hai to yaha 'maiM' (aham) utpanna hotA hai, varnA nahIM hotaa| yaha jJAna milane ke bAda meM, yadi 'use' vaha tattva na mile to phira vibhAva nahIM hogaa| yahA~ para jaba taka saMsAra meM (ajJAna dazA meM) hai, taba taka sabhI tattva sAtha meM rheNge| jaba yaha jJAna milatA hai taba 'khuda' samajha jAtA hai, aura taba se anya tattvoM para dhyAna nahIM detaa|

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(1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna ? pudgala kauna ? 127 'aham caMdU', vaha vizeSa bhAva praznakartA : cetana aura pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai ) ke saMyoga se utpanna hone vAlA, arthAt pahale yaha aham utpanna hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : aham hI utpanna hotA hai na ! praznakartA : pahale aham hai aura usake bAda meM pUraNa hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : pUraNa ko hI aham kahate haiM na ! 'maiM hI hU~ na !' praznakartA : kyA pUraNa hI aham hai ? na, dAdAzrI : vahI aisA kahatA hai na ki 'maiM hU~' ! bilIpha hI hai usakI! galana ko 'maiM' kahatA hai aura pUraNa ko bhI 'maiM' kahatA hai / bhoga rahA hai use bhI 'maiM' kahatA hai aura jo kara rahA hai, use bhI 'maiM' kahatA hai| praznakartA : yAnI jo isa pUraNa - galana ko khuda kA mAnatA hai, vahI 'maiM' hai ? dAdAzrI : jaba aisA mAnatA hai ki 'jo pUraNa kara rahA hai vaha 'maiM' hU~', usa samaya prayogasA hotA rahatA hai aura jaba aisA mAnatA hai ki, 'bhoga rahA hU~', usa kSaNa mizrasA hotA rahatA hai| praznakartA : jo ina sabhI iphekTsa ko khuda kA mAnatA hai, kyA vahI aham hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI aham hai / praznakartA : to kyA abhI bhI hameM akrama mArga meM vizeSa bhAva utpanna hogA kyA ? vizeSa bhAva baratatA hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vizeSa bhAva barategA to vaha akrama jJAna hai hI nahIM! akrama jJAna meM vizeSa bhAva hai hI nahIM ! jo vizeSa bhAva ko tor3a de, usI ko kahate haiM akrama jJAna ! yaha to akrama vijJAna hai !! praznakartA : khuda zuddhAtmA kI zraddhA meM A gayA hai aura jaba aisA

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128 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) bhAna huA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' taba pUrA aham jo ki vizeSa bhAva kara rahA thA, vahI khatma ho gayA na? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA jo bhAna huA, usI ke lie kahate haiM ki vizeSa bhAva khatma ho gyaa| praznakartA : to, 'maiM isakA cAcA hU~, isakA mAmA hU~', ye saba jo bhAna haiM, ve? dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina mUla meM vizeSa bhAva rahA hI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : to ajJAnI ko? jise svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM hai, use? dAdAzrI : usake to sabhI bhAva vizeSa bhAva hI haiM na! praznakartA : arthAt khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM rahanA, kyA vahI vizeSa bhAva hai ? usI vajaha se vaha bhAva hotA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM yaha huuN'| kyA vahI vizeSa bhAva hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~! ve hI sAre vizeSa bhAva haiN| jahA~-jahA~ para ahaMkAra karatA hai, ve sabhI vizeSa bhAva haiN| mUla ahaMkAra khuda hI vizeSa bhAva hai| phira dina bhara usI ke sAre paryAya utpanna hote rahate haiM aura apane yahA~ para yaha jJAna dene ke bAda meM vizeSa bhAva rahatA hI nahIM hai| praznakartA : akrama vijJAna meM, usake bAda sirpha caritra moha hI bacatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, caMcala (bhUta) nikala gaI aura (zarIra para) sirpha coTa ke nizAna hI bace haiN| usa coTa kA anubhava hotA rahatA hai ! praznakartA : ve donoM jo naz2adIka Ate haiM, ve bhI kyA kudarata ke niyama ke anusAra naz2adIka Ate haiM ? dAdAzrI : vaha to kudarata kA niyama hai ! isa prakAra parivartanazIla hone kI vajaha se yaha saba badalatA rahatA hai| yaha saba kudarata kA hai| kudarata UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) nahIM hai| ina saba saMyogoM kA milanA, isI ko kahate haiM kudrt|

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129 (1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? pariNAmoM kI paraMparA... praznakartA : isa vizeSa bhAva ke utpanna hone ke bAda, usakA sAtatya kisa AdhAra para rahA huA hai? dAdAzrI : usake bAda to phira vizeSa bhAva meM se vApasa vizeSa bhAva hI utpanna hote rahate haiN| phira to usakI khuda kI mAnyatA hI pUrI DipharanTa ho gaI na, badala gaI na! aba phira jaba use vApasa aisA bhAna hotA hai ki 'khuda kauna hU~ aura merA apanA svabhAva kyA hai', taba vaha use vizeSa bhAva se bAhara nikAlatA hai, ki 'bhAI, Apa yaha nahIM ho, yaha nahIM ho, yaha nahIM ho| Apa yaha ho'| taba phira saba vilaya ho jAtA hai| svarUpa jAgRti calI gaI na, isalie phira sAtatya bacA aura jaba vaha svarUpa jAgRti A jAtI hai to phira vApasa jaise thA vaise kA vaisA hI ho jAtA hai, sAtatya calA jAtA hai| khuda bilkula bhI nahIM badalA hai| pUrI roMga bilIpha hI laga gaI hai, isa vizeSa bhAva kI vajaha se| praznakartA : isa vizeSa bhAva meM se bhAvaka utpanna huA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, bhAvaka utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : aba, bhAvaka aura bhAva, eka hI haiM yA alaga haiM ? dAdAzrI : donoM alaga haiN| bhAvaka arthAt Apako bhAva nahIM karane hoM phira bhI karavAtA hai, use kahate haiM bhaavk| bhAvaka, bhAva karavAtA hai| isa zarIra meM bhAvaka jaisI to kitanI hI cIjeM haiN| krodhaka, krodha karavAtA hai| lobhaka, lobha karavAtA hai| aise 'ka' vAle to aMdara bahuta sAre haiN| unhIM kI AbAdI bar3ha gaI haiN| aise meM mUla rAjA kI kyA dazA hogI? bAkI kI bastI behisAba hai! praznakartA : bhAvaka ne bhAva karavAe, unameM se phira dUsare bhAva utpanna hue to aba phira unakI vajaha se yaha sAtatya rahA hai? dAdAzrI : usake bAda phira bhAvaka maz2abUta hotA jAtA hai| jaisejaise bhAvaka bhAva karavAtA hai aura hama ve bhAva kareM taba bhAvaka maz2abUta

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AptavANI - 14 (bhAga - 1) hotA jAtA hai aura vaise-vaise usakA varcasva bar3hatA jAtA hai ! usase sAtatya bhAva utpanna hotA hai lekina phira aMdara parezAna ho jAtA hai / 130 ve vyatireka guNa nAzavaMta haiM lekina pUrA jagat una guNoM ke adhIna hai| bhrAMti se itanA pha~sAva ho gayA hai ki jIva usa bhrAMti ke adhIna hI baratate rahate haiN| usI ko cetana mAnate haiM / 'mujhe hI krodha ho rahA hai, aura kise ho rahA hai? maiM hI lobha kara rahA hU~' / jeba meM se paccIsa rupae kho jAe~ taba bhI lobhI ko pUre dina yAda Ate rahate haiM, ve haiM lobha ke guNa / agale dina bhI yAda karatA hai / yadi vaha lobhI nahIM hai to use kucha bhI nahIM hai| svabhAva meM rahakara hotA hai vibhAva praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA hai ki sirpha cetana tattva meM hI svabhAva meM rahane kI zakti hai aura vibhAva meM rahane kI bhI zakti hai| dAdAzrI : hA~ ! to phira ? praznakartA : yadi yaha cetana tattva vibhAva karatA hai to vaha svabhAva meM nahIM A sakegA na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, svabhAva meM hI rahatA hai / cetana khuda ke svabhAva se bAhara jAtA hI nahIM hai aura kucha saMyogoM kI vajaha se vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai| ve saMyoga cale jAe~ge to baMda ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : kyA zuddha cetana ko vizeSa bhAva nahIM ho sakatA ? dAdAzrI : vaha to svabhAva meM hI rahatA hai| yaha vizeSa bhAva to bAhara se utpanna ho gayA hai| una saMyogoM ke milane se yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna huA thA aura jaba hama use jJAna dete haiM to vaha alaga ho jAtA hai isalie vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai| yAnI yaha jo 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha vizeSa bhAva thA, vaha ' maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' hote hI khatma ho jAtA hai| praznakartA: usake bAda kyA vaha vApasa icchA nahIM karatA ? vizeSa bhAva nahIM karatA?

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(1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? 131 dAdAzrI : nahIM karatA hai| yadi karegA to vApasa usase cipaka pdd'eNge| praznakartA : arthAt kara sakatA hai| karane kI usake pAsa sattA to hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| lekina yadi Apane' AjJA kA pAlana nahIM kiyA to vizeSa bhAva hogA hii| jo AjJA pAlana nahIM karegA na, use yaha saba ho sakatA hai| jo AjJA pAlana karegA use aisA kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : to cetana kI tAkata to hai na, vizeSa bhAva karane kI? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to saMyogoM kA asara hai| nIMva meM sarvatra saMyoga hI haiM praznakartA : to phira saMyoga aura cetana donoM, anaMta haiM ? dAdAzrI : hA~, anaMta haiN| praznakartA : to sAtha hI saMyoga bhI anaMta hue na? dAdAzrI : hA~, saMyoga anaMta haiN| anAdi se, anaMta kAla taka kA hai lekina yadi alaga kiyA jAe taba to kucha huA hI nahIM hai| ye saba khatma ho jAe~ge aura donoM apane-apane svabhAva meM A jaaeNge| AmanesAmane jo prabhAva par3a rahA thA, vaha khatma ho jaaegaa| 'yaha maiM nahIM hU~' kahate hI sabakucha ekadama se alaga ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : lekina alaga hone ke bAda meM bhI ve saMyoga to raheMge hI na? dAdAzrI : saMyogoM kA savAla nahIM haiN| saMyogoM se hI ajJAna utpanna huA thaa| vaha ajJAna calA gayA to saMyoga apane Apa hI dhIre-dhIre chUTate-chUTate khatma ho jaaeNge| saMyogoM ke AdhAra para ahaMkAra khar3A huA hai aura ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para saMyoga TikA huA hai| jisakA ahaMkAra calA gayA usake saMyoga cale ge| yaha saba roMga bilIpha kI vajaha se hai|

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132 AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1) 'maiM' ko karanA hai zuddha... praznakartA : vaha cetana tattva zuddha hokara nikala gayA / usake bAda yaha jo acetana tattva bacA, vaha zuddha rUpa meM nikala jAegA ? dAdAzrI : zuddha ho hI jAtA hai, dera hI nahIM lagatI na zuddha hone meN| jaba vaha zuddha ho jAtA hai tabhI to AtmA alaga hotA hai varnA hogA hI nhiiN| jitanA vibhAvika ho gayA hai, vizeSa bhAvika pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai), jaba vaha pUrA hI zuddha ho jAegA taba AtmA alaga ho jaaegaa| isIlie hama kahate haiM na, nikAla karo phAiloM kA / jaisejaise samabhAva se nikAla karatA jAegA vaise-vaise alaga hotA jaaegaa| praznakartA : ve jo dUsare tattva haiM, ve sabhI tattva apane-apane svabhAva meM haiM lekina tU tere svabhAva meM A jA / arthAt yadi kartApana meM se nikala jAegA taba aisA hogA ? dAdAzrI : yaha jo 'zuddhAtmA' hai, vahI 'Apa' ho aura vahI ApakA svarUpa hai| aba 'Apa' vahA~ se alaga ho gae ho, to use dekha-dekhakara Apa usa rUpa ho jaao| ve akriya haiM, ve aise haiM, vaise haiM aura aisA socate-socate Apa usI rUpa (jaise) ho jaao| yaha to, vyatirake guNa utpanna hone kI vajaha se 'apanI' mAnyatA bana gaI hai / ataH yaha hameM dekhakara karanA hai 1 bhAva bhI parasattA praznakartA : kabhI-kabhI aisA prazna uThatA hai ki kisI bhI vastu ke lie sirpha bhAva hI rakhanA hai ? phira dekhate hI rahanA hai ki kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : bhAva karanA bhI hAtha meM nahIM hai / hamane bhAva nikAla diyA hai| bhAva kramika mArga meM hai| hamane bhAva bilkula hI nikAla diyA hai ! pUrA bhAva hI Disamisa kara diyA hai| Apako abhI jo icchAe~ hotI haiM, ve bhAva nahIM haiN| jo khAne kA bhAtA hai, Ama bhAte haiM, to vaha bhAva nahIM hai / bhAva bilkula alaga cIz2a hai| yadi ' Apa caMdUbhAI ho ' tabhI bhAva hogA, varnA nahIM ho sktaa|'aap caMdUbhAI nahIM ho ' isalie bhAva nahIM hai| aba 'maiM caMdUbhAI',

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(1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? 133 vaha vibhAva thaa| use jagat ne bhAvakarma kahA hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha khuda kA svabhAva hai| isa vibhAva ko bhAvakarma kahA gayA hai| vaha calA jAe to sabhI kucha calA jaaegaa| kitanA suMdara, sAhajika mArga! bagaira mehanata kA! kyA koI mehanata karanI par3I Apako? aura AnaMda kama hI nahIM hotA na? praznakartA : AnaMda kama nahIM hotaa| bahuta hI AnaMda rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha jJAna lene ke bAda meM AtmA vibhAva meM jAtA hI nahIM hai| krodha, jJAna ke bAda... praznakartA : dAdA! jJAna lene ke bAda yadi ina mahAtmAoM meM se kisI ko Apa pUcho na ki aba krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha bace haiM? to koI kahatA hai ki kucha bace haiM aura koI aisA bhI kaha detA hai ki nahIM dAdA! jAgRti rahatI hai| ataH unheM aba prajJA kI vajaha se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna nahIM hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, krodha kaba kahA jAtA hai ? mana meM krodha ke paramANu phUTate hI AtmA usameM tanmayAkAra ho hI jAtA hai, isalie use krodha kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina kucha samaya ke lie to use aisA rahegA na? mAna lIjie ki utanI jAgRti nahIM rahI, utane samaya taka to vaha ekAkAra ho jAegA to phira kyA bAda meM pazcAtApa karane se vaha khatma ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : jJAna lene ke bAda meM to tanmayAkAra hotA hI nahIM hai| vaha to use khuda ko aisA AbhAsa hotA hai ki maiM tanmayAkAra ho gyaa| use patA cala gayA na, isalie vaha tanmayAkAra nahIM hogaa| praznakartA : yadi tanmayAkAra ho jAegA to phira use vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hogA hI? dAdAzrI : tanmayAkAra ho gayA to vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hogA hii| phira use para-pariNAma kahA jAtA hai| vizeSa pariNAma to use kahate haiM jo zuruAta meM hotA hai| do cIz2oM ko sAtha meM rakhane se...

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134 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : ataH vaha saMyoga A milA, to zuruAta ho gaI? dAdAzrI : hA~, aura usake bAda para-pariNAma kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : bhugatanA, vaha para-pariNAma hai ? dAdAzrI : hara prakAra kA bhugtnaa| duHkha bhugatanA, sukha bhoganA vaha sArA hii| yaha saMsAra mAtra para-pariNAma hai| isIlie hama kahate haiM na ki Apake hAtha meM koI sattA nahIM hai| isIlie hama ina logoM se kahate haiM ki 'bhAI, vyavasthita kara rahA hai, aba tU nahIM krtaa| pahale bhI nahIM kara rahA thA, lekina usa samaya tujhe bhAna nahIM rahatA thaa'| raha hI nahIM sakatA na! lekina (jJAna lene ke bAda meM) aba abhI yaha bahuta hI acchI jAgRti ho gaI hai isalie aba bhAna rahatA hai aura phira jaise-jaise do-cAra dinoM taka AjJA meM rahegA, vaise-vaise vyavasthita para vizvAsa hotA jaaegaa| phira usakA vaha vizvAsa dinoMdina bar3hatA jAegA, malTiplikezana hotA jaaegaa| jabaki usameM (kramika meM) to Aja kahA aura vApasa kala bhUla jAtA hai| use mUrchita kahate haiN| aba bhUleMge nahIM na! kitanA suMdara vijJAna hai! jJAnI kI garjanA, jAgRta kare svabhAva ko praznakartA : zuddhAtmA jaisI vastu hai, isa cIz2a kA AbhAsa kise hotA hai ? pratiSThita AtmA ko? dAdAzrI : siMha jaba dahAr3atA hai to siMha kA baccA, jo bakariyoM ke sAtha ghUma rahA thA, vaha baccA turaMta hI apane svabhAva meM A jAtA hai aura vaha bhI garjanA karane lagatA hai| usameM guNa hai na! usI prakAra se jaba jJAnI puruSa jJAna dete haiM to usa samaya yaha saba hAz2ira ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina kyA vaha vizeSa pariNAma calA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : baMda ho jAtA hai pUrA, phrekcara ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt kyA aisA nahIM hai ki jo vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hue, unake mAdhyama se Apa zuddha ko jAnate ho?

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(1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? 135 dAdAzrI : nahIM, balki vizeSa pariNAma to pUrA hI aMdhakAra hai| vaha to AvaraNa hai| vizeSa pariNAma se Apa aisA pahacAna z2arUra jAte ho ki ye jJAnI haiN| ye jJAnI haiM', buddhi se aisA samajha meM AtA hai| praznakartA : buddhi se, lekina buddhi bhI vizeSa pariNAma hai na? dAdAzrI : saba vizeSa pariNAma hI haiM na! praznakartA : arthAt yaha aisA nahIM hai ki pratiSThita AtmA se AtmA prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| buddhi se jJAnI ko pahacAnatA hai| praznakartA : lekina yaha jo alaga karane kA hotA hai samajhane kI zakti se, yaha phAiloM kA samabhAva se nikAla (nipaTArA) karanA, jAgRti rakhanI vagairaha yaha saba kauna karavAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba prajJA karavAtI hai| praznakartA : to phira prajJA zuddhAtmA ke sAtha kA vizeSa pariNAma nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha vizeSa pariNAma nahIM hai| vaha zuddhAtmA kA, usakI upasthiti meM utpanna hone vAlA usakA khuda kA guNa hai lekina vaha kaba taka hai ? yahA~ para jaba yaha kAma kara legA na, to phira zuddhAtmA meM ekAkAra ho jaaegaa| ajJA vizeSa pariNAma hai aura prajJA khuda kA pariNAma hai| vizeSa pariNAma to, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ve vizeSa pariNAma kahalAte haiN| 'maiM', ahaMkAra aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ve saba vizeSa pariNAma kahalAte haiN| kaSAya vyatireka haiM, nahIM haiM 'tere' praznakartA : mujhe abhI bhI kabhI-kabhI gussA A jAtA hai| aisA patA calatA hai ki galata ho rahA hai lekina gussA A jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : yoM to usa gusse se hameM kyA lenA-denA hai? vaisA to

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136 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hogA kyoMki vaha to vizeSa bhAva hai| aura vaha viyogI svabhAva vAlA hai| Akara calA jaaegaa| krodha-mAna-mAya-lobha vizeSa bhAva se atireka (isakA matalaba hI hai vyatireka) ho gae the| AtmA ne nahIM kie haiM aura pudgala ne bhI nahIM kie haiM, ye vyatireka guNa utpanna ho gae haiN| yadi itanA samajha meM A jAe na, to phira aisA bhAna calA jAegA ki 'mujhe krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hote haiN| yaha jo vyatireka guNa utpanna huA hai, isase loga ulajhana meM par3a gae haiM ki mujha meM se ye krodha-mAna-mAya-lobha jA nahIM rahe haiN| 'are, vaha guNa terA hai hI nahIM, tU unase alaga ho jA na! ina dAdA ke pAsa Akara tU alaga ho jA na! ve apane Apa hI cale jaaeNge| na jAne kahA~ cale jAe~ge! vyatireka guNa haiM na! anvaya guNa nahIM haiM ve|' ___ anAdi ke vibhAva, jJAna hote hI... praznakartA : lekina karor3oM varSoM se jo vibhAva milA huA hai, vaha kaise chUTegA? dAdAzrI : vaha saba nahIM dekhanA hai ki vibhAva karoDoM varSoM se hai| sirpha dRSTi badalane se hI aisA dikhAI diyA hai| dRSTi isa tarapha ho jAe to phira kucha bhI nahIM hai| aise ghUma jAe to vApasa pichalA vaha saba dikhAI hI nahIM degA na! chUTa hI jAegA, rahegA hI nhiiN| krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha utpanna hue to phira (ajJAna dazA meM) 'usane' isa pudgala para dRSTi DAlI ki 'yaha maiMne kiyA', to phira (pudgala) usase cipaka gyaa| vAstava meM vaha nahIM karatA hai lekina use aisA AbhAsa hotA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN| koI lezamAtra bhI kucha kara sake, vaisA nahIM hai| bekAra hI igoiz2ama karatA hai| igoiz2ama arthAt kucha bhI na karanA, eka senTa bhI na karanA, isake bAvajUda bhI aisA kahanA ki 'maiMne kiyA', use kahate haiM igoij'm| pharka, jJAnI aura ajJAnI meM... praznakartA : Apane eka bAra kahA thA ki 'saMyoga to jJAnI ke bhI

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(1.10) vibhAva meM cetana kauna? pudgala kauna? 137 hote haiN'| aba ve khuda bhI use chUkara baiThe haiM to vahA~ para kyoM jJAnI ko vizeSa pariNAma utpanna nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : saMyoga to jJAnI ko bhI milate haiN| saMyoga to sabhI ko milate haiM ! jJAnI ke sAre saMyoga kaThora nahIM hote, halke hote haiN| talavAra AtI hai lekina ulTI lagatI hai, sIdhI nahIM lgtii| praznakartA : karma halke hote haiM yA komala hote haiM? dAdAzrI : hlke| Apako jo coTa lagatI hai na, vaha bahuta z2yAdA lagatA hai| jabaki hama para khAsa asara nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : ajJAnI ko bhI saMyoga milate haiN| to kyA unameM vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : aura jJAnI ko bhI saMyoga milate haiM isake bAvajUda bhI vahA~ para vizeSa pariNAma nahIM hote| vaha kisa vajaha se? dAdAzrI : nahIM hote| hameM to nikAla karanA hai, sthApana nahIM karanA hai| aba (saMyoga) nikAla hone ke lie AyA hai| praznakartA : lekina vizeSa pariNAma to utpanna hote haiM na, donoM meM hI? dAdAzrI : hote haiM na! lekina vaha lakSya meM rahatA hai na ki 'vaha (saMyoga) sthApita hone nahIM AyA hai!' isalie nikAla kara dete haiN| pariNAma to sabhI prakAra ke Ate haiM lekina hameM samajhanA cAhie ki 'yaha merA nahIM hai| (jJAna ke bAda mUla vizeSa pariNAma arthAt 'maiM', hamezA ke lie khatma ho jAtA hai lekina 'maiM' meM se utpanna hone vAle ahaMkAra ke jo vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote rahate haiN| jJAnI unakA nikAla karate rahate haiN|)

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[11] jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... avinAzI, vastu tathA vastu ke pariNAma bhI... saMyoga milane para pariNAmI vastue~ vipariNAmita ho jAtI haiN| isalie saMsAra khar3A ho jAtA hai| sone ko yadi lAkhoM sAloM taka bhI rakhe rakho phira bhI usakA svabhAva pariNAma nahIM bdltaa| hara eka 'vastu' apane svabhAva pariNAma ko hI bhajatI (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) hai| vipariNAma arthAt vizeSa pariNAma, viruddha pariNAma nahIM! yadi eka hI vastu ho to vaha usake khuda ke hI pariNAma meM rahatI hai, svapariNAma meM hI rahatI hai| lekina yadi do vastue~ mila jAe~ to vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho jAte haiN| yaha to aisA hai ki deha meM pA~ca vastue~ eka sAtha rahatI haiM, isalie bhrAMti se vizeSa pariNAma utpanna hote hI pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ke pAsa sattA A jAtI hai aura usake pariNAma bhugatane par3ate haiN| dUdha kA bigar3a jAnA, vaha to usakA svabhAva hai lekina dahI bananA, vaha usakA vizeSa pariNAma hai| vastuoM ke saMyogoM kI vajaha se ye vipariNAma dikhAI dete haiM aura vipariNAma ko dekhakara loga ulajhana meM par3a jAte haiN| maiM kaha rahA hU~ ki bAta ko smjho| mehanata karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| svapariNAma ko samajho aura vizeSa pariNAma ko smjho| AtmA vibhAvika (viruddha bhAvI) nahIM huA hai| yaha to vizeSa pariNAma hai aura vAstava meM to vizeSa pariNAma kA 'enDa' (aMta) A jAtA hai| 'vastu' avinAzI hai| usake pariNAma bhI avinAzI haiN| sirpha

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... 139 vizeSa pariNAma vinAzI haiN| yadi hama isa bAta ko samajha leM to donoM kA 'mikscara' nahIM hogaa| arthAt donoM apane khuda ke pariNAma ko bhjeNge| ___hama meM' to 'AtmA' AtmapariNAma meM rahatA hai aura 'mana' mana ke pariNAma meM rahatA hai| mana meM tanmayAkAra hone para vizeSa pariNAma AtA hai| 'AtmA' svapariNAma se paramAtmA hai! donoM apane-apane pariNAma meM A jAe~ aura apane-apane pariNAma ko bhajeM to usI ko kahate haiM mokSa! yadi 'khuda ne' yaha jAna liyA ki yaha 'vizeSa pariNAma' hai to vahI 'svapariNAma' hai| 'vizeSa pariNAma' meM acchA-burA nahIM hotaa| ajJAna' se mukti arthAt ye 'khuda ke pariNAma' aura ye 'vipariNAma', isa prakAra se donoM alaga haiM, aisA samajhatA hai| jabaki 'mokSa' kA artha hai 'vizeSa pariNAma' kA baMda ho jAnA! 'svabhAva-pariNAma' ko hI 'mokSa' kahA jAtA ___ 'dAnezvarI' dAna detA hai yA 'cora' corI karatA hai, ve donoM 'apaneapane' pariNAma ko bhajate (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) haiM, usameM rAga-dveSa karane jaisA kahA~ rahA? yadi vaha khada vizeSa bhAva meM pariNAmita ho jAe to jIva bana jAtA hai aura yadi vizeSa bhAva kA jJAtA-dRSTA rahe to paramAnaMda detA hai| 'vizeSa pariNAma' se kyA huA? yaha 'mikenikala cetana' bana gayA, 'pudgala' bana gayA, 'pUraNa-galana' vAlA bana gyaa| jaba taka 'apanA' svarUpa 'vaha' hai, 'bilIpha' bhI vahI hai, taba taka chUTa nahIM paaeNge| pratikramaNa kisa cIz2a ke karane haiM ? 'apane' 'vipariNAma' kI vajaha se ye jo saMyoga milate haiM, ve (vipariNAma) pratikramaNa se miTa jAte haiN| vAstava meM daraasala sAinTisTa ko pratikramaNa kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| yaha to isalie hai ki loga bhulAve meM A jAte haiN| asala sAinTisTa to isameM u~galI DAleMge hI nhiiN| 'da varlDa ija da sAinsa!' (AptasUtra-4177-4186) praznakartA : to phira dAdA, jaba ye do svataMtra guNadhArI pudgala

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140 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) milate haiM aura vizeSa bhAva utpanna hotA hai, taba phira kyA ve apane orijanala svataMtra guNoM ko kho dete haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, svataMtra guNa vaise ke vaise hI rahate haiN| vizeSa guNa utpanna hote haiN| praznakartA : mAna lIjie ki yaha dUdha hai, dUdha meM se dahIM bnaa| yaha vizeSa bhAva se hI huA hai na? dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva se| praznakartA : to phira, usakA dUdha kA guNa to huA na, svataMtra guNa? dUdha kA svataMtra guNa... dAdAzrI : dUdha koI 'vastu' nahIM hai| vaha to samajhAne ke lie eka sthUla udAharaNa hai, ekjekTa 'vastu' nahIM hai| 'vastu' apane svabhAva sahita avinAzI hotI hai| dUdha ko 'vastu' nahIM kahA jA sakatA na! isa jagat meM A~khoM dekhI koI bhI vastu, 'vastu' nahIM kahI jA sktii| sunI huI koI vastu, 'vastu' nahIM kahI jA sktii| 'vastu' (zAzvata) honI caahie| praznakartA : kyA dUdha vizeSa bhAva hai? dAdAzrI : dUdha to 'vastu' kahalAegA hI nahIM na! jo chaH avinAzI tattva haiM, unheM 'vastu' kahA jAtA hai jabaki dUdha to avasthA hai| arthAt ye chaH tattva, una do tattvoM ke milate hI vizeSa pariNAma utpanna ho jAtA hai| jo vipariNAma ko jAne, vahI svapariNAma praznakartA : 'ye vizeSa pariNAma haiM, yadi khuda ne vaha jAna liyA to vahI svapariNAma hai| vizeSa pariNAma meM acchA-burA nahIM hotaa| vizeSa pariNAma baMda ho jAe~ to usa svabhAva-pariNAma ko hI mokSa kahA jAtA hai|' yAnI isameM kisa prakAra se hai, vaha saba samajhAie n|

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... 141 dAdAzrI : svapariNAma jAnatA hai ki yaha vizeSa pariNAma hai| usase imozanalapana ho rahA hai| yaha kharAba dikhAI detA hai, phalAnA dikhAI detA hai, yaha nAlAyaka hai, aisA hai, vaisA hai', aisA saba kahatA hai, ve sabhI sirpha vizeSa pariNAma haiN| ye saba vizeSa pariNAma haiN| jo aisA jAnatA hai ki ye saba vizeSa pariNAma haiM, vahI svapariNAma hai| pUrA hI pudgala 'vyavasthita' ke kabje meM hai aura Apa khuda apane sva ke kabje meM ho| Apa pudgala ke guNoM aura pudgala kI avasthAoM ko ApakI khuda kI avasthA mAnate ho, vahI vibhAva hai| lekina yadi pudgala kI avasthAoM ko aura pudgala ke guNoM ko apane nahIM mAno to vaha svabhAva hai| jo acchA-burA dikhAI detA hai, ve pudgala kI vibhAvika avasthAe~ haiN| isameM yaha acchA aura yaha burA aise vibhAga mata bnaanaa| acche aura bare ko alaga mata krnaa| acchA bhI vibhAvika hai aura burA bhI vibhAvika hai| Age? praznakartA : 'vizeSa pariNAma meM acchA-burA nahIM hotaa|' dAdAzrI : vizeSa pariNAma meM yaha acchA aura yaha burA aisA nahIM hai| loga vizeSa pariNAma meM acchA-burA mAnate haiM kyoMki abhI bhI unameM ve pahale vAle saMskAra haiM, sAmAjika saMskAra haiN| kyA gAya-bhaiMsoM ke lie kucha acchA-burA hotA hai? kyA ve korTa meM gae? dAvA dAyara karate haiM koI ? acchA-burA kahane se saMsAra khar3A ho gayA hai| vaha to pariNAma hI hai| usameM acchA-burA kyA hai? aisA hai ki yadi garama kar3hI parosI jAe taba loga kahate haiM ki 'garama hai' aura ThaMDI parosI jAe taba kahate haiM, ki 'bilkula ThaMDA hI parosate haiN| garama aura ThaMDA kahane meM koI parezAnI nahIM hai lekina yoM pakSadhara bana gayA hai| praznakartA : garama kA pakSadhara hai isalie use ThaMDA acchA nahIM lgtaa| dAdAzrI : lekina use z2yAdA garama lagatA hai| to bhAI, garama to

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1) 142 hogA hI na ! phU~kakara pI / cAya kyA aisA kahatI hai ki tU ekadama se pI jA? eka AdamI to, jaba relagAr3I calane lagI to phira kyA karatA ? cAya vAle ne kahA, 'bhAI, kapa lAo, kapa laao'| to usake mana meM aisA AyA ki cAya pheMka dU~gA to paise bekAra jAe~ge na! to socA, 'calo na aMdara hI DAla duuN'| to vaha ekadama se pI gayA! u~Dela dii| hoziyAra thA na! bahuta pakkA iMsAna, tere jaisA ! lekina becArA jala gayA / bahuta takalIpha huI becAre ko / praznakartA: paise bacAe usane / dAdAzrI : hA~, paise nahIM bigar3e na / hoMge usake bhAgya bahuta pakke ! phira Age kyA hai ? praznakartA : 'ajJAna se mukti arthAt ye khuda ke pariNAma aura ye vipariNAma, isa prakAra se ina donoM ko samajhatA hai / ' dAdAzrI : ajJAna se mukti, aba loga isakA artha kyA samajhate haiM? lo! dAdA ne yaha khoja kI ki ajJAna dvArA mukti hotI hai / are bhAI, aisA nahIM hai / ajJAna se mukti arthAt ajJAna meM se mukta ho jAegA, jabaki ye loga kyA kahate haiM ki ajJAna dvArA mukti milatI hai| agara isakA ulTA artha nikAleM to kyA ho sakatA hai ? use khuda ko bhI ajJAna hai na! vaha use apanI bhASA meM le jAtA hai phira / praznakartA : ye tInoM vAkya akhaMDa haiM / dAdAzrI : tIsarA vAkya / dUsarA vAkya to use helpa karatA hai| isalie phira usakA artha gAyaba ho jAtA hai / jaba sirpha yahI vAkya rahe na, taba kahatA hai, ajJAna dvArA mukti milatI hai / lekina dUsare loga usakI bAta nahIM mAnate, AsapAsa ke vAkyoM ko hI dekhate haiM / praznakartA : ajJAna se mukti arthAt ye khuda ke pariNAma haiM aura ye vipariNAma, donoM ko isa prakAra se samajhatA hai / dAdAzrI : ye mere pariNAma haiM, ve vizeSa pariNAma haiN|

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... 143 praznakartA : aMdara aisA kisa prakAra se samajhanA hai ki ye mere pariNAma haiM aura ye vizeSa pariNAma haiM? dAdAzrI : jo 'dekhanA aura jAnanA' hai, ve sabhI pariNAma mere haiM aura bAkI ke saba jo haiM, ve inake (pudgala ke) haiM, pUrA hI kartA bhaag| vaha buddhi dvArA jAnA huA nahIM hai| buddhi dvArA dekhanA aura jAnanA, vahI para-pariNAma haiM, ve vizeSa pariNAma haiN| cAya meM cInI DAlate haiM taba pIsakara kyoM nahIM DAlate? isalie kyoMki cInI kA svabhAva hI ghulane kA hai| usI prakAra Apako samajha lenA hai ki AtmA kA svabhAva hI UrdhvagAmI hai| zAzvata hai, AtmA kA pratyeka pariNAma sanAtana hai jabaki AtmA ke alAvA bAkI kA sabhI kucha guru-laghu svabhAva vAlA hai, ve vizeSa pariNAma haiN| hameM to sirpha jAna lenA hai ki ye vizeSa pariNAma haiM aura maiM to zuddhAtmA huuN| yadi zuddha pariNAma dvArA isa prakAra ke vizeSa pariNAmoM se alaga nahIM raha pAte haiM to taya kara lenA hai ki ye saba jo haiM, ve vizeSa pariNAma haiM aura ve nAzavaMta haiM jabaki maiM zAzvata ke svapariNAma vAlA huuN| aham aura vibhAva apanA kahanA kyA hai ki bhAI, AtmA meM koI bhI badalAva nahIM AyA hai| AtmA jo hai, vaha vaise kA vaisA hI rahA hai| sirpha vizeSa bhAva se tujha meM ahaMkAra khar3A ho gayA hai| aham bhAva khar3A ho gayA hai, 'vizeSa bhAva arthAt 'maiM hI hU~' abhI, aura kauna hai? mere sivAya koI hai nhiiN| dUsarA koI to hai nahIM!' praznakartA : kyA aham ke vilaya hone ke bAda meM vizeSa bhAva rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! usake bAda meM aisA kahA jAegA ki vizeSa bhAva khatma ho gyaa| praznakartA : to phira yaha dhIre-dhIre kama hotA hai yA eka tarapha aham khatma hotA hai aura dUsarI tarapha vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai ?

