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________________ dAdA bhagavAna kI vaijJAnika draSTi se camatkAra camatkAra hai kyA? camatkAra usake kAraNoM ke binA huA kisa taraha se, vaha batA / kAraNa ke binA koI kArya hotA nahIM hai| camatkAra ho rahe haiM, ve to pariNAma haiN| yAnI ki sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa haiN| isalie vaha camatkAra nahIM hai, sAinsa hai! -dAdAzrI ISBN 978-81-89933-66-1 97881891933661
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________________ dAdA bhagavAna kathita camatkAra mUla gujarAtI saMkalana : DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna anuvAda : mahAtmAgaNa prakAzaka ajIta sI. paTela mahAvideha phAunDezana 'dAdA darzana, 5, mamatApArka sosAiTI, navagujarAta kaoNleja ke pIche, usmAnapurA, ahamadAbAda 380014, gujarAta phona - (079) 27540408, 27543979 All Rights reserved - Shri Deepakbhai Desai Trimandir, Simandhar City, Ahmedabad-Kalol Highway, Post - Adalaj, Dist.-Gandhinagar-382421, Gujarat, India. prathama saMskaraNa : 3000 pratiyA~, bhAva mUlya: 'parama vinaya' aura mudraka dravya mUlya 15 rupaye agasta 2010 'maiM kucha bhI jAnatA nahIM, yaha bhAva ! lesara kampoz2a dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana, ahamadAbAda : mahAvideha phAunDezana (prinTiMga DivIjana), pArzvanAtha caimbarsa, naI riz2arva baiMka ke pAsa, usmAnapurA, ahamadAbAda- 380014. phona : (079) 27542964, 30004823
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________________ trimaMtra ( dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA prakAzita pustakeM hindI 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. jJAnI purUSa kI pahacAna sarva duHkhoM se mukti karma kA vijJAna Atmabodha maiM kauna hU~ ? 6. vartamAna tIrthakara zrI sImaMdhara 23. dAna svAmI 7. bhUgate usI kI bhUla 8. eDajasTa evarIvheyara 9. TakarAva TAlie 10. huA so nyAya 11. ciMtA 12. krodha 13. pratikramaNa * 14. dAdA bhagavAna kauna ? 15. paisoM kA vyavahAra 16. aMta:karaNa kA svarUpa 17. jagata kartA kauna ? 18. trimaMtra 19. bhAvanA se sudhare janmojanma 20. pati-patnI kA dIvya vyavahAra 21. mAtA-pitA aura baccoM kA vyavahAra 22. samajha se prApta brahmacarya 24. mAnava dharma 25. sevA - paropakAra 3 26. mRtyu samaya, pahale aura pazcAt 27. nijadoSa darzana se... nirdoSa 28. prema 29. kleSa rahita jIvana 30. ahiMsA 31. satya-asatya ke rahasya 32. camatkAra 33. vANI, vyavahAra meM.... 34. pApa-puNya 35. AptavANI - 1 dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA gujarAtI bhASA meM bhI 55 pustakeM prakAzita huI hai| vebasAiTa www.dadabhagwan.org para se bhI Apa ye sabhI pustakeM prApta kara sakate haiN| dAdA bhagavAna phAunDezana ke dvArA hara mahIne hindI, gujarAtI tathA aMgrejI bhASA meM "dAdAvANI" maigejIna prakAzita hotA hai|
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________________ dAdA bhagavAna kauna? jUna 1958 kI eka saMdhyA kA karIba cha: baje kA samaya. bhIDa se bharA sUrata zahara kA relve sTezana, pleTaphArma naM. 3 kI beMca para baiThe zrI aMbAlAla malajIbhAI paTela rUpI dehamaMdira meM kudaratI rUpa se, akrama rUpa meM, kaI janmoM se vyakta hone ke lie Atura 'dAdA bhagavAna' pUrNa rUpa se prakaTa hue| aura kudarata ne sarjita kiyA adhyAtma kA adbhuta aashcry| eka ghaMTe meM unheM vizvadarzana huaa| 'maiM kauna? bhagavAna kauna? jagat kauna calAtA hai? karma kyA? mukti kyA?' ityAdi jagat ke sAre AdhyAtmika praznoM ke saMpUrNa rahasya prakaTa hue| isa taraha kudarata ne vizva ke sammukha eka advitIya pUrNa darzana prastuta kiyA aura usake mAdhyama bane zrI aMbAlAla mUlajIbhAI paTela, gujarAta ke carotara kSetra ke bhAdaraNa gA~va ke pATIdAra, kAnTrekTa kA vyavasAya karanevAle. phira bhI pUrNatayA vItarAga puruSa! unheM prApti huI, usI prakAra kevala do hI ghaMToM meM anya mumukSu janoM ko bhI ve AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the, unake adbhuta siddha hue jJAnaprayoga se| use akrama mArga khaa| akrama, arthAt binA krama ke, aura krama arthAt sIr3hI dara sIr3hI, kramAnusAra Upara cddh'naa| akrama arthAt liphTa mArga, zaoNrTa kaTa! ve svayaM pratyeka ko 'dAdA bhagavAna kauna?' kA rahasya batAte hue kahate the ki "yaha jo Apako dikhate hai ve dAdA bhagavAna nahIM hai. ve to 'e.ema.paTela' hai| hama jJAnI puruSa haiM aura bhItara prakaTa hae haiM. ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' haiN| dAdA bhagavAna to caudaha loka ke nAtha haiN| ve Apa meM bhI haiM, sabhI meM haiN| ApameM avyakta rUpa meM rahe hae haiM aura 'yahA~' hamAre bhItara saMpUrNa rUpa se vyakta hue haiN| dAdA bhagavAna ko maiM bhI namaskAra karatA huuN|" 'vyApAra meM dharma honA cAhie, dharma meM vyApAra nahIM', isa siddhAMta se unhoMne pUrA jIvana bitaayaa| jIvana meM kabhI bhI unhoMne kisIke pAsa se paisA nahIM liyA balki apanI kamAI se bhaktoM ko yAtrA karavAte the| AtmajJAna prApti kI pratyakSa liMka 'maiM to kucha logoM ko apane hAthoM siddhi pradAna karanevAlA huuN| pIche anugAmI cAhie ki nahIM cAhie? pIche logoM ko mArga to cAhie na?" - dAdAzrI parama pUjya dAdAzrI gA~va-gA~va, deza-videza paribhramaNa karake mumukSu janoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti karavAte the| ApazrI ne apane jIvanakAla meM hI pUjya DaoN. nIrUbahana amIna (nIrUmA~) ko AtmajJAna prApta karavAne kI jJAnasiddhi pradAna kI thiiN| dAdAzrI ke dehavilaya pazcAt nIrUmA~ vaise hI mumukSujanoM ko satsaMga aura AtmajJAna kI prApti, nimitta bhAva se karavA rahI thii| pUjya dIpakabhAI desAI ko dAdAzrI ne satsaMga karane kI siddhi pradAna kI thii| nIrUmA~ kI upasthiti meM hI unake AzIrvAda se pUjya dIpakabhAI deza-videzo meM kaI jagahoM para jAkara mumukSuoM ko AtmajJAna karavA rahe the, jo nIrUmA~ ke dehavilaya pazcAt Aja bhI jArI hai| isa AtmajJAnaprApti ke bAda hajAroM mumukSu saMsAra meM rahate hue, jimmedAriyA~ nibhAte hue bhI mukta rahakara AtmaramaNatA kA anubhava karate haiN| graMtha meM mudrita vANI mokSArthI ko mArgadarzana meM atyaMta upayogI siddha hogI, lekina mokSaprApti hetu AtmajJAna prApta karanA z2arUrI hai| akrama mArga ke dvArA AtmajJAna kI prApti kA mArga Aja bhI khulA hai| jaise prajvalita dIpaka hI dUsarA dIpaka prajvalita kara sakatA hai, usI prakAra pratyakSa AtmajJAnI se AtmajJAna prApta kara ke hI svayaM kA AtmA jAgRta ho sakatA hai|
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________________ nivedana parama pUjya 'dAdA bhagavAna' ke praznottarI satsaMga meM pUche gaye prazna ke uttara meM unake zrImukha se adhyAtma tathA vyavahAra jJAna saMbaMdhI jo vANI nikalI, usako rikaoNrDa karake, saMkalana tathA saMpAdana karake pustakoM ke rUpa meM prakAzita kiyA jAtA haiN| usI sAkSAta sarasvatI kA adbhuta saMkalana isa pustaka meM huA hai, jo hama sabake lie varadAnarUpa sAbita hogii| prastuta anuvAda kI vAkya racanA hindI vyAkaraNa ke mApadaNDa para zAyada pUrI na utare, parantu pUjya dAdAzrI kI gujarAtI vANI kA zabdaza: hindI anuvAda karane kA prayatna kiyA gayA hai, tAki vAcaka ko aisA anubhava ho ki dAdAjI kI hI vANI sunI jA rahI hai| phira bhI dAdAzrI ke AtmajJAna kA sahI Azaya, jyoM kA tyoM to, Apako gujarAtI bhASA meM hI avagata hogA / jinheM jJAna kI gaharAI meM jAnA ho, jJAna kA sahI marma samajhanA ho, ve isa hetu gujarAtI bhASA sIkheM, aisA hamArA anurodha hai / anuvAda saMbaMdhI kamiyoM ke lie Apase kSamAprArthI haiN| pAThakoM se... isa pustaka meM mudrita pAThyasAmagrI mUlata: gujarAtI 'camatkAra' kA hindI rupAMtara hai| isa pustaka meM 'AtmA' zabda kA prayoga saMskRta aura gujarAtI bhASA kI taraha pulliMga meM kiyA gayA hai| jahA~-jahA~ para 'caMdUlAla' nAma kA prayoga kiyA gayA hai, vahA~-vahA~ pAThaka svayaM kA nAma samajhakara paThana kreN| pustaka meM agara koI bAta Apa samajha na pAe~ to pratyakSa satsaMga meM padhArakara samAdhAna prApta kreN| dAdAzrI ke zrImukha se nikale kucha