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Aptavani-8
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Dadashri: Penance? To know this? No. Penance cannot eliminate the separation. Even that cannot do it.
Questioner: Are there any subtle rituals for destroying this separation? Can one know it through the subtle body?
Dadashri: The Gnani Purush himself can do all the things for further progress. For the Gnani Purush, the living beingAtma (jiva-Shiva) separation is already gone. And if he wants to know even more than that, he can know everything through other subtle means. Someone who practices penance (tapa) however, cannot know anything.
Questioner: But is it possible to remove the separation between embodied soul and Atma (jiva-Shiva) through the subtle body?
Dadashri: No. One removes it, but it is only according to one's belief. The “psychological” will not do! It has to be methodically done through Gnan (Knowledge), and it has to be the proper way. But the path is the same, whether you call it Vedanta, Jainism or anything else. It is only one kind of knowledge.
Questioner: So the embodies soul and Atma (jiva-Shiva) separation can only be broken in the human form?
Dadashri: This cannot happen in any other life-form, other than the human life-form.
Questioner: In the celestial realm (deva gati)?
Dadashri: No. Even there, nothing can happen. It is not possible in the celestial realm. The most that those in the celestial realm do, is while living there, if they wish to do a visit to do darshan, they can come here. So those in the celestial realm (deva gati) can come here to do darshan.
Questioner: Can anyone who is in a videhi (one who has attained the Self despite having a physical body) state, break the separation of living being and Atma (jiva-Shiva)?
