Aptavani Shreni 08

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Dada Bhagwan Aradhana Trust
Catalog link: https://jainqq.org/explore/030019/1

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phra 55 AptavANI zreNI - 8

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dAdA bhagavAna prarUpita AptavANI zreNI-8 mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna hindI anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa

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samarpaNa anaMta kAla bItA huA nahIM prakaTa 'jJAnI' ke binA, kauna 'jJAnI' ke darzana se mila jAe aho ! aho ! anupama abheda Atma darzana, khole sudarzana? yadi nijadarzana, vizvadarzana ! dRSTi par3ate hI dikhAe, ulTe ko sIdhA, bujhAe aMtaradAha kI avirata jvAlA, ThokareM rukI haiM aba, hote hI jJAna ujAlA, saMsArI duHkha abhAva, sanAtana sukha puSpamAlA / 'jJAnI' meM prakaTA jo, 'yaha' darzana nirAvaraNa, anaMta bheda se, pradezoM se, dikhA Atma tatva, nija doSa dikhAe, sUkSmatara aura sUkSmatama, 'darzana' hai kevaLa kA, aTakA cAra aMza se 'jJAna' 'isa' darzana se khule mokSa mArga isa duSamakAla, hara kadama para dikhAyA prakAza parama hita kAja, baMdhana tur3avAe, dRSTi badalAe, 'dAdA' darzana Aja ! AptavANI ke rUpa meM samarpaNa jagat kalyANArtha Aja ! m

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trimaMtra

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( dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM ) hindI 1. jJAnI purUSa kI pahacAna 21. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA vyavahAra 2. sarva duHkhoM se mukti 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya 3. karma kA siddhAMta 23. dAna 4. Atmabodha 24. mAnava dharma 5. maiM kauna hU~? 25. sevA-paropakAra 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara 26. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura svAmI pazcAta 7. bhUgate usI kI bhUla 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 28. pati-patnI kA divya 9. TakarAva TAlie vyavahAra 10. huA so nyAya 29. kleSa rahita jIvana 11. ciMtA 30. ahiMsA 12. krodha 31. satya-asatya ke rahasya 13. pratikramaNa 32. camatkAra 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 33. pApa-puNya 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 34. vANI, vyavahAra meM... 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 35. karma kA vijJAna 17. jagata kartA kauna? 36. AptavANI - 1 18. trimaMtra 37. AptavANI - 4 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 38. AptavANI - 5 20. prema 39. AptavANI - 8 * dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigez2Ina prakAzita hotI hai|

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dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba chaH baje kA samaya, bhIr3a se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai ? karma kyA ? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kaoNnTraikTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle, phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa ! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga kahA / akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna ?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate haiM ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai, ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hue haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiM | dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiM / ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hue haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisIke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA, balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the / 6

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AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| bAda meM anugAmI cAhie yA nahIM cAhie? bAda meM logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thii| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ usI prakAra mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thiiN| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAna prApti ke bAda haz2AroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, z2immedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|

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nivedana AtmavijJAnI zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, jinheM loga 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke nAma se bhI jAnate haiM, unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake , saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| jJAnI puruSa saMpUjya dAdA bhagavAna ke zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahArajJAna saMbaMdhI vibhinna viSayoM para nikalI sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa AptavANI meM huA hai, jo naye pAThakoM ke lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda meM yaha vizeSa dhyAna rakhA gayA hai ki vAcaka ko dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai, aisA anubhava ho, jisake kAraNa zAyada kucha jagahoM para anuvAda kI vAkya racanA hindI vyakaraNa ke anusAra truTipUrNa laga sakatI hai, parantu yahA~ para Azaya ko samajhakara par3hA jAe to adhika lAbhakArI hogaa| jJAnI kI vANI ko hindI bhASA meM yathArtha rUpa se anuvAdita karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai kintu dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogaa| jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, vaha isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai|| prastuta pustaka meM kaI jagahoM para koSThaka meM darzAye gaye zabda yA vAkya parama pUjya dAdAzrI dvArA bole gaye vAkyoM ko adhika spaSTatApUrvaka samajhAne ke lie likhe gaye haiN| jabaki kucha jagahoM para aMgrejI zabdoM ke hindI artha ke rUpa meM rakhe gaye haiN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM rakhe gaye haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hindI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlAMki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda artha ke rUpa meM koSThaka meM aura pustaka ke aMta meM bhI diye gaye haiN| anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN|

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AptavANiyoM ke hindI anuvAda ke lie parama pUjya dAdAzrI kI bhAvanA 'ye AptavANiyA~ eka se ATha chapa gaI haiN| dUsarI caudaha taka taiyAra honevAlI haiM, caudaha bhaag| ye AptavANiyA~ hindI meM chapa jAe~ to sAre hindustAna meM phaila jaaeNgii|' - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdA bhagavAna (dAdAzrI) ke zrImukha se Aja se paccIsa sAla pahale nikalI yaha bhAvanA aba phalita ho rahI hai| AptavANI-8 kA hindI anuvAda Apake hAthoM meM hai| bhaviSya meM aura bhI AptavANiyoM tathA graMthoM kA hindI anuvAda upalabdha hogA, usI bhAvanA ke sAtha jaya sccidaanNd| pAThakoM se... * 'AptavANI' meM mudrita pAThyasAmagrI mUlata: gujarAtI 'AptavANI' zreNI-8 kA hindI rupAMtara hai| * isa 'AptavANI' meM 'AtmA' zabda ko saMskRta aura gujarAtI bhASA | ___kI taraha pulliMga meM prayoga kiyA gayA hai| * jahA~-jahA~ caMdUlAla' nAma kA prayoga kiyA gayA hai, vahA~-vahA~ pAThaka svayaM kA nAma samajhakara paThana kreN| * 'AptavANI' meM agara koI bAta Apa samajha na pAe~ to pratyakSa satsaMga meM padhArakara samAdhAna prApta kreN|

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saMpAdakIya prastuta graMtha meM prakaTa pratyakSa 'jJAnI' ke svamukha se pravAhita Atmatatva, aura anya tatvoM saMbaMdhI vAstavika darzana khulA hotA hai| pUre graMtha kA saMkalana do vibhAgoM meM vibhAjita hotA hai| pUrvArdha meM, AtmA kyA hogA, kaisA hogA, isase saMbaMdhita aneka prazna pUchakara praznakartA samAdhAna prApta karatA hai| jaba ki uttarArdha meM 'maiM kauna hU~', yaha kisa taraha jAne, khuda ke svarUpa kI pahacAna, sAkSAtkAra kisa prakAra se prApta kare, praznakartA ko aba isakI utsukatA jAgI hai, usake lie prazna pUcha-pUchakara mArgadarzana prApta kara rahA hai! AtmA ke astitva kI AzaMkA se lekara, AtmA kyA hogA, kaisA hogA, kyA karatA hogA, janma-maraNa kyA hai, kisake janma-maraNa, karma kyA hai, cAra gatiyA~ kyA haiM, usakI prApti ke rahasya, mokSa kyA hai, siddhagati kyA hai, pratiSThita AtmA, mizracetana, nizcetana-cetana, ahaMkAra, vizeSa pariNAma, jaise saiMkar3oM praznoM ke samAdhAna yahA~ para agopita hue haiN| jIva kyA hai? ziva kyA hai? dvaita, advaita, brahma, parabrahma, ekoham bahusyAm, AtmA kI sarvavyApakatA, kaNa-kaNa meM bhagavAna, veda aura vijJAna vagairaha aneka vedAMta ke rahasya yahA~ para anAvarita hue haiN| adhyAtma kI prAthamika parantu mUla yathArtha samajha, ki jisake AdhAra se pUrA mokSamArga pAra karanA hotA hai, use samajhane meM thor3A-sA bhI farka rahe, to 'jJAnI' ke perelala' rahakara patha pUrA karane ke bajAya eka bAla barAbara bhI vipathana haA to lAkhoM mIla calane ke bAda bhI eka hI dvAra para pahu~cane ke bajAya kisI aura hI sthAna para jA pahu~ceMge! 'hama saba paramAtmA ke aMza haiM' jahA~ para aisI bhrA~ta mAnyatA baratatI ho, vahA~ para "vaha 'khuda' paramAtmA hI hai, saMpUrNa svataMtra hai, aMza nahIM parantu khuda sarvAMza hai|" aisA kaba samajha meM A sakegA? aura yadi vaha bilIfa meM hI nahIM hogA to usa pada ko prApta kaise kara sakeMge? lokasaMjJA ke kAraNa aisI to kitanI hI bhrAmaka mAnyatAe~ grahaNa ho cukI haiM, jo yathArtha darzana se alaga hI prakAra kA vartana karavAtI haiM! 10

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tamAma zAstroM kA, sAdhakoM kA, sAdhanAoM kA sAra eka hI hai ki khuda ke AtmA kA bhAna, jJAna prApta kara lenA hai / 'mUla AtmA', to zuddha hI hai mAtra 'khuda' ko roMga bilIfa baiTha gaI hai, prakaTa 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa yaha mAnyatA chUTa jAtI hai| jo koTi janmoM taka nahIM ho pAtA, vaha 'jJAnI' ke pAsa se aMta:muhUrta meM prApta ho sakatA hai ! lAkhoM prazna vikalpiyoM ke yA jijJAsuoM ke lAkhoM prazna Ate haiM, phira bhI jJAnI ke uttara, sacoTa marmasthAna para aura 'ekz2ekTanesa ko opana' karanevAle nikalate haiM, jo jJAnI ke saMpUrNa nirAvaraNa ho cuke darzana kI pratIti karavAte haiN| unake hI zabdoM meM kaheM to 'maiM kevaLajJAna meM aise dekhakara javAba detA hU~' aura phira vANI kA bhI mAlikIbhAva nahIM hai / 'TeparikArDa' bola rahA hai| 'khuda' boleMge to bhUlavAlA nikalegA, 'TeparikArDa' meM bhUla kahA~ se hogI? 'khuda' to 'TeparikArDa' ke jJAtA - dRSTA rahate haiM / jijJAsu - mumukSu ko AtmaprApti ke lie, AtmAsaMbaMdhI, vizvasaMbaMdhI uThanevAlI saiMkar3oM praznottarI ko prastuta graMtha meM saMkalita kiyA gayA hai, jo sujJa-AtmArthI ko khuda kI hI bhASA meM bAta kI, 'vastu' kI spaSTatA karavAte haiN| parantu 'vastu' (AtmA) ko tathArUpa dRSTi meM lAne ke lie, anubhava karane ke lie to pratyakSa - prakaTa svarUpa se birAje hue jJAnI zrI dAdAzrI ke pAsa se hI prApti ho sakatI hai aisA hai / bAkI, AtmAjJAna yA kevaLajJAna kI atyaMta gahana bAteM nija AtmaprakAza kI eka bhI kiraNa ko prakaTa karane meM niSphalatA meM pariNAmita hotI hai| jaba taka pratyakSa 'jJAnI' kA suyoga nahIM milatA, 'jJAnI' kA jJAna prApta nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka zabdAtmA meM ramaNatA rahatI hai aura jahA~ para pratyakSa 'jJAnI' kA eka hI zabda hRdaya bIMdhakara saralatA se utara jAtA hai, vahA~ para anaMta doSoM ke AvaraNa haTane para samasta brahmAMDa ko prakAzamAna karanevAle paramAtmA khuda ke aMdara hI prakaTa hote haiM ! ina anupama 'jJAnI' kI bejor3a siddhi ko jisane jAnA hai, usIne AnaMda pAyA hai! varnA avarNanIya AtmaprakAza ko zabda kisa taraha prakAzita kara pAe~ge? 11

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kAruNyamUrti dAdAzrI ko bAra-bAra kahate hue sunA hai, "ye jo dikhate haiM, ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' nahIM hai, ye to 'e. ema. paTela' hai| 'dAdA bhagavAna' to aMdara prakaTa hue haiM, ve haiN| ve caudaha lokoM ke nAtha haiM! Apako jo cAhie vaha mA~ga lo| lekina Apako TenDara bharanA bhI nahIM AtA !" aura yaha haqIqata hai! unheM sakala brahmAMDa ke 'jisa' svAmitva kI prApti huI, 'use' mA~gane ke bajAya abhAge jIva ekAdha 'ploTa' kA TenDara bhara dete haiM ! usa samaya dAdAzrI kA hRdaya yadi koI par3ha sakatA to z2arUra use apAra karuNA se chalakatA huA dikhatA ! AtmasaMbaMdhI pravartamAna bhrAmaka mAnyatAe~ parama sat se saiMkar3oM yojana dUra dhakela detI haiN| bhale hI AtmajJAna nahIM milA ho, parantu jJAnIpuruSoM ne jo AtmA dekhA hai, jAnA hai, anubhava kiyA hai aura jisakI prakaTa jJAnIpuruSa yathArtha samajha dete haiM, vaha yadi phiTa ho jAe taba bhI khuda ulTI dizA meM jAne se ruka jAtA hai| prastuta graMtha meM saMpUjya zrI dAdAzrI ne khuda ke jJAna meM 'jaisA hai vaisA' AtmA kA svarUpa aura jagat kA svarUpa dekhA hai, jAnA hai, anubhava kiyA hai, usa saMbaMdha meM unake hI zrImukha se nikalI huI vANI kA yahA~ para saMkalana kiyA gayA hai, jo adhyAtma mArga meM padAparNa karanevAloM ko Atmasammukha hone meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogii| 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI vANI nimitta aura saMyogAdhIna sahajarUpa se nikalatI hai, usameM yadi kahIM bhI kSati - truTi lage, to vaha mAtra saMkalana kI hI khAmI hai, 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI vANI kI kabhI bhI nahIM / usake lie kSamA prArthanA ! I 12 * DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna -

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upodghAta khaMDa : 1 AtmA kyA hogA? kaisA hogA? brahmAMDa kI sUkSmatam aura guhyatam vastu ki jo khuda kA svarUpa hI hai, 'khuda' hI 'jo' hai, 'use' nahIM samajhane se, 'AtmA aisA hogA, vaisA hogA, prakAza svarUpa hogA, vaha prakAza kaisA hogA?' aise asaMkhya preraka vicAra vicArakoM ko Ate hI haiM / isakA yathArtha kalpanAtIta darzana to prakaTa 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI karake, karavA sakate haiM / jinheM unake pratyakSa yoga kI prApti nahIM huI hai, aise logoM ko prastuta jJAnavANI kA graMtha saccA mArga batAkara usa tarafa le jAtA hai / I jo khuda kA selpha hI hai, khuda hI hai, use jAnanA, vahI AtmA kahalAtA hai| use pahacAnanA hai / AtmA ke svarUpa kI, AkRti kI AzaMkAoM aura kalpanAoM se pare jo svarUpa hai, use jisane jAnA, dekhA, anubhava kiyA aura niraMtara usameM vAsa kiyA hai, unhoMne AtmA ko AkRti - nirAkRti se pare kahA ! sthala, kAla yA kisI AlaMbana kI jahA~ para hastI nahIM hai, aisA nirAlaMba, prakAza svarUpa hai AtmA kaa|'jnyaanii' aise AtmA meM rahate haiN| khuda judA, deha judA, par3osI kI taraha deha vyavahAra karate haiM ! I vizva meM nAstika nahIM hai koI / jinheM astitva kA bhAna, 'maiM hU~' aisA bhAna hai, ve sabhI Astika haiM ! AtmA astitva, vastutva aura pUrNatva sahita hotA hai| astitva kA bhAna jIvamAtra ko hai, vastutva kA bhAna birale ko hI hotA hai aura pUrNatva to prasAda hai, vastutva ko jAnane kA ! isa vastutva kA bhAna to bhedajJAnI hI karavAte haiM I AtmA ke astitva kI pratIti meM vizvAsa karavAte hue 'jJAnI' kahate haiM ki jaise sugaMdha itra ke astitva ko ughAr3a detI hai, vaise hI AtmA arUpI hone ke bAvajUda, usake sukha svabhAva para se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai| anaMta 13

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jJAna, darzana, zakti, sukha aisA anaMta guNadhAmI paramAtmA kA svarUpa hai aura vaha, vaha 'khuda' hI hai parantu khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna hone ke bAda hI ye sabhI guNa nirAvRta hote haiM! cetana aura jar3a kA bheda unake guNadharmoM para se jAnA jA sakatA hai| jJAna-darzana, dekhanA-jAnanA, vaha caitanya svabhAva hai, jo anya kisImeM nahIM hai| jIva ke astitva para AzaMkA karanevAle 'mere mu~ha meM jIbha nahIM hai', aise bolanevAle kI taraha khuda ke, vastu-astitva ko svayaM hI anAvRta kara dete haiM! jise jIva para zaMkA upajatI hai, vahI khuda jIva hai! jar3a ko vaha zaMkA hogI? a~dhere meM bhI mu~ha meM rakhe hue zrIkhaMDa meM rahI hara eka cIz2a ko jo jAnatA hai, vaha jIva hai! jJAnataMtu to khabara pahu~cAte haiM, parantu jise patA calatA hai, vaha jIva hai! jo sadA hI sukha kA cAhaka aura zodhaka rahA hai, vahI jIva hai| jahA~ lAgaNI (bhAvukatAvAlA prema, lagAva) hai vahA~ para AtmA hai, jahA~ para lAgaNI nahIM hai vahA~ para AtmA nahIM hai| phira bhI AtmA meM lAgaNI nahIM hai, jise lAgaNI hotI hai, vaha pudgala hai| hilatA-DulatA hai, bolatA hai, khAtA hai, pItA hai vaha cetana nahIM hai, parantu jahA~ kucha bhI jJAna hai yA ajJAna hai, dayA yA lAgaNI hai, vahA~ para cetana hai| AtmA kA sthAna pUre deha meM vyApta hai| jahA~ duHkha kA saMvedana hai vahA~ AtmA hai| mAtra nAkhUna aura bAloM meM hI AtmA nahIM hai| hRdaya meM to sthUla mana kA sthAna hai| jaba ki sUkSma mana donoM bhRkuTiyoM ke bIca meM DhAI iMca aMdara hai| AtmA ke saMkoca-vikAsazIla svabhAva ke kAraNa jaba deha kA koI bhI aMga kaTatA hai yA enesthIsiyA diyA jAtA hai, taba utane bhAga meM se AtmA khisaka jAtA hai! jIvana kI tInoM avasthAoM meM, are! anaMta janma-maraNa kI 14

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avasthAoM meM bhI jo ajanma-amara hai, aisA AtmA vaise kA vaisA hI, nija svabhAva meM hI, hamezA rahatA hai! janma bhI, pudgala ke sAtha use khuda ko janmojanma taka saMgata karanI par3I! ye 'roMga bilIfa' gaI ki ho gayA khada svataMtra! saMpUrNa svataMtra!!! bAkI na to pudgala AtmA se cipakA hai aura na hI AtmA pudgala se cipakA hai| pudgala arthAt paramANu tatva aura Atmatatva ke saMyoga se, 'vizeSa pariNAma' dvArA utpanna hone se prathama aham, krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, aise vyatireka guNoMvAlI prakRti utpanna huI aura saMsAra kA sarjana huA! isameM 'mUla AtmA' saMpUrNa rUpa se akriya hai| pudgala sakriya hone ke kAraNa aura ajJAnatA ke kAraNa AtmA ke kartApana kI bhrAMti utpanna karavAtA hai! isa prakRti kI jaMjIroM se paramAtmA bane baMdIvana! parantu jahA~ baMdhana hai, vahA~ mokSa bhI hai| ajJAnabhAva se, bhA~tabhAva se baMdhana aura jJAnabhAva se mukti! jaba kartApana kI, khuda ke svarUpa kI bhA~ti TUTatI hai, taba khuda kisI karma kA kartA nahIM rahatA, 'khuda paramAtmA hI hai' isakA bhAna niraMtara baratatA hai aura sarva prakAra se saMpUrNa svataMtra, mukta banatA hai! janma-maraNa kA mUla kAraNa ajJAna hai, jaba ki jJAna se mukti milatI hai, AvAgamana, janma-maraNa ahaMkAra ko hai| yoni prApti 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' ke adhIna hai, usameM kisIkI svataMtratA nahIM hai, bhagavAna kI bhI nahIM! AropitabhAva aura saMsArIbhAva kI vajaha se kAraNa zarIra utpanna hone ke bAda dUsare pArliyAmenTarI membara milakara 'riz2alTa' lAte haiN| jisase 'iphekTa baoNDI' banatI hai| pArliyAmenTa meM prastAva rakhane ke bAda membara cale jAte haiM ! aura prastAva raha jAte haiM, ve prastAva eka ke bAda eka rUpaka meM Ate jAte haiM! sthUladeha se AtmA chUTatA hai taba AtmA ke sAtha sUkSma-deha, kAraNadeha aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha cale jAte haiN| kAraNadeha agale janma meM kAryadeha banatA hai| jaba taka karma kI silaka (jamApU~jI) rahatI hai, tabhI taka hI taijasa zarIra sAtha meM rahatA hai, yAnI ki janmabhara sAtha meM rahatA hai aura vaha mokSa hone taka AtmA ke sAtha meM hI rahatA hai! 15

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DiscArja meM to svataMtratA hotI hI nahIM, lekina cArja meM bhI AtmA kI svataMtra zakti nahIM hai, DiscArja ke dhakke se nayA cArja ho jAtA hai, ajJAnatA ke kAraNa / gatajanma meM karmoM kA 'cArjiMga' yojanA ke rUpa meM hotA hai, jo isa janma meM rUpaka ke rUpa meM, DiscArja ke rUpa meM hotA hai| yojanarUpa hotA hai, tabhI taka usameM parivartana saMbhava ho sakatA hai| rUpaka meM Ane ke bAda aisA asaMbhava hI hai| isa janma kA badalAva agale janma meM phala degA aura yadi Ayojana hI ruka jAe to AtyaMtika mukti mila jAe! ekendriya se manuSyagati taka kA parivartana 'ivolyuzana kI thyorI' ke anusAra vAjiba hai, lekina manuSya meM Ane ke bAda, ahaMkAra kI garadana U~cI hotI hai, kartA banakara 'kreDITa-DebITa' karane lagatA hai, manuSya jIvana meM baratI huI vRttiyA~-pAzavI, mAnavI, rAkSasI yA daivIya vRttiyoM ke pariNAma svarUpa caturgati ke dvAra khula jAte haiN| eka bAra manuSya banane ke bAda, bahuta huA to ATha janma taka anya yoni meM bhaTakara 'belensa' pUrA karake vApasa manuSya meM hI A jAtA hai| bhaTakana kA rukanA to AtmajJAna ke bAda hI ho sakatA hai! AtmajJAna hone ke bAda kI yoniyA~ kramabaddha calatI haiM, yadi aisA nahIM ho to sabakucha niyati ke adhIna hI mAnA jAegA na? jIvoM kA prathama bAra manuSya yoni meM Ane kA kAla nizcita hai, lekina manuSyagati meM Ane ke bAda ahaMkAra khar3A hone se ulajhaneM khar3I ho jAtI haiM, pariNAmasvarUpa caturgati meM bhaTakatA hai| kaise bhI saMjogoM kI bhIr3a meM khuda, ahaMkAra ko mukti kI dizA meM hI mor3e to mokSa mila jAegA, lekina ahaMkAra ko mor3anA AsAna nahIM hai, isalie manuSya meM Ane ke bAda mokSa meM jAne kA kAla nizcita nahIM hai| vaha to jaba samyakdRSTi ho jAe, usake bAda hI mokSa meM jAne kA kAla nizcita ho sakatA hai| yaha to lokasaMjJA ke anusAra calakara saMsAra kI tarafa bar3hatA jAtA hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ko pAne ke bAda, jJAnI kI saMjJA ke anusAra pravartana kare to mokSa prApta karegA! sUrya ke saMyoga se parachAI utpanna hotI hai, darpaNa ke saMyoga se pratibiMba utpanna hotA hai, usameM sUrya kA yA darpaNa kA kartApana kitanA? parachAI ko

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yA pratibiMba ko dekhakara mAtra bilIfa badalI hai ki 'mujhe' yaha kyA ho gayA? 'roMga bilIfa' ho jAne ke kAraNa aham aura buddhi kI utpatti huI, jinake AdhAra para prakRti kI pravartanA banI (zurUAta huii)| vAstava meM 'mUla lAiTa' ki jisake prakAza se aham aura buddhi prakAzita hokara prakRti ko prakAzamAna karane lage, usa 'mUla lAiTa' kI tarafa kI dRSTi, usakA bhAna khatma ho jAne se 'mUla lAiTa' para pardA par3a gayA, bhrA~ti kA! aura prakRti ke hAva-bhAva ko 'khuda ke' hI hAva-bhAva mAnakara, 'khuda' paramAtmapada meM se nikalakara 'khuda' prakRti ke svarUpa meM baratane lagA!!! jaise ki darpaNa kI cir3iyA ko dUsarI saccI cir3iyA mAnakara mUla cir3iyA coMca mAratI rahatI hai, aisA hI hai na! kaise pha~se! saMyogoM meM khuda paramAtmA kaise pha~se haiM!! isake bAvajUda bhI paramAtmA to nija svabhAva meM trikAla-bAdhitarUpa se hI rahe hue haiN| saMyogoM ke dabAva se AtmA kA jJAna paryAya vibhAvika ho gayA hai, mUla AtmA nhiiN| vibhAvadazA meM jaisI kalpanA kI, pudgala bhI vaisA hI vibhAvika ho gayA, pariNAma svarUpa mana-vacana-kAyA, gar3he gae aura 'vyavasthita' ke niyama meM pha~sa gae! isalie hI to isa guhyatama vijJAna ke jJAtA, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke saMyoga se khuda kI 'mUla lAiTa' eka bAra dRSTi meM A jAne se 'khuda' muktipada prApta karatA hai!!! jisa prakAra jaba gajasukumAra ke sira para sasurajI ne jalatI huI sigar3I kI pagar3I bA~dhI, usa ghar3I ve khuda neminAtha bhagavAna ke dikhAe hue mUla lAiTa meM rahe aura isa saMyoga ko jJeya ke rUpa meM jJAna meM dekhA aura mokSa prApta kiyA! nijasvarUpa kI aura kartAsvarUpa kI roMga bilIfa se rAga-dveSa utpanna hone ke kAraNa agale janma ke lie mana-vacana-kAyA kI tIna beTariyA~ cArja kI bhajanA karatI haiM aura purAnI tIna beTariyA~ svAbhAvika rUpa se DiscArja kI bhajanA karatI haiN| 'jJAnI kRpA' se 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiTha jAe, taba vaha khuda mukti prApta karegA! AtmA ke Adi yA aMta ke vikalpoM kA zamana karane ke lie jJAnI AtmA ko anAdi-anaMta kahakara chUTa gae! kyoMki sanAtana vastu kI Adi 17

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yA aMta athavA bar3hanA-ghaTanA kaisA? usakA AvAgamana kaisA? golAkAra kI zurUAta kauna-sI? jisakI Adi hI nahIM use banAe~ge kaise? bAkI bananevAle aura banAnevAle donoM vinAzI hI hote haiN| hara eka vastu, jagat svayaM, svabhAva se hI Age bar3hate rahane ke kAraNa samasaraNa mArga meM se jitane jIva siddhakSetra meM jAte haiM, utane hI jIva avyavahAra rAzi meM se vyavahAra rAzi meM praveza karate haiM, jisake kAraNa vyavahAra rAzi kI racanA (vyavahAra rAzi meM AnevAle AtmAoM kI kula saMkhyA) vaisI kI vaisI rahatI hai| yadi inameM se eka bhI kama ho jAe to kudarata kA plAniMga bigar3a jAegA aura Aja caMdra to kala sUrya gairahAz2ira ho jAe~ge! janasaMkhyA ke bar3hane yA ghaTane kI hada kudarata ke hAni-vRddhi ke nizcita niyama se bAhara jA hI nahIM sakatA! ___ AtmA svabhAva se hI mokSagAmI hai, yadi bIca meM dakhala nahIM ho to! zubha vicAroM se halke paramANuoM kA grahaNa hotA hai jisase AtmA kA Urdhvagamana hotA hai aura bhArI-bharakama paramANuoM ke grahaNa hone se vanaspatikAya taka pahu~cakara-jahA~ nAriyala, Ama yA rAyaNa ke per3a meM praveza karake khuda ke kie hue prapaMcoM ke daNDasvarUpa logoM ko AjIvana mIThemadhura phala dekara, RNamukta, karmamukta banatA hai! aura aMta meM jJAnIpuruSa ke pAsa zuddhAtmA jAnane ke bAda svabhAva meM rahakara aura pudgala ke prasaMgoM kA pUrNarUpa se nikAla (nipaTArA) hone para, mokSa meM jA sakatA hai| ina vaijJAnika niyamoM meM kisIkI koI svataMtra sattA nahIM hai| jagat meM bhAsita bhinnatva, bhA~ti ke kAraNa, avasthAoM ke kAraNa hai, buddhi kI DigrI kI dRSTi se dekhane ke kAraNa hai! mUla tatva hokara senTara meM dekhane para abhinnatA hai, vahI paramAtma darzana hai!!! jJAnI 'jaisA hai vaisA' dekhakara bolate haiN| jo 'hai' use 'nahIM' nahIM kahate aura jo 'nahIM' hai use 'hai' nahIM khte| vItarAgoM ne sanAtana tatvoM 18

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ke guNa-utpAd, vyaya aura dhrauva-usameM utpanna honA aura vinAza honA, vaha vastu ke payAyoM ko aura sthira rahanA, vaha vastu ke guNa ko kahA hai| jinake sthUla rUpakoM meM logoM ne brahmA, viSNu aura maheza ko mAna liyA aura unakI mUrtiyA~ rakhIM!!! are, gItA kI, gAyatrI kI bhI mUrtiyA~ rakhIM!!! gItA meM zrIkRSNa ke kahe hue aMtaraAzaya ko sUkSmatama svarUpa meM bhajane ke bajAya sthUla mUrti kI bhajanA kI! gAyatrI ke maMtra ko japane ke badale mUrti meM saMtoSa pAyA !! bAta kI vaijJAnika gUr3hatA ko bhUla gae aura sthUla pakar3a liyA! brahmA, viSNu aura maheza kI mUrtiyoM ko satva, rajo aura tamo guNa ke pratIka ke rUpa meM rakhA gayA hai| rUpakoM meM satyatA kI Ter3hI galI meM ulajhane ke bajAya mur3akara vApasa khuda ke ghara kI ora jAnA uttama ! ulTI dizA meM tIvra vega se pravahamaya ho rahe logoM ko jJAnI saccI dizA kI ora moDate haiM, vaha bhI nimittabhAva se, kartAbhAva se nahIM! satya kA zodhana to nirAgrahatA se hI hotA hai| Agraha, vaha ahaMkAra hai| maiM caMdUlAla, isakA cAcA, isakA mAmA...yaha 'rileTiva' satya 'riyala' meM asatya hI siddha hotA hai! jJAnI hamezA vAstavikatA hI 'opana' karate haiM, koI use nahIM svIkAre to khuda kA sahI ThaharAne ke lie jJAnI sAmanevAle ke sAtha, usake sopAna para baiThe nahIM rhte| 'terI dRSTi se saca hai' aisA kahakara chUTa jAte haiM! khuda ke parama satya kA bhI jahA~ para Agraha nahIM hai, vahA~ para saMpUrNa vItarAgatva prakaTa hotA hai! ajJAna ko jAna le to sAmanevAle ke kinAre para rahA huA jJAna mila hI jAtA hai| AtmA ko jAnegA to pudgala ko jAna jaaegaa| aura pudgala ko jAnegA to AtmA ko samajha jaaegaa| vedAMtI pudgala kA aMta DhU~Dhane meM laga gae aura neti-neti kahakara ruka gae! kevaLajJAnI, sarva prathama nija AtmasvarUpa ko prApta karake, jo zeSa bacA, use pudgala kahakara mukta ho gae!!! vAstava meM AtmajJAna jAnanA nahIM hai| khuda ko, khuda ke hI svarUpa

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kA bhAna pAnA hai| sirpha zabda-AtmA ko jAnane se kucha nahIM hotaa| abheda kA nirupaNa karavAnevAle vedoM ke dvArA bhI bhedabuddhi kA hI upArjana hotA hai, abudhatA prApta karane para hI abhedabuddhi phalita hogii| jJAnIpuruSa ne, 'veda' 'thyoriTikala' haiM, vijJAna 'prekTikala' hai, aisA kaha diyaa| veda buddhigamya jJAna, 'inDAyarekTa' prakAza hai aura jJAna 'DAyarekTa' prakAza hai! jahA~ nahIM pahu~ce veda, vahA~ pahu~ce 'jJAnI'! cAra veda, cAra anuyoga Atmatatva ko dikhAte haiM, parantu unheM prApta nahIM karavA skte| zrutavANI citta ko nirmala banAtI hai, jJAna kA uttama adhikArI banAtI hai, parantu mUla vastu kA sAkSAtkAra to asAdhAraNa kAraNarUpa jJAnIpuruSa unakI saMjJA se karavAte haiM! vahA~ para zabdarUpa veda ni:zabda AtmA kA kisa prakAra se varNana kara sakate haiM? veda jJAnasvarUpa aura vettA vijJAnasvarUpa haiM ! vijJAna to svayaM kriyAkArI hotA hai, jJAna nahIM! vettA veda ko jAnate haiM, veda vettA ko nhiiN| tamAma darzana, tamAma naya, tamAma dRSTiyA~ eka haiM aura bhinna bhI haiN| sIr3hI eka hI hai, lekina sopAna bhinna-bhinna haiM !!! kRSNa bhagavAna ne veda ko bhI triguNAtmaka kaha diyA aura AtmA pAne ke lie arjuna ko veda se pare jAne ko kahA! vedAMta buddhi ko bar3hAvA denevAle haiN| parantu vedAMta aura jaina, donoM mArgoM se svataMtrarUpa se samakita ho sakatA hai| AtmA na to dvaita hai, na hI advaita! AtmA dvaitAdvaita hai!!! dvaita-advaita donoM vikalpa haiM, jaba ki AtmA nirvikalpa hai| dvaita-advaita donoM dvaMdva hai, AtmA dvaMdvAtIta haiN| jaba taka sAMsArika asara hote haiM, taba taka 'advaita hU~', aisA mAna hI nahIM skte| advaita, vaha nirAdhAra yA nirapekSa vastu nahIM hai, dvaita kI apekSA se hai| 'rileTiva vyU poinTa' se AtmA dvaita aura 'riyala vyU poinTa' se advaita hai! isalie 'jJAnI' ne AtmA ko dvaitAdvaita kahA hai| 'sva'-vaha advaita hai aura 'para'-vaha dvaita hai| sva meM hI upayoga rakhane ke lie ise advaita kahA gayA hai| jaba taka deha aura kevaLajJAna donoM haiM, tabhI taka dvaitAdvaita hai, phira mokSa meM koI vizeSaNa nahIM rahatA hai| advaita svayaM vizeSaNa hai|

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kyA jagat mithyA hai? dAr3ha dukhe, to pUrI rAta 'mithyA hai' kI mAlA pherane se kyA duHkha mithyA ho jAtA hai? jagat ko mithyA mAnanevAle rAste meM kyoM paise yA khuda kI priya poTalI ko pheMka nahIM dete? jagat mithyA nahIM hai aura brahma bhI mithyA nahIM hai| jagat 'rileTiva' satya hai aura brahma 'riyala' satya hai| jo mUla vastu ko yathArtha rUpa se samajhane nahIM detI, vaha mAyA hai| brahmajJAna, vaha AtmajJAna kA pravezadvAra hai| sAdhana, svarUpa kI ekAgratA karavAte haiM, parantu svarUpa kI prApti nhiiN| AtmAjJAna se hI svarUpa kI prApti hotI hai| jagat kI vinAzI vastuoM para se niSThA uThakara avinAzI brahma kI niSThA baiTha jAe, brahmaniSTha bana jAe, use brahmajJAna kahA hai| aura AtmaniSTha puruSa to svayaM paramAtmA hI kahalAte haiM ! AtmaniSTha abudha hote haiM aura brahmaniSTha meM buddhi rahatI hai! __ zabdabrahma, nAdabrahma vagairaha 'Tarminasa' taka jAte hue bIca ke 'phlega' sTezana haiM, jo ki bahuta huA to ekAgratA meM rakha sakate haiN| ekAgratA se adhyAtma kI Adi hai, phira bhI AtmA usase asaMkhya mIla dUra hai! zabda sanAtana nahIM, parantu do-tIna vastuoM ke saMyoga se utpanna honevAlI vastu hai, asvAbhAvika hai| phira bhI jo zabda anubhava karavA de, vaha saccA, parantu aMta meM to zabda kA bhI avalaMbana chUTa jAtA hai aura nirAlaMba dazA prApta hotI hai| brahmamaya sthiti hone ke bAda jAgRti pUrNatA taka pahu~catI hai aura jIvamAtra meM zuddha hI dikhatA hai| 'aham brahmAsmi', usameM khuda apanI jAta kA ahaMkAra hai| yaha ahaMkAra yAnI khuda jahA~ para nahIM hai, vahA~ para 'maiM hU~' kA Aropa karatA hai| brahmaprApti kA pariNAma niraMtara paramAnaMda kA svasaMvedana! janakavidehI jaisI dazA!! saMsAra ke sarva saMyogoM meM bhI parama asaMgatatA kA anubhava!!! brahmaprApti ke lie mala-vikSepa ko athavA to rAga-dveSa ko nikAlane ke lie janmojanma taka vRthA prayatna karatA hai! kintu brahmaprApti meM bAdhaka 21

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kartA 'rUTa kaoNz2a' ajJAna hai, jise aura koI bhI nahIM nikAla sakatA sivAya 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke! AtmA ko AvRta karanevAlA ajJAna hai, na ki ahaMkAra ! jJAna kI AMtarika jAgRta dRSTi kaisI hotI hai ? prathama viz2ana meM strI, puruSa 'kampalITa' 'nekeDa' dikhate haiM / dvitIya 'viz2ana' meM tvacArahita kAyA dikhatI hai aura tRtIya 'viz2ana' meM cIrA huA deha, AMteM, mA~sa-haDDiyoMvAlA dikhatA hai!!! aura aMta meM sabhI meM brahmasvarUpa dikhatA hai !!!! phira kyA - dveSa hoMge? rAga dravya jIvamAtra meM cetana tatva vidyamAna hai, jo svabhAva se eka hai, se nahIM, dravya se to pratyeka cetana bhinna-bhinna aura saMpUrNa svataMtra hai / sarva AtmA yadi eka hI hote, taba to phira rAmacaMdrajI mokSa meM cale gae, to sabhI cale jAte na? 'ekoham bahusyAma' kyA brahma ko aisI icchA ho sakatI hai? AtmA paramAtmA meM vilIna hotA hI nahIM hai / vilInIkaraNa meM to pratyeka AtmA ko saMpUrNa potApaNuM ( maiM hU~ aura merA hai, aisA AropaNa, merApana ), khuda kI svataMtratA khokara, anya meM homa denI par3egI? jJAnI jIvamAtra meM saMpUrNa sarvAMga aura svataMtra rUpa se rahanevAle paramAtmA ke darzana karate haiM! yadi AtmA eka hI hotA to phira jaba rAmacaMdrajI mokSasukha kA AnaMda uThA rahe haiM, taba hameM kyoM duHkha hai? AtmA paramAtmA kA AvirbhAva hotA taba phira duHkha kA vedana hI nahIM hotA na ! AtmA riyala vyU poinTa se nirAkArI aura rileTiva vyU poinTa se sAkArI hai| siddhagati meM AtmA caramazarIra ke deha pramANa se eka tihAI kama hokara do tihAI jitane AkAra kA raha jAtA hai, svabhAva se nirAkArI hone ke bAvajUda ! zurUAta meM niraMjana- nirAkAra bhagavAna kI bhajanA to jo manuSya deha meM prakaTa hue haiM, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa', ki jo sAkArI bhagavAna hI kahalAte haiM, unakI bhajanA dvArA hotI hai aura pariNAma svarUpa nirAkAra bhagavAna kI pahacAna hotI hai ! jahA~ anaMta jJAna, anaMta darzana, anaMta sukha, anaMta zakti hai, anaMta 22

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guNoM ke dhAraka, are jo svayaM paramAtmA hI haiM, aise AtmA ko nirguNa kaise kaha sakate haiM? nirguNa kahane se unake anaMta guNoM kI bhajanA aura usake dvArA unakI prApti se sadA ke lie vaMcita nahIM raha jAe~ge? paramAtmA kI prApti to unake guNoM kI bhajanA se hI hotI hai na! AtmA prakRti ke guNoM se nirguNa aura svaguNoM se bharapUra hai / prakRti kA eka bhI guNa AtmA meM praviSTa nahIM huA hai, AtmA kA eka bhI guNa prakRti meM mizrita nahIM huA hai| prAkRta guNoM ke sAtha kabhI bhI mizrita huA hI nahIM hai, aisA AtmA niraMtara zuddha hI hai ! AtmA jJAnavAlA nahIM balki jJAnasvarUpa hI hai, prakAzasvarUpa hai, usa prakAza ke AdhAra para hI khuda ko sabhI jJeya samajha meM Ate haiM aura dRzya dikhate haiN| AtmA sarvavyApI hai, vaha kisa apekSA se? AtmA kA prakAza sarvavyApI hai, na ki AtmA svayaM ! isa balba kI lAiTa pUre rUma ko prakAzamAna karatI hai, vyApta karatI hai, parantu balba pUre rUma meM nahIM hai, vaha to apanI jagaha para hI hai / sirpha aMtima janma meM, carama-zarIra meM ki jaba AtmA paramAtmA banakara saMpUrNa nirAvaraNa hokara siddhapada meM praveza karatA hai, taba pUrA brahmAMDa prameya bana jAtA hai, pUre brahmAMDa meM paramAtmA kA prakAza vyApta ho jAtA hai| khUbI basa itanI hI hai ki isa prakAza meM kahIM bhI taratamatA ( aisA prakAza jisakI gahanatA dUra jAne para kama nahIM hotI, jisa prakAza se chAyA nahIM par3atI) nahIM hotI ! yadi paramAtmA sabhI jagaha para hote, kaNa-kaNa meM hote to unheM DhU~Dhane ko rahA hI kahA~? apane aMdara vidyamAna AtmA kahA~ kahIM para vyApta hone jAtA hai ? isa prakAra AtmA cetanarUpa se nahIM parantu svabhAvarUpa se sarvavyApI hai ! bhagavAna pratyeka jIva meM prakAzarUpa se rahate haiM / parantu jaba jIva dRSTigocara hotA hai taba divyacakSu se unake aMdara bhagavAna ke darzana ho sakate haiN| prabhu krIcara meM hai, kriyezana meM nahIM / lekina ve AvRta haiN| jo bhAga nirAvRta hotA hai usa dizA kA jJAna khulA hotA hai, jo ki vyavahAra meM 23

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vakIla, DaoNkTara ke rUpa meM prakaTa hotA hai| eka AtmA meM pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzita karane kI zakti hai, yadi karmaraja se saMpUrNarUpa se nivartamAna ho jAe to ! paramAtmA sarvAMza aura khuda usakA aMza hai, isa bhrAmaka mAnyatA ko khatma karate hue jJAnI sacoTa samajha prakaTa karate haiM ki, AtmAe~ anaMta haiM, svataMtra haiN| rUpI ke Tukar3e kie jA sakate haiM, arUpI ke kaise ho sakeMge? aMza hone ke bAda jur3akara sarvAMza kisa taraha se ho pAegA? bhagavAna ke kabhI Tukar3e ho sakate haiM? sUrya kabhI bhI kiraNa nahIM bana sakatA aura kiraNa kabhI bhI sUrya nahIM bana sakatI !!! sanAtana tatva sadA avibhAjya hI hotA hai / jitane aMzoM meM AvaraNa haTatA hai, utanA AMzika jJAna prakaTa hotA hai| jahA~ para sarva pradezoM ke AvaraNa khula jAte haiM, vahA~ para paramAtmA sarvAMza svarUpa se prakAzamAna ho jAte haiM ! khaMDa : 2 'maiM kauna hU~?' jAneM kisa taraha? AtmA-paramAtmA, brahma - parabrahma, jIva- ziva, Izvara - paramezvara, ye sabhI paryAyavAcaka zabda haiN| paryAyoM meM parivartana hone se dazA meM parivartana dikhatA hai, parantu mUla 'vastu' meM parivartana nahIM hotA / dazA parivartana se ghara meM pati, dukAna meM seTha aura korTa meM vakIla ! parantu hotA hai vahI kA vahI 'khuda', sabhI jagahoM para !!! jIva aura ziva meM kyA bheda hai? khuda hI ziva hai lekina use ho gaI bhrA~ti aura bana baiThA jIva ! yaha judApanA kI bhrA~ti TUTI aura yaha bheda khatma huA ki ho gayA jIva - ziva abheda ! jIva ko jInA maranA to tabhI taka hai ki jaba taka saMsArI dazA ko khuda kI mAne! jisakA jInA maranA miTa gayA, vaha ziva-AtmA, jIva karma sahita hotA hai aura AtmA, karma rahita / lekina donoM meM AtmA vahI kA vahI! kartA-bhoktA, vaha jIva aura akartA - abhoktA, vaha AtmA ! jaba 24 -

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taka 'Apa bhagavAna' aura 'maiM ApakA bhakta' tabhI taka judAI! 'maiM khuda hI paramAtmA hU~', aisA bhAna hone ke bAda phira bheda nahIM rahatA, aura bana gayA vItarAga! nirbhaya!! aura mahAmukta!!! Izvara aura paramezvara - isameM Izvara rAga-dveSavAlA, kartApana ke ahaMkAra sahita, vinAzI vastuoM meM mUrchAvAlA aura paramezvara arthAt vItarAga-akartA, khuda ke avinAzI pada ko hI bhaje, vaha! phira bhI Izvarapada to vibhUtisvarUpa hai! ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna se nivRtti, vaha vItarAgatva kI prathama kar3I hai| 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', aisA bolane meM koI harja nahIM hai, lekina aisI bilIfa baratanI nahIM cAhie! paramAtmA dazA prApta karane ke patha meM AnevAle 'mAilasTona' kI pahacAna pathika ko patha kI pUrI-pUrI 'sikyoriTI' karavAtI jAtI hai| jaba taka bhautika sukhoM kI vAMchanA hai, vRttiyA~ bhautika sukha DhU~Dhane ke lie hI bhaTakatI haiM, taba taka bahirmukhI AtmA hai, mUr3hAtmA hai| mUr3hAtmadazA meM jIvAtmA ko mAtra astitva kA hI bhAna rahatA hai, pudgala vaLagaNA (balA, pAza, bhUtAveza) ko mAtra khuda kA hI svarUpa mAnatA hai, vaha prathama nizAnI ! dvitIya nizAnI yaha ki jaba mUr3hAtmA meM se aMtarAtmadazA meM AtA hai, taba jo vRttiyA~ bAhara bhaTaka rahI thIM, ve vApasa nijaghara kI ora mur3ane lagatI haiN| mUr3hAtmA ko 'jJAnIpuruSa' nimittabhAva se pratIti karavAte haiM ki yaha pudgalarUpI vaLagaNA khuda kI nahIM hai, khuda to paramAtmA hI hai, taba 'maiM 'pana paramAtmA meM prathama pratItibhAva se abheda hotA hai| aba astitva kA hI nahIM, parantu use vastutva kA, yAnI ki 'maiM kauna hU~' kA bhAna rahatA hai| yaha aMtarAtmadazA yAnI ki 'inTarima gavarnamenTa' kI sthaapnaa| 'inTarima gavarnamenTa' ko do kArya karane hote haiN| vyavahAra ke udaya meM, usameM upayoga rakhakara vyavahAra kA samabhAva se nikAla karanA aura khAlI samaya meM Atmaupayoga meM rhnaa| isa aMtarAtmadazA meM Ane se khuda amuka aMzoM taka svataMtra banatA hai aura amuka aMzoM taka parataMtra rahatA hai| phira bhI paramAtmadazA kI 25

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tarafa pragati hotI jAtI hai, hotI jAtI hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ki jo paramAtmadazA meM haiM unakA jJAna-darzana prApta karane se aMtarAtmadazA prApta hotI hai| phira aMtarAtmA paramAtmA ko dekhatA hai aura usa rUpa hotA jAtA hai! khuda paramAtmA hai' isa pratIti meM se aba jJAnabhAva se abheda hotA hai| vastutva kI bhajanA se pUrNatva AsAnI se sadha jAtA hai| aura jaba saMsAra kA saMpUrNa nikAla ho jAtA hai taba ho jAtI hai, phula gavarnamenTa, taba ho gae saMpUrNa paramAtmA!!! kevaLI dazA meM AtmA paramAtmA hI hai| zabdarUpI avalaMbana meM rahe, taba taka aMtarAtmA aura bhrAMtadazA meM mUr3hAtmA! maiM, bAvo, maMgaladAsa!! vahI kA vahI 'maiM', tInoM meM! jo saMpUrNa vItarAga ho cuke haiM, ve paramAtmA! vItarAga hone kI dRSTi jinhoMne vedI hai ve aMtarAtmA, aura bhautika sukhoM meM rata rahakara rAga-dveSa karatA rahe, vaha mUr3hAtmA !! isa jagat se AtyaMtika mukti prApta kie hue, siddhaloka meM virAjamAna pratyeka siddhAtmA, nija-nija ke svataMtra svAbhAvika sukha meM, nijasthiti meM hI hote haiM! vahA~ na to koI UparI hai yA na hI koI 'anDarahenDa'! siddhAtmA svabhAva se eka hI haiM, jJAna-darzana rUpI haiN| vahA~ cAritra nahIM hai| vahA~ na to koI mikenikala kriyA hai yA na hI koI padagala prmaannu| brahmAMDa kI dhAra para unakA sthAna hai| vahA~ koI kisIko, kisI para kisIkA asara nahIM hai, usI prakAra dUsare kSetroM para bhI unakA asara nahIM phuNctaa| siddha bhagavaMta hameM koI helpa nahIM karate, mAtra vahA~ pahu~cane kA apanA dhyeya hai, isalie hama 'namo siddhANaM' kI bhajanA karate haiM! yaha lAiTa yadi cetana hotI na to rUma kI hara eka vastu ko dekhatI hI rahatI! usI prakAra siddha bhagavAna brahmAMDa ke pratyeka jJeya ko jAnate haiM! mokSa arthAt sva-guNadharma meM pariNAmita honA, sva-svabhAva meM pariNAmita honA, niraMtara khuda ke svAbhAvika sukha meM hI rahanA, vaha! / ___mokSa kisakA? jo ba~dhA huA hai, usakA! kauna ba~dhA huA hai? jo bhogatA hai, vh| kauna bhogatA hai? ahaMkAra!!! mokSa prApti kA bhAva bhI, jo ba~dhA huA hai, usIkA hai, AtmA kA nahIM hai, AtmA to vAstava meM mukta 26

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hI hai, vaha kartA nahIM hai, bhoktA bhI nahIM hai| yaha to ahaMkAra hI mokSa DhU~Dha rahA hai| saMsAra meM koI svAda nahIM rahA, taba mokSa DhU~Dhane nikalA hai ! jIvana kA dhyeya to mokSa kA hI honA cAhie - yadi vaha hetu atyaMta maz2abUta hogA to avazya use prApta kregaa| moha isa dhyeya meM bAdhaka hai| moha utare taba saMsAra se ukatA jAtA hai, taba phira mokSamArga kA zodhana karatA hai! AtmadazA prApta hone taka hI vicAradazA kI, aura vaha bhI jJAnAMkSepakavaMta vicAroM kI z2arUrata hai, jo Atmadarzana kI thor3I bahuta prApti karavAe~ge, phira to jo dazA hai, vaha vicAroM se pare hai! ajJAnadazA meM AtmanirIkSaNa hotA hai, vaha ahaMkAra se hotA hai aura AtmA to ahaMkAra ke usa pAra hai! krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha ke paramANu mAtra se vizuddhi prApta karake, jaba ahaMkAra saMpUrNa zuddhatA ko prApta kare, taba vaha 'zuddhAtmA' meM ekAkAra ho jAtA hai, kramikamArga aisA hai! jaba ki 'akrama jJAna' meM 'jJAnIpuruSa' 'DAyarekTa' hI zuddhAtmApada jo ki acalapada hai, daraasala, nirlepa hai, vahI pada prApta karavA dete haiM! khuda kA svarUpa zuddhAtmA hai, deha nahIM, aisA 'riyalAiz2a' ho jAe to dehAdhyAsa miTa jAegA, ahaMkAra aura mamatA cale jaaeNge| dehAdhyAsI, dehAdhyAsa se nahIM chur3avA sakatA, jo dehAdhyAsa se rahita haiM, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI chur3avA sakate haiN| yaha deha, mana, vANI Adi 'maiM hU~' aisA anubhava barate, vaha dehAdhyAsa, aura AtmAnubhava hone ke bAda yaha anubhava calA jAtA hai aura AtmA kA anubhava baratatA hai| deha ke sAtha jo tanmayAkAra hotA hai, vaha mUla AtmA nahIM hai, mAnA huA AtmA yAnI ki vyavahAra AtmA hai| aMdara se, 'yaha terA galata hai' aisA jo bolatA hai, vaha AtmA nahIM hai parantu vyAvahArika jJAna se jo-jo jAnA, usake AdhAra para jo rikArDa ho cukA hai, vaha bolatA hai! yaha sabhIkucha A~kha (kemerA), kAna(risIvara), 27

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vANI(TeparikArDara), dimAg2a(mazIna kA heDa), aura khAnA, pInA, bolanA, calanA vaha saba 'mikenikala' hai| 'maiM pApI hU~, maiM tapasvI hU~, maiM zAstrajJAnI hU~', jo aisA mAnate haiM, yA phira devadarzana, dharmadhyAna, japa tapa Adi hI karate haiM, 'jJAnI' ne use bhI, 'mikenikala AtmA kara rahA hai', aisA kaha diyA!!! jagat kI mAnyatA meM jo AtmA hai, jise vaha sthira karane jAtA hai, vaha sacara, 'mikenikala AtmA' hai aura daraasala AtmA to acala hai, jJAyaka svabhAva kA hai| mUla meM mAnyatA hI bhUla se bharI huI hai| sacara vibhAga meM rahakara acala AtmA ko DhU~Dhane se prApti sacarAtmA kI hI hogI na! 'mikenikala AtmA' jo ki svayaM caMcala hai, kriyAzIla hai, jagat use sthira karane jAe, to vaha kisa taraha se ho pAegA? acala ke prati kI dRSTi hI svAbhAvika acalatA ko prApta karavAtI hai| 'mikenikala AtmA' aura daraasala AtmA svabhAva se bhinna haiM usa bhinnatA kA bhAna, usake prati dRSTi, 'jJAnI' ke alAvA aura kauna samajhA sakatA hai, kauna karavA sakatA hai? daraasala AtmA to kevaLajJAna svarUpa hai, kevaLa prakAzaka rUpI hai, anaMtajJAna, anaMtadarzana, anaMtazakti, anaMta sukhadhAma, anaMta guNoM se bharapUra, aisA cetana hai vaha to!!! ___ saMsAra meM jisakI ramaNatA hai, vaha vAstava meM mUla AtmA nahIM hai| jaba taka rAga-dveSa pariNAma pravartamAna haiM, taba taka zuddhAtmA pada kI prApti bhI nahIM hai! cetana ke sparza se mAyAvI zakti kI utpatti huI, jo bhrAMta cetana hai| nizcetana cetana yAnI sabhI bAhya lakSaNa cetana jaise bhAsita hote haiM, parantu vAstava meM vaha cetana nahIM hai| mUla cetana to aMdara hai aura Upara nizcetana cetana kA pardA hai, nizcetana cetana ko hI 'mikenikala cetana' kahA hai! mizracetana-jJAnI kA yaha maulika zabda kyA sUcita karatA hai ki avasthA meM tanmayAkAra hotA hai tabhI se mizracetana hone lagatA hai| vaha phira dUsare janma meM paripakva hokara rUpaka meM AtA hai, jaba DiscArja kI prakriyA zurU hotI hai, taba vaha 'mikenikala cetana' kahalAtA hai!

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'riyala AtmA' aura 'rileTiva AtmA', ve kramazaH zAzvat aura azAzvat guNoM se parakhe jA sakate haiM / jaba taka 'riyala' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' nahIM hotA, taba taka 'rileTiva AtmA' ko hI 'riyala AtmA' mAnate haiM, bhrA~ti ke kAraNa ! yaha bhrA~ti vaijJAnika kAraNoM se hI utpanna hotI hai / bhrA~ti se jAnanevAlA aura karanevAlA, avinAzI aura vinAzI eka hI rUpa meM baratate haiN| jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' bhrA~ti tor3a deM aura 'riyala' aura 'rileTiva' ke bIca meM 'lAina oNpha DimArkezana' DAla deM, taba Atmadarzana jo kI guptasvarUpa hai, jisake alAvA jagat meM anya koI adbhuta darzana nahIM hai, vaha prApta hotA hai! phira to khuda kSetrajJa banakara parakSetra kI pratyeka kriyA ko jAnatA hai| svakSetra cUke ki kSetrAkAra ho gae ! jo 'paramAnenTa' hotA hai, vahI TemparerI ko TemparerI kaha sakatA hai, khuda 'paramAnenTa' hI hai, parantu usakA bhAna ho jAe taba ! hara eka kA vyaktitva alaga dikhane kA kAraNa yaha hai ki pratyeka vyakti dravya-kSetra-kAla aura bhAva ke adhIna hai ! parantu jaba isameM kSetra badalatA hai, eka hI kSetra meM dUsarA A jAe taba kAla badala cukA hotA hai, usake AdhAra para bhAva badala cukA hotA hai, isalie dravya bhI badala cukA hotA hai ! bAhara ke sabhI saMyoga badalate rahane ke bAvajUda AtmA ke svarUpa meM kucha bhI badalAva nahIM hotA / AtmA tInoM kAla meM zuddha svarUpa meM hI rahatA hai, mAtra AvaraNa ke kAraNa vAstavikatA dRSTi meM Ane se ruka jAtI hai| eka bAra dRSTi zuddha ho jAne ke bAda azuddhi ke lie sthAna nahIM rahatA, jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, tabhI taka ulTI dRSTi rahane kA kAraNa hai| phira bhI ina sabhI parivartanoM ke samaya nizcaya AtmA udAsInabhAva se, zuddhatva meM hI rahatA hai aura usake paryAya bhI zuddha haiM / vyavahAra AtmA ko zuddha yA azuddha paryAya haiN| vyavahAra satya kA Agraha rakhane se, phira se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna hotA hai| 'jJAnI' nahIM mileM to bigar3e hue vyavahAra ko zubha karanA cAhie aura jJAnI mila jAe~ to vyavahAra ko zuddha hI kara lenA cAhie! 'khuda' vyavahAra meM rahe to 'vyavahAra AtmA' aura 'khuda' 'nizcaya' meM rahe to 'nizcaya AtmA' ! parantu mUla sabhI meM 'khuda' aura sirpha 'khuda' hI hai| I 29

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jagat kA adhiSThAna kyA hai? use 'ekjekTa' rUpa se batAyA ho, to saMpUjya zrI dAdAzrI ne! jagat kA adhiSThAna 'pratiSThita AtmA' hai ! mUla AtmA to isameM saMpUrNa akartAbhAva se, udAsInabhAva se hI rahA huA hai| mAtra darzana zakti AvRta hone se, vibhAvika dRSTi hone se jagat khar3A ho gayA hai! jo mUla nizcaya AtmA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA hai aura vyavahAra meM mAnA huA AtmA, vaha pratiSThita AtmA hai| 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', 'isakA mAmA hU~, isakA cAcA hU~' isa prakAra 'roMga bilIfa' se pratiSThA karane se pratiSThita putalA khar3A ho gayA hai, jo phala detA hI rahatA hai| phala cakhate samaya ajJAnatA se phira vApasa naI pratiSThA karatA hai aura isa prakAra sAikala calatI hI rahatI hai| jaise zarAba ke amala manuSya vAstavikatA ko bhUlakara 'maiM rAjA hU~' aisA bolane lagatA hai, vaise hI ahaMkAra ke amala meM 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~, isakA pati hU~, bApa hU~...' aisA taraha-taraha kA bolatA hai! vAstava meM to khuda paramAtmA hI hai, caudaha lokoM kA dhanI hI hai, parantu 'roMga bilIfa' se vaha khuda strI kA pati bana baiThatA hai aura khuda kA pada kho baiThatA hai, 'jJAnIpuruSa' use nijapada kA bhAna karavAte haiM, ahaMkAra nirmUla kara dete haiM, pichale sabhI bhrAMta asara khatma ho jAe~, taba use pUrNapada prApta hotA hai! varnA jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka buddhi ke 'viz2ana' se dikhatA hai, aura AtmA kA kartAbhoktApana mAnA jAtA hai| jJAna se dekhane para 'AtmA kucha bhI nahIM karatA', aisA 'fiTa' ho jAtA hai| 'roMga bilIfa' khatma ho jAe, to vAstavikatA dRzyamAna hotI hai| badalI huI bilIfa hI saMsAra upArjana kA, prakRti kI utpatti kA kAraNa hai| mUla AtmA isameM sadA asaMga-nirlepa hI rahA hai! 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' se prakRti khar3I hotI hai, usameM kisIkA kartApana nahIM hai| prakRti iphekTiva hai aura usakA asara 'khuda' para hotA hai, parantu jaba taka 'roMga bilIfa' baiThI huI hai, tabhI taka! 'rAiTa bilIfa' se 'roMga bilIfa' kA chedana hotA hai aura 'rAiTa 30

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bilIfa' kA to khuda apane Apa se hI chedana ho jAtA hai| aura vahI, aise kalikAla meM bhI mukti ke lie akrama vijJAna kI, vartamAna 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI yahI g2az2aba kI khoja hai! 'rAiTa bilIfa' meM barate to svasattAdhArI hai aura 'roMga bilIpha' meM barate to parasattAdhIna hai| mithyAdRSTi sabakucha ulTA dikhAtI hai| jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ aura unakA satsaMga suneM, tabhI se dRSTi samyaka hone lagatI hai yA phira 'jJAnIpuruSa' se prArthanA karake apanI dRSTi badalavA lenI caahie| eka bAra dRSTi badala jAne ke bAda phira vaha bhagavAna hotA jAtA hai! zubhAzubha dharma meM satya-asatya kA sthAna hai| satya para rAga aura asatya para tiraskAra, yahI prApti kA tarIqA hai| zuddhadharma meM, Atmadharma meM usakA sthAna nahIM hai| Atmadharma to rAga-dveSa se pare, vItarAgatA kA hai| dRSTiviSa se rAga-dveSa hote haiN| jo dRSTi vinAzI vastuoM kI tarafa thI, use 'jJAnIpuruSa' avinAzI kI tarafa mor3a dete haiM, badala dete haiN| phira 'Atmavat sarva bhUteSu' dikhatA hai| AtmasAkSAtkAra aura AtmAnubhava meM bahuta farka hai| anubhava to aMtima sthiti hai aura vaha hamezA ke lie hotI hai aura sAkSAtkAra meM mAtra AtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai| AtmAnubhava hone ke bAda cAritra meM Ae, to use 'barata rahA hai', aisA kahA jAegA! arUpI AtmA kA sAkSAtkAra karanevAlA bhI arUpI hai, ataH svabhAva se svabhAva mila jAtA hai, aura vRttiyA~ vApasa nijaghara kI tarafa mur3atI haiN| AtmA 'kyA hai' aura 'kyA nahIM', donoM ko jAne, taba AtmA ko jAna liyA, kahA jaaegaa| ajJAnadazA meM 'AtmA zuddha-buddha hai' aisA nahIM kahate haiM, bahuta huA to deha kI (apekSA) dRSTi se azuddha hai aura AtmA kI dRSTi se zuddha hai, aisA kaha sakate haiN| jo eka bAra cakhane ke bAda vApasa kabhI bhI nahIM jAe, vaha AtmA kA AnaMda hai| Akara calA jAe, vaha mana kA AnaMda hai| jaba taka citta kaSAyoM meM par3A huA ho, taba taka AtmAnubhava asaMbhava hai ! niraMtara paramAnaMda 31

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sthiti, vahI AtmAnubhava hai| jo ciMtA-duHkha hote haiM, ve paravastu meM haiM, khuda meM nahIM haiM, jJAnI yaha bhAna karavA dete haiM, usake bAda aisI dRr3ha pratIti baiTha jAtI hai ki AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM hogaa| 'ekz2ekTa' rUpa meM AtmA prApta hone ke bAda mAtra DiscArja karma hI bAkI rahate haiM, saMvarapUrvaka kI nirjarA (dobArA karma bIja nahIM DaleM aura karma phala pUrA ho jAe) hI hotI hai, phira baMdha nahIM pdd'taa| karma kI sattA kaba taka hai ki jaba taka use 'khuda' AdhAra detA hai, vaha AdhAra haTa jAe to karma 'nyUTrala' bana jAte haiN| AdhAra kisa taraha se dete haiM ki karatA hai udayakarma aura kahatA hai ki 'maiMne yaha kiyA', yaha ajJAnatA se hai! 'jJAnIpuruSa' saMsAra kI sabhI kriyAe~ karane ke bAvajUda bhI 'maiM kucha bhI nahIM karatA hU~' satata aise qhayAla sahita AtmA meM hI rahate haiN| jaba ki ajJAnI, 'maiM karatA hU~' ke qhayAla se eka kSaNa bhI bAhara nahIM hotA! 'jisane AtmA ko jAnA, usane sarva jaanaa|' jinheM AtmAjJAna hai, ve kAraNa sarvajJa, kAraNa kevaLajJAnI kahalAte haiM! AtmajJAnI nirAgrahI, niahaMkArI hote haiN| _ 'maiM zarIra nahIM hU~, maiM zarIra nahIM hU~, maiM AtmA hU~, maiM AtmA hU~' aise gAte rahane se kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| isake lie to AtmA kA anubhava honA caahie| AtmajJAna prApta karane ke Aja taka jo-jo sAdhana kie, ve sabhI baMdhanarUpa ho ge| satsAdhana yAnI ki pratyakSa prakaTa 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA sevana ho (ke sAnidhya meM rahakara jJAna ko samajhe) tabhI chuTakArA hotA hai ! sAdhana to mAtra jJAna taka le jA sakate haiM, jaba ki AtmA to 'vijJAna svarUpa' hai| AtmA isa deha ke, gharoM ke, lAkha dIvAroM ke bhI ArapAra jA sakatA hai, aisA sUkSmatama hai| vaha kisa taraha se mila pAegA? cAhe kitanI bhI kaThora tapazcaryA yA sAdhanA kareM phira bhI AtmasAkSAtkAra honA kaThina hai| Adhe mIla kI dUrI para sTezana ho aura khuda ulTe rAste bAIsa mIla cale to usameM bhUla kisakI? rAstA bhUle, usameM deha kI kyA bhUla? bhUla to 32

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saba ajJAnatA kI hai| jJAnI AtmA kA jJAna dete haiM, itanA hI nahIM parantu sRSTi kI sarva ulajhanoM kA sarvAMgI samAdhAna bhI dete haiN| jJAnI se svarUpa kA jJAna prApta karane meM aMtarAya Ae to 'jJAnI se jJAna prApta karanA hI hai' aise nizcaya se TUTa jAte haiM yA phira jJAnI se vinatI kare ki 'mere aMtarAya tor3a dIjie' to ve tor3a dete haiN| varnA AtmA prApta karane kI icchAvAle ko koI pratikUlatA AtI hI nhiiN| pratikUlatA khuda kI hI kamaz2orI ke kAraNa haiN| nijaghara meM jAne meM pratikUlatA kaisI? khuda AtmA kA anubhava karanA ho to jaba koI jeba kATe, gAliyA~ de, mAre, to usa ghar3I 'yaha mere hI karma kA udaya hai, sAmanevAlA to nimitta hai, vaha to mujhe karma meM se mukta karavA rahA hai' aisA karake vaha nirdoSa dikhe aura Upara se use AzIrvAda deM, aura aisA hamezA rahe to AtmA prApta hogA hii| isa kAla meM itanA saba apane Apa ho sake, khuda kI aisI zakti nahIM hotI, isalie 'jJAnI' se eka bAra AtmA jAgRta karavA lene para, phira AtmA svapna meM bhI nahIM bhUlA jaataa| AtmA kA uddhAra kisa taraha se hogA? mUla AtmA kA uddhAra to ho hI cukA hai| mAtra isa mAne hue AtmA kA uddhAra karanA hai| vaha kisa taraha se hogA? 'khuda' ko jaba aisA samajha meM A jAegA ki, 'merA svarUpa to kevaLajJAna svarUpa hai, kevaLadarzana svarUpa hai, maiM kevaLa cAritramaya ha~' taba usakA bhI uddhAra ho jaaegaa| aura yaha vastu 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke alAvA aura kauna fiTa karavA sakatA hai? __ AtmA sUkSmatama hai, AtmA ke bAhara ke jo pradeza haiM ve sUkSmatara hai, parantu vANI sUkSmatara nahIM hotI, isalie vahA~ kA varNana karate hue 'vANI' ruka jAtI hai| vahA~ to anubhava hI niber3A lA sakatA hai| jo mAnA huA AtmA hai, usase khuda yathArtha AtmA ko dekhane jAegA to kahA~ se milegA? indriyadRSTi atIndriya ko kisa taraha se dekha sakegI? isake lie bIca meM 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI AvazyakatA hai ki jo dRSTi badala 33

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dete haiM, taba dikhatA hai| indriyA~ aise hI aMtaramukha nahIM hotI, indriyoM ko bAr3e meM nahIM DAla sakate! 'jJAnI' ne to khuda jisa pada ko prApta kiyA hai, vahI pada hameM prApta karavAte haiN| 'jJAnI' mila jAe~ to mokSa mokSa mA~ga lenA caahie| saMpUjya dAdAzrI ke pAsa jo 'akrama vijJAna' prakaTa huA hai, vaha bhrA~timArga se haTAkara mokSamArga pUrNa karavA detA hai, yAnI ki yaha pUrNavirAma mArga hai, alpavirAma mArga nahIM hai| akrama vijJAna to kahatA hai ki mokSa prApti meM yadi saMsAra bAdhaka hotA, taba to vaha kisIko bhI mokSa meM jAne hI nahIM detA na? akrama vijJAna dvArA Aja mokSa atyaMta AsAnI se prApta ho sake aisA hai isake lie akrama jJAnI ke pAsa pahu~cakara jAgRti meM, 'parama vinaya' aura 'maiM kucha bhI nahIM jAnatA' vaha bhAva aura kisa prakAra se 'ise' prApta kara leM, yaha bhAva hI usakI prApti karavAtI hai| bAkI aura koI bhI pAtratA isa kAla meM nahIM dekhI jAtI aura vaisI koI pAtratA hotI bhI nhiiN| akrama jJAnI ke pAsa pahu~ca gae, vahI paatrtaa| 'jJAnIpuruSa', parama pUjya dAdAzrI khuda kI bhAvanA ko chupI huI nahIM rakha sake, jo unake kAruNyatAbhare zabdoM se patA calatI hai ki "merA 'AiDiyA' aisA hai ki pUre jagat meM isa' vijJAna kI bAta kone-kone taka pahu~cAnI hai aura hara eka jagaha para zAMti honI hI caahie| merI bhAvanA, merI icchA, jo kaho vaha, merA yahI hai!" -- DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna 34

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anukramaNikA 53 [khaMDa : 1] AtmA kyA hogA? kaisA hogA? 1 janma meM AtmA yAnI kyA? 1 ...aura vidheyaka raha gae AtmA kyA hogA? 2 AtmA ke sAtha... AtmA jAno, jJAnI ke pAsa se 2 yahA~ para to eka avatAra kI gAranTI 38 AtmA ke astitva kI AzaMkA kise?3 bhrAMti hI lAtI hai janma-maraNa 38 AtmA kI asti ! kauna-se lakSaNa se?5 DiscArja ke samaya, ajJAnatA se cArja 40 ...lekina ve lakSaNa kisake? 6 kAraNoM ke pariNAmasvarUpa paribhramaNa 41 aura AtmasvarUpa ke kauna-se guNadharma?7 janma paribhramaNa tor3eM 'jJAnI' sukha kI pasaMdagI, lekina jIva ko hI 9 paMcendriyA~, eka janma taka hI jahA~ para lAgaNI hotI hai, vahA~ para cetana 10 sUkSma zarIra se saMbaMdha kaba taka? / ...lekina jise lAgaNI hotI hai, vaha kisa para kisakI vaNagaNA pudgala ! 11 AtmA zuddha hI! bilIfa hI roMga 48 niraMtara 'jAnanA', vaha caitanya svabhAva 11 vastuoM kA Avana-jAvana kaisA? 50 AtmA, kaisA anaMta guNadhAma 12 jagat meM sabase prathama to... 51 ve AtmaguNa kaba prakaTa hoMge? 12 saMyogoM meM bilIfa kI A~TI kauna AtmA pahacAnA kaise jAe? 13 nikAle? 'jJAnI' ke paricaya se, anaMta zaktiyA~ isIlie jJAniyoM ne kahA hai,anAdi-anaMta55 vyakta hotI hai 13 sanAtana kI zurUAta, vaha kyA hai? 56 'paTela' par3osI aura 'khuda' 'paramAtmA' meM 15 vyavahAra rAzi kI 'jyoM kI tyoM' vyavasthA 57 AtmA : sAkArI yA nirAkArI? 15 sRSTi ke sarjana-samApana kI samasyA 60 AtmA, deha meM kahA~ para nahIM hai? 18 yaha racanA, khuda hI vijJAna 62 kahA~ mAnyatA aura kahA~ vAstavikatA 20 rUpI tatvoM ke rUpa dikheM jaga meM 63 bhAjana ke anusAra saMkoca-vikAsa jaba dekhoge, taba aise kA aisA hI... 64 21 anAdisAMta se sAdianaMta kI ora 65 mRtyu ke bAda puna:praveza saMbhava hai? 23 jagat-svarUpa, avasthAoM kA rUpAMtara 66 mRtyu yAnI kyA? mRtyu ke bAda kyA? 24 kudarata kI agamya plAniMga 67 kudarata ke kitane hI eDajasTamenTsa 26 ...aMta meM to jJAnI kI saMjJA se hI hala 72 z2indagI ke sAra ke anusAra gati 27 mokSaprApti nizcita, kAla anizcita 74 mokSa kI z2arUrata to kise hai? ki... 29 ahaMkAra ko mor3anA, vItarAgoM kI rIta 75 aise haiM niyama kudarata ke 30 AtmajJAna ke bAda kramabaddhatA 77 punarjanma kA 'prosesa' kaba taka? 31 svabhAva se hI UrdhvagAmI! lekina kaba? 78 ...vahI kA vahI cakkara 32 adhogAmI to ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para 79 yojanA banI, vahI mUla karma 33 manuSya janma ke bAda vakragati Ayojana pUrvajanma kA, rUpaka isa ...taba mokSa meM jAegA hotA hai 0 my my my w 35

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gati meM bhaTakane kA kudaratI niyama bhinnatA dekhI, bhrAMti se ... jagat kalyANa kI adbhuta, apUrva bhAvanA88 91 .... taba 'jJAna - prakAza' meM AegA varlDa kI vAstavikatA, prakAzamAna kareM 'jJAnI' hI 85 86 92 93 99 jagat kA jAnA huA AtmA to ... aura vItarAgoM kI dRSTi se AtmA to ... 96 mizracetana, bAda meM mikenikala banA igoiz2ama, phira bhI sAdhana ke rUpa meM vastutvata: 'maiM' kyA hai? AtmajJAna jAneM ? yA phira ... ... usakA AsAna tarIqA kyA hai ? saMpUrNa ajJAna jAna le, taba bhI AtmA mila jAe yathArtha rUpa meM jagat 132 132 133 134 135 dRSTiphera se dazAphera barte 136 138 khuda ziva hai, lekina bhrAMti se jIva hai 137 jAnakAra hI judA kara sakate haiM jIva aura AtmA, nahIM haiM bhinna na hI 100 abhinna 100 maiM, bAvo, maMgaladAsa advaita kI anubhUti kaba ? dvaMdvAtIta hone se advaita bheda, brahmadarzana-Atmadarzana kA pahale brahmaniSTha, phira AtmaniSTha brahma to zabda se bhI pare hai aho ! aho usa dRSTi ko sva-svarUpa sadhe jJAnI ke sAnidhya meM 102 . aisA bhAna hone kI hI z2arUrata ..... 102 AtmabhAna hone para, khuda amara bhrAMti TUTane se miTeM bheda 144 104 'maiM- tU' ke bheda se, anubhUti nahIM hotI 145 104 ...lekina rAstA eka hI hai veda thyoriTikala, vijJAna prekTila anivAryatA, 'jJAnI' kI 146 105 kartA-bhoktA, yaha avasthA hai jIva kI 148 107 virodhAbhAsI vyavahAra kA aMta kaba AegA ? 149 109 ulTI mAnyatAe~, 'jJAnI' hI chur3avAe~ 110 bhrAMti kA, kitanA adhika asara zabda bhI anitya 149 152 152 156 sAdhana bhI samAe vikalpa meM vikalpoM ke kAraNa cUka jAte haiM aMtima maukA 111 'vastu' eka, dazAe~ aneka abudha hone para, abheda huA jAegA 112 mukta puruSa ko bhaje to mukta hotA hai 155 sa- iti to bhedavijJAna se hI 113 dazA phera ke lakSaNa AtmaprApti, kisake pAsa se saMbhava ? 114 khuda khuda kI pUrNAhuti, jJAnI ke sIr3hI eka aura sopAna aneka na dvaita, na advaita, AtmA dvaitAdvaita dvaita-advaita, donoM dvaMdva ! 116 nimitta se vaha... ajJAna ne AvRta kiyA brahma 157 116 pratIti paramAtmA kI prApta karavAe pUrNatva 158 120 pratyeka AtmA svataMtra hai, siddhakSetra meM bhI 159 121 bAta to vaijJAnika honI cAhie na ? 161 122 nahIM ho sakate AtmA ke vilInIkaraNa 162 sat prApta karavAne ke lie kaisI kAruNyatA123 teja mila jAe teja meM, to khuda kA ekAMtika mAnyatA se rukA, AtamajJAna 124 kyA rahA? brahma satya hai aura jagat bhI satya hai, lekina... vAstavikatA samajhanI to par3egI na ! 'sat' prApti ke bAda, jo 'satya' bacA 139 141 142 143 163 165 sanAtana sukha meM DUbe rahanA, vahI mokSa 164 125 siddhagati meM sukha kA anubhava 127 svabhAva se eka samAna, lekina astitva se bhinna 129 vastu-svarUpa ke vibhAjana nahIM hote 131 kyA rupayA kabhI paisA banA hai ? 36 166 168 170

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sahI samajha, sarvavyApaka kI 171 AtmA ko baMdhana... 190 prameya ke anusAra pramAtA-AtmA 173 mokSadAtA milane se, mile mokSa 192 prameya brahmAMDa, pramAtA paramAtmA 174 mokSa prApti kA bhAva kisakA? 193 sApekSa dRSTi se sarvavyApaka 175 ... aura AvAgamana bhI ahaMkAra kA hI 195 jagat meM sabhI ora AtmA hI? 176 du:kha, AtmA svarUpa ko hai hI nahIM 196 tAdRza, dRSTAMta meM, 'maulika spaSTIkaraNa' 177 dvaMdvoM ne die baMdhana 198 AtmA nirguNa hai yA anaMta guNadhAma? 179 lekina mokSa sAdhe to kAma kA 199 nahIM hai nirguNa jagat meM koI 180 kyA sarvAtmA kA mokSa saMbhava hai? 199 aMta meM to prAkRta guNoM ko hI namo siddhANaM, kI bhajanA dhyeya svarUpa se201 poSaNa milA 182 siddha kI nahIM hai pravRtti, phira bhI kriyA 202 rUpaka, laukika aura alaukika dRSTi se183 siddhakSetra kI kaisI adbhutatA 202 mokSa arthAt sva-guNadharma meM pravRtta 189 g2az2aba kA siddhapada, vahI aMtima lakSya 203 karekTanesa samajhanA, 'jJAnI' se 189 [khaMDa : 2] 'maiM kauna hU~?' jAneM kisa taraha? 206 nahIM miTa sakatA khuda se potApaNuM 229 aba, phere TaleM kisa taraha? 206 yaha samajhane kI koziza phalegI kyA? 230 TemparerI ko dekhanevAlA hI paramAnenTa 208 yaha to parAI ciTThI 'khuda' ne le lI 231 khuda ke guNa kauna se? usameM bhI bhUla 211 saMsAra meM asaMgatA, kRpA se prApta 231 vaha guptasvarUpa, adbhuta! adbhuta 212 sarvAMgI spaSTata samajha se ulajhana jAe 233 mAnyatA kI hI mUla bhUla... 213 rilezana meM bhUlA 'khuda' khuda ko 233 ...yaha bhrAMti kauna miTAe? 214 badalI bilIfa, 'vastu' saMbaMdhI 234 vinAzI aura avinAzI kA bheda kyA hai?215 mukti mAMge saiddhAMtika samajha vinAzI dharma meM, avinAzI kI bhrAMti 217 sva-svabhAva meM, baratane se samAdhi 236 paramAtmA pahu~cAe~ prakAza aura paramAnaMda 218 aise kAla meM prayatnoM se prApti saMbhava hai? 237 svabhAva kI bhajanA se, svAbhAvika sukha 219 kriyA nahIM, bhAna badalanA hai 238 aisA svarUpa jagat kA rahA 220 AtmavikAsa meM nahIM hotI, pratikUlatA kartApada, vahI bhrAMti 221 kabhI 238 AtmA ko sunA nahIM, zraddhA nahIM rakhI, pratyakSa se lAbha uThA lo 239 jAnA nahIM, to... 222 samajha binA kyA sAdhanA kare? 239 adhyAtma ke aMdhakAra ko vilIna kare adhyAtma ke bAdhaka kAraNa 240 222 jagat meM adhyAtmamArga kahA~? 241 jJAnI bartAe~, AtmapariNati meM 223 pApoM ke jalane se hI, lakSya-jAgRti barate244 jJAnAMkSepakavaMta vicAradhArA kAma kI... 224 'eka' ke binA zUnya kI sthiti bekAra 245 jo mokSa meM na rakheM, ve mokSadAtA hI nahI 226 AtmA to, nirIkSaka ke bhI usa pAra 247 anAdi se svarUpa nirdhAraNa meM hI bhUla 226 anubhUti kI ulTI A~TI 248 sabhI sAdhana baMdhana bane 227 mAnA huA nahIM, jAnA huA honA cAhie 249 37 235 jJAnI

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290 jJAnI ke binA koTi upAya bhI vyartha 252 kyA nahIM hai, jAneM kisa taraha? 287 jagat meM cetana kaba jAnA jA sakatA hai?253 akrama mArga para liphTa meM maz2e se mokSa 288 dehAdhyAsa chUTane para AtmAnubhava 255 jJAnI ke pAsa pahu~cA, vahI pAtratA / 290 ohoho! AtmajJAna kI adbhutatA kaisI 256 jijJAsu vRtti to prApta karavAe vastu vaha jAnanevAlA, kitanA zaktivAna 258 akrama mArga kI advitIya siddhiyA~ 292 arUpI ko arUpI kA sAkSAtkAra 259 aho! AtmA ko jAnane kA matalaba to...293 anubhava bhinna! sAkSAtkAra bhinna 259 ...jJAnI ke bhedajJAna se jAnA jA sakatA hai 294 anubhavI hI karavAe AtmAnubhava 260 vItarAga dRSTi se, vilaya hotA hai saMsAra 294 jo Tike nahIM, vaha AtmAnubhava nahIM 260 dRSTi badale binA sabakucha vyartha 296 anubhava ke bAda meM barate cAritra 261 jJAnI kRpA se badale dRSTi 298 zuddha svarUpa kI prApti 'maiM' ko hI 261 indriyoM kA aMtaramukha yA AtmArUpa honA? 299 ajJAna hai, tabhI taka ahaMkAra 262 ...ve sabhI mikenikala eDajasTamenTa 300 sarva anubhavoM se nyArA, AtmAnubhava 262 sabhI asaroM kA kAraNa ahaMkAra hI 301 bAta meM A jAe taba... 263 zuddhatA kI zaMkA kA zamana kisa taraha? 303 AtmajJAna jJAnI ke pAsa se.... 264 darzana badalA, AtmA nahIM 304 vastu prApti kI pratIti... 266 niber3A lAne kA tarIqA anokhA 305 ba~dhe, bilIfa dvArA... 267 'jJAna' to kare opana 'haqIqata' 306 aMta meM AtmarUpa hone para hI mukti 268 saMsArakAla meM, amala ajJAnatA kA hI 308 deha chUTe lekina bilIfa nahIM chUTatI 271 'karma kA kartA' kauna? 312 bilIfa badalane se, chUTeM karma 271 azuddhatA kI utpatti kisameM? 314 bilIfa se bilIfa kA chedana 272 'vyavahAra AtmA', ko mAnA gayA nirAlaMba kI dRSTi se,vastutva kA siddhAMta 273 'nizcaya AtmA' 315 jJAnI ke prayoga se,AtmA-anAtmA bhinna 273 'rUpaka' kI nirjarA, lekina 'bilIfa' jJAnaprApti, bhAvanA ke pariNAma svarUpa 274 se 'baMdha' 316 .....to jJAnAMtarAya TUTeMge 274 'pratyakSa' jJAnI hI, 'haqIqata' prakAzita ...taba AtmavartanA baratatI hai 274 kareM 319 zuddhAtmA zabda kI samajha 276 avaktavya anubhava, maulika tatva ke 320 soham se zuddhAtmA nahIM sAdhA jA sakatA 277 AtmA se AtmA kA darzana? 320 zuddha ho jAne para zuddhAtmA bola sakate haiM277 sunAra kI dRSTi to zuddhatA para hI 321 prakaTa se prakaTe, yA pustaka ke dIye se? 278 riyala-rileTiva, spaSTIkaraNa vijJAna ke 322 samaraNa se zuddhAtmA nahIM hai sAdhya 279 jJAnI to sahaja hI siddhAMta prakAzamAna bAr3AbaMdI to vibhAvikatA meM 280 kareM 323 roMga bilIfa miTane se bhagavAna meM abheda 281 jaga-adhiSThAna, jJAnI ke jJAna meM zuddhatA barate isalie, zuddhAtmA kaho 282 darzana zuddha hone para zuddha meM samAveza 325 kartAbhAva meM baratane se karmabaMdhana 283 mUlasvarUpa ke bhAna se khuda kA uddhAra 326 zuddha-azuddha, kisa apekSA se 285 'kyA hai' jAnA, lekina... 286 38 324

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AptavANI zreNI -8 khaMDa : 1 AtmA kyA hogA? kaisA hogA? AtmA yAnI kyA? praznakartA : AtmA yAnI kyA? dAdAzrI : AtmA yAnI cetana / praznakartA : to cetana yAnI AtmA aura AtmA yAnI cetana ? dAdAzrI : nahIM / AtmA to sirpha zabda hI hai aura cetana bhI sirpha zabda hai, parantu ina logoM ko samajhAne ke lie kahanA par3atA hai| varnA, vaha zabda se pare haiN| lekina u~galInirdeza to karanA par3egA na ! nahIM to pahacAnoge nhiiN| kisa taraha se pahacAnoge? isalie apane loga kahate haiM na ki, tere AtmA ko khoja? AtmA arthAt 'selpha'! 'khuda kauna hai' yaha jAnanA, isIko AtmA kahate haiM !! aura usI AtmA ko pahacAnanA hai / ' roMga bilIfa' khatma ho jAe aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiTha jAe taba aisA ho pAegA, nahIM to kisa taraha se ho pAegA? AtmA kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : AtmA vastu hogA yA avastu ?

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : avstu| dAdAzrI : yaha jo dikhatA hai, vaha vastu hai yA avastu? praznakartA : AtmA ko to dekhA nahIM jA sakatA na, isalie avastu hai, vastu ko to dekhA jA sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vastu aura avastu, vaha Apako samajhAtA huuN| hara eka vastu jo avinAzI hotI hai, use vastu kahate haiM aura vinAzI hotI hai, use avastu kahate haiN| AtmA AtmArUpa hI hai| AtmA vastu ke rUpa meM anaMta guNoM kA dhAma hai! aura hara eka vastu khuda dravya ke rUpa meM guNa sahita aura avasthA sahita hotI hai| dravya-guNa-paryAya jisameM hote haiM, use 'vastu' kahate haiN| vastu, vaha avinAzI kahalAtI hai| AtmA bhI khuda vastu hai, usakA khuda kA dravya hai, khuda ke guNa haiM aura khuda ke paryAya haiN| aura ve paryAya utpAta, vyaya aura dhruva sahita haiN| aura ina A~khoM se jo dikhatA hai, vaha saba avastu hai, vinAzI hai, aura AtmA avinAzI hai, vastu hai| aisI chaha avinAzI vastue~ haiM, jagat ina chaha tatvoM se banA huA hai| ye chaha tatva eka dUsare ke sAtha aise parivartanazIla hote rahate haiM aura usake kAraNa avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiN| una avasthAoM se yaha jagat dikhatA hai| jagat meM sirpha avasthAe~ hI dikhatI haiN| AtmA jAno, jJAnI ke pAsa se yAnI jAnane jaisI cIz2a isa duniyA meM yadi koI hai to vaha AtmA hai| aura AtmA ko jAnanevAle loga isa duniyA meM muzkila se eka yA do hI hote haiN| yAnI ki hara koI AtmA ko nahIM jAna sktaa| manuSya bAkI sabhIkucha jAna sakatA hai, parantu AtmA ko nahIM jAna sktaa| aura jo AtmA ko jAna le na, use kevaLajJAna hone meM dera hI nahIM lgegii| aba yadi ve AtmA ko 'jJAnIpuruSa' se jAneMge taba AtmA prApta hogA, varnA AtmA kabhI bhI prApta nahIM hogaa| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ne AtmA dekhA hai, jAnA hai, anubhava kiyA huA hai aura 'khuda' 'AtmA' svarUpa hI rahate

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AptavANI-8 haiN| isalie aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa se 'khuda' 'AtmA' ko jAnegA, taba kAma hogaa| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa aisA AtmA jAnane baiThe, taba 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI sAmAyika se pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAte haiN| aura pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAe~, tabhI AtmA lakSya meM AtA hai, nahIM to lakSya meM nahIM A paataa| aura phira vaha lakSya niraMtara rahatA hai, nahIM to duniyA kI koI cIz2a niraMtara yAda hI nahIM rahatI, thor3I dera yAda AtI hai aura phira vApasa bhUla jAte haiN| aura yaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa pApa dhula jAte haiM, isalie AtmA kA lakSya baiThatA hai| AtmA ke astitva kI AzaMkA kise? praznakartA : AtmA hogA yA nahIM, yaha zaMkA utpanna ho, aisA hai| dAdAzrI : AtmA hai hii| praznakartA : ina sabhI phaoNrina ke sAinTisToM ne aisI saba khoja kI hai ki kA~ca ke baoNksa meM marate hue AdamI ko rakhakara jIva kisa taraha se jAtA hai, kahA~ se jAtA hai, ina sabakI jA~ca karane ke lie bahuta prayatna kie haiM, parantu 'AtmA hai yA nahIM', aisA kucha lagA nhiiN| jIva hai hI nahIM' aisA siddha kara diyaa| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| parantu 'yaha ajIva hai' aisA kahate haiM? yaha peTI ajIva hai yA nahIM? ajIva hI hai na? taba phira yaha manuSya aura yaha peTI saba eka sarIkhA hai? praznakartA : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| parantu jIva jaisI koI vastu bAhara nahIM nikalatI, aisA kahanA cAhate haiN| dAdAzrI : ye sAinTisTa 'manuSya' banAte haiM, naye hRdaya banAte haiM, sabakucha banAte haiM na? agara ve nayA manuSya banA deM, to kyA apane jaisA vyavahAra kara sakegA vaha? praznakartA : nahIM kara skegaa|

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : to phira kisa AdhAra para ve samajhate haiM ki jIva jaisA kucha hai hI nahIM? 4 praznakartA : una logoM ne to kA~ca kI peTI meM marate hue manuSya ko rakhA thA, parantu jIva nikalate samaya kucha bhI dikhA nahIM isalie mAna liyA ki jIva nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, yA to koI nAsamajha manA karegA, yA phira samajhadAra manA kregaa| parantu isa kAraNa se sabhI logoM ko zaMkA utpanna nahIM hotI hai na! aura jo zaMkA karatA hai na, ki jIva jaisI vastu nahIM hai, jo aisA kahatA hai na, vahI khuda jIva hai / jise zaMkA hotI hai na vahI jIva hai, nahIM to zaMkA hogI hI nahIM / aura ye dUsarI jar3a vastue~ haiM na, inako kisIko bhI zaMkA nahIM hotii| yadi kisIko zaMkA hotI hai, to vaha jIva ko hI hotI hai, anya koI cIz2a aisI nahIM hai ki jise zaMkA hotI ho| Apako samajha meM AtA hai aisA? marane ke bAda use khuda ko zaMkA hogI? nahIM? to kyA calA jAtA hogA? hRdaya baMda ho jAtA hogA? kyA hotA hogA ? praznakartA : hRdaya baMda ho jAtA hai, isalie manuSya mara jAtA hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, usase to manuSya mara hI jAtA hai| zvAsa ke AdhAra para hI yaha jIvita rahatA hai / yaha jIva jo aMdara hai na, vaha zvAsa ke AdhAra para hI TikA huA hai| jaba taka zvAsa calatA rahegA, taba taka vaha rahegA / praznakartA : parantu jaba zarIra ke mahatvapUrNa avayava kAma karanA baMda kara deM, taba manuSya kI mRtyu ho jAtI hai / yadi aisA hI hai, to jIva jaisI vastu hI nahIM rhii| dAdAzrI : jIva jaisI vastu hai hI / vaha khuda hI jIva hai, phira bhI khuda apane Apa para zaMkA karatA hai / jise yaha zaMkA hotI hai na, vahI jIva hai| isa deha meM jIva nahIM hai, aisI jo zaMkA karatA hai na, vahI jIva hai| khuda ke mu~ha meM jIbha nahIM ho aura khuda bole ki, 'mere mu~ha meM jIbha nahIM

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AptavANI-8 hai', yahI siddha karatA hai ki jIbha hai hI aNdr| samajha meM AyA na? isalie yaha zaMkA hai| yaha vAkya hI virodhAbhAsI hai| loga kahate haiM, 'jaba manuSya kA nidhana hotA hai, taba usameM jIva jaisI koI vastu nahIM rahatI', ye zabda khuda hI zaMkA utpanna karate haiM, use zaMkA huI hai| yaha zaMkA hI siddha kara detI hai ki jIva hai vahA~ pr| ___maiM sAinTisToM ke pAsa baitUM na, to una sabhI ko turanta samajhA dU~ ki yaha jIva bola rahA hai| tU bhalA, terI naI zaMkAe~ khar3I kara rahA hai? yAnI jIva to dehadhArI meM hai hii| aura yaha 'jIva nikala jAtA hai' aisA udAharaNa nahIM dete hama loga? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aura yahA~ para injekzana denA par3atA hai na, taba kyoM sunna karanA par3atA hai? kisalie sunna karanA par3atA hai? / praznakartA : darda aura asara nahIM ho, islie| dAdAzrI : usa jIva ko utane bhAga meM se haTAne ke lie 'injekzana' denA par3atA hai, jIva ko haTAne ke lie sunna karate haiN| jaba taka jIva rahe, taba taka 'oNparezana' kI vedanA sahana nahIM ho pAtI, samajha meM AyA Apako? AtmA kI asti! kauna-se lakSaNa se? dAdAzrI : cetana aura jar3a meM koI farka hogA kyA? cetana ke guNadharma hoMge? praznakartA : avshy| dAdAzrI : kyA-kyA guNadharma haiM? praznakartA : cetana hila-Dula sakatA hai, use lAgaNI (bhAvukatAvAlA prema, lagAva) hotI hai| dAdAzrI : hilanA-DulanA, vaha to mazInarI bhI kara sakatI hai| skUTara, enjina, gAr3iyA~ vagairaha calate-phirate haiM hI na! aura ye banAe hue

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AptavANI-8 putale, ve hilate-Dulate nahIM haiM kyA? jo hilate-Dulate haiM, ve jIva nahIM khlaate| hilane-Dulane se yadi AtmA kA patA calatA, to phira mazInarI bhI calatI hI hai n| aura kauna-se lakSaNa se Apako patA calatA hai? aura kisa cIz2a se Apako patA calatA hai ki isameM AtmA hai? praznakartA : hara eka prakAra kI kriyAe~ karate haiM hama sb| dAdAzrI : 'sabhI prakAra kI kriyAe~' vaha bhI kAma nahIM aaegaa| 'mazInariyA~' sabhI prakAra kI kriyAe~ kara sakatI haiN| __ praznakartA : 'mazInariyA~' sabhI kriyAe~ karatI haiM, parantu dayA aura prema nahIM batA sakatIM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha farka hai| yAnI jahA~ para jJAna hai yA ajJAna hai, ajJAna ho to ajJAna aura jJAna ho to jJAna, parantu jahA~ kisI bhI prakAra kA jJAna hai yA ajJAna hai, dayA hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai, aisA pakkA ho gyaa| bAkI jo hilatA hai, calatA hai, vaha to 'mazInarI' bhI calatI hI hai na! aba yadi kisI meM dayA nahIM ho aura vaha gAliyA~ detA hai to vahA~ para AtmA hai yA nahIM hai? praznakartA : AtmA to hai hI n| dAdAzrI : to dayA nahIM hai vahA~ para bhI AtmA hai? praznakartA : hA~, mazInarI to dayA aura krodha to nahIM batAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, yAnI jahA~ para yaha saba hai vahA~ para AtmA hai, aisA pakkA ho jAtA hai| yaha 'TeparikArDa' bolatA z2arUra hai, paranta krodha aura lobha usameM nahIM hote na? ye jo lAgaNiyA~ haiM, ve bhI 'TeparikArDa' meM nahIM hotI haiM n| aura jahA~ para lAgaNiyA~ haiM, vahA~ para AtmA hai| ...lekina ve lakSaNa kisake? ye lAgaNiyA~ AtmA kI hotI hoMgI yA deha kI hoMgI? vaha deha kA guNa hogA yA AtmA kA guNa hogA?

