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is not'. That is when they say, "I want to know 'what is not'." So I tell them to just get rid of the 'my'. 'My hands': that you are not. You are not, 'my head'; you are not in 'my eyes', keep taking all that away. My mind, my egoism, my speech; take all that away. Then you could say, 'I will attain my salvation; it would immediately come and stand before me.' So do it, but how can the poor man take all this out? First his paap (demerit karma; sins) must be completely destroyed.
What is this whole world like? If you do it this way, you get stuck, and if you do it this way, you get stuck. That is why everything is relative and dependent (sapeksha); when one comes, he still has another expectation waiting. Therefore, after 'we' destroy your demerit karma (paap), you will understand thoroughly, 'What is' and 'What is not'. Besides, I have told one foreign scientist about, 'What is not'.
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When we went to Lonawala, they had come there. And they said, 'Give us something.' So I told them, "Separate I and My with the Gnani's separator." I told him, that I was not going to give him my separator, but I was going to show him the way to do the separation internally. And that way, you can subtract the 'mine', subtract this, and subtract that. But how can he attain that now? Without destroying his demerit karma (paap), how was he going to attain that? It is those demerit karmas that put layers of coverings (avaran) over this Knowledge (Gnan). That is why the demerit karmas have to be destroyed first. It is because of those demerit karmas that you are not able to remember. Why does the awareness of Shuddhatma constantly remain in this person? It is because the paap have been destroyed, that the awareness of Shuddhatma is constantly there.
Questioner: So does that subtle covering have to be
removed?
Dadashri: 'We' will remove that for you.