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144 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : pahale aham hai| jaba se 'use' aisI pratIti hotI hai ki 'aham' eka galata jJAna hai, tabhI se aham TUTane lagatA hai| tabhI se mUla AtmA kI tarapha jAne lagatA hai, svabhAva kI tarapha jAne lagatA hai| isa vizeSa bhAva kI bajAya svabhAva kI tarapha jAne lagatA hai| praznakartA : donoM Amane-sAmane hI haiM, kAunTara veTa kI taraha? jaise-jaise isa tarapha yaha pratIti bar3hatI jAtI hai ki aham bhAva galata hai, kyA vaise-vaise vaha vizeSa bhAva bhI maMda hotA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : aham bhAva jitanA vilaya hotA jAegA, utanA hI vizeSa bhAva vilaya hotA jaaegaa| praznakartA : aura yadi aham bhAva saMpUrNataH khatma ho jAe to? dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jaaegaa| svabhAva rhegaa| donoM ke jAti svabhAva rheNge| pudgala, pudgala ke svabhAva meM aura AtmA, AtmA ke svabhAva meN| donoM jaise the, vApasa vaise hI ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : to phira ye jo mana-vacana-kAyA raha jAte haiM, ve? mana ke vicAra raha jAte haiM, vANI raha jAtI hai to isa pravartana aura vizeSa bhAva ke bIca koI saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : unakA koI lenA-denA nahIM haiN| ahaMkAra hI vizeSa bhAva hai| ahaMkAra arthAt aham bhAva, vahI vizeSa bhAva hai| jahA~ para khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ para aham bhAva karatA hai ki 'yaha saba maiM huuN'| vahI vizeSa bhAva hai| jaba 'use' yaha samajha meM AtA hai ki 'yaha aham bhAva galata cIz2a hai aura dUsarI vastu sahI hai', jaba aisI pratIti baiThatI hai, taba mUla vizeSa pariNAma khatma ho jAtA hai| phira usakA aham bhAva vilaya hone lagatA hai| tabhI se vizeSa bhAva (para-pariNAma) vilaya hone lagatA hai| aham bhAva ke khatma hote hI vizeSa bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai aura svabhAva bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| taba taka yaha kriyA calatI rahatI hai, aham bhAva kama hotA jAtA hai, svabhAva bhAva bar3hatA jAtA hai| aham bhAva kama hotA jAtA hai, svabhAva bhAva bar3hatA jAtA hai| jaba taka donoM pUrNatA prApta nahIM

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... 145 kara lete taba taka aisA calatA rahatA hai| isa tarapha aham bhAva pUrI taraha se khatma ho jAtA hai, aura isa tarapha pUrI taraha se svabhAva-bhAva pUrNa ho jAtA hai, aisA hisAba hai! akrama mArga meM jJAna milate hI mUla vizeSa bhAva jo ki do tattvoM ke pAsa-pAsa Ane ke kAraNa hotA hai, vaha calA jAtA hai lekina vizeSa pariNAma ke vizeSa pariNAma, jo ki para-pariNAma haiM, ve kramazaH khatma ho jAte haiN| praznakartA : to yaha vibhAva pUrI taraha se calA jAtA hai yA kramazaH jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : jaba vibhAva miTatA hai to kramazaH miTatA hai aura yaha svabhAva kramaza: khilatA hai| yAnI jitanA anubhava hotA jAtA hai utanA hI khilatA jAtA hai| svabhAva eka hI dina meM nahIM khila utthtaa| praznakartA : ' lakSa thakI upara jaI beThAM, saMyogono jJAtA-dRSTA mAtra rahyo.' ('lakSa kI vajaha se Upara jA baiThA, saMyogoM kA jJAtA-dRSTA mAtra rhaa|') dAdAzrI : vibhAva miTa gyaa| praznakartA : ' mokSa kahyo che svabhAva tAro. vibhAvathI tuM pakaDAyo.' ('mokSa ko terA svabhAva kahA gayA hai| vibhAva ke kAraNa tU pha~sa gayA hai|') 'vibhAva maTatAM svarUpamAM tuM krame krame have khIlI rahyo.' ('vibhAva miTate hI aba tU kramazaH svarUpa meM khila rahA hai|') jitanA svabhAva utpanna hotA hai, kyA usa vibhAva ko hama prajJA kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : prajJA vibhAva nahIM hai| vizeSa bhAva kitanA kama huA aura svabhAva kitanA utpanna huA, bar3hA, jo una saba ko jAnatA hai, vaha prajJA hai| usa samaya jo yaha saba jAnatA hai ki 'AtmA kyA hai, vaha pUrNa prajJA hai| praznakartA : prajJA bhI isa taraha se ghaTatI-bar3hatI rahatI hai na? dAdAzrI : ghaTatI-bar3hatI hai na! ghaTatI-bar3hatI hai| guru-laghu hotI rahatI hai kyoMki aMta meM jaba svabhAva bhAva pUrNa ho jAtA hai aura aham

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146 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) bhAva khatma ho jAtA hai taba vaha prajJA khuda bhI khatma ho jAtI hai| taba taka kAma karatI hai| kevalajJAna ke bAda meM nahIM rahatA vibhAva praznakartA : ye jo tIrthaMkara aura kevalI haiM, ve samaya-samaya kI jAgRti meM rahate haiM, to usa samaya unakI jAgRti kaisI hotI hai ? pratyeka samaya meM jo vizeSa bhAva hote haiM, unheM vizeSa bhAva ke taura para dekhate rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! unameM vizeSa bhAva utpanna hI nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : yAnI ki svabhAva meM hI A gae? dAdAzrI : svabhAva meM A gae, isIlie to asara nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : dekhanA kyA hai? sirpha pudgala ko hI dekhate haiM? unakI vaha jAgRti kahA~ para rahatI hai phira? dAdAzrI : sabhI jJeyoM meN| praznakartA : arthAt ve svAbhAvika rUpa se jJeya ke jJAtA-dRSTA rahA karate haiM? dAdAzrI : basa! itanA hii| anya kucha nhiiN| ebsalyUTa arthAt sAMsArika vicAra Ane hI baMda ho cuke hote haiM! 'khuda' khuda ke hI pariNAma ko bhajatA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) hai ! vaijJAnika jJAnI kI bAteM vaijJAnika haiM yA nahIM? praznakartA : vaijJAnika haiN| dAdAzrI : haM, vaijJAnika bAtoM ke bAre meM apane zAstroM meM logoM ne ye ulajhaneM khar3I kara dI haiN| isa saba ko ulajhAkara rakha diyA hai jabaki ve loga (tIrthaMkara) to jitanA batA sakate the utanA batAkara gae aura bAda meM kahakara gae, avaktavya aura avrnnniiy| logoM ne likhA hai ki

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba .... avaktavya hai aura avarNanIya... to phira bhAI isameM kyoM DhU~Dha rahe ho? bAhara DhU~Dho na, vahA~ para! ye (zAstra) to sirpha borDa hI batA rahe haiM, 'go deara (vahA~ para jAo ) ' / to kyA phira vahA~ para borDa ke sAmane hI baiThe rahanA hai ? 147 vItarAga jAnate the, ye sArI bAteM / hindustAna meM jo vItarAga ho cuke haiM, lekina una vItarAgoM ne jitanI bAteM zabdoM meM kahI jA sakeM, utanI bAteM btaaiiN| usase z2yAdA kaise batA sakate the ? zabda se arthAt niHzabda vastu kI, AtmA niHzabda, avaktavya aura avarNanIya hai| usakA varNana kisa taraha karate ? praznakartA : nahIM ho sakatA / dAdAzrI : aura isa jagat kA varNana kisa taraha kareM, jahA~ para zabda haiM hI nhiiN| duniyA ko yaha kaise samajha meM AegA ? ye koI buddhi ke khela thor3e hI haiM? kyA buddhi aisI hai ki vahA~ taka pahu~ca sake? bahuta sUkSma bAta hai| maiM yaha jo kaha rahA hU~, vaha moTI bhASA kI bAta kara rahA huuN| maiMne jo dekhA hai na, usa bAta ko vistAra pUrvaka samajhAne meM bhI dera lgegii| usa bhASA meM zabda haiM hI nahIM na ! praznakartA: nahIM ! lekina Apake ye jo sAinTiphika zabda nikalate na, ve aise nikalate haiM ki ekz2ekTa, bahuta hI spaSTa rUpa se samajhA dete haiM haiN| dAdAzrI : vaisA to hogA hI na, kyoMki dekhA hai, islie| phira bhI ekz2ekTa to kaha hI nahIM sakate na ! vaha bhI to dekhe hue kA varNana hai| zabda haiM hI nahIM vahA~ para / jaise-taise DhU~Dhakara bolane par3ate haiM zabda / apanI bhASA meM samajha meM A jAe aisA saba DhU~Dhakara kahanA par3atA hai| isake bAvajUda bhI yaha vANI vyatireka guNoM meM se nikalI hai| praznakartA : arthAt vaha guNa krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha rahita hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM- nahIM ! krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha meM se hI banI huI cIz2a hai yh|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) praznakartA : lekina yaha to uttama vANI hai, yathAyogya vANI hai I I dAdAzrI : uttama vANI hai, phira bhI yaha isameM se hI banI hai / yaha kauna sI bhASA hai ? yaha rileTiva bhASA nahIM hai, riyala rileTiva vAlI hai / 148 praznakartA: dAdA, hamAre lie to yaha nayA hI nikalA, haM! aisI to ye kitanI hI bAteM jaba dAdA ke pAsa akele baiThe hoM taba sunI jA sakatI haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha to vaisA TAima Ane para hI nikalatI haiN| varnA nikalatI nahIM haiM na ! aisA saMyoga milanA cAhie, TAima AnA cAhie, usa taraha se kSetra badalate rahanA cAhie / eka jagaha para baiThe-baiThe kaise nikaleMge? kSetra badalatA rahe (alaga-alaga jagaha para satsaMga ho) taba aisA nikalatA hai ! praznakartA : to kyA aisA hai ki riyala rileTiva kI bhASA vyatireka guNoM meM se hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha riyala rileTiva hai, isalie isakA pramANa dUsarI jagaha para nahIM milegaa| yaha pramANa svataMtra hai| yaha bhASA, yaha artha, ye sabhI svataMtra haiM aura ye aise haiM ki vahA~ para logoM kI buddhi sthira ho jAtI hai, aise haiM ki buddhi zAMta ho jAtI hai / ye javAba riyala rileTiva haiM jabaki rileTiva meM to buddhi vaha kUdatI hai / yaha saba samajhane jaisA hai| praznakartA : isakA (vANI kA) udbhava riyala rileTiva meM se huA hai arthAt... dAdAzrI : hai rileTiva, lekina kauna sA rileTiva ? to vaha hai riyala rileTiva / vaha ( sAMsArika) rileTiva rileTiva hai / pahalA, riyala rileTiva, dUsarA, rileTiva aura tIsarA, rileTiva rileTiva / ye tIna kanekzana haiM / yaha bAta inameM se pahale kanekzana kI hai / iMsAna pahale kanekzana meM nahIM pahu~ca sktaa| yadi vaha pahu~ca sake to usakI vANI TeparikaoNrDara bana jaaegii|

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba .... svakSetra hai daravAz2A siddha kSetra kA praznakartA : jaba dekho taba, dAdA Apa vaise ke vaise hI lagate haiM, koI pharka nahIM lgtaa| yaha kyA hai ? 149 dAdAzrI : kyA yaha koI phUla hai jo murajhA jAe? inameM aMdara paramAtmA prakaTa hokara baiThe haiM ! varnA jarjarita hue dikhAI dete ! jahA~ parabhAva kA kSaya huA hai, niraMtara svabhAva jAgRti rahatI hai / jise parabhAva ke prati kiMcitmAtra bhI ruci nahIM rahI, eka aNu - paramANu jitanI bhI ruci nahIM hai, phira use kyA cAhie ? parabhAva ke kSaya se aura adhika AnaMda kA anubhava hotA hai aura Apa usa kSaya kI tarapha dRSTi rakhanA / jitanA parabhAva kSaya hogA utanA hI svabhAva meM sthita hogA / basa, itanA hI samajhane jaisA hai, anya kucha karane jaisA nahIM hai| jaba taka parabhAva hai taba taka parakSetra hai / parabhAva gayA ki svakSetra meM kucha dera rahakara aura siddha kSetra meM sthita ho jaaegaa| svakSetra, vaha siddha kSetra kA daravAz2A hai ! to yaha jo pha~sA huA hai, vaha kisa prakAra se chUTegA ? taba kahate haiM ki, 'jaba yaha khuda ke svarUpa ko jAnegA taba chUTegA aura phira jaba vaha usa jagaha para pahu~cegA, jahA~ para anya koI tattva hai hI nahIM, taba anya tattva usa para asara nahIM DAleMge aura tabhI khuda mukta raha skegaa| lekina yahA~ para to sabakucha hai to dUsare tattva usa para asara DAle bagaira raheMge hI nhiiN| yaha bAta samajha meM A rahI hai ? bahuta sUkSma bAteM haiM ye sArI / I anya tattvoM kA asara hai yaha / aba usa asara ke khatma hue binA vaha mukti kisa prakAra se pAegA? yadi khuda ke svarUpa ko jAne aura sephasAiDa ho jAe to usake bAda vaha vahA~ para phuNcegaa| vahA~ para siddhagati meM anya tattvoM ke nahIM hone ke kAraNa hamezA ke lie siddha sthiti meM rahegA aura aisA niyama pUrvaka hai, yaha gappa nahIM hai / bilkula niyama pUrvaka / jaise eka se sau taka kI rakama hotI hai na, to ar3atAlIsa ke bAda unacAsa AtA hai, unacAsa ke bAda pacAsa AtA hai / usameM bilkula bhI gappa nahIM hai| T

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150 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) arthAt siddha kSetra meM jAne ke bAda meM sva-svarUpa khatma nahIM hotaa| siddha kSetra meM jAne ke lie, jJAnI puruSa ne jo jJAna diyA ho, prakAza diyA ho aura AtmA alaga kara diyA ho, usake bAda unakI AjJA kA pAlana karo to alaga kA alaga hI rhegaa| usase sabhI karma kSaya ho jAe~ge aura phira eka-do janmoM meM mokSa meM calA jaaegaa| usake bAda vahA~ para vizeSa bhAva nahIM hogaa| aloka meM sirpha AkAza hI hai aura siddha kSetra meM anya koI jJeya nahIM haiM, to phira jJAtA ke lie anya kucha rahA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : vahA~ para jJeya nahIM hai to phira Apa jo kahate haiM na ki siddha kSetra meM jAne ke bAda meM vaha sirpha dekhatA aura jAnatA hai| to kyA vaha isa loka kA dekhatA va jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : pUre hI loka kaa| jaba do tattva naz2adIka hote haiM taba use vibhAva ho jAtA hai| siddha kSetra meM usake naz2adIka koI hai hI nahIM na! siddha loka meM anya koI vastu hai hI nahIM na, yAnI ki use sAmIpya bhAva nahIM hai| kucha bhI nahIM hai| yahA~ para to yaha loka hai| loka meM saba vastuoM kA sAmIpya bhAva hai| isalie dUsarI vastu ke sAmIpya bhAva se vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA jaba siddha kSetra meM zuddha dazA meM jAtA hai to phira ve paramANu kahA~ rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : kauna se? praznakartA : acetana vaale| dAdAzrI : vaha to, vilaya ho jAne ke bAda meM hI jAtA hai na! aura z2arA se jo baca jAte haiM, ve kucha dera taka hI caudahaveM guNa sthAnaka meM rahate haiM, phira jaise hI ve cale jAte haiM taba vaha khuda calA jAtA hai Upara siddha kSetra meN| usake bAda dharmAstikAya use Upara chor3a AtA hai|

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(1.11) jaba vizeSa pariNAma kA aMta AtA hai taba... 151 praznakartA : phira use kabhI bhI sparza nahIM karate, phira koI bhI vastu use sparza nahIM karatI? dAdAzrI : phira vahA~ para to koI saMyoga hai hI nhiiN| saMyoga hoMge tabhI vizeSa bhAva hogA na! saMyoga hI nahIM hoMge to phira vizeSa bhAva kaisA? praznakartA : aura ve saMyoga to, jaba saMsAra meM rahate haiM tabhI milate haiM na? dAdAzrI : isa loka meN| praznakartA : isa loka meM rahatA hai tabhI vizeSa bhAva hotA hai| usa loka meM nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : jise aloka kahate haiM, vahA~ para nhiiN| inameM se jaba use khuda ko khuda kA bhAna prakaTa hotA hai, taba vaha alaga ho jAtA hai| taba vaha vahA~ para jAtA hai, jahA~ para phira se anya kisI tattva kA sammelana nahIM hotA isalie vahA~ para phira koI parivartana nahIM hotaa| siddha kSetra meM anya tattva nahIM haiN| yaha to pUrA hI vijJAna hai !

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[12] 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti ahaMkAra utpanna huA yoM... praznakartA : igo ko utpanna karane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : isa jagat meM chaH tatva haiN| cetana, pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai), gatisahAyaka, sthitisahAyaka, AkAza aura kaal| AtmA kA pravahana hai| vaha pravAha meM baha hI rahA hai| isa pravAha meM ina pA~ca tattvoM kA dabAva Ane se vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai aura aham utpanna hotA hai| usake prabhAva se yaha igo utpanna ho jAtA hai| onlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiN| yaha vijJAna hai| praznakartA : jaba jIva nigoda meM se AyA, taba krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha aura ahaMkAra nahIM the, to phira jIva pha~sA kaise? mUlataH ve Ae kahA~ se? kisa kAraNa se Ae? kyoM eka bhI jIva ahaMkAra rahita nahIM dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra to rahatA hI hai, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha to rahate hI haiN| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kyoM rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra to hara eka meM rahatA hai, nigoda meM to pUrNa rUpa se ghora aMdhakAra hI thaa| praznakartA : kyA mAyA mUla rUpa se igo hI hai? dAdAzrI : isa tarapha dekhA to saMsAra (sarjita) huA, mAyA va

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 153 mamatA utpanna ho gae aura isa tarapha dekhA to vahA~ mokSa ho gyaa| vahA~ para svarUpa A gyaa| praznakartA : to kyA pahale ajJAna nahIM thA? dAdAzrI : ajJAna to thA hI na! jJAna kA pradAna karane para jJAna milatA hai| praznakartA : to kyA pahale jJAna yA ajJAna nahIM thA? dAdAzrI : ajJAna rahatA hai lekina vaha sUkSma rUpa meM rahatA hai aura phira bAhara ke saMyogoM ke milane para bAhara dikhAI detA hai, bAhara nikalatA hai| 'maiM zuddhAtmA', kyA vahI ahaMkAra hai? praznakartA : hama sAdhAraNatayA bAta karate hue bhI kahate haiM ki merA AtmA aisA kaha rahA hai lekina aisA nahIM kahate ki 'maiM AtmA huuN'| to isameM 'maiM' kauna hai aura 'AtmA' kauna hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' ahaMkAra hai aura 'AtmA' mUla vastu hai| praznakartA : 'maiM' kahA~ se zurU huA? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to Apa ho hii| 'maiM' ko nikAla nahIM denA hai| isa ahaMkAra ko nikAlanA hai| ahaMkAra kisa prakAra se huA? aMdara AtmA zuddha hI hai| yaha ahaMkAra to, vyatireka guNoM kI vajaha se usakI upasthiti meM utpanna ho gayA hai| praznakartA : lekina kyA vaha ahaMkAra svAbhAvika hai? dAdAzrI : svAbhAvika to isameM koI bhI cIz2a nahIM hai| ye to avasthita cIjeM haiM, vizeSa bhAvI haiN| ye svAbhAvika vastue~ nahIM haiN| svAbhAvika vastu hamezA avinAzI hotI hai aura vizeSa-bhAvI vinAzI hotI hai|

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154 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) 'maiM hI zuddhAtmA hU~' rahe aura bAkI saba roMga bilIpheM chUTa jAe~ taba ahaMkAra jAtA hai| vaha kaba taka ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai ? jaba taka 'use' khuda kI zakti kA, khuda ke aizvarya kA bhAna nahIM hai aura jaba taka vaha anya vastu kA hI ciMtana karatA hai, taba taka ahaMkAra hai| vaha vizeSa pariNAma hai| ina donoM ko alaga kara diyA jAe to donoM mukta ho jaaeNge| usake bAda kucha bhI nahIM hai| lekina sAmIpya bhAva ke kAraNa ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA hai| yaha pUrA saMsAra kAla sAmIpya bhAva vAlA hai| jaba aisA bhAna hotA hai ki 'khuda kauna hai' taba phira ahaMkAra nahIM rhtaa| praznakartA : lekina 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha bhI ahaMkAra to hai hI na? dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra nahIM khlaataa| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha khuda kA, vastutva kA bhAna hai| praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA bhAva karanA hI par3atA hai na hameM? dAdAzrI : aisA bhAva karane meM koI Apatti nahIM hai| vaha eka prakAra kA bhAva hai, lekina use ahaMkAra nahIM mAnA jaataa| ahaMkAra arthAt khuda jo nahIM hai, vaisA kahanA use kahate haiM ahNkaar| khuda jo nahIM hai, usake lie kahatA hai ki 'maiM yaha huuN'| dehadhArI khuda nahIM hai, phira bhI kahatA hai ki 'maiM dehadhArI hU~', nAmadhArI khuda nahIM hai phira bhI 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, cAcA hU~, mAmA hU~', vaha sArA ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : to 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : khuda ke astitva kA bhAna hai hI lekina 'maiM kauna hU~' vaha bhAna ho gayA, vaha khuda kA vastutva kahalAtA hai| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', usa vastu ko jAna liyA ki 'khuda kauna hai' aura phira jaba pUrNatva ho jAtA hai taba 'maiM' bhI calA jAtA hai| bhalA aMdhe ahaMkAra ko cazme ? praznakartA : rileTiva vyU poinTa se 'Ai', caMdUbhAI hai aura riyala

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 155 vyU poinTa se 'Ai', zuddhAtmA hai, to vaha 'Ai' eka hI hai ? ina donoM meM 'Ai' hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' zuddhAtmA to hU~ hii| phira 'use' bhrAMti ho gaI ki yaha gAr3I cala rahI hai yA maiM cala rahA hU~? yAnI ki use aisA lagA ki maiM cala rahA huuN| isalie phira 'maiM' meM se ho gayA ahaMkAra ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI, maiM mgnbhaaii'| phira ahaMkAra ko aMdhA bnaayaa| use cazme pahanAtA hai, pAsTa (pUrva) karma ke hisAba se| isalie phira vApasa saba aMdhepana se hI dekhatA hai ki 'merI vAipha ne hI dagA diyA hai| aisA dikhAtA hai| praznakartA : cazme kI vajaha se hI aisA dikhAI detA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| vAstava meM aisA hai nahIM lekina use cazme kI vajaha se aisA dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : 'vaha yaha kara rahA hai, isI ne kiyA hai', yaha saba cazme kI vajaha se dikhAI detA hai ? dAdAzrI : cazme kI vajaha se dikhAI detA hai| usI prakAra se ahaMkAra ko cazme hote haiM isIlie sabhI, 'kharAba hai, acchA hai aura phalAnA hai', aisA dikhAI detA hai| ahaMkAra kise AyA? praznakartA : lekina yadi yaha ahaMkAra nahIM hotA to Atmazodha kisa prakAra se hotI? kucha to sApekSa hai hI na? dAdAzrI : vaha nahIM hotA yA hotA, vaha to ajJAnatA kA svabhAva hai ki ajJAnatA ke binA to ahaMkAra khar3A hI nahIM rhegaa| jaba taka ajJAnatA thI taba taka hama meM bhI ahaMkAra thaa| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kahA~ se AyA aura kise huA? dAdAzrI : kahA~ se AyA aura kaba, vaha alaga cIz2a hai, lekina ise jo bhogatA hai na, vaha ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra kise huA?

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156 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : jise nAsamajhI hai use| ahaMkAra ajJAna ko huaa| praznakartA : ajJAna kisakA hai? dAdAzrI : do cIjeM haiM, ajJAna aura jJAna / jJAna arthAt AtmA aura ajJAna arthAt anaatmaa| use ahaMkAra huA, ajJAna ko| arthAt ahaMkAra huA isalie yaha saba ho gyaa| taba phira rAta-dina ciMtA-parezAnI, saMsAra meM acchA nahIM lagatA phira bhI par3e rahanA par3atA hai na, kahA~ jAe~? kahA~ jA sakatA hai? vahIM ke vhiiN| arthAt yahIM palaMga para par3e rahanA par3atA hai, nIMda na Ae phira bhI! praznakartA : ahaMkAra kahA~ se utpanna huA? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hI ajJAna hai n| ajJAna aura jJAna, do alaga cIjeM haiN| mAna lIjie apane yahA~ para abhI koI bar3e seTha Ae haiM, ve seTha bahuta acchI bAtacIta karate haiM, lekina agara koI unheM AdhA ratala (200 grAma) brAnDI pilA de, to phira ve kaisI bAteM kareMge? praznakartA : brAnDI kA saMyoga ho gayA isalie dUsarI taraha kI bAta kreNge| dAdAzrI : ye jo saMyoga mile haiM na, isalie aisA saba ho gayA hai| jJAna svarUpa ko saMyoga mila gae haiM isalie yaha bhrAMti utpanna huI hai| jaise ki ve seTha to aisA kahate haiM na ki 'maiM to pradhAnamaMtrI hU~, aisA hU~, vaha hU~', kahatA hai... praznakartA : dAdA, to jJAna kahA~ se utpanna huA? dAdAzrI : jJAna to utpanna hI nahIM hotA na! jJAna to paramAnenTa vastu hai| bAhara kI vastuoM kI vajaha se ajJAna utpanna ho gyaa| jaise ki seTha ne zarAba pI lI na, sNyogvsh| ataH phira jaba ina saba saMyogoM se chUTa jAe~ge taba mukti hogii| praznakartA : bhAva kiyA to phira vaha ajJAna kA saMyoga huA na use?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 157 dAdAzrI : bhAva kA koI savAla nahIM hai| ajJAna kA saMyoga nahIM miltaa| dUsare saMyoga milate haiN| zarAba pI lI na! yaha jo ajJAnatA hai, vahI ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : AtmA to mUla prakAza hai, anaMta zakti vAlA hai, to usameM yaha ahaMkAra kahA~ se A jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : usameM kahA~ AtA hai? ajJAnatA hI ahaMkAra hai| praznakartA : AvaraNa A jAe to bhI kyA harja hai? vaha khuda to jAnatA hI hai na ki maiM prakAza hU~! dAdAzrI : usase kucha hogA nahIM na! ahaMkAra ko kyA lAbha hai? jaba taka ahaMkAra ko mIThA nahIM lagegA taba taka vaha yaha nahIM kahegA ki yaha zakkara hai| ataH ahaMkAra kA niber3A lAnA hai| AtmA kA niber3A to hai hii| hama khuda kauna hai? __ aisA hai na, hama abhI jo haiM na, to usa cIz2a meM vAstava meM hama kyA haiM? hama nAma rUpI nahIM haiM, hama vyavahAra rUpI nahIM haiM, to vAstava meM hama kyA haiM? to kahate haiM, jitanA apanA jJAna hai aura jitanA apanA ajJAna hai, basa utanA hii| vahI hama haiN| jaisA jJAna ho usa anusAra saMyoga milate haiN| ajJAna ho to usa anusAra saMyoga milate haiN| jJAna-ajJAna ke anusAra hI saMyoga milate haiN| praznakartA : aura usa jJAna aura ajJAna ke anusAra hI usase karma hote jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, usa anusAra karma hote jAte haiM aura usI anusAra ye sabhI saMyoga milate haiN| vaha khuda yaha nAma nahIM hai, vaha khuda ahaMkAra nahIM hai, vaha khuda to 'yaha' (jJAna-ajJAna) hai| praznakartA : 'khuda yaha hai' isakA kyA matalaba hai, dAdA? dAdAzrI : jJAna yA ajJAna, vahI khuda hai| vahI usakA upAdAna hai|

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158 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) lekina use samajha nahIM pAte isalie hama usake pratinidhi arthAt ahaMkAra ko svIkAra kara lete haiN| yaha bahuta gaharI bAta hai| saMta bhI nahIM jaante| kramika mArga ke jJAnI bhI nahIM jaante| praznakartA : abhI taka hama aisA kahate haiM ki vaha ahaMkAra kara rahA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to, ye bhAI Ae isalie bAta nikalI varnA nikalatI nahIM haiM aisI sUkSma baateN| bAta to maiMne kaha dii| bAta samajhane jaisI hai, sUkSma hai| ___arthAt jJAna-ajJAna kI vajaha se ye karma hote haiN| use upAdAna kaho yA ahaMkAra, jo kaho vaha yahI hai| vaha khuda hii| lekina yoM vAstava meM ahaMkAra alaga hai| ahaMkAra alaga dikhAI detA hai jabaki yaha to jJAna aura ajJAna, prakAza aura aMdherA, usake AdhAra para hI 'vaha' ('khuda') karatA hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina yadi jJAna-ajJAna hoM paraMtu ahaMkAra nahIM ho to phira kyA hogA? to karma hogA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra rahatA hI hai| jahA~ para jJAna aura ajJAna sAtha meM hoM, vahA~ para ahaMkAra hai hii| praznakartA : ajJAna ho taba ahaMkAra rahatA hI hai ? dAdAzrI : rahegA hii| jaba ajJAna calA jAegA taba ahaMkAra calA jaaegaa| taba taka jJAna aura ajJAna sAtha meM rheNge| use kSayopazama kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : to jJAna milane ke bAda jo puruSa banatA hai, to puruSa kauna se bhAga ko kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : jJAna hI puruSa hai, usameM bhalA bhAga kaisA? jo ajJAna hai, vaha prakRti hai| jJAna-ajJAna kA sammilita svarUpa hI prakRti hai| jJAna hI puruSa hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| jJAna hI AtmA hai| jo jJAna, vijJAna svarUpa vAlA hai, vaha AtmA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai|

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti praznakartA : aba isa jJAna yA ajJAna, ina donoM kI Adi kyA hai ? 159 dAdAzrI : donoM kI Adi hai vijJAna / mUla AtmA, vijJAnamaya aatmaa| usameM se ye jJAna aura ajJAna, dhUpa aura chAyA, donoM zurU ho ge| hI hai| ahaMkAra kI Adi aura vRddhi praznakartA : hama aisA mAnate the ki aham kA matalaba ahaMkAra dAdAzrI : nahIM, ahaMkAra aura aham meM to bahuta pharka hai / praznakartA : inameM bhI pharka hai ? inameM kyA pharka hai ? vaha z2arA sUkSmatA se samajhAie na ! dAdAzrI : 'maiM 'pana, vaha aham hai aura 'maiM 'pana kA prastAva karanA (maiM caMdUbhAI hU~), vaha ahaMkAra hai / 'maiM presiDenTa hU~', vaha ahaMkAra nahIM khlaataa| loga to aisA kahate haiM ki 'ahaMkArI puruSa hai', lekina vAstava meM vaha mAnI puruSa kahalAtA hai / ahaMkAra to, jahA~ para saMsAra kI koI cIz2a sparza nahIM karatI aura jahA~ para khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ para aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM hU~', vaha saba ahaMkAra meM AtA hai / vastu meM kucha bhI nahIM hai| lekina jaise hI dUsarI vastu ko chUtA hai to usase mAna hotA hai ! 'maiM presiDenTa hU~', aisA saba dikhAe to hama samajha jAe~ge na ki yaha vyakti mAnI hai| praznakartA: prastAva meM kyA AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : z2arUrata se z2yAdA 'maiM 'pana bolanA / vaha 'maiM' to hai hI, aham to hai hI mAnyatA meM lekina usakA prastAva karanA ki 'yaha sahI hai aura yaha galata hai, isa taraha se zora macAne jAtA hai, vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| lekina usameM dUsarI cIz2a nahIM hai, mAlikIpana nahIM AtA kisI bhI cIz2a para / mAlikIpana A jAe to 'mAna' AtA hai|

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160 praznakartA : ahaMkAra kA udAharaNa kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ke udAharaNa to bahuta haiM na ! aura sirpha mAna hI nahIM, usake bAda jaise-jaise mAlikIbhAva bar3hatA jAtA hai na, vaha abhimAna hai / dehadhArI ho to vaha mAnI kahalAtA hai aura 'yaha phleTa hamArA hai, yaha hamArA', vaha mamatA vAlA, vaha abhimAna hai / arthAt ahaMkAra se mAnI, abhimAnI, bahuta taraha ke paryAya utpanna hote haiN| AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) ahaMkAra arthAt loga jo samajhate haiM, vaha ahaMkAra nahIM kahalAtA / loga jise ahaMkAra kahate haiM na, vaha to mAna hai / ahaMkAra bilIpha (mAnyatA) meM hai, jJAna meM nahIM hai / jo jJAna meM Ae vaha mAna kahalAtA hai| jahA~ khuda nahIM karatA hai aura vahA~ para aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~', use kahate haiM ahaMkAra / praznakartA : aba ise eka udAharaNa dekara samajhAie ! dAdAzrI : apane yahA~ para kahate haiM na ki, 'maiM nIce AyA' aba Upara se nIce AyA, usameM khuda AyA hI nahIM hai / vaha to, yaha zarIra AyA hai| yaha jo pUrA zarIra AyA, use vaha khuda aisA mAnatA hai ki, 'maiM AyA', aisI jo mAnyatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai aura phira vaha kahatA bhI hai ki 'maiM AyA', vaha mAna kahalAtA hai / to loga to 'maiM AyA', usI ko ahaMkAra kahate haiN| praznakartA : ahampana aura potApana, donoM eka hI haiM yA alaga alaga ? dAdAzrI : bahuta pharka hai| praznakartA : kyA pharka hai ? dAdAzrI : aham to sirpha mAnA huA hI rahA jabaki potApana vartana meM hai| jo vartana meM ho, vaha use rahatA hai jabaki mAnA huA to calA jAtA hai| 'maiM 'pana mAnA huA hai, vaha calA jAtA hai lekina vartana meM rahatA hai na!

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 161 praznakartA : kyA mahAtmAoM meM potApana hai ? dAdAzrI : potApana to z2abaradasta hai| jo bholA hotA hai na, usameM kama hotA hai| praznakartA : usa 'maiM' ke bAre meM z2arA aura batAie na! dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to evarIvhera eDajasTebala hai ki 'maiM to jamAI hU~' kahe to vaha jamAI bhI banatA hai| 'sasura hU~' kahe to vaisA bana jAtA hai aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' kahe to zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai aura 'maiM pudgala hU~' kahe to pudgala bana jAtA hai| 'maiM' to evarIvhera eDajasTebala hai, kitanI acchI cIz2a hai ! dekho na, 'maiM' abhI caMdUbhAI thA aura do ghaMTe bAda 'maiM' zuddhAtmA bana gyaa| vahI kA vahI 'maiN'| abhI to nahalAyA-dhulAyA kucha bhI nahIM kiyA, vaise kA vaisA hI hai| dekho, vaha 'maiM' apavitra bhI nahIM hotA na! kasAI banA huA 'maiM', zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai| pahale vaha kasAI thaa| yadi use pUche ki tU kauna hai ? to vaha kahatA hai ki 'maiM kasAI huuN'| jJAna ke bAda meM zuddhAtmA bana jAtA hai| nahalAnA-dhulAnA vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM karanA par3atA jabaki loga to roz2a-roz2a nahAte haiM phira bhI kabhI sudhare nhiiN| usa 'maiM' para socane yogya hai ! kaisA hai yaha ! evarIvhera eDajasTebala! 'maiM' meM ovarahaoNliMga karane jaisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| usameM eka bhI speyarapArTa nahIM hai| anaMta janmoM kI sthitiyoM meM vaha kabhI bhI nahIM bdltaa| potApana evarIvhera eDajasTa nahIM ho sktaa| potApana, potApana ke sAtha hI eDajasTa ho sakatA hai| anya kisI ke sAtha eDajasTa nahIM ho sktaa| ataH 'maiM' aura 'potApana', donoM bahuta alaga cIjeM haiN| hama meM potApana nahIM hai| isa jJAna ke bAda aba ApakA potApana chUTane lagA hai| praznakartA : dAdA, ajJAna dazA meM 'vahA~' para dharmabhakti karate the taba to potApana ko guNa mAna liyA thA na? to phira vaha usameM se chUTegA hI kaise?

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162 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : jo mAna baiThA hai, vaha kauna hai ? praznakartA : khud| dAdAzrI : vaha khuda, vahI potApana hai| yaha jo ahaMkAra hai, vaha 'maiM' hai, vaha potApana nahIM hai| vaha khuda hI potApana hai| 'maiM' to, yadi pulisa mujhase kahe ki, 'yaha gAr3I aise kyoM ghumavAI? kyA nAma hai?' to kahU~gA, 'likho, maiM hU~ e.em.pttel'| 'bhAI, kahA~ ke vAsI ho?' to kahU~gA, 'maiM bhAdaraNa kaa'| 'kisa jAti ke ho?' 'paTela huuN|' kyA kahU~gA? merA 'maiM' to eDajasTebala ho gayA na! 'maiM' Aja dAdA bhagavAna bhI kaha sakatA hU~, kisI aisI jagaha para, jahA~ para kahA jA sake vahA~ pr| varnA e.ema. paTela bhI kaha sakatA huuN| nahIM to kaoNnTraikTara bhI kaha sakatA hU~ aura hIrA bA ke gA~va meM jAU~ to taba loga yadi 'phUphA' kaheM taba 'maiM phUphA hU~, hA~ ThIka hai'| nahIM? koI phUphA kahegA, koI jIjA kahegA, koI mAmA kahegA, koI cAcA kahegA, evarIvhera eddjsttebl| yaha 'maiM' kitanA acchA hai! aura yadi 'khuda' aisA hotA ki eDajasTebala ho jAtA taba to bahuta acchA kahalAegA na! jabaki dUsarI sabhI jagaha para potApana karatA hai| 'maiM' ko nahIM samajhane ke kAraNa, 'maiM' meM se anya vastuoM para AropaNa kiyA isalie vikalpa ho gyaa| ataH vikalpa kA jo pUrA golA hai, vahI potApana kahalAtA hai| vikalpa kA pUrA golA ikaTThA ho gyaa| idhara se vikalpa aura udhara se vikalpa, vaha hai potaapn| usameM jitane vikalpoM ko kama karegA utane hI kama hoMge aura jitane bar3hAegA utane bddh'eNge| lekina vaha golA rahegA to shii| vaha golA bahuta jaTila hai| potApana kA vaha jo golA hotA hai na! Apake sAtha dharmasthAnakoM meM bhakti meM jo baiThate haiM na, unake gole to itane bar3e-bar3e hote haiN| TIkA-TippaNI nahIM karanI hai lekina yadi gole dekhane jAe~ to ve bar3e-bar3e haiN| mujhe yahI samajha meM nahIM AtA ki vaha una goloM ko kaba nikAla paaegaa| praznakartA : dAdA, 'maiM' kI vajaha se potApana mAnatA hai na? Apane kahA na 'maiM', yaha 'maiM' hI potApana manavAtA hai ?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 163 dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to alaga cIz2a hai| kisI bhI jagaha para 'maiM' kA AropaNa karanA, 'maiM' kA upayoga ulTI jagaha para kiyA to usa kSaNa potApana A jAtA hai| praznakartA : jaba vaha vikalpa hotA hai taba? dAdAzrI : hA~, yadi dUsarI jagaha para (ajJAna se) upayoga kiyA to vikalpa hai lekina usase 'maiM' ko kyA lenA-denA? 'maiM' to sApha kA sApha hI hai| yahA~ para lAo to vApasa yahA~ pr| use kucha bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai| usase potApana ho jAtA hai, basa vahI lenA-denA hai| Apako potApana huA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : dAdA, z2arA udAharaNa dekara samajhAie na! samajha meM nahIM AyA, 'maiM' aura 'potApana', ye donoM kisa prakAra se DipharanTa haiM ? dAdAzrI : maiMne jo kahA, vaha udAharaNa dene jaisA hI huA na ! 'maiM' arthAt kisI bhI cIz2a meM AropaNa karanA, kisI bhI jagaha para 'maiM' kA AropaNa ki 'maiM yaha hU~, maiM yaha hU~, vaha hU~' jabaki 'Apa' vaha ho nahIM, isake bAvajUda bhI 'Apa' aisA kahate ho ki, 'maiM yaha hU~' arthAt AropaNa huaa| to usameM se potApana utpanna ho gyaa| aba vaha 'maiM' aisA nahIM karatA hai lekina 'vaha maiM hU~' aisA AropaNa kiyA, isalie AropaNa karane vAle meM potApana utpanna huaa| praznakartA : vaha AropaNa kauna karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI, jo aMdara hai| use ajJAna kahA jAtA hai| aba ajJAna 'maiM' se bhI pahale kI cIz2a hai| 'maiM' kA AropaNa karane vAlI cIz2a hI ajJAna hai aura yadi 'maiM' kA AropaNa chor3a degA to usakA yaha saba calA jaaegaa| jisane 'maiM' kA AropaNa chor3a diyA, 'maiM' zuddhAtmA ho gayA, usakA 'ahaMkAra' calA gyaa| praznakartA : dAdA kA jJAna liyA, isalie calA gayA? dAdAzrI : (ahaMkAra kA) 'usakA' AropaNa chUTa jAe to AsAna bAta hai na! kahA~ muzkila bAta hai?