gujarAtI zabda jyoM ke tyoM 'iTAliksa' meM rakhe gaye haiM, kyoMki una zabdoM ke lie hindI meM aisA koI zabda nahIM hai, jo usakA pUrNa artha de ske| hAlA~ki una zabdoM ke samAnArthI zabda ( ) meM artha ke rUpa meM diye gaye haiN| aise sabhI zabda aura zabdArtha pustaka ke aMta meM bhI die gae haiN| 6 saMpAdakIya logoM kI mAnyatAoM kA pravAha ulTI dizA meM khIMca le jAnevAlA prabala paribala isa kAla meM jagaha-jagaha para chA rahA hai, aura vaha hai camatkAra ke bAre meM taraha-taraha kI aMdhazraddhAoM ko janma denevAle vijJApana ! jisa deza kI prajA camatkAroM ko mAnatI hai, usameM racI-basI rahatI hai| aura pUjatI hai, usa deza ke adhyAtma kA patana kahA~ jAkara rukegA, usakI kalpanA hI ho sake vaisA nahIM hai| camatkAra kaheM kise? buddhi se nahIM samajha meM Ae vaisI bAhara kI kriyA huI, vaha camatkAra ? para usameM buddhi kI samajha kI sApekSatA haraeka vyakti ke lie bhinna-bhinna hotI hai| eka kI buddhi meM nahIM samAe to dUsare kI buddhi meM samAtI hai| buddhi kI sImA bhI haraeka kI bhinna-bhinna hI hai na! isa kAla meM camatkAra kI bhrAMta mAnyatAoM ko jar3amUla se ukhAr3a denevAle parama kRpAlu dAdAzrI sadA kahate the ki, 'camatkAra kI yathArtha Dephinezana to samajhanI cAhie na? para camatkAra kise kahA jAe, vaha Dephinezana isa duniyA meM banI nahIM hai| isalie usakI Dephinezana nahIM hai, vaisA nahIM hai| usakI Dephinezana maiM dene ko taiyAra huuN| camatkAra vaha kahalAtA hai ki dUsarA koI kara hI nahIM ske| aura siddhi use kahate haiM ki jo koI dUsarA usake bAda meM AnevAlA kara ske|' atyAdhunika samaya meM jahA~ buddhi vijJAna ke kSetra meM naye-naye AzcaryoM kI paraMparA sarjita karane meM vikasita huI hai, vahA~ bhArata ke loga buddhi ke dvAra baMda karake bhrAMta zraddhA meM DUbe raheM, vaha nahIM pusAegA / kitanI hI vijJAna kI siddhiyA~ hotI haiM, ve jaba taka jAhira nahIM huIM, taba taka camatkAra mAnI jAtI haiM, para pablika meM prakaTa hone ke bAda vaha camatkAra nahIM khlaatiiN| Aja se sau varSa pahale caMdramA~ para camatkAra kA dAvA karake 7
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________________ padArpaNa karanevAle camatkArika puruSa ko sAkSAt paramAtmA kahakara loga navAjate! aura Aja?!!! dharma meM camatkAra Ajakala bahuta dekhane ko milate haiM, jaise ki mAtAjI kisIke zarIra meM AtI haiM, kumakuma jharatA hai, havA meM se bhasma AtI hai, vastue~ AtI haiM vgairh-vgairh| hamAre loga usase khUba prabhAvita bhI hote haiN| thor3e samaya ke lie aMta:karaNa vahA~ sthaMbhita ho jAtA hai aura du:kha sAre vismRta ho jAte haiM aura AzA kI eka navIna kiraNa prakaTa hotI hai ki, 'hA..., aba mere saba duHkha jaaeNge| deva-deviyoM kI kRpA barasI!' para thor3e hI samaya ke bAda dekheM to saba vaise kA vaisA hii| eka ciMtA kama nahIM huI hotI hai| aMtarazAMti thor3I bhI nahIM huI hotI hai| mAtra bAra-bAra yAda karane lAyaka hI rahatI hai vaha bAta ! hA~, logoM ko utane samaya taka dharma meM pakar3akara rakhatI hai, utanA phAyadA svIkArya hai| taraha-taraha kI pArivArika, sAmAjika yA vyaktigata musIbatoM meM cAroM tarapha se ghire hae, phira bhI zAMti se jIne ke lie athaka prayAsa kara rahe manuSyoM ko jarUrata hai jalana meM se ThaMDaka kI ora le jAne kI, aMdhakAra meM se prakAza kI tarapha rAstA dikhAne kI, na ki thoDe-bahata ujAle ko bhI ghora aMdherA kara dene kI! adhyAtma ke sacce mArga para jAnevAloM, nara meM se nArAyaNa pada para jAnevAloM kI kakSA ke mahAna mUla puruSoM ne kabhI bhI koI camatkAra kiyA nahIM aura unhoMne kabhI bhI camatkAra ko mahatva nahIM diyA hai| bAda ke saMta, bhakta sAmAnya prakAra se samajhI jA sakeM, vaisI bAtoM ko bhI ekjAjareTa (jarUrata se jyAdA bar3A dikhAkara) karake camatkAroM kI taraha dikhAte haiN| bhakti ke bAvarepana meM bhakta bhagavAna ko kyA nahIM kahate? vaha bhI svIkArya hai unake lie| para Aja hama par3he-likhe samajhadAra logoM ko itanA to socanA cAhie ki ina camatkAroM kA sahArA