Guru and Disciple

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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you for? Why have you published these books? Why have you built this temple? Would there not be someone to question such things?
If a blind person says, 'When I make my own eyes and see through them, then I am a real man,' would we not laugh at him? This is how people talk. A professor at college needs students and the students need the professor. But for the students to say that the professor is not necessary is crazy. What kind of mania has arisen nowadays? The Gnani Purush and the gurus are nimits; such statements eliminate these nimits altogether.
The Gnani Purush is a nimit and you have the upadaan (spiritual development). It does not matter how ripe is the upadaan. Without the nimit of the Gnani Purush, this one work of spiritual learning leading to Self-realization is such that, it cannot happen. Self-realization is impossible without a Gnani Purush. The essence of what I am trying to convey is that it will not happen without animit. This is applicable ninety-nine percent of the time; however, there is a one percent exception where it may even happen without animit. But this exception cannot be taken as a rule. The general rule is that it will happen only through animit. An exception is a different thing. In a rule, there is always an exception to that rule. That is the definition of a rule!
Questioner: Then what do the scriptures mean when they say that no one can do anything for anyone?
Dadashri: That is a different discussion. The scriptures mean to say something else, but people have interpreted it a different way. People take by mouth, a medicine that is meant to be applied topically, and so they die! So what can anyone do? How can we blame the doctor?
If indeed it were true that one person cannot do anything for another, then all the lawyers and attorneys would be out of commission! Doctors would be of no use! Wives would be useless. All these people help each other.
Questioner: So in which context is the sentence "No one can do anything for anyone else," written?
Dadashri: It is applicable in nischay (from the real perspective). It is not applicable to the worldly life. In the worldly life there is give and take with everyone and innischay (spirituality) no one person can do anything for another. 'One element tartva) does not help another element' is also applicable tonischay-the vision of the self. However, in the worldly life everything can be done. Incorrect statements have been given to the public and consequently it has done a lot of damage.
Questioner: That is what I am trying to understand.
Dadashri: As far as elements are concerned, no one element (tartva) can help or hurt another element. The elements cannot mix with each other. This is what that statement means, but people have taken these statements and applied them to the worldly life. If you look at it, as far as the worldly life (vyavahar) is concerned, one cannot do without even a wife. In the worldly life people cannot do without wives or husbands. The entire worldly life is nothing but dependency. But, as far as the Self (nischay) is concerned, everything is completely independent. The Soul is completely independent. But what happens when you take that
But how far have people gone? First, they claim, "Every element (vastu) is separate. One element does not do anything for any other element.' This statement from the supreme vision of the enlightened ones has been brought down to the level of worldly talk and this confuses the seeker. The seeker then feels that no one person can do anything for another.
Questioner: They are saying that no one can do anything for anyone else.
Dadashri: Now that statement is filled with a very grave error and tremendous liability.