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164 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : ataH jaba Apa jJAna dete haiM taba Apa AropaNa chur3avA dete haiM ? dAdAzrI : tabhI chUTegA, nahIM to chUTegA nahIM na! phira hama kahate haiM ki, 'are, Apa zuddhAtmA ho yA caMdUbhAI?' taba kahatA hai, 'nahIM, maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| usa kSaNa yadi pakar3e rakheM ki 'nahIM, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', to hama jAna jAe~ge ki AropaNa nahIM chUTA hai lekina usa kSaNa sabhI kahate haiM ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| nahIM? praznakartA : haaN| dAdA, anaMta janmoM kA AropaNa eka ghaMTe meM chUTa jAtA hai aura vApasa jahA~ thA, usa mUla jagaha para A jAtA hai, to vaha 'maiM' bhI kitanA phleksibala hai na? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to evarIvhera eDajasTebala hai| praznakartA : lekina eka bAra yadi 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' meM eDajasTa ho jAe to phira vaha nahIM htttaa| phira 'maiM' usameM sthira ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : ho hI jAegA na phir| praznakartA : vaha kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : mUla jagaha para baiTha gayA hai isalie ho hI jAegA na ! logoM ko bhI mUla jagaha para baiThAnA hai lekina baiTha nahIM pAtA na! kaise baiThegA? vaha to, jaba sabhI pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiM to phUla jaise halke ho jAte haiN| jaba pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiM taba 'maiM' mUla jagaha para baiTha jAtA hai| vaha to, jaba 'use' ThaMDaka hotI hai na, taba phira kahatA hai, 'nahIM, yahIM para rhuuNgaa'| aba nahIM chuuttegaa|| praznakartA : dAdA, jaba Apa jJAna dete haiM taba vaha 'maiM 'pana alaga ho jAtA hai lekina jo 'maiM 'pana hai vaha, jAgRti jitanI adhika ho usI anusAra rahatA hai na, yA jAgRti kama ho usa anusAra rahatA hai? usameM jAgRti kAma karatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : jAgRti hI hai na! (bhAva) nidrA se 'maiM 'pana kA upayoga

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 165 ulTI jagaha para hotA hai aura jaba jAgRti A jAtI hai taba usakA upayoga sahI jagaha para hotA hai, jAgRti se| 'hU~' kI vartanA badalatI hai aise... praznakartA : tanmayAkAra kauna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : ahNkaar| jo usameM tanmayAkAra nahIM hone detA, vaha hai jaagti| vahI alaga rakhatI hai| mUla AtmA tanmayAkAra nahIM hotaa| ajAgRti se hama tanmayAkAra ho jAte haiM na! praznakartA : jJAna prApti ke bAda yadi jAgRti rahe to pratiSThita AtmA tanmayAkAra nahIM hogA? dAdAzrI : usake bAda jo bhAna rahatA hai, vaha eka jAgRti hai aura jaba jAgRti apane svabhAva meM A jAegI taba vaha tanmayAkAra nahIM hogaa| yaha to jaba taka pichalA phorsa hai taba taka haTa jAtI hai| phorsa kama ho jAegA to tanmayAkAra nahIM hogii| jo DiscArja hai vaha pUrA hI TaMkI kA pAnI hai, bharA huA mAla hai| praznakartA : Apane aisA kahA hai 'jAgRti ho gaI hai isalie Apa tanmayAkAra nahIM hote', to ise kisa prakAra se samajheM? dAdAzrI : Apa arthAt kyA hai ? mUla AtmA nhiiN| abhI bhI 'maiM' to rahA huA hai hI, pahale yaha 'maiM' pratiSThita AtmA ke rUpa meM thA, aba 'maiM' jAgRti ke rUpa meM hai| vaha 'maiM' tanmayAkAra nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : to kyA isakA artha yaha huA ki jaba hama tanmayAkAra nahIM hote haiM to pratiSThita AtmA bhI tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : nahIM! hama arthAt kauna? jo usa samaya hAz2ira hai, vh| jo usa samaya apanI bilIpha meM hai| abhI pUrNataH zuddhAtmA nahIM hue ho| mUla pratiSThita AtmA chUTa gyaa| aba, jAgRta AtmA kA artha hai jaagRti| jAgRti jo ki pariNAma hai, vaha abhI vahA~ para yoM tanmayAkAra nahIM hotii|

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praznakartA : jJAna milane ke bAda pratiSThita AtmA to hai hI, to vaha kyA karatA hai ? phira usakI kyA sthiti hai ? dAdAzrI : phira usakI koI sthiti nahIM hai, vaha DiscArja ke rUpa meM hai| arthAt nizcetana cetana hai / vaha jJeya ke rUpa meM rahatA hai / phira, jJeya ke rUpa meM vaha 'kyA kara rahA hai aura kyA nahIM ?' use jo jAnatI hai, vaha jAgRti hai| svarUpa kA bhAna hone se pahale pratiSThita AtmA ko hI hama jJAtA mAnate the| svarUpa jJAna ke bAda pratiSThita AtmA khuda hI jJeya bana jAtA hai aura vahA~ para jAgRti khuda hI jJAtA bana jAtI hai| yAnI ki pahale jo 'maiM' pratiSThita AtmA ke rUpa meM thA, aba vahI 'maiM' jAgRti rUpI 'maiM' bana jAtA hai aura mUla AtmA to abhI usase bhI Age hai / jaba yaha jAgRti meM A jAegA, saMpUrNa jAgRta ho jAne para mUla AtmA meM ekAkAra ho jaaegaa| jaba taka saMpUrNa nahIM ho jAtA taba taka judA rahatA hai| taba taka aMtarAtmA ke rUpa meM rahatA hai / vahA~ para bahirmukhI pada chUTa cukA hotA hai / aMtarAtma dazA ke khatma hote hI paramAtmA pada prApta hotA hai ! hai ? 'maiM' kA sthAna, zarIra meM praznakartA : manuSya mAtra jise 'maiM' kahatA hai, vaha kahA~ para rahatA dAdAzrI : pUre zarIra meM jahA~ para bhI suI cubhone para use patA calatA hai, vahIM para 'maiM' hai / suI ko aise cubhokara dekho, A~kheM mIMcakara / jaba suI lagegI taba apane Apa hI Aha niklegii| nahIM nikalegI ? praznakartA : niklegii| dAdAzrI : ata: 'maiM' isa jagaha para rahatA hai / vaha bAloM meM nahIM hai, agara koI bAla kATe to Aha nahIM nikltii| koI nAkhUna kATe to Aha nahIM nikltii| jahA~-jahA~ 'maiM' o o o ! karatA hai, una sabhI jagahoM para vaha 'maiM' hI hai / bar3I basa ke DrAivara kA 'maiM' kahA~ para hotA hogA ?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 167 praznakartA : usake zarIra meN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, pUrI basa meN| jaba vaha DrAiviMga karatA hai taba z2arA sA bhI nahIM TakarAtA, usa trph| usakA 'maiM' pUre basa rUpI hI ho jAtA hai| jahA~ para TakarAne lage vahA~ 'maiM' use bilkula bhI TakarAne nahIM detaa| bar3I sau phuTa kI basa ho taba bhI use vaha TakarAne nahIM detaa| use kaise patA calatA hai ki isa kaoNrnara para TakarAegA yA nahIM? lekina 'maiM'pana hai islie| 'maiM 'pana kA itanA adhika vistAra karatA hai ki yadi basa meM baiThA ho to basa meM, kAra meM baiThA ho to kAra meN| vistArapUrvaka arthAt kahIM para bhI bilkula nahIM ttkraataa| varnA to vAstava meM isI meM hai| isa deha meM hI jahA~ para suI cubhoe vahA~ para use patA calatA hai yA nahIM calatA? kyA kahane jAnA par3atA hai ? bUr3he ko bhI patA cala jAtA hai| praznakartA : hara eka ko patA calatA hai| bAta nikalI thI na, 'maiM' so gayA hai, 'maiM' dekha rahA hai, 'maiM' suna rahA hai to yaha 'maiM', kyA vaha AtmA hai ? prakRti hai ? vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha to ahaMkAra hai| (maiM kara rahA hU~ arthAt ahaMkAra) praznakartA : hA~, lekina kyA vaha AtmavibhAga meM AtA hai ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : to prakRti meM? dAdAzrI : haM... praznakartA : kartApana kyA usakA nahIM hai? kyA vAstava meM vaha kartA nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : vAstava meM vaha kartA nahIM hai, vaha to mAna baiThA hai ki 'yaha maiM kara rahA huuN'| jaise sTezana para gAr3I calatI hai na, taba vaha aisA samajhatA hai ki, 'maiM claa'| aisA mAna baiThatA hai| gAr3I isa tarapha jAtI hai aura use aisA dikhAI detA hai ki vaha khuda isa tarapha jA rahA hai| to kyA hama samajha nahIM jAe~ge ki ise bhrama ho rahA hai| vaha aisA mAna rahA hai|

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168 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : arthAt hara eka kriyA meM vaha khuda sirpha mAnatA hI hai| yAnI dekhane vAlA alaga hai aura khuda mAnatA hai ki 'maiM dekha rahA huuN'| dAdAzrI : vaha 'dekhane vAlA' (dRSTA) to hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : vaha khuda nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to bilkula aMdhA hI hai| praznakartA : abhI Apane kahA na ki vaha 'maiM' hI hai, vaha 'maiM' hI dekhatA hai, 'maiM' sunatA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha to aMdara prakRti aisA jAnatI hai ki prakRti meM AtmA kI jAnane kI zakti AI hai, pAvara AyA hai| kisI bhI cIz2a meM pAvara bharane se khuda ke pAvara meM kamI nahIM AtI lekina vaha cIz2a pAvara vAlI hotI jAtI hai| praznakartA : to kyA AtmA kA pAvara prakRti meM utarA hai ? usake AdhAra para vaha yaha sArA jJAna samajha sakatA hai? usake AdhAra para yaha saba jAnanA-sunanA huA? dAdAzrI : buddhi usI ke AdhAra para yaha saba jAnatI hai| phira ahaMkAra kahatA hai, 'maiM jAnatA hU~' aura 'kara bhI maiM hI rahA huuN| donoM meM se eka bola na, taba kucha rAha para aaegaa| praznakartA : to vaha z2arA samajha meM nahIM aayaa| AtmA kA pAvara prakRti meM utarA? dAdAzrI : 'maiM kara rahA hU~' aisA bolatA hai na, to usa kSaNa 'maiM' vAstava meM igoiz2ama nahIM hai| vaha to hai AtmA kA vizeSa prinnaam| 'khuda' AtmA hI hai lekina aba 'vaha' jo hai, vaha aisA mAnatA hai ki 'yaha maiM huuN'| bIca meM utpanna ho cukI eka cIz2a hai, AtmA se baahr| use vizeSa bhAva kahate haiN| praznakartA : yaha 'maiM', kyA vaha pUrA hI vizeSa bhAva hai ?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 169 dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva ho gayA hai| khuda kA svabhAva bhAva nahIM hai lekina vizeSa bhAva ho gayA hai| praznakartA : to aba phira yaha pAvara prakRti meM kaise jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM kara rahA hU~', aisA kahane se vaha pAvara prakRti meM jAtA hai| 'maiM jAnatA hU~' kahe, to usase prakRti meM pAvara jAtA hai| ahaMkAra jo-jo bolatA hai na, usase prakRti meM pAvara AtA jAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt vaha 'maiM' bhAva kara sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : bhAva hI karatA hai na! vizeSa bhAva karatA hai| praznakartA : vaha khuda bhI vizeSa bhAva hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| khuda vizeSa bhAva hI hai| (pharsTa levala kA mUla vizeSa bhAva) praznakartA : aura phira vaha vApasa vizeSa bhAva karatA hai? dAdAzrI : vizeSa bhAva karatA rahatA hai| (sekanDa levala kA vizeSa bhAva) praznakartA : usI se prakRti hai ? dAdAzrI : usI se prakRti utpanna huI hai| aura phira vaha prakRti prANavAna hai| hai nizcacetana cetana, vAstava meM cetana nahIM hai, lekina cetana jaisI dikhAI detI hai| praznakartA : ahaMkArI prakRti aura vikArI prakRti yoM pairelala dikhAI detI hai eka prakAra se| ataH isameM kucha kartApana kI mAnyatA hai aura isameM kucha sukha kI mAnyatA hai| to isameM aisA koI kanekzana hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra kA matalaba to yaha hai ki kara rahA hai anya koI lekina kahatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| jo iTa haipansa hai, use bhI basa aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~', itanA hI hai| vahI ahaMkAra hai!

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170 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) aura vikAra to, jaba vaise saMyoga milate haiM taba 'vaha' vikArI bana jAtA hai, yoM sahI saMyoga milate haiM taba 'vaha' nirvikArI bana jAtA hai| yAnI 'use' vikArI yA avikArI jaisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki vaha khuda hI vikArI banatA hai athavA nirvikArI bhI vahI banatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda kahatA bhI hai, ki 'merA svabhAva vikArI hai' aura nirvikArI bhI ho sakatA hai, agara saMyoga mila jAe~ to| ahaMkAra nahIM hai to kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| ye vikAra hI nahIM hoMge aura vaha phira se nirvikArI bhI nahIM bana skegaa| ahaMkAra hai to hotA praznakartA : mUla AtmA to nirvikArI hI hai ? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para to vikAra hai hI nhiiN| 'anAsakta' hai| 'akAmI', 'anAsakta', nirvikArI hI hai vaha to! 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vahA~ para zuddha bana gayA aura 'maiM hU~ vikArI' to vikArI bana gyaa| 'maiM nirvikArI hU~' to nirvikArI ! 'maiM brahmacArI' to vaha brahmacArI bana gyaa| praznakartA : jaisA ciMtana kare vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, jaisA ciMtana kare vaisA hI bana jAtA hai! taba ahaMkAra gaddI sauMpa detA hai 'mUla' ko praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', aisA kauna jAnatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha to ahaMkAra jAnatA hai| ahaMkAra arthAt 'maiM' jAnatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha caMdUbhAI ('maiM' caMdUbhAI kI sITa para baiThA hai, vaha ahaMkAra) kA jJAna badalA aura 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ho gyaa| aura vaha ahaMkAra to buddhi sahita hI hotA hai| bAkI yoM to ahaMkAra ko z2arA sA bhI jJAna nahIM hai| sirpha buddhi akelI AtmA ko nahIM jAna sktii| buddhi jaba ahaMkAra sahita ho tabhI jAna sakatI hai|

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 171 praznakartA : to kyA isakA artha aisA huA ki ahaMkAra ko AtmA kI pahacAna hotI hai? dAdAzrI : aura kise hotI hai ? anya koI cIz2a nahIM hai ismeN| praznakartA : jaba dAdA jJAna dete haiM usa samaya to ahaMkAra le lete haiM, phira jAnane vAlA kauna rahA? dAdAzrI : aba usa ahaMkAra kA kyA kAma hai? jitanA z2arUrata lAyaka ahaMkAra hai, DiscArja ahaMkAra, vaha DiscArja apanA kAma karatA rhegaa| aba rahA hI kahA~ hai? ahaMkAra ke binA to saMsAra kA koI kArya ho hI nahIM sktaa| lekina jo ApameM hai, vaha DiscArja ahaMkAra hai paraMtu cArja ahaMkAra baMda ho cukA hai| praznakartA : usake lie to Apane vaha kahA thA na ki 'AtmA ko kauna jAnatA hai ? ahaMkAra jAnatA hai'| to ahaMkAra to le liyA Apane, phira jAnane vAlA kahA~ rahA? dAdAzrI : nahIM! usa dina jAnA to usa becAre kA saba chUTa gyaa| jAnane ke bAda vaha chUTa gyaa| 'maiM 'pana chor3a diyA aura mAlikIpana chor3a diyA aura ahaMkAra bhI chUTa gyaa| sabakucha khatma ho gayA usa dina se! jIvita ahaMkAra khatma ho gyaa| yaha DiscArja bacA hai| praznakartA : to phira isa ahaMkAra ko kauna jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA jAnatA hai| jaba hama yaha lAina oNpha DimArkezana DAla dete haiM taba buddhi sahita yaha ahaMkAra (arthAt Ai vida caMdU), yaha samajha jAtA hai ki, 'merA astitva hI galata hai' aura zuddhAtmA ko jAna jAtA hai ki, 'yahI hai'| mUla svabhAva zuddhAtmA hai isalie use sauMpa detA hai| phira sabakucha alaga ho jAtA hai| isameM samajhane meM bhUla kahA~ para ho jAtI hai ? zuddhAtmA ko jAna hI jAtA hai, yoM hI nahIM jAna jaataa| AtmA jAnane hetu ajJAnI vyakti ke lie itane sAre zAstra rakhe ge| yaha to, jaba maiM jJAna detA hU~ taba zuddhAtmA jAna pAtA hai, varnA kaise jAna sakegA? aura jisa dina use jAna letA hai, tabhI se usakA astitva khatma ho jAtA

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172 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hai| jaba yaha ahaMkAra, buddhi sahita, AtmA ko jAnatA hai taba usakA khuda kA astitva khatma ho jAtA hai| ataH yaha vAkya bAhara le jAne ke lie nahIM hai| dekhanA ye bAteM, Atmika vAkya bAhara le jAe~ge na, to bAhara ghoTAlA ho jaaegaa| ApakA kahanA sahI hai ki aisA kahane para ki 'ahaMkAra AtmA ko jAnatA hai' to loga samajheMge ki 'ye loga ulTe cala rahe haiN| bAkI, ahaMkAra AtmA ko kabhI bhI nahIM jAna sktaa| jaba jJAnI puruSa jJAna dete haiM sirpha tabhI ahaMkAra khuda samajha jAtA hai ki 'yaha merA svarUpa nahIM hai| jo hai vaha 'yahI' hai, maiM to binA bAta ke hI bIca meM hU~', vaha khuda ke astitva ko hI Diz2olva kara detA hai| praznakartA : phira vaha AtmA ahaMkAra ko dekhatA hai na? dAdAzrI : AtmA to ahaMkAra ko pahale se dekha hI rahA thaa| ina sAMsArika vyaktiyoM meM bhI AtmA to dekha hI rahA hai ki 'merA ahaMkAra bar3ha gayA, kama ho gyaa'| nahIM jAnatA kyA? yaha jAnane vAlA kauna hai ? 'merI buddhi bar3ha gaI hai, merI buddhi ulTI cala rahI hai, galata cala rahI hai', yaha saba jAnane vAlA kauna hai? praznakartA : 'ahaMkAra AtmA ko jAnatA hai', vaha z2arA ThIka se samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : vaha jAnatA hI nahIM hai| yaha bAta to apanI bhASA meM hai, vAstavikatA meN| bAhara kI bhASA meM nahIM hai yh| jaba hama jJAna dete haiM tabhI yaha ahaMkAra chUTa jAtA hai, taba taka vaha ahaMkAra jAtA nahIM hai| jaba hama jJAna dete haiM, taba jJAna se 'vaha' stabdha ho jAtA hai ki isameM merA skopa kahA~ para hai? merA mAlikIpana kahA~ hai aura merA skopa kahA~ hai? usa samaya isameM lAina oNpha DimArkezana meM samajha jAtA hai ki yahI zuddhAtmA hai isalie vaha khuda vahA~ para 'maiM 'pana chor3a detA hai| ahaMkAra khuda chor3a detA hai| AtmA ko jAna jAtA hai ki AtmA hI hai, yahI mAlika hai isalie turaMta kU~cI (cAbI) sauMpa detA hai| jaise ki jaba vAstavika presiDenTa A jAtA hai to isa jailasiMha ko (aMtarima presiDenTa ko) chor3a denA par3atA hai yA nahIM chor3anA par3atA yA jailasiMha phira zora macAtA hai?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 173 praznakartA : lekina jaba jJAna hotA hai tabhI ahaMkAra jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : pahale jJAna nahIM hotA, pahale ahaMkAra jAtA hai| usake bAda meM jJAna hotA hai| ahaMkAra kisase jAtA hai ? virATa svarUpa ke pratApa se ahaMkAra calA jAtA hai| praznakartA : aisA kahA hai 'jaba ahaMkAra chUTa jAtA hai taba khuda mUla vastu meM baiTha jAtA hai' to aisA bhI kahA jA sakatA hai na ki vaha mUla svarUpa se alaga ho gayA thA? dAdAzrI : nahIM! alaga ho gayA thA, yoM aisA kucha nahIM hai| alaga ho gayA thA aura baMda ho gayA thA aisA nahIM hai| ye jo saba roMga bilIpheM thIM, ve gAyaba ho gii| praznakartA : lekina dAdAjI kyA aisA nahIM kaha sakate ki ahaMkAra ho gayA isakA matalaba yaha hai ki AtmA DhakA par3A thA? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina usase to AtmA kA lAbha hI nahIM milegA na! praznakartA : hA~, yAnI ki usa para ahaMkAra kA jo AvaraNa thA, vaha usa para... varnA phira bhI vaha khuda to prakAza hI hai| dAdAzrI : basa aisA hI hai na! ve kahate haiM ki 'maiM hindustAna kA presiDenTa hU~, to kyA usase usakA seThapana calA gayA? praznakartA : nhiiN| nahIM gyaa| Apane kahA na ki vaha bhogatA hai aura mokSa meM bhI usI ko jAnA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira aura kauna jAegA? jo baMdhA huA hai, usI kA mokSa hogA na! praznakartA : lekina yadi dekhA jAe to eka prakAra se usakA astitva hI nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : astitva nahIM hai phira bhI usake dvArA mAnA huA hai na!

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174 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : yAnI ki 'use' patA calatA hai ki yaha merA astitva nahIM hai, isalie usakA mokSa ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha saba gAyaba ho jAtA hai uskaa| praznakartA : jo aisA mAnatA hai, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra hai| aura kauna? buddhi shit| praznakartA : buddhi sahita? dAdAzrI : arthAt vaha ahaMkAra, hamezA pUre aMta:karaNa sahita hI hotA hai| akelA nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : to aMta:karaNa sahita jo ahaMkAra hai, usI ko AtmA jAnane kI icchA hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA jAnane kI kisI ko koI icchA nahIM hai| unheM AtmA jAnane kI icchA kyoM ho? unheM kyA z2arUrata hai AtmA kI? praznakartA : 'mokSa meM jAnA hai', aisA kahA hai n| dAdAzrI : unheM to yaha sukha caahie| hamArA sukha kahA~ para kho gayA? to kahate haiM, isameM terA sukha nahIM khoyA hai| yahA~ para A jaao| yaha ahaMkAra kahatA hai na ki, 'maiM duHkhI-duHkhI ho gyaa| praznakartA : to phira ahaMkAra to vahA~ para jAegA nhiiN| dAdAzrI : nahIM! jAegA nhiiN| vaha khatma ho jAtA hai to A gayA vaha sb| ve jo mAnyatAe~ thIM, roMga bilIpheM thIM, ve khatma ho jAtI haiN| praznakartA : yaha sukha-duHkha kA bhI bhrama ho gayA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha sirpha bhrama hI hai| anya kucha hai bhI nhiiN| bhrama hai lekina phira vaha rileTiva satya hai| bhramaNA meM bilkula bhI ciMtA nahIM hotii| yaha to rileTiva satya hai| ilyUz2ana meM to hameM kAphI kucha ghabarAhaTa aura aisA saba ulTA dikhAI detA hai aura aisA saba hotA hai lekina ciMtA nahIM

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti hotii| ciMtA to, isa rileTiva satya ko 'merA hai' aisA mAnA hai isalie ciMtA hotI hai I praznakartA : isa saba ko 'merA' mAnA hai isalie ... dAdAzrI : kitanI dRr3hatA se mAnA hai ! dRSTi kyA hai ? dRSTi kisakI hai? 175 isa jJAna kI prApti ke bAda meM aba vaha 'khuda' samyak dRSTi vAlA ho gyaa| pahale 'khuda' mithyA dRSTi vAlA thA / roMga bilIpha phrekcara karane para rAiTa bilIpha baiThatI hai / rAiTa bilIpha arthAt samyak drshn| isalie phira, 'maiM caMdUbhAI nahIM hU~, maiM zuddhatmA hU~, aisI bilIpha baiTha jAtI hai| donoM dRSTiyA~ ahaMkAra kI hI haiN| vaha dRSTi dRzyoM ko dekhatI thI, bhautika cIz2oM ko aura yaha dRSTi cetana vastu ko dekhatI hai| yaha cetana dRSTA hai aura bAkI kA saba dRzya hai / dRSTA aura jJAtA, donoM hI cetana ke guNa haiM I praznakartA : yaha dRSTi, dRSTA kA kArya hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / praznakartA : to dRSTi kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : dRSTi to ahaMkAra kI hai| AtmA kI dRSTi nahIM hotii| AtmA ko to sahaja svabhAva se aMdara dikhAI detA rahatA hai| aMdara saba jhalakatA hai ! usake khuda ke aMdara hI sabakucha jhalakatA hai ! praznakartA : to phira isa AtmA ko jAnane vAlA kauna hai ? jo AtmajJAna hotA hai, vaha kise hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha dRSTi ahaMkAra ko milatI hai| pahale mithyA dRSTi thI, usake bajAya 'isameM ' z2yAdA sukha lagA isalie phira vaha ahaMkAra dhIre-dhIre isameM vilaya hotA jAtA hai / ahaMkAra zuddha hote hI zuddhAtmA meM vilIna ho jAtA hai, basa ! jaise ki yadi zakkara kI putalI ko tela meM DAla deM to nahIM ghulatI, lekina pAnI meM DAlane para ghula jAtI hai / yaha

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176 AptavANI - 14 (bhAga-1) bhI usI prakAra se hai / arthAt zuddhAtmA vAlI dRSTi * hote hI sabakucha vilaya hone lagatA hai / taba taka ahaMkAra hai / vaha ahaMkAra nahIM hai paraMtu 'maiM' hai praznakartA : arthAt yaha ahaMkAra hI bola rahA hai na? jo ulTA cala rahA thA vahI aba... aisA kahatA hai na ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' ? I dAdAzrI : 'maiM'! 'maiM' (jAgRta AtmA) aisA kahatA hai, ahaMkAra nahIM khtaa| ahaMkAra to alaga rahatA hai / ahaMkAra nahIM kahatA / 'maiM', vaha 'maiM' khuda kA svarUpa hI hai| aba (mUla) svarUpa khuda nahIM bolatA hai lekina yaha kriyA usa tarapha kI hai| hama jise zuddhAtmA kahate haiM vaha zuddhAtmA khuda bhI zabda nahIM hai, yaha kriyA usa tarapha ghUma gaI hai aba / jaise-jaise 'ApakI' zraddhA badalatI hai, bilIpha badalatI hai, vaise-vaise AvaraNa TUTate jAte haiN| AvaraNa tor3ane vAlI cIz2a hai yh| lekina vaha bhAna hI ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', vahI 'maiM' kA astitva hai| bhAna badala gyaa| yadi ahaMkAra hai to kAma hI nahIM AegA na ! vaha cIz2a hI alaga hai| ahaMkAra ko lenA-denA nahIM hai / ahaMkAra ke vilaya hone ke bAda to khuda kA svarUpa, 'vaha' (bhAna) hotA hai / yaha saba aMtarima kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : jo bhaTaka gayA hai vaha ahaMkAra kauna sA hai, sajIva yA nirjIva ? dAdAzrI : sjiiv| praznakartA : bhaTakA arthAt ahaMkAra kaise bhaTaka jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : jaba se use patA calatA hai, koI kahe ki yaha galata rAstA hai, aura jaba se vaha vApasa palaTa jAtA hai tabhI se vaha nirjIva kahalAtA hai / phira nirjIva ahaMkAra ke sahAre 'vaha' vApasa lauTatA hai / praznakartA : ThIka hai / lekina kyA vApasa lauTanA, vaha nirjIva ahaMkAra hai ? dAdAzrI : koI 'use' vApasa nikAla de ki 'yaha rAstA galata hai, * daSTi ke adhika repharensa ke lie AptavANI - 3, 8 aura 13

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti yahA~ kahA~ se? yahA~ se to bhAI, yoM calA jAegA' / to kahatA hai ki 'heM ! vApasa aayaa'| to nirjIva ahaMkAra ke sahAre vApasa jAnA par3atA hai / usa kSaNa sajIva ahaMkAra nahIM rahatA / jaba anya saba loga milate haiM taba ve kahate haiM, 'vApasa kyoM jA rahA hai ? aise jA!' to phira se usa ora calane lagatA hai| vaha vApasa sajIva ho jAtA hai| 177 praznakartA : ahaMkAra sajIva hai yA nirjIva, usakA DimArkezana kaise patA calegA ? hai ? dAdAzrI : 'kisa tarapha jA rahA hai, usakI dizA para se patA clegaa| praznakartA : ulTe rAste jAe aura mAra khAe to vaha sArA sajIva dAdAzrI : sajIva hI hai / ahaMkAra to sajIva hI hai| nirjIva kaba hotA hai ? jaba use koI kahe ki 'yaha sahI rAstA nahIM hai / galata rAste para hai| terI yaha bilIpha galata hai| tU vApasa jA' / taba yadi usI kSaNa palaTa jAe to vaha nirjIva ahaMkAra se cala rahA hai / yoM usa tarapha jo jA rahA thA vaha sajIva ahaMkAra se jA rahA thA aura jaba vApasa palaTatA hai to vaha nirjIva ahaMkAra se hai / bhale hI sAta sau mIla calegA lekina nirjIva ahaMkAra se / I nizcaya kAma kA, vyavahAra nikAlI praznakartA : kyA isa nirjIva ahaMkAra ko zuddha ahaMkAra kahA jA sakatA hai? 1 dAdAzrI : hA~, zuddha ahaMkAra kahA jA sakatA hai| ina donoM meM pharka itanA hI hai ki zuddha ahaMkAra meM koI paramANu nahIM hotA / krodha - mAnamAya-lobha, rAga-dveSa, koI bhI paramANu nahIM hotaa| sabhI paramANu nikAla, nikAla, nikAlakara bilkula zuddha kara diyA hotA hai| sabhI paramANu nikAla die hote haiM aura nikAlate - nikAlate, vaha pUrA prayoga hI hai / paramANu nikAlate-nikAlate, nikAlate-nikAlate sirpha zuddha ahaMkAra bacA,

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178 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) vaha AtmA meM mila jAtA hai| aura jo zuddha hai, vaha nirjIva hI hai| dekhane jAe~ taba bhI isa nirjIva meM (akrama mArga meM to) ve sabhI paramANu to haiM hii| praznakartA : ye krodha-mAna-mAya-lobha, ve paramANu hI haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~! kyoMki hameM to rAste calate yaha prApta ho gayA hai na! praznakartA : to 'merA' nikAlane ke bAda separeTa karane se jo 'Ai' rahatA hai, kyA vaha ahaMkAra hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha 'Ai', 'Ai' hI rahA hai, 'mAi' ke sAtha meM ho to vaha 'Ai' ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| 'mAi' usameM ekAkAra nahIM ho to 'Ai' to niahaMkArI hai, AtmA kahalAtA hai| jaba 'mAi' ke eka bhI paramANu kA chIMTA nahIM rahatA to vaha AtmA kahalAtA hai| varnA yadi 'Ai' 'mAi' ke sAtha meM ho to vaha ahaMkAra kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : Apane AptasUtra meM kahA hai ki kramika mArga meM ahaMkAra ko zuddha karate-karate, Develapa karate-karate, usa hada taka le jAnA hai ki vaha khuda hI bhagavAna svarUpa ho jaae| ahaMkAra hI bhagavAna bana jaae| dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra zuddha ho jAtA hai| usa ahaMkAra meM jo vikRti thI sirpha vahI nikAla dI, vaha vikRti kyA-kyA thI? to kahate haiM, 'jo kamajoriyA~ thIM, krodha-mAna-mAya-lobha, rAga-dveSa ke eka-eka paramANu ko khIMca liyaa| phira zuddha ahaMkAra bcaa'| jaba ahaMkAra zuddha ho jAtA hai taba vaha zuddhAtmA jaisA bana jAtA hai| yAnI ki phira taba aMtima (prakAra kA) zuddha ahaMkAra bana jAtA hai| taba taka to nabbe pratizata zuddha aura dasa pratizata ashuddh| praznakartA : dAdA, Apane kahA ki vaha zuddha ahaMkAra mila jAtA hai, AtmA aura zuddha ahaMkAra / to kauna kisameM mila jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : koI kisI meM nahIM miltaa| ahaMkAra zuddha huA, zuddha

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 179 ho gayA yAnI svabhAva, svabhAva meM A gyaa| svabhAva, svabhAva meM eka ho gyaa| aura jaba taka azuddha cetana hai, vibhAva hai, taba taka alaga hai| yadi dasa pratizata azuddhi ho aura nAinTI parasenTa zuddhi ho taba bhI nahIM clegaa| taba taka (kramika mArga ke) jJAnI aisA kahate haiM ki, 'maiM alaga hU~ aura Apa saba ziSya alaga ho'| taba taka jJAnI ko akulAhaTa bhI rahatI hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina Apa kahate haiM ki ahaMkAra zuddha ho gayA lekina vaha rileTiva meM se riyala meM AtA hai| vaha to kucha bhI samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina aMhakAra jaba zuddha hotA hai taba svabhAva se hI ekAkAra ho jAtA hai, zuddhAtmA aura ahNkaar| kyoMki sirpha 'maiM' hI bacatA hai| anya kucha bhI nahIM bacatA, vaha bhI Azcarya hai na! praznakartA : kramika mArga meM aMtima sTepa meM 'maiM' bacatA hai ? dAdAzrI : sirpha 'maiM' hI bacatA hai| praznakartA : aba yaha jo 'maiM' vilaya hotA hai, vaha apane Apa (khuda) to nahIM hotA na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! 'maiM' baiThatA bhI kahA~ para hai ? zuddhAtmA meM baiTha jAtA hai| praznakartA : hA~! zuddhAtmA meM baiThatA hai lekina jaba yaha 'maiM' dUsarI jagaha para baiThA hai, arthAt zuddhAtmA nahIM milA hai, use aisA kucha samajhAne vAlA to honA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : isa 'maiM' meM yadi z2arA bhI koI anya paramANu rahe, taba taka 'maiM' bAhara baiThA rahatA hai lekina jaba paramANu vilaya ho jAe~ge, unakA galana ho jAegA taba 'maiM' usake aMdara hI baiTha jaaegaa| vahI mokSa hai| vahI aMtima avatAra hai| vaha carama zarIra kahalAtA hai| vaha zarIra aisA hotA hai ki kATane jAe to kaTe nhiiN| kramika mArga meM TheTha aMtima avatAra taka aMhakAra rahatA hai| lekina

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180 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) vaha aMhakAra kaisA hotA hai ? usa aMhakAra ke zuddha hote, hote, hote, hote, hote lobha ke paramANu nikala jAte haiM, mAna ke paramANu nikala jAte haiM, krodha ke paramANu nikala jAte haiM, vakratA ke paramANu nikala jAte haiM, mAyA ke, sabhI paramANu nikalate, nikalate, nikalate, nikalate... jo bilkula zuddha 'maiM' bacatA hai, vaha aura zuddhAtmA, donoM apane Apa hI ekAkAra ho jAte haiM, oNttomaittiklii| usI ko kahate haiM kramika maarg| hara eka meM tIna cIjeM haiM, prakRti, aMhakAra aura shuddhaatmaa| ApakA (mahAtmAoM kA) aMhakAra nirmUla ho cukA hai| aba ApameM do cIjeM bciiN| eka, prakRti aura dUsarA, shuddhaatmaa| praznakartA : aba yaha prakRti ko jisa bhAva se raMgA hai, vaha usI bhAva se DiscArja hogI, to kyA usa samaya 'maiM' nahIM rahatA? dAdAzrI : vaha to pariNAma hai na! praznakartA : kyA sirpha usakA pariNAma hI rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : arthAt usameM 'maiM' kI z2arUrata nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| pariNAma meM koI z2arUrata nahIM hai| isalie 'maiM' rahatA z2arUra hai, lekina pariNAma ke rUpa meM, DiscArja ke rUpa meN| praznakartA : to prakRti kI kriyA pUrNa hone taka hI usameM 'maiM' rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, basa utanA hii| praznakartA : to kyA aisA hai ki usakI sahamati rahane para hI prakRti khatma hotI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! jaisA nATaka kiyA thA, usI prakAra yahA~ para nATaka karanA pdd'egaa| pahale kartA bhAva se nATaka kiyA thA, usI prakAra

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 181 se yahA~ para bhoktA bhAva se karanA pdd'egaa| tabhI yaha zuddha hogaa| pyora! yaha bhoktA bhAva se hotA hai, vaisA hI naattk| bhoktA arthAt ahaMkAra hai lekina DiscArja hai aura kartA arthAt ahaMkAra hai lekina vaha cArja bhAva vAlA hai| 'maiM' rahA DiscArja pariNAma ke rUpa meM praznakartA : isameM 'maiM' hI jJAtA-dRSTA banA hai? abhI use bhAna huA hai ki 'maiM' to zuddhAtmA hU~, to kyA yaha 'maiM' hI jJAtA-dRSTA pada meM rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha prajJA hai| praznakartA : to usa samaya 'maiM' kahA~ para rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' to DiscArja karma meM hai| praznakartA : 'maiM' DiscArja karma meM hI rahA huA hai ? dAdAzrI : haM / 'maiM' se koI parezAnI nahIM hai| 'maiM hU~', vaha usakA astitva hai| jo astitva hai, vaisA kahane meM kyA harja hai? 'maiM hU~', usake lie kahatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA huuN'| usameM to na-astitva ko astitva mAnatA hai| jahA~ para khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ para aisA kahatA hai, 'maiM caMdUlAla huuN'| 'Apa caMdUlAla' kisa prakAra se ho? taba kahatA hai ki 'mA~ ne nAma rakhA thaa'| to bhAI, terI mA~ ne nAma rakhA to likha diyA hai| terI mA~ ne brAhmaNa se pUchA hogA ki kyA nAma rakhU ? duniyA meM saba gar3abar3a ghoTAlA aba Apako rAga-dveSa nahIM hoNge| tujhe nahIM hote haiM to phira aba kyA hai ? bahuta gaharAI (sUkSma) meM utaroge na, taba phira TaMkI dhone se kIcar3a nikalegA, sthUla acchA hai| thor3A-bahuta jAna lene ke bAda bahuta gaharAI meM nahIM utaranA hai| __ praznakartA : dAdA, to vaha 'maiM' pUrA hI pariNAma svarUpa hai na! to vaha kisake pariNAma svarUpa hai?

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182 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : pichale janma meM jo pratiSThita kiyA thA, usakA pariNAma hai, 'yaha maiMne kiyA' pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ke pariNAma ke rUpa meM hai| praznakartA : to pichale janma meM vaha 'karane vAlA' kauna thA? dAdAzrI : 'maiM'! vahI hai| praznakartA : haM, to phira vaha vApasa alaga hai na! dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha taba taka jIvita rahatA hai aura phira dUsare (maiM) ko janma dekara calA jAtA hai| praznakartA : to jJAna darzana meM aura 'maiM' meM kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : kucha bhI nahIM? to use roMga bilIpha kahA hai na! bilIpha kahA hai na, roMga bilIpha! dAdAzrI : bilIpha, vaha darzana hai| praznakartA : hN| to roMga bilIpha se 'maiM' utpanna hotA hai, aisA kahA hai na! dAdAzrI : 'maiM' (pratiSThita AtmA vAlA 'maiM') to 'maiM' (vibhAvika 'maiM') meM se hI utpanna hotA hai| (isalie usakA darzana ke sAtha sIdhA saMbaMdha nahIM hai|) praznakartA : aisA kisa prakAra se hai ki 'maiM' meM se hI 'maiM' utpanna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : dUsare ko paidA karake khuda maratA hai| dUsare ko janma dekara maratA hai| praznakartA : use z2arA aura spaSTatA se samajhAie na! 'dUsare ko janma dekara khuda calA jAtA hai', isakA matalaba?

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 183 dAdAzrI : (pratiSThita AtmA vAlA 'maiM') yaha pratiSThA karatA rahatA hai| use poSaNa detA rahatA hai| khuda ke svarUpa kI mUrti gar3hatA hai| phira jAte-jAte vaha turaMta hI dUsare ko janma de detA hai| aura jo dUsarA hai, vaha kAma karane laga jAtA hai| praznakartA : to kyA aisA hai ki yaha eka janma taka ke lie hI hai yA pratyeka avasthA meM yaha utpanna hotA hai aura usakA enDa AtA hai ? Apane kahA na ki 'pratiSThA kI yAnI dUsare ko janma diyA aura khuda calA gayA', to aisA pratyeka avasthA ke samaya hotA hai yA jiMdagI bhara eka hI calatA hai? dAdAzrI : jiMdagI bhara eka hii| praznakartA : eka hI hotA hai aura agale janma ke lie... dAdAzrI : vaha alg| phira vApasa vaha bhI pUrI jiMdagI sirpha eka hii| praznakartA : to Apa jo jJAna dete haiM taba usa para asara hotA hai yA kisI aura para? dAdAzrI : pudgala pr| praznakartA : to vaha jo dUsare ko janma detA thA, vaha khatma ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : khatma ho jAtA hai, roMga bilIpha khatma hone para vaha khatma ho jAtA hai| roMga bilIpha se utpanna hotA hai| roMga bilIpha calI jAne para usakA utpanna honA baMda ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : arthAt isakA artha yaha huA ki roMga bilIpha se 'maiM' jIvita ho jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : roMga bilIpha se yaha saMsAra khar3A hai! yAnI ki eka 'maiM' nahIM kitane hI 'maiN'|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) praznakartA : to phira 'maiM' meM aura darzana meM saMbaMdha huA na ? dAdAzrI : koI bhI saMbaMdha nahIM hai / praznakartA : kyoM ? usa mithyA darzana ke kAraNa se hI 'maiM' hai na! yadi aisA nahIM hai, to kaisA hai ? to hakIkata kyA hai, isa 'maiM' kI ? dAdAzrI : roMga bilIpha hai| praznakartA : kyoMki usa roMga bilIpha meM parivartana ho gayA hai na, to aisA dikhAI detA hai ki 'maiM' vilaya ho gayA / jaba kisI bhI avasthA meM 'maiM' Ane lagatA hai aura bilIpha meM parivartana hotA hai taba aisA dikhAI detA hai ki 'maiM' vilIna ho gayA / 184 dAdAzrI : rAiTa bilIpha baiThane para vaha 'maiM' calA jAtA hai| hamezA roMga bilIpha se hI khar3A hotA thA / ( darzana, vaha AtmA kA zAzvata guNa hai aura bilIpha aham ko ho gaI hai aura vaha vinAzI hai, isalie donoM ke bIca saMbaMdha nahIM hai / ) praznakartA : ThIka hai / dAdAzrI : yadi hamane dopahara meM bhUta kI kitAba par3hI ho aura rAta ko so rahe hoM, taba rAta ko akele sote samaya pAsa vAle rUma meM yadi pyAlA khar3ake to turaMta hI mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki yahA~ to koI bhI nahIM hai, phira yaha kauna hai ... ekadama se aMdara bhUta kA bhaya ghusa jAtA hai to vaha kitane baje taka... kaba taka rahatA hai ? praznakartA: subaha taka / subaha dina ugane tk| dAdAzrI : subaha jaba taka vaha bAta spaSTa nahIM ho jAtI hai taba taka rahatA hai| usake bAda rAiTa bilIpha baiThane para vaha khatma ho jAtA hai na ki yaha to galata bAta hai, yaha kucha bhI nahIM hai / isa prakAra se yoM yaha roMga bilIpha se calatA hI rahatA hai, bhUta kA asara / to kitane hI janmoM bAda ApakA yaha asara gayA hai (yaha jJAna milane para ) !