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AptavANI-8 hoMge? praznakartA : AtmA kA / dAdAzrI : aisA ! ye krodha - mAna-mAyA-lobha sabhI kyA AtmA guNa 7 praznakartA : haaN| sabakA kartA AtmA hI honA cAhie / dAdAzrI : lekina loga to krodha-mAna-mAyA - lobha nikAlanA cAhate haiN| yadi ye guNa AtmA ke hote to phira ve guNa to kabhI jAe~ge hI nahIM / aura loga kyA krodha - mAna-mAyA-lobha ko nikAlane kA prayatna nahIM karate? praznakartA : sabhI nikAlane ke lie 'TrAi' to kara rahe haiN| dAdAzrI : lekina yadi ye AtmA ke guNadharma hote to koI nikAla hI nahIM sakegA na! yadi inheM nikAleMge to AtmA bhI calA jAegA isalie ye AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM / praznakartA : ye deha ke guNa haiM? I dAdAzrI : deha ke bhI guNa nahIM haiM aura AtmA ke bhI guNa nahIM haiM yadi inheM AtmA ke guNa kaheMge, to krodha - mAna - mAyA - lobha, ye saba nirbalatAe~ haiM, jaba ki AtmA to paramAtmA hai ! unameM nirbalatA kA eka bhI guNa nahIM hai !!! aura AtmasvarUpa ke kauna-se guNadharma ? kucha loga kahate haiM na, 'jo bolatA hai, vaha aMdara AtmA bolatA hai / ' lekina jo bolatA hai, vaha jIva bhI nahIM hai aura bhagavAna bhI nahIM hai, vaha to 'rikArDa' bolatA hai / yaha merI vANI hai na, yaha bhI 'rikArDa' hI bola rahA hai, maiM nahIM bolatA / yaha saba 'rikArDa' bola rahA hai, 'TeparikArDa'! yaha 'orIjInala TeparikArDa' bajatA hai, usa para se yaha 'Tepa' taiyAra hotI hai, phira usa para se dUsarI taiyAra hotI hai| yAnI pahale yaha 'rikArDa' aura usa para se jitanI cAhie, utanI ' rikArDa' taiyAra ho sakatI haiN| ataH ye jo vANI bolate haiM, yaha sArI 'mazIna' cala rahI hai, khAte haiM,

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AptavANI-8 pIte haiM, khUna pravAhita hotA hai, lekina yaha jIva nahIM khlaataa| yaha to mikenikala hai| jIva to jJAna svarUpa hai, jJAna arthAt prakAzasvarUpa hai| isameM jo prakAzasvarUpa hai aisA dUsare svarUpa meM nahIM hotaa| rAta ko a~dhere meM zrIkhaMDa hAtha meM deM, to phira zrIkhaMDa kahA~ rakhate ho? mu~ha meM rakhate samaya A~kha meM nahIM ghusa jAtA? yA mu~ha meM hI jAtA hai? kyA kahate ho? kyoM bole nahIM? ghora a~dhere meM zrIkhaMDa Apako de to Apa mu~ha meM hI DAlate ho na? phira Apase yadi koI pUche ki Apane kyA khAyA, to Apa kyA kahate ho? praznakartA : shriikhNdd| dAdAzrI : phira Apase pUche ki isa zrIkhaMDa ke aMdara kyA-kyA hai? taba Apa kyA kahoge? praznakartA : dahI, ciinii| dAdAzrI : haaN| aura dahI jarA bigar3a gayA hai, aisA-vaisA ho to patA calatA hai yA nahIM calatA? praznakartA : avshy| dAdAzrI : aura acchA ho taba bhI patA calatA hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aura cInI kama ho to patA calatA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : cInI adhika ho to patA calatA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aura cInI bahuta adhika ho to? praznakartA : vaha bhI patA calatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : rAta ko a~dhere meM kisa taraha patA calatA hai? a~dhere meM patA cala jAtA hai? aura phira aMdara kizamiza, cirauMjI Ae to patA calatA hai? ilAyacI kA choTA dAnA ho to bhI patA calatA hai ? praznakartA dAdAzrI : to ina sabako jo jAnatA hai na, vahI jIva hai| praznakartA : ye loga kahate haiM ki jJAnataMtuoM ke kAraNa patA calatA hai, jJAnataMtu nahIM hoMge to patA hI nahIM clegaa| haaN| : dAdAzrI : hA~, jJAnataMtu nahIM hoMge to phira patA nahIM clegaa| parantu jise patA calatA hai, vaha jIva hai / aura jJAnataMtuoM ke bIca meM tAra kI DoriyA~ haiM, yadi ve tAra kI DoriyA~ taiyAra nahIM hoMgI to jIva ko patA hI nahIM clegaa| parantu jise patA calatA hai vaha jIva hai / Apako samajha meM AyA na? hilanA-DulanA, vaha to 'mazInarI' hilatI-DulatI hai| ye guNadharma cetana meM nahIM hai| cetana ke guNadharma kauna-kauna se haiM? usakA anaMta jJAnaprakAza hai, anaMta darzanaprakAza hai, anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM, anaMta sukha kA dhAma hai ! sukha kI pasaMdagI, lekina jIva ko hI aba, sukha kauna DhU~DhatA hai? jise du:kha pasaMda nahIM hai, vaha kauna hai ? duHkha kisalie pasaMda nahIM hai? yadi yaha zarIra jIva rahita hotA na, to duHkha aura sukha eka samAna lagatA / isakA kyA kAraNa hai? aisA kucha socA hai? kyA socA hai? kisI bhI jIva ko duHkha pasaMda nahIM hai, yaha bAta pakkI hai na? kisI bhI jIva ko duHkha acchA lagatA hai kyA ? ina cIMTiyoM ke lie Apa yahA~ para cInI DAlo to khuza hokara bhAgadaur3a karake le jAtI haiM aura vahA~ para aise kaMkar3a DAlo to? bhAga jAtI haiN| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? pasaMda kyA hai? sukh| ataH jise du:kha pasaMda nahIM hai aura jo sukha DhU~DhatA hai, vaha jIva hai| jo calatA-phiratA hai, vaha jIva nahIM hai|

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AptavANI-8 jahA~ para lAgaNI hotI hai, vahA~ para cetana phira, jise lAgaNI hotI hai, lAgaNI hotI hai yA nahIM? vaha jIva hai| aura jIva hI AtmA hai aura vahI cetana hai aura vaha paramAtmA bana sakatA hai ! 'phula', 'paraphekTa' ho jAe taba 'vaha' 'paramAtmA' banatA hai!! Apako samajha meM AyA na? ki jahA~ thor3I-sI bhI lAgaNI hotI hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai, cetana hai aisA taya ho gyaa| yAnI jahA~ para lAgaNI hai, vahA~ hameM jAnanA hai ki yahA~ para cetana hai aura jisameM lAgaNI nahIM hai vahA~ para cetana nahIM hai, vahA~ anAtmA hai| ye per3a-paudhe bhI lAgaNIvAle haiN| praznakartA : per3a to ekendriya haiM? dAdAzrI : ekendriya yAnI unheM sparza kI indriyoM kI lAgaNI hai, ve sparzendriya kI lAgaNI vyakta karate haiN| ye jIvamAtra lAgaNIvAle haiN| jise lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai aisA nizcita ho gyaa| jise lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai vahI AtmA hai, aisA nahIM hai, parantu jahA~ para lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai| aura jahA~ lAgaNI utpanna nahIM hotI vahA~ para AtmA nahIM hai| ....lekina jise lAgaNI hotI hai, vaha pudgala! aba AtmA kyA hai? vahA~ para use lAgaNI yA kucha nahIM hai| AtmA to sirpha prakAza svarUpa hai! parantu jahA~ para lAgaNiyA~ haiM, usa para se hama patA lagA sakate haiM ki yahA~ para AtmA hai| praznakartA : yAnI jisake AdhAra para lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai vaha cetana hai yA jahA~ lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, usa jagaha para cetana hai? dAdAzrI : 'jisake AdhAra para lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai vaha cetana hai', aise usakA AdhAra kaheMge to vApasa naI gar3abar3a paidA hogI yAnI cetana kI upasthiti se yaha lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai| arthAt jahA~ para lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, vahA~ para cetana hai|

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : vaha lAgaNI utpanna huI aura jo abhivyakta huA, vaha cetana abhivyakta nahIM huA hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha abhivyakta bhI sArA pudgala (jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai) hI hotA hai, lekina jahA~ para lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, vahA~ para cetana hai isalie yaha lAgaNI utpanna hotI hai, pIDA utpanna hotI hai| yAnI cetana aura jar3a kA vibhAjana karanA ho to, isa 'TeparikArDa' meM lAgaNI utpanna nahIM hotI, isalie isameM cetana nahIM hai| niraMtara 'jAnanA', vaha caitanya svabhAva praznakartA : yAnI cetana aura meTara meM farka hai kyA? dAdAzrI : bahuta hii| cetana to arUpI hai, jaba ki meTara to rUpI hai, aura sar3a jAtA hai, gira jAtA hai aisA hai, bikhara jAtA hai, bahuta samaya ho jAe to sar3atA rahatA hai, aura phira A~kha se dikhe aisA rUpI hai, jIbha se cakhA jA sake aisA hai, kAna se sunA jA sake aisA hai aura cetana to paramAtmA hai! praznakartA : to AtmA aura anAtmA meM farka kyA hai? dAdAzrI : inameM guNadharma ke AdhAra para farka hai| hara eka vastu ke guNadharma hote haiM na? yaha sonA, sone ke guNadharma meM hotA hai, tAMbA, tAMbe ke guNadharma meM hotA hai| guNadharma se vastu pahacAnI jA sakatI hai yA nahIM pahacAnI jA sakatI? praznakartA : pahacAnI jA sakatI hai| dAdAzrI : usI prakAra AtmA ke aura anAtmA ke khuda ke guNadharma hote haiN| usameM AtmA ke aura anAtmA ke kAphI kucha guNadharma milatejulate haiM, parantu kucha bAbata meM kucha guNa nahIM milte| jo caitanya svabhAva hai vaha anya kisI vastu meM nahIM hai| caitanya arthAt jJAna aura darzana! yAnI yaha jJAna aura darzana, ye AtmA ke guNa haiN| niraMtara jAnate hI

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AptavANI-8 rahane kA svabhAva AtmA kA hai| yaha jAnane kA svabhAva anya kisI jar3a meM nahIM hai| isa deha meM jAnane kA svabhAva nahIM hai| jAnane kA svabhAva AtmA kA svabhAva hai aura vahI paramAtmA hai! AtmA, kaisA anaMta guNadhAma praznakartA : AtmA to jJAnavAlA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha khuda hI jJAna hai| khuda jJAnavAlA nahIM hai, khuda hI jJAna hai! use jJAnavAlA kaheMge to 'jJAna' aura 'vAlA' ye donoM alaga ho ge| ataH AtmA khuda hI jJAna hai, vaha prakAza hI hai khuda! usa prakAza ke AdhAra para hI yaha sabakucha dikhatA hai| usa prakAza ke AdhAra para yaha saba samajha meM bhI AtA hai, aura jAnA bhI jA sakatA hai, jAna bhI pAte haiM aura samajha meM bhI AtA hai! yAnI AtmA to paramAtmA hai, anaMtaguNa kA dhAma hai ! usake to bahuta sAre guNa haiM, itane sAre guNa haiM ki bAta mata pUcho!! AtmA usake khuda ke hI 'svAbhAvika' guNoM kA dhAma hai, yAnI ki ve guNa kabhI bhI jAe~ nahIM, aise guNoM kA dhAma haiM! anaMta jJAna hai, anaMta darzana hai, anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM, anaMta sukha kA dhAma hai, avyAbAdha svarUpI hai, aise taraha-taraha ke AtmA ke guNa haiN| ve AtmaguNa kaba prakaTa hoMge? eka sekanDa ke lie bhI ApameM eka bhI AyA nahIM hai, Apa abhI prAkRta guNa vedate ho| 'ApakI' bilIfa ke anusAra Apako guNa prApta hoNge| 'Apa' 'caMdUlAla' rahoge to Apako prAkRtaguNa prApta hoMge aura 'Apa' 'zuddha caitanya' bana jAoge to phira khuda ke svAbhAvika' guNa utpanna hoMge! Apako jahA~ para baiThanA hai, vahA~ baittho| jahA~ AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM, vahA~ para AtmA hai hI nhiiN| yaha sonA apane guNadharma meM rahatA hai, taba taka sonA hai, dUsaroM ke guNa meM khuda nahIM hotaa| isa saMsAra meM jo dikhate haiM, ve dUsaroM ke guNa haiM sAre, vahA~ para 'khuda'

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AptavANI-8 hai hI nhiiN| khuda' usameM jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai, parantu tanmayAkAra nahIM rhtaa| 'AtmA' unameM miksa nahIM ho gayA hai| AtmA milAvaTavAlA nahIM hai, AtmA nirbhela (milAvaTa rahita) hai! AtmA pahacAnA kaise jAe? praznakartA : AtmA dekhA jA sakatA hai? yA kalpanA hI hai? dAdAzrI : hama sabako havA dikhatI nahIM hai, phira bhI Apako patA calatA hai na ki havA hai? yA nahIM patA calatA? itra kI sugaMdha AtI hai, lekina vaha sugaMdha dikhatI hai kyA? phira bhI hameM isa bAta kA pakkA patA calatA hai na ki yaha 'itra hai'? isI prakAra 'AtmA hai' usakA hameM yaqIna hotA hai! jaise sugaMdha para se itra ko pahacAnA jA sakatA hai, usI prakAra AtmA ko bhI usake sukha para se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai, phira yaha pUrA jagat jaisA hai vaisA dikhatA hai| usa para se pakkA patA cala jAtA hai ki AtmA ke anaMta guNa haiN| anaMta jJAna, anaMta darzana, anaMta zakti, anaMta sukhadhAma, ye to kitane sAre guNa haiM! AtmA khuda hI paramAtmA hai, parantu 'khuda' ko 'isakA' bhAna honA caahie| eka bAra bhAna ho gayA ki phira, sabhI guNa prakaTa ho jaaeNge| anaMta bheda se (anaMta rIti se) AtmA hai, anaMta guNadhAma hai! usakA eka bhI guNa jAnA nahIM hai Apane abhI tk| AtmA trikAlI vastu hai aura anaMta sukha kA dhAma hai, jaba ki ye loga yahA~ para Ama meM sukha DhU~Dhane nikale haiM, bAz2ArU Ama meM, 'mArkeTa maTIriyalsa' meM! yaha A~kha se jo dikhatA hai, kAna se jo sunAI detA hai, nAka se sugaMdha AtI hai, jIbha se cakhate haiM, yahA~ para sparza hotA hai, ve sabhI 'mArkeTa maTIrIyalsa' haiN| 'jJAnI' ke paricaya se, anaMta zaktiyA~ vyakta hotI hai praznakartA : AtmA meM anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : haaN| lekina ve zaktiyA~ 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke mAdhyama se prakaTa honI caahie| jaise ki jaba Apa skUla meM gae the, taba vahA~ para sikhAyA

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AptavANI-8 thA na? ApakA jJAna to thA hI Apake aMdara, lekina ve prakaTa kara dete haiN| usI prakAra 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa ApakI khuda kI zaktiyA~ prakaTa ho sakatI haiN| anaMta zaktiyA~ haiM, lekina ve zaktiyA~ aise ke aise dabI huI par3I haiN| ve zaktiyA~ hama khulI kara dete haiN| jabaradasta zaktiyA~ dabI huI haiM! ve sirpha ApameM akele meM nahIM haiM, jIva mAtra meM aisI zaktiyA~ haiM, lekina kyA kareM? yaha to leyarsa para leyarsa (AvaraNa) DAle hue haiM sAre! praznakartA : AtmA kI zakti aura zArIrika zakti, ina donoM meM koI saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : ina donoM kI zaktiyA~ alaga hI haiN| praznakartA : ve donoM eka-dUsare para asara DAlate haiM? dAdAzrI : DAlate hI haiM na! isa zArIrika zakti ke kAraNa to vaha AtmA kI zakti baMda ho jAtI hai| zArIrika zakti adhika hotI hai to pAzavatA bar3hatI hai| praznakartA : aura AtmA kI zakti adhika ho to? dAdAzrI : pAzavatA kama hotI hai aura manuSyapana utpanna hotA hai| praznakartA : to phira AtmA kI zakti ko prApta karane ke lie manuSya ko kyA prayatna karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : AtmA kI zakti aMdara hai hii| AtmA kI zakti, vaha to paramAtmApana kI zakti hai| bAkI usa paramAtmA meM eka sekA huA pApar3a tor3ane kI bhI zakti nahIM hai aura yoM anaMta zaktiyoM ke ve mAlika haiM! praznakartA : hameM to ina sabakA mela nahIM baitthtaa| dAdAzrI : vaha mela baiThanA hI caahie| jaba taka mela nahIM baiThatA na, taba taka samajhane meM farka hai z2arA! yadi mela nahIM baiThe na, to vaha jJAna hI nahIM hai, jaba ajJAna ho, tabhI mela nahIM baitthtaa| varnA mela baiThanA hI cAhie, parantu usake lie thor3A 'TAima' nikAlakara hameM paricaya karanA pdd'egaa|

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : kisa taraha se? dAdAzrI : yahA~ sAtha meM baiThakara, z2arA 'TAima' nikAlakara, vizeSa rUpa se baiThakara 'jJAnIpuruSa' se paricaya karanA par3egA! AtmA kI anaMta jJAnazaktiyA~ haiM, ekAdha-do jJAnazaktiyA~ haiM, aisA nahIM hai| ye anaMta jJAnazaktiyA~ haiM, usake AdhAra para to jyotiSa jJAna, vakAlata kA jJAna, DaoNkTarI jJAna, ye sArA jJAna anAvRta huA hai| hara eka ke alaga-alaga 'sabjekTsa' hote haiM, ve sabhI jJAna anAvRta ho jAe~, itanI sArI jJAnazaktiyA~ haiM ! yAnI AtmA anaMta zakti kA dhanI hai! anaMta jJAna zakti haiM aura anaMta vIrya zaktiyA~ haiM !! bahuta g2az2aba kI zakti ke mAlika haiM, aise ye paramAtmA haiM !!! 'paTela' par3osI aura 'khuda' 'paramAtmA' meM praznakartA : AtmA kA vaha svarUpa kaisA dikhatA hai? tejasvI dikhatA hai yA kucha AkRti dikhatI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha AkRti nahIM hai, vaise hI nirAkRti bhI nahIM hai| yaha AkRti vagairaha to saba manuSya kI kalpanAe~ haiM, buddhijanya viSaya haiN| AtmA to AtmA hI hai, prakAzasvarUpa hai| hA~, jisa prakAza ko sthala kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai, AdhAra kI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai, aisA prakAzasvarUpa hai AtmA kaa| aura pahAr3oM ke bhI ArapAra jA sake aisA hai, aisA vaha AtmA hai aura aise 'AtmA' meM 'maiM' rahatA hU~!!! yAnI ina 'e.ema.paTela' ko koI gAliyA~ de, mAre, to bhI 'mujhe' kucha nahIM hotaa| 'maiM' alaga, 'paTela' alg| 'paTela' par3osa meM haiM aura vyavahAra jo kara rahe haiM, vaha 'paTela' kara rahe haiN| AtmA : sAkArI yA nirAkArI? praznakartA : aisA kahate haiM ki bhagavAna to teja ke aMbAra haiM, niraMjananirAkAra haiN| dAdAzrI : aura bhagavAna sAkArI bhI haiN|

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : Apa aisA bhI kahate haiM aura vaisA bhI kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : 'bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa' bhagavAna sAkAra haiM aura 'bAi riyala vyU poinTa' nirAkAra haiN| praznakartA : usa alaukika bhASA ko kahA~ sIkhane jAe~? dAdAzrI : yahIM para sIkhanI hai| ApakA nAma caMdUlAla, aura choTe the taba bhI caMdUlAla thA, aura zAdI ke bAda bhI caMdUlAla hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : aura phira 'pati' kisake bane? kisa AdhAra para? pahale 'pati' the? praznakartA : nahIM, pahale nahIM thaa| dAdAzrI : lekina 'Apa' vahI ke vahI ho na? yahI merA kahanA hai ki isa taraha se, jaba nimitta milatA hai na, to usa saMbaMdha se 'Apa' 'pati' kahalAte ho| yaha sApekSa bAta hai| usI prakAra rileTiva saMbaMdha se bhagavAna sAkAra haiM aura saMbaMdha ke bagaira bhagavAna nirAkAra haiN| yAnI tujhe yadi nirAkAra bhagavAna ko bhajanA hai, nirAkAra kI pahacAna karanI hai to sAkArI bhagavAna ke pAsa jaa| nirAkAra bhagavAna A~khoM se dikheMge nahIM aura tujhe buddhi se samajha meM nahIM aaegaa| tujhe kisI bhI prakAra se nirAkAra samajha meM AegA hI nahIM, lekina jinameM nirAkAra prakaTa ho cuke hoM, aise sAkArI bhagavAna ke pAsa jaa| yahA~ manuSyarUpa meM mukhya sAkAra bhagavAna kise kahate haiM? 'jJAnIpuruSa' ko ki jinameM, manuSyarUpa meM jinake aMdara niraMjana-nirAkAra prakaTa ho cuke haiM ! ve sAkAra bhagavAna kahalAte haiM !! praznakartA : lekina AtmA kI kisI AkAra ke rUpa meM kalpanA karanI ho to kaisI kalpanA kareM?

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AptavANI-8 17 dAdAzrI : usake AkAra kI kalpanA karanA yogya nahIM hai, usake bajAya sAkArI bhagavAna ke pAsa baiThanA caahie| sAkArI bhagavAna, vahI AtmA kA svarUpa! jo dehasahita AtmAjJAnI haiM, ve sAkArI bhagavAna kahalAte haiM, usa taraha se kalpanA karanA, saMpUrNa dehamaMdira sahita unake darzana karane caahie| bAkI, AtmA kA AkAra nahIM hai| usakA nirAkAra svarUpa 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa se jAnanA par3egA! aura phira usakA svarUpa ApakI samajha meM fiTa ho jAegA, fiTa ho jAe, vaha phira bhUla nahIM pAoge! ataH AtmA kA AkAra nahIM hotA, vaha nirAkArI vastu hai| phira bhI svabhAva se AtmA kaisA hai? jisa deha meM hai, usa deha kA jo AkAra hai, usa jaise AkAra kA hai| parantu vahA~ para siddhagati meM aMtima deha ke AkAra ke eka tihAI bhAga jitanA AkAra kama ho jAtA hai| yAnI do tihAI bhAga ke AkAra kA rahatA hai| yAnI ki jo pA~cave Are kA deha hotA hai aura tIsare Are (kAlacakra kA eka bhAga) kA jo deha hotA hai, unameM bahuta g2az2aba kA farka hai| vaha U~cAI alaga aura yaha U~cAI alg| parantu jisa caramadeha se kAma huA, usI deha ke anusAra vahA~ para, siddhagati meM AkAra hotA hai, parantu AtmA nirAkAra hai| praznakartA : vahA~ parachAI jaisA hotA hai? kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, parachAI jaisA nahIM hai, aisI koI vastu vahA~ para nahIM hotii| parachAI, vaha padagala hai| praznakartA : jaise hama havA meM hAtha ghumAe~ to kucha hAtha meM nahIM AtA, vaise hI mokSa meM jAe~ aura hAtha aise ghumAe~ to hamase kucha TakarAegA kyA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aise hAtha ghumAe~ge to kucha bhI hAtha meM nahIM aaegaa| are, yaha agni lekara AtmA ke aMdara aise ghumAe~ taba bhI AtmA jalegA nhiiN| aise aMdara hAtha ghumAe~ to bhI AtmA hAtha ko sparza nahIM hogaa| AtmA aisA hai| usa AtmA meM barpha ghumAe~ taba bhI ThaMDA nahIM hogA, usameM talavAra ghumAo to vaha kaTegA hI nhiiN|

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18 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : phira bhI AkAra to hogA na? dAdAzrI : vaha nirAkArI AkAra hai, niraMjana - nirAkArI AkAra hai / vaha jaisA ApakI kalpanA meM hai, vaisA AkAra nahIM hai / usakA 'svAbhAvika' AkAra hai| AtmA, deha meM kahA~ para nahIM hai? praznakartA : yaha jo AtmA hai, usakA eksa-re meM yA kisI bhI mazIna se phoTo bhI nahIM AtA / dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA to bahuta sUkSma hai, isalie vaha hAtha meM nahIM A sakatA na! kemare meM nahIM AtA aura A~khoM se bhI nahIM dikhatA, dUrabIna se bhI nahIM dikhatA, kisI bhI cIz2a se dikhe nahIM, AtmA aisI sUkSma vastu hai / praznakartA : isalie Azcarya hotA hai ki AtmA kahA~ para hogA? dAdAzrI : isa AtmA ke ArapAra aMgArA calA jAe, phira bhI use aMgArA chue nahIM, AtmA itanA adhika sUkSma hai / praznakartA : lekina isa zarIra meM AtmA kA sthAna kauna-sA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, AtmA isa zarIra meM kauna-sI jagaha para nahIM hai? isa bAla meM AtmA nahIM hai aura ye nAkhUna haiM na, jitane nAkhUna kATa dete haiM na, utane bhAga meM AtmA nahIM hai / isa zarIra meM bAkI sabhI jagaha para AtmA hai| ata: kauna-se sthAna meM AtmA hai aisA pUchane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, kauna-se sthAna meM AtmA nahIM hai, aisA pUchanA cAhie / ina bAloM meM, jo bAla hama kATa lete haiM na, unameM AtmA nahIM hai / nIMda meM kisIne bAla kATa lie to hameM kucha patA nahIM calatA, isalie usameM AtmA nahIM hai aura jahA~ para AtmA hai na, vahA~ to yaha pina cubhoe~ to turanta hI patA cala jAtA hai| praznakartA : sAmAnya rUpa se, AtmA to dimAg2a meM hotA hai na? aura ina jJAnataMtuoM ke kAraNa hI pina cubhone para vaha patA calatA hai na?

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : nahIM, pUre zarIra meM AtmA hai| dimAg2a meM to dimAg2a hotA hai, vaha to mazInarI hai aura vaha saba to aMdara kI qhabara denevAle sAdhana haiN| AtmA to pUre zarIra meM upasthita hai| yahA~ paira meM z2arA-sA kA~TA lagA ki turanta patA cala jAtA hai na? yAnI yaha jo dikhatA hai na vaha phoTo AtmA kA hai| sirpha itanA hI ki usake Upara parata car3ha gaI haiN| varnA, phoTo vahI kA vahI hai| AtmA kA phoTo phira vahI kA vahI rahatA hai| ataH isa zarIra meM jahA~-jahA~ pina cubhoe~ aura patA calatA hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai| rAta ko bhI z2arA-sI pina cubhoe~ to patA cala jAtA hai n?| bAkI isa zarIra meM jahA~-jahA~ pina lagAne se jo darda hotA hai, duHkha hotA hai, use jo jAnatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| varnA AtmA ke cale jAne ke bAda hama pina cubhote raheM, phira bhI caMdUlAla boleMge nahIM, thor3A bhI hileMge-DuleMge nhiiN| praznakartA : AtmA ko duHkha hotA hai, aisA hama kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko duHkha nahIM hotaa| isa barpha para aMgAre DAleMge to kyA barpha jala jAegA? praznakartA : bAla kATane se hameM darda nahIM hotA, yAnI vahA~ para AtmA nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| praznakartA : aura jahA~ para darda hotA hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, vahA~ para AtmA hai| praznakartA : to yadi sukha-duHkha kA asara hotA hai, to AtmA saMsArI bana gayA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA saMsArI nahIM bntaa| AtmA mUla svarUpa meM hI hai| ApakA mAnA huA AtmA saMsArI bana gayA hai, jise Apa AtmA

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AptavANI-8 mAnate ho vaha saMsArI bana gayA hai aura vaha 'mikenikala' hai / isIlie jaba peTrola DAlo to calatA hai, nahIM to baMda ho jAtA hai| isa nAka ko dabAkara rakhe na to Adhe ghaMTe meM yA ghaMTe meM 'mazIna' baMda ho jAtI hai / isalie loga 'mikenikala' AtmA ko AtmA mAnate haiM / mUla AtmA ko dekhA nahIM, mUla AtmA kA eka zabda bhI sunA nahIM aura 'mikenikala' ko hI sthira karate haiM, parantu 'mikenikala' kabhI bhI sthira nahIM ho sakatA / 20 yAnI ye bAla kATate haiM aura ye jo nAkhUna bar3he hue hai, vahA~ para AtmA nahIM hai| jahA~ para nAkhUna kaTane se jalana hotI hai, vahA~ para AtmA hai| bAkI, AtmA pUrI hI baoNDI meM hai| praznakartA : parantu yogazAstra meM to aisA kahate haiM ki yahA~ para brahmaraMdhra meM AtmA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha sArA yogazAstra unake lie kAma kA hai / Apako saca jAnanA hai? laukika jAnanA hai yA alaukika jAnanA hai? do taraha kA jJAna hai, eka laukika meM calatA hai aura dUsarA vAstavika jnyaan| Apako vAstavika jJAna jAnanA hai yA laukika ? praznakartA : donoM jAnane haiN| dAdAzrI : yadi laukika jAnanA ho to AtmA kA sthAna hRdaya meM hai aura alaukika jAnanA ho to AtmA pUre zarIra meM hai / laukika jAnanA ho to yaha duniyA bhagavAna ne banAI hai aura alaukika jAnanA ho to duniyA bhagavAna ne nahIM banAI hai| praznakartA : aisA bhI kahate haiM ki hRdaya meM a~gUThe jitanA AtmA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, una saba bAtoM meM koI tathya nahIM hai| kahA~ mAnyatA aura kahA~ vAstavikatA praznakartA : lekina upaniSada meM yaha vAkya AtA hai, 'aMguSTha mAtra

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AptavANI-8 pramANa'- tere hRdaya meM AtmA kA pratibiMba dekhanA ho to aisA dhyAna kara ki tujhe 'aMguSTha mAtra pramANa meM' dikhe| dAdAzrI : yaha sAinTiphika bAta nahIM hai| agara sAinTiphika hotI to maiM Age bddh'taa| yaha to eka khAsa staravAle ko sthira karane kA sAdhana hai| bilkula galata bhI nahIM hai, galata to kaise kaha sakate haiM? jo vastu kisI vyakti ko sthira kara sakatI hai, use galata to kaha hI nahIM sakate na! yAnI yaha jo hRdaya hai na, usake aMdara sthUla mana hai, yAnI vahA~ kI dhAraNA hai| isa hRdaya meM yadi dhAraNa karo na, to phira Age bar3hA jA sakatA hai| aura Age kauna bar3hane nahIM detA? buddhi Age nahIM bar3hane detI aura hRdaya kI dhAraNA Age bar3hane de, aisI hai| mokSa meM jAnA ho to hRdaya kI helpa clegii| yAnI dila ke kAma kI z2arUrata hai| buddhi se nahIM clegaa| yAnI yaha to saba, aMgUThe jaisA kahakara logoM ko ghabarA kara rakha diyaa| AtmA to dehapramANa hai| AtmA pUrA hI dehapramANa hai aura usa para karmoM kI vaLagaNA cipakI huI hai| vaha kisa taraha se? ki per3a kI DAlI ho, aura usa para lAkha cipaka jAtI hai na? usI taraha ye karma saba cipaka gae haiN| anaMta pradezoM meM anaMta karma cipake hue haiN| to jisa pradeza meM karma khulA, vahA~ kA jJAna prakaTa ho jAtA hai| ina tamAma DaoNkTarI pradezoM kA jJAna khula jAe to Apako DaoNkTarI jJAna ho jAtA hai, kisIko vakIla kA jJAna ho jAtA hai| jisake jo pradeza khula gae, use vahA~ kA jJAna prakaTa ho jAtA aba AtmA to pUrA hI hai| usameM se agara paira yA aura kucha kaTa jAe to AtmA utanA 'zaoNrTa' ho jAtA hai| bAkI isa hRdaya meM to sirpha mana kA sthAna hai, mana kA sthUla sthAna hai| mana hRdaya meM prakaTa hotA hai| isa sUkSma mana kA sthAna yahA~ kapAla se DhAI iMca aMdara hai| aura sthUla mana kA sthAna hRdaya meM hai| bhAjana ke anusAra saMkoca-vikAsa hotA hai praznakartA : AtmA kaTa sakatA hai kyA?

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : AtmA kaTatA nahIM hai, chedA nahIM jA sakatA, use kucha bhI nahIM ho sakatA! praznakartA : yahA~ se hAtha kaTa jAe to phira? dAdAzrI : AtmA utanA saMkucita ho jAtA hai| AtmA kA svabhAva saMkoca aura vikAsavAlA hai, vaha bhI isa saMsAra avasthA meN| siddha avasthA meM aisA nahIM hai| saMsAra avasthA meM saMkoca aura vikAsa donoM ho sakate haiN| yaha cIMTI hotI hai na to usameM bhI AtmA pUrA hI hai| aura hAthI meM bhI eka hI pUrA AtmA hai, parantu usakA vikAsa ho gayA hai| hAtha-paira kATane para AtmA saMkucita ho jAtA hai aura vaha bhI kucha bhAga kaTa jAe na, taba taka saMkucita hotA hai, usake bAda saMkucita nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : jaise manuSya ke pUre zarIra meM AtmA hai, usI prakAra cIMTI aura hAthI ke bhI pUre zarIra meM AtmA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, pUre zarIra meM AtmA hai| kyoMki AtmA saMkoca-vikAsa kA bhAjana hai| jitane anupAta meM bhAjana ho, utane anupAta meM usakA vikAsa ho jAtA hai| yadi bhAjana choTA ho to utane anupAta meM saMkucita ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : deha chUTate samaya eka chora yahA~ para hotA hai aura dUsarA chora paMjAba meM hotA hai, aisA kahate haiM, aisA kisa taraha se hai, z2arA smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : AtmA saMkoca-vikAsa kA bhAjana hai, isalie kitanA bhI laMbA ho sakatA hai| to, jahA~ para usakA RNAnubaMdha hotA hai, vahA~ para jAnA par3atA hai na? taba thor3e hI yahA~ se pairoM se calakara jAegA? usake paira aura sthUla zarIra hai hI nahIM na! praznakartA : to donoM jagaha para raha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| yahA~ se jahA~ para jAnA ho, vahA~ taka utanA khiMca jAtA hai| phira vahA~ para ghusane kI zurUAta huI ho to yahA~ se bAhara nikalatA jAtA hai| jaise sA~pa yahA~ bila meM se nikala rahA ho to eka

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AptavANI-8 bhAga bAhara bhI hotA hai aura dUsarA bhAga aMdara bhI hotA hai, usake jaisI bAta hai yh| 23 praznakartA : lekina deha ko kATa DAleM, chedana kareM, phira bhI AtmA dikhatA nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : AtmA dikhe aisA hai hI nahIM / parantu deha ko kATa DAleM to AtmA nikala jAtA hai na? manuSya mara jAtA hai, taba kauna nikala jAtA hai ? praznakartA : AtmA nikala jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, nikala jAtA hai, phira bhI vaha dikhe aisA nahIM hai / lekina hai z2arUra / vaha prakAza hai, ujAle ke rUpa meM hai / yaha sArA usIkA ujAlA hai| vaha nahIM hai to sabakucha khatma ho gyaa| vaha nikala jAe, to phira dekhA hai na Apane ? arthI dekhI hai? usameM ujAlA rahatA hai phira ? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : to usameM se AtmA nikala gayA hai| yAnI AtmA to khuda jyotisvarUpa hai| mRtyu ke bAda punaH praveza saMbhava hai? praznakartA : hRdaya dhar3akanA baMda ho jAe taba hama kahate haiM ki mauta A gii| dAdAzrI : aura DaoNkTara bhI kahate hai ki, 'ye bhAI gae !' jaba taka hRdaya dhar3ake taba taka nAr3I calatI hai aura nAr3I nahIM cale to DaoNkTara samajhate hai ki nAr3I nahIM cala rahI hai to yaha vyakti nahIM jIegA, taba phira aisA hameM batA dete haiM ki 'gae' / praznakartA : kaI bAra aise kisse par3hane meM Ae haiM ki koI marA huA vyakti phira se jIvaMta ho gayA / isa prakriyA ko kyA samajhanA cAhie? deha meM phira se jIva A gayA? yA AtmA ne phira se zarIra meM praveza kiyA ?

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24 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : ApakA kahanA saca hai, aisA kabhI apavAda rUpa se hotA hai ki nAr3I phira se calane lagatI hai| taba DaoNkTaroM ko mana meM kyA hotA hai ki yaha to phira se jIva A gyaa| lekina kucha paristhitiyoM meM hI aisA hotA hai| taba vaha jIva yahA~ tAlU meM car3ha jAtA hai| hRdaya bhale hI baMda ho gayA ho, lekina jIva yahA~ tAlU meM car3ha jAtA hai| ataH jaba vaha tAlU meM se vApasa utaratA hai to hRdaya vApasa dhar3akane laga jAtA hai, aisA hotA hai| taba phira DaoNkTara bhI soca meM par3a jAte haiN| lekina vaha nayA jIva nahIM aataa| isa deha meM phira se jIva nahIM AtA athavA to zarIra meM dUsarA AtmA praveza nahIM krtaa| vahI kA vahI AtmA abhI taka pUrA-pUrA bAhara nahIM nikalA hai| yaha hArTa se Upara taka, itane bhAga meM se nikala gayA hai aura Upara car3ha gayA hai| yahA~ para tAlU meM brahmaraMdhra hai, jise dazama sthAna kahate haiM, vahA~ para car3ha jAtA hai| yAnI deha meM agara jIva raha gayA ho, to phira se aisA ho sakatA hai| kabhI-kabhI hI aisA hotA hai, kahIM bAra-bAra nahIM hotA, apavAda rUpa meM ho jAtA hai| kisIko sA~pa ne kATA ho, yA phira pAnI meM ekadama gira gayA ho, usa ghar3I usakA jIva yahA~ Upara, brahmaraMdha meM car3ha jAtA hai| to phira utAranA muzkila ho jAtA hai| isa kAla meM utAranA nahIM aataa| sahaja rUpa se apane Apa yadi utara jAe to ThIka hai, taba aisA lagatA hai ki murde meM phira se jIva A gyaa| bAkI aisA hotA nahIM hai| mRtyu yAnI kyA? mRtyu ke bAda kyA? praznakartA : mRtyu kyA hai? dAdAzrI : mRtyu to aisA hai na, yaha kamIz2a silavAI, taba kamIz2a kA janma huA na, aura yadi janma huA to mRtyu hue bagaira rahegI hI nhiiN| koI bhI vastu janma letI hai to usakI mRtyu avazya hotI hai| aura AtmA ajanmA-amara hai, usakI mRtyu hotI hI nhiiN| yAnI jitanI vastue~ janma letI haiM, unakI mRtyu avazya hotI hai aura mRtyu hai to janma hogaa| ataH janma ke sAtha mRtyu joinTa hI hai| jahA~ janma hai, vahA~ para mRtyu avazya hai hii|

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AptavANI-8 25 praznakartA : parantu mRtyu, vaha vastusthiti meM kyA hai? dAdAzrI : rAta ko so jAte ho na, phira kahA~ jAte ho? subaha kahA~ se Ate ho Apa? praznakartA : aisA mAlUma nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : isI taraha janma-maraNa haiM, bIca ke kAla meM so jAtA hai / phira janma ke bAda vApasa jagatA hai| marane ke bAda janma lene taka, bIca ke kAla meM sotA hai|'khud' zAzvata hai, isalie janma-maraNa khuda kA hotA hI nahIM hai na! yaha janma-maraNa to avasthA se haiN| manuSya vahI kA vahI rahatA hai, parantu usakI tIna avasthAe~ hotI haiM yA nahIM hotIM? bacapana kI bAla avasthA, phira yuvA avasthA aura vRddhAvasthA nahIM hotI? ye avasthAe~ haiM, lekina 'khuda' to eka hI hai na? ye avasthAe~ zarIra kI / isI prakAra janma-maraNa bhI zarIra kA hai, AtmA kA janma-maraNa nahIM hai| Apake 'khuda ke', 'selpha' kA janma-maraNa nahIM hai I praznakartA : to mRtyu kisalie AtI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to aisA hai, jaba janma hotA hai, taba ye mana-vacanakAyA kI jo tIna 'beTariyA~' haiM, ve garbha meM se iphekTa detI haiN| jaba iphekTa pUrA ho jAtA hai, usa 'beTarI' se hisAba pUrA ho jAtA hai, taba taka ve beTariyA~ rahatI haiN| aura phira jaba ve khatma ho jAtI haiM, taba use mRtyu kahate haiM / parantu taba vApasa agale janma ke lie naI 'beTariyA~' aMdara cArja hotI hI rahatI haiM aura purAnI 'beTariyA~ ' DiscArja hotI rahatI haiN| isa taraha 'cArjaDiscArja' hotA hI rahatA hai| kyoMki 'use' 'roMga bilIfa' hai, isalie kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM / jaba taka ' roMga bilIfa' haiM, taba taka rAga-dveSa haiM aura kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM / aura yaha ' roMga bilIfa' badala jAe aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThe to rAga- - dveSa aura kaoNz2ez2a utpanna nahIM hoNge| praznakartA : jaba zarIra kA nAza hotA hai, taba AtmA kahA~ jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, AtmA iTarnala (zAzvata) hai, paramAnenTa hai, nitya

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AptavANI-8 hai| use kahIM bhI jAnA-AnA hotA hI nahIM hai| aura jaba isa zarIra kA nAza hotA hai, taba AtmA ko kahA~ jAnA hai, vaha usake khuda ke adhikAra meM nahIM hai| vaha bhI 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' ke tAbe meM hai| yAnI jahA~ para eviDensa le jAe~, vahA~ para use jAnA par3atA hai| isameM, 'paramAnenTa' vastu sirpha AtmA hI hai, bAkI sabakucha TemparerI hai| mana-buddhicitta aura ahaMkAra sabakucha hI TemparerI hai| aura AtmA to aisA hai ki, vaha isa zarIra se bilkula alaga hai| jaise yaha kapar3A aura merI deha alaga hI hai na? utane hI ye deha aura AtmA judA haiM, bilkula judA haiN| kudarata ke kitane hI eDajasTamenTsa praznakartA : mRtyu ke samaya jaba AtmA eka deha chor3a rahA ho, taba vaha dUsarI deha meM jAne se pahale kahA~, kitane samaya taka aura kisa taraha se rahatA hai? dUsarI deha meM jAne meM hara eka jIva ko kitanA samaya lagatA dAdAzrI : use bilkula bhI samaya nahIM lgtaa| yahA~ isa deha meM bhI hotA hai aura vahA~ yoni meM praveza karanA zurU ho jAtA hai| maranevAlA yahA~ baDaudA meM aura yoni vahA~ dillI meM hotI hai, to AtmA yoni meM bhI hotA hai aura yahA~ isa deha meM bhI hotA hai| yAnI ki isameM TAima hI nahIM lgtaa| deha ke bagaira thor3I dera ke lie bhI nahIM raha sakatA hai| praznakartA : yAnI isa deha ko chor3ane meM aura dUsarI deha grahaNa karane meM, ina donoM ke bIca meM kitanA samaya lagatA hai? dAdAzrI : bilkula bhI samaya nahIM lgtaa| yahA~ para bhI hotA hai, isa deha meM se nikala rahA hotA hai yahA~ se aura vahA~ yoni meM bhI hAz2ira hotA hai| kyoMki yaha TAimiMga hai, vIrya aura raja kA saMyoga hotA hai usa ghdd'ii| yahA~ para deha chUTanevAlI hotI hai, taba vahA~ para vaha saMyoga hotA hai| vaha saba ikaTThA ho jAe, taba yahA~ se jAtA hai| varnA vaha yahA~ se jAegA hI nahIM, kyoMki yadi yahA~ se calA jAegA to vaha khAegA kyA? vahA~ yoni meM gayA lekina khurAka kyA khAegA? puruSa kA vIrya aura mAtA kA raja,

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AptavANI-8 ve donoM hI hote haiM, aura vahA~ jAte hI bhUkha ke mAre unako vaha sArA hI khA jAtA hai| aura khAkara phira piMDa banatA hai / bolo aba, ye saba sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiM na? 27 taba phira yahA~ se nikalane meM dera nahIM lgtii| aba vahA~ para yadi aisA TAima seTa nahIM huA ho na, taba taka yahA~ para isa deha meM uM.. uM.. uM.. karatA rahatA hai|'kyoN nikalate nahIM ho? jaldI jAo na' yadi aisA kaheM, taba kahegA, 'nahIM abhI taiyArI nahIM huI hai vahA~ para !' aise aMtima ghar3I meM uM..uM..uM..karatA hai na? vahA~ para 'eDajasTa' ho jAne ke bAda yahA~ se nikalatA hai| lekina jaba nikalatA hai, taba vahA~ para saba paddhatipUrvaka hI hotA hai / z2indagI ke sAra ke anusAra gati praznakartA : marane se pahale jaisI vAsanA ho, usa rUpa meM janma hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha vAsanA, loga jo kahate haiM na ki marane se pahale aisI vAsanA thI, lekina vaha vAsanA lAne se lAI nahIM jA sktii| vaha to sAra hai pUrI z2indagI kaa| pUrI z2indagI Apane jo kucha kiyA na, usakA mRtyu ke samaya, aMtima ghaMTe meM sAra A jAtA hai / aura usa sAra ke anusAra usakI gati ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda sabhI loga manuSya ke rUpa meM janma nahIM lete| koI kutte yA gAya bhI banate haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, usake pIche 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' haiM, sabhI vaijJAnika kAraNa ikaTThe hote haiM / isameM isakA koI kartA nahIM hai ki 'bhagavAna' ne yaha nahIM kiyA hai aura 'Apane' bhI yaha nahIM kiyA hai| 'Apa' sirpha mAnate ho ki 'maiMne yaha kiyA' isIlie agalA janma utpanna hotA hai| jaba se 'ApakI' yaha mAnyatA TUTa jAegI, 'maiM kara rahA hU~' kI ' roMga bilIfa', vaha bhAna 'ApakA' TUTa jAegA aura 'selpha' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' ho jAegA, usake bAda 'Apa' kartA rahoge hI nahIM /

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : lekina use riyalAiz2a karane ke lie ye saba chor3akara himAlaya para cale jAe~? dAdAzrI : nahIM, himAlaya para nahIM jAnA hai| hama Apako eka ghaMTe meM 'selpha riyalAiz2ezana' karavA deNge| aise sAdhu banakara himAlaya meM nahIM jAnA hai| yahA~ to are, khA-pIkara mauja karanA aura 'selpha' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' rahegA! praznakartA : lekina aisA kahate haiM na, ki AtmA hara bAra manuSya deha hI dhAraNa karatA hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, nhiiN| aisA to kucha logoM ne kahA z2arUra hai ki manuSya meM se manuSya hI banatA hai, logoM ne aisA AzvAsana diyA ki jaise geha~ meM se geha~ banatA hai, vaise hI manuSya meM se manuSya banatA hai| isase loga samajhate haiM ki ThIka hai, manuSya bananevAle haiM to koI harja hI nahIM hai na! jitanI rizvata lenI ho utanI le lo, jitanI corI karanI ho utanI corI kara lo? lekina yaha aisA nahIM hai| yahA~ to niyama aisA hai ki jisane aNahakka (bagaira haqa)kA liyA, usake do paira meM se cAra paira ho jaaeNge| lekina vaha bhI hamezA ke lie nhiiN| adhika se adhika do sau varSa aura bahuta huA to sAta-ATha janma jAnavara meM jAegA aura kama se kama huA to pA~ca hI minaTa meM jAnavara meM jAkara vApasa manuSya meM A jaaegaa| kitane jIva aise haiM ki eka minaTa meM 17 janma badalate haiM, yAnI aise bhI jIva haiN| ataH jo jAnavara meM gae, una sabhI ko sau-do sau varSa kA AyuSya nahIM milegaa| praznakartA : manuSyagati ke jIva yaha kAraNa zarIra aura kaSAya sAtha meM lekara jAte haiN| parantu nicalI gati ke jIva kyA lekara Ate haiM? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ve to 'loDa' utArane gae haiN| jo 'loDa' ikaTThA kiyA thA na, jo udhAra liyA ho, vaha udhAra cukAne jAnA par3atA hai| aura yadi kisIse lenA ho to lene jAte haiN| kreDiTa kiyA ho to devagati meM jAnA par3atA hai, yA phira yahA~ manuSya meM rAjA bananA par3atA hai| aura agara

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AptavANI-8 udhAra liyA ho to baila banakara cukAnA par3atA hai, bhaiMsa banakara cukAnA par3atA hai, kuttA banakara cukAnA par3atA hai| aba kucha logoM kA vaha udhAra eka hI janma meM zAyada pUrA na bhI ho, to unakA kutte kA janma pUrA ho jAe, usake bAda bhI agara phira udhAra bAkI rahe to vApasa gadhe kA janma milatA hai| phira bhI agara udhAra bAkI ho to phira siyAra kA janma milatA hai, lekina aise ATha hI janma Ate haiN| nauvA~ janma nahIM AtA aisaa| ATha janmoM meM usakA udhAra pUrA ho jAtA hai, aura phira vApasa manuSya meM AtA hai| manuSya yahA~ para mara jAe, taba usake pIche, le jAnevAle loga, cArapA~ca aise niSpakSapAtI loga hote haiN| unakI bAteM suno| pakSapAtI yAnI, usake ghara ke loga pakSapAtI kahalAte haiM aura virodhI loga bhI pakSapAtI kahalAte haiN| ve virodhI loga virodhapUrvaka bolate rahate haiM aura ghara ke loga acchA bolate rahate haiN| aura jo niSpakSapAtI loga haiM ve bolate haiM ki 'bhAI, yaha to devatA jaisA AdamI thaa|' to vahI usakI gati batA dete haiN| aura kucha ke lie to loga kaheMge, 'are, yaha rAkSasa jaisA thaa|' jaise abhiprAya yahA~ para loga bA~dhate haiM, vahI usakI gati kI nizAnI hai| __ mokSa kI z2arUrata to kise hai? ki... praznakartA : eka manuSya ke mara jAne ke bAda yadi use dUsarI deha turanta hI mila jAtI hai to phira loga mokSa ke lie kisalie prayatna karate dAdAzrI : jise isa saMsAra meM ciMtA hotI ho aura vaha ciMtA use pasaMda nahIM ho, sahana nahIM hotI ho, use mokSa kI z2arUrata hai| jise yaha ciMtA pasaMda ho use to mokSa kI koI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai na! yAnI pratyeka manuSya ko mokSa kI z2arUrata hai hI nhiiN| ina phaoNrinavAlo ko ciMtA sahana hotI hai, unheM mokSa kI z2arUrata hai hI nhiiN| apane yahA~ ke kucha logoM se ciMtA sahana hotI hai, to unheM bhI mokSa kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| bAkI jisase ciMtA sahana nahIM ho pAtI, jise isa saMsAra meM se bhAga chUTane jaisA lagatA hai, use mokSa kI z2arUrata hai|

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30 AptavANI-8 aise haiM niyama kudarata ke praznakartA : kyA mRtyu ke bAda hara eka jIva kA janma hotA hai? dAdAzrI : kisI bhI jIva kA mRtyu ke bAda janma hotA hI hai| mRtyu ke bAda koI hI, jo 'jJAnIpuruSa' hote haiM aura jinheM pravRtti meM bhI nivRtti rahatI hai, unake lie mukti hai| praznakartA : mukti ke bAda janma hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| mukti ke bAda janma nahIM hai| praznakartA : aura mRtyu ke bAda? dAdAzrI : mRtyu ke bAda hara eka jIva kA janma avazya hotA hI praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda vahI kA vahI jIva janma letA hai yA dUsarA jIva janma letA hai? dAdAzrI : vahI kA vahI jIva janma letA hai| praznakartA : to phira janasaMkhyA kyoM bar3ha rahI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to bar3ha jAtI hai, phira vApasa ghaTa bhI jAtI hai| kamaz2yAdA honA usakA niyama hI hai| yaha duniyA to kaisI hai ki vardhamAnahIyamAna, vardhamAna-hIyamAna hotI hI rahatI hai! aba janasaMkhyA vApasa kama ho jaaegii| praznakartA : ve jIva vApasa jIe~ge na? dAdAzrI : ve jIva kyA jIne ke bAda mara jAe~ge? ve sabhI jAnavara meM jAe~ge, the vahIM ke vahIM gae vApasa! jahA~ se Ae the, vahIM vApasa ge| mRtyu ke bAda AtmA, koI devagati meM jAnevAlA ho to devagati meM calA jAtA hai, koI narkagati meM jAnevAlA ho to narkagati meM jAtA hai| koI jAnavaragati meM jAtA hai aura koI manuSyagati meM jAnevAlA ho to manuSyagati

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AptavANI-8 31 meM jAtA hai| aura anya kitane hI jIva jinheM deha nahIM milanevAlI ho, isa kAraNa se kisIko do varSa, kisIko tIna varSa, aisA daNDa milanevAlA ho, aise usake karma ke udaya hoM, taba vaha pretayoni meM rahatA hai| yAnI mRtyu to, yaha kapar3A badalate haiM aisA hI hai| jo-jo 'phiz2ikala' hai na, vaha saba khatma ho jAtA hai yA phira sabakucha yahIM para par3A raha jAtA hai, aura AtmA ko dUsarI yoni milatI hai| praznakartA : vaha kisa taraha se siddha kara sakate haiM ki marane ke bAda yaha AtmA dUsarI jagaha para gayA? pramANa hai kyA? dAdAzrI : punarjanma kA? praznakartA : haaN| aura vaha bhI manuSya mAna sake vaisA? dAdAzrI : hA~, punarjanma mAnA jA sake, aisA pramANa maiM Apako duuNgaa| z2arA laMbA pramANa hai na! AtmA phira se janma letA hai, isakA pramANa to loga mA~geMge hI na! punarjanma kA 'prosesa' kaba taka? praznakartA : punarjanma kauna letA hai? jIva letA hai yA AtmA letA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, kisIko lenA hI nahIM par3atA, ho jAtA hai| yaha pUrA jagat 'iTa hepansa' hI hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha kisase ho jAtA hai? jIva se ho jAtA hai yA AtmA se? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA ko koI lenA-denA hI nahIM hai, sabakucha jIva se hI hai| jise bhautika sukha cAhie, use yoni meM praveza karane kA 'rAiTa' (adhikAra) hai| jise bhautika sukha nahIM cAhie usakA yoni meM praveza karane kA 'rAiTa' calA jAtA hai|

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AptavANI-8 aisA hai na, Apa cInI ke kArakhAne meM dekhoge na, to vahA~ para eka tarafa gannA kharIdakara lete haiM aura eka tarafa cInI kI boriyA~ sTaoNka meM rakha Ate haiN| bIca meM kyA-kyA prakriyA ho rahI hai, vaha Apa jAnate ho? isa tarafa gannA lete haiM, to pahale gannA kaTatA hai, phira pisatA hai, yAnI 'dUsare janma' meM pisA huA hotA hai / phira vApasa vahA~ se 'tIsare janma' meM jAtA hai, 'cauthe janma' 'jAtA hai, aise karate-karate cInI banatI hai / eka hI 'sTeja' meM, eka hI 'janma' meM cInI nahIM bana sakatI / usI taraha hara eka cIz2a kA, usakA DevalapamenTa hote-hote vaha phira aMtima sTeja taka pahu~catA hai| AtmA to 'phula Devalapa' hI hai / lekina yaha bAhara kA jo bhAga hai, 'kapar3e' kA jo bhAga hai, vaha 'Devalapa' honA caahie| phaoNrinavAle kama 'Devalapa' haiM, to unheM punarjanma samajha meM nahIM A pAtA / aura apane yahA~ 'Devalapa' prajA hai, isalie bhale unheM punarjanma samajha meM Ae yA nahIM Ae, lekina mAnyatA to hai hii| choTA baccA bhI kahatA hai ki agale janma meM aisA hogA / yAnI samajha meM Ae yA nahIM Ae 'iTa iz2a DifaranTa meTara', lekina punarjanma ko mAnate hI haiM I 32 ... vahI kA vahI cakkara praznakartA : manuSya ke hara eka janma kA usake pUrvajanma ke sAtha saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : vaha to hara eka janma pUrvajanma hI hotA hai| yAnI hara eka janma kA saMbaMdha pUrvajanma se hai hI / praznakartA : parantu pUrvajanma kA isa janma ke sAtha kyA lenA-denA hai? dAdAzrI : are, agale janma ke lie yaha janma pUrvajanma hai| pichalA janma, vaha pUrvajanma thA, usIse yaha janma hai / aura yaha jo janma hai, vaha agale janma ke lie pUrvajanma khlaaegaa| I praznakartA : hA~, yaha bAta saca hai / lekina pUrvajanma meM kyA aisA kucha hotA hai, jisakA isa janma ke sAtha koI saMbaMdha ho ?

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AptavANI-8 33 dAdAzrI : bahuta hI saMbaMdha hai ! pUrvajanma meM bIja par3ate haiM, aura dUsare janma meM bAlI AtI hai / to phira bIja aura bAlI meM farqa nahIM hai? saMbaMdha hai yA nahIM?! hama bAjare kA dAnA DAleM, vaha pUrvajanma hai aura bAlI Ae, vaha yaha janma hai, vApasa bAlI meM se bIja ke rUpa meM dAnA girA, vaha pUrvajanma aura usameM se bAlI AI vaha nayA jnm| samajha meM AyA yA nahIM? praznakartA : eka AdamI rAste para aise calA jAtA hai aura dUsare kitane hI loga usa rAste para se jAte haiM lekina koI sA~pa kisI khAsa AdamI ke lie hI bAdhaka hotA hai, usakA kAraNa punarjanma hI hai? I dAdAzrI : hA~, hama yahI kahanA cAhate haiM na ki punarjanma hai, isalie vaha sA~pa Apako kATatA hai / punarjanma nahIM hotA to sA~pa Apako nahIM kATatA / punarjanma hai, vaha ApakA hisAba Apako cukA rahA hai / ye sabhI hisAba hI cuka rahe haiN| jaise bahIkhAte ke hisAba cukate haiM na, usI taraha saba hisAba cuka rahe haiM / aura DevalapamenTa ke kAraNa apane ko ye saba hisAba samajha meM bhI Ate haiM / isalie apane yahA~ kucha logoM kI 'punarjanma hai' aisI mAnyatA bhI bana cukI hai na! lekina vaha punarjanma hai hI, aisA nahIM bola paate| 'hai hI' aisA pramANa koI de nahIM sakatA, lekina usakI khuda kI zraddhA meM baiTha cukA hai, aise sabhI udAharaNa dekhakara, ki punarjanma hai z2arUra / I ye bahana kaheMgI, inheM sAsa acchI kyoM milI aura mujhe aisI sAsa kyoM milI? yAnI taraha - taraha ke saMyoga milate haiN| yojanA banI, vahI mUla karma praznakartA karmoM kA acchA yA kharAba phala isa janma meM milatA hai yA phira agale janma meM milatA hai? : dAdAzrI : jo karma kie jAte haiM, ve yojanA ke rUpa meM hote haiN| I jaise gavarmenTa yahA~ para yojanA banAtI hai, narmadA nadI ke bAMdha kI yojanA yahA~ para banAte haiN| aba usa samaya usa yojanA se yahA~ para pAnI ruka sakatA

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AptavANI-8 hai kyA? vaha to jaba yahA~ rUpaka meM AegA, jaba banakara taiyAra ho jAegA taba pAnI rukegaa| bAkI yojanA meM, nakze para pUrA-pUrA hI hotA hai, bAMdha vagairaha sabhI kucha hotA hai, paraMtu nakze para / usI taraha ye sabhI karma jaba yojanA ke rUpa meM ho jAte haiM, taba unheM kaoNz2ez2a kahA jAtA hai| aura phira ve hI kaoNz2ez2a jaba rUpaka meM Ate haiM, taba iphekTa kahalAte haiM / lekina ve dUsare janma meM rUpaka meM Ate haiM, yAnI ki pichale janma ke karma Apa isa janma meM bhogate ho, aura ina janma ke karma vApasa agale janma meM bhogoge / parantu vaha yojanA ke rUpa meM kie gae ve karma agale janma meM bhoge jAte haiN| 34 abhI ApakI icchA nahIM hotI, to bhI karma ho jAtA hai, aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : ho jAtA hai / dAdAzrI : isakA kyA kAraNa hai? ki jo yojanA ke rUpa meM taiyAra ho cukA hai, vahI Aja rupaka meM AyA hai, yAnI yadi Aja hI kara rahe hote to badalA jA sakatA thaa| lekina yaha to badalatA nahIM hai, aisA hotA hai na? aisA dekhane meM AtA hai na? Ayojana pUrvajanma kA, rUpaka isa janma meM praznakartA : to phira kismata jaisI koI cIz2a hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : kismata hI prArabdha hai, pUrvajanma kA lAyA huA mAla, usIkA abhI upayoga hotA hai| praznakartA : to phira pichale janma meM kie hue pApa kA phala isa janma meM milatA hai yA pichale janma meM hI mila gayA hogA ? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| pichale janma ke pApoM kA phala isa janma meM hI milatA hai| aisA hai, pichale janma meM jo pApa ho cuke haiM na, ve Ayojana ke rUpa meM hue the| jaise apane yahA~ narmadA nadI para bAMdha bananevAlA ho to pahale kyA karate haiM? nakzA taiyAra karate haiM na? usI taraha pahale Ayojana

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AptavANI-8 ke rUpa meM ho cuke haiM, ve phira abhI rUpaka ke rUpa meM Ate haiN| isa narmadA ke bAMdha kA Ayojana vahA~ para hotA hai, phira nakzA banatA hai, usa ghar3I usa nakze meM yadi bAMdha phaTa gayA, to pAnI baha jAtA hai kyA sArA? nahIM bhtaa| yAnI nakze meM badalAva ho sakatA hai, phira badalAva nahIM ho skegaa| yAnI pichale janma meM jo Ayojana kiyA thA, usameM badalAva ho sakatA thA, lekina abhI usameM badalAva kisa taraha se ho sakegA? yAnI abhI hama isa janma meM kucha badalAva kareMge to agale janma meM badalAva hogaa| varnA phira agale janma ke lie muhara laga gaI, ise vidhAtA kA lekha kahate haiM, bAda meM vaha badalatA nahIM hai / 35 praznakartA : pichale janma meM hI Ayojana ho cukA ho to isa janma kA Ayojana maiM kaba karU~gA? dAdAzrI : hara eka janma meM aMdara Ayojana hotA hI rahatA hai, Ayojana ke bagaira Age calatA hI nahIM / praznakartA : isa janma kI jo-jo vastu pUrvajanma ke Ayojana ke anusAra ho rahI hai, to agale janma ke lie maiM Ayojana karU~gA kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : Ayojana kisa taraha hotA hai, vaha maiM Apako batA dU~ / aura isa janma meM agara Ayojana hI nahIM hogA to phira mokSa ho jaaegaa| aba Ayojana yAnI cArja hotA hai / aura yaha purAnA DiscArja hote samaya vApasa aMdara cArja hotA hai / aba cArja kisa taraha se hotA hai ? Ayojana kisa taraha se hotA hai? taba kahe, 'abhI koI kahe ki, maiMne bIsa haz2Ara rupaye falAnI jagaha para dAna meM die haiN|' aba usase pUcheM ki, 'seTha, Apa kabhI kisIko bIsa haz2Ara rupaye nahIM dete haiM, to yahA~ para kisa taraha se de die?' taba ve kahate haiM, ' bhAI, falAne bhAI ke dabAva meM Akara die / ' aba bIsa haz2Ara rupaye detA hai, lekina Ayojana ulTA ho gyaa| aura U~ce bhAva se die hote to Ayojana, phira se vaise kA vaisA hI bIja par3atA aura U~cA phala milatA /

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3 6 AptavANI-8 aba koI vyakti hiMsA kare aura phira yadi use mana meM aisA ho ki yaha galata ho rahA hai, pachatAvA kare to vaisA Ayojana ho jAtA hai| phira tU jhUTha bole aura mana meM bhAva ho ki yaha galata ho rahA hai, to vaisA Ayojana hotA hai| aba janma-maraNa kA kAraNa eka hI hai, ki 'khuda kauna hai?', isakA bhAna nahIM hai vh| sirpha yahI eka kAraNa hai| jainoM ne kahA hai ki rAgadveSa aura ajJAna se ba~dhA huA hai aura vedAMta ne bhI kahA hai ki mala, vikSepa aura ajJAna se ba~dhA huA hai| donoM ajJAna ko svIkAra karate haiN| to ajJAna se ba~dhA huA hai, aura jJAna se chuuttegaa| khuda ko khuda kA hI jJAna ho jAe, bhAna ho jAe ki chUTa jaaegaa| ...aura vidheyaka raha gae yahA~ para jitane Aropita bhAva kie, ve bhAva saMsArIbhAva haiN| aura ina saMsArI bhAvoM ke kAraNa anya sabhI pArliyAmenTarI membara ikaTThe ho jAte haiN| aura sabhI membara ikaTThe hokara phira 'DisIz2ana' lete haiM, usase yaha kArya-baoNDI banatI hai| phira iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa aise calatA rahatA hai! yaha caMdUlAla nAma hai na, yaha nAma to iphekTiva hai yA nahIM? koI kahegA ki, 'falAne, sinemAvAle caMdUlAla kharAba hai!' itanA hI kahA ki Apako iphekTa ho jAtA hai| yaha deha iphekTiva hai yA nahIM? yaha vANI bhI iphekTiva hai| ApakI vANI kisIko iphekTa kara baiThatI hai| aura mana bhI iphekTiva hai| mana caMcala ho jAe to sone nahIM detaa| rAta ko sAr3he dasa baje bistara bichAte haiM, 'caMdUlAla so jAo', sabhI aisA kaheM, to caMdUlAla so jAtA hai| aura phira aMdara yAda AyA ki falAne ko maiMne paccIsa haz2Ara rupaye die haiM, vaha usake pAsa se abhI taka likhavAkara nahIM liyA hai| vaha yAda Ate hI mana caMcala huA ki, phira nIMda nahIM Ane detaa| ataH mana bhI iphekTiva hai na? yAnI ye mana-vacana-kAyA saba iphekTiva haiN| inase kaoNz2ez2a utpanna

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AptavANI-8 37 hote haiN| inameM rAga-dveSa hone se kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiM, yaha kaoNz2ala baoNDI, vaha phira agale janma meM vApasa iphekTiva baoNDI bana jAtI hai| yaha kaoNz2ala baoNDI hai na, vaha kAraNa zarIra kahalAtA hai, usameM se yaha kArya zarIra ho jAtA hai| yAnI kAraNa zarIra banane ke bAda pArliyAmenTarI paddhati se sabakucha mila AtA hai| aura pArliyAmenTarI paddhati banane ke bAda sirpha pArliyAmenTa' ke vidheyaka hI raha jAte haiM, parantu 'pArliyAmenTa' ke sabhI sadasya cale jAte haiN| ve vidheyaka eka-eka karake pAsa hote jAte haiM, yojanA gar3he hue sabhI vidheyaka pAsa hote rahate haiM aura usakA rUpaka AtA hai, kucha samajhane jaisA to hogA na? kucha samajhanA to par3egA na? __ AtmA ke sAtha... praznakartA : yadi merA punarjanma honevAlA ho to merA AtmA sAtha meM hI jAegA na? dAdAzrI : sAtha meM hI jAnevAlA hai na! yahA~ se jaba yaha AtmA nikalatA hai, taba kaSAya isa zarIra meM se, jo kucha bhI hotA hai na, vaha jhAr3a-buhArakara nikalate haiN| kyoMki khuda kI jo 'roMga bilIfa' haiM na ki 'yaha maiM hU~', yAnI 'maiM hU~', aisA huA, vahA~ para sabakucha 'merA' ho gayA aura 'merA hai', aisA huA usase ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha khar3e ho jAte haiN| AtmA nikalatA hai, usake bAda ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha jhAr3a-buhArakara bAhara nikala jAte haiN| ve bhI phira thor3I dera ke bAda sabakucha jhAr3a-buhArakara, aMdara deha meM kucha raha nahIM jAe, usa prakAra se nikala jAte haiM, kaSAya aise haiN| aba AtmA ke sAtha aura kyA-kyA jAtA hai? 'kAraNa zarIra', yaha kaoNz2ela baoNDI hai aura sUkSma zarIra', use ilekTrikala baoNDI kahA jAtA hai| jaba taka yaha sthUla deha hai, jaba taka saMsArI hai, taba taka hara eka jIva meM ilekTrikala baoNDI rahatI hai aura jaba mokSa meM jAtA hai taba ilekTrikala baoNDI chUTa jAtI hai aura sirpha AtmasvarUpa hI jAtA hai|

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38 AptavANI-8 yahA~ para to eka avatAra kI gAranTI praznakartA : AtmasvarUpa kA darzana ho jAne ke bAda jIva satata AtmasvarUpa meM rahatA hai, to aisI sthiti ho jAne ke bAda jIva ke punarjanma hone kI saMbhAvanA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| phira bhI eka avatAra bAkI bacatA hai| kyoMki yaha 'hamArI' AjJApUrvaka hai| AjJA pAlanA, use dharmadhyAna kahate haiN| usakA phala bhogane ke lie eka janma rahanA par3atA hai, yoM to yahA~ se hI mokSa ho cukA hai, aisA lagatA hai| yahA~ para hI mokSa nahIM ho jAe to kisa kAma kA? varnA isa kaliyuga meM to sabhI chala karate haiN| jAna-pahacAnavAle ko sabjI lene bhejA ho to bhI aMdara se 'kamIzana' le letA hai, kaliyuga meM kyA bharosA? arthAt gAranTeDa honA caahie| yaha gAranTeDa hama dete haiN| phira jitanI hamArI AjJA pAlegA, utanA use lAbha hogaa| bAkI khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna to sAre dina rahA hI karatA hai, niraMtara bhAna rahatA hai! oNphisa meM kAma kara rahe hoM, to bhI bhAna rahatA hai!! z2arA gADha (jaTila) kAma ho to vaha kAma pUrA huA ki turanta hI vApasa bhAna meM A jAtA hai| kriyA yadi gAr3ha ho to, jaise Adhe iMca ke pAipa se pAnI gira rahA ho to hama aise nala ke nIce hAtha rakheM to hAtha khisaka nahIM jAtA aura Der3ha iMca ke pAipa meM se phorsa se pAnI A rahA ho to hAtha khisaka jAtA hai| isI prakAra yadi bahuta bhArI gAr3ha karma hoM to ve vicalita kara dete haiN| usameM bhI hameM harja nahIM hai| kyoMki hameM eka janma meM hisAba sApha karanA hai na? hisAba sApha kie binA mokSa meM jAyA nahIM jA sakegA na! praznakartA : hisAba sApha nahIM kareM to punarjanma lenA par3egA? dAdAzrI : hA~, isalie hI punarjanma milatA hai| yAnI hisAba bilkula sApha ho jAnA cAhie, to hala aaegaa| bhrAMti hI lAtI hai janma-maraNa praznakartA : to aisA hI huA na ki jaba dUsarA janma honA hotA hai, taba vahI kA vahI AtmA vahA~ para jAtA hai?

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI AtmA, anya koI nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira AtmA kA bhI janma huA, aisA kaha sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA kA janma hotA hI nhiiN| janma lene kA AtmA kA svabhAva hI nahIM hai| yaha janma bhI pudgala kA hotA hai aura maraNa bhI pudgala kA hotA hai| parantu yaha 'usakI' mAnyatA hai ki 'yaha maiM hU~' isalie use sAtha meM ghisaTanA par3atA hai| bAkI, isameM pudgala kA janma aura pudgala kA hI maraNa hai| praznakartA : lekina pudgala ke sAtha AtmA hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : yaha to bhrAMti hai, isI vajaha se padagala sAtha meM hai| varnA bhrAMti jAne ke bAda pudgala aura AtmA kA koI lenA-denA nahIM rahatA na! bhrAMti jAne ke bAda to jitanA cArja ho cukA hai, utanA DiscArja ho jAtA hai isalie phira khatma ho jAtA hai, phira nayA cArja nahIM hotaa| ye sabhI karma jo abhI ho rahe haiM na, una karmoM kA yadi 'maiM mAlika hU~' aisA kahe, 'maiMne kiyA' aisA kahe, to nayA hisAba ba~dhatA hai aura yaha vyavasthita ne kiyA' aura 'maiM to zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA samajha meM A jAe to karmoM ke sAtha usakA lenA-denA nahIM hai| praznakartA : taba to phira janma hI nahIM hogA? dAdAzrI : hA~, phira mukta ho jaaegaa| parantu isa kAla meM abhI saMpUrNa DiscArja nahIM ho sktaa| yAnI dhakkA itanA joradAra hai ki eka yA do janma aura hote haiN| kartAbhAva miTA yAnI basa, khatma ho gayA, karma ba~dhane ruka jAte haiN| praznakartA : pUrvakarma saMbaMdhI Apake vicAra jAnane haiN| udAharaNa ke taura para ye sUkSma jaMtu kauna-se karma kareM ki jo unake agale janma meM upayogI ho sakeM?

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40 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : ina manuSyoM ke alAvA, dUsare sabhI jIva jo karma karate haiM, usakA unheM phala nahIM miltaa| ina yoniyoM meM ve karma pUrA karake chUTa jAte haiN| praznakartA : to jaMtu kA dUsarA janma kauna-sA AtA hai? jaMtu, vaha jaMtu hI rahegA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jaMtu meM se dUsarA janma hotA hai, tIsarA janma hotA hai| vaha dUsarI yoni meM jAtA hai, lekina dinoM-dina unake karma chUTate jAte haiN| vaha ba~dhe hue karmoM ko bhogatA hai, vaha naye karma nahIM bA~dha sktaa| sirpha ye manuSya hI naye karma bA~dha sakate haiN| devI-devatA bhI karma bhogate haiN| devIdevatA kreDiTa bhogate haiM aura ye jAnavara DebiTa bhugatate haiM, aura ye manuSya kreDiTa aura DebiTa donoM bhogate haiN| parantu manuSya bhogate bhI haiM aura phira kartA bhI haiM, isalie naye karma bA~dhate haiM! praznakartA : yaha jo deha hai, vaha karmoM kA hI pariNAma hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, karmoM kA hI pariNAma hai| praznakartA : karmoM kI saMpUrNa nirjarA (Atmapradeza meM se karmoM kA alaga honA) honI cAhie na? / dAdAzrI : saMpUrNa nirjarA ho jAe, taba to siddhakSetra meM calA jAtA hai| parantu jaba vaha zuddha citta ho jAegA, taba karmoM kI nirjarA ho cukI, aisA kahA jAegA! DiscArja ke samaya, ajJAnatA se cArja jaise beTarI meM sela hote haiM na, ve cArja hote haiM, usI taraha yaha deha bhI cArja ho cukA hai| deha meM cetana hai hI nhiiN| cetana to bhItara meM aMdara hai, cetana AtmA meM hI hai| deha to cArja ho cukA cetana hai! manuSya meM sone kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, jAgane kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, jAne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, Ane kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, kisI bhI

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AptavANI-8 41 prakAra kI zakti inameM nahIM hai| manuSya meM sirpha cArja karane kI zakti hai aura vaha bhI khuda kI svataMtra zakti nahIM hai, vaha to DiscArja ke dhakke se cArja ho jAtA hai| yadi cArja karane kI inakI svataMtra zakti hotI na, taba to phira kabhI bhI koI mokSa meM jA hI nahIM sakatA thaa| kyoMki phira vaha gunahagAra mAnA jAtA aura gunahagAra ho gayA to mokSa meM nahIM jA sktaa| yaha to khuda ko aisA lagatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA huuN|' parantu yaha DiscArja ke dhakke se ho rahA hai, bahuta dabAva AtA hai to phira cArja ho jAtA hai| yAnI mukhyataH ajJAnatA bAdhaka hai| yadi ajJAnatA jAe to mukti hAthabhara kI dUrI para hai| kAraNoM ke pariNAmasvarUpa paribhramaNa praznakartA : mRtyu ke bAda AtmA kI kaisI sthiti hotI hai? dAdAzrI : abhI jo hai aisI kI aisI hI sthiti rahatI hai| usakI sthiti meM koI farka nahIM pdd'taa| sirpha, jaba yahA~ para maratA hai, taba isa sthUla deha ko chor3a detA hai, aura kucha bhI chor3atA-karatA nahIM hai| anya saMyoga sAtha meM hI le jAtA hai| dUsare kauna-se saMyoga? taba kahe, karma bA~dhe haiM na-ve, phira krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura sUkSma zarIra, ve saba sAtha meM hI jAtA hai| sirpha yaha sthUla deha hI yahA~ para par3A rahatA hai| yaha kapar3A bekAra ho gayA, isalie chor3a detA hai| praznakartA : aura dUsarA deha dhAraNa karatA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, dUsarA kapar3A badalatA hai sirpha, aura koI badalAva nahIM hotaa| kyoMki jaba taka ajJAna hai taba taka bIja DAlatA hI rahatA hai, bIja DAlane ke bAda hI Age calatA hai, aura jJAna hone ke bAda meM phira chuTakArA hotA hai| 'khuda kauna hai', isakA bhAna ho jAe taba chuTakArA hotA hai| mRtyu ke bAda janma aura janma ke bAda mRtyu hai| basa, yaha niraMtara calatA hI rahatA hai| aba yaha janma aura mRtyu kyoM haiM? taba kahe, 'kaoNz2ez2a

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AptavANI-8 enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a', kAraNa aura kArya, kArya aura kaarnn| isameM se yadi kAraNoM kA nAza kiyA jAe to ye sabhI iphekTa baMda ho jAe~ge, phira nayA janma nahIM lenA pdd'egaa|' yahA~ para pUrI z2indagI kaoNz2ez2a utpanna kie hoM, to Apake ve kaoNz2ez2a kisake pAsa jAe~ge? aura kaoNz2ez2a kie haiM isalie, ve Apako kArya phala die bagaira raheMge nhiiN| kaoNz2ez2a utpanna kie haiM, aisA Apako khuda ko samajha meM AtA hai? hara eka kArya meM kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote haiN| Apako kisIne nAlAyaka kahA ki Apako aMdara kaoNz2ez2a khar3e ho jAte haiM ki 'terA bApa nAlAyaka hai|' vaha ApakA kaoNz2ez2a khlaaegaa| Apako 'nAlAyaka' kahA hai, vaha to kAyade se kahakara gayA aura Apane use gairakAyadA kiyA, vaha samajha meM nahIM AyA Apako? kyoM nahIM bolate? praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI kaoNz2ez2a isa janma meM hote haiM, usakA iphekTa agale janma meM bhoganA par3atA hai| yaha to, iphekTiva moha ko kaoNjela moha mAnA jAtA hai| Apa aisA sirpha mAnate hI ho ki 'maiM krodha kara rahA huuN|' parantu yaha to jaba taka Apako bhrAMti hai, tabhI taka yaha krodha hai| varnA, yaha krodha hai hI nahIM, yaha to iphekTa hai| aura kaoNz2ez2a baMda ho jAe~ge to sirpha iphekTa hI bAkI raheMge aura kaoNz2ez2a baMda kara die yAnI 'hI ija naoNTa risponsibala phaoNra iphekTa' aura iphekTa apanA bhAva batAe bagaira rahegA hI nhiiN| ___ janma paribhramaNa tor3eM 'jJAnI' haqIqata svarUpa meM kyA hai? jo mUla AtmA hai, jo yathArtha AtmA hai, vaha zuddha cetana hai aura vahI paramAtmA hai, aura pUrA jagat jise cetana mAnatA hai, vaha nizcetana-cetana hai| lohe kA golA tapA huA ho to vaha agni jaisA ho jAtA hai, vaisA yaha nizcetana-cetana hai|

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AptavANI-8 43 nizcetana-cetana yAnI kyA? mUla cetana kI hAz2irI meM jo cArja ho rahA hai, bAda meM vaha DiscArja hotA rahatA hai, use nizcetana cetana kahA hai| ghaTaka cArja ho rahe haiM, ina cArja ho cuke ghaTakoM ko 'kAraNa' kahate haiM, kaoNz2ez2a kahate haiN| aura jaba pUrI z2indagI ke kaoNz2ez2a ikaTThe hote haiM, aura jaba manuSya mara jAtA hai taba jo kaoNz2ez2a haiM na, kAraNa zarIra, vaha dUsare janma meM kArya zarIra, 'iphekTiva baoNDI' bana jAtA hai| 'iphekTiva baoNDI' yAnI ina mana-vacana-kAyA kI tIna beTariyA~ taiyAra ho jAtI hai aura una meM se vApasa naye kaoNz2ez2a utpanna hote hI rahate haiN| ataH isa janma meM mana-vacana-kAyA DiscArja hote rahate haiM aura dUsarI tarafa aMdara nayA cArja hotA rahatA hai| mana-vacana-kAyA kI jo beTariyA~ cArja hotI rahatI haiM, ve agale janma ke lie haiM aura ye jo pichale janma kI haiM, ve abhI DiscArja hotI rahatI haiN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' nayA cArja baMda kara dete haiM, taba phira purAnA DiscArja hotA rahatA hai| yAnI mRtyu ke bAda AtmA dUsarI yoni meM jAtA hai| jaba taka khuda ke 'selpha' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka anya sabhI yoniyoM meM bhaTakatA rahatA hai| jaba taka mana meM tanmayAkAra rahatA hai, buddhi meM tanmayAkAra rahatA hai taba taka saMsAra khar3A hai, kyoMki tanmayAkAra hone kA artha hai yoni meM bIja par3anA aura kRSNa bhagavAna ne kahA hai ki yoni meM bIja par3ane se hI yaha saMsAra hai| jisakA yoni meM bIja par3anA baMda ho gayA ki usakA saMsAra khatma ho gyaa| paMcendriyA~, eka janma taka hI praznakartA : eka jIva dUsare khola meM jAtA hai, vahA~ para sAtha meM paMcendriyA~ aura mana vagairaha hara eka jIva lekara jAtA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, kucha bhI nhiiN| indriyA~ to sabhI ekz2osTa hokara khatma ho gii| indriyA~ to mara gii| yAnI ki usake sAtha meM indriya vagairaha kucha bhI nahIM jaataa| sirpha ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha hI jAte haiN| kAraNa

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AptavANI-8 zarIra meM krodha-mAna-mAyA - lobha sabakucha hI A gayA / aura sUkSma zarIra, vaha kaisA hotA hai? jaba taka mokSa meM nahIM jAtA, taba taka sAtha meM hI rahatA hai| bhale hI kahIM bhI janma ho, parantu yaha sUkSma zarIra to sAtha meM hI rahatA hai| 44 T bAkI, indriyA~ sabhI mara jAtI haiM / aura kAraNa zarIra meM se phira se naI utpanna hotI haiN| ye indriyA~ to ekz2osTa hone ke lie utpanna huI haiM, ye niraMtara ekz2osTa hI hotI rahatI haiM / aura ekz2osTa ho jAe~ to khatma ho jAtI haiN| phira marate samaya unase pUcheM ki, 'kucha bolie na ! cAcA, kucha bolie / ' lekina ve 'la la la... ' karate rahate haiM / jIbha gii| kyoMki ekz2osTa ho gaI, khatma ho gii| A~kha kA bhI aisA ho jAtA hai / ina kAnoM kA bhI aisA ho jAtA hai, yAnI ki sabakucha ekz2osTa ho jAtA hai| yAnI ye indriyA~ bilkula bhI sAtha meM nahIM jAtIM / use naI phreza indriyA~ mileMgI / A~kheM bhI pharsTaklAsa, kAna bhI pharsTaklAsa mileNge| phira reDiyo sunate hI raho na kAna se lagAkara / sUkSma zarIra se saMbaMdha kaba taka? deha ko chor3akara AtmA akelA nahIM jAtA hai| AtmA ke sAtha meM phira sabhI karma, kAraNa karma-kAraNa deha kahate haiM use, aura tIsarA ilekTrikala baoNDI, ye tInoM sAtha meM nikalate haiM / jaba taka yaha saMsAra hai, taba taka hara eka jIva meM yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI hotI hI hai| kAraNa zarIra banA ki 'ilekTrikala baoNDI' sAtha meM hotI hI hai| ilekTrikala baoNDI hara eka jIva meM sAmAnya bhAva se hotI hI hai aura usake AdhAra para apanA saba calatA hai| bhojana khA lete haiM, use pacAne kA kAma yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI karatI hai / ye khUna vagairaha saba banatA hai, khUna zarIra meM Upara car3hAtI hai, nIce utAratI hai, aMdara ye sAre kAma karatI hai| A~khoM se jo dikhatA hai, vaha sArI lAiTa ilekTrikala baoNDI ke kAraNa hI hai / aura ye krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha, ye bhI isa ilekTrikala baoNDI ke kAraNa hote haiM / AtmA meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha haiM hI nahIM / yaha gussA bhI, ye saba ilekTrikala baoNDI ke zaoNka haiN| I

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AptavANI-8 45 praznakartA : to phira cArja hone meM ilekTrikala baoNDI kAma karatI hogI na? dAdAzrI : ilekTrikala baoNDI ho tabhI cArja hotA hai, varnA yadi yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI nahIM hogI to yaha kucha bhI calegA hI nahIM / ilekTrikala baoNDI ho aura AtmA nahIM ho, taba bhI kucha nahIM calegA / ye saba samuccaya kaoNz2ez2a haiN| praznakartA : jaba jIva mara jAtA hai, taba taijasa zarIra kisa taraha se usake sAtha meM jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : taijasa zarIra kaba taka rahatA hai? karma kI sillaka ho taba tk| karma kI sillaka khatma ho gaI ki taijasa zarIra (sAtha meM) nahIM aataa| arthAt vaha isa pUre bhavaparyaMta TheTha taka rahatA hai| hara eka jIva mAtra meM, per3a meM, sabhI meM taijasa zarIra hotA hai, yaha taijasa zarIra nahIM ho to usakI gAr3I kisa taraha calegI? taijasa zarIra ko aMgrez2I meM kahanA ho to ilekTrikala baoNDI kaha sakate haiM / aura 'ilekTrisiTI' ke binA to ghara meM cala hI nahIM sakegA aura A~khoM se dikhegA bhI nahIM / 'ilekTrisiTI' baMda ho gaI ki ho cukA, sabakucha khatma ho jAegA ! aisA hai na, isa pAnI ke nIce agara sTova jalAo, to eka sera pAnI hogA, phira bhI khatma ho jAegA na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : yaha pAnI, vaha sthUla svarUpa hai aura jo ur3a jAtA hai, vaha sUkSma svarUpa hai| usI prakAra yaha deha jo sthUla svarUpa hai, vaha hameM dikhatI hai, aura vaha sUkSma svarUpa hameM dikhatA nahIM hai / parantu vaha sUkSma zarIra bhI isake jaisA hI hotA hai, anya koI farqa hai hI nahIM / sUkSma zarIra kA matalaba hI ilekTrikala baoNDI hai / praznakartA : lekina jisa samaya jIva jAtA hai, usa samaya kArmaNa zarIra aura taijasa zarIra usake sAtha meM kisa taraha se jAte haiM? anya kucha sAtha meM kyoM nahIM jAtA ?

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46 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : jo pAnI hamane jalAyA na, usa pAnI meM hI hAiDrojana aura oNksIjana donoM sAtha meM nikalate haiM aura bAda meM ve alaga ho jAte haiN| lekina jaba ur3ate haiM, taba donoM sAtha meM ur3ate haiN| lekina bAda meM alaga hote haiM aura phira se ikaTThe hote haiN| yaha hisAba hai| karma ke hisAba se ilekTrikala baoNDI cipakI huI hI rahatI hai| yAnI anya koI milAvaTa nahIM hotii| yaha ilekTrikala baoNDI saMpUrNa bhavaparyaMta eka hI rahatI hai aura usameM bAhara kA aura kucha bhI use chUtA nahIM hai| jaise ki yaha zarIra, dUsare zarIra ko ghusane nahIM detA, usI prakAra isa sUkSma zarIra kA hai, yaha sthUla zarIra A~khoM se dikhatA hai aura sUkSma zarIra A~khoM se nahIM dikhe, aisA hotA hai, aura koI farka nahIM hai| isameM AkAra vagairaha eka jaisA, sirpha itanA hI ki yaha sthUla dikhatA hai aura sUkSma zarIra nahIM dikhatA, itanA hii| yAnI isameM kucha bhI mizrita nahIM ho sakatA, yaha sUkSma zarIra kisI aura ko nahIM miltaa| isameM bhI mamatA hai na, usI prakAra se vahA~ para sUkSma deha meM bhI mamatA hai, sabhIkucha hai| aisA hai na, jaba taka saMsAra avasthA hai taba taka sUkSma zarIra sAtha meM rahatA hI hai| saMsAra avasthA arthAt bhrAMti kI avsthaa| jaba taka vaha hai taba taka sUkSma zarIra rahatA hai| praznakartA : to sUkSma deha meM AtmA svataMtra hai yA ba~dhA huA dAdAzrI : svataMtra hI hai, ba~dhA huA nahIM hai| vyavahAra AtmA ba~dhA huA hai aura kharA (nizcaya) AtmA ba~dhA huA nahIM hai| jisakA Apa vyavahAra meM upayoga karate ho, vaha AtmA ba~dhA huA hai| praznakartA : yaha jo phira se janma letA hai, vaha sUkSma deha letA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, to phira Apa aisA kaho na ki yaha ahaMkAra janma letA hai! sUkSma deha ko to pahacAnate hI nahIM, kabhI bhI sUkSma deha ko to dekhA hI nhiiN| sUkSma deha zabda bolanA sIkha gae, vaha to kitAba meM pddh'kr|

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AptavANI-8 47 ataH ahaMkAra hI janma letA hai, aisA kaho na ! ahaMkAra ko pahacAnate ho yA nahIM pahacAnate? ahaMkAra hI deha dhAraNa karatA hai bAra-bAra / eka to vyavahAra AtmA hai aura eka kharA AtmA hai / kharA AtmA ba~dhA huA nahIM hai, vaha zuddha hI hai| yAnI ahaMkAra kI hI gar3abar3a hai yaha / ahaMkAra calA jAe to mokSa ho jaaegaa| basa, itanI choTI-sI bAta samajha meM AegI na? jise sUkSmadeha kahate ho vaha, vahI dUsare janma meM jAtI hai| yaha pramANa to hameM samajha meM AtA hai na? bAkI sUkSma ko to kisa taraha se pahacAnoge? sUkSma vastu alaga hai, use to 'jJAnI' hI jAnate haiM / yaha to loga kitAba meM par3hakara 'sUkSmadeha, sUkSmadeha' bolate haiN| bAkI jo sthUla ko hI nahIM pahacAnatA, vaha sUkSma ko kisa taraha se pahacAnegA? kisa para kisakI vaLagaNA praznakartA : AtmA pudgala se cipakA huA hai yA pudgala AtmA se cipakA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, koI kisIse cipakA huA hai hI nahIM, sabakucha naimittika hai| yaha to loga vyavahAra meM kahate haiM ki, 'AtmA cipaka gayA hai|' isIlie to loga aisA kahate haiM ki, 'isa per3a ko tUne pakar3A hai, tU chor3a de', lekina aise chor3ane se kyA chUTatA hogA? yaha to 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' hai| praznakartA : lekina aisA dikhatA hai ki AtmA isa pudgala se cipakA huA hai| AtmA pudgala meM tanmayAkAra ho jAtA hai, isalie aisA huA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to anivAryataH honA hI par3atA hai| praznakartA : AtmA ko yaha anivAryatA kyoM huI? kisane anivArya kiyA? dAdAzrI : yaha saba to aisA hai na, AtmA caitanya hai aura yaha pudgala

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AptavANI-8 jar3a hai, ina donoM ko sAtha meM rakhA to vizeSabhAva utpanna ho jAtA hai / koI kucha bhI nahIM karatA, lekina donoM ke ikaTThe hone se vizeSabhAva utpanna hotA hai aura vizeSabhAva hone se saMsAra zurU ho jAtA hai / phira AtmA jaba vApasa mUla bhAva meM A jAtA hai aura khuda jAna letA hai ki 'maiM kauna hU~' taba vaha chUTa jAtA hai| usake bAda pudgala bhI chUTa jAtA hai| praznakartA: donoM pAsa-pAsa meM kisa taraha se Ae? dAdAzrI : vahI yaha eviDensa hai na! vyavahAra meM praveza karate hI yaha saba mila jAtA hai| yahA~ vyavahAra pUrA saMjogoM se bharA huA hai, aura jahA~ saMjoga nahIM hote, vahA~ taka jAnA hai, siddhapada meM jAnA hai| isake lie zAstra, 'jJAnIpuruSa', ye sabhI sAdhana mila jAte haiM, aura taba, jaba vaha khuda kA svarUpa samajhe, taba se hI vaha mukta hone lagatA hai / phira eka janma, do janma, nahIM to paMdraha janmoM meM bhI usakA hala A jAtA hai! 48 yAnI cetana khuda pudgala ke cakra meM par3A hI nahIM hai| yaha jo aisA lagatA hai ki par3A huA hai, vaha bhI bhrAMti hai| yaha bhrAMti dUra ho jAe to alaga-alaga hI haiM / AtmA zuddha hI! bilIfa hI roMga praznakartA : AtmA usake mUla svabhAva meM to zuddha hai, to use ye saba kaSAya kisa taraha se laga gae hoMge? aura karma kisa taraha se ba~dhe ? dAdAzrI : yaha sAinsa hai ! hama yahA~ para lohA rakha deM aura yadi vaha lohA jIvita ho aura kahe ki, 'mujhe jaMga nahIM lage', lekina sAinsa kA niyama hai, ki yadi use anya saMyogoM kA sparza hogA to use jaMga lage binA rahegA hI nhiiN| usI prakAra se AtmA mUla svabhAva se to zuddha hI hai, parantu use ina saMyogoM ke dabAva se jaMga laga gayA hai| praznakartA : AtmA abhI karma se AvRta haiM, parantu AtmA yadi karmoM ko khapA de to phira use jaMga lagegA kyA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, jaba taka khuda svabhAna meM nahIM AtA, taba taka

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AptavANI-8 49 jaMga lagatA rahatA hai, niraMtara jaMga lagatA hI rahatA hai| khuda kA bhAna gayA, khuda Aropita bhAva meM hai, isalie jaMga lagatA hI rahatA hai| maiM caMdUlAla hU~' yaha Aropita bhAva hai, isalie niraMtara jaMga lagatA rahatA hai| vaha Aropita bhAva gayA aura 'svabhAva' meM A jAe, yAnI ki khuda ke svarUpa meM A jAe, kSetrajJadazA meM A jAe, to phira use jaMga nahIM lagegA! praznakartA : zurUAta meM AtmA mUla padArtha ke rUpa meM kyA hogA ki jisase yaha jaMga lagA? dAdAzrI : ye sabhI tatva loka meM haiM, aura loka meM jaba taka haiM taba taka dUsare tatvoM kA asara hotA rhegaa| ise 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' kahate haiN| AtmA jaba loka se pare jAegA, siddhagati meM jAegA, taba vahA~ para use jaMga nahIM lgegaa| aisA hai na, anya koI karma lage hue nahIM haiM, bhAna khoyA hai, vahI karma lage hue haiN| bAkI khuda zuddha hI hai| abhI bhI ApakA AtmA zuddha hI hai| hara eka kA AtmA zuddha hI hai, parantu yaha jo bAhyarUpa khar3A ho gayA hai, usa rUpa meM khuda ko 'roMga bilIfa' khar3I ho gaI hai| janma se hI khuda ko yahA~ para usa rUpa meM ajJAna pradAna kiyA jAtA hai| saMsAra hai, isalie jaba se bacce kA janma hotA hai, taba se hI use ajJAna kA pradAna kiyA jAtA hai ki 'beTA AyA, beTA, beTA' kahate haiN| phira caMdU nAma rakhA jAe to loga phira use 'caMdra, caMdra' kahate haiM, taba khuda phira mAna letA hai ki 'maiM caMdU huuN|' phira use pApA kI pahacAna karavAte haiM, mammI kI pahacAna karavAte haiM, sArA ajJAna kA hI pradAna kiyA jAtA hai| 'tU caMdU, ye terI mammI, ye tere pApA' aise pahacAna karavAte haiM, isalie phira use jo roMga bilIfa baiTha gaI hai, vaha ukhar3atI hI nhiiN| usa roMga bilIfa ko jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' tor3a dete haiM, taba rAiTa bilIfa baiThatI hai, aura taba hala A jAtA hai ! yAnI AtmA to zuddha hI hai, yaha to sirpha dRSTiphera hI hai!! praznakartA : lekina isakI zurUAta kisa taraha se huI? dAdAzrI : yaha to avinAzI vastuoM ke ikaTThe hone se ye saba

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AptavANI -8 avasthAe~ utpanna ho gaI haiN| yaha saMsAra arthAt samasaraNa mArga aura samasaraNa arthAt niraMtara parivartana hotA hI rahatA hai / isa parivartana se Apako khuda ke lie aisA lagatA, ki ApakA AtmA azuddha hI hai, lekina mujhe ApakA AtmA zuddha hI dikhatA hai / sirpha ApakI 'roMga bilIfa' baiThI huI hai, isalie Apa azuddha mAnate haiM / ina 'roMga bilIfoM' ko maiM phrekcara kara dU~ aura Apako 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThA dU~, taba phira Apako bhI zuddha dikhegaa| yaha to sirpha mithyAdarzana utpanna ho gayA hai, jahA~ para sukha nahIM hai vahA~ para sukha kI mAnyatA utpanna ho gaI hai| hama jaba jJAna dete haiM, usake bAda phira use saccI dizA meM rAstA mila jAtA hai / rAstA mila jAtA hai isalie hala A jAtA hai / mithyAdarzana badala deM aura samyakadarzana kara deM, taba usakA niber3A A jAtA hai, taba taka niber3A nahIM AtA / AtmA zuddha hI hai| abhI bhI ApakA AtmA zuddha hI hai, sirpha ApakI bilIfa roMga hai / isalie Apa ina TemparerI vastuoM meM sukha mAna baiThe ho| jo A~khoM se dikhatA hai, kAna se sunAI detA hai, jIbha se cakhA jAtA hai, vaha saba, 'oNla Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTasa' hai aura usa TemparerI meM Apane sukha maanaa| abhI Apako isa 'roMga bilIfa' kA asara ho gayA hai| yaha 'roMga bilIfa' phrekcara ho jAe to phira TemparerI meM sukha nahIM AegA, 'paramAnenTa' meM sukha aaegaa| 'paramAnenTa' sukha, vaha sanAtana sukha hai, vaha Ane ke bAda phira jAtA nahIM hai / aura use hI 'AtmA prApta kiyA', I jAtA hai, use svAnubhava pada kahate haiN| usa svAnubhava pada sahita Age bar3hatebar3hate phira pUrNAhuti ho jAtI hai| kahA vastuoM kA Avana - jAvana kaisA? praznakartA : sabhI jIva ki jo AtmA haiM, ve AtmA isa jagat meM kahA~ se Ae hoMge? dAdAzrI : koI bhI AyA nahIM hai| yaha pUrA hI jagat chaha tatvoM kA pradarzana haiN| ye jo chaha tatva haiM, una sabake milane se hI yaha jagat banA hai, vahI dikhatA hai| sirpha 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenizyala eviDensa' hai!

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AptavANI-8 51 yAnI kisIne banAyA nahIM hai, kisIko kucha karanA nahIM par3A hai| isakI Adi nahIM hai, isakA aMta nahIM hai / yaha 'jaisA hai vaisA' kaha diyA hai ki jagat anAdi-anaMta hai| sirpha eka dRSTiphera se jagat dikhatA hai aura dUsarI dRSTiphera se mokSa dikhatA hai / pUrA dRSTiphera hI hai sirpha, aura kucha bhI hai hI nahIM / I jo 'AtA' hai, vaha sanAtana nahIM ho sakatA aura AtmA sanAtana vastu hai, to phira usake lie ' AyA, gayA' nahIM hotA / jo AtA hai vaha to calA jAtA hai| AtmA aisA nahIM hai / jagat meM sabase prathama to... praznakartA : to phira ye jIva kahA~ se paidA hue? dAdAzrI : ye jIva paidA hue hI nahIM / AtmA avinAzI hai| aura avinAzI paidA nahIM hotA kabhI bhI / vaha to hamezA rahatA hai / aura usakA nAza bhI nahIM hotA aura vaha paidA bhI nahIM hotA / koI paidA nahIM huA hai aura naSTa bhI nahIM huA hai / yaha jo dikhatA hai, yaha sArI bhrAMti hai / aura avasthAoM kA nAza hotA hai| bur3hApe kI avasthA, javAnI kI avasthA, una sabakA nAza hotA rahatA hai aura vaha 'khuda', jo thA, vahI kA vhii| arthAt avasthA kA vinAza hotA hai / I praznakartA : lekina apanI pRthvI para pahale jIva the hI nahIM na? to bAda meM ye saba jIva Ae kahA~ se? dAdAzrI : the nahIM, aisA kisIne kahA thA? praznakartA : sAinsa kahatI hai| dAdAzrI : sAinsa aisA kahatI hI nahIM hai| sAinsa to sabakucha eksepTa karatI hai| yaha bhUmi bagaira jIvoM kI kabhI bhI thI hI nhiiN| praznakartA : vijJAna aisA bhI kahatA hai ki pahale jIvasRSTi huI aura phira manuSyasRSTi huii|

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : yaha vijJAna to thA hI nahIM, usa smy| yaha jagat to anAdi se hai hii| isakA AraMbha huA hI nahIM aura isakA aMta ho jAegA, aisA bhI nahIM hai| praznakartA : maiM kaI bAra socatA hU~, ki sabase prathama pUrvaja kauna hoMge? lekina mujhe isakA javAba nahIM miltaa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai, sabase pahalA pUrvaja hotA na, to usakI Adi huI kahalAtI aura jisakI Adi hotI hai usakA aMta hotA hai, to duniyA kA nAza ho jaataa| lekina isa duniyA kA nAza nahIM honevAlA aura duniyA kI Adi bhI nahIM huI hai| yAnI pahalA pUrvaja koI thA hI nhiiN| yaha jaisA hai, vaise kA vaisA hI hai, jo hai na vahI kA vahI hai| anAdi se yahI kA yahI pravAha calatA A rahA hai| yaha duniyA anAdi kAla se aisI kI aisI hI hai aura anAdi kAla taka aisI kI aisI hI rhegii| yAnI aise hI calatA rahegA, anAdi kAla se cala rahA hai aura anAdi kAla taka calatA rhegaa| praznakartA : lekina kaI vaijJAnika aisA kahate haiM ki pahale vAnara the| dAdAzrI : aisA koI vAnara nahIM thaa| use vAnara kaho yA kucha aura kaho, lekina mUlataH vaha AtmA hI hai na? aura AtmA hI, sabhI yoniyoM meM hai, aura anAtmA bhI hai| pudgala bhI hai aura AtmA bhI hai| yAnI pahale baMdara thA vagairaha, aisA kucha hai nhiiN| sarva yoniyoM meM, jaisA hisAba hotA hai na vaha vaisI yoniyoM meM jAtA hai| bAkI AtmA anAdi se haiM aura anAtmA bhI anAdi se haiN| praznakartA : saMsAra meM manuSya khuda ke pUrvakarma ke kAraNa hI ba~dhA huA hai, aisA kahA jAtA hai| to phira pRthvI para sabase prathama utpanna honevAlA manuSya khuda ke sAtha meM pUrva ke kauna-se baMdhana lAyA hogA? dAdAzrI : sabase pahale utpanna honevAlA manuSya thA hI nhiiN| yaha jagat utpanna huA hI nahIM hai| jisakI utpatti ho usakA vinAza avazya hotA hai| yaha jagat vinAzI bhI nahIM hai aura usI prakAra, utpanna bhI nahIM

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AptavANI-8 huA hai| jagat to anAdi anaMta hai| aura ye manuSya haiM, aura jIva mAtra haiM, ye sabhI anAdi anaMta haiN| per3a meM jIva ho yA choTe se choTe jIva hoM, ve sabhI anAdi anaMta haiM ! isameM kucha bhI kama - z2yAdA nahIM huA hai, jitane the utane hI haiM! 53 eka bhI jIva bar3hA nahIM hai aura eka bhI jIva ghaTA nahIM hai, aisI yaha duniyA hai / eka paramANu bhI bar3hA nahIM hai, ghaTA nahIM hai / jalA de, cAhe kucha bhI kare, phira bhI anAdi se eka bhI paramANu ghaTatA nahIM hai, na hI bar3hatA hai, aisI yaha duniyA hai / yAnI AtmA AyA bhI nahIM hai aura gayA bhI nahIM hai / yaha ' AyAgayA', yaha sArI buddhi kI bhASA hai, jaba jJAnabhASA meM A jAegA na taba use khuda ko lagegA ki aisA kucha huA hI nahIM thA / use buddhi se yaha saba bhAsita hotA hai| yaha buddhi jAe, ahaMkAra jAe na, to khuda mukta hI hai| isa buddhi aura ahaMkAra se sabakucha khar3A ho gayA hai, isalie yaha saba dikhatA hai| saMyogoM meM bilIfa kI A~TI, kauna nikAle ? manuSya bAhara nikalatA hai to parachAI kahA~ se AtI hai ? sabhI saMyogoM ke kaarnn| sUrya kA saMyoga mila jAe to parachAI utpanna ho jAtI hai, darpaNa kA saMyoga mila jAe to pratibiMba utpanna ho jAtA hai| yAnI yaha saba saMyogoM ke kAraNa huA hai aura isalie pUrI bilIfa badala gaI hai / 'svarUpa' to vahI kA vahI hai, lekina bilIfa badala gaI hai ki yaha kyA ho gayA? yaha cir3iyA darpaNa meM coMca nahIM mAratI ? cir3iyA darpaNa meM coMca mAratI hai na? aba manuSya aisA nahIM karatA / kyoMki vaha jAnatA hai ki yaha to merA hI phoTo hai| lekina cir3iyA kI bilIfa badala gaI hai ki yaha dUsarI cir3iyA AI hai, isalie use coMca mAratI rahatI hai / lekina bahuta dinoM ke anubhava ke bAda phira vaha bilIfa TUTa jAtI hai| isI prakAra yaha bilIfa hI badalI huI hai| pUrI bilIfa hI roMga ho gaI hai, isalie ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA hai aura isIlie buddhi utpanna ho gaI hai| aura buddhi utpanna ho gaI, isalie buddhi I

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AptavANI-8 ke AdhAra para, buddhi kI lAiTa calatI hai, aura vaha mUla lAiTa baMda ho gii| isalie ulajha gayA hai sbhiikuch| AtmA meM kucha bhI parivartana nahIM huA hai| AtmA kA kucha bigar3A bhI nahIM hai, na hI AtmA para kucha asara huA hai| manuSya bAhara nikalatA hai, to parachAI pIche-pIche ghUmatI hai na? yaha saba parachAI jaisA hI hai| koI manuSya parachAI meM aise-aise kare, eka u~galI U~cI kare, do u~galiyA~ U~cI kare, aise-vaise dekhe, to hama nahIM samajha jAe~ ki isakA dimAg2a z2arA bigar3a gayA hai? isI taraha jaba khuda kA bhAna ho jAe, taba phira jaise kucha huA hI nahIM ho usa taraha se saMyogoM meM se chUTa jAtA hai| yAnI ki ye saMyoga ikaTThe ho gae haiM, aura kucha nhiiN| aura parachAI ko nikAlane ke lie agara roDa para daur3atA rahe to parachAI calI jAegI? nhiiN| vaha to aise daur3e to pIche dikhatI hai, nahIM to idhara ghUma jAe taba bhI phira dikhatI hai| to phira vaha AdamI cAhe kaise bhI vApasa ghame phira bhI kucha na kucha dikhatA hI rahatA hai na? yAnI ki parachAI use chor3atI nahIM hai| aba use koI batAe ki 'tU ghara meM ghusa jA na' to parachAI baMda ho jAegI! yAnI yaha to sirpha bilIfa roMga ho cukI hai, varnA aura kucha hai nhiiN| AtmA ne karma bA~dhe hI nahIM aura yaha to saba gappabAz2I calI hai| yadi karma bA~dhe taba to vaha usakA hamezA kA svabhAva ho jAegA aura hamezA kA svabhAva phira jAegA hI nhiiN| yaha to sArI ulTI samajha ghusA dI hai| bhagavAna ne kahA alaga aura logoM ne samajhA alg| bhagavAna ke kahe hue zabdoM meM se eka akSara bhI loga nahIM samajha sakate haiM abhI! kucha bhI chUTa nahIM pAtA aura behisAba ciMtA-parezAniyA~ usa para asara karatI hI rahatI haiN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' jAnate haiM ki yaha saba kyA hai ! mahAvIra bhagavAna jAnate the, lekina kaheM kisa taraha? spaSTa nahIM kahA jA sakatA thaa| thor3e-se hI logoM ke bIca meM maiM spaSTa rUpa se kaha sakatA hU~, lekina pA~ca sau logoM ke bIca aise spaSTa rUpa se nahIM kaha sktaa| hama ba~dhe hue se kaheM ki, 'tU mukta hI hai', to kyA dazA hogI becAre kI? usake anubhava meM AegA nahIM, aura balki ulTA kregaa|

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AptavANI-8 55 isa cir3iyA ko zIze meM kucha karanA par3atA hai? zIze kA saMyoga milA ki aMdara dUsarI cir3iyA A jAtI hai| A~khoM aura coMca sahita, aura bAharavAlI cir3iyA jaisA karatI hai, vaisA hI aMdaravAlI cir3iyA karatI hai| isI taraha AtmA bhI saMyogoM se ghirA huA hai| jaise sUryanArAyaNa ke saMyoga se parachAI utpanna hotI hai, vaise hI yaha to saMyogoM ke kAraNa 'khuda kA svarUpa' ulTA dikhatA hai / bAkI, ina saba saMyogoM se koI mukta ho cuke hoM, ve hI hameM mukta karavA sakate haiM, aura koI mukta nahIM karavA sakatA / jo khuda hI ba~dhA huA hai, vaha kisa taraha se mukta karegA ? AtmA kahA~ se AyA? to 'rileTiva' meM mujhe kahanA par3A ki AtmA samasaraNa mArga meM hai| mArga meM jAte hue ye taraha-taraha ke saMyoga milate jAte haiM, una saMyogoM ke dabAva se jJAna vibhAvika ho gayA / anya kucha AtmA ne kiyA hI nhiiN| yaha to jJAna vibhAvika huA na, isIlie jaisA bhAva huA, vaisA hI yaha deha nirmita ho gayA / isameM AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'aa| phira jaisI kalpanA karatA hai vaisA bana jAtA hai, kalpanA kare vaisA bana jAtA hai aura phira ulajhatA rahatA hai, phira niyama meM A jAtA hai, 'vyavasthita' ke niyama meM A jAtA hai| phira 'beTarI' meM se 'beTarI', 'beTarI' meM se 'beTarI' aise sAikala (cakra) calatI rahatI hai| jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' 'beTarI' chur3avA dete haiM, taba chuTakArA hotA hai / ye mana-vacanakAyA kI tIna beTariyA~ haTA dete haiM tAki aisI 'beTarI' cArja nahIM ho aura purAnI 'beTarI' DiscArja hotI raheM ! I isIlie jJAniyoM ne kahA hai, anAdi anaMta yaha to AtmA ko aise saMyoga mile haiN| jaise abhI hama yahA~ para baiThe haiM, aura bAhara nikale to ekadama koharA ho to Apa aura maiM AmanesAmane hoMge, phira bhI nahIM dikheMge / aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? praznakartA : hA~, hotA hai / dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha jo koharA chA jAtA hai, usase dikhanA baMda ho jAtA hai| aise hI isa AtmA para saMyogarUpI koharA chAyA huA hai, yAnI

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AptavANI-8 ki itane sAre saMyoga khar3e ho jAte haiN| aura ye anaMta prakAra kI parateM to usa kohare se bhI jyAdA haiN| ye itane adhika bhayaMkara AvaraNa haiM ki use bhAna hI nahIM hone dete| bAkI, AtmA AyA bhI nahIM hai aura gayA bhI nahIM hai| AtmA khuda hI paramAtmA hai! lekina bhAna hI nahIM hone detA, yaha bhI Azcarya hai na! aura yaha 'jJAnI' ne dekhA hai, jo mukta ho cuke haiM unhoMne dekha liyA hai| ataH ye saba buddhi ke prazna haiN| prazna mAtra buddhi ke haiM aura buddhi khatma ho jAe taba yaha jJAna ho sake aisA hai| loga to kahate haiM, 'isakI Adi kahA~ se?' are, Adi zabda tU kahA~ se sIkha lAyA? ye saba vikalpa haiN| 'jJAnI' ne inake vikalpoM kA zamana karane ke lie aisA kahA hai ki, 'anAdi-anaMta haiM!' praznakartA : 'anAdi-anaMta' kA artha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : anAdi-anaMta yAnI kyA? koI bhI vastu gola hotI hai na, usakI zurUAta kA patA nahIM calatA aura aMta kA bhI patA nahIM calatA! isa mAlA meM aMta kA patA cala sakatA hai kyA? zurUAta kA bhI patA nahIM calatA na? isalie ise anAdi-anaMta kahA hai| logoM ko unakI bhASA meM samajhAnA par3atA hai na? bAkI, aisA kucha hotA hI nahIM hai| abhI bhI khuda paramAtmApada meM hI hai, lekina use bhAna nahIM hai| ina saMyogoM ke prezara ke kAraNa bhAna calA gayA hai| abhI koI kalekTara ho, lekina bhAna calA gayA ho taba hama unase pUche ki, 'Apa kauna ho?' taba yadi use khuda kA bhAna nahIM hogA to kyA javAba degA? yahA~ jIvita manuSya kA bhAna calA jAtA hai na? usI taraha isakA bhAna bilkula hI nahIM rhaa| logoM ne jaisA kahA vaisA asara hotA gayA, hotA gayA, aura usI anusAra mAna liyA hai sbkuch| sanAtana kI zurUAta, vaha kyA hai? praznakartA : AtmA ko kisane banAyA?

