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Questioner: But does it not tell you to go to the toilet from within, so you go to the toilet?
Dadashri: That is true. The urging only comes from within. However, the living being (jiva) does not have its own power (satta) to go to the toilet. The jiva functions through another power. It is not even the Atma's power. It is true though, that it does tell you from within. What does it mean to tell you? When the urging starts from within, the mind immediately tells the sense organs (indriya) what it wants to do. And so all the sense organs get ready. Thus everything works through the internal urging or energy of command (prerana shakti).
Questioner: But is it not true, that you will only be able to move ahead, if you take control of the jiva?
Dadashri: Try taking control of the jiva! You do not even have the energy (shakti) to go to the toilet. You do not have the energy (shakti) to live, and you do not have the energy to die. If one did have the energy to die, then one would never die. But there is no energy of the sort.
Questioner: Who has that energy?
Dadashri: It is that very energy (shakti) that I am showing you, and it is through this energy, that this world runs.
Questioner: We call that the energy of God.
Dadashri: Yes, the world calls it God. But that energy is an inanimate energy (jada shakti). It is an inanimate energy, which is why we do not call it God. People of the world do not understand that, do they? And that is why they believe that it is God. Who, other than God, does that? But it is another energy (shakti) that does it. That is what I am going to show you!
Questioner: I also believed that a living being (jiva) is something which has all the coverings (avaran). And as the coverings continue to break away, then from the embodied soul (jivatma), it becomes Atma.