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 185 'maiM' ko pahacAnane vAlA, bane bhagavAna praznakartA : ApakA eka vAkya aisA nikalA thA ki yadi ahaMkAra ko pahacAna liyA jAe to vaha bhagavAna banA degA / to kyA ahaMkAra ko pahacAnanA hai? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ko pahacAna le to bahuta ho gayA na! ahaMkAra ko koI pahacAna nahIM sakatA na ! praznakartA : vaha samajha meM nahIM AyA / ahaMkAra ko pahacAnane kA matalaba kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra ko pahacAnanA arthAt pUre pudgala ko pahacAnanA / 'maiM' kahane vAle ko acchI taraha se pahacAnanA, pUre pudgala ko pahacAna legA to bhagavAna hI bana jAegA na ! praznakartA : to aisA huA na, 'maiM' arthAt pUre pudgala ko pahacAnanA ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM' kA matalaba hI hai, pUrA pudgala / 'maiM' kA matalaba aura kucha bhI nahIM hai| ataH yaha pUrA pudgala ahaMkAra kA hI hai| jo usa ahaMkAra ko pahacAna legA usakA kalyANa ho jaaegaa| sabhI loga ahaMkAra karate z2arUra haiM lekina use pahacAnate nahIM haiM na ! praznakartA : isameM ahaMkAra aura use pahacAnane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : pahacAnane vAlA hI bhagavAna hai / praznakartA : aba usa ahaMkAra ko pudgala kA svarUpa kahA gayA hai to phira vaha ahaMkAra bhI bhagavAna banatA hai / dAdAzrI : vaha ahaMkAra jaba zuddha hote, hote, hote zuddha ahaMkAra bana jAtA hai taba 'bhagavAna' aura 'vaha', ve saba ekAkAra ho jAte haiM zuddha ahaMkAra hI zuddhAtmA hai / azuddha ahaMkAra, vaha jIvAtmA hai / I praznakartA : kyA ahaMkAra ke svarUpa ko pahacAnane ke bAda hI 'vaha' zuddha kI tarapha jAtA hai ?

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186 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : hA~, tabhI na! lekina use pUrI taraha se pahacAna nahIM paataa| jaba pUrI taraha se pahacAna jAegA taba bhagavAna bana jaaegaa| praznakartA : aba ahaMkAra ko pudgala kA svarUpa kahA gayA hai, to vaha khuda usameM se kisa prakAra zuddha hotA hai? vaha azuddha meM se zuddha kI tarapha kisa prakAra AtA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha kisakI bhajanA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) hai? zuddha kI bhajanA kare to vaha zuddha bana jAtA hai| yadi aisI bhajanA rahe ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', to zuddha bana jAtA hai| varnA yadi kahe, 'maiM rAjA ha~' to rAjA bana jAtA hai| __ jo bhajanA karatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hai| azuddha kI bhajanA kare taba taka vaha vaisA hI azuddha rahatA hai, zuddha kI bhajanA kare to vaisA hI zuddha bana jAtA hai| jaisA ciMtana karatA hai, vaha vaisA hI banatA jAtA hai| jo pUre dina coriyA~ hI karatA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA kI bhajanA kaise karegA? 'maiM cora hU~' aisI hI bhajanA hotI rahegI na? aura vaha cora bana hI jAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt vaha jaisA vyavahAra karatA hai, vaisI hI usakI bhajanA hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : vyavahAra para hI pUrI bhajanA AdhArita hai| jaisI usakI bhajanA hotI hai, usI anusAra vyavahAra rahatA hai aura jaisA vyavahAra ho usI anusAra bhajanA hotI hai| jJAna hone ke bAda meM sirpha aMtima avatAra meM vyavahAra aura bhajanA, donoM alaga-alaga hote haiN| vyavahAra bekAra hai aura nizcaya kAma kA hai, taba usa tarapha kI bhajanA calatI hai ki vyavahAra kA aba niber3A lAnA hai| praznakartA : to vyavahAra ko arpaNa karane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : arpaNa karane vAlA yaha pudgala hI hai| vaha samA jAnA cAhatA hai, aura kyA? vahI kA vahI pudgl| eka cIz2a samajha lenI hai ki apanA jo vyavahAra AtmA hai, vaha

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(1.12) 'maiM' ke sAmane jAgRti 187 mUla AtmA ke sAtha jaoNinTa honA cAhatA hai| mUla vastu, cetana, cetana meM mila jAnA cAhatA hai aura pudgala, pudgala meM mila jAnA cAhatA hai| usa para bahuta nahIM socanA hai| ina saba meM bahuta gahare mata utaranA aMdara se to aisA ulTA pAgalapana khar3A hogaa| eka bAra jo kahA hai, aMdara utanA hI karo na! mokSa DhU~Dhane vAlA aura mokSa svarUpa hamezA vaha mUla selpha hI selpha hai| zuddhAtmA mUla selpha hai lekina 'vaha' selpha Develapa hote, hote, AvaraNa rahita hote, hote, hote Age bar3hatA hai aura yaha mUla selpha sAtha ke sAtha hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : ajJAna meM se jo 'maiM' khar3A huA, vaha aura orijanala 'maiM', usakA isase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : lenA-denA nahIM hai| lekina 'maiM' to 'maiM' hI hai| 'maiM' isa jagaha para phiTa nahIM huA aura dUsarI jagaha para phiTa ho gayA hai| praznakartA : lekina ajJAna meM jo aisA kahatA hai, 'maiM kara rahA hU~', vaha orijanala 'maiM' to nahIM kahatA na? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para 'use' orijanala 'maiM' kA hI AbhAsa hotA hai ki yaha 'maiM hI hU~' isalie phira jaba 'yaha maiM nahIM hU~', aisA bhAna hotA hai na, taba vaha khatma ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : ajJAna meM jo 'maiM' aisA mAnatA hai ki 'maiM' kara rahA hU~, vaha orijanala 'maiM' nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! orijanala 'maiM' kahA~ se lAegA? orijanala 'maiM' to ho hI nahIM sakatA na? yaha to bhrAMti vAlA 'maiM' hai| praznakartA : hA~, vaha bhrAMti vAlA hai isIlie kahate haiM na ki vaha bhrAMti vAlA 'maiM' orijanala jagaha para baiTha gayA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai ki baiTha gayA hai| vaha jo 'maiM', 'maiM

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188 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) caMdU hU~' meM ghusa gayA thA, vahI jhaMjhaTa hai| usa 'maiM' ko phrekcara karane ke lie yaha kaha rahA huuN| yaha jo mAnyatA vAlA 'maiM' hai, vaha vahA~ se nikala jAe to usI ko kahate haiM ki 'maiM', 'maiM' meM baiTha gyaa| praznakartA : dAdA, kramika mArga vAle aisA kahate haiM na ki ahaMkAra se mUr3ha ho cukA AtmA aisA kahatA hai ki 'maiM kartA huuN'| vAstava meM vaha kartA nahIM hai| yaha to aham kahatA hai| ajJAna kahatA hai, AtmA nahIM khtaa| dAdAzrI : sabakucha ajJAna hI kahatA hai na! do hI bAteM haiM, tIsarA koI hai hI nhiiN| eka to vaha hai, jo mokSa DhU~Dha rahA thA aura eka bhagavAna haiN| ve, jo mokSa svarUpa hokara baiThe hue haiN|

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khaMr3a -2 dravya-guNa-paryAya [1] paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI dravya kA matalaba? praznakartA : to dAdA, dravya kA matalaba kyA hai ? svAbhAvika rUpa se dravya kA AdhyAtmika artha kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : dravya kA artha hai vastu / isa jagat meM chaH dravya haiN| unameM se eka dravya hai aatmaa| pUre jJAna meM jo dravya Ate haiM na, ve ye chaH dravya mAne jAte haiM, jo ki iTarnala haiN| jo guNa va paryAya sahita hotA hai use dravya kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : sAdhAraNa bhASA meM to dravya kA guNadharma hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : vastu arthAt jise Apa dravya kahate ho na, ve anitya vastue~ haiM jabaki ye dravya nitya haiN| nitya meM rUpI kauna sA hai? eka hI tattva hai, jo aNu-paramANu Ate haiM na, ve saba hameM usa eka hI tattva meM se dikhAI dete haiN| anya tattva dikhAI nahIM dete, chupe rUpa meM aMdara haiM j'ruur| isalie hamane ise dravya kahA hai| dravya meM kyA-kyA AtA hai, jAnate ho? vastu kA svabhAva aura vastu ke guNa, dravya meM ye donoM Ate haiM aura bAkI saba paryAya meM AtA hai| to AtmA ke bhI paryAya haiN|

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190 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : 'anya dravyoM ke sAtha, dravya-guNa-paryAya ke anyatva hai lekina pRthaktva nahIM hai|' yaha vAkya smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : dUsare dravyoM se anyatva hai, bilkula bhI kanekzana nahIM hai, no knekshn| eka dravya dUsare dravya kI koI bhI madada nahIM karatA, na hI koI nukasAna pahuMcAtA hai| praznakartA : aura pRthaktva arthAt ki usake Tukar3e nahIM kie jA sakate? dAdAzrI : nahIM! 'pRthaktva nahIM hai', vaha dravya-guNa-paryAya kA hai, unameM eka-dUsare se judAI nahIM hai| aura anyatva, vaha dUsare dravyoM se hai| binA paryAya kA dravya nahIM ho sakatA aura binA dravya kA paryAya nahIM ho sktaa| dravya kaba kahalAtA hai? vaha khuda dravya tabhI kahalAtA hai jaba usameM guNa aura paryAya hoN| tabhI vaha dravya kahalAtA hai| aura pRthaktva arthAt aisA kahA hai ki eka-dUsare se judAI nahIM hai| ___koI bhI vastu, pudgala bhI, guNa aura paryAya sahita hI hotA hai aura jo guNa va paryAya sahita nahIM hai, vaha vastu hI nahIM hai| paryAya nahIM hoMge to guNa nahIM hoMge, guNa nahIM hoMge to vastu nahIM hogii| yadi guNa haiM, to paryAya hone hI caahie| sUrya kA jo prakAza nAmaka guNa hai to usakI kiraNeM to hoMgI hii| kiraNeM badalatI rahatI haiM lekina prakAza sadA rahatA hai| praznakartA : hA~, ThIka hai| aba samajha meM AyA daadaajii| dAdAzrI : jaba guNa kAryakArI hote haiM taba ve paryAya kahalAte haiN| sUryanArAyaNa ko dravya kaheMge, vastu kheNge| prakAza nAmaka unakA guNa hai aura unakI jo rez2a (kiraNe) bAhara nikalatI haiM, ve paryAya kahalAtI haiN| una paryAyoM kA nAza hotA hai lekina guNa kA nAza nahIM hotA aura vastu kA nAza nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : kyA koI bhI vastu, guNa aura paryAya rahita nahIM ho sakatI?

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 191 dAdAzrI : avinAzI vastu nahIM ho sktii| praznakartA : aura vinAzI cIz2a guNa-paryAya rahita ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : vinAzI meM to sabhI kucha virodhAbhAsI hI hotA hai na! praznakartA : lekina usake guNa aura paryAya to hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : usake guNa zAzvata nahIM hote| guNa kise kaheMge? jo hamezA ke lie hoM, unheM guNa kheNge| lekina ye vinAzI cIjeM to khuda hI zAzvata nahIM haiN| unake pIche kyA sira phor3I? guNa kise kahA jAtA hai? jo paramAnenTa raheM, anvaya meM hoM, hamezA ke lie hoN| ye to khuda hI paramAnenTa nahIM haiM, to vahA~ para guNa kaise? phira bhI hama aisA kaha sakate haiM ki bhAI, ye avasthAe~ haiN| paryAya nahIM kheNge| paryAya bahuta sUkSma cIz2a hai aura avasthAe~ moTI cIz2a hai| jaise ki ajJAnI vyakti yaha samajha sakatA hai ki, 'merI avasthA badala gaI hai| vaha paryAya kA hI svarUpa hai, lekina moTA svarUpa hai| paryAya aura avasthA meM pharka praznakartA : paryAya kA matalaba kyA hai? / dAdAzrI : ye loga jise paryAya kahate haiM, vaha cIz2a alaga hai jabaki vAstava meM paryAya alaga cIz2a hai| paryAya aisI cIz2a hai ki manuSya ko samajha meM nahIM A sakatI! manuSya ko avasthA samajha meM A sakatI praznakartA : avasthA kaho yA paryAya, ve saba samAnArthI zabda haiM na? dAdAzrI : ve eka nahIM haiM, ve alaga haiN| paryAya bahuta alaga cIz2a hai| vaha to, abhI ke logoM ko yaha samajha meM nahIM Ane kI vajaha se, paryAya aura avasthA ko, saba ko eka hI mAna liyA hai, lekina paryAya bahuta alaga cIz2a hai| vaha jJAnI puruSa kA kAma hai, anya logoM kA kAma nahIM hai|

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192 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hama jo avasthAe~ dekhate haiM, unameM choTI se choTI avasthA ko paryAya kahA jAtA hai, paryAya se Age aura koI bhAga nahIM ho skte| praznakartA : jo nizcaya se dravya hai, kyA vaha paryAya kA kartA hai ? dAdAzrI : koI bhI kartA nahIM hai| paryAya arthAt jaise ki yaha sUrya hai na, usa sUrya kI rez2a (kiraNe) nikalatI haiM na, to sUrya ko, khuda ko vaha nahIM karanA par3atA, ve apane Apa svAbhAvika rUpa se nikalatI haiN| usI prakAra se svAbhAvika rUpa se ye paryAya utpanna hote haiN| ataH kisI ko karanA nahIM par3atA, koI bhI kartA nahIM hai| __ avasthAoM kA jJAna nAzavaMta hai| svAbhAvika jJAna avinAzI hai| yaha sUrya hai aura usakI kiraNeM haiN| usI prakAra, AtmA hai aura AtmA kI jo kiraNeM haiM, ve paryAya haiN| ye to bahuta sUkSma bAteM haiN| praznakartA : ina vastuoM kI avasthAe~ kauna sI zakti se badalatI dAdAzrI : kAla tttv| jaise-jaise kAla badalatA hai, vaise-vaise avasthAe~ badalatI haiN| riyala vastu kI tulanA nahIM karanI caahie| vaha vastu eka hI hai| utpanna honA aura usake kAla ke anusAra rahanA aura phira nAza ho jAnA, vaha avasthA kA svabhAva hai| sabhI manuSya tattva kI avasthAe~ hI dekha sakate haiN| duniyA meM pUrNa jJAnI ke alAvA koI bhI aisA nahIM haiM jo tattva ko dekha ske| abhI maiM sarva tattvoM ko jAnatA huuN| maiM ebsalyUTiz2ama arthAt 'kevala' jAnatA huuN| vAstava meM paryAya zabda kA dUsarI jagaha para upayoga nahIM karanA cAhie, phira bhI loga upayoga karate haiN| paryAya zabda avinAzI cIz2oM para hI lAgU hotA hai| paryAya kA artha hai avasthA aura avasthA zabda kA saba ArAma se upayoga karane lge| praznakartA : avasthA aura paryAya meM kyA pharka hai, usakA ekAdha udAharaNa dIjie na!

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 193 dAdAzrI : ghaMTe aura pala meM jitanA pharka hai, utanA adhika pharka hai inameM / donoM meM pharka to hai| kyA hama ghaMToM ko aMtima dazA kahate haiM? nahIM! hama yahA~ vyavahAra meM pala ko aMtima dazA mAnate haiN| ye jo paryAya haiM, ve usake jaisI sUkSma cIz2a hai| phira bhI usameM pala jaisI sthUlatA nahIM hotI, vahA~ para sthUla nahIM hai| __avasthA A~khoM se dekhI jA sakatI hai, anubhava kI jA sakatI hai, saba sthUla hotA hai jabaki paryAya to bahuta sUkSma hote haiN| yaha jo rAta hai na, to rAta ke paryAya hara eka samaya meM badalate hI rahate haiN| lekina hameM vaha vaise kA vaisA hI dikhAI detA hai| rAta ko paryAya to badalate hI rheNge| sabhI iMsAnoM ke bhI, dina-rAta sabhI paryAya badalate hI rahate haiM lekina hameM to vahI ke vahI caMdUbhAI dikhAI dete haiN| phira jaba ve bUr3he hote haiM taba hama kahate haiM ki 'hA~, aba bUr3he ho gae haiN| to bhAI, ho hI rahe the na! bUr3he ho hI rahe the na! (bur3hApe ko avasthA kahate haiN|) to avasthA aura paryAya meM itanA adhika pharka hai| to eka gA~va meM aisA huA ki do bhAI the, to Upara choTA bhAI rahatA thA aura nIce bar3A bhAI rahatA thaa| unhoMne jagaha bA~Ta lI thI, nIce bhaiMsa bA~dhate the| yaha merI aura yaha terI jagaha hai, bhaiMsa bA~dhane kii| aba jo bhaiMsa kA baccA thA, use kahA~ bA~dhe ? rAta ko ThaMDa se mara jaataa| aura nIce jo bar3A bhAI thA, vaha apane yahA~ bA~dhane nahIM de rahA thaa| to jo choTI bahU thI, vaha roz2a hI use uThAkara Upara le jaatii| use to usa bhaiMsa ke bacce kA paryAya vahI kA vahI dikhAI detA thaa| jabaki vaha baccA to bar3A ho gayA, phira bhI vaha use Upara le jAtI thI aura vaha dhIre-dhIre bar3ha rahA thA, graijualI, use kucha patA nahIM claa| use to vaha vaise kA vaisA hI dikhAI detA thaa| lekina usakI avasthA to niraMtara badala hI rahI thii| ataH paryAya aura avasthA! taba phira logoM ne kahA, 'are bhAI, tU isa bacce ko kisa taraha le jAtA hai?' taba phira ve soca meM par3a gae aura usake bAda vaha chUTa gyaa| usa bacce ko beca diyaa| to aisA hai yaha sb|

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194 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) jJAna hI AtmA hai, dravya-guNa ke rUpa meM praznakartA : AptavANI cauthI meM aisA likhA hai ki jJAna hI AtmA hai| vaha kisa prakAra se? AtmA to dravya hai aura jJAna usakA guNa hai| dAdAzrI : jJAna hI AtmA hai lekina vAstava meM kauna sA jJAna? kevljnyaan| kevala arthAt usameM anya koI bhI mikscara nahIM hai| sirpha kevalajJAna hI, zuddha prakAza hI hai| zuddha prkaash| abhI azuddha prakAza dikhAI detA hai| zubha, azubha prakAza dikhAI detA hai| zubhAzubha prakAza kI vajaha se yaha sArI mAra khAnI par3atI hai| vaha zuddha prakAza arthAt hIrA, khuda apane hI svabhAva se damakatA hai| praznakartA : arthAt jJAna aura AtmA kA tAdAtmya saMbaMdha batAyA? dAdAzrI : haM, jJAna hI AtmA hai aura jJAna usakA guNa hai| aura jaba jJAna kA upayoga hotA hai to vaha usakA paryAya kahalAtA hai| yaha jJAna hI AtmA hai| jaba jJAna kevala ho jAtA hai, taba dravya rUpI kahalAtA hai aura jaba taka kevala nahIM ho jAtA taba taka vaha jJAna, guNa rUpI kahalAtA hai| mUla AtmA jJAna svarUpa hI hai lekina yadi zuddha jJAna ho to vaha dravya kahalAtA hai aura vahI jJAna hai| ataH jJAna svarUpa para pahu~cane kI bAta karanI hai, jJAna kI hI bAta karanI hai, anya koI bAta nhiiN| dravya anya koI cIz2a nahIM hai| dravya kA artha hai kucha khAsa guNoM se bharI huI vastu / jJAna, darzana, zakti, sukha vagairaha ye saba jo guNa haiM, unase bharI huI vastu, aura usameM bhI khAsa taura para usakA svabhAva kaisA hai? vaha jJAyaka svabhAva hai| arthAt jAnane kA svAbhAva hai| turaMta hI jAna jAtA hai, samajha jAtA hai| vaha avinAbhAva saMbaMdha hai| praznakartA : avinAbhAva saMbaMdha, jJAna aura Atmadravya kA? dAdAzrI : hA~, dravya aura jJAna kA avinAbhAva saMbaMdha hai aura eka pariprekSya se jJAna hI dravya kahalAtA hai| jaba taka jJAna adhUrA hai taba taka jJAna ko alaga rakhA hai| jaba taka AtmajJAna hai taba taka dravya aura jJAna alaga haiM aura jahA~ saMpUrNa kevalajJAna hai, vahA~ para dravya aura jJAna, donoM eka ho jAte haiN|

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI saMkhyA, tattvoM ke guNoM kI praznakartA : guNoM kI dRSTi se, saMkhyA kI dRSTi se AtmA meM jitane guNa haiM utane hI guNa pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) paramANu meM haiM, kyA yaha bAta sahI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! usake anaMta guNa haiN| anaMta jJAna vAlA hai, yaha aatmaa| pudgala paramANuoM meM alaga prakAra ke guNa hote haiN| sabhI meM guNa haiN| sabhI chaH dravyoM meM guNa haiN| dravyoM meM apane-apane guNa aura khuda ke paryAya, donoM sAtha meM hI haiN| praznakartA : lekina usakA aura usakI saMkhyA kA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai? isake guNoM kI itanI saMkhyA aura isake itane, aisA kucha nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : saMkhyA ginane kI z2arUrata hI kahA~ rahI isameM ? tAMbe ke aise guNa haiM, sone ke aise guNa haiM, pItala ke aise guNa haiM, sabhI kI apaneapane guNoM meM hI ramaNatA rahatI hai| praznakartA : eka tarapha kahate haiM, 'guNoM se saMpUrNa zuddha hU~, sarvAMga zuddha hU~' aura eka tarapha AtmA ke mukhya ATha guNa kahate haiM, to vaha konTraDikzana (virodhAbhAsa) nahIM hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! usake ve AThoM hI guNa zuddha haiN| usa zuddha meM azuddhi ho gaI hai, isa bhrAMti kI vajaha se| vaha jJAnAvaraNa guNa hai, (lekina vibhAva dazA vAlA) usakI zuddhi ho jAne para jJAna ho jAtA hai| yaha jo darzanAvaraNa guNa hai, usakI zuddhi ho jAne para jJAna ho jAtA hai| sApha guNa zuddha svAbhAvika guNa meM A jAte haiN| kyA pUchanA cAhate ho Apa? praznakartA : nijaguNa arthAt AtmA khuda ke guNoM ko lekara to zuddhi hI hai lekina guNa AvaraNa kI vajaha se haiM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha to hai hI shuddh| svabhAva se hI zuddha hai| praznakartA : aura hama jinheM guNa kahate haiM, vaha AvaraNa ke kAraNa kahate haiM na?

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) I dAdAzrI : vaha to AvaraNa ke kAraNa hai / svabhAva se zuddha hI hai / vaha to AvaraNa kI tulanA meM aisA kahate haiM / nirpekSa bhAva se to vaha zuddha hI hai| (anaMta jJAna, darzana, zakti, sukha, vagairaha vagairaha ko AvaraNa kI tulanA meM vibhAvika dazA ke guNa kahate haiM) 196 ghAtI haiM guNoM meM se aura aghAtI paryAyoM meM se praznakartA : paryAya bhI anAdi kAla se sat vastu hai yA kisI kI utpanna kI huI hai? dAdAzrI : sat vastu kise kahA jAtA hai ? jo guNa aura paryAya, donoM sahita ho vaha sat kahalAtA hai / guNa hoM aura paryAya na hoM to sat nahIM khlaaegaa| praznakartA : to phira paryAya kisane utpanna kie ? dAdAzrI : utpanna nahIM kie haiM, svabhAva se haiM hii| praznakartA : kisake svabhAva se ? dAdAzrI : jo sat vastu hai na, usake svabhAva meM hI guNa va paryAya haiN| svabhAva meM arthAt kisI ko utpanna karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| use utpanna karane vAlA koI paidA hI nahIM huA hai, utpanna karegA bhI nahIM / yaha vaisA kucha hai hI nahIM / praznakartA : to phira aisA kaise mAna leM ki paryAyoM ko bhI koI utpanna nahIM kara sakatA ? dAdAzrI : nahIM ! lekina unheM utpanna karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai na ! ve svabhAva se haiM hii| praznakartA : kisake svabhAva se haiM ? dAdAzrI : yaha sUrya hai na, prakAza usakA khuda kA guNa hai aura ye jo kiraNe haiM bAhara kI, ve niraMtara badalatI rahatI haiN| ve paryAya kahalAtI haiN| usI prakAra se jJAna - darzana - zakti va sukha, ye sabhI AtmA ke guNa

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 197 haiN| jJAna-darzana-sukha va zakti, jitane bhI ghAtI karma kahalAte haiM, ve sabhI (vibhAvika dazA ke) guNa haiM aura paryAya kauna se haiM ? jo aghAtI kahalAte haiM, ve saba paryAya haiN| arthAt vedanIya, nAma, gotra aura AyuSya, ve saba paryAya kI vajaha se utpanna hote haiN| arthAt abhI jo siddhagati meM baiThe haiM, ve loga (siddho) niraMtara khuda ke svarUpa meM hI masta rahate haiN| unake khuda ke guNa jJAna-darzana-sukha vagairaha saba haiN| ve khuda jJAtA aura dRSTA haiN| ata: ve jagat ke jIvamAtra ko dekhate haiN| ve khuda jJAtA-dRSTA haiM yAnI ki unake isa guNa kI vajaha se, ve niraMtara saba ko dekha sakate haiN| usameM bhI yoM bAhara nahIM dekhate, unheM aMdara hI dikhAI detA hai| jaise ki darpaNa meM dikhAI detA hai na, usa prakAra se khuda ke dravya meM hI dikhAI detA hai| unake aMdara hI jhalakatA hai| aba yaha jhalakatA hai, to yadi subaha kA samaya ho na, cAra baje hoM to taba koI nahIM uThatA, saba so rahe hote haiM to vaisA dikhAI detA hai| phira pA~ca baje kucha-kucha cahala-pahala hotI hai to vaisA dikhAI detA hai| phira chaH baje aura bhI adhika cahala-pahala dikhAI detI hai| ATha-nau baje saba idhara-udhara jAte haiM, jhuMDa ke jhuMDa ghUmate hue dikhAI dete haiN| praznakartA : badalatA rahatA hai| dAdAzrI : logoM meM jo badalAva hotA hai, ve unake paryAya haiN| to unheM vahA~ para badalA huA dikhAI detA hai| aba, maiMne hAtha U~cA kiyA to unake jJAna meM vaha paryAya huaa| jJAna zAzvata hai, ye avasthAe~ sArI badalatI rahatI haiN| ataH dravya-guNa va paryAya, ve AtmA ke haiN| phira pudgala ke bhI dravya-guNa va paryAya haiN| praznakartA : ye dravya-guNa jo haiM, ve AtmA meM dikhAI dete haiM yA paryAya meM dikhAI dete haiM? dAdAzrI : guNa to zAzvata svabhAva hai| guNa kA matalaba kyA hai? jo niraMtara sAtha meM rhe| praznakartA : aba unheM to kucha karanA nahIM hai, guNoM ko to?

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198 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM karanA hotaa| praznakartA : AtmA kA eka bhAga hai, jo ki paryAya hai, vaha badalatA rahatA hai, use karanA hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : karanA to kisI ko kucha bhI nahIM hai| yaha sonA hai na, to sone ke guNadharma kabhI bhI badalate nahIM haiM lekina usase jo aMgUThI banatI hai, kucha aura banatA hai, taraha-taraha ke z2evara, sabhI avasthAe~ banatI haiM, ve saba badalatI rahatI haiM lekina sonA vahI kA vahI rahatA hai| praznakartA : aba, jo Atmadarzana hotA hai, vaha to paryAya meM hotA hai na, aura kahA~ para hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! pahale 'use' (vibhAvika 'maiM' ko) darzana ho jAtA hai| use zraddhA baiTha jAtI hai| pratIti hotI hai ki 'maiM yaha huuN'| phira anubhava ho jAtA hai| ataH pahale jo paryAya azuddha the, ve paryAya aba zuddha ho ge| praznakartA : aba, ye isa prakAra se jo dravya-guNa haiM, unakI anubhUti to honI cAhie na, tabhI aisA kahA jAegA na ki hameM AtmA kI anubhUti dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| anubhUti to mukhya cIz2a hai na! hameM to itanA hI cAhie ki ye AvaraNa TUTa jaaeN| praznakartA : yaha jo anubhUti hotI hai, vaha to paryAyoM ko hotI hai na? dAdAzrI : mUla dravya-guNa va paryAya, ina saba kA 'maiM' ko eka sAtha anubhava ho jAtA hai| sirpha paryAyoM ko hI nahIM hotA, saba sAtha meM hI hote haiN| guNa ke binA paryAya ho hI nahIM skte| paryAya nahIM hoMge to guNa nahIM hoNge| avinAbhAvI (avicchedI saMbaMdha) haiM sb| arthAt sAtha meM hI anubhava ho jAtA hai|

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 199 zuddha citta paryAya ke rUpa meM, zuddhAtmA dravya-guNoM ke rUpa meM praznakartA : AtmA isa deha meM hai aura paryAya sahita hai, to azuddha citta, prajJA aura AtmA ke paryAyoM ke bIca kyA saMbaMdha haiM? dAdAzrI : usa (mUla) AtmA ke paryAya zuddha haiN| guNa bhI zuddha haiM aura paryAya bhI zuddha haiN| praznakartA : to abhI yaha sArA phaMkzana citta kA hai? prajJA kA phaMkzana hai? dAdAzrI : hA~! vaha to aisA hai ki jaba sabhI guNa aura paryAya zuddha ho jAte haiM taba 'khuda ko' kevalajJAna ho jAtA hai| taba taka prajJA alaga rahatI hai| praznakartA : hN| to usa kSaNa AtmA ke paryAya rahate haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina (vibhAva dazA ke bAda vAle) paryAya zuddha ho jAe~ aura guNa bhI zuddha ho jAe~ to usake bAda use' kevalajJAna hotA hai| arthAt jaba taka vaha honA bAkI hai taba taka yaha saba alaga rahatA hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai| guNa to zuddha hI hote haiM na? kyA guNa kA zuddha honA bhI bAkI rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : guNa ke bhI zuddha hone kI z2arUrata hai| praznakartA : vaha kisa prakAra se? dAdAzrI : jaba ye sabhI DiscArja karma zuddha upayogapUrvaka khapa jAte haiM taba usakA guNa zuddhatA rUpI phala detA hai, varnA nahIM detaa| tabhI kevalajJAna hotA hai, varnA nahIM ho sktaa| abhI guNa AvaraNa vAle haiN| sabhI kA (vyavahAra) AtmA, dravya aura guNoM se zuddha hI hai lekina paryAya se azuddha hai| isameM paryAya kA zuddhikaraNa ho jAegA to ho jAegA pUrNa shuddhaatmaa|

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200 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : azuddha citta kA AtmA ke paryAya ke sAtha kyA saMbaMdha dAdAzrI : buddhi aura citta, ve pratiSThita AtmA ('maiM' - vibhAvika AtmA) ke kahe jAte haiM, kyoMki buddhi Azayayukta hai| ye jo jJAna va darzana haiM, ve guNoM se bharapUra haiM, lekina avasthAoM ke taura para sImita haiN| yaha jo citta hai, vaha buddhi ke paryAya haiN| ve paryAya azuddha ho cuke haiN| citta azuddha jJAna-darzana kA paryAya hai, ve buddhi kI avasthAe~ haiM, ve paryAya haiN| jaba buddhi kI limiTa khatma hotI hai, taba vaha buddhi kA anusaraNa karatA hai| buddhi jo bhI Disiz2ana detI hai, vaha vyavasthita ke anusAra hI detI hai| jitanA buddhi kA prakAza hotA hai, utane hI citta ke paryAya hote haiN| zuddha citta paryAya rUpI hai aura zuddhAtmA, dravya-guNa rUpI hai lekina aMta meM to saba eka hI cIz2a hai| badalate haiM sirpha paryAya, na ki jJAna-darzana praznakartA : dravya, guNa aura paryAya, inameM se paryAya AtmA kA guNa hai yA usakI avasthA hai?* dAdAzrI : yadi guNa hotA to vaha guNoM meM aataa| paryAya arthAt eka prakAra kI avasthA aura vaha bhI guNa kI avsthaa| AtmA kI avasthA nahIM hai, guNa kI avasthA hai| sUrya meM prakAza kA guNa hai na, isalie jaba sUrya AtA hai to ujAlA ho jAtA hai| aisA hai na ki yaha jo lAiTa (ilekTrika balba) hai, vaha dravya kahalAtA hai aura jo prakAza dene kI zakti hai, vaha guNa kahalAtA hai| jJAna va darzana, ve guNa kahalAte haiM aura jaba prakAza meM ina sabhI cIjoM ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, taba ve paryAya kahalAte haiN| ye sabhI cIjeM jo dikhAI detI haiM, ve jJeya va dRzya kahalAtI haiN| dravya va guNa jJeya ke anusAra nahIM hote| paryAya jJeya ke anusAra hote haiN| 'lAiTa' (balba) usI jagaha para rahatI hai| *AptavANI-3 peja naM-59 se 67 AtmA dravya-guNa-paryAya ke bAre meM vizeSa vivaraNa

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201 (2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI praznakartA : paryAya to samaya-samaya para badalate haiM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, badalate rahate haiN| vastu ke guNa vahI ke vahI rahate haiM, paryAya badalate rahate haiN| paryAya jo haiM ve... praznakartA : lekina kabhI azubha Ate haiM aura kabhI zubha Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| jJAna ke sabhI paryAya badalate rahate haiM, aura jaise-jaise cIjeM badalatI jAtI haiM, vaise-vaise usa tarapha jJAna ke paryAya bhI badalate jAte haiN| azubha aura zubha ko paryAya nahIM mAnA jAegA, ve to udaya kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : ve udaya kahalAte haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| paryAya to vastu ke hote haiM, mUla vastu ke| praznakartA : AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, ve avasthAMtara (avasthA meM parivartana) haiN| jisa prakAra se bAlaka kA janma hotA hai, phira vaha bar3A hotA hai, phira javAnI AtI hai, phira bur3hApA AtA hai to use paryAya kahA jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : use paryAya nahIM khte| ve saba to avasthAe~ khlaaeNgii| paryAya to bahuta sUkSma hote haiN| use jagat ke loga samajhate hI nahIM haiM, paryAya ko| ina avasthAoM ko samajha sakate haiN| paryAya mUla vastu para lAgU hotA hai| aba chaH mUla vastue~ haiN| eka hai cetana, dUsarA hai aNuparamANu (jar3a), aura phira ye dharmAstikAya, adharmAstikAya, kAla aura aakaash| unake paryAya hote haiM, bAkI saba ke paryAya nahIM hote| sabhI mUla vastuoM ke paryAya hote haiN| ataH vAstava meM to mUla vastuoM ke to guNa hote haiM, una guNoM ke paryAya hote haiM, mUla vastu ke paryAya nahIM hote| vastu ke guNoM ke hI paryAya hote haiN| ___guNa niraMtara sAtha meM rahate haiM aura niraMtara sAtha meM rheNge| guNa meM aura dravya meM pharka hI nahIM hai, sirpha usake paryAya badalate rahate haiN|

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202 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) khuda hamezA tattva ke rUpa meM rahatA hai aura phez2iz2a utpanna hote haiM, aura bAda meM unakA vinAza ho jAtA hai| jaise ki caMdramA ke phez2iz2a meM tIja hotI hai, cautha hotI hai, paMcamI hotI hai lekina caMdramA to apane mUla svarUpa meM hI hai| ye to usake phez2iz2a haiM, saMyogoM ke AdhAra pr| 'Apa' khuda aisA mAnate ho ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', ata: phez2a rUpI bana gae ho| praznakartA : manuSya khuda mizracetana kA bhAga hai isalie phez2a rUpI (avasthA rUpI) hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! yadi vaha mizracetana kA bhAga hotA na, to mUla svarUpa meM hotaa| manuSya to phez2a rUpI hai kyoMki 'usakI' mAnyatA roMga hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', usakA vartana roMga hai aura usakA jJAna roMga hai| jisakI mAnyatA, vartana aura jJAna phaikTa hoM, vaha phez2a rUpI nahIM kahalAegA, vaha mUla svarUpa khlaaegaa| __jaise ki ye phez2iz2a oNpha mUna haiM, usI prakAra se ye jo AtmA ke phez2iz2a haiM, ve hI paryAya haiN| ve phez2iz2a khatma ho jAe~ge to pUnama ho jaaegii| tattva se zUnya, paryAya se pUrNa praznakartA : 'AtmA paryAya se pUrNa hai aura svabhAva se zUnya hai', vaha kisa prakAra se? yaha z2arA samajhanA hai| dAdAzrI : ye jo paudgalika paryAya haiM na, unake AdhAra para pUrNa hai aura svabhAva se saMkalpa-vikalpa rahita hai, svabhAva se zUnya hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina isameM pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kI bAta kisa taraha AtI hai? AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, ve jJAtA-dRSTA banakara pudgala ko dekhate haiM isalie? dAdAzrI : paryAya, yahA~ pudgala para lAgU hote haiN| kyoMki svabhAva bAda meM AtA hai| svabhAva meM sabakucha zUnya hai, isIlie vahA~ para paryAyavaryAya saba zUnya ho jAte haiN|

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 203 jJeya meM jJeyAkAra pariNAma, vahI paryAya haiM, unase pUrNa hai aura tattva se zUnya hai| anaMta jJeyo se anaMta paryAya utpanna hote haiM, unheM jAnane meM vaha pUrNa hai, lekina jaba kevalajJAna ho jAe tb| tattva se zUnya hai, paryAya se pUrNa hai| paryAya arthAt saMpUrNa loka pramANa / vyavahAra paryAyoM se loka pramANa hotA hai| (pUre loka ko prakAzamAna kara sakeM, utne|) praznakartA : AtmA dravya se zUnya hai aura paryAyoM se paripUrNa hai, to use kauna sA AtmA samajhanA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha to mAne hue AtmA kI bAta hai, vyavahAra AtmA kii| to dravya ke rUpa meM, vaha mUla vastu ke rUpa meM zUnya hai, kucha bhI nahIM hai aura paryAya pUre loka ko prakAzamAna karate haiN| ve paripUrNa haiN| yaha rileTiva AtmA ke saMbaMdha meM hai| yaha rileTiva ke lie hai| riyala to zUnya bhI nahIM hai aura pUrNa bhI nahIM hai| pharka, riyala aura rileTiva AtmaparyAyoM meM praznakartA : to AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, vaha isa pratiSThita AtmA kI bAta hai yA riyala AtmA kI bAta hai ? dAdAzrI : riyala meM bhI utpanna hoMge aura pratiSThita meM bhI hoMge, sabhI meM hoNge| praznakartA : pratiSThita AtmA ke jo paryAya utpanna hote haiM aura riyala AtmA ke jo paryAya utpanna hote haiM, una donoM meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : riyala AtmA meM zuddha hote haiM aura yaha azuddha hotA hai| yaha paudgalika hai aura vaha zuddhAtmA kA, cetana kA hai, zuddha ! __ praznakartA : ataH AtmA kI jo avasthAe~ haiM, unheM Apa paryAya kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : aura kyA? vaha avasthA arthAt paryAya utpanna hote

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204 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) rahate haiM, utpanna hote haiM, vilaya hote haiN| yaha abhI dekhA, AtmAzakti se dekhA, dRSTA banA, phira jaba dRzya badala jAe taba phira vApasa vilaya ho jAtA hai aura vApasa nayA utpanna hotA hai| aisA saba niraMtara hotA hI rahatA hai n| praznakartA : lekina vaha to paryAya haA na! use avasthA kaheMge yA paryAya kaheMge? vaha to AtmA kA sIdhA paryAya huA na? pahale avasthA AtI hai usake bAda paryAya utpanna hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : avasthA hI paryAya hai| vaha niraMtara rahatA hI hai| koI bhI tattva paryAya sahita hI hotA hai| varnA vaha tattva kahalAegA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : lekina yoM vaijJAnika prakAra se dekheM to pudgala ke jo paryAya haiM aura AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, una donoM meM bahuta pharka hai| una donoM kI tulanA nahIM kI jA sktii| dAdAzrI : yaha cetana hai aura vaha jar3a hai| praznakartA : aba jar3a ke jo paryAya haiM, unakI tulanA meM isa cetana ke jo paryAya haiM, ve kisa prakAra se jAte hoMge aura kisa prakAra se unakA asara hotA hogA? dAdAzrI : koI bhI asara nahIM hotaa| ve dRzya ke rUpa meM haiM aura ye dRSTA ke rUpa meM haiM, eka hI taraha ke| ve jJeya ke rUpa meM haiM aura ye jJAtA ke rUpa meM haiN| philma meM jar3a cIjeM AtI haiM aura dekhane vAlA cetana hai| vastu to eka hI hai aura donoM kA sparza eka hI prakAra kA hai ! yadi AtmA ke paryAya nahIM badaleMge to 'vaha' jJAtA-dRSTA kaise banegA? dRzya badalate rahate haiM isalie phira AtmA ke paryAya bhI badalate haiN| praznakartA : AtmA ke paryAya aura avasthA, kyA ye donoM eka hI kahe jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : saba eka hI haiN| avasthA arthAt usameM parivartana huaa| vaha jo dRzya dekhA, usameM dRSTA badalatA rahegA, arthAt AtmA kA dekhanApana

