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then will the conviction (pratiti) set in; otherwise even the conviction is not established.
Questioner: We experience thoughts and feelings, but should the experience of the Self (Atmanubhav) not be a state that surpasses all these other experiences?
Dadashri: This is a state that surpasses all other experiences. Just as this experience (anubhav) happens on this side, the other experience happens on the other side. Therefore, not even a fraction of this; is in that, and not even a fraction of that, is in this. The experience of the Atma is always different. It is completely separate, and without any change. Nevertheless, the experience (anubhav) must come first. The only reason this is said, is so that one finds a cause to establish the conviction (pratiti), and he is convinced that there is such a thing as the Atma, and that there is something different other than this. Otherwise, he will not even believe its existence (astitva). Hence, the experience has to have occurred!
That Is When the Facts Are Understood
You will be in agreement (ged) with whatever I am trying to tell you, meaning you will come to understand it fully (ged besi). It will reach you “to the point”. That is what I consider as being able to grasp. Do people not say, 'I still do not get it'?
Therefore, the person will understand exactly what I am trying to explain, and that is called, ged bethi (fits; sits well; agrees). Since my viewpoint is different and his viewpoint is different, it takes longer to digest! So it takes time to grasp it! But it will only work, if you can grasp it.
Questioner: That is why you are using the words; the message should reach.
Dadashri: Yes. The message should reach you. That is why we say, “he is not getting the message'! When his level