lekara aMta meM hameM milA kyA? kRSNa, rAma yA mahAvIra ne koI camatkAra nahIM kie the aura usa tarapha logoM ko bhramita bhI nahIM kiyA thaa| ve khuda kA Adarza jIvana jI ge| jo Aja logoM ko kathAnuyoga kI taraha kAma meM AtA hai aura dUsarI tarapha adhyAtma kA acIvamenTa kara gae jo ki logoM ko jJAna prApti kI rAha dikhAte haiN| saMkSepa meM, AtmA jAnakara mokSa meM hI jAne kI jJAnavANI kA pratibodha kiyA hai| camatkAra kauna DhUMDhatA hai? DhUMDhane kI z2arUrata kise hai? jise isa saMsAra ke bhautika sukhoM kI kAmanA hai. phira vaha sthala svarUpa yA sUkSma svarUpa kI ho sakatI hai| aura jise bhautika sukhoM se pare, aise mAtra Atmasukha pAne kI lagana hai, unheM Atmasukha se pare, karanevAle camatkAroM kI kyA z2arUrata hai? adhyAtma jagat meM bhI jahA~ aMtima lakSya taka pahu~canA hai aura vaha hai 'maiM kauna hU~' kI pahacAna karanI, Atma tattva kI pahacAna karake niraMtara Atmasukha meM DUbe rahanA hai, vahA~ isa anAtma vibhAga ke lubhAnevAle camatkAroM meM pha~sane kA sthAna kahA~ rahatA hai? mUla puruSoM kI mUla bAta to eka tarapha rahI para unakI kathAe~ sunate rahe, gAte rahe aura usameM se jIvana meM kucha utArA nahIM aura jJAna bhAga ko to dabA hI diyA tale meM! ina mala paruSoM kI mala bAta ko prakAza meM lAkara camatkAra se saMbaMdhita ajJAna mAnyatAoM ko parama pUjya dAdAzrI ne jhakajhora diyA hai| camatkAra ke bAre meM saccI samajha dAdAzrI ne bahuta kar3I vANI meM prastuta kI hai| vAcaka varga ko usake pIche kA Azaya samajhane kI vinatI hai| - DaoN. nIrubahana amIna ke jaya saccidAnaMda
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________________ camatkAra ho, usameM loga kyA kareM? loga eksepTa kyoM kareM? Apa jise camatkAra kahate ho, vaha adhika buddhizAlI ho, vaha kyoM eksepTa kare? isalie camatkAra kI jo Dephinezana Apa samajho to camatkAra kI 'Dephinezana' 'varlDa' meM kisIne dI nahIM hai| phira bhI maiM dene ko taiyAra huuN| camatkAra vaha kahalAtA hai ki dUsarA koI kara hI nahIM sake, vaha camatkAra hai! camatkAra nahIM ho sakatI nakala camatkAra kI camatkAra kise kaheM? praznakartA : adhyAtmika sAdhanA karate hue camatkArika zaktiyA~ AtI haiM, vaha bAta saca hai yA galata? dAdAzrI : nhiiN| aisA hai, yaha camatkAra kI Dephinezana smjho| yaha ginnI hai na, vaha golDa ginnI hai, to usakI Dephinezana cAhie yA nahIM cAhie? yA calegA? vaisA hI tAMbe kA sikkA ho aura usa para gileTa karake lAe~ to Dephinezana nahIM mA~gegA? sikkA vaisA hI hai, golDa jaisA dikhatA hai| golDa hI hai vaisA kaheM to calegA? aba yaha DephinezanavAlA jo hai, usake sAmane gileTavAlA taula meM rakheM to vaha kama par3atA hai| kisalie kama par3atA hai? sonA vaz2ana meM adhika hotA hai| isalie hama kahate haiM ki yaha dUsarA sikkA DephinezanavAlA nahIM hai| usI taraha camatkAra kA bhI DephinezanapUrvaka honA caahie| para camatkAra kise kahA jAe, vaha Dephinezana isa duniyA meM banI nahIM hai| isIlie usakI koI Dephinezana nahIM hai vaisA nahIM kaha skte| haraeka vastu kI Dephinezana hotI hai yA nahIM hotI? Apako kaisA lagatA hai? praznakartA : ThIka hai| dAdAzrI : to camatkAra kI Dephinezana Apa kho| Dephinezana Apako kyA lagatI hai? kyA Dephinezana honI cAhie? praznakartA : kucha bhI nayA ho aura buddhi se bAhara kI bAta ho, vaha cmtkaar| dAdAzrI : vaha camatkAra nahIM hai, kyoMki ApakI buddhi limiTeDa praznakartA : haaN| para usake hI alaga-alaga nAma die haiM ki yaha siddhi kahalAtI hai, yaha phalAnA kahalAtA hai, use hI loga camatkAra kahate haiM na? dAdAzrI: siddhi vaha kahalAtI hai ki jo dUsarA, usake pIche AnevAlA kara ske| aura camatkAra vaha kahalAtA hai ki kisIse bhI kiyA nahIM jA ske| praznakartA : Apane camatkAra kI jo Dephinezana kahI, vaisI Dephinezana to duniyA meM hai hI nahIM! dAdAzrI : vaisI hogI hI nahIM na! vaisI Dephinezana nahIM hone se to loga camatkAra ke gulAma ho gae haiN| camatkAra kA seTha bananA hai, taba camatkAra ke gulAma ho gae haiM! isalie dUsarA koI kara hI nahIM sake, vaha camatkAra kahalAtA hai| kyoMki siddhi utpanna hotI hI rahatI hai hamezA aura usa siddhi ko bhunAe~, taba kama siddhivAlA, use camatkAra kahatA hai aura adhika siddhivAlA usa para tarasa khAtA hai ki yaha siddhi kA durupayoga karane lagA hai! Apako samajha meM AtI hai merI bAta? praznakartA : hA~ jI, hA~ jii| dAdAzrI : siddhi ko bhunAnA matalaba kyA ki Apa sAdhanA karate