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 205 badalatA rhegaa| udhara yadi dUsarA dRzya A jAe to AtmA dUsarA dRzya dekhegaa| jJeya bhI badalate jAte haiM aura jJAtA bhI badalate jAte haiN| praznakartA : to kyA AtmA ke paryAya ko avasthA kahA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : avasthA zabda hai hI nahIM, ye saba to paryAya haiM lekina Apako yaha paryAya zabda samajha meM nahIM AegA, isalie avasthA zabda bolanA par3atA hai| praznakartA : to kyA avasthA zabda hI galata hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! Apako samajhAne ke lie avasthA kahanA par3atA hai, moTI bhASA meN| Apako paryAya samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| paryAya to, maiM Apako batA rahA hU~ phira bhI samajha meM nahIM A rhaa| vaha to bahuta hI gaharI cIz2a hai, bahuta sUkSma bAta hai| praznakartA : aba thor3A-bahuta samajhAie na daadaa| tAki hameM samajha meM aae| dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha bAta buddhi meM nahIM utara sktii| isalie hama Apase kahate haiM na ki Apako buddhi se jitanA samajha meM Ae utanA smjho| praznakartA : lekina kyA AtmA ke paryAya hI nija avasthA kahalAte haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! sirpha paryAya kahA~ se nija avasthA huI? vaha to, jaba guNa, dravya aura paryAya, tInoM sAtha meM hoM, usI ko nija avasthA kheNge| sAtha meM nahIM hoMge to vaha tattva kahalAegA hI nhiiN| hara eka tattva meM tInoM guNa sAtha meM hote haiN| jar3a tattva meM, cetana tattva meM, sabhI meM hote haiM, varnA vaha tattva kahalAegA hI nhiiN| arthAt hara eka tattva vyavahAra se vinAzI hai aura nizcaya se sabhI avinAzI haiN| ye bahuta hI sUkSma bAteM haiM, bahuta gahare utarane ke bajAya to hameM

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206 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdA ne jo kahA hai, vaisA jJAtA-dRSTA rahanA hai abhii| jJAtA-dRSTA kisameM rahoge? to kahatA hai ki 'caMdUbhAI kA jo cala rahA hai, use dekhate rahanA hai'| ise bArIka kAtane gae to kho jAoge isalie yaha jo moTA sikhAyA hai, yahI tarIkA acchA hai| jJAtA-dRSTA! jJeya AyA ki jJAtA A jAtA hai| dRzya AyA ki dRSTA A jAtA hai| jJeya aura dRzya aneka hote haiN| jJeya aura dRzya badalate hI rahate haiM, bAra-bAra / dharmAstikAya arthAt gatisahAyaka tattva bhI badalatA rahatA hai, bAkI sabhI sanAtana tattva badalate rahate haiN| hara eka tattva parivartita hotA rahatA hai| buddhi se agara isameM gahare utarane jAegA to vikalpa meM ghusa jAegA aura phira balki bigar3a jAegA, dAg2a par3a jaaegaa| usake bajAya AjJA meM rho| praznakartA : ThIka hai| vaha bAta sahI hai| dAdAzrI : arjuna ko jo jJAna prApta huA thA, maiMne Apako vahI jJAna diyA hai| kSAyaka samakita ! isIlie AtmA para yaha jo pratIti baiThI hai, vaha haTatI hI nahIM hai| hamArI AjJA kA pAlana karane se pratIti rhegii| phira usameM se vijJAna utpanna hogA aura usase mukti hogI, isa taraha saba sAtha meM hI hotA rhegaa| alaga haiM donoM ke paryAya, saMgadoSa aura ebsalyUTa ke praznakartA : pahalA jo paryAya khar3A huA aura hamane dekhA, karmaphala rUpI jo paryAya hotA hai, to ve karma kaba baMdhe the? dAdAzrI : karma kA savAla hI kahA~ hai ? paryAya karma nahIM haiN| iTarnala vastu kise kahate haiM? koI bhI vastu yadi iTarnala hai to usameM guNa hone hI caahie| guNa paramAnenTa haiM aura paryAya vinAzI haiN| isa prakAra se yaha jagat banA hai| praznakartA : kyA usI ke lie ina logoM ne ebsalyUTa zabda kA upayoga kiyA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha ebsalyUTa vastu alaga hai aura jo ebsalyUTa hai na, vaha paryAya sahita hai lekina phira usake paryAya bhI alaga hote haiN| ye

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(2.1) paribhASA, dravya-guNa-paryAya kI 207 paryAya alaga haiN| ye saMgadoSa paryAya haiN| anAtmA ke saMgadoSa kI vajaha se to ye paryAya haiN| isa saMga se alaga hone ke bAda meM ve paryAya sApha, kliyara rheNge| aba aisA kahate haiM ki kisa AdhAra para yaha saba cala rahA hai? to niyati ke AdhAra pr| yaha pravAha kI taraha baha rahA hai aura anAdi se yaha pravAha baha rahA hai| aba isameM buddhi kaise calegI? AtmAe~ anaMta haiM aura pudgala arthAt paramANu bhI anaMta haiM aura yoM samasaraNa meM haiN| yAnI ki donoM sAtha meM hue isalie saMgadoSa laga gayA hai| usa saMgadoSa se yaha utpanna huA hai, taba saMga to hai| jaba se haiM taba se saMgadoSa hai| ataH isa iTarnala kI zaruAta nahIM hai| praznakartA : Apane abhI-abhI kahA ki utpanna huA hai ? dAdAzrI : zabda to bolanA par3atA hai Apako samajhAne ke lie ki 'bhAI, Apako jo dikhAI detA hai, vaha kisa AdhAra para hai?' hama kahate haiM ki sUrya subaha ugatA hai| vahA~ para kahate haiM, 'ugA' aura yahA~ para kahate haiM, 'asta ho gayA', iz2a deTa phaikTa? praznakartA : nahIM, vaisA to dikhAI detA hai| dAdAzrI : terI samajha se dikhAI detA hai yA nahIM? aisA hI hai yh| hameM sabakucha dikhAI detA hai ki aisA kucha hai nhiiN| vahA~ para use yahI dikhAI detA hai ki sUrya ugA aura asta ho gyaa| yAnI ki logoM ke lie vaha ThIka hai, use jaisA dikhAI detA hai vaisA hI kahatA hai| kyA sUrya ko vaisA hI dikhAI detA hogA? sUrya ko kyA dikhAI detA hogA? praznakartA : sUrya kI jagaha para jAkara dekhA jAe to vaha ugA bhI nahIM hai aura asta bhI nahIM huA hai| aisA javAba AegA na? dAdAzrI : haM / ugA bhI nahIM hai aura asta bhI nahIM huA hai| kaI cIjeM aisI haiM ki jo khuda kI dRSTi se bAhara kI haiM, isa buddhi se bAhara kI haiN|

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208 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : arthAt biginiMgalesa hai, enddles| (zuruAta nahIM hai aura aMtahIna) ye do vAkya haiM ? dAdAzrI : enDalesa! basa! lekina yaha bAta samajhane jaisI hai| praznakartA : nahIM! mujhe to isa anaMtI ke niyama kA samAdhAna caahie| dAdAzrI : sabhI niyamoM kA samAdhAna hai lekina niyamoM kA samAdhAna sahI tarIke se samajhakara honA caahie| jaisA isa sUrya ke bAre meM hotA hai| loga kahate haiM, ugA aura asta ho gyaa| __ AtmA meM aise guNa haiM, anAtmA meM bhI aise guNa haiN| utpanna honA, vinAza honA lekina dhruvatA nahIM chor3anI hai| kAla tattva meM bhI aise guNa haiN| yaha jo kAla tattva hai na, 'utpanna honA, vinAza honA lekina dhruvatA nahIM chor3atA hai'| AkAza meM bhI aise guNa haiM / AkAza meM bhI utpanna honA, vinAza honA lekina dhruvatA nahIM chor3atA hai|

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[2] guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita bheda, buddhi se dekhane meM aura prajJA se dekhane meM praznakartA : maiM jJAtA-dRSTA banakara dekhane kA prayatna karatA hU~ lekina usa kSaNa bhI aisA lagatA hai ki buddhi dekha rahI hai| dAdAzrI : ye sahI kaha rahe haiN| buddhi hI dekhatI hai, (riyala) jJAtA-draSTA to vahA~ se zurU hotA hai, jahA~ para buddhi bhI nahIM pahu~ca sktii| ina sabhI jJeya cIz2oM kA jJAtA-dRSTA 'maiM' nahIM lagatA, paraMtu yaha buddhi lagatI hai lekina isa buddhi kA jJAtA-dRSTA kauna hai ? aatmaa| jaba 'aisA lagatA hai' taba kahA jAegA ki dRSTA kI taraha dekhA aura jaba 'jAnate haiM' taba jJAtA kI taraha jaanaa| praznakartA : arthAt kyA aisA hai ki isa pUre dina kI jo dekhane kI prakriyA thI to use dekhane vAlA jo hai, use bhI dekhane vAlA koI aura hai ? to prathama dekhane vAlA kauna hai ? dAdAzrI : use upAdAna kaho, buddhi kaho yA ahaMkAra kaho, aura use bhI jo dekhatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| jAnane vAle ko bhI jAnatA hai| praznakartA : to isameM prajJA kahA~ para AI? dAdAzrI : vahI prajJA hai na! mUla AtmA to mUla AtmA hI hai| praznakartA : usa DimArkezana kA kaise patA calegA ki yaha dekhanAjAnanA' buddhi dvArA hai yA 'khuda ke' dvArA? dAdAzrI : buddhi kA dekhanA-jAnanA to yoM jo A~khoM se dikhAI

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210 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) detA hai, vahI hai athavA kAna se jo sunAI detA hai vaha, jIbha se cakha sakate haiM vaha, vaha sArI buddhi hai| praznakartA : yaha to indriyoM kA huA lekina aMdara bhI saba calatA rahatA hai na! buddhi dekhatI hai ki ye pakSapAtI haiM, aise haiM, vaise haiM, vaha saba buddhi hI dekhatI hai na? dAdAzrI : jo aisA saba dekhatI hai, vaha buddhi hI hai| AtmA kA jJAna-darzana to hai dekhanA aura jAnanA, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| jo dravyoM ko dekhatA va jAnatA hai, dravya ke guNoM ko jAnatA hai, usake paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai, una saba ko dekhatA aura jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| yA phira jo mana ke sabhI paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai| buddhi to mana ke paryAyoM ko kucha hada taka hI jAna sakatI hai jabaki AtmA mana ke sabhI paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai| buddhi ko jAnatA hai, paristhitiyoM ko jAnatA hai, ahaMkAra ke paryAyoM ko jAnatA hai, sabhI kucha jAnatA hai| jahA~ para buddhi nahIM pahu~ca sakatI vahA~ para usakA (AtmA kA) zurU hotA hai| praznakartA : aura jo caMdUbhAI ko dekhatI hai, kyA vaha buddhi hai? dAdAzrI : use buddhi dekhatI hai aura buddhi ko jo dekhatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| buddhi kyA kara rahI hai, mana kyA kara rahA hai, ahaMkAra kyA kara rahA hai, jo ina sabhI ko jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| AtmA se Age paramAtmA pada hai| jo zuddhAtmA bana gayA, vaha paramAtmA kI tarapha jAne lagegA aura jo paramAtmA bana gayA use kevalajJAna ho jaaegaa| yA phira jise kevalajJAna huA vaha bana gayA prmaatmaa| pUrNa ho gayA, nirvANa pada ke lAyaka ho gyaa| ataH dekhane-jAnane kA upayoga rakhanA cAhie, pUre din| praznakartA : jo isa pudgala kI sabhI cIz2oM ko dekhatA hai aura dekhane kI sabhI jo kriyAe~ haiM, ve buddhi kriyA haiM yA jJAna kriyA haiM ? dAdAzrI : yoM to vaha prajJA ke bhAga meM hI AtA hai na! ahaMkAra aura buddhi kI kriyA se kucha samajha meM AtA hai varnA prajJA ke binA samajha meM nahIM A sktaa|

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 211 praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM ki 'jaba hama jJAna dete haiM taba AtmA aura deha ko alaga kara dete haiM, to ina donoM ko alaga karane vAle ko kauna dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : do cIjeM haiM jo dekhatI haiN| eka to prajJA hai aura prajJA kA kAma khatma ho jAne ke bAda phira AtmA hai| AtmA jJAyaka ke rUpa meM rahatA hai| prajJA se lekara AtmA taka 'dekhane vAlA' hai| prajJA kA kAma khatma hone para AtmA khuda jJAyaka bana jAtA hai| praznakartA : arthAt yaha jo AtmA kA dekhanA va jAnanA kahA hai, to vaha dravyoM ko jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : haM! praznakartA : vaha dravyoM ko, dravyoM ke guNadharmoM ko aura dravyoM ke paryAyoM ko kisa prakAra se jAnatA hai, usameM kyA-kyA dekha sakatA hai? usakA ekz2ekTa udAharaNa dIjie na ! dAdAzrI : 'ye kisake guNadharma haiM', aisA saba jAnatA hai| pudgala ke guNadharma haiM yA cetana ke guNadharma haiN| phira anya sabhI guNadharmoM ko bhI jAnatA hai| AkAza ke guNadharma kyA haiM, aisA saba bhI jAnatA hai| phira kAla ke kyA guNadharma haiM, unheM bhI jAnatA hai| pharka, prajJA aura paryAya meM praznakartA : AtmA kA paryAya yAnI ki koI aisA udAharaNa dekara batAie tAki samajha meM Ae ki ise AtmA kA paryAya kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : Apa caMdUbhAI kI bhUla dekha lete ho na! kyA vaha bhUla phira se dikhAI detI hai? praznakartA : nahIM! vaha phira nahIM dikhAI detii| dAdAzrI : phira se nahIM dikhAI detI isalie usI ko paryAya kahate haiN| jo hamezA AtmA ke sAtha rahatA hai, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai, guNa

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) kahalAtA hai aura jo avasthA taka hI sImita hai, kSaNika vaha paryAya kahalAtA hai| jo jJAna khuda ke doSa dikhAtA hai, vaha jJAna nahIM balki jJAna kA paryAya hai| praznakartA : yaha jo prajJA hai, kyA use paryAya kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : nahIM ! prajJA to alaga hI cIz2a hai / vaha paryAya nahIM hai / paryAya to kise kahate haiM ki jo Akara turaMta hI calA jAe, avasthA bilkula choTI (kama samaya ke lie) hotI hai / 212 AtmA to jJAna svarUpa hai lekina usakA prakAza utpanna hotA hai / usameM jo dikhAI detA hai, ve saba avasthAe~ haiM / yaha dekhA, vaha dekhA, saba dekhatA rahatA hai lekina use dekhane ke bAda eka khatma hotA hai, phira dUsarA dekhatA hai, tIsarA dekhatA hai / ve avasthAe~ kaisI hotI haiM ? utpanna hotI haiM, kucha samaya taka TikatI haiM, (Tikane kA matalaba dhruva nahIM hai kyoMki jaba avasthA TikatI hai taba usameM sUkSma rUpa se parivartana to cala hI rahA hotA hai / ) aura vApasa laya ho jAtI haiM / utpanna hotI haiM, kucha samaya taka TikatI haiM aura laya ho jAtI haiM / aura jaba laya hotI hai taba phira dUsarI avasthA utpanna hotI hai| aisA niraMtara calatA hI rahegA, pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) meM bhI aisA hI hai| pudgala ke sabhI paryAya Apako dikhAI dete haiM lekina AtmA ke paryAya Apako bahuta jaldI samajha meM nahIM aaeNge| abhI (vibhAvika) AtmA bAhara yaha saba jo dekhatA hai, ve sabhI paryAya haiN| usake guNa zAzvata hote haiM, paryAya TemparerI hote haiM / praznakartA : lekina AtmA ke to aneka paryAya hote haiM, asaMkhya paryAya hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke asaMkhya nahIM, anaMta paryAya hote haiN| unheM ginA hI nahIM jA sakatA na ! paryAya ke binA, nahIM hai Atma astitva praznakartA : lekina AtmA ke khuda ke jo paryAya haiM, ve kucha alaga hote haiM yA phira isa pudgala ke sAtha meM hI ho sakate haiM ?

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 213 dAdAzrI : (AtmA ke) svabhAva ke sAtha haiN| praznakartA : hA~, lekina usa AtmA ke paryAya kA koI udAharaNa dIjie to kucha samajha meM Ae ki yaha AtmA kA paryAya hai| dAdAzrI : yaha jo paryAya zabda AtA hai na, to abhI bhI ye svabhAva ke paryAya nahIM haiM, ye vibhAva ke paryAya haiN| praznakartA : lekina svabhAva ke paryAya kaise hote haiM? dAdAzrI : svabhAva ke paryAya zuddha hI hote haiN| praznakartA : hA~, lekina unameM koI vividhatA hotI hai yA ve eka hI prakAra ke hote haiM? dAdAzrI : unameM vikalpa bhAva hai hI nahIM na! unameM ve mAnyatAe~ nahIM haiM na! svAbhAvika rUpa se rahate hI haiN| jabaki ye saba to mAnyatAe~ haiN| viklp| sNklp-viklp| (yaha saba vibhAva ke paryAya meM hotA hai|) praznakartA : pudgala paryAya to samajha meM AtA hai lekina AtmA ke paryAya kaise hote haiM? vaha udAharaNa dekara smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : sUrya kA jo teja hai, prakAza nAmaka jo guNa hai, vaha usakA guNa kahalAtA hai| jo kiraNeM haiM, ve paryAya haiN| usakA guNa hamezA ke lie rahatA hai aura jo paryAya haiM, ve phira khatma bhI ho jAte haiN| paryAya vinAzI haiN| praznakartA : lekina isameM to ujAle kI kiraNeM hotI haiM, to AtmA meM jJAna-darzana ke paryAya kaise hote haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha jo jJAna hai, vaha prakAza hai aura jJAna dvArA jAnanA, vaha paryAya hai| dekhanA-jAnanA, ve saba paryAya haiN| jo mUla svabhAva hai, vaha zAzvata hai jabaki paryAya to badalate rahate haiN| jo dekhanA va jAnanA badalatA rahatA hai, use paryAya kahate haiN| praznakartA : lekina jisa jJeya ko dekhanA aura jAnanA hai, vaha jJeya to paudgalika hai, to usameM isakA paryAya kahA~ para mAnA jAegA?

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214 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : lekina ve jJAna ke paryAya haiN| jJAna ke paryAyoM dvArA 'Apa' jJeya ko jAna sakate ho| phira una paryAyoM kA nAza ho jAtA hai aura jo jJAna hai, vaha hamezA ke lie rahatA hai| vaha guNa hai AtmA kaa| jJAna aura darzana, ye donoM zAzvata (paramAnenTa) guNa haiN| kitane hI aise anya guNa haiM, jo zAzvata haiN| praznakartA : isa pudgala ko lakSya meM rakhakara jo paryAya utpanna hote haiM, vaha to samajha meM AyA lekina kyA AtmA ke khuda ke svataMtra paryAya bhI haiM jo ki kahIM bhI pudgala ke sAtha saMbaMdha meM nahIM Ate? dAdAzrI : AtmA svataMtra paryAya ke binA ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : pudgala nahIM hogA to AtmA ke paryAya bhI nahIM hoMge na? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke guNa aura paryAya to haiM hI varnA AtmA hI nahIM hogaa| phira to yaha mAnyatA hI roMga hai| kahA~ likhA huA hai aisA? aisA to prazna hI nahIM honA caahie| pudgagala nahIM hogA matalaba? pudgagala nahIM hogA to kucha dUsarA hogA, tIsarA hogA lekina yaha jo dekhane-jAnane kI kriyA hai, guNa hai, usakA upayoga hue binA rahegA hI nhiiN| niraMtara calatA rahatA hai| siddha kSetra meM bhI usakA niraMtara upayoga hotA rahatA hai, caubIsoM ghNtte| usa AtmA kI zraddhA rakhI to kAma kI hai varnA yadi hama aisA samajheM ki AtmA meM paryAya nahIM hai to vaha zraddhA galata hai| AtmA dravya, guNa aura paryAya sahita hI hai| praznakartA : to siddha kSetra meM bhI paryAya haiM? dAdAzrI : sabhI jagaha para haiM pryaay| jahA~ para AtmA hai vahA~ para guNa aura paryAya, ina donoM sahita hotA hai| praznakartA : jahA~ pudgala ke sAtha kahIM para bhI saMbaMdha nahIM hai, AtmA ke aise svataMtra paryAya kauna se haiM ? dAdAzrI : haiM, sabhI paryAya hI haiM na! praznakartA : udAharaNa diyA jA sakatA hai?

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 215 dAdAzrI : sabhI udAharaNa haiM na! jo paryAya haiM, ve pudgala ko dekhe bagaira rahate hI nhiiN| pudgala ke alAvA anya cIz2oM ko bhI dekha sakatA hai| aura vastu khuda ke paryAyoM ke binA ho hI nahIM sktii| aisA nahIM kahanA cAhie ki AtmA ke svataMtra paryAya nahIM ho skte| yadi AtmA ke paryAya nahIM hoMge to AtmA hI calA jaaegaa| phira khatma ho jaaegaa| sirpha pudgala hI kAma nahIM karatA, bahuta sArI cIjeM haiM vahA~ pr| lekina abhI to yadi sirpha eka pudgala ko hI dekhoge to bAkI kI bahuta sArI cIz2oM ko dekha paaoge| jisakA mukhya guNa hI dekhane-jAnane kA hai aura usakA kAma hI hai, dekhane aura jAnane kaa| nirNtr| pUre dina / ataH paryAya to pUre dina rahate hI haiN| do-do prakAra haiM, dRSTA aura dRzya ke cAra bhAga haiM - do bhAga dRSTA aura do bhAga dRzya / * praznakartA : dAdA, usa dRSTA ke do bhAga kauna se haiM aura dRzya ke do bhAga kauna se haiM? dAdAzrI : dRSTA mUla svarUpa se rahatA hai, dRSTA svarUpa se vItarAga aura dUsarA dRSTA hai 'maiN'| jo buddhi hai, vaha 'ise' dekhatI hai (pratiSThita AtmA ke kAryoM ko)| pahalA dRzya pratiSThita AtmA hai aura dUsarA dRzya hai usake kaary| do prakAra ke dRzya aura do prakAra ke dRSTA! do prakAra ke jJAtA haiM aura do prakAra ke jJeya! arthAt AtmA (prajJA, zuddhAtmA) aura AtmA (vibhAvika AtmA, vibhAvika 'maiM') ke paryAya (vaha buddhi hai)| aura yaha pratiSThita AtmA aura usake paryAya, ye donoM jJeya haiN| bhagavAna (mUla dravya) meM kucha bhI nahIM hotA, paryAya meM dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : dAdA! Apane jo do dRSTA ke bAre meM kahA hai, unameM se jo daraasala AtmA hai, vaha mUla dRSTA hai ? dAdAzrI : shuddhaatmaa| * adhika satsaMga ke lie AptavANI-13 (pU), ce.-7, dekhane vAlA-jAnane vAlA aura use bhI jAnane vaalaa|

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216 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : zuddhAtmA aura jo dUsarA dRSTA hai vaha, AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, ve haiM na? dAdAzrI : ve jo (vibhAvika AtmA ke) paryAya utpanna hote haiM, ve| AtmA ke jo paryAya haiM, ve kisake paryAyoM ko dekhate haiM? yaha mUla AtmA pratiSThita AtmA ke sabhI paryAyoM ko nahIM dekhtaa| use isakI par3I bhI nahIM hai| vItarAga hai! praznakartA : vaha vItarAga hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| vItarAga to ye (AtmA ke paryAya) bhI haiM, jo yaha jAnate haiM ki yaha rAga hai' aura 'yaha dveSa hai jabaki 'bhagavAna' (mUla AtmA) khuda vItarAga rahate haiN| unheM isameM koI rAga bhI nahIM hai aura dveSa bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : pahalA dRSTA, vaha daraasala AtmA hai, vaha kyA dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : ve to vItarAgatA ko hI dekhate haiN| ve rAga-dveSa ko kaise dekha sakate haiM ? unameM rAga-dveSa nahIM haiM, kucha bhI nahIM hai| ve to jo kucha bhI udaya ke adhIna hai, usI ko dekhA karate haiN| unake lie acchA-burA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to ve saba ko tattva ke rUpa meM dekhate rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : tattva ke rUpa meM dekhate haiM aura atattva ko bhI dekhate haiN| praznakartA : atattva ko bhI dekhate haiM ? dAdAzrI : donoM ko hI dekhate haiM, lekina vItarAga / praznakartA : aura dUsare dRSTA kauna haiM ? dAdAzrI : ve usake paryAya haiN| praznakartA : mUla AtmA ke paryAya bhI dRSTA ke rUpa meM hI rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : dRSTA ke rUpa meM rahate haiM, vItarAga bhI haiM lekina jaba taka aisA jAnate haiM ki 'yaha burA hai aura yaha acchA hai', taba taka ve

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 217 buddhi ke paryAya kahalAte haiN| (jJAna lene ke bAda ahaMkAra nahIM rahatA isalie jaba buddhi dekhatI hai taba usameM ahaMkAra nahIM hone kI vajaha se rAga-dveSa nahIM hote|) mUla AtmA ke paryAya bhI zuddha haiN| mUla AtmA kA jJAna zuddha hai, usake paryAya zuddha haiM aura yaha (vibhAvika AtmA kA) (jJAnI pada meM) jJAna zuddha hai, paryAya zuddha nahIM haiN| praznakartA : jJAna zuddha hai aura paryAya zuddha nahIM haiM, isake bAvajUda bhI vaha dekhatA aura jAnatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, ina dAdA meM jo hai, vaisI viitraagtaa| paryAya meM bhI unheM rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| phira bhI aisA jAnate haiM ki 'yaha acchA hai aura yaha burA hai'| usase nIce vAle bhAga meM buddhi jaisA pada hai, jise paudgalika mAnA jAtA hai| usameM se rAga-dveSa bhI hote haiN| (kyoMki vaha buddhi jo dekhatI aura jAnatI hai, usameM ahaMkAra ke ekAkAra rahane se rAga-dveSa hote haiM) aura yaha dRzya kyA hai ? usake to cAra bhAga karanA acchA hai| eka dRSTA, dUsarA dRSTA, tIsarA dRzya aura cauthA dRshy|| praznakartA : phira dUsarA jJeya aura dUsare jJAtA, aura pahalA jJAtA aura pahalA jJeya bhI kahA hai na? / dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAtA aura dRSTA, ve donoM sAtha meM haiN| praznakartA : arthAt do prakAra se jJAtA aura dRSTA haiM, do prakAra se dRzya aura do prakAra se jnyey| dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| jaba jJeya ko lekara zuddhatA A jAtI hai (jaba jJeya meM tanmayAkArapanA chUTa jAtA hai, jJeya se chUTatA hai, vItarAgatA se jJeyoM kA jJAtA rahatA hai taba jJeyoM se khuda kI zuddhatA AtI-jAtI hai), isalie vApasa mUla svarUpa meM A jAtA hai| praznakartA : yaha bAta z2arA phira se khie| dAdAzrI : jJeya se zuddhatA A jAtI hai isalie 'khuda' pUrA hI zuddha ho jAtA hai, paryAya aura jJeya se| socakara dekhanA, yaha bahuta sUkSma bAta hai|

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218 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : eka bAra aisI bAta nikalI thI ki do prakAra ke jJeya avasthA ke rUpa meM haiM aura eka prakAra kA jJeya tattva ke svarUpa meM hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to hamane hisAba lagAkara dekha liyaa| bAkI yoM to do aura do cAra mAne jaaeNge| AtmA kA jJAna, usakA svabhAva nahIM bigar3atA hai| jJAna vItarAga hI hotA hai| sirpha paryAya hI bigar3ate haiN| kyoMki yaha jo jJAna hai, vaha paramAnenTa hai, avinAzI hai aura jo paryAya haiM, ve avasthAe~ haiM, ve vinAzI haiN| jo avasthA vAlA jJAna hai, use buddhi kahate haiM, vaha bhI vinAzI hai| usa vinAzI meM yaha saba dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA : aba, Apane aisA kahA hai ki pahalA dRzya pratiSThita AtmA hai aura dUsarA dRzya hai pratiSThita AtmA kI kriyAe~, to yadi use zuddha dikhAI detA hai, usa zuddha dikhAI dene meM... dAdAzrI : donoM, donoN| praznakartA : ye donoM dikhAI dete haiM ? pratiSThita AtmA aura usakI kriyAe~ ? do dRSTA kahA gayA hai aura do dRzya kahA gayA hai| to kyA aisA kahA ki dRSTA pahale pratiSThita AtmA ko dekhatA hai? dAdAzrI : kauna sA AtmA? praznakartA : pahalA dRSTA pratiSThita AtmA ko dekhatA hai isalie pratiSThita AtmA pahalA dRzya hai| aura pratiSThita AtmA kI kriyAe~, ve dUsarA dRzya haiM aura dUsare dRzya ko dUsarA dRSTA arthAt paryAya dekhate haiM ? dAdAzrI : haaN| aura pahalA dRSTA pratiSThita AtmA ko dekhatA hai| praznakartA : to zuddha dazA utpanna ho jAe taba use donoM dRzya hoMge? dAdAzrI : eka hI dRzya rhegaa| praznakartA : kauna sA? dAdAzrI : zuddha hii| zuddha aura avinaashii| zuddha vinAzI nahIM hotaa|

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 219 zuddha to hamezA avinAzI hI hotA hai| ataH zuddha va aisI saba avinAzI cIz2oM ko dekhatA hai, chaH tattvoM ko| vibhAvika AtmA paryAya ke rUpa meM vinAzI hai aura jJAna ke rUpa meM avinAzI hai| kevalajJAna ke bAda vibhAvika paryAya nahIM rhte| paryAya ke rUpa meM 'khada' vinAzI hai aura jJAna ke rUpa meM avinAzI hai| kevalajJAna ke bAda khuda' paryAya rUpI nahIM rhtaa| kyA Apako thor3Abahuta samajha meM A rahA hai? praznakartA : dAdA, kucha-kucha samajha meM A rahA hai| dAdAzrI : mujhe yaha kahanA nahIM A rahA hai| praznakartA : lekina nahIM dAdA, aba abhI Apa kaSTa na kreN| dAdAzrI : hA~! usameM koI harja nahIM hai lekina pUrI taraha se spaSTa to ho jAnA caahie| jo bAteM nikalI haiM, phira kabhI aisI bAteM nahIM nikleNgii| AtmA ko vinAzI nahIM kaha sakate na! aura usake paryAya vinAzI haiM isalie ve buddhi meM Ate haiN| use buddhi mAnA gayA hai| aura vaha buddhi jisase yaha saba dikhAI detA hai, vaha buddhi kahA~ se utpanna huI? to kahate haiM (vibhAvika) AtmA ke paryAyoM meM se nikalI hai| buddhi vinAzI hai, aura koI bhI vinAzI mUla svarUpa meM nahIM hai| vaha to jaba paryAya meM Apako zuddha dikhAI dene lagegA, taba aisA kahA jAegA ki vaha mUla zuddhAtmA bana gyaa| paryAya meM kaisA dikhAI denA cAhie? praznakartA : zuddha dikhAI denA cAhie lekina jaba vaha zuddha dikhAI detA hai, usa samaya aisA bhI dekha sakatA hai na ki 'yaha acchA hai aura yaha burA'? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : nahIM? taba taka azuddha kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha jo kahA hai na, usameM 'hamArI' (jJAnI pada) jitanI kamI hai, utane hI 'mere' paryAya bigar3e hue haiN| utane paryAya zuddha ho jAe~

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220 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) to hamAre jJAna ke paryAya ekadama sApha ho jaaeNge| kyA yaha samajha meM nahIM A rahA? kyA parezAnI hai? bahuta sUkSma bAta hai yh| aisI bAta hI nahIM karanI caahie| yaha sAmAnya bAta nahIM hai| yaha bAta to sirpha hamAre jAnane ke lie hI hai| hama jAnate haiM ki itane taka azuddha haiN| praznakartA : Apane kahA na ki jJAna ke itane paryAya azuddha haiM, to vaha kisa AdhAra para? yAnI kauna sI azuddhatA hai unameM? dAdAzrI : abhI hamArI dazA saMpUrNa nahIM huI hai, saMpUrNa viitraag| paryAya bhI vItarAga hone cAhie aura jJAna bhI vItarAga honA caahie| praznakartA : paryAya meM vItarAgatA kaba AtI hai ? dAdAzrI : jaba zuddha ho jAtA hai tb| jaba sabhI karmoM kA nikAla (nipaTArA) ho jAtA hai aura phira ve karma bhI kisa prakAra ke? aMdara se zuddha hone ke bahuta samaya bAda bAhara se zuddha hotA hai| hama kahate haiM na ki 'hama' AtmA ko lekara saMpUrNa zuddha haiM, jJAna ko lekara saMpUrNa zuddha haiM, paryAyoM ko lekara 'hama' azuddha haiN| praznakartA : to kyA aisA hotA hai ki jaba usa karma kA udaya AegA taba zuddhatA pariNAmita hogI? taba taka vaha bailensa meM par3A rahegA, penDiMga rahegA? dAdAzrI : hA~! jaba taka par3e raheMge taba taka nahIM hogaa| vaha (bharA huA mAla) bAhara nikala jAegA na, usake bAda paryAya zuddha ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : aura kyA hamAre dekhane se ve paryAya zuddha ho jAe~ge? dAdAzrI : hA~! phira usake bAda zuddha hI rahate haiN| anya kucha nahIM dikhAI degaa| azuddhi nahIM dikhAI degii| paryAya meM caMcalatA kA nAza ho jaaegaa| kucha samajha meM A rahA hai? aise karate-karate paryAyoM kA svarUpa alaga ho jAegA (zuddha ho jAegA), aba AtmA kA svarUpa kitanA hai? vaha jJAna aura pryaay|

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 221 praznakartA : AtmA kA svarUpa hai jJAna aura paryAya ? dAdAzrI : basa ! praznakartA : kyA use AtmA kA svarUpa mAnA jAegA ? dAdAzrI : jJAna kA svabhAva hamezA isI prakAra se rahane kA hai aura paryAyoM kA svabhAva hai, jaisA dRzya dikhAI detA hai vaisA hI dekhatA hai| praznakartA : avasthA rUpI hotA hai ? avasthA ke rUpa ko dekhanA, kyA vahI paryAyoM kA kAma hai ? dAdAzrI : avasthA svarUpa ko dekhatA hai / jitane bhAga meM jJAna para AvaraNa rahatA hai utane hisse meM paryAya se bhI dekhatA hai / jaba khuda jJAna meM dekhatA hai taba pUrA kevalajJAna svarUpa hI dikhAI detA hai| praznakartA: jJAna para jitanA AvaraNa hotA hai, utane hisse meM vaha paryAya ke rUpa meM dekhatA hai, vaha z2arA phira se batAie / dAdAzrI : kevalajJAna paryAya rUpI nahIM hotA / 'jJAna' ko to AtmA kA guNa kahA hai, saMsAra ke lie, saMsAra ke svabhAva ke lie / AtmA kA mUla guNa vijJAna taka jA sakatA hai kyoMki AtmA, jo ki avinAzI hai, usameM vinAzI pada hai hI nahIM / samajha meM AyA ? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : yaha 'jJAna' kise denA hai ? to kahate haiM 'paryAyI logoM ke lie yaha jJAna denA hai'| bAkI, mUla svarUpa se to kevalajJAna hI hai / dravya, guNa, paryAyoM se ekatA, jisameM ina tInoM kA zuddhikaraNa ho gayA, vaha bana gayA pUrNa zuddhAtmA lekina isa kAla ke kAraNa pUrNa kevalajJAna nahIM ho paataa| mujhe hI 356 DigrI para Akara ruka gayA hai na! buddhi jar3a hai yA cetana ? sabhI dharma vAloM ne buddhi ko jar3a kahA hai aura jaina dharma ne

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222 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) cetana kahA hai| aisA kabhI sunA hai? jaina dharma ne bhI buddhi ko cetana kahA hai, aisA? praznakartA : buddhi ko matijJAna meM rakha diyA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna meM ho hI nahIM sakatI na! praznakartA : matijJAna rUpI kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : buddhi arthAt ahaMkArI jJAna aura AtmA ke (vibhAvika) jo paryAya haiM, vaha ahaMkArI jJAna hai| praznakartA : AtmA ke jo vibhAvika paryAya haiM, vaha kyA ahaMkArI jJAna hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| aura svAbhAvika paryAya bhI alaga cIz2a hai, bahuta gaharI bAta hai| abhI bAta nahIM karanI caahie| yahA~ se dUsare loga isa bAta ko jAneMge aura isakA kucha na kucha matalaba nikaaleNge| zAstrakAroM ne kahA hai 'prakAza sAdhanone nirucAryA, jJAna-darzana pryaaye| dAdA ne paryAyoM ke lie manA kiyA hai, kyA bAta hai? isalie aisI bAta nahIM karate haiN| phira loga bAta ko hI le jAe~ge na! koI kaha uThegA na! aisI kitanI hI bAteM hama nahIM dete, aisI jo duniyA ke lie nukasAnadAyI haiN| vaha sirpha hameM akele ko hI samajhanA hai aura pustakoM meM, jaina zAstroM meM dekhoge taba patA calegA ki vedAMta use (buddhi ko) jar3a kahate haiM, phalAnA use jar3a kahatA hai lekina jaina zAstra use cetana kahate haiN| praznakartA : to dAdA, hama jise nizcetana cetana kahate haiM, vahI cetana hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI nizcetana cetana hai| jise nizcaya cetana kahate haiM, vaha nhiiN| nizcetana cetana kahate haiM na! vaha to jaba hama AtmA meM raheMge taba, vaha to jJAna meM aaegaa| nizcaya kI dakhala nahIM hai| nizcaya meM dakhala nahIM hai| agara nizcaya cetana kaheMge to nizcaya-buddhi kahalAegI, lekina aisA nahIM hai|

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 223 zuddha jJAna dazA meM dekhA zuddha hI aisA samajhanA hai ki ye paryAya vinAzI haiM aura jJAna avinAzI hai| paryAya vinAzI cIz2oM ko (vinAzI rUpa meM) nahIM dekha sakate / (vinAzI saMbaMdha ko sahI mAnate haiM, nitya mAnate haiM / ) jaba vinAzI ko 'vinAzI hai', aisA dekhane kI zakti A jAtI hai taba vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai / bAkI to jo hai use usI rUpa meM dekhatA hai, pudgala ko dekhatA hai / anya kucha nahIM hai| pudgala arthAt vikRta paramANu / praznakartA : pudgala (vikRta paramANu) ke rUpa meM dekhatA hai, yAnI vinAzI rUpa meM dekhatA hai, isI prakAra se huA na ? dAdAzrI : hA~, isI prakAra se / praznakartA : lekina kyA aisA hai ki usameM vizeSatA kI taraha nahIM hotA, sAmAnya bhAva se hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : mUla to zuddhAtmA hai, use aisA kucha dekhane kI par3I nahIM hai na! kevalajJAna hI hai aura vaha avinAzI hai / aura isalie kahate haiM ki jagat nirdoSa hai, vaha hamArA zuddha darzana hai / vaha zuddha jJAna meM AnA caahie| praznakartA : aura jaba zuddha jJAna meM AtA hai taba kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : sarvajJa ! phira koI dAvA karane kA rahA hI nahIM na ! praznakartA : aura jaba zuddha jJAna meM aisA AtA hai ki 'jagat nirdoSa hai', taba ye jo jJeya aura dRzya haiM, ve use kaise dikhAI dete haiM ? dAdAzrI : vaha saba to zuddha hI dikhAI detA hai use| yaha to paryAya-buddhi kI vajaha se aisA dikhAI detA hai aura phira zuddha hI hai na! zuddhatA prApta karavAe pUrNatA praznakartA : hama aisA kahate haiM ki dravya se maiM saMpUrNa zuddha hU~, sarvAMga zuddha huuN| jJAna- darzanAdi guNoM se 'maiM' saMpUrNa zuddha hU~, sarvAMga

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224 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) zuddha hU~ aura paryAya se bhI yAnI ki jJeyoM ko jAnane meM pariNAmita avasthA... to una jJeyoM yAnI paryAyoM se bhI hama saMpUrNa zuddha haiM, sarvAMga zuddha haiM ? dAdAzrI : zuddha hI haiM, paryAyoM se| praznakartA : paryAyoM se bhI zuddha haiM, aisA kahate haiM aura paryAyoM ko zuddha karanA bAkI bhI hai| ye donoM kisa prakAra se? dAdAzrI : paryAya zuddha kaba taka haiM? usake (vibhAvika AtmA, vibhAvika 'maiM' ke) zuddha hone taka (vibhAvika) paryAya rahate haiN| phira vibhAvika paryAya rahate hI nahIM lekina svAbhAvika paryAya to rahate hI haiN| praznakartA : to kyA 'khuda' ke zuddha hone taka (vibhAvika) paryAya rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~! usake bAda to jJAna hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : aura yadi paryAya zuddha ho jAe~ to 'khuda' jJAna svarUpa ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : jaba taka eka bhI paryAya bAkI rahatA hai taba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho sktaa| AtmA arthAt 'jJAna-darzana va pryaay'| jJAna-darzana va paryAya arthAt aatmaa| dravya ke rUpa meM vaha AtmA hI kahalAtA hai aura dUsarA vaha, jise sAMsArika AtmA kahA hai| kise? kyoMki mUla AtmA meM (vibhAvika) paryAya hote hI nahIM haiM na! sirpha svAbhAvika paryAya hI hote haiN| praznakartA : hA~, daraasala AtmA meM (vibhAvika) paryAya hote hI nahIM haiN| dAdAzrI : jo avinAzI hai, usameM vinAzI hai hI nhiiN| sirpha svAbhAvika (paryAya) hote haiN| praznakartA : arthAt ina saba ne jo bAta kI hai, vaha AtmA ke ina

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 225 paryAyoM kI hI bAta kI hai| daraasala AtmA kI kisI ne bAta hI nahIM kI hai na dAdA? dAdAzrI : aura kareMge bhI kaise? samajha meM nahIM A sakatA na yh| ye bar3e-bar3e jJAnI eka akSara bhI nahIM samajha sake haiN| ___ logoM ko aise vicAra hI nahIM Ate ki AtmA paramAnenTa hai aura jJAna bhI paramAnenTa hai aura usake paryAya... praznakartA : paryAya vinAzI haiN| dAdAzrI : isalie phira kahA hai ki AtmA jJAna-darzana paryAya svarUpa hai, zuddha hai, galata nahIM kahA hai| jaba taka sabhI (vibhAvika) paryAya saMpUrNa rUpa se zuddha nahIM ho jAte, tabhI taka paryAya haiN| usake bAda paryAya cale jAte haiN| jaba hamAre paryAya pUrNa ho jAe~ge taba sirpha jJAna meM hI! kevalajJAna ! basa! (vibhAvika) paryAya nahIM, sirpha kevala arthAt anya kucha bhI nhiiN| praznakartA : jJAna ke alAvA aura kucha bhI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : arthAt ye paryAya saMsAra ke saMdarbha meM die gae haiM, samajha meM AyA na? praznakartA : sAMsArika AtmA ke saMdarbha meM, aisA? dAdAzrI : useka bAda paryAyoM kI z2arUrata hI nahIM haiM na! paryAya yahIM para haiN| kevalajJAna ke (vibhAvika) paryAya nahIM hote| buddhi khatma ho jAe to paryAya khatma ho jAte haiN| 'hama' jo aisA kahate haiM na ki hamArI buddhi khatma ho cukI hai, vaisA pUrNa rUpa se nahIM hai| logoM ko samajhAne ke lie hI aisA kahate haiN| koI agara buddhi kA rauba rakhatA ho na, to usakA rauba utArane ke lie| bAkI hama meM jo cAra DigrI haiM na, utane paryAya azuddha haiM, isIlie yaha dazA hai| praznakartA : to kyA una paryAyoM ke zuddha hone ke bAda mana rahatA hai ? vANI aura zarIra rahatA hai ? zarIra to rahatA hai na?

