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Dadashri: Right conduct (samyak charitra) is visible to others whereas absolute conduct (keval charitra) is not. It cannot be experienced through the senses; it is only experienced through Gnan.
Questioner: What is the difference between faith (shraddha), and vision (darshan) or understanding?
Dadashri: Darshan is a higher state than faith (shraddha). Faith can even turn into non-faith (ashraddha). If you have faith in someone, that faith may turn; you can even lose faith in that same person, but the darshan will not turn or change. You need someone (a Gnani) to change the darshan. Does anyone's deluded vision (mithya darshan) change? If a person has faith in his guru for six months, that faith may vanish. Actually that is not even faith; it is trust (vishvas).
Questioner: What is the difference between faith (shraddha) and trust (vishvas)?
Dadashri: Faith (shraddha) is a state lower than vision (darshan), but it is a steady state; it will not shake. But people have taken its meaning to a very low level. A guru maharaj may ask you to have faith in him for six months, but how can you if you do not have faith in him to begin with? 'Sir, I am trying to make the "stamp" stick, but it will not stick! Tell me something that will help establish my faith in you.' Faith is not something you keep or establish. Faith has to come on its own.
Sooj (intuition, insight) that occurs within is darshan. Some people have more sooj and some do not have any at all. Sooj is a natural gift. It is not mediated through the ego. Each person has sooj according to his or her own capacity. Even a small child has sooj.
Shops of Religion Questioner: Religion and religious pursuits of many kinds exist and all of them claim that their religion is right, so whom
should we believe to be right?
Dadashri: The religion of the Vitarag (absolutely free from attachment and abhorrence). It is worth understanding the Vitarag Lords and listening to what they have to say. The 'right talk' (that which liberates) is not to be found in all these 'shops' of religion. Each shop has its own thing to say. Each is correct from its viewpoint; no one is incorrect.
Questioner: The thinking behind all talks is that if the 'T' (as the ego) departs then one can attain something.
Dadashri: Go to a 'shop' that does not have an owner and sit there. Where the 'I-the ego' has departed, where you do not see any anger-pride-deceit-greed; sit there and listen to them (Gnanis). Then you will attain moksha. Otherwise moksha is not going to happen.
In a vyakhyan (religious discourse) the speaker is separate and so is the listener. That is called a vyakhyan, not aakhyan (meaning it is called lecture not discussion), and in the path of moksha there is no discussion, so how can there be lectures? It is beyond discourse and discussion.
Questioner: What is the meaning of aakhyan and vyakhyan?
Dadashri: Talking to a handful of people is aakhyan and talking to a crowd is called vyakhyan. Beware when Circumstances Are Favorable
Questioner: I have not experienced love that is free from attachment (raag); it seems that it is something that is beyond the average imagination.
Dadashri: The karmic account with all the others is of dwesh (abhorrence), and that has to be settled with equanimity. They are called pratikud (unfavorable, unpleasant) kashays; dwesh kashays, and those of raag (attachment) are considered
