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Aptavani-8
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In the very end, when it has to go to the final liberation (moksha), it is the element of motion (gati sahayak tattva) that carries it there. Through that, the Atma remains as the Atma. What I am saying, is that the Atma does not face any difficulty; that is what this time of worldly life (sansar) is like. But it is the ego (ahamkar) that arises within, which is the one who suffers; it experiences the pleasant (shata), and it also suffers the unpleasant (ashata). And it is because of this suffering that all this has come about; the wrong belief has arisen. There have been no changes in the Atma; the Atma has not been spoiled. Here 'we' remove one's illusion (bhranti), and 'we' give him the entire Atma.
Someone may ask, 'Is the Atma of a non-Self realized person (agnani) the same as the Atma of Lord Mahavir?' Yes, in every way, where it concerns elements (dravya), qualities (guna) and phases (paryaya). But unless the ego (ahamkar) goes, the state of being free of doubt (nihshank) will not arise. That is because the one who has the doubts (shanka) is the ego itself. Therefore, as long as the ego is there, no living being (jiva) can become doubt-free (nihshank), and nor will his doubts disappear or go away. Doubt does not go away for anyone but the Gnani Purush. When the Gnani Purush eradicates one's doubt (shanka), one becomes doubt-free (nihshank).
The Vision Changes; Not the Atma
Questioner: So can other elements (tattva) affect the Atma?
Dadashri: Of course, they do. It is indeed all these other elements that affect it. Therefore, when it goes to the abode of the Liberated Souls (Siddha kshetra); there are no other elements there and so, it is not affected by anything. As long as there are other elements (tattva) around, it will continuously be affected. However, when the Gnani Purush frees it from effects it goes off to moksha. Nevertheless, through the entire extent of time of worldly interaction (vyavahar kaad), the Atma has never been