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226 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : vaha to khuda ke svabhAva meM hai, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| aMdara jo mUla AtmA hai, vaha paryAyoM ko nahIM smjhtaa| jaba taka deha hai, tabhI taka vaha jIvita rahatA hai| lekina 'vaha' jo kevalajJAna svarUpa meM hai na, no Taca (koI sparza nahIM) jabaki yaha (ajJAna dazA meM) sau pratizata Taca (sprsh)| vaha (kevalajJAna dazA meM) no ttc| praznakartA : to no Taca sthiti meM yaha jo pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) bAkI hai, usa pudgala ke paryAyoM ko to dekhatA hai na? dAdAzrI : kevalajJAna to sabakucha dekhatA hai lekina rAga-dveSa nahIM hote| unheM vItarAgatA se dekhatA hai, vahA~ sirpha jJAna hI hai, anya kucha nahIM hai| aura maiM samajha jAtA hU~ ki zuddha jJAna hai| Apako zuddhAtmA diyA hai isalie ApakA zuddha to ho gayA, to aura kyA bAkI hai ? to kahate haiM ki paryAya haiM na, unakA zuddha honA bAkI haiM ! praznakartA : mUla AtmA, vaha to zuddha hI hai aisA kahA hai, to paryAya kisake bigar3e haiM ? paryAya kisake azuddha haiM ? dAdAzrI : azuddha paryAya to, jahA~ para 'usakI' mAnyatA azuddha huI (pharsTa levala kA vibhAva, maiM), pratiSThita huA, samajho tabhI azuddha ho gyaa| azuddha paryAyoM ko aisA mAnatA hai ki 'yaha maiM ha~', vahI 'usake' paryAya haiN| jaba kevalajJAna nahIM hotA taba taka yaha sAMsArika AtmA paryAya svarUpa hai| praznakartA : jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho jAtA taba taka 'khuda' paryAya svarUpa hai? dAdAzrI : hA~! jJAna-darzana paryAya, donoM hii| praznakartA : lekina isameM zuddha aura azuddha, ina donoM kA vivaraNa kisa prakAra se kiyA jA sakatA hai? yAnI ki zuddha paryAya svarUpa ho gayA yA azuddha paryAya svarUpa rahA, ina donoM kA vivaraNa kisa prakAra se kiyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : kaSAya aura akssaay|

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 227 praznakartA : kyA akaSAya sthiti meM bhI vaha paryAya svarUpa ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira akaSAya sthiti meM jJAna svarUpa ho jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : kevalajJAna svarUpa! praznakartA : to taba vaha paryAya svarUpa nahIM rahA, aisA kahA jAegA? dAdAzrI : haaN| praznakartA : ye sAre kaSAya vAlI sthiti meM se akaSAya sthiti taka pahu~cate hue bIca ke phez2iz2a haiN| dAdAzrI : phez2iz2a haiN| praznakartA : to kucha aMzoM taka jJAna svarUpa ho gayA hai, kucha aMzoM taka jJAna svarUpa nahIM huA hai aura taba taka paryAya svarUpa hI rahA hai| dAdAzrI : taba taka pryaay| praznakartA : to taba taka ve bilIpheM to haiM usake pAsa sTaoNka meM ? dAdAzrI : taba taka jitane paryAya zuddha ho gae haiM, utanA usakA upAdAna mAnA jAtA hai| upAdAna ! praznakartA : to usa samaya paryAya utane hI zuddha ho cuke hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : jitanA zuddha huA, utanA upAdAna kahalAtA hai, apane jJAna ke AdhAra para / kramika jJAna meM upAdAna ko alaga taraha se samajhAte haiN| apane yahA~ para to jaisA hai vaisA kaha dete haiM na! jaba taka kevalajJAna nahIM ho jAe taba taka upaadaan| AtmA se zuddha, jJAna se zuddha aura paryAya se upaadaan| praznakartA : aura phira usakA zuddhatva kaise utpanna hotA rahegA? jitanI jAgRti bar3hatI jAegI, utanI hI paryAyoM kI zuddhi hogI?

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) dAdAzrI : jitanI vItarAgatA, utanA hI nayA karma nahIM baMdhegA aura upAdAna utanA hI vItarAga rhegaa| utane hI paryAya (zuddha) hoNge| 228 praznakartA : zuddhatva arthAt usameM isa prakAra se bIca meM puruSArtha rahA huA hai ? dAdAzrI : vItarAgatA hI puruSArtha hai, varnA yadi rAga-dveSa hote haiM to usI ko aisA kahate haiM ki 'karma bA~dha rahA hai'| siddhAtmA ke bhI paryAya haiM praznakartA : (apane jJAna lie hue) mahAtmA ko kyA paryAyoM kA anubhava hotA rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : sabhI anubhava hote haiM / guNoM kA aisA anubhava hotA hai aura AnaMda hotA hai| saba hotA hai, jJAna samajha meM AtA hai| praznakartA: phira, kyA siddha bhagavAnoM meM dravya, guNa aura paryAya hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : sabhI meM hote haiM I praznakartA : lekina unake sabhI paryAya, zuddha paryAya hote haiM yAnI ki sirpha dekhanA aura jAnanA / dAdAzrI : basa! unakA paryAya zuddha hai aura yahA~ para 'ye' paryAya azuddha ho cuke haiM, milAvaTa vAle hote haiM I praznakartA : maiM to aisA samajhA thA ki siddha kSetra meM to zuddhAtmA sthira ho jAtA hai isalie usameM anya kucha nahIM rahatA, paryAya-varyAya jaisA kucha rahatA hI nahIM hai| mujhe to aisA dhyAna thA / dAdAzrI : nahIM! taba to phira vaha vastu hI nahIM kahalAegI na! aisA nahIM hai| unameM paryAya hote haiM / abhI bhI siddha logoM ke ( siddhoM ke ) paryAya haiN| ve paryAya anaMta jJeyoM ko jAnane meM haiM / siddhoM ko bhI niraMtara avasthAe~ dekhanI hotI haiM, vahA~ para sonA nahIM hotA /

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 229 jar3a ke jar3a-paryAya hote haiM, pudgala ke pudgala-paryAya hote haiM aura cetana ke cetana-paryAya hote haiM, sabhI paryAya vAle hote haiN| hamane' anAra kA per3a dekhA hai| yaha to samajho ki aisI cIz2a hai jo dRSTi se dekhI jA sakatI hai, lekina anAra kA per3a kisa taraha se utpanna huA, usakA mUla dravya kyA hai ? kisameM se utpanna huA? kisa prakAra se utpanna huA? ina saba ko yadi dekhA jA sake to vaha bhI AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai| jJAna prakAza nAmaka koI guNa nahIM hai lekina AtmA kA paryAya hai, jJAna pryaay| ataH (vibhAvika) paryAya ke binA bAhara nahIM dekha sakatA, usake jo guNa hai, ve dravya ko nahIM chodd'te| aisI sahacAritA hai| jo dravya ke sAtha rahate haiM, ve guNa haiN| paryAya pariNAmI haiN| paryAya vinAzI haiN| eka Ama ko dekhA aura dekhane ke bAda phira dUsare Ama ko dekhaa| eka kA vinAza huA, eka kA utpAda huaa| kucha samaya taka dhruva bhAga rahA aura usake bAda tIsare Ama ko dekhaa|* avasthA hai AtmA kI aura nakala karatA hai pudgala praznakartA : lekina dAdA, ye jo sabhI avasthAe~ haiM, ve to cetana aura jar3a, donoM ke ikaTThe hone se haiM na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! jaba avasthAe~ niraMtara rahatI haiM tabhI cetana kahalAtA hai na! avasthAe~ niraMtara raheMgI hii| praznakartA : yadi cetana aura jar3a ikaTThe na hoM to avasthA nahIM baneMgI na? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! phira bhI bneNgii| aisA nahIM hai ki avasthAe~ jar3a se milane kI vajaha se banatI haiM, vaha to usakA svabhAva hai| ye jo avasthAe~ dikhAI detI haiM, ve pudgala kI haiN| Apane jina avasthAoM kI bAta kI hai, ve pudgala kI haiN| vaha avasthA alaga hai, 'usakI' avasthA Atma avasthA hotI hai aura pudgala kI yaha pudgala avasthA! 'ApakI' avasthA Atma avasthA hai, usake bajAya 'Apa' pudgala kI avasthA ko khuda kI avasthA mAnate ho| AtmA kI avasthA badalatI rahatI hai| vaha *AptavANI-3, peja naM.-59 se 67- AtmA- dravya-guNa-paryAya ke bAre meM vizeSa vivrnn|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) AtmA ke rUpa meM, usakI bAunDrI meM badalatI rahatI haiM, usI ke AdhAra para yaha pudgala nakala karatA hai / isa pudgala kI avasthA badalatI rahatI hai, jise hama aisA mAna lete haiM ki 'yaha maiM hU~' / yaha mAnyatA chUTa jAegI to phira koI parezAnI nahIM rahegI / 230 praznakartA : to jaise-jaise AtmA kI avasthA badalatI hai, yaha pudgala vaisI hI nakala karatA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~ ! pAsa meM, ekadama naz2adIka A jAne kI vajaha se| praznakartA : sAmIpya bhAva kahA hai| phira bhI donoM ke kSetra alaga hI rahe haiM ? dAdAzrI : phira kSetra alaga haiM / praznakartA : pudgala kI avasthAe~, ye jo caurAsI lAkha yoniyA~ kahI haiM, ve ? dAdAzrI : haM / praznakartA : to phira AtmA kI avasthA yAnI kyA ? dAdAzrI : AtmA, pudgala ko dekhatA hai isalie usakI avasthA bhI vahI ho jAtI hai| phira bhI vaha apane khuda ke svabhAva meM hai / praznakartA : to vaha badalatA kaise hai, dAdA ? dAdAzrI : usakI sirpha mAnyatA hI badalatI hai / jaba pudgala kI avasthA badalatI hai, taba use hama aisA mAnate haiM ki 'yaha maiM badala rahA hU~', aura vaisA hI bana jAtA hai / isalie kahA hai ki jise samakita hotA hai, usakI dRSTi sahI ho jAtI hai isalie yaha saba turaMta calA jAtA hai / praznakartA : kyA AtmA kI avasthA ke anusAra pudgala usakI nakala karatA hai? dAdAzrI : samajhAne ke lie hai| 'nakala karatA hai', aisA to Apako kahane ke lie,

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita praznakartA : isa pudgala kI avasthAe~ cetana ke nimitta kI vajaha se badalatI haiM yA phira aisA kucha nahIM hai ? 231 dAdAzrI : saba nimitta haiM hI / nimitta para hI pUrA nirbhara hai| cetana naz2adIka AyA hai, vaha nimitta kI vajaha se hotA rahatA hai / praznakartA : to pahale cetana meM avasthA badalatI hai ? dAdAzrI : avasthA badalatI hI nahIM hai aura saba apane svabhAva meM hote haiN| sirpha do kA saMyoga, sAmIpyabhAva hone se ye vyatireka guNa (vibhAva) apane Apa hI utpanna ho jAte haiM aura vyatireka guNa hone ke kAraNa pudgala kI avasthA badalatI rahatI hai| AtmA ke paryAya, cetana ke cetana paryAya hote haiM aura jar3a jar3a paryAya hote haiM, donoM ke paryAya alaga-alaga hote haiN| loga ye sabhI bAteM karate haiM lekina tote ke rAma-rAma jaisI / roz2a-roz2a muMbaI kI khabara pUchate haiM lekina jaba taka muMbaI nahIM dekhA hai taba taka mUla bAta ko samajha nahIM paaegaa| roz2a-roz2a pUchatA rahatA hai ki bhUlezvara kyA idhara se jAte haiM ? kauna se mArga se jAte haiM ? praznakartA : lekina kyA usase helpa hotI hai ? dAdAzrI : usase helpa to hotI hai, lekina usase saMtuSTi nahIM hotii| praznakartA : dAdA! kyA aise karate-karate eka dina muMbaI pahu~ca jAe~ge ? dAdAzrI : hA~ ! aisA ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : jahA~ para khar3A hai, vaha muMbaI nahIM hai, usakA vizvAsa hai na ? dAdAzrI : hA~ ! usakA vizvAsa hai / praznakartA : taba phira muMbaI kI tarapha calanA jArI rakhegA na ! dAdAzrI : hA~ ! phira use muMbaI dikhane lagatA hai, muMbaI thor3A-thor3A dikhane lagatA hai|

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232 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) bhrAMta bhAva aura paudgalika bhAva praznakartA : to isa ahaMkAra aura AtmA ko, donoM ko anAdi tattva samajhanA hai na? dAdAzrI : anAdi tattva nahIM haiN| praznakartA : kyoMki anAdi se hI kArya kAraNa phala hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! vaha to aisA lagatA hai| vaha sanAtana meM nahIM AtA hai| rileTiva meM AtA hai| praznakartA : parivartanazIla meM? dAdAzrI : nahIM! rileTiva meN| praznakartA : usake iMgliza zabda kA artha yaha nahIM hotaa| dAdAzrI : rileTiva arthAt vinaashii| praznakartA : dAdA! vinAza to kisI bhI cIz2a kA nahIM hotA, sabakucha parivartita hotA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, parivartita lekina paryAya vinAzI hote haiM aura sanAtana vastue~ jo haiM, ve sanAtana haiN| unheM koI kucha nahIM kara sktaa| oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTsa enDa yU Ara prmaanentt| donoM kA mela kaise hogA? praznakartA : dAdA Apane kahA thA ki 'yaha ahaMkAra AtmA ke paryAya ke rUpa meM utpanna huA hai aura AtmA pha~sa gayA', to, ahaMkAra to paudgalika bhAga kahalAegA na? / dAdAzrI : pahale bhrAMta bhAva (vibhAvika dazA) kahalAtA hai aura bAda meM paudgalika bhAva ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina dAdA, kyA zuddhAtmA ko bhrAMti huI? bhrAMta bhAva kise hotA hai?

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 233 dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA ke paryAyoM para, avasthAoM para dabAva AtA hai agara abhI tujha para dabAva Ae to terA dimAg2a bigar3a jAegA yA nahIM bigar3egA? praznakartA : bigar3a jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : usI taraha! z2arUrata, paryAya kI yA pA~ca AjJA kI? ina bhAI sAhaba ko paryAya samajha meM nahIM AyA to usase kyA vaha mokSa meM nahIM jA pAe~ge? | praznakartA : avazya jaaeNge| dAdAzrI : to kahate haiM, 'mokSa meM nahIM jA pAe~ge', aisA nahIM hogaa| kyoMki jJAnI puruSa ke Azraya meM jAnA hai na! jAnane jAegA to balki bigar3a jaaegaa| usake bajAya anajAna rahanA hI acchaa| yaha to, itanA bhI samajha meM AyA hai| ve jo vAkya rakhe haiM na (caraNavidhi ke jJAna vAkya), una vAkyoM ke AdhAra para samajha meM AyA hai| pUchanA cAhie, z2arA socane ke lie| praznakartA : acetana paryAyoM kA kyA asara hotA hai? dAdAzrI : asara to do prakAra se hotA hai| acetana paryAya jJAnI para koI bhI asara nahIM DAla sakate aura ajJAnI para asara DAlate haiN| praznakartA : ajJAnI ko karma baMdhana karavAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : hA~! karma baMdhavAte haiM, yaha jagat usI se cala rahA hai na! acetana paryAyoM se hI cala rahA hai n| samudra jaisI agAdha cIz2a hai yaha to| Apako to thor3e meM de diyA hai| niber3A lAnA hai jldii| bAkI ye jo samaraMbha, samAraMbha aura AraMbha samajha meM A jAte haiM, vaha sthUla bhASA hai| yaha to sUkSmAtisUkSma, bahuta sUkSma hai!

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234 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : zabda meM nahIM samA sakatA, aisA nahIM hai| zabdoM se yaha jAnane kA prayatna kara rahe haiN| dAdAzrI : paryAya zabda kA upayoga to isa saMsAra meM hotA hai| zabda kA upayoga isa taraha nahIM karanA cAhie lekina loga to ise le baiThe haiN| paryAya zabda sirpha sat vastu para, avinAzI vastu para hI lAgU hotA hai| anya kisI bhI jagaha para paryAya lAgU nahIM hotaa| phira bhI Apake isa sAinsa kI bhASA meM jo paryAya kahate haiM na! zabdoM meM bolate haiM utanA hI, bAkI vahA~ taka pahu~canA bahuta muzkila hai| ise samajhakara z2arUra rakhanA hai, paryAya meM to utarane jaisA nahIM hai| bahuta sUkSma bAta hai| samajha rakhA hogA to kabhI aisA lagegA ki hama ise samajhe haiN| bAkI, yaha darzana meM nahIM A sktaa| praznakartA : yaha to maiM yoM hI pUcha rahA hU~, isakA anya koI prayojana nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, usameM harja nahIM hai lekina darzana meM bhI nahIM A sakatA, cAhe use maiM kitanA bhI samajhAne jaauuN| praznakartA : hA~! vaha bAta ThIka hai| sahI hai| dAdAzrI : jaba hama use moTA kAtate haiM na, to vaha spiniMga (kAtanA) mila kahalAtA hai| phira vIviMga (bunanA) kA bAda meM dekha leNge| paryAya bahuta bar3I cIz2a hai| sAdhu-sanyAsI, AcAryoM ko, kisI ko samajha meM nahIM aataa| yaha jagat pudgala ke paryAyoM meM hI ulajhA huA hai| jo dikhAI dete haiM, ve sabhI pudgala ke paryAya haiM, moTA kAtanA acchA hai| hameM bahuta bArIka nahIM kAtanA hai| hama to yadi ina pA~ca AjJAoM meM raheM na, to bahuta ho gyaa| ina vItarAgoM ke vijJAna kI thAha pAnA muzkilaM hai| bahuta adbhuta vijJAna hai ! hameM isakI thAha pAne kI kyA jaldI hai abhI! eka janma-do janma ho jAe~ge, usake bAda Age kabhI na kabhI thAha milanI hI hai? kabhI na kabhI ise jAne binA cArA hI nahIM rahegA na! abhI ke abhI to samajha meM nahIM A sakatA na! kaise samajha meM AegA?

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(2.2) guNa va paryAya ke saMdhi sthala, dRzya sahita 235 samajha meM A sakatA hai ? samajhanA muzkila cIz2a hai| aura yaha samAraMbha to Apako samajha meM A sakatA hai lekina ye paryAya samajha meM nahIM A skte| ___ isa cetana ke paryAya cetana hI hote haiN| cAhe koI bhI, koI ajJAnI ho, to usake bhI cetana ke paryAya cetana hI hote haiM aura acetana ke paryAya acetana hI hote haiN| dekho na, hamane patA lagAyA hai na! cetana ke paryAya taka pahu~canA hai na! bAhara bhI kitane hI loga yaha bAta karate haiM na! hameM, 'dravya, guNa, paryAya se zuddha haiM', aisA bolanA hai| bAkI, dravya bhI samajha meM nahIM A sakatA, guNa bhI samajha meM nahIM A sakatA aura paryAya bhI samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| yadi vaha samajha meM A jAe to kevalajJAna svarUpa meM A jAegA!

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[3] avasthA ke udaya va asta paryAya kI paribhASA AtmA sat hai, sat kA matalaba yahI hai ki vaha khuda vastu rUpI hai, guNa rUpI hai, usake paryAya haiM aura khuda svataMtra hai| praznakartA : dAdA, isameM una zabdoM kA upayoga kiyA, niraMtara parivartana arthAt aMta rahita? dAdAzrI : rukatA nahIM hai, niraMtara / samasaraNa arthAt niraMtara parivartana, eka kSaNa ke lie bhI nahIM ruktaa| vaha utpAda, vyaya, dhruva... eka avasthA utpanna hotI hai, eka kA vinAza honA aura dUsarI avasthA kA utpanna honaa| yoM avasthAe~ utpanna hotI rahatI haiN| aba, AtmA kI sabhI avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM, unheM paryAya kahA jAtA hai| paryAya kA matalaba kyA hai ? yaha jo sUrya hai na, usake aMdara prakAza hai| prakAza usakA svabhAva hai| aba vaha prakAza, to yahA~ para vaha saba kyA dikhAI detA hai? kiraNeM! ve paryAya haiN| paryAya niraMtara badalate hI rahate haiM aura prakAza vahI rahatA hai| AtmA ke paryAya usake khuda ke pradeza meM rahakara badalate rahate haiM lekina paryAyoM para kisI cIz2a kA asara nahIM hotaa| abhI (svAbhAvika) AtmA aMdara TaMkotkIrNa hai| vaise ke vaisA hI hai, svaccha hI hai| karmaraja cipakate haiM bhrAMtirasa se pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) kI avasthA hai, AtmA kI avasthA hai| donoM hI avasthAoM ko milAkara phira vaha 'khuda' jhaMjhaTa

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 237 karatA hai| yadi isa jagat meM avasthAe~ nahIM hotI to tattva bhI nahIM hote| AtmA kA svataMtra cetana tattva aura pudgala kA rUpI tattva, ina donoM ke milane se saMsAra khar3A huA hai aura dukAna zurU huii| avasthAe~ hoMgI tabhI vaha tattva kahalAegA varnA atattva khlaaegaa| vastu nAzavaMta hotI hI nahIM hai lekina jo dikhAI detI haiM, ve sabhI avastue~ haiN| ve mithyA nahIM haiM, rileTiva svarUpa haiN| praznakartA : lekina yaha jo karma kI vargaNA (karmaraja) cipakatI hai, vaha paryAya para cipakatI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kucha bhI nahIM cipktaa| jo karma hai, use to pudgala kahA jAtA hai| jo cipakatA hai use, dakhala karanA kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : isa karma kI vargaNA cipakatI hai, usI vajaha se to saMsAra kA bhramaNa hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha AtmA se nahIM cipktii| paryAya se bhI nahIM cipakatI, guNa se yA kisI se bhI nahIM cipktii| praznakartA : AtmA dravya-guNa-paryAya sahita hai| aba AtmA para jo karmaraja cipakatI hai, usakI prakiyA kisa prakAra se hai? dAdAzrI : vaha usa para nahIM cipktii| praznakartA : vaha dravya se nahIM cipakatI lekina paryAya se to cipakatI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM! paryAya se bhI nahIM cipktii| ye sArI mAnyatAe~ hI ulTI haiN| yadi vaha paryAya para cipakatI na, to phira ukhar3atI hI nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira karma kA baMdhana kisa taraha se hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : vahI samajhanA hai, usI ko AtmajJAna kahate haiM na! yaha to saba yoM hI buddhi se seTa karate rahate haiM, paryAya se cipaka gayA aura aisA ho gayA aura vaisA ho gyaa|

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238 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : AtmA ke paryAya para to kucha bhI nahIM cipakatA na, dAdA? dAdAzrI : hA~, usake paryAya ko bhI kucha nahIM hotA aura isake (jar3a ke) paryAya ko bhI kucha nahIM hotaa| yaha to cIz2a hI alaga hai| aisA yadi samajha gae hote na, taba to ye sabhI mukta hI ho jAte na! ise buddhi se tolate rhe| isameM to kyA hai ki nAma mAtra bhI nahIM cipakA, nAma mAtra ko bhI kucha nahIM huA hai| cipakatA kitanA hai ? jaba bhrAMtirasa se kahatA hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyA', taba ina do dravyoM ke bIca meM rasa DalatA hai| maiMne kiyA kA' bhrAMtirasa DalatA hai| usI kI vajaha se cipakA huA hai, basa! bAkI kucha bhI cipakA huA nahIM hotaa| Atmadravya aura pudgala dravya, 'maiMne kiyA aura yaha merA', ina donoM meM se bhrAMtirasa utpanna hotA hai aura bhrAMtirasa DalatA hai| jaba 'maiMne nahIM kiyA aura yaha merA nahIM hai', aisA hogA usa dina se bhrAMtirasa nahIM DalegA to alaga ho jaaegaa| ataH jJAnI puruSa usa bhrAMtirasa ko vilaya kara dete haiM, usake bAda dravya alaga ho jAtA hai| vastu avinAzI aura avasthAe~ vinAzI avasthAoM kA udaya huA to unakA asta hogA hii| mUla vastu kA udaya va asta nahIM hotaa| phez2ija kA udaya aura asta hotA hai| manuSyapana kA udaya hotA hai aura vaha asta hogaa| bhaiMsa kA udaya hotA hai aura bhaiMsapana kA asta hogA hii| manuSyapana AtmA kA phez2a hai| gadhA bhI AtmA kA phez2a hai| caMdra meM bIja, tIja, pUnama, usake phez2ija haiN| gadhA bhI manuSya meM se hI banatA hai| gadhe kA eka guNa usane Develapa kiyA hI hotA hai, isIlie usa guNa ke saMyogI pramANoM ke AdhAra para gadhA banatA hai| manuSyapana meM jo guNa adhika Develapa hotA hai, usa DevelapamenTa ke anusAra janma hotA hI hai| jIvamAtra anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahA hai| vaha alaga-alaga avasthAoM meM bhaTakA hai| kuttA, gadhA, gAya, ghor3A, bhaiMsa, baila, manuSya,

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 239 strI, pakSI, ina sabhI avasthAoM meM bhaTakA hai| avasthAoM meM se svastha honA hai| praznakartA : yadi eka per3a kI DAlI ko kATakara dUsarI jagaha para ropA jAe to dUsarI jagaha para per3a bana jAtA hai| to kyA eka AtmA meM se do AtmA bana jAte haiM ? dAdAzrI : eka AlU meM to karor3oM-karor3oM AtmAe~ haiM, eka hI AlU meN| nAgaphanI meM to bahuta sAre jIva haiN| nAgaphanI kA to itanA sA Tukar3A dabAyA jAe na, to bhI vaha uga nikalatA hai| praznakartA : dAdA! to ye AtmAe~, jinakA biginiMga aura enDa nahIM hai, lekina kucha saMkhyA to hogI hI na! kyA usa saMkhyA meM kamI yA bar3hotarI hotI hI nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM! isa duniyA meM jo koI bhI cIz2a hai, AtmA yA paramANu haiM, ve saMkhyA meM kama-jyAdA nahIM hote| praznakartA : badalate rahate haiM, eka phaoNrma meM se dUsare phaoNrma meM jAte rahate haiM? dAdAzrI : phaoNrma badalate rahate haiM, (saMkhyA) kama-jyAdA nahIM hote| aura AtmA jo hai, usameM kama-jyAdA nahIM hotaa| paramANu yA kisI bhI vastu meM kamI yA bar3hotarI nahIM hotii| vaha to Apako aisA lagatA hai ki ise jalA diyA aura aisA saba kiyaa| ve saba apane-apane dUsare phormezana badalate haiM, avasthAe~ badala jAtI haiN| praznakartA : avasthA arthAt sicueshn| dAdAzrI : use phez2iz2a kahA jAtA hai| ve avasthAe~ hI kama hotI haiM, anya kucha nahIM hotaa| ve jo paramANu haiM, sabhI vastue~ vahI kI vahI haiN| anya koI parivartana nahIM hotaa| avasthA meM rUpAMtaraNa ho jAtA hai, phez2ija badalate rahate haiN| jaise ki yaha pAnI hai na, use garama karate haiM to usakI avasthA

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) I bhApa vAlI ho jAtI hai / usake bAda bhApa se phira bAdala banate haiM aura bAdala meM se vApasa pAnI banatA hai / ye sabhI avasthAe~ niraMtara vinAzI haiM lekina vastusthiti meM koI kamI yA bar3hotarI nahIM hotI / anaMta janmoM se Apa bhI haiM aura maiM bhI hU~ lekina bahuta se janmoM meM puruSa bane hoMge, bahuta janmoM meM strI bne| kaI janmoM meM cAra paira mile, kaI janmoM meM bAraha paira mile| isa taraha bhaTakate, bhaTakate, bhaTakate, bhaTakate hI rahe haiM / avasthAe~ saba badalatI hI rahatI haiM niraMtara lekina AtmA svarUpa se Apa vahI ho / aba usa AtmA ko, khuda ko riyalAiz2a kara leM to phira usameM se mukta ho jAe~ge varnA mukta nahIM ho skeNge| 240 pharka, paMca mahAbhUta aura chaH sanAtana dravyoM meM... praznakartA : hinduoM meM aisI bAta kahI gaI hai ki yaha pUrA jagat pA~ca mahAbhUtoM se banA huA hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ne chaH tattvoM kI bAta kI hai| donoM sahI lagatI haiM lekina donoM meM kyA aMtara hai, vaha patA nahIM calatA / dAdAzrI : pA~ca tattvoM se yaha jo banA hai, vaha adhUrI samajha hai / pA~ca tattva arthAt mahAvIra bhagavAna ke chaH dravya haiM, unameM se do dravya A ge| praznakartA : to ye pA~ca mahAtattva kauna se do dravyoM se bane haiM ? dAdAzrI : ina logoM ne isa pudgala paramANu dravya ke cAra bhAga kara die aura pA~cavA~, jo AkAza likhA hai, vaha to svataMtra hai / vaha to tattva hI hai, vAstava meN| ina logoM ko A~khoM se sirpha eka hI prakAra kI paikiMga dikhAI detI hai, sirpha anAtmA hI / paikiMga meM to pA~ca vastue~ bharI huI haiM, pA~ca tattvoM se banI hai| paikiMga kauna se tattvoM kI banI hai ? paMca mahAbhUta / praznakartA : pRthvI, jala, teja, vAyu, AkAza dAdAzrI : paMca mahAbhUta to vivaraNa hai| isameM pRthvI, pAnI, teja

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta aura vAyu, ye cAroM milakara eka tattva hai / bolo ! ina sabhI ko tattva kaheMge to bhUla ho jAegI yA nahIM ? 241 praznakartA : lekina Apane ye jo pA~ca tattva batAe haiM, agni, pRthvI, vAyu, to ve bhI mUlabhUta rUpa se to eka zakti kA hI svarUpa haiM, aisA siddha huA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina yaha agni, pRthvI vagairaha ve saba tattva haiM hI nhiiN| ye to buddhi ke hI khela haiN| duniyA bhI aisA kahatI hai ki ye pA~ca tattvoM meM samA gae, pA~ca tattva alaga ho gae lekina ye tattva haiM hI nahIM na! aba agni to pAnI DAlate hI bujha jAegI, use tattva kaise kaheMge ? ye cAra jo haiM na, eka hI tattva ke Tukar3e haiN| yAnI isa tattva meM bhUla ho jAtI hai logoM se| ina cAroM ko tattva mAnA aura pA~cavA~ AkAza tattva / aura ina pA~coM ko tattva mAna liyA / vaha saba roga hai / meM jo zAstra yaha saba batAte haiM, ve galata nahIM haiM / Apako samajhane bhUla ho rahI hai, usameM zAstra becArA kyA kare? ve jo pRthvI, vAyu, pAnI, AkAza, teja kahate haiM, vaha adhUrI bAta hai| ina pA~ca tattvoM se hI manuSya zarIra banatA hai to vaha galata siddha hogA / yaha calatA kaise hai ? calatA hai to sthira kaise hotA hai ? praznakartA : gurutvAkarSaNa se nahIM ? dAdAzrI : gurutvAkarSaNa se bAta samajha meM nahIM A sktii| jaba uThate haiM, khisakate haiM, ghUmate haiM, phirate haiM to kyA vaha gurutvAkarSaNa se hotA hai ? oNksIjana nahIM hai mUla tattva praznakartA : yaha jo pAnI hai, hAiDrojana aura oNksIjana, ina donoM ko jaba alaga karate haiM taba oNksIjana vAtAvaraNa meM calI jAtI hai| to sabhI sAinTisToM ne khoja kI hai ki taba oNksIjana kucha kama ho jAtI hai / aba yaha jo spesa hai, usameM oNksIjana nahIM hai, to vaha oNksIjana kahA~ jAtI hai? yAnI apanI jo mAnyatA hai ki mUla tattva meM kamI yA bar3hotarI nahIM hotI hai to kyA usa mAnyatA ko galata samajheM?

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) dAdAzrI : yaha oNksIjana mUla tattva nahIM hai| mUla tattva to paramAnenTa hotA hai| mUla tattva kise kahate haiM ? jo kama nahIM hotA aura bar3hatA nahIM hai| koI cenja nahIM hotaa| oNksIjana mUla tattva nahIM hai, hAiDrojana mUla tattva nahIM hai, pAnI bhI mUla tattva nahIM hai| 242 bAkI saba kama-z2yAdA hotA rahatA hai / mUla tattva ke alAvA pratyeka cIz2a kama-z2yAdA hotI rahatI hai, guru-laghu hotI hai aura mUla tattva agurulaghu hai| pAnI mUla tattva kI avasthA hai, teja bhI avasthA hai, vAyu aura pRthvI bhI mUla tattva kI avasthAe~ haiM / eka hI tattva kI, jar3a tattva kI cAra avasthAe~ haiN| yAnI samajhanA to par3egA na ! vijJAna ke sAmane gappa nahIM clegii| saMsAra ise nahIM samajha sktaa| samajhane meM bahuta dera lgegii| sahI bAta ko samajheMge to hala AegA, varnA 'merA sahI hai' aisA karane jAe~ge to kabhI bhI hala nahIM aaegaa| sAmane vAle ke AtmA ko svIkAra honA cAhie, varnA yaha eksepTa karane jaisA hai hI nahIM / ahaMkAra meM haiM cAra tattva... praznakartA : pRthvI, jala, agni, vAyu aura AkAza, ina pA~ca tattvoM se kauna se guNa utpanna hote haiM ? dAdAzrI : yaha pUrA zarIra pA~ca tattvoM se banA hai| pUrA hI zarIra / phira mana, igoiz2ama vagairaha sabhI kucha, ina pA~ca tattvoM se hI banA hai I yadi koI pUche ki yaha iMsAna ThaMDA kyoM ho gayA ? to kahate haiM ki ahaMkAra kisase banA hai ? vAyu se, pAnI se aura miTTI se / vAyu aura pAnI ko vilaya hone meM dera hI kitanI lagatI hai ? dasta ho jAe to bhAga-daur3a karake rakha detA hai / kahA~ gayA ApakA ahaMkAra ? arthAt yaha ahaMkAra kisase banA huA hai, vaha to dekho| vAyu se, pAnI se, teja se aura miTTI se / vinAzI cIz2oM se banA huA ahaMkAra kA vinAza ho jAtA hai na! aura phira vApasa usa ahaMkAra meM bhI avinAzI tattva hai| sabhI tattva to usameM mile hue hI haiM na, avinAzI bhI ? AkAza bhI

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 243 milA huA hai| gati sahAyaka, sthiti sahAyaka, kaal| sirpha cetana milA huA nahIM hai| usakA sirpha prabhAva hai| praznakartA : eka indriya se pA~ca indriya, kyA sabhI kA pudgala pA~ca vastuoM se banA huA hai ? dAdAzrI : pA~ca tattvoM se| rAI ke dAne meM bhI pA~ca tattva haiM, bAkI saba jo haiM, gehU~, cAvala, sabhI meM pA~ca tattva haiN| jaba Apa ise sukhAte ho to vaha AkAza tattva calA jAtA hai isalie phira vaha TikatA hai| kucha bhAga calA jAtA hai aura z2arA sA rahatA hai| pAnI meM bhI anya pA~ca tattva haiN| praznakartA : kauna-kauna se haiM, dAdAjI? unakA anupAta kitanAkitanA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : pAnI meM pacAsa pratizata pAnI hotA hai aura dUsare pacAsa pratizata meM bAkI ke saba tattva haiN| praznakartA : usakA kyA kAraNa hai dAdA? dAdAzrI : vaha pAnI hai islie| mukhya rUpa se pAnI adhika hai, bAkI ke dUsare tattva haiN| praznakartA : hara eka meM alaga-alaga hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : anAja meM pRthvI hotI hai pacAsa pratizata aura bAkI ke pacAsa pratizata saba milAkara haiN| praznakartA : aura hama logoM meM? dAdAzrI : hama logoM meM bhI aisA hI hai| z2arA kama-jyAdA ho sakatA hai| pacAsa pratizata nahIM hai| sabhI eka sarIkhe nahIM hote yAnI ki kama-z2yAdA hote haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, ye jo pA~ca tattva haiM na, inameM yaha jo z2amIna hai, jo sthUla vastu rakhI gaI hai, usake pacAsa pratizata rakhe gae haiN| bAkI ke cAroM ke sAr3e bAraha prtisht| teja, vAyu, AkAza, agni, aisA hai ?

