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Indians) have a natural and spontaneous ego. There (outside India) a thief will continue to steal, a cheater will continue to cheat and a nobleman will continue to be noble, whereas here a noble person will steal and a thief will show nobility! So this is an amazing country. It is an Indian puzzle', which no one can solve. The foreigners will exhaust their intellect but they will not find a solution for it. Here a nephew will make up excuses because he does not want his uncle to borrow his car. The entire ego is verily deceitful.
Whatever actions one carry out is fine. It increases his ego and through this process he undergoes all different experiences; then ultimately his experiences lead him to the experience of the Self.
Questioner: Then does the ego leave at the final stage?
Dadashri: Then he will meet a Gnani. It is a rule that whatever the standard' of the student, there will be an appropriate teacher.
The moment one becomes the doer one is subject to karmic bondage. Whether he becomes the doer of action with expectation of its rewards (sakaam karmas) or without expectation of rewards (nishkaam karmas); the moment he becomes the 'doer' there is bondage. Doing karmas without expectation of their rewards brings happiness and peace, whereas doing karmas with expectation of their rewards brings pain.
Who Is Possessed? The Ego or the Self?
Questioner: But liberation has to be granted to the Self, correct?
Dadashri: The Self is already in moksha (liberated). It does not have any misery (dukh) at all. The one experiencing pain and misery is the one that needs to be liberated. The Self has never come into bondage, the Self has always been free. It is because of ignorance of the Self that he believes 'I am bound' and when he attains the knowledge 'I am free', then he becomes liberated. In fact he is not bound; he simply believes he is. Like everyone else, he too believes he is in bondage. This is the competition amongst people. There are differences of 'mine' and yours' which only increase that bondage.
Questioner: Dada, is it not difficult to absorb all this quickly?
Dadashri: That is precisely why all this has been obstructed. That is precisely the reason one does not attain enlightenment, right vision (samkit). That is why it has been said, *understand Atmagnan (knowledge of the Self). Know what the Self is, otherwise there is no liberation'. Writers of scriptures have given all kinds of examples but one can only move forward if one understands them. Liberation is only to be found where the Armagnani is. The Gnani can give you knowledge and explanation of the extent of your doership'. Ordinarily people believe 'I am doing samayik. I do penance. I do japa (name chanting)', etc. They believe 'I am the Self and I do everything Now, the moment the word 'doing' comes in, it is all a wrong belief. 'I do. He does. They do (karomi, karosi, karoti respectively)', is all mithyatva (wrong vision). Prakruti Does Wrong: Purush Does Right
The prakruti may do wrong but You correct it from within. What do you have to tell 'Chandubhai' when he does something wrong? You have to tell him, "Chandubhai, what you are doing is wrong, it should not be so.' So then Your work is
Questioner: Does the Self have to wander life after life because it has been possessed by the body complex (pudgal)?
Dadashri: Nothing possesses the Self. This is all the problem of the ego (ahamkar). If the ego is there, the Self is not, and if the Self is there, the ego is not.
