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brahma). This is what they, without understanding, they have haphazardly knocked into their own language, as they pleased.
Questioner: But what is Brahma? Please tell us!
Dadashri: It is the original element (muda vastu). It is eternal (avinashi). It possesses innumerable, limitless attributes (gunas). Alas! By relentlessly carrying on with this nirguna, nirguna (without attributes, without attributes) appellation, they have indoctrinated everyone, so they too would say the same thing. Therefore, I have to tell you, even using stern language, 'Hey you! There is guna (with quality) even in a stone!' Is it not useful for crushing chutney?
Questioner: Yes, it is.
Dadashri: Moreover, now tell me, you! Is it the Atma alone that has no attributes (gunas)? To make them understand, would I not have to use strong words? How long are you going to carry on believing this? And if this is what you believe, when will you attain the Atma?
Therefore, in reality, even a stone possesses qualities (gunas). But these people call the Atma as being nirguna (without attributes), and because everyone said the same thing, the entire truth became distorted. Therefore, I have had to say that it is true that the Atma is nirguna (without attributes). But that you interpreted, in your own language. So it means that from the perspective of the non-Self complex's attributes, it is without attributes (nirguna). Not a single attribute of the nonSelf is in the Atma; but the Atma is full of its own attributes (gunas).
Now, they have gone as far as calling the Atma, nirguna atma! Listen here you! Not even a stone is without attributes (nirguna)! And you call the Atma nirguna (without attributes)? Even in a hundred thousand lifetimes, how will you ever veer towards the realm of the real thing (vastu, Atma)? Not even a