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244 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : pacAsa pratizata hogA tabhI yaha khaDA raha sakegA na! varnA khar3A kaise raha sakegA? usameM sthUla z2yAdA hI hai| imbailensa pA~coM kA manuSyoM meM manuSyoM meM pA~ca tattvoM kA anupAta badala gayA hai| vaha abava naoNrmala aura bilo naoNrmala ho gayA hai| praznakartA : kyA roga hone kA kAraNa imbailensa (asaMtulana) hai? dAdAzrI : vahI kAraNa hai| praznakartA : aura imbailensa hone kA kAraNa bhojana hai ? hama bhojana hI aisA lete haiM isalie imbailensa ho jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : karma ke udaya ke kAraNa kama-z2yAdA bhojana lete haiM, isase use imbailensa ho hI jAtA hai| phira roga hote haiN| praznakartA : paMca mahAbhUta murade ko kahA jAtA hai yA jIvita manuSya ko? AtmA sahita deha ko paMca mahAbhUta kahA jAtA hai yA pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) ko paMca mahAbhUta kahA jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : donoM ko kahA jAtA hai| pudgala bhI paMca mahAbhUta hai, sirpha pudgala hii| phira yadi vaha muradA ho taba bhI paMca mahAbhUta / praznakartA : sirpha deha ko hI paMca mahAbhUta kahate haiM yA kisI ko bhii| dAdAzrI : isa deha ko hii| praznakartA : aura bAkI ina saba ko nahIM? yaha (TeparikaoNrDara) bhI pudgala meM hI AtA hai na, ise nahIM? dAdAzrI : merA kahanA yaha hai ki TeparikaoNrDara meM saba nahIM hai, isameM kucha paMca mahAbhUta nahIM haiM aura kucha mahAbhUta haiN| lekina zarIra to niyama se paMca mahAbhUtoM se hI banA hai| Tepa meM kucha hI mahAbhUta haiN|

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 245 praznakartA : sabhI tattva rahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : sbhii| praznakartA : ve jala jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : AtmA nikala jAtA hai na, to bhI paMca mahAbhUtoM vAlA khokhA (zarIra) par3A rahatA hai| praznakartA : taba phira use jalA dete haiM ? dAdAzrI : jalA dete haiN| saba paMca mahAbhUta cale jAte haiM, alagaalaga ho jAte haiN| AkAza, AkAza meM mila jAtA hai, pRthvI, pRthvI meM mila jAtI hai, pAnI, pAnI meM mila jAtA hai| sabakucha alaga ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : yaha jo zarIra hai, vaha pA~ca tattvoM se banA hai phira bhI isa eka hI tattva ko, agni ko hI kyoM samarpita karanA par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : Apa miTTI meM dabAoge to miTTI meM bhI ho jaaegaa| pAnI meM DAla doge to pAnI meM sar3a jAegA, kharAba ho jAegA, lekina agni jaldI karatI hai isalie agni meM DAlate haiM aura hameM dikhAI detA hai| vaha dekhate-dekhate hI ho jAtA hai, turaMta khatma ho jAtA hai| agni pA~coM hI tattvoM ko alaga kara detI haiN| varnA miTTI meM dabAne para bhI vaha (pA~coM tattva) alaga kara detI hai aura pAnI meM bhI (pA~coM tattva) alaga ho jAte haiN| are, vAyu bhI kara detI hai| lekina ye tattva dikhAI dete haiM ismeN| yaha jo jalAnA hai, use hama turaMta hI khatma karake A jAte haiM na! dUsare dina asthiyA~ lene jAte haiN| anaMta kAla se isI meM hAtha DAlatA rahA hai| isI miTTI meM hAtha DAlatA rahA hai, to bhI tU saMtuSTa nahIM hotA? soca to sahI, cAra miTTI ke isa daladala meM, kahA~ para kyA par3A hai, DhU~Dha to sahI! usameM to haiM asaMkhya jIva mAtra eka rUpI tattva hI paramANuoM se banA hai| havA, pAnI, teja,

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246 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) sabhI kuch| ye jo agni kI lapaTeM uThatI haiM na, jalatI haiM na, ve lapaTeM sirpha lapaTeM nahIM haiM, ve saba jIva haiN| ve saba jIva, jo dikhAI dete haiM na, jo-jo bhUrA aura lAla donoM sAtha meM haiM, vaha bhAga dikhAI detA hai na, vahA~ para sAre jIva hote haiN| lapaTeM yoM hI nahIM nikltii| teukAya jIva haiM, unakA zarIra agni rUpI hai| itanA adhika hoTa (garma), hITa vAlA hai ki hama jala jAte haiN| ve saba jIva hI haiN| yaha pUrI pRthvI nire jIva hI haiN| vAyu bhI nire jIva hI haiN| jIva kA zarIra hI vAyu hai| unakI baoNDI vAyu hai| pAnI ke jIvoM kI baoNDI pAnI hai, pRthvI ke jIvoM kI baoNDI pRthvI hai aura agni ke jIvoM kI baoNDI teja hai| praznakartA : arthAt ina sabhI meM jIva haiM ? dAdAzrI : nirA jIvoM se hI bharA huA hai yaha jgt| praznakartA : aisI koI svataMtra vastu nahIM hai jo bilkula ajIva ho, nirjIva ho? dAdAzrI : hai, vaha sArA pudgala hai| yaha jIva eka hI tattva hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra ke chaH tattva kahe gae haiM na, una chaH dravyoM meM sirpha jIva hI eka dravya hai, anya pA~coM ajIva haiM aura unameM se yaha rAmalIlA bana gaI hai| akele the lekina lIlA dekho, kitanI bar3I ho gaI hai ! isI taraha AtmA eka hI thA, cetana! aura yaha saba dekho, kitanA sArA! rUpAMtarita karatA hai kAla Apane kabhI bhI jagat ko utpanna hote hue dekhA hai ? praznakartA : dekhA nahIM hai lekina phira bhI rUpAMtarita hotA rahatA hai na! dAdAzrI : rUpAMtaraNa kA artha yahI hai utpanna honA va laya honA, isa taraha rUpAMtarita hotA rahatA hai| vastu meM kucha utpanna bhI nahIM hotA, laya bhI nahIM hotA aura kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| avasthAoM kA rUpAMtaraNa hotA rahatA hai|

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 247 praznakartA : usameM AtmA kI zakti eka naimittika kAraNa hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai, AtmA ko kyA lenA-denA? praznakartA : isameM AtmA kI kyA z2arUrata par3atI hai? / dAdAzrI : yaha jo kAla hai, vaha hara eka cIz2a ko khA jAtA hai| kAla hara eka cIz2a ko purAnI karatA hai aura phira hara eka ko naI karatA hai| rUpAMtaraNa meM sabakucha A gyaa| rUpAMtaraNa arthAt kyA? utpanna honA, nAza honA aura kucha dera ke lie ttiknaa| tattva kI utpatti nahIM hai, usake guNoM kI utpatti nahIM hai| jisa prakAra se tattva sthira rahatA hai, usI prakAra se guNa bhI sthira rahate haiM, paryAya badalate rahate haiN| ye saMyoga-viyoga, ye haiM paryAya praznakartA : jaina darzana kI tripadI yaha hai, sattA ke rUpa meM sthiti, paryAya se parivartanazIla aura khuda ke svabhAva meM se na httnaa| inameM se ye jo mukhya rUpa se, ye jo tIna bAtoM kI carcA kI z2arUrata hai| aba ve tInoM, eka-eka karake lIjie aap| dAdAzrI : utpanna honA, sthira honA aura vinAza honaa| sthira honA khuda ke svabhAva se hai| utpanna aura vinAza paryAya se haiN| praznakartA : itanA AsAna thA! itanA AsAna thA, aisA kaha rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to AsAna thaa| khuda ke svabhAva meM se na haTanA, use kahate haiM dhruva rhnaa| praznakartA : hama eka udAharaNa leM, pahale jar3a kA aura phira cetana kaa| dAdAzrI : Apa khuda zuddhAtmA ho, vaha dhruva ke taura para ho|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) ataH Apa apane Apako jAnate ho, 'maiM zAzvata hU~', lekina yahA~ para jo avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiM, ve saMyoga haiN| ve saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke haiN| ve saMyoga paryAya haiM aura viyogI bhI paryAya haiM / yaha batAnA cAhate haiM ki viyogI phala dekara cale jAte haiM / utpanna honA, vinAza honA aura sthira rahanA / khuda to sthira hI rahatA hai aura yaha saba hotA rahatA hai| 248 praznakartA : ataH AtmA sthira rahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : hA~! AtmA (khuda, zuddhAtmA) sthira rahatA hai I utpAda, vyaya, dhruva praznakartA : aisA kahA jAtA hai ki jisa samaya mahAvIra bhagavAna ne gautama svAmI ko tripadI kA jJAna diyA, usake bAda turaMta hI unheM AtmajJAna ho gayA thA ? dAdAzrI : nahIM-nahIM! turaMta nhiiN| vaha to mahAvIra bhagavAna ke sAtha meM rahane se unheM dhIre-dhIre jJAna prakaTa hotA gayA / bhagavAna jo kucha bhI kahate the, usa para se unheM jJAna prakaTa hotA gayA aura gautama svAmI ko kevalajJAna to unake (mahAvIra bhagavAna ke) jAne ke bAda meM huA / ataH tripadI to saba se pahale samajhAI jAtI hai / utpAda, vyaya aura dhruva isa jagat kA svarUpa hai| sabhI tattva utpAda, vyaya aura dhruva haiM, aisA samajhAyA jAtA hai aura usI se yaha sArA tUphAna macA hai / utpanna honA, vyaya honA aura kucha samaya taka rahanA, yahI svarUpa hai| I praznakartA : utpannevA, vighnevA, dhruvevA / dAdAzrI : hA~, usa tripadI ko jAnane ke bAda phira jAnane ko kyA rahatA hai isa duniyA meM ? utpanna hotA hai, laya hotA hai aura dhruvatA meM hai| yadi laya nahIM hogA to dUsarA utpanna nahIM hogaa| ataH laya hotA hai, usake bAda utpanna hotA hai aura phira utpanna va laya hone ke bAvajUda bhI vastu dhruva hai / tripadI meM mahAvIra bhagavAna aisA samajhAnA cAhate haiM /

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta praznakartA: vastu dhruva hai aura usake paryAya utpanna aura vyaya hote rahate haiM to kyA vastu ke paryAya bhI utpanna hote haiM, dhruva rahate haiM aura vyaya hote haiM ? 249 dAdAzrI : nahIM! paryAya dhruva nahIM haiM, utpanna hote haiM aura vyaya hote haiM jabaki vastu (AtmA) zAzvata rahatA hai, dhruva rahatA hai| khuda dhruva hai, isake bAvajUda bhI paryAya utpanna hote haiM aura vyaya hote haiM / paryAya ke lie dhruva zabda nahIM kaha sakate haiM na ! dhruva ke lie to utpanna - vyaya, vizeSaNa nahIM hotA / dhruva arthAt paramAnenTa / praznakartA : to paryAya ke lie bhI isa prakAra se kahA gayA hai na ! usake paryAya utpanna hote haiM, kucha samaya taka Tikate haiM aura phira vilaya ho jAte haiN| to jo TikatA hai, vaha kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : jo TikatA hai, vaha to z2yAdA TikatA hai yA kama TikatA hai, usase koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| jo bar3hatA aura ghaTatA hai, vaha saba TemparerI meM AtA hai, dhruva meM nahIM AtA / praznakartA : vaha dhruvatA paryAya se saMbaMdhita hai hI nahIM ? dAdAzrI : dhruvatA to vastu kA svabhAva batAtI hai / vastu khuda dhruva hone ke bAvajUda bhI utpanna - laya hotA rahatA hai, paryAya ko lekara / praznakartA : avasthAoM ko jAnane ke lie, kyA avasthA ko usake svabhAva se hI jAnA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : ina sabhI avasthAoM ko kaba taka jAna sakate haiM ? jaba taka ve sthUla haiM tabhI taka / usake bAda saba svabhAva se jAnI jA sakatI haiN| avasthA kA utpanna honA, vinAza honA aura dhruva rahanA / praznakartA : vaha svabhAva dvArA hI dekhI jA sakatI hai ? hai dAdAzrI : svabhAva dvArA hI / dekhanA usakA (AtmA kA) guNa aura utpanna honA va vinAza honA usake paryAya haiN| apane paryAyoM ko vaha khuda dekha sakatA hai|

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250 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) arthAt yaha jo avasthA zabda hai na, vaha ina sthUla avasthAoM ke bAre meM nahIM likhA gayA hai, paryAyoM ke bAre meM likhA gayA hai| to inameM, ina avasthAoM meM sthUla bhI A sakatA hai| ye sthUla avasthAe~ use buddhi se hI samajha meM AtI haiN| jI rahA hai, ghUma rahA hai, aisA saba samajha sakatA hai| gItA kI yathArtha samajha praznakartA : gItA meM kRSNa bhagavAna ne aisA kahA hai ki maiM sRSTi kA sarjana karatA hU~, pAlana karatA hU~ aura usakA nAza bhI karatA huuN| dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai lekina usakA to artha hI alaga hai| ve jo kahanA cAhate haiM, vaha Apako samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| utpAta, vyaya aura dhruva, vaha Apako samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| vaha to AtmA kA eka prakAra kA svabhAva hai ki utpanna honA, dhruvatA karanA aura vinAza honaa| vaha hara eka tattva kA svabhAva hai| ataH yaha jo kahA gayA hai, vaha bhagavAna ne isIlie kahA hai ki 'maiM gItA meM yaha jo kaha rahA hU~, use haz2AroM loga par3heMge to unameM se eka vyakti isake sthUla artha ko samajhegA aura aise haz2AroM meM se ekAdha sUkSma ko samajhegA, aise haz2AroM meM se ekAdha sUkSmatara ko samajhegA aura una haz2AroM meM se ekAdha usa sUkSmatama ko samajhegA ki maiM kyA kahanA cAha rahA huuN| to bhagavAna kI kahI huI bAta kaise samajha meM A sakatI hai? kRSNa bhagavAna kyA kahate haiM? 'jJAnI hI merA AtmA hai aura vaha maiM khuda hI huuN|' jJAnI puruSa Ae~ge tabhI chuTakArA hogA, nahIM to chuTakArA nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai ki isa sRSTi kI zuruAta bhI nahIM hai aura aMta bhI nahIM hai paraMtu gItA meM to par3hA thA ki yaha sRSTi Adi meM aprakaTa, madhya meM prakaTa aura aMta meM aprakaTa hI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~! utpAda, vaha aprakaTa kahalAtA hai| phira AtA hai dhrauva, vaha prakaTa kahalAtA hai aura vyaya, vaha aprakaTa kahalAtA hai| utpAta, dhruva aura vyy| manuSya aprakaTa thA, yahA~ para janma liyA taba aprakaTa meM

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 251 se prakaTa meM AyA, vaha madhya meM prakaTa rahA, usake bAda jaba marA taba vApasa aprakaTa meM calA gyaa| vahA~ se vApasa prakaTa meM AtA hai| basa! ye sAikalsa (cakra) calatI hI rahatI haiN| praznakartA : to dAdA! to usakI mUla sthiti kyA hai ? utpatti se pahale kI sthiti kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! utpatti se pahale kI sthiti hai hI nhiiN| yaha utpatti jo hai, vaha utpatti laya hotI rahatI hai aura dhruvatA arthAt jo hamezA dikhAI detA hai, hameM prakaTa dikhAI detA hai| usa utpatti se pahale kyA hai ? to kahate haiM ki jo laya huA thA, usI meM se utpanna huA hai| utpanna meM se vApasa prakaTa huaa| yaha sAikala niraMtara calatI hI rahatI hai| praznakartA : isa prakiyA kA aMta hai yA nahIM hai yA phira calatA hI rahegA? dAdAzrI : usakA aMta hai hI nhiiN| svabhAva nahIM chUTatA na! dravya vastu kA svabhAva nahIM chUTatA na! isakA aMta kaba AtA hai? jaba, ina do tattvoM ko jo ki sAtha meM haiM, unheM 'dAdA' alaga kara dete haiM, usake bAda meM ve chUTa jAte haiN| usake bAda meM sirpha AtmA hI rhaa| ataH use duHkha nahIM hotA, anya kucha nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : to kyA mokSa ina saba se alaga sthiti hai ? dAdAzrI : ina saba se duur| ina saba se jo alaga hai, vahI mokSa kahalAtA hai aura jo ina saba se alaga hai, vahI AtmA kahalAtA hai| isa saMsAra meM to AtmA kI (ajJAna dazA kI) hI sArI sthitiyA~ haiM, aura usake paryAya haiN| ve haiM rUpaka... praznakartA : vaha jo gaoNDa aura G-O-D, janareTara, oNpareTara aura DisTraoNyara isa prakAra se jo kahate haiM, vaha aura brahmA, viSNu aura maheza,

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252 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) unameM eka ko pAlaka kahate haiM, eka ko sarjaka aura eka ko saMhAraka kahate haiM, to ina donoM meM koI sAmya hai kyA? isa bAta meM? dAdAzrI : mUla vastu AtmA hai| aba usake khuda ke jo mUla guNa haiM, unake alAvA ke jo paryAya haiM, unakA utpanna honA, vinAza honA aura AtmA khuda svabhAva se dhruva hai, isa prakAra se ina tIna cIz2oM ko rakhA gayA hai| yaha pudgala hai, yaha pudgala utpanna huA, isakA vinAza huaa| jar3a vastu bhI svabhAva se dhruva hai| isalie isa AdhAra para gaThita hai yaha saaraa| ye brahmA, viSNu, maheza kyA haiM ? vaha utpanna hotI huI jo sthiti hai, vahA~ logoM ne brahmA ko rakhA, jahA~ sarjana hotA hai, vahA~ pr| phira jahA~ visarjana aura vinAza hotA hai, vahA~ para maheza ko rakhA aura jahA~ dhruvatA hai, vahA~ para viSNu ko rkhaa| ataH brahmA, viSNu aura mhesh| phira ve mUrtiyA~ rakhIM aura phira saba loga use kahA~ taka le gae ki 'ina mUrtioM kI pUjA karanA!' apane meM ye jo tIna guNa batAe gae haiM na, pitta, vAyu aura kapha (kramazaH satva, raja va tama gunn)| bahuta sAinTiphikalI rakhA hai| yaha yoM hI nahIM rakha diyA hai, yaha bahuta hI gaharA Ayojana kiyA gayA hai| usake bAda saba ulajhA diyA! brahmA ko DhU~Dhane jAe~ to kahA~ mileMge? duniyA meM kisI jagaha para mileMge brahmA? viSNu ko DhU~Dha aao| to kyA viSNu mileMge? aura mahezvara! hama pUche ki 'kyA dhaMdhA hai unakA? vyApAra kyA hai?' taba kahate haiM, 'brahmA sarjana karate haiM, viSNu ye saba calAte haiM, poSaNa karate haiM aura ve saMhAraka, maheza saMhAra karate haiN| are bhAI! saMhAra karane vAle ke bhI kabhI paira chUne hote haiM? praznakartA : lekina dAdA, aisI kaisI kalpanA karake rakha dI ki kitane hI varSoM se vaha kalpanA calI A rahI hai ? dAdAzrI : mUla vastu kA patA nahIM cala paataa| maiMne use DhU~Dhakara aba logoM meM batAnA zurU kara diyA hai|

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 253 aisA hai isa duniyA meM jo chaH tattva haiM na, unakA utpanna aura vinAza honA, vaha avasthA ke kAraNa aura dhruvatA svabhAva ke kAraNa hai| yaha svabhAva hI hai, usI ke lie ina logoM ne eka rUpaka bnaayaa| vaha kiyA thA acchI khoz2a ke lie| acchA karane gae lekina bahuta dina bItane para to ulTA hI ho jAtA hai na phira, nahIM ho jAtA? sahI bAta ko kauna samajhAe phira? do tattvoM ke sAtha meM Ane se vizeSa bhAva huA, usase yaha jagat khar3A ho gyaa| na to brahmA hue haiM, na hI koI gar3hatA hai aura na hI gar3hane kI z2arUrata pdd'ii| yaha saba kahA~ taka ulTA calA hai? lekina loga mUla bAta se karor3oM kosa dUra cale gae haiN| lekina (AdhyAtma ke) kaoNleja meM Ate hI tattva darzana kI zuruAta ho jAtI hai ki hakIkata kyA hai, vAstavikatA kyA hai isa jagat kI? una kitAboM ko eka tarapha rakha denA par3egA, usake bAda meM rAha para A jaaegaa| z2arUrata hai| loga mA~ga rahe haiM yh| kucha navInatA mA~ga rahe haiN| pustakeM galata nahIM haiN| logoM ke lie pustakoM ko samajhanA muzkila ho gayA hai ataH vaha calA nhiiN| lekina itanA acchA huA hai ki yaha pIr3hI naI hI prakAra kI paidA huI hai na, usa pUre bIja ko, pUrI zraddhA ko hI ur3A diyA ki 'yaha saba aMdhazraddhA hI hai, aisA saba galata hai'| ise pUrA hI kATa denA acchA hai, yadi yaha yahA~ se sar3a jAe, taba yahA~ se kATa diyA jAe to utanA vaha Age bar3hanA ruka jaaegaa| mokSa meM jAnA ho to tattva aura guNa ko jAnanA va samajhanA pdd'egaa| varnA jaba taka isa saMsAra meM rahanA ho taba taka tattvoM ke dharma, paryAya aura avasthAoM ko jAnanA va samajhanA pdd'egaa| niyama, hAni-vRddhi kA praznakartA : guNa aura dharma meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : dharma hamezA hI badalatA rahatA hai aura jo guNa haiM, ve nahIM bdlte| vastuoM ke jo svAbhAvika guNa haiM, ve nahIM bdlte|

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254 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) praznakartA : hama kahate haiM na ki tattva ke guNa, dharma aura paryAya / dAdAzrI : vaha dharma hI paryAya hai| jo mUla AtmA hai, usake mUla guNa haiN| AtmA badalatA nahIM hai aura guNa bhI nahIM badalate, lekina usake dharma badalate rahate haiN| kyA badalatA rahatA hai? usakA jo jJAtA-dRSTApana hai na, usakI zuruAta kahA~ se hotI hai? anaMta bhAga vRddhi se| dUsarA asaMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi bar3hatI hai| aba asaMkhyAta bhAga vRddhi arthAt yaha jo vastu hai na, isakA asaMkhyAta bhAga arthAt bilkula bAla jitanA bhAga ho utanA bar3hatA hai| phira saMkhyAta kA matalaba kyA hai? jo usase aura Age bar3hatA hai, vaha bhaag| anaMta bhAga vRddhi thA, usameM asaMkhyAta AyA isalie phira se thor3A aura bddh'aa| asaMkhyAta anaMta bhAga se to bahuta bar3A hotA hai| phira saMkhyAta AyA arthAt bahuta bar3A ho gyaa| / usake bAda saMkhyAta guNa vRddhi| phira usase Age kA sTepa kyA hai? to vaha hai, asaMkhyAta guNa vRddhi| aura usase Age kA? vaha hai, anaMta guNa vRddhi| isa prakAra AtmA khuda apane hI svakSetra meM hai| aura usameM isa prakAra se sabhI avasthAe~ badalatI hI rahatI haiN| kyoMki kauna sI avasthA badalatI hai, ki yahA~ para darpaNa ho aura agara Apa akele Aoge to akele hI (sirpha Apa hI) dikhAI doge, agara do loga Aoge to do dikhAI doge, cAra loga Aoge to... praznakartA : cAroM dikhAI doge| dAdAzrI : aba ye sabhI avasthAe~ badalIM yA nahIM badalIM? praznakartA : bdliiN| dAdAzrI : unakA dharma badalatA rahatA hai lekina guNa nahIM bdlte| usI prakAra se siddha bhagavAna ke AtmA meM jagat jhalakatA (pratibiMbita hotA) hai aura jisa bhAga vAle loga so gae haiM, unameM kucha hilate-Dulate haiM, to unheM dekhate haiN| arthAt uSA kAla meM tIna-cAra baje anaMta bhAga vRddhi hotI hai isalie subaha kucha loga calate-phirate dikhAI dete haiN|

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(2.3) avasthA ke udaya va asta 255 usake bAda asaMkhyAta bhAga meM vRddhi hotI hai| phira saMkhyAta bhAga meM vRddhi hotI hai| phira saMkhyAta guNa vRddhi hotI hai| phira asaMkhyAta guNa vRddhi aura anaMta guNa vRddhi hotI haiN| bAraha baje to jhuMDa ke jhuMDa loga hote haiM, vaha saba usI meM jhalakatA hai|| aba pahale anaMta guNa hAni aaegii| phira asaMkhyAta guNa hAni aaegii| phira saMkhyAta guNa hAni aaegii| phira saMkhyAta bhAga haani| usake bAda asaMkhyAta bhAga hAni aura anaMta bhAga haani|* yaha usakA guNadharma hai, jo badalatA hI rahatA hai| niraMtara basa yahI hai! khuda ko kucha karane ko nahIM rhtaa| usakA dharma badalatA rahatA hai| usake aMdara jhalakatA hai| bojha nahIM hai, darpaNa ko kabhI bojha lagatA hai kyA? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : hama usake sAmane nakhare kareM to darpaNa ko nukasAna hai yA hameM nukasAna hai ? darpaNa kA nukasAna kahA jAegA kyA? samajhane jaisA hai| * upodghAta meM dRSTAMta samajhane ke lie rakhA hai|

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[4] avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' ulajhana mAtra roMga bilIpha se hai samasaraNa (saMsAra) mArga hai hI aisA ki usameM sikate hue hI jAtA hai| jaise ki pahale AphrIkA meM jAte hI kaThinAIyoM meM DAlate the lekina vaha samajha jAtA thA ki yaha bhaThThI hai aura maiM hU~, usI prakAra se AtmA ko samasaraNa mArga meM kaThinAIyoM meM se taraha-taraha kI prakriyAoM meM se guz2aranA par3atA hai| isa samasaraNa mArga para jAte hue mArga ke kAraNoM se avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiN| isase AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM hotA lekina 'vaha' mAna baiThatA hai ki maiM sika gayA huuN| jaisI prakriyAoM meM se (avasthAoM meM se) guz2aratA hai 'khuda ko' vaisA hI mAna baiThatA hai aura usa bhramaNA meM vaha jaisA ciMtana karatA hai, khuda vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| khuda ke mUla svarUpa ko jAna jAe to kucha bhI nahIM hai| bhramaNA bhI eka bhAna hai| vyavahAra rAzi meM Ane se lekara vyavahAra rAzi ke khatma hone taka avasthAe~ hI haiN| lekina aMdara jo ahaMkAra khar3A ho jAtA hai, vaha duHkha ko vedatA hai| zAtA (sukha-pariNAma) bhI vedatA hai aura azAtA (du:kha-pariNAma) ko bhI vedatA hai| usa vedana se yaha saba khar3A ho gayA hai, roMga bilIpha khar3I ho gaI hai| AtmA meM koI parivartana nahIM huA hai| AtmA apane guNa se yA apane dravya se bigar3a nahIM gayA hai lekina paryAyoM para jo asara ho gayA hai, vaha roMga bilIpha se hai| pUrA jagat tattvoM se banA huA hai, chaH tattvoM se| unakI avasthAoM ko 'yaha' (aham) khuda kA (svarUpa) mAnatA hai|

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 257 khuda avasthA meM hai aura jo dikhAI detA hai, ve saba bhI avasthAe~ haiM aura avasthAe~ ulajhana meM DAla detI haiN| vAstava meM avasthAe~ nahIM uljhaatiiN| avasthAoM ko svabhAva manavAne vAlI terI mAnyatA kI vajaha se ulajhana hai| ina avasthAoM ko hI svabhAva mAnatA hai| jabaki vaha khuda tattva hai| svabhAva arthAt tttv| ataH vaha svabhAva avinAzI hai| jabaki avasthA kA artha hai vinaashii| riyala tattva AtmA hai aura usakI jo avasthAe~ haiM, unheM vaha aisA kahatA hai ki 'maiM hI huuN'| ataH agale janma ke lie nae bIja DAlatA hai| AtmA apane svabhAva meM hI hai| jaba holI dekhatA hai, taba kahatA hai 'maiM dekha rahA thaa'| vahIM para karma baMdhana hotA hai, vAstava meM to AtmA kA svabhAva hI hai, dekhanA aura jaannaa| 'Apa' una avasthAoM ko dekhate rahate ho| ve sabhI avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM aura vastu avinAzI hai| ajJAnatA meM sabhI avasthAe~ lipaTa jAtI haiM aura phira 'khuda' jaisA thA, vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai| ___ avasthAe~ Ara oNla (sabhI) TemparerI (haiM) aura loga TemparerI meM rahate haiM, TemparerI ko dekhate haiM aura TemparerI kI bAta karate haiN| paramAnenTa meM nahIM rahe haiM, paramAnenTa ko nahIM jAnate, paramAnenTa kI bAta nahIM krte| sabhI TemparerI eDajasTamenTsa haiN| Apa varlDa meM cAhe kahIM bhI jAoge lekina TemparerI avasthAoM ke alAvA kucha bhI nahIM milegaa| avasthAoM kI bhI anaMta avasthAe~ haiM aura unakI bhI avasthAe~ haiM, jinheM vaha khuda kA svarUpa mAna baiThA hai| mUlataH usakA khuda kA jo tattva svarUpa hai, vaha paramAnenTa hai, avinAzI hai| Apa khuda hI bhagavAna ho| praznakartA : mujhe yadi yaha avinAzI tattva bananA ho to mujhe kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : Apako avinAzI bananA pdd'egaa| Apa vinAzI meM rahakara kisa taraha se kaha sakoge ki 'avinAzI hU~?

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258 AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) praznakartA : nahIM! lekina mujhe avinAzI bananA hai / dAdAzrI : hA~ ! to AnA mere pAsa, kara deNge| eka bAra avinAzI banane ke bAda vinAzI nahIM bana pAoge / isalie yadi pahale se hI cetanA ho to ceta jaanaa| praznakartA : isameM kyA khatarA hai, avinAzI banane ke bAda ? dAdAzrI : phira ye jo janmojanma ke zauka haiM, jalebI vagairaha yaha saba, khAne-pIne kA, phira vaha nahIM rahegA / phira khuda ke AtmA kA sukha milegA, svayaM sukha! sanAtana sukha, zAzvata sukha !! yaha sukha vAstava meM sukha hai hI nahIM / yaha to sirpha kalpita hai| 1 caMdUbhAI nAmaka yaha eka avasthA hai| kitane hI janmoM se use 'merI-merI' kahakara mara ge| isa jagat meM mA~gane jaisI eka hI cIz2a hai ki 'isa bhrAMti se mukta karavAo', isa jagat meM kar3ave va mIThe phala sabhI bhrAMti haiM / avasthAoM meM abhAva utpanna nahIM honA caahie| koI hameM parezAna kare taba bhI usa para abhAva nahIM honA caahie| kyoMki avasthA mAtra kudaratI racanA hai| avasthA anitya, vastu nitya avasthAe~ badalatI rahatI haiM / una avasthAoM ko jagat ke loga dekhate haiM aura unheM aisA lagatA hai ki 'ohoho ! yaha kitanA acchA dikhAI de rahA hai!' aura kitane hI loga avasthA ko dekhate haiM aura unheM ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI haiM / isa prakAra se yadi nirA koharA, koharA, koharA ho to kahegA, 'merA beTA bhI nahIM dikhAI de rahA, sAtha meM hI thA na !' are bhAI, yaha jo koharA hai, vaha to avasthA hai, abhI calI jaaegii| calI nahIM jAtIM saba ? avasthAoM ko nitya mAna letA hai / anitya vastu ko nitya mAnakara duHkhI hotA rahatA hai / yadi tattva ko pakar3a legA to khuda mukta ho jAegA, avasthAoM se Upara utthegaa| varnA taba taka vinAzI hai / yaha pUrA saMsAra avasthA se bAhara nahIM nikala sktaa| sirpha jJAnI hI nikala sakate haiN| anya kisI kI bisAta bhI nahIM hai ! manuSya sirpha

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 259 avasthAoM ko dekha sakate haiN| jaba mUla tattva ko dekhane lagegA, taba jJAnI khlaaegaa| ye jo chaH vastue~ haiM, ve avinAzI haiN| hama jaba jJAna dete haiM taba Apase kahate haiM ki 'Apa zuddha cetana ho'| taba vastu ko dekhanA zurU kara detA hai| usase kahate haiM ki 'Apane apane avinAzI bhAva ko paayaa'| jagat meM sArI avasthAe~ eka hI rUpI tattva kI dikhAI detI haiN| jaba jJAnI zuddhAtmA dikhA dete haiM taba arUpI tattva dikhAI detA hai| aisA hai, isa jagat meM Apa jo A~khoM se dekhate ho, kAnoM se sunAI detA hai, jIbha se cakha pAte ho, nAka se sUMgha pAte ho, yahA~ para sparza hotA hai, kyA ve vastue~ haiM? vaha vastu nahIM hai, vastu kI avasthAe~ haiN| Apa jo dekha rahe ho, vaha saba avasthAoM ko hI dekhA hai| tattva kI avasthAe~, pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) tattva kI avasthAe~, cetana tattva kI avasthAe~, kAla kI bhI avsthaaeN| tattva kI una sabhI avasthAoM ko dekha rahe ho aap| mUla tattva svarUpa se dekhA jAe to kalyANa ho jaaegaa| tattva dRSTi, avasthA dRSTi jaba taka usakI dRSTi avasthA vAlI hai, taba taka use jagat dikhAI degA aura jaba tattva-dRSTi ho jAegI to tattva dikhAI degaa| avasthAe~ dikhAI deMgI lekina avasthAoM ko 'vaha' khuda kI nahIM maanegaa| isa jJAna ke bAda ApakI dRSTi tattva-dRSTi ho gaI hai isalie tattva ko dekhanA sIkhe ho aura avasthAoM ko bhI dekha sakate ho lekina avasthA apanA svarUpa nahIM hai| aisA jAnate ho ki avasthA vinAzI hai, rileTiva hai| rileTiva, riyala, donoM ko dekha sakate ho na! avasthAe~ rileTiva haiM aura jo riyala hai, vaha tattva hai| praznakartA : dAdA, AtmA se to sirpha tattva ko hI dekhA jA sakatA hai na? AtmA, AtmA tattva ko hI dekhatA hai na? vaha phez2iz2a ko nahIM dekhatA na?

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260 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : jaba taka saMsArI AtmA hai, taba taka ina sabhI saMsArI cIz2oM ko dekhatA hai aura saMsArI na ho arthAt rileTiva na ho, riyala ho taba vaha AtmA, AtmA ko dekhatA hai, avinAzI cIz2oM ko hI dekhatA hai| ___ AtmA aura anAtmA, jJAnI puruSa spaSTa rUpa se alaga kara dete haiN| phira hama pahacAna sakate haiM ki yaha AtmA hai aura yaha anAtmA hai| yaha tattva svarUpa hai aura yaha avasthA svarUpa hai, aisA spaSTa rUpa se pahacAna sakate haiN| jJAna milane ke bAda zAyada agara jJAna kahIM para jJeya meM cipaka jAe to bhI tattva dRSTi se aisA lagatA hai ki yaha to caMdUbhAI kA hai, merA nahIM hai| tattva anaMta avasthA vAlA hotA hai, avasthAoM ke eliyA (heriyAM) (kisI sUrAkha meM se Ane vAlI sUrya kI kiraNeM) par3ate haiN| usa taraha se jaise sUryanArAyaNa bAdala ke pIche hote haiM, phira bhI unakI avasthA kI kiraNeM bAhara AtI haiN| kisI ko bhI jaba hama avasthA dRSTi se dekhate haiM, tabhI to hama para usakA prabhAva par3atA hai| avasthA dRSTi se hI AkarSaNa-vikarSaNa hai, tattva dRSTi se nahIM hai| avasthA meM 'maiM hU~', aisA mAnA ki turaMta hI aMdara lohacuMbaka panA utpanna ho jAtA hai aura AkarSaNa zurU ho jAtA hai| tattva dRSTi arthAt saMpUrNa dRsstti| nizcaya dRSTi arthAt tattva aura vyavahAra arthAt avsthaa| __ avasthA dRSTi se dekhoge to AkarSaNa-vikarSaNa hogA aura tattva dRSTi se dekhoge to mokSa hogaa| kisI ko tattva dRSTi se dekhoge to Apako lAbha hogA aura avasthA dRSTi se dekhoge to Apa usI meM kho jaaoge| A~khoM se (carmacakSu se) dekha-dekhakara hI to yaha pUrA jagat kho gayA hai| tattva dRSTi se sAmane vAle meM AtmA dikhAI detA hai| usa tattva dRSTi ke lie zAstroM meM likhA gayA hai ki jo use tattva dRSTi se jAnegA ki 'tila meM se tela nikalatA hai, dUdha meM se ghI nikalatA hai', vahI vaha nikAla skegaa| bhaiMsa ko bhaiMsa dekhe, gAya ko gAya dekhe to avasthA dRSTi hai aura apane mahAtmA to tattva dRSTi se (AtmA) dekhate haiN| jo tattva ko jAnate

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 261 haiM, ve tattva dRSTi se dekha sakate haiN| jo nahIM jAnate, ve tattva dRSTi se kaise dekha sakeMge? tattva dRSTi se avasthA kI kImata khatma ho jAtI hai| tattva dRSTi ho jAne para vastu dikhAI detI hai, varnA avasthA dRSTi se to kaipha car3hatA hai| OM arthAt tattva dRsstti| kisI meM bhI tattva dRSTi utpanna nahIM huI hai na! pUrA hI jagat avasthA dRSTi meM hai| kisI ne kahA hai ki 'jJAna kriyAbhyAm mokss'| hama to kriyAe~ bhI karate haiM aura jJAna kA bhI karate haiM to kyA hamArA mokSa nahIM hai?' nhiiN| kyoMki tU avasthA ko jJAnakriyA kahatA hai| avasthA kI jJAnakriyA, vaha sArA ajJAna kahalAtA hai| usase to tujhe sone kI ber3I milegii| tattva dRSTi hone ke bAda meM jJAna kriyAbhyAm mokSa kahA jAtA hai| vaha arUpI kriyA hai| jagat avasthA svarUpa se bAta karatA hai aura maiM tAttvika svarUpa se bAta karatA huuN| maiM tAttvika dRSTi se dekhatA hU~, pUrA jagat avasthA dRSTi se dekhatA hai| yaha to, avasthA ko khuda kA svarUpa mAnatA hai aura ye jo duHkha haiM, ve du:kha nahIM haiN| ye sabhI duHkha to nAsamajhI ke haiN| aura ve bhI khuda ke dvArA nimaMtrita kie hue hI haiN| pUre bar3audA meM sucAritra aura kucAritra cala rahe hoMge, lekina myunisipAliTI meM pUchakara Ao ki 'use noTa kiyA gayA hai ?' to phira jisa cIz2a ko noTa nahIM kiyA jAtA, usa bAta kI pakar3a kaisI? yadi hamArI tattva-dRSTi ho gaI hai to ve sabhI (cIjeM) avasthA mAtra haiN| jagat gar3abar3a ghoTAlA AtmA ke jo-jo paryAya utpanna hote haiM, unhIM meM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai| pichale janma meM purUSa ho aura isa janma meM strI bana jAe to hama use sahI-sahI batA deM aura usase kaheM ki tU pichale janma meM purUSa thaa| taba bhI use isa bAta kI zarma nahIM AegI ki 'maiM strI bana gayA huuN'| kyoMki vaha paryAya meM rata rahatA hai| aisA hai yaha jgt| yaha saba

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262 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) hamAre jJAna meM dikhAI detA hai| logoM para kaisA kaisA asara hotA hai, vaha saba hameM dikhAI detA hai| jaisI-jaisI avasthAe~ milatI haiM, vaisA hI usakA nAma par3a jAtA hai| paira TUTa jAe to laMgar3A, usakA nAma laMgar3A thor3e hI hai? TAipa karatA hai to ttaaipistt| ye avasthAe~ to patte kA mahala hai, TUTakara cUra-cUra ho jaaegii| sabhI loga avasthAoM meM baiThaka le lete haiN| jisa avasthA meM AtA hai na, usI avasthA kA jatana karatA rahatA hai| pUrI jiMdagI mukta rahatA hai aura Akhira meM cha: mahIne yadi jela meM DAla diyA jAe na, to 'maiM kaidI bana gayA, maiM kaidI hU~' aisA kahatA hai| zAdI karavAne para saubhAgyavatI kA sukha baratatA hai aura phira vidhavA ho jAe to vaidhavya kA duHkha utpanna hotA hai| 'maiM to vidhavA hU~' kahatI hai| are, pichale janma meM bhI to vidhavA ho gaI thI aura vApasa saubhAgyavatI ho hI gaI thI na! vidhavA bane aura saubhAgyavatI bana ge| are, yaha dakhala hI hai| aura kyA hai phira? avasthAe~ badalatI haiM, AtmA usI rUpa meM rahatA hai| AtmA meM koI badalAva nahIM hotA aura phira bhUla bhI jAte haiN| parasoM jo jhagar3A huA ho, use bhUla jAte haiM aura Aja vApasa sinemA meM ghUmane jAte haiN| hameM lagatA hai ki parasoM jaba maiM gayA thA, taba to do janoM kA jhagar3A ho rahA thA aura Aja sinemA dekhane nikale? gar3abar3a ghoTAlA hai, yaha pUrI duniyaa| phira bhI sahI hai, rileTivalI karekTa hai aura AtmA, riyalI karekTa hai| isa duniyA meM jo riyala karekTa haiM, ve saba vastue~ haiM aura jo rileTiva karekTa haiM, ve sabhI vastuoM kI avasthAe~ haiN| kathita kevalajJAna rileTiva kabhI bhI riyala nahIM bana sakatA aura jo riyala hai, vaha kabhI bhI rileTiva nahIM bana sktaa| riyala avinAzI hai aura rileTiva vinAzI hai, donoM kabhI bhI eka nahIM ho skte|