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : use kisIne nahIM bnaayaa| banAyA hotA na to usakA nAza ho jaataa| AtmA niraMtara rahanevAlI vastu hai, vaha sanAtana tatva hai| usakI biginiMga haI hI nhiiN| use koI banAnevAlA hai hI nhiiN| banAnevAlA hotA taba to banAnevAle kA bhI nAza ho jAtA aura bananevAle kA bhI nAza ho jaataa| praznakartA : AtmA jaisI vastu kisalie utpanna huI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha utpanna jaisA kucha huA hI nhiiN| isa jagat meM chaha tatva haiM, ve tatva niraMtara parivartita hote hI rahate haiM aura parivartana ke kAraNa ye sabhI avasthAe~ dikhatI haiN| avasthAoM ko loga aisA samajhate haiM ki, 'yaha merA svarUpa hai|' ye avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM aura tatva avinAzI hai| yAnI AtmA ko utpanna hone kA rahatA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : yAnI akele AtmA ko hI mokSa meM jAnA hai, anya kisI para yaha lAgU nahIM hotA? dAdAzrI : AtmA mokSa svarUpa hI hai, lekina isa para ye dUsare tatvoM kA dabAva A gayA hai| ina tatvoM meM se chUTegA to mokSa ho jAegA, aura khuda mokSa svarUpa hI hai| lekina ajJAna ke kAraNa mAnatA rahatA hai ki 'maiM yaha hU~, maiM yaha hU~', aura isase 'roMga bilIfa' meM pha~satA rahatA hai, jaba ki jJAna se chUTa sakatA hai| vyavahAra rAzi kI 'jyoM kI tyoM' vyavasthA praznakartA : naye-naye AtmA duniyA meM Ate hoMge yA jitane haiM utane hI AtmA isa duniyA meM haiM? dAdAzrI : Apa aisA pUchanA cAhate ho ki ye manuSya bar3ha gae haiM, ve kahA~ se Ate hoMge? praznakartA : nahIM, aisA nhiiN| yaha to pahalA ArA (kAlacakra kA eka bhAga), dUsarA ArA aise saba Are Ate haiM, to usa samaya jitane AtmA the ve sabhI AtmA abhI bhI haiM yA phira unameM kucha kama-z2yAdA hotA hai?

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AptavANI-8 isa dAdAzrI : eka bhI AtmA bar3hatA yA ghaTatA nahIM hai / jitane yahA~ se mukti meM jAte haiM, utane AtmA dUsarI jagaha se yahA~ para A jAte haiM, saMsAra vyavahAra meM A jAte haiM / vyavahAra yAnI jina jIvoM ke nAmarUpa par3a cuke haiM, ve vyavahAra meM A cuke haiN| yAnI yaha gulAba kA paudhA hai vaha, vyavahAra meM AyA kahA jaaegaa| aura jisakA abhI taka nAmarUpa kucha par3A nahIM hai, ve vyavahAra meM Ae hI nahIM haiN| aise anaMta jIva haiM ki jo vyavahAra meM nahIM Ae haiM, isalie unako to hisAba meM hI mata lenA / yahA~ se jitane mokSa meM jAte haiM, utane vahA~ se yahA~ para A hI jAte haiN| yAnI isa vyavahAra meM jitane jIva haiM, ve utane ke utane hI rahate haiM / unameM kucha bhI kamaz2yAdA nahIM hotA hai| isIko saMsAra kahate haiM, eka bhI bar3hatA nahIM aura eka bhI ghaTatA nhiiN| Apako samajha meM AyA na? 58 jinakA abhI taka nAma bhI nahIM par3A hai, aise anaMta jIva haiM, unameM se yahA~ para Ate haiN| yahA~ se jitane jIva mokSa meM gae ki turanta hI ve vahA~ (avyavahAra rAzi) se yahA~ para eDamiTa ho jAte haiM / yaha saba niyamapUrvaka hai / ataH yahA~ to jitane haiM na utane hI rahate haiM, jaba gino taba utane ke utane hI rahate haiM / vyavahAra yAnI koI bhI nAma par3A, gulAba nAma par3A, AlU nAma par3A, vAyukAya nAma par3A, ye sabhI vyavahAra meM A ge| lekina jinakA nAma nahIM par3A hai, ve abhI taka vyavahAra meM nahIM Ae haiM ! praznakartA : ve jIva kahA~ para haiM? dAdAzrI : ve dUsarI jagahoM para haiM / yaha bAta bahuta samajhane jaisI hai, bahuta gaharI bAta hai / lekina hama itanI adhika gaharAI meM nahIM jAe~ge, nahIM to AtmA cUka jaaeNge| yaha saba jJAnIpuruSa kA kAma hai! Apako to itanA samajha lenA hai ki yaha haqIqata kyA hai| vApasa yadi isa sUkSma ko yAda rakhane jAe~ge to mUla jo karanA hai, vaha raha jaaegaa| Apa apane Apa hI samajha lenA na, aura Apako khuda ko hI yaha saba dikhegaa| hama jo dikhA rahe haiM usa taraha se calate rahoge to Apa bhI usa sTezana para A pahu~coge,

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AptavANI-8 kenTIna dikhegI, sabakucha dikhegA / isalie abhI se hI itanI pUchatAcha mata krnaa| abhI yahA~ para bharUca AyA ho aura Apa kaho ki, 'dAdA, muMbaI meM marInaDrAiva kaisA lagatA hai?' taba maiM kahU~gA ki, 'bhAI, muMbaI Ane do na, vahIM jAkara dekha lenA na !' yaha to aisA hotA hai ki sUrata sTezana para vaha ghArI (eka miThAI) milI ho, to usameM dhyAna nahIM rahatA aura marInaDrAiva yAda AtA rahatA hai / isIlie hama kahate haiM na, ki abhI ArAma se khAte-pIte jAo, muMbaI jAoge to marIna DrAiva Apako dikhegA, agara abhI nahIM dikhe to usakA bojhA rakhane jaisA nahIM hai| 59 praznakartA : AtmAoM kI saMkhyA meM kamI - bar3hautarI nahIM hotI isakA aisA artha huA? dAdAzrI : kama - z2yAdA hotA hI nahIM, jo hai vahI hai ! usameM kama bhI nahIM hotA aura bar3hatA bhI nahIM hai / isa jagat meM sirpha AtmA hI nahIM, lekina anAtmA kA bhI eka bhI paramANu kama - z2yAdA nahIM hotA / itanI sArI lar3AiyA~ hotI haiM, jhagar3e hote haiM, itane sAre loga mara jAte haiM, phira bhI eka bhI paramANu kama nahIM hotA aura eka bhI paramANu bar3hatA nahIM hai, AtmA kI saMkhyA meM kamI- bar3hautarI nahIM hotI / jaisA hai vaisA jagat hai, isameM parivartana ho sake, aisA nahIM hai / praznakartA : to phira yaha sArA kArobAra jo zakti calAtI hai, usa zakti ko kisa svarUpa meM pahacAneM? dAdAzrI : yaha saba jo calAtI hai, vaha zakti to, aisA hai na, ki apane ko yadi pA~ca loga parezAna kara rahe hoM to hama kisakA nAma deMge ki yaha mujhe parezAna kara rahA hai? praznakartA pA~coM kA? : dAdAzrI : hA~, usI taraha yahA~ para bhI kisI eka kA nAma de sakeM, aisA nahIM hai| isa prakAra ye saba milakara karate haiN| yaha to sArA 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenizyala eviDensa' hai| yAnI sabhI milakara karate haiM, isameM kisakA nAma deM? eka kA bhI nAma de sakate haiM? aura hai yaha

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AptavANI-8 sabakucha anivaary| yaha saMsAramArga hai aura AtmA saMsAramArga meM se guz2ara rahA hai, usakA asara hai / aura kucha hai nahIM, iphekTa hI hai sirpha / I 60 ataH AtmA bar3hatA bhI nahIM hai aura ghaTatA bhI nahIM hai| pudgala bhI na to bar3hatA hai, na hI ghaTatA hai / ye jar3a paramANu haiM na, ve bhI ghaTate nahIM haiM aura bar3hate bhI nahIM haiM / yahA~ para bhale hI kitane hI logoM ko jalA DAleM, kATa DAleM, phira bhI eka bhI paramANu bar3hatA - ghaTatA nahIM hai, sabakucha vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai| : praznakartA to phira naye kisa taraha utpanna hote haiM? manuSyoM kI AbAdI bar3hI hai na? dAdAzrI : ina jAnavaroM meM se jo kama hue haiM, ve sabhI yahA~ manuSya meM A gae haiN| lekina ve vApasa rirTana TikaTa lekara Ae hue haiM / jahA~ se nikale vahA~ kI rirTana TikaTa lekara Ae haiM / lekina yahA~ Akara kAma kyA karoge? taba kahate haiM, 'hama to logoM kA sabakucha bhoga leMge, aNahakka kA bhoga leMge aura makAna banA deMge, roDa banA deMge, pula banA deMge, aura mehanata karake mara jaaeNge|' yAnI ki jahA~ para the vahIM ke vahIM vApasa jAnevAle haiN| ye jo milAvaTa karate haiM na, ve vahA~ para jAne ke lie mArksa ikaTThe kara rahe haiM, utane mArksa mila jAe~ge to vApasa vahA~ para cale jaaeNge| sRSTi ke sarjana - samApana kI samasyA praznakartA : bhagavAna isa jIvarUpI jagat ko kaba sameTa leMge? aura usa samaya kI sthiti kaisI hogI ? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna meM isa jagat ko sameTane kI zakti hI nahIM hai / balki bhagavAna hI isa jagat meM pha~se hue haiM, ve mukta hone ke lie prayatna karate rahate haiN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' phira rAstA dikhAte haiM, taba bAhara nikala jAte haiN| jagat ko sameTane kI zakti kisI meM hai hI nahIM isa jagat meN| yAnI yaha jagat bhagavAna ne nahIM banAyA hai / isa jagat meM bhagavAna (AtmA) hI aisI eka vastu nahIM hai, ye to 'onlI sAinTiphika

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AptavANI-8 sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa' hai / aura 'dI varlDa iz2a da paz2ala iTaselpha / ' 'iTaselpha paz2ala' ho cukA hai yaha / yaha paz2ala kisa taraha se ho gayA hai, vaha hama dekhakara batA rahe haiM, ye tatva jaba milate haiM taba unameM se do tatvoM ke kAraNa yaha 'jo' utpanna huA hai, 'usakA' jJAna se nAza ho jAtA hai| ajJAna ke kAraNa utpanna huA hai, ajJAna yAnI vizeSabhAva, yAnI vizeSabhAva ke kAraNa utpanna huA hai| jJAna se vaha khatma ho jAtA hai| 61 I yaha jagat kisIne banAyA nahIM hai / banAnevAlA koI hai hI nahIM / yahA~ para ye saba ghara, vagairaha kauna banAtA hai? kyA paTela banAte haiM? paTela to paise de sakate haiN| phira suthAra, kArIgara, luhAra, ye sabhI loga ghara banAte haiN| usI taraha bhagavAna kyA luhAra yA kArIgara hai? ve to bhagavAna haiN| unakI hAz2irI se sabakucha calatA rahatA hai / jaise usa paTela kI hAz2irI se pUrA makAna banatA rahatA hai, usI taraha bhagavAna kI upasthiti se yaha pUrA jagat calatA rahatA hai aura kucha bhI karanA nahIM par3atA / ina paramANuoM meM itane sAre guNa haiM na, yaha jo pudgala hai, yaha yAnI jar3a vastuoM meM, anAtma vibhAga meM itanA sAre guNa haiM, ki ye A~kheM vagairaha apane Apa hI bana jAte haiM / kisIko kucha karanA nahIM par3atA / ina gAyoM kI, bhaiMsoM kI, bakarI kI A~kheM kitanI tejavAlI hotI hai? baMdara kI A~kheM kaisI hotI hai? yaha saba apane Apa hI ho jAtA hai, prakRti apane Apa hI bana jAtI hai| I vaha vijJAna kyA hai, vaha hamane, jJAnIpuruSa ne khuda dekhA huA hai| khuda use jAnate haiM, lekina usakA varNana nahIM kiyA jA sakatA / zabdoM se isakA varNana ho nahIM sktaa| aura zAstroM meM bhI pUrA spaSTIkaraNa nahIM huA hai| bAkI mUla spaSTIkaraNa alaga hI hai iskaa| ataH jagat hamezA isI taraha rhegaa| ise 'sAinTiphika' prakAra se samajhanA ho to mere pAsa AnA / bAkI ApakI buddhi se yaha jagat nApA jA sake, aisA hai hI nahIM, kyoMki isa jagat meM se jIva mokSa meM bhI jAte haiM, aura phira bhI jagat aise kA aisA hI rahegA / yaha ajUbA yadi pUrI taraha

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AptavANI-8 se samajhanA ho to yahA~ mere pAsa aanaa| isa jagat ko sameTanevAlA koI hai hI nhiiN| yaha duniyA bhagavAna ne nahIM banAI hai| ye phaoNrina ke sAinTisTa mujhase pUcha rahe the ki, 'gaoNDa iz2a kriyettr| hamAre krAisTa ne kahA hai, to Apa kyoM nakAra rahe haiM?' taba maiM kahatA hU~, 'gaoNDa iz2a kriyeTara iz2a karekTa bAi krizciyana vyU poinTa, bAi inDiyana vyU poinTa, bAi muslima vyU poinTa, naoNTa bAi phektt|' paramAtmA ne duniyA banAI hI nahIM hai| yaha duniyA iTaselpha banI hai aura iTaselpha paz2ala ho gayA hai yaha aura yaha vijJAna se paz2ala huA hai| ye chaha tatva haiM, inameM se do tatvoM ke sAtha meM rahane se, unameM se vizeSabhAva utpanna hotA hai| do tatvoM ke sAtha meM rahane ke kAraNa khuda, khuda ke guNadharmoM ko chor3atA nahIM hai aura vizeSa guNadharma utpanna ho jAte haiN| ise logoM ne vyatireka guNa kahA hai| to ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, ye AtmA ke guNa nahIM haiM, usI taraha ye anAtmA ke bhI guNa nahIM hai| ye vyatireka guNa haiN| yAnI ki ye vizeSa guNa utpanna hue haiM, aura usase yaha jagat utpanna ho gayA hai, basa, aura koI bhI banAnevAlA nahIM hai isa duniyA kA! __ye loga to aisA bhI kahate haiM ki bhagavAna kI icchA huI, isa duniyA kI racanA karane kI! lekina jise icchA hotI hai na, use bhikhArI kahate haiN| bhagavAna kisI bhI prakAra kI icchAvAle nahIM haiN| jahA~ para paritRpti hai, paramAnaMda hai, vahA~ para icchA kahA~ se hogI? yAnI bhagavAna ko icchA utpanna hI nahIM hotI, lekina yaha to logoM ne ghusA diyA hai ki bhagavAna ko icchA huI aura yaha duniyA racI, aisA-vaisA kucha hai nhiiN| yaha to pUrA vijJAna hai| aura vijJAna se utpanna huA hai| yaha pUrA jagat vijJAna hI hai| yaha racanA, khuda hI vijJAna praznakartA : isa jagat kI utpatti kriyAzakti se nahIM, icchAzakti se hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, icchAzakti bhI nahIM hai| icchAvAlA to bhikhArI

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AptavANI-8 kahalAtA hai| bhagavAna ko yadi icchA hotI na, to bhagavAna ko bhikhArI khte| __ praznakartA : jo koI pUrNabrahma hai, sirpha usakI icchAzakti se hii| usane khuda ne kucha bhI nahIM kiyA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, icchAzakti bhI nahIM hai| icchAzakti hotI to bhikhArI khlaataa| nirIcchaka hai bhagavAna to| sirpha vijJAna se hI udbhava huA hai yh| praznakartA : usa vizeSabhAva ko hI icchAzakti kahA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vizeSabhAva aura icchAzakti meM bahuta farka hai| vizeSabhAva yAnI do cIz2oM ke eka sAtha rakhane se, jaise sUrya aura samudra do Amane-sAmane A jAe~, taba bhApa banatI hai| sUrya kI aisI icchA nahIM hai, samudra kI bhI icchA nahIM hai, yAnI isI taraha se vyatireka guNa utpanna hokara, usameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vyatireka guNa utpanna ho ge| inheM vizeSaguNa kahA jAtA hai aura usase yaha jagat utpanna huA hai| rUpI tatvoM ke rUpa dikheM jaga meM ye saba chaha paramAnenTa vastue~ haiN| ye jo pA~ca tatva haiM-pRthvI, teja, vAyu, pAnI, aakaash| inameM se sirpha AkAza tatva akelA hI paramAnenTa hai, bAkI ke cAra tatva to vinAzI tatva haiN| jo pRthvI, teja, vAyu, pAnI ye vinAzI cIjeM haiM, ve cenja ho jAte haiN| AkAza vinAzI nahIM haiN| praznakartA : ina sabakI utpatti AkAza meM se hI huI hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| AkAza meM se koI utpatti huI nahIM hai isa varlDa meN| isameM jo paramANu tatva (jar3a tatva) hai, jinheM aNu kahate haiM usameM se, una paramANuoM meM se yaha saba utpanna huA hai| sirpha paramANu (jar3a) hI rUpI tatva haiN| usI rUpI meM se yaha saba utpanna huA hai| yAnI ki paramANu niraMtara pUre jagat meM hote hI haiM, aura yadi kisI

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64 AptavANI -8 jagaha para adhika ikaTThe ho jAe~, taba aNu kahalAte haiM / to ina paramANuoM ko to dekhA nahIM jA sakatA, kisI bhI prakAra se ! kevaLa jJAnI hI ise dekha sakate haiM, aura koI nahIM dekha sakatA ! aisA hai na, paramANu rUpI haiM aura AkAza arUpI hai| aura ye jo cAra tatva haiM na, pRthvI - teja - vAyu - jala, ye saba rUpI haiM (jar3a tatva kI avasthAe~ haiN)| yAnI rUpa meM se rUpa utpanna hue haiN| jaba dekhoge, taba aise kA aisA hI ... praznakartA : sAkAra jagat nirAkAra meM se bana sakatA hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : nirAkAra meM se sAkAra jagat banA hI nahIM hai / sAkAra vastu alaga hI haiN| isa sAkAra zabda kA upayoga Apa jisa taraha se karate ho, sAkAra vaisA nahIM hai| ye to saba paryAya haiM / aura paryAya sabhI vinAzI haiM, utpatti hotI hai aura vinAza hotA hai / phira vApasa utpanna hote haiM aura vinAza hotA hai| aura zAzvata cIjeM zAzvata hI rahatI haiM / koI zAzvata cIz2a utpanna nahIM hotI, aura usakA vinAza bhI nahIM hotaa| yAnI zAzvata cIz2eM zAzvata rahatI haiM aura unameM se utpanna honevAle paryAyoM kA to vinAza hotA rahatA hai, utpanna hote rahate haiM aura vinAza hotA rahatA hai| jo janma letA hai, vaha maratA hai| usase AtmA ko koI lenA-denA nahIM hai / isa prakAra yaha jagat alaga hI taraha se calatA hai, isalie ghabarAne jaisA nahIM hai ki yaha duniyA eka dina TUTa pdd'egii| aisA-vaisA koI kAraNa nahIM hai| ekz2ekTa aise kA aisA hI rhegaa| sUrya, caMdra, tAre jaba bhI dekhoge, jaba bhI janma loge taba aise ke aise hI dikheMge ! praznakartA : kucha loga 'yaha bhagavAna kI icchA thI' aisA arthaghaTana karate haiN| lekina vAstava meM to aisA hai ki khuda advaitabhAva meM the isalie ekAMtika lagatA thA, ata: saMkalpa karake dvaitabhAva meM Ae aura usase sRSTi kA sarjana ho gayA / dAdAzrI : yadi saMkalpa kare to vaha bhagavAna hI nahIM hai|

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AptavANI-8 gyaa| 65 praznakartA : nahIM, saMkalpa nahIM / lekina vaha pUrA dvaitabhAva prakaTa ho dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhagavAna meM dvaitabhAva nahIM hotA aura bhagavAna meM advaitabhAva bhI nahIM hotA / dvaita aura advaita, vaha to dvaMdva hai aura bhagavAna dvaMdvAtIta haiN| praznakartA : lekina yaha dvaMdva hai, tabhI sRSTi kA sarjana hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha dvaMdva hI sRSTi hai| sRSTi kA matalaba hI dvaMdva aura dvaMdvAtIta ho gayA to kAma pUrA ho gyaa| anAdisAMta se sAdianaMta kI ora aisA hai na 'isa jagat kI Adi' jaisI cIz2a hai nahIM aura aMta jaisI bhI cIz2a nahIM hai| loga buddhi se 'isakI Adi kaba?' aisA pUchate rahate haiN| kyoMki khuda kI Adi huI hai aisA mAnatA hai, isalie isa jagat kI bhI Adi honI cAhie, aisA pUchatA hai I 'isa jagat kI Adi' jaisA zabda hai nahIM aura aMta jaisA bhI zabda nahIM hai| yaha saMsArapravAha anAdi se hai, lekina aMtavAlA hai / taba koI pUche, 'kisa apekSA se aMtavAlA hai?' taba kaheMge, "isa saMsArapravAha meM jIva bhrAMti meM bahate rahate haiM, lekina use yadi 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ to usakI bhrAMti kA vahA~ para aMta A jAtA hai|" yAnI ki anAdi se jo bhrAMti calI AI hai, usakA aMta A jAtA hai aura samyaktva kA udaya hotA hai| sa- -Adi, kA matalaba sAdi hotA hai, 'vaha samyaktva kaba taka rahegA?' taba kahate haiM, jaba taka use kevaLajJAna nahIM ho jAe taba taka usakA aMta nahIM hogA / yaha sAdi sAMta kahalAtA hai, sa-Adi aura sa- aMta ! aura vahA~ para mokSa meM phira se sa-Adi huI, aura anaMtakAla taka rahegA / isalie use sAdianaMta kahA hai| yAnI pahale anAdi-sAMtavAlA bhAga, phira sAdi-sAMtavAlA bhAga, phira sAdi-anaMtavAlA bhAga ! arthAt isa jagat meM Adi jaisI koI vastu hai hI nahIM, aMta jaisI

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66 AptavANI-8 bhI vastu hai hI nhiiN| yAnI usakI kalpanAe~ karane kA aMta hI nahIM AegA, aisA hai!! jagat-svarUpa, avasthAoM kA rUpAMtara praznakartA : phira bhI jagat kI utpatti, sthiti aura laya, isameM naimittika kAraNa kyA hoMge? dAdAzrI : lekina utpatti Apa kise kahate ho? praznakartA : yoM to hama saba jAnate haiM ki yaha jo pudgala kA rUpAMtara hai, usIse yaha jagat hai| lekina jaba yaha jagat utpanna huA thA, vaha jo utpatti hai, bAda meM jo sthiti rahatI hai aura phira usakA laya hotA hai, usameM naimittika kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : lekina Apane kahA~ jagat ko utpanna hote hue dekhA hai? praznakartA : dekhA nahIM hai, phira bhI rUpAMtara hotA rahatA hai na! dAdAzrI : rUpAMtara kA artha hI yaha hai ki utpanna honA, sthira honA aura laya honA, usIkA nAma rUpAMtara! yAnI yaha jagat vastu ke rUpa meM utpanna hI nahIM hotA aura laya bhI nahIM hotA aura kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| mAtra vastuoM (chaH tatvoM) kI avasthA kA hI rUpAMtara hai! praznakartA : usameM AtmA kI zakti naimittika kAraNa hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI lenA-denA nahIM hai| isase AtmA ko kyA lenAdenA? ye davAIvAle nahIM likhate haiM ki bhAI, yaha davAI 1977 meM ekadama 'sIla' kI huI hai, phira bhI 1979 meM pheMka denaa| kisalie kahA? praznakartA : usakA tatva khatma ho jAtA hai islie| dAdAzrI : usameM AtmA kI kyA z2arUrata par3I? aisA hai yaha sb| kAla hai, vaha hara eka vastu ko khA jAtA hai| kAla hara eka vastu ko purAnI kara detA hai aura phira hara eka ko naI bhI karatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 67 rUpAMtara meM sabakucha A gyaa| rUpAMtara kA matalaba kyA? ki utpanna honA aura thor3I dera TikanA aura nAza ho jaanaa| praznakartA : eka cIz2a kA abhI taka qhayAla nahIM aayaa| jagat kI utpatti ko anAdi kAla se kahA hai, parantu utpatti kA koI kAraNa to honA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : usakA mUla kAraNa yaha paz2ala hai| praznakartA : isa paz2ala ko solva karane ke lie koI zakti hogI na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, isameM kisI zakti kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yaha to, agara vijJAna ko jAna leM to paz2ala 'solva' ho jaaegii| yaha jagat chaha tatvoM se banA huA hai| tatva arthAt avinAzI aura ve tatva khuda ke svabhAva meM hI rahate haiN| parantu tatva Amane-sAmane samasaraNa hote haiM, isalie ye saba taraha-taraha ke dikhAva dikhate haiM! praznakartA : ye chaha tatva kauna-kauna se haiM? dAdAzrI : eka cetana tatva haiM, dUsarA jar3a aura rUpI tatva haiN| cetana arUpI haiN| tIsarA yaha jar3a aura cetana ko gati karavAnevAlA tatva hai, usakA nAma gatisahAyaka tatva hai| aura yadi akelA gatisahAyaka tatva hotA to sabhIkucha gati hI karatA rhtaa| isalie phira jar3a aura cetana ko sthira karane ke lie sthitisahAyaka tatva hai| ye cAra tatva hue aura pA~cavA AkAza aura chaThThA kAla tatva! ina chaha tatvoM se jagat utpanna huA hai| ye chaha ke chaha tatva zAzvata haiN| kudarata kI agamya plAniMga yaha jagat svabhAva se cala rahA hai| hara eka vastu apane svabhAva meM hI hai aura svabhAva se bAhara kucha bhI nahIM gayA hai| sirpha yaha jo vyavahAra hai, yaha pUrA hI samasaraNa mArga hai, aura isa samasaraNa mArga meM ye jIva Ae

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AptavANI-8 hue haiN| isake tIna bhAga kie haiN| eka yaha avyavahAra - rAzi, dUsarI vyavahArarAzi aura tIsarA siddhakSetra ! 68 avyavahAra rAzi ke jIva anaMta haiM aura jo vyavahAra meM Ae haiM, ve jIva bhI anaMta haiM, lekina vyavahAra meM ina manuSyoM ko ginanA ho to gine jA sakate haiM, aisA hai| aura jo vyavahAra meM se mukta ho gae haiM, siddhagativAle haiM, ve bhI anaMta jIva haiM ! avyavahAra rAzi ke jIva yahA~ para vyavahAra meM Ate haiN| aisA mAno na, pacAsa haz2Ara jIva mokSa meM gae to dUsare pacAsa haz2Ara avyavahAra rAzi meM se Akara vyavahAra rAzi meM praveza karate haiM, jisase yaha vyavahAra vaise kA vaisA hI rahatA hai / vyavahAra kise kahate haiM? ki jo jIva samasaraNa mArga meM se hote hue Ae haiM aura jinake nAma par3a cuke haiM, yAnI jinakA nAmarUpa utpanna ho jAe, tabhI se aisA kahA jAegA ki ye vyavahAra meM A gae ki 'bhAI, yaha to pyAz2a hai, yaha to gulAba hai, yaha cAvala kA dAnA, yaha kAI hai / ' TheTha mokSa meM jAne taka avasthAe~ niraMtara badalatI hI rahatI haiM aura DevalapamenTa calatA hI rahatA hai / ekendriya meM se dhIre-dhIre, phira Age usakA DevalapamenTa hote-hote TheTha paMcendriya taka kA DevalapamenTa hotA hai| paMcendriya meM Ane ke bAda phira phaoNrina kA manuSya banatA hai / aura vApasa manuSya meM Devalapa hote-hote-hote-hote hindustAna meM AtA hai| hindustAna meM janme sabhI jIva adhyAtma meM bahuta hI ucca kakSA ke DevalapamenTavAle haiM, aura ve hI sabhI mokSa ke adhikArI haiN| phaoNrinavAle abhI taka 'Devalapa' ho rahe haiM ! jo phula Devalapa ho jAtA hai, taba vaha yahA~ se mokSa meM jAtA hai! vyavahAra meM se jitane jIva vahA~ mokSa meM jAte haiM, siddhakSetra meM jAte haiM, utane jIva avyavahAra meM se vyavahAra meM Ate haiM, yAnI ki vyavahAra kise kahate haiM ki vyavahAra meM jitane jIva haiM, unameM se eka bhI jIva kabhI bhI kama nahIM hotA aura na hI bar3hatA hai, usIkA nAma vyavahAra! vyavahAra meM eka bhI jIva kama-z2yAdA ho jAe na, to pUrI vyavasthA hI TUTa jAe !

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AptavANI-8 69 praznakartA : yA to eka jIva kama ho jAe, yA phira eka jIva bar3ha jAe, to kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : kudarata kA pUrA plAniMga hI TUTa jAegA! yaha sUrya Aja g2airahAz2ira ho gayA ho to kala caMdra g2airahAz2ira ho jAegA, yA phira kitane hI tAre bhI nahIM hoMge, phira kisI dina koI graha nahIM hogaa| kyoMki kaheMge, 've to mokSa meM gae', to yahA~ para ghora a~dherA chA jAegA! yAnI eka jIva bhI kama-z2yAdA ho jAe to pUrA plAniMga hI TUTa jAegA, lekina yaha to pUrA Diz2Aina, sabakucha ekz2ekTa rahanevAlA hai / sUrya-caMdra-tAre abhI to araboM varSa bAda bhI aise ke aise hI dikheNge| vahI kA vahI zani graha aura vahI kA vahI zukra graha, lekina aMdara se jIva badalate rahate haiN| sirpha paikiMga vahI kI vahI rahatI hai, biMba vahI rahate haiM, aura aMdaravAlA jIva cyavita hokara dUsarI jagaha para jAtA hai / sUryanArAyaNa kA bhI cyavana hotA hai aura dUsare jIvoM kA bhI cyavana hotA hai| lekina ve jaba cyavana hokara jAte haiM, usI ghar3I dUsarA jIva vahA~ para unakI jagaha para A jAtA hai| isIkA nAma 'vyavasthita' ! yaha kaisI suMdara vyavasthA hai !! tIna bajakara tIna minaTa para vaha jIva vahA~ para A jAtA hai, usI ghar3I pahalevAle jIva kA nikalanA hotA hai| hA~, nahIM to hameM patA cala jAegA ki aisA 'a~dherA' kyoM ho gayA? lekina aisA kucha hotA nahIM hai| yAnI eka bhI jIva kama - z2yAdA nahIM hotA aura sabhI jIva apanI-apanI sarvisa meM hI raheMge ! jitane jIva yahA~ se mokSa meM jAte haiM, utane hI jIva avyavahAra rAzi meM se vyavahAra meM A jAte haiN| to usase vyavahAra meM kamI yA bar3hotarI nahIM hotI, vyavahAra utanA aura vaisA hI rahatA hai / isalie kisIko ciMtA nahIM karanI cAhie ki zAyada kabhI isa taraha ke phala khatma ho jAe~ge to kyA kareMge? ye kucha taraha ke phala vagairaha khatma ho jAte haiM to dUsarI taraha ke utpanna ho jAte haiM, lekina yaha vyavahAra to TheTha taka rahegA hI / praznakartA : aisA kahate haiM ki AtmA nigoda meM se Ate haiN| pahale sabhI AtmA nigoda meM hote haiM, to nigoda kA matalaba kyA hai?

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70 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : nigoda arthAt eka deha meM kitane hI sAre jIva hote haiN| jaise eka AlU meM bahuta sAre jIva hote haiM na? usI taraha nigoda meM bahuta sAre jIva hote haiN| una jIvoM ko nAma nahIM diyA gayA hotA hai| isa AlU ko to nAma diyA huA hai| praznakartA : to zurUAta, nAma dete haiM vahA~ se hotI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| zurUAta to usase bhI pahale se hai| jo jIva abhI taka vyavahAra meM nahIM Ae haiM, unheM avyavahAra rAzi kahate haiN| praznakartA : nigodavAlA jo AtmA hotA hai, usakA pradeza kahA~ hai? dAdAzrI : yahI bhUmi! AkAza meM saba jagaha par3A huA hai| pUrA lokAkAza nigoda se bharA huA hai| praznakartA : avyavahAra rAzi meM bhI jIvoM kI utpatti to hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vahA~ utpatti nahIM hotii| vahA~ to anaMta jIva haiN| yAnI anaMta meM se cAhe kitanA bhI kama ho, phira bhI usakA anaMtapanA jAtA nahIM hai| yaha buddhi se nApane jaisA nahIM hai, vahA~ buddhi pahu~ca hI nahIM sktii| anaMta meM se kama hotA hI nhiiN| anaMta meM se cAhe kitanA bhI nikAla lo, phira bhI anaMta hI rahatA hai, usIko anaMta kahate haiN| yAnI vahA~ para koI kamI ho jAegI, aisA nahIM hai| aura vahA~ siddhagati meM bhI anaMta haiM, ki vahA~ para bhale hI kitane hI bar3ha jAe~, phira bhI anaMta ke anaMta hI rahate haiN| brahmAMDa meM sirpha manuSya hI saMkhyAta haiM, anya sArI AbAdI asaMkhyAta hai| saMkhyAta arthAt kama-jyAdA honevAlI, ghaTatI-bar3hatI hai, aura isa ghaTanebaDhane ke bhI niyama haiM vaaps| yaha jo kama-z2yAdA hotA hai na, to vaha isakI 'normeliTI' hai| kaI bAra jaba bar3ha jAtA hai, taba itanI hada taka AbAdI bar3hatI hai aura vApasa ghaTatI hai taba itanI hada taka AbAdI ghaTatI hai, aisI 'normeliTI' hai| aba jaba kama hone kI zurUAta hogI na, to pahale anaMta bhAga kama

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AptavANI-8 hogA, phira asaMkhyAta bhAga kama hogA, phira saMkhyAta bhAga kama hogA, phira saMkhyAta guNa kama ho jAe~ge / phira asaMkhyAta guNa kama ho jAe~ge aura phira anaMta guNa kama ho jAe~ge, aura phira vApasa vardhamAna hoNge| yAnI kama hone ke bAda meM phira se vardhamAna hoMge aura vardhamAna hone ke bAda hayamAna hoMge / praznakartA saMkhyAta aura asaMkhyAta kA matalaba kyA hai? : 71 I dAdAzrI : saMkhyAta arthAt jo ginA jA sake, aisA ho| manuSya kI AbAdI saMkhyAta hai aura tiryaMca kI AbAdI asaMkhyAta hai / asaMkhyAta arthAt jo gine nahIM jA sakeM, saMkhyAe~ bhI pUrI nahIM pdd'eN| ye araba se Age kI saMkhyAe~ haiM na, ve saba bhI bola deM, phira bhI vaha pUrA nahIM hogA, use asaMkhyAta kahA hai, saMkhyA pUrI ho jAe taba bhI vaha pUrA nahIM hogA / sirpha ye manuSya hI saMkhyAta haiM, cAra araba yA pA~ca araba ginakara kaha sakate haiN| bAkI tiryaMca asaMkhyAta haiM, devI-devatA bhI asaMkhyAta haiM / narkagati ke jIva asaMkhyAta haiM aura manuSya ke alAvA vyavahAra ke bAkI sabhI jIva asaMkhyAta haiN| avyavahAra rAzi ke jIva anaMta haiM aura vahA~ para siddhagati meM bhI anaMta siddha haiN| anaMta arthAt asaMkhyAta se bhI Age, pAra hI nahIM AtA, aMta hI nahIM AtA, isalie use ginane kA prayatna hI mata krnaa| saMkhyAta ko ginane kA prayatna kara sakate haiM, aura asaMkhyAta kI saMkhyA hI nahIM hai to kyA ho sakatA hai? karor3a, dasa karor3a araba, aise Age kitanA hI bolate raheM, phira bhI hisAba pUrA nahIM hogA, isalie use asaMkhyAta meM rakha diyA hai, ki yaha saMkhyA meM nahIM samA sakatA ! yaha varlDa iTaselpha paz2ala ho gayA hai| isakA kAraNa kyA hai ki ye jIva niraMtara pravAha meM hI bahate rahate haiM, anAdi pravAha ke rUpa meM ye jIva bahate hI rahate haiM / jaise narmadAjI nadI aise baha rahI hotI haiM na, usI taraha ye jIva niraMtara bahate hI rahate haiM / niraMtara dravya-kSetra - kAla-bhAva badalate hI rahate haiM! kSetra bhI badalatA rahatA hai !! yAnI ki pichale janma meM yadi dasaveM mIla para hoMge to abhI isa janma meM gyArahaveM mIla para Ate haiN| aba, dasaveM mIla para acche-acche bAg2a, acche loga, ye saba dekhA hotA hai aura phira gyArahaveM mIla para registAna AtA hai, taba mana meM aisA hotA hai ki

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AptavANI-8 aise meM to rahA jAtA hogA? dasaveM mIla kA dekhA huA saba dikhatA hai, taba phira ina donoM meM matabheda par3atA rahatA hai| 'yaha kharAba hai, yaha kharAba hai' aisA hotA rahatA hai / Aja kA yaha jJAna use parezAna karatA hai aMdara / usI ke kAraNa yaha kalaha utpanna huI hai na, sArI / jaba taka 'AtmajJAna' nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka yaha kalaha hamezA ke lie calatI hI rhegii| 72 yAnI yaha jagata to aise kA aisA hI rahegA, hamezA ke lie aisA hI rhegaa| usameM se niyama se mokSa meM jAte raheMge ! ... aMta meM to jJAnI kI saMjJA se hI hala praznakartA : jo jIva vyavahAra rAzi meM AyA, vaha phira mokSa meM jAegA hI? to usakA samaya bhI taya hI hogA na ki isa samaya para janma legA aura phira mokSa meM jAegA? mokSa meM jAne kI samaya maryAdA taya hogI? dAdAzrI : jaba se jIva vyavahAra rAzi meM AtA hai na, tabhI se mokSa meM jAne kI taiyArI ho gaI / praznakartA : lekina usakA samaya taya hogA na? dAdAzrI : samaya taya z2arUra hai, lekina manuSya meM Ane ke bAda yadi ahaMkAra nahIM kare to samaya taya hai / ahaMkAra kare to vahA~ se vApasa giratA hai, phira ThikAnA nahIM / ahaMkAra meM ulTA calA, to phira ThikAnA nahIM hai, kitane hI janmoM taka bhaTakatA hai phira to ! isalie yadi ahaMkAra nahIM kare to samaya nizcita hai| ina jAnavaroM kI taraha rahe na, jisa taraha jAnavara rahate haiM usa taraha se sabake sAtha rahe na, mAna-tAna, ahaMkAra kA jhaMjhaTa nahIM, lobha kA jhaMjhaTa nahIM, to sIdhe mokSa meM calA jaaegaa| lekina ye loga jAnavara kI taraha rahate nahIM haiM na ! praznakartA : manuSya meM Ane ke bAda jAnavara kI taraha kisa taraha se raha pAe~ge? dAdAzrI : merA kahanA yaha hai ki ye jAnavara jisa taraha se rahate haiM na, jIva usa taraha se jIe to mokSa meM calA jaae| lekina ina dUsare logoM

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AptavANI-8 73 kA dekhakara, vaha bhI vaisA hI bana jAtA hai| isane aisA kiyA aura maiM aisA hU~' phira aise karate-karate saba bigar3a jAtA hai ! phira yadi use acchA satsaMga mila jAe aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ taba chuTakArA hotA hai, nahIM to chuTakArA nahIM ho paataa| praznakartA : 'jJAnIpuruSa' kisI nizcita samaya para hI mileMge, aisA nizcita hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha nizcita nahIM hai| vaha to jise jo saMyoga milA! vaha to kisIko aisA dhakkA lagA aura vaha ahaMkArI banA! ahaMkArI banA isakA matalaba nirAzrita huaa| ina manuSyoM ke alAvA dUsare sabhI jIva bhagavAna ke Azrita haiM, lekina sirpha ye manuSya hI nirAzrita haiM! usakA aisA saba ahaMkAra hai, ki 'maiM yaha kara lU~ aura maiM vaha kara lU~'! phira taraha-taraha kI icchAoM ke Dhera haiM ki 'yaha kara lenA hai na'! aba ye manuSya nirAzrita haiM, aura usameM 'maiM kara lU~' kahatA hai| taba bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'ThIka hai, tU kara le!' taba phira bhagavAna alaga ho gae!! ___ Apa kyA kahate ho DaoNkTarasAhaba? Apa kahate ho ki 'yaha ilAja maiM kara rahA hU~, maiMne ise aise ThIka kara diyA aura vaisA kiyA' to bhagavAna alaga ho jAe~ge na? yAnI yaha sArA lokasaMjJA kA hI jhaMjhaTa hai| logoM ne jaisA dekhA vaisA sIkhe, aura jaisA loga sIkhe, vaisA hamane siikhaa| isa lokasaMjJA se kabhI bhI mokSa meM nahIM jAyA jA sktaa| lokasaMjJA, Apako samajha meM AtI hai? logoM ne jisameM sukha mAnA hai, logoM kI isa saMjJA se jo calegA, vaha kabhI bhI mokSa meM nahIM jA paaegaa| 'jJAnI' kI saMjJA se calegA to hala AegA! praznakartA : lekina janma liyA taba se lokasaMjJA ke alAvA aura kucha milatA hI nhiiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina kyA ho phira? logoM ke bIca rahatA hai, to aisA hI hogA na!

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AptavANI-8 bAkI, yadi sAhajika ho na, to sIdhe-sIdhe mokSa meM hI calA jaaegaa| dekho, sabhI jAnavara sAhajika haiM / krodha- - mAna-mAyA - lobha kucha bhI nahIM hai ! vaha Apako dhakkA mAre to bhI use krodha nahIM hai, vaha sAhajika hai / aura vaha khAne ke lie utAvale hoM, taba bhI use lobha nahIM hai, sAhajika hai| mokSaprApti nizcita kAla anizcita 74 praznakartA : to hama kyA samajheM ki hara eka AtmA kA mokSa meM jAne kA kAla nizcita hotA hai yA phira kisI AtmA kA nizcita nahIM bhI hotA ? dAdAzrI : pratyeka AtmA mokSa meM jAegA, yaha bAta pakkI hai, lekina usakA mokSa meM jAne kA kAla nizcita nahIM hotA / manuSya janma meM vaha kyA karatA hai, yaha isa para AdhArita hai / manuSya janma meM vaha ulajhaneM khar3I karatA hai yA ulajhaneM kama karatA hai yA ulajhaneM baMda karatA hai, usa para AdhArita hai / praznakartA : hara eka AtmA ko manuSya janma eka hI sarIkhe TAima para milatA hai? nizcita samaya para hI milatA hai? dAdAzrI : manuSya janma to sabako milanA hI cAhie / praznakartA: lekina vaha nizcita samaya para milatA hai ? : T dAdAzrI : hA~, nizcita samaya para milatA hai, manuSya kA janma, jo usakI zurUAta hai, vaha nizcita samaya para milatI hai| aura phira manuSya kA janma mila gayA yAnI bhaTakane ke lie vaha svataMtra ho gayA ! kyoMki phira ulajhaneM paidA karanA usake hAtha meM A gayA, isalie phira isake bAda kA ThikAnA nahIM hai / lekina taba taka kA rAstA to hai hI aura vaha kliyara kaTa hai| yAnI hara eka jIva kA manuSya ke rUpa meM prathama bAra janma honA, vaha bilkula regyulara hai, usake TAima para ho hI jAtA hai / lekina bAda meM phira ulajhana meM par3atA hai ! aura ulajhatA hai to itanA adhika ulajhatA hai ki bAta na pUcho, usameM to kitane sAre kAla nikala jAte haiM! kyoMki yahA~ para manuSya meM usameM kartApana utpanna hotA hai aura

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AptavANI-8 75 kartApana meM to sabhI taraha kI chUTa hotI hai, kisI bhI gati meM jAne kii| narkagati meM jAne kA kArya kara sakatA hai, jAnavaragati meM jAne kA kArya kara sakatA hai, manuSya meM sajjanatA aura 'supara hyamana' ke kArya bhI kara sakatA hai, manuSya meM vApasa A sake, aisA kArya bhI kara sakatA hai aura devagati meM jAne kA kArya bhI kara sakatA hai! aura yadi kabhI 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ yA vItarAga mila jAe~ to saMsArakArya na karate hue vItarAga mArga para cale, AtmakArya para jAe to mukti meM jaaegaa| yAnI makti bhI isa manuSya janma meM hI milatI hai| anya kahIM se bhI, devagati se bhI mukti meM nahIM jA skte| dUsarI gatiyoM meM jIva kartA nahIM hai, jaba ki manuSya gati meM kartA hai| ahaMkAra ko mor3anA, vItarAgoM kI rIta praznakartA : yAnI jaba AtmA pahalI bAra manuSya gati meM AtA hai, usa samaya bilkula alarTa' rahanA caahie| dAdAzrI : lekina 'alarTa' rahane kI sattA usake hAtha meM nahIM hai na! use jo saba saMyoga milate haiM, usI anusAra una saMyogoM meM vApasa ulajhatA hai! aura vaha ulajhana to sabhI ko hotI hI hai !! lekina yadi khuda ke 'ahaMkAra' ko 'khuda' hI jAna jAe, phira bhI ghaTAe nahIM, taba jAnanA ki khuda jAna-bUjhakara ulajha rahA hai| praznakartA : mujhe mana meM vicAra A rahe the ki hara eka AtmA ko eka hI taraha kA 'skopa' nahIM milatA, to phira eka AtmA jaldI mokSa meM jAtA hai aura eka AtmA dera se jAtA hai| phira to vaha 'laka' se ho gayA yA kucha aura hogA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha 'laka' se nahIM hai| vaha jaba manuSya meM janma letA hai, taba janma to use saMyogAnusAra mila jAtA hai| yahA~ pahalI bAra jaba manuSya janma milatA hai, taba vaha janma aisA mila jAtA hai ki use mokSa meM jAte hue nukasAna nahIM kare, aisA hotA hai| lekina vaha 'khuda' ahaMkAra ko kisa tarafa mor3atA hai, usa para saba AdhArita hai|

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AptavANI-8 cora ke vahA~ janma pAyA ho, lekina khuda yadi ahaMkAra ko nahIM mor3e to kucha bhI nhiiN| kyoMki manuSyapana hai, isalie adhikArI huA na ! yAnI ahaMkAra kA kartA huA hai / usameM yadi 'khuda' ' ahaMkAra' ko nahIM mor3e to kucha bhI nahIM hai| janma to kahIM bhI ho sakatA hai, kaise bhI saMyoga mila sakate haiM, lekina ahaMkAra ko kisa tarafa mor3anA hai; jaise ina sTImaroM meM kutubanumA hotA hai na, vaisA hI isameM bhI kutubanumA rakhanA caahie| yAnI ki ahaMkAra ko aisA rakhanA cAhie ki mujhe aba yaha calAnA par3a rahA hai isalie mujhe dhyAna rakhanA hai, z2arA dhIre se, 'isa' dizA meM hI calAnA hai / isa taraha manuSya kA janma huA, taba se use 'khuda' ko hI ' ahaMkAra' ko mor3anA hai| praznakartA : aura vaha AsAna to nahIM hai / dAdAzrI : vaha yadi AsAna hotA, taba to sabhI loga kara lete / vahI kaThina hai, AsAna nahIM hai ! bahuta hI kaThina hai !! kaThina hai isIlie to, itanA jAna lene ke lie hI to itane sAre zAstra likhe haiM ! lekina vahI atyaMta kaThina hai na! 76 kabhI khuda ko pasaMda ho aisI koI bAta AtI hai aura phira se nAsapaMdagIvAlI AtI hai, 'use' pasaMdIdA saMyoga milatA hai aura nApasaMda milatA hai| aba jaba manapasaMda AtA hai, taba unameM vItarAga kyA kahate haiM ki inameM se koI bhI cIz2a pasaMda karane jaisI nahIM hai aura nApasaMda karane jaisI bhI nahIM hai, inase 'tU' alaga raha, kyoMki nApasaMda karane jaisI koI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| phira bhI 'tU' apane Apa ba~dha rahA hai ki yaha vastu acchI hai| aura ise 'acchI hai' kahA isalie dUsare ko 'kharAba hai' aisA bolegA / eka ko acchA kahA isalie dUsare ko kharAba kahegA hI / isalie vItarAga kyA kahate haiM? ye sabhI saMyoga hI haiM / aura yaha to 'hamane vibhAjita kiyA hai ki yaha saMyoga acchA hai aura yaha saMyoga kharAba hai|' vItarAgoM ne ina sabhI saMyogoM ko aisA hI kahA hai ki, 'ye sabhI saMyoga hI haiN| aura ye saMyoga phira viyogI svabhAvavAle haiM, isalie kisI bhI saMyoga ko pasaMdIdA mata banAnA tAki nApasaMda saMyoga ko tujhe dhakkA nahIM mAranA par3e / yadi tU

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AptavANI-8 77 dhakkA mArane jAegA to terA mokSa calA jaaegaa| koI bhI nApasaMda saMyoga mila jAe taba yadi usa ghar3I tU usa saMyoga ko dhakkA mAregA to tU phira se ulajha jaaegaa| isalie usa saMyoga ko dhakkA mArane ke bajAya use samatAbhAva se tU pUrA kr| aura vaha viyogI svabhAva kA hI hai| isalie apane Apa viyoga ho hI jAegA, tujhe koI jhaMjhaTa hI nhiiN| aura phira bhI yadi usa nApasaMda saMyoga ke sAmane tU ulTA rAstA karane jAegA taba bhI kAla tujhe chor3egA nahIM, utane kAla taka tujhe mAra khAnI hI pdd'egii| ataH, yaha saMyoga viyogI svabhAvavAlA hai, usa AdhAra para dhIraja rakhakara tU calane lg|' gajasukumAra ko miTTI kI pagar3I bA~dha dI thI na, unake sasurajI ne? aura usameM aMgAre rkhe| usa ghar3I gajasukumAra samajha gae ki yaha saMyoga mujhe milA hai aura usameM, sasura ne mokSa kI pagar3I baMdhavAI hai, aisA saMyoga milA hai| aba yaha unhoMne mAna liyA, bilIfa meM hI mAnA ki yaha mokSa kI pagar3I baMdhavAI hai aura usameM aMgAre rkhe| aba nemInAtha bhagavAna ne gajasukumAra se kahA thA ki, "terA' svarUpa 'yaha' hai aura yaha saMyoga 'terA' svarUpa nahIM hai| saMyogoM kA 'tU' jJAtA hai| sabhI saMyoga jJeya haiN|" ataH ve 'khuda' una saMyogoM meM bhI jJAtA rahe, aura jJAtA rahe isalie mukta ho gae aura mokSa bhI ho gyaa| varnA kalpAMta karake bhI manuSya mara to jAtA hI hai| marane kA samaya huA, aura kalpAMta karake mare, to kalpAMta karane kA phala milegaa| AtmajJAna ke bAda kramabaddhatA praznakartA : jaise ki bAlaka kI zikSA kI zurUAta eka se hotI hai yAnI ki kramapUrvaka hI vaha Age bar3hatA hai, aisA dharma ke bAre meM bhI nahIM kaha sakate? dAdAzrI : ye dharma meM bhI aisA hI hai sb| lekina dharma meM, yahA~ para manuSya meM Ane ke bAda vApasa badala jAtA hai| phira sabakucha Ter3hA-mer3hA ho jAtA hai| yahA~ se, manuSyagati meM se yA to adhogati meM jAtA hai yA Urdhvagati meM jAtA hai|

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78 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : arthAt yahA~ manuSyagati meM Ane ke bAda krama jaisA kucha nahIM rahatA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina AtmajJAna hone ke bAda vApasa krama ho jAtA hai| yAnI AtmajJAna hone ke bAda kramabaddha ho jAtA hai| jaba taka manuSya kA janma hai aura AtmajJAna nahIM hotA, taba taka bhaTakanA hai, usameM krama vagairaha ur3a jAtA hai saaraa| varnA yadi manuSya janma meM bIca meM aisA nahIM ho rahA hotA, taba to bhagavAna aisA hI likha dete ki sabakucha niyati ke adhIna svabhAva se hI UrdhvagAmI! lekina kaba? praznakartA : AtmA kA mUla svabhAva UrdhvagAmI hai| yaha manuSya deha jo hameM milI hai, vaha UrdhvagAmI svabhAva ke hisAba se milI hai, aisA kahate haiN| aba isa manuSyayoni meM jo karma karate haiM, una karmoM ke phala milane para tiryaMcagati meM jAnA par3atA hai| aba tiryaMcagati bhogakara manuSyadeha meM vApasa Ae, to vahA~ usa para kauna-sA niyama lAgU hotA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to aisA hai na, ki yahA~ para karma bA~dhatA hai usase paudgalika bhAra bar3hA aura pudgala kA vaz2ana bar3hA, isalie nicalI gati meM jAtA hai| phira nicalI gati meM usa pudgala ko bhoga lene ke bAda paudgalika bhAra ghaTatA hai aura vApasa manuSya meM A jAtA hai! aura manuSya meM Akara yadi manuSya kA bhAra TUTA aura devadharma kA bhAva utpanna huA to halkA ho jAtA hai, jisase Upara devagati meM jAtA hai| jaisejaise bojha bar3hatA hai vaise-vaise nIce jAtA hai, to nIce sAta pAtAla haiM, sAta loka haiM, vahA~ taka jAtA hai! aura jaba halkA ho jAe to Upara chaha loka haiM, vahA~ taka jAtA hai ! isI prakAra yaha caudaha lokavAlI duniyA pudgala, vaha aMdhakAra hai aura AtmA, vaha prakAza hai| aMdhakAra meM khiMcA to nIce jAtA hai, prakAza meM khiMce to Upara jAtA hai|

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AptavANI-8 79 adhogAmI to ahaMkAra ke AdhAra para praznakartA : lekina AtmA kA to sahaja svabhAva hai na? to phira zreya kI sAdhanA kisalie karanI par3atI hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke lie na to zreya hai, na hI preya hai| AtmA kA svabhAva UrdhvagAmI hai, niraMtara UrdhvagAmI svabhAva meM AtmA hai| AtmA UrdhvagAmI svabhAvI hai, jaba ki pudgala kA svabhAva adhogAmI hai| praznakartA : to UrdhvagAmI kI paribhASA batAie / I dAdAzrI : UrdhvagAmI arthAt svabhAva se hI mokSa meM jAe, aisA hai / 'Apa' yadi koI daqhala nahIM karo to AtmA svabhAva se hI mokSa meM jAeaisA hai, usameM 'Apako kucha karanA par3e, aisA nahIM hai / aura pudgala svabhAva se hI adhogAti meM le jAe aisA hai / jitanA pudgala kA z2ora bar3hA utanA nIce dabatA haiM, jitanA pudgala kA z2ora kama huA utanA U~ce car3hatA haiM, aura jaba vaha pudgala rahita ho jAtA hai, taba mokSa meM jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina AtmA to UrdhvagAmI svabhAva kA hI hai, to phira vApasa nIce adhogati meM kyoM jAtA hai ? dAdAzrI : jitane nukasAnadAyaka vicAra hoM, manuSya ko yA kisI bhI jIva ko nukasAna pahu~cAne kA vicAra kiyA yA kisIko kiMcit mAtra bhI duHkhadAyI ho, aisA vicAra bhI kiyA to vaz2anadAra paramANu cipaka jAte haiM, jisase vaz2anadAra ho jAtA hai, ve phira nIce le jAte haiM / aura duniyA kA bhalA karane kA vicAra Ae~ to halke paramANu cipakate haiM, ve Upara le jAte haiN| praznakartA : lekina aisA kahA jAtA hai na ki AtmA to niraMtara mokSa kI tarafa hI jA rahA hai? dAdAzrI : z2arUra, vaha Age hI bar3ha rahA hai, lekina vaz2anadAra paramANu ikaTThe karatA hai, isalie nIce jAtA hai| khuda kA svabhAva UrdhvagAmI hai aura yaha pudgala use nIce khIMcatA hai, jisase yaha kheMcA - kheMcI calI hai|

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80 AptavANI-8 isalie hama kahate haiM na ki karmoM se mukti prApta kara lo| zuddhAtmA prApta ho jAegA to phira pudgala kA khiMcanA kama ho jaaegaa| varnA taba taka kAla, karma, mAyA sabakucha bAdhaka rhegaa| ataH jaba pudagala ke isa pUre hI silasile kA nikAla (nipaTArA) kara legA, taba phira 'vaha' 'khuda ke svabhAva' meM rahakara mokSa meM calA jaaegaa| __ aba, pudgala kA svabhAva adhogAmI hai| lekina pudgala kA svabhAva kisa prakAra se adhika adhogAmI hotA hai? taba kahe, 'zarIra moTA ho usake AdhAra para nahIM yA zarIra vaz2anadAra ho, usake AdhAra para nahIM, ahaMkAra kitanA bar3A hai aura kitanA laMbA-caur3A hai, usa para AdhArita hai| yoM to zarIra itanA patalA-dubalA hotA hai, lekina ahaMkAra pUrI duniyA jitanA hotA hai aura koI zarIra se ekadama maz2abUta ho, DhAI sau kilo kA lekina agara usakA ahaMkAra nahIM hogA to vaha DUbegA nahIM!' ahaMkAra arthAt vaz2ana ! ahaMkAra kA artha hI vaz2ana !!! yAnI ki yaha jagat apAra hai, lekina niyamabaddha hai| kyoMki AtmA kA svabhAva hI UrdhvagamanavAlA hai, siddhagati kI ora gamanavAlA svabhAva hai| manuSya janma ke bAda vakragati praznakartA : bhautika vijJAna kA utkrAMtivAda, thyori oNpha ivolyuzana aura jagat ke anAdipana kA kisa taraha se mela baiThatA hai? ise samajhAne kI kRpA kreN| dAdAzrI : jagat anAdi anaMta hai| isameM ye jIva utkrAMti prApta karate hI rahate haiN| jIvoM ke tIna vibhAga kie gae haiN| ina tIna vibhAgoM meM se, eka vibhAga meM bilkula bhI utkrAMti hotI hI nahIM hai| ve jIva to sTaoNka meM par3A huA mAla hai| use avyavahAra rAzi kahA jAtA hai| aura sTaoNka meM se aMdara Ate haiM, vyavahAra meM Ate haiM aura vyavahAra jIvoM kI utkrAMti hotI hI rahatI hai| utkrAMti hone para aMta meM jIva mokSa meM jAte haiN| utkrAMti hotehote, sabhI anubhava lete-lete, ve Age jAkara phira mokSa meM jAte haiN|

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AptavANI-8 81 cAra indriyA~ thIM aura kAna sabase aMta meM AtA hai| sabase aMta meM kAna AtA hai| aMtima DevalapamenTa kAna kA hai| phira isase pahale kA DevalapamenTa kAna kI jagaha para chedavAlA hotA hai, nahIM to cAra indriyA~ hotI haiN| cauthI indriya A~kha hotI hai, taba kITa banatA hai| to A~kha khulI ki ujAle para use moha utpanna hotA hai| isalie ujAle ke pIche hI mara jAtA hai| yaha kAna khulA to sunane ke pIche hI mara jAtA hai| pare dina kahA~ se suneM, kahA~ se sunU~, vaha phira reDiyo sunatA hai, gIta sunane jAtA hai! jisakI naI-naI indriya vikasita huI ho, use aisA saba hotA hai| ___ ina cIMTiyoM meM tIsarI naI indriya nikalI kI bhAga-daur3a, bhAga-daur3a karake yahA~ para kucha laTakAyA ho na, to agara patIlI sIliMga se tIna phUTa nIce ho, taba bhI yahA~ z2amIna para se patA cala jAtA hai, nAka kI indriya se, ki yahA~ para ghI hai| aba vaha samajhatI hai ki vahA~ para kisa taraha se pahu~cA jaae| vaha phira aise dIvAra para car3hakara Upara jAtI hai aura phira nIce utaratI hai aura phira ghI cATatI hai| kyoMki yaha nAka kI indriya utpanna huI hai to usake pIche hI pUre dina bhAga-daur3a karatI rahatI hai! bAkI ye loga cauryAsI lAkha yoniyA~ kahate haiM na, ve to, saba milAkara cauryAsI lAkha yoniyA~ jIva jAti kI haiN| bAkI vaise phira se cauryAsI meM ghUmane jAe~ge to phira dikheMge hI nahIM na, kaise dikheMge? lekina aisA nahIM hai| vaha to yahIM para bhaTakate rahanA hai| manuSya meM se jo jAnavara meM jAtA hai, vaha ATha janmoM taka usa tarafa jAtA hai, aura vApasa yahIM para A jAtA hai| praznakartA : lekina utkrAMti ke niyama ke anusAra manuSyapana meM se nicalI gati meM nahIM jA sakate na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, manuSyagati hI sirpha aisI gati hai ki jahA~ para cArja aura DiscArja donoM kriyAe~ ho rahI haiM, jaba ki devagati sirpha DiscArja ke rUpa meM hI hai, tiryaMcagati DiscArja ke rUpa meM hI hai, narkagati DiscArja ke rUpa meM hI hai| yAnI manuSyagati meM se, jo jAnavaragati meM yA devagati meM yA

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AptavANI-8 narkagati meM saba tarafa gaye ho, ve manuSya meM se hI gae haiN| yaha DArvina kI 'thyori' bilkula galata nahIM hai, usakI 'thyori' dasa-paMdraha pratizata taka ThIka hai| lekina asala meM to tIna sau sATha 'DigriyA~' hotI haiM! aura una sabhI kA use pUrA-pUrA jJAna nahIM thaa| use buddhi se milA vaha ThIka hai, 'karekTa' hai| lekina phira vaha pUrA mArga eka mor3a letA hai, usake bAre meM use patA nahIM hai ki manuSya meM Ane ke bAda vApasa gAya-bhaiMsa bhI banatA hai, ye gAyabhaiMsa, vaha DevalapamenTa kI yoni nahIM hai, ve to manuSya meM se jAte haiN| yAnI utkrAMti kA niyama dasa pratizata hI saca hai| bAkI ke nabbe pratizata kA use patA nahIM hai| dasa pratizata meM usane manuSyagati taka kI hI khoja kI hai na! manuSya ke bAda meM jo vakragati hotI hai, use yaha samajha meM nahIM AyA ki manuSya meM se hAthI kisa taraha se banA? bhaiMsA kisa taraha se banA? geMDA kisa taraha se banA? machalI kisa taraha se banI? vhela kisa taraha se banI? vaha use samajha meM nahIM aayaa| bAkI unakA yaha jo utkrAMti kA niyama hai, DArvina kI thyori hai, vaha ThIka hai| lekina vaha Tena pratizata ThIka hai| usase Age to bahuta kucha hai| yaha vhela kisa taraha se banatI hogI? vahA~ para kauna-sA utkrAMti kA niyama AyA? vaha to vakragati hai, manuSya meM se vApasa lauTA hai| yaha geMDA kahA~ se banA? vaha bhI manuSya meM se vApasa gayA huA hai| ye bAgha-siMha kahA~ se vApasa Ae? manuSya meM se vApasa Ae haiN| ye bAgha-siMha aura unake bacce hote haiM, ve jaba bacce hote haiM tabhI se mAMsAhAra karate haiM yA nahIM karate? aura apanI gAya-bhaiMsoM ke bacce? bar3e ho jAe~, phira bhI mAMsAhAra nahIM krte| usakA kyA kAraNa hai? taba kahe, "ye 'vejiTeriyana' aura ye 'naoNna vejitteriyn'|" yAnI aisA inameM bhI pahacAnA jA sakatA hai ki ye manuSya yahA~ para bhI 'vejiTeriyana' the, to ve gAya-bhaiMsa meM Ae haiN| aura jo manuSya 'nona vejiTeriyana' the, ve bAghasiMha meM janme haiN| vaha saba pahacAnA jA sakatA hai| praznakartA : to manuSya meM janma lene ke bAda phira pRthvIkAya, teukAya meM jAte haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : pRthvIkAya yA teukAya meM nahIM jaate| bahuta huA to sthAvara

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AptavANI-8 kAya meM per3a-paudhoM kI yoni meM jA sakate haiN| bahuta huA to manuSya meM se ATha janmoM taka tiryaMca meM jAtA hai / 83 yAnI pUrI devagati, pUrI narkagati aura tiryaMcagati kA kucha hI bhAga, ve saba manuSya meM se gae hue haiN| manuSya cArja aura DiscArja donoM karatA hai aura cArja - DiscArja se pare bhI raha sakatA hai| yAnI itanI manuSya meM zakti hai ki mokSa meM jA sakatA hai| T jisakI sajjanatA nahIM TUTatI, usakA manuSyapana nahIM jaataa| yadi use khuda ko pAzavatA ke vicAra Ate rahate hoM, to use tiryaMca meM le jAte haiN| bhogane kI hada hotI hai / terI mAlikI kA ho, vahI bhoganA aura mAlikI kA nahIM ho, usakA vicAra bhI mata karanA / yaha to aNahakka kA bhogatA hai, vahI tiryaMcagati meM le jAtA hai yAnI ki apane vicAra hI ina gatiyoM meM le jAte haiM I kucha sthAvara, phala denevAle per3a haiM, jisa manuSya ne prapaMca aura aisA saba kiyA hotA hai vaha phira nAriyala, Ama, rAyaNa aise per3oM meM jAtA hai aura logoM ko pUrI z2indagI khuda ke phala detA hai, taba jAkara logoM ke RNa meM se mukta hotA hai, itane madhura Ama hote haiM, phira bhI khuda Ama nahIM khAtA hai na? isa taraha logoM ko Ama dekara karmamukta hotA hai / yAnI yaha saba 'sAinTiphika' hai| isameM kisIkA cale, aisA nahIM hai| .... taba mokSa meM jAegA I praznakartA : 'thyori oNpha ivolyuzana' kI bAta meM, utkrAMtivAda meM jIva ekendriya, do indriya aise 'Devalapa' hote-hote manuSyayoni meM AtA hai / aura manuSyayoni meM se vApasa phira pazuyoni meM jAtA hai| to isa 'ivolyuzana' kI 'thyori' meM z2arA virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai / ise z2arA spaSTa kIjie / dAdAzrI : nhiiN| isameM virodhAbhAsa jaisA nahIM hai| 'ivolyuzana' kI 'thyori' pUrI ThIka hai| sirpha manuSya meM pahu~cane taka hI 'ivolyuzana' kI thyori 'karekTa' hai, phira usase Age ve loga jAnate hI nhiiN|

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : manuSya meM se pazu meM vApasa jAtA hai kyA, aisA prazna hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai, pahale DArvina kI thyora se aise utkrAMtivAda ke anusAra 'Devalapa'' hote-hote manuSya taka pahu~catA hai, aura manuSya meM AyA, taba phira 'igoiz2ama' sAtha meM hone se kartA banatA hai| karma kA kartA banatA hai, isalie phira karma ke anusAra use bhogane jAnA par3atA hai| agara DebiTa kare taba jAnavara meM jAnA par3atA hai yA phira narkagati meM jAnA par3atA hai aura kreDiTa kare taba devagati meM jAnA par3atA hai yA phira manuSya meM rAjasI jIvana milatA hai| yAnI manuSya meM Ane ke bAda meM kreDiTa aura DebiTa para AdhArita hai| I 84 yahA~ para kreDiTa-DebiTa karanevAle loga haiM yA nahIM? abhI loga DebiTa z2yAdA karate haiM na? unheM patA hI nahIM hai ki kauna-se gA~va jAe~ge, lekina DebiTa kara dete haiM na? isalie phira do pairoM kI bajAya cAra paira aura pUMcha milatI hai! lekina phira vApasa yahA~ para manuSya meM A jAtA hai, phira adhika nIce nahIM utaratA / eka bAra manuSyayoni meM Ane ke bAda sau sAla-do sau sAla (taka anya yoni) bhogakara phira vApasa yahA~ manuSya yoni meM hI A jAtA hai / phira yaha sthAna, manuSyapana chor3atA nahIM hai / yahA~ se phira mokSa meM jAne taka usakA manuSyapana jAtA nahIM hai / agara DebiTa ho to sau-do sau sAla jAnavara meM jAkara AtA hai, lAkhoM varSa narkagati meM jAkara AtA hai yA phira agara kreDiTa ho to lAkhoM varSa devagati meM jAkara AtA hai| lekina vahA~ kA bhugatAna pUrA huA ki vApasa yahIM ke yahIM / yahA~ se jaba mokSa meM jAne kI taiyArI karegA taba mokSa meM jAegA, taba taka isI taraha bhaTakate rahanA hai / I praznakartA : jaba manuSyayoni meM AtA hai taba usakA mana bhI 'Devalapa' ho cukA hotA hai, to jaba vaha vApasa jAnavarayoni meM jAtA hai, taba vApasa mana kA DevalapamenTa kho detA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| lekina usa mana para AvaraNa A jAtA hai / vahA~ jAnavaragati meM usameM mana hotA hai, lekina vaha 'limiTeDa' rahatA hai, phira

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AptavANI-8 85 vahA~ para usakA bhojana bhI vaisA hotA hai, blaDa vagairaha saba jAnavara kA hI hotA hai| lekina usa gati meM sabakucha bhogane ke lie jAnA par3atA hai| aisA nahIM hotA na taba to loga naukarI karane jAte hI nahIM aura corI karake hI khAte ! lekina isakA turanta hI phala mila jAtA hai dUsare janma aba yahA~ para aNahakka kA khA jAte haiM, milAvaTa karake becate haiM, aNahakka kA bhogate haiM, ye sabhI pAzavatA ke vicAra haiM, yaha jAnavara meM jAne kI taiyArI ho rahI hai| hameM samajha jAnA hai ki aise vicAra use jAnavara meM le jAe~ge aura yahA~ para sajjanatA ke vicAra use phira se manuSya meM laaeNge| aura jo khuda ke haqa kI cIz2a ho, use bhI dUsaroM ko de de, aise 'suparahyamana' vicAravAlA ho to vaha devagati meM jaaegaa| praznakartA : pazuyoni meM use acche-bure vicAra Ate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vahA~ para to aise koI bhI vicAra nahIM hote| pazuyoni kA matalaba sirpha bhogane kI yoni| devagati bhI bhogane kI aura narkagati bhI sirpha bhogane ke lie hii| aura sirpha manuSya janma meM hI karma bA~dhanA aura karma bhoganA donoM sAtha meM hotA hai| praznakartA : kreDiTa aura DebiTa donoM baMda ho jAe~ to? dAdAzrI : kreDiTa aura DebiTa, puNya aura pApa donoM baMda ho jAe~ to mokSa meM jAegA! gati meM bhaTakane kA kudaratI niyama praznakartA : lekina aisA kahate haiM na, mAnavajanma jo ki cauryAsI lAkha pheroM meM bhaTakane ke bAda milA hai, to vApasa itanA hI bhaTakanA par3atA hai aura usake bAda mAnavajanma milatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| eka bAra manuSya yoni meM A gayA na, phira vApasa pUrI cauryAsI meM nahIM ghUmanA pdd'taa| use yadi pAzavatA ke vicAra Ae~ to ATha janmoM taka use pazuyoni meM jAnA par3atA hai, vaha

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AptavANI-8 bhI sau-do sau varSoM ke lie| phira vApasa yahIM kA yahIM, manuSya meM AtA hai| eka bAra manuSya banane ke bAda meM bahuta nahIM bhaTakanA pdd'taa| praznakartA : eka hI AtmA cauryAsI lAkha phere ghUmatA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, eka hI aatmaa| praznakartA : lekina AtmA to pavitra hai na? dAdAzrI : AtmA pavitra to abhI bhI hai| cauryAsI lAkha yoniyoM meM ghUmate hue bhI pavitra rahA hai aura pavitra thA aura pavitra rahegA! praznakartA : to phira isa ghUmane kA kAraNa kyA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA ke lie koI kAraNa nahIM hai, vaha to AnaMda meM hI hai| jise duHkha hotA hai, use duHkha nikAlane kI icchA hotI hai| bAkI AtmA to AnaMda meM hI hai| bhinnatA dekhI, bhrAMti se... praznakartA : jagat meM bhinnatA kisalie utpanna huI? bhinnatA nahIM hotA to AtmA kI ekatA jagat meM sabhI jagaha phailI hotii| jagat meM sukha aura duHkha, yaha bhI bhinnatA hai, amIra aura garIba, yaha bhI bhinnatA hai| to yaha bhinnatA utpanna kisalie huI? dAdAzrI : aisA kucha isa duniyA meM utpanna huA hI nahIM aura kucha vinAza bhI nahIM huaa| utpatti aura vinAza ye sArI sirpha avasthAe~ dikhatI haiN| mUla tatva ko kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| avasthAoM meM bhinnatA bhrAMtivAloM ko dikhatI hai| mUla tatva meM kucha bhI parivartana nahIM hotaa| yaha to viparIta buddhi aisA saba dikhAtI hai| buddhi kA janma huA hai| usakA 'enDa' hone taka buddhi isameM pha~sAtI rahatI hai| yadi buddhi 'riTAyara' ho jAe to kAma nikAla degaa| lekina 'riTAyara' hotI nahIM na, assI varSa kI umra meM bhI 'riTAyara' nahIM hotii| praznakartA : pAnI aura tAr3I, ina donoM meM bhinnatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 87 dAdAzrI : aisI saba bhinnatA hotI hI hai na! svAbhAvika rUpa se inameM bhinnatA hotI hai| tAr3I sapheda dikhatI hai lekina pIe~ taba car3hatI jAtI hai aura pAnI kA nazA nahIM car3hatA / koI bhI cIz2a apanA prabhAva batAe bagaira rahatI nahIM hai na! praznakartA : hara eka taraha ke jIva ke yA manuSya ke AhAra meM bhinnatA rakhI hai| dAdAzrI : bhinnatA hai hI, hara eka vastu mAtra meM bhinnatA hai| do rAI ke dAne hote haiM na, unameM bhI bhinnatA hai| praznakartA : yaha bhinnatA kisalie utpanna huI ? yaha nahIM hotI to sukha hotaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina ye to sArI kalpanAe~ haiM na ! yaha buddhi hai na, vaha kalpanA karavAtI hai ki 'aisA nahIM hotA to, aisA hotA to aisA ho jaataa|' lekina ye zabda hI 'DikzanarI' meM se nikAla dene caahie| aisA hotA to aisA ho jAtA' ye zabda hI nahIM hone cAhie, 'DikzanarI' meM kabhI bhI rakhanA hI mata / praznakartA : to yaha bhinnatA AtmA-paramAtmA ne utpanna kI? jAnabUjhakara kiyA yA apane Apa ho gayA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, bhinnatA hai hI nahIM / use dikhatA hai, vaha usakI ' roMga bilIfa' hI hai| jaise ki eka manuSya ne yahA~ para subaha koI pustaka par3hI ho aura usameM koI bhUta kI bAta par3hane meM AI ho aura rAta ko jaba vaha akelA ho aura rUma meM sone gayA aura dUsare rUma meM cUhe ne koI pyAlA khar3akAyA ki turanta vaha Dara jAtA hai| aba jaba se usake mana meM bhUta ghusA, to jaba taka vaha nikalatA nahIM hai, taba taka usa para bhUta kA asara rahatA hai, aise ye asara haiM / praznakartA: sRSTi ke aMdara bhI jIvamAtra meM bheda DAle haiM? dAdAzrI : jIvamAtra meM bheda hai hI nhiiN| sabhI jIva eka hI svabhAva

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AptavANI-8 ke haiN| bheda to sirpha, usakI dRSTibheda se ye saba bheda dikhate haiN| aura yaha bheda kudarata kA saMcAlana hai| aura vaha bhI bAhya bheda hai, 'kapar3oM' kA bheda hai, mUla bheda nahIM hai| praznakartA : AcaraNa meM bheda hai| jisa taraha se gAya, bhaiMsa, bakarI vagairaha zAkAhArI haiM aura siMha aura bAgha mAMsAhArI haiM, yaha bheda kisane utpanna kiyA? yaha bheda hai, vaha kisalie hai? yaha jIva kA bheda hai, zarIra kA bheda hai yA bhautika bheda hai? yaha jIva meM bheda hai to una logoM ke jIvana meM bheda hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aisA nahIM hai| vaha maiM Apako batAtA hU~, suno| kitanI hI kauma haiM, ve sabhI mAMsAhAra nahIM karate na? aba unheM jaba jAnavara meM jAnA par3A to kisameM jAe~ge? jahA~ mAMsAhArI kauma nahIM hotI, vahA~ para jaaeNge| yAnI ki gAya-bhaiMsa jo mAMsAhAra nahIM karate haiM, unameM jAte haiN| aura mAMsAhArI rAjA vagairaha jaba jAnavara meM jAte haiM, taba ve phira kisameM jAte haiM? ve gAya-bhaiMsa meM nahIM jAte, ve to siMha-bAgha kI yoni meM jAte haiN| ataH yaha sArI vyavasthA bilkula niyamabaddha hai| hara eka deza meM 'vaoNriyarsa' (sainika) niyama se paidA hote hI haiN| aisA hai, isa jagat meM sabhI logoM ke vicAra eka hI taraha ke nahIM hote, hara eka manuSya ke vicAra alaga-alaga hI hote haiN| usakA kyA kAraNa hai? yaha golAkAra hotA hai, 'sarkala', aisA Apane dekhA hai? isameM jagat meM manuSya tIna sau sATha DigriyoM para jagat ke manuSya haiN| yAnI jisa 'DigrI' para-jisa aMza para khar3A hai, use vahA~ se jaisA dikhatA hai vaisA hI vaha bolatA hai| usameM usakA doSa nahIM hai| yAnI kI 'DigrI' para saba matabhedavAlA hai| kyoMki alaga-alaga aMza haiN| aura bIca meM 'senTara' meM Ate haiM taba patA calatA hai ki 'paramAtmA kyA hai? jagat kyA hai? kisa taraha se jagat cala rahA hai?' jagat kalyANa kI adbhuta, apUrva bhAvanA praznakartA : aba 'AtmA hai' aisA to jainoM ne, vedAMtiyoM ne aura sabhI

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AptavANI-8 89 ne kahA hai lekina abhI kI jo sAinsa dRSTi hai, use sabhI 'yUnivarsalI' kyoM eksepTa nahIM karate? dAdAzrI : nahIM kare yA kreNge| kyoMki unheM samajha meM nahIM AtA hai na! AtmA kA astitva to apane hindustAna meM hara eka darzana svIkAra karatA hai| 'phaoNrinavAloM' meM AtmA ke astitva kA darzana nahIM hotA, kyoMki ve loga abhI taka punarjanma ko hI nahIM smjhte| jo loga punarjanma ko samajhate haiM, unhIM ko AtmA ke astitva kA darzana / praznakartA : lekina yadi yaha bAta yUnivarsalI satya ho, to phira usa taraha se yUnivarsalI kyoM sabhIko pahu~ca nahIM sakatI? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ye jo sAre satya haiM, yadi ve yUnivarsalI hote, phira bhI ve saba sApekSa satya haiN| yadi maiM Apake sAtha bAta karU~ na, lekina vaha bAta ye bhAI nahIM samajha sakeMge ki maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ aura Apa turanta hI samajha jaaoge| yAnI hara eka kA 'vyUpoinTa' alaga-alaga hotA hai aura hindustAna ke alAvA, bAhara kA koI bhI manuSya AtmA ke saMbaMdha meM kucha bhI samajha nahIM sktaa| mere pAsa phaoNrina ke 'sAinTisTa' Ae~ge to taba maiM yaha saba unheM byaurevAra samajhA duuNgaa| aura sirpha 'sAinTisTa' yaha samajha sakate haiM, aura vaha bhI kucha hada taka kaa| Apa ise jitanA samajha sakate ho, utanA to ve bhI nahIM samajha skeNge| kyoMki abhI ve loga 'DevalapDa' hI nahIM hai na! sabhI 'phaoNrinavAle' 'adhyAtma' meM 'anDara DevalapDa' haiN| praznakartA : hindustAna meM aisA puruSArtha kyoM koI nahIM kara sakatA ki jisase sabhI ko yUnivarsalI yaha bAta pahu~ce? dAdAzrI : yaha bAta pahu~ca sakatI hai, parantu abhI vItarAgoM kI jo lAiTa hai na, unakI bAta para AvaraNa A gayA hai| abhI sirpha maiM akelA hI 'jJAnIpuruSa' huuN| pUre varlDa ke praznoM ke khulAse dene ke lie taiyAra hU~, cAra araba logoM ko saMpUrNa khulAsA dene ke lie taiyAra hU~, lekina ye loga mujhase milane caahie| varnA nahIM to maiM kyA kara sakatA hU~? kahA~-kahA~

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AptavANI-8 pahu~cU~? Apa mujhase mile, yaha 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' hai aura mile haiM to ApakA kAma ho jaaegaa| varnA jo nahIM mila pAtA usakA kAma nahIM hogaa| mila jAe to usake sabhI khulAse ho jAe~ge, varnA usake khulAse nahIM hoNge| bAkI, eka dina sabhI 'sAinTisToM' ko ikaTThA karane kA merA vicAra hai aura pUre varlDa ke una sabhI 'sAinTisToM' ko taba pUrI haqIqata khullamakhullA batA dU~gA ki 'yaha zarIra kisase banA huA hai? mana kyA hai? mana kA janma kisa taraha se hotA hai? mana kA vilaya kisa taraha se hotA hai? buddhi kyA hai? AtmA kyA hai? jagat kisa taraha se cala rahA hai?' yAnI ki pUrA vijJAna hai yaha to, aura logoM taka pahu~ce to lAbha hogA, aisA praznakartA : merA kahanA yahI thA ki Apake pAsa 'maiM AtmA hU~, maiM asaMga hU~' yaha saba 'eka aura eka do' kI taraha spaSTa ho jAtA hai, 'kucha bhI karane kI zakti hI nahIM hai mujhameM', aisA spaSTarUpa se baratatA rahatA hai, aisA pUrI duniyA ko ho jAe to bahuta lAbha ho jAe na! bar3A upakAra ho jAe na! dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, pUre jagat kA eka sarIkhA darzana nahIM hotaa| kyoMki hara eka ke 'vyUpoinTa' alaga-alaga haiM, yAnI hara eka ko isakI z2arUrata nahIM hai| hama to use basa itanA hI kaheM ki, 'tujhe AtmA ke bAre meM samajhA deMge, taba bhI dUsare dina usake lakSya meM kucha bhI nahIM rhegaa| yaha darzana bhI nahIM pahu~cegA aura yaha mehanata saba bekAra jaaegii|' yaha mehanata apane hindustAna ke lie hI aisI mehanata karanA phaladAyI ho sakatA hai, aura phaoNrina ke lie to kitanI phaladAyI hogI? hama loga unake 'sAinTisToM' ko mArgadarzana de sakate haiM aura ve sAinTisTa unakI bhASA meM una logoM ko deM, tabhI yaha saba ghara-ghara meM phuNcegaa| merA 'AiDiyA' aisA hai ki pUre jagat meM 'isa' 'vijJAna' kI bAta kone-kone taka pahu~cAnI hai aura hara eka jagaha para zAMti honI hI caahie| merI bhAvanA, merI icchA jo bhI kaho merA sabakucha yahI hai!

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AptavANI-8 91 .....taba 'jJAna-prakAza' meM AegA jagat meM jo 'riyala' jJAna hai, 'yUnivarsala' 'TUtha' hai, usa taka buddhi nahIM pahu~ca sktii| vaha buddhi se bhI Upara hai| buddhi vahA~ para Akara ruka jAtI hai| buddhi ke usa aMtima stara ko lAMgha jAe to 'jJAna-prakAza' meM A jAegA, yUnivarsala Tratha meM A jaaegaa| yAnI mana ke sabhI stara pUre ho jAte haiM, usake bAda buddhi ke stara zurU hote haiM aura buddhi ke stara pUre ho jAe~, usake bAda phira 'jJAna-prakAza' kI sthiti meM A jAtA hai| lekina vahA~ taka koI pahu~ca nahIM sktaa| are, loga buddhi ke stara meM nahIM pahu~ca sake haiM, isalie phira mana ke stara meM rahate haiN| varlDa kI vAstavikatA, prakAzamAna kareM 'jJAnI' hI ___'jJAnIpuruSa' to pUre varlDa kI cIjeM batA sakate haiN| jo veda meM nahIM ho, kisI zAstra meM nahIM ho, vaha sabhI 'jJAnIpuruSa' batA sakate haiM, kyoMki 'jJAnIpuruSa', ve apanA 'mIDiyama' haiM, isa 'mIDiyama' ke dvArA apane se sabhIkucha jAnA jA sakatA hai| bAkI, yaha haqIqata pustaka meM utara sake aisI nahIM hai, yaha avaktavya aura avarNanIya hai, taba phira vedoM kA kyA doSa hai isameM? hA~, maiM Apako saMjJA se samajhA sakatA hU~, lekina veda to kitanI saMjJA kara sakeMge? bAkI, veda isakA javAba nahIM de skte| jo veda ne nahIM diyA, vaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA kAma hai| loga jise cetana mAnate haiM, vaha saba bhautika hI hai, usameM AdhyAtmika hai hI nhiiN| AtmA hai, vaha mUla vastu hai aura 'Apa' jise AtmA mAnate ho na, vaha bhI sArA bhautika hI hai| usameM kiMcit mAtra bhI, eka bAla jitanA bhI 'AtmA' nahIM hai, 'Apa' bhUla se 'mAnate' ho utanA hI kyoMki jo 'mUla AtmA' hai, vaha 'mikenikala (bhautika ke prati jhukAvavAlA)' nahIM hai| aura Apa 'mikenikala' AtmA ko mUla AtmA mAnate ho lekina 'mikenikala AtmA' to 'bhautika AtmA' hai| ye sabhI loga cetanavAle haiM yA bagaira cetana ke haiM? praznakartA : cetnvaale|

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : kaise patA calatA hai ki cetanavAle haiM? kauna-se lakSaNoM para se? praznakartA : ye sabhI calane-phirane ke 'mUvamenTsa' hote haiM na! zarIra meM jAkara zarIra kA sirpha mUvamenTa karavAtA hai| dAdAzrI : mUvamenTa karavAtA hai? zarIra kA? AtmA aisA kucha bhI nahIM karatA hai| jo zarIra kA mUvamenTa karavAtA hai, vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| abhI 'Apa' jise AtmA jAna rahe ho, vaha to 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| sacce AtmA ko 'jJAnI' ke alAvA aura koI nahIM jAna sktaa| isa 'mikenikala' ke usa pAra saccA AtmA hai aura vaha isa zarIra meM hI rahA huA hai| bAkI, saccA AtmA to calane-phirane kI sthiti meM hai hI nahIM, vaha kriyA kara hI nahIM sktaa| yaha to jaba chipakalI kI pUMcha kaTa jAtI hai, taba phira vaha bhI hilatI-DulatI rahatI hai| usa pUMcha meM jAna hotI hai? to kyoM vaha uchalakUda karatI hai? kisa AdhAra para uchala-kUda karatI hai? praznakartA : ve prakRti ke svataMtra guNadharma haiM, usa taraha se? dAdAzrI : yAnI jo calatA hai-phiratA hai vaha cetana nahIM hai| taba phira cetana kA lakSaNa kyA hai? taba kahe, 'vahA~ para jJAna-darzana honA cAhie, to vahA~ para cetana hai aisA taya ho jAtA hai|' abhI jagat meM ye jo saba jJAnadarzana dikhatA hai vaha cetana nahIM hai, vaha jJAna-darzana to buddhi ke lakSaNa haiN| yAnI ki vAstava meM vaha bhI cetana nahIM hai, lekina vahA~ para cetana hAz2ira hai, itanI bAta pakkI hai| isa 'TeparikArDa' ke aMdara jJAna bhI nahIM hai aura lAgaNI bhI nahIM hai, isalie isameM cetana nahIM hai| yaha bolatA z2arUra hai, lekina isameM cetana nahIM hai| yaha Apake sAtha abhI kauna bAta kara rahA hai? koI na koI bAta kara rahA hai, itanA to pakkA hI hai na? 'yaha kauna bAta kara rahA hai', use pahacAnanA to par3egA na? kauna bola rahA hai Apake sAtha?

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AptavANI-8 93 praznakartA : pudgala bola rahA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, bolatA hai pudgala aura kahatA hai, 'maiM bola rahA huuN|' cetana meM bolane kA guNadharma hai hI nhiiN| yadi bolane kA guNadharma AtmA kA hai to phira kabhI kisIkI bolI baMda ho jAtI hai, aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? ataH yaha AtmA kA guNa nahIM hai| usake to paramAtma guNa haiM saare| isa taraha se bole, hile-Dule to vaha thaka jaaegaa| thaka nahIM jAegA? AtmA meM eka bhI guNa aisA nahIM hai ki jisakA 'enDa' aae| aura hilane-Dulane kA guNa yadi AtmA kA hotA na, taba to zAma ko thaka jAtA to so jAnA par3atA, ataH hilane-Dulane kA guNa AtmA kA nahIM hai| AtmA ke sabhI guNa 'paramAnenTa' haiN| Apa jo ye saba batA rahe ho na, ve sabhI TemparerI guNa haiM aura ve 'rileTiva' guNa haiM, aura ve 'rileTiva AtmA' ke haiN| yaha jo Apa abhI apane Apa ko AtmA mAnate ho, vaha 'rileTiva AtmA' hai, usake aMdara 'riyala AtmA' hai| usa 'riyala AtmA' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' ho jAe taba kAma hogaa| loga kahate haiM na 'selpha' kA 'riyalAiz2a' karanA hai? ye zabda sune haiM na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : usa 'selpha' kA 'riyalAijezana' kaba hogA ki 'riyala AtmA' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' hogA tb| jagat kA jAnA huA AtmA to... isa jagat meM Apane cetana dekhA hai kabhI? praznakartA : yaha sArA dekhate haiM, vaha cetana hai| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| cetana to A~khoM se dikha nahIM sakatA, kAnoM se sunAI nahIM de sakatA, jIbha se cetana cakhA nahIM jA sktaa| cetana pA~ca indriyoM se kabhI bhI anubhava meM nahIM A sktaa| cetana to duniyA ne dekhA

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94 AptavANI-8 hI nahIM hai, kabhI use sunA bhI nahIM hai, zraddhA meM nahIM hai| jise ye loga cetana kahate haiM, vaha to isa 'mikenikala cetana' ko cetana kahate haiN| 'mikenikala cetana' yAnI ki jo khAtA hai, pItA hai, zvAsa letA hai, vh| nAka dabA deM, zvAsa baMda kara deM to yaha cetana kitane dina calegA? praznakartA : pAva ghNtte| dAdAzrI : ataH yaha cetana nahIM hai| yaha to cetana kI mAyAvI zakti khar3I ho gaI hai| aMdara 'AtmA' ke kAraNa 'cetana' kA sparza huA hai isalie yaha hameM cetana ke rUpa meM dikhatA hai, lekina vAstava meM yaha cetana nahIM hai| yaha bhrAMti kA cetana hai? jagat jise cetana kahatA hai vaha unakI dRSTi kA cetana hai, ekjekTa cetana nahIM hai| usa cetana ko 'nizcetana cetana' kahA jAtA hai| ataH vaha DiscArja hotI huI cIz2a hai| jaba DiscArja hotA hai, taba vaha 'nizcetana cetana' hai| ye jo manuSya calate-phirate haiM, jo kucha bhI karate haiM, vaha sArA hI nizcatena cetana hai| sirpha AtmA kI upasthiti ke kAraNa yaha pUrI mazIna cala rahI hai| yadi AtmA hAz2ira nahIM hogA to yaha mazIna calegI hI nahIM, baMda ho jaaegii| mu~ha baMda kara deM aura nAka dabAkara rakheM to kyA hogA? 'aMdaravAle' pUrA rUma khAlI karake cale jAe~ge phir| ise cetana kaise kaheMge? yaha 'mikenikala cetana' hai| daraasala cetana yadi jagat ne jAnA hotA to Aja kalyANa ho jaataa| vaha jAnA jA sake, aisI sthiti meM hai hI nhiiN| isa 'mikenikala cetana' ko sacara kahA gayA hai aura daraasala cetana ko acala kahA gayA hai yAnI jagat sacarAcara hai| isa deha ke aMdara cetana hai z2arUra lekina 'iphekTiva cetana' hai| kaisA cetana hai? cArja ho cukA cetana hai| aba cArja ho cukA cetana, mUla cetana to nahIM kahalAegA na! kucha bhUla hai yA nahIM? abhI taka bhUla meM hI calA hai, aisA patA calA Apako? sabhI mAnyatAe~ bhUloM se bharI huI thiiN| kucha 'ekz2ekTanesa' to AnI cAhie na?

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AptavANI-8 95 praznakartA : to pUre zarIra meM jo hai, vaha 'mikenikala' cetana hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'mikenikala' cetn| praznakartA : to phira asala cetana kahA~ hai? dAdAzrI : asala cetana hI pUre zarIra meM hai na! aura 'mikenikala cetana', vaha to Upara kI parata hai khaalii| vastusthiti meM logoM ne jise AtmA mAnA hai, vaha 'mikenikala' AtmA hai| hama 'mikenikala' AtmA nahIM dete haiN| maiM to Apako acala AtmA detA huuN| kramikamArga meM 'mikenikala AtmA' ko hI AtmA mAnA huA hai, 'mikenikala cetana' ko hI AtmA mAnA jAtA hai| jaba ahaMkAra zuddha ho jAtA hai, yAnI ki jisa ahaMkAra meM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM samAte, ahaMkAra jaba aisA zuddha ho jAtA hai, saMpUrNa zuddha ho jAtA hai, taba 'zuddhAtmA' aura 'zuddha ahaMkAra' ekAkAra ho jAte haiN| yAnI ki kramikamArga meM aisA hai, lekina yaha to 'akrama vijJAna' hai| isalie yahA~ to 'jJAnIpuruSa' Apake hAtha meM zuddhAtmA hI de dete haiM, acala AtmA hI, nAma mAtra ko bhI 'mikenikala' nahIM hai, aisA nirlepa AtmA de dete haiN| praznakartA : apane aMdara jo sabhAna avasthA rahI huI hai, jo acchAburA dikhAtI hai, vaha cetana kahalAtI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha to sArA nizcetana cetana hai, vaha cetana hai hI nhiiN| isIlie maiM kaha rahA hU~ na ki cetana ko jAnanA to atyaMta muzkilavAlA khela hai| yaha jo jAnA hai na, vaha to 'nizcetana cetana' hai| 'nizcetana cetana' ko aMgrez2I meM kahanA ho to 'mikenikala cetana' kaha sakate haiN| jisameM krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, rAga-dveSa, mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra hote haiM, vaha pUrA hI 'mikenikala cetana' hai| yadi ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha, bolanA-karanA sabakucha AtmA kara rahA hai, to vaha saba karane kI usakI Adata jAegI nhiiN| jise loga mAnate

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AptavANI-8 haiM, vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| 'mikenikala AtmA' to bolatA-karatA, sabakucha karatA hai, vaha bhrAMta AtmA hai| asala AtmA, vahI paramAtmA hai! usakI pahacAna huI, to apanA kAma ho jAegA, varnA taba taka kAma nahIM hogaa| aba agara 'mikenikala AtmA' ko khuda kA AtmA mAna legA to kaba ThikAnA par3egA? isalie hI maiM kahatA hU~ na ki AtmA kyA hai, vaha jagat ne jAnA hI nhiiN| aura jo AtmA nahIM hai, vahIM para AropaNa kiyA hai ki yaha jo socatA hai vaha AtmA hai, yaha hilatA hai, calatA hai, bolatA hai, karatA hai, kUdatA hai, ha~satA hai, gAtA hai, khAtA hai, pItA hai, vyApAra karatA hai, lar3atA hai, sotA hai, vaha AtmA hai| sAmAyika karatA hai, japa karatA hai, tapa karatA hai, dharmadhyAna karatA hai, devadarzana karatA hai, vaha AtmA hai| aisA ye loga kahate haiM, to merA kyA kahanA hai ki vahA~ para AtmA bilkula bhI hai hI nhiiN| aba jahA~ para lekhe kI raqama meM hI itanI sArI bar3I-bar3I bhUleM hotI haiM, usakI belensa zITa bana pAegI kyA? / ataH yaha jo vyApAra karatA hai, beTI kI zAdI karavAtA hai, beTe kI zAdI karavAtA hai, sabakucha 'mikenikala AtmA' hI karatA hai aura 'acala AtmA' ina sabako dekhatA rahatA hai| donoM kA dharma alaga hai| yaha 'mikenikala AtmA' jIvita dikhatA z2arUra hai, mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki yahI cetana hai, lekina vAstava meM yaha cetana nahIM hai| aura vItarAgoM kI dRSTi se AtmA to... yaha jo dikhatI hai na, vaha sArI 'mazInarI' hai, vaha AtmA nahIM hai| jise ye sabhI loga AtmA kahate haiM use hama AtmA nahIM kahate, aura vItarAga bhI use AtmA nahIM khte| vItarAga AtmA ko hI 'AtmA' kahate the, aura ye saba loga anAtmA ko AtmA kahate haiN| aba ina sabhI logoM se hama pUchane jAe~ ki 'sAhaba, Apako AtmajJAna karanA bAkI hai?' taba kaheMge, 'AtmajJAna to jAnanA hI par3egA na!' taba hama kaheM, 'Apa AtmA kahate ho na, vaha AtmA nahIM hai?' taba ve kahate haiM, 'yaha bhI AtmA hai, lekina

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AptavANI-8 97 AtmajJAna to jAnanA hI par3egA na!' yAnI isakA artha kyA hai phira? yAnI 'vItarAgoM' ne jo 'AtmA' dekhA hai, vaha AtmA ina logoM ke lakSya meM bhI nahIM AyA kabhI bhI! are, vicAra meM bhI nahIM AyA na!! vaha AtmA acala AtmA hai aura ye loga jise AtmA kahate haiM, ve 'mikenikala AtmA' ko AtmA kahate haiN| aura 'mikenikala AtmA', vaha saccA AtmA nahIM hai, vaha DiscArja svarUpa hai| use 'DiscArja cetana' kahate haiN| eka 'cArja cetana' aura dUsarA 'DiscArja cetn'| ataH AtmA hai z2arUra, lekina cArja aura DiscArja hotA rahatA hai! isameM yaha bAta kyA Apako thor3I-bahuta samajha meM AtI ataH jagat jaisA mAnatA hai AtmA vaisI vastu nahIM hai| jo AtmA ko jAna le, use isa jagat meM kucha bhI jAnanA bAkI nahIM rhtaa| yAnI jinheM isa jagat meM kucha bhI jAnanA bAkI nahIM rahA, sirpha vahI AtmA ko jAnate haiM! hama logoM ne ise 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahA hai| loga ise AtmA mAna baiThe haiM, ise hI loga sthira karate haiN| sthira karane ke prayatna karate haiM na? lekina yaha mUlataH caMcala svabhAva kA haiM, svabhAva se hI caMcala hai, 'mikenikala' hai| ise sthira karane kA prayatna kara rahe ho, yaha 'vesTa oNpha TAima enDa enarjI' hai| pUrA hI jagat ise AtmA mAnatA hai aura aisA mAnate haiM ki ise sthira kareMge tabhI kAma pUrA hogaa| lekina yaha sacara hai aura kharA AtmA to acala svabhAva kA hai| praznakartA : isa 'mikenikala' kA 'svica' daba hI gayA hai na? dAdAzrI : usakA 'mikenikala' ho hI cukA hai, usameM Apako kucha z2yAdA mAthAkUTa karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| usakI z2arUrata kA peTrola pUrA bhara hI cukA hai, vaha calatA rahegA, Apako peTrola nahIM DAlanA par3egA, kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'egaa| Apako isa 'mikenikala' ko dekhate rahanA hai| dekhanA aura jAnanA, vaha AtmA kA svabhAva hai| praznakartA : karanA kucha bhI nahIM hai?

