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The Humanism of Haribhadra
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Sometimes there may be a little bit of pain in the body from not eating, etc. This is just like the behaviour of an ailment. It does not contradict the point we here wish to make.
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Surely, when looked upon in the perspective that) one's desired aims are fully achieved, torment of the body (= tapas) is not painful. In this case one can also compare it to [the trouble and the final profit] of those who are traders of precious stones, etc. So, it must be known, tapas essentially consists of a special kind of insight, longing for liberation (samvega) and calmness. It is a purity by destruction of karma, and it consists of pleasure without any pain !
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XII. Eight Verses on Debate
1.
The greatest sages have declared that there are three kinds of debate (vāda) : A dry debate, a controversy, and a moral debate.
When an 'ascetic has [a debate] with a foolish (opponent] who is exceedingly arrogant, who has a most ferocious mind, and who really hates dharma, then this is called a dry (or useless] debate.
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This kind (of debate] has two aspects : If [the opponent] triumphs, dharma will be neglected, etc. If he is defeated, [dharma] will be degraded. So [this kind of debate) really increases misfortune.
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Again, (if one has a debate) devoted to quibble and futile rejoinders with a wretched mean person only interested in profit and fame, this is traditionally called a controversy.
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In this case it is very difficult for an honest man to remain true to his own principles. But even if he does win [the debate), imperfections such as karma that restricts, etc., will impede his (good) fate.
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[A moral debate) is a debate on dharma that one has with an intelligent person who is interested in the next world, who is impartial, and who really understands the truths in his (or one's] own scriptures.
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If one wins, the result is a blameless comprehension of dharma, etc. If one is defeated [the result is also positive, for then] one's personal delusion is necessarily destroyed.
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