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you not know which part has no illusion and which part has illusion? You have not done any kind of separating them at all, have you?
Questioner: What is your definition of illusion (bhranti)? What would you consider as having no illusion?
Dadashri: You yourself (the Self) are eternal and indestructible (avinashi), and even the things that belong to you, are eternal. And to believe that things that are transient and destructible (vinashi) are yours; that is called illusion (bhranti).
Questioner: So would you not call it a kind of ignorance (agnan)?
Dadashri: Massive ignorance! To believe that the foreign department is the home department; is a lot of ignorance (agnan). If there is a foreign department, and you believe that it is the home department, then what would you consider the home department to be? Therefore, one does not know what the home is. How do you benefit from believing that the foreign department is the home department?
Questioner: There is no benefit at all.
Dadashri: Then what harm does it do?
Questioner: If we do not know our real form (swaroop), then everything is harmful.
Dadashri: It is indeed harmful. Your own Self-form (swaroop), is itself the home department. And in the foreign department you have, 'I am Chandubhai, I am a professor, I am this woman's husband, I am his uncle, I am fat, I am thin.' All that keeps ringing in your ears, is called illusion (bhranti). It is okay to say it. But it is the one who is saying these things, in whom you place your faith. You are mixing both, the worldly interaction (vyavahar) and that which is related to the Self (nischay) together, and saying, “I myself am Chandubhai!” O ho