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98 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| jahA~ kucha bhI karane kA AyA, vahI 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| yAnI ki loga sirpha 'mikenikala' AtmA ke pIche hI par3e hue haiN| use hI kahate haiM, 'yahI AtmA hai! AtmA ke alAvA ye saba aura kauna kara sakatA hai?' ve aisA samajhate haiN| yaha to AtmA kI hAjirI se ho rahA hai aura usake khuda ke asala guNa, khuda ke svabhAva meM hI haiN| parantu 'roMga bilIfa' se vyatireka guNavAlI prakRti utpanna ho gaI hai aura phira prakRti se sabakucha calatA hai| lekina 'roMga bilIfa' aisI kI aisI hI rahatI hai ki 'maiM yaha hU~ aura vaha maiM huuN|' saccI vastu kA 'use' patA hI nahIM calatA, kyoMki janma se hI aise saMskAra die jAte haiN| pahale baccA kahA jAtA hai, phira use nAma diyA jAtA hai| nAma rakhate haiM, usa nAma ko phira bhatIjA, cAcA, mAmA kahA jAtA hai aura isa taraha sabhI bhayaMkara ajJAnatAvAle saMskAra die jAte haiN| saMsAra yAnI ajJAnatA meM hI DAlate rhnaa| isalie pichale janma kA jJAnI ho na, use bhI isa janma meM vApasa ajJAnatA ke pratispaMdana Ate haiN| lekina udaya AtA hai na, to phira se vApasa jAgRti meM A jAtA hai| lekina isa saMsAra kA krama hI aisA hai ki loga use 'roMga bilIfa' fiTa kara dete haiN| aura zAdI nahIM kI ho taba taka hama yadi kaheM ki, 'Apa kisIke pati ho?' taba kahegA, 'nhiiN| maiMne zAdI nahIM kI hai|' aura bAda meM jaba zAdI kara letA hai, taba phira pati bana baiThatA hai| jaba patnI mara jAtI hai taba phira vidhura bhI bana jAtA hai| yAnI aisA hai yaha jgt| isa saMsAra kI sabhI avasthAe~ TemparerI hai aura khuda paramAnenTa hai, lekina isakA bhAna nahIM hai| yaha to jo mAnatA hai ki 'maiM pApI hU~', vaha bhI 'mikenikala AtmA' hai, caMcala vibhAga kaa| jo yaha saMsAra calAtA hai, saMsAra meM hI racA-pacA rahatA hai aisA AtmA, vaha sArA 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| use khuda ko nahIM calAnI ho phira bhI 'mazIna' calatI rahatI hai| aura mUla asala AtmA

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AptavANI-8 to acala hai, bilkula bhI caMcala nahIM hai / usa AtmA ko nahIM jAnane se hI kahA hai ki 'bhAI, AtmajJAna jAno / ' bar3e-bar3e saMtapuruSa bhI aisA kahate haiM ki, 'AtmajJAna jAno / ' ' Apa saMtapuruSa hue taba bhI Apa nahIM jAnate?' taba kahate haiM, 'nhiiN| vaha AtmajJAna hI jAnane jaisA hai!' yAnI AtmajJAna jAnanA vaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA kAma, aura kisIkA kAma hI nahIM hai / kabhI bhI kisI aura ne AtmajJAna jAnA hI nahIM hai / sabhI jise AtmA kahate haiM na, ve 'mikenikala AtmA' kI hI bAta ko samajhe haiN| AtmA jAnane ke bAda to usakI dazA kucha aura hI hotI hai ! 99 pUrA varlDa AtmA kA eka aMza bhI nahIM cakha sakatA, aisA AtmA hai, acala AtmA hai aura vahI khuda paramAtmA hai / yaha to 'AtmA' zabda bolakara loga pakar3a baiThe haiM ki, 'maiM AtmA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA huuN|' are, nahIM hai tU zuddhAtmA / dUsaroM meM tumheM zuddhAtmA dikhatA hai? taba phira koI nukasAna kare to kyoM cir3ha jAte ho? yAnI ye sArA 'mikenikala AtmA' hI hai| yaha jo pUre jagat ne abhI khoja kI hai na, vahI 'mikenikala AtmA' hai / yA phira jisakI khoja kara rahe haiM, vaha AtmA jaba milegA, taba vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hI milA hogaa| yAnI ki mUla zuddhAtmA ke alAvA anya sArA sacara bhAga hai, 'mikenikala' hai| aura zuddhAtmA, vaha acala bhAga hai| zuddhAtmA jJAyaka svabhAva kA hai aura isa sacara kA matalaba hai 'mikenikala' honA, kriyAkArI honaa| yAnI ye donoM hI cIjeM alaga haiN| alaga taraha se calatI hai, judApana kA anubhava barte aisA hai, lekina mAtra usakA bhAna nahIM hai, usa bhAna ko lAne ke lie hI to hama 'jJAna' dete haiN| mizracetana, bAda meM mikenikala banA praznakartA : eka jagaha para Apane 'mizracetana' zabda kahA hai, to usa 'mizracetana' aura isa 'mikenikala cetana', ina donoM meM kyA farqa hai ? dAdAzrI : saba eka hI hai, lekina mizracetana to zurUAta meM kahA

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100 AptavANI-8 jAtA hai, taba 'mikenikala' nahIM hotaa| lekina jaba DiscArja hotA hai taba 'mikenikala' banatA hai| jaba acchI taraha se jama jAtA hai phira vaha DiscArja svarUpa banatA hai, taba vaha 'mikenikala' bana jAtA hai| pahale 'mikenikala' nahIM hotaa| yahA~ para ulTe vicAra karane lage taba se mizracetana taiyAra hone lagatA hai| vaha phira jama jAtA hai, phira vaha agale janma meM phala detA hai, taba usa samaya 'mikenikala' kahalAtA hai| abhI 'mikenikala' nahIM khlaataa| mizracetana kucha samaya bAda 'mikenikala' kahalAtA hai| pahale 'mikenikala' nahIM khlaataa| jaba vaha DiscArja hone lagatA hai taba 'mikenikala' kahalAtA hai, yaha DiscArja hotA huA cetana hai| igoijama, phira bhI sAdhana ke rUpa meM praznakartA : jise Apa 'nizcetana cetana' kahate haiM ki vaha jisakI abhivyakti jagat meM saba ora dikhatI hai, vaha 'nizcetana cetana' aisA mAnatA hai ki "cetana' ko hama samajha sakeMge, pakar3a sakeMge, buddhi ke kSetra meM lA skeNge|" unakA yaha dAvA kitane aMza taka saca sAbita ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : unake pAsa isake alAvA aura sAdhana bhI kyA hai? isake aMdara 'nizcetana cetana' bhale hI ho lekina aMdara 'igoiz2ama' hai| vaha 'igoiz2ama' kAma kara rahA hai| aura 'igoiz2ama' ho to vaha prApti z2arUra karegA, varnA sirpha 'nizcetana cetana' se 'cetana' prApta nahIM kiyA jA sktaa| vastutvataH 'maiM' kyA hai? jagat meM astitva kA bhAna jIvamAtra ko hai ki 'maiM huuN|' lekina vastutva kA bhAna nahIM hai ki maiM kyA hU~?' isIse isa jagat meM bhrAMti cala rahI hai| jaba maiM kyA hU~', aisA bhAna ho jAe taba vastutva kA bhAna ho gayA, aisA kahA jaaegaa| aura vastutva kA bhAna ho jAe to pUrNatva phira apane Apa hotA hI rhegaa| vastutva kA bhAna bhedavijJAna se hotA hai| jar3a aura cetana kA bheda DAla diyA jAe, taba khuda ke vastutva kA bhAna hotA hai|

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AptavANI-8 101 aura isa jagat meM kisIko nAstika nahIM kaha skte| nAstika to kahate hoMge? nAstika kise kahate haiM? isa jagat meM koI nAstika janmA hI nahIM hai aura jo 'maiM nAstika hU~' bolatA hai, vaha usakA vikalpa hai| bAkI, nAstika koI janmA hI nahIM hai| nAstika kA artha kyA hai? ki jisakA astitva nahIM hai use nAstika kahate haiN| to tU astitva kA sabUta to hai hii| 'maiM nAstika hU~' aisA bolatA hai, vaha iTaselpha hI astitva kA sabUta to hai hii| yaha jo bolatA hai, vahI astitva kahalAtA hai| aura nAstika zabda to vikalpa hai| vikalpa arthAt eka taraha kA ahaMkAra hai ki 'maiM nAstika hU~ aura yaha Astika hai|' praznakartA : abhI to aisA hai na, jaba taka khuda astitva kI sthApanA nahIM kara sakatA, 'khuda hai' aisA ekjekTanesa meM 'phIla' bhI nahIM kara sakatA, taba taka khuda kA astitva hai, lekina vaha khuda usakI pratIti nahIM kara sakatA na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| jise 'maiM hU~' aisA nahIM rahatA ho, aisA koI manuSya hai hI nahIM na! 'maiM hU~' aisA sabako rahatA hI hai| 'maiM hU~' yaha zabda hI khuda astitva ko z2Ahira karatA hai| aisA hai na, jIvamAtra kA khuda kA astitva hai aura usa astitva kA use bhAna hai| isalie 'maiM hU~' aisA kucha bhAna use hai aura usakA vaha bhAna kabhI bhI jAtA nahIM hai| rAta ko nIMda meM bhI 'maiM hI hU~' aisA bhAna rahatA hai| yAnI astitva kA bhAna rahatA hI hai| aba use vastutva kA bhAna nahIM hotA ki 'maiM kauna hU~?' vaha jJAna yadi 'jJAnIpuruSa' karavAe aura vaha prakaTa ho jAe, to phira vaha 'eDavAnsa' ho jAtA hai| hama kyA kahate haiM ki jIvamAtra ko astitva kA bhAna to hai hI, lekina vastutva kA bhAna nahIM hai| vastutva kA bhAna ho jAe ki 'khuda kauna hai' to phira pUrNatva hotA rhegaa| aura pUrNatva, vaha nirAlaMba dazA hai, vaha apane Apa hI sahaja svabhAva se hotA rhegaa| dUja hone ke bAda phira tIja hotI hai, cautha hotI hai, apane Apa hotI hI rahatI hai na! hama yadi Ar3Apana

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102 AptavANI-8 nahIM kareMge to phira koI parezAnI nahIM aaegii| usa paudhe ko aise ukhAr3a deMge to phira parezAnI aaegii| aura zAyada kabhI ukhar3a jAe to vApasa lagAnA AnA caahie| sabhI taraha ke khulAse ho jAe~ na, to AtmA vaisA hI rhegaa| jitane prakAra ke manuSya haiM yA phira jitane prakAra ke jIva haiM, utane hI prakAra ke AtmA haiM, lekina daraasala AtmA inameM se eka bhI nahIM hai| ye sabhI 'mikenikala AtmA' haiN| yaha bAta Apako samajha meM A rahI hai na? AtmajJAna jAneM? yA phira.... praznakartA : jo AtmajJAna jAnatA hai, vaha paudgalika jJAna ko bhI jAnatA hai, aisA kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : asala meM to AtmAjJAna jAnanA nahIM hai, khuda ko khuda ke svarUpa ke bhAna meM AnA hai| khuda ko jo abhAnatA hai, khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna nahIM hai, usakA bhAna karanA hai| yaha to zabda se bolate haiM ki 'jAnanA hai', bAkI khuda ko khuda ke bhAna meM AnA hai| yAnI 'AtmajJAna' to apane sabhI zAstrajJAnI jAnate hI haiM, lekina bhAna nahIM ho paataa| ve sabakucha jAnate haiM, tamAma zAstra kaMThastha haiM ki 'AtmA aisA hotA hai, aisA hI hotA hai' aisA sabhIkucha jAnate haiM, lekina khuda ko 'khuda kA' bhAna nahIM ho paataa| ...usakA AsAna tarIqA kyA hai? isameM do hI cIjeM haiM, AtmA aura pudgl| jisane AtmA jAnA ho vaha pudgala ko samajha gayA aura pudgala ko jAna le to AtmA ko samajha gyaa| lekina pudgala ko samajha jAe aisA ho nahIM sakatA, vaha bahuta AsAna cIz2a nahIM hai| AtmA ko jAnanA, use 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke AdhAra para jAnA jA sakatA hai| vedAMtiyoM ne pudgala ko jAnane kA prayatna kiyA hai, pudgala ko jAnane ke lie cAra veda likhe haiN| kyoMki pudgala ko jAnakara, phira AtmA ko

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AptavANI-8 103 jAnA jA sakatA hai| lekina usameM phira thaka gae, taba jAkara cAra vedoM ne kahA ki 'disa iz2a naoNTa deTa, disa ija naoNTa dett|' yAnI ki vedAMtI loga pudgala se isakA patA lagAne gae the| jaba ki kevaLajJAnI usa tarafa se khojate-khojate Ae ki 'vAstava meM hama kauna hai' usakA patA lagAo aura phira bAkI bacA, vaha sArA hI pudgl| ataH sirpha pudgala ko samajhA jA sake aisA nahIM hai, vaha to bahuta gahana vastu hai| use to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke alAvA anya koI bhI samajha nahIM sktaa| isakA artha itanA adhika gaharA hai aura isa pudgala kI kArAmata kucha aura hI prakAra kI hai, yaha bAta hI alaga hai| pUrI hI duniyA ulajhana meM hai| dekho na, 'eka pudgala' ne hI pUre jagat ko ulajhA rakhA hai| bahasa pasaMda nahIM hai, phira bhI karanI par3atI hai| jo saMpUrNa pudgala ko jAna le, vaha cetana ko jAna letA hai yA phira saMpUrNa cetana ko jo jAnatA hai, vaha pudgala ko jAna letA hai| jaise yadi gehU~ ko jAna le, to kaMkar3a ko pahacAna sakatA hai aura kaMkar3a ko jAna le to gehU~ ko pahacAna jAegA, aisA hai| praznakartA : yAnI donoM meM se kisI bhI eka rAste se pahu~ca sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : haaN| kisI bhI rAste se pahu~ca sakate haiN| koI bhI rAstA pasaMda kare taba bhI kAma cala jAegA, isalie maiM ina logoM se kahatA hU~ na, kyoMki kucha loga Ate haiM, ve kahate haiM ki, 'sAhaba, maiM to ajJAna meM hI huuN|' are, ajJAna meM bhI kahA~ hai? yadi saMpUrNa ajJAna ho jAe to bhI jJAna kA patA cala jaaegaa| yaha to saMpUrNa ajJAna bhI nahIM huaa| yaha to ardhadagdha hai| yAnI kyA? ki eka lakar3e kA AdhA bhAga koyalA bana gayA aura AdhA bhAga lakar3I hI hai, taba loga kyA kahate haiM? praznakartA : ardhdgdh| dAdAzrI : haaN| taba yadi lakar3I ke vyApArI se kaheM ki, 'bhAI, ise le le n|' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'nhiiN| isakA mujhe kyA karanA hai?' aura

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AptavANI-8 koyale ke vyApArI se kaheM, taba vaha kahatA hai, 'hameM lakar3e kA kyA karanA hai?' yAnI use koI nahIM letA, usakA koI grAhaka hI nahIM hai, lakar3evAlA bhI nahIM letA aura koyalevAlA bhI nahIM letA / aise hI yaha pUrA jagat ardhadagdha prakAra se cala rahA hai| 104 saMpUrNa ajJAna jAna le, taba bhI AtmA mila jAe I aura pUre dina ciMtA meM hI samaya bitAtA hai / aura 'jJAna' to vahA~ aTArI pr| are! ajJAna hotA to bhI acchA thA / isa hindustAna meM eka bhI aisA AdamI mere pAsa DhU~Dhakara lAo ki jise ajJAna huA hai| ajJAna huA hotA to bhI maiM use kahatA ki, 'bhAI, yaha kinArA samajha gayA hai, isalie usa kinAre ko samajha jAegA / ' lekina usa kinAre ko bhI nahIM samajhA hai| jisa kinAre para khar3A hai, vahA~ kA bhI use bhAna nahIM hai ki kauna-se kinAre para hai| yAnI ki ajJAnI bhI nahIM bana pAyA / yA to gehU~ ko pahacAna le yA phira kaMkar3a ko pahacAna le, to donoM ko pahacAna jaaegaa| isalie cAra vedoM ne kahA hai na, ki 'disa iz2a naoNTa deTa, disa iz2a naoNTa deTa, na iti, na iti / ' lekina usa ajJAna ko bhI pUrA nahIM kiyA / yadi pUrA kiyA hotA na, 'na iti' kahane kI bArI hI nahIM AtI, to jJAna Akara khar3A rhtaa| lekina vahA~ se phira thaka gae, yaha 'na iti, na iti' khkr| veda to jJAna aura ajJAna kA vivaraNa karate haiM / lekina ajJAna yadi pUrA hone diyA hotA to AtmA vahA~ para hAz2ira ho jAtA, lekina use pUrA nahIM hone diyaa| yathArtha rUpa meM jagat sabhI taraha kI bAtacIta karo, khule dila se, yaha jagat 'jaisA hai vaisA' yahA~ para batAyA jaaegaa| 'jaisA hai vaisaa'| 'nahIM hai' use 'nA' kaheMge aura 'hai' use 'hai' kheNge| jo 'nahIM hai' use hamAre dvArA 'hai' nahIM kahA jA sktaa| aura jo 'hai' use 'nahIM' nahIM kahA jA sktaa| eka-eka zabda ke lie hama z2immedAra haiM / aura TheTha taka kI bAta hamAre pAsa hai, kyoMki eka sekanDa ke lie bhI isa deha kA maiM mAlika nahIM banA hU~, isa mana

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AptavANI-8 105 kA mAlika nahIM bnaa| yaha vANI-yaha 'orijinala TeparikArDa' bola rahA hai, maiM nahIM bola rhaa| yaha 'orijinala TeparikArDa' vaktA hai, Apa zrotA ho, maiM jJAtA-dRSTA hU~, yAnI yaha vyavahAra alaga hI prakAra kA hai| ataH jaba yaha sArA hI 'solyuzana' A jAe aura jaba eka bhI 'solyuzana' bAkI nahIM rahe, taba jAnanA ki jJAna prakaTa ho gyaa| samAdhAna hI rahe, hamezA niraMtara samAdhAna hI rahe, use hI jJAna kahate haiN| kisI bhI sthiti meM, kisI bhI saMyoga meM, kisI bhI kAla meM jo samAdhAna meM rakhe, vahI jJAna hai| anya saba ajJAna kahalAtA hai| yAnI Apako jo bAtacIta karanI ho, vaha karo saarii| 'jJAnIpuruSa' to cAra veda ke UparI (baoNsa, variSTha mAlika) kahalAte haiN| aura kisI bhI prakAra kA prazna pUchA jA sakatA hai, kyoMki yaha hama dekhakara bolate haiN| eka bhI zabda pustaka se par3hA huA nahIM bolte| maiM dekhakara bolatA hU~ isalie logoM ke kAma AtA hai| aura phira, maiM bolanevAlA nahIM hU~, 'TeparikArDa' bolatA hai, maiM to jJAtA-dRSTA huuN| veda thyoriTikala, vijJAna prekTila hama cAra vedoM ke UparI haiN| cAra veda par3hane ke bAda meM veda yaha kahate haiM ki 'disa ija naoNTa dett'| praznakartA : veda aura jJAna, ye donoM zabda alaga-alaga kyoM haiM? dAdAzrI : veda buddhijanya haiM, kriyA sahita haiM, triguNAtmaka haiM aura jJAna triguNAtmaka nahIM hotA, buddhijanya nahIM hotA aura svabhAva se cetana bhAva hI hotA hai| jJAna hamezA hI cetana hotA hai| praznakartA : to veda vAGagamaya meM jJAna to sabakucha bharA huA hI hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha jJAna mokSa ke lie kAma meM nahIM aaegaa| vaha sAdhanajJAna hai| sAdhyajJAna nahIM hai usmeN| usameM sAdhanajJAna hai, ataH buddhijanya hai| yAnI veda iTaselpha kahate haiM ki 'disa iz2a naoNTa dett|' tU jisa AtmA ko DhU~Dha rahA hai, vaha yahA~ para nahIM ho sktaa| vaha avarNanIya

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106 AptavANI-8 hai, avaktavya hai, vaha zabdoM meM nahIM hotaa| aura veda zabdarUpI haiN| isalie 'go Tu jJAnI' ki jahA~ para AtmA hAtha meM A sakatA hai| 'disa iz2a deTa' kaheMge ve| veda, vaha buddhijanya jJAna hai, aura yaha jJAna cetanajJAna hai| buddhijanya jJAna yAnI ki, buddhi aura jJAna meM Dipharensa kyA hai? ki 'DAyarekTa naoNleja' ko jJAna kahate haiN| 'inDAyarekTa naoNleja', use buddhi kahate haiN| veda zabdarUpI jJAna hai, isalie buddhigamya jJAna hai| veda 'thyoriTikala' haiM aura jJAna 'prekTikala' hai| praznakartA : yAnI ki anubhavagamya? dAdAzrI : haaN| anubhavagamya hI saccA jJAna hai| bAkI, dUsarA sArA to 'thyoriTikala' hai| vaha 'thyoriTikala' zabda ke rUpa meM hotA hai, aura cetanajJAna to zabda se Age, bahuta Age hai| vaha avaktavya hotA hai, avarNanIya hotA hai| AtmA kA varNana ho hI nahIM sakatA, veda kara hI nahIM skte| phira bhI vedoM kA mArgadarzana to eka sAdhana hai| vaha sAdhyavastu nahIM hai| jaba taka 'jJAnIpuruSa' nahIM mileMge, taba taka kabhI bhI kAma nahIM ho paaegaa| praznakartA : jJAna aura veda, ina donoM kA jo bheda hai na, vaha zAbdika bheda hai? isameM koI bauddhika kasarata hai? dAdAzrI : bauddhika hI hai| veda bauddhika hI haiM, triguNAtmaka haiM aura saccA jJAna, vaha triguNAtmaka nahIM hotA, vahI vijJAna hai| vijJAna to daraasala jJAna hai aura yaha 'jJAna', vaha usa taka pahu~cane kA sAdhana hai| praznakartA : ThIka hai, lekina vijJAna aura jJAna donoM zabdoM kA upayoga veda meM eka hI jagaha para kiyA gayA hai| dAdAzrI : usameM vijJAna kA upayoga ho hI nahIM sktaa| veda to

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AptavANI-8 vijJAna ke lie mArgadarzana dete haiM, izArA karate haiM / bAkI vijJAna to khuda hI avarNanIya hai, avaktavya hai / vaha aise pustakoM meM nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : 'satyam jJAnam' kahA hai na! 'anaMtam brahma' aisA bhI kahA hai| 107 dAdAzrI : zabda jo bhI haiM, ve to ThIka haiM na ! bAkI veda triguNAtmaka haiM, unheM aura kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai na! praznakartA : lekina jJAna triguNAtmaka hai hI na? dAdAzrI : jo triguNAtmaka jJAna hai, use buddhi kahate haiN| veda to eka hI kAma karate haiM ki saMsAra kA DevalapamenTa karate haiN| dhIre-dhIre buddhijanya DevalapamenTa karate haiM aura phira sAtha hI sAtha yadi koI 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ to usakA kAma ho jAtA hai, basa nimitta milanA caahie| yadi nimitta nahIM mile to kAma nahIM ho pAtA / ye veda kyA kahate haiM ki inameM sArA hI buddhijanya jJAna A jAtA hai, use vedAMta kahA jAtA hai / aba jJAnajanya jJAna arthAt vijJAna, aba usameM tujhe padArpaNa karanA hai| anivAryatA, 'jJAnI' kI praznakartA : manuSyAnaMda se brahmAnaMda taka jAne ke lie veda meM bAraha sIr3hiyA~ batAI gaI haiM, usa eka - eka sIr3hI para car3hane ke lie veda meM pUrA varNana hai| dAdAzrI : aMtima sIr3hI taka pahu~cakara itanA hI jAna pAte haiM, bArahavIM sIr3hI para, ki 'zakkara mIThI hai', itanA jAna pAte haiM, lekina mIThI kA matalaba kyA hai, vaha nahIM jAna pAte / jaba usa bArahavIM sIr3hI para pahu~cate haiM, taba 'yaha cIz2a bilkula mIThI hai aura isake alAvA aura kisIkI z2arUrata nahIM hai' aisA use yaqIna ho jAtA hai, lekina mIThI kA matalaba kyA hai? taba vaha ise DhU~DhatA hai|

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108 AptavANI -8 to vahA~ para jJAnIpuruSa se milatA hai, vaha nimitta mila jAe, taba ve usake mu~ha meM rakha dete haiM ki 'disa iz2a dett|' praznakartA : aba Apa batAie ki jJAna ke aMtargata vastu hai yA veda ke aMtargata jJAna hai ? yAnI ki jJAna veda meM hai yA veda jJAna meM haiM ? dAdAzrI : jJAna veda meM hai, veda jJAna meM hai lekina 'vijJAna' veda ke bhI bAhara hai| praznakartA : jJAna aura vijJAna donoM veda meM batAe gae haiM / dAdAzrI : ve sabhI zabda die hue haiN| mUla vastu nahIM hai| 'mIThI hai' aisA likhA huA hai, anubhava nahIM likhA hai ! 'thyoriTikala' meM anubhava nahIM hotaa| praznakartA : RSi-muniyoM ne anubhava kiyA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha anubhava yoM hI nahIM liyA jA sktaa| vaha anubhava, anubhavI puruSa ke mAdhyama se, nimitta se hotA hai, varnA nahIM ho paataa| hara koI vyakti nahIM kara sakatA, bIca meM nimitta ke rUpa meM 'jJAnIpuruSa' haiN| praznakartA : veda meM bhI hai ki guru ke binA to calegA hI nahIM / dAdAzrI : jo-jo bAta guru ke binA kI jAtI hai na, ve sabhI pAgala jaisI bAte haiN| praznakartA : yaha jo siddha ho cukI haqIqata hai, usa siddha ho cukI haqIkatavAle jo RSi-muni haiM, ve abhI apane yahA~ nahIM haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha siddha kI huI vastu kaisI hai ki sahaja hai, sugama hai lekina usakI prApti durlabha hai| kyoMki prApta puruSa milane cAhie, taba jAkara usakI prApti hogI / prApta puruSa kaise hote haiM ki khuda mukta puruSa hote haiM, svataMtra puruSa hote haiM, jinheM saMsAra kA eka bhI vicAra AtA hI nahIM, strI saMbaMdhI vicAra nahIM Ate, khuda ke astitva saMbaMdhI vicAra nahIM

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AptavANI-8 109 Ate, potApaNuM (maiM hU~ aura merA hai aisA AropaNa, merApana) jinameM nahIM hotaa| jahA~ potApaNuM nahIM hotA, vahA~ para kAma ho sakatA hai| Apa jaise loga Akara mujhase kahate haiM ki, 'zakkara mIThI hai, aisA hameM ckhaaie|' taba phira maiM mu~ha meM rakha detA hU~ ki 'disa ija dett|' taba se phira vaha niraMtara AtmAmaya ho jAtA hai, phira eka kSaNa ke lie bhI vaha idhara-udhara nahIM hotaa| niraMtara AtmAmaya, caubIsoM ghaMTe, saMpUrNa jAgRti ! yaha to pUrA jagat khulI A~khoM se so rahA hai| tatva vicArakoM ke alAvA pUrA jagat khulI A~khoM se so rahA hai| zabda bhI anitya praznakartA : aba kucha loga kahate haiM ki zabda nitya hai aura kucha loga kahate haiM ki zabda anitya hai, to isameM se aba saca kyA hai? dAdAzrI : zabda anitya hai| praznakartA : kucha loga aisA kahate haiM ki zabda nitya hai| dAdAzrI : kitane bhI kahate hoM, lekina maiM Apako yaha hamezA ke lie itanA satya batA detA hU~, phira yadi ve kaheM to hameM harja nahIM hai, durAgraha nahIM hai kisI bhI prakAra kaa| isa duniyA meM jo satya hai na, vaha bhI satya nahIM hai, vaha bhI asatya hai| sat hamezA avinAzI hotA hai aura svAbhAvika hotA hai| aura yaha zabda svAbhAvika nahIM hai| zabda to jaba vastu meM kucha TakarAtA hai tabhI hotA hai| ataH zabda to saMyoga hai, do-tIna vastuoM ke saMyoga se banatA hai isalie vaha svAbhAvika vastu nahIM hai| praznakartA : 'zabda anitya hai' yaha bAta to ThIka hai| aba veda zabdoM se banA huA hai, phira bhI jo veda hai, use nitya mAnA jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : usa mAnI huI bAta meM kucha bhI nahIM hai| nitya kise kahate haiM? ki jo anivAzI ho, hamezA ke lie ho aura vaha khuda vastu svarUpa

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110 AptavANI-8 ho| jisameM kucha bhI 'cenja' nahIM hotA ho, eka hI svabhAva kA ho, jisakA svabhAva nahIM bdltaa| AtmA avinAzI hai| yaha AkAza tatva avinAzI hai| pudgala, ye paramANu jo tatva haiM, jo aNu kA choTe se choTA bhAga, avibhAjya bhAga paramANu hai, vaha avinAzI tatva hai| gati sahAyaka tatva gati karavAtA hai una sabhI ko, vaha avinAzI hai| aura jo sthiti karavAtA hai, vaha sthiti sahAyaka tatva, vaha avinAzI hai| aura kAla bhI avinAzI tatva hai| yAnI ki nirvikalpI satya to ye chaha vastue~ haiM isa duniyA meN| chaha hI vastue~ nirvikalpI satya haiM, jinameM koI 'cenja' nahIM hotA, jo svAbhAvika haiN| sAdhana bhI samAe vikalpa meM praznakartA : yaha jo veda 'TeknolojI' hai, vaha 'aproca' batAtI hai, itanA to satya hai? dAdAzrI : ve hamAre lie 'helpiMga' haiM, ulTe gae haiM isalie jagaha para Ane ke lie ve 'helpiMga' hai| yadi ulTe nahIM gae hote to 'helpiMga' nahIM thaa| ye jo veda haiM na, inheM loga bhale hI jo kucha bhI nAma dete hoM, lekina mUla RSabhadeva bhagavAna ke mukha se hI haiM ye| praznakartA : yaha bAta ThIka hai| aba yaha jo OMkAra hai, usake aMdara kyA satya chupA huA hai? dAdAzrI : OMkAra meM bahuta satya chupA huA hai, lekina vaha bhI kaunasA satya hai? vikalpI satya hai| isake bAvajUda yaha vikalpI satya nirvikalpa kI tarafa le jAe, aisA hai| yaha rAstA hai, yaha roDa-ve hai| praznakartA : aba sAdhya pUrNa hai, brahma pUrNa hai| sAdhana vikalpI haiM, ve bhI dezakAla kA anusaraNa karake pUrNabhAva dhAraNa karate haiM yA nahIM? ____dAdAzrI : dUsare saMyoga ikaTThe ho jAe~ to ho sakatA hai| lekina Akhira meM eka saMyoga nirvikalpI guru kA honA cAhie, lekina ve

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AptavANI-8 111 'jJAnIpuruSa' hone cAhie, jinheM varlDa meM koI bhI cIz2a jAnanI bAkI nahIM rahI ho| isa varlDa meM aisI koI cIz2a nahIM hai ki jo unheM jAnanI bAkI ho| praznakartA : nirvikalpI puruSa kaise hote haiM? dAdAzrI : nirvikalpI puruSa meM buddhi kA chIMTA taka nahIM hotA / buddhi kA eka chIMTA bhI nahIM hotA, isIlie unakA nAma nirvikalpa puruSa / praznakartA : to gItA meM kSara puruSa aura akSara puruSa, do kA varNana hai, ve akSara puruSa arthAt nirvikalpa puruSa? dAdAzrI : kSara to yaha deha hI hai aura akSara vikalpI hai / aura jo kSara-akSara se pare hai, vaha nirvikalpa | vikalpoM ke kAraNa cUka jAte haiM aMtima maukA bAkI maiM to AtmA ko jAnatA hU~ / Apa kaho ki mujhe AtmA de dIjie, to maiM AtmA de detA hU~ / praznakartA lekina mujhe to vyavahAra meM rahanA hai| I dAdAzrI : to vyavahAra meM rahakara, lekina vyavahAra to Adarza vyavahAra honA caahie| AtmA prApta huA kaba kahA jAegA? khuda ke ghara kA vyavahAra pUrNa Adarza ho, tabhI AtmA prApta hogA / varnA AtmA prApti kI ye jo bAteM karate haiM na, aisI guphA jaisI vastu nahIM hai yaha / AtmA, vaha guphA kI vastu nahIM hai| guphA to 'oNna TrAyala' vastu hai / varnA to jahA~ para khuda kA vyavahAra suMdara ho, Adarza ho, vahA~ para krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha nahIM hote, par3osI ke sAtha saMbaMdha acche hote haiM, ghara meM 'vAipha' ke sAtha saMbaMdha acche hote haiN| : praznakartA : lekina AtmA ko DhU~DhanA nahIM hotA, usakA to svayaM darzana ho jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ki ina logoM ne jahA~ para rAstA TUTa gayA vahA~ para sAre 'oNrnAmenTala' rAste banAe / mUla rAstA, jaba bAraha - bAraha akAla par3e the, taba yaha rAstA pUrA hI TUTa gayA thA, taba 'oNrnAmenTala' rAste bnaae|

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112 AptavANI-8 vahA~ para aisA kahA gayA ki 'satya kA zodhana apane Apa hI ho sakatA hai!' lo! bAkI sabakucha to kaoNleja meM jAe~, taba hotA hai aura isa satya ko ghara para hI DhU~Dha sakate haiN| bAkI vikalpI kabhI bhI nirvikalpI bana hI nahIM sktaa| vikalpI bIja kabhI bhI nirvikalpI bana hI nahIM sakatA aura bekAra bhaTakatA rahatA hai| nimitta kI z2arUrata hai| vikalpI aura nirvikalpI, donoM dRSTiphera haiN| jaba ki yadi nirvikalpI kI dRSTi mila jAe, koI kara de, to phira vaha nirvikalpa ho jAtA hai| 'dRSTi' ko hI cenja karane kI z2arUrata hai| isameM abhyAsa se nahIM hogaa| yadi abhyAsa se honA hotA, taba to abhyAsa kara dete| lekina pUrI dRSTi hI alaga hai| yAnI ki jaba khuda kA svarUpa jAna le taba nirvikalpa banatA hai| nirvikalpa bana jAe taba ahaMkAra aura mamatA cale jAte haiM, bs| ahaMkAra aura mamatA cale gae, to vyatireka guNa cale gae saare| mamatA, vaha lobha aura kapaTa hai, ahaMkAra krodha aura mAna hai| ye cAra guNa isa taraha se utpanna hue the, 'jJAnIpuruSa' ina donoM cIz2oM ko judA kara dete haiM, Diviz2ana kara dete haiM, AtmA aura anAtmA meM lAina oNpha DimArkezana' DAla dete haiM, taba phira donoM alaga ho jAte haiN| bAkI to haiM hI alaga, alaga hI haiN| abudha hone para, abheda huA jAegA praznakartA : lekina veda to abheda kA nirUpaNa karate haiM na? dAdAzrI : haaN| lekina abheda kA nirUpaNa to hara eka ne kiyA hI hai na! lekina abheda prApta honA muzkila hai| jaba taka vedoM ko gholakara pI nahIM jAe, taba taka abheda nahIM ho sktaa| kyoMki jaba taka buddhi nahIM jAtI taba taka abheda nahIM huA jA sktaa| buddhi bheda DAlatI hai| bheda kauna DAlatA hai| jo buddhivAle haiM na, ve hI bheda DAlate haiN| ___ aba yadi Apake isa pUre gA~va ko abudha banAnA ho to kitanA samaya lagegA? buddhi hI nahIM ho aisA manuSya banAnA ho to kitanA samaya lagegA? turanta ho jAegA?

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AptavANI-8 113 praznakartA : nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : to taba taka abheda hogA nhiiN| jaba buddhi jAegI taba abheda huA jaaegaa| buddhi bheda DAlatI hai, 'yaha merA aura yaha tumhArA' buddhi hI manuSya ko 'imozanala' karatI hai| praznakartA : buddhi 'imozanala' karatI hai yA hRdaya 'imozanala' karatA hai| hai dAdAzrI : nahIM, buddhi hii| hRdaya to abudha meM bhI hotA hai| praznakartA : buddhi ko zAstroM ne nizcayAtmikA kahA hai na, nizcaya karanevAlI? dAdAzrI : haaN| buddhi nirNaya karanevAlI hai, phira bhI vaha 'imozanala' kara detI hai| sa-iti to bhedavijJAna se hI AtmA veda meM samA sake, aisI vastu hI nahIM hai| veda meM jo zabda haiM, ve sthUla bhASA ke haiM aura AtmA sUkSmatama hai| donoM kA mela kisa taraha se par3egA? eka sthUla aura eka sUkSmatama, veda kisa taraha se varNana kara sakeMge? AtmA avaktavya hai aura avarNanIya hai, ni:zabda hai, isalie veda meM kabhI bhI nahIM utara sktaa| jaba ki kahate haiM, 'veda hI isa jagat kI sabhI vastuoM ko jAnate haiM na? to phira isa veda se pAra kauna jAna sakegA?' taba kahe, 'veda se nIce kA to koI jAna nahIM sktaa| veda khuda bhI nahIM jaante| lekina veda se Upara ke jo hote haiM, sirpha ve jJAnIpuruSa hI jAnate haiM ki AtmA kyA hai, vaha !' 'jJAnIpuruSa' aisA bhI kahate haiM ki, 'disa iz2a deTa, disa iz2a dett|' praznakartA : 'disa ija naoNTa deTa' meM se 'disa iz2a deTa' meM kisa taraha se jAyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : 'disa ija naoNTa deTa' meM se 'disa iz2a deTa' meM jAne ke

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114 AptavANI-8 lie bheda vijJAna kI z2arUrata par3atI hai ki AtmA yaha nahIM hai, yaha hai, yaha nahIM hai, yaha hai| aura vaha bheda vijJAna, 'jJAnI' ke alAvA aura kisIke pAsa nahIM hotaa| jaba-jaba 'jJAnI' janma lete haiM taba kucha logoM ko (sAtha meM) le jAte haiN| lekina yaha 'akrama vijJAna' hai| 'vijJAna' arthAt cetana hai yh| ataH Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'taa| yaha jJAna hI sAvadhAna karatA hai aapko| yaha jJAna hI iTaselpha kAma karatA rahatA hai| yaha 'akrama vijJAna' hai| veda, ve jJAna svarUpa haiM, aura vettA vijJAnasvarUpa hai| jJAna kriyAkArI nahIM hotA aura vijJAna kriyAkArI hotA hai| praznakartA : jo 'vijJAna svarUpa' hai, usakA varNana karate-karate veda bhI thaka gae! dAdAzrI : hA~, thaka gae! kyoMki veda vettA ko kisa taraha se samajha sakeMge? vettA veda ko samajha sakatA hai, lekina veda vettA ko samajhe, vaha kisa taraha se 'paoNsibala' ho sakegA? vettA kA artha kyA hai? jAnanevAlA! vaha jJAtA-dRSTA hai| vettA, yaha zabda yoM dekhane meM choTA dikhatA hai na! AtmaprApti, kisake pAsa se saMbhava? yahA~ para sabakucha pUchA jA sakatA hai, cAra vedoM kI bAteM pUchI jA sakatI haiM aura cAra anuyogoM kI bAteM bhI pUchI jA sakatI haiN| jainoM kI, vedAMta kI, kurAna kI sabhI bAteM yahA~ para pUchI jA sakatI haiN| kyoMki jo veda se bhI Upara jA cuke haiM, unase veda kI bAta pUchI jA sakatI hai! praznakartA : veda se Upara kisa taraha se jAyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to jaba 'jJAna prakAza' ho jAe, tabhI veda se Upara jAyA jA sakatA hai| praznakartA : to phira yaha buddhigamya vastu nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| yaha buddhigamya vastu nahIM hai| jitanI buddhigamya vastue~

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AptavANI-8 115 thIM, utanI veda meM haiM, aura buddhigamya se Age jAne ke lie 'go Tu jJAnI' ki jinameM buddhi bilkula hai hI nhiiN| jo abudha kahalAte haiM aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jA to tujhe AtmA prApta hogA, varnA AtmA prApta nahIM hogaa| buddhivAle ke pAsa AtmA nahIM hotaa| AtmA hai to buddhi nahIM hai aura buddhi hai, to AtmA hogA hI nahIM na! praznakartA : jaina dharma ke adhyayana se AtmajJAna hotA hai, ApakA aisA kahanA hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aura jo vedAMta ke cAra veda haiM, unake adhyayana se bhI AtmajJAna nahIM hotaa| cAra veda haiM, ve saba jaba pUre ho jAte haiM, taba iTaselpha kahate haiM ki 'disa ija naoNTa dett|' tU jisa AtmA ko DhU~Dha rahA hai, vaha inameM nahIM hai| isalie 'go Tu jnyaanii|' AtmA pustaka meM utArA jA sake aisA nahIM hai| AtmA avarNanIya hai, avaktavya hai, yAnI ki pustaka meM utArA jA sake aisA hai hI nhiiN| ataH yaha 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA hI kAma hai| jinakA AtmA prakaTa ho cukA hai, sirpha ve hI AtmA batA sakate haiN| varlDa meM anya kisI aura ke basa kA yaha kAma nahIM hai| praznakartA : batA nahIM sakate lekina abhyAsa karavA sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : sirpha DAyarekzana de sakate haiM, izArA de sakate haiN| yAnI ki AbhAsa jaisA ho sakatA hai, lekina mUla vastu kA sAkSAtkAra nahIM karavA skte| praznakartA : lekina khuda ke AtmA kA khuda sAkSAtkAra kara sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke binA sAkSAtkAra nahIM ho sakatA, kisIkA bhI nahIM huA hai| jo mukta haiM, ve hI chur3avA sakate haiM / vahI isa jaMjAla meM ba~dhA huA hai, to phira hameM kisa taraha se chur3avA sakegA? ataH taraNatAraNa puruSa kI AvazyakatA hai| jo khuda tara cuke haiM aura anekoM ko tArane meM samartha haiM, vahA~ para apanA kAma hogaa|

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AptavANI-8 praznakartA : to zrutavANI ke abhyAsa se AtmajJAna hotA hai? dAdAzrI : zrutavANI vagairaha saba 'helpiMga' karanevAlI cIz2a hai / zrutavANI se citta kI maz2abUtI hotI hai, dinoM dina citta nirmala hotA jAtA hai| aura jaba citta nirmala ho jAe aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~, to vaha jJAna ko jaldI se, z2yAdA acchI taraha se pakar3a sakegA / 116 praznakartA : jJAna guru se milatA hai, lekina jisa guru ne khuda AtmasAkSAtkAra kara liyA ho, unake hI hAthoM jJAna mila sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : ve 'jJAnIpuruSa' hone cAhie aura phira sirpha AtmasAkSAtkAra karavAne se kucha nahIM hogA / 'jJAnIpuruSa' to 'yaha jagat kisa taraha se cala rahA hai? khuda kauna hai? yaha kauna hai ? ' aise sabhI spaSTIkaraNa dete haiM taba kAma pUrA ho, aisA hai / varnA, pustakoM ke pIche par3ate rahate haiM, lekina pustakeM to 'helpara' haiN| vaha mukhya vastu nahIM hai / vaha sAdhAraNa kAraNa hai, vaha asAdhAraNa kAraNa nahIM hai| asAdhAraNa kAraNa kauna - sA hai ? 'jJAnIpuruSa' ! sIr3hI eka aura sopAna aneka praznakartA : jainadarzana, vedAMta, advaitavAda, soham, aham brahmAsmi, ekoham bahusyAma, sarva idam brahma, ye saba eka hI haiM? dAdAzrI : jaise sIr3hI aura sopAna eka hI haiM, vaise hI ye saba eka hI haiN| lekina sopAna ke rUpa meM alaga-alaga mAne jAte haiN| na dvaita, na advaita, AtmA dvaitAdvaita praznakartA : advaita aura dvaita ko samajhanA hai, Apa smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : advaita kA matalaba Apa kyA mAnakara baiThe ho, vaha mujhe btaao| praznakartA : yaha 'maiM hI eka satya hU~, mere alAvA anya koI satya

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AptavANI-8 117 nahIM hai| maiM jo hU~ vahI satya hai, anya jo kucha bhI isameM pratibhAsita hotA hai, vaha satya nahIM hai', use advaita kahatA huuN| dAdAzrI : to phira aba satya khojane kA rahA hI kahA~? yadi 'maiM hI satya hU~' to phira satya ko DhUMDhane kA rahA hI nhiiN| to phira pustaka kisalie par3hate ho? ApakA siddhAMta yahI kahatA hai na, 'maiM hI satya hU~? praznakartA : siddhAMta kI niSThA ke lie, siddhAMta dRr3ha ho usake lie pustaka par3hanI hai na? dAdAzrI : lekina yaha siddhAMta to ThIka nahIM khlaaegaa| kyA nAma hai ApakA? praznakartA : cNduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : to Apa caMdUbhAI ho, yaha satya hai? praznakartA : caMdUbhAI to nAma hai, aura nAma, vaha satya nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : taba kyA satya hai? Apa satya banakara phira bolo| praznakartA : satya to zabda meM AtA hI nahIM na! dAdAzrI : phira bhI taba Apa kauna ho? 'caMdUbhAI beakla haiM' kaheM to Apako burA lagatA hai| yadi Apa para asara ho jAtA hai, to Apa caMdUbhAI hI ho| praznakartA : jaba taka asara hotA hai, taba taka 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA dAdAzrI : haaN| aura gAliyA~ de phira bhI asara nahIM ho, mAre phira bhI asara nahIM ho, jeba kaTa jAe phira bhI asara nahIM ho, taba maiM jAnU~gA ki advaitavAda ke kone meM A gae haiN| yaha to abhI taka advaita ko samajhatA hI nhiiN| aba Apako dvaita aura advaita samajhAtA huuN| samajhane kI icchA hai na?

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118 praznakartA: hA~, pUrI-pUrI / dAdAzrI : advaita, vaha AdhArI hai yA nirAdhArI ? praznakartA : nirAdhArI / AptavANI -8 dAdAzrI : aura dvaita? praznakartA : advaita meM Ane ke bAda phira dvaita hai hI kahA~ ? dAdAzrI : aba aisA ulTA sikhAte haiM ki 'dvaita hai hI kahA~ ?' aura saMsArI bAta Ae, koI z2arA jeba kATa le, usa ghar3I zora macAkara rakha detA hai| are, aba yaha sArA dvaita AyA kahA~ se? vApasa kahegA ki, 'pulisavAle ko bulAo, yaha cora hai, isane hI merI jeba kaattii|' are, abhI kaha rahA thA ki 'dvaita hai hI kahA~ ?' to yaha dvaita kahA~ se AyA? ApameM bhI nirA dvaita hI hai| isameM maiM Apako bhalA-burA nahIM kaha rahA hU~, lekina yadi saccI bAta samajhanI ho to advaita aisA nahIM hai / aura taba taka saccA sukha, jo khuda ke AtmA kA sukha hai vaha kisa taraha se eka ghar3I ke lie bhI pA sakegA? ApakI samajha meM AtA hai na? praznakartA. dvaita kI apekSA se advaita hai| : advaita, vaha nirAdhArI vastu nahIM hai / dvaita ke AdhAra para advaita hai| kisake AdhAra para hai, itanA Apako samajha meM AtA hai? I dAdAzrI : haaN| dvaita ke AdhAra para yaha advaita hai| aura jo cIz2a kisIkI apekSA se haiM, ve sabhI sApekSa kahalAtI haiM / aura sApekSa kabhI bhI nirapekSa nahIM bana sktaa| yAnI ki isa advaita kA artha logoM ne nirapekSa kiyA hai| bAta ko yadi samajhe na to hala aaegaa| praznakartA. : lekina hama to nirapekSa meM hI mAnate haiM / dAdAzrI : nirapekSa hI mAnanA cAhie, lekina nirapekSa ko samajhanA to cAhie na ?

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AptavANI-8 119 praznakartA : hama advaita kA artha nirapekSa jaisA karate haiM / dAdAzrI : haaN| yaha to saba Apane apane Apa kiyA, isakA artha to yaha huA ki yaha saba ApakI mati para AdhArita hai, lekina pUrI taraha se to yaha eksepTa nahIM hogA na ! mati anusAra Apako artha karanA ho, nirapekSa, to ho sakatA hai, lekina vaha niyama se sahI nahIM mAnA jAegA na! niyamapUrvaka to maiM kahU~ ki, 'advaita AdhArI hai yA nirAdhArI ?' taba kahate haiM, 'AdhArI hai|' to kisake AdhAra para hai? to kahe, 'dvaita ke AdhAra para / ' dvaita kI apekSA se advaita hai aura advaita, vaha sApekSa hai| use ye loga nirapekSa kahate haiN| Apako, ApakA AtmA qabUla karatA hai na yaha bAta? maiM jo bAta kaha rahA hU~, Apake AtmA ko use qabUla karanA hI caahie| kyoMki maiM yaha 'karekTa' bAta kaha rahA huuN| maiM pakSapAta se bAhara nikalA huA manuSya huuN| pakSa meM par3e hue manuSya kI bAta kabhI bhI satya nahIM ho sktii| pakSapAta se bAhara nikale hue hone cAhie, vahIM para bAta sunanI cAhie / 'advaita - vaha sApekSa hai', Apako aisA samajha meM AyA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : Apa jisa advaita ko nirapekSa mAnate the, vaha to sApekSa niklaa| yAnI ki isameM abhI taka ApakI koI bhUla huI hai, vaha samajha meM AyA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : mujhe advaitavAle pUchate haiM ki, 'to AtmA kaisA hai?' taba maiMne kahA, 'AtmA advaita svarUpI hai hI nahIM aura AtmA dvaita bhI nahIM hai / AtmA dvaitAdvaita hai! ' dvaitAdvaita kA artha kyA hai? ki 'bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa' AtmA dvaita hai| jaba taka yaha deha hai taba taka 'rileTiva vyU poinTa' hotA hI hai| saMDAsa nahIM jAnA par3atA? khAnA nahIM par3atA? vaha 'rileTiva vyU poinTa' se hai, ataH AtmA dvaita hai| aura 'riyala vyU poinTa' se AtmA advaita hai| aura phira

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120 AptavANI-8 jaba yahA~ se mokSa meM jAtA hai, taba vahA~ para vizeSaNa hotA hI nhiiN| jaba taka baoNDI hai, tabhI taka vizeSaNa hai| baoNDI ke AdhAra para hI ye saba dvaita ke aura advaita ke vizeSaNa haiN| vahA~ mokSa meM jAne ke bAda vizeSaNa nahIM rhtaa| 'bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa' 'maiM' dvaita hU~ aura 'bAi riyala vyU poinTa' 'maiM' advaita huuN| yAnI ki 'maiM' dvaitAdvaita huuN| jaba taka baoNDI hai, taba taka sirpha advaita nahIM raha sktaa| yaha advaita kahane kA bhAvArtha kyA hai ki 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' meM upayoga mata rkho| aisA kahane ke lie yaha thA, isake bajAya yaha ulTA ho gayA, phaoNrina meM upayoga mata rakhanA aura 'homa' meM hI rho| 'homa', vaha advaita hai aura phaoNrina dvaita hai| abhI Apa phaoNrina ko hI 'homa' mAnate ho| 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' kahate ho| abhI taka 'homa' ko to dekhA hI nhiiN| 'homa' ko dekho to ciMtA nahIM hogI, akulAhaTa nahIM hogii| upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAle duHkha) meM bhI samAdhi rhegii| dvaita-advaita, donoM dvaMdva! eka bhAI AyA thA, mujhase kahatA hai, 'maiM advaita ho gayA huuN|' maiMne kahA, 'bhalA yaha zabda vApasa kahA~ se lAyA? kise advaita kaha rahA hai?' taba usane kahA, 'maiM dvaita meM nahIM rhtaa|' taba maiMne kahA, 'kisameM rahatA hai taba?' taba usane kahA, 'AtmA meM hI rahatA huuN|' are, aisA kahA~ se ho gayA? advaita akelA raha hI nahIM sktaa| advaita to AdhArita hai| use kisakA AdhAra hai? vaha dvaita ke AdhAra para hai| dvaita kA AdhAra hai, nahIM to advaita gira jaaegaa| yAnI advaita, vaha dvaita ke AdhAra para TikA huA hai| yaha to Apa advaita ho gae aisA kahate ho, yAnI Apa dvaita para dveSa karate ho| usase kyA hogA? Apa donoM lar3a pdd'oge| taba kahatA hai, 'hA~, ThIka hai| lekina hama to advaita ko nirapekSa mAnate the|' are, AdhArita vastu ko nirapekSa kaha hI kaise sakate haiM? advaita to sApekSa hai| kucha zabda aise haiM ki jo dvaMdvoM se pare haiN| yaha 'karuNA' jaise kuchakucha zabda haiM, ve dvaMdvoM se pare haiN| jaba ki advaita zabda to, dvaita hai to advaita

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AptavANI-8 121 hai, isalie ise dvaMdva kahate haiN| jaise fAyadA aura nukasAna, ye sabhI AmanesAmane do zabda hote haiM na, ve sabhI dvaMdva kahalAte haiN| yAnI ki dvaita hai to advaita hai| ataH vaha dvaMdva se pAra nahIM gayA hai, vaha abhI taka dvaMdva meM hI hai| advaita bhI dvaMdva kahalAtA hai, aisA Apako samajha meM AyA? jaise fAyadAnukasAna ye dvaMdva kahalAte haiM, acchA-burA, sukha-du:kha, ye dvaMdva kahalAte haiM, usI taraha se yaha dvaita-advaita kI jor3I bhI dvaMdva kahalAtI hai| jaise ki jahA~ para dayA hotI hai, vahA~ para nirdayatA avazya hotI hI hai| ataH yadi koI dayAlu vyakti ho to Apako samajhanA cAhie ki ohoho! inake aMdara nirdayatA bhI hai| isI taraha se dvaita aura advaita, ve dvaMdva meM hai| vaha dvaMdvAtIta dazA nahIM hai| yAnI ki jo 'maiM advaita hU~' kahate haiM, ve to abhI taka dvaMdva meM hI haiN| usa dvaMdva meM to phira kitanI sArI parezAnI hai? advaitavAle ko to rAta-dina dvaita kI hI kalpanA AtI rahatI hai ki 'yaha dvaita, yaha dvaita, yaha dvaita' pUre dina aise karatA rahatA hai| jaise dvaita use kATa khAnevAlA nahIM ho? yAnI ki yaha dvaita aura advaita, ye to dvaMdva haiN| usase bhI pare jAnA hai| dvaita use kahate haiM ki 'maiM aura karma, donoM haiM', ise dvaita kahate haiN| jaba ki advaitavAle kyA kahate haiM ki 'maiM hI hU~, karma jaisI cIz2a hai hI nahIM', yAnI ki vahA~ para to dvaita yA advaita akelA nahIM ho sktaa| kyoMki AtmA dvaitAdvaita hai| AtmA sirpha advaita nahIM ho sakatA aura sirpha dvaita bhI nahIM ho sktaa| vaha saMsArI kI apekSA se, isa vyavahAra ke kanekzana' meM AtA hai, taba vaha dvaita hai aura 'khuda' 'mUla svarUpa' meM rahe to advaita hai| ataH jaba hama 'khuda' 'apane' khuda meM rahate haiM, taba hama saMpUrNa advaita hote haiN| advaita kI anubhUti kaba? praznakartA : advaita kI anubhUti hotI hai? kise hotI hai? dAdAzrI : advaita kI anubhUti ho sakatI hai| dvaita kI anubhUti hone ke bAda phira advaita kI anubhUti hotI hai| yaha jo saMsAra hai, vaha dvaita svabhAvavAlA hai| isakI anubhUti ho jAne ke bAda advaita kI anubhUti hotI

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122 AptavANI-8 hai| vAipha ke sAtha bahasa nahIM hotI, pitA ke sAtha bahasa nahIM hotI, kisIke sAtha TakarAva nahIM hotA, aisI jaba anubhUti hotI hai, usake bAda advaita kI anubhUti hotI hai| aura dvaita kI anubhUti jise ho gaI, use hI advaita kI anubhUti hotI hai| advaita kA matalaba kyA hai? yaha use jAnanA caahie| yaha saba AtmA jAnane ke lie hai| AtmA nahIM jAnA to bhaTaka mare aura jise dvaMdva hai ve sabhI bhaTaka mre| jise dvaMdva hai, vaha advaita nahIM khlaataa| dvaMdva arthAt kyA? ki acchA-burA, fAyadA-nukasAna, jise aisA dvaMdva rahatA hai, vaha advaita nahIM khlaataa| dvaMdvAtIta hone se advaita __ advaita use kahate haiM ki jo dvaMdvAtIta ho cukA ho| advaita koI gappa nahIM hai| dvaita ke AdhAra para advaita TikA huA hai| kisake AdhAra para TikA praznakartA : dvaita ke AdhAra pr| dAdAzrI : hA~, yAnI ki vaha 'rileTiva' vastu hai aura 'rileTiva' vastu 'riyala' kabhI ho hI nahIM sktii| dvaita ke AdhAra para advaita TikA hai, yaha 'rileTiva' vastu hai| aura 'rileTiva' vastu 'riyala' nahIM ho sktii| aura AtmA 'riyala' hai| ataH ye jo advaita bolate haiM, ve sabhI bar3I-bar3I bAteM karate haiM, lekina bAta meM koI sAra nahIM hai| yadi advaita hai to hameM use sAbita karanA cAhie ki 'bhAI, Apa dvaMdvAtIta ho yA nahIM, yaha hameM btaao|' yadi vaha kahe ki, 'hama dvaMdvAtIta haiN|' taba hameM 'karekTa' mAna lenA caahie| dvaMdvAtIta to ho hI jAnA caahie| yaha dvaMdva hai, naphA-nukasAna, sukha-duHkha, sabhI se pare ho jAnA cAhie, usakA asara hI nahIM honA caahie| yAnI advaita kise kahate haiM? dvaMdvAtIta ho cukA ho use| use phira fAyadA yA nukasAna kucha bhI sparza nahIM krtaa| usakI jeba kaTa jAe phira bhI vaisA hI aura use phUla car3hAe taba bhI vaisA hii| gAliyA~ de taba bhI vaisA hI, dhaula mAre taba bhI vaisA hI, taba advaita khlaaegaa|

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AptavANI-8 123 sat prApta karavAne ke lie kaisI kAruNyatA to Apako advaita ko samajhanA hai na? 'ekjekTa' samajhanA ho to paddhatipUrvaka samajho, aura ApakI jo sthiratA hai use kho mata denaa| paddhatipUrvaka yAnI ki hama jo bAta kara rahe haiM vaha trikAla satya bAta hai| usameM koI badalAva nahIM ho sktaa| hama aMtima bAta karate haiM ki jisase loga saccI haqIqata ko prApta kreN| isa advaita kA bahuta ghusa gayA hai ! yaha to kahanA par3egA ki "advaita ko koI samajhanA cAhe, to yahA~ ina 'dAdA' ke pAsa aao| yaha galata kisalie pakar3akara baiThe ho?" aura zAyada kabhI koI virodha karane Ae to mujhe harja nahIM hai| vaha gAliyA~ de to bhI mujhe harja nahIM hai| use bhojana karavA deMge, isa taraha zAMta karake phira use bAta samajhA duuNgaa| vaha gAliyA~ degA to bhI mujhe nIMda AegI lekina maiM gAliyA~ dUMgA to use nIMda nahIM AegI, isalie maiM use duHkhI nahIM kara sakatA aura mujhe to nIMda A jAegI, yAnI ki sIdhA to karanA par3egA na? kaba taka yaha clegaa| isameM mujhe karanA nahIM hai| maiM to nimitta hU~ aura mujhe aisA Adeza milA hai| praznakartA : kisakA Adeza milA hai? dAdAzrI : dezakAla kA Adeza milA hai| praznakartA : yaha bAta ApakI 'sAinTiphika' hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'sAinTiphika' bAta hai| kyoMki koI bApa bhI UparI nahIM hai ki mujhe Adeza de, lekina dezakAla kA yaha Adeza milA hai| isa taraha kA Adeza hai', aisA kahate hI kisIko aisA lagatA hai ki inakA koI UparI hai! nahIM, hamArA koI UparI hai hI nhiiN| jo hU~, vaha maiM hI huuN| aura vyavahAra meM laghutama hU~ aura 'riyalI' 'spIkiMga' maiM gurutama huuN| phira jhaMjhaTa hI kahA~ hai? mujhe vyavahAra meM gurutama nahIM bananA hai| kyoMki vyavahAra meM jo gurutama bane haiM na, ve sabhI do pairoM meM se cAra pairavAle bana ge| vaha niyama hI aisA hai ki jo vyavahAra meM gurutama haiM ve cAra pairovAle ho hI gae haiM aura vyavahAra meM laghutama bhAva se rahe, tabhI hala aaegaa|

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124 AptavANI-8 ekAMtika mAnyatA se rukA, AtamajJAna aba eka kahatA hai, AtmA kartA nahIM hai aura dUsarA kahatA hai ki AtmA kartA hai, ve donoM hI pakSa meM par3e hue haiN| ve advaita ke pakSa meM par3e haiM aura ye dvaita ke pakSa meM par3e haiN| AtmA vaisA nahIM hai / AtmA dvaitAdvaita hai / isa deha kI apekSA se dvaita bhI hai aura khuda kI apekSA se advaita bhI hai| yAnI koI advaita kA pakSa le to AtmA prUva nahIM ho sakatA / advaitavAle ko dvaita ke vikalpa Ate rahate haiM / dvaitavAle ko advaita ke vikalpa Ate rahate haiN| aba vikalpoM se pAra jA nahIM sakatA / AtmA ko dvaitAdvaita kahA, taba vikalpoM se pAra gayA kahalAegA, nirvikalpI khlaaegaa| 1 yAnI ki 'jJAnIpuruSa' ' jaisA hai vaisA' kahate haiM ki AtmA dvaitAdvaita hai, dvaita bhI hai aura advaita bhI hai / yaha dvaitAdvaita kA vizeSaNa kaba taka lAgU hotA rahegA? jaba taka sAMsArika kAma meM hai, taba taka dvaita hai aura khuda ke sva-dhyAna meM hai, taba advaita hai| jaba taka yaha deha hai aura kevaLajJAna bhI hai, taba taka dvaitAdvaita kahalAtA hai / logoM ko manuSya bhI dikhatA hai aura logoM ko kevaLajJAnI bhI dikhate haiM / jisakI jaisI dRSTi, usa anusAra use vaisA hI dikhatA hai| yAnI ki AtmA advaita kabhI bhI banatA hI nhiiN| kyoMki yadi yahA~ se deha chUTa jAe aura mokSa ho jAe to vahA~ siddhagati meM jAne ke bAda yaha vizeSaNa usa para lAgU hI nahIM hogaa| jaba taka yaha deha hai tabhI taka vizeSaNa hai, aura donoM kArya karatA hai / isalie hameM vizeSaNa ko eksepTa karanA caahie| yaha to advaita ke gaDDhe meM gire, vaha ekAMtika kahalAtA hai aura dvaita ke gaDDhe meM gire, vaha bhI ekAMtika kahalAtA hai aura koI bhI ekAMtika mArga grahaNa kiyA to mokSa hAtha meM AegA nahIM / ekAMtika hue, AgrahI hue to satya vastu prApta nahIM hogI / satya vastu prApta ho, usake lie nirAgraha taka jAnA par3egA / Agraha hI ahaMkAra hai / I hara eka meM satya samAyA huA hai hI, lekina usake dRSTibiMdu ke anusAra hai| hara eka cIz2a usake apane dRSTibiMdu se satya hotI hI hai / aura yaha jo vyAvahArika satya hai na, vaha to bhagavAna kI bhASA meM asatya hI hai| yaha Apa kahate ho 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM falAne kA mAmA hU~' yaha saba

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AptavANI-8 125 bhagavAna kI bhASA meM asatya mAnA jAtA hai| yaha sApekSita hai, nirapekSa nahIM hai! kisI pakSa meM par3anA, vaha to galata hI hai, pakSa kA matalaba 'sTenDarDa' (kakSA, varga, zreNI) hai| aura 'sTenDarDa' meM rahe to ekAMtika kahalAegA, phira bhI logoM ko to jo niyama haiM na, utane meM hI rahanA caahie| aura AtyaMtika meM niyama nahIM hote, ve to anekAMta hote haiN| usameM kisI bhI prakAra kA Agraha nahIM hotaa| aura vaha 'ekz2ekTanesa' para calatA rahatA hai| usase AtyaMtika kalyANa hogaa| bAkI, ye sAre pakSa to 'sTenDarDa' haiN| niSpakSapAtI ho jAe, taba kAma kA hai| bhagavAna niSpakSapAtI haiN| jaba niSpakSapAtI ho jAegA, taba 'AuTa oNpha sTenDarDa' ho jaaegaa| maiM to jo 'karekTa' hai, vahI saba kahane AyA huuN| aura Apa aisA kahoge ki 'nahIM, merA saca hai|' to maiM Apake sAtha baiThA nahIM rahU~gA, mere pAsa aisA khAlI samaya nahIM hai| phira Apake sAtha vAda-vivAda meM nahIM pgaa| Apake 'vya poinTa' se Apa 'karekTa' ho aisA kahakara hama chor3a dete haiN| Apako yadi saca samajhanA ho to hama samajhAe~ge, nahIM to phira TAima bigar3egA, 'vesTa oNpha TAima enDa enarjI!' aisA ulTA jJAna to bahuta logoM kI dRSTi meM 'fiTa' ho cukA hai, maiM kahA~ vApasa sabako badalane jAU~? yaha to yadi Apako 'helpa' cAhie to Apa mujhase puucho| yAnI ki dvaita aura advaita ko samajhanA caahie| isa kAla meM advaita to bolA jAtA hogA? advaita to pahale bhI nahIM thA aura advaita to maiM bhI nahIM bola sktaa| hara eka bAta jo hai use kasauTI para lie bagaira eksepTa kareM to usakA koI artha hI nahIM hai| kasauTI para lenA nahIM Ae to 'yaha aisA hI hai', aisA nahIM kaha skte| phaoNrina ke sAinTisTa bhI 'yaha aisA hI hai' aisA nahIM khte| ve kaheMge, 'hameM yaha aisA lagatA hai|' brahma satya hai aura jagat bhI satya hai, lekina... yaha to bAta hI mUlataH galata hai, hI hai saarii| vaha bilkula galata

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126 AptavANI-8 bhI nahIM hai| sote hue mu~ha khulA raha gayA ho aura z2arA mircI DAleM to? to phira mithyA lagatA hai? brahma satya hai aura jagat mithyA hai, kahatA hai, aise mithyA lagatA hai kyA? yaha jagat 'rileTiva karekTa' hai| aura brahma 'riyala karekTa' hai| basa, itanA hI farka hai, aba agara dAr3ha du:kha rahI ho, taba 'mithyA-mithyA' kara to! kabhI ApakI dAr3ha du:khI hai? kyA usa samaya Apa aisA kahate ho ki yaha mithyA hai? aisA bolate ho? yAnI ki brahma bhI satya hai aura jagat bhI satya hai| dAr3ha kA ilAja karavAnA par3atA hai, nahIM karavAe~ge to muzkila ho jAegI! praznakartA : to yaha jagat satya hai yA mithyA hai? dAdAzrI : Apako satya lagatA hai yA mithyA lagatA hai? kaisA lagatA hai? ApakA anubhava kyA kahatA hai? praznakartA : mithyaa| dAdAzrI : Apako mithyA lagatA hai? abhI koI gAliyA~ de to Apa para asara nahIM hotA? abhI dhaula mAre to Apako asara nahIM hotA? praznakartA : asara hotA hai| dAdAzrI : to jagat ko mithyA kaise kaha sakate haiM? jo asaravAlA hai, use mithyA kaise kaha sakate haiM? asaravAlA hai, isalie yaha jagat mithyA nahIM hai| yadi jamAI mara jAe, to sAsa rotI hai yA nahIM rotI? yA phira Apa logoM meM rivAz2a hI nahIM hai aisA? praznakartA : rotI hai na! dAdAzrI : hA~, to ise mithyA kaise kaha sakate hai? yAnI yaha jagat satya hai, lekina vinAzI satya hai| jagat mithyA hai hI nhiiN| jagat mithyA jaisI vastu hI nahIM hai| jagat mithyA hotA na, taba to phira ye loga to na jAne kaba ke chor3akara cale

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AptavANI-8 127 gae hote! yaha jagat satya hai| yadi jagat mithyA hotA na taba to rAta ko manuSya so gayA ho aura mu~ha aise khulA huA ho, to aise dUra se itanI mircI mu~ha meM DAla do to zora macAegA yA nahIM macAegA? use nIMda meM se hameM uThAne jAnA par3egA? kyoM? apane jagAe binA hI usa para asara ho jAtA hai? use kaise patA calatA hai? yAnI mithyA hotA na to aisA kucha hotA hI nahIM na, dekho, jagat bhI satya hai na? lekina jagat rileTiva satya hai, brahma riyala satya hai| ___ praznakartA : brahma ke prakAza se prakAzita hai, isalie yaha jagat 'rileTiva' satya hai? dAdAzrI : haaN| usake prakAza se prakAzita hai, isalie yaha 'rileTiva' satya hai| aura 'rileTiva' satya isalie satya to hai hI, lekina vinAzI satya hai aura brahma, vaha avinAzI satya hai| yadi jagat mithyA hotA na, to loga isameM se AtmA le hI lete| lekina kyoMki yaha jagat bhI satya hai, isalie loga jagat ko chor3ate hI nhiiN| bAhara koI chor3ane kI bAta karatA hai? ye to kaheMge, 'calo, vahA~ baz2Ara meM calo dekhate haiN|' hama kaheM, 'bhAI, calo, mokSa detA huuN|' taba kahegA, 'rahane do na bhAI, mujhe merA kAma karane do na cupcaap|' ataH jagat satya hai| 'merI patnI. mere bacce' aisI bAta karate haiM na? aura strI ke pIche pAgala ho jAtA hai, mara jAtA hai aura AtmahatyA bhI kara letA hai! yadi mithyA hotA to koI karatA kyA aisA? mithyA to, yaha khaTamala mArane kI davA bhI mithyA nahIM hai| use pI jAe na, to patA cala jAegA ki mithyA hai yA nahIM? use pI liyA ho to 'ho-ho' karake rakha dete haiM na? yAnI ki brahma bhI satya hai aura jagat bhI satya hai? jagat 'rileTiva' satya hai aura brahma 'riyala' satya hai| vAstavikatA samajhanI to par3egI na! praznakartA : to phira 'jagat mithyA hai' aisA jo artha batAyA, vaha galata hI kiyA hai na?

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128 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : jisa kAla meM isa artha kI z2arUrata rahI hogI, usa kAla meM yaha artha kiyA hogaa| lekina 'ekjekTalI', yaha jagat kabhI bhI mithyA thA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : to mAyA ke kAraNa mithyA lagatA hogA? dAdAzrI : yaha mAyA nahIM hai! yaha mAyA to kise kahate haiM ki abhI jAdUgarI kare na, aura hAtha meM rupaye dikhAe, phira bhI Apa para kucha bhI asara nahIM ho, use mAyA kahate haiN| jise loga mAyA samajhate haiM na, aisI mAyA nahIM hai yaha jgt| mAyA kA matalaba kyA hai ki 'vastu' ko yathArtha rUpa meM nahIM samajhanA, use mAyA kahate haiN| yaha mAyA hI 'jaisA hai vaisA' yathArtha rUpa se samajhane nahIM detI, use mAyA kahate haiN| loga to mAyA ko kyA samajhate hai? kaheMge, 'aisA hI hai yaha sArA, yaha mAyA hI hai' lekina aisA nahIM hai| mAyA arthAt jo 'vastu' ko yathArtha rUpa se samajhane nahIM de, vahI mAyA hai| bAkI brahma satya aura jagat mithyA, vaha to tyAgI banAne ke lie ye saba bole the ki 'bhAI, yaha saba mithyA hai, isa mithyA meM se kyA pAnA hai? aba tyAgI banakara, tyAga karake kucha Age bddh'o|' isa hetu se logoM ne aisA kahA thaa| lekina vAstava meM to yaha jagat 'jaisA hai vaisA' hI use kahanA cAhie, tabhI phira usa rAste para calanA rAsa AegA na! varnA sabhI to ise mithyA nahIM mAnate haiM na! kucha hI loga mithyA mAnate haiM, aise bolate z2arUra haiM, lekina koI mithyA mAnatA nahIM hai| isa bacce ke hAtha meM pataMga de dI, to use kyA vaha pheMka degA? yadi hama kaheM ki mithyA hai, ise pheMka de|' to pheMka degA? vaha nahIM pheNkegaa| ataH jagat 'rileTiva' satya hai| hA~, use koI aisA nahIM kahatA ki yaha 'riyala' satya hai| kyoMki yaha pataMga to turanta phaTa jAtI hai na! aura usa ghar3I apane Apa hI prema chUTa hI jAtA hai na!! jaba ki jahA~ para avinAzI tatva hai, vahA~ para phaTane kI bAta hI nahIM hai na!!! ata: yaha jagat mithyA bhI nahIM hai| jagat 'rileTiva karekTa' hai aura AtmA

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AptavANI-8 129 'riyala karekTa' hai| 'rileTiva karekTa' yAnI vinAzI 'krektt'| vaha amuka kAlavartI hotA hai| koI sau varSa calatA hai, koI pA~ca sau varSa calatA hai, koI hajAra varSa calatA hai aura koI pA~ca hajAra varSa calatA hai, to koI pA~ca varSa calatA hai aura koI eka varSa bhI calatA hai| jo kucha kAla taka Tike, vaha sabhI 'rileTiva karekTa' hai aura jo trikAlavartI hai vaha 'riyala karekTa'! are, kucha loga to Akara mujhase kahate haiM ki, 'nahIM, lekina jagat to mithyA hI hai na!' taba maiMne kahA, yadi yaha mithyA hotA na to kyA kisIne rupaye rAste para bAhara pheMke haiM? yadi rAste para ghUmane jAe~ to paise milate haiM kyA? logoM ke paise khote hI nahIM hoMge na? paise kho jAte haiM, lekina paise vApasa milate nhiiN| yAnI yadi jagata mithyA hotA na to koI paisA letA hI nahIM! yAnI ki jagat mithyA nahIM hai, yaha to satya hI hai| lekina 'rileTiva' satya hai, vinAzI satya hai| brahma 'riyala karekTa' hai, aura yaha bAkI saba jo A~khoM se dikhatA hai, paMcendriyoM se anubhava meM AtA hai, vaha saba 'rileTiva karekTa' hai! galata to koI cIz2a hai hI nahIM isa jagat meM, lekina jaba taka bhautika sukhoM kI z2arUrata hai, vinAzI sukhoM kI z2arUrata hai, to isa 'rileTiva' satya meM baiThe raho aura taba taka 'rileTiva' meM bhaTakate rho| aura ina bhautika sukhoM ke pIche kitanI sArI ciMtAe~, upAdhi, nirI muzkileM mola lenI par3atI haiN| yaha sArI tar3aphar3AhaTa jaba manuSya anubhava karatA hai, taba samajha meM AtA hai ki kisa taraha sahana karatA hai| aura avinAzI sukha cAhie to jahA~ para trikAlavartI hai, vahA~ para jaa| yaha 'rileTiva' to 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' hai aura 'riyala', vaha 'homa DipArTamenTa' hai| isalie yadi 'ghara' jAnA ho to 'ghara' jAo aura phaoNrina meM rahanA ho to phaoNrina meM rho| bAkI, phaoNrina ko 'homa' mAnegA to usase tere dina nahIM bdleNge| 'sat' prApti ke bAda, jo 'satya' bacA vaha... satya aura mithyA, do vastue~ to haiM hI na? yA eka hI vastu hai? aba satya kA matalaba kyA hai, vaha Apako samajhAtA huuN| kyA nAma hai ApakA?

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130 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : cNduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : aba Apa kyA vAstava meM caMdUbhAI ho? praznakartA : jI haaN| dAdAzrI : ataH yaha satya hai| loga bhI kahate haiM, ki ye vAstava meM caMdUbhAI haiN| Apake phAdara bhI kahate haiM ki 'yaha vAstava meM caMdUbhAI hai|' ata: yaha satya hai| lekina yaha vinAzI satya hai| isa jagat kA jo satya hai, use ye korTa eksepTa kareMge, lekina bhagavAna ise eksepTa nahIM krte| aba, vAstava meM Apa caMdUbhAI nahIM ho| caMdUbhAI to ApakA nAma hai na? 'ApakA nAma caMdUbhAI hai' aura 'Apa khuda caMdabhAI ho'-ina do bAtoM meM Apako virodhAbhAsa nahIM lagatA yA virodhAbhAsa lagatA hai? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : yAnI isa jagat kA jo satya hai na, vaha bhagavAna ke vahA~ para vinAzI satya hai| yaha nAma, rUpa, sabakucha, jise satya mAnA jAtA hai na, vaha sabhI bhagavAna ke vahA~ para vinAzI hai| aura bhagavAna kA jo sat hai na, saccidAnaMda-usameM jo sat hai na, vaha sat avinAzI hai| to hama Apako avinAzI sat kI hI prApti karavAte haiM, taba phira yaha satya to khatma hI ho jaaegaa| sat arthAt kyA ki 'prmaanentt'| phira citta arthAt jnyaan-drshn| aura 'paramAnenTa' jJAna-darzana rahegA to hamezA AnaMda hI rhegaa| aba satya aura mithyA donoM Apako samajha meM AyA na, yA nahIM samajha meM AyA? yAnI isameM satya bhI hai aura mithyA bhI hai, donoM haiN| yaha, jise Apa satya mAnate ho, vaha mithyA sAbita huaa| lekina yaha mithyA aura kharA sat, ye donoM alaga haiM na vApasa! ye caMdUbhAI, yaha jo satya thA, vaha aba mithyA ho gyaa|

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AptavANI-8 131 aba kharA sat kyA honA cAhie? ye caMdabhAI 'rileTiva karekTa' haiN| aura 'riyala karekTa' kauna hai, usakA patA lagAnA bAkI hai| vaha maiM Apako batA detA hU~, vahI kharA sat hai, jo zAzvata sat hai| Apako sat saMjoga karanA hai na yA nahIM karanA? yA phira kabhI, yA kabhI bAda meM ho to harja nhiiN| abhI to bAla kAle haiM, jaldabAjI nahIM karanI ho to mata karanA! sapheda bAlavAloM ko ciMtA hotI hai! Apako bhI kAma nikAla lenA hai? aisA? ajJAna ne AvRta kiyA brahma ye sabhI zAstra brahma ko jAnane ke lie likhe gae haiN| brahma prApti karane ke lie hI ye saba zAstra likhe gae haiN| phira bhI brahma prApti nahIM huI, isalie to anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahA hai! jaba taka khuda ke svarUpa kA ajJAna jAegA nahIM, taba taka hala nahIM aaegaa| bAkI sabhI to kalpanAe~ haiN| logoM ne jo kalpanAe~ kI haiM na, una kalpanAoM kA to aMta hI nahIM Ae, aisA hai| praznakartA : to brahma prApti meM bAdhaka kauna hai? dAdAzrI : ajJAna bAdhaka hai| mala, vikSepa aura ajJAna, ye tIna cIjeM bAdhaka haiN| isalie loga kyA karate haiM ki mala, vikSepa ko nikAlate rahate haiM, lekina ajJAna nikAlane ke prayatna kisI bhI jagaha para nahIM ho paate| ajJAna nikAlane ke prayatna nahIM ho pAte, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? kyoMki aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' hote hI nhiiN| kisI hI samaya meM haz2AroM varSoM meM 'jJAnIpuruSa' avatarita hote haiM! bAkI to 'jJAnIpuruSa' hote hI nhiiN| jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' hote haiM, tabhI ajJAna jAtA hai aura ajJAna gayA to sabakucha gyaa| yAnI sabase bar3A bAdhaka kAraNa koI hai to ajJAna hai| vaha ajJAna gayA ki 'maiM kauna hU~', usakA use khuda ko bhAna ho jAtA hai| vaha bhAna hone ke bAda phira usakA lakSya nahIM jaataa| praznakartA : yAnI brahma prApti meM ahaMkAra hI AvaraNa hai, aisA kahA jA sakatA hai na?

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132 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : hA~, ahaMkAra AvaraNa hai z2arUra lekina AvaraNa ko ahaMkAra nahIM kahA gayA hai| anya bahuta sArI cIz2oM kA bhI AvaraNa hai| sirpha ahaMkAra akelA hI nahIM hai| khuda ke svarUpa kA ajJAna, vahI mukhya AvaraNa hai| eka hI bAra 'khuda kauna hai', aisA hamAre pAsa se jAna jAo, phira ajJAna calA jaaegaa| phira kisI taraha kI parezAnI nahIM rhegii| praznakartA : brahmaprApti kA phala kyA hai? dAdAzrI : brahmaprApti kA phala niraMtara paramAnaMda sthiti ! deha hotI hai, phira bhI janaka videhI jaisI sthiti rahatI hai, brahmamaya sthiti!! saMsAra phira use chUtA nahIM hai, sparza nahIM krtaa| koI phUla car3hAe to vaha bhI sparza nahIM karatA aura patthara mAre to bhI sparza nahIM krtaa| bheda, brahmadarzana-Atmadarzana kA praznakartA : brahmadarzana aura Atmadarzana meM kyA farka hai? dAdAzrI : Atmadarzana aura brahmadarzana meM bahuta farka hai| brahmadarzana se bhI Age jAnA pdd'egaa| jahA~ para trikAlI bhAva huA na, use brahmadarzana kahA hai, trikaaliibhaav| aura AtmA to paramAtmA hI hai, yadi kabhI mUla svarUpa meM A gayA to paramAtmA hI hai| aura brahma bhI parabrahma bana jAtA hai, kyoMki trikAlI bhAva meM A cukA hai n| tInoM hI kAla meM astitva hai! ___ pahale brahmaniSTha, phira AtmaniSTha isa brahmajJAna aura AtmajJAna meM bhI farka hai| brahmajJAna to AtmajJAna kA daravAz2A hai| vaha jaba brahmajJAna meM praviSTa hotA hai, usake bAda AtmajJAna hotA hai| praznakartA : ina donoM ke bIca meM kyA farka hai? dAdAzrI : yaha jo kisIko brahmajJAna hotA hai, vaha saba to sAdhanoM ke pariNAmasvarUpa khuda ke svarUpa para ekAgratA hotI hai| lekina svarUpa kA kyA hai? vaha bhAna nahIM ho paataa| svarUpa kA bhAna to AtmajJAna ho

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AptavANI-8 133 jAe, tabhI hotA hai| abrahma ko jAne, tabhI se brahmajJAna kahalAtA hai| abrahma ko jAne taba phira kauna-sA jJAna bAkI bacA? brhmjnyaan| yaha brahmajJAna to, saMsAra kI niSThA uThe usake bAda brahma kI niSThA baiThatI hai, logoM ko abhI kauna-sI niSThA hai? sAMsArika sukhoM kI niSThA hai, pA~ca indriyoM ke sukhoM kI niSThA hai| jisakI yaha niSThA badala jAe ki ye sukha jhUThe haiM, bhautika aura bekAra haiM, AtmA meM hI sukha hai, bhagavAna meM hI sukha hai, aisA pakkA ho jAe taba brahmaniSThA baiThatI hai| brahmaniSThA baiThe tabhI se use brahmajJAna kahate haiM, use brahmasvarUpa kahate haiN| aura phira AtmajJAna ho jAe, taba vaha AtmaniSTha puruSa kahalAtA hai, bhagavAna kahalAtA hai| use sakala paramAtmA kahA jAtA hai| AtmaniSTha meM buddhi hI nahIM hotii| buddhi calI jAe, usake bAda hI yaha prakAza hotA hai| brahmaniSTha meM buddhi hotI hai, isalie use yaha prakAza nahIM huA hai| brahma to zabda se bhI pare hai praznakartA : 'zabdabrahma' bhI hai na! dAdAzrI : lekina zabdabrahma kA matalaba kyA hai ki kAna meM sunAI detA hai usameM Apako kyA svAda AegA? yAnI ki yathArtha brahma kI AvazyakatA hai| aise brahma to bahuta haiN| zabdabrahma, nAdabrahma! lekina yathArtha AtmA kI AvazyakatA hai, jo agamya hai, zAstroM meM utara sake aisA hai hI nahIM, avarNanIya hai, avaktavya hai ! jahA~ para zabda bhI nahIM pahu~ca sakate, jahA~ para dRSTi bhI nahIM pahu~ca sakatI, vahA~ para AtmA hai aura vaha nirlepa bhAva se hai, asaMga bhAva sahita hai| aura zabdanAda vagairaha sabhI sTezana haiN| vaha koI bahuta bar3I cIz2a nahIM hai| use AtmA kI prApti nahIM kahA jA sktaa| AtmA to, prApta hone ke bAda phira kabhI jAe hI nahIM, use AtmA kahate haiN| eka kSaNa ke lie bhI vicalita nahIM ho, vaha AtmA hai| praznakartA : nAdabrahma kabhI sunAI detA hai? dAdAzrI : nAdabrahma to dUsarA sabakucha sunanA baMda kara do, taba sunAI

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134 AptavANI-8 degaa| kAna se anya kucha bhI nahIM sune to nAdabrahma sunAI degA, lekina dUsarA saba taraha-taraha kA sunane kI icchAe~ to bahuta sArI haiN| yaha jAnanA hai, vaha jAnanA hai, yaha sunanA hai aura vaha sunanA hai! koI aise hI bAta karane baiThe ki turanta pUchegA ki 'kyA huA? kyoM huA?' aba nAdabrahma to, aisI sabhI icchAe~ khatma ho jAe~gI taba nAdabrahma AsAnI se sunAI degaa| yaha to sahajasvabhAva hai| phira bhI nAdabrahma, AtmA nahIM hai| yaha to eka prakAra kA bAjA bajatA hai, ekAgratA karane kA sAdhana hai| AtmA to isase bhI Age, bahuta dUra hai| praznakartA : isa nAdabrahma kI kakSA ke sAtha AdhyAtmika vikAsa kA koI saMbaMdha hai kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, hai n| AdhyAtmika vikAsa ke lie ekAgratA kI z2arUrata hai, aura isameM se ekAgratA utpanna hotI hai| nAdabrahma se bahuta acchI ekAgratA utpanna hotI hai| ekAgratA utpanna ho jAe to adhyAtma zurU ho jAtA hai, nahIM to adhyAtma zurU hI nahIM hotA na! bAkI, AtmA to isase bhI bahuta dUra hai! praznakartA : jo zabdabrahma hai, isa zabda ke aMdara hI saba alagaalaga taraha se bAta karate haiM, lekina zabda kA sphoTa honA caahie| dAdAzrI : sphoTa ho cukA hai| unheM zabda kA sphoTa ho hI cukA hotA hai| yadi sahI hogA, yadi ve anubhava karavAnevAle hoMge to unameM zabda kA sphoTa ho hI cukA hogaa| bAkI, jo zabda anubhava nahIM karavAte, ve sabhI zabda galata hai| aura jahA~ para zabda bhI nahIM hotA, vaha aMtima bAta hai, niraalNb| nirAlaMba, vahA~ para zabda bhI nahIM hotaa| lekina zabda svarUpa prApta hone ke bAda manuSya nirAlaMba banatA hai| aho! aho usa dRSTi ko praznakartA : brahmamaya sthiti ho jAtI hai taba sabhI eka dikhate haiN| strI, strI nahIM dikhatI, puruSa, puruSa nahIM dikhatA, sabhI brahmasvarUpa dikhate haiN|

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AptavANI-8 135 I dAdAzrI : sabhI zuddha hI dikhatA hai / hameM kaisA dikhatA hai, vaha Apako batAtA huuN| hamArI jAgRti kaisI hotI hai? saMpUrNa jAgRti! ina logoM kI jAgRti kaisI hai? ve to abhAnatA meM aisA saba karate rahate haiM ki, 'maiM isa strI kA pati hU~, maiM isakA sasura hU~, maiM isakA mAmA hU~, maiM isa seTha kA naukara huuN|' aisA nahIM bolate hai? ye sabhI bhramita ke lakSaNa haiN| khuda kI sattA aura khuda kA bhAna nahIM hai ! hameM to sabakucha brahmamaya dikhatA hai / hamArI jAgRti kaisI hai ki hameM ye strI-puruSa pahale 'viz2ana' meM kaise dikhate haiM? kapar3e pahane hue nahIM dikhate, sabhI naMge dikhate haiN| phira dUsare 'vijana' meM yaha camar3I utAra dI ho, aisA dikhatA hai| phira tIsare 'viz2ana' meM hameM kyA dikhatA hai? aMdara kI A~ vagairaha saba, 'ekz2ekTa' yAnI aisA 'eksa-re' jaisA dikhatA hai / isalie phira hameM isameM kucha bhI rAga-dveSa nahIM hote / aura aMta meM sabhI meM brahmasvarUpa dikhatA rahatA hai! I praznakartA : ahaMkAra aura aham brahmAsmi, ina donoM meM kyA farqa hai? dAdAzrI : aham brahmAsmi, vaha khuda apane Apa kA aham karate haiN| aura ahaMkAra vaha hai ki jahA~ para khuda nahIM hai, vahA~ para usakA AropaNa karatA hai| sva-svarUpa sadhe jJAnI ke sAnidhya meM praznakartA : sva-svarUpa meM aMtaravRtti ho jAe, aisA kucha cAhie / dAdAzrI : 'svarUpa ko jAnate ho', kise kahA jAtA hai ? praznakartA : sAkSIbhAva ko / dAdAzrI : sAkSIbhAva, lekina vaha kaisA hai ? praznakartA : usake prakAza meM sabakucha hotA rahatA hai / dAdAzrI : lekina use pahacAnanA pdd'egaa| AtmajJAna ho jAe tabhI

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136 AptavANI-8 brahma ko pahacAnA jA skegaa| nahIM to brahma ko kisa taraha pahacAnA jA sakegA? AtmajJAna huA hai? praznakartA : vaha merI buddhi se bAhara kI bAta hai| dAdAzrI : yAnI Apa sAkSIbhAva kI bAta kara rahe ho, lekina 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa Ane se yahA~ para Apako sva-svarUpa prApta ho jaaegaa| dRSTiphera se dazAphera barte praznakartA : ye AtmA-paramAtmA, brahma-parabrahma ye sabhI eka hI zabda haiM yA paryAyavAcaka zabda haiM? dAdAzrI : ye sabhI paryAyavAcaka zabda haiN| paryAya arthAt avsthaa| AtmA kisI khAsa avasthA meM AtmA mAnA jAtA hai aura kisI anya avasthA meM vahI kA vahI AtmA paramAtmA mAnA jAtA hai, aura vahI kA vahI AtmA kisI khAsa avasthA meM mUr3hAtmA kahalAtA hai| mUr3hAtmA arthAt bahirmukhI AtmA, vaha bhI vahI kA vahI aatmaa| aMtarAtmA kahate haiM, vaha bhI vahI kA vahI AtmA hai| aura paramAtmA kahate haiM, vaha bhI vahI kA vahI AtmA hai| yAnI ki sirpha AtmA kI dazA meM farka hai| jaise yahA~ para eka vakIla ho, vaha pahale paisA nahIM kamAtA thA, dazA Ter3hI ho taba loga kahate haiM ki, 'yaha vakIla kucha nahIM kamAtA, kar3akA hai|' aba kucha acchA yoga baiThA aura vahI kA vahI vakIla phira ekadama se kamAne lagA, taba phira loga kaheMge, 'yaha vakIla bahuta buddhimAna hai, zrImaMta hai|' phira usa vakIla ke paise khatma ho jAe~ to kaheMge ki 'yaha to kaMgAla hai', lekina vastusthiti meM vaha 'khuda' vahI kA vahI hai| usI taraha se ye AtmA kI dazAe~ haiN| jaba taka 'ise' saMsAra ke sukhoM kI icchA haiM, taba taka 'vaha' mUr3hAtmA kahalAtA hai, bahirmukhI AtmA kahalAtA hai| praznakartA : aura jaba AvaraNa dUra ho jAe~, to vahI paramAtmA bana jAtA hai?

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AptavANI-8 137 dAdAzrI : lekina AvaraNa aise hI dUra nahIM ho jAte na! pahale usakI dRSTi badalatI hai| abhI dRSTi kaisI hai ki ApakI dRSTi isa 'sAiDa' meM hai, isalie isa tarafa kA hI dikhatA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' vahI dRSTi hai na ApakI yA kucha aura hU~, aisI dRSTi hai? praznakartA : AtmA bhI hU~ na! dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina abhI to 'caMdUbhAI' ke nAma kI ciTThI 'Apa' hI le lete ho na? abhI agara koI gAliyA~ de to Apa para asara hogA? praznakartA : hogaa| dAdAzrI : yadi Apa AtmA haiM to Apa para asara nahIM honA cAhie, ataH 'Apa' 'caMdUbhAI' ho| aba 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' bolane meM harja nahIM hai, vaha to maiM bhI qabUla karatA hU~ ki 'maiM e.ema.paTela hU~' lekina mujhe 'maiM e.ema.paTela hU~' aisI bilIfa nahIM hai| aura Apako 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisI bilIfa hai| mujhe eka bhAI aisA kaha rahe the ki, 'jIva aura brahma eka hI haiM, aisA to sirpha vedAMta meM hI kahA gayA hai| aura koI yaha jAnatA hI nhiiN|' maiMne kahA, 'jIva aura brahma donoM eka hI haiM, ise to sabhI jAnate haiN|' ye baDhe loga kahate haiM na, 'maiM mara jAU~gA, mara jAU~gA DaoNkTara saahb| mujhe bacAie?' jise mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki 'maiM mara jAU~gA', to vaha jIva hai| jise marane kA bhaya lagatA hai, ve sabhI jIva haiN| aura marane kA bhaya laganA baMda ho gayA to vahI kA vahI jIva phira brahma bana jAtA hai| khuda ziva hai, lekina bhrAMti se jIva hai praznakartA : brahma ko jIva kyoM bananA par3A? dAdAzrI : Apa to ziva hI ho lekina Apako 'maiM ziva nahIM hU~' aisA yaqIna ho gayA hai, bhrAMti ho gaI hai aapko| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA Apa mAnate ho| ina logoM ne nAma diyA to kyA hameM mAna lenA cAhie? Apa ziva hI ho, lekina agara jIva aura ziva kA bheda samajhoge tb|

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138 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : phira to advaita ho gayA na? dAdAzrI : jIva aura ziva kA bheda nahIM rahA to phira advaita bana jAtA hai| jaba jIva aura ziva eka hI rUpa meM bhAsita hoM, to vaha advaita hai| 'jIva alaga aura ziva alaga hai', vaha bhrAMti hai| praznakartA : lekina AtmA to ziva thA, vaha jIva kisa taraha se bana gayA? dAdAzrI : isa ulTI mAnyatA se, 'roMga bilIfa' se jIva bana gayA hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' isa 'roMga bilIfa' ko phrekcara kara dete haiM aura phira 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThA dete haiM, taba phira 'khuda' 'AtmA' hI bana jAtA hai vApasa, zivasvarUpa bana jAtA hai| jIva ko ziva banane meM dera hI nahIM lgtii| khuda hai hI ziva lekina use yaha bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai, yAnI ki sArI 'roMga bilIfa' baiTha gaI hai| vaha bilIfa badala jAe aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThe ki paz2ala solva ho jAtI hai| jAnakAra hI judA kara sakate haiM praznakartA : lekina bhautika jagat, jIva aura AtmA-ina tInoM kI paribhASA meM kyA farka hai? yaha jo bheda hai, vaha kisalie hai? dAdAzrI : jIva hI bhautika jagat hai| isameM bhautika jagat ko jAnane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| isameM farka kyoM kiyA? Apa btaao| praznakartA : jIva aura ajIva kI trh| dAdAzrI : lekina jIva, vahI bhautika hai| use jIvAtmA kyoM kahate haiM? taba kahe, 'bhautika kI tarafa usakI dRSTi hai aura bhautika meM hI usakA mukAma hai, isalie use jIvAtmA kahA hai|' jisakI bhautika sukha meM hI khuzI hai, ramaNatA hai, use jIvAtmA kahate haiN| aura use hI bhautika jagat kahate haiN| kyoMki jaba taka bhautika ho, taba taka bhautika ramaNatA hI rahatI

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AptavANI-8 139 hai| Apako samajha meM AyA? Apako yadi judA cAhie, judA karanA ho to judA kara duuNgaa| bAkI yaha bhautika jagat hai, vahI jIvAtmA hai| jisameM se yaha TemparerI sukha DhU~DhatA hai, 'rileTiva' sukha DhU~DhatA hai, vaha saba bhautika jagat hai| jahA~ se DhU~DhatA hai, vaha sArA hI bhautika jagat hai aura DhU~DhanevAlA bhI bhautika jagat hai| itanA yadi samajha meM A jAe to kAma ho jaae| praznakartA : zarIra meM jIva bhI A gayA, zarIra meM AtmA bhI A gayA aura zarIra meM bhautika jagat bhI A gayA, tInoM kA mizraNa A gyaa| dAdAzrI : sabakucha A gyaa| isa zarIra ke aMdara to pUrA brahmAMDa A gayA, kucha bhI bAkI nahIM hai| praznakartA : to aba ise hama judA kisa taraha se samajheM? ise judA rakhakara kisa taraha se samajheM? dAdAzrI : judA karane ke lie sAinTisTa' bananA pdd'egaa| isa aMgUThI meM sonA, tAMbA aura dUsarI sabhI do-tIna taraha kI dhAtue~ ikaTThI ho gaI hoM, to unheM isa mizraNa meM se alaga karanA ho to kisa taraha se judA kiyA jA sakatA hai? koI bhI AdamI judA kara sakatA hai? jo isakA jAnakAra hogA, vahI inheM judA kara skegaa| aise hI, isameM bhI jo jAnakAra hogA, vahI judA kara skegaa| bAkI, anya to koI judA nahIM kara sakegA na! bAkI agara khuda isameM mAthAkUTa karane jAegA na, to anaMta janmoM kI mAthAkUTa bekAra jAegI aura balki cupar3ane kI davAI pI jAegA to mara jaaegaa| cupar3ane kI davAI pI jAe, to usameM bhagavAna kA kyA doSa? jIva aura AtmA, nahIM haiM bhinna na hI abhinna praznakartA : yaha batAie ki jIva aura AtmA meM kyA farka hai? dAdAzrI : jaba taka saMsAradazA meM hai, taba taka jItA hai, maratA hai; taba taka jIva kahalAtA hai| saMsAradazA meM yAnI ki 'maiM saMsArI hU~' aura jaba taka saMsAradazA ko khuda kI dazA mAnatA hai, taba taka vaha jItA hai aura maratA hai, tabhI taka vaha jIva kahalAtA hai| aura jIne-marane kA baMda

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140 AptavANI-8 huA, taba se hI ziva kahalAtA hai, vaha zuddhAtmA kahalAtA hai| jIva sadA saMsArI hI hotA hai, karmasahita hotA hai aura AtmA karmarahita hotA hai| praznakartA : to jIva aura AtmA, ye donoM alaga hI hue na? dAdAzrI : jIva aura AtmA? nhiiN| vahI kA vahI AtmA jaba karmasahita ho, taba jIva kahalAtA hai aura karmarahita ho, taba AtmA kahalAtA hai| jaba karmasahita ho taba jItA aura maratA hai, vahI jIva hai| praznakartA : aura AtmA to amara hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha to amara hai| praznakartA : aura jIva usase cipakA huA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, cipakA huA nahIM hai| aisA hai, jIvAtmA, AtmA aura paramAtmA, aba inameM jo jIvAtmA hai, vaha karmasahita avasthA hai aura vaha ahaMkAra sahita hai| jo dehAdhyAsarUpI hai, vaha jIvAtmA kahalAtA hai aura jise ahaMkAra nahIM hotA, jInA aura maranA nahIM hotA, vaha AtmA hai| praznakartA : aura phira paramAtmA sTeja kauna-sI hai? dAdAzrI : paramAtmA to, use khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna ho gayA to AtmArUpa ho gayA, aura phira paramAtmApana prakaTa hotA hI rahatA hai| jaba 'phullI' prakaTa ho jAtA hai, taba 'phula' paramAtmA bana jAtA hai| yAnI jaba terahavA~ guNasthAna pUrA ho gayA, kevaLajJAna ho gayA, phira to 'phula' paramAtmA hI ho gayA! yAnI ki yaha jo jIva hai na vaha AtmA kI hI avasthA hai, lekina bhrAMta avasthA hai aura use jIva kyoM kahA? ki jo jItA hai aura maratA hai, usa avasthA ko jIva kahate haiN| aura AtmA zuddha cetanarUpa hai, vaha khuda hI paramAtmA hai, lekina aisA bhAna honA caahie| jaba taka bhAna nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka 'maiM AtmA hU~' itanI bhI qhabara nahIM hotii| 'maiM to jIva hU~' abhI taka aisA hI bhAna hai| AtmA kI bhrAMta avasthA meM hI 'maiM hU~' yAnI ki 'maiM jI rahA hU~, maiM mara jAU~gA' aisA mAnatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 141 Apako samajha meM AyA na? jIva aura AtmA, ye donoM eka vastu bhI nahIM haiM aura alaga bhI nahIM haiM / 'alaga' kaheMge taba to alaga vibhAga ho jAegA, aisA nahIM hai| aura yadi 'eka haiM' kaheMge to AtmA meM azuddhi utpanna ho gaI, AtmA ko bhrAMti utpanna huI, aisA kahA jAegA, lekina aisA bhI nahIM huA hai| kyoMki khuda AtmA huA hI nahIM hai| yaha to AtmA kI bhrA~ta avasthA utpanna ho gaI hai aura vahI jIva hai / yAnI jIva aura AtmA eka hI haiN| khAnA banAte samaya rasoI pakAnevAlI kahalAtI hai aura bAhara nAca karate samaya nAcanevAlI kahalAtI hai, lekina strI vahI kI vahI hai I maiM, bAvo, maMgaladAsa apane yahA~ pahale kahate the na, hama pUcheM 'kauna AyA?' taba kahatA hai, 'maiM AyA huuN|' taba pUcheM, 'maiM, lekina kauna ? bola na !' taba kahegA, 'maiM bAvo (sAdhu) / ' taba pUcheM ki, 'bAvo kauna?' taba kahegA, 'maiM bAvo maMgaladAsa / ' taba vaha pahacAna pAtA hai / varnA sirpha 'maiM' hI kahe to koI pahacAnegA nhiiN| maiM bAvo kahe, to bhI vaha kahegA ki, 'yaha bAvo AyA yA vaha bAvo AyA?' yAnI ki maiM, bAvo, maMgaladAsa, isa taraha se tIna bolegA, taba vaha pahacAnegA ki 'hA~, vaha maMgaladAsa bAvo / ' use aise chavi bhI dikhegI, phira daravAz2A kholegA / aura phira agara maMgaladAsa do-tIna hoM to aisA kahanA par3egA ki, 'maiM bAvo maMgaladAsa, mahAdevajIvAlA', taba pahacAna paaeNge| yAnI maiM bAvo maMgaladAsa / bolo, aba kitane loga hoMge? isameM maiM kauna? bAvo kauna? maMgaladAsa kauna? aisA Apane nahIM sunA hai? lekina Apako kAma meM nahIM AyA / aura maiMne to jaise hI sunA ki turanta mujhe kAma A gyaa| eka-eka vAkya sunatA hU~ aura mujhe vAkya kAma meM Ate haiN| rAste para se mile to bhI mujhe kAma meM A jAtA hai| yAnI ki 'maiM' kauna hai, use pahacAnanA to par3egA na? aura vaha usakI khuda kI samajha meM fiTa karanA par3egA na, ki 'maiM' kauna hai| isI taraha isameM 'maiM', vaha AtmA hai, isa 'maiM' ko pahacAna jAe to hala A jAe /

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142 AptavANI-8 .....aisA bhAna hone kI hI z2arUrata.... praznakartA : yAnI AtmA se hI paramAtmA banatA hai, aisA? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda hI paramAtmA hai| sirpha use bhAna ho jAnA caahie| Apako yadi bhAna ho jAe, eka minaTa ke lie bhI bhAna ho jAe ki 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' taba se hI Apa paramAtmA banane lagoge! praznakartA : to 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' aisA hama bola sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : Apa aisA kaho ki 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' to loga Apako DA~TeMge, gAliyA~ deMge, maz2Aka udd'aaeNge| jaba koI ApakA maz2Aka nahIM ur3Ae, Apako gAliyA~ nahIM de, taba 'maiM paramAtmA hU~', aisA khnaa| hama banAvaTI Ama lekara jAe~ to rasa nikalegA kyA? nahIM nikalegA na! aisA Apako samajha meM AtA haiM na? yAnI ki Apa paramAtmA hI ho, lekina Apa paramAtmA bana nahIM cuke ho| usa svarUpa kA Apako bhAna nahIM huA hai| abhI Apako 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA bhAna hai| 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAnA caahie| to aba kyA 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' aisA Apase aisA bolA jA sakatA hai? praznakartA : nahIM kaha skte| dAdAzrI : hA~, nahIM to loga maz2Aka udd'aaeNge| ye loga to, agara yathArtha bAta ho, sahI ho to usakA bhI maz2Aka kareM, aise haiM / yaha to duniyA hai| isakA to aMta nahIM hai| __ aba 'Apa AtmA ho' isakA vizvAsa ho gayA hai? 'Apa AtmA ho' kA Apako kyA anubhava huA? kisa taraha se bharosA huA? praznakartA : itanA bharosA to hai ki aMdara AtmA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina yaha bharosA huA kaise? aisA koI tharmAmITara nahIM AtA ki aise rakheM ki turanta hameM patA cala jAe ki aMdara AtmA hai? tharmAmITara hotA hai aisA?

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AptavANI-8 143 praznakartA : manuSya ke mara jAne ke bAda usakA hAtha bhI kAma kA nahIM rahatA, kucha bhI kAma kA nahIM rhtaa| dAdAzrI : vaha to jIvAtmA hai, vaha mara gyaa| usase Apane ApakA AtmA jAna liyA? Apako kyA aisA anubhava hai ki 'maiM AtmA hU~?' praznakartA : maiM kahatA hU~ ki mujhe AtmA kA anubhava hai, Apa kahate haiM ki mujhe anubhava nahIM hai| to mujhe kisakA anubhava hai, yaha btaaie| dAdAzrI : aisA hai, Apako abhI jIvAtmA kA anubhava hai| lekina vaha mUla AtmA nahIM hai| mUla AtmA cetana hai aura jIvAtmA nizcetana-cetana hai| pUrI duniyA nizcetana-cetana ko cetana mAna baiThI hai, isalie pha~sI hai| nizcetana-cetana arthAt cetana jaise sabhI lakSaNa dikhate haiM, calatA-phiratA huA bhI dikhatA hai lekina yaha cetana nahIM hai| AtmabhAna hone para, khuda amara praznakartA : falAne manuSya meM se jIva calA gayA isalie vaha mara gayA, aisA kahate haiN| to isameM jIva aura AtmA, ye donoM eka haiM yA alaga haiM? yadi donoM eka haiM, to kauna-sI sthiti ko jIva kahate haiM? kaunasI sthiti ko AtmA kahate haiM? dAdAzrI : jo jItA-maratA hai, use jIva kahate haiM aura jo jItA bhI nahIM aura maratA bhI nahIM, vaha AtmA kahalAtA hai| jIva to 'TemparerI eDajasTamenTa' hai, vaha avasthA mAtra hai| praznakartA : jIva aura AtmA eka zarIra meM se nikalakara dUsare zarIra meM cale jAte haiM, jaba taka mokSa nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka? dAdAzrI : vaha to sirpha jIvAtmA akelA nahIM, bAkI kA sabhI kucha sAtha meM jAtA hai| karma-varma sabhI jAte haiN| jaba taka mukti nahIM hotI, karmarahita nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka sabakucha sAtha-sAtha ghUmatA hai| kie hue karma sAtha ke sAtha hI rahate haiN|

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AptavANI-8 sirpha 'khuda kauna hai?' itanA hI jAna lenA hai| agara 'tU' jIva hai aura jI rahA hai to mara jAegA aura agara 'tU' AtmA hai to amara ho jaaegaa| jIvana, vaha avasthA hai aura jo jItA - maratA hai use jIva kahate haiM / saMsArI avasthA meM jIva kahalAtA hai / usameM pApa-puNya sabakucha eka sAtha hotA hai, paudgalika vastu sAtha meM hotI hai, karmasahita hotA hai, use jIva kahate haiN| 144 praznakartA : to mana kise kahate haiM ? dAdAzrI : mana to, jisameM vicAra Ate haiM na use mana kahate haiN| mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra, ye to aMta:karaNa kI cIjeM haiM / aura jIva to, ina sabakA jo UparI hai, vaha khuda hI jIva hai, aura AtmA vaha alaga cIz2a hai| jIva se AtmA alaga hai| yaha jo jItA - maratA hai, vaha jIva hai / AtmA maratA nahIM hai| 'AtmA' to amara hai aura vahI 'apanA' svarUpa hai| praznakartA : to jIva hI pudgala kahalAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, jIva hI pudgala kahalAtA hai / lekina hameM jIvaMta dikhatA hai| calatA hai, phiratA hai, bolatA hai, sabakucha karatA hai / lekina hai yaha pudgl| jIva arthAt sirpha putalA khar3A ho gayA hai! bhrAMti TUTane se miTeM bheda praznakartA : jIva ko paramezvara kisa prakAra se kaha sakate haiM? jIva to eka AbhAsa hai| dAdAzrI : bhedabuddhi se jIva kahA jAtA hai| jaba taka bhedabuddhi hai ki maiM alaga hU~ aura bhagavAna alaga haiM, taba jIva kahalAtA hai, aura abheda buddhi ho jAe ki 'maiM hI bhagavAna hU~' taba zivabuddhi ho jAtI hai| praznakartA : 'maiM AtmA hU~' usa dRSTi se AtmA meM bheda nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : 'maiM AtmA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAe na to jIva-ziva kA bheda khatma ho jAe!

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AptavANI-8 145 praznakartA : yaha ThIka hai| lekina jIva aura paramezvara, inameM kyA farka hai? dAdAzrI : jo jIva hai, vaha ina vinAzI cIz2oM ko bhoganA cAhatA hai aura use vinAzI cIz2oM meM zraddhA hai| aura paramezvara ko avinAzI meM hI zraddhA hai aura paramezvara khuda ke avinAzI pada ko hI mAnate haiM, vinAzI cIz2oM kI unake lie koI qImata nahIM hai, farka sirpha itanA hI hai| 'jIva' yAnI ki vaha 'khuda' bhrAMti meM hai, usa bhrAMti ke cale jAne ke bAda ina vinAzI cIz2oM kI sArI mUrchA khatma ho jAtI hai, taba 'khuda' hI 'paramezvara' bana jAtA hai! vItarAga hone ke lie sabase pahale ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda honA caahie| ArtadhyAna aura raudradhyAna baMda ho jAe~ to ciMtA hotI hI nahIM, saMsAra meM rahane ke bAvajUda ciMtA nahIM hotii| ciMtA ho to usakA artha hI kyA hai? bhagavAna mahAvIra kA siddhAMta itanA sarala hai, lekina yadi 'jJAnI' mileM to| aura yadi 'jJAnI' nahIM mile to karor3oM upAya karane se bhI bhagavAna ke siddhAMta kA eka aMza bhI prApta nahIM ho skegaa| 'maiM-tU' ke bheda se, anubhUti nahIM hotI yAnI ki bhagavAna kI bhakti karanA acchA hai| usase hameM bhautika sukha milate haiM, Age kA rAstA milatA hai| adhyAtma ke rAste para Age bar3hatA jAtA hai, acchA saMga milatA jAtA hai, satsaMga bhI milatA jAtA hai| lekina vahA~ para anubhUti nahIM hai| anubhUti to, jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi Tale taba anubhUti kahalAtI hai| isameM se Apako eka bhI vAkya pasaMda AyA, jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi kA? tabhI anubhUti kahalAegI na! nahIM to mAnI huI anubhUti sArI galata hai na? aisI jhUThI anubhUti to bahuta logoM ne bahuta rakhI huI haiM aura ve bAz2Ara meM se le Ae hote haiN| dUsare logoM dvArA pheMkI huI, becI huI, use ye loga kharIdakara le Ate haiM ! yAnI ki jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi calI jAnI caahie| ataH akhA ne yahI kahA hai na ki, 'jo tU jIva to kartA hari, jo tU ziva to vastu khrii|'

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146 AptavANI-8 sahI kahatA hai na akhA? yAnI ki jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi chUTI to phira tU zuddhAtmA hai, tU hI paramAtmA hai! jaba ki yaha to kahegA, 'bhagavAna judA aura maiM judaa|' lekina jaba jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi samajha meM A jAegI ki inameM koI bheda hai hI nahIM, taba ho jAegA mukta! bAta ko eka dina samajhanA to par3egA na? varnA, aMta meM AtmA to jAnanA paDegA na? AtmA ko jAne na, to jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi TUTa jAegI, aura jIva-ziva kI bhedabuddhi TUTI to bhaya TUTa jAegA, aura phira vItarAgatA rhegii| __bhagavAna judA aura maiM judA, kaheMge to kaba pAra AegA? vaha to anaMta janmoM se hai hI na! vaha to maiM aura tU, do haiM hI na! 'tU hI, tU hI' kitane hI janmoM se gAtA A rahA hai| Apa hI to isa duniyA ke mAlika ho! lekina yaha to pUrA mAlikIpana hI ur3a jAtA hai! kisa taraha kA hai yaha? yAnI ki 'maiM hI ziva hU~' aisA bhAna honA cAhie, usIko anubhUti kahate haiN| maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAe, vahI anubhUti hai| maiM jIva hU~', aisA bhAna to jIvamAtra ko hai hii| ...lekina rAstA eka hI hai praznakartA : jIva aura ziva kA bheda manuSyadeha ke alAvA aura kisI deha meM tor3A jA sakatA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aura kisI deha meM nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : sUkSmadeha se tApasa kara sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : tApasa? yaha jAnane ke lie? nhiiN| isa bheda ko tor3ane ke lie tApasa kA to kAma hI nahIM hai| vaha bhI nahIM kara skegaa| praznakartA : isa bheda ko tor3ane ke lie sUkSma kriyAe~ hotI haiM? ise sUkSma deha se jAnA jA sakatA hai?