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________________ camatkAra karate jo kucha zakti prApta karate ho, usa zakti kA dUsaroM ke lie upayoga karate ho, isalie vaha dUsaroM ke lie bar3A Azcarya ho jAtA hai, use siddhi bhunAnA kahA jAtA hai| aba vaha camatkAra mAnA jAegA kyA? kyoMki dUsarA koI siddhi ko bhunAe to vaisA hI camatkAra ho sakatA hai, isalie dUsarA kara sake vaha camatkAra kahalAtA hI nahIM ! zuddhi vahA~ siddhi aba siddhi yAnI, aisA hai na, 'jJAna' nahIM ho to bhI anaMta- apAra zaktiyA~ hai / ajJAnadazA meM bhI ahaMkAra to hai hI na! para ahaMkAra ko zuddha kare, khuda khuda ke lie kucha bhI upayoga na kare, khuda ke hisse meM AyA ho to bhI dUsaroM ko de de, khuda sakucAkara rahe, to bahuta siddhiyA~ utpanna hotI haiN| arthAt saMyama ke anupAta meM siddhiyA~ utpanna hotI haiM aura vaha bhI AtmajJAna ke binA kharI siddhi to hotI hI nhiiN| ina logoM ko to hRdayazuddhi kI siddhi hotI hai| sirpha hRdayazuddhi hI hotI hai aura jJAna bhale hI na ho, hindustAna ke logoM ko jJAna (AtmajJAna) to hai hI nahIM, parantu hRdayazuddhi hotI hai na, yAnI ki vaha cokhA hotA hai, galata paise bhI nahIM letA hai, galata kharcA bhI nahIM karatA hai, jahA~ eka paise kA bhI durupayoga nahIM hotA, logoM se paise nahIM aiMThatA, aura khuda ke ahaMkAra kA nazA nahIM rakhatA, dUsarA aise gappa nahIM lagAtA ki aisA kara diyA aura usako aisA kara DAlA, vahA~ una logoM ko hRdayazuddhi kI siddhi hotI hai| vaha bahuta acchI cIz2a kahalAtI hai, para vahA~ kucha bhI 'jJAna' nahIM hotaa| siddhi kI similI siddhi kA artha Apako samajhAU~, vaha ApakI bhASA meM Apako samajha meM Ae islie| Apa kauna-se bAz2Ara meM vyApAra karate ho? praznakartA: lohA bAz2Ara meN| dAdAzrI : aba usa pUre lohA bAz2Ara meM vaha vyakti itanA adhika ijz2atadAra mAnA jAtA hai ki 'bhAI, nUra mahammada seTha kI to bAta hI mata camatkAra pUcho, kahanA par3egA una seTha ke lie to !' haraeka vyApArI aisA kahe aura vahA~ pA~ca lAkha rupaye Apane rakhe hoM na, phira Apa kaho ki, 'sAhaba, eka mahIne ke lie maiMne rakhe haiM, to vApisa mileMge?' taba vaha kahe, 'mahInA pUrA ho taba le jaanaa|' taba mahInA pUrA ho aura sabhI vApisa de dete haiN| para phira dUsare loga vApisa rakhakara jAte haiM kyA? kyoM? ve itanA to jAnate haiM ki aba loga paisA dabAte haiM, phira bhI inake yahA~ rakha jAte haiM, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? usane siddhi prApta kI hai| aba siddhi hone ke bAvajUda khuda paise nahIM dabAtA, siddhi kA upayoga nahIM karatA, isa siddhi kA durupayoga nahIM karatA aura durupayoga eka bAra kare to ? siddhi bhunA dii| phira koI paisA udhAra degA nahIM, bApa bhI nahIM degaa| ye dUsarI siddhiyA~ bhI isake jaisI hI haiN| isa udAharaNa para se maiMne similI (upamA) dI hai| aba vaha seTha bAz2Ara meM se dasa lAkha rupaye ikaTThe karake aura phira le aae| phira samaya Ane para vApisa sabako de de aura samaya se de de, isalie kabhI paccIsa lAkha rupaye cAhie to use siddhi hai yA nahIM? praznakartA: isameM vaha siddhi nahIM khlaatii| yaha to normala pAvara kI bAta huI, vyavahAra kI bAta huI, aura siddhi to ebnormala pAvara kI bAta hai| dAdAzrI : hA~, para vaha siddhi bhI isake jaisI hI hai| manuSya ne kisI pAvara kA upayoga nahIM kiyA ho na, to vaha upayogI ho jAtA hai| para phira pAvara kA upayoga kare to siddhi khatama ho jAtI hai ! isalie vaha AdamI calate-phirate paccIsa lAkha rupaye ikaTThe kara sakatA hai, hama nahIM samajha jAe~ ki ohoho, kitanI siddhi rakhatA hai! siddhi kitanI hai isakI ! aise prApta hoM siddhiyA~ aura eka AdamI rupaye jamA karavAne phire to bhI loga kaheMge, 'nahIM bhAI, hama kisIse lete hI nahIM hai abhii|' taba yaha kitanA jhagar3evAlA
