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being bound, and you end up wandering around in the four realms of existence (gati). When you understand everything from the Gnani Purush, the relentless wanderings will come to an end.
In Whom Does the Impurity Arise?
Questioner: Why would impure phases (ashuddha paryaya) arise from the Atma, in spite of how cautious one is?
Dadashri: But how does this benefit you? Questioner: Do we not bind karma?
Dadashri: If the impure phases (ashuddha paryaya) arise out of you, then of course you would bind karma! They do not come from the Atma at all. There are no impure phases in the Atma whatsoever. So if you want to understand what exactly it is, then these impure phases (ashuddha paryaya) and pure phases (shuddha paryaya) all arise within you.
I will tell you the principle truth. There are two kinds of atma: one is the original (muda) Atma, and through this main Atma, a second one has come about; the atma that is interactive in the world (vyavahar atma). The fundamental Atma is the Self (nischay Atma) and it has not changed at all. It is exactly as it has always been, and from it, the atma that is interactive in the world (vyavahar atma) has been created. Just as if you look in the mirror, would you not see two Chandubhai?
Questioner: Yes, we would see two.
Dadashri: In the same way, the atma that interacts in the world (vyavahar atma) has come about. “We' call it pratishthit atma. One has done one's own instilling of life (pratishtha) in it. Therefore, if you still keep doing the instilling (pratishtha) of “I am Chandubhai, I am Chandubhai,' then you will create a new pratishthit atma for the next life. If you believe this worldly interaction (vyavahar) to be true, then a new atma that interacts
