Aptavani 05

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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the fifth kindled light of arati is the support of the pure Self" (questioner quoting a line from Dada's arati, devotional song). What kind of support (sadhaar) are they talking about?
Dadashri: Up until now the body complex (the pudgal, non-Self) was the support of the chetan (the living one; consciousness within); and now the Shuddhatma (the pure Self) is the support of the chetan. Therefore, the Self has become its own support. Now the non-Self is no longer the support. The whole world is supported by the non-Self.
If ghee (clarified butter) is placed in a container, an intellectual scholar (pandit) will ponder over whether the ghee is there because of the container or if the container is there because of the ghee. A pandit is likely to have such thoughts, but not someone who is not so intellectual. A pandit's brain is fertile, is it not? So in order to investigate, the pandit turns the container up side down; then he realizes, 'Oh my! The ghee was there because of the container!' Similarly, for the people of the world, the Self exists because of their body complex (pudgal). When one's existence comes to be supported by his own Self (upon Self-realization); when he attains the understanding. 'I do not exist because of the body'; then that is considered taking the support of the Shuddhatma. The one who is dependent upon the body, the Lord considers as having no support (niraashrit); the Lord considers him as an 'orphan' and the one who is dependent upon the Self, the Lord considers as having support (aashrit). Once You come into the support of the Self (sadhaar), there is nothing more left to do.
Now, when someone insults 'Chandubhai'. You have to tell 'Chandubhai', 'Chandubhai, you are being insulted but I will help you.' You have to practice handling things in this way. Do you not have to practice lighting even a firecracker? Otherwise you can get burnt. You need practice in everything.
Now, when someone scolds you, he is scolding
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'Chandubhai'. They do not even know You, do they?
Questioner: When people say 'my atma', are they talking about the pratishthit atma (relative self)?
Dadashri: No, the pratishthit atma comes into play after one attains Self-realization (Gnan). When I give you Gnan, a separation occurs between the Shuddhatma (the Self) and the pratishthit atma (the relative self, non-Self complex). You become the pure Self but what else remains? The pratishthit atma remains. You had created it by instilling the belief (doing pratishtha) of, This is I...this is I'. That pratishthit atma now remains in a form of a discharge. Even those who do not have Self-realization will say things like, 'My Atma...my Atma is a sinner'; hey speak in this way and that too is the pratishthit atma. However, they do not have the separation between the Shuddha atma and the pratishthit atma.
Questioner: After Gnan one realizes that one has attained an unprecedented occurrence (apurva avasar). So can you explain that occurrence in detail?
Dadashri: Apurva avasar means an occurrence that has never occurred before in any past lives; such is this event. In this event one attains the awareness of the Self. This is called apurva avasar.
Questioner: Where are all these jivas (living beings) born or created?
Dadashri: They were never born nor created. The Self is indestructible; it is eternal. That which is eternal cannot be created or born. That which is imperishable cannot be created or born. All that You 'see' around You is an illusion (bhranti). They are all circumstances and circumstances perish. Circumstance of youth, circumstance of old age; they all perish and the Self within remains the same.