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra nahIM hai yaha siddhi praznakartA : para kAphI kucha yogiyoM ko camatkAra Ate haiM, jo sAmAnya prakAra se loga dekha nahIM sakate, samajha nahIM sakate, aisI vastue~ ve loga kara sakate haiN| unake pAsa siddhiyA~ hotI haiM, kucha vizeSa zaktiyA~ hotI haiM, vaha kyA hai? hogA ki koI paise lene ko bhI taiyAra nahIM hai?! vaha kyA hai, vaha Apako smjhaauuN| Apa aisA kaho ki maiMne kisIke paise nahIM rakhe, phira bhI mere vahA~ loga paise kyoM nahIM rakhakara jAte? aura kitane hI logoM ke vahA~ lAkhoM rupaye jamA rakhakara jAte haiM! yaha to Apako udAharaNa de rahA haiN| Apake aMdara ke jo bhAva, ApakI zraddhA, ApakA vartana usa prakAra kA hai ki Apake vahA~ koI paisA jamA karavAkara nahIM jAegA aura jisake bhAva meM niraMtara isa taraha de denI kI icchA hai, kisIkA lene se pahale de dene kI icchA ho, aisA DisIz2ana hI ho aura vartana meM bhI vaisA ho aura zraddhA meM bhI vaisA ho, nizcaya meM bhI vaisA ho, usake vahA~ loga rakha Ate haiM! kyoMki usane siddhi prApta kI hai| kyA siddhi prApta kI hai? ki sabako paise vApisa de detA hai| mA~gate hI turanta vApisa de detA hai aura jo mA~gane para bhI vApisa nahIM de, to usakI siddhi khatama ho jAtI hai| jaisI yaha paisoM ke lie siddhi hai, vaisI hI ye dasarI taraha-taraha kI siddhiyA~ utpanna hotI haiN| siddhi matalaba khuda kA ekadama regyulara khAtA rakhanA aura adhika siddhi to kauna-sI hotI hai? jo kucha use sabhI loga khAne ko deM, vahA~ kama khAkara bhI logoM ko khuda bhojana karavA de, use adhika siddhiyA~ utpanna hotI haiN| apane yahA~ aise saMta hue haiN| yahA~ eka vyakti kisIko bhI gAliyA~ nahIM detA ho, kisIko DA~TatA bhI nahIM ho, kisIko du:kha nahIM detA ho, usakA zIla itanA adhika hotA hai ki use dekhate hI saba AnaMdita ho jAte haiN| vaha bhI siddhi utpanna huI kahalAtI hai| phira kisI vyakti ne kucha nizcita kiyA ho ki mujhe isa-isa prakAra kA bhojana nahIM lenA hai| vaha khAnA baMda kara diyA, usa samaya use siddhi utpanna hotI hai| vaise hI eka vyakti pyAz2a nahIM khAtA ho aura use rAste meM pyAz2a par3I ho to bhI gaMdha AtI hai aura Apako to yahA~ pAsa meM par3I ho to bhI usakI gaMdha nahIM aatii| Apane khuda ne pyAz2a khAI ho to bhI gaMdha nahIM aatii| vaisA siddhiyoM ke lie hotA hai! dAdAzrI : vizeSa zaktiyA~ Apane kina logoM meM dekhI haiM? abhI to camatkAra ke lie kisIne inAma ghoSita kiyA hai na, vahA~ eka bhI vyakti khar3A nahIM rahatA hai| yAnI vizeSa zaktiyA~ eka ke pAsa bhI nahIM hai| kahA~ se lAe~? camatkAra to hote hoMge? sirpha eka yazanAma karma hotA hai ki bhAI, inakA nAma leM, to aisA ho jAtA hai| yA phira zuddha hRdaya kA vyakti ho na, to usake kahe anusAra saba ho jAtA hai| aisI hRdayazuddhi kI siddhiyA~ hotI haiN| praznakartA : para yogavidyA se kucha aisI zaktiyA~ prApta hotI haiM na? kucha camatkAra ho sakeM vaisI siddhiyA~ prApta karate haiM na? dAdAzrI : siddhiyA~ kucha bhI prApta nahIM hotI haiN| yAnI camatkAra ho sake vaisI siddhiyA~ hI nahIM hotii| praznakartA : ye yogI loga sira para hAtha rakhakara zaktipAta karate haiM aura phira usase sAmanevAle ko zAMti milatI hai, vaha bhI siddhi kahalAtI hai na? dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, abhI baiThA nahIM jA sakatA ho, bolA nahIM jA sakatA ho, para jar3IbUTI ghisakara pilAe~ na, to kyA ho jAtA hai? calane-bolane lagatA hai, vaisA ina mAnasika paramANuoM kA hotA hai| para usase phAyadA kyA? koI aisA vyakti janmA hai ki jisane kisI vyakti ko marane hI nahIM diyA ho?! to hama jAneM ki calo vahA~ to hameM jAnA hI pdd'egaa| apane mA~-bApa ko nahIM marane diyA ho, apane bhAI ko nahIM marane diyA ho, vaisA koI janmA hai? to phira isameM kaisI siddhiyA~?
