Guru and Disciple

Author(s): Dada Bhagwan
Publisher: Mahavideh Foundation

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to hell. Despite being a Gnani, I have to speak sternly in this way. There is tremendous compassion behind what I am saying. What reason does a Gnani have to be stern? For which reason does the one who is constantly in the state of bliss, constantly in the state of the Self, need to speak such stern words? Despite being a Gnani, I have to say this: "Beware! Keep studying. You can tell people, 'I am studying the scriptures and let us all study together.' But you must not preach in the presence of kashayas. Vachanbud (energy or power of speech) is mandatory
You will not learn anything if I continue to preach to you, but you will learn easily by observing my conduct. Therefore, updesh (preaching) does not work here and such speech goes to waste. However, I still cannot say that it is wrong. Therefore, no one is wrong, but there is no use for it; it is all meaningless. What do you call speech that has no vachanbud - no power of words? You can tell the guru, "Your words are wrong. Why should it go to waste? Your words should grow within; why do they not?' How old are the words? Old words will not produce results. Speech has to be pure; these words have to grow within. You should tell him, "Say something that will have some effect in me.' The power of speech is the main thing. What good is it if there is no power behind a man's speech?
A person is considered a guru when his speech has so much energy that it produces results in us when he speaks. But here they preach to us saying, "Get rid of your anger, pride, deceit and greed,' when they still have anger, pride, deceit and greed within them. That is why everything is ruined, has it not? From a hundred gurus, you may find two to five, who are good. The power of words means whatever one speaks starts to take effect within the listener. What good is it when there is no such power in words?
When I was young, I used to say, 'You are preaching the same things that are written in books, so what is the difference between you and the books? On the contrary, the books are
better, at least I do not have to bow down to them the way I have to you. Say something that will produce some kind of results within, so that my chit (the inner component that knows and sees worldly events and objects) will remain in it. What do they say? They tell us, 'Do this, do this, and do this.' What will I do with this do this'? I cannot do it and you keep telling me to do it. You need energy in your words. One is considered a guru when his words have some effect on the other person, otherwise, he is not even a guru. The Gnani Purush will give you moksha but when is one considered a guru? It is when he has vachanbud (energy in words) and there is no deceit or lying in his words. Do you understand what I am saying?
Questioner: Yes, yes.
Dadashri: These talks are very profound. How are people to understand this? These businesses (guru-disciple exploitation) will continue to run. Let them run. Why should we meddle in them? They run because of the current time cycle.
Otherwise, books say the same thing you (the guru) are saying. So what is the difference between you and the book? If as a living person you cannot do anything, then this book is better. Should there not be at least some energy there? There may not be the energy to liberate, but should there not be the energy for improved worldly interaction? Show us something that will give us peace in this worldly life. Peace will come to us if you yourself are at peace. How can we have peace when you do not have it?
No one knows the method
A guru will tell you to be moral and sincere. Hey! Why don't you become moral first? If you become moral yourself, there will be no need to tell me to become so. If you tell me this after you become moral yourself, then I too will become moral. I will become moral just by looking at you. We become what we see, but the guru himself has not become moral yet.