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AptavANI-8 147 dAdAzrI : aisA hai, sirpha 'jJAnIpuruSa' khuda adhika Age kA jAnane ke lie saba kara sakate haiN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' meM jIva-ziva kA bheda jA cukA hotA hai, phira bhI usake Age kA jAnanA ho to dUsare sUkSma tarIqoM se Age kA sabakucha jAna sakate haiN| bAkI, tApasa to kucha bhI nahIM jAna sktaa| praznakartA : lekina sUkSmadeha se bhI jIva-ziva kA bheda TAla sakate haiM yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| TAla sakate haiM, lekina vaha unakI mAnyatA ke anusAra TAlA huA hotA hai| sAikolojikala, aisA calegA nahIM na! yaha to jJAna se paddhatipUrvaka honA cAhie, usake tarIke se honA caahie| vedAMta kaho yA jaina kaho, anya kucha kaho, lekina rAstA eka hI hai| usakA jJAna eka hI prakAra kA hai| praznakartA : yAnI manuSya deha meM hI yaha jIva-ziva kA bheda TUTa sakatA hai, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : manuSya deha ke alAvA anya kisI bhI deha meM yaha ho hI nahIM sktaa| praznakartA : devagati meM? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vahA~ bhI kucha nahIM ho sktaa| devagati meM nahIM ho sktaa| devagativAle itanA hI kara sakate haiM ki vahA~ para devagati meM rahate hue darzana karane jAnA ho to yahA~ para A sakate haiN| yAnI ki devagativAle yahA~ para darzana karane A sakate haiN| praznakartA : videhI sthitivAlA jIva-ziva kA bheda miTA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : videhI? videhI to khuda hI ziva ho cukA hotA hai| jisameM jIva-ziva kA bheda khatma ho gayA hai aura phira khuda zivasvarUpa ho cukA hai, vahI videhI kahalAtA hai| aise apane yahA~ para janakarAjA ho cuke haiN|

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148 AptavANI-8 kartA - bhoktA, yaha avasthA hai jIva kI yAnI jIva to usakI ajJAna mAnyatA hai ki maiM mara jAU~gA, isalie jIva to, jaba taka hai taba taka jItA hai, nahIM to mara jAtA hai / jIe-mare, usa avasthA ko jIva kahate haiM / aura ajanma - amara, vaha AtmA kahalAtA hai, ziva kahalAtA hai| zuddhAtmA ziva hai / 'khuda ziva hai' aisA samajhe to ho gayA kalyANa / yaha 'maiM kara rahA hU~, maiM bhoga rahA hU~' jaba taka aisA bhAna hai taba taka jIva hai| jIva kartA - bhoktA hai, aura jaba se 'akartA - abhoktA ho gayA', aisA usakI zraddhA meM baiTha jAe, taba se hI vaha AtmA ho gyaa| pratIti meM baiThA taba se hI AtmA ho gyaa| phira abhI rUpaka meM Ae yA na bhI Ae, vaha bAta alaga hai / kyoMki rUpaka z2arA dera se aaegaa| praznakartA : kauna-sI avasthA ko jIva kI avasthA kahA hai, yaha samajha meM nahIM AyA? dAdAzrI : kartA-bhoktA, vaha jIva kI avasthA hai|'yh maiM kara rahA hU~, yaha maiM bhoga rahA hU~', vaha jIva kI avasthA hai| 'yaha maiM kara rahA huuN| yaha maiM bhoga rahA hU~', ise vinAzI avasthA kahate haiM / 'maiM mara jAU~gA' aisA bolatA hai yA nahIM bolatA? aura 'maiM to abhI paMdraha sAla taka jIU~gA ' aisA bhI bolatA hai na ? praznakartA : hA~, bolatA hai / dAdAzrI : vahI jIva hai praznakartA : jIva khuda hI kartA hai ? dAdAzrI : 'maiM kartA hU~, maiM bhoktA hU~' aisA use bhAna hai| jo jIne kI vAMchanA karatA hai aura marane kI icchA nahIM karatA, vaha jIva hai / AtmA to akartA-abhoktA hai / Apako jIva-ziva kA yaha bheda samajha meM AyA ?

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AptavANI-8 149 virodhAbhAsI vyavahAra kA aMta kaba AegA? isIlie kahA hai ki, 'jo tU jIva to kartA hri|' aura 'jo tU ziva to vastu khrii|' tU khuda hI zivasvarUpa bana gayA to vastu phira koI hai hI nahIM, bApa bhI UparI nahIM hai| jaba taka jIva hai, tabhI taka yaha bhautika sukha aura ye sAre riztedAra acche lagate haiN| ye mere samadhI Ae', samadhI Ae to usameM bhI kho jAtA hai| jisameM bhI kho jAtA hai na, usa svarUpa ho jAtA hai| to samadhI Ae~, to bhI samadhI meM kho jAte haiM, aise loga haiN| phira kyA kahate haiM ki, 'kartA miTe to chUTe karma, e che mahAbhajanano mrm|' mahAbhajana kA marma kauna-sA? yadi karma nahIM chUTe to karma ke adhIna kartA aura kartA ke adhIna karma, karma ke adhIna kartA aura kartA ke adhIna karma, kaisA cakkara hai| kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa kaoNz2ez2a, kaoNz2ez2a enDa iphekTa, iphekTa enDa koNj'ej'|' aura usameM ye sabhI loga kartApana sikhalAte haiM, kartA banAte haiN| ye chor3o, acchA kro|' aba eka tarafa karma chor3ane haiM aura eka tarafa yaha karanA hai| praznakartA : virodhaabhaas| dAdAzrI : hA~, isalie yaha gAr3I kAzI taka pahu~catI nhiiN| kitane hI janmoM se logoM kI gAr3iyA~ pahu~catI hI nhiiN| are...ArAma se na jAne kauna-se gA~va meM par3I hotI hai, to kAzI taka kisIkI bhI pahu~cI hI nhiiN| isalie maiM Apake lie kAzI kA pAsaporTa banA detA hU~ aura vaha pAsaporTa hI Apako kAzI taka le jaaegaa| gAr3I ke pahiye nahIM le jAe~ge, lekina yaha pAsaporTa hI le jaaegaa| kyoMki 'kartApana' chUTa jAtA hai| taba phira rahA hI kyA isa duniyA meM? ulTI mAnyatAe~, 'jJAnI' hI chur3avAe~ praznakartA : merA aisA mAnanA hai ki jo yaha saba karavAtA hai, vaha jIva hI karavAtA hai|

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150 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : lekina karanevAlA kauna hai? jIva karavAe to karanevAlA kauna hai? vAstava meM to yaha jIva bhI nahIM krvaataa| praznakartA : nahIM, jIva hI karavAtA hai| dAdAzrI : vaha to Apako aisA lagatA hai ki yaha jIva karavA rahA hai praznakartA : isalie aisA lagatA hai ki jIva ko pahale kaMTrola meM lo, to phira Age bar3hA jA skegaa| dAdAzrI : are! jIva karavAtA hI nahIM hai na becArA! jIva meM saMDAsa jAne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai, vaha to aTake taba patA calegA ki yaha merI zakti nahIM hai| phira jaba DaoNkTara davAI de, taba peTa sApha hotA hai| praznakartA : lekina hameM aMdara se kahatA hai na ki saMDAsa jAnA hai tabhI saMDAse jAte haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha bAta to sahI hai| preraNA to aMdara se hI hotI hai| lekina jIva kI khuda kI saMDAsa jAne kI sattA nahIM hai| jIva dUsarI sattA se calatA hai| isameM AtmA kI bhI sattA nahIM hai| jo aMdara se kahatA hai, vaha ThIka hai| usakA matalaba kyA kahanA cAhate hai? aMdara jo preraNA hotI hai na, vaha preraNA jaba hotI hai taba mana turanta hI indriyoM se kaha detA hai ki aisA karanA hai| taba phira sabhI indriyA~ taiyAra ho jAtI haiN| yAnI ki aMdara kI preraNA-zakti se sabakucha calatA rahatA hai| praznakartA : lekina jIva ko 'kaMTrola' meM lo tabhI Age bar3hA jA sakatA hai na? dAdAzrI : isa jIva ko 'kaMTrola' meM lekara to dekho na! yaha to saMDAsa jAne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai| jIne kI bhI zakti nahIM hai aura marane kI bhI zakti nahIM hai| yadi marane kI zakti hotI na to maratA hI nhiiN| lekina aisI koI zakti hai hI nhiiN|

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AptavANI-8 151 praznakartA : vaha zakti kisake pAsa hai ? dAdAzrI : isI zakti ke bAre meM maiM Apako batA rahA hU~ aura usa zakti se hI yaha sArA jagat cala rahA hai| praznakartA : usa zakti ko hama bhagavAna kahate haiM I dAdAzrI : hA~, use pUrI duniyA bhagavAna kahatI hai / lekina vaha zakti to jar3azakti hai| vaha jar3azakti hai, isalie hama use bhagavAna nahIM kahate / jagat ke logoM meM to samajha nahIM hai na, isalie use hI bhagavAna mAnate haiM, bhagavAna ke alAvA aura karegA hI kauna ? lekina vaha dUsarI zakti karatI hai| vaha maiM Apako dikhA duuNgaa| praznakartA: dUsarA maiM aisA bhI samajhatA thA ki jo saba AvaraNavAlA hai, use jIva kahate haiN| aura AvaraNa jaise-jaise TUTate jAte haiM, taba jIvAtmA meM se AtmA banatA hai I dAdAzrI : aisA hai, kitane hI logoM kI mAnyatA aisI hotI hai ki AvaraNasahitavAle ko jIva kaho aura nirAvaraNa ko AtmA kho| lekina maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki AvaraNasahita hone ke bAvajUda bhI AtmA prApta hotA hai, taba phira yaha koI naI hI cIz2a hogI na? praznakartA : yaha to nayA hI khlaaegaa| varnA hameM jo samajhAyA gayA hai ki samudra meM pAnI hai, usameM pavana se jaba lahareM uThatI haiM, taba jo lahara hai vaha AtmA hai aura samudra paramAtmA hai| : dAdAzrI ye to saba vikalpa haiM, pAgala jaise vikalpa ! hA~, AvaraNavAle ko jIva kahanA cAhie aura jo nirAvaraNa ho use AtmA kahanA cAhie, isa vikalpa ko hama calA sakate haiN| bAkI, anya aise vikalpa to kAma ke hI nahIM hai / AtmA jAnA jA sake, aisI vastu nahIM hai| varlDa meM haz2Aro varSoM meM kabhI hI AtmajJAnI, koI ekAdha manuSya hI hote haiM, anya koI manuSya nahIM ho sakatA, yaha aisI bejor3a cIz2a hai| bejor3a yAnI jo advitiya ho /

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152 AptavANI-8 bhrAMti kA, kitanA adhika asara praznakartA : jIva vahI ziva hai aura AtmA vahI paramAtmA hai to phira ye eka-dUsare ko mAra DAlate haiM, khUna kara DAlate haiM, duHkha ho jAe aisA karate haiM, aisA kisalie? dAdAzrI : yaha to prakRti kI lar3AI hai, AtmA kI lar3AI nahIM hai| prakRti lar3atI hai| jaise ye putale lar3ate haiM, aisA hai| jaba taka yaha bhrAMti hai taba taka 'yaha mere beTe kA beTA mara gayA!' lekina ohoho! AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI rahA, lekina paikiMga mara jAtI hai aura phira ronA-dhonA macAte haiM ki 'mere beTe kA beTA, ikalautA beTA thaa|' jaise vaha khuda kabhI maranevAlA hI nahIM ho, aise rotA hai| 'vastu' eka, dazAe~ aneka anaMta AtmAe~ haiM aura una sabhI meM bhagavAna hone kI qAbilIyata hai lekina abhI mUr3hAtmA dazA meM haiM, bahirmukhI AtmA hai| bahirmukhI AtmA kA matalaba hI mUr3hAtmA hai| bahirmukhI arthAt TemparerI vastu meM sukha DhU~DhatA hai ki 'yaha merA hai, isameM se sukha milegA, aise sukha milegA' aura anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahA hai, lekina kisI meM bhI sukha nahIM milatA, taba phira ukatA jAtA hai| phira bhI vApasa kahegA, isameM se sukha milegaa| lekina aisI kitanI cIz2e haiM, bahuta sArI anaMta cIz2e haiM, unameM se eka ko haTAtA hai aura vApasa dUsarI le letA hai| ise haTAtA hai aura phira duusrii| aise karate-karate kAla bIta rahA hai, lekina kisI bhI jagaha para sukha nahIM miltaa| sabhI bhautika sukha vinAzI haiM aura ye kalpita sukha haiM, ye sacce sukha nahIM haiN| kalpita arthAt Apako jo khIra bhAtI hai, vahI kisI aura ko khAnA acchA nahIM lagatA, aisA hotA hai kyA? praznakartA : hotA hai| dAdAzrI : jaba ki saccA sukha to sabhI ko acchA lgegaa| yadi

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AptavANI-8 153 vaha sanAtana sukha, saccA sukha ho na to sabhI ko acchA lgegaa| yaha to kalpita sukha hai| hara eka kA alaga-alaga hotA hai| kucha jAtiyoM meM sirpha 'vejITeriyana' hI khAte haiM aura kisI anya jAti ko dUsare hI prakAra kA khAnA acchA lagatA hai| yAnI ki hara eka kI alaga-alaga kalpita vastue~ haiN| ataH jaba taka kalpita sukha bhogane kI icchA hai, jaba taka usakI tamannA hai, taba taka jIvAtmA kI taraha rahatA hai| taba taka vaha jIvAtmA kahalAtA hai| phira jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ taba aMtarAtmA bana jAtA hai| yahA~ para aMtarAtmA banane ke lie to saMtapuruSa se bhI kAma nahIM clegaa| saMtaparuSa to use Age le jaaeNge| phira aMtarAtmA banane para usakI ina bhautika sukhoM kI icchA khatma ho jAtI hai aura khuda ke AtmA kA sukha, sanAtana sukha prApta karane kI icchA ho jAtI hai| aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' thor3Abahuta sukha use cakhA dete haiM, taba phira vahI bhautika sukha use acchA nahIM lgtaa| jaise Apa subaha cAya pIte ho| lekina agara cAya pIte samaya kisIne jalebI lAkara rakhI, to Apa kyA viveka rakhoge? pahale kyA khAoge? jalebI khAoge yA cAya pIoge? praznakartA : caay| dAdAzrI : pahale cAya piioge| kisalie? ki jalebI khAoge to cAya phIkI lgegii| aura phira usameM patnI kI bhUla nikAlatA hai ki yaha cAya phIkI kyoM banAI hai? aba phIkI lagatI hai, vaha to jalebI ke kAraNa hai| isI prakAra jaba AtmA kA sukha cakhatA hai, taba ye bhautika sukha phIke par3a jAte haiM, isIlie phira use inameM ruci nahIM rahatI, isameM acchA nahIM lagatA, phira bhI vaha bhogatA z2arUra hai| lekina jaba yaha acchA nahIM lagatA, taba aMtarAtmadazA ho jAtI hai| __ yAnI jaba taka use bhautika sukhoM kI AvazyakatA hai taba taka bahirmukhI AtmA hai| aura jaba khuda kA svarUpa jAna jAtA hai ki, 'bhAI, yaha maiM nahIM hU~, maiM to zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM to hamezA ke lie hU~ aura mujhe isa saMsAra kI koI cIz2a nahIM cAhie', taba aMtarAtmadazA ho jAtI hai| aMtarAtmadazA do kAma karatI hai| eka to bhautika saMbaMdhI, vyavahAra ke lie

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154 AptavANI-8 kAma karanA par3atA hai, taba usakA 'khuda' kA usa tarafa kA upayoga hai aura 'khuda' kA kAma karanA par3e, taba 'isa' tarafa upayoga rakhatA hai| isa prakAra do upayoga rakhatA hai| upayoga to eka hI hotA hai, lekina jisa samaya kucha TAima milA, vaise saMyoga mila gae to isa tarafa upayoga rakhatA hai aura ye saMyoga mila jAte haiM to isa tarafa upayoga rakhatA hai| aMtarAtmA arthAt 'inTarima gavarnamenTa' kI sTeja hai| phira dhIre-dhIre bAhara kA, saMsAra kA nikAla karatA hai, vaise-vaise aMtarAtmA meM se dhIre-dhIre 'phula gavarnamenTa' banatI jAtI hai| aba Apako aura kyA pUchanA hai? praznakartA : maiM yahI kanpharma karanA cAhatA hU~ ki jIvAtmA, aMtarAtmA aura paramAtmA, ye eka hI vastu ke tIna alaga-alaga nAma haiM? dAdAzrI : eka hI vastu ke tIna vizeSaNa haiN| ghara para beTe kA bApa kahalAtA hai aura vahA~ apanI dukAna para gayA to seTha kahalAtA hai aura korTa meM vakIla kahalAtA hai| 'are, kyoM yahI ke yahI pitA, yahI ke yahI seTha aura yahI ke yahI vakIla, aisA kyoM bola rahe ho?' taba kahatA hai, 'jaise-jaise kAma haiM, usake anusAra unakA vizeSaNa hai|' jaise saMyoga use milate haiM, dukAna milI to seTha kahalAtA hai, korTa meM vakAlata karane gayA to vakIla kahalAyA, yaha saba bhI usI prakAra kA hai| yAnI loga jIvAtmA kahate haiM aura AtmA kahate haiM, ye saba eka hI cIz2a hai| jaise Apako sabhI loga prophesara kahate haiM, lekina ghara meM bacce? praznakartA : pApA kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : haaN| aura kaoNleja meM prophesr| usI taraha kauna-kauna se kArya ke adhIna ho Apa, usake adhIna hI ye sabhI vizeSaNa die gae haiN| jisa taraha 'Apa' vahI ke vahI haiM, lekina eka jagaha para pApA ho aura eka jagaha para prophesara ho, usI taraha isameM bhI kAma ke anusAra vizeSaNa hai| jaba taka aisA mAnA hai ki pudgala meM hI, vinAzI cIz2oM meM hI sukha

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AptavANI-8 155 hai, taba taka vaha jIvAtmA hai| aura yaha mAnyatA pUrI huI aura sanAtana meM sukha hai aisI mAnyatA zurU huI, taba aMtarAtmA bana gyaa| aura paramAtmA arthAt kyA? jo vItarAga ho cuke haiM, kisIke sAtha rAga-dveSa nahIM hai to ve paramAtmA kahalAte haiN| taba phira aMtarAtmA kauna hai? taba kahate haiM, vItarAga banane kI jise dRSTi hai, vaha aNtraatmaa| aura ina bhautika sukhoM meM jise maz2A AtA hai aura rAga-dveSa hI karatA rahatA hai, vaha jIvAtmA hai| yaha Apako samajha meM AyA na? praznakartA : mAyA ke itane sAre AvaraNa hote haiM.... dAdAzrI : ye sabhI mAyA ke hI AvaraNa haiM na! praznakartA : ina mAyA ke AvaraNoM ke kAraNa phira vaha aMtarAtmadazA meM jA nahIM pAtA athavA aMtarAtmadazA se Age usakI 'progresa' nahIM ho paatii| dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha to aMtarAtmA ho gayA, isalie 'progresa' to hamezA hotI hI rhegii| lekina yadi 'progresa' nahIM ho rahI hai, to aMtarAtmA huA hI nahIM hai| aMtarAtmA, vaha 'parataMtra-svataMtra' banatA hai| kucha aMzoM taka svataMtra hotA hai, to phira vaha 'progresa' kyoM nahIM kara sktaa| sabakucha kara sakatA hai| yAnI abhI taka aMtarAtmA haA hI nahIM na! abhI taka to jIvAtmA hI hai| abhI taka 'jIva aura ziva meM kyA farka hai', use jAnA hI nhiiN| yaha eka hI vastu hai, jaba taka bhautika sukhoM kI icchA hai taba taka jIva hai, aura khuda ke sukha kA bhAna ho jAe aura usa tarafa mur3e, taba ziva hai| vahI kA vahI jIva aura vahI kA vahI ziva hai| jaba taka karma bA~dhatA hai taba taka jIva hai aura karma ba~dhanA ruka jAe, to vaha ziva bana gyaa| mukta puruSa ko bhaje to mukta hotA hai praznakartA : aba AtmA saccidAnaMda svarUpa hai aura jIva paMcaklezavAlA hai, to yaha jIva saccidAnaMda svarUpa kisa taraha se bana sakegA? dAdAzrI : jise bhajatA hai vaisA bana jAtA hai| saccidAnaMda ko bhaje

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156 AptavANI-8 to saccidAnaMda bana jAtA hai aura luTere ko bhaje to luTerA bana jAtA hai| jIva kA svabhAva aisA hai ki jise bhaje vaisA bana jAtA hai| mukta puruSa ko bhaje to mukta ho jAtA hai aura baMdhe hue ko bhaje to baMdhanavAlA bana jAtA hai| yAnI ki jo saccidAnaMda svarUpa ho cuke haiM, yadi unheM bhajoge to Apa bhI una jaise bana jaaoge| dazA phera ke lakSaNa praznakartA : jIvAtmA meM se aMtarAtmadazA kI tarafa jAtA hai taba usameM kauna-se parivartana dhyAna dene yogya hote haiM? dAdAzrI : jIvAtmA meM se aMtarAtmA banatA hai, taba kauna-kauna se parivartana dhyAna dene yogya hote haiM, aisA? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : usakI vRttiyA~ bAhara jAne se ruka jAtI haiM, jo vRttiyA~ bAhara jA rahI hoM ki 'aisA karU~, vaisA karU~, aisA kareM, vaisA kareM' ve saba vApasa lauTatI haiN| jaise ki ye gAyeM subaha carane jAtI haiM, aura phira zAma ko vApasa lauTatI haiM na? usI taraha vRttiyA~ vApasa lauTane lagatI hai| taba hameM samajhanA cAhie ki yaha bhAI 'zuddhAtmA' hone lagA hai| vRttiyA~ jo bAhara bhaTaka rahI thIM, ve bhaTakanI baMda ho gaI aura khuda ke ghara kI tarafa vApasa lauTane lgiiN| Apa apanI vRttiyoM ko dekhoge, jA~ca karoge to Apako bhaTakatI huI lageMgI ki yaha to eka isa tarafa bhaTaka rahI hai, aura eka isa tarafa bhaTaka rahI hai, bar3e-bar3e nAztAhAusa hote haiM na, vahA~ bhI bhaTakakara AtI hai, isa taraha bhaTakatI haiM yA nahIM bhaTakatI? bar3e-bar3e acche nAztAhAusa hoM aura eka dina cakhakara A gayA ho to vaha vRtti vApasa vahA~ bhaTakatI hai| yAnI sabhI vRttiyA~ bhaTakatI rahatI haiM aura aMtarAtmA ho gayA ki vRttiyA~ vApasa lauTane lagatI haiN| praznakartA : aMtarAtmA meM se paramAtmA kI tarafa jaba pragati hotI hai to usa samaya kauna-se khAsa parivartana dhyAna dene yogya hote haiM?

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AptavANI-8 157 dAdAzrI : aisA hai, astitva, vastutva aura pUrNatva, ye tIna 'greDezana' haiN| to astitva to, jIvamAtra ko khuda ke astitva kI khabara rahatI hI hai ki, 'maiM huuN|' yaha 'maiM hU~' aisI khabara rahatI hai yA nahIM? sirpha manuSyoM ko hI nahIM, jAnavaroM ko bhI 'maiM hU~' aisA bhAna hai| isa per3a ko bhI 'maiM hU~' aisA bhAna hai| yAnI ki jIvamAtra ko astitva kA bhAna hai| aura jaba vaha aMtarAtmA bana jAtA hai, taba vastutva kA bhAna ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM kauna hU~' taba phira pUrNatva to apane Apa sahaja hI hotA rahatA hai| astitva se lekara vastutva taka kA hI puruSArtha hai| phira vaha dhIre-dhIre Age bar3hatA hI jAtA hai| isa taraha se yaha dRSTiphera hai| isa tarafa jAnA hai usake bajAya dUsarI tarafa jAtA hai, aura aisA mAnakara jAtA hai ki isI rAste dvArA merI paripUrNatA hai| jaba use koI 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAte haiM, taba use vApasa mor3ate haiM aura usakI dRSTi isa tarafa badala dete haiM, taba phira jIvAtmA kI dazA TUTatI hai aura jaba mUla sthAna para AtA hai taba usakI aMtarAtmadazA ho jAtI hai| phira vRttiyA~ saba vApasa lauTane lagatI haiN| jaise hI 'vaha' vApasa lauTA, vaise hI vRttiyA~ bhI vApasa lauTatI haiM aura phira apane Apa sahaja hotA jAtA hai| aMtarAtmA ho jAne taka, 'inTarima gavarnamenTa' taka 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA AsarA lenA par3atA hai| aura 'inTarima gavarnamenTa' kA sthApana ho gayA to 'phula gavarnamenTa' hotI jAtI hai| khuda khuda kI pUrNAhuti, jJAnI ke nimitta se praznakartA : Apa to parama AtmA haiM aura hama jIva haiM, itanA 'Dipharansa' hai, hama meM aura ApameM! dAdAzrI : yaha 'Dipharansa' hai| lekina yahA~ para darzana karane se, jJAna lene se 'Apa' 'aMtarAtmA' bana jaaoge| aMtarAtmA, vaha 'paramAtmA' ko dekha sakatA hai| aura dekhane se vahI' rUpa 'khuda kA' hotA jAtA hai| isase jyAdA aura kyA cAhie Apako? abhI to kitanI sArI 'roMga bilIfa' baiThI huI haiM! ye 'roMga

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158 AptavANI-8 bilIfa' hameM phrekcara karanI haiM aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThAnI haiM, yAnI phira Apa aMtarAtmA ho jAte ho, phira pUrNAhuti apane Apa hotI hI rhegii| aura yaha koI a~dhera rAja nahIM hai| maiM eka ghaMTe meM mokSa detA hU~, to yaha a~dhera rAja se nahIM hotaa| aisA pahale kabhI huA hI nahIM hai, maiM to nimitta huuN| yaha to apavAda mArga hai| jahA~ niyama hote haiM na, vahA~ para apavAda hue bagaira rahatA hI nhiiN| aisA hI yaha apavAda mArga hai aura isakA nimitta maiM bana gayA huuN| pratIti paramAtmA kI, prApta karavAe pUrNatva jaba mUr3ha dazA meM AtA hai, taba mUr3hAtmA kahalAtA hai| maiM caMdUlAla hU~, maiM kalekTara hU~', ise kyA kaheMge? vaha mUr3hAtmA kI mUr3ha dazA hai, jo nAzavaMta cIz2oM meM sukha mAnatA hai| khuda avinAzI hai aura nAzavaMta vinAzI hai, ina donoM kA guNana kabhI ho hI nahIM sktaa| phira bhI bhrAMti se bhautika meM sukha mAnatA hai, isIlie mUr3hAtmA kahA hai| ___aba 'jJAnIpuruSa' jaba use paramAtmA kI pratIti karavAte haiM ki 'yaha sArA jagat terA nahIM hai, tU khuda hI paramAtmA hai', taba 'maiM-pana' paramAtmA ke sAtha abheda ho jAtA hai| zurUAta meM saMpUrNa abheda nahIM ho pAtA, pratItibhAva se abheda hotA hai| sabase pahale pratItibhAva se hai, phira jJAnabhAva se abheda hotA hai| arthAt pahale pratIti baiThanI cAhie ki 'maiM paramAtmA huuN|' abhI to 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', yaha roMga bilIfa baiThI huI hai| 'maiM kalekTara hU~', yaha roMga bilIfa hai| ye sabhI roMga bilIfa 'jJAnIpuruSa' phrekcara kara dete haiM aura rAiTa bilIfa baiThA dete haiM, vaha 'khuda' ise eksepTa karatA hai, khuda ke mana-buddhi-citta-ahaMkAra sabhI ise eksepTa karate haiM, 'khuda' saMzayarahita ho jAtA hai, ni:zaMka ho jAtA hai, taba kAma hotA hai| ye to anaMta janmoM ke saMzaya bhare hue haiN| una sabhIko 'jJAnIpuruSa' phrekcara kara dete haiM, taba 'khuda' saMzayarahita ho jAtA hai, aura taba paramAtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai| vaha jo zraddhA baiThatI hai, vaha rAiTa bilIfa hai|

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AptavANI-8 159 pratyeka AtmA svataMtra hai, siddhakSetra meM bhI praznakartA : sabhI AtmA alaga-alaga haiM yA sabhI eka paramAtmA ke hI rUpa haiM? dAdAzrI : vyavahAra se sabhI alaga haiN| nAma rUpa dekhane jAe~ to vyavahAra se saba alaga haiM, 'riyalI' eka hI hai| 'rileTivalI' alaga-alaga haiM aura 'riyalI' eka haiM to Apako kyA jAnanA hai? praznakartA : yaha brahma hai, inheM eka meM se aneka hone kI icchA kyoM huI hogI? 'ekoham bahusyAm' aisI icchA kyoM huI unheM? dAdAzrI : yaha to aisA hai na, ki vaha khuda eka hI hai| aneka kabhI huA hI nahIM, eka hI hai| lekina bhrAMti se aneka ho gayA hai, aisA dikhatA hai| yaha eka hI svabhAva kA hai| isa sone kI cAhe kitanI bhI silliyA~ hoM aura sabako ikaTThA kareM, to sArA eka hI hai na? aura isameM pItala mila jAe to nukasAna hai| sabhI bhagavAna hI haiM, bhagavAna svarUpa hI haiN| lekina yaha alaga dikhatA hai, usakA kAraNa bhrAMti hai| praznakartA : yAnI sabhI meM jo cetana tatva upasthita hai, vaha eka hI dAdAzrI : hA~, eka hI hai| lekina eka hI yAnI ki svabhAva se eka hai| praznakartA : phira jaba dehotsarga hotA hai, taba vaha cetana jo ki calA jAtA hai, usakA phira ekIkaraNa nahIM ho jAegA? usakA astitva alaga kisa taraha se raha sakegA? dAdAzrI : isa jagat meM sabakucha alaga hai| yahA~ para bhinnatA lagatI hai na, vaisI vahA~ para bhI bhinnatA hai| vahA~ para alaga yAnI ki svabhAva se saba eka hI lagatA hai, lekina astitva se to alaga hai, khuda kA sukha anubhava karane ke lie vaha khuda alaga hai|

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160 AptavANI-8 svabhAva se eka hI haiM, lekina yaha to bhedabuddhi se judAI lagatI hai| jaba taka apanI buddhi hai, tabhI taka yaha daqhala rahatI hai| buddhi khatma huI ki phira abhedatA mahasUsa hotI hai| buddhi kyA karatI hai? bheda DAlatI hai| yAnI ki buddhi ke cale jAne ke bAda yaha bAta samajha jAegA, aisA hai| Apa kahate ho usa prakAra se yadi 'Upara' ekIkaraNa honevAlA hotA to koI mokSa meM jAtA hI nahIM na! yadi aisA hI honA hotA, eka hI dIyA ho jAnevAlA hotA, to phira vahA~ hameM kyA fAyadA? usake bajAya yahA~ para vAipha DA~TegI, lekina pakaur3e to banAkara degii| yaha kyA burA hai? yAnI ki vahA~ para eka nahIM ho jAnA hai| vahA~ para kisI taraha kA duHkha nahIM hai| vahA~ para niraMtara paramAnaMda meM rahanA hai| aura phira hara eka AtmA svataMtra hai| eka svabhAva ke haiM, lekina haiM sabhI alg| yAnI ki vahA~ para yadi eka ho jAnevAlA hotA to phira yahA~ ke AtmA kA kyA hogA? praznakartA : lekina cetana eka prakAra kA ho to usakA astitva alaga-alaga kisa taraha se raha sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : alaga hI rahatA hai to phira vaha eka kisa taraha se ho sakegA? eka ho hI nahIM sakatA! ye sone kI sabhI silliyA~ alaga-alaga hotI haiM, lekina kahalAtA hai sArA sonA hI, isI taraha se yaha kahA jAtA hai ki AtmA eka hai| lekina yoM ina silliyoM kI taraha saba alagaalaga haiN| una sabhI meM anya koI farka nahIM hai| yaha to hameM buddhi se ulTe pAse dikhate haiN| bAkI vahA~ para siddha sthiti meM sabhI apane-apane sukha meM hI rahate haiN| bhedabuddhivAle ko yaha bAta samajhane meM bahuta duvidhA hotI hai| aneka hone ke bAvajUda eka hai, yaha bAta bahata samajhane jaisI hai aura bahuta sUkSma bAta hai| nahIM to vahA~ para yadi sabhI eka ho jAte, to usameM hameM kyA milA? aura aisA maiMne bhI bacapana meM sunA thA ki dIye ke sAtha dIyA mila jAtA hai| taba usase mujhe kyA milA? hameM jo mokSa kA sukha cAhie, aura yadi hameM kisI meM samA jAnA ho, to usase hameM kyA sukha milA? bhagavAna ke

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AptavANI-8 161 sAtha abheda ho gae to usameM apanA kyA rahA? aura sabhI bhagavAna hI haiM na! ye rAmacaMdrajI mokSa meM gae to mokSa kA sukha abhI ve khuda bhoga rahe haiN| aura hama loga yahA~ para haiM, to hameM yahA~ kI parezAniyA~ rahatI haiM, ve bhoganI par3atI haiN| ___aura saMsAra meM bhI, brahmAMDa meM bhI AtmA eka nahIM hai, anaMta jIva haiM, lekina haiM sabhI eka svabhAva ke| unake jo guNadharma haiM, unameM kabhI bhI farka nahIM aataa| bAta to vaijJAnika honI cAhie na? praznakartA : lekina merA aisA mAnanA hai ki paramAtmA tatva ke alAvA anya kucha bhI nahIM hai aura hama jise AtmA kahate haiM vaha anya kucha bhI nahIM hai, lekina vaha paramAtmA kA AvirbhAva hai| dAdAzrI : aisA mAnanA, lekina sAtha-sAtha duHkha kA vedana hai yA nahIM? yadi AtmA, vaha paramAtmA kA AvirbhAva hai, taba phira kyA Apako duHkha kA anubhava hotA hai? praznakartA : hA~, duHkha kA anubhava hotA hai| dAdAzrI : duHkha kA anubhava hotA hai, to phira eka se sau taka ke sabhI aMka mAnane pdd'eNge| aura yadi duHkha kA anubhava nahIM hotA to phira nahIM mAnoge to clegaa| nahIM to eka se sau taka ke sabhI aMka mAnane pdd'eNge| paiMtAlIsa ke bAda chiyAlIsa AnA cAhie aura chiyAlIsa ke bAda saiMtAlIsa AnA cAhie, sabakucha paddhatipUrvaka honA caahie| isa taraha gappa ThokanA nahIM clegaa| bAkI saba meM calegA, lekina vijJAna meM thoDI-sI bhI gappa nahIM clegii| praznakartA : to isakA artha yaha huA ki AtmA, paramAtmA se vibhakta ho cukA, eka alaga tatva hai? dAdAzrI : vibhakta nahIM, AtmA hI paramAtmA hai aura jIvAtmA hI paramAtmA hai| sirpha samajha kA farka hai| vaha jaba ghara para hotA hai taba loga

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162 AptavANI-8 kaheMge ki 'yaha to isa strI kA pati hai|' aura dukAna para jAe taba kahate haiM, 'yaha seTha hai|' korTa meM jAe taba kahate haiM, 'yaha vakIla hai|' lekina vaha khuda vahI kA vahI hai| yAnI ki vahI kA vahI jIvAtmA, vahI kA vahI aMtarAtmA aura vahI kA vahI paramAtmA hai| aura vaha jo kAma kara rahA hai usa kAma ke AdhAra para usake vizeSaNa haiN| nahIM ho sakate AtmA ke vilInIkaraNa praznakartA : to yaha bAta to ThIka hai ki AtmA paramAtmA meM vilIna hotA hI hai, lekina vaha eka janma meM nahIM to dUsare janma meM, nahIM to tIsare janma meM? dAdAzrI : nahIM. nhiiN| vahA~ para vilInIkaraNa hai hI nhiiN| AtmA khada hI paramAtmA hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', abhI Apako aisA bhAna hai| jaba 'maiM AtmA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAegA, taba Apako paramAtmA kA bhAna hogaa| yaha AtmA hI paramAtmA hai| ApakA AtmA, vaha bhI paramAtmA hai, inakA AtmA bhI paramAtmA hai| bAkI yaha vilInIkaraNa to sArA ina saba logoM ne likhA hai na, usase logoM ke dimAg2a khatma kara die haiN| AtmA ke vilInIkaraNa hote hoMge? yahI kA yahI AtmA, lekina usakA bhAna nahIM huA hai| abhI AtmA kI amAnatA meM ho, AtmA kA bhAna nahIM hai| abhI 'Apako' 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA bhAna hai, 'maiM desAI hU~' aisA bhAna hai, lekina 'maiM AtmA hU~' aisA bhAna nahIM hai na! ye sabhI (mahAtmA) Apake aMdara baiThe hue AtmA ko dekha rahe haiM, aura vahI paramAtmA hai| yadi vilInIkaraNa karanA ho na, taba to ye paramAtmA dikheMge hI nahIM na! inheM to bakarI meM bhI paramAtmA dikhate haiN| bakarI meM baiThe hae pare hI paramAtmA dikhate haiM, gadhe meM bhI paramAtmA baiThe hue haiN| yAnI ki vilInIkaraNa jaisI bAta hI nahIM hai| yaha sabakucha jo par3hakara lAe ho na, vaha eka tarafa rakha denaa| jise bilone para thor3A-sA bhI makkhana nahIM nikale, usakA kyA karanA hai? pheMka denA, girA denA caahie| aura Upara se yaha to kI huI mehanata

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AptavANI-8 saba bekAra gaI aura dimAg2a meM akar3a car3hI ki 'maiM kucha jAnatA hU~!' are, kyA jAnatA hai tU? ThokareM khA-khAkara to dama nikala gayA! ThokareM khAtA hai to dama nikala jAtA hai yA nahIM nikala jAtA? aura mana meM na jAne kyA mAna baiThatA hai! 163 praznakartA : lekina aisA jo kahA hai na ki jo pratyeka AtmA hai, vaha eka hI AtmA kA AvirbhAva hai, brahma kA AvirbhAva hai aura bAda meM phira usameM mila jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : kisane kahA hai Apase aisA? praznakartA : aisA par3hA hai ki hara eka AtmA jo hai, vaha brahma meM vilIna ho jAtA hai| vaha jaba pUrNatA kI prApti karatA hai na, taba brahma meM vilIna ho jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : to phira apane hisse meM kyA rahA? praznakartA : brahmamaya ho jAte haiM na ! dAdAzrI : usameM apane lie kyA bacA lekina? praznakartA : hameM apanApana khonA hai aura Izvarapana prApta karanA hai I dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina yaha to apane ko Izvara meM samAviSTa ho jAnA hai, usase apane ko kyA fAyadA milA? isake bajAya to apanA yaha svataMtra vyaktitva to hai, to abhI laDDU, pakaur3e sabakucha milatA hai| sirpha do gAliyA~ de dete haiM, utanA hI jhaMjhaTa hai na? aura kyA jhaMjhaTa hai ? aura ye loga bhI kyA kahate haiM ki, 'agara yahA~ ke bajAya vahA~ para sukha z2yAdA ho, tabhI hama mokSa meM jAe~ge aura vahA~ para ekAkAra ho jAnA ho to hameM nahIM jAnA hai|' teja mila jAe teja meM, to khuda kA kyA rahA? praznakartA : lekina 'aham brahmasm'i kahanevAle teja meM mila jAnevAlI bAta karate haiM ki mokSa arthAt teja meM mila jaanaa| to mokSa aura teja meM mila jAnA, ye donoM eka hI mAne jAte haiM yA kyA?

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164 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : ve loga jise mokSa kahate haiM ki mokSa yAnI teja meM mila jaanaa| vaha mokSa vAjabI nahIM hai| vItarAgoM ne mokSa ke bAre meM batAyA hai na, ki vahA~ siddhagati meM bhI khuda kA alahadA anubhava hai, yaha 'karekTa' vastu hai| hameM alahadA anubhava nahIM ho pAe aura vahA~ para mokSa meM sabake sAtha eka ho jAnA ho, taba to mokSa meM jAne kA artha hI nahIM hai, 'mIniMgalesa' bAta hai| yAnI ki ye binA socI samajhI bAteM haiM saarii| sanAtana sukha meM DUbe rahanA, vahI mokSa praznakartA : to Apake hisAba se mokSa kise mAnA jAegA? dAdAzrI : mokSa yAnI ki 'no baoNsa', 'no anDarahenDa' aura 'paramAnenTa' khuda ke svAbhAvika sukha meM hI rhe| aura vahA~ para svataMtra, saba apanI-apanI taraha se sukha bhogate haiN| hara eka siddha apanI-apanI sthiti meM hote haiN| praznakartA : to vahA~ para itane sAre siddhAtmAe~ alaga-alaga taraha se baratate haiM? dAdAzrI : alaga-alaga taraha se nhiiN| sabhI eka hI svabhAva ke haiM, aura ve eka hI prakAra se haiN| unameM jJAna, darzana aura sukha hotA hai, cAritra unameM nahIM hai| yahA~ para tIrthaMkara bhagavAna hote haiM, to ve jJAna-darzana aura cAritra sahita hote haiM, aura deha sahita hote haiN| vahA~ para siddhoM meM cAritra nahIM khlaataa| vahA~ para to niraMtara khuda ke svAbhAvika sukha meM hI rahate haiN| yAnI ki vahA~ para ekAkAra nahIM ho jAnA hai| vahA~ para Apa apanA sukha svataMtra prakAra se bhoga sakate ho| siddhagati meM sabhI siddha svataMtra rUpa se hI haiN| aura khuda ke sukha kA hI anubhava kara rahe haiM, niraMtara paramAnaMda kA anubhava kara rahe haiN| unake eka minaTa kA sukha yadi isa duniyA para par3e, zAyada kabhI Tapaka par3e, to pUrI duniyA hajAroM varSoM taka AnaMda meM rahegI, aise sukha ko bhoga rahe haiN| aura aise sukha ke lie ye loga adhIra ho rahe haiM, aura ApakA khuda kA sukha bhI aisA hI hai| mujhe isa deha kA

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AptavANI-8 aMtarAya rahane ke bAvajUda bhI jo sukha hai, usa para se samajha meM AtA hai ki isa deha ke aMtarAya nahIM hoMge to kaisA sukha hogA! hamAre sAtha baiThe ho, to bhI abhI Apa sabako sukha mila rahA hai na! usameM hamArA jo sukha chalakatA hai na, vahI Apako svAda detA hai ! praznakartA: deha rahita sukha kA anubhava kisa taraha se ho sakatA hai? 165 dAdAzrI : deha rahita sukha ke anubhava kA khuda ciMtavana kare to usameM bhI deha to hai hI sAtha meM, ataH vaha sukha usa sukha jaisA nahIM ho sktaa| vaha to isa para se hameM hisAba lagAnA hai ki yahA~ para yadi itanA adhika sukha hai to vahA~ kaisA sukha hogA ! siddhagati meM sukha kA anubhava praznakartA : jo siddhagati meM haiM, mokSa meM gae haiM, ve loga jisa deharahita sukha kA anubhava karate haiM, to vaha sukha kauna anubhava karatA hai? dAdAzrI : khuda hI, khuda kA anubhava karatA hai| khuda, khuda ke svAnubhava sukha ko bhogatA hI rahatA hai aura vaha phira niraMtara gatimAna hai (pariNamana hote rahate haiM ) / unheM kAma hI kyA hai? ki jJAnakriyA aura darzanakriyA, niraMtara calatI hI rahatI haiM ! praznakartA : phira unheM kyA z2arUrata hai vahA~ para, isa jJAnakriyA, darzanakriyA kI? dAdAzrI : vaha to svabhAva hai unakA / yaha lAiTa hai, vaha niraMtara hameM dekhatI rahatI hogI na? yaha lAiTa yadi cetana hotI to hameM niraMtara dekhatI hI rahatI yA nahIM dekhatI rahatI ? vaise hI yaha cetana dekhatA rahatA hai / aba ve vahA~ para rahakara kyA dekhate hoMge? aba unake pAsa jJAnadarzana hai na, unake isI anaMtajJAna aura anaMtadarzana kA upayoga hotA hai, isake pariNAma svarUpa AnaMda rahatA hai| yAnI ki pahale AnaMda nahIM hotA / AnaMda pahale aura bAda meM jJAna aura darzana, aisA nahIM hotA / unake jJAna

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166 AptavANI -8 aura darzana kA upayoga hotA hai, usase AnaMda rahatA hI hai ! to unameM jJAnadarzana ke alAvA aura kucha hai hI nahIM / vaha svarUpa hI pUrA jJAna svarUpa hai, darzana svarUpa hai| yAnI hamane hAtha U~cA kiyA, to dikhA unheN| to unheM bhI vApasa kyA hotA hai ki jo dekhanA hai, usakI bhI phira hAni-vRddhi hotI rahatI hai| rAta ho jAe to isa bhAga meM hAni hotI hai aura dUsare bhAga meM vRddhi hotI hai, isa taraha se hAni - vRddhi hotI hai / aura apane yahA~ subaha ke pA~ca bajeM, taba se hI ye loga unheM dikhane lagate haiM, lekina vAstava meM vRddhi kaba dikhatI hai? dasa, gyAraha, bAraha baje bahuta kucha dikhatA hai, are loga saba ghUma rahe hote haiM, aise ghUma rahe hote haiM, vaise ghUma rahe hote haiM, saba dikhatA hai| unheM dekhanA hai aura jAnanA hai, ye do hI, aura gaharAI meM nahIM utaranA hai ki yaha corI karane nikalA hai kyA? unheM to agara koI jeba kATate hue bhI dikhe, to bhI unheM to dekhanA aura jAnanA hI hai ! viSaya nahIM haiM unameM, viSaya arthAt 'sabjekTa' nahIM haiM / yaha kauna - sA viSaya hai ? taba kahate haiM ki jeba kATane kA / yaha viSaya ina logoM ko jAnanA hai, unheM to kucha bhI nahIM hai ! maiMne hAtha U~cA kiyA, to vaha sabhI siddhoM ko jJAna meM dikhatA hai / ve siddha jJeyoM ko jAnate hI rahate haiM / isa jagat meM jJeya aura dRzya do hI vastue~ haiM / jJeyoM ko jAnate rahate haiM aura dRzyoM ko dekhate rahate haiM / usakA pariNAma kyA? ki anahada sukha, sukha kA aMta hI nahIM, vaha svAbhAvika sukha hai| I hai| svabhAva se eka samAna, lekina astitva se bhinna aba logoM ko kyA jhaMjhaTa hai? ki vahA~ para eka kyoM nahIM hai? are, eka hai, lekina vaha kisa prakAra se hai? ki yahA~ para pA~ca lAkha sone kI silliyA~ hoM, Dhera lAyA ho to use hameM kyA kahanA par3atA hai ki yaha sonA hai? aisA nahIM kahate? kahate haiM na? praznakartA : sonA bhI kahA jAtA hai aura sillI bhI kahA jAtA

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AptavANI-8 167 ___ dAdAzrI : nahIM, lekina yaha saba sonA hI hai aisA kaha sakate haiM yA nahIM kaha sakate? bhale hI sillI ke rUpa meM ho, lekina sonA hI hai na sArA? usI taraha se ye paramAtmA eka hI haiN| AtmA eka hI hai, lekina vaha sone ke rUpa meM eka hI hai, aura silliyoM ke rUpa meM alaga-alaga hai| unameM se pratyeka khuda ke vyaktitva-bhAva ko chor3atA hI nhiiN| praznakartA : yAnI usakA artha yaha huA ki pUrA eka hI AtmA hai, aisA kaha sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : sone ke rUpa meM hara eka AtmA sonA hI hai, lekina sillI ke rUpa meM pratyeka AtmA khuda ke vyaktitva ko chor3atA nahIM hai| praznakartA : yAnI pratyeka vyakti kA AtmA aMta meM eka hI hai? dAdAzrI : eka arthAt eka hI svabhAva kA hai| AtmA meM koI farka nahIM hai| jisa taraha silliyoM meM farka nahIM hai, aMta meM yaha sArA sonA hI hai, usI prakAra isa pratyeka AtmA meM farka nahIM hai| praznakartA : yadi AtmA kA eka hI guNadharma hotA to phira vyaktitva sAre alaga-alaga kyoM hue? dAdAzrI : ve jo unake vyaktitva alaga-alaga hue haiM, vaha to unakA kAla aura kSetra badalane se| hara eka kA kAla aura kSetra alagaalaga hI hotA hai| Apa jisa kSetra meM baiThe ho, to inakA vaha kSetra nahIM ho sakatA na? aba unake yahA~ se uThane ke bAda jaba Apa usa jagaha para baiThate ho, taba vahI kSetra prApta hotA hai, lekina taba taka vahA~ para kAla badala cukA hotA hai| yAnI ki yaha jagat pravAha ke rUpa meM hai| yaha jagat sthira nahIM hai, lekina pravAha ke rUpa meM, saMsAra ke rUpa meM hai| saMsAra arthAt samasaraNa, niraMtara parivartana ko prApta, eka kSaNa ke lie bhI sthira nahIM rhtaa| jaise ki koI do lAkha logoM kI sainA aise jA rahI ho, pA~ca, dasa yA paMdraha kI jor3I meM, lekina unakI lAina meM hI hote haiM na sabhI? ve aise jA

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168 AptavANI-8 rahe hoM to Apako dikhatA haiM na saba? usI taraha jJAniyoM ko yaha jagat bahatA huA hI dikhatA rahatA hai| jaba jJAnacakSu khula jAte haiM, taba dikhatA rahatA hai ki jagat pravAhamAna hai| aura pravAhamAna hai isalie jahA~ para Apa ho vahA~ para usa kSetra meM dUsarA nahIM hai aura jaba Apake kSetra meM koI dUsarA AtA hai, taba taka kAla badala jAtA hai| aisA Apako samajha meM AtA hai? yAnI ki (sabhI ke) deha, AkAra, puNya aura pApa sabakucha alaga-alaga hote haiN| lekina AtmasvarUpa se sabhI eka hI hote haiN| vastu-svarUpa ke vibhAjana nahIM hote praznakartA : to sabhI AtmA eka hI AtmA ke aMza haiM, aisA kahA jA sakatA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| sabhI AtmA eka hI AtmA ke aMza nahIM ho skte| aisA hai, hamezA hI, koI vastu hotI hai na, usameM ina rUpI vastuoM ke aMza hote haiM, lekina arUpI ke aMza nahIM hote| arUpI eka hI vastu ke rUpa meM hotA hai| usake aMza ho jAe~, Tukar3e ho jAe~, vibhAjana ho jAe~ to phira vaha eka nahIM ho paaegaa| yAnI ki khuda sarvAMza svarUpa hI hai| praznakartA : yAnI maiM apane Apa meM pUrNa zuddhAtmA hU~? dAdAzrI : Apa pUrNa hI ho, sarvAMza hI ho na! praznakartA : to AtmA kA vibhAjana nahIM ho sakatA? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda hI paramAtmA hai aura vaha vastu ke rUpa meM hai| yAnI usakA eka bhI Tukar3A alaga nahIM ho sakatA, aisI pUrNa vastu hai| agara vibhAjana ho jAe to Tukar3A ho jAegA to vastu khatma ho jAegI, lekina aisA nahIM hai| AtmA kA vibhAjana nahIM ho sktaa| praznakartA : amIbA nAmaka jIva hai, usakI vaMzavRddhi vibhAjana paddhati se hotI hai, eka se do hote haiM, do se cAra hote haiM, isalie prazna huA ki kyA AtmA kA vibhAjana hotA hai?

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AptavANI-8 169 dAdAzrI : yaha ThIka hai| lekina usameM AtmA kA vibhAjana nahIM hotaa| isa deha kA vibhAjana hotA hai| isa deha meM anaMta jIva hote haiM, ve jIva alaga-alaga vibhAjita ho jAte haiN| yaha jo eka AlU hai na, isameM bahuta sAre jIva haiN| usake jaba Tukar3e kareM na, to itanA choTA-sA Tukar3A lagAe~ge to bhI vaha uga jAegA vaaps| aura dUsarI kitanI hI cIz2oM ke Tukar3e kareM aura lagAe~ to ve nahIM ugeMge! jisake Tukar3e karake lagAe~ aura vaha uga jAe, usameM bahuta sAre jIva hote haiN| ye dUdhavAle paudhe haiM na, kaikTasa aura aise, ina sabakA itanA-sA Tukar3A ugAe~ to uga jAtA hai| unameM adhika jIva hai, usase vaMzavRddhi hotI hI rahatI hai| praznakartA : to phira sUkSmaAtmA aura sthUlaAtmA aisA jo kahA jAtA hai, to usameM kyA farka hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, sUkSmaAtmA, sthUlaAtmA, AtmA ke isa taraha ke vibhAga hote hI nhiiN| phira bhI ye loga sthUlaAtmA aura sUkSmaAtmA aisA saba kahate haiN| vaha sArA hI vinAzI AtmA hai| aura jo mUla daraasala AtmA hai na, vaha to avinAzI hai| usakA sUkSmabhAga bhI nahIM hotA, sthUlabhAga bhI nahIM hotaa| maiM jise AtmA kahatA hU~ usameM, jisakA sUkSma vibhAga nahIM hai, sthUla vibhAga nahIM hai, avibhAgI-avibhAjya, aisA vaha paramAtmA hai| aura Apa, jisakA vibhAjana ho sakatA hai, aise sthUla aura sUkSma AtmA kI bAta kara rahe ho| yaha sthUla, sUkSma, vaha saba vinAzI hai| vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| aura agara havA jAne deM, tabhI vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' calegA, nahIM to agara havA baMda kara deM to vaha khatma ho jaaegaa| jaba ki mUla AtmA to maratA hI nhiiN| yAnI AtmA yadi paramAtmA kA aMza hotA na to vaha kabhI bhI sarvAMza nahIM ho paataa| aura jo sarvAMza nahIM ho sake, vaha AtmA hI nahIM hai| 'Apa' sarvAMza ho lekina usakA Apako bhAna nahIM hai| Apako aMza bhAna hai| Apa to pUrNa paramAtmA ho, lekina Apako kama bhAna hai| aMza paramAtmA kabhI bhI hotA hI nahIM hai| paramAtmA ke Tukar3e nahIM ho skte|

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170 AptavANI kyA rupayA kabhI paisA banA hai? Apako samajha meM AyA na ki bhagavAna to sarvAMza svarUpa se hI haiM ? Apa aisA samajhate the ki bhagavAna aMza svarUpa haiM? taba ina logoM ne jo aisA bole haiM ki bhagavAna aMza svarUpa se haiM, vaha koI gappa to nahIM hogI na? kyA vaha gappa hai? vaha gappa nahIM hai, lekina loga cupar3ane kI davAI ko pI jAe~ to kyA hogA? aMzasvarUpa kyA hai? ki 'Apa' meM 'bhagavAna' to sarvAMza hai, lekina jitanA AvaraNa TUTA, 'Apako' utanA AMzika jJAna prApta huA hai| lekina aMdara 'bhagavAna' sarvAMza haiM / aura isa janma meM ' ApameM ' sarvAMza jJAna prakaTa ho sakatA hai / vaha hindustAna kA manuSya honA caahie| kyoMki yahA~ kA, hindustAna kA manuSya 'phula Devalapa' ho cukA hai| phaoNrinavAloM ke lie yaha jJAna kAma kA hI nahIM hai| kyoMki jo punarjanma ko nahIM samajhate haiM, unake lie yaha jJAna kAma kA hI nahIM hai / jinheM punarjanma samajha meM AtA hai, unheM hI bhagavAna kA sarvAMza svarUpa samajha meM A sakatA hai / yAnI aisA vijJAna yadi sunane meM Ae to hindustAna ke logoM kI sabhI zaktiyA~ jAga uttheNgii| varnA ye loga mana meM kyA mAnate haiM ki, 'hama to kyA kara sakate haiM? hama to bhagavAna ke aMza haiN|' logoM ne aisA sikhAyA ki 'hama to bhagavAna ke aMza haiM', aisA kahanA ! aba logoM ko jo jJAna diyA jAtA hai, jo samajha dI jAtI hai, aura jisa jJAna ke AdhAra para loga jIte haiM, vaha jJAna hI, AdhAra - jJAna hI yadi aisA ho ki 'maiM bhagavAna kA aMza hU~', to phira sarvAMza kaba ho pAegA? yAnI isakA kucha aMta nahIM aaegaa| tU bhagavAna kA aMza nahIM hai| tuma saMpUrNa, sarvAMza bhagavAna hI ho / aMza kabhI bhI sarvAMza nahIM bana sakatA / jo aMza hai na, usameM sarvAMza banane kI zakti hI nahIM hai / aMza hamezA aMza ke rUpa meM hI rahatA hai / aura sarvAMza kabhI bhI aMza svarUpa nahIM bana sakatA, sarvAMza to hamezA hI sarvAMza rahatA hai| taba phira aisA sArA ajJAna kyoM phaila gayA ? bhagavAna kA aisA svarUpa kyoM mAnate haiM? taba 'jJAnIpuruSa' samajhAte haiM ki bhagavAna to sarvAMza haiM, lekina unakA aMza rUpI AvaraNa hI khulA hai, utanA usako lAbha milatA hai, bAkI khuda to sarvAMza hI hai /

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AptavANI-8 171 Apako samajha meM AyA na? isa taraha se 'maiM aMza svarUpa hU~' kaheMge to kaba pUrA hogA? mujhe aise aMza svarUpa kahanevAle mile taba mujhe aisA lagA ki 'yaha kisa prakAra kA hai?' maiM choTA thA taba mujhe kahanevAle mile the ki, 'hama saba to aMza svarUpa hai|' taba mujhe aise gussA AyA ki tU aMza svarUpa hogA, maiM kaisA aMza svarUpa? aMza svarUpa, vaha aura eka paisA kabhI bhI rupayA nahIM bana sakatA aura rupayA kabhI bhI paisA nahIM bana sktaa| paisA lAkha varSoM taka par3A rahe to rupayA bana jAegA? yAnI ki bAta ko samajhane kI z2arUrata hai| sahI samajha, sarvavyApaka kI praznakartA : AtmA sarvAMza hai, usI prakAra AtmA sarvavyApI bhI hai na? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| AtmA sarvavyApI hai, vaha sApekSa bAta hai, vaha hamezA ke lie sarvavyApI nahIM hai| jise sarvavyApI kahate ho, vaha nirapekSa bAta kara rahe ho yA sApekSa bAta kara rahe ho? praznakartA : nirapekSa kii| dAdAzrI : yaha lAiTa jo hai, yaha pUre rUma meM saba aura vyApta hai yA nahIM hai? praznakartA : hA~, vyApta hai| dAdAzrI : isa lAiTa para aise kAg2az2a yA kucha DAla deM to? praznakartA : to a~dherA lgegaa| dAdAzrI : to phira yahA~ para usakI lAiTa nahIM dikhegI na? praznakartA : nahIM dikhegii| dAdAzrI : to usa samaya vaha sarvavyApI hai? praznakartA : usa samaya hameM bhrAMti hotI hai, lekina vaha lAiTa yoM to sarvavyApI hai na?

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172 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| isa sarvavyApI kA artha logoM ne samajhe bagaira kucha ulTA hI nikAla diyaa| 'AtmA sarvavyApI hai' aisA kahate ho, lekina vaha ApakI samajha kI bhUla hai| sarvavyApI kA artha maiM Apako samajhAtA huuN| jaba aMtima avatAra hotA hai, carama deha hotI hai, taba AtmA saMpUrNa nirAvRta ho jAtA hai| usa ghar3I vaha AtmA pUre brahmAMDa meM sarvavyApI ho jAtA hai| lekina aisA sabhI AtmAoM meM nahIM hotA, lekina jo AtmA mokSa meM jAnevAlA hotA hai, saMpUrNa nirAvRta ho cukA hotA hai, sirpha vahI AtmA sarvavyApI ho jAtA hai| bAkI ye sabhI dUsare AtmA nahIM, Apako samajha meM AyA? praznakartA : yAnI AtmA khuda cetana ke rUpa meM sarvavyApI hai? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| cetana ke rUpa meM sarvavyApI nahIM hai, usakA svabhAva sarvavyApI hai| aMtima avatAra meM carama zarIrI hote haiM, taba unakA lAiTa pUre brahmAMDa meM saba aura phailatA hai| arthAt vaha sApekSa vastu hai| hara eka ko aisA nahIM hotaa| yoM to ye sabhI loga marate hI haiM na! roz2a-roz2a smazAna meM jAte hI haiM na! ataH AtmA sarvavyApaka hai aisA kahA jAtA hai, lekina vaha usakI khuda kI lAiTa se sarvavyApaka hai, usake prakAza se sarvavyApaka hai, ina sabhI jagahoM para vaha khuda nahIM hai| yAnI ki AtmA kA prakAza sarvavyApaka hai, yaha prakAza dUsarI cIz2oM ko dikhAtA hai| isa jagata meM jJeya aura jJAtA donoM haiM yA nahIM? yA phira sirpha jJAtA hI hai? praznakartA : jJAtA aura jJeya donoM haiN| dAdAzrI : to phira Apane svIkAra kiyA na? usI taraha dRzya aura dRSTA, do haiM na? sabhI jagaha sirpha AtmA hI hai, aisA nahIM hai na? jJeya aura jJAtA, tathA dRzya aura dRSTA donoM hI haiN| AtmA ke alAvA bAkI kA sabakucha

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AptavANI-8 173 dRzya hai aura jJeya hai| aba AtmA kA prakAza aisA hai na, ki jahA~ para jJeya haiM aura dRzya haiM, vahIM taka prakAza jAtA hai| jisa prakAra isa ghar3e meM eka lAiTa rakhI huI ho, usake Upara eka Dhakkana lagA deM, to ujAlA bAhara nahIM AegA, sirpha usa ghar3e ko hI lAiTa milegii| phira ghar3e ko phor3a deM, to vaha lAiTa kahA~ taka jAegI? jitane bhAjana meM rakhA huA hogA, jitane bar3e rUma meM rakhA huA ho utane rUma meM prakAza phailegaa| usI prakAra AtmA yadi nirAvRta ho jAe na, to pUre lokAloka meM phaila jAe, aisA hai| lekina AtmA sirpha isa loka jitanA hI prakAza detA hai| aloka meM jJeya nahIM haiM, isalie AtmA kA, jJAtA kA prakAza vahA~ para jAtA hI nhiiN| loka hai aura loka ke kAraNa dUsare bhAga ko aloka kahA hai| aloka meM bilkula bhI jJeya nahIM haiM, sirpha AkAza hI hai| aba jJeya nahIM haiM, isalie vahA~ para AtmA prakAza nahIM kara sakatA arthAt AtmA aisA hai ki pUre loka ko prakAzamAna kara sake, aura vaha bhI hara eka AtmA, lekina yadi AvaraNa TUTeM to| jisa prakAra ghar3e meM lAiTa rakhI ho, phira usa ghar3e meM jitane cheda kareM, utanA ujAlA thor3A-thor3A karake bAhara AtA jAtA hai| usI taraha ina pA~ca indriyoM se yaha ujAlA bAhara AtA hai| aba pUrNa dazA meM yadi kabhI yaha deha chUTa jAe to yaha ujAlA pUre jagat meM vyApta ho jAegA, aisA usakA svabhAva hai| abhI to deha meM hI hai| arthAt pahale svarUpa ke jJAna ko jAnanA, use jJAnAvaraNa kA TUTanA kahA jAtA hai| phira to apane Apa hI jaise-jaise sabhI karma haTate jAte haiM, vaise-vaise hala AtA jAtA hai| AtmA ke anaMta pradezoM para karma ke AvaraNa haiN| jaise-jaise karmoM ke nikAla hote jAte haiM, vaise-vaise AvaraNa TUTate jAte haiN| __ prameya ke anusAra pramAtA-AtmA ataH sarvavyApaka kA artha alaga hai| jaisA ye loga jAnate haiM, vaisA

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174 AptavANI-8 nahIM hai| sarvavyApaka kA artha aisA hai ki yaha lAiTa kA balba hai, yahI eka balba hai, isa rUma meM saba tarafa kahIM balba nahIM hai, rUma meM to usakA prakAza hI hai| usI prakAra pUre brahmAMDa ko prakAzamAna kara sake, eka akele AtmA meM utanI zakti hai| zuddhAtmA ho jAne ke bAda meM, bAkI bace hue karma jaba pUrI taraha se DiscArja ho jAte haiM aura jaba karma rahita ho jAtA hai, taba pUre brahmAMDa meM prakAza ho sake, AtmA kI utanI zakti hai| lekina ise ina logoM ne isa taraha se samajhA ki ina sabhI meM AtmA hai, isameM AtmA hai, isameM AtmA hai, ulTA smjhe| cupar3ane kI davAI pI jAe to kyA hogA? aisA ho gayA hai yaha saaraa| usake kAraNa na to bAhara kA roga miTA, na hI aMdara kA roga mittaa| yAnI jaba aisA kahate haiM ki 'yaha lAiTa saba aura hai', usakA artha hameM aisA samajhanA hai ki balba to vahIM ke vahIM haiM, lekina usakI lAiTa pUre rUma meM hai| hama yahA~ se isa balba ko eka ghar3e meM rakha deM aura usa para kucha Dhaka deM, to phira usakI lAiTa saba aura dikhegI? praznakartA : nahIM dikhegii| dAdAzrI : yAnI jaisA prameya hogA, usIke anusAra pramAtA hogaa| yaha prameya itanA hI hai, ghar3e meM balba ko rakha deM to ghar3e jitanA hI prakAza phailegA, phira bAhara anya kahIM usakA prakAza nahIM hogaa| prameya brahmAMDa, pramAtA paramAtmA praznakartA : eka jagaha para aisA vAkya par3hA hai ki "jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa bahuta samaya taka satsaMga karake pramAtA, pramANa aura prameya kA svarUpa samajha lenA cAhie", to Apa yaha smjhaaie| dAdAzrI : haaN| prameya arthAt, yaha zarIra prameya kahalAtA hai aura yaha brahmAMDa bhI prameya kahalAtA hai| AtmA khuda pramAtA hai| abhI AtmA isa deha meM hai, to abhI AtmA kI lAiTa kitanI hogI? usakA pramANa kitanA

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AptavANI-8 175 hogA? ki isa deha jitanA hii| aba saMpUrNa jJAna ho aura zarIra chUTa jAe, to usa lAiTa kA pramANa kitanA ho jAegA? pUre prameya meM, pUre brahmAMDa meM vaha lAiTa phaila jaaegii| pramAtA prameya ke anupAta meM phaila jAtA hai| jaisA bhAjana ho, usa anusAra lAiTa phaila jAtI hai! arthAt kevaLajJAna hone ke bAda yadi deha chUTa jAe to yaha jo pramAtA hai, vaha pUre prameya meM phaila jAegA, khuda kA lAiTa pUre brahmAMDa meM phaila jaaegaa| abhI pramANa kitanA hai? taba kahe, 'isa deha jitanA hI hai|' | ghar3e meM lAiTa rakhI ho taba vaha tIvra hotI hai, aura jaba vaha ghar3A phUTa jAtA hai to rUma meM lAiTa phaila jAtI hai, phira vaha lAiTa halkI ho jAtI hai| yAnI yaha lAiTa jitanI adhika phailatI hai, utanI adhika halkI hotI jAtI hai| kyoMki yaha to paudgalika prakAza hai| aura AtmA kI lAiTa halkI nahIM hotI, vaha lAiTa to cAhe jitanI bhI phaile, pUre brahmAMDa meM phaila jAe, taba bhI vaisI kI vaisI hI rahatI hai| sApekSa dRSTi se sarvavyApaka yAnI 'AtmA sarvavyApaka hai' aise sabhI sApekSa vAkya haiM, unheM loga nirapekSa mAnakara ulTA hI artha nikAlate haiM aura cupar3ane kI davAI pI jAte haiN| yaha sApekSa hai, isakA kyA matalaba hai? ki sabhI manuSya marate haiM taba AtmA sarvavyApaka nahIM ho jaataa| jaba kevaLI (kevaLajJAna prApta vyakti) yA tIrthaMkaroM kA nirvANa hotA hai, taba unakA jo AtmA bAhara nikalatA hai vaha pUre brahmAMDa meM prakAzamAna ho jAtA hai, sarvavyApaka ho jAtA hai| usa dRSTi se, sApekSa dRSTi se AtmA sarvavyApaka hai| hamezA ke lie sarvavyApaka nahIM hai| jaba ki loga to use sarvavyApaka, sarvavyApaka, sarvavyApaka karake gAte hI rahate haiN| bAkI, isa manuSya meM jaba taka ajJAna hai, taba taka usakA ujAlA bAhara nahIM aataa| vaha to jaba 'phula' jJAna ho jAe taba vaha pUre brahmAMDa meM prakAzamAna hotA hai| aura ApameM bhI AtmA to vaisA hI hai, lekina vaha bilkula AvRta hI hai| jaba AtmA mokSa meM jAtA hai, taba pUrA prakAza sabhI ora brahmAMDa meM

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AptavANI-8 phaila jAtA hai| sarvavyApaka prakAza sabhI ora brahmAMDa meM phaila jAtA hai| usa dRSTi se sarvavyApaka hai / aura aise jo bhagavAna dikhate haiM ve to divyacakSu se dikhate haiM, aura vaha bhI sAmane koI krIcara ho to dikhatA hai, varnA agara kriyezana ho to nahIM dikhtaa| yaha to 'gaoNDa iz2a ina evarI krIcara vedara viz2ibala ora inviz2ibala, naoNTa ina kriyezana / ' isa mazIna ke aMdara bhagavAna nahIM hai| jaba ki apane logoM ne 'bhagavAna hara eka jagaha para haiM' aisA ghusA diyaa| 176 jagat meM sabhI ora AtmA hI ? pUrA brahmAMDa krIcara se, jIvoM se hI ThasAThasa bharA huA hai aura una jIvoM ke aMdara cetana birAjamAna hai| hA~, yAnI ki jIvoM meM jar3a aura cetana, do bhAga haiN| aura cetana, vaha zuddha cetana hai, vahI AtmA hai, vahI paramAtmA hai| nahIM? praznakartA : yAnI sabhI ora AtmA ke alAvA aura kucha hai hI dAdAzrI : nhiiN| sirpha AtmA nahIM, hara eka jIva meM anAtmA bhI hai aura AtmA bhI hai / aura sarvavyApI kA artha to alaga hai, lekina ye loga to binA samajhe hI sabakucha ulTA le baiThe haiN| lekina yadi aisA sarvavyApI hotA na to saMDAsa karane kahA~ jAe~ ? ghara meM saMDAsa aura rasoI donoM alaga rakhate haiM na? sabhI meM bhagavAna rahate haiM, to hama kahA~ para lakar3I jalAne jAe~ aura kahA~ para lakar3I nahIM jalAe~? yAnI z2arA sadviveka ko samajhanA to par3egA na? kRSNa bhagavAna ne jar3a aura cetana, AtmA aura anAtmA isa prakAra se do cIjeM batAI haiM / yaha jar3a aura cetana, ye donoM do alaga-alaga cIjeM haiN| jo jar3a hai, usakA Apa upayoga kara sakate ho, lekina cetana ko Apa mAroge to Apako pApa lgegaa| per3a hai, usameM cetana hai| use kAToge, jalAoge to pApa lgegaa| aura yahA~ para agara koI bhI lakar3I par3I ho use Apa jalA DAlo to harja nahIM hai| kyoMki usameM cetana nahIM hai /

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AptavANI-8 177 tAdRza, dRSTAMta meM, 'maulika spaSTIkaraNa' kRSNa bhagavAna ne batAyA thA na ki AtmA aura anAtmA do vastue~ haiN| isa jaDa ko hI yadi AtmA mAneM to AtmA kI kyA dazA hogI? yadi sabhI gehU~ hI haiM to bInane ko kyA rahA? gehU~ aura kaMkar3a mile hue hoM aura koI kahe ki ye sirpha gehU~ hI haiM to phira bInane ko rahA hI kyA? baz2Ara meM se Apa gehU~ lene jAte ho, taba Apa vyApArI se kyA kahate ho? kaMkar3a do, aisA kahate ho yA gehU~ do, aisA kahate ho? kyA kahate ho? praznakartA : gehU~ do aisA hI kahanA par3atA hai| dAdAzrI : kahA~ ke gehU~ aisA nahIM kahanA par3atA? praznakartA : hA~, gvAliyara ke gehuuN| dAdAzrI : hA~, phira Apa kahate ho ki mujhe z2arA batAo ki gehU~ kaise haiN| to vaha turanta borI meM suI DAlakara thor3e gehU~ nikAlegA, 'dekho pUrI borI aise hI gehU~ kI hai|' phira vyApArI use gehU~ kI borI kahatA hai| loga bhI use gehU~ kI borI hI kahate haiN| aura ghara para le jAe, taba patnI kyA kahatI hai? 'ye bInane pdd'eNge|' 'are, maiM to ye gehU~ hI lAyA hU~, isameM bInane kA kyA hai? maiM gehU~ hI lAyA hU~ na!' Apa aisA kahoge taba patnI kahegI, 'ApameM aqla nahIM hai, gehU~ aura kaMkar3a sAtha meM hI hote haiN| isI ko gehU~ kahate haiN|' taba Apa kahoge, 'lekina baz2Ara meM ise saba gehU~ hI kahate the na!' yAnI vyavahAra meM aisA hI kahA jAtA hai| vyavahAra meM use gehU~ hI kahA jAtA hai, lekina ve kaMkar3a sahita hote haiN| isalie ghara para lAkara gehU~ bInane par3ate haiN| vyavahAra aisA hai| vyavahAra aisA kahatA hai ki yaha gehU~ kI borI hai| hama kaheM ki, 'lekina bhAI, aMdara kaMkar3a haiM na!' taba kahegA, 'nahIM, aisA nahIM kahate, yaha borI gehU~ kI hI hai|' vyavahAra ise kahate haiN| hameM vyavahAra ko samajhanA par3egA na? maiM Apake yahA~ AyA aura subaha braza karane kA samaya ho aura maiM kahU~ ki, 'dAtuna laao|' to Apa kyA-kyA cIz2a lAkara rakha doge?

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178 AptavANI -8 praznakartA : braza, TUthapesTa sabakucha rakhanA cAhie / dAdAzrI : hA~, loTA, sTUla, sabakucha lAoge na? praznakartA: haaN| : dAdAzrI : lekina maiMne to Apako sirpha dAtuna lAne ko kahA taba bhI Apa itanI sArI cIjeM kyoM le Ae? hA~, yAnI ki vyavahAra aisA hai| bolate itanA hI haiM, lekina Apako sabakucha samajha lenA caahie| yAnI vyavahAra ko samajhanA caahie| hama sirpha braza lekara kaheM 'lIjie yaha braza / ' to phira koI kyA kahegA, ki 'TUthapesTa lAo, pAnI lAo, falAnA laao|' usase phira gar3abar3a hogI sArI / usake bajAya to hama vyavahAra ko samajha leN| yAnI vyavahAra meM gehU~ z2arUra kahate haiM, lekina unameM kaMkar3a bhI hote haiN| isI taraha isa vyavahAra meM 'sabhI AtmA haiM' aisA jo kahA hai na, vaha isI taraha kahA hai| gehU~ haiM aura kaMkar3a usake sAtha meM haiM / usI taraha AtmA hai aura anAtmA bhI sAtha meM hai| saba ora AtmA hai, vAstava meM yaha aisA nahIM hai| lekina yaha sArI bAta samajhanI par3egI to ThikAnA pdd'egaa| ataH isakA artha loga ulTA samajhe ki saba jagaha AtmA hai, yAnI khaMbhe meM bhI AtmA hai, dIvAra meM bhI AtmA hai / yAnI ki yaha sArA ulTA hI smjhe| yAnI ki gehU~ aura kaMkar3a kucha bhI dekhane kA hI nahIM rhaa| sabhI 'gehU~ hI haiM' aisA kaheMge, to usake lie hama manA nahIM krte| lekina ina vyApariyoM ke lie to gehU~ hI haiN| lekina khAnevAle ke lie to gehU~ aura kaMkar3a donoM ikaTThe hI haiM na? vyApAriyoM ke lie kyA hai? praznakartA : gehU~ hI haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, to ye jitane vyApArI haiM na, unake lie aisA hai| lekina khAnevAle ko to samajhanA hI cAhie na ! varnA yadi sabhI ora bhagavAna haiM, to phira sacce bhagavAna kaba mileMge? loga aisA samajhe ki sabhI meM AtmA hai, usakA artha hI nahIM na

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AptavANI-8 koii| 'sabhI gehU~ haiM' vaha to vyApArI aisA bolate haiM / vyApArI kyA aisA kahatA hai ki 'gehU~ aura kaMkar3a donoM haiM?' taba to hama aisA kaheMge ki, 'kaMkar3a ko kama kara ddaalo|' lekina vyApArI aisA kahatA hai, 'sabhI gehU~ haiN|' lekina jise khAne haiM usake lie gehU~ aura kaMkar3a donoM haiN| 179 yAnI yA to kaMkar3a ko pahacAna yA phira gehU~ ko pahacAna, donoM meM se eka ko pahacAnegA to clegaa| ye gehU~ aura kaMkar3a bInane hoM, to unameM agara sirpha kaMkar3a ko hI pahacAna legA to calegA yA nahIM calegA? praznakartA : kaMkar3a ko pahacAna leM to bAkI jo bace ve gehU~ haiN| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki 'eka ko jAna loge to donoM ko jAna loge' kahate haiN| isalie hama Apako 'zuddhAtmA' kI pahacAna karavA dete haiN| to bAkI kA saba bhI jAna gae / ye loga kyA kahate haiM? ' are bahana, gehU~ bIna lie kyA?' aura bIna rahI hotI hai kNkdd'| yAnI apanI isa bhASA ko to dekho| hama vahA~ para jAe~, aura kaheM ki 'Apa to kaha rahe the na ki gehU~ bIna rahI hU~ lekina Apa to kaMkar3a bIna rahe ho / ' taba ve kahegI, 'nahIM, gehU~ hI bIna rahI hU~ na?' lekina dekho kaMkar3a bInatI hai na! kyoM aisA bolate hoMge loga? praznakartA : saccI samajha nahIM hai na! dAdAzrI : yaha saMsAra bhrAMti svarUpa hai na, isalie sabhI bAteM bhI ulTI hI hotI haiN| AtmA nirguNa hai yA anaMta guNadhAma ? kRSNa bhagavAna ne jo samajhAyA hai, usa bAta ko hI yadi samajha jAegA to bhI saccA bhakta bana jaaegaa| kRSNa bhagavAna ne to pUrA sAinsa batA diyA hai aura unhoMne kahA hai ki cAroM veda triguNAtmaka haiN| ye cAra veda to logoM ke lie haiN| lekina jinheM mokSa meM jAnA hai, unheM ina cAra vedoM se Age AnA hai, gItA meM AnA hai|

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180 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : Apane triguNAtmaka kI bAta kI, lekina kahA jAtA hai ki AtmA to nirguNa hai na? dAdAzrI : yaha jo mAnyatA hai na ki, AtmA nirguNa hai, vaha bhUla se bharI huI mAnyatA hai| isa duniyA meM patthara bhI guNa rahita nahIM hotaa| vaha patthara bhI kAma meM AtA hai na? yAnI AtmA to paramAtmA hai| usake aMdara anaMta guNa haiN| isa nirguNa ke bAre meM Apako samajhAtA huuN| zAstrakAroM ne nirguNa kahA hai, lekina loga khuda kI bhASA meM samajha ge| khuda kI bhASA meM samajheMge to phala milegA kyA ? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : ye kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? ki prakRti ke guNoM se AtmA nirguNa hai| prakRti kA eka bhI guNa AtmA meM nahIM hai| aura khuda ke jo svAbhAvika guNa haiM, unase vaha bharapUra hai| Apako yaha samajha meM AyA? prakRti kA eka bhI guNa AtmA meM nahIM hai, isalie use nirguNa kahA hai| nahIM hai nirguNa jagat meM koI praznakartA : lekina aisA kahA hai ki nirAkAra, nirguNa brahma kI Apa jisa prakAra se bhajanA karoge, usI prakAra se Apake sAmane sAkSAt hAz2ira ho jaaegaa| ataH sAkAra svarUpa se vaisA hI darzana prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ina logoM ko jo brahma diyA thA na, vaha bhramavAlA brahma thaa| brahma nirguNa hai hI nhiiN| yaha to bhramavAlA hai, yaha to loga nAsamajhI se khuda kI bhASA meM kucha bhI kahate rahate haiN| praznakartA : lekina, 'brahma hai kyA' vaha batAie na! dAdAzrI : vaha mUla vastu hai| vaha avinAzI hai| usake kitane hI, anaMta guNa haiN| aba ise nirguNa, nirguNa karake sabake dimAg2a meM DAla diyA

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AptavANI-8 181 hai aura isIlie hara koI aisA kahatA hai| taba mujhe kahanA par3atA hai, kaThora zabdoM meM kahanA par3atA hai ki 'are, patthara meM bhI guNa hote haiN|' patthara bhI caTanI pIsane ke kAma meM AtA hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : hA~, AtA hai| dAdAzrI : aura bhAI, sirpha AtmA hI nirguNa hai? isalie kaThora zabdoM meM z2arA samajhAnA par3atA hai na ki aisA Apa kaba taka mAnoge? aura aisA mAnoge to AtmA kaba prApta hogA? yAnI vastusthiti meM patthara meM bhI guNa haiN| lekina AtmA ko ina logoM ne nirguNa kahA hai, aisA sabhI logoM ne kahA hai isalie pUrI bAta hI ulTI ho gaI hai| isalie phira mujhe aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki AtmA nirguNa hai, yaha bAta saca hai, lekina Apa apanI bhASA meM le ge| yAnI ki prakRti ke guNoM se nirguNa hai| prakRti kA eka bhI guNa AtmA meM nahIM hai aura khuda ke guNoM se bharapUra hai| abhI vApasa yahA~ taka AyA hai ki AtmA ko nirguNa AtmA kahate haiN| are, yaha patthara bhI nirguNa nahIM hai isa duniyA meM aura AtmA ko nirguNa kahate ho? lAkhoM janmoM ke bAda bhI Apa kisa taraha se mUla vastu ke ThikAne kI tarafa mur3oge? patthara bhI nirguNa nahIM hai| bhaiMsa gobara karatI hai na, vaha bhI nirguNa nahIM hai, vaha bhI kAma meM AtA hai na? lIpane ke kAma meM nahIM AtA? yAnI ki hara eka vastu guNavAlI hai| guNa kAma karatA hai na? dhUla bhI kAma kI hai yA nahIM? aba anAdi kAla se isI taraha kI bhUleM calI A rahI haiM aura usase logoM ko mAra par3atI hai na! dharma meM bhUla calegI hI nhiiN| dharma meM bhUla honI hI nahIM caahie| aura bhUla hogI to kyA hogA? aura yaha to vijJAna hai| isameM z2arA-sI bhI bhUla ho jAe to ho cukA, pramANa (aneka dharmoM dvArA vastu kA aneka rUpoM se nizcaya kiyA jAe to vaha pramANa kahalAtA hai) hI badala jaaegaa| Apako nirguNa samajha meM AyA na?

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182 AptavANI praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki mUla AtmA khuda saguNa hI hai, anaMta guNoM kA dhAma hai| svAbhAvika guNa jo haiM ve bahuta sAre haiM, lekina prakRti ke jo guNa haiM, unameM se eka bhI guNa AtmA meM nahIM hai, isalie nirguNa hai / ina logoM ne svIkAra kiyA hai ki ye guNa AtmA meM nahIM haiM, isalie AtmA nirguNa hai| isake bajAya loga kyA samajha baiThe ki AtmA nirguNa hI hai / are, jagat meM patthara bhI nirguNa nahIM hai / koI bhI vastu bagaira guNa kI nahIM hai| acche yA qharAba, lekina bagaira guNa kI koI bhI vastu nahIM hai| hara eka guNa to haiM hI, to AtmA nirguNa kaise ho sakatA hai? aMta meM to prAkRta guNoM ko hI poSaNa milA praznakartA : ye satva, rajas, aura tamas ye tIna guNa haiM, unameM aura tatva meM kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : ina satva, rajas aura tamas guNoM kA kyA karanA hai? ye to vinAzI guNa haiM, prakRti ke guNa haiM / aura tatva avinAzI vastu hai| ye jo satva, raja aura tamo guNa haiM na, una guNoM ke adhiSThAtA deva haiN| to jinheM ina guNoM kI z2arUrata ho ve brahmA, viSNu yA maheza kI ArAdhanA kreN| usIke lie haiM ve| aura kucha nhiiN| praznakartA : yAnI unakI ginatI devatAoM meM hogI ? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina unameM jo guNa haiM na, una guNoM ke ve adhiSThAtA deva haiN| tamoguNavAle ziva haiM aura rajoguNavAle viSNu kahalAte haiM aura sAtvika guNavAle brahmA kahalAte haiM / una devoM kA pUjana karo to acchA hai, ve guNa bddh'eNge| lekina aMta meM to AtmA ko jAnanA hI par3egA / praznakartA : lekina zAstroM meM varNana AtA hai na brahmA, viSNu aura maheza kA, to vaha saba kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : yaha to prakRti maz2abUta karane ke lie ina mUrtiyoM ko

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AptavANI-8 183 rakhA hai| viSNu rajoguNa hai, maheza tamoguNa hai aura brahmA satvaguNa hai| ina tIna guNoM ko majabUta karane ke lie logoM ne mUrtiyoM kI sthApanA kI hai| yAnI ki inakI pUjA karane se ye guNa maz2abUta hoNge| lekina una guNoM kA bhI dhIre-dhIre nAza ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : to phira ye brahmA, viSNu aura maheza ko pUjane kA koI artha hI nahIM hai na? ___ dAdAzrI : artha hai na! manuSya ko prakRti to maz2abUta karanI hI cAhie na! prakRti maz2abUta karegA to Age bar3ha skegaa| rUpaka, laukika aura alaukika dRSTi se praznakartA : zivAlaya meM aSTAMgayoga ke, yama-niyama-AsanaprANAyAma-pratyAhAra-dhyAna-dhAraNA aura samAdhi, ina AThoM aMgoM ke vahA~ para pratIka rakhe haiN| kachuA pratyAhAra kA pratIka hai, naMdIzvara Asana kahalAte haiM, pArvatIjI dhAraNA hai, zaMkara mahAdeva ve samAdhi.... dAdAzrI : ye saba rUpaka haiN| inameM jitanA gahare ghusa cuke haiM na, to ghusane ke bAda ho sake utanA jaldI apane ghara kI tarafa nikala jAnA hai| ye sabhI rUpaka to sAmanevAle ke phAyade ke lie die gae haiN| lekina fAyadA hogA to hogA, nahIM to aise hI rUpaka to rUpaka hI rheNge| lekina ina rUpakoM ko loga satya mAnane lage haiN| ye brahmA, viSNu aura maheza jaisI koI cIz2a hai hI nhiiN| yaha to satva, raja aura tama ina tIna guNoM ke rUpaka die gae haiN| praznakartA : krieTara, prirjavara aura ddesttroyr|| dAdAzrI : hA~, aura tIrthaMkaroM kI bhASA meM yaha kyA hai, vaha Apa jAnate ho kyA? utpAda, vyaya aura dhrauva, yaha tIrthaMkaroM kI bhASA hai| ye tInoM zabda una saba rUpakoM meM ulajha gae aura rUpakoM ko to usa samaya ke loga samajhe the| lekina kAla badalA ki sabakucha ulajha gyaa| jo yuga hotA hai

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184 AptavANI-8 na, usa yuga meM samajha jAte haiM, lekina yuga badalatA hai to sabakucha ulajha jAtA hai| ina logoM ne to sabakucha ulajhA diyaa| aba brahmA ko DhU~Dhane jAe~ to kahA~ mileMge? duniyA meM kisI jagaha para mileMge? aura viSNu ko DhUMDhane jAe~, to viSNu mileMge? aura mahezvara? hama pUche, 'kyA kAma dhaMdhA hai inakA? vyApAra kyA hai?' taba kahate haiM, 'brahmA sarjana karate haiM, viSNu ina sabakA calAte haiM, poSaNa karate haiN| aura mahezvara, ve mArate haiM, saMhAra karate haiN|' are, saMhAra karanevAle ke paira chUte ho? aisA hai, isa jagat kI haqIqata jAnanI ho, to isa jagat ke chaha tatva niraMtara samasaraNa karate hI rahate haiM aura chahoM tatva iTarnala hai| iTarnala arthAt koI banAnevAlA hogA? banAnevAle kI z2arUrata par3egI kyA? iTarnala vastu kisIke banAe bagaira banegI hI nahIM, aisA kaheM to galata bAta hai na? yAnI ise banAnevAlA koI hai hI nhiiN| phira bhI loga pUchate haiM, 'koI to banAnevAlA cAhie na?' are, tU iTarnala zabda samajha jA na! ye chaha iTarnala vastue~ haiM, unakA svabhAva kyA hai? ve unake guNadharma sahita haiN| kyoMki iTarnala vastu kise kahate haiM ki jo guNadharmasahita ho| khuda ke guNa bhI hote haiM aura dharma bhI hote haiN| dharma arthAt avasthAe~, paryAya! to ye chaha vastue~ khuda ke, guNa, paryAya sahita haiN| aura ve paddhatipUrvaka parivartita hotI haiM, eka-dUsare ke Amane-sAmane sbhii| jisa prakAra ki ina caMdra, pRthvI aura sUrya ke parivartita hone se grahaNa hotA hai, usI taraha ina tatvoM ke eka-dUsare ke sAtha meM parivartana hone se sabhI avasthAe~ utpanna ho jAtI haiN| aba jo guNa haiM, ve niraMtara sAtha meM rahate haiN| isalie unameM kamI yA bar3hautarI nahIM hotI, jaba ki paryAya, avasthAe~ badalatI rahatI haiN| use kyA kahA hai? ki paryAya utpanna hote haiM, phira unakA vinAza ho jAtA hai, utpanna-vinAza hote hI rahate haiM, lekina (tatva) dhruvatA nahIM chodd'taa| utpannavinAza hai, vaha avasthA se hai aura dhrauvatA svabhAva se hai hii|

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AptavANI-8 185 yAnI ye iTarnala vastue~ khuda ke guNa aura paryAya sahita haiM, aba ye paryAya kaise haiM? taba kahe, 'utpanna honA, vinAza honA / utpanna honA, vinAza honaa|' aura vastu 'paramAnenTa' rahatI hai| 'khuda' jIvita rahatA hai, hamezA rahatA hai, aura avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiM aura unakA vinAza hotA hai, isalie utpAda, dhrauvaaura vyaya kahA hai| ina tInoM ko ina logoM ne brahmA, viSNu aura mahezvara kahA hai| vaha bhI logoM ke fAyade ke lie, jaba ki loga samajhe alaga aura cupar3ane kI jo davAI thI use pI gae / cupar3ane kI pI jAe~ge to kyA fAyadA hogA? yAnI Apako samajha meM AyA na, brahmA, viSNu aura mahezA, ye kyA haiM? praznakartA : tIna tatva haiM 1 dAdAzrI : nahIM, ye tInoM tatva bhI nahIM hai, vastusthiti meM ! yAnI ki 'utpAda' ko ina logoM ne brahmA kahA hai / 'vyaya' ko saMhAraka kahA hai, maheza kahA hai aura 'dhrauvatA' ko viSNu kahA hai / unake ina logoM ne rUpaka sthApita kie| use khoja mAno na ! acchA karane gae, lekina phira bahuta samaya ke bAda meM ulTA ho hI jAtA hai na yA nahIM ho jAtA? isalie phira logoM ne brahmA kI mUrtiyA~ sthApita kI / aura ina logoM ne to gItA kI bhI mUrti banA dI, gAyatrI mAtA kI bhI mUrti banA dii| kucha bAkI hI nahIM rakhA na ! are, lekina gAyatrI mAtA kI mUrti mata bnaanaa| vaha to maMtra hai, bahuta uttama maMtra hai| aura isa maMtra ko maMtra kI taraha hI bolanA hai, mUrti kI taraha nahIM bhajanA hai| gItA hai, use par3hanA hai, samajhanA hai, usake bajAya gItA kI mUrti banA dI aura usake paira chue ! gItA kI mUrti ke paira chUne gae, isalie kRSNa bhagavAna ko bhUla ge| kRSNa bhagavAna eka aura raha gae aura yaha mUrti A gaI! isa taraha logoM ne ulTA kara diyA ! yAnI ki isake pIche jo sArA rahasya thA, vaha sArA rahasya mArA gayA !

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AptavANI-8 logoM ko acche rAste para le jAne ke lie kahA gayA thA, lekina jaba use ulTA ho jAe to use khodakara nikAla nahIM denA cAhie ? naye phAunDezana nahIM DAlane cAhie? 186 ve aise rUpaka rakhane gae to yaha prajA pha~sa gaI, isake bajAya sAinTiphika tarIqe se use 'jyoM kA tyoM' rahane dete to kyA burA thA ? galata hai isameM? ki bIca meM ina brahmA, viSNu, mahezvara ko lAe ! praznakartA : lekina dAdA, vaha kalpanA bhI aisI banAkara rakha dI hai, ki kitane hI varSoM se yaha kalpanA calI A rahI hai / dAdAzrI : aura mUla vastu milatI nahIM / use phira maiMne khojakara aba ina logoM ke sAmane rakhanA zurU kiyA hai| I yAnI ina tatvoM kI jo avasthAe~ haiM na, unake ye rUpaka rakhe haiM loga inheM bhUla na jAe~ isIlie / jaba ki logoM ne jAnA ki yahI loga saba calAnevAle haiN| viSNu calAte haiM, falAne calAte haiM, to kitane sAre UparI ho gae apane? praznakartA : tiin| dAdAzrI : nahIM, nahIM, tIna nahIM, kitane hI / phira yamarAja bhI UparI hai! jagaha-jagaha para UparI !! phira manuSya becArA ghabarA hI jAegA na? phira manuSya ghabarAyA huA nahIM dikhegA? isIlie maiMne kahA hai na ki koI bApa bhI UparI nahIM hai / parezAnI chor3o cupcaap| ApakI bhUleM aura Apake 'blaMDarsa' hI Apake UparI haiM! yaha Apa nahIM samajhe, usameM brahmA, viSNu aura mahezvara kyA kareMge? yAnI vastuoM kA svabhAva hai - utpAda, vyaya aura dhrauva ! vahA~ para siddhakSetra meM siddha bhagavAnoM ke lie yaha pUrA jagat utpAda, vyaya aura dhrauva se dikhatA rahatA hai| mUla guNoM se nahIM dikhatA / utpAda, vyaya aura dhrauva se dikhatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 aba ye avasthAe~ utpanna hotI haiM / isalie utpAda, vyaya aura dhrauva likhA hai| use phira dUsare zabdoM meM likhA hai, utpannevA, vighnevA aura dhruvevaa| 187 bAkI isa duniyA meM brahmA, viSNu aura maheza, ye sabhI rUpaka haiN| to kucha samaya taka ina rUpakoM se bahuta fAyadA huaa| aura vahI rUpaka abhI nukasAnadeha ho gae haiN| isalie hama ye rUpaka nikAla denA cAhate haiM ki bhAI, brahmA, viSNu aura maheza jaisA koI hai hI nahIM / tU hai aura bhagavAna haiM, do hI haiM / aura koI hai hI nahIM / aura yamarAja jaisA koI hai hI nhiiN| ye sArI bekAra kI bAteM tere mana meM se nikAla de| yaha maiM ' jaisA hai vaisA' kahanA cAhatA hU~ kyoMki abhI rUpakoM kI kyA z2arUrata haiM? rUpakoM kI to kaba z2arUrata thI? ki jaba gAya rakhI aura dUdha khAkara vApasa dhyAna meM baiTha jAte the! lekina unakI buddhi 'kalcarDa' nahIM thI / vaha kAla acchA thA isalie icchita vastu apane Apa hI ghara baiThe mila jAtI thI / taba phira logoM kI buddhi 'kalcarDa' ho sakatI thI kyA ? aura abhI to cInI nahIM milatI, ghI acchA nahIM milatA, falAnA nahIM milatA, dekho buddhi 'kalcarDa' ho gaI hai abhI to! aisI 'kalcarDa' buddhi to kisI bhI kAla meM nahIM thI / lekina yaha buddhi viparIta hai / ise samyak karanevAle cAhie / isI viparIta buddhi ko jJAnI samyak kara dete haiM / prakAza hai, lekina usakA upayoga ulTe rAste para karate haiN| usakA sahI rAste para upayoga kare, aisA kara denevAlA caahie| bAkI, abhI to loga vicArazIla ho gae haiN| pahale to aise saba vicArazIla the hI nhiiN| aura satyuga meM vicAra karane kA samaya hI nahIM thaa| satyuga meM to hara eka vastu ghara baiThe A jAtI hai, taba kisakA vicAra karane ko rahA? yAnI ki kaliyuga meM hI asala meM vicAra karanA par3atA hai I yaha saba banAvaTa hai| isa jagat meM koI aisA manuSya paidA nahIM huA hai ki jise saMDAsa jAne kI svataMtra zakti ho / ye to sabhI rUpaka rakhe gae haiN| yAnI ki ye jo kucha bhI likhI gaI haiM, ve sabhI galata bAteM haiN| jo buddhi se samajha meM nahIM Ae, to samajhanA ki vaha galata hai / logoM ko buddhi meM kisalie samajha meM AtA hai? taba kahate haiM, 'apane loga DhITha (mailI buddhivAle) ho gae haiN|' phaoNrina ke sAinTisToM ko pUcho na, to unakI

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AptavANI-8 buddhi cokhI hotI hai| aura apane logoM kI buddhi kaisI hai? DhITha / ye phaoNrinavAle kahate haiM, usake anusAra aisA ho hI nahIM sakatA / merI buddhi zurU se hI DhITha nahIM thI, isalie maiM samajha gayA ki yaha galata haMgAmA khar3A kara baiThe haiN| bAkI maiM to, agara sahI ho to use turanta sahI kaha detA huuN| aura maiM jisa pada para baiThA hU~ abhI, vahA~ para mujhe kyA kahanA cAhie? ki jo 'hai' use 'hA~' kahanA cAhie aura 'nahIM' hai use 'nA' kahanA caahie| agara 'nA' nahIM kaheMge to loga ulTe rAste para cleNge| nahIM pUcheMge to mujhe koI harja nahIM hai / lekina pUcheMge to mujhe bolanA cAhie ki yaha 'karekTa' hai yA nahIM / 188 dekho na, yamarAja ko bIca meM DAla diyA hai na? isa nAma kA koI bhI nahIM hai, yamarAja nAma kA koI jIva thA hI nhiiN| ve to niyamarAja the| aba aisA saba ghusA diyA hai| jo-jo rAjamahala hamane banAe the na, ve sabhI aba purAne ho gae haiM, isalie ulTA phala de rahe haiM, isalie inakA 'Dimolizana' (dhArAzayI) kro| kyoMki acchA phala kaba taka dete haiM ? naye-naye hoM, tabhI taka / phira madhyama prakAra kA, phira usase ardha madhyama prakAra kA aura phira burA phala dete haiN| to abhI ye burA phala de rahe haiN| isalie ise 'Dimoliza' kara do| jaba taka, jaise ki jaba nayA makAna ho taba taka, thor3e samaya taka, 'helpaphula' rahatA hai| lekina jaba purAnA ho jAtA hai taba sira para giratA hai yA nahIM? yahA~ se khaMbhe aura yahA~ se chata gira jAtI hai, yahA~ se pharza ukhar3a cukA hotA hai| aisI sthiti abhI ho gaI hai| yAnI ki 'helpaphula' bananA to na jAne kahA~ gayA, kitane hI varSoM se ye 'helpa' nahIM kara rahe haiN| lekina logoM ko ulajhana meM DAla diyA hai / aura inameM hai kucha bhI nhiiN| aba agara hama pUcheM ki brahmA, viSNu, mahezvara kyA haiM? ve kaheMge, 'bhAI, ye deva hI haiM na / ' yaha nahIM smjheNge| yaha to, 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke alAvA

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AptavANI-8 189 ise koI spaSTa nahIM kara sktaa| jaba buddhijanya jJAna se pare ho jAe~ge, tabhI ye bAteM spaSTa ho skeNgii| varnA buddhijanya jJAna se isakI spaSTatA nahIM ho sakatI, aura jagat to buddhijanya jJAna meM pha~sA huA hai| yAnI ki ina sArI bAtoM ko nahIM samajhane se bhrama ghusa gayA hai| praznakartA : merA bhrama nikala gyaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, ThIka hai| aura kucha pUchanA ho to puuchnaa| yahA~ pa sabakucha pUchA jA sakatA hai| mokSa arthAt sva-guNadharma meM pravRtta praznakartA : jise mokSa kahate haiM, vaha mokSa kyA cIz2a hai, vaha Apa samajhAie / dAdAzrI : mokSa arthAt khuda apane guNadharma meM A jAnA, apane svabhAva meM A jaanaa| aura sva-svarUpa meM rahakara niraMtara sanAtana sukha meM rahanA, vahI mokSa kahalAtA hai ! karekTanesa samajhanA, 'jJAnI' se praznakartA : kucha matAvalaMbI aisA bhI kahate haiM ki vahA~ mokSa meM Apako kyoM jAnA hai? vahA~ Apako svataMtra sukha nahIM hai| aise tAne mArate haiN| dAdAzrI : vaha to, ve carama sthiti para dhUla ur3A rahe haiN| ve loga unakI khuda kI dukAna calAne ke lie aisI saba dhUla ur3A rahe haiN| maiMne khoja kI hai ki 'karekTanesa' kyA hai ! maiM khoja karate-karate AyA hU~ aura sArI khoja karake lAyA hU~ / yAnI aise bolanevAle yadi kabhI yahA~ para A jAe~ge na, taba ve hI kaheMge, 'sAhaba, mujhe mokSa dIjie', kyoMki inakA mata badalane meM dera hI nahIM lagegI na! mata to saiddhAMtika honA caahie| praznakartA : yaha to ApakA pratApa hai na!

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190 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| lekina isameM galata hogA to nahIM clegaa| saccA hogA na, to sabhI ko qabUla karanA hI pdd'egaa| jo saccA hogA, vaha kisIse bhI rokA nahIM jA skegaa| unakA galata hai isalie chor3a denA par3egA na! phira bhI yaha duniyA hai, ataH ye loga jo kucha bhI kahate haiM, vaha unakA DevalapamenTa vaisA hai| aura itane taka agara DevalapamenTa nahIM hogA na to yaha kriyAkAMDa aura yaha saba nahIM hogA aura buddhi bar3hegI nhiiN| buddhi ke bar3hane ke bAda jalana bar3hatI jAtI hai aura jalana bar3hane ke bAda hI use mokSa kI z2arUrata par3atI hai| manuSya kI buddhi jitanI bar3hatI hai, usake 'kAunTara veTa' meM jalana utanI hI bar3hatI jAtI hai| hA~, vedAMta vagairaha saba buddhi bar3hAne ke sAdhana haiN| ve buddhi ko 'Devalapa' karate rahate haiM, aura jaba buddhi bar3hatI hai taba phira jalana utpanna hotI hai| taba kahatA hai, 'aba maiM kahA~ jAU~?' taba kahate haiM, 'vItarAga ke pAsa jaa|' lekina bhagavAna ne donoM ko eksepTa kiyA hai| vedAMtamArga se aura jainamArga se, donoM mArgoM se samakita hotA hai| donoM mArgoM dvArA, unake khuda ke svataMtra mArga meM rahakara samakita ho sakatA hai| AtmA ko baMdhana... praznakartA : to phira AtmA khuda svataMtra aura mukta hai, saccidAnaMda hai? dAdAzrI : svataMtra nahIM hai| yaha vApasa Apako kisane kahA ki AtmA svataMtra hai? praznakartA : zAstra aisA kahate haiM ki AtmA svataMtra hai| dAdAzrI : nahIM, saccidAnaMda svarUpa hai, lekina svataMtra nahIM hai| isalie to yaha hAla huA hai| svataMtra hotA taba to abhI mukti hI ho jAtI na! dera hI kyA lagatI? yaha to aisA ba~dhA huA hai, ki agara lohe kI moTI jaMjIra hotI na, usase ba~dhA huA hotA to hama 'gesa kaTiMga' karake

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AptavANI-8 191 kATa dete| lekina yaha to aise ba~dhA huA hai ki jo TUTa hI nahIM sktiiN| ve jaMjIre bhI kisa taraha kI haiM? kavi ne kyA likhA hai? 'adhAtu sAMkaLIe paramAtmA bNdiivaan|' adhAtu jaMjIroM se yAnI ki isa prakRti kI jaMjIroM meM ba~dhA huA hai| 'svataMtra' kisameM se par3hakara lAe ho? aisI jo pustakeM par3hate ho, ve 'sarTiphAiDa' kI huI pustakeM par3hate ho yA dUsarI 'ansarTiphAiDa' pustakeM par3hate ho? praznakartA : lekina zAstra to aisA hI kahate haiM ki AtmA svataMtra aura mukta hai| dAdAzrI : koI nahIM khtaa| svataMtra hotA to mokSa kA, mukti kA mArga hI kahA~ rahA phira? una zAstroM se kaheM, 'Apa kisalie pustakeM bane? ApakI kyA z2arUrata thI yahA~ para? AtmA svataMtra nahIM hai, isalie baMdhana meM se chur3avAne ke lie Apa sabhI ne janma liyA hai|' yadi svataMtra hotA to phira zAstra kI z2arUrata hotI kyA? jo aisA kahatA hai ki, 'AtmA ko baMdhana nahIM hai', usake lie 'mokSa bhI nahIM hai' aisA kahA jA sakatA hai aura jo aisA kahate haiM ki 'AtmA ko baMdhana hai', unake lie 'mokSa bhI hai' aisA kahanA pdd'egaa| yaha virodhAbhAsa jaisI vastu nahIM hai| Apako samajha meM AyA na? jo aisA mAnate haiM ki AtmA ko baMdhana nahIM hai, to phira use mokSa kI z2arUrata bhI nahIM hai| kyoMki AtmA mokSa meM hI hai| lekina mokSa svarUpa kyA hai, use samajhanA caahie| ___ kucha to aisA kahate haiM ki, 'AtmA ko baMdhana hI nahIM hai|' yaha bAta to saca hai| lekina yadi AtmA ko baMdhana nahIM hai, to phira maMdira meM kyoM jAte ho? zAstra kyoM par3hate ho? ciMtA kise hotI hai? yaha sArA phira virodhAbhAsa huA na? 'AtmA ko baMdhana nahIM hai' yaha bAta to sau pratizata saca hai, lekina kisa apekSA se bolanA hai? yaha to nirapekSa bAta hai| AtmA ko jJAnabhAva se baMdhana nahIM hai, ajJAnabhAva se baMdhana hai| agara Apako jJAnabhAva ho gayA ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' to 'Apako' baMdhana nahIM hai|

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192 AptavANI-8 aura jaba taka aisA bhAva hai ki 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' taba taka hI baMdhana hai| jo-jo Apako du:khadAyI lagatA hai, vaha baMdhana hI kahalAtA hai| varnA duniyA ke logoM ko to baMdhana kA bhI bhAna nahIM huA hai ki 'maiM baMdhana meM huuN|' kisI jIva ko baMdhana pasaMda hI nahIM hai| Apako baMdhana pasaMda hai? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : phira bhI rahanA kisameM par3atA hai? praznakartA : baMdhana meN| dAdAzrI : pUre dina baMdhana meM hI rahanA par3atA hai| jIvamAtra, sabhI baMdhana meM hI par3e hue haiN| hamAre jaise 'jJAnIpuruSa' mukta hote haiM, lekina ve kisI hI kAla meM varlDa meM ekAdha hote haiN| varnA jagat meM 'jJAnI' hote hI nahIM haiM na! 'jJAnIpuruSa' mukta hote haiM, yAnI ki ve khuda kisI bhI cIz2a se ba~dhe hue nahIM hote haiN| isalie unheM bojha nahIM lagatA, bhaya nahIM lagatA, kucha bhI, koI bhI cIz2a unheM sparza nahIM krtii| aura jIva ko 'khuda' aisA hI banane kI z2arUrata hai| lekina vaha to jaba, 'jJAnIpuruSa' hoM, taba unake pAsa jAkara hI aisA ho sakatA hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' to haz2AroM varSoM taka avatarita nahIM hote| 'jJAnIpuruSa' to kabhI hI avatarita hote haiM, taba mukta huA jA sakatA hai| mokSadAtA milane se, mile mokSa praznakartA : mokSa, vaha AzA kI niSpatti hai, aisA kahA jA sakatA dAdAzrI : nahIM, mokSa to khuda kA svabhAva hI hai| praznakartA : to phira kitane hI logoM ne bAra-bAra mokSa kI prApti ke rAste hI kyoM batAe haiM?