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra ina coroM ko aisI-aisI siddhiyA~ hotI haiM ki nizcita kareM ki Aja mujhe isa jagaha para isa samaya para hI corI karanI hai| usa samaya ekjekTa ho jAtI hai, ve siddhiyA~ kama kahalAe~gI? usameM vaha niyama pAlate haiM saare| aura niyama pAlane se siddhi utpanna hotI hai| aba apane loga siddhi kise kahate haiM, vaha maiM Apako batAtA huuN| koI zIlavAna puruSa ho, to vaha aMdhere meM muhalle meM praveza kare, pUrA muhallA sA~pa se hI bharA huA ho, aise sA~pa hI calate rahate hoM aura vaha zIlavAna naMge paira vahA~ usa muhalle meM praveza kare, usa ghar3I aMdhere meM use patA nahIM calegA ki aMdara sA~pa the yA nahIM? kyA kAraNa hogA kaho? usakI siddhi hogI? pUre muhalle meM eka iMca bhI binA sA~pa kI jagaha nahIM hai| para yadi usa ghar3I vaha praveza kare to sA~pa the, aisA usake rAste meM nahIM hotaa| kyoMki thor3A bhI yadi sA~pa use chae to sA~pa jala jaae| isalie sA~pa aise eka-dUsare para car3ha jAte haiN| aMdhere meM Age se Age eka-dUsare ke Upara car3ha jAte haiN| vaisA to usakA tApa lagatA hai| aba, vaisA kabhI loga dekheM na, to kyA kaheMge? ki ohoho, kaisI siddhi hai! yaha to usakA zIla hai| ajJAnI ho to bhI zIla utpanna hotA hai, para saMpUrNa zIla utpanna nahIM hotA, ahaMkAra hai na? saMtoM kI siddhi, saMsArArtha praznakartA : kucha saMta to barasAta karavAte the| to vaha siddhi hai yA nahIM? sunI hai, usane jisake pAsa se sunI thI, aisI pratyakSa do-tIna pIr3hiyoM se dekhakara sunAI gaI bAta hai| eka sAla bar3audA meM akAla par3A thaa| to rAjA ko eka vyakti ne jAkara kahA ki, 'eka mahArAja Ae haiN| ve to aise hI barasAta kara deM vaise haiN|' taba rAjA ne kahA, 'nahIM ho sakatA aisA. kisa taraha se manuSya barasAta karavA sakatA hai?' taba usane kahA, 'nahIM, ve mahArAja aise haiM ki barasAta karavA sakate haiM!' isalie phira nagara ke bar3e-bar3e seTha the, ve ikaTThe hue aura gA~va ke paTela saba ikaTThe hue aura Akara sabhI nagaraseThoM se bAta kii| nagaraseTha rAjA se kahate haiM ki, 'hA~, sAhaba, una mahArAja ko bulaaie| nahIM to akAla meM to yaha pablika mara jaaegii|' taba rAjA ne kahA, 'hA~, to Ane do una mahArAja ko!' isalie phira saba una mahArAja ke pAsa phuNce| taba ve mahArAja bhI kyA kahate haiM? 'aise bAriza nahIM ho jaaegii| hameM gaddI para bitthaao|' to rAjA khuda dUsarI jagaha baiThe aura una mahArAja ko gaddI para baitthaayaa| lAlaca hai na! rAjA ko bhI lAlaca ho jAe taba kyA? sabakucha hI sauMpa de! aba ye mahArAja eka tarapha gaddI para pezAba kareM aura bAhara mUsalAdhAra bAriza brse| isa taraha utpanna huI siddhiyoM kA ye loga upayoga kara dete haiM ! isalie ajJAniyoM kI to ye sabhI siddhiyA~ kharca ho jAnevAlI haiN| ve kamAte bhI haiM aura kharca bhI ho jAtI haiM becAroM kii| jJAnI siddhiyoM kA upayoga nahIM krte| bhagavAna bhI siddhiyoM kA upayoga nahIM krte| nahIM to mahAvIra bhagavAna ne eka hI siddhi kA upayoga kiyA hotA na, to duniyA U~cI-nIcI ho jaatii| tIrthaMkaroM kI siddhiyA~, mokSArtha bhagavAna mahAvIra ke do ziSyoM ko gozAlA ne tejolezyA chor3akara bhasmIbhUta kara diyA thaa| taba dUsare ziSyoM ne bhagavAna se kahA, vinatI kI ki, 'bhagavAna Apa tIrthaMkara bhagavAna hokara, yadi hamArA rakSaNa nahIM kara sakeMge to duniyA meM phira rakSaNa hI kauna degA?' taba kyA rakSaNa de sakeM vaise nahIM the bhagavAna mahAvIra? ina saba siddhiyoMvAloM se to ve kucha kacce the? kaise bhagavAna, tIrthaMkara bhagavAna! kyA javAba diyA jAnate ho Apa? dAdAzrI : phira bhI yaha barasAta to apanI sarakAra kucha kemikala chir3akatI hai na, taba bhI nahIM ho jAtI? hotI hai! aura kharI siddhiyoMvAle to aisI barasAta nahIM krvaate| aisI siddhi ajJAnI ko utpanna hotI hai, para lAlaca ke mAre phira usakA upayoga kara detA hai| yahA~ para, bar3audA meM barasAta nahIM ho rahI thii| taba koI mahArAja Ae the| ve kahate haiM, 'maiM barasAta krvaauuNgaa|' isalie yaha to eka ghaTanA huI thI usakI bAta kaha rahA huuN| ho cukI matalaba maiMne khuda dekhI nahIM para maiMne jisake pAsa se
