Aptavani 05

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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who becomes restless in circumstances; but despite this it is not possible to maintain tranquillity. Is this because there is a denser veil of the intellect?
Dadashri: No, the ruling there is that the Shuddhatma (the pure Self) that Dada' has given You, is the Seer of all that. If You remain in that state, then there is no problem. Otherwise if you delve into restlessness and tranquillity, then there is no end to it.
Questioner: What is the key to that?
Dadashri: Whether one is restless or tranquil the pure Self is the Knower of both. One meddles in the foreign department' (the non-Self) and thus becomes restless. Whether there is restlessness or tranquillity we (the mahatmas) are only concerned with the 'knowing' part. All those circumstances are paudgalik of the non-Self, and the One who is the Knower of the circumstances of the non-Self is called Shuddhatma (the pure Self). Paudgalik means puran input or charge) and galan (output or discharge). Any circumstance that comes to you, will do so only if it was previously charged; thus it will come to you now in this life, and it will discharge
You are bound to get burnt if you stick your hand (meddle) in the foreign'. I never stick my hand in the foreign (the non-Self). Whatever "fruit" (result) that is going to unfold is inevitable. In addition, one becomes liable to receive double the effect for meddling. One incurs double the loss! You should take only one loss. You should continue to know that "Chandubhai is restless and the state he is in will be over in fifteen minutes. You will not incur two losses if You just keep 'seeing everything.
Questioner: Can it be said that the longer the period of restlessness, the greater the veil of ignorance?
Dadashri: Yes, the greater the veil of ignorance, the
longer it stretches. However, if You keep 'seeing as the pure Self then, no matter how many veils there are, it will go away in no time. It will be settled, but if you stick your hand in it you will create unnecessary problems. The Unfolding of Pain Karmas and the Gnani
Questioner: When the Vitarag Purush (Gnani Purush) has to endure any physical suffering, for example when your hip fractured, how did You remain free from that circumstance? Surely the pain would be the same as what anyone else would experience?
Dadashri: 'We have destroyed all documents of ownership'. 'We' have destroyed the document, 'this is my mind, this is my intellect, this is my speech, etc. We have destroyed all such documents. The Vitarag refers to His speech, as the original taped record playing
"We have even destroyed the document that says, this is my body'; hence 'we' call it a Public Trust'. So, when 'we' have a toothache there is the effect of pain but 'we' remain the Knower of that pain; 'we' do not become the sufferer' of that pain. 'We are not affected whenever someone insults 'us' or curses 'us' or whenever there is a financial loss. There is no effect whatsoever of that which occurs in and to the mind. Any physical ailment will have its effect according to its nature but 'we remain its Knower and Seer and therefore pain does not touch 'us'.
Questioner: Is that just stillness of the Vitarag Purush or is it stillness that comes from becoming engrossed in it?
Dadashri: 'We never become engrossed in anything. Even with this body 'our relationship with it is like that of a neighbor, and so if something happens to it, it will not touch 'us'. 'Our mind is nothing like it. What is it like? It keeps moving every second; it does not get stuck in one place.