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Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: The experience has already happened first for the person.
Questioner: Does it come into one's conduct (vartan) after experience (anubhav)?
Dadashri: Yes. That experience (anubhav) has already happened before, and then it is evinced in one's conduct. The 'I' Attains the Pure Form of the Self
Questioner: Who makes the decision to attain the pure Self (shuddha swaroop)? Is it the Atma that makes it?
Dadashri: The Atma is itself pure (shuddha). The one who has the itch, is the one who scratches it! Besides, who else would scratch it? He that has an itch, scratches it. And it is the ego (ahamkar) that does all that. It is the 'I' who does it. Who is the one doing all the thinking, about wanting to make this form pure (shuddha)? It is the ego (ahamkar) that does this.
We are done and tired of dealing with the business of this worldly life. So it wants to start doing business on this side now. And in so doing, it gradually ends up losing its own existence (astitva). And it ends up as the main form of the Self (muda swaroop).
The Ego Exists As Long As There Is Ignorance
Questioner: Unless you start thinking about the Atma, there will not be any movement towards the Atma, will there?
Dadashri: Yes, of course there will not be!
Questioner: So initially, will there not be the ego (ahamkar) involved in the thinking? Such as now, 'I will do this, I will do that.'
Dadashri: Yes, the ego (ahamkar) will remain right until the end. It will stay as long as the ignorance (agnan) is there.
