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being the worldly people (sansari), who are immersed in illusory attachment (moha-maya)....
Dadashri: And are 'we' (the Gnani) not worldly people (sansari)? Even 'we' are worldly people (sansari). Whoever in this world uses the lavatory, is a worldly being (sansari). Everyone needing to use the toilet, and who goes to look for one, are all considered worldly people (sansari).
Questioner: But is it possible for anyone like us who live in the worldly life (sansar) to attain Knowledge of the Soul (Atmagnan)?
Dadashri: This is how it is: there are two kinds of worldly life (sansar). The one who renounces worldly life (tyaagi) is also the worldly life (sansar), and a family man's world (grahasthi) is also the worldly life. Both are a type of worldly life. The one who renounces (tyaagi), lives by the knowledge, 'I have renounced this, I have renounced that'. And the family man (grahasthi those living worldly life), lives by the knowledge, 'I am taking this, I am giving this, I have to acquire that'. However if they know the Atma, they will then have liberation (moksha).
Questioner: But in spite of living in the worldly life (sansar), and fulfilling the duties of the worldly life, is it still possible to remain detached from it?
Dadashri: That is precisely what the Gnani Purush has. The Gnani Purush gives you the science that he has and thereafter, you are able to do things for the worldly life (sansar), as well as things for the Atma. That is the kind of science that the Gnani Purush has.
I am able to carry on a conversation with you. Therefore, I can live in the worldly life (sansar), and I can also live in my own Self (the Atma). I can do both. I can even perform all the kriya (activities) that I need to, in the worldly life (sansar). It is
