Guru and Disciple

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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The Guru and the Disciple
The Guru and the Disciple
and you have climbed seven, then he will help you climb up to the tenth step. In fact, there are millions of steps to climb. There are not just a few steps!
The disciple excels the guru
Questioner: Suppose the guru has not reached all the way, but if his disciple has tremendous reverence for him, is he likely to overtake the guru?
Dadashri: Yes, but only a rare one can! Not everyone reaches there. One has to find another guru further ahead. If a disciple is very knowledgeable and quick, and if his mind turns in the right direction, he will climb the path very fast. But this would be an exception!
Questioner: Is it possible for the disciple to become liberated upon listening to the guru's sermons while the guru remains right where he is?
Dadashri: Yes, it is possible. The guru stays in the same place while the disciple moves ahead.
Questioner: Does the effect of punya (merit karma), work
the merit karma (punya) will make all kinds of changes. What can punya not do? And for this knowledge, the Gnan of the Self, you need punya-anubandhi-punya (the highest of merit karma). The Gnani Purush is the only one who does not leave any
'stains What kinds of interactions are there in the Kramic path? The guru will tell his disciple to do as much renunciation (tyaag) as he does himself. Therefore, the disciple has to undergo penance, renunciation and all kinds of testing. And because of the guru's grace, the disciple does not feel any anxieties or difficulties and the guru himself carries on with the grace of his own guru. There is no end to this process, which is why things continue to go on and on. All gurus cleanse themselves this way. If you have made someone your guru, then that guru will cleanse all your dirt but he will leave some of his own dirt on you. Then if you find another guru, he will take that dirt out leaving behind some of his dirt on you. This is the succession of gurus.
When you use soap to clean a cloth, what does the soap do? It takes out the dirt in the cloth but leaves behind its own residue. Then who will remove the residue left behind by the soap? For that, you use Tinopal (cloth whitener). The Tinopal will get rid of the stains left behind by the soap, but it will leave its own residue. Then you have to look for something else. In this world, every one leaves behind his own dirt. How long can this go on? It will go on until there is a pure and absolutely stainless cleaner'.
You have not made a worldly guru, and you have come here and that is a big profit. If you had made a guru, that guru would have left his "dirt' on you. Who is the only one person that will not leave his dirt on you? The Gnani Purush! The Gnani himself is free from dirt, he is in the pure form and he makes others pure. There is no other problem. The Gnani does not add any 'new dirt'. The Gnani Purush has a completely pure path, so when you ultimately find the Gnani Purush, then all your dirt will be cleansed!
here?
Dadashri: Yes, the effect of punya alone! In fact, when the guru is teaching, many disciples think, "That cannot be!" They, then start to ask all kinds of questions. If a disciple starts to think, "I wonder what it is like?" then begins to think, "It must be like this," then gnan will immediately arise. For the one in whom "That cannot be does not arise, he will not attain gnan.
Questioner: Did he find animit for inciting the vikalp, the doubt of, "That cannot be'?
Dadashri: Yes, he found a nimir, it was simply that! So, the time has arisen for him to attain gnan, and he starts to think, "It must be like this. It cannot be like that so it must be like this." So