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AptavANI-8 193 dAdAzrI : vAstava meM to aisA hai na, ve unakI bhASA kA mokSa kahate haiN| bAkI mokSa kI to kisIko par3I hI nahIM hai| sabhIko yahI cAhie ki 'hamaku kyA, hama kauna?' aisA hI caahie| aura yadi koI saccA jJAnIpuruSa nikale na, to use yaha mokSa kA mArga mile binA rahegA hI nhiiN| yaha to kucha na kucha dAnata khorI hai aura mAna-tAna meM aura 'hama' meM par3e hue haiM, usameM kucha bhI prApti nahIM kI hai| 'hama' arthAt ahaMkAra, jaba yaha ahaMkAra khatma ho jAegA na, to bhagavAna bana jaaegaa| praznakartA : mokSa mA~gane se mila jAtA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : mA~gane se sabhIkucha mila jAtA hai, lekina mokSadAtA hoM, tb| mokSadAtA hone cAhie, ve khuda mokSa meM rahate hoM taba, bAkI bAhara to kisIse mokSa kI bAta karanI hI nahIM caahie| vahA~ para to dharma kI bAta karanA, ve Apako acche dharma kI tarafa le jaaeNge| praznakartA : mokSadAtA kahA~ para DhU~DheM? dAdAzrI : yahA~ para 'ye' hI akele haiN| jaba AnA ho taba aanaa| varnA Apake dosta ko mokSa mila jAe taba aanaa| use svAda Ae taba usase pUchakara aanaa| mokSa prApti kA bhAva kisakA? praznakartA : mokSa to jIva kA karanA hai na? dAdAzrI : jo ba~dhA huA hai, usakA mokSa karanA hai| praznakartA : jo ba~dhA huA hai, vaha kauna hai? dAdAzrI : jo bhogatA hai vaha, jo baMdhana avasthA bhogatA hai, vaha ba~dhA huA hai| praznakartA : 'parTIkyularalI' usakA nAma kyA hai?

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194 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : baMdhana avasthA kauna bhogatA hai? praznakartA : jIva hI bhogatA hai na? dAdAzrI : Apa nahIM bhogate haiM? praznakartA : Apa matalaba kauna? dAdAzrI : taba kauna bhogatA hai? jIva? aura Apa dekhate rahate ho? mu~ha se to aisA kahate ho na ki 'maiM bhogatA huuN|' praznakartA : maiM arthAt kauna, yaha savAla hai| dAdAzrI : vahI, ahNkaar| praznakartA : ahaMkAra, vaha jIva kA svarUpa hI hai na? dAdAzrI : jIva ko to eka tarafa rkho| jIva ko kyA lenA-denA? jIva to vastu nahIM hai na! vaha to AtmA kA vizeSaNa hai, ki bhAI, aisA ahaMkAra hai taba taka jIvAtmA hai| ahaMkAra khatma huA to AtmA mukta hai| lekina ahaMkAra kama ho jAe aura khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna ho jAe to aMtarAtmA ho gayA aura aMtarAtmA hone ke bAda meM phira paramAtmA ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : to mokSa prApti kA bhAva, vaha kisakA bhAva kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : mokSa prApti kA bhAva, vaha ba~dhe hue kA hai| jo ba~dhA huA hai, use mukta hone kI icchA hai| yAnI ki yaha ahaMkAra kA bhAva hai| AtmA ko vaisA bhAva nahIM hai| AtmA to mukta hI hai na! praznakartA : AtmA bhoktA nahIM hai, to vaha kisase chUTanA cAhatA dAdAzrI : chUTane kA bhAva usakA nahIM hai| vaha mukta hI hai| yaha jo ba~dhA huA hai use chUTanA hai| jo ba~dhA huA hai vaha bhoktA hai aura vahI kartA bhI hai| jo kartA hai, vahI bhoktA hai, vahI chUTanA cAhatA hai!

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AptavANI-8 195 aisA hai, yaha baMdhana bhI ahaMkAra ne hI khar3A kiyA hai aura yaha mukti bhI ahaMkAra DhU~Dha rahA hai| kyoMki ahaMkAra ko aba yaha pusAtA nahIM hai| yaha to 'usane' aisA samajhA ki isameM koI svAda AegA, lekina koI svAda nahIM AyA, isalie phira mukti DhU~Dha rahA hai| bAkI AtmA mukta hI hai, svabhAva se hI mukta hai| 'AtmA svabhAva se hI mukta hai' itanA hI yadi 'use' samajha meM A jAe to basa, kAma ho gyaa| ... aura AvAgamana bhI ahaMkAra kA hI praznakartA : aura AtmA to ajanma hI hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, 'AtmA' svabhAva se hI ajanma hai aura 'khuda' bhI ajanma hI hai| lekina jaba 'khuda' 'AtmArUpa' ho jAegA to 'khuda' ajanma ho jaaegaa| bAkI 'khuda' to 'caMdUlAla' ho gae, isalie yaha 'TemparerI eDajasTamenTa' milA hai| baoNDI kA mAlika banA aura mAnA ki 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' aura yaha baoNDI bhI 'maiM hI hU~', to jaba 'yaha' maratI hai usake sAtha 'hameM' bhI maranA par3atA hai| praznakartA : AtmA ajanma-amara hai, to AvAgamana kisakA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA ajanma-amara hai hI aura zuddha hI hai| sirpha usa para ina pA~ca tatvoM kA asara ho gayA hai aura usa asara se mukta ho jAe to AtmA mukta hI hai| vaha ajanma-amara hI hai| jaba khuda kA svarUpa jAna jAegA to AvAgamana ke saba cakkara baMda ho jaaeNge| praznakartA : lekina AvAgamana kA cakkara kise hai? dAdAzrI : jo ahaMkAra hai na, usakA AvAgamana hai| AtmA to jaisA thA usI dazA meM hai| phira jaba ahaMkAra baMda ho jAtA hai, taba usake cakkara (phere) baMda ho jAte haiN| yAnI ki ye janma-maraNa AtmA ke nahIM haiN| AtmA paramAnenTa' vastu hai| ye janma-maraNa 'igoiz2ama' ke haiN| 'igoiz2ama', vaha khuda janma letA hai aura vApasa DaoNkTara sAhaba se kahegA, 'sAhaba, mujhe bacAie, bcaaie|' are,

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196 AptavANI-8 tU 'paramAnenTa' nahIM hai? taba kahatA hai, 'nahIM, maiM to TemparerI huuN|' yAnI ki yaha saba 'igoiz2ama' kA hI haMgAmA hai| isa 'igoiz2ama' ko sirpha 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI nikAla sakate haiN| 'igoiz2ama', vaha ajJAna kA pariNAma hai aura usase yaha saMsAra khar3A hai| hamameM 'igoiz2ama' bilkula khatma ho cukA hai| praznakartA : ahaMkAra aura AtmA yaha saba ikaTThA kaise ho gayA, yaha abhI bhI samajha meM nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : yaha vizeSa pariNAma hI hai sirph| duHkha, AtmA svarUpa ko hai hI nahIM praznakartA : aba manuSya svarga meM jAe yA narka meM jAe, parantu vahA~ para bhI AtmA to sukha yA duHkha se to alaga hI rahegA na? dAdAzrI : AtmA to alaga hI rahatA hai, lekina usase hameM kyA fAyadA? jaba taka ahaMkAra hai taba taka sukha aura duHkha bhogatA hai aura duHkha use pasaMda nahIM hai| praznakartA : AtmA ko to kucha nahIM hotA na, merA aisA pUchanA thaa| dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, Apake pAsa sone kI ginnI ho, to use Apa bhale kahIM bhI rakha do, phira bhI usa para jaMga nahIM lagegA, lekina yadi vaha ginnI kho jAe to ginnI ko duHkha nahIM hotA, lekina Apako duHkha hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? usI prakAra AtmA ko koI duHkha hai hI nhiiN| yaha jo ahaMkAra hai na use du:kha hotA hai| yaha ahaMkAra calA jAe to AtmA ho gayA aura ahaMkAra hai taba taka vaha AtmA nahIM hai| praznakartA : isa udAharaNa meM ginnI aura maiM, donoM alaga-alaga haiM na, lekina kyA isameM bhI aise alaga-alaga hI hote hoMge? dAdAzrI : ye bhI alaga hI haiN| lekina vaha Apako dikhatA nahIM hai| isa ginnI kA jisa taraha se alaga hai na, usI taraha hameM bhI 'AtmA' alaga dikhatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 197 praznakartA : yAnI ki AtmA deha meM rahe phira bhI mokSa meM hai, aisA kaha sakate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha mukta hI hotA hai| lekina jaba yaha 'jJAna' dete haiM na, usase 'use' khuda kI muktatA kA bhAna hotA hai| bAkI aMdara AtmA khuda mukta hI hai, use kucha duHkha hai hI nhiiN| lekina yaha duHkha to kise hai? ahaMkAra ko| vaha calA gayA yAnI ki duHkha calA gyaa| ahaMkAra ne hI yaha saba khar3A kiyA hai, bhagavAna se judA ho gayA hai, bheda DAlA hai| yaha ahaMkAra gayA to phira du:kha nahIM rhegaa| praznakartA : to phira AtmA kA sthAna kahA~ para hotA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda hI mokSasvarUpa hai| usakA sthAna kahIM aura nahIM hai| usakA khuda kA svabhAva hI mokSa hai| vibhAva dazA ko lekara yaha saba utpanna ho gayA hai| jaise isa sone kA svabhAva hotA hai, to ise lAkha varSoM taka rakhe raho to bhI usake svabhAva meM farka nahIM aataa| jaba ki sonA aura tAMbA donoM ikaTThe hoM, miksacara ho gayA ho to badala jAtA hai| praznakartA : 'mokSa prApta kiyA', isakA artha kyA hai? AtmA kA kArya yahA~ para pUrA ho gayA? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA kArya to pUrA hI hai| jo ba~dhA huA thA na, vaha mukta huaa| jisa para duHkha par3a rahA thA vaha, jo ba~dhA huA thA usakA duHkha gayA, vaha khuda mukta ho gyaa| jo judA ho gayA thA na AtmA se, ahaMkAra, vahI ahaMkAra khuda ke svarUpa meM vilIna ho gayA, taba kAma ho gyaa| judA ho gayA thA isalie duHkha bhoga rahA thaa| nAsamajhI se judAI kara rakhI thI, bheda ho gayA thaa| ina logoM ne nAma diyA ki 'caMdU', to usa nAma meM 'khuda' tanmayAkAra ho gyaa| isalie 'usakA' kAma tamAma ho gyaa| 'AtmA' to avinAzI hai| usakA kAma to ho hI cukA hai| lekina vaha

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198 AptavANI-8 yahA~ se kaba mukta hogA? jaba yaha bhedabuddhi TUTa jAegI to mukta ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : mukta hone ke bAda vaha kyA karatA hai? dAdAzrI : phira siddhagati ho gii| vahA~ para niraMtara paramAnaMda meM rhegaa| yaha deha hai taba taka bojhA rahA karatA hai| isa deha kA bhI bojhA hai| jisa deha se sukha nahIM bhoganA hai, vaha deha jJAniyoM ke lie bojha samAna hotI hai| lekina aura koI cArA hI nahIM hai na! jaba taka usakI 'DiscArja limiTa' rahatI hai, taba taka chuTakArA hI nahIM ho sakatA na! dvaMdvoM ne die baMdhana praznakartA : AtmA mokSa meM calA jAtA hai, usake bAda vaha dehadhAraNa nahIM karatA hai, lekina hara eka AtmA mokSa meM hI hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai| anaMta AtmA isa taraha saMjogoM meM pha~se hue haiN| ve mokSa meM jAne ke lie, khuda ke svabhAva meM Ane kA prayatna kara rahe haiN| lekina yaha jo anAtmA hai, vaha use svabhAva meM Ane hI nahIM detaa| aura anAtmA bhI pahale se aise kA aisA hI hai| yAnI ye sabhI AtmA kahIM mokSa meM nahIM pahuMca gae haiN| praznakartA : yAnI AtmA ne abhI taka mokSa dekhA hI nahIM hai? dAdAzrI : dekhA hI nahIM hai| bAkI, khuda kA svabhAva hI mokSa hai| lekina ye saMyoga kaise haiM? dvaMdva rUpI haiN| yaha jo jar3a vibhAga hai, anAtma vibhAga hai, vaha dvaMdva rUpI meM hai| dvaMdva arthAt fAyadA-nukasAna, sukha-du:kha, rAga- dveSa, yAnI ina sabhI dvaMdvoM ke svabhAva kA khuda apane Apa meM AropaNa kara detA hai, isalie use baMdhana rahatA hai| ina saMyogoM kA dabAva kama ho jAe to phira 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAte haiM, nimitta mila jAe~, taba mokSa hotA hai| varnA yoM hI to mokSa nahIM ho jaataa| phira bhI sabhI AtmA mokSa kI tarafa hI jA rahe haiN| lekina phira jaise nimitta mileM, vaise hI vaha cakkara lagAtA hai phir| yahA~ para manuSyoM meM hI cakkara lagAne haiM phira se, yA phira jahA~ para bhI cakkara

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AptavANI-8 199 lagAe, vaha ThIka hai| use koI aisA Ter3hA nimitta mila jAe, to narkagati meM bhI le jA sakatA hai yA pazuyoni meM bhI le jA sakatA hai| lekina mokSa sAdhe to kAma kA praznakartA : mokSa prApta karane ke lie isa deha kI sAdhana ke rUpa meM z2arUrata hai kyA? dAdAzrI : manuSya deha hI mokSa prApti kA sabase bar3A sAdhana hai| mokSa to devagati meM bhI nahIM ho sakatA, jAnavaragati meM bhI nahIM ho sakatA, anya kisI yoni meM nahIM ho sktaa| sirpha manuSya janma hI aisA hai ki usameM pA~coM gatiyA~ khulI huI haiN| kyA sarvAtmA kA mokSa saMbhava hai? praznakartA : sabhI AtmA pUrNa kakSA meM kaba pahu~ceMge? dAdAzrI : sabhI AtmA mokSa meM cale jAe~ge to phira yahA~ para saMsAra rahegA hI nhiiN| to saMsAra kA nAza karane kI icchA hai ApakI? ApakI icchA kyA hai? praznakartA : AtmA meM to jJAna hai, to dhIre-dhIre vaha kakSA to AegI na ki ve mokSa meM jA sakeM? dAdAzrI : hA~, kakSA AtI hai| usa kakSA meM Ate hI haiM, aura mokSa meM jA hI rahe haiM, lekina Apa yaha batAo ki pUre jagat ke sabhI AtmA agara mokSa meM cale jAe~ to isa saMsAra ke nAza kI Apane bhAvanA kI hai ki yaha saMsAra nahIM rahe aura yaha saMsAra to AtmA ke DevalapamenTa kI cIz2a hai| mUla AtmA to 'DelavapDa' hI hai, 'AtmA' khuda pUrNa hI hai, lekina abhI 'sabakI' aisI zreNI utpanna ho gaI hai, ki ye paudgalika mAnyatA meM rUr3ha ho gae haiN| ve mAnyatAe~ haTate-haTate-haTate-haTate mUla caitanya svarUpa kI bhAvanA utpanna hogI, taba pUrNAhuti hogii| praznakartA : yAnI ki koI AtmA mokSa meM pahu~ca hI nahIM sakatA?

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AptavANI- -8 dAdAzrI : are, mokSa meM to bahuta sAre pahu~ca sakate haiM na? maiM abhI bhI mokSa meM hI hU~ na! 200 praznakartA : aisA nahIM ho sakatA ki sabhI AtmA mokSa meM cale jAe~? 'posibala' hai kyA ? dAdAzrI : mA~ aura beTA donoM eka-sI umra ke ho pAe~ge kyA kabhI? jisa dina beTA aura mA~ eka-sI umra ke ho jAe~ge, usa dina pUrA jagat mokSa meM calA jAegA / aisA hai 'pUrA jagat mokSa meM jAe' aisI bhAvanA karane ke adhikArI haiN| lekina vaha rUpaka meM kabhI bhI AegA nahIM / vaha rUpaka meM kaba AegA ki jaba mA~ aura beTA eka hI umra ke hoMge taba / eka vyakti ne mujhe kahA, 'pUre jagat ko mokSa meM le jAie na !' maiMne kahA, "Apako samajhAtA hU~ / isa pUre jagat ke jIva 'vaoNrIyarsa' (yoddhA) bana jAe~ to kisa para 'aTaika' kareMge? pUre jagat ke sabhI jIva DaoNkTara hI bana jAe~ to kisakA ilAja kareMge? pUre jagat ke sabhI jIva nAI bana jAe~ to kisake bAla kATeMge? aura sabhI suthAra bana jAe~ to kisakA kAma kareMge?" taba usane kahA, 'samajha gayA, samajha gayA, aba phira se aisA nahIM boluuNgaa|' kudarata kA prabaMdhana hai, isalie hama aisA nahIM kahate ki bahuta sAre loga ikaTThe ho jaao| yaha to usakA prabaMdhana hI hai ki 'vyavasthita' rUpa se saba Ate haiN| nahIM to hama ciTThiyA~ nahIM likhavAte? lekina nahIM, ye saba hisAba apanI jagaha para seTa hI haiM / isalie hameM yaha upAdhi nahIM karanI hai| yaha to hama yahA~ para Ate haiM aura jAte haiN| Apako samajha meM AyA yaha ? yaha saMsAra khuda hI pravAha ke rUpa meM hai aura anAdi se yaha pravAha baha hI rahA hai| isameM sabhI jIvoM kA mokSa to hogA hI, jaldI yA dera se, vaha usakA krama hI hai / krama arthAt eka samaya meM eka sau ATha jIva mokSa meM jAte hI rahate haiM, pravAha ke rUpa meM !

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AptavANI-8 201 praznakartA : eka samaya meM eka sau ATha jIva mokSa meM jAte haiM, vaha kahA~ se hai? dAdAzrI : sabhI paMdraha kSetroM meM se milAkara eka sau ATha jIva mokSa meM jAte haiN| jaise apane yahA~ pulisavAle kI pArTI jAtI hai na, vaha cAra kI jor3I eka ke pIche eka aise calatI hI rahatI hai, jaise pravAha jA rahA ho usa taraha se calatA hI rahatA hai, usI taraha yaha eka sau ATha jIvoM kA pravAha isa tarafa se vyavahAra meM se mokSa meM jAtA hai, siddhakSetra meM jAtA hai / taba utane hI dUsare jIva avyavahAra rAzi meM se vyavahAra rAzi meM A jAte haiM, yAnI ki vyavahAra meM eka bhI jIva kama - z2yAdA nahIM hotA, eka bhI jIva bar3hatA nahIM hai, ghaTatA nahIM hai| vyavahAravAle jIva kise kahate haiM? jinakA nAma par3a cukA hai, ve sabhI vyavahAra jIva haiM, jisakA nAma nahIM diyA gayA, vaha jIva vyavahAra meM nahIM AyA hai / aura jisakA nAma gayA, vaha siddhakSetra meM calA gyaa| namo siddhANaM, kI bhajanA dhyeya svarUpa se praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM na ki Upara koI bApa bhI nahIM hai, lekina Upara siddhaloka to hai na? dAdAzrI : vaha to siddhaloka hai, siddhakSetra hai, aura ve loga jo mokSa meM cale gae haiM na, ve to mukta ho cuke haiM, ve apanI sunate bhI nahIM aura kisIkA kucha kahate bhI nahIM, kisIke lie lAgaNI bhI nahIM aura kucha bhI nhiiN| ve to unake khuda ke sukha meM masta ! ve hamAre kisI bhI kAma meM nahIM aate| ve apane dhyeya ke rUpa meM haiM / 'namo siddhANaM' kahA, vaha sirpha dhyeya kI taraha hai ki ' bhAI, hameM yaha dazA cAhie / ' praznakartA : hama loga kahate haiM na ki 'namo siddhANaM', to vaha namaskAra unheM pahu~cate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : unheM nahIM pahu~ce phira bhI apane aMdara siddha baiThe haiM, unheM to pahu~ca gyaa| aMdara jo baiThe haiM na, vaha AtmA siddha hI hai na! hameM to

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202 AptavANI-8 kAma se kAma hai na! hameM namaskAra pahu~cAne cAhie vahA~ pr| aura apanI z2immedArI pahu~cAne kI hai, ki sAhaba ko ciTThI likha dii| siddha kI nahIM hai pravRtti, phira bhI kriyA praznakartA : jo siddha ho cuke haiM, Izvara unheM yahA~ para kAma karane ke lie bhejate haiM? dAdAzrI : koI nahIM bhejtaa| bhejanevAlA koI hai hI nhiiN| yahA~ para bhejanevAlI kisI cIz2a kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| kisIkI bhI z2arUrata nahIM par3e, aisA yaha jagat hai| ApakA UparI koI hai hI nhiiN| isa duniyA meM kisI jIva kA koI UparI hai hI nhiiN| khuda kI bhUla aura 'blaMDarsa' hI UparI haiN| praznakartA : to siddhakSetra meM una siddha bhagavaMto kI pravRtti kyA hai? dAdAzrI : jisakI pravRtti hotI hai, use 'mikenikala' kahate haiN| ve mikenikala nahIM haiN| praznakartA : nahIM, lekina mokSa meM jAne ke bAda vahA~ para pravRtti hai yA nivRtti? dAdAzrI : vahA~ nivRtti bhI nahIM hotI, pravRtti bhI nahIM hotI, phira bhI 'jJAnakriyA' aura 'darzanakriyA' hai| nivRtti bhI hai aura ye kriyAe~ bhI haiN| pravRtti meM nahIM kahalAte, phira bhI kriyA hai| siddhakSetra kI kaisI adbhutatA praznakartA : to siddhakSetra meM jo sabhI AtmAe~ haiM, ve sabhI khuda apane Apa meM hI haiM? dAdAzrI : hA~, unheM kisI aura ke sAtha koI lenA-denA hI nahIM hai| aisA hai na, isa jagat meM kisIkA kisIse bhI lenA-denA hai hI nhiiN| aura jo kucha hai vaha nimitta mAtra hai| yaha maiM bhI nimitta hI huuN| praznakartA : siddhakSetra meM jaba hama jAe~go, to vahA~ para sirpha baiThe rahanA hai? aura dekhate hI rahanA hai?

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AptavANI-8 203 dAdAzrI : vaha ApakI bhASAvAlA 'baiThe rahanA' nahIM hai| vahA~ khar3e bhI nahIM rahanA hai aura baiThe bhI nahIM rahanA hai, vahA~ para leTanA bhI nahIM hai| vahA~ para naI hI taraha kA hai| praznakartA : sirpha dekhate hI rahanA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha kalpanA kI vastu nahIM hai| Apa kalpanA se dekhanA cAhate ho, aisI vastu nahIM hai vh| praznakartA : siddhazilA kaisI hotI hai? dAdAzrI : siddhazilA to, jahA~ para khuda karma ko cipakanA ho, phira bhI cipaka nahIM sake, aisI jagaha hai aura yahA~ to apanI icchA nahIM ho phira bhI karma cipaka jAte haiN| ye karma ke paramANu niraMtara sabhI jagaha para hote haiN| yahA~ to paramANu taiyAra hI rahate haiM aura vahA~ una para kucha asara hI nahIM hotaa| bhagavAna! hamezA ke lie vahI pada! praznakartA : vahA~ siddhakSetra meM paramANu nahIM haiM? dAdAzrI : vahA~ para kucha bhI nahIM hai| ve siddha bhagavaMta yahA~ ke sabhI jJeyoM ko khuda dekha sakate haiN| lekina vahA~ unakI jagaha meM jJeya nahIM hote| vaha siddhakSetra to, sabhI siddhoM ke rahane kA sthala hai eka prakAra kA, use siddhakSetra kahate haiN| praznakartA : siddhakSetra brahmAMDa meM hai yA brahmAMDa ke bAhara hai? dAdAzrI : brahmAMDa kI sImA rekhA para hai, aMtima sImA para hai| Apa apanI bhASA meM samajha jAo, hara koI apanI-apanI bhASA meM le jAtA hai phir| lekina siddhakSetra brahmAMDa ke bAhara bhI nahIM hai, lekina aMtima sImArekhA para hotA hai| g2az2aba kA siddhapada, vahI aMtima lakSya praznakartA : siddhakSetra meM jo siddhAtmA siddha ho cuke haiM, unheM phira

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204 AptavANI-8 'inDIvijyualI AiDenTiphAya' (hara eka kI alaga pahacAna) kiyA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA 'inDIvijyuala' nahIM hotaa| unheM to khuda kA astitva, vastutva aura pUrNatva kA bhAna rahatA hai ki 'maiM hU~', itanA hii| vahA~ para 've haiM' aisA kucha bhI nahIM hai| 'maiM hU~' utanA hI bhAna hara eka ko rahatA hai, svataMtra bhAna meM, aura kisI anya kI koI bAta hI nahIM, jhaMjhaTa hI nhiiN| vahA~ para vyaktibheda nahIM hai, vahA~ para paraspara saMbaMdha nahIM haiN| yaha to yahIM para sAre paraspara saMbaMdha haiM, 'rileTiva' hai| aura vahA~ para to 'riyala' hai, 'ebsolyUTa' hai, usameM koI paraspara hai hI nhiiN| vahA~ para to khuda ke astitva kA bhAna rahatA hai, vastutva kA bhAna rahatA hai aura pUrNatva kA bhAna rahatA hai| praznakartA : sabhI ko sukha hI hai na vahA~ para? dAdAzrI : sabhI ko eka hI samAna sukha hai| vastutva ke bhAna meM to atyaMta paramAnaMda rahatA hai| praznakartA : jaise sinemA thiyeTara meM hAusaphula ho jAtA hai, vaise hI siddhakSetra meM bhI hAusaphula ho jAtA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : yaha apanI kalpanA hai| vahA~ para to itanI adhika vizAlatA hai ki vahA~ para anaMta siddha hone ke bAvajUda, abhI bhI vahA~ para anaMta siddha jAte rheNge| sabakucha anaMta hai vahA~ para to| praznakartA : isa duniyA meM jar3a tatva hogA, tabhI AtmA raha sakatA hai na, nahIM to akelA AtmA nahIM raha sakatA na? dAdAzrI : yaha ThIka khaa| AtmA akelA isa jagat meM raha hI nahIM sktaa| vaha to kevala siddhagati meM hI sAre akele AtmA haiN| praznakartA : siddhagati ke alAvA kI jo paristhiti hai, vahA~ para sirpha AtmA hI nahIM raha sakate? dAdAzrI : hA~, yaha sahI bAta hai|

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AptavANI-8 205 praznakartA : yaha to phira aisA bhI ho sakatA hai na ki mokSa meM jAne ke bAda phira se yaha sabakucha mila jAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha bhI nahIM hotA / isakA kAraNa yaha hai ki yahA~ para jo aisA ho gayA hai na, vaha to yahA~ ke saba saMyoga haiN| isa loka meM aise saMyoga haiM, isalie aisA ho hI jAtA hai / lekina vahA~ para aise koI saMyoga nahIM haiN| isalie aisA hogA hI nahIM / phira se aisA kucha milegA hI nahIM / do vastue~ jaba sAtha meM hotI haiM, taba apane - apane guNadharma kA tyAga kie binA, vizeSa guNadharma vahA~ para utpanna hote haiM / ve vizeSa guNadharma, vahI yaha saMsAra hai| aba agara siddhakSetra meM bhI pudgala hotA na, to vahA~ para bhI yaha vizeSa bhAva utpanna ho jaataa| lekina vahA~ para pudgala nahIM hai / praznakartA : siddhakSetra meM AtmA kI avagAhanA par3atI hai (jitanI jagaha AtmA phailA huA hai), usase bAhara bhI pudgala paramANu haiM na? dAdAzrI : lekina vaha siddhakSetra se bAhara hai, yAnI ki sirpha nIce ke bhAga meM hI hai / aura vaha siddhoM para asara nahIM karatA aisI sthiti meM hai / vaha siddhakSetra lokAloka ke bIca meM hai I praznakartA : siddhakSetra meM jo paristhiti hai, usakA asara dUsare lokoM meM par3atA hai kyA? dAdAzrI : bilkula bhI nahIM / asara kA kyA lenA-denA? koI lenAdenA hI nahIM hai| aura unheM, siddhoM para koI asara hI nahIM hotA na, kisI bhI prakAra kA / praznakartA : unheM asara nahIM hotA, lekina unakA asara bAhara AtA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, unake asara kA yahA~ para kucha nahIM hotA, phira bhI aisA hai na, ki vaha apanA lakSyasthAna hai ki hameM vahA~ para jAnA hai|

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khaMDa : 2 'maiM kauna hU~?' jAneM kisa taraha? aba, phere TaleM kisa taraha? praznakartA : aba z2arA yaha pUchanA thA ki janma-maraNa ke phere TAlane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : aba pA~cave Are meM bole? cauthe Are meM phere Tala sakate the aisA thA, taba vahA~ para kiyA nahIM aura usa ghar3I caTanI khAne ko par3e rhe| sirpha caTanI hI, sirpha caTanI kA hI zauqa, isIlie par3e rhe| jaba vahA~ para ArAma se janma-maraNa ke phere Tala sakate the, taba vahA~ para kucha kiyA nahIM, aba abhI yahA~ para Ae ho to upAya nahIM rahA, yaha caTanI to milI, lekina upAya nahIM rhaa| aba caTanI chUTegI, aisA lagatA hai? praznakartA : zAyada chUTa bhI jaae| dAdAzrI : hA~, janma-maraNa ke phere TAlane ke lie 'khuda kauna hai' isakA jJAna prApta honA caahie| samakita prApta honA caahie| praznakartA : jaba taka isa jIvana kA hetu jAneMge nahIM, taba taka sabhI bAteM arthahIna haiN| vaha hetu hI jAnanA hai| vahA~ para hI mUla prazna kI bAta AtI hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| yaha mUla prazna kI bAta sahI hai| aisA hai na, mAno ki eka seTha haiM, bahuta hI sukhI insAna haiM, mila ke mAlika haiN| jaba bAteM kareM na, to mila ke do haz2Ara loga hoM na, lekina ve saba loga bhI khuza ho jAe~ aisI bAteM hotI haiM unakI, aisI samajhadArI hotI hai| vinaya bahuta

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AptavANI-8 207 suMdara hotA hai| lekina zAma ko z2arA thaka gae hoM, aura botala pIe~, phira kaise ho jAte haiM? taba phira brAnDI kA nazA car3hatA rahatA hai, isalie khuda kI avasthA bhUlate jAte haiN| khuda kI jAgRti Dima hotI jAtI hai, phira aMdhApana khar3A ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : zarAba ke naze meM saba bhAna bhUla jAtA hai, usI taraha adhyAtma meM loga kisa taraha bhAna bhUla jAte haiM? dAdAzrI : adhyAtma meM, yaha moha kA nazA car3hA huA hai, vaha utaratA nahIM hai| usa naze meM loga bola rahe haiN| Apa jo ye sabhI bAta-cIta kara rahe ho na, vaha moha kI zarAba pIkara bola rahe ho| ina sabhI 'mahAtmAoM' kA nazA utAra diyA hai, lekina ApakA to nahIM utArA hai aura naze meM hI bola rahe ho| yAnI ki jaba vaha nazA utara jAegA, taba 'isa jIvana kA hetu kyA hai' vaha saba samajha meM A jAegA, turanta patA cala jaaegaa| jaise seTha kA nazA utara jAne ke bAda seTha jaise the vaise hI ho jAte haiM na! vApasa kaisI suMdara bAte karate haiM phira se| yAnI ki isameM brAnDI kA nazA car3hA huA hai, aura jagat ko moha kA nazA car3hA huA hai, brAnDIvAle para to do-tIna ghar3e ThaMDA pAnI DAla deM na, to nazA utara jAtA hai| aura isameM to, moha kA nazA to utaratA hI nahIM hai na aura phira himAlaya meM jAo yA kahIM bhI jAo, lekina jahA~ dekho vahA~ para (moharUpI) zarAba pIe hae loga hI hote haiN| ghara-patnI-bacce sabakucha choDa detA hai, lekina 'hama' nahIM chuutttaa| vaha 'hama, hama, hama' meM hI rahatA hai| jaba 'hama' calA jAe, taba paramAtmA bana jAtA hai| 'Apa' khuda hI 'paramAtmA' ho, lekina usakA 'Apako' bhAna nahIM hai, jAgRti nahIM hai na! praznakartA : hama mUla bAta para A jAe~ ki, duniyA meM manuSyoM ko kisalie jInA cAhie? dAdAzrI : mokSa ke lie jInA caahie| lekina phira bhI samajha nahIM ho to phira ye sabhI loga strI ke lie jIte haiM, paisoM ke lie jIte haiM, aura kisI cIz2a ke lie jIte haiM, lekina yaha nAsamajhI se hai saaraa| hetu

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208 AptavANI-8 jAnate nahIM aura kucha bhI hetu banA dete haiN| aura agara hetu jAnate ki yaha manuSyajanma, hindustAna kA manuSyajanma mokSa ke lie hI hai... lekina yaha mokSamArga nahIM jAnane ke kAraNa kucha bhI hetu banA dete haiM, hetu badala jAtA hai| pUre jagat ke loga jo-jo karate haiM, vaha pUrA saMsAra hI hai, bhale hI kucha bhI kara rahe hoM, phira bhI saMsAra hI hai, eka bAra bhI saMsAra se bAhara nahIM jaate| ise para-ramaNatA kahate haiN| yAnI ki hetu hI dekhA jAtA hai| hetu kI hI qImata hai ki kisa hetu se kara rahe haiM! Atmahetu ke lie koI bhI kriyA kI jAe phira bhI usameM hetu hI jamA hotA hai, phira kriyA nahIM dekhI jaatii| ApakA sirpha mokSa kA hI hetu hai aura ApakA vaha hetu maz2abUta hogA, to Apa z2arUra usa mArga ko prApta kroge| bAkI auroM ke to tarahataraha ke hetu haiM aNdr| mu~ha para bolate haiM ki mokSa kA hetu hai lekina aMdara meM hetu to sabhI saMsAra ke haiN| itane sAre Are cale gae, yaha pA~cavA ArA AyA phira bhI Apako kyoM ukatAhaTa nahIM hotI bhalA? yogya jIva to ukatA jAtA hai| z2arA aisA mohI jIva ho to use bahuta maz2A AtA hai, TesTa A jAtA hai| jise ukatAhaTa ho, vaha to mokSa kA mArga jaldI DhU~Dha nikAlatA hai aura jise ukatAhaTa nahIM hotI vaha to bAz2Ara meM ghUmatA hI rahatA hai, apane aap| abhI to kitane hI janmoM taka bhaTakegA, usakA koI ThikAnA hI nahIM hai na! yaha to saMsAra hai| TemparerI ko dekhanevAlA hI paramAnenTa 'yaha jagat kisa taraha se cala rahA hai? kauna calA rahA hai? kisalie cala rahA hai? hama kauna haiM?' jaba taka yaha sArA jJAna nahIM ho jAtA, taba taka manuSya ke ye sabhI 'paz2ala solva' nahIM hote| dekho na, ye kitane taraha ke paz2ala khar3e ho jAte haiM? praznakartA : mAneM to paz2ala hai, nahIM to nhiiN|

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AptavANI-8 209 dAdAzrI : 'mAneM to' yaha zabda aisA hai na, yaha rur3hIgata zabda hai, yaha kucha 'ekz2ekTa' nahIM hai| kyoMki hama mAna leM ki yaha paz2ala nahIM hai, isake bAvajUda bhI yadi anubhava meM Ae to paz2ala ho jAtA hai| mAnA huA bahuta dinoM taka rahatA nahIM hai na! hama agara mAneM kI mere pAsa baiMka meM do lAkha rupaye haiM, aura usa vajaha se ceka likha deM to vaha vApasa AegA / mAnA huA 'karekTa' cIz2a nahIM hai| mAnA huA thor3e samaya taka rahatA hai| usakA koI artha nahIM hai, aura kisI-kisI cIz2a meM hI vaha mAnA huA raha sakatA hai| praznakartA : eka AtmA ke alAvA bAkI sabakucha thor3e hI samaya taka rahatA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, yAnI ki yaha saba mAnA huA hI hai na! ye saba 'roMga bilIfa' hI haiM, aura sabhI 'TemparerI eDajasTamenTa' haiN| 'oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTa' aura sirpha 'AtmA' hI 'paramAnenTa' hai| jo pUrA hI TemparerI hai, logoM ne use hI 'paramAnenTa' mAnakara unake sAtha vyApAra claayaa| ye sabhI vastue~ TemparerI haiM, Apako thor3A bahuta aisA anubhava huA hai? praznakartA: pUrI duniyA TemparerI hI hai na! dAdAzrI : hA~, vahI maiM kahanA cAhatA hU~ / 'oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eddjsttmentt|' aura 'Apa' khuda 'paramAnenTa' ho / aba 'Apa' khuda 'paramAnenTa' aura ye 'eDajasTamenTa' sabhI TemparerI, to mela kisa taraha se khAegA? Apa bhI paramAnenTa nahIM ho? praznakartA : vaha maiM kaise kaha sakatA hU~? dAdAzrI : ApakA punarjanma rahA hogA yA nahIM hogA? ApakA pichalA janma rahA hogA yA nahIM? vaha bhI yaqIna nahIM hai na? lekina punarjanma ko mAnA, yAnI ki khuda 'paramAnenTa' ho gayA / koI bhI TemparerI vastu dUsarI TemparerI vastu ko samajha nahIM sakatI, 'paramAnenTa' vastu hI TemparerI ko TemparerI samajha sakatI haiN| 'Apa' samajha

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210 AptavANI-8 sakate ho na ki yaha kA~ca TUTa jAegA? yaha cazmA TUTa jAegA? isalie Apa 'paramAnenTa' ho| aura yaha cazmA, yaha TemparerI vastu hai| 'paramAnenTa' vastu hI TemparerI ko TemparerI samajha sakatI hai| varnA eka TemparerI vastu dUsarI TemparerI vastu ko nahIM samajha sktii| TemparerI, TemparerI ko kisa taraha se samajha sakegA? yAnI ki yadi vaha 'paramAnenTa' hogA tabhI TemparerI ko TemparerI samajha skegaa| duniyA meM agara 'paramAnenTa' vastu hI nahIM hotI na to phira TemparerI ko TemparerI kahane kA artha hI kahA~ rahA? use TemparerI kyoM kahanA par3atA hai? koI 'paramAnenTa' vastu hai, isalie hama TemparerI kahate haiN| varnA agara sabhI TemparerI hotA to? yAnI ApakI buddhi meM yaha bAta pahu~ca rahI hai? praznakartA : hA~, 'paramAnenTa' vastu hai, isalie TemparerI vastu bhI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, 'paramAnenTa' vastu yahA~ para hai, usake AdhAra para ye dUsarI vastue~ TemparerI kahalAtI haiM, use samajha meM AtA hai ki 'yaha TemparerI hai, vaha TemparerI hai, kA~ca kA pyAlA TemparerI hai|' aisA samajha meM AtA hai na? yaha tAMbe kA loTA hai, vaha Apake hAtha meM se gira jAe to Apako bahuta bhaya nahIM lagegA, lekina kA~ca kA pyAlA gira jAe to kyA hogA? praznakartA : pyAlA TUTa jAne kA Dara rhegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, vaha kA~ca kA pUrA pyAlA phUTa jAegA na aura tAMbe kA pyAlA to bahuta huA to thor3A picaka jAegA, to use ThIka kara deMge, taba thA vaise kA vaisA bana jAegA, lekina vaha saba TemparerI hai| koI paccIsa varSa calatA hai, koI paMdraha varSa calatA hai| yaha deha hai, vaha paune sau sAla taka calatA hai| yaha saba TemparerI hai| Apa khuda 'paramAnenTa' ho| lekina apane Apa ko 'Apa' TemparerI mAna baiThe ho| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM deha hU~, maiM inakA beTA hU~', ye sabhI bhUleM nikAlanA cAhatA huuN| Apako bhUla nikAlanI hai na? ye loga sabhIko TemparerI kahate haiM na, dUsaroM ko TemparerI kahanevAlA

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AptavANI-8 vaha 'khuda' 'paramAnenTa' hai ! nahIM to TemparerI zabda hI nahIM hotA / yAnI ki yaha iTaselpha hI 'prUva' kara detA haiM ki jo dUsare ko TemparerI kahatA hai, to vaha 'khuda' 'paramAnenTa' hai| lekina use 'khuda kA' bhAna nahIM hai / phira bhI loga TemparerI bolate haiM na! isalie hameM patA lagAnA cAhie ki, bhale hI use isakA bhAna nahIM hai, phira bhI TemparerI kahatA hai, isalie vaha 'khuda' 'paramAnenTa' hai| lekina yaha bAta alaga hai ki usase khuda se bhUla hotI hai| khuda ke guNa kauna se? usameM bhI bhUla 211 yaha jJAna kho nahIM gayA hai, lekina aise 'plasa-mAinasa' kare to yaha pUrA jJAna vApasa se mila AegA, lekina 'jJAnIpuruSa' rAstA dikhAe~ tb| varnA khuda kI kalpanA meM AegA nahIM, khuda kI mati usa tarafa jAegI nhiiN| yaha to, kisa taraha se kamAU~, kisa taraha se aisA karU~, ina viSayoM meM aura paisoM meM, isImeM sArI mati ruka gaI hai| yAnI ki 'khuda' hai 'paramAnenTa', lekina usakA use 'khuda' ko bhAna nahIM hai| khuda jo hai usakA to bhAna honA cAhie yA nahIM honA cAhie? praznakartA : vaha to khuda ko qhabara hotI hai na ki usake khuda ke guNa kaise haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisI kisIko bhI qhabara nahIM hotii| aisA eka bhI manuSya nahIM hai ki jise khuda ke guNoM kI qhabara ho / jinheM vaha khuda ke guNa kahatA hai, ve kisI anya ke guNa haiM / Apake jitane bhI guNa abhI Apako dikhate haiM, ve sabhI Apake guNa nahIM haiM, ve Aropita guNa haiM, phira bhI Apa kahate ho ki ye mere guNa haiN| praznakartA : mere thor3e acche guNa bhI haiM aura thor3e qharAba guNa bhI haiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| ye donoM hI Aropita guNa haiM / aura acche guNa, qharAba guNa, ye donoM galata bAta hai / donoM kalcarDa guNa hai aura kalcarDa bAta hai I ye acche-qharAba, ye Apake guNa nahIM hai| Apake guNa to aura hI prakAra ke haiN| vaha eka bhI guNa Apane dekhA nahIM hai, jAnA nahIM hai / logoM ne bhI

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212 AptavANI-8 khuda ke guNa jAne nahIM haiN| khuda ke guNa jAnane ke lie ye sabhI loga 'yahA~' para Ate haiN| kyoMki unheM enDalesa (aMtahIna) sukha caahie| yaha TemparerI sukha nahIM caahie| abhI jo guNa haiM na, ye 'caMdUbhAI' ke guNa haiM, ye 'Apake' guNa nahIM haiN| 'caMdUbhAI' aura 'Apa' donoM alaga ho| isa zarIra meM 'Apa' bhI alaga ho aura 'caMdUbhAI' bhI alaga haiN| hameM donoM alaga dikhate haiM, caMdUbhAI bhI dikhate haiM aura Apa bhI dikhate ho| yAnI ki "vAstava meM 'riyalI spIkiMga' Apa kauna ho" isakA DisIz2ana lenA caahie| isa zarIra meM ApakA kSetra alaga hai| Apa apane kSetra meM raho to Apa kSetrajJa ho| aura agara kSetra meM nahIM raho to kSetrAkAra ho jAte ho| kSetrajJa rahakara yaha saba jAnanA hai ki isa kSetra meM kyA ho rahA hai| kSetrajJa kA artha kyA hai? kSetra ko jaannevaalaa| yAnI ki Apako niraMtara jAnate hI rahanA hai ki 'kyA ho rahA hai, kauna bola rahA hai' yaha saba Apako apane kSetra meM rahakara jAnanA hI hai sirph| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA nirNaya honA, vahI AtmA kA anubhava hai| aura aisA Atmaanubhava honA, vaha kyA koI aisI-vaisI bAta hai? vaha guptasvarUpa, adbhuta! adbhuta isa duniyA meM jAnane jaisA kyA hai? Apako kyA lagatA hai? praznakartA : sv-svruup| dAdAzrI : basa! usake alAvA duniyA meM jAnane jaisI anya koI vastu hai hI nhiiN| sirpha sva-svarUpa ko hI jAnane jaisA hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina vaha adbhuta darzana kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : adbhuta, vaha to guptasvarUpa hai| jo jagat se pUrNa rUpa se gupta hai, gupta svarUpa hai| pUrA jagat hI jise nahIM jAnatA, vaha gupta svarUpa, vaha adbhuta hI hai| usase adhika adbhuta vastu isa duniyA meM anya koI

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AptavANI-8 213 hai hI nhiiN| aura adbhuta to isa duniyA meM koI vastu hai hI nahIM n| sabhI cIjeM mila sakatI haiM, lekina jo gupta svarUpa hai na, sirpha vahI adbhuta hai, isa duniyA meM! ataH zAstrakAroM ne ise adbhuta, adbhuta, adbhuta kahakara lAkhoM bAra adbhuta kahA hai| mAnyatA kI hI mUla bhUla... praznakartA : lekina hameM bhrAMti to hai hI na ! dAdAzrI : kisakI bhrAMti hai? praznakartA : sva-svarUpa kI bhrAMti hI hai na? dAdAzrI : lekina bhrAMtivAlA svarUpa kauna-sA hai aura 'ApakA' bhrAMtirahita svarUpa kauna-sA hai? kitanA bhAga bhrAMtirahita hai aura kitanA bhAga bhrAMtivAlA hai, aisI qhabara hI nahIM hai| kucha aise bhAga hI nahIM kie haiN| 'DivIz2ana' hI nahIM DAle na? praznakartA : Apa bhrAMti kI kyA paribhASA dete haiM? kise bhrAMtirahita mAna sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : khuda avinAzI, khuda kI mAlikI kI cIjeM bhI avinAzI, aura phira bhI vinAzI cIz2oM ko khuda kA mAnanA, vahI bhraaNti| praznakartA : yAnI yaha eka prakAra kA ajJAna huA na? dAdAzrI : bhArI ajJAna! 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' ko homa DipArTamenTa mAnanA, itanI adhika ajJAnatA hai| eka 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' hai, yadi use hI 'homa DipArTamenTa' mAne to 'homa' ko kyA samajhegA? yAnI 'homa' ko vaha jAnatA hI nahIM hai| aura yadi 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' ko 'homa DipArTamenTa' mAne to bhI kyA lAbha hogA? praznakartA : koI lAbha nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : to kyA nukasAna hogA?

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214 hI hai| AptavANI praznakartA : apane vAstavika svarUpa ko nahIM jAne to sArA nukasAna -8 dAdAzrI : nukasAna hI hai na! khuda kA svarUpa, vaha 'homa DipArTamenTa' hai aura 'phaoNrina DipArTamenTa' meM 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM prophesara hU~, maiM isa strI kA pati hU~, inakA cAcA hU~, maiM moTA hU~, maiM patalA huuN|' aisA saba gAtA rahatA hai, vahI bhrAMti kahalAtI hai| bolane meM harz2a nahIM hai, lekina yaha to jo bolate haiM na, usI para Apako zraddhA hai / Apa to vyavahAra aura nizcaya, phaoNrina aura 'homa'-donoM ko ikaTThA karake bolate ho ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hI hU~ / ' ohoho ! bar3e Ae caMdUbhAI !! bilkula aisA Ter3hA hI pakar3a liyA hai ! yaha saba pusAegA kyA? Apako kaisA lagatA hai? praznakartA : nahIM pusAegA / dAdAzrI : to isakA kucha aMta Ae aisA jJAna caahie| isa saMsAra samudra meM kisI jagaha para kinArA nahIM dikhatA / ghar3Ibhara meM kahegA, 'uttara meM clo|' uttara meM jAne ke bAda sAmane eka AdamI milA, to vaha kahane lagegA, 'isa tarafa clo|' are, isa tarafa se to AyA huuN| taba kahegA, 'nahIM, lekina vApasa usa tarafa clo|' yAnI ki aise bhaTakatA, aura bhaTakatA hI rahatA hai / lekina koI aMta yA kinArA nahIM dikhatA / ... yaha bhrAMti kauna miTAe ? thor3e samaya meM jo khatma ho jAe, vaha bhrAMti kahalAtI hai| aura isa sArI bhrAMti ko to hama roz2a-roz2a maz2abUta karate haiN| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' karate haiM, ata: roz2a naI-naI bhrAMti DAlate jAte haiM aura purAnI bhrAMti miTatI jAtI hai| yadi naI bhrAMti nahIM DAleM, to purAnI bhrAMti khatma ho jaaegii| sabakucha viyogI svabhAvavAlA hai| bhrAMti bhI viyogI svabhAvavAlI hai| ApakA jo 'AtmA' hai na, vaha 'Apa' khuda hI ho, lekina abhI 'Apako' bhrAMti ho gaI hai| isalie jahA~ para 'Apa' nahIM ho, vahA~ para 'Apa' Aropa karate ho ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~ / '

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AptavANI-8 215 vinAzI aura avinAzI kA bheda kyA hai? manuSya jaba maratA hai, taba vinAzI cIjeM alaga ho jAtI haiM aura avinAzI cIjeM alaga ho jAtI hai| isameM jo avinAzI vastu hai, vaha 'riyala' yAnI ki sanAtana vastu hai| aura 'rileTiva' sArA vinAzI hai| praznakartA : Apane kahA hai na, ki 'rileTiva' sArA vinAzI hai, nAzavaMta hai| aba vaijJAnika aura bhAratIya darzana bhI aisA kahatA hai, ki isa duniyA meM koI bhI tatva vinAzI nahIM hai| to Apa isa nAzavaMta ke lie kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : maiM itanA hI kahanA cAhatA hU~ ki isa duniyA meM koI bhI tatva vinAzI nahIM hai| aura vaha tatva, tatva kI dRSTi se hai| usa tatva ko Apane dekhA hI nhiiN| ye Apake anubhava meM saba avinAzI cIjeM AtI haiM yA vinAzI cIjeM AtI haiM? praznakartA : avinAzI bhI nahIM AtA aura vinAzI bhI nahIM aataa| dAdAzrI : lekina ye kapa-pleTa TUTa jAe~ to ina kapa-pleTa ko Apa vinAzI kahate ho yA avinAzI? praznakartA : maiM inheM kucha bhI nahIM khtaa| vaha eka jaisI hI cIz2a dAdAzrI : eka jaisI hI? lekina yaha ina dUsare sabhI logoM ko eka sarIkhA nahIM lgtaa| ina sabhI logoM ke lie to, kapa-pleTa TUTa jAe~ to ve loga kapa-pleTa ko vinAzI hI kahate haiN| praznakartA : lekina vinAzI ke bAre meM ApakA abhiprAya kyA hai? dAdAzrI : vinAzI arthAt jaba ye kapa-pleTa jaba TUTa jAte haiM, taba hameM aMdara duHkha hotA hai, ye kapar3e jala jAe~ to hameM aMdara duHkha hotA hai| ataH ye sabhI vinAzI cIjeM haiN| yaha zarIra avinAzI hai yA vinAzI hai? praznakartA : zarIra bhI vinAzI nahIM hai|

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216 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : vinAzI nahIM hai? lekina Apake jaisA jJAna ina sabako nahIM hai| ina sabako alaga taraha kA jJAna hai| ye loga to aisA kahate haiM ki zarIra vinAzI hai aura Apa to 'zarIra vinAzI nahIM hai', aisA kahate ho| Apake ghara para kapa-pleTa TUTa jAe~ to Apako kucha hotA nahIM hai? praznakartA : vinAzI ke artha ke lie maiM vaijJAnika dRSTi se bAta pUcha rahA huuN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| yahA~ para vaijJAnika dRSTi kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| hameM vyavahAra kI dRSTi kI z2arUrata hai| yahA~ vyavahAra meM vyavahAra kI dRSTi caahie| vaijJAnika dRSTi se to kyA hai, vaha bhI Apako batA dU~! vaijJAnika dRSTi to kyA kahatI hai ki, 'isa duniyA meM eka bhI paramANu kama nahIM hotaa| bhale hI kitanA bhI nAza hotA rahe, taba bhI eka bhI paramANu kama nahIM hotA, isI taraha eka bhI paramANu bar3hatA nahIM hai|' lekina logoM ke ghara meM kapapleTa TUTa jAte haiM to kalaha hotI hai yA nahIM hotI? kapar3e jala gae to kalaha hotI hai na? yaha ghara jala gayA, taba bhI duHkha hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? isalie inheM vinAzI kahA hai| isameM kahIM AtmA nahIM jalatA hai| praznakartA : vinAzI arthAt 'vedara iTa iz2a onlI cenja oNpha sTeTa'? dAdAzrI : vinAzI arthAt avasthAoM kA vinAza hotA hai| vastu vinAzI nahIM hai, tatva vinAzI nahIM hai| lekina ye avasthAe~ jo utpanna hotI haiM, una avasthAoM kA nAza hotA hai| jagat ke loga bhI avasthAoM meM hI ulajhe hue haiM, isalie inheM vinAzI hI kahanA pdd'egaa| ye loga yadi DaoNkTara ke pAsa jAe~, aura kaheM ki DaoNkTara sAhaba, 'mujhe buqhAra AyA hai', aba vahA~ para DaoNkTara kahegA, 'avinAzI hai' to, ho cukA! usa becAre ko to ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI hai| isalie hama kahate haiM, 'buqhAra vinAzI hai, calA jAegA!' Apako samajha meM AyA maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~, vaha?

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AptavANI-8 217 praznakartA : hA~, aba samajha meM AyA! dAdAzrI : avasthA mAtra vinAzI hai| pUrA jagat ina avasthAoM meM hI ekAkAra rahatA hai| ina avasthAoM meM rahane se asvastha ho jAtA hai| avasthA meM 'khuda' kA mukAma karane se asvastha ho jAtA hai| aura khuda ke svarUpa meM, 'paramAnenTa' meM rahane se svastha ho jAtA hai| yAnI vastu kI avasthAe~ vinAzI haiM aura mUla vastu avinAzI hai| vaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI mUla tatva kI bAta jAnate haiN| lekina loga to avasthAoM meM hI par3e hue haiN| vinAzI dharma meM, avinAzI kI bhrAMti aba jaba taka manuSya ko bhrAMti hai, taba taka vinAzI aura avinAzI eka rUpa se baratate haiN| eka rUpa se baratate haiM taba kyA karate haiM? 'yaha jAnatA hU~ maiM aura yaha karatA hU~ maiM' aisA bolatA hai| yAnI ki donoM ke dharmoM ko eka sAtha bolatA hai, vinAzI ke dharmoM aura avinAzI ke dharmoM ko, donoM eka sAtha bolatA hai aura eka sAtha bole, usakA nAma hI bhraaNti| phira 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA bolatA hai| khuda' avinAzI hone ke bAvajUda bhI 'khuda' 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~', aisA abhAnatA ke kAraNa bolatA hai| usakA kAraNa kyA hai? ki avinAzI aura vinAzI donoM ekatra ho gae haiM, ekAkAra ho gae haiN| isalie ekAkAra se yaha bhrAMti utpanna huI hai| praznakartA : lekina yaha bhrAMti avinAzI kI hI banAI huI hai na? dAdAzrI : banAI kisIne bhI nahIM hai, avinAzI nahIM banAtA hai ise| yaha bhrAMti to vaijJAnika kAraNoM se utpanna ho gaI hai| bAkI bhrAMti koI banAtA nahIM hai| praznakartA : vyakti meM vinAzI aura avinAzI donoM sAtha meM hote haiM, to ve jo vartana karate haiM, vaha to avinAzI kA hI hotA hai na? kyoMki avinAzI kA hI sAmrAjya calatA hai na?

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218 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : sAmrAjya avinAzI kA hai hI nahIM bilkula bhI! vartana bhI avinAzI kA nahIM hai| yaha to sAmrAjya hI pUrA vinAzI kA hai| isalie hama vinAzI aura avinAzI, aise do bhAga alaga kara dete haiN| jaba pApa bhasmIbhUta karate haiM, taba ye donoM bhAga judA par3a jAte haiM, to phira donoM alaga ho jAte haiN| phira AtmA jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai| yAnI ki avinAzI apane mUla svabhAva meM A jAtA hai aura vinAzI jo hai, vaha isa kriyA meM rahatA hai| isa vinAzI kA svabhAva, jAnane kA nahIM hai| lAgaNI kA yA aisA koI svabhAva isa vinAzI meM nahIM hai| phira jo vinAzI hai, vaha ina kriyAoM meM rahatA hai aura avinAzI jJAtA-dRSTA rahatA hai, donoM apane-apane svabhAva meM rahate haiN| aura isa bhrAMti meM to kyA karatA hai? 'jAnatA hU~ maiM aura karatA hU~ maiM', isalie phira ye krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vagairaha sArI kamaz2oriyA~ utpanna ho gaI haiN| paramAtmA pahu~cAe~ prakAza aura paramAnaMda praznakartA : to avinAzI kA kArya kyA hai, vinAzI ke sAtha rahakara? dAdAzrI : vaha sirpha prakAza detA hai, aura kucha nahIM krtaa| usake khuda ke pAsa asIma prakAza hai, vahI (avinAzI) prakAza detA hai| aura dUsarA, vaha AnaMda detA hai, lekina AnaMda apane pAsa pahu~catA nahIM hai, usakA tirobhAva ho jAtA hai| aura usa AnaMda kA hama kyA upayoga karate haiM? vaha AnaMda 'khuda' meM se hI A rahA hai, aisA mAnate nahIM haiM, ataH hama kahate haiM ki isa jalebI meM se AnaMda aayaa| aise tirobhAva karate haiM, isalie hameM aisA lagatA hai ki AnaMda jalebI meM se A rahA hai, lekina jalebI meM se AnaMda nahIM AtA, khuda meM se hI AnaMda kA AropaNa hotA hai| yAnI ki kisI vastu meM AnaMda hotA hI nahIM hai, sone meM yA kisI meM bhI AnaMda nahIM hotaa| yadi sone meM AnaMda hotA to sone kA bistara banAte to nIMda acchI AtI na? praznakartA : nahIM AtI hai|

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AptavANI-8 219 dAdAzrI : yAnI ki sone meM AnaMda nahIM hai| to yaha AnaMda kalpanA se khar3A karate haiM ki isameM AnaMda hai aura isameM maz2A hai, usase phira aisA bhAsita hotA hai| jisase mUla saccA AnaMda mArA jAtA hai| mujhe vaha 'DAyarekTa' saccA AnaMda AtA hai| hama niraMtara sacce AnaMda meM rahate haiM, aura vaha svAbhAvika AnaMda AtA hai, necarala, jo khuda kA hai aura yaha sArA AnaMda to kalpita hai aura yaha sukha bhI kalpita hai aura duHkha bhI kalpita hai| svabhAva kI bhajanA se, svAbhAvika sukha yAnI ki hama 'AtmA' ko judA kara dete haiM, vaha isalie tAki 'Apa' phira svAbhAvika sukha meM A jaao| phira Apako ciMtA, upAdhi nahIM hogI, kyoMki ciMtA hotI kisalie hai? ki 'maiM hI caMdUbhAI hU~' aura 'maiM hI karatA hU~' aisA kahate ho, isalie ciMtA hotI hai, manuSya kucha kara sakatA hai kyA? yaha karatA hai yA 'iTa hepansa' hai? praznakartA : 'iTa hepansa' yAnI ki apane Apa kucha nahIM hotA, aisA? dAdAzrI : hA~, bs| vaha ise khuda apane Apa karane jAtA hai aura usase bhrAMti utpanna hotI hai aura kartA bane, to ciMtA utpanna hotI hai| Apako samajha meM AyA na? khuda hai to akartA, lekina kartApada dhAraNa kiyA hai aura kartApada dhAraNa huA, usase bhoktApada utpanna huA, karane gayA isalie bhoktA bnaa| aura isIlie pUre dina ciMtA, upAdhi aura kalaha! phira koI kucha apamAna kare, taba bhI duHkha hotA hai| yAnI ki 'khuda' 'khuda ke svabhAva' meM Ae, isake lie 'yaha' jJAna denA hai| usake bAda, AtmA, AtmA meM rahatA hai aura anAtmA, anAtmA meM rahatA hai| pratyeka jIva ke aMdara cetana hai, vaha prakAza hI detA hai, aura kucha nahIM krtaa| __yaha jo vinAzI hai, yaha sArA 'rileTiva' hai aura 'oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTasa aura yU Ara riyala enDa prmaanentt|' yAnI ki eka TemparerI aura eka 'paramAnenTa' ye donoM mila gae haiN| usakA

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220 AptavANI -8 hama vibhAjana kara dete haiM, 'lAina oNpha DimArkezana' DAla dete haiM ki 'disa iz2a deTa enDa disa ija naoNTa deTa / ' praznakartA : isa vinAzI se avinAzI judA ho jAtA hai, phira usakA kyA hotA hai? dAdAzrI : phira use ye duHkha nahIM rahate na ! ye sAMsArika duHkha jo haiM ki 'aisA ho gayA, vaisA ho gayA', ve use nahIM rahate / phira mRtyu A to bhI Dara nahIM lagatA, jeba kaTa jAe to bhI duHkha nahIM, patnI gAliyA~ de to bhI duHkha nahIM, koI duHkha hI utpanna nahIM hotA na ! yAnI ki vinAzI se avinAzI alaga ho jAe to donoM apane-apane svabhAva meM raheMge, aura kyA hogA? praznakartA : isa prakAra se jinameM alaga ho cukA hai, use mRtyu bAda meM kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : mRtyu ke bAda usakA eka janma bAkI rahatA hai / kyoMki hama ye jo pA~ca AjJA dete haiM, unheM pAle to usakA eka janma bAkI rahatA hai| aisA svarUpa jagat kA rahA praznakartA : isa sRSTi ke krama kI kucha bAteM samajha meM nahIM AtIM ki jo loga Apake pAsa Ae aura unheM Apake pAsa se AtmajJAna prApta huA, lekina dUsare logoM ko kyoM nahIM hotA hogA ? dAdAzrI : yaha sabhI logoM ke lie nahIM hai / aisA hai, yaha jo pUrI sRSTi hai na, vaha pravAha ke rUpa meM hai| yAnI ki jitanA samudra se mila jAtA hai, vahA~ para utane pAnI kI mukti ho gaI aura dUsarA sArA jaise-jaise AegA vaise-vaise usakI mukti hotI jaaegii| yAnI ki yaha pUrA hI jagat pravAha ke rUpa meM hai aura isIlie sabhI ko ekadama se yaha jJAna nahIM ho sakatA /

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AptavANI-8 221 praznakartA : kucha kaNa samudra taka pahu~cate haiM, kucha bIca meM hI raha jAte haiM, isakA kyA kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : vaha saba 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' para AdhArita hai| yAnI ki jaba taka bhrAMti hai taba taka usakI mukti nahIM hotii| kartApada, vahI bhrAMti praznakartA : ina sabhI ko bhrAMti ho gaI hai, usa bhrAMti ko TAlane kA upAya kyA hai? btaaie| dAdAzrI : bhrAMti kisakI ho gaI hai? vaha Apako samajha meM AyA na? praznakartA : khuda ne khuda ko jAnA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : basa, itanI hI bhrAMti huI hai| khuda apane Apa se hI anajAna ho gayA hai itanI hI bhrAMti huI hai 'ise', aura koI bhrAMti nahIM hai| praznakartA : jo bhrAMti ho gaI hai, vaha bhrAMti kauna-se sAdhanoM se jAegI? kRpA karake Apa vaha samajhAe~ge? dAdAzrI : karma kA kartA hai, isalie bhoktA hai| yaha kyA hai? ki karma ko khuda AdhAra detA hai ki 'yaha maiMne kiyaa|' isa varlDa meM koI jIva kucha kara hI nahIM sktaa| jo 'karate haiM', aisA kahate haiM, vahI bhrAMti hai, aura vahI ahaMkAra hai| yaha to ahaMkAra khuda kA dikhAvA karatA hai| bAkI, yaha saba to 'iTa hepansa' hai| sabakucha ho hI rahA hai| jo ho rahA hai use kahatA hai, 'maiMne kiyA, maiM kara rahA huuN|' yaha to ho rahA hai| vaha agara kucha nahIM kare na to bhI subaha uThate hI cAya-pAnI sabakucha turanta mila hI jAegA use| aba bhrAMti kauna-se sAdhana se jAegI? vaha khuda kauna hai' aisA yadi 'jJAnIpuruSa' use batA deM to vaha bhrAMti calI jAegI, bs| yAnI ki 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~, taba yaha bhrAMti jaaegii| isa jagat meM 'maiM karatA hU~' aura 'maiM jAnatA hU~' donoM bhAvoM ko milA

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222 AptavANI-8 denA, usIko bhrAMti kahate haiN| hameM' 'maiM karatA hU~' yaha bhAna hI nahIM rhtaa| jaba se 'hameM' 'AtmA' kA bhAna prakaTa huA hai, taba se maiM karatA hU~' aisA bhAna hI utpanna nahIM huaa| are, isa deha kA 'maiM' mAlika hI nahIM rahA na! 'hameM' isa mana-vacana-mAyA kA mAlikIpana Aja paccIsa varSoM se hai hI nhiiN| AtmA ko sunA nahIM, zraddhA nahIM rakhI, jAnA nahIM, to... ataH AtmA, vaha alaga cIz2a hai| AtmA ko jAnA, vaha to paramAtmA ko jAnane ke barAbara hai aura jisane paramAtmA ko jAnA usakA to mokSa hI ho gyaa| AtmA ko jAnane ke lie hI yaha saba hai| aura yadi AtmA jAnane ko nahIM milA to AtmA zraddhA rakhane ke lie hai| 'AtmA' kI 'Apako' zraddhA baiThanI cAhie ki 'maiM AtmA hU~' aisI pratIti baiThanI caahie| itanA bhI nahIM mile to phira AtmA sunane ke lie hai ki roz2a AtmA kI bAta sunate rheN| isalie zAstrakAroM ne kyA likhA hai ki jisane AtmA ke bAre meM sunA nahIM hai, AtmA para zraddhA nahIM rakhI yA use jAnA nahIM hai, vaha muktimArga kA adhikArI hI nahIM hai| ataH isa bAta ko agara samajha jAe to hala AegA, nahIM to hala nahIM aaegaa| adhyAtma ke aMdhakAra ko vilIna kare jJAnI paccIsa sau varSoM se isa deza meM a~dherA calA A rahA hai| isa bIca eka-do jJAnI hue, lekina vaha sArA 'prakAza' saba tarafa pahu~ca nahIM skaa| aura yaha 'prakAza' to mana kI sabhI paratoM ko pAra kara le, buddhi kI paratoM ko pAra kara le, taba pahu~ca sakatA hai| abhI taka to phaoNrinavAle mana kI paratoM meM bhI nahIM Ae haiN| ve loga to sirpha nizcetana-mana kI kriyAoM meM haiN| cetana-mana to unhoMne dekhA hI nahIM hai, sunA hI nahIM hai aura phaoNrinavAloM ko usakI z2arUrata bhI nahIM hai| phaoNrinavAloM ko Aja hama kaheM ki aMdara AtmA hai, to itanA use thor3A-bahuta samajha meM AegA ki

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AptavANI-8 223 koI tatva hai| lekina vaha AtmA ko nahIM mAnatA, lekina anya kucha hai, aisA ve mAna sakate haiN| unheM hama kaheM ki punarjanma hai, to ve svIkAreMge nhiiN| ataH sirpha AtmA ko jAnanA hai| apane hindustAna ke sabhI dharma kyA kahate haiM ki AtmA ko jaano| phaoNrina meM AtmA kI bAta hI nahIM hai| phaoNrina meM to 'maiM hI viliyama hU~ aura maiM hI mAiselpha' khegaa| aura jaba taka ve loga punarjanma meM nahIM mAnate, taba taka AtmA kA bhAna nahIM ho sktaa| jo loga punarjanma ko mAnate haiM unheM AtmA kI qhabara hotI hai ki bhAI, merA AtmA judA hai aura maiM judA huuN| aura AtmA eka aisI cIz2a hai ki kisIko milA hI nahIM, sirpha kevaLajJAniyoM ko hI milA thA, aisA kaheM to clegaa| anya jo kevaLI ho cuke haiM, ve kevaLajJAniyoM ke darzana karane se hI hue haiN| lekina vAstava meM yadi zodha kI hai, to vaha kevaLajJAniyoM ne, tIrthaMkaroM ne! AtmA hAtha Ae aisI vastu nahIM hai| isa zarIra meM AtmA kisa taraha se milegA? AtmA aisA hai ki gharoM ke ArapAra calA jAtA hai, yahA~ lAkha dIvAreM hoM, unake bhI ArapAra calA jAtA hai, AtmA aisA hai| aba isa deha meM vaha AtmA kisa taraha se milegA 'use'? jJAnI bartAe~, AtmapariNati meM praznakartA : to sAMsArika manuSyoM ko AtmA milatA hI nahIM? dAdAzrI : aisA kucha nahIM hai| AtmA hI ho aap| lekina Apako' khuda ko yaha bhAna nahIM hai ki 'maiM' kisa prakAra se 'AtmA' hU~, varnA vAstava meM to 'Apa' khuda hI 'AtmA' ho| 'jJAnIpuruSa' jo AtmajJAna dete haiM, vaha kisa taraha se dete haiM? yaha bhrAMtajJAna aura yaha AtmajJAna, yaha jar3ajJAna aura yaha cetanajJAna, una donoM ke bIca meM 'lAina oNpha DimArkezana' DAla dete haiN| isalie phira vApasa se bhUla honA saMbhava nahIM rhtaa| aura AtmA niraMtara lakSya meM rahA karatA hai, eka kSaNa ke lie bhI AtmA kI jAgRti nahIM jaatii|

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224 AptavANI-8 abhI ApameM bhI AtmA aura anAtmA donoM ke dharma alaga hI haiM, lekina ApameM donoM pariNAma eka sAtha nikalate haiM, isalie Apako besvAda lagatA hai| donoM ke dharma ke pariNAma miksacara karane se besvAda ho jAtA hai, jaba ki 'jJAnIpuruSa' meM cetana pariNAma alaga rahate haiM aura anAtma pariNAma alaga rahate haiM, donoM dhArAe~ alaga-alaga bahatI haiM, isalie niraMtara paramAnaMda meM rahate haiN| aisA hai, khAnA, pInA, nahAnA, uThanA, sonA, jAganA, ye sabhI deha ke dharma haiN| aura sabhI loga deha ke dharma meM hI par3e haiN| 'khuda' 'Atmadharma' meM eka bAra eka sekanDa ke lie bhI AyA nahIM hai| yadi eka sekanDa ke lie bhI Atmadharma meM AyA hotA to bhagavAna ke pAsa se khisakatA nhiiN| jJAnAMkSepakavaMta vicAradhArA kAma kI... praznakartA : jIva ko vicAra karanA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : kisakA? praznakartA : jo Apake pAsa se sunA ho yA par3hA ho, usa para vicAraNA karanI cAhie na? dAdAzrI : haaN| vicAraNA karake usakA sAra nikAlanA par3egA na! praznakartA : yAnI vicAraNA karanA z2arUrI hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, z2arUrI hai lekina kucha hada tk| aisA hai, yaha jo vicAraNA hai na, vaha AtmA prApta karane taka hI vicAraNA karanI hai, aura usake bAda phira vicAraNA nahIM hotii| kyoMki vicAraNA to mana kA dharma hai| arthAt Atmadharma prApta karane ke bAda manodharma kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| phira to dehadharma, manodharma, buddhi ke dharma, aMta:karaNa ke dharma, kisI dharma kI z2arUrata nahIM rhtii| kyoMki khuda kA svadharma prApta ho gayA! praznakartA : to svadharma meM Ane ke bAda kyA-kyA karane kI z2arUrata

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AptavANI-8 225 dAdAzrI : svadharma meM Ane ke bAda anya kucha bhI karane kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| ye sabhI mahAtmA svadharma meM A cuke haiN| isalie 'inheM' vicAra kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, lekina jaba taka svadharma meM nahIM AyA hai taba taka vicAra kI bhI z2arUrata hai| praznakartA : kyoMki kRpAludeva ne kahA hai na ki 'kara vicAra to paam|' dAdAzrI : hA~, 'kara vicAra to pAma' kahA hai| lekina ve sabhI vicAra AvaraNa haiN| phira bhI kRpAludeva ne jo kahA hai vaha ThIka hai| ve vicAra bahuta ucca hote haiM, isa duniyA ke loga jo vicAra karate haiM na, ve vicAra vaise nahIM hote| praznakartA : nahIM, nahIM, vaha nahIM, sirpha AtmA ke hI vicaar| dAdAzrI : basa, sirpha AtmA saMbaMdhI hI vicaar| aura ve bhI kaise? ki 'liMka' nahIM TUTe, aise hote haiN| yAnI ki isa vicAradhArA meM vikSepa nahIM par3e, aise vicAra hoM taba AtmA kA thor3A kucha samajha meM AtA hai| bAkI, AtmA ko samajhanA bahuta kaThina hai| aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ to AtmA AsAnI se prApta ho jAtA hai| ye sabhI 'mahAtmA' AtmA prApta karake baiThe haiN| aura ApakA AtmA ina sabako dikha rahA hai, ye sabhI divyacakSu se ApakA AtmA dekha sakate haiN| svadharma prApta ho jAe to manodharma kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, kisI bhI dharma kI z2arUrata nahIM hai, phira dehAdhyAsa hI nahIM rahatA na! dehAdhyAsa hI chUTa gayA na! praznakartA : abhI taka hamArA dehAdhyAsa to chUTatA nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : dehAdhyAsa, vaha dehAdhyAsa se kisa taraha se chUTegA? Apako dehAdhyAsa choDanA hai aura Apa dehAdhyAsa meM ho, to aisA kisa taraha se ho sakegA? dehAdhyAsa se dehAdhyAsa jAegA nhiiN| kRpAludeva ne kahA hai ki

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226 AptavANI-8 jo taraNatAraNa ho cuke hoM, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jAnA, to hala nikala AegA! jo mokSa meM na rakheM, ve mokSadAtA hI nahIM praznakartA : usa AtmA ko jAnane kI kucha cAbiyA~ to hoMgI na? dAdAzrI : usakI cAbiyA~ vagairaha kucha nahIM hotaa| vaha to 'jJAnI' ke pAsa jAkara unase kaha denA ki, 'sAhaba, maiM bilkula beakla mUrkha vyakti huuN| anaMta janmoM se bhaTakA, lekina AtmA kA eka aMza, bAla jitanA bhI maiMne jAnA nhiiN| isalie Apa mujha para itanI kucha kRpA kiijie|' to basa, kAma ho gyaa| kyoMki 'jJAnIpuruSa', ve to mokSa kA dAna dene ke lie hI Ae haiN| aura vApasa phira loga zora macAte haiM ki, 'taba phira hamAre saMsAra vyavahAra kA kyA hogA?' AtmA jAnane ke bAda jo bAkI bacA, vaha sArA vyavahAra mAnA jAtA hai aura vyavahAra ke lie bhI phira 'jJAnIpuruSa' pA~ca AjJA dete haiM ki, 'bhAI, ye merI pA~ca AjJAe~ paalnaa| jA, terA vyavahAra bhI zuddha aura nizcaya bhI zuddha aura jokhimadArI saba hmaarii|' aura mokSa yahIM se baratanA caahie| mokSa yahIM se na barte to vaha saccA mokSa nahIM hai| yahA~ para 'mujhase milane ke bAda agara Apako mokSa na barte to ye 'jJAnI' sacce nahIM haiM aura yaha mokSa bhI saccA nahIM hai| yahIM para, isa pA~cave Are meM hI mokSa baratanA caahie| yahIM para isa koTa-TopI ke sAtha mokSa baratanA caahie| bAkI, vahA~ para to barategA, isakA kyA ThikAnA? isalie 'jJAnIpuruSa' se aisA nakkI karavA lenA hai ki 'khuda' kisa prakAra se 'AtmA' hai| anAdi se svarUpa nirdhAraNa meM hI bhUla praznakartA : mujhe aisA lagatA hai ki AtmasvarUpa kA nirNaya karane meM jaldabAz2I kyoM karanI cAhie? dAdAzrI : hA~, jaldabAz2I karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yahA~ para to

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AptavANI-8 Apako jitane prazna pUchane hoM utane prazna pUcho, khulAsA dene ke lie hama taiyAra haiN| jo nirNaya karanA ho, vaha bhI yahA~ para ho sakatA hai| lekina pahale vaha nirNaya kara lenA cAhie, usa samaya hI satarkatA rakhanI hai / aura eka bAra nirNaya karane ke bAda satarkatA kI koI z2arUrata nahIM rahatI / isalie jaldabAz2I meM nirNaya karane kI z2arUrata nahIM hai / kyoMki yaha to anaMta janmoM I 227 kI bhUla miTAnI hai| anaMta janmoM se jo bhUla miTI nahIM hai, usa bhUla ko miTAnA hai, aura kauna-sI bhUla huI hai anaMta janmoM se? anAdikAla se AtmasvarUpa kA nirNaya hone meM bhUla hotI AI hai, use miTAnA hai / ataH isameM jaldabAz2I karanI hI nahIM cAhie na ! vaha AtmasvarUpa aisA hai ki ApakI dRSTi meM nahIM A skegaa| aba ApakA khuda kA jJAna kucha hada taka kA hI jAnatA hai, usakI tulanA meM AtmasvarUpa to bahuta Age hai| yAnI ki ApakA khuda kA jJAna bhI vahA~ para pahu~ca nahIM skegaa| jahA~ para ApakI dRSTi nahIM pahu~ca sakatI, jahA~ para ApakA jJAna nahIM pahu~ca sakatA, aisA 'khuda' kA svarUpa hai, vaha 'AtmasvarUpa' hai! yAnI ki 'maiM kauna hU~' ise jAnanA, vahI khuda kA svarUpa hai| aura use sirpha 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI 'riyalAiz2a' karavA sakate haiM / phira maranA aura janma lenA rahatA hI nahIM na !! phira maranA ho to deha maregA, 'khuda' ko nahIM maranA hai aura eka-do janmoM meM mokSa ho jaaegaa| sabhI sAdhana baMdhana bane praznakartA : Apa aisA sAdhana batA sakate haiM ki jisase AtmajJAna ho jAe? dAdAzrI : sAdhana to bahuta sAre jAne haiM, lekina jIva sAdhanoM meM hI ulajhA huA hai| jo sAdhana hote haiM na, una sAdhanoM meM hI logoM ko phira abhiniveSa (apane mata ko sahI mAnakara pakar3e rakhanA) ho jAtA hai / kisI bhI prakAra kA roga nahIM ghuse, aisA jAgRta ho, 'alarTa' ho, to kucha Age bar3ha skegaa| bAkI sAdhanoM meM hI ulajhakara abhiniveSa ho jAtA hai| yAnI

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228 AptavANI-8 ki jinakA chuTAkArA ho cukA hai, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ to apanA kucha chuTakArA karavA deMge, varnA taba taka saMta puruSoM ke pAsa baiTha sakeM, to usake jaisA bar3A puNya bhI aura koI nahIM hai| bAkI saMsAra ke trividha tApa meM se kisa taraha se nikala pAegA? phira bhI ve saMta pAnI chir3akate rahate haiM, jisase ThaMDaka rahatI hai| praznakartA : phira bhI kisI bhI sAdhana ke sahAre ke binA Age kisa taraha se bar3hA jA sakatA hai? koI sAdhana to cAhie na? dAdAzrI : sabhI sAdhana hI baMdhana ho cuke haiN| Apako bA~dhA kisane hai? sAdhanoM ne hI Apako bA~dhA hai| ina logoM ne jitane-jitane sAdhana banAe haiM na, una sAdhanoM ne hI inheM bA~dhA hai| praznakartA : to kyA socakara Age bar3heM? aura ulajhana meM se nikaleM kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, koI kahegA, 'ye AkAza puSpa Apane dekhA thA?' to Apa kyA kahoge? praznakartA : 'vaha to bhrama hai' aisA khuuNgaa| dAdAzrI : to yaha to AtmA hai, vaha kisa taraha milegA? vaha koI kalpita vastu nahIM hai| ___ yAnI ki AtmA ko kisa taraha se jAnoge? AtmA to khuda hI vijJAna hai| aura Apa jo saba sAdhana karate ho, jJAna ke saba sAdhana karate ho, vaha jJAna bhI zuSkajJAna hai| yAnI ki usameM Apako sabakucha karanA par3atA hai, jaba ki vijJAna to iTaselpha kriyAkArI hotA hai, khuda hI kAma karatA rahatA hai| Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai, aura vijJAna se AtmA jAnA jA sakatA hai| anya koI aisA sAdhana nahIM hai ki jisase AtmA jAnA jA ske| yaha Apako sAdhana batAyA hai| aba yaha vijJAna, yaha Apa kara loge? praznakartA : patA nahIM calA, kauna-sA vijJAna? dAdAzrI : aatmvijnyaan| AtmavijJAna arthAt AtmA prApta karane kA

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AptavANI-8 229 jo vijJAna hai, vaha vijJAna hogA tabhI AtmA prApta ho sakegA, nahIM to AtmA prApta karane ke zAstra nikale haiM, lekina usa jJAna se kucha AtmA prApta ho sake, aisA nahIM hai| kyoMki AtmA zabdarUpa to hai nahIM ki zAstra meM utara ske| vaha to ni:zabda hai, avaktavya hai, avarNanIya hai| bAkI logoM ne jo kalpanA kI hai, AtmA vaisA nahIM hai| yaha to mana meM mAnakara baiThe rahate haiM aura pUrI rAta aura dina nikAla dete haiM aura aMdAz2e se calate rahate haiM aura anaMta janmoM se bhaTaka rahe haiM, lekina abhI taka janma to eka bhI kama nahIM huA! nahIM miTa sakatA khuda se potApaNuM dAdAzrI : kyA nAma hai ApakA? praznakartA : cNduubhaaii| dAdAzrI : vAstava meM caMdUbhAI ho, aisA vizvAsa hai? praznakartA : logoM ne merA nAma rakhA hai| dAdAzrI : to Apa vAstava meM kyA ho? 'mAi nema iz2a caMdUbhAI' bolate ho na? to yaha 'mAi' kahanevAlA yaha kauna hai? praznakartA : yahI merI khoja hai| 'maiM kauna hU~' yahI to khojanA hai| dAdAzrI : kitane samaya se khoja rahe ho yaha? praznakartA : do varSoM se| dAdAzrI : pahale nahIM kI thI? kyoM? praznakartA : z2arUrata nahIM thI aura usa taraha kI samajha bhI nahIM thii| dAdAzrI : oho! aisI samajha hI nahIM thI ki Apako yaha jJAna jAnanA hai, ThIka hai| ataH yaha jJAna, 'maiM kauna hU~' ise jAnane kI z2arUrata hai| ise jAna le na to sArA niber3A A jaaegaa| aba isameM 'caMdUbhAI' 'ApakA' nAma hai| lekina 'Apa' kauna ho?

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230 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : yoM to 'maiM' eka 'manuSya' huuN| dAdAzrI : manuSya to, isa deha kA manuSya jaisA phoTo dikhatA hai, use manuSya hI kheNge| deha kA AkAra hI manuSya kA hai| 'Apa' 'manuSya' bhI nahIM khlaate| yaha deha ApakI hai? praznakartA : deha merI nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : isa deha kA koI asara nahIM hotA? sardI lagatI hai yA garmI lagatI hai? praznakartA : deha ko lagatI hai| dAdAzrI : deha ko lagatI hai, lekina Apako nahIM lagatA na? isa deha kA asara hotA hai na? asara kisalie hotA hai? jo khuda kA hotA hai usakA asara hotA hai| jo parAI vastu hai, usakA asara nahIM hotaa| Apako samajha meM AtA hai na? yAnI ki hameM asara kisakA hogA? jise khuda kA mAnA ho usa cIz2a kA hI asara hotA hai| 'yaha baoNDI merI hai' aisA kahatA hai, isalie usakA asara hotA hai| nIMda meM bhI aisA bhAna rahatA hai| nIMda meM bhI kahegA ki, 'yaha deha merI hai| yaha nAma bhI merA hai|' aba jo ApakA hai, kyA use chor3a deMge? yAnI ki yaha 'maiM' chUTa sake aisA nahIM hai| 'maiM' to sabase bar3A bhUta hai| kucha loga kahate haiM, 'yaha deha merI nahIM hai, yaha beTA merA nahIM hai, patnI merI nahIM hai, koI merA nahIM hai|' isa taraha sArI mAthAkUTa karate rahate haiN| lekina phira, aMta meM tU to hai hI na? aba kahA~ jAegA? aura ina mana-vacana-kAyA ko kahA~ pheMka degA? isa pudgala ko kahA~ pheMkegA? anya sabhI pudgala ko pheMka sakatA hai, lekina ise kahA~ pheMkegA? vaha to jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jAoge to ve mukta kara deNge| Apako samajha meM AyA na? yaha samajhane kI koziza phalegI kyA? praznakartA : yoM to maiM bhI AtmA ko samajhane kI hI koziza kara rahA huuN|

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AptavANI-8 231 dAdAzrI : yaha samajhane kI koziza kaba hogI? 'Apa' 'caMdUbhAI' ho, to samajhane kI koziza kisa taraha karoge? aura vAstava meM 'Apa' caMdUbhAI ho hI nhiiN| caMdUbhAI to ApakA nAma hai| 'Apa' isa bacce ke pitA ho, yaha bhI vyavahAra hai aura yaha saba to hama qabUla karate hI haiM na! usameM naI bAta kyA hai? yaha to pahacAnane kA sAdhana hai| Apa kauna ho', usakA to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jAkara patA lagAnA cAhie, use 'riyalAiz2a' karanA caahie| yaha to parAI ciTThI 'khuda' ne le lI dAdAzrI : Apako to yaha vizvAsa hai hI na, ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~?' praznakartA : nahIM, yaha nAma to lokabhASA meM hai, bAkI 'maiM eka AtmA hU~' basa, aura kucha nhiiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA ho lekina koI caMdabhAI ko gAlI de to usakI ciTThI Apa nahIM lete ho na? le lete ho? taba to Apa caMdUbhAI ho| phira loka-bhASA nahIM kaha skte| caMdUbhAI ko gAlI de to Apa ciTThI kyoM le lete ho? isalie Apa caMdUbhAI bana gae ho| praznakartA : vyavahAra meM rahane ke lie to saba karanA par3atA hai na! dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vyavahAra meM rahanA hai lekina caMdUbhAI kI ciTThI Apako nahIM lenI caahie| aisA kaha sakate haiM ki, 'bhAI, yaha caMdUbhAI kI ciTThI hai| mujhe harja nahIM hai| Apako jitanI gAliyA~ denI ho utanI do|' lekina Apa to caMdUbhAI banakara rahate ho| caMdUbhAI ke inAma Apako khAne haiM aura phira kahate ho 'maiM AtmA huuN|' isa taraha se koI AtmA bana jAe, aisA ho sakatA hai? saMsAra meM asaMgatA, kRpA se prApta dAdAzrI : 'Apa AtmA ho' Apako aisA yaqIna kisa taraha se ho gayA?

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AptavANI- -8 praznakartA : usake lie Apake jaise guru ke pAsa jAte haiM, vahA~ para deha aura AtmA alaga kisa prakAra se haiM, aisA upadeza sunA huA hai| bAkI hama logoM meM aura ApameM bahuta farqa hai na? hama yAnI saMsArI, moha-mAyA meM rahe hue loga.... 232 dAdAzrI : aura maiM kyA saMsArI nahIM huuN| maiM bhI saMsArI hI huuN| isa duniyA meM jo saMDAsa jAte haiM, ve sabhI saMsArI hai| jise saMDAsa jAne kI z2arUrata par3atI hai aura jo saMDAsa DhU~Dhate haiM, ve sabhI saMsArI kahalAte haiM / praznakartA : lekina hamAre jaisoM ko saMsAra meM rahakara AtmajJAna mila jAe, mokSa ho jAe, vaha kaise ? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, saMsAra do prakAra kA hai| tyAgI bhI saMsAra hai aura gRhasthI bhI saMsAra hai| donoM prakAra ke saMsAra haiM / tyAgavAle ko 'maiMne isakA tyAga kiyA hai, isakA tyAga kiyA hai' aisA jJAna baratatA hai / aura gRhasthiyoM ko 'yaha maiM le rahA hU~, yaha maiM de rahA hU~, yaha grahaNa karanA hai' aisA jJAna use baratatA hai, lekina agara AtmA ko jAna liyA to mokSa ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : lekina kyA saMsAra meM rahakara saMsAra ke pharz2a pUre karatekarate bhI usase alipta rahA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : yahI 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa hai na / 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jo 'vijJAna' hotA hai, vahI dete haiM, phira usase saMsAra vyavahAra kA bhI sabakucha ho sakatA hai aura AtmA kA bhI ho sakatA hai / 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa aisA 'vijJAna' hotA hai| maiM Apake sAtha bAtacIta kara sakatA huuN| yAnI saMsAra meM bhI raha sakatA hU~ aura maiM apane Apa meM bhI raha sakatA huuN| donoM kara sakatA huuN| isa saMsAra kI jo sabhI kriyAe~ karanI hotI haiM, ve bhI karatA huuN| saMsAra meM bhI raha pAtA hU~ aura AtmA meM bhI raha pAtA huuN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa pUrA 'vijJAna' hotA hai, vaha zAstroM meM nahIM hotA / zAstroM ke anusAra to yaha saba chor3ane para hI chuTakArA ho sakatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 233 aise logoM ke sAtha meM rahanA aura dina bitAnA aura karma nahIM ba~dhe isa prakAra se rahanA, vaise kisa taraha se raha sakate haiM? vaha sArI vidyA maiM Apako sikhA duuNgaa| lepAyamAna hoM nahIM, aisI vidyA maiM batA duuNgaa| varnA to yaha duniyA to lepAyamAna hI hai| jaise kamala pAnI meM rahakara bhI nirlepa rahatA hai na, usI taraha kI nirlepatA Apako batA duuNgaa| ____ ataH AtmA kahA~ se jAnA jA sakatA hai? 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa se| ina zAstra ke jJAniyoM ke pAsa AtmA nahIM hotaa| yadi AtmA prApta huA hotA to unheM samakita ho cukA hotA aura samakita arthAt isa saMsAra meM rahane ke bAvajUda saMsAra sparza nahIM kare, aura aisA to 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI kRpA se prApta hotA hai| sarvAMgI spaSTata samajha se ulajhana jAe kucha to upadeza meM sirpha AtmA hI hai, aisA kahate haiN| kAna meM aise phUMka mArakara bolate haiM ki bola, 'maiM AtmA huuN|' are, lekina AtmA yAnI kyA? aura agara 'maiM AtmA hU~', to yaha bAkI kA saba kyA hai? vApasa aisA prazna utpanna nahIM hogA? apane yahA~ to kyA kahA hai ki, "bAi rileTiva vyU poinTa 'yaha' aura bAi riyala vyU poinTa 'yaha', isa taraha se donoM bolanA caahie|" una logoM ke lie 'poinTa' jaisA kucha nahIM hai, donoM tarafa kA saphokezana rahatA hai| lekina vaisI phUMka mArI ho, to thor3A-bahuta rahatA hai| lekina vApasa ulajha jAtA hai, relve lAina 'perelala' nahIM honI cAhie? yA Ter3hI-mer3hI calegI? bhale hI agara tujhe Ter3hI calAnI ho to Ter3hI calAnA, gola calAnI ho to gola calAnA, lekina 'riyala' aura 'rileTiva' donoM lAineM 'perelala' rkhnaa| rilezana meM bhUlA 'khuda' khuda ko caMdUbhAI to sirpha vyavahAra calAne ke lie nAma hai| yaha to 'khuda' 'riyala' thA, vaha 'rileTiva' bana gyaa| bahuta sAre 'rilezana' ho jAne se khuda ko bhrAMti utpanna ho gii| aura phira kahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', ise 'igoiz2ama' kahate haiN|

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234 AptavANI-8 badalI bilIfa, 'vastu' saMbaMdhI praznakartA : 'riyala' aura 'rileTiva' kyA hai? una donoM meM kyA saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : sApekSa sArA vinAzI hotA hai| sApekSa ko aMgrez2I meM 'rileTiva' kahate haiN| aura 'oNla dIz2a rileTivsa Ara TemparerI eDajasTamenTasa enDa riyala iz2a da prmaanentt|' nirapekSa ko 'paramAnenTa' kahate haiN| sApekSa arthAt dUsaroM para AdhArita hai, dUsaroM ke AdhAra para jI rahA hai| yaha a~dherA hai, to ujAlA hai| varnA ujAle ko ujAlA kauna kahegA? hamezA ujAlA rahe to use ujAlA kauna kahegA? yAnI ki a~dhere kI apekSA se ujAlA hai| aura a~dherA kisake AdhAra para hai? ujAle kI apekSA se a~dherA hai, ise sApekSa kahate haiN| jo kisIkI bhI apekSA (tulanA) se hai, use sApekSa kahate haiN| aura vaha sApekSa TemparerI hotA hai, badalatA hI rahatA hai| aura jo 'riyala' hai, vaha 'paramAnenTa' vastu hai| isa jagat meM chaha vastue~ 'paramAnenTa' haiN| aba chaha vastuoM meM zuddha cetana 'paramAnenTa' hai aura dUsarI anya jo vastue~ haiM unameM cetanabhAva nahIM hai| phira bhI ye pA~coM hI 'paramAnenTa' haiM aura inameM dUsare anaMta prakAra ke guNadharma haiN| ina sabake guNadharmoM ke kAraNa yaha 'rileTiva' bhAva utpanna ho gayA hai sirph| AtmA to niraMtara AtmA hI rahatA hai, niraMtara cetana ke rUpa meM hI rahatA hai| vaha badalA nahIM hai, kSaNa bhara ke lie bhI badalA nahIM hai| sirpha bilIfa hI roMga ho jAtI hai| ___jo Apa ho usakI bilIfa nahIM hai aura jo Apa nahIM ho, usakI bilIfa Apako baiThI hai| ye sabhI 'roMga bilIfa' haiN| aura ye sabhI bilIfa 'rileTiva' haiM, naoNTa 'riyl'| praznakartA : 'riyala' kI sTeja meM jAne ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : usake lie to 'riyala' ko 'riyalAiz2a' karanA caahie| hama yahA~ para jJAna dete haiM, usake bAda 'riyala' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' ho jAtA hai|

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AptavANI-8 235 mukti mAMge saiddhAMtika samajha praznakartA : lekina kitAba meM to aisA likhA hai ki mana ko AtmA meM lagA, to uddhAra hogaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha AtmA ko jAnane ke bAda meM lagAyA jA sakatA hai na, yoM hI kisa taraha se lagAyA jA sakegA? jaba taka 'riyalAiz2a' nahIM hogA taba taka AtmA kise kahoge? AtmA jalAne se jalAyA jA sake aisA nahIM hai, aura vaha pAnI se bhIgatA nahIM hai, aisA saba likhA hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : to aisI to ghar3iyA~ bhI A gaI haiM, vaoNTaraprUpha aura phAyaraprUpha! yAnI ki merA kahanA hai ki aisI to ghar3iyA~ bhI AtI hai na? AtmA aisA nahIM hai| AtmA to anaMta guNoM kA dhAma hai aura vaha to paramAtmA hI hai| jaba kevaLI dazA meM AtA hai, taba vaha paramAtmA kahalAtA hai aura jaba taka kevaLI dazA meM nahIM hotA aura zabdarUpa meM hotA hai, taba taka aMtarAtmA kahalAtA hai, jaba taka zabda kA avalaMbana hai, taba taka aMtarAtmA kahalAtA hai| phira bhI aMtarAtmA aura paramAtmA meM bahuta farka nahIM hai| jo aMtarAtmA haiM, ve paramAtmA ho rahe haiM aura kevaLI paramAtmA ho cuke haiM, itanA hI farka hai| praznakartA : kaI stotroM meM, stutioM meM aisA kahA gayA hai ki una stutiyoM kA nityapATha karane se saMsAra ke sabhI sukha bhogakara paramAtmA ko prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai| agara aisA ho to AtmajJAna ke lie mehanata kyoM kareM? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ve to rAstA batAte haiM ki puNya ba~dhA huA hogA to Age bar3hoge, to kabhI na kabhI AtmajJAna prApta karane kA rAstA mila jaaegaa| lekina agara pApa hI ba~dhA huA hogA, to use yaha rAstA milegA hI nahIM na? isalie logoM ko protsAhita karane ke lie aisA kahA hai| bAkI yaha vAstava meM, 'ekjekTa' kAraNa nahIM hai|

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236 AptavANI-8 dharma hamezA hI saiddhAMtika honA caahie| saiddhAMtika arthAt kabhI bhI asaiddhAMtika na ho jAe aura phaladAyI ho| turanta phala de to vaha siddhAMta hai, varnA yadi turanta phala nahIM de to vaha siddhAMta kaise kahalAegA? kisI bhI vastu ke siddha ho jAne ke bAda usakA aMta A jAtA hai, phira se use siddha nahIM karanA pdd'taa| hamezA ke lie vaha trikAla siddha ho jAtA hai, usIko siddhAMta kahate haiN| AtmA to 'selpha' vastu hai| 'selpha' kA 'riyalAiz2ezana' ho gayA to pUrA jagat 'riyalAiz2a' ho gyaa| AtmA ko jAna le to ahaMkAra aura mamatA donoM eka sAtha cale jAte haiN| eTa e TAima' cale jAte haiN| jaise apanA khuda kA eka makAna ho, vaha hameM bahuta pasaMda ho| lekina udhAra ho gayA ho aura hameM vaha becanA par3e, becakara paise le lene ke bAda meM phira dUsare dina apanI mamatA chUTa jAtI hai na? praznakartA : chUTa jAtI hai| dAdAzrI : kyoM? cAlIsa varSoM se makAna apanA thA aura becane ke bAda dUsare dina jala jAe to duHkha hogA kyA? praznakartA : nahIM hogaa| dAdAzrI : kyoMki mamatA sArI chUTa gii| isI taraha AtmA jAna liyA ki turanta hI ahaMkAra-mamatA sabakucha chUTa jaaegaa| sva-svabhAva meM, baratane se samAdhi khuda paramAtmA hai, lekina isakA bhAna nahIM hai taba taka kyA ho sakatA hai? taba taka use jo bhAna milA hai, usa bhAna meM baratatA hai, use 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~' yaha bilIfa hI rahatI hai| 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~, isa strI kA pati hU~', aisI saba 'roMga bilIfoM' meM hI rahatA hai| praznakartA : isa saMsAra ke aMdara jIva eka-dUsaroM ko isI taraha se pahacAnate haiM na? usI taraha mujhe bhI saba 'caMdUlAla' hI kahate haiN|

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AptavANI-8 237 dAdAzrI : 'caMdUlAla' to vyavahAra meM pahacAnane kA sAdhana hai, usameM harja nahIM hai| vaha to maiM bhI kahatA huuN| mujhe koI pUche ki, 'ApakA nAma kyA hai?' to maiM kahatA hU~, 'aNbaalaal|' lekina 'maiM' apane Apa ko 'aMbAlAla hU~' aisA kabhI bhI, svapna meM bhI nahIM maantaa| aura Apa to, svapna meM to kyA, lekina jAgRta avasthA meM bhI aisA mAnate ho ki, 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~!' aba 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', yaha 'roMga bilIfa' Apako parezAna karatI hai| aura maiM apane svabhAna meM rahatA hU~, sva-svarUpa meM rahatA hU~, isalie mujhe niraMtara samAdhi rahatI hai| sva-svarUpa meM Ane para paramAtmApana prakaTa hotA rahatA hai, paramAtmA kI zakti vyakta ho jAtI hai| abhI to caMdalAla kI zaktiyA~ vyakta huI haiN| manuSya meM Ae ho isalie caMdUlAla kI zaktiyA~ vyakta huI haiM, lekina manuSyapana kI adhika zaktiyA~ vyakta nahIM huI haiN| isalie sAmAnya manuSya hI mAnA jAtA hai| aise kAla meM prayatnoM se prApti saMbhava hai? praznakartA : isake lie prayatna karanA par3egA? dAdAzrI : prayatna karanA Apase ho nahIM skegaa| kyoMki Apa khuda vyagra ho cuke ho, isalie prayatna nahIM ho skegaa| vaha to koI saMpUrNa ekAgra ho to maiM batA dUM, lekina isa kAla meM manuSya vaisA ekAgra raha nahIM sakatA aura isa kAla meM itanI bhIr3a meM, aise bhISaNa kAla meM manuSya ekAgra kisa taraha se raha sakegA? isalie maiM pahale Apake pApa dho detA hU~, phira Apako 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThA detA huuN| praznakartA : pragati karane ke lie ekAgratA kI z2arUrata hai kyA? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, ekAgratAvAlI davAIyA~ haiM, ve 'helpiMga' haiN| isa jagat meM koI vastu galata hai hI nhiiN| ye sabhI vastue~ 'helpiMga' haiM, lekina yadi khuda ko itanI hI tamannA ho ki saMpUrNa svataMtra honA hai| 'zakkara mIThI hai' usameM mIThI kA matalaba kyA hai, usakA hI bhAna karanA hai, to phira use aMtima bAta karane ke lie yahA~ para AnA caahie| varnA to ye dUsare sabhI upAya haiM aura ve 'sTepiMga' haiN|

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238 AptavANI-8 kriyA nahIM, bhAna badalanA hai praznakartA : saMsArI jimmedAriyoM se ba~dhe hue manuSya AtmA kisa taraha prApta kara sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : 'caMdUlAla' aura 'AtmA', donoM bilkula alaga hI haiM aura apane-apane alaga guNadharma batAte haiN| ve yadi 'jJAnI' ke pAsa se samajha lie jAe~ to saMsAra kI jimmedAriyA~ acchI taraha se nibhAI jA sakegI aura 'yaha' bhI ho skegaa| jJAnI bhI khAte-pIte, nahAte-dhote sabakucha karate haiN| Apake jaisI hI kriyAe~ karate haiM, lekina 'maiM nahIM kara rahA hU~', unheM aisA bhAna rahatA hai| aura ajJAna dazA meM 'maiM kara rahA hU~', aisA bhAna hotA hai| arthAt sirpha bhAna meM hI farka hai| AtmavikAsa meM nahIM hotI, pratikUlatA kabhI praznakartA : lekina aMtara kI icchA ho, phira bhI AtmavikAsa ke kArya meM adhika pratikUlatA kyoM mahasUsa hotI hai? dAdAzrI : AtmavikAsa ke kArya meM pratikUlatA kabhI bhI hotI hI nhiiN| sirpha, usakI aMtara kI icchA hI nahIM hotii| yadi aMtara kI icchA ho na to AtmavikAsa ke kArya meM pratikulatA hotI hI nhiiN| yaha to 'use' isa duniyA para adhika bhAva hai aura Asakti hai, isalie AtmA meM pratikUlatA lagatI hai| bAkI AtmA prApta karanA to sahaja hai, sarala hai, sugama hai| AtmA ko khuda ke gA~va jAne meM dera hI kitanI lagegI? maiMne kisAna se pUchA thA ki, 'isa baila ko yahA~ se kheta meM le jAte samaya baila kA svabhAva kaisA rahatA hai?' taba usane kahA, 'hama kheta meM le jAte haiM, usa ghar3I dhIre-dhIre calatA hai|' 'aura vApasa ghara Ate samaya?' taba kahatA hai, 'ghara para? vaha to samajha jAtA hai ki ghara para jA rahe haiM, isalie tez2I se calatA hai!' usI prakAra jaba se AtmA ne aisA jAnA ki mokSa meM jAnA hai, taba se tez2I se calane lagatA hai| khuda ke ghara para jAnA hai na? aura bAkI sabhI jagaha para to dhIre-dhIre jabarana calatA hai|

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AptavANI-8 239 pratyakSa se lAbha uThA lo praznakartA : dehAtIta sthiti prApta karane ke lie puruSArtha kitanA aura IzvarakRpA kitanI ? dAdAzrI : Izvara kI kRpA to sabhI saMyoga milavA detI hai| jaba IzvarakRpA ho, taba dehAtIta dazA prApta karane ke lie dehAtIta puruSa mila jAe~, to ve dehAtIta kI prApti karavA dete haiM / phira bhI jo dehAtIta haiM, ve sabhI dehAtIta kI prApti nahIM karavA skte| vaha to kabhI-kabhI hI jaba vaise 'jJAnIpuruSa' avatarita hoM, taba ve hI hameM dehAtIta banA sakate haiN| bAkI dehAtIta bananA AsAna nahIM hai| praznakartA: dehAtIta ki prApti ke lie Izvara kI kRpA prApta ho jAe, usake lie kyA puruSArtha karanA cAhie aura vaha puruSArtha kitanA honA cAhie? dAdAzrI : yaha puruSArtha kiyA tabhI to Apa mujhase mile ho / jo kucha bhI puruSArtha kiyA hogA na, acchA puruSArtha kiyA hogA na, tabhI to mile haiN| aba milane ke bAda Apako lAbha lenA AnA cAhie / yahA~ para to jo mA~go vaha milatA hai, lekina Apako lenA AnA caahie| loga to apanI bhASA meM DhU~Dhate haiM, unheM jaisA samajha meM Ae vaisA DhU~Dhate haiN| Apa jisa dehAtIta kI prApti kI bAta kara rahe ho na, vaha dehAtIta dazA yahA~ para prApta ho sakatI |dehaatiit jaisI koI dazA hai, logoM ko aisI qhabara hI nahIM hai na! dehAtIta dazA DhU~DhanevAle koI hI manuSya hoMge na, aise loga hote hI nahIM haiM na? samajha binA kyA sAdhanA kare ? praznakartA : lekina AtmasAkSAtkAra to bahuta sArI tapazcaryA karane ke bAda meM, sAdhanA ke bAda meM ho pAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, itanI sArI tapazcaryA, sAdhanA karane ke bAda bhI vApasa gadhe kA janma milatA hai ! kyoMki dAdara kA sTezana AdhA mIla dUra thA aura tUne bAIsa mIla kA cakkara kyoM lagAyA ? tUne to roDa bigAr3I isalie

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240 AptavANI -8 jA gadhA bnnaa| AdhA mIla dUra thA aura bAIsa mIla ghUmA, to bhI 'dAdara' nahIM AyA, koI aura hI gA~va AyA / taba vaha kahatA hai, 'bAIsa mIla kA cakkara lagAyA, usameM se sAr3he ikkIsa mIla kA to lAbha huA, clo|' taba kahate haiM, 'nahIM, tUne ghUmA usase hamArI roDa ghisI na, usake paise laa|' usakA phAina denA par3atA hai, yAnI ki aisA hai| AtmA prApta ho sake, aisA nahIM hai aura AtmA kabhI bhI kisIko milA hI nahIM / saba kahate haiM, 'hama brahmasvarUpa haiM, brahmasvarUpa haiN|' unheM jaba gAlI deM na, taba patA calegA, turanta phana phailaaeNge| adhyAtma ke bAdhaka kAraNa praznakartA : AtmasAkSAtkAra ke lie yaha jAti, paMtha vagairaha bAdhaka haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : usake lie kucha bhI bAdhaka nahIM hai| AtmasAkSAtkAra kisI bhI manuSya ko ho sakatA hai| praznakartA : nahIM, lekina yaha paMtha, jAti vagairaha usameM bAdhaka to hogA na? dAdAzrI : vaha bAdhaka to kisa prakAra se hai ki jaba taka jAti kA aMhakAra hai| paMtha kA aMhakAra hai, jAti kA ahaMkAra hai, vaha saba bAdhaka hai aura jo koI isa bAdhaka meM se nikalakara aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' ko DhU~Dha le to usakA hala A jAtA hai| bAkI ye mata aura paMthavAle abhI to kitanA hI bhttkeNge| kyoMki bhagavAna ke vahA~ para mata, jAti kisIkI bhI z2arUrata nahIM hai| paMtha yA veSa kI bhI vahA~ para z2arUrata nahIM hai / praznakartA : AvaraNoM, kapar3oM se lekara saMsAra ke bAla-bacce, ye sabhI AdhyAtmika ke lie bAdhaka haiM? dAdAzrI : ye saba vAstava meM bAdhaka nahIM haiM, lekina ina saba dabAva bahuta hote haiM na, to kucha hada taka ye bAdhaka haiM aura eka hada ke bAda ye bAdhaka nahIM haiM, aisI kucha limiTa hai / mujhe koI bhI vastu bAdhaka nahIM

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AptavANI-8 241 hai| yaha jitanA maiM pahanatA hU~, mere pAsa ye jo kucha bhI hai, to isameM se mujhe koI bhI vastu bAdhaka nahIM hai| phira bhI mujhe to, yadi koI kapar3e nikAla le na, khIMca le na, to bhI mujhe harja nahIM hai aura vApasa pahanAe to bhI harja nahIM hai| mujhe isameM kisI taraha kA harja nahIM hai| jisa anusAra jo udaya hai usa anusAra yaha deha calatI rahatI hai, aura maiM usakA jJAtAdRSTA huuN| yaha deha merA par3osI hai, bilkula pdd'osii| praznakartA : yAnI ki ahaMkAra aura mamatA, ye donoM hoM tabhI taka bAdhaka hai na, adhyAtma ke lie? dAdAzrI : bAdhaka sirpha ahaMkAra hI hai| mamatA to, jaba taka ahaMkAra hai taba taka mamatA hai| bAkI, agara ahaMkAra nahIM ho to mamatA hotI hI nhiiN| aba 'maiM pana', ahaMkAra nahIM hai| maiM to hU~ hI' khuda kA astitva to hai hii| lekina 'maiM kyA hU~?', usakA bhAna nahIM hone se ahaMkAra khar3A hai| jagat meM adhyAtmamArga kahA~? yAnI ki agara koI aise mahAtmA yA saMtapuruSa hoM, jinake krodhamAna-mAyA-lobha kama ho cuke hoM, to bhI hama use calA sakate haiN| vahA~ para kucha to adhyAtma hotA hai| kucha arthAt bilkula prAimarI sTeja meN| bAkI, vAstavika adhyAtma to jagat meM hai hI nhiiN| yaha to loga adhyAtma gAte haiM, basa itanA hI hai| bAkI adhyAtma to jagat meM hai hI nahIM, adhyAtma kA artha kyA hotA hai? adhyAtma kA artha kyA hai? __ adhyAtma eka aisI roDa hai ki isa roDa para jAne ke bAda anya adhibhautika roDa dikheMgI hI nhiiN| yaha roDa hI alaga hai| ata: adhyAtma zurU kaba se hotA hai ki jaba yaha dUsarA saba dikhanA baMda ho jAe, phira bhI vaha mana meM rhe| ve unake paryAya, avasthAe~ jo haiM, ve mana meM cipake raheM, lekina vaha roDa dikhanI baMda ho jaae| arthAt adhyAtma to vaha kahalAtA hai ki vahA~ para mana meM rahegA, lekina A~khoM se nahIM dikhegaa| aisA hai, adhyAtma meM pahale to kyA acchA aura hitakArI hai aura

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242 AptavANI-8 kyA hitakArI nahIM hai, usakA viveka rakhanA pdd'egaa| hitakArI ko hameM grahaNa karanA cAhie, aura ahitakArI se dUra rahanA cAhie, isameM pahale viveka rakhanA pdd'egaa| yaha 'caMdUbhAI' yaha to vyavahAra meM rahane ke lie nAma hai| Apa sirpha caMdUbhAI hI nahIM ho, isa strI ke pati bhI ho, ina baccoM ke pitA ho, inake mAmA ho, inake cAcA ho' aise kitane hI laphar3e haiM? ye laphar3e aura adhyAtma meM bahuta dUrI hai| ye laphar3e nahIM hoM, tabhI adhyAtma ho paaegaa| aba laphar3e chor3ane se chUTa sakeM, aise nahIM hai| hama chor3anA cAheM, usase kyA chUTa jAe~ge? yahA~ para A jAoge to bhI ve laphar3e vApasa bulAne Ae~ge yahA~ para, ve laphar3e chor3eMge kyA? yAnI 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', vaha vyavahAra se ThIka hai, lekina vAstava meM vaisA nahIM hai| to 'hama vAstava meM kyA haiM', ise jAnanA cAhie na? sahI tarIqA apane sAtha AegA aura vyavahAra to yahIM par3A raha jaaegaa| nAma to saba yahIM para raha jAegA na? Apa to anAmI ho| aba, samyakdarzana ho jAegA, taba adhyAtma meM AyA huA kahalAegA, varnA taba taka adhyAtma meM AyA hI nahIM hai| phira bhale hI vaha kitanI hI pustakeM par3he to bhI vaha adhyAtma meM nahIM A paaegaa| samyakdarzana ho jAe, 'jaisA hai vaisA' darzana ho jAe taba adhyAtma meM AtA hai| yAnI ki ye sArI 'roMga bilIfa' phrekcara hoM, taba 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThatI hai| praznakartA : 'rAiTa bilIfa' ke lie mujhe kyA karanA cAhie? usake lie 'maiM zarIra nahIM hU~, maiM zarIra nahIM hU~', aisA bolanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM, usase kucha nahIM hogaa| agara aisA karoge to pAgala ho jAoge aura loga bhI Akara pUchege ki, 'are, zarIra nahIM hai to kyA hai phira?' aisA nahIM karanA hai| kaI loga aisA karate haiM, ve pAgala ho gae haiN| praznakartA : to 'maiM eka AtmA hU~' aisA kahanA cAhie?

