Guru and Disciple

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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That is why you need a guru until the very end. It is extremely difficult to reach the final destination (moksha).
Questioner: A guru is needed for worldly tasks and worldly knowledge. But to see yourself as you are, you do not need a guru. Is that not so?
Dadashri: You need a guru in the worldly life and you need a guru on the path of liberation (moksha). Only a few people would say that a guru is not needed. You cannot do without a guru. The guru is a light. You need a guru until the very end. Shrimad Rajchandra (Gnani Purush 1867-1901) has said that you will need a guru until the twelfth gunthana (a stage of spiritual development in the Kramic path), i.e., until you become God.
Questioner: My question is not to oppose the need for a guru. I am trying to understand the issue.
Dadashri: Yes, but really a guru is needed in this world. I too still have a guru! I sit here as the disciple of the whole world. So then, who is my guru? People! That is why there is a need for a guru until the very end.
Regardless of what the truth may be, is there anything wrong in telling the truth? If something is wrong, the Gnani Purush will immediately say so regardless of whether that person is a king or just a commoner! If you do not believe me then I do not have any objections. But I would not let things continue as they are. I have come to tell the facts to the entire world because until now everything has been hollow and without any substance. Just look at the predicament of India today! Just look!
I cannot speak insincerely and inaccurately. What is the world looking for? People claim it is acceptable to speak insincerely and inaccurately to avoid interference and conflict. However, I cannot utter even a single word that is insincere or unsubstantiated. Though I know how to, I cannot speak that way. All I can say is, "It is" to that which is, and "It is not" to
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that which is not. I cannot say, "It is" when it is not and, "It is not" where it is.
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A guru himself may tell you 'Do not make anyone your guru.' When he teaches this, what is he if not a guru? In the same way, people may claim that a nimit is not needed, so what are they if not animit, in claiming this?
The Gnani nimit liberates
Questioner: Yes, if you have the right spiritual development (upadaan), then you will automatically find the nimit. That is what they say.
Dadashri: Amongst us, there are many who have a very high upadaan (spiritual development), but they wander around because they have not found a nimit (Gnani as the liberator). Hence, the statement, "When one has the upadaan, he will automatically find animit," is completely wrong. It carries a grave liability. However, if you wish to speak against Gnan, then you are free to utter this statement.
Questioner: Please give us some clarity between the nimit and upadaan. So if one's spiritual level (upadaan) is ready, then the nimit will readily come on its own. And if the nimit is readily available, but the upadaan is not present, then what can the nimit do?
Dadashri: All such statements that are written; are incorrect. What is correct is that there is a need for both the nimit and upadaan. However, if upadaan is lacking and one finds the right nimit, then the upadaan will increase.
The nimit verily is beneficial. What if we did away with schools on the belief that, as long as the child and his educational development (upadaan) are present, a nimit (teacher) will automatically come along? What would happen if we did that? Can we do without schools?