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Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: They all do that on their own anyway! That is how all those that composed Vedanta (Hindu scripture) arrived at it. Ultimately, after creating the four Vedas, they said, 'This is not that. This is not that. This is not that.' You cannot find the Atma, through the Vedas.
Questioner: If the Atma cannot be found, then what is it like?
Dadashri: It cannot be found, and it cannot be described. Even talking about it is a great liability. These four Vedas themselves have said no to that! It cannot be described though speech and it is not possible to express it.
Questioner: So then can one experience the Atma? Dadashri: What do you have the experience of right
now?
Questioner: Right now I am trying to attain a state of zero, which is devoid of thought (shunyavastha).
Dadashri: Shunya meaning?
Questioner: When you do not have desires and contrary thoughts (sankalp-vikalp), it is called shunya.
Dadashri: If there are two engines coming towards each other at full speed, one from this direction and one from the other direction, what would happen?
Questioner: There would be a huge accident.
Dadashri: They will collide in such a way, that even the engines will end up standing upright. When these people do meditation (dhyan) of the Atma, and whatever else they continue to do, it is just like a state that is devoid of thought (shunyavastha). Without even understanding what the state of zero (shunyavastha) means, they have embarked on attaining the state of zero (shunya). Zeroes without ones, are all useless.