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AptavANI-8 243 dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA bhI nahIM bola sakate / koI manuSya nIMda meM hamase aisA kahe ki, 'Apa z2arA baiThiye, maiM bhI sinemA dekhane A rahA huuN|' to hameM kaba taka iMtaz2Ara karanA cAhie ki agara ghaMTA-AdhA ghaMTA baiTheM, taba taka bhI vaha uThe nahIM, to hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki yaha nIMda meM bola rahA hai? usI taraha se 'maiM AtmA hU~, maiM AtmA hU~', vaha nIMda meM bole to kisa kAma kA ? 4 praznakartA : 'AtmA hU~' kA vaha anubhava, honA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : hA~, anubhava hotA hai na! vaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' anubhava karavA deM, taba hotA hai| praznakartA : lekina mujhe khuda AtmA kA anubhava karanA ho to kisa tarIqe se ho sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : maiM vaha tarIqA batAU~ na, to vaha hai to AsAna, lekina Apase vaha hogA nhiiN| abhI logoM kA manobala pUrA TUTa cukA hai| I phira bhI Apako eka rAstA batAU~ ki ApakI jeba kaTa gaI ho, pA~ca haz2Ara rupaye gae hoM, to bhagavAna kA nyAya Apase kyA kahatA hai? ki bhAI, yaha Apake hI karmoM kA phala hai, isalie yaha jebakatarA Apako mila gyaa| yaha Apake hI karmoM kA phala hai, jebakatarA to nimitta hai lekina ye loga kyA karate haiM? nimitta ko kATane dor3ate haiM / use nahIM kATanA caahie| use to AzIrvAda dene cAhie ki tUne mujhe karma meM se mukta kiyA / isa taraha se rahA jA sakegA Apase ? itanA samajha meM A jAe to bhI bahuta ho gayA! Apako jeba kATanevAle kA ehasAna mAnanA cAhie ki isa karma meM se mujhe chur3avAyA yA phira jaba Apako koI gAliyA~ de, usa ghar3I Apako itanA hAz2ira rahanA cAhie ki yaha mere karmoM ke udaya se hai aura yaha vyakti to nimitta hai| itanA hAz2ira rahanA cAhie / phira koI mAre, hAtha kATa de to bhI ye mere karmoM ke udaya haiM aura yaha nimitta hai, itanA jJAna hAz2ira rahegA to jAo Apako AtmA prApta ho jaaegaa| lekina vaisA jJAna isa dUSamakAla ke kAraNa hAz2ira nahIM raha pAtA / aura manuSya kA mana itanA

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244 AptavANI-8 adhika maz2abUta bhI nahIM raha pAtA! abhI isa z2amAne meM nahIM rahatA n| mana to pUrA phrekcara ho cukA hai| hama eka bAra jAgRti de deM, phira vaha jAgRti jAtI nhiiN| pApoM ke jalane se hI, lakSya-jAgRti barate aba, jAgRti kaba AtI hai? pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAe~, taba jAgRti AtI hai| kRSNa bhagavAna ne kyA kahA hai ki, 'jJAnIpuruSa' pApoM ko bhasmIbhUta kara dete haiM aura pApa bhasmIbhUta karane ke bAda niraMtara jAgRti rahatI hai aura niraMtara jAgRta rahanA, vahI aMtima dazA hai| arthAt mUla vastu, jAgRti kI AvazyakatA hai| ApakI jAgRti kama hai? praznakartA : hA~, daadaa| satata AtmA kA anubhava hote rahanA caahie| dAdAzrI : haaN| satata arthAt niraMtara, rAta ko bhI nahIM bhuuleN| tabhI jAnanA ki hamane kucha prApti kI hai| varnA anya kucha to kAma kA hI nahIM hai na! aisA to anaMta janmoM se milAvaTavAlA AtmA prApta kiyA hai| bhela bhI bAraha rupaye kilo aura milAvaTI AtmA bhI bAraha rupaye kilo, ye saba jo AtmA kA zora macAnevAle haiM na, ve bhI saba bAraha rupaye kilo ke hI AtmA kI bAta karate haiN| koI aisA nahIM kahatA ki lo, maiM Apako saccA AtmA de rahA hU~, le jaao| nahIM to samaraNa (nAmasmaraNa) deMge ki yaha samaraNa karate rhnaa| are, samaraNa to, jaba usa para rAga baiThegA, to samaraNa kiyA jA skegaa| aura jahA~ rAga baiThe vahA~ para sArA saMsAra hI hai aura saMsAra hai, vahA~ para samaraNa hai| samaraNa to honA hI nahIM caahie| samaraNa to, jaba aura koI cArA nahIM ho taba kA upAya hai| vaha ekAgra rakhatA hai Apako, lekina jaba aura koI cArA nahIM rahe, tb| bAkI apane Apa hI niraMtara hI lakSya meM rahe, vaha aatmaa| bAkI saba to milAvaTavAlA AtmA hai| 'eka' ke binA zUnya kI sthiti bekAra praznakartA : AtmajJAna kA artha khuda ko jAnanA, vahI hai na?

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AptavANI-8 245 dAdAzrI : hA~, khuda ko jAnanA, vahI hai| basa aura kucha nahIM / praznakartA : aba yadi eka vastu ko jAnanA ho, taba to usake aMdara 'DIpa' meM utaranA cAhie / isI taraha AtmA ko jAnanA ho to khuda ke aMdara 'DIpa' meM utaranA cAhie na? dAdAzrI : apanI taraha se saba utarate hI haiM na ! isI taraha jo vedAMta banAnevAle the, ve sabhI utare / aMta meM cAra veda banAe, phira kahA ki, 'disa iz2a naoNTa deTa, disa iz2a naoNTa deTa / ' veda se AtmA jAnA jA sake, aisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : AtmA jAnA jA sake, aisA nahIM hai, to vaha kaisA hai ? dAdAzrI : jAnA jA sake, aisA bhI nahIM hai aura bolA jA sake, aisA bhI nahIM hai| bolanA bhI jokhima hai / isake lie cAra vedoM ne bhI manA kiyA hai| vANI se varNana kiyA jA sake, aisA nahIM hai, vaktavya ho sake, AtmA aisA nahIM hai| praznakartA : to phira AtmAnubhava kisa taraha se hogA ? dAdAzrI : abhI Apako kisakA anubhava hai? praznakartA : abhI zUnyAvasthA karane kA prayatna karatA hU~ / dAdAzrI : zUnya matalaba ? praznakartA : saMkalpa-vikalpa nahIM Ae~, vahI zUnya hai / dAdAzrI : Amane-sAmane injana ko daur3Ae~, eka isa dizA se Ae aura eka isa dizA se Ae aura donoM phula spIDa meM hoM to kyA dazA hogI? praznakartA : z2ora se 'eksIDenTa' ho jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : aise TakarAe~ge ki injana bhI aise khar3e ho jAe~ge ! usI taraha apane loga AtmA kA dhyAna aura yaha saba jo karate rahate haiM na, zUnya kI avasthA, yaha usIke jaisA hai / aura yaha to, zUnya kyA hai use samajhe

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AptavANI-8 binA loga zUnya karane meM laga gae haiN| eka kI saMkhyA ke binA sabhI zUnya bekAra haiN| eka ke binA sabhI zUnya bekAra haiN| eka hogA, tabhI zUnya kAma kA hai| Apa zUnya avasthA kisa taraha se karate ho phira? 246 praznakartA : hama zAMti se baiThate haiM, phira jo saMkalpa - vikalpa A rahe hoM, unheM baMda karane kA prayatna karate haiM / dAdAzrI : phira bhI saMkalpa - vikalpa hote rahate haiM na? hA~, lekina apanI icchA nahIM hai, phira bhI kauna karatA hai aisA? aMdara kucha ghoTAle karane vAlA ghusa gayA hai na? praznakartA : vaha to prakRti hai / dAdAzrI : Apa prakRti meM ho yA puruSa meM ho, vaha batAo / praznakartA : puruSa meN| dAdAzrI : Apako 'puruSa' kisane banAyA? praznakartA : isakA hameM jJAna nahIM hai 1 dAdAzrI : Apako koI kahe ki 'isa caMdUbhAI ne bigAr3A hai', to asara ho jAtA hai kyA? praznakartA : agara hamane bigAr3A ho to phira hameM qabUla karanA pdd'egaa| dAdAzrI : lekina nahIM bigAr3A ho aura Apase koI kahe ki caMdUbhAI ne bigAr3A to Apa para asara hogA? praznakartA : aisA to bolate rahate haiM / dAdAzrI : aisA kyA? caMdUbhAI ke nAma kA Apa para koI asara nahIM hotA? praznakartA : nahIM / dAdAzrI : aura pA~ca haz2Ara rupaye kI jeba kaTa jAe to bhI asara nahIM hogA?

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AptavANI-8 247 praznakartA : hogA, vaha to apanI AjIvikA hai| dAdAzrI : aba vahA~ para zUnya kahA~ calA gayA? phira bhI isa taraha se zAMti rakhate ho, vaha acchA hai, galata nahIM hai| lekina vaha sArA zUnya kA rAstA nahIM hai| zUnya to, AtmA ko prApta karanA cAhie, AtmA ko jAnanA caahie| AtmA jAnane ke bAda zUnya sthiti AtI hai| AtmA to, nirIkSaka ke bhI usa pAra praznakartA : to phira AtmasAkSAtkAra ke lie kauna-sA sAdhana sarvazreSTha hai? dAdAzrI : usake lie anya koI sAdhana hai Apake pAsa? Apa sAdhya bananA cAhate ho, lekina Apako dUsarA aura kauna-sA sAdhana lagatA hai? praznakartA : AdhA ghaMTA AtmanirIkSaNa krnaa| dAdAzrI : AtmA ko pahacAnakara nirIkSaNa karate ho yA pahacAne binA karate ho? praznakartA : AtmA ko pahacAne to phira bAkI kyA rahA? dAdAzrI : to phira AtmanirIkSaNa kisakA karate ho? praznakartA : jo vicAra Ate haiM, unkaa| dAdAzrI : ohoho! vicAroM kA? vicAra to mana meM se Ate haiM aura mana khuda jar3a hai, 'kamplITa phiz2ikala' hai| yAnI ki mana ke vicAroM kA Apa 'sTaDI' karate ho| vaha jo 'sTaDI' karatA hai na, vaha 'igoiz2ama' karatA hai| aura 'igoiz2ama' ke usa pAra 'AtmA' hai| anubhUti kI ulTI A~TI praznakartA : mujhe AtmA kA jo anubhava hotA hai, vaha batAtA hU~ ki jaise pAnI ke phavvAre ur3ate hoM, aise aMdara AnaMda-AnaMda ho jAtA hai|

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248 AptavANI -8 dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA kI bAta yAda karate hI kisIko pAnI ke phavvAre jaisA ur3atA hai, kisIko rauzanI dikhatI hai, aura bhI kucha hotA hai| praznakartA : phuMvAre ur3ane kI bAta nahIM hai, lekina yaha to hameM aMdara AnaMda-AnaMda rahA karatA hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina vaha to eka prakAra kI aisI saba kalpanAe~ hotI rahatI haiM aMdara / lekina agara usa tarafa kA vicAra kareM to bhI itanA adhika AnaMda hotA hai, to usa tarafa, vahA~ para pahu~ca jAe~ge to kitanA AnaMda hogA? I eka vyakti kisI sarala, svaccha hRdaya ke saMta ke pAsa gae the| phira Akara mujhase kahane lage ki, 'mujhe to anubhava huA hai|' maiMne kahA, 'kisa cIz2a kA anubhava huA hai / ' taba kahane lage, 'AtmA kI anubhUti huI hai / ' maiMne kahA, AtmA kI parachAI taka nahIM dekhI kisIne / bhale hI AtmA ta nahIM pahu~ce lekina AtmA kI parachAI, jisa taraha kisI manuSya ke pIche usakI parachAI par3atI hai na, aura parachAI para hama paira rakheM, usI prakAra se yadi AtmA kI parachAI meM bhI pahu~ca jAe~ to samakita ho jaaegaa| yAnI ki ye to AtmA kI parachAI taka bhI nahIM pahu~ce haiN| apane hindustAna ke kitane hI loga aisA kahate haiM ki anubhUti huI hai / aba anubhUti ho cukI ho taba to bhagavAna hI ho gayA, vaha kRSNa bhagavAna hI kahalAegA aura isa taraha se jo anubhUti kahate Ae haiM, usameM saba aMdhAdhuMdha bAta hI hai aura kucha milA nahIM / maiMne unase kahA ki, 'Apa anubhUti kise kahate ho?' taba bole, 'mujhe vaha mAlUma nahIM hai / lekina mujhe itanA lagatA hai ki yaha jo AnaMda hotA hai, usa ghar3I AtmA kA hI AnaMda hotA hai / ' taba maiMne kahA, 'nahIM hai vaha AtmA kA AnaMda, AtmA to prApta kiyA hI nhiiN| AtmA ko sunA hI nahIM, are! parachAI bhI nahIM dekhI hai / yaha to saba mana kA AnaMda hai| saMyoga mila jAe~, taba mana kA AnaMda utpanna hotA hai / ' taba unhoMne kahA, 'jaba AnaMda hotA hai, taba hama to aisA samajhate haiM ki AtmA kA AnaMda

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AptavANI-8 249 niklaa|' 'are, nahIM hai yaha AtmA kA aanNd| yaha to mana kA AnaMda hai| AtmA kA AnaMda, to eka bAra hone ke bAda vaha AnaMda phira kabhI jAtA nhiiN|' taba kahane lage, 'aba yaha bAta saca lagatI hai| lekina hamAre sabhI guru to aisA kahate the ki yaha AtmA kA hI AnaMda hai| yahI anubhUti hai|' maiMne kahA, 'nahIM, aisI anubhUti ke kAraNa to do pairoM meM se cAra paira ho jAe~ge!' ina logoM ne becAroM ko aisA ulTA sikhAyA hai| mAnasika ajJAna ke AnaMda ko bhoganA, vahI adhogati kA kAraNa hai| kharA to jJAna kA hI AnaMda bhogane jaisA hai| ataH ajJAna se mAnasika AnaMda ko bhoganA, vahI adhogati kA kAraNa hai| jagat ke loga niraMtara isa mAnasika AnaMda meM hI rahate haiN| thoDI upAdhi hotI hai, lekina vApasa mAnasika AnaMda kA rAstA DhU~Dha nikAlA ki calA phir| mAnA huA nahIM, jAnA huA honA cAhie saMsAra roga kama huA yA nahIM itanA hI dekhanA hai| yadi kabhI DaoNkTara ke pAsa jAne se roga kama nahIM huA, to apanI bhUla ho rahI hai| praznakartA : kama huA hai| dAdAzrI : kyA kama huA hai? praznakartA : mana se kama huA yAnI sabakucha kama huaa| mana se hara eka cIz2a kA tyAga ho gayA, yAnI sabakucha ho gyaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, lekina grahaNa kyA huA? tyAga ho gayA to khAlI ho ge| apane pAsa rahA nahIM na kucha bhI? usase phira garIba hone ke bAda phira garIbI A jAtI hai| praznakartA : saMsAra ke bAre meM pUcha rahe haiM na? saMsAra ke lie to tyAga kI hI z2arUrata hai, jo vastu grahaNa karanI hotI hai vaha to hama grahaNa karate hI hai|

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : grahaNa karanA hI muzkila hai| bAkI, tyAga to sabhI taraha kA ho sakatA hai| 250 praznakartA : tyAga bhI nahIM ho sakatA / tyAga kisa taraha se ho sakegA? Upara kA tyAga alaga hai, aMtara kA tyAga alaga hai| tyAga to aMtara se honA cAhie na ? dAdAzrI : aMtara se tyAga honA cAhie, taba vaha ho skegaa| vaisA karanevAle to bahuta loga haiM / grahaNa kyA kiyA, vaha dekhanA hai| tyAga ho jAe na, to usa jagaha meM vekyuma rahatA hai, to vahA~ para rakheM kyA? praznakartA : vahA~ para eka hI 'sarva khalvidam brahma / ' aura kyA ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : lekina brahma yAnI kyA? praznakartA : brahma arthAt aatmaa| dAdAzrI : brahma kisa taraha se ho pAegA? brahma prakaTa nahIM hogA na ! kyoMki brahma to kaba prakaTa hogA? krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha aura mamatA jAe~ge taba brahma prakaTa hogA, varnA taba taka prakaTa hI nahIM hogA na ! taba taka dehAdhyAsa chUTegA hI nahIM na ! praznakartA : aba mujhameM kyA khAmI hai, vaha Apa dekha sakate haiM, maiM kaise kaha sakatA hU~? dAdAzrI : nahIM, hama khAmI kyoM dekheM? khAmI to Apako khuda kI hI dikhanI cAhie ki abhI taka mujhameM kucha lobha hai yA mujhameM krodha hai, aisA Apako khuda ko hI dikhanA caahie| ApameM krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha kucha hai hI nahIM na? abhI koI cher3e to ? aisA hai, koI vyakti 'udhanA' sTezana para baiThA rahe aura kahe ki mujhe isa vesTarna relve ke AkhirI sTezana taka jAnA thA, vahA~ maiM pahu~ca cukA hU~ / to maiM kahU~gA ki, 'bhAI, yahA~ para mata baiThe rhnaa| abhI to bahuta Age jAnA

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AptavANI-8 hai|' aura maiM kahU~gA ki 'gAr3I meM baiTha jA, cupcaap|' yAnI merA dhaMdhA kyA hai? ki jo idhara-udhara baiThe hue haiM, unheM vahA~ se uThAkara gAr3I meM baiThA detA huuN| yaha merA dhaMdhA hai| mana meM saba mAna baiTheM, to usase kucha hogA nhiiN| 251 praznakartA: mujhe aba nivRtti meM jAne kA vicAra hai, to usa mArga para mujhe sthira kiijie| isake alAvA mujhe aura kucha nahIM caahie| dAdAzrI : ThIka hai| vaha to kara dU~gA / ApakI bAta saca hai| saMsAra roga jAe, tabhI kAma kA hai na! aisA hai na, yaha saMsAra roga jAe, aisA nahIM hai! yaha saMsAra roga aisI cIz2a nahIM hai ki calA jaae| isa tarafa kA roga kama ho to dUsarI tarafa kA roga ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : vaha to z2indagI meM aisA saba calatA hI rhegaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, calatA hI rahegA, vahI kaha rahA hU~ na! yAnI yaha to nAma chUTatA nahIM, mamatA chUTatI nahIM / vahA~ para rakhA ho na, to use yAda AtA rahatA hai| yAda rahatA hai, isakA kyA kAraNa hai? vahA~ para tAra joinTa kiyA hai, tAra jor3A hai? lekina nahIM / binA tAra ke yAda rahatA hai, lakSya meM rahA karatA hai| falAnI jagaha para yaha rakhA hai, falAnI jagaha para yaha rakhA hai I praznakartA : lekina rakhe to yAda karegA na? agara rakhe hI nahIM, to phira yAda kyA karegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, maiM Apase aisA nahIM kaha rahA huuN| yaha to saba sAhajika bAta kara rahA huuN| kisI eka vyakti se hama nahIM kaha sakate, lekina (Apako) yaha sArI jA~ca karanI par3egI kyoMki agara 'udhanA' sTezana para baiThe raheM aura mAna leM ki vesTarna relve kA AkhirI sTezana A gayA aura pUrA ho gayA, aisA mAneM to kyA dina badaleMge ? praznakartA : lekina kahA~ jAnA hai aisA nakkI honA cAhie na ? dAdAzrI : vaha to sabhI loga jAnate haiM ki hameM mukti cAhie, hameM mokSa caahie| ise zabdoM se jAnate haiN| loga jAnate haiM ki hameM AtmA bana jAnA hai| lekina ve kahA~ para baiThe haiM, usakI unheM qhabara nahIM hotI na !

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252 AptavANI-8 yaha qhabara honI cAhie yA nahIM honI cAhie? kahA~ para baiThe hai, yaha qhabara nahIM hotI na? to phira mujhe sAfa-sAfa kaha denA cAhie na! jaba taka maiM sAfa-sAfa nahIM kahU~gA, taba taka vaha apanA mAla-sAmAna pheMkegA nhiiN| ataH isakA hala lAnA caahie| manuSya khuda apanI taraha se jAna nahIM sakatA ki maiM kauna-se sTezana para huuN| vaha to jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' batAe~ ki, 'bhAI, abhI to bahuta sTezana bAkI haiN| yoM hI mata baiThA rh| cala, baiTha jA, kisI gAr3I meN|' praznakartA : lekina dAdA, yahA~ to aisA hotA hai ki kaIM kahate haiM ki isa gADI meM baiTha jA to usameM baiTha jAtA hai aura phira utara jAtA hai| yahI muzkila hotI hai| dAdAzrI : yahI dhaMdhA lagA rakhA hai, baiThatA hai aura utaratA hai, baiThatA hai aura utaratA hai| jJAnI ke binA koTi upAya bhI vyartha saMsAra roga miTAne ke lie pUrA jagat kyA karatA hai ki per3a ke patte nikAla detA hai yA DAlI kATa detA hai| aura mana meM aisA mAnatA hai ki aba per3a sUkha jaaegaa| lekina vaha do mahIne bAda vApasa uga nikalatA hai, taba vApasa pachatAvA hotA rahatA hai| kucha loga per3a ke patte kATate haiM, kucha loga itanI bar3I-bar3I DAliyA~ kATate haiM, ve bhI pha~sate haiN| kucha nahIM cltaa| phira se phUTa nikalate haiN| kucha loga bar3e-bar3e tane kATate haiM, ve bhI pha~se haiM aura kucha loga mukhya tanA kATa dete haiM, phira bhI per3a vApasa uga jAtA hai| yAnI ki isa saMsAra roga kA upAya to bahuta loga karakarake thaka gae haiN| isalie bhagavAna ne kahA hai na, 'pUrI duniyA meM kabhIkabhI hI ekAdha aise jJAnI prakaTa hote haiM, ve roz2a nahIM, sau-sau varSoM meM bhI nahIM, kabhI-kabhI ekAdha avatarita hote haiM, taba apanA kAma ho jAtA hai', varnA yahA~ para to sabhI dukAnadAra aisA hI kahate haiM na ki hamArI dukAna acchI hai| hamArI dukAna meM, sabase acchA, uttama mAla hamArI dukAna meM hI hai| aura loga becAre bhole haiM na, bhole aura lAlacI, isalie phira pha~sate

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AptavANI-8 253 haiN| nahIM to agara aMdara lAlaca nahIM ho to saccI cIz2a ko DhUMDha nikaaleNge| jise mAna-tAna kA, kisI bhI taraha kA lAlaca nahIM hai, sirpha AtmA ko jAnane kA hI lAlaca hai, usake alAvA anya aura koI lAlaca nahIM hai, ve DhU~Dha nikAlate haiN| eka hI dina yadi isa jagat ke loga mana-vacana-kAyA se zAMta raheM, khuda ahaMkAra karake krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha nahIM kareM, taba bhI unakA jJAna kitanA adhika bar3ha jaaegaa| kyoMki unheM kaSAyarahitatAvAle eka dina kA anubhava ho jAtA hai| ina sabhI manuSyoM ko to ghaMTebhara ke lie bhI aisA anubhava nahIM huA hai| anubhava kisalie nahIM hotA? kyoMki unakA citta to krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha meM hI par3A rahatA hai| phira anubhava ho pAegA kyA? anubhava ho, usake lie to 'cetana' ko jAnanA pdd'egaa| jagat meM cetana kaba jAnA jA sakatA hai? praznakartA : cetana kA Apa kyA artha karate haiM? dAdAzrI : bhgvaan| aura bhagavAna, vahI cetana hai| isakA artha eka hI hogA na! do artha nahIM hogeM kabhI bhii| phira anya kisI prakAra kA ulTA artha samajhe to vaha alaga bAta hai| bAkI saca kA to eka hI artha hai na! phira pItala ko sonA mAna baiThe, to vaha calegA hI nhiiN| bAz2Ara meM becane jAegA to patA cala jaaegaa| praznakartA : cetana ko kisa taraha se dekheM? cetana ko dekhane kA kyA sAdhana hai? dAdAzrI : usa dRSTi kI z2arUrata hai, usa jJAna kI z2arUrata hai| praznakartA : vaha kahA~ se milegA? dAdAzrI : vaha to, jo mokSa kA dAna dene Ae hoM, aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' hoM, taba vahA~ se vaha dRSTi milegI, vaha jJAna mila jaaegaa| aura ve zAyada hI kabhI, haz2AroM varSoM meM kabhI Ate haiN|

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254 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : to anya sabako jo anubhUti hotI hai, vaha saccI hai yA galata? dAdAzrI : anubhUti? vaha anubhUti pItala ko sonA mAne, aisI hai| aura usase dina badaleMge nhiiN| lAkha janma nikala jAe~, phira bhI kucha hogA nahIM? praznakartA : aisI anubhUtivAlA koI bhI vyakti abhI isa duniyA meM nahIM hogA? dAdAzrI : aisA vyakti hotA hI nahIM hai| jise anubhUti huI na, vaha paramAtmA ho gyaa| vaise paramAtmA haiM yahA~ para? praznakartA : zAyada agara hoM, to bhI hama pahacAna nahIM sakeMge na? dAdAzrI : nahIM, turanta hI patA cala jaaegaa| agara kabhI do akSara bhI boleM na to patA cala jAegA aura pA~ca ziSyoM ko bhI zAMti dI hogI, unameM matabheda khatma ho cuke hoNge| aisA hai, AtmA jaldI jAnA jA sake aisA nahIM hai| cetana ko jAnane ke lie manuSya ke pAsa aisA koI bhI sAdhana nahIM hai ki cetana ko jAna sake vh| praznakartA : to phira use jAnane ke lie prayatna nahIM karane cAhie? dAdAzrI : jo prayatna karate haiM, unake khuda ke hAtha meM koI bhI sattA nahIM hai| yaha to Apako aisA lagatA hai ki, yaha saba maiM hI calAtA hU~ aura maiM hI sotA hU~, maiM hI uThatA hU~, maiMne prayatna kiyA, aisA jo lagatA hai na, vaha saba parasattA hai| aura use Apa khuda kI sattA mAnate ho| _ 'cetana' to divyacakSu ke binA jAnA hI nahIM jA sakatA aura divyacakSu 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI kRpA se prApta hote haiN| aisA hai, abhI ApakI mithyadRSTi hai| mithyAdarzana arthAt jo nAzavaMta cIz2oM ko hI dikhAe, avinAzI ko nahIM dikhaae| isalie phira Apa cetana dekha hI nahIM sakate na! aisA samajha meM AyA Apako?

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AptavANI-8 255 praznakartA : AtmAnubhava kA matalaba hI samyakdarzana hai na? dAdAzrI : kaSAya upazama ho jAte haiN| bilkula kaSAya na raheM, aura ar3atAlIsa minaTa taka AnaMda dikhe, use samyakdarzana kahate haiN| kaSAya upazama ho jAte haiM, vaha bhI ar3atAlIsa hI minaTa, unapacAsa minaTa nhiiN| praznakartA : kaSAyoM kA upazama honA, vaha kisa para AdhArita hai? dAdAzrI : Asa-pAsa ke saMyogoM para AdhArita hai| aura isakA eka hI kAraNa hogA, aisA nahIM hai| kisI bhI kAraNa se, kucha dekhane se bhI usake kaSAya upazama ho sakate haiN| dehAdhyAsa chUTane para AtmAnubhava praznakartA : Atmadarzana ho gayA, aisA kisa taraha patA calegA? dAdAzrI : yaha dehAdhyAsa hai, aisA patA calatA hai yA nahIM patA calatA Apako? 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA patA nahIM calA? 'isa strI kA pati hU~' aisA patA nahIM calatA? apane beTe ko dekho to Apako turanta hI jJAna hAz2ira ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM isakA bApa hU~' yA bhUla jAte ho? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : dehAdhyAsa hai, isalie yaha saba hAz2ira ho jAtA hai| to Atmadarzana ho jAe taba anya saba hAz2ira ho jAtA hai| ajJAna meM aisA saba hAz2ira rahatA hai aura jJAna meM vaisA saba hAz2ira ho jAtA hai| jisakA dehAdhyAsa chUTa cukA ho, vahA~ para AtmA kI anubhUti hotI hai| hindustAna meM dIyA lekara DhU~Dhoge to bhI jisakA dehAdhyAsa chUTa cukA ho aisA manuSya nahIM milegaa| dIyA lekara DhU~Dhate rahoge, guphAoM meM DhU~Dhoge to bhI nahIM milegaa| guphAoM meM aisA to ho hI nahIM sktaa| guphAoM meM to tapa karate rahate haiM / guphAoM meM kabhI bhI jJAna nahIM hotaa|

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256 AptavANI-8 arthAt jaba usakA dehAdhyAsa jA cukA ho, tabhI hameM samajhanA cAhie ki yaha anubhUti hai, nahIM to vaha anubhUti nahIM khlaaegii| aba jisakA dehAdhyAsa calA gayA ho, usakA aura kyA-kyA jA cukA hotA hai? ahaMkAra aura mamatA donoM jA cuke hote haiN| vaha bhI kucha aMzoM taka jAte haiM, sarvAMza nahIM jaate| zAyada kabhI jisakA ahaMkAra kama ho gayA ho aisA vyakti dikha jAegA, lekina mamatA kisIkI bhI kama nahIM huI hai| aura jaba bhojana AyA ho na, vahA~ para agara Apa dekho to ve dehAdhyAsavAle loga, ve mahArAja hoM yA koI bhI ho, vaha khuda kI thAlI kA hI rakSaNa karatA hai| dUsaroM ko de deM' aisA kucha bhI nahIM, ise 'dehAdhyAsa chUTa gayA hai' aisA kaise kaheMge? aba isa dehAdhyAsa ke pAra kisa taraha se nikala pAegA vaha? ohoho! AtmajJAna kI adbhutatA kaisI praznakartA : jaba AtmajJAna hotA hai, taba zarIra meM kyA parivartana ho jAtA hai jisase hameM samajha meM Ae ki AtmajJAna huA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmajJAna hone ke bAda meM koI hameM gAliyA~ de na, phira bhI ve aMdara nahIM pahu~catI aura mana meM aisA lagatA hai ki yaha nimitta hai becArA, isakA kyA doSa hai? gAlI denevAlA bhI nimitta lagatA hai| jeba kATanevAlA bhI nimitta lagatA hai| ulTA bole, vaha ajJAna kahalAtA hai aura sIdhA bole, vaha jJAna kahalAtA hai| AtmajJAnI sabakucha sIdhA bolate haiN| jaba ki ajJAnI to sabakucha ulTA hI bolate haiM, jeba kATanevAle ko hI pakar3ate haiM aura nimitta ko kATane daur3ate haiN| praznakartA : arthAt 'nirAbhimAnI bananA aura kisIko doSa nahIM denA', to ise AtmajJAna hai, aisA samajha sakate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : hA~, basa nirAbhimAnI ho jAe aura kisIko doSa nahIM

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AptavANI-8 257 de, aura sabhI ke du:kha khuda le le, taba mAno ki chuTakArA huaa| AtmajJAnI ko saMsAra ke duHkha sparza nahIM krte| AtmA prApta ho jAne ke bAda pA~ca DigrI bukhAra car3hA ho, phira bhI AtmA judA rahatA hai| buqhAra car3he to bhI AtmA judA rahatA hai, use to hara vakta AtmA kA anubhava rahatA hai| eka AdamI ko pakSAghAta ho gayA thA, taba kahane lagA, 'ye loga mujhase milane Ae haiM, lekina maiM khuda hI, jise pakSAghAta huA hai use dekha rahA hU~ na, ki isa paira meM aisA huA hai, isa hAtha meM aisA huA hai, yaha saba maiM bhI isakA dekhatA rahatA hU~!' arthAt khuda bhI dekhanevAlA aura jo loga Ae haiM, ve bhI dekhanevAle! aisA isa jJAna kA prabhAva hai| pakSAghAta ho taba bhI aisA prabhAva hai, aura jJAna nahIM ho to 'mujhe pakSAghAta ho gayA, mujhe buqhAra car3hA', vaha phira mara jAne kI nizAnI hai| ___aba 'mujhe huA' kahe, to 'ripeyariMga' kauna karegA? aura 'maiM' isameM se mukta ho jAe to apane Apa 'ripeyara' ho jAegA, aisA hI hai| kudarata kA niyama aisA hai ki turanta 'ripeyara' ho hI jAtA hai| ataH AtmA prApta ho gayA kaba kahA jA sakatA hai? usake Apako lakSaNa batAtA hU~ ki AtmA prApta hone ke bAda agara zarIra duHkha rahA ho, sira duHkha rahA ho, phira bhI aMdara samAdhi rahatI hai| bAhara gAliyA~ de rahA ho to bhI samAdhi rahatI hai, du:kha meM bhI samAdhi rahatI hai, vaha AtmajJAna kI nizAnI hai| aisA hotA nahIM hai isa kAla meM, phira bhI yahA~ para ho gayA hai| AtmA prApta hone ke bAda meM abhI jo anubhava haiM, ve sabhI khatma ho jaaeNge| 'yaha merA beTA hai aura ye mere mAmA hai' ye saba anubhava khatma ho jaaeNge| 'yaha maiMne kiyA aura yaha falAne ne kiyA', ve saba anubhava bhI khatma ho jaaeNge| abhI Apako jo bhI kucha anubhava ho rahe haiM na, ve saba khatma ho jaaeNge| khuda ko paramAtmapana kA anubhava hotA hai ki 'maiM paramAtmA huuN|' vahA~

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258 AptavANI-8 para phira ciMtA aura, du:kha nahIM hote| Apako abhI jo anubhava haiM, unameM se eka bhI anubhava vahA~ para nahIM hotaa| ciMtA nahIM hotI, upAdhi nahIM hotI, vyAdhi nahIM hotI, Adhi nahIM hotI, kucha bhI nahIM hotaa| Apako isameM samajha meM AyA na? kyA-kyA nahIM hotA? abhI jo hai, yaha sabhI vahA~ para hone ke bAvajUda vahA~ para pIr3A aura upAdhi nahIM hote| vaha jAnanevAlA, kitanA zaktivAna dAdAzrI : abhI taka Apako dehAdhyAsa rahatA hai na? praznakartA : abhI to deha ke sAtha ekAtmatA ho gaI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, use hI dehAdhyAsa kahate haiM aura dehAdhyAsa miTe to phira chuTakArA ho gyaa| praznakartA : Apane pUchA ki dehAdhyAsa rahatA hai? taba inhoMne aisA kahA ki deha ke sAtha ekAtmatA ho gaI hai| to yaha ekAtmatA hai hI, vaha jAnA kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : 'mUla AtmA' judA hai na, isIlie vaha jAnatA hai| mUla AtmA isase judA hai| 'ApakA' mAnA huA AtmA, vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hai| ise kucha logoM ne 'vyavahAra AtmA' kahA hai| use phira hamane 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahA hai, lekina usa AtmA ko 'Apa' aisA mAnate ho ki 'yaha maiM huuN|' vaha khAtA hai, pItA hai, sotA hai, use 'Apa' aisA mAnate ho ki 'maiM so gyaa|' aura use hI AtmA kahA jAtA hai, lekina vaha 'vyavahAra AtmA' hai| kharA AtmA' isa saMsAra kI bAtoM meM par3atA hI nhiiN| 'kharA AtmA' isa sabako 'jAnatA' hI rahatA hai aura kyoMki vaha 'jAnatA' hai na, isalie Apako' aMdara 'patA' calatA hai ki 'mujhe dehAdhyAsa hI rahatA hai, tanmayAkAra pariNAma hI rahatA hai| yAnI ki yaha jAnA kisane? jAnanevAle ne jaanaa| tanmayAkAra pariNAma bhoganevAle ne bhogaa| taba phira vaha jAnanevAlA kitanA zaktivAna hogA! usa jAnanevAle ko eka bAra pahacAna jAe to pUrA ho gyaa| eka hI bAra pahacAna ho jAe ki kAma ho gyaa|

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AptavANI-8 259 arUpI ko arUpI kA sAkSAtkAra praznakartA : AtmA arUpI hai, to usakA sAkSAtkAra kisa taraha se hotA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, sAkSAtkAra karanevAlA bhI 'khuda' arUpI hai| vaha sAkSAtkAra karanevAlA rUpI nahIM hai| arthAt svabhAva se svabhAva mila jAtA hai| praznakartA : jaba sAkSAtkAra hotA hai, taba kyA hotA hai ? dAdAzrI : jAgRti ekadama bar3ha jAtI hai| kRpAludeva ne kyA kahA hai, 6 varte nija svabhAvanuM, anubhava-lakSa-pratIta, vRtti vahe nijabhAvamAM, paramArthe smkit|' arthAt jaba sAkSAtkAra hotA hai na, taba vRttiyA~ phira vApasa lauTane lagatI haiM aura nija svabhAva meM rahatI haiM / yadi vRttiyA~ bAhara calI jAe~, phira bhI turanta vApasa A jAtI haiM, varnA yaha to, vRttiyoM ko vApasa bulAnA ho to bhI AtI nahIM aura kucha to ghara ke bAhara hI par3I rahatI haiN| anubhava bhinna! sAkSAtkAra bhinna praznakartA : AtmAnubhava aura AtmasAkSAtkAra, ye do zabda jo alaga-alaga haiM, inameM 'Dipharensa' kyA hai ? dAdAzrI : sAkSAtkAra to alaga vastu hai aura anubhava to, jaba Age bar3he, taba anubhava kahalAtA hai / praznakartA : to sAkSAtkAra kise kahate haiM ye loga? dAdAzrI : 'yaha' jJAna dete haiM na, use sAkSAtkAra kahate haiM I praznakartA : to yaha sAkSAtkAra, vaha pratIti se bhI nIcA huA ? dAdAzrI : jaba sAkSAtkAra hotA hai, taba 'use' pratIti baiThatI hai / nahIM to 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, 'usakI' yaha pratIti jAtI hI nahIM na !

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260 AptavANI-8 anubhavI hI karavAe AtmAnubhava praznakartA : AtmA kA anubhava kauna-se guMThANe (guNasthAnaka) meM pahu~cane para hotA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA anubhava cauthe guMThANe meM bhI ho sakatA hai, pA~cave meM ho sakatA hai aura chaThe meM bhI ho sakatA hai| praznakartA : isa kAla meM AtmA kA anubhava ho sakatA hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : isa kAla meM AtmA kA anubhava ho sakatA hai aura lagabhaga dasa-bAraha haz2Ara logoM ko ho cukA hai yaha ! 'ye' saba 'yahA~' baiThe haiM na, ina sabhIko AtmA kA anubhava haiN| 'anubhavI puruSa' milane caahie| tabhI AtmA kA anubhava ho sakatA hai, nahIM to nahIM ho sktaa| lAkha janmoM taka bhI nahIM ho sktaa| yaha AsAna cIz2a nahIM hai| yAnI ki jaba taka anubhavI puruSa nahIM milate, taba taka kAma nahIM ho paataa| jo Tike nahIM, vaha AtmAnubhava nahIM praznakartA : AtmA kA vaha anubhava kitane samaya taka TikatA hai? dAdAzrI : hamezA ke lie TikatA hai| eka minaTa, do minaTa ke lie nhiiN| eka minaTa-do minaTa to ye sabhI cIjeM haiM hI na, isa duniyA meN| ye khAne-pIne kI saba cIjeM yahA~ para jIbha para jitane samaya taka raheM, utane samaya taka hI anubhava TikatA hai, phira calA jAtA hai| phira anubhava rahatA hai? hama miThAI khAe~, to kitanI dera taka anubhava TikatA hai? aura itra kA phAhA DAleM to? dasa-bAraha ghaMTe taka TikatA hai aura AtmA to, eka hI bAra anubhava meM AyA ki hamezA ke lie TikatA hai| hamezA ke lie anubhava rahanA caahie| nahIM to isakA artha hI nahIM hai na! vaha phira 'mIniMgalesa' bAta hai| anubhava ke bAda meM barate cAritra praznakartA : AtmA barate aura AtmA anubhava meM Ae, ina donoM meM 'Dipharensa' kyA hai?

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AptavANI-8 261 dAdAzrI : cAritra meM A jAe, use AtmA vartana meM AyA, aisA kahA jAtA hai| praznakartA : aura anubhava ? dAdAzrI : anubhava to, vaha to pahale ho hI cukA hotA hai na use / praznakartA : anubhava ke bAda meM phira vartanA meM AtA hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| anubhava pahale ho cuke hote haiM, phira use baratatA hai I zuddha svarUpa kI prApti 'maiM' ko hI praznakartA : zuddha svarUpa prApta karane kA nirNaya kauna karatA hai? AtmA karatA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA khuda zuddha hI hai / jise khujalI calatI hai vaha khujalAtA hai, bAkI kauna khujalI kare? jise khujalI calatI hai, vaha khujalAtA hai| to yaha saba ahaMkAra karatA hai, 'maiM' karatA hai / 'zuddha svarUpa karanA hai', aise saba vicAra kauna karatA hai? ahaMkAra karatA hai| isa bhautika kI tarafa kA vyApAra kara cuke, thaka gae aba / isalie isa tarafa kA vyApAra karanA cAhate haiM aura aise karate-karate phira khuda kA rileTiva astitva bhI kho deNge| khuda mUla svarUpI hokara khar3A rahegA / ajJAna hai, tabhI taka ahaMkAra praznakartA : AtmA kI tarafa kA vicAra nahIM Ae to AtmA kI tarafa le jAnevAlI pravRttiyA~ bhI nahIM hotIM na? dAdAzrI : hA~, nahIM hotIM / praznakartA : to zurUAta meM, vicAra meM, ahaMkAra bhI thor3A-bahuta rahegA hI na, ki 'aba aisA karU~, vaisA karU~ / ' dAdAzrI : hA~, ahaMkAra to aMta taka rahegA hii| jaba taka ajJAna hai taba taka ahaMkAra rahegA /

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262 AptavANI-8 sarva anubhavoM se nyArA, AtmAnubhava praznakartA : hama eka tarafa aisA kahate haiM ki AtmA ke alAvA anya kucha bhI nahIM hai aura dUsarI tarafa hama AtmAnubhava zabda kA prayoga karate haiM, isase dvidhA hotI hai| yadi AtmA ke alAvA anya kucha bhI nahIM hai to anubhava nAma kI vastu bhI vicAroM kA prakSepaNa hai, mana kA prakSepaNa hai yA mAtra daqhala hai, kyA aisA hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA kucha nahIM hai| praznakartA : lekina AtmAnubhava zabda kA upayoga to karanA par3atA hai na, isalie puuchaa| dAdAzrI : isa zabda kA upayoga isalie karanA par3atA hai ki jaba taka 'AtmA' prApta nahIM ho jAe, taba taka sIDhI kI z2arUrata hai| 'Apa' jisa jagaha para khar3e ho, vahA~ se Apako samajhAne ke lie bIca meM sTepiMga batAne kI z2arUrata hai| aura AtmAnubhava yAnI hama kyA kahanA cAhate haiM? abhI 'Apako' dehAdhyAsa hai, to kaisA anubhava rahatA hai? 'yaha deha maiM hU~, yaha nAma bhI maiM hU~, yaha mana bhI maiM hU~' aisA anubhava baratatA hai| aura AtmAnubhava yAnI kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki usa dehAdhyAsa ke anubhava kI tulanA meM yaha anubhava nyArA hI baratatA hai| yAnI ki aisA anubhava baratane ke bAda AtmA prApta huA kahalAtA hai| varnA yadi anubhava hI nahIM baratA hogA to AtmA kisa taraha se prApta hogA? ataH anubhava zabda ko bIca meM rakhanA par3atA hai, 'use' khuda ko samajhAne ke lie| kyoMki sIdhA AtmA nahIM kaha skte| abhI jo anubhava hai, dehAdhyAsa kA, usake bajAya kucha naI hI prakAra ke anubhava hote hoM, taba mana meM aisA hotA hai ki usa anubhava kI tulanA meM yaha alaga anubhava hai aura yaha AtmAnubhava hai, aisA Apako' yaqIna ho jAe to pratIti baiThatI hai, nahIM to pratIti bhI nahIM baitthtii| praznakartA : hama vicAra aura lAgaNI anubhava karate haiM, lekina AtmAnubhava ina anya sabhI anubhavoM ke usa pAravAlI sthiti honI cAhie na?

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AptavANI-8 263 dAdAzrI : ina dUsare sabhI anubhavoM ke usa pAravAlI sthiti hI hai| jaise yaha anubhava isa pAra hai, to vaha anubhava usa pAra kA hotA hai| arthAt AtmA kA eka bhI aMza usameM nahIM hotA aura usakA eka bhI aMza isameM (AtmA meM) nahIM hotaa| AtmA kA anubhava bilkula nyArA hI rahatA hai| bilkula judA hI, usameM to koI farka nhiiN| phira bhI 'pahale anubhava honA caahie|' aisA isIlie kahA jAtA hai ki use pratIti baiThane kA kAraNa mile aura pratIti baiThI ki AtmA jaisI vastu hai aura vaha pahale kI tulanA meM kucha alaga hai| nahIM to taba taka vastu kA astitva bhI mAnya nahIM ho paataa| yAnI ki anubhava to honA hI caahie| bAta ger3a meM A jAe taba... maiM jo kahanA cAhatA hU~ usakI ger3a (acchI taraha samajha jAnA) baiThanA, yAnI maiM kyA kahanA cAhatA hU~, vaha pUrI taraha samajha meM A jaae| aura 'TU da poinTa' pahu~ca jAe, use maiM ger3a par3I kahatA huuN| loga nahIM kahate ki, 'abhI taka ger3a nahIM baiThatI?' yAnI ki jo 'maiM' samajhAnA cAhatA hU~, vahI 'vastu' use usI svarUpa meM samajha meM Ae, use 'ger3a baiThI' kahate haiN| aba merA 'vyU poinTa' alaga, usakA 'vyU poinTa' alaga, isalie ger3a baiThane meM dera lagatI hai| lekina ger3a baiThanI cAhie, taba kAma hogA! praznakartA : yAnI Apa jina zabdoM kA upayoga karate haiM, vaha bAta pahu~canI caahie| dAdAzrI : hA~, bAta pahu~canI caahie| isalie hama kahate haiM na, ki bAta pahu~catI nahIM hai 'use|' aba yadi usakA' 'levala' thor3A U~cA Ae, 'merA' 'levala' thor3A nIcA Ae, to 'use' bAta 'fiTa' ho jaaegii| nahIM to 'maiM' U~cAI se bAta bolatA raha~ to bhI barakata nahIM AegI, isalie bAta 'fiTa' karane ke lie 'levala' ke anusAra bAta karanI par3atI hai| yAnI ki ger3a baiThe bagaira to koI kAma hotA hI nhiiN| isameM sabhI ko ger3a hI baiThatI hai n| ger3a baiThI ki phira zurU ho gyaa|

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264 AptavANI-8 AtmajJAna jJAnI ke pAsa se.... praznakartA : AtmajJAna kisa taraha se milatA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmajJAnI ke pAsa se AtmajJAna milatA hai| pratyakSa' jJAnI mila jAe~, to AtmajJAna kI prApti hotI hai| praznakartA : hA~, lekina sacce jJAnI ko kisa taraha se pahacAnA jA sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : yadi unheM hama cher3eM to ahaMkAra khar3A nahIM ho, mamatA khar3I nahIM ho, to ve sacce jJAnI haiN| yA phira 'jJAnIpuruSa' se pUchanA cAhie ki 'ApakA mokSa ho gayA hai'? Apako unase aise pUchanA caahie| to patA cala jAegA aapko| yaha sabjI lene jAte haiM, to bAsI hai do-tIna dina kI yA tAz2I hai, aisA yadi Apako patA nahIM cale to Apa usase pUchate ho ki, 'bhAI, yaha tAz2A hai yA bAsI hai? yaha btaa|' isI taraha se Apa 'jJAnIpuruSa' se pUcho ki 'ApakA agara mokSa ho gayA ho to hama Apake pAsa baiTheM, nahIM to dUsarI dukAna para jAe~ yahA~ se| eka dukAna para baiThe-baiThe pUrI z2indagI bekAra calI jAegI, isake bajAya hama dukAna badala deN|' pUchane meM kyA harja hai? bAkI AsAna rAstA to yaha hai ki 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke satsaMga meM jaanaa| nahIM to eka bAra unakA apamAna kara deM, to patA cala jAegA ki yaha rupayA kaladAra hai yA khoTA hai| isa rupaye ko aise bajAe~, rupaye kA apamAna karate haiM na? to turanta patA cala jAtA hai na, ki yaha kATa dene jaisA nahIM hai, alamArI meM rakha do? aura kATa dene jaisA ho to kATa do| praznakartA : parakhane jAe~ to karma baMdhegA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| usa kasauTI karanevAle ko hama rakSaNa dete haiN| nahIM to parIkSA kisa taraha se karegA? hamAre pAsa agara hamArI kasauTI karanI ho, to hama rakSaNa deNge| Apako girane nahIM deMge aura ApakI kasauTI meM Apa pAsa ho jaaoge|

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AptavANI-8 265 praznakartA : Apa rakSaNa dete haiM, lekina aura kisIke pAsa aisI kasauTI karane gae to? dAdAzrI : aura kisI jagaha para aisA karanA mata aura karo to pAsa meM sau eka rupaye taiyAra rkhnaa| paira dabAnA aura kahanA, 'sAhaba, merA dimAg2a ghUma gayA hai|' aisA-vaisA karake vApasa palaTa jAnA aura sau rupaye kI cIz2a lAkara de deMge na, to sAhaba khuza ho jAe~ge aura paira dabA denaa| kyoMki ahaMkArI ko khuza karane meM bilkula dera hI nahIM lagatI / mIThI-mIThI bAteM karo to bhI khuza ho jAtA hai I praznakartA : sAmAnya logoM ko aisI saba kasauTI kie bagaira kisa taraha se patA cala sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : unakI vANI syAdvAda hotI hai, kisI dharma kA kiMcit mAtra ahita nahIM ho, aisI hotI hai, unakI vANI kisIko bhI duHkhadAyI nahIM hotI aura unake vANI, vartana, aura vinaya manohara hote haiM, apane mana kA haraNa kareM, aise hote haiN| 'disa ija da keza benka oNpha DivAina solyuzana', kabhI bhI bilkula bhI udhAra nahIM, nakada hI hai / jo cAhie vaha nakada milegA yahA~ para ! jo nakada AtmajJAna de deM, to ve 'pratyakSa' 'jJAnI'! bAkI, jahA~ para udhAra ho vahA~ para 'pratyakSa' 'jJAnI' haiM hI nahIM / nakada de dete haiM, 'keza' de dete haiN| isalie phira parIkSA karane ko rahatA hI nahIM hai na ! jo bainka 'keza pemenTa' karatA ho, usakI parIkSA kI z2arUrata hai? jo bainka aisA kahatA ho ki 'chaha mahInoM ke bAda paise die jAe~ge' to Apako parIkSA karanI par3atI hai ki Asa-pAsavAloM ko pUchanA par3atA hai| bAkI, jahA~ para nakada hI dete hoM, vahA~ para usakI parIkSA kyA karanI ? praznakartA : jIva ko qhayAla kaise AegA ki yaha nakada hai yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : vaha to turanta hI qhayAla A jaaegaa| nakada kA qhayAla

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266 AptavANI -8 nahIM Ae to aMdara AtmA hai hI nahIM / agara deha meM AtmA hai to qhayAla AegA hii| bAkI, yadi khuda ko Ter3hA calanA ho to cle| usakI use chUTa hotI hI hai na! yA phira 'jJAnI' ke pAsa se jJAna lene ke bAda meM u~Dela denA ho to bhI chUTa hai| use koI manAhI nahIM hai ! jise nakada samajha meM AegA, vaha koI u~r3elegA hI nahIM na! vastu prApti kI pratIti.... praznakartA : 'mujhe' vastu milI hai yA nahIM, usakI pratIti kisa taraha se hogI? dAdAzrI : 'AtmA' kI pratIti 'Apako' ho hI jAegI hai na! Apa 'jo' ho, 'vahI' pratIti 'Apako' ho jAegI n| abhI jo bhrAMti hai, ApakA vaha astitva hI calA jaaegaa| 'mai caMdUbhAI hU~' yaha to bhrAMti hai| 'Apa' vAstava meM jo 'AtmA' ho, 'Apa' 'vahI AtmA' bana jAte ho, isalie phira bhrAMti rahegI hI nahIM / aura isalie phira pUchane ko rahA hI nahIM na! 'caMdUbhAI' to cale jAe~ge, 'caMdUbhAI' apane ghara cale jaaeNge| ye 'caMdUbhAI' zaMkAvAle haiM aura ve khuda hI cale jAte haiM / 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~', yaha 'roMga bilIfa' hai| par3egA? ba~dhe, bilIfa dvArA... aba karor3oM janma ho jAe~ge, phira bhI 'rAiTa bilIfa' nahIM baiTha sakegI / jahA~ para eka bhI 'roMga bilIfa' nahIM jAtI, vahA~ para eka bhI 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThegI hI kisa taraha se ? arthAt eka bhI ' roMga bilIfa' haTatI nahIM aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThatI nahIM! pUrI duniyA meM eka bhI manuSya kI eka bhI roMga bilIfa' haTatI nhiiN| itane janmoM se bhagavAna mahAvIra ke zAstra par3hate A rahe haiM, phira bhI eka bhI 'roMga bilIfa' haTatI nahIM aura dina badalate nahIM / zAstra par3hane se ThaMDaka rahatI hai lekina bilIfa nahIM bdltii| bilIfa to, 'jJAnIpuruSa', jo ki mokSadAtA puruSa haiM, ve hI badalavA sakate haiN| praznakartA : mokSa prApta karanA ho to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa jAnA

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AptavANI-8 267 dAdAzrI : aura ve 'jJAnIpuruSa' mokSadAtA puruSa hone caahie| mokSa kA dAna kauna de sakatA hai? jo khuda niraMtara mokSa meM rahate hoM, ve mokSa kA dAna de sakate haiN| agara 'roMga bilIfa' meM hI hoM, taba phira bhale hI kucha bhI karoge, zAstra par3hoge-karoge to bhI 'roMga bilIfa' hI maz2abUta hotI rahegI, 'roMga bilIfa' ko hI poSaNa milatA rhegaa| aura isa saMsAra meM janma se hI loga 'use' ajJAna kA pradAna karate haiM ki 'yaha baccA hai, bacce ye tere pApA haiM, ye terI mammI' aisA karake ajJAna kA pradAna kiyA jAtA hai, phira 'use' pUrI 'roMga bilIfa' baiTha jAtI hai| vaha bilIfa koI phrekcara nahIM kara sktaa| bAkI, yoM hI agara kaheM ki 'Apa zaddha ho', aisA kaise calegA? 'ApakI' samajha meM ger3a baiThanI cAhie, tabhI yaha 'roMga bilIfa' phrekcara hogii| nahIM to 'roMga bilIfa' phrekcara hogI nahIM, aura taba taka 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha koI eksepTa karegA hI nhiiN| abhI taka pUrI z2indagI 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA kara-karake ekaeka paramANu meM yaha ghusa gayA hai| aba ise nikAlanA, isa 'roMga bilIfa' ko phrekcara karanA, vaha to 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI kara sakate haiN| aMta meM AtmarUpa hone para hI mukti praznakartA : aisA bhI kahA jAtA hai ki eka minaTa AtmA kA vicAra kare to bhI vaha saMsAra se mukta ho jAegA? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmarUpa ho jAe to saMsAra se mukta ho jaaegaa| bAkI, jahA~ AtmA saMbaMdhI vicAra kare, vahA~ para AtmA hai hI nhiiN| aise jo vicAra karatA hai na, ve to AtmA meM jAne ke rAste haiN| praznakartA : lekina AtmarUpa hone kI dazA utpanna ho jAe to saMsAra kA bhrama TUTa jAtA hai kyA? __ dAdAzrI : bhrama dhIre-dhIre chUTatA hai| lekina jo usakA purAnA hisAba hai na, isalie bhrama hue bagaira rahegA nahIM na! vaha to jaba nayA saMvarapUrvakavAlA ho jAegA to kAma kaa| ataH eka minaTa ke lie bhI AtmA ho gayA to phira vaha hamezA ke lie rahegA hii|

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268 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : eka minaTa to kyA, ar3atAlIsa sekanDa bhI nahIM rhtaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM rahatA, to aisA nahIM clegaa| praznakartA : ar3atAlIsa sekanDa se pahale to bhAga jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : lekina jo bhAga jAtA hai vaha AtmA hai hI nhiiN| AtmA to use kahate haiM ki jo bhAga nahIM jaae| 'AtmA' usI rUpa meM hai, jaba dekho taba usI rUpa meM hai, ata: AtmA alaga laganA cAhie aura yaha dUsarA saba jo hai, vaha saba alaga laganA caahie| praznakartA : use samajhate haiM, aisA anubhava meM bhI AtA hai| phira bhI itanA maz2abUta mAyAvI jAla utpanna ho jAtA hai usa samaya, ki usa ora khIMca le jAtA hai| dAdAzrI : vastusthiti meM aisA hai na ki 'hameM koI kucha kheMcakara le jAe, aisA nahIM hai| 'AtmA' prApta huA ho, aisA abhI taka 'ekz2ekTanesa' meM AyA nahIM hai| agara 'ekjekTanesa' meM Ae to koI kucha nAma de aisA nahIM hai| kyoMki phira to DiscArja karma bAkI rahate haiM, isalie bhogavaTA (sukha-duHkha kA asara) hI rahatA hai sirpha, naye karma ba~dhate hI nahIM hai| agara AtmA prApta huA hai to saMvara (karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA) rahatA hai aura jahA~ saMvara hai vahA~ para baMdha nahIM pdd'taa| Azrava (udayakarma meM tanmayAkAra honA) aura nirjarA (karma kA asta honA) to ajJAnI aura jJAnI, donoM ko hote hI hai, lekina usameM ajJAnI ko baMdha par3atA hai aura jJAnI ko jJAna ke pratApa se saMvara rahatA hai, itanA hI farka hai| praznakartA : Azrava, nirjarA aura saMvara, ina tInoM bhUmikAoM meM ekadama se Age-pIche ho jAte haiM, ise karmoM kA prabhAva kaheMge? dAdAzrI : karmoM kA prabhAva to bahuta bhArI hotA hai| phira bhI karma nyUTrala hai, yAnI ki napusaMka hai| ataH ve kucha nahIM kara skte| jaba taka 'apanA' AdhAra nahIM hogA, taba taka ve kucha bhI nahIM kara skte|

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AptavANI-8 269 'hama' AdhAra deM, usake bAda hI ve kucha kara sakate haiM, varnA khatma ho jAte haiN| nirAdhAra hone ke bAda ve hameM kucha bhI nahIM kara skte| lekina jaba 'hama' AdhAra dete haiM ki 'maiMne yaha kiyA', tabhI se ve hameM hilA dete haiN| praznakartA : vaha jo AdhAra diyA jAtA hai, vaha pUrvakarma hai kyA? dAdAzrI : use ajJAnatA kahate haiN| karmoM kI to nirjarA hotI rahatI hai, lekina 'hama' AdhAra dete haiM ki 'maiM karatA huuN|' jo karma udaya meM Ae haiM, ve apanA rola adA kareMge hI, lekina usameM 'hama' kahate haiM ki 'maiMne' kiyA hai| praznakartA : to jo karma niSkAmabhAva se bhogane cAhie, ve hama bhogate nahIM aura vRttiyA~ unameM calI jAtI haiM, aisA huA na? dAdAzrI : vaha to, jJAna ke binA kartAbhAva chUTanA muzkila hai| jJAna ho to kartAbhAva nahIM rhtaa| kartAbhAva nahIM rahatA, isalie saMvara rahatA hai aura jahA~ para saMvara hai, vahA~ para samAdhi rahatI hai| praznakartA : saMvara kI bhUmikA taka to pahu~cA jA sakatA hai, lekina sthira nahIM rahA jA sktaa| dAdAzrI : nahIM, yadi saMvara hogA to samAdhi rahegI hii| samAdhi rahe to samajhanA ki use saMvara hai| praznakartA : lekina kinhIM kAraNoM se karmabaMdha ho jAe to, usa samaya kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : kucha karanA to hai hI nhiiN| AtmA ho jAne kI z2arUrata hai| praznakartA : isake lie mAnasika rUpa se to socanA par3egA na, ki isakA upAya kyA ho sakatA hai? dAdAzrI : eka bAra AtmA ho gae na, phira kucha socanA nahIM hai| socane kI bhUmikA to kaba taka hai? ki 'yaha AtmA hai yA yaha AtmA

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270 AptavANI-8 hai' aisI jaba taka zaMkA hai, taba taka socanA hai| jaba taka AtmA saMbaMdhI saMdeha hai taba taka socanA hai| praznakartA : AtmA ke bAre meM, jaba taka yaha saMsAra hai taba taka tarkavitarka kI bhUmikA to rahegI hI na? dAdAzrI : AtmA 'jJAnIpuruSa' se prApta honA cAhie aura vaha 'AtmA' jJAnapUrvaka, unakI AjJApUrvaka rahanA caahie| praznakartA : usI taraha se to prayatna karate haiM, phira bhI tarka-vitarka khar3e hote haiN| dAdAzrI : eka bAra yahA~ para 'jJAna' lenA par3egA, phira AjJA meM rahanA pddegaa| aura phira Apako satsaMga meM Akara pUcha lenA caahie| aura yaha to nirvikalpa jJAna hai| isa nirvikalpa jJAna meM vikalpa kyoM hone cAhie? saMkalpa-vikalpa hoM, taba to abhI taka AtmA kI prApti huI hI nahIM hai, aisA kahA jaaegaa| saMkalpa-vikalpa karanevAlA huA ki nirvikalpa hogA hI nhiiN| deha chUTe lekina bilIfa nahIM chUTatI praznakartA : isa zarIra kA tyAga hone para ye 'roMga bilIpheM' apane Apa calI jAtI haiM na? dAdAzrI : yAnI ki mara jAe, taba? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve 'roMga bilIpheM' to phira se utpanna hotI haiN| kyoMki marane para mokSa meM nahIM jaataa| mara gayA, isakA matalaba yaha ki yahA~ para isake pAsa 'sTaoNka' meM jo sAmAna thA, use sAtha meM lekara jAtA hai, krodha-mAna-mAyAlobha saba 'sTaoNka' meM haiM, una sabhI ko sAtha meM lekara jAtA hai, kucha bhI bAkI nahIM rakhatA, pUrA kaSAya rUkI parivAra hI usake sAtha jAtA hai aura phira se, jahA~ nayA janma hotA hai, vahA~ se phira se zurUAta hotI hai|

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AptavANI-8 271 praznakartA : lekina hama aisA kahate haiM na, ki marane ke bAda sabakucha chor3akara jAnA hai, to phira saba 'sTaoNka' meM kisa taraha rahatA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to sthUla saba chor3a denA par3atA hai| sUkSma meM to, kaSAyarUpI parivAra sahita sabakucha sAtha meM hI jaaegaa| yaha sthUla yAnI jo hameM A~khoM se dikhe vaisA, A~khoM se nahIM dikhe vaisA aura mAikroskopa se bhI nahIM dikhe, vaisA bhI sthUla hotA hai| vaha saba yahA~ para chor3akara jAnA hai aura sUkSma bhAga pUrA sAtha meM jAegA, khuda ke sabhI karma bA~dhakara vahA~ para sAtha meM le jAte haiN| bilIfa badalane se, chUTe karma praznakartA : phira yaha 'roMga bilIfa' phrekcara kisa taraha se hotI haiM? dAdAzrI : vaha Apako nahIM karanI hai, vaha hameM kara denI hai| vaha Apase nahIM hogii| agara Apase ho sakatI taba to anaMta janmoM se Apa ho hI na! yAnI ki vaha DaoNkTara kA kAma hai| Apako to eka ghaMTe ke lie DaoNkTara ko deha sauMpa denI hai ki 'bhAI, Apako jo oNparezana karanA ho vaha kara do merA, aura merA kucha niber3A lA do|' to kAma ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : karma haiM aura mAnyatAe~ haiM, ina donoM kA kyA saMbaMdha hai? kyoMki koI eka galata bilIfa TUTa gaI, usa ghar3I ekadama halkApana anubhava karatA hai| usa ghar3I karma se nivRtta huA kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : taba to 'roMga bilIfa' se nivRtta hotA hai| praznakartA : to utane karma bhasma ho gae yA nahIM hue? dAdAzrI : nahIM, ve karma hI badalate haiM na! bilIfa nivRtta ho jAe to karma zAMta ho jAte haiM, vaha zAtA vedanIya meM gyaa| praznakartA : ye jo karma cipake haiM, ve? dAdAzrI : mAnyatA badalI to jo sabhI karma cipake hue haiM na, ve saba alaga hone lagate haiN| mAnyatA badalI to karma saba alaga hote jAte

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272 AptavANI-8 haiN| varnA agara mAnyatA nahIM badalI hotI to karma alaga hote hI nhiiN| ye saba 'roMga bilIpheM' hI haiN| khuda paramAtmA hai, lekina dekho na, yaha kyA dazA huI hai! bilIfa se bilIfa kA chedana praznakartA : aba ye 'roMga bilIfa' haiM aura phira ye 'rAiTa bilIfa' baiThAte haiM, to 'rAiTa bilIfa' kA bhI lAbha milegA na? lekina vaha bhI bilIfa to hai hI na? aura jaba taka bilIfa hai taba taka usake phala svarUpa karma to raheMge hI na? dAdAzrI : lekina 'rAiTa' meM to bilIfa hI nahIM hai| yaha to 'roMga bilIfa' kA chedana karane ke lie 'rAiTa bilIfa' hai| nahIM to 'roMga bilIfa' chedita hogI hI nahIM na! 'rAiTa bilIfa' se 'roMga bilIfa' kA chedana kare, taba 'rAiTa bilIfa' se apane Apa hI, khuda se hI khuda kA chedana ho jAtA hai| ataH phira usakA chedana karanA bAkI nahIM rhtaa| aise krama meM yaha saba vyavasthA meM hai| aisA hai na, nahIM to bar3hate-bar3hate aMta hI nahIM AegA iskaa| yaha samyakdarzana hai na, 'rAiTa bilIfa' hai na, vaha khuda hI vilaya ho jAtI hai| 'rAiTa bilIfa' sva-sattAdhArI hai aura 'roMga bilIfa' parasattA hai| nirAlaMba kI dRSTi se, vastutva kA siddhAMta 'jJAnIpuruSa' to bhAna karavAe~ge ki 'saMsAra' se 'tU' cipakA huA hai| varnA koI vastu 'tujhe' sparza nahIM kara sktii| taba vaha kahegA, 'mujhe koI z2arUrata nahIM hai?' taba hama kahate haiM, 'nahIM, tujhe koI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai| tujhe jagat meM avalaMbana kI z2arUrata hI nahIM hai|' usake bAda 'vaha' bhAna meM A jAe na, taba vaha kahegA, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, maiM zuddhAtmA huuN|' phira aMdara ciMtA-ghabarAhaTa kucha bhI nahIM rhtii| ciMtA-ghabarAhaTa, vaha saba to 'paravastu' meM hotA hai aura 'khuda' sira para le letA hai ki 'mujhe aisA ho rahA hai|' are, yaha 'terA' nahIM hai aura yaha saba dUsare ke ghara meM ho rahA hai| 'tujhe' kahA~ kucha ho rahA hai? ho rahA hai par3osI ke ghara, vahA~ hameM kyA? aura

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AptavANI-8 273 'AtmA' ko to kucha hogA hI nahIM na? lekina yaha to anAdi kI bhrAMti 'use' yaha sArI bAta bhulavA detI hai| jJAnI ke prayoga se, AtmA-anAtmA bhinna praznakartA : Apa kahate haiM 'AtmA mujhase ekadama alaga hai', to vaha mujhe abhI taka bhI ekadama spaSTa nahIM ho paataa| dAdAzrI : alaga karane ke bAda meM phira alaga hogA, nahIM to tanmayAkAra hai| 'hama' alaga kara dete haiM, 'hama' prayoga karate haiM taba alaga ho jAtA hai, nahIM to taba taka nahIM ho sktaa| yAnI ki Apako aisA kahanA hai ki vAstava meM alaga to hai hI, lekina bhrAMti hai, taba taka ba~dhA huA hI hai| hama yahA~ para jJAna dete haiM, usa dina AtmA aura anAtmA donoM ko judA kara dete haiM, phira 'Apako' 'bhagavAna' kA sAkSAtkAra jAtA hI nahIM aura taba Apako Apake doSa dikhane lagate haiM, varnA taba taka doSa nahIM dikhte| aura doSa dikhane ke bAda doSa cale jAte haiN| jaise-jaise doSa dikhane lagate haiM, vaise-vaise cale jAte haiM sbhii| jJAnaprApti, bhAvanA ke pariNAma svarUpa praznakartA : mere nasIba meM kyA hai? Apane jaisA batAyA, vaisA jJAna mujhameM kaba AegA? vaha avadhi btaaie| dAdAzrI : vaha to AegA, bhAvanA kI hai to AegA na! pahale bhAvanA hogI na, tabhI AegA, varnA bhAvanA hI nahIM kI hogI to kisa taraha se AegA? praznakartA : mujhe to aisA lagatA hai ki dillI bahuta dUra hai| dAdAzrI : are, isa duniyA meM kucha bhI dUra hotA hI nhiiN| AtmA hI pAsa meM hai, to dillI kyoM dUra hogI? AtmA Apake khuda ke naz2adIka hai| AtmA jo ki aprApta vastu hai, vaha Apake khuda ke pAsa meM hai, to aura kauna-sI vastu dUra kahalAegI?

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274 AptavANI-8 ...to jJAnAMtarAya TUTeMge praznakartA : yahA~ Apake pAsa bahuta loga Ate haiM, usameM se kisIkisIko jJAna lene kA mana nahIM hotA, vaha kyA hai? isakA kyA kAraNa hai? dAdAzrI : ve unake aMtarAya karma haiN| ve aMtarAya jaba khatma ho jAe~ge taba phira jJAna lene kA mana hogaa| to aMtarAya khatma karane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? ki yA to 'khuda' ko taya hI kara lenA cAhie ki Aja aMtarAya tor3a hI DAlane haiM, phira jo honA ho so ho, lekina aMtarAya tor3a hI DAlane haiN| yA phira 'jJAnI' se kahanA cAhie ki, 'sAhaba, mere aMtarAya tor3a dIjie', to 'jJAnIpuruSa' unheM tor3a deNge| bAkI aMtarAya karma to, yadi bhojana sAmane ho, phira bhI use khAne nahIM dete| bhojana taiyAra ho, khAne kI taiyArI kara rahA hotA hai, tabhI koI bulAne A jAtA hai ki, 'calo, jaldI clo'| to taiyAra thAlI chor3akara bhI jAnA par3e, vahI aMtarAya karma hai| ...taba AtmavartanA baratatI hai praznakartA : Apake dvArA AtmA kI anubhUti kisa prakAra se karavAI jAtI hai? dAdAzrI : abhI koI anubhUti hotI hai yA nahIM hotI? yaha ThaMDa lage to usakA anubhava nahIM hotA? garamI lagatI hai to usakA anubhava nahIM hotA? koI gAliyA~ detA hai to kar3avA rasa utpanna hotA hai, aisA anubhava nahIM hotA? Apako kauna-sA anubhava cAhie? praznakartA : AtmA kA anubhv| dAdAzrI : AtmA kA anubhava matalaba kyA? paramAnaMda sthiti, AnaMda jAe hI nahIM, vahI AtmA kA anubhava hai| praznakartA : vaha kisa taraha se milatA hai? dAdAzrI : Apako usakA kyA karanA hai? Apako hamezA ke AnaMda kI z2arUrata hI kyA hai? aura phira vAipha kI, paise kI z2arUrata hai yA nahIM?

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AptavANI-8 275 praznakartA : z2arUrata nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : to isa deha kI z2arUrata hai yA nahIM? praznakartA : bhagavAna ke alAvA mujhe aura kisI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| dAdAzrI : yaha ThIka hai, ApakA to zUravIra jaisA kAma hai| lekina usake lie Apako bhagavAna kyA hai', vaha jAnanA caahie| 'jagat kyA hai, kisane banAyA, bhagavAna kyA haiM, hama kauna haiM, yaha pUrA jagat kisa taraha se utpanna huA, aba bhagavAna kA sAkSAtkAra hameM kisa taraha se prApta hogA', vaha saba jAnanA pdd'egaa| praznakartA : isakA rAstA kyA hai? dAdAzrI : rAstA to yahIM para hai, aura varlDa meM kisI bhI jagaha para isakA rAstA hai hI nhiiN| yahIM para vaha sArA rAstA hai| praznakartA : lekina anubhava ke bagaira bekAra hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, anubhava to honA hI caahie| praznakartA : vaha kaba hogA? dAdAzrI : bhagavAna ke alAvA, AtmA ke alAvA jaba kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM rahegI, taba anubhava hogaa| phira usameM strI, paisA kisI bhI cIz2a kI z2arUrata nahIM rhtii| aura yahA~ para to Apako vaisA anubhava ho jaaegaa| kaba? isa janma meM hI, vaha bhI do-tIna mahInoM meM nahIM, eka ghaMTe meM hI ho jaaegaa| praznakartA : phira niraMtara AtmA meM tanmayAkAra kisa taraha se raheMge? dAdAzrI : yahA~ para jJAna le, aura phira 'hamArI' 'AjJA' meM rahe to niraMtara 'AtmA' meM raha skegaa| lekina yaha jaMjAla hai na, vaha 'use' niraMtara 'AtmA' meM nahIM rahane detaa| Apako' bhI jaMjAla to hai hI na, phira? bacce

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276 AptavANI-8 kaheMge, 'pitAjI phIsa laaie|' are bhAI, phIsa to ghara meM hai, lekina sau kA noTa bhunAne jAnA par3egA yA nahIM jAnA par3egA? zAdI nahIM kI ho to naukarI, dhaMdhA hotA hai| yAnI yaha sArA jaMjAla haiM aura jaba taka yaha hai taba taka niraMtara 'AtmA' meM nahIM rahA jA sktaa| lekina 'apane' bhAva jaba isa jaMjAla meM se kama hote jAe~ge aura sukha 'AtmA' meM hI hai, aisA samajha meM A jAegA, taba yaha jaMjAla kama hotA jAegA, usake bAda phira 'AtmA' meM rahA jA skegaa| zuddhAtmA zabda kI samajha praznakartA : aisA kahate haiM ki, AtmA saccidAnaMda ghana hai| yaha kalpanA hai yA saca hai? dAdAzrI : kyoM? saca hai| AtmA saccidAnaMda ghana hai, yaha saccI bAta hai| isameM kalpanA nahIM hai| praznakartA : loga ise kalpanA bhI kahate haiM, vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : kalpanA karanevAle ko 'saccidAnaMda kyA hai', isakA bhAna nahIM hai| agara bhAna ho jAe na to khuda ko hamezA ke lie zAzvata AnaMda ho jaaegaa| sanAtana sukha prApta ho jAe, taba saccidAnaMda svarUpa huA jAtA hai| praznakartA : AtmA saccidAnaMda ghana hai, to 'zuddhAtmA' kyoM kahA hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA saccidAnaMda svarUpa hI hai| lekina ina logoM ko saccidAnaMda zabda kyoM nahIM diyA? kyoMki 'saccidAnaMda', vaha guNavAcaka zabda hone se ina logoM ko samajha meM nahIM AegA, inheM zuddhAtmA kI z2arUrata hai, isalie ina logoM ko zuddhAtmA zabda diyA hai| zuddhAtmA kI z2arUrata kyoM hai? ye loga kahate haiM ki 'maiM pApI huuN|' taba kahe, "yadi 'tU' 'vijJAna' ko jAna legA to tujhe pApa chU nahIM skegaa| 'tU' 'zuddhAtmA' hI hai, lekina 'terI' 'bilIfa roMga' hai|" jisa prakAra kisI manuSya ne dina meM bhUta kI bAta sunI ho, aura rAta ko rUma meM akelA so jAe, to rAta ko agara aMdara

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AptavANI-8 277 pyAlA khar3akA ki vahIM para 'usameM ' ' roMga bilIfa' ghusa jAtI hai ki koI hai| aba jaba taka yaha ' roMga bilIfa' nahIM nikalatI taba taka 'usakI ' dazA aisI kI aisI hI rahatI hai, ghabarAhaTa hotI hai| bhUta soham se zuddhAtmA nahIM sAdhA jA sakatA praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA bolanA aura 'soham' bolanA, isameM kyA farqa hai? dAdAzrI : soham bolane kA artha hI nahIM hai|'shuddhaatmaa' to 'Apa' ho hii| soham kA artha kyA huA? ki 'vaha maiM hU~', usameM apanA kyA kalyANa huA? ataH 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' isImeM khuda kA kalyANa hai, isameM 'yaha zuddhAtmA, vaha maiM huuN|' jaba ki soham kA matalaba to 'vaha maiM hU~ / ' usakA koI artha nahIM hai ! soham to zuddhAtmA prApta karane kA sAdhana hai| jise sAdhya mila jAe, usake sAdhana chUTa jAte haiM / zuddha ho jAne para zuddhAtmA bola sakate haiM praznakartA : 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bolane se zuddhAtmA huA jA sakatA hai ? dAdAzrI : aise nahIM ho skte| aisA to kitane hI loga bolate haiM na ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' lekina kucha hotA nahIM hai I praznakartA : Apake pAsa se jJAna upalabdha nahIM huA ho, vaha yadi kitAba meM se par3hakara athavA to kisIke kahane se 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bole to fAyadA hogA? dAdAzrI : usase kucha nahIM hogA / aise lAkha janmoM taka 'zuddhAtmA' bolegA, taba bhI kucha hogA nahIM / jaise ki ApakA eka dosta ho, vaha Apase bAta karate-karate so jAe, lekina Apa aisA samajho ki vaha jaga rahA hai, to Apa use rupaye dene ke lie pUchate ho, phira se pUcho usase pahale hI vaha kahatA hai ki, 'maiM tujhe pA~ca haz2Ara rupaye dU~gA / ' to hama kyA vaha saca mAna leM? hameM patA

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278 AptavANI-8 to lagAnA par3egA na ki vaha nIMda meM hai yA jAgate hue bola rahA hai? agara nIMda meM bola rahA hogA to hama sArI rAta baiThe raheMge to bhI kucha degA nahIM aura agara jAgRta avasthA meM bola rahA hogA to hameM degaa| usI taraha se yaha nIMda meM bolatA hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', isalie kucha hogA nhiiN| 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' vaha bhAna 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA diyA huA honA cAhie yAnI ki jaga rahA ho aura bole to kAma kaa| isI taraha maiM Apako jAgrata karake 'zuddhAtmA hU~' bulavAtA hU~, yoM hI nahIM bulavAtA! aura eka ghaMTe meM to pUrA mokSa de detA huuN| mokSa yAnI kabhI bhI ciMtA nahIM ho, aisA mokSa detA huuN| prakaTa se prakaTe, yA pustaka ke dIye se? praznakartA : jJAna lie bagaira pustaka meM par3hakara 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bole, to bhI usakA phala milegA na? dAdAzrI : kucha bhI phala nahIM milegA, 'jJAna' lie bagaira koI 'zuddhAtmA hU~' bole to kAma nahIM aaegaa| use 'zuddhAtmA' to yAda hI nahIM Ae~ge na! aura kitAba meM to aisA likhA huA hai ki 'AtmA zuddha hai aura tU zuddhAtmA hai| yaha saba tU nahIM hai aura saMsAra meM zuddhAtmA ke rUpa meM hama kucha kara sakeM, aise haiM hI nhiiN| vaha dravya apanA kAma karatA hai, yaha dravya apanA kAma karatA hai|' yaha saba kahanA cAhate haiN| lekina logoM ko zuddhAtmA rahegA hI kisa taraha? yaha to ahaMkAra aura krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha sabakucha sAtha meM hai, to use zuddhAtmA kisa taraha se rahegA? yoM pUre dina raTakara 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' bolatA hai, lekina use zuddhAtmA kA lakSya baiThatA nahIM hai na! 'jJAnIpuruSa' pApa jalA deM, taba zuddhAtmA kA lakSya baiThatA hai aura vaha lakSya hara samaya rahatA hai, nahIM to lakSya meM rahe hI nahIM na! yAnI ki pahale pApa dhula jAne caahie| praznakartA : ApakI pA~ca AjJAe~ likhI huI hoM, to Aja se saudo sau varSa bAda bhI koI pA~ca AjJA par3hakara bole, una para vicAra kare, to phira use zuddhAtmA kA pada milegA yA nahIM?

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AptavANI-8 279 dAdAzrI : nahIM, nhiiN| vaha to, koI jJAnI raheMge, do sau-pA~ca sau varSa taka kucha na kucha sphurita hogaa| hara eka meM kabhI na kabhI 'prakAza' hotA hI rahegA, to vaise koI hoMge to sabhI ke kAma aaeNge| bAkI, aise ke aise zuddhAtmA nahIM huA jA sktaa| samaraNa se zuddhAtmA nahIM hai sAdhya eka vyakti ne kahA, 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~, aisA yAda karatA rahatA huuN|' taba maiMne use kahA, 'are, yAda karatA rahatA hai to bhI zuddhAtmA prApta nahIM huA?' taba kahane lagA, 'nhiiN| aura dUsare dina to mujhe mana meM aisA huA ki vaha kauna-sA zabda thA? kauna-sA zabda, kauna-sA zabda, to cAra ghaMTe taka vaha zabda yAda hI nahIM aayaa|' yAnI ki zabda hI bhUla jAtA hai| usa samaraNa se (nAmasmaraNa) kucha lakSya meM nahIM baitthtaa| aise samaraNa karane ke bajAya 'vAipha' kA samaraNa karanA acchA ki pakor3e, jalebI banAkara to degii| aise galata samaraNa de-dekara to, na devagati meM gae, na hI yahA~ para acchA sukha-vaibhava milA, yAnI aise bhI bhaTakA diyA aura vaise bhI bhaTakA diyaa| yahA~ para agara sukha-vaibhava milA ho to bhI samajheM ki ThIka hai| ye to kaheMge, 'samaraNa de rahe haiM, Apa samaraNa karate rhnaa|' are bhAI, agara vaha samaraNa bhUla jAU~ taba mujhe kyA karanA cAhie? aura samaraNa to kaba rahatA hai ki jisa para rAga hotA hai na, to apane Apa hI usakA samaraNa rahA karatA hai| yA phira jisa para bahuta hI dveSa ho, jisa para bahuta cir3ha ho, vaha yAda AtA rahatA hai| yAnI bahuta rAga ho to vaha yAda AtA rahatA hai, usakA samaraNa rahatA hai| aura samaraNa kA phala saMsAra, bhaTakate hI rhnaa| Apako samajha meM AI yaha bAta? samaraNa kA artha samajha meM AyA na? yAnI ki AtmA satata hAz2ira rahakara apane Apa hI vaisA bolane laganA caahie| hama bulavAe~ aura vaha bole, aisA nhiiN| apane Apa hI honA caahie| praznakartA : lekina yaha 'zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA aMdara se bolanA zurU ho jAtA hai yA nahIM?

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280 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : ho jAtA hai na! praznakartA : to phira vaha bolatA hogA yA bulavAtA hogA? dAdAzrI : yaha bolate-bulavAte kA savAla nahIM hai ismeN| koI bulavAtA bhI nahIM hai aura bulavAe to vaha bulavAnevAlA gunahagAra bana jaaegaa| yAnI ki Apa jo DhU~Dha rahe ho na, vahA~ para a~dherA hai| Apa Age jo mA~ga rahe ho, vaha saba a~dherA hI hai| use bulavAnevAlA koI hai hI nhiiN| ye 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' bola rahe haiM aura Apa jo kaha rahe ho na, vaha saba to ghora a~dherA hai| usa tarafa bahuta loga gae aura ve sabhI bhaTaka ge| bAr3AbaMdI to vibhAvikatA meM praznakartA : to zuddhAtmA kA jo jJAna Apake pAsa se leM, to vaha eka maMDala yA bAr3A nahIM kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, isameM bAr3A hai hI nahIM na! jahA~ para vibhAvikatA hotI hai, vahA~ para bAr3A (saMpradAya) hotA hai| svAbhAvikatA hotI hai vahA~ para sahajatA utpanna hotI hai, vahA~ para bAr3A hotA hI nahIM na! kyoMki vaha per3apaudhe, gAya-bhaiMsa sabhI jIvoM meM zuddhAtmA ke darzana karatA hai, phira usameM judAI yA bAr3A rahA hI kahA~? sabhI jagaha 'evarIvhera' bhagavAna dikhate haiM use| roMga bilIfa miTane se bhagavAna meM abheda praznakartA : agara zuddhAtmA hI bhagavAna hai, khuda ke aMdara hI hai, to phira vaha dUra kahIM para hogA hI nahIM na? dAdAzrI : haaN| basa, aMdara haiM, vahI bhagavAna haiM, aura koI bhagavAna isa jagat meM hai hI nhiiN| praznakartA : to phira usa bhagavAna se khuda ko bheda nahIM rahatA hai na?

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AptavANI-8 281 4 4 dAdAzrI : lekina abhI to 'Apako' bheda hai| abheda ho jAe~ge tabhI 'bhagavAna' Apako mileMge, aisA hai| lekina 'Apako' to 'caMdUbhAI' hI rahanA hai aura 'kisI strI kA pati bananA hai, beTe kA bApa bananA hai, kisIkA mAmA bananA hai, kisIkA cAcA bananA hai|' to phira 'bhagavAna' 'Apako' mileMge hI nahIM na! 'Apa' 'bhagavAna' ke ho jAoge, to 've' 'Apake' sAtha abheda ho jAe~ge / 'Apa' 'zuddhAtmA' ho gae, 'bhagavAna' ke ho gae to 'Apa' abheda ho jaaoge| yaha to 'Apane' bheda DAlA hai, 'bhagavAna' ne bheda nahIM ddaalaa| 'isa strI kA pati hU~' aisA kahA, isalie bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'jA, pati bana / ' to isa taraha bhagavAna ke sAtha bheda ddaalaa| aba bhagavAna ke sAtha ekAkAra ho gae ki ho gayA saba abhed| aura usa taraha se abheda hone ke lie yaha sArA 'vijJAna' hai| pUrA jagat bhagavAna ko DhU~Dha rahA hai aura vaha abheda hone ke lie DhU~Dha rahA hai| ApakA kahanA ThIka hai ki yaha bheda kyoM Dala gayA? bAta to saca hI hai na? bheda to, aisA hai na ki bhagavAna to khuda aMdara hI haiM, lekina ekatA kyoM nahIM lagatI ? bhagavAna kI kabhI paravAha hI nahIM kI hai na ! use to 'yaha merI vAipha aura yaha merA beTA, aura yaha merA bhAI, yaha merA mAmA', ina sabakI hI par3I huI hai / 'bhagavAna' kI 'use' par3I hI nahIM hai| are, bhagavAna kI kisIko bhI par3I nahIM hai / bhagata ko bhI bhagavAna kI nahIM par3I hai| bhagata to maMjIrA aura isI saba dhuna meM aura dhuna meM mastI meM rahe haiN| bhagavAna kI kisIko bhI par3I hI nahIM hai| ve bhagavAna to ise roz2a kahate haiM ki 'kisIko merI par3I nahIM hai|' koI cAya kI dhuna meM, koI gAMje kI dhuna meM, koI kisIkI dhuna meM, koI vhiskI kI dhuna meM, koI vAipha kI dhuna meM, to koI lakSmI kI dhuna meM, basa, dhuna meM hI par3A huA hai yaha jgt| 2 zuddhatA barate isalie, zuddhAtmA kaho praznakartA : Apane zuddhAtmA kisalie kahA ? sirpha AtmA hI kyoM nahIM kahA? AtmA bhI cetana to hai hI na?

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AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA arthAt zuddha cetana hI / zuddha isalie kahanA hai ki pahale mana meM aisA lagatA thA ki 'maiM pApI hU~, maiM aisA nAlAyaka hU~, maiM aisA hU~, maiM vaisA huuN|' aise taraha-taraha ke khuda para jo Aropa the, ve sabhI Aropa nikala ge| zuddhAtmA ke bajAya sirpha 'AtmA' kaheMge to khuda kI zuddhatA kA bhAna bhUla jAegA, nirlepatA kA bhAna calA jaaegaa| isalie 'zuddhAtmA' kahA hai| praznakartA : to zuddhAtmA kA marma kyA hai? dAdAzrI : 'zuddhAtmA' kA marma yaha hai ki vaha asaMga hai, nirlepa hai, jaba ki 'AtmA' aisA nahIM hai / 'AtmA' lepita hai aura 'zuddhAtmA', vaha to paramAtmA hai| sabhI dharmavAle kahate haiM na, 'merA AtmA pApI hai', phira bhI zuddhAtmA ko koI parezAnI nahIM hai| 282 zuddhAtmA yahI sUcita karatA hai ki hama aba nirlepa ho gae, pApa gae sbhii| yAnI zuddha upayoga ke kAraNa zuddhAtmA kahA hai / varnA 4 'AtmA' vAle ko to zuddha upayoga hotA hI nahIM / AtmA to, sabhI AtmA hI haiM na ! lekina jo zuddha upayogI hotA hai, use zuddhAtmA kahA jAtA hai| AtmA to cAra prakAra ke haiM, azuddha upayogI, azubha upayogI, zubha upayogI aura zuddha upayogI, aise saba AtmA haiN| isalie agara sirpha 'AtmA' boleMge to usameM kauna - sA AtmA ? taba kahe, 'zuddhAtmA / ' yAnI ki zuddha upayogI, vaha zuddhAtmA hotA hai / aba upayoga phira zuddha rakhanA hai| upayoga zuddha rakhane ke lie zuddhAtmA hai, nahIM to upayoga zuddha rahegA nahIM na? eka vyakti ne pUchA ki, 'dAdA, bAkI saba jagaha AtmA hI kahalavAte haiM aura sirpha Apa hI zuddhAtmA kahalavAte haiM, aisA kyoM? ' maiMne kahA ki, 've jise AtmA kahate haiM na, vaha AtmA hI nahIM hai aura hama zuddhAtmA kahate haiM, isakA kAraNa alaga hai|' hama kyA kahate haiM? ki tujhe eka bAra 'riyalAiz2a' karavA diyA ki tU zuddhAtmA hai aura ye caMdUbhAI alaga hai, aisA tujhe buddhi se bhI samajha meM A gyaa| aba caMdUbhAI se bahuta qharAba

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AptavANI-8 283 kAma ho gayA, loga niMdA kareM, aisA kAma ho gayA, usa samaya tujhe 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA lakSya cUkanA nahIM cAhie, 'maiM azuddha hU~' aisA kabhI bhI mata maannaa| aisA kahane ke lie 'zuddhAtmA' kahanA par3atA hai| 'tU azuddha nahIM huA hai' isalie kahanA par3atA hai| hamane jo zuddhAtmApada diyA hai, vaha zuddhAtmApada-zuddhapada, phira badalatA hI nhiiN| isalie zuddha zabda rakhA hai| azuddha to, yaha deha hai isalie azuddhi to hotI hI rhegii| kisIko adhika azuddhi hotI hai, to kisIko kama azuddhi hotI hai, aisA to hotA hI rhegaa| aura usakA phira usake khuda ke mana meM ghusa jAtA hai ki 'mujhe to dAdA ne zuddha banAyA phira bhI yaha azuddhi to abhI taka bAkI hai', aura aisA yadi ghusa gayA to phira bigar3a jaaegaa| kartAbhAva meM baratane se karmabaMdhana praznakartA : agara kisIne zuddhAtmA kA jJAna liyA ho aura use koI thappar3a mAre aura vaha vApasa thappar3a mAra de, to phira usa para jJAna kA asara nahIM huA, aisA samajheM? yA usakA zuddhAtmApana kaccA hai, aisA samajheM? dAdAzrI : zuddhAtmA kA jJAna kaccA raha gayA, aisA nahIM kaha skte| praznakartA : to phira usane kisalie thappar3a mArA vApasa? dAdAzrI : jaba thappar3a mArA na, usa samaya 'vaha' judA hI hotA hai| aura 'usake' mana meM pachatAvA hotA hai ki aisA nahIM honA cAhie, aisA kyoM ho rahA hai?' yaha 'jJAna' aisA hai ki apanI khuda kI eka bhI bhUla huI ho to turanta hI patA cala jAtA hai aura bhUla huI aisA patA cale na, taba pachatAvA hotA hI hai| aura yaha jo huA, usameM jJAna kA aura usakA koI lenA-denA nahIM hai| ye sabhI usake DiscArja bhAva haiN| praznakartA : zuddhAtmA ho cukA ho, yaha jJAna liyA huA ho aura 'paraphekTa' ho, to vaha hameM usake AcaraNa se kaise patA calegA?

