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ignorance.
There are two kinds of freedom: First is the freedom from ignorance (agnan mukti). That means the Self comes into its dharma. The second is absolute freedom from the physical body (dehamukti), the attainment of siddhagati (the abode of all liberated souls). It is possible to become ekavtari; i.e. attain moksha in just one more life.
What is the benefit of attaining freedom from ignorance of the Self? One attains a state where he is not affected by any worldly suffering.
What are human beings looking for?
Questioner: Freedom from pain and suffering.
Dadashri: The Self is by nature blissful and when one is not affected by pain (dukh), what else remains?
Questioner: Surely there must be some keys to know
the Self?
Dadashri: There are no such keys. You simply have to go to a Gnani Purush and tell him, 'Sir, I have no sense. I am a fool. I have wandered for countless lives but I have not learnt or known even a fraction about the Self. Therefore, please grace me; do at least this much for me.' That is all you have to do. The Gnani Purush has only come here to give the gift of liberation.
And then people complain about what will become of the worldly life interactions (vyavahar). After knowing the Self everything that remains is the vyavahar. The Gnani Purush also gives you knowledge of the worldly life interaction. He gives you the Five Agnas (five cardinal principles given in the Gnan Vidhi by which the state of the Self is preserved and progress towards final liberation is enhanced). The Gnani tells you, 'These are my Five Agnas. Follow my Agnas and your
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worldly life interactions will be pure (shuddha) and your nischay (firm decision) is pure. All other liabilities are mine!' You should experience freedom here and now, in this very life. If You do not, then it is not real moksha. If You do not experience moksha after meeting me, then I am not a real Gnani and the moksha I give is not real either. You must feel liberated here, in this fifth Ara (the current portion of the time cycle, also known as Kaliyug or dushamkaal). You must experience liberation here and now, whatever your vocation or appearance. What assurance do you have that you will experience liberation over there (after death)?
Questioner: Does the Self have different types? Dadashri: No, the Self is only of one type.
Questioner: Does the Self experience attachment and abhorrence (raag and dwesh)?
Dadashri: No. It does not experience attachment or abhorrence; this is a vibhav that has arisen. Vibhav means an attribute that is not of the Self. The Self is by nature vitarag (freedom from attachment and abhorrence). It does not have an iota of attachment or abhorrence. It appears otherwise due to illusion (bhranti).
Questioner: Is it true that causes (karma bondage) are created due to the effect on the Self, from problems that are inherent in the cycles of birth and death?
Dadashri: No. There is no effect on the Self at all. The nature of the Self does not change at all. It only attains the wrong belief.
Questioner: How did the wrong belief set in?
Dadashri: It sets in due to one not having the awareness of the Self; therefore he accepts whatever knowledge others give him, and it fits in his understanding. So based on what
