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Aptavani-8
Only if there is a one, a zero is useful. So how are you trying to attain the state of zero (shunyavastha) then?
Questioner: We sit in silence, and then try to stop any desires (sankalp) and contrary thoughts and agitation (vikalp) from arising.
Dadashri: And even then, the desires and agitation (sankalp-vikalp) keeps occurring, does it not? Yes, but who does that, when it is not your wish? Has someone puzzling not managed to enter in?
Questioner: That is the non-Self complex (prakruti).
Dadashri: Tell me, are you in the non-Self (prakruti), or are you in the Self (Purush)?
Questioner: In the Self (Purush).
Dadashri: Who made you into the Purush? Questioner: That is the knowledge we do not have.
Dadashri: If someone tells you, 'Chandubhai has spoiled this', will it affect you?
Questioner: If I had indeed ruined it, then I would have to own up to it.
Dadashri: But say you have not ruined anything, and someone says, 'Chandubhai has spoiled this', would it bother you?
Questioner: They can keep saying that.
Dadashri: Is that so? So, nothing in the name of Chandubhai affects you?
Questioner: No.
Dadashri: And if someone steals five thousand rupees from your pocket, it still would not affect you?