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284 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : usameM 'igoiz2ama' nahIM hotA, kartApada khatma ho cukA hotA hai praznakartA : aisA mAno na, ki 'maiM nahIM kara rahA hU~' aisA use baratatA hai, to phira inako maiM thappar3a mArU~ aura maiM kahU~ ki 'maiM nahIM mAra rahA, zarIra mAra rahA hai| AtmA ne nahIM mArA' to? dAdAzrI : aisA kaha hI nahIM sakate na! 'zarIra ne mArA hai' aisA nahIM bola skte| vaha to jokhima hai| 'zarIra ne mArA hai, AtmA ne nahIM mArA' aisA kahe, aisA bacAva kare to use hama kaheMge, 'khar3e raho, zarIra meM mujhe suI cubhone do', to 'zarIra ne mArA hai' aisA nahIM bolegaa| aisA hai, mAranA to eka prakAra kA DiscArja bhAva hai| isa 'jJAna' ke bAda usakA 'khuda' kA cArja karanA baMda ho jAtA hai, phira DiscArja bAkI rahatA hai| vaha usakA jokhima nahIM rhtaa| 'kartA miTe to chUTe krm|' kartApana usakA chUTa gayA hai| praznakartA : 'hama kara rahe haiM, vaha bhAva calA jAnA caahie| dAdAzrI : basa, itanA bhAva calA gayA to kAma pUrA ho gyaa| zuddha-azuddha, kisa apekSA se AtmajJAna hue binA koI manuSya kahe ki 'merA chuTakArA hogA', to vaha bAta sahI nahIM hai, yaha to loga AtmajJAna mAna baiThe haiM, usameM docAra vAkya bolate haiM ki 'maiM anaMta jJAnavAlA hU~, maiM anaMta darzanavAlA hU~' aise do-pA~ca guNoM ko lekara zora macAte haiN| usameM AtmajJAna nahIM hai| pustaka meM jo hai ki 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~', usameM aisA kahanA cAhate haiM ki, 'tU yaha saba nahIM hai aura tU yaha hai' aise dRSTi badalanA cAhate haiM, aise bhAva meM tU A jA, kahate haiN| lekina usase kucha AtmA prApta ho gayA, aisA nahIM kahA jA sktaa| AtmA prApta ho gayA kaba kahA jA sakatA hai ki AtmajJAna ho jAe

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AptavANI-8 285 aura AtmajJAna, vaha kAraNa-kevaLajJAna kahalAtA hai| AtmajJAna yoM hI nahIM ho jAtA kisIko bhI! abhI AtmajJAna kisIko bhI nahIM hai| agara AtmAjJAna ho to aisI vANI bhI nahIM hogI, aisA vartana bhI nahIM hogA, koI Agraha hI nahIM hogA na! AtmajJAnI meM Agraha nahIM hotA, ve nirAgrahI hote haiN| aura jahA~ para AtmajJAna hai, vahA~ para ahaMkAra nahIM hotA, Agraha nahIM hotaa| bAkI jahA~ para ahaMkAra hai, Agraha hai, vahA~ para kucha bhI jAnate nhiiN| yaha bAta sahI hai ki ve zAstrajJAna jAnate haiM, lekina unameM ahaMkAra hai| jina zAstroM se aMhakAra nahIM gayA, to una zAstroM kA kucha bhI jJAna apane kAma nahIM aayaa| praznakartA : kucha dArzanikoM ne kahA hai ki AtmA zuddha-buddha hI hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, zuddha-buddha kahate haiN| aba AtmA yadi zuddha aura buddha hI hai to maMdira meM kisalie jAte ho? aura ye zAstra kyoM par3hate ho? yaha samajhane jaisA hai na? yAnI vahA~ para sApekSa bAta hai| kisI khAsa apekSA se zuddha hai| hA~, jaba taka khuda caMdUbhAI hai aura phira ajJAnI, taba taka AtmA zuddha nahIM kahA jA sktaa| hA~, 'terA' ajJAna jAe to 'AtmA' zuddha hI hai, aMdara to vaha zuddha hI hai, kabhI bhI azuddha huA hI nahIM, lekina agara tU use yoM hI 'zuddha hai, buddha hai' gAtA rahegA to kucha bhI hogA nhiiN| isa zuddha kA tujhe anubhava honA caahie| yAnI kahanA ho to kyA kahA jA sakatA hai ki 'deha kI apekSA se maiM azuddha hU~ aura khuda kI apekSA se maiM zuddha hU~', kyoMki khuda nirapekSa hai| lekina bAta aisI sApekSa honI caahie| sirpha nirapekSa bAta ki 'AtmA zuddha hI hai' aisA nahIM bola sakate! isa taraha 'AtmA zuddha hI hai' kaheMge, taba to phira AtmA ko DhUMDhane kA rahA hI nahIM na! 'kyA hai' jAnA, lekina... guru kyA kahate haiM ki 'tU yaha hai' aura ziSya gAtA rahatA hai, lekina 'tU kyA nahIM hai' aisA unhoMne nahIM batAyA, donoM batAnA par3atA hai| jaba ki sirpha 'kyA hai' itanA hI btaayaa| kyA nahIM hai' vaha nahIM btaayaa| taba phira ziSya kyA nahIM hai' meM rahatA hai aura zabda, 'kyA hai', usake nikalate haiN|

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286 AptavANI-8 yahA~ kucha loga mujhe mile the| mujhe kaha rahe the ki, 'mere guru ne diyA hai|' maiMne kahA ki, 'karekTa hai, galata nahIM hai| yaha Apako Apake guru ne diyA hai, lekina isase milA kyA abhI taka, vaha batAo mujhe| koI Apako cher3e to cir3ha nahIM jAte Apa?' taba ve kahane lage, 'vaha to nahIM jaataa| lekina vaha to bahuta samaya bIta jAne para hogA n|' maiMne kahA ki, 'nahIM, svarUpa agara hAtha meM A gayA to dera hI nahIM lgegii|' taba usane kahA, 'kisalie rukA huA hai?' taba maiMne kahA ki, "Apa kyA nahIM ho', vaha Apako batAyA nahIM hai| aura kyA ho', Apako itanA hI batAyA hai| lekina yadi 'kyA nahIM ho' batAyA hotA to kAma cltaa|" yaha kaunase guru jAnate haiM ki 'kyA nahIM ho?' lo, batAo dekhate haiM? abhI, 'khAne-pIne meM kyA tU nahIM hai?' usameM to 'eDajasTa' kara liyA ki 'maiM zuddha-buddha hI huuN'| lekina aba tU kyA nahIM hai, use DhU~Dha nikAla na! yA phira vaise kA vaisA hI hai? maiM bhI zuddha-buddha aura ilAyacI bhI zuddha-buddha hai? kyA nahIM hai aba? isakA vizleSaNa hue binA kucha ho nahIM pAtA aura saba bhaTakate haiN| anaMta janmoM se yahI bhaTakana cala rahI hai| narasiMha mahetA ne bahuta vizleSaNa kiyA kyoMki ve bahuta vicAravaMta the! nAgara kyA aise-vaise the? 've kucha aise-vaise nahIM the| unhoMne bahuta vizleSaNa kiyA thA aura phira ve bole ki, 'jyAhAM lagI AtmA tatva cinhyoM nahIM, tyahAM lagI sAdhanA sarva juutthii|' dekho, ve khuda kI sAdhanA ko jhUThI kahate haiM ! taba phira, 'Atmatatva jAnanA, isakA matalaba kyA hai?''kyA hai' use jAnanA aura kyA nahIM hai' use jAnanA, isIko Atmatatva kahate haiN| 'kyA hai' use nahIM jAnoge to harja nahIM hai, lekina kyA nahIM hai' itanA Apa jAna loge to mere lie bahuta ho gayA, kyoMki kyA nahIM hai' itanA jAna loge to phira kyA hai' vaha adhyAhAra (bAkI bacA huA) rhaa| aura adhyAhAra to saca bAta hI hai, use nahIM jAnoge to clegaa| lekina ye 'kyA nahIM ho' itanA jAnanA caahie| jaba ki logoM ne 'kyA hai' vaha jAna liyA aura phira use gAte rahate haiN| laDDU khAte samaya, vApasa.... aisA hotA hai na? abhI taka yahI calA hai, isalie anaMta janma hote hI rahate haiN|

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AptavANI-8 287 kyA nahIM hai, jAneM kisa taraha? praznakartA : aba usa 'negeTiva sAiDa' ke bAre meM batAie na mujhe ki 'negeTiva sAiDa' ko kisa taraha jAneM? dAdAzrI : usakA to maiM Apako, usa dina saba khulAsA kara duuNgaa| usa ghar3I sabhI negeTiva kA khulAsA ho jaaegaa| phira ina bAtoM meM maz2A AegA! usake bAda, maiM jo kahanA cAhatA hU~, vaha bAta Apa taka phuNceNgii| yAnI ina logoM se kahatA hU~ ki 'kyA nahIM ho' vaha jAnakara laao| taba ve kahate haiM ki, 'mujhe kyA nahIM hU~' vaha jAnanA hai| to maiM kaha detA hU~, 'mAi', itanA nikAla de| 'mere hAtha' vaha tU nahIM hai| 'merA sira' tU nahIM hai, 'merI A~kheM' unameM tU nahIM hai, ye saba mAinasa karatA rh| phira mana ko mAinasa kara, mAi mAinDa, mAi igoiz2ama, mAi spIca, sabakucha mAinasa kr| taba kahatA hai ki, 'taba to merA kalyANa hI ho jaaegaa| ho hI jAegA turNt|' to kara na, lekina yaha mAinasa kisa taraha se kare becArA? vaha pApa bhasmIbhUta ho jAne cAhie na! / __yaha pUrA jagat kaisA hai? aisA kare to aise pha~sa jAtA hai, aisA kare to aise pha~sa jAtA hai| yAnI sabakucha sApekSa hai, eka Ae to phira use dUsarI apekSA rahatI hai| ataH jaba hama pApa bhasmIbhUta kara dete haiM, usake bAda 'yaha hU~' aura 'yaha nahIM hU~', vaha samajha meM AtA hai| bAkI, 'kyA nahIM hU~' vaha hamane eka phaoNrinara ko diyA thaa| hama lonAvAlA gae the na, vahA~ para ve loga Ae the| ve kahane lage, 'hameM kucha diijie|' taba maiMne kahA ki, 'separeTa AI enDa mAi vitha jJAnIz2a separeTara', to merA separeTara maiM tujhe nahIM dUMgA, lekina maiM tujhe separazena kA aMdara kA rAstA batA detA huuN| usa taraha se tU 'merA' mAinasa karatA jA, yaha mAinasa kara, yaha mAinasa kr| lekina aba vaha prApti kisa taraha kare? usake pApa naSTa hue binA vaha prApti kisa taraha se kara pAegA? kyoMki ye jo pApa haiM na, ve isa jJAna para AvaraNa lA dete haiN| isalie pahale pApa naSTa hone caahie| ve pApa haiM, isalie yAda nahIM rahatA na! aura inheM zuddhAtmA

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288 AptavANI-8 lakSya meM kyoM rahatA hai? kyoMki pApa naSTa ho gae haiM isalie niraMtara lakSya meM rahatA hai| praznakartA : vaha jo sUkSma paradA hai, vaha 'rimUva' ho jAnA cAhie n| dAdAzrI : vaha hama 'rimUva' kara dete haiN| akrama mArga para liphTa meM maz2e se mokSa praznakartA : usake lie, Apane AtmajJAna ke lie akrama mArga batAyA hai? kramika mArga se yaha alaga hai aura AsAna hai, aisA Apane kahA dAdAzrI : hA~, akrama mArga kA matalaba liphTa mArga hai aura kramika mArga arthAt sIr3hiyA~, sIr3hI dara sIr3hI cddh'naa| aura akrama arthAt liphTa meM baiTha jaanaa| usameM Apako kucha karanA nahIM par3atA, sIdhA mokSa! Apako yadi karanA par3e to 'hama nahIM mile haiM, aisA khlaaegaa| yAnI Apako kucha bhI nahIM karanA hai| eka sirpha pA~ca AjJA dete haiM, jisase ve liphTa meM se hAtha-paira bAhara nahIM nikaalte| praznakartA : lekina aisA mArga AsAnI se milatA nahIM hai na kahIM bhI? dAdAzrI : hai na! yaha pUrA khulA hai na aura haz2AroM logoM ne liyA hai| kama se kama, paccIsa haz2Ara logoM ne liyA hai aura Apa kahate ho ki milatA nahIM, aisA kaise kaha sakate haiM? mArga to hai, lekina Apako vaha mArga mile, taba / lekina usakA TAimiMga milanA cAhie na? TAimiMga mile, taba mArga mila jAtA hai| bAkI, sabhI taraha ke mana ke khulAse ho jAe~, taba TAimiMga milatA haiN| mana kA samAdhAna ho jAe ki mArga sahI hai, usake bAda phira gAr3I paTarI para A jAtI hai, nahIM to AegI hI nahIM na? aura gAr3I bhrAMti lAina meM ghUmatI hI rahegI saba tarafa, mena lAina para to AegI hI nhiiN| kisI

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AptavANI-8 289 bhI jagaha para mena lAina para koI hotA bhI nahIM hai| bhrAMta lAinoM meM hI hote haiM aura akrama mArga arthAt mena laain| yAnI ki 'phulasTopa'-mArga hai yaha, 'komA'-mArga nahIM hai yh| kramika mArga kA artha kyA hai? ki sTepa bAi sttep| isakA matalaba yaha hai ki koI saMtapuruSa mile ki pA~ca haz2Ara sIr3hiyA~ car3ha jAtA hai| phira koI jAna-pahacAnavAlA mile to vApasa kenTIna meM khIMca le jAe, to vApasa tIna haz2Ara sIr3hiyA~ nIce utara jAtA hai| aise karate hue car3hanAutaranA, car3hanA-utaranA karatA rahatA hai| isalie vaha sephasAiDa mArga nahIM hai na! praznakartA : akrama mArga kI ora mur3ane ke lie kyA karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : Apa yahA~ para Ae ho aura Apa kaha do ki, 'sAhaba, merA niber3A lA dIjie', to niber3A A jaaegaa| yaha to aMtarAya TUTa cuke hoM, tabhI aisA bola pAte haiN| nahIM to "bAda meM ho jAegA' Age jAkara dekha leMge", aisA karake do varSa nikAla dete haiN| phira vApasa Ate haiN| lekina Ae haiM to prApti to hogI j'ruur| haz2Ara meM se eka-do logoM ke kesa phela hote haiM, bAkI nhiiN| dUsare sabhI kesoM meM prApti ho jAtI hai| kyoMki aisA nakada kauna chor3egA? aura phira, kucha bhI karanA nahIM hai use! sirpha liphTa meM baiThanA hI hai| jJAnI ke pAsa pahu~cA, vahI pAtratA praznakartA : yaha jJAna kisIko bhI prApta ho sakatA hai, yA usake lie koI pUrva bhUmikA honI cAhie? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaha yahA~ para AyA vahI usakI bhUmikA, aura kisI bhUmikA kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| yahA~ para AyA hai na, vahI bhuumikaa| bAkI vaisI bhUmikA to kaba pAsa karate ye loga? aura apane yahA~ para to phela ho cuke loga bhI calate haiN| phela ho cuke logoM ko mokSa ke mArga para le jaaeNge|

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290 AptavANI-8 jijJAsu vRtti to prApta karavAe vastu praznakartA : hama jJAna leM, to hamArI bhI vaha sTeja U~cI ho jAegI? dAdAzrI : phira mujhameM aura ApameM farka hI nahIM rhegaa| farka itanA hI rahegA ki maiMne merI dukAna kA mAla beca diyA hai sArA aura dukAna khAlI kara dii| aura ApakI dukAna khAlI karanI bAkI rahegI, itanA hI farka rhegaa| Apako to abhI sArA sAmAna beca denA hai| gur3a-zakkara jo bhI par3A ho, usakA nikAla kara denA hai| aura maiM saba nikAla karake baiThA huuN| itanA hI farka hai| yAnI ki yaha to maiM Apako mere sAtha hI baiThA detA hU~, jahA~ para maiM khuda hU~, vahA~ pr| aba aisA U~cA pada mile, tabhI to ciMtA baMda hotI hai na! bAkI ciMtA baMda honA, vaha kyA AsAna hai? ___ isa varlDa meM koI bhI manuSya ciMtArahita nahIM huA hai, aura maiM ciMtArahita kara detA hU~ Apako! lekina vaha to jaba maiM merI dazA meM baiThA dU~, tabhI ciMtArahita banoge na! yoM hI to nahIM ho jAegA na! ciMtA baMda ho jAe to jAnanA ki aba isa janma meM mokSa meM jAnevAle haiN| Apako ciMtA hI nahIM ho, saMsAra meM rahane ke bAvajUda, patnI-baccoM ke sAtha rahane ke bAvajUda, yaha sArA saMsAra vyavahAra karane ke bAvajUda ciMtA nahIM ho, to jAnanA ki eka janma meM hama mokSa meM jAnevAle haiM, aisA yaqIna ho gyaa| praznakartA : vaha sthiti prApta karanA muzkila hai| dAdAzrI : muzkila to hai, lekina yaha akrama vijJAna nikalA hai na, isalie mokSa to khicar3I banAne se bhI AsAna ho gayA hai! yaha akrama vijJAna prApta honA muzkila hai, aisA puNya jaganA muzkila hai| aura prApta ho jAe to ApakA kalyANa ho jaae| kyoMki puNya jagane ke bAda Apako kucha bhI karanA nahIM hotaa| Apako sirpha liphTa meM baiThanA hai, sirpha itanA hI ki hAtha-paira bAhara mata nikAlanA, isake lie maiMne AjJA dI hai, use paalnaa|

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AptavANI-8 291 praznakartA : abhI to hama jijJAsu haiM, kucha jJAna aura ajJAna kA bheda jAnane kI icchA hai, isalie Ae haiM / dAdAzrI : vaha to abhI ApakI jijJAsu dazA hai, lekina pUre dina kyA jijJAsu rahate ho? praznakartA : lagabhaga hA~ / dAdAzrI : nahIM, pUre dina jijJAsu nahIM rahate / vaha to, aisA hai abhI ApakI dazA jijJAsu hai / yadi aspatAla meM baiThe hoMge na to pezanTa jaisI dazA rhegii| jahA~-jahA~ jo avasthA hotI hai na, usa avasthA ko Apa mAnya karate ho to vaisI dazA ho jAtI hai ApakI / lekina 'Apa vAstava meM kauna ho' usakA patA nahIM lagAnA cAhie thA aba taka ? praznakartA : lagAnA cAhie thA / dAdAzrI : to kyoM nahIM lagAyA? praznakartA : usakI khojabIna cala hI rahI hai, sAhaba / dAdAzrI : kahA~ para khoja rahe ho? praznakartA : par3hakara, satsaMga se, jJAnIpuruSa se milakara, isa taraha se khoja cala hI rahI hai / dAdAzrI : vaha khoja ThIka hai / aisI khoja karate-karate hI Aja Apa 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke pAsa A ske| aba Apako 'jJAnIpuruSa' se kahanA hai, Apako jo-jo cAhie vaha mA~ga lenA / jo vastu cAhie ve sabhI cIjeM mA~ga lene kI Apako chUTa hai, jitanA cAhie utanA 'TenDara' bharane kI chUTa hai| I aisA hai, bAhara mUlI lene jAe~ to mUlI bhI mUlyavAna hai, usa mUlI ke dasa paise mA~gate haiM, aura yaha to amUlya cIz2a hai| yAnI ki Apako kyA lenA hai? isakI 'velyU' hI nahIM ho sakatI na? arthAt 'yaha lenA hai', usakA khuda ko lakSya rakhanA caahie| usake lie Apako taiyArI karake rakhanI caahie| skUla meM inAma mila rahA ho to bhI bacce kitanI taiyArI

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AptavANI-8 se lene jAte haiM, kitane adaba se, kitane vinaya se, kitane viveka se inAma lene jAte haiN| to isake lie kucha pUrva taiyArI ho sakatI hai kyA? bhAvanA aura aisI saba jAgRti ho jAnI cAhie / 'tujhe eka inAma milA hai', aisA kahe, to bacce kitanI mastI meM A jAte haiM ! jaba ki yaha to amUlya cIz2a dene kI bAta hai I 292 akrama mArga kI advitIya siddhiyA~ jaba isa jagat meM kisI bhI dvaMdva kA asara nahIM ho, kisI bhI vastu kA asara nahIM ho, 'maiM paramAtmA hU~' aisA bhAna ho jAe to ho gayA kalyANa! yA phira 'maiM zuddhAtmA hU~' aisA zraddhA meM A jAe, use pratIti meM baiTha jAe, to bhI phira Age bar3ha jAegA / arthAt pahale samajha meM AnA caahie| aura jaba samajha meM Ae, taba taka vartana badale yA na bhI bdle| lekina jJAna meM AyA, aisA kaba kahA jAegA ki vartana bhI badala jAe, tabhI jJAna meM AyA khlaaegaa| jJAna to usIko kahate haiM ki jo vartana meM ho| hama yaha jo jJAna dete haiM na, vaha kevaLadarzana kA jJAna dete haiM, kSAyaka samakita kA jJAna dete haiM / phira yadi hamArI AjJA meM rahe taba to donoM phala mileNge| aura usakA kSAyaka jJAna kaba ho pAegA? jaba vaha samajha phira vartana meM AegI, taba kSAyaka jJAna hogA / maiM Apako detA hU~ kevaLajJAna, lekina isa kAla ke kAraNa pacatA nhiiN| phira bhI mujhe pUrA-pUrA kevaLajJAna denA hai| kyoMki pUrA-pUrA nahIM dU~gA, taba to Apako prakaTa nahIM hogA lekina isa kAla ke kAraNa isakA pAcana nahIM ho paataa| vaha hajama nahIM ho pAtA, phira bhI usameM hameM harja nahIM hai / kyoMki mokSa apane pAsa A gayA, phira bAkI kyA rahA? aisA mokSa pAne ke bAda beTe-beTiyoM kI zAdI karavAe~, usameM bhI kyA harja hai? varnA kisI jIva ko thor3A bhI duHkha dekara mokSa meM jAnA cAheM, to mokSa meM ghusane deMge? kyoMki patnI kahegI, 'abhI Apa mata jAnA / isa choTI beTI kI zAdI karane ke bAda jAnA / ' aura agara Apa bhAga gae to kyA usase mokSa ho jAegA ApakA? bhagavAna ne kyA kahA hai

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AptavANI-8 293 ki saMsAra bAdhaka nahIM hai, ajJAna bAdhaka hai| ajJAna gayA to phira kyA parezAnI hai? aho! AtmA ko jAnane kA matalaba to... bAkI ye saba loga jise AtmA samajhate haiM, ve mikenikala AtmA ko AtmA samajhate haiN| vahI bhrAMti hai na! aura phira hama pUche, 'Apako samakita ho gayA?' taba kaheMge, 'nahIM, samakita to nahIM huaa|' AtmA jAnane ke bAda bAkI kyA rahA? vaha kSAyaka samakita se Upara, kevaLajJAna ke naz2adIka pahu~ca gayA khlaaegaa| yAnI ki AtmA jAnA jA sake aisA nahIM hai| isalie kRpAludeva ne likhA hai na bar3I pustaka para ki, 'jeNe AtmA jANyo teNe sarva jaannyu|' yaha jo kahane kA thA, vaha Upara likhA hai| aura yadi nahIM jAna liyA to aMdara mAthApaccI kr| anaMta janmoM se mAthApaccI kI hai aura phira se vahI kara, aisA kahate haiN| phira bhI aise karatA raha, to kabhI na kabhI sahI vastu mila jaaegii| ..jJAnI ke bhedajJAna se jAnA jA sakatA hai praznakartA : anAtmA ko jAne bagaira AtmA ko jAna sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : jo AtmA ko jAna le to vaha anAtmA ko jAna sakatA hai, lekina vaha zabda se hI jAnA jA sakatA hai| usase anAtmA ko nahIM jAnA jA sktaa| isalie hamane aisA kahA hai na ki, "mana-vacana-kAyA kI tamAma saMgI kriyAoM se 'maiM' bilkula asaMga huuN|" ve sabhI saMgI kriyAe~ anAtmA hai| 'mana-vacana-kAyA ke tamAma lepAyamAna bhAvoM se maiM sarvathA nirlepa hI huuN|' ye jo sAre lepAyamAna bhAva mana meM Ate haiM, vaha sArA anAtmA vibhAga hai| praznakartA : arthAt anAtmA aura AtmA, ve donoM eka sAtha jAne jA sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : donoM eka sAtha to nahIM jAne jA skte| vaha to hama yahA~ para jJAna dete haiM to sabakucha alaga ho jAtA hai| lekina sabakucha jyoM kA tyoM jAnanA to par3egA na!

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294 AptavANI-8 abhI taka to tatva kyA hai vahI nahIM jAnate aura AtmA hU~, zuddhAtmA hU~' bolate haiN| jJAna-darzana-cAritra', aisA saba bolate haiM, lekina isameM AtmA kyA hai? vaha patA hI nahIM calatA na? praznakartA : to 'maiM kucha bhI nahIM jAnatA', aisA rakhanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : basa, vahI aklamaMdI kA vAkya hai ki 'maiM kucha bhI nahIM jaantaa|' vItarAga dRSTi se, vilaya hotA hai saMsAra jJAna to dRSTi hai| yaha camar3e kI A~khoM kI dRSTi hai aura dUsarI jJAnadRSTi hai, usase dekhanA A gayA to kAma nikala jAegA na! ye camar3e kI A~kheM nahIM haiM? inase to aisA dikhatA hai ki 'ye mere sasura haiM, ye mere mAmA haiM, ye phUphA haiN| ye sabhI bAteM saca hoMgI? ye sabhI bAteM karekTa haiM? koI hamezA ke lie sasura rahatA hai kahIM? jaba taka DAyavorsa nahIM liyA ho taba taka sasura, DAyavorsa le usake dUsare dina vaha saMbaMdha khatma ho jAtA hai na! arthAt ye sabhI TemparerI eDajasTamenTasa hai! bAkI, dRSTi to 'jJAnIpuruSa' badala dete haiN| praznakartA : dRSTi ko bahirmukha se aMtarmukha kara dete haiN| dAdAzrI : nhiiN| vaisI aMtarmukha dRSTi nhiiN| abhI to ApakI dRSTi aMdaravAlI bhI hai hii| lekina ApakI dRSTi badala dete haiM, to phira bAhara bhI AtmA dikhatA hai| jaisA aMdara hai, vaisA bAhara bhI AtmA nahIM hai? lekina ApakI vaha dRSTi badala dete haiM! bAkI hameM to eka minaTa ke lie bhI yaha saMsAra yAda nahIM aataa| praznakartA : hamase eka minaTa bhI saMsAra bhUlA nahIM jaataa| dAdAzrI : yAnI ki pUre Diz2Aina meM hI farka hai| pUrI dRSTi meM hI farka hai, aura kucha bhI nhiiN| Apa yaha dekha rahe ho, maiM dUsarI tarafa aise dekha rahA huuN| pUrI dRSTi hI alaga hai| isameM aura kucha bhI prayatna

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AptavANI-8 295 nahIM karanA hai| yadi koI dRSTi badala de na to Apako bhI saba vaisA hI dikhegA phira! dRSTi eka bAra badalane ke bAda, vaha dRSTi khilatI jAtI hai, aura vaisevaise 'khuda' 'bhagavAna' hotA jAtA hai| lekina jaba taka dRSTi khilI nahIM hai, taba taka to jeba kaTI to jebakatare ko gunahagAra mAnatA hai| dRSTidoSa se pudgala anya svarUpa meM dikhatA hai| praznakartA : yaha carmacAvAlI dRSTi kA doSa kahalAegA na? ajJAnatA meM hoMge to patA hI kisa taraha calegA ki 'hama ajJAnatA meM haiM?' dAdAzrI : aisA patA hI nahIM calatA na ! phira jaisI usakI dRSTi hotI hai na, vaisA hI bana jAtA hai, isa camar3e kI A~khavAlI dRSTi, vaha dRSTi nahIM hai| use jJAna ke anusAra dRSTi ho jAtI hai, jitanA jJAna hai utane parimANa meM dRSTi hotI hai| jo jJAna 'use' prApta huA hai, usake AdhAra para hI 'usakI' dRSTi hotI hai aura jaisI dRSTi hotI hai vaisA bAhara saba tarafa dikhatA hai| 'yaha hamArA duzmana aura yaha hamArA mitra', khegaa| aba koI mitra yA zatru hai hI nahIM isa jagat meM, lekina usakI dRSTi aisI ho gaI hai, isalie aisA dikhatA hai| praznakartA : jo galata cIz2a hai, vaha tyAga denI caahie| dhIre-dhIre itanA prayatna kareM to farka par3atA jAtA hai| ___dAdAzrI : agara mokSa meM jAnA ho to galata-sahI kA dvaMdva nikAla denA pdd'egaa| aura yadi zubha meM AnA ho to galata vastu para dveSa karo, tiraskAra karo aura acchI vastu para rAga karo, jaba ki zuddha meM sahI-galata donoM para rAga- dveSa nahIM rakhanA hai| kyoMki vastu acchI-burI hai hI nahIM, yaha to dRSTi kI malinatA hai| yaha acchI dikhatI hai aura yaha qharAba dikhatI hai, vahI dRSTi kI malinatA hai aura vahI mithyAtva hai| yAnI ki dRSTiviSa khatma ho jAnA caahie| vaha dRSTiviSa hama nikAla dete haiN| vaha dRSTiviSa calA jAe, phira AtmA kA lakSya prApta kiyA jA sakatA hai, varnA AtmA kA lakSya prApta karanA kyA koI aisI-vaisI bAta hai! aura vItarAgatA AnI

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296 AptavANI-8 cAhie, rAga-dveSa hone hI nahIM caahie| rAga-dveSa baMda karane kI prekTisa karane se ve baMda nahIM hote| unheM baMda karane kI prekTisa karate raheM aura rAga-dveSa baMda ho jAe~, aisA kabhI hogA nhiiN| vItarAga, vaha to dRSTi hai! abhI ApakI yaha dRSTi rAga-dveSavAlI hai, aura hamArI vItarAga dRSTi hai| yAnI ki sirpha dRSTi kA farka hai| pUrA dRSTi kA hI farka hai| aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' AsAnI se isa dRSTi ko badala dete haiM! usake bAda mukti kA anubhava hotA hai! dRSTi badale binA sabakucha vyartha praznakartA : maiM yaha pUcha rahA thA ki dRSTi miTe lekina vRtti rahe to usakA kyA? dAdAzrI : dRSTi kisa taraha se miTegI? nahIM, koI aisA rAstA nahIM hai ki dRSTi mitte| vRtti miTa sakatI hai, lekina dRSTi nahIM miTa sktii| dRSTi ke kAraNa to yaha pUrA jagat ulaTa-palaTa ho gayA hai! kauna-sI dRSTi? taba kahe, 'ulTI dRSTi / ' 'jaisA hai vaisA' dikhatA nahIM hai| isalie phira 'use' jaisA dikhatA hai, usameM vaha' tanmayAkAra rahatA hai| vRttiyA~ to sabhI TUTa jAtI haiM aura phira naI vRttiyA~ AtI haiM, lekina jaba taka dRSTi nahIM badalatI na, taba taka vRttiyA~ badalatI rahatI hai| isalie kucha fAyadA nahIM huA hai| are! sAdhu bane, khAnA, khaTTA-mIThA kucha bhI yAda hI nahIM Ae, ve sabhI vRttiyA~ TUTa jAe~, phira bhI dRSTi badale binA kucha bhI nahIM ho paataa| apane yahA~ aise kitane hI saMta haiM ki jinake pAsa hama baiTheM na, to are vAha...apane mana meM ekadama AnaMda ho jAtA hai! taba hameM aisA lagatA hai ki are vAha! ye saMta kaise hoMge? kyoMki barpha kA svabhAva hai ki hara eka ko ThaMDaka detA hI hai| aba ve saMta ThaMDaka deMge usase Apa aisA nahIM samajheMge ki yahA~ para kucha hai? jaba ki maiM kahU~gA ki vahA~ para kucha bhI nahIM hai| kyoMki ve vRttiyoM ko mArate rahe haiN| una vRttiyoM ko mArA isalie sthiratA ho gaI, aura sthiratA ho gaI, isalie ve logoM ko helpaphula rahate haiM, lekina unheM to phira se asthira karanA par3egA, tabhI kAma hogaa| aba duniyA ko yaha saba kisa taraha se patA cale?

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AptavANI-8 297 praznakartA : lekina usase dRSTi badalatI hai kyA? dAdAzrI : dRSTi nahIM badalatI, vRttiyA~ vagairaha badalatI haiN| eka hada taka kA ahaMkAra aura usa prakAra kI vRttiyoM ko chor3akara anya sabhI vRttiyoM ko khatma kara deM, usa taraha ke prayogavAle yahA~ haiN| aura ve jaba aise baiThe hote haiM na, to AsapAsa kA vAtAvaraNa kitanA suMdara lagatA hai, vaha bhI maiMne dekhA hai phir| phira bhI maiMne patA lagAyA ki yahA~ para kucha mAla nahIM hai| jJAna kI bAta pUche to patA cala jAtA hai| praznakartA : nahIM hI hogA na? dAdAzrI : to jahA~ para jJAna nahIM hai, vahA~ para adhyAtma bhI nahIM hai| ye to saba Adhibhautika mArga hai| pahale ke kAla meM AdhyAtmika mArga the| abhI to loga 'jo adhyAtma nahIM hai', use adhyAtma kahate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA, ve yadi aisA svIkAra leM ki maiM to korA kAg2az2a hU~, klIna sleTa huuN| dAdAzrI : svIkAra leM to bahuta acchA hai, aklamaMdI kI bAta hai| praznakartA : phira to unakI dRSTi bhI badala jAegI? dAdAzrI : z2arUra badalegI, lekina dRSTi ko badalavAnevAle hone caahie| apane Apa dRSTi nahIM badala skeNge| anAdi se yaha vyavahAra calatA AyA hai ki dRSTi badalavAnevAle hone caahie| dRSTi badale, tabhI se ApakI sRSTi badalI huI lagatI hai, isIko dRSTi badalanA kahA jAtA hai| yadi sRSTi nahIM badale to dRSTi badalI huI kahalAegI hI kaise? nahIM to jaisI dRSTi vaisI sRSTi Akara rahatI hai| jJAnI kRpA se badale dRSTi praznakartA : yAnI mukhyataH aMtarmukha dRSTi honI cAhie? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, kitane hI loga to aMdara dekhate rahate haiN| are, aMdara to kucha bhI nahIM hai| aMdara to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke dikhAne ke

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298 AptavANI-8 bAda hI dikhatA hai, varnA aMdara to aise A~kha mIMcakara striyA~ vagairaha dikhatI haiN| praznakartA : yAnI aMtarmukha hone ke lie kisI sahAre kI z2arUrata par3atI hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to kRpA ho, taba aMtarmukha huA jAtA hai| kRpA ke binA aMtarmukha kisa taraha se ho sakegA? varnA logoM ko aMdara kArakhAne dikhate haiM, aura kitanI hI kalpanAe~ dikhatI haiN| praznakartA : vaha kRpA kaba hotI hai? dAdAzrI : kRpA to 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke darzana kare, unakA vinaya kare, unakI AjJA meM rahe, taba kRpA milatI hai| bAkI vaha kRpA kyA yoM hI milatI hogI? yA phira kyA virodhI banane se kRpA milegI? aise koI virodha kare to bhI 'jJAnIpuruSa' ko koI Apatti nahIM hai, lekina virodha karanevAle ko kitanA adhika nukasAna hogA! hameM to gAlI de to bhI Apatti nahIM hai| lekina isase ApakI kyA dazA hogI? isalie hama Apako samajhAte haiM ki sIdhe rho| sA~pa bila meM ghusate samaya sIdhA calatA hai? Ter3hA nahIM calatA? usa ghar3I vaha sIdhA ho jAtA hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : vaise hI yahA~ para 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke sAmane sIdhA ho jAnA hai| yahA~ para Ter3hApana nahIM clegaa| yahA~ para to AjJA meM rahanA caahie| kyoMki aise 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke to darzana hI karane ko nahIM milte| indriyoM kA aMtaramukha yA AtmArUpa honA? praznakartA : lekina yaha jo pA~ca indriyoM ke bAre meM batAyA hai, ki yaha saba bAhya vyApAra hai, to kyA ina indriyoM ko aMtarmukha karanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : nahIM, inheM aMtarmukha to pahale bahuta dinoM taka kiyA hai| kyoMki aMtarmukha karatA hai na, itane meM to ve bAhara calI jAtI haiM

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AptavANI-8 phira se| bAhyamukhI mAla milA ki ve bAhara calI jAtI haiM, dera hI nahIM lagatI na! aura ye indriyA~ to, kabhI bhI kisIkI bhI caina se baiThI hI nahIM haiN| aura yaha indriyoM kA tAlAba to kisIkA bhI ba~dha nahIM pAyA hai / lekina isake bAvajUda ve khAnA khA gae aura phira kahate haiM ki sadA upavAsI haiN| ve kauna? I 299 praznakartA : durvaasaa| dAdAzrI : hA~, aura kRSNa bhagavAna ke lie kyA kahA hai ki sadA brhmcaarii| kyoMki mUla sthiti meM Ane ke bAda koI cIz2a unheM sparza nahIM kara sktii| arthAt indriyoM ko to bhale hI abhimukha karo yA aura kucha karo yA sanmukha karo, vaha sabhI kucha, vaha to eka taraha kI kasarata hai / usase zarIra acchA rahatA hai, mana z2arA acchA rahatA hai, lekina 'apanA' kAma nahIM ho paataa| aisA hai, yadi hama yahA~ se Age ke sTezana kA rAstA nahIM jAnate hoM, taba taka ghUmate raheM, usase kyA sTezana prApta ho jAegA? isake lie kisIse pUchanA to par3egA hI na? isa ajJAna ke kAraNa hI kucha bhI kAma nahIM ho paataa| 'khuda kauna hai aura kisase ba~dhA huA hai' aisA saba jJAnIpuruSa se jAna lenA caahie| ... ve sabhI mikenikala eDajasTamenTa praznakartA : aba aMtaramukha dazA meM hameM aMdara se koI javAba detA hai ki, 'yaha tU galata kara rahA hai aura aisA saba', to vaha AtmA kahatA hai ? dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA nahIM hai, vaha to 'TeparikArDa' hai / yaha bAhara jaisA 'TeparikArDa' hai, vaisA hI aMdara 'orIjinala TeparikArDa ' hai / Apa use AtmA kahate ho? bar3e - bar3e oNphisara bhI kahate haiM ki, 'merA AtmA bola rahA hai|' are, kyA vaha AtmA hai? vaha to 'TeparikArDa' hai| praznakartA : agara AtmA nahIM bola rahA hai, to aisA kauna kahatA hai ki 'yaha tU galata kara rahA hai'?

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300 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : vaha 'TeparikArDa' hai| jo vyavahArika jJAna Apane jAnA, vaha vyavahArika jJAna AtmA nahIM hai| nizcaya jJAna, vaha AtmA hai| Apane jo vyavahArika jJAna jAnA, vaha to 'TeparikArDa' huA thA, usakI Apako AvAz2a sunAI detI hai| isalie Apako khaTakatA rahatA hai ki, 'vyavahAra meM aisA honA cAhie aura yaha to hama ulTA kara rahe haiN|' ata: vaha AtmA nahIM hai| bAkI, AtmA to bola nahIM sakatA, khA nahIM sakatA, pI nahIM sakatA, AtmA zvAsa nahIM le sktaa| yaha saba AtmA kA kAma nahIM hai, AtmA kA aisA dhaMdhA hI nahIM hai| AtmA ke guNadharma alaga haiN| jaise ki isa aMgUThI ke aMdara sonA aura tAMbA, donoM mile hue hote haiM, aura unheM agara alaga karanA ho to kise denA par3egA? praznakartA : sunAra ko| dAdAzrI : haaN| kyoMki sunAra usakA jAnakAra hai| usI taraha isa deha ke aMdara AtmA aura anAtmA, ye do vibhAga haiN| jo AtmA ke aura anAtmA ke guNadharma ko jAnate haiM, ve unheM alaga kara dete haiM, pUrI 'leboreTarI' rakhakara alaga kara dete haiN| yaha to sArA 'mikenikala eDajasTamenTa' hai| yaha jo bolate haiM, yaha sArA 'rikArDa' hai| sunanevAle ko kyA kahate haiM? 'risIvara' kahate haiM na! arthAt ye saba 'mikenikala eDajasTamenTasa' hI haiN| ye A~kheM bhI 'mikenikala eDajasTamenTa' haiN| dimAga pUrA hI 'mikenikala' hai, sira para ThaMDA pAnI DAleM, taba sIdhA rahatA hai| nahIM to jaba dimAg2a garama ho jAtA hai aura bahuta tapa jAtA hai, taba pAnI kI paTTI rakhanI par3atI hai na, yA nahIM rakhanI par3atI? yaha to aMdara kitanA bar3A AtmA bhagavAna kI taraha baiThA huA hai, phira bhI dekho pAnI kI paTTI rakhane kA samaya AyA, lekina paTTI rakhanI par3atI hai, tabhI aMdara ThaMDA ho pAtA hai, nahIM to, aMdara bhI ubalatA rahatA hai| jaba taka ajJAna hai, taba taka AtmA vedaka hai aura jo vedanA hotI

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AptavANI-8 301 hai use khuda svIkAra kara letA hai ki 'mujhe vedanA ho rahI hai|' yaha sArA to 'mikenikala eDajasTamenTa' hai| isameM kucha limiTa taka vedanA ho, taba taka AtmA aMdara rahatA hai| aura bahuta vedanA ho, jabaradasta vedanA ho to behoza ho jAtA hai aura usase bhI bhayaMkara vedanA ho to AtmA bAhara nikala jAtA hai| ___seTha ko kyA huA thA' pUche to kaheMge, 'phela ho ge|' are, 'skUla' meM to ve pAsa hote the na ! lekina yahA~ para 'phela' ho ge| yaha to sArA 'mikenikala eDajasTamenTa' hai| aura aMdara joradAra ghabarAhaTa ho to AtmA nikala jAtA hai| use 'hArTa aTaika' kahate haiM na? vaha 'faujI aTaika' to alaga hai aura yaha 'aTaika' alg| to isa 'aTaika' meM to AtmA hI pUrA bAhara nikala jAtA hai| hindustAna meM logoM kI aisI dazA to hotI hogI? jo bhI niyama haiM, unake viruddha cale, isalie yaha dazA utpanna huI hai| sabhI asaroM kA kAraNa ahaMkAra hI praznakartA : jaba zarIra ko duHkha hotA hai, taba kyA jIva ko du:kha hotA hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, jaba zarIra ko duHkha hotA hai taba jIva ko duHkha hotA hai| kyoMki isa zarIra ko vaha jIva 'merA hai' aisA mAnatA hai aura phira 'maiM hI hU~ yaha' aisA kahatA hai, isalie use asara hue bagaira rahatA hI nhiiN| __ aba jise 'yaha' jJAna hai, usa para mana kA aura vANI kA, ye donoM asara nahIM hote| deha kA asara to usa para bhI hotA hai| abhI dAr3ha duHkha rahI ho na, to jJAnI ko bhI asara hotA hai! ataH isa baoNDI meM iphekTiva cetana hai| lekina 'jJAna' hai isalie kaoNz2ez2a utpanna nahIM karate ve| usakA hisAba samabhAva se, zAMti se cukA dete haiN| praznakartA : to phira AtmA nikala jAne ke bAda zarIra ko duHkha kyoM nahIM hotA?

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302 AptavANI-8 dAdAzrI : phira zarIra ko du:kha kisa taraha se hogA? isa samaya abhI to isameM ahaMkAra hai| isa zarIra ko 'maiM hU~ aura merA hai' aise kahatA hai| aura vahI yaha saba du:kha bhoga rahA hai, yAnI ki ahaMkAra kA hI hai yaha sb| praznakartA : lekina ahaMkAra to jar3a hai| dAdAzrI : ahaMkAra jar3a nahIM hai, vaha mizracetana hai| praznakartA : mizracetana kA matalaba kyA hai, vaha samajha meM nahIM aayaa| dAdAzrI : mizracetana arthAt cetana ke bhAva isake aMdara par3e hue haiN| ve cetana ke bhAva aura yaha jar3a donoM milakara, miksacara bana gayA hai, isalie mizracetana kahalAtA hai| aura mana, vaha jar3a hai| mana meM vicAra Ate haiM, ve sabhI jar3a haiN| lekina ahaMkAra mizracetana hai| yaha zarIra, vaha to jar3a hai, lekina mizracetana kA thor3A-sA sparza hotA hai, isalie usa para asara hotA hai| mUla AtmA ke alAvA dUsarA bhI eka bhAga hai| mUla AtmA ko to jagat jAnatA hI nhiiN| yaha jo dikhAI detA hai, use hI cetana mAnate haiN| jagat jise cetana mAnatA hai usameM z2arA-sA bhI cetana nahIM hai, eka aMza bhI cetana nahIM hai, 'gilaTa' karane jitanA cetana bhI usameM nahIM hai, isIko mAyA kahate haiM na! jo cetana nahIM hai, phira bhI cetana hai aisA manavAtI hai, vahI bhagavAna kI mAyA! aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' ne isa mAyA ko 'solva' kara diyA hotA hai| praznakartA : 'merI mAyA badalI jA sake aisI nahIM hai, bahuta muzkila hai' aisA bhagavAna ne kahA hai na! dAdAzrI : itanI adhika muzkila hai ki vaha mAyA hilatI hI nhiiN| taba phira chUTegI hI kaise? sirpha 'jJAnIpuruSa' hI isa mAyA se mukta karavA sakate haiN| kyoMki ve khuda isa mAyA se mukta ho cuke haiM isalie

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AptavANI-8 303 mAyA se mukta kara dete haiM, nahIM to yaha mAyA jAe hI nahIM na! zuddhatA kI zaMkA kA zamana kisa taraha? praznakartA : pudgala aura AtmA jaba alaga hote haiM, taba mukta hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : pudgala ko kucha lenA-denA nahIM hai| jaba AtmA khuda kA svarUpa samajha le, usakA bhAna ho jAe, taba prakaTa hotA hai, aura use cakha liyA to kAma ho jAtA hai| yAnI ki AtmA kA aura pudgala kA lenAdenA nahIM hai| ye 'caMdabhAI' to AtmA se bAhara haiN| AtmA se to kitane hI dUra gae, taba 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA bolate haiN| pUre saMsArakAla meM AtmA, AtmA hI rahA hai aura kiMcit mAtra bhI calA nahIM hai| TheTha aMta meM jaba mokSa meM jAne kA samaya AtA hai na, taba bhI gatisahAyaka tatva use le jAtA hai| usameM AtmA, AtmA hI rahatA hai| merA kahanA yaha hai ki AtmA ko kucha ar3acana nahIM par3a sakatI, aisA yaha saMsArakAla hai| lekina vaha to aMdara ahaMkAra khar3A ho jAtA hai, vahI sabakucha vedatA hai, zAtA (sukha pariNAma) kA vedana karatA hai aura azAtA (duHkha pariNAma) kA bhI vedana karatA hai| isa vedana se hI utpanna ho gayA hai yaha sb| roMga bilIfa utpanna ho gaI hai| AtmA badalA nahIM hai, AtmA bigar3A nahIM hai| yahA~ para hama usakI bhrAMti ko khatma kara dete haiM aura AtmA to saMpUrNa hI de dete haiN|' koI pUche ki, 'ajJAnI kA AtmA mahAvIra bhagavAna jaisA hI hai?' hA~! dravya, guNa, paryAya se sarvathA vaisA hI hai| lekina jaba taka usakA ahaMkAra jAtA nahIM, taba taka niHzaMkatA utpanna nahIM hotI na! kyoMki zaMkA karanevAlA ahaMkAra hI hai| ataH jaba taka yaha ahaMkAra hai, taba taka koI jIva niHzaMka ho hI nahIM sakatA aura usakI zaMkA jAtI nhiiN| 'jJAnIpuruSa' ke binA kisIkI zaMkA nahIM jA sktii| jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' zaMkA ko nirmUla kara dete haiM, taba vaha ni:zaMka ho jAtA hai|

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304 AptavANI-8 darzana badalA, AtmA nahIM praznakartA : to phira AtmA para dUsare tatva asara kara sakate haiM? dAdAzrI : karate hI haiM na! ye saba dUsare tatvoM ne hI asara kiyA hai na! jaba yahA~ se khuda siddhakSetra meM jAtA hai ki jahA~ anya tatva nahIM haiM, taba vahA~ usa para koI asara nahIM hotaa| jaba taka dUsare sabhI tatva haiM, taba taka asara hotA rahatA hai| lekina 'jJAnIpuruSa' dvArA use asara mukta kara deM, usake bAda 'vaha' mokSa meM calA jAtA hai| phira bhI pUre vyavahArakAla meM 'AtmA' z2arA-sA bhI nahIM bigar3A hai| sirpha, jo bhrAMti par3a gaI hai, jo darzana ulTA ho gayA hai, vaha darzana 'jJAnIpuruSa' sIdhA kara dete haiM, isalie 'vaha' asaramukta ho jAtA hai aura phira mokSa meM calA jAtA hai| aba yaha darzana ulTA kisa taraha se ho gayA hai? uttara pradeza meM jAe~, to vahA~ para baMdara bahuta hote haiN| unheM pakar3ane ke lie ye loga kyA karate haiM? eka sakar3e mu~ha ke ghar3e meM cane DAlakara use per3a ke nIce rakha Ate haiN| usake bAda cane lene ke lie baMdara per3a para se nIce utarate haiM aura cane lene ke lie ghar3e meM hAtha DAlate haiN| vaha cane lete samaya hAtha dhIre se dabAkara DAlatA hai, lekina cane lie aura muTThI banAI, isalie phira hAtha bAhara nahIM nikltaa| phira cIkha-cillAhaTa macA detA hai| phira bhI vaha baMda muTThI nahIM chodd'taa| vaha kyA samajhatA hai? ki mujhe aMdara se kisIne pakar3a liyA hai, aisA use lagatA hai| jaba aMdara hAtha DAlA thA, taba maiMne DAlA thA, lekina aba yaha nikalatA kyoM nahIM? taba use bhrAMti ho jAtI hai, A~TI (gA~Tha par3a jAe usa taraha se ulajhA huA) par3a jAtI hai ki 'kisIne mujhe pakar3a liyA', isalie cIkha-cillAhaTa macA detA hai, lekina muTThI nahIM chodd'taa| usI taraha ye loga, pUrI duniyA ho-hallA macA detI hai lekina muTThI nahIM chodd'tii| niber3A lAne kA tarIqA anokhA aisA hai, yaha dRSTi to kaisI hai? aise baiThe hoM to hameM eka hI lAiTa ke badale do lAiTa dikhatI haiN| A~kha z2arA aisI ho jAe to do dikhatI

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AptavANI-8 305 haiM yA nahIM dikhatIM? aba vAstava meM to eka hI hai| phira bhI do dikhatI haiN| hama pleTa meM cAya pI rahe hoM, to kaI bAra pleTa ke aMdara jo sarkala hotA hai na, vaha do-do dikhate haiN| isakA kyA kAraNa hai? ki do A~kheM haiM, isalie sabakucha Dabala dikhatA hai| ye A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiM aura ve aMdaravAlI A~kheM bhI dekhatI haiN| lekina vaha mithyAdRSTi hai| isalie aisA sabakucha ulTA dikhAtI hai| agara sIdhA dikhAe to sabhI upAdhiyoM se rahita ho jAe, sarva upAdhi rahita ho jaae| vItarAga vijJAna aisA hai ki sarva daHkhoM kA kSaya karanevAlA hai, yaha vijJAna hI aisA hai ki sarva du:khoM se mukta kara detA hai| aura 'vijJAna' hotA hI aisA hai, vijJAna hamezA kriyAkArI hotA hai| ataH isa vijJAna ko jAnane ke bAda vijJAna hI kAma karatA rahatA hai, Apako kucha bhI karanA nahIM pdd'taa| jaba taka Apako karanA par3atA hai, taba taka buddhi hai aura jaba taka buddhi hai taba taka ahaMkAra hai aura ahaMkAra hai, taba taka isakA niber3A lAnA ho to bhI nahIM aaegaa| praznakartA : isa dRSTi ko badalane kI zurUAta kisa taraha se ho sakatI hai? dAdAzrI : dRSTi badalane kI zurUAta to, jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' mila jAe~ aura unake pAsa satsaMga sunane Ao to ApakI dRSTi dhIre-dhIre badala jaaegii| abhI Apa suna rahe ho to thor3I-thor3I ApakI dRSTi badala rahI hai| aise karate-karate thor3A paricaya ho jAe, ekAdha mahIne, do mahInoM kA, to dRSTi bdlegii| aura nahIM to 'jJAnIpuruSa' se kaho, 'sAhaba, merI dRSTi badala diijie|' to eka dina meM, eka ghaMTe meM hI badala deNge| _ 'jJAna' to kare opana 'haqIqata' yaha to bhrAMti kI A~TI par3a gaI hai| bAkI, AtmA ko kucha bhI huA nahIM hai| AtmA jaisA hai vaisA hI hai| usa para sirpha AvaraNa kI A~TI par3a gaI hai aura usase 'igoiz2ama' paidA ho gayA hai| phira sabhI kA,pUrA 'igoiz2ama' sabhI cIz2oM kA kartA-bhoktA banatA hai, vaha duHkha bhI bhogatA hai aura sukha bhI vahI bhogatA hai|

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306 AptavANI-8 yaha to buddhizAliyoM ko buddhi se aisA bhAsita hotA hai ki AtmA kucha karatA hai, isalie vaha bhogatA hai| aba, pUrA hI jagat buddhi ke adhIna hai| kyoMki jaba taka 'maiM' hai, ahaMkAra hai, taba taka buddhi ke adhIna hai, taba taka buddhi ke 'zrU' dekhatA rahatA hai| ataH satya vastu kA nirIkSaNa nahIM ho paataa| bAkI, 'ekjekTa' jJAna ko jagat meM jJAnI khulA nahIM karate, phira bhI hama khulA batA dete haiM isa duniyA ko ki 'ekjekTa' jJAna se jAnanA ho to 'AtmA ne aisA kucha kiyA hI nahIM hai'| yaha jo dikhatA hai na, vaisA kucha bhI huA hI nahIM hai| yaha to sirpha bilIfa hI roMga hai| ataH 'roMga bilIfa' yadi kabhI koI badala de, to vApasa jaisA thA, vaise kA vaisA hI ho jaaegaa| AtmA kA koI bhI bhAga bigar3A hI nahIM hai, use koI bhI parezAnI AI hI nhiiN| jo 'bilIfa roMga' huI hai, usa bilIfa ko koI pUrA palaTa de to vApasa jaisA thA, vaise kA vaisA hI ho jAegA, khuda ke svarUpa meM A jAegA aura khuda kI zaktiyA~ vikasita ho jaaeNgii| mAtra bilIfa badala gaI hai| bAkI, AtmA aisA-vaisA kucha karatA hI nhiiN| AtmA to paramAtmA hI hai| AtmA meM aisA eka bhI 'karane kA' guNa hotA na, to vaha sAMsArikatA se kabhI bhI mukta hI nahIM ho paataa| AtmA khuda nirlepa hI hai, asaMga hI hai, lekina yadi samajha meM A jAe to, nahIM to bhagavAna kI bAta Apako samajha meM nahIM aaegii| aisA hai, sunanevAle buddhizAlI aura bolanevAle jJAnI, aba ina donoM kA mela kisa taraha baiThegA? sunanevAlA buddhizAlI hai, vaha buddhi ke nApa se nApatA hai, jaba ki jJAnI to jJAnI ke nApa se bolate haiN| vaha ina taka pahu~cegA kisa taraha? phira saba apanI-apanI bhASA meM samajha jAte haiN| yaha to sirpha 'roMga bilIfa' hI baiTha gaI hai| vAstava meM 'ekjekTalI phigara' dekhane jAe~ to AtmA ko pUrI saMsAradazA meM 'roMga bilIfa' hI thI, aura kucha bhI nhiiN| yaha 'roMga bilIfa' nikala gaI to bAkI kucha huA hI nahIM hai| karma AtmA ko nahIM cipkte| 'roMga bilIfa' se prakRti utpanna ho gaI hai| abhI zIze ke sAmane Apa jAo to zIze se kyA Apako kahanA

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AptavANI-8 par3atA hai ki merA ceharA batA? kucha kahanA nahIM par3atA na? aisA kyoM? aura phira bhI vaha 'ekz2ekTa' ceharA dikhAtA hai na? binA kisI kamI yA qharAbIvAlA dikhAtA hai na? aba zIze kA yaha prayoga hara roz2a kA ho gayA hai, isalie isakI qImata mahasUsa nahIM hotI / bAkI, isakI qImata bahuta hI samajhane jaisI hai / I 307 abhI ghara meM ApakI parachAI dikhatI hai ? nahIM / aura bAhara rAste para nikaloge to parachAI par3egI / usake bAda phira Apa agara aise ghUmoge to bhI parachAI par3egI aura Apa vaise ghUmoge to bhI parachAI pdd'egii| usa parachAI ko banAne meM kitanA samaya lagatA haiM? ata: 'oNnlI sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' hai yaha jagat / kucha bhI huA nahIM hai, kucha bhI banA nahIM hai / jagat to 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' hI hai| isameM bhagavAna ko kucha bhI nahIM karanA pdd'aa| yaha prakRti utpanna hotI hai, vaha bhI 'sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDansa' se hai aura prakRti iphekTiva hai| ye mana-vacanakAyA iphekTiva haiM, aura usa iphekTiva kA 'AtmA' para asara hotA hai| kyoMki 'khuda' kI ' roMga bilIfa' baiThI huI hai| 'jJAnIpuruSa' usa 'roMga bilIfa' ko badala dete haiM, phira 'usa' para yaha saba asara nahIM hotA / saMsArakAla meM, amala ajJAnatA kA hI praznakartA : to caitanya agara zuddha ho jAe, to vApasa use AnA par3egA? dAdAzrI : AnA hI nahIM par3egA na ! eka bAra zuddhatA meM A gayA ki ahaMkAra gayA, bAda meM phira AnA hI nahIM pdd'egaa| jaba taka ahaMkAra hai, taba taka bIja DAlatA hai ki 'maiMne kiyA' aura usameM se vApasa ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai| jaba taka 'maiMne kiyA' aisA mAnatA hai, taba taka vApasa ahaMkAra utpanna hotA hai / praznakartA : to AtmA pahale se hI azuddha hI honA cAhie? dAdAzrI : nahIM, AtmA zuddha hI hai /

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308 AptavANI-8 praznakartA : to phira AtmA azuddha huA hI kaise? dAdAzrI : vaha to logoM ne 'zAMti, zAMti' kahA na! ye loga ajJAnatA kA pradAna karate haiM na, usase darzana badala jAtA hai| pUrA darzana palaTa jAtA hai, usakA amala (prabhAva) hai| jaise ki abhI eka seTha haiM, ve pUre dina acchI taraha bAte karate haiN,| nyAya-nIti kI kaisI saba bAteM karate haiN| yoM to vinayavAle, lekina agara AdhA sera dArU pI jAe~ to kyA hogA? praznakartA : phira pAgalapana chA jaaegaa| dAdAzrI : to kyA seTha bigar3a gae? nahIM, yaha to dArU kA amala hai| vaise hI yaha ajJAna kA amala ho gayA hai| praznakartA : hama yadi zuddha the kisI samaya, to malina hue hI kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : ve seTha abhI acchI taraha se baiThe the, usake bAda AdhA sera pI lI to malina kisa taraha se ho gae? vahI ke vahI seTha phira kucha bhI bolane lgeN| 'maiM sayAjIrAva mahArAja hU~' aisA-vaisA bolane lageM, tabhI se hama nahIM samajha jAe~ge ki seTha ko car3ha gaI hai? praznakartA : lekina pahale to zuddha thA na? to usameM itanI bhI zakti nahIM thI, to phira se vaha azuddha kaise ho gayA? dAdAzrI : zuddha hI hai, abhI bhI zuddha hI hai, kucha bhI huA hI nahIM hai| yaha to amala hai| amala khatma ho jAe to kucha huA hI nahIM hai| to kala caMdUbhAI the aura dUsare dina amala utara gayA yAnI zuddha hI ho ge| dUsare dina eka hI ghaMTe meM zuddha ho gae, AtmA agara azuddha ho jAtA to eka ghaMTe meM zuddha kisa taraha se ho pAegA? yaha to jisa taraha seTha dArU pIkara bolatA hai na, vaise hI yaha nazA car3hA hai, amala hai| isalie 'ise' 'maiM caMdUbhAI, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisA nazA car3ha gayA hai, 'roMga bilIfa' baiTha gaI hai!

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AptavANI-8 309 praznakartA : Apane kahA, AtmA zuddha hI thaa| to usake bajAya kisI anya azuddha zakti kA z2ora adhika hai, tabhI AtmA azuddha ho sakegA na? dAdAzrI : AtmA anaMta zaktivAlA hai, usI taraha pudgala bhI anaMta zaktivAlA hai ! yaha pudgala zakti jo hai isane to pUre AtmA ko bA~dha hI diyA hai, chUTane hI nahIM detA ab| yAnI ki jar3a kI bhI anaMta zakti hai| ye aNubama DAle the, vaha nahIM dekhA thA? arthAt jar3a kI bhI anaMta zakti praznakartA : jar3a kI zakti, AtmA kI zakti se agara adhika mAnI jAe to vaha phira se AtmA ko le jAegI? dAdAzrI : phira se matalaba? praznakartA : kyoM? zuddha hone ke bAda phira se azuddhi meM le jAe to? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| zuddha hone ke bAda use kucha bhI sparza hI nahIM krtaa| praznakartA : lekina pahale zuddha to thA hI na? vahI phira azuddha ho gayA thA na? dAdAzrI : mUla svarUpa se zuddha hI hai| lekina yaha jo darzana bigar3a gayA hai na, vaha darzana phira se zuddha ho jAtA hai, isalie phira ahaMkAra khatma ho jAtA hai| praznakartA : merA yahI kahanA hai ki AtmA zuddha thA, nirvikArI thA... dAdAzrI : aura abhI bhI nirvikArI hai| praznakartA : vaha ThIka hai| lekina Apane kahA na ki jar3azakti ne bA~dha diyA hai? dAdAzrI : isakA matalaba kyA hai ki AtmA kI zakti AvRta ho gaI hai aura AvRta huI isalie phira usa zakti kA isa jar3azakti meM

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310 AptavANI-8 miksacara ho gyaa| vaha jar3azakti hI aba Upara car3ha baiThI haiM, usase chUTanA ho to bhI chUTA nahIM jA sktaa| vaha to jJAnI ke pAsa jAe taba chUTatA hai, nahIM to lAkha janmoM taka bhI vaha chUTatA nahIM hai| isake bajAya lohe kI sAMkala hotI to kATakara chUTa jAte, lekina yaha sAMkala to TUTatI nahIM hai na! aura jaise zarAba pIne para usakA amala car3hatA hai, usI taraha yahA~ para ahaMkAra kA amala hai| usase gAr3I calatI rahatI hai| praznakartA : amala bhale hI hai, phira bhI AtmA to zuddha hI rahA hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, AtmA bilkula udAsIna hai| jaba taka 'Apa' 'ahaMkAra' meM ho, taba taka 'AtmA' udAsIna hai| AtmA kA isameM rAga bhI nahIM aura dveSa bhI nahIM hai| vaha to kyA kahatA hai ki 'jaba tujhe anukUla Ae taba mere pAsa aanaa| jaba terA sArA hisAba sApha ho jAe, tujhe jojo acchA lagatA hai vaha saba pUrA ho jAe taba aanaa|' Apako samajha meM AyA na? praznakartA : merA kahane kA matalaba yaha hai ki jaba AtmA zuddha thA, to phira zuddha ko koI azuddha kara hI nahIM sakatA, to yaha azuddha kyoM ho gayA? dAdAzrI : vaha azuddha huA hI nhiiN| sirpha usakI eka zakti, darzanazakti AvRta ho gaI hai| jaise ki ye seTha abhI zuddha hI haiM aura agara dArU pI leM to unakI koI eka zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai, jisase ve ulTAsulTA bolane lagate haiN| usI taraha ye 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' bolate haiN| logoM ne 'Apako' 'caMdUbhAI' kahA aura 'Apane' mAna liyA, isalie eka zakti AvRta ho gii| vaha AvRta huI isalie yaha ulTA huA hai| usakA nazA agara koI utAra de to ThIka ho jaaegaa| isameM aura kyA huA hai bhalA? aura kucha huA hI nahIM hai n| jaisA seTha kA huA hai, vaisA hI ho gayA hai| seTha para AvaraNa AtA hai yA nahIM AtA? sArI samajha AvRta ho jAtI hai na! aisA hI yaha huA hai|

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AptavANI-8 311 praznakartA : isa bAta ko to hama mAna lete haiM, lekina mUla zuddhAtmA jo hai, usakI zakti yadi adhika ho to phira amala kaise car3hegA? dAdAzrI : lekina usakI zakti abhI hai hI nahIM na! abhI mUla AtmA to saMpUrNa udAsIna hai| praznakartA : pahale se hI udAsIna hai? dAdAzrI : vaha hamezA ke lie udAsIna hI hai, vItarAga hI hai| vaha to kyA kahatA hai ki jaba taka 'Apako' yaha saba acchA lagatA hai, taba taka yaha karo aura jaba acchA nahIM lage taba merA nAma yAda karo aura 'jJAnIpuruSa' kA yA koI bhI avalaMbana lekara mere pAsa vApasa A jaanaa| jaba taka bAhara acchA lagatA hai taba taka bhaTako, anukUla ho taba taka ghUmo, varnA vApasa 'khuda ke pAsa A jAo', kahate haiN| itanA hI yadi samajha jAe ki 'seTha zarAba pIte haiM aura unameM badalAva ho jAtA hai' to sabhI praznoM kA solyuzana A jaaegaa| isameM bhI sirpha itanI hI zarAba pilAI hai ki 'tU caMdU hai, caMdU hai / ' aura basa itanI hI zarAba pI, usase 'ApameM' 'ahaMkAra' khar3A ho jAtA hai ki 'maiM caMdU hU~', aisA ahaMkAra phira utpanna hotA hI rahatA hai| yAnI yaha to sArA amala ho gayA hai aura bAta bhI sArI amalavAlI hI karatA hai| naze meM hI sArI bAteM calatI haiM aura usa bAta kA enDa hI nahIM aataa| bAkI, AtmA to saMpUrNa saMsArakAla meM udAsIna hI hai| aba yaha bAta logoM ko kisa taraha samajha meM Ae? eka AdhA sera zarAba pI aura usa seTha meM parivartana ho jAtA hai, to yaha to roz2a kI zarAba hai ! subaha uThA taba se loga zarAba pilAte rahate haiM / loga nahIM kahate ki, 'Ao caMdUbhAI, Ao cNduubhaaii| Apa to hamAre samadhI haiM, Apa inake pati hai, Apa inake mAmA hai, inake cAcA hai' aura phira 'Apa' bhI aisA mAna lete ho| yAnI ki yahI zarAba pI hai aura isase nirA nazA hI car3hatA rahatA hai / yaha zarAba pIkara hI Apa bola rahe ho aura phira kahate ho, 'maiMne zarAba kahA~ pI?' pUrI duniyA yahI zarAba pIkara ghUma rahI hai / yaha to, jaba vaha zarAba

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312 AptavANI -8 (alkohala) bhI pItA hai na, taba loga usakI zarAba ko bhalA-burA kahate haiN| are, usa zarAba ko kyoM bhalA-burA kahate ho ? 'karma kA kartA' kauna? vAstavikatA jAnane ke bAda kucha bhI jAnanA bAkI nahIM rahatA / phira 'khuda' jJAtA-dRSTA, paramAnaMdI aura sAnatana sukha kA svAmI bana jAtA hai, phira koI mAlikIpana nahIM rahatA / aura phira isa saMsAra meM jo sukha dikhate haiM, ve sabhI Aropita sukha haiN| 'AtmA' kI ora to nirA sukha hI hai, lekina 'Apane' bAhara saba jagaha AropaNa kiyA hai ki ina cIz2oM meM sukha hai, isameM sukha hai, isalie usameM 'Apako' sukha milatA hai, lekina sukha unameM nahIM hotA / sukha khuda ke svabhAva meM hai I praznakartA : to isa bhrAMti ko roke kauna? dAdAzrI : isa bhrAMti ko 'jJAnIpuruSa' roka sakate haiM I praznakartA : maiM abhI Apase jJAna lekara jAU~, phira kala jAkara aMdara jo bhrAMti hai, vaha vApasa vahI kA vahI karavAegI na ki, 'nahIM bhAI, tujhe yaha karanA hI cAhie, nahIM to terA kAma nahIM calegA / ' I dAdAzrI : nahIM, aisA nahIM hai / phira to prakAza ho jAegA na ! aisA hai na, ve seTha zAma ko itanI sI hI pIkara baiTha jAe~ to phira kyA kahate haiM ki, 'maiM to falAnA rAjA hU~ / ' aisA kisalie bolatA hai? vaha seTha pAgala ho gayA hai? nahIM! zarAba ke naze ( amala) se use bhrAMti utpanna ho gaI hai| praznakartA : vaha jisa paristhiti meM A gayA hai, usameM use AtmA ne rakhA yA bhrAMti ne rakhA? aura AtmA kyA use kaMTrola nahIM kara sakatA? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko isameM lenA-denA hai hI nahIM / yaha saba to ahaMkAra kA hI hai / jo bhogatA hai, vaha ahaMkAra hI bhogatA hai / yaha duHkha bhogatA hai, vaha bhI ahaMkAra hai aura jo sukha bhogatA hai, vaha bhI ahaMkAra I

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AptavANI-8 313 hai| aura 'ahaMkAra' khatma ho jAe to 'Apa' 'AtmA' ho gae aura mukti ke lAyaka ho ge| ahaMkAra se to yaha pUrA saMsAra khar3A hai aura ahaMkAra se hI rAga-dveSa haiM aura 'ahaMkAra' se hI 'Apa' karma ke kartA ho| jaba 'ahaMkAra' nahIM rahegA, taba 'Apako' karma kA kartApana nahIM rhegaa| abhI 'Apa' karma ke kartA ho, isalie bhoktA ho| 'Apako' yaha kartApana bhrAMti se utpanna hotA hai| jaba taka seTha ne zarAba nahIM pI thI, taba taka kucha bhI ulTA nahIM bola rahe the, lekina jaba se zarAba pI, taba se ulTA-sIdhA bolane lge| aura isameM kisIko gAlI de deM, to vaha karma dArU ke naze meM kiyA kahA jAegA, bhrAMti meM kiyA hai, aisA kahA jaaegaa| lekina phira bhugatanA to par3egA na? vaha phira chor3egA nahIM na? ki Apa to mujhe zarAba pIkara gAliyA~ de rahe the, aise jhagar3A karegA na? isa taraha se ye karma bhugatane par3ate haiN| aura jaba taka 'khuda' karma kA kartA banatA hai, taba vaha 'khuda' karma ko AdhAra detA hai, 'maiM kara rahA huuN'| ahohoho! saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai aura kyA kahatA hai ki 'maiM kara rahA hU~ yaha sb|' isIse ye sAre karma baMdhate haiM aura phira cAroM gatiyoM meM bhaTakatA rahatA hai| jaba 'jJAnI' ke pAsa se bAta ko samajha le, to bhaTakanA baMda ho jaaegaa| azuddhatA kI utpatti kisameM? praznakartA : kitanI hI sAvadhAnI rakhane ke bAvajUda AtmA meM se azuddha paryAya kyoM uThate haiM? dAdAzrI : lekina isase 'Apako' kyA fAyadA? praznakartA : hameM karma baMdhana hotA hai na? dAdAzrI : to 'ApameM' se azuddha paryAya uTheMge to 'Apako' hI baMdhana hogA na! 'AtmA' meM se uThate hI nhiiN| AtmA meM azuddha paryAya hote hI nhiiN| yAnI agara vastusthiti meM bAta ko samajhanA ho to ye azuddha paryAya aura zuddha paryAya vagairaha 'ApameM' hI uThate haiN|

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314 AptavANI-8 Apako mUla haqIqata batA detA huuN| do prakAra ke AtmA haiM, eka mUla AtmA hai aura usa mUla AtmA ke kAraNa utpanna honevAlA dUsarA yaha vyavahAra AtmA hai| mUla AtmA nizcaya AtmA hai, usameM koI parivartana huA hI nahIM hai| vaha jaisA hai vaisA hI hai aura usakI vajaha se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna ho gayA hai| jisa taraha hama zIze ke sAmane jAe~, taba do 'caMdUbhAI' dikhate haiM yA nahIM dikhate? praznakartA : hA~, do dikhate haiN| dAdAzrI : usI taraha yaha vyavahAra AtmA utpanna ho gayA hai| use maiMne 'pratiSThita AtmA' kahA hai| usameM khuda kI pratiSThA kI huI hai, isalie agara abhI bhI 'Apa' pratiSThA karoge, 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~, maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' karoge to phira se agale janma ke lie pratiSThita AtmA khar3A ho jaaegaa| isa vyavahAra ko satya mAnoge to phira se vyavahAra AtmA utpanna hogaa| nizcaya AtmA to vaise kA vaisA hI hai| yadi usakA sparza ho jAe na, to kalyANa ho jAe! abhI to vyavahAra AtmA kA hI sparza hai| yaha to ahaMkAra utpanna ho gayA hai| loga kahate haiM, 'AtmA ko duHkha par3a rahA hai| merA AtmA bigar3a gayA hai|' to bhAI, agara AtmA bigar3A huA hai, to kabhI bhI sudharegA hI nhiiN| jisameM bigar3ane kI zakti hai to vaha vastu sudharegI hI nahIM aura yahA~ para bigar3atA hai to phira vahA~ siddhakSetra meM bhI bigddegaa| AtmA vaisA nahIM hai| AtmA jaisA siddhakSetra meM hai, vaisA hI yahA~ para hai| lekina vaha nizcaya AtmA hai aura vyavahAra AtmA bigar3A huA hai| aba, bigar3A huA vyavahAra hai, usa vyavahAra ko zuddha karanA hai| yadi 'jJAnI' nahIM mile to vyavahAra ko zubha karanA hai aura yadi 'jJAnI' mila jAe~ to zuddha vyavahAra karanA hai| basa, itanA hI karanA hai| yAnI ki AtmA meM se azuddha paryAya uThate hI nhiiN| sabhI azuddha paryAya vyavahAra AtmA meM se haiN| aba ve paryAya to, bahuta hI sUkSma, sUkSmattara avasthA ko paryAya kahate haiN| ye to saba sthUla avasthAe~ hai, azuddha avasthAe~ hai, sthUla avasthAe~ hai| 'maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' yaha avasthA kyA aisI-vaisI hai?

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AptavANI-8 315 'vyavahAra AtmA', ko mAnA gayA 'nizcaya AtmA' praznakartA : vyavahArika AtmA aura nizcaya AtmA, ina donoM ke alaga-alaga guNa haiM? dAdAzrI : ve alaga hI hote haiM na! nizcaya AtmA arthAt mUla aatmaa| praznakartA : isameM AtmA eka hI aura guNa alaga haiM, aisA hai? dAdAzrI : aisA nahIM hai| eka AdamI chiMvAroM kA bar3A aijenTa hai, sabhI loga use kahate haiM 'ye chiMvArevAle seTha haiN|' lekina korTa meM ve vakIla mAne jAte haiN| ve vakAlata kareMge to vakIla mAne jAe~ge na? usI taraha 'Apa' agara vyavahArika kArya meM masta ho to 'Apa' 'vyavahArika AtmA' ho aura nizcaya meM masta ho, to 'Apa' 'nizcaya AtmA' ho| mUla to Apa vahI ke vahI ho lekina kisa kArya meM ho, usa para AdhArita hai| isa taraha vyavahArika AtmA ko ina logoM ne nizcaya AtmA mAna liyaa| bolate z2arUra haiM ki vyavahArika AtmA, lekina unake jJAna meM to use nizcaya AtmA hI samajhate haiN| ve samajhate haiM ki, 'jo AtmA hai vaha yahI AtmA hai aura AtmA nahIM hogA to boleMge kisa taraha? caleMge kisa taraha?' ye calanA-phiranA, bAtacIta karanA, svAdhyAya karanA, maiM par3hatA hU~ aura mujhe yAda rahatA hai, ina saba ke lie kahegA kI 'yahI AtmA hai| dUsarA koI AtmA hai hI nhiiN|' aisA vaha samajhatA hai| jaba ki yaha saba to AtmA kI parachAI hI hai| isa parachAI ko pakar3egA to karor3oM janmoM taka bhI tU mUla AtmA ko nahIM DhU~Dha paaegaa| akrama vijJAna ne to yaha batAyA hai ki parachAI ko kisalie pakar3ate ho? isake bAvajUda bhI kramika mArgavAlI vaha lAina galata nahIM hai| lekina parachAI ko hI AtmA mAnate haiN| AtmA ko AtmA mAno aura parachAI ko parachAI mAno, maiM aisA kahanA cAhatA huuN| praznakartA : mAnyatA meM hI bar3I bhUla huI hai| dAdAzrI : mAnyatA meM bhUla ho jAe to sArI bhUla hI hai| phira bacA hI kyA?

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AptavANI-8 'rUpaka' kI nirjarA, lekina 'bilIfa' se 'baMdha' praznakartA : yAnI ki eka pratiSThita AtmA aura dUsarA zuddhAtmA? dAdAzrI : nizcaya AtmA, vaha zuddhAtmA hai aura jo vyavahAra meM calatA hai, vaha vyavahAra AtmA hai, vaha pratiSThita AtmA hai| kyoMki 'hama' loga hI usakI pratiSThA karate haiN| abhI yadi koI aisA manuSya ho jisane 'jJAna' prApta nahIM kiyA ho aura usakA nAma caMdUlAla ho, to 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~, maiM isakA mAmA hU~, maiM isakA cAcA hU~' vaha jo kucha bola rahe haiM, vaha pahale kA karma hai, usI karma ko rUpaka meM bolate haiN| pahale jo yojanA ke rUpa meM thA na, vaha aba rUpaka meM aayaa| aba rUpaka meM AyA usameM harja nahIM hai, lekina phira se vaise kA vaisA hI usakI zraddhA meM hai, isalie vApasa usakA bIja DalatA hai| to isa prakAra se vaha pratiSThA karatA hai, deha meM hI pratiSThA karatA hai ki, 'yaha maiM huuN|' isalie phira vApasa deha utpanna hotA hai, mUrti utpanna hotI hai| isa prakAra se pratiSThA kara-karake naI mUrti utpanna karatA hai aura purAnI mUrti khatma hotI jAtI hai| aura vaha pratiSThA kI hai, isalie vaha phala detI hI rahatI hai| pratiSThita AtmA kI mAnyatA hI hai, vaha 'roMga bilIfa' utpanna ho gaI hai isalie pratiSThA hI karatA hI rahatA hai| yaha maiM hU~, yaha maiM huuN|' usase pichalI pratiSThA khatma hotI hai aura naI pratiSThA utpanna hotI hai| eka to kahatA hai ki 'maiM caMdUlAla hU~', phira 'isakA mAmA hU~, yaha vicAra mujhe aayaa|' aba pichalI pratiSThA kA Azrava hai| usa Azrava kI phira nirjarA hotI hai| nirjarA hote samaya phira se vaisI hI Diz2Aina gar3hane ke bAda meM nirjarA hotI hai| aba jise yaha jJAna diyA huA ho, vaha kyA kahatA hai ki, 'maiM caMdabhAI hU~ aura isakA mAmA hU~' aisA bolatA hai, vaha pichalI pratiSThA kA hI hai| lekina Aja jJAna hai, isIlie 'vAstava meM maiM caMdUbhAI hU~' aisI zraddhA khatma ho cukI hai, isalie naI pratiSThA nahIM krtaa| isalie vaha saMvara kahalAtA hai, baMdha par3atA nahIM aura use nirjarA hotI rahatI hai| baMdha kise kahate haiM? jahA~ para jJAna nahIM hotA, vahA~ para baMdha par3atA hai| yAnI jaisI hama pratiSThA karate haiM, vaisI hI vApasa phira se pratiSThA utpanna ho jAtI hai|

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AptavANI-8 aba yadi koI vyakti kahe ki, 'corI karanI hI cAhie' aura vaha corI karatA ho, rizvata letA ho, logoM ke sAtha acchI-acchI bAtacIta kare aura kahe ki, 'maiM aisA kara dU~gA, maiM vaisA kara dU~gA, terA sabhI kAma pUrA kara dU~gA / ' aura usase haz2Ara rupaye rizvata letA hai, ye sAre kArya jo karatA hai, vaha pratiSThita AtmA hai / yaha yojanA thI jo rUpaka meM AI hai| vaha jo bAteM karatA hai vaha bhI rUpaka hai, use jo rizvata denevAlA milA vaha bhI rUpaka hai, aura haz2Ara rupaye letA hai vaha bhI rUpaka hai| rizvata letA hai, rizvata lene ke bhAva, usakA vaha 'DisAiDeDa' hai aura vaha bhI rAz2I - khuzI se letA hai / lekina bAda meM agara mana meM bhAva ho, aba isane 'jJAna' nahIM liyA hai, aura yadi ise aisA bhAva ho ki, 'ye saba rizvata lekara bhugatanA to mujhe hI par3egA na? yaha rizvata nahIM lenI cAhie / ' yaha agale janma ke pratiSThita AtmA meM 'rizvata nahIM lenI cAhie', aisI yojanA bana gii| to agale janma meM phira vaha rizvata nahIM legA / Apako samajha meM AtI hai yaha rUparekhA ? 317 aba kucha loga aise haiM jo rizvata nahIM lete| usa vyakti ko usake ghara para usakI patnI kahatI hai, 'ye Apake sAtha meM jo loga par3hate the, una sabane baMgale banavA die, Apa akele hI kirAe ke makAna meM rahate ho / ' taba phira use lagatA hai ki 'yaha to merI bhUla hai yA kyA hai yaha?' vaha khuda ke siddhAMta ko sahI mAnatA hai, use khuda ko zraddhA hai ki merA siddhAMta galata nahIM hai, yaha siddhAMta sukhadAyI hai, yaha saba vaha jAnatA hai| jaba usakI patnI use aisA kahatI hai, taba usake mana meM aisA hotA hai ki, 'rizvata nahIM letA hU~, yaha merI bhUla ho rahI hai / ' taba kubuddhi ghera letI hai ki, 'bhAI, apane ko usakA kAma karanA hI hai, to phira rizvata lene meM kyA harja hai?' usake bAda vaha yaha bhAva karatA hai ki rizvata lenI hI caahie| isalie phira vaha usa vyakti se kahatA hai ki, 'maiM terA kAma kara duuNgaa|' taba vaha AdamI kahatA hai, 'sAhaba, maiM pA~ca sau rupaye duuNgaa|' lekina jaba vaha paise dene AtA hai, taba usase liyA nahIM jAtA, aMdara ghabarAhaTa ho jAtI hai, parezAnI ho jAtI hai| kyoMki pUrva janma meM pratiSThA kI hai ki, 'rizvata lenA galata hai, rizvata lenI hI nahIM cAhie', vaha rizvata nahIM lene detI / vaha

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318 AptavANI-8 usase kahatA z2arUra hai ki tU lekara AnA, lekina jaba vaha paise hAtha meM letA hai, usa ghar3I kA~pa jAtA hai, sparza nahIM honA detaa| yAnI usase eka bhI paisA nahIM liyA jaataa| lekina agale janma ke lie 'rizvata lenI hai', usameM vApasa aisA nayA bIja par3a jAtA hai| isa janma meM kucha bhI liyA nahIM aura agale janma ke lie bIja DAla die| itanI bar3I duniyA meM manuSya kaise-kaise bIja nahIM DAlatA hogA? aura kisa-kisa taraha se pha~satA hogA, usakA kyA patA cale? Apako samajha meM AyA na? siddhAMta hai na? pUrI taraha se saiddhAMtika hai na? praznakartA : haaN| dAdAzrI : apane yahA~ para pA~ca varSa kI yojanA banAte haiM, usameM pahale varSa meM isa taraha se kisa-kisa jagaha para bA~dha banavAne haiM, isa jagaha para aisA karanA hai, isa jagaha para aisA karanA hai', aisA saba taya karate haiN| phira vaha saba kAgaz2a para likhate haiM aura DraoNiMga vagairaha saba kAgaz2a para taiyAra ho jAtA hai| vaha jaba seMkzana ho jAtA hai, taba vaha yojanA rUpaka meM lAnA zurU karate haiM, taba usakA janma ho gayA aisA kahalAtA hai, taba se hI usa yojanA ko AkAra milane lagatA hai| usI taraha se pahale yaha yojanA banatI haiN| eka janma meM vaha yojanA banatI hai, dUsare janma meM AkAra letI hai aura AkAra lete samaya phira se aMdara naI yojanA banatI jAtI hai ki isa anusAra DAlanA cAhie, aisA honA cAhie, aisA cakkara calatA rahatA hai| ataH yaha bahuta saiddhAMtika cIz2a hai| 'pratyakSa' jJAnI hI, 'haqIqata' prakAzita kareM aba aisI bAta pustakoM meM to likhI huI hotI nahIM, taba phira kisa taraha se manuSya vApasa lauTe? pustaka meM to kaisA likhA huA hotA hai, ki kar3hI meM mircI, namaka, haldI, gur3a vagairaha saba ddaalnaa| lekina kauna-kauna-sI cIz2a aura kisa taraha se kitane anupAta meM lenA, aisA to nahIM hotA na? isalie yaha vastu use bhItara samajha meM nahIM AtI na! isa pratiSThita AtmA ko hI pUrI duniyA AtmA mAnakara baiThI hai aura use

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AptavANI-8 319 sthira karanA cAhatI hai| aura vaha bhI galata cIz2a nahIM hai, sthira to karanA hI cAhie aura sthira karane se, use AnaMda milatA hai| jitane samaya taka yaha pratiSThita AtmA sthira rahatA hai utane samaya, rAta ko nIMda meM to sthira ho jAtA hai, lekina dina meM bhI jitane samaya taka sthira rahe, utane samaya taka use AnaMda rahatA hai| lekina vaha AnaMda kaisA hotA hai, ki basa, sthiratA TUTI ki jaisA thA vApasa vaise kA vaisA hI ho jAtA hai| aba yadi sAtha hI vaha aisA jAna le ki mUla AtmA to sthira hI hai, to 'khuda' 'eDajasTamenTa' le skegaa| lekina mUla AtmA kI bAta logoM ko patA hI nahIM hai| isa pratiSThita AtmA ko hI AtmA ke rUpa meM svIkArA gayA hai, jaba ki vAstava meM yaha AtmA nahIM hai| pratiSThita AtmA, vaha pudgala hai, usameM cetana hai hI nhiiN| jisameM jagat cetana mAna baiThA hai, usameM cetana nahIM hai| yaha merI khoja hai| hama khuda dekhakara kaha rahe haiN| aisA zAstroM meM nahIM likhA hai| zAstroM meM to ise 'pratiSThita AtmA' ko sudhArane ko kahA gayA hai| 'sudhArate raho' aisA kahA gayA hai| isakA koI tarIqA to honA cAhie na? sudhArane kI paddhati hotI hai na? jo paddhati zAstroM meM batAI jAtI hai, vaha logoM ko lakSya meM nahIM hai| bahuta sUkSmarUpa se batAI gaI hai| lekina vaha to zabdoM se batAI gaI hai na? yAnI kyA hai ki zabdoM se batAyA gayA ki muMbaI jAo to muMbaI meM aisA hai, yoM hai, vahA~ para jUhU kA kinArA aisA hai, vaisA hai, lekina zabda se hii| usase Apako kyA lAbha huA? ataH zAstra kyA batAte haiM? zabdoM dvArA batAte haiN| vaha anubhava pUrvaka nahIM hai na? zAstroM meM anubhava nahIM samA sakatA na? ataH 'jJAnIpuruSa' kI upasthiti ke binA vaha spaSTa samajha meM nahIM A sktaa| avaktavya anubhava, maulika tatva ke praznakartA : Apako sUrata sTezana kI benca para, 1958 meM jo jJAna huA thA, usa samaya kA anubhava batAie n| dAdAzrI : anubhava to aisA hai na, vaha Apako batA kitanA sakatA

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320 AptavANI -8 hU~? ki mujhe AnaMda huA thA, mujhe jagat vismRta ho gayA thA aura sabakucha dekhA maiMne ki, 'jagat kyA hai, kauna karatA hai, kisa taraha se calatA hai, Apa kauna ho, maiM kauna hU~?' vaha sArA vivaraNa maiMne jaanaa| lekina yaha saba maiM Apako zabdoM dvArA samajhA rahA huuN| lekina mUla vastu to Apa jAna hI nahIM skoge| kyoMki vahA~ para zabda nahIM haiN| vistArapUrvaka vANI meM A nahIM sktaa| yaha to zabda jitane bole jA sakate haiM, utane bAhara ke bhAga kI maiM Apase bAta kara rahA hU~, yaha mUla vastu to nahIM hai na! vaha to Apa cakhoge taba, usa jagaha para Apa pahu~coge, taba Apako patA calegA ki kyA thA ? AtmA sUkSmatama vastu hai, usa AtmA ke jo bAharavAle pradeza haiM, ve sUkSmatara haiM, usa sUkSmatara taka kA hamane vahA~ para sabakucha dekhA hai| aba, vANI sUkSmatara nahIM hai, isalie vahA~ para to vANI baMda ho jAtI hai, vANI ruka jAtI hai sArI / isIlie aisA kahanA par3atA hai ki tU cakha anubhava meN| isIlie anubhava kA kahA hai na ki jAnane se jAnA jA sake aisA nahIM hai, anubhava se jAnA jA sakatA hai / niber3A bhI anubhava se hI hai! AtmA se AtmA kA darzana ? praznakartA : lekina dAdA, aisA kahA gayA hai ki AtmA ko, AtmaniSTha AtmA se AtmA ko dekho, AtmA se AtmA kA darzana kara, isakA kyA matalaba hai? dAdAzrI : 'AtmA se' yAnI ki yaha jise 'vyAvahArika AtmA' mAnA hai na, usIse 'tU' 'AtmA' ko dekha, aisA kahA hai| lekina bIca meM nimitta ko laa| jisane dekhA hai usa nimitta ko lA / ve terA 'eDajasTamenTa' aisA kara deMge, ki jisase tujhe phala milegA / bAkI yoM khuda apane Apa dekhane jAegA to kucha bhI nahIM ho paaegaa| kyoMki tere pAsa indriyagamya dRSTi hI hai na! aura vahA~ para atIndriya kI AvazyakatA hai| jaba taka 'jJAnIpuruSa' indriyagamya dRSTi nahIM chur3avA dete aura atIndriya bhAga de nahIM dete, dRSTi nahIM badala dete, taba taka dikhegA nahIM / ataH 'hama' dRSTi badala dete haiM !

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AptavANI-8 321 sunAra kI dRSTi to zuddhatA para hI yaha jo sone kI aMgUThI hotI hai na, vaha kaI bAra sunAroM ke pAsa jAe to phira vaha sonA milAvaTI ho jAtA hai| loga kaheMge, kyA dekhakara aDThI pahanate ho? yaha sonA to milAvaTI ho gayA hai|' taba hama mana meM socate haiM ki yaha sonA milAvaTI ho gayA hai, aba kyA kareM isakA? to sunAra ke pAsa milAvaTI sonA lekara jAe~ to kyA vaha hameM DA~TegA? ki aisA milAvaTI kyoM kara diyA hai? sunAra kyA aise jhagar3A karatA hai? 'bigAr3a diyA', aisA kahatA hai na? nahIM, sunAra DA~Tane ke lie nahIM baiThA hai! milAvaTI ko zuddha karane ke lie baiThA hai!! pUrA jagat milAvaTI karake hI lAtA hai, usake pAsa! to phira vaha use zuddha karane baiThatA hai| usameM do-cAra rupaye use bhI milate haiN| vaha phira aise ghisatA hai| milAvaTa kitanI hai aisA nahIM dekhatA, dUsarI dhAtue~ kitanI haiM aisA nahIM dikhatA, lekina sonA kitanA hai itanA hI dekhatA hai| yAnI 'tIna rattI sonA hai isameM' khegaa| aura vaha aMgUThI hai 9 rattI kii| yAnI 6 rattI dUsarA azuddha mAla aMdara par3A hai| isalie phira aise kasauTI karatA hai| phira vaha kahatA hai ki, 'lekina mujhe sirpha kasauTI nahIM karavAnI hai, isameM se jitanA sonA nikale na, usameM se mere choTe bacce ke lie aMgUThI banA do|' vaha phira use esiDa meM DAlatA hai| usake jAnakAra karake dete haiM yA nahIM kara dete? praznakartA : jAnakAra kara dete haiN| dAdAzrI : aura agara jAnakAra nahIM ho, aura luhAra ko deM to? luhAra kahegA, 'jA, le jA vApasa, mere pAsa to lohA laanaa| yaha sonA mere pAsa kisalie lAyA hai?' phira agara suthAra ko deM to vaha bhI manA karegA! aba seTha loga ko deM ki, 'bhAI, itanA kara do na!' taba kahegA ki, 'are, sunAra ke pAsa jA, kisI pArakhI ke pAsa jA na, yahA~ para kyA hai?' arthAt yaha jo, AtmA jo azuddha ho cukA hai, use zuddha karanA ho, to 'jJAnI' ke pAsa jAnA caahie| jahA~ para pUrA kArakhAnA hai aura jo jAnate haiM ki AtmA ke

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AptavANI- -8 itane guNa haiM aura anAtmA ke itane guNa haiM / isake itane guNadharma haiM, isa prakAra jo guNadharmasahita jAnate haiM, ve hI alaga kara sakate haiN| bAkI anya koI alaga nahIM kara sakatA / riyala - rileTiva, spaSTIkaraNa vijJAna ke 322 praznakartA : jo kucha bhI samasyAe~ aura prazna hote haiM, ve pratiSThita AtmA ke hI hoMge na? | dAdAzrI : hA~, pratiSThita AtmA kA hI hai sabakucha | hama prakRti ko hI pratiSThita AtmA kahate haiM / lekina agara sirpha prakRti ko hI kaheMge na to logoM ko ThIka se samajha meM nahIM AegA / isalie phira hamane use pratiSThita AtmA kahA hai / pratiSThita AtmA, vaha 'rileTiva AtmA' hai aura dUsarA zuddhAtmA hai / zuddhAtmA, vaha 'riyala AtmA' hai / aura 'rileTiva AtmA', vaha 'mikenikala AtmA' hai, vaha pUraNa (cArja honA) - galana (DiscArja honA) svarUpa hai| Apane yahA~ se bhojana DAlA to subaha saMDAsa meM jAnA par3atA hai / yahA~ para pAnI DAlA to bAtharUma meM jAnA par3atA hai, zvAsa liyA to ucchvAsa hotA rahatA hai, isa taraha pUraNa - galana aura zuddhAtmA, do hI cIjeM haiM ! praznakartA : 'rileTiva AtmA' aura 'riyala AtmA', ina donoM meM kyA farqa hai? dAdAzrI : 'rileTiva AtmA' vaha khuda kI 'roMga bilIfa' se utpanna huA hai| vaha roMga bilIfa phrekcara ho jAegI to khuda 'riyala AtmA' meM A jaaegaa| 'jJAnIpuruSa' sabhI ' roMga bilIfa' phrekcara kara dete haiM aura 'rAiTa bilIfa' sthApita kara dete haiM / ise samyakdarzana kahate haiN| isase phira khuda ke zuddhAtmA kI pratIti baiThatI hai| praznakartA : aham aura pratiSThita AtmA meM koI bheda hai kyA? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| pratiSThita AtmA, vahI ahaMkAra hai / 'hamane' pratiSThA

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AptavANI-8 323 kI isIlie to utpanna huA hai| aura phira se vApasa pratiSThA karatA hI rahatA hai ki 'deha maiM hU~, caMdUbhAI maiM hU~, isa strI kA pati maiM hU~, ina baccoM kA bApa bhI maiM hI hU~, inakA bhAI bhI maiM hI huuN|' aise kitane hI prakAra ke maiM, maiM, maiM, maiM..... jJAnI to sahaja hI siddhAMta prakAzamAna kareM praznakartA : ye saba loga jise AtmA kahate haiM, vaha pratiSThita AtmA ko hI na? dAdAzrI : hA~, pratiSThita AtmA ko hI AtmA mAnate haiN| lekina vaha 'roMga bilIfa' hai| aba yaha use patA hI nahIM hotA na! aura vaha to pratiSThita AtmA ko yahI merA AtmA hai' aisA mAnakara Age bar3hatA hai| moha ke ekaeka paramANu ko kama karate-karate Age bar3hanA, vaha pUrA hI kramika mArga hai| kramika mArga meM pratiSThita AtmA' ko AtmA kahate haiM, yahA~ akrama mArga meM mula AtmA ko AtmA kahate haiN| yAnI ki kramika mArga meM aura akrama mArga meM, donoM meM kahane kI dRSTi meM farka hai| kramika mArga meM ve loga saca hI kahate haiM, usa AtmA meM vedakatA hotI hI hai| yaha vedakatA vagairaha AtmA ke itane guNa haiM' kramika mArga meM aisA kahate haiM, jaba ki apane akrama mArga meM vaha vedakatA aura bAkI kA saba pratiSThita AtmA meM haiM, aisA kahA hai| isa kramika mArga meM, hama jise pratiSThita AtmA kahate haiM, use ve loga vyavahAra AtmA kahate haiM aura usa vyavahAra AtmA ko hI mUla AtmA mAna baiThe haiN| ata: use hI sthira karanA hai, use hI karmarahita karanA hai', aisA mAnate haiN| arthAt yaha AtmA karma se ba~dhA haA hai aura use hI karmarahita karanA hai, aisA mAnate haiN| bAkI, mUla AtmA aisA nahIM hai| mUla AtmA to karma se mukta hI hai| sirpha 'tujhe' isakA bhAna nahIM huA hai, 'tujhe' vaha bhAna ho jAe, usIkI z2arUrata hai| hama kyA kahanA cAhate haiM ki 'tujhe' isakA bhAna nahIM huA hai| tujhe yaha bhrAMti hai| jo 'AtmA' nahIM hai, vahA~ para 'tU' Aropa karatA hai ki yaha 'AtmA' hai aura jahA~ para 'AtmA' hai, vahA~ usakA 'tujhe' bhAna

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AptavANI-8 nahIM hai| isalie 'tU' 'AtmA' ko jAna, to ina sabase 'tU' mukta hI hai| yahI 'ajJAna' nikAlanA hai, nahIM to karor3a janmoM taka bhI 'terA' ajJAna jAegA nahIM / 324 paccIsa prakAra ke moha haiM, ve paccIsa prakAra ke moha cArja hote haiM aura DiscArja hote haiM / DiscArja to niyama se hogA hI aura 'roMga bilIfa' hai, isalie vApasa cArja hotA rahatA hai / apane yahA~ para, hama jJAna dete haiM, phira cArja honA baMda ho jAtA hai aura sirpha DiscArja hI bacatA hai / I isalie 'hamane' yaha nayA zabda 'pratiSThita AtmA', diyA hai| bhagavAna ne logoM ko batAyA thA, lekina logoM ko vaha samajha meM nahIM AyA, isalie hameM yaha pratiSThita AtmA zabda denA par3A, logoM ko unakI khuda kI bhASA meM samajha meM Ae, usa taraha se / aura bhagavAna ne jo kahA hai usa para A~ca nahIM Ae, usa taraha se yaha zabda, 'pratiSThita AtmA' diyA hai| kyoMki Apako ApakI bhASA meM samajha meM AnA cAhie na ? samajha meM nahIM Ae, to Apa kyA karoge phira ? jaga - adhiSThAna, jJAnI ke jJAna meM jagat jisameM se utpanna huA hai aura jisameM laya hotA hai, vaha adhiSThAna kahalAtA hai| to pUchate haiM ki, 'zAstroM meM aisA adhiSThAna kyoM nahIM batAyA?' nahIM, tIrthaMkaroM ne koI bhI vastu bina batAe nahIM rakhI hai / phira yadi Apako nahIM mila pAe to vaha bAta alaga hai| ata: hamane kyA kahA hai? yaha jagat kisameM se utpanna huA hai? taba kahe, yaha saba 'pratiSThita AtmA meM se utpanna huA hai aura usImeM phira laya ho jAtA hai| isameM mUla AtmA ko kucha lenA-denA hai hI nahIM / yAnI ki yaha to sirpha vibhAvika dRSTi hI utpanna huI hai / ' darzana zuddha hone para zuddha meM samAveza eka pratiSThita AtmA aura eka daraasala aatmaa| pratiSThita AtmA 'mikenikala' hai| vaha khAe- pIe tabhI jIvita raha sakatA hai, varnA aise zvAsa

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AptavANI-8 325 baMda kara deM to khatma ho jaaegaa| vaha pratiSThita AtmA jo kucha karatA hai usameM 'Apa' 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA ahaMkAra karate ho, usase phira dUsarA naye janma kA pratiSThita AtmA taiyAra hotA hai| aisA hai na, mUla asala AtmA ko kucha bhI nahIM huA hai| yaha to logoM ne ajJAna kA pradAna kiyA na, isalie sabhI saMskAra utpanna ho gae haiN| janma lete hI loga 'use' 'caMdU, caMdU' karate haiN| aba usa bacce ko to patA bhI nahIM hotA ki ye loga kyA kara rahe haiM? lekina ye loga use saMskAra dete rahate haiN| phira 'vaha' mAna baiThatA hai ki 'maiM caMdU huuN|' phira jaba bar3A hotA hai, taba kahatA hai, 'ye mere mAmA haiM aura ye mere cAcA haiN|' isa taraha se yaha sArA ajJAna pradAna kiyA jAtA hai| usase bhrAMti utpanna ho jAtI hai| isameM hotA kyA hai ki AtmA kI eka zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai, darzana nAma kI zakti AvRta ho jAtI hai| usa darzana nAma kI zakti ke AvRta hone se yaha saba utpanna ho gayA hai| vaha darzana jaba phira se ThIka ho jAtA hai, samyak ho jAtA hai, taba vApasa 'khuda' khuda ke 'mUla svarUpa' meM baiTha jAtA hai| yaha darzana mithyA ho gayA hai aura isalie aisA mAna baiThA hai ki isa bhautika meM hI sukha hai, vaha darzana ThIka ho jAegA to bhautika sukha kI mAnyatA bhI khatma ho jaaegii| aura kucha z2yAdA bigar3A hI nahIM hai, darzana hI bigar3A hai, dRSTi hI bigar3I hai| usa dRSTi ko hama palaTa dete haiN| praznakartA : yAnI ki AtmA ko sirpha bhrAMti hI huI hai? dAdAzrI : AtmA ko bhrAMti nahIM, yaha to sirpha usakA darzana hI AvRta ho gayA hai| mUla AtmA kA jo darzana hai, vaha pUrA darzana hI AvRta ho gayA hai| bAhara ke isa ajJAna pradAna se! janma lete hI ye bAharI loga 'use' ajJAna dete haiN| ve khuda to ajJAnI haiM aura bacce ko bhI ajJAna ke rAste para le jAte haiN| isalie vaha aisA mAna baiThatA hai aura mAna baiThatA hai isalie darzana AvRta ho jAtA hai| darzana AvRta ho jAtA hai isalie kahatA hai ki 'ye mere sasura hai aura ye mere mAmA haiN|' aura maiM kahatA hU~ ki ye sArI roMga bilIpheM haiN|

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326 AptavANI-8 mUlasvarUpa ke bhAna se khuda kA uddhAra praznakartA : arthAt AtmA kA uddhAra AtmA ko khuda ko hI karanA hai, aisA hI huA na? dAdAzrI : AtmA kA uddhAra AtmA ko khuda ko hI karanA hai, isakA matalaba kyA hai ki, AtmA to, jisakA uddhAra ho cukA hai aisI mUla vastu hai, lekina usameM apanA jo mAnA huA AtmA hai, pratiSThita AtmA hai, usakI mAnyatA meM vaha haqIqata nahIM aatii| mUla AtmA kA to uddhAra ho hI cukA hai, lekina pratiSThita AtmA arthAt jo khuda apane Apa ko AtmA mAnatA hai, vahI 'khuda' jaba aisA jAna legA ki, 'merA svarUpa hI aisA hai, aura maiM to jJAna-darzana-cAritramaya hU~', taba phira 'usakA' bhI uddhAra ho jaaegaa| yAnI khuda khuda kA uddhAra, 'vaha' isa taraha se aise puruSArtha kare, tabhI to hogA na! lekina jaba 'jJAnIpuruSa' use mila jAe~, use khuda ke svarUpa kA bhAna karavA deM, usake bAda puruSArtha kara sakegA aura taba 'usakA' uddhAra ho jaaegaa| jaya saccidAnaMda

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nau kalameM 1. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI jIvAtmA kA kiMcitmAtra bhI aham na dubhe (du:khe), na dubhAyA (duHkhAyA) jAye yA dubhAne (du:khAne) ke prati anumodanA na kI jAye, aisI parama zakti do / mujhe kisI dehadhArI jIvAtmA kA kiMcitmAtra bhI aham na dubhe, aisI syAdvAda vANI, syAdvAda vartana aura syAdvAda manana karane kI parama zakti do / 2. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dharma kA kiMcitmAtra bhI pramANa na dubhe, na dubhAyA jAye yA dubhAne ke prati anumodanA na kI jAye, aisI parama zakti do| mujhe kisI bhI dharma kA kiMcitmAtra bhI pramANa na dubhAyA jAye aisI syAdvAda vANI, syAdvAda vartana aura syAdvAda manana karane kI parama zakti do / 3. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI upadezaka sAdhu, sAdhvI yA AcArya kA avarNavAda, aparAdha, avinaya na karane kI parama zakti do / 4. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI jIvAtmA ke prati kiMcitmAtra bhI abhAva, tiraskAra kabhI bhI na kiyA jAye, na karavAyA jAye yA kartA ke prati na anumodita kiyA jAye, aisI parama zakti do / 5. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI jIvAtmA ke sAtha kabhI bhI kaThora bhASA, taMtIlI bhASA na bolI jAye, na bulavAI jAye yA bolane ke prati anumodanA na kI jAye, aisI parama zakti do / koI kaThora bhASA, taMtIlI bhASA boleM to mujhe mRdu-Rju bhASA bolane kI zakti do / 6. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI jIvAtmA ke prati strI, puruSa yA napuMsaka, koI bhI liMgadhArI ho, to usake saMbaMdha meM kiciMtmAtra bhI viSaya-vikAra saMbaMdhI doSa, icchAe~, ceSTAe~ yA vicAra saMbaMdhI doSa na kiye jAyeM, na karavAye jAyeM yA kartA ke prati anumodanA na kI jAye, aisI parama zakti do| mujhe niraMtara nirvikAra rahane kI parama zakti do|

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7. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI rasa meM lubdhatA na ho aisI zakti do / samarasI AhAra lene kI parama zakti do / 8. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe kisI bhI dehadhArI jIvAtmA kA pratyakSa athavA parokSa, jIvita athavA mRta, kisI kA kiMcitmAtra bhI avarNavAda, aparAdha, avinaya na kiyA jAye, na karavAyA jAye yA kartA ke prati anumodanA na kI jAyeM, aisI parama zakti do / 9. he dAdA bhagavAna ! mujhe jagata kalyANa karane meM nimitta banane kI parama zakti do, zakti do, zakti do / (itanA Apa dAdA bhagavAna se mA~gA kreN| yaha pratidina yaMtravat par3hane kI cIz2a nahIM hai, hRdaya meM rakhane kI cIz2a hai / yaha pratidina upayogapUrvaka bhAvanA karane kI cIz2a hai / itane pATha meM samasta zAstroM kA sAra A jAtA hai / ) zuddhAtmA ke prati prArthanA (pratidina eka bAra boleM) he aMtaryAmI paramAtmA ! Apa pratyeka jIvamAtra meM birAjamAna ho, vaise hI mujha meM bhI birAjamAna ho| ApakA svarUpa hI merA svarUpa hai / merA svarUpa zuddhAtmA hai| he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna ! maiM Apako abheda bhAva se atyaMta bhaktipUrvaka namaskAra karatA huuN| ajJAnatAvaza maiMne jo jo doSa kiye haiM, una sabhI doSoM ko Apake samakSa z2Ahira karatA hU~ / unakA hRdayapUrvaka bahuta pazcAtApa karatA hU~ aura Apase kSamA yAcanA karatA hU~ / he prabhu! mujhe kSamA karo, kSamA karo, karo aura phira se aise doSa nahIM karU~, aisI Apa mujhe zakti do, zakti do, zakti do / kSamA he zuddhAtmA bhagavAna! Apa aisI kRpA karo ki hameM bhedabhAva chUTa jAye aura abheda svarUpa prApta ho| hama Apa meM abheda svarUpa se tanmayAkAra rheN| jo jo doSa hue hoM, ve mana meM z2Ahira kareM /

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mUla gujarAtI zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda aNahakka : binA haqa kA zAtA : sukha-pariNAma azAtA : duHkha-pariNAma ArA : kAlacakra kA eka bhAga Azrava : karma ke udaya kI zurUAta upAdhi : bAhara se AnevAle duHkha UparI : baoNsa, variSTha mAlika galana :: DiscArja honA, khAlI honA, ger3a : acchI taraha samajha meM AnA nikAla : nipaTArA nirjarA : karma kA asta honA pudgala : jo pUraNa aura galana hotA hai pUraNa : cArja honA, bharanA potApaNuM : maiM hU~ aura merA hai, aisA AropaNa, merApana bhogavaTo : sukha-duHkha kA asara lAgaNI : bhAvukatAvAlA prema, lagAva vaLagaNA : balA, bhUtAveza, pAza, jo z2ora se cipaTa gayA ho saMvara : karma kA cArja honA baMda ho jAnA saMvarapUrvaka nirjarA : dobArA karma bIja nahIM DaleM aura karma phala pUrA ho jAe silaka : jamApU~jI A~TI : gA~Tha par3a jAe usa taraha se ulajhA huA

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