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Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: They are all words that have been given. They are not the real thing. It is sweet, is what they have written; however, they have not written the experience. There is no experience in the theoretical.
Questioner: Ancient sages (rushi-munis) experienced it.
Dadashri: Yes, but that experience is not so easily attained. Such an experience is only attained by way of an experienced person (purush), who is a nimit (instrumental in the process); otherwise it does not happen. Not everyone can do that; the Gnani Purush stands in the middle, as the instrument!
Questioner: Even in the Veda it says, that one cannot do without a guru (spiritual teacher).
Dadashri: Any talk that invalidates the guru; is all crazy talk.
Questioner: For this established (siddha) fact, the sages and the ascetics who are proof of this established fact; are no longer around.
Dadashri: What is the thing, that has been made established (siddha), like? It is natural (sahaj), it is easy to understand (sugam), but it is very difficult to attain (durlabh). This is because you have to meet the one who has attained it (a prapta purush), and then you can attain it. What is a prapta purush like? He is someone who is himself liberated (mukta); who is independent (swatantra); who never has a single thought about the worldly life (sansar); who has no thoughts related to women (sexuality), nor does he have thoughts about his existence (astitva), and in whom there is no 'I-ness' (potapanu). Where there is no 'I-ness' (potapanu), that is where your work can be done.
Someone like you comes and asks me, 'sugar is sweet, so give me a taste of it.' So I would put it in his mouth, saying 'This is That’. Thereafter, he will constantly be in the Atma (in the