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 263 praznakartA : dAdA! yaha pUrA rileTiva svarUpa utpanna honA, jise hama caMdUbhAI kahate haiM, vaha aMdara avasthAoM ke AdhAra para hI utpanna hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~! avasthA hI hai na, bhaaii| avasthA ke AdhAra para kyA? aisA nahIM hai| avasthA hI hai caMdUbhAI kI! ajJAna meM se utpanna huI (avsthaaeN)| isa svarUpa ke ajJAna se, vizeSa jJAna se aisA saba ho gyaa| nirvizeSa jJAna se khatma ho jaaegaa| anaMta kAla se jo nahIM samajha sake ki anAdi anaMta kyA hai? Apa jo samajha nahIM sake ki jagat anAdi anaMta hai, vaha mujhe samajhAnA pdd'aa| mUla svarUpa se AtmA anAdi anaMta hai| jIva svarUpa se jIvita rahatA hai, aura maratA hai avasthA svarUpa se| jo jIvita rahatA hai, vaha Adi-aMta vAlA hai| nirbudva avasthA (mUla avasthA) anAdi anaMta hai| dvaMdva avasthA athavA dvaita avasthA, vaha jIva avasthA hai aura vaha AdiaMta hai| janma letA hai, vaha Adi hai aura maratA hai, vaha aMta hai, yaha hamArA kathita kevalajJAna hai| AtmA kI avasthA ko jIva kahA gayA hai aura vaha AtmA 'paramAnenTa' hai| jo jItA-maratA hai, vaha jIva hai ! jise 'maiM jI rahA hU~' aura aisA bhI bhAna hai ki, 'maiM mara jAU~gA', usa avasthA ko jIva kahA gayA hai| jIva tattva rUpa meM anAdi anaMta hai| atattva rUpa meM Adi-aMta hai| phez2ija (avasthA) ke taura para Adi-aMta hai| atattva arthAt phez2iz2a ke taura pr| jIva kI avasthAe~ kauna-kauna sI haiM ? avasthAoM meM jaisA AropaNa karatA hai, usa kAraNa se usakI anya avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiN| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka vaha Aropa karegA hii| __ ye vyU poinTa vAle loga khuda kI hara eka avasthA kA kisI para AropaNa karate haiN| jo jItA aura maratA hai, vaha jIva hai aura jo amara pada prApta kara

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264 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) letA hai, vaha AtmA hai| AtmA selpha hai aura jIva rileTiva selpha hai| jIva to avasthA hai| aMta meM avasthAoM kA aMta matya aura janma, donoM bhrAMti se dikhAI dete haiN| vaha sirpha mAnatA hI hai, dikhAI nahIM detaa| mAnatA hI hai ki merI mRtyu huI aura merA janma huA, merI zAdI huii| vAstava meM hakIkata meM to aisA nahIM hai| hakIkata meM vaha khuda AtmA rUpa hI hai| lekina use gA~Tha par3a gaI hai ki 'yaha maiM hI huuN| vastu utpanna nahIM hotI aura usakA vinAza bhI nahIM hotaa| vastu kI avasthAoM kA vinAza hotA hai aura ve utpanna hotI haiN| jaba bacapana Ae taba usa samaya bur3hApA nahIM hotaa| jaba javAnI AtI hai, taba bacapana nahIM rhtaa| sabhI avasthAe~ badalatI rahatI haiN| avasthAe~ niraMtara badalatI rahatI haiM lekina ve vastu nahIM hotiiN| ve to vastuoM kI sthitiyA~ haiN| aura yaha jo zarIra banatA hai, vaha to 'apanI' bhrAMti kI vajaha se aisA mAna lete haiM ki 'yaha zarIra merA hai'| agara bhrAMti chUTa jAe to zarIra milanA chUTa jaaegaa| usake bAda bhI avasthAe~ to utpanna hoMgI hii| yAnI ki jJAna aura darzana ke paryAya utpanna hoNge| koI vastu dikhAI detI hai to paryAya utpanna hote haiN| vaha vastu calI jAe to phira paryAya khatma ho jAte haiN| ataH utpanna honA, vinAza honA, vaha saba calatA hI rahatA hai| ye sabhI avasthAe~ maratI haiN| yaha jo sardI kA mausama hai, vaha mara jAegA yA nahIM maregA? usake bAda garmI ke mausama kA janma hogaa| isa prakAra se avasthAoM kI utpatti aura vinAza hotA hI rahatA hai| bhASA bhagavAna kI hai nyArI re / jo janma letA hai vaha maratA hai, jIvana eka avasthA hai, mRtyu bhI eka avasthA hai| jJAniyoM kI bhASA meM anAtmA yA AtmA, koI bhI nahIM mrtaa| avasthAe~ laya hotI haiN|

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 265 yoM logoM kI bhASA meM bilakhate haiM aura marate haiN| bhagavAna kI bhASA meM to koI maratA hI nahIM hai| bhagavAna aisA to kyA dekhate hoMge ki koI maratA nahIM hai? ina sabhI ko marate hue dikhAI dete haiM aura ye loga avasthAoM ko dekhate haiN| avasthA hamezA vinAzI hI hotI hai aura bhagavAna avasthA ko nahIM dekhate, vastu ko dekhate haiN| kala kyA hogA, vaha kahA nahIM jA sakatA, aise isa saMsAra meM eka minaTa bhI kaise bigAr3A jAe? hara kSaNa yaha zarIra badalatA rahatA hai, khuda kA svarUpa nahIM badalatA hai| ve saba loga jo phez2a ko hI 'mAi selpha' kahate haiM, unake lie aisA hI kahanA cAhie ki AtmA kartA hai aura karma kA bhoktA hai| jo phez2a ko jAnate haiM ki phez2a kaccA hai, pakkA hai, luccA hai, burI AdatoM vAlA hai, acchI AdatoM vAlA hai, ajJAnI hai, jJAnI hai phira bhI vaha phez2a hI hai| AtmA jJAnI nahIM hai, jJAnI bhI eka phez2a hai| sAdhu, sAdhu ke phez2a meM aura tapasvI, tapasvI ke phez2a meM, muni, muni ke phez2a meM haiM aura mahAtmA, mahAtmA ke phez2a meM rahe hue haiN| ajJAnatA ke mahAsAgara meM yaha jJAna hai| phez2a kI kalAe~ kyA-kyA haiM, unheM dekhate rho| praznakartA : jo guNa aura avaguNa haiM, ve iphekTa haiN| jo kaoNz2ez2a the, unakA iphekTa hai| taba yaha bAta AtI hai ki AtmA ke jo anya guNa haiM, unake kaoNz2ez2a haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, unake kaoNz2ez2a nahIM haiN| jo utpanna hotA hai aura jisakA vinAza hotA hai, vahA~ para kaoNz2ez2a aura iphekTa haiN| avasthA meM kaoNz2ez2a aura iphekTa hote haiM jabaki tattva meM nahIM hote| sthira vastu ko dekhate hI sthira praznakartA : sabhI vastuoM kA parivartana hotA hai, sabhI vastuoM kA matalaba kyA hai? yAnI ki tInoM hI kAla meM eka hI vastu rahe to use sahI mAnA jAegA na?

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) dAdAzrI : eka hI prakAra kI cIz2a rahe to bahuta boriyata ho jaaegii| eka hI prakAra kI cIz2a ko tU rakhe rakhatA hai kyA ? khuda bhI vahI rahegA to boriyata ho jAegI / ( vahI kI vahI strI ho to boriyata ho jAtI hai ?) / jo kucha bhI ho, yadi usameM vahI kA vahI rahe to boriyata hotI hai / yaha kisa AdhAra para kahA gayA hai ? kyA vahI kA vahI phira se suHkha detA hai ? isa duniyA meM hara eka cIz2a parivartanazIla svabhAva vAlI hI hai| usameM tU eka hI prakAra kA kaise DhUMDhegA ? hamezA sthira kaise DhU~DhegA tU ? praznakartA : sthira ko DhU~Dhane ke lie prazna pUchA hai / dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina jahA~ sabhI cIjeM parivartanazIla hI haiM, vahA~ 266 para... praznakartA : AtmA to sthira hai na ? dAdAzrI : nahIM! aisA to kahIM hotA hogA ? vaha bhI parivartanazIla hai| vastu ke taura para sthira hai aura avasthA ke taura para parivartanazIla hai / 'tU' yadi avasthA ko dekhegA to ghabarA jAegA jabaki vastu ko dekhegA to sthiratA utpanna hogI / vaha khuda avasthA vAlA hai aura ye avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM / unameM bhaTakatA rahatA hai| jaba mUla vastu ko dekhegA na, to phira paramAnenTa ho jaaegaa| buddhi to avasthA ko hI svarUpa manavAne kA prayatna karatI hai / to usa kSaNa yadi dAdA ko yAda karake kahA jAe ki 'maiM vItarAga hU~', to buddhi bahana baiTha jaaegii| avasthA ko 'maiM' mAnA ki patthara giregA aura usase lahareM, spaMdana paidA hoNge| zuddha AtmajJAna hone ke bAda phira kyA bAkI rahA? to kahate haiM, avasthAoM ko alaga rakhakara jAnanA hai / ye avasthAe~ para - dravya kI, I jar3a

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 267 kI haiM aura ye avasthAe~ daraasala jJAna kI haiN| jJeya kI avasthA parimANa ke anusAra jJAna prakAza kI avasthA kA parimANa rahatA hI hai| lekina una donoM avasthAoM ke bIca bhedAMkana ho jAnA caahie| isameM hameM adhikAra to sirpha jJAtA-jJeya saMbaMdha ko jAnane mAtra kA hI hai| (vyavahAra) AtmA dvArA bhrAMti se socA huA eka bhI vicAra jJAtA-jJeya ke saMbaMdha ko jAnane se hI jAegA, usake binA nahIM jA sakatA kyoMki vaha bhrAMti se hai, lekina phira bhI vaha (vyavahAra) AtmA kI upasthiti ke sTempa vAlA vicAra hai| 'sva' meM svastha, avasthA meM asvastha pUrA jagat avasthA meM svastha rahatA hai| vakIla ke pAsa jAe to vaha vakIla kahatA hai ki 'tU merA muvakkila hai'| to vaha muvakkila kI avasthA meM svastha rahatA hai| are bhAI, sva meM svastha raha! yadi avasthA meM avasthita rahegA to svastha kaise raha sakegA? jaba se garbha meM AyA, tabhI se avasthA meM hai| 'maiM' meM gayA ki avasthA meM calA jAtA hai aura yadi 'sva' meM svastha ho jAegA to prmaatmaa| avasthA mAtra kudaratI racanA hai, jisakA koI bApa bhI racane vAlA nahIM hai| vaha kudaratI racanA kyA hai, vaha sirpha maiM hI jAnatA huuN| darpaNa meM yadi pahADa dikhAI de to kyA usase darpaNa ko vaz2ana mahasUsa hogA? usI prakAra se jJAniyoM para sAMsArika avasthA kA koI asara nahIM hotaa| yadi aisA jAne ki "jo kucha bhI TemparerI hai, vaha 'merA nahIM hai" to vahI jJAna hai| sabhI paryAya zuddha hone ke bAda anaMtajJAna khlaaegaa| ye sabhI sUkSma saMyoga, anaMta paryAya haiN| unake zuddha hone para anaMtajJAnI khlaaegaa| sabhI paryAyoM ko jAnane jAe~ge to kahA~ aMta AegA? usake bajAya to 'maiM yaha hU~' aura ye sabhI paryAya haiM, itanA jAna liyA to kAma hI nikala jaaegaa|

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AptavANI - 14 ( bhAga - 1 ) AtmA kI vibhAvika avasthA ke kAraNa rAga-dveSa haiM aura svAbhAvika avasthA ke kAraNa vItarAgatA hai / 268 'ApakA' mukAma kisameM ? avasthA meM khuda ke mukAma karane se asvastha ho jAtA hai aura khuda ke svarUpa meM arthAt paramAnenTa meM rahane se svastha rahatA hai / asvasthatA Apane dekhI hai? jisa samaya taka caMdUbhAI the, taba taka asvasthatA hI thI aura aba zuddhAtmA meM A gae, arthAt khuda ke svarUpa meM rahate ho to svastha / jaba taka aisA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' to vaha avasthA khlaaegii| 'paTela hU~' to vaha avasthA hai, 'maiM pacAsa sAla kA hU~' to vaha avasthA hai, 'maiM egjIkyUTiva iMjIniyara hU~', vaha avasthA hai, sabhI avasthAe~ haiN| una avasthAoM meM svasthatA nahIM raha sakatI / loga pUchate haiM ki 'svastha ho na ?' taba kahate haiM ki 'nahIM bhAI, svastha kaisA ? asvastha' / jo avasthA meM mukAma karatA hai, vaha kaisA hotA hai ? asvastha / niraMtara, eka kSaNa bhI cUke bagaira vastu meM mukAma karegA to svastha rhegaa| cAhe pradhAnamaMtrI ho, presiDenTa ho yA koI bhI ho, asvastha ! niraMtara ! praznakartA: dAdAjI ! isameM bAta aisI hai ki asvastha meM rahane ke lie koI prayatna nahIM karanA par3atA / svastha meM jAte haiM, kSaNika usameM rahate haiM aura phira vApasa asvastha meM A jAte haiM / yahI parezAnI hai / dAdAzrI : parezAnI kaisI isameM ? asvasthatA meM burA kyA hai ? praznakartA: nahIM ! hameM svastha meM jAnA hai, usameM adhika rahanA hai I dAdAzrI : vaha to phira jaba se Apa taya kareMge, tabhI se svastha raha paaeNge| ye mana-vacana-kAyA kI avasthAe~, jitanA hama inameM mukAma karate haiM, utane hI asvastha rahate haiM, niraMtara aMtaradAha jalatA hI rahatA hai aura sva meM, tattva svarUpa meM mukAma kareMge to svastha raha pAe~ge /

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 269 avasthAoM kA to niraMtara samasaraNa hotA hI rahatA hai, bahatI hI rahatI haiN| AtI haiM, rahatI haiM aura calI jAtI haiN| usameM sukha aura zAMti kahA~ hai? ina avasthAoM meM hama tattva svarUpa se hI rahate haiN| jahA~ para ThIka lage, vahA~ para mukAma krnaa| eka kSaNa ke lie bhI koI jIva avasthA rahita nahIM ho sktaa| bhrAMti se avasthA ko hI, khuda hai, aisA mAna letA hai| koI bhI avasthA jo utpanna hotI hai, vaha gunahagArI kI hai| avasthAoM se baMdhe hue loga vyavahAra sukha bhI nahIM bhoga skte| eka ghaMTe pahale kisI avasthA meM citta ekAgra ho jAe to usI meM citta rahatA hai arthAt avasthA se baMdhe hue ko bojha rahatA hai aura cAya pIne kI avasthA ke samaya usa bojha meM rahakara cAya pItA hai| logoM ko AtmA ke paryAya se bAhara kI bahuta par3I hotI hai| arthAt mUrchA meM ghUmate rahate haiN| lekina kitane hI loga Develapa ho cuke haiM, isIlie unheM mUrchA meM acchA nahIM lagatA aura dUsarI tarapha AtmA bhI nahIM mila paataa| to dinoMdina vaha paryAya patalA hotA jAtA hai, sUkSma hotA jAtA hai| paryAya ke sUkSma hone ke bAda usase sahana hI nahIM hotaa| eka ghaMTe meM to kitane hI vicAra A jAte haiM ! vaha bIca meM laTaka jAtA hai| aisoM se maiM kahatA hU~ ki 'bhAI, jA tU vApasa moha meM calA jA aura moTe paryAya meM par3A rh'| moTe paryAya vAle ArAma se sote haiM aura kharrATe lete haiN| sUkSma paryAya vAle ko to nIMda hI nahIM aatii| loga avasthA meM hI mukAma karate haiM yAnI phaoNrena ko hI homa mAna baiThe haiN| usI kI vajaha se ye duHkha haiN| yadi homa ko homa mAne aura phaoNrena ko phaoNrena mAne to koI duHkha nahIM rhegaa| jisa samaya jisa avasthA meM hotA hai na, usa avasthA ko nitya (hamezA kI) aura satya mAna letA hai aura ulajhatA rahatA hai| binA bAta ke ulajhana, ulajhana aura ulajhana / avasthA kI bhajanA (usa rUpa honA, bhakti) na karane vAle kitane haiM ? sAdhu-sanyAsI vagairaha sabhI avasthAoM kI hI bhakti karate rahate haiN|

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270 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) palaka kA jhapakanA bhI avasthA subaha uThane se lekara rAta ko sone taka sabhI kriyAe~ mAtra avasthAe~ haiN| dehadhArI kI, janma se mRtyu taka kI sabhI kriyAe~, jo AkhoM se dikhAI nahIM detIM aura jinake lie hama aisA nahIM mAnate haiM ki ve saMyogika pramANoM ke AdhAra para hI hotI haiM, ve sabhI avasthAe~ haiN| jitanA bhI udaya va asta vAlA hai, ve sabhI avasthAe~ haiN| kitanI dera taka rahegA, vaha kaha nahIM skte| A~khoM kA jhapakanA bhI avasthA hai| A~khoM ko yadi hameM khuda jhapakAnA ho to kyA dazA hogI? sATha ke badale do sau bAra ho jaaegaa| aisA hai| praznakartA : avasthA aura insiDenTa meM kyA pharka hai? dAdAzrI : insiDenTa meM avasthA samA jAtI hai, lekina avasthA meM insiDenTa nahIM smaataa| koI kucha nahIM karatA, koI phUla car3hAe to vaha usakI avasthA hai, patthara mAre to vaha bhI usakI avasthA hai| jaba aMdara se phUla ke paramANu ur3ate haiM taba usI samaya bAhara se phUla Ate haiM aura aMdara patthara jaise paramANu ur3ate haiM to bAhara se patthara Ate haiN| samaya para A milatA hai| kyA aham vinAzI hai? koI avasthA pasaMda ho to usake saMyoga mila jAte haiN| sabhI avasthAe~ badalatI rahatI haiN| koI bhI avasthA nitya nahIM rahatI kyoMki ve saMyoga haiN| aura saMyoga viyogI svabhAva ke hote haiN| sammelana se saMyoga aura visarjana se galana hotA hai| ina A~khoM se tattva nahIM dikhAI dete, sirpha avasthAe~ dikhAI detI haiN| khuda apane tattvoM ko nahIM jAnatA, avasthAoM ko jAnatA hai aura sabhI avasthAe~ nAzavaMta haiN| logoM kI kada kAThI badalegI, veza badaleMge, sabakucha badalegA

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 271 lekina nayA kucha nahIM hogA, mAtra avasthAe~ bdleNgii| avasthAe~ aura khuda alaga nahIM dikhAI dete| soca aura socane vAlA, donoM alaga nahIM dikhAI dete| jaba taka jJAna nahIM milatA taba taka Apako sabhI meM ye eka sAtha hI dikhAI dete haiN| AtmA alaga hI hai| jisameM avasthAe~ nahIM badaleM vaha saMsAra kahalAegA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : dAdA! Apane kahA ki tattvoM ke ikTaThe hone se avasthAe~ badalatI rahatI haiM, una avasthAoM kI vajaha se jo aham khar3A hotA hai, kyA vaha aham bhI badalatA hogA? usa samaya kyA kisI meM kama yA jyAdA rahatA hogA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ve jo avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiM na, unakA to turaMta hI vinAza ho jAtA hai| aura yaha aham vagairaha jo saba utpanna hue haiM na, to ve to ina do cIz2oM ke ikaTThe hone se vyatireka guNa utpanna hotA hai| usase ahaMkAra khar3A ho jAtA hai (vaha kevalajJAna hone taka rahatA hai)| badalatI haiM avasthAe~ pala-pala AtmA trikAlavartI hai| bhAva trikAlavartI nahIM haiM, avasthAvartI haiN| jo avasthAvartI hai, vaha cetana nahIM hai| jo avasthAvartI nahIM hai, vaha cetana hai| ina moTara, baMgale aura z2amIna ko agara hama abhI nahIM chor3eMge phira bhI eka dina to inheM chor3akara jAnA hI pdd'egaa| eka mAtra saccidAnaMda karane jaisA hai| (vinAzI moha ko chor3akara AtmA kI bhakti karane jaisA hai|) guNa nahIM badalate, paryAya badalate haiN| Aja dUdha mIThA lagatA hai lekina dUsare dina khaTTA lagane lagatA hai| phira use sUMghanA bhI acchA nahIM lgtaa| paramANu mAtra pratyeka kSaNa badalate hI rahate haiN| kapAsa ke paudhe boe to aMkura ugane para vaha khuza ho jAtA hai| lekina usake khatma hone taka anaMta avasthAe~, acchI-burI avasthAe~

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272 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) aaeNgii| aMta meM zAyada bahuta acchA bhI uge yA atyaMta ThaMDa bhI par3a jaae| usI prakAra se isa saMsAra meM pratyeka kSaNa avasthA vAlA hai| pratyeka kSaNa avasthAe~ badalatI hI rahatI haiN| jaba baccA so rahA ho aura usa avasthA meM saba ke bIca usakA apamAna kiyA jAe to use koI parezAnI nahIM hogI aura dUsarA isa jJAna dazA meM apamAna se koI parezAnI nahIM hotii| rahI bIca vAlI avsthaa| indriya pratyakSa avasthA meM hI saba dakhala hai| 'merA-terA' batAtA hai, usameM z2arA sA apamAna karane se parezAna ho jAtA hai| mana kI avasthA, vacana kI avasthA aura kAyA kI avasthA se bAhara kucha bhI nahIM hotA hai| jisa para iphekTa hotA hai, use samajhanA hai| avasthA kA samabhAva se nikAla (nipaTArA) kara denA caahie| usI prakAra se jaba gAr3ha karma vAlI avasthAe~ Ae~ taba turaMta hI unameM se nikala jAnA caahie| avasthAe~ nizcetana cetana haiN| hama khuda zuddha cetana haiN| avasthAoM ko dekhanA hai| Apa avasthAoM meM cipaka jAte ho isalie duHkhI ho jAte ho, isIlie AnaMda nahIM aataa| __ jaba rAta ko so jAte ho taba kArakhAnA dikhAI detA hai aura phira jhaMjhaTa karate ho| isa prakAra jo jhaMjhaTa karate ho, ve saba bhI avasthAe~ haiN| jor3a-bAkI apane Apa hI kudaratI rUpa se hote rahate haiN| usameM tU ikaTThA kyoM kara rahA hai ? naoNrmala z2arUratoM se adhika kucha bhI ikaTThA nahIM karanA caahie| indriyA~ bhI avasthAe~ haiM aura vaha vastuoM se gar3hI huI hai| unameM tattva nahIM dikhAI dete| jisa mIla taka pahu~cA hai, usa mIla kA dikhAI detA hai| vaha mIla usakI avasthA hai| yaha pUrA jagat gaNita hI hai| AtmA gaNita nahIM hai| kisI bhI avasthA meM ar3atAlIsa minaTa se adhika nahIM raha sakate, aisA naicurala niyama hai| ghar3I meM bar3A kA~TA hara minaTa para ghUmatA rahatA hai, vaha ghar3I nahIM paraMtu usakI avasthA hai| yaha duniyA aisI nahIM hai ki kisI bhI eka avasthA meM saiMtAlIsa minaTa aura unasaTha sekanDa se adhika

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 273 raha skeN| avasthA meM rahane se usakA phala kyA AtA hai ? pUrA hI manuSya janma, yA phira devagati yA phira tiryaMca yA narkagati kA phala AtA hai| jJAna se hI niber3A aaegaa| jJAna meM yadi eka pratizata bhI pharka ho taba bhI vaha kahIM kA kahIM calA jaaegaa| hama to prAkRta svabhAva kA nikAla karane baiThe haiM jabaki jagat prAkRta svabhAva ko 'merA-merA' karatA hai| hama saba to usake jJAtA-dRSTA rahate haiN| hamane cakhI haiM duniyA bhara kI avasthAe~ bhagavAna ne sva meM svastha rahane ke lie kahA hai jabaki loga avasthA meM rahakara asvastha ho gae haiN| pUrA hI jagat avasthA meM ramA huA hai aura usI meM tanmayAkAra rahatA hai| isalie avasthA ko bhogane ke lie cauryAsI lAkha yoni meM bhaTakate rahanA par3atA hai| tyAgI-tapasvI, sAdhusAdhvI, AcArya-upadezaka aura zAstrakAra vagairaha sabhI avasthAoM meM hI tanmayAkAra rahate haiN| ___ 'hamane' sabhI avasthAe~ cakhakara dekha lI haiN| kucha bhI cakhanA bAkI nahIM rakhA hai| hAthI banakara ghUmA, madamasta aura mada bhI TapakatA thaa| aura usake bacce kA nAma bhI madaniyA (gujarAtI meM hAthI ke bacce ko madaniyA kahate haiN)| maiMne usake bacce ko bhI dekhA hai| maiMne socA, 'usakA baccA kitanA bar3A hotA hai!' apane yahA~ to bAlaka itanA sA hotA hai jabaki usakA baccA to itanA bar3A! madaniyA! are madanalAla, kyA bAta kareM ApakI? mdniyaa| vaha bhI patA lagAkara AyA thaa| madaniyA thA na, to maiMne kahA, 'dekhakara to Ane do'| isa duniyA ke lobhI loga lobha kI vajaha se dekhane nahIM jAte lekina mujhe lobha nahIM hai, mujhe dekhakara Ane to do| duniyA dekhanI to cAhie na? hamAre loka meM hamArI iz2z2ata hai| hamArA loka nitya loka hai| ye loga to avasthAoM meM rahate haiN| ina logoM meM hamArI AbarU nahIM hai| hama kisI bhI avasthA meM nahIM rahate haiN| deha kI avasthAoM, prakRti kI avasthAoM meM rahane vAle, ve to isa duniyA ke loga haiN| agara manapasaMda avasthA meM tanmayAkAra ho jAe taba bhI vaha pasaMdIdA

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274 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) (karma) bA~dhatA hai aura nApasaMda avasthA meM tanmayAkAra nahIM hotA to taba bhI vaha nApasaMdagI vAlA (karma) bA~dhatA hai (ajJAnI ke lie)| avasthAoM meM tanmayAkAra rahane ke bAvajUda bhI yadi hameM namaskAra karane meM tanmayAkAra hogA to bhI usakA kAma ho jAegA aura usakA kalyANa ho jaaegaa| jo avasthA mAtra se mukta ho cukA hai, vahI mukti de sakatA hai| jaba taka jJAnI puruSa muhara na lagA deM, taba taka aisI avasthA (sAdhaka avasthA) utpanna nahIM ho sktii| sAdhaka avasthA kA phala hai, siddha avsthaa| varnA pUre dina ulTA hI karatA rahatA hai| avasthA meM cipaka jAtA hai citta vahA~ jisa avasthA kI Ahuti, svAhA ho gaI, usake ghAva nahIM lgte| ghAva kisalie lagate haiM ? to kahate haiM, lakSa (jAgRti) se| ataH jina avasthAoM meM lakSa gayA, vahA~ para ghAva ho jAtA hai aura usameM lakSa nahIM jAe to vaha avasthA svAhA ho jAtI hai, jAgRti yajJa meN| lakSa kA niyama aisA hai na ki jahA~ para lakSa baiThatA hai, phira vaha bAra-bAra vApasa vahIM para jAtA hai| sabhI kucha badala jAtA hai lekina lakSa nahIM bdltaa| hama alakha kA lakSa baiThA dete haiM, usake bAda avasthAoM meM lakSa nahIM rahatA aura nikAla ho jAtA hai| jisa avasthA ke jitane adhika ghAva par3ate haiM, vahI avasthA hamAre pAsa adhika se adhika maMDarAtI rahatI hai, makkhI kI trh| agara koI kahe ki mujhe anubhava kyoM nahIM hotA hai? to vaha isalie ki lakSa ke jitane ghAva par3e hue haiM, ve bhare nahIM haiN| ye ghAva jJAnabhASA ke sUkSma ghAva haiN| kitane hI ghAva to aise bhI hote haiM ki pIpa nikalatA hI rahatA hai| jaise-jaise ye sabhI ghAva bharate jAe~ge, vaise-vaise anubhava hotA jaaegaa| rileTiva meM kaisA hai ki eka ghAva bharane ke lie vahA~ se lakSa uThAkara dUsarI jagaha para lakSa baiThA detA hai, taba pahale vAlA ghAva bharane lagatA hai lekina jahA~ para nayA lakSa rakhA, vahA~ para vApasa nayA ghAva ho jAtA hai| pUrva janma meM jina paryAyoM kA khUba vedana kiyA ho, aba ve adhika

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 275 Ate haiM, taba citta vahA~ para cipakA rahatA hai| ghaMToM taka, guMThANe (48 minaTsa, guNasthAnaka) bhI bIta jAte haiN| jo paryAya patale ho cuke haiM, una paryAyoM para citta adhika nahIM cipktaa| cipakatA hai aura alaga ho jAtA hai| kisI bhI avasthA ke prati Asakti rahe, aise vicAra A rahe hoM to use kaha denA hai ki 'terA aura merA saMbaMdha mAtra jJeya aura jJAtA kA hai, aba zAdI nahIM karanI hai| aisA kahate hI vaha avasthA aura vicAra cale jaaeNge| khuda kI ulTI samajha kI vajaha se zAdI karatA hai (ekAkAra hotA hai) isalie use sahana karanA par3atA hai| tanmayAkAra hotA jAtA hai isalie saMsAra cipaka gayA hai| kucha khAsa avasthAe~ hI cipakAtI haiM / mIThI tathA kar3avI, donoM avasthAe~ cipakAtI haiM, jaba mIThI aura kar3avI, donoM avasthAe~ cipakAe~, usa samaya lakSa meM rahanA cAhie aura bolanA cAhie ki 'ye merI haiM hI nahIM, to ve calI jaaeNgii| mokSa meM jAne kA jo pramANapatra hai, usameM kisI bhI kriyA ko nahIM dekhA jaataa| mAtra vItarAgatA ko hI dekhA jAtA hai| dakhala kise kahate haiM? agara koI bhI avasthA Ae aura usameM citta kucha dera ke lie cipaka jAe to vaha dakhala hai| yAtrA meM cAhe kaisI bhI avasthA Ae to bhI hama cipake nahIM haiN| hama avasthA ko khar3A nahIM rahane dete| tIna minaTa ke lie khar3A rakheMge to sabhI kI lAina laga jaaegii| samajha meM A rahA hai na yaha? apane mahAtmAoM ko vItarAgatA rahatI hai, lekina daraasala nahIM rhtii| Ahuti, pratyeka avasthA kI duniyA bhara (ke logoM) meM koI bhI avasthA svAhA hokara nahIM jAtI lekina bIja DAlakara jAtI hai aura isa prakAra jaba aMtima pauna ghaMTA bacatA hai taba sabhI DAle hue bIjoM ke hisAba A jAte haiM aura jisa prakAra ke bIja z2yAdA DAle haiM, agale janma meM vahIM para jAtA hai|

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276 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) duniyA ke loga hara eka avasthA meM, mana kI, vANI kI yA kAyA kI avasthA meM lAkhoM bIja DAla dete haiN| unameM tIna haz2Ara gehU~ DAlatA hai aura bAkI ke kUca (jaMgalI paudhA) ke| avasthA utpanna hotI hai taba bIja DalatA hI hai lekina jJAna ke bAda meM avasthAoM kA nikAla hotA jAtA haiM, svAhA hotI jAtI haiN| avasthAe~ DiscArja hotI rheNgii| hameM yaha dekhanA hai ki cArja na hoN| bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'oNna da momenTa jo avasthAe~ ho gaIM unameM raha aura jo avasthAe~ huIM aura calI gaI haiM, unake lie tU jhaMjhaTa mata krnaa| avasthAe~ bicArI bholI hotI haiN| jaba AtI haiM taba unase kahanA ki 'bahana! A gaI? aba jAo, dUsarI ko Ane do'| koI gAlI de to aMdara avasthA bigar3a jAtI hai| yadi AtmA usa avasthA ko jAne to avasthA svAhA ho jaaegii| avasthA ko jitanA jAnA, utanI hI svAhA ho jAtI hai| jitanI raha jAtI haiM, ve to phira bAda meM mitteNgii| aMdara mana bigar3a jAe to phira mana se kahakara pratikramaNa karake miTA sakate haiN| jaba taka kAgaz2a para likhA huA posTa meM nahIM DAla dete, taba taka miTA sakate haiN| ___ avasthA to pratikSaNa badalatI hai na! hara eka avasthA meM, ajJAna dazA meM bIja DalatA hI rahatA hai| lekina jaba jJAna se jAgRta avasthA meM hara eka avasthA svAhA ho jAtI hai taba phira se saMsAra baMdhana nahIM hotaa| apanA yaha jJAna aisA hai ki isase viSaya kA virecana hotA hai| aMdara vicAra Ate hI avasthA utpanna ho jAtI hai aura turaMta hI usakI Ahuti de dI jAtI hai| kyoMki vaha khuda kI avasthA ke gunahagAra ko DhU~Dha hI nikAlatA hai| pratyeka avasthA kI Ahuti svAhA, yaha aMtima AdhyAtmika yajJa hai| svAhA arthAt saMpUrNa jalA detA hai| rAz2I khuzI se avasthA meM tanmayAkAra ho jAe to dakhala ho jAtI hai| usase nayA citraNa karatA hai aura nae

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 277 bIja DAlatA hai| kisI para z2arA sA bhI Aropa lagAoge to usakA phala bhugatanA pdd'egaa| Aropa kA phala bhayaMkara hai| samabhAva se nikAla arthAt avasthAoM kI Ahuti denI hai| yaha aMtima prakAra kA mahAyajJa hai| yadi vANI kI, mana kI aura kAyA kI avasthAoM meM niraMtara jAgRta rahakara (avasthAoM kI Ahuti rUpI) mahAyajJa meM svAhA kiyA jAe (avasthAoM kA jJAtA-dRSTA rahe) to AtmA para jo paryAya cipake hue haiM, ve alaga hote jAe~ge aura utanA hI khuda paramAtmA svarUpa hotA jaaegaa| sarva avasthAoM meM ni:zaMka samAdhAna isa jagat kI sabhI avasthAe~ anaMta haiM, lekina mana kI avasthAe~ anaMta gunA anaMta haiN| jo unameM se alaga huA, vaha chUTa jaaegaa| ataH jisase mana kA samAdhAna ho (mana kI avasthAoM kA), vahI jJAna saccA hai| kAla ko bhI zarma A jAe, aisA g2az2aba kA jJAna utpanna huA hai aura vaha bhI sAinTiphika hai| mana kI anaMta-anaMta avasthAoM meM bhI samAdhAna ho jAe, aisA hai yaha jnyaan| loga mana kI avasthAoM meM ulajha jAte haiM, isalie kahate haiM ki bhagavAna ulajhA rahe haiN| apanA jJAna hI aisA hai ki rAga-dveSa hote hI nahIM haiN| phira ve avasthAe~ bhI samAdhAnakArI nahIM hotiiN| apane yahA~ kyA likhA hai ? sarva avasthA meM ni:zaMka samAdhAna / ataH apanA yaha jJAna kaisA hai ki hara eka avasthA meM ni:zaMka samAdhAna hI rahatA hai| isa jagat meM to kaisA hai? to kahate haiM ki yadi jeba kaTa jAe to Dipresa ho jAtA hai, samAdhAna nahIM rahatA aura koI phUla car3hAe to eliveTa ho jAtA hai| ina sabhI avasthAoM meM Dipresa aura eliveTa saba hotA rahatA hai| jaba khuza hotA hai to car3ha (eliveTa ho) jAtA hai| praznakartA : aisA kyoM hotA hai ki vItarAga puruSa kI gairahAz2irI meM avasthA meM asvastha ho jAte haiM? ApakI gairahAz2irI hotI hai to phira asvastha ho jAte haiM aura ApakI hAz2irI meM svastha rahate haiN|

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278 AptavANI-14 (bhAga-1) dAdAzrI : hAz2irI meM to svastha raheMge hii| yaha jo asvastha rahate ho, vaha to ApakI buddhi asvastha rakhavAtI hai aura jaba taka buddhi hai, taba taka ahaMkAra hai| vaha jo ahaMkAra vAlI buddhi hai, vaha asvastha karavAtI hai| usakA enDa A jAegA to avastha rahane kA koI kAraNa nahIM rhegaa| yA phira pUre dina jJAnI puruSa ke pAsa baiThe rahoge to bhI asvastha hone kA kAraNa nahIM rhegaa| praznakartA : bhautika prakAra se, phiz2ikalI to vaha saMbhava nahIM hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, saMbhava nahIM hai phira bhI jitanA lAbha mila sake, utanA ThIka hai| varnA jaba khuda kI buddhi aura ahaMkAra khatma ho jAe~ge, nikAla karate-karate, to phira apane Apa hI opanalI, sApha-sApha, svasthatA hI rhegii| niraMtara sva meM rahegA to svsthtaa| ___avasthA meM svasthatA, vahI asvasthapana hai aura sva meM svasthatA, vaha hai svsthpn| loga asvastha kyoM rahate haiM? kyoMki ve sadA avasthA meM hI rahate haiN| ve loga ajJAna avasthAoM ko potApana (apanA) mAnate haiN| avasthAoM meM aisA dekhate haiM ki 'maiM hI huuN'| jJAnI puruSa avasthA ko dekhate haiM aura jAnate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, hameM adaMra se jo AnaMda hotA hai to vaha eka vicAra hai yA avasthA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha avasthA hai| praznakartA : to usa avasthA ko hameM pakar3e rakhanA hai yA jAne denA hai aura dUsarI avasthA ko dekhate rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to apane Apa hI calI jaaegii| hama pakar3akara rakheMge to bhI calI jaaegii| hama nahIM pakar3eMge to bhI calI jaaegii| usake bajAya usa avasthA se aisA kahanA ki 'vApasa AnA, hameM lAbha denaa'| nikAla lenA kAma re AtmA ke guNoM ko jAnA hI nahIM hai| jo AtmA ke sabhI guNoM

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(2.4) avasthAoM ko dekhane vAlA 'khuda' 279 ko jAne, ve bhedavijJAnI kahalAte haiN| ye jo AtmA ke guNa haiM na, unameM se sAre anAvRta nahIM hue haiM, ve saba hama meM haiN| hama (1958 meM jJAna huA tabhI se) aThAIsa sAloM se AtmA meM rahate haiN| isa deha ke mAlika nahIM haiN| praznakartA : aba aisA to kisI ne abhI taka nahIM kahA hai| dAdAzrI : yaha to akrama vijJAna hai na! praznakartA : sabhI loga sabhI jagaha taka pahu~ce haiM, lekina yahA~ taka nahIM pahu~ca pAe haiN| dAdAzrI : isalie aba kAma nikAla lene jaisA hai| tabhI to hama isa taraha AvAz2a lagA-lagAkara kahate haiM na ki, 'kAma nikAla lo, kAma nikAla lo, kAma nikAla lo'|

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mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda pudgala : jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai upAdhi : bAhara se AnevAlA duHkha galana : DiscArja honA, khAlI honA pUraNa : cArja honA, bharanA nirjarA : Atma pradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA amala : asara bhajatA : usa rUpa honA, bhakti UparI : baoNsa, variSTha mAlika saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA : nayA karma bIja nahIM DaleM, binA karmaphala pUrA ho jAnA aphATa : jo TUTe yA phaTe nahIM ajaMpA : becainI, azAMti, ghabarAhaTa nikAla : nipaTArA vargaNA : karmaraja zAtA : sukha-pariNAma azAtA : duHkha-pariNAma eliyA (heriyAM) : kisI sUrAkha meM se Ane vAlI sUrya kI kiraNeM lakSa : jAgRti guMThANe : 48 minaTsa, guNasthAnaka

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( dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM / hindI 1. jJAnI puruSa kI pahacAna 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 2. sarva duHkhoM se mukti 28. pati-patnI kA divya vyavahAra 3. karma kA siddhAMta 29. kleza rahita jIvana Atmabodha 30. guru-ziSya 5. maiM kauna hU~? 31. ahiMsA 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara svAmI 32. satya-asatya ke rahasya 7. bhugate usI kI bhUla 33. camatkAra 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 34. pApa-puNya 9. TakarAva TAlie 35. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 10. huA so nyAya 36. karma kA vijJAna 11. ciMtA 37. sahajatA 12. krodha 38. AptavANI - 1 pratikramaNa 39. AptavANI - 2 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 40. AptavANI - 3 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 41. AptavANI - 4 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 42. AptavANI - 5 18. trimaMtra 43. AptavANI - 6 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 44. AptavANI - 7 20. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA vyavahAra 45. AptavANI - 8 21. prema 46. AptavANI - 9 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (saM.) 47. AptavANI - 13 (pUrvArdha va uttarArdha) 23. dAna 48. AptavANI - 14 (bhAga-1) 24. mAnava dharma 49. samajha se prApta brahmacarya (pUrvArdha va 25. sevA-paropakAra uttarArdha) 26. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt 50. jJAnI puruSa dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI kaI pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotA hai|

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