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________________ camatkAra 10 camatkAra bhagavAna kahate haiM, 'maiM jIvanadAtA nahIM hU~, maiM mokSadAtA huuN| maiM, koI mare use jIvana kA dAna denevAlA nahIM hU~, maiM mokSa kA dAna dene AyA hU~!' aba una logoM ko to aisA hI lage na ki aise garu se to dUsare guru banAe hote to acchA thaa| para mere jaise ko to kitanA AnaMda ho jAe! dhanyabhAgya guru ye! kahanA par3egA! inake hI ziSya hone kI z2arUrata hai| to unakA hI ziSya banA thaa| unhIM mahAvIra kA ziSya banA thaa| kaise bhagavAna mahAvIra! gozAlA ne dhokhA diyA, bahata sAroM ne unheM dhokhA diyA, para bhagavAna Tasa se masa nahIM hue, siddhi kA upayoga nahIM kiyA! phira gozAlA ne bhagavAna para kyA kiyA thA, jAnate ho Apa? tejolezyA chor3I thii| una do ziSyoM para bhI tejolezyA hI chor3I thI usane, ve khatma ho gae, vaise hI bhagavAna bhI khatma ho jAte, para bhagavAna to carama zarIrI the isalie una para kisI bhI prakAra kA ghAta nahIM ho sakatA thaa| carama zarIra to kATane se kaTatA nahIM, pudgala bhI vaisA suMdara! para phira chaha mahInoM taka saMDAsa meM bahuta rakta niklaa| phira bhI usa puruSa ne thor3I-sI bhI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM kiyA ! siddhi kA durupayoga na kareM ve jJAnI aura 'jJAnI puruSa' bhI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM krte| hamArA sahaja hI hAtha chU jAe na to bhI sAmanevAle kA kalyANa ho jaae| bAqI, 'jJAnI puruSa' apane ghara para bhI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM karate aura bAhara bhI nahIM karate, zarIra ke lie bhI upayoga nahIM karate! kisalie DaoNkTara ke pAsa jAe~? ye DaoNkTara to kahate haiM, 'Apako jJAnI puruSa ko kisalie AnA par3atA hai?' taba maiMne kahA, 'maiM pezenTa hU~, isalie AnA par3atA hai|' matalaba deha ke lie bhI kisI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM karanA hai| ajJAnI to siddhi ko jahA~-tahA~ kharca kara detA hai| jitanI usake pAsa ikaTThI huI ho, to logoM ne use 'bApajI, bApajI' kahA to vaha vahA~ kharca ho jAtI hai| jaba ki jJAnI ke pAsa to, unakI jitanI jamA huI ho na, usameM se eka AnA bhI siddhi kharca nahIM hotii| aura 'jJAnI puruSa' to gaz2aba hI kahalAte haiN| jagat to abhI taka unheM samajhA hI nahIM hai| unakI siddhiyA~ to, hAtha lagAe~ aura kAma ho jaae| ye yahA~ jo logoM meM saba parivartana hae haiM na, vaise kisIse eka vyakti meM bhI parivartana nahIM hue haiN| yaha to Apane dekhA na?! kyA parivartana hue haiM? bAqI yaha to kabhI huA hI nahIM, prakRti badalatI hI nahIM manuSya kI! para vaha bhI huA hai apane yahA~! aba ye to bar3e-bar3e camatkAra kahalAte haiM, gaz2aba ke camatkAra kahalAte haiN| itanI umra meM ye bhAI kahate haiM ki, 'merA to, merA ghara svarga jaisA ho gayA hai, svarga meM bhI aisA nahIM hogA!' praznakartA : vahI zakti hai na! dAdAzrI : gaz2aba kI zakti hotI hai 'jJAnI puruSa' meM to, hAtha lagAe~ aura kAma ho jAe! para hama siddhi kA upayoga nahIM krte| hameM to kabhI bhI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM karanA hotA hai| yaha to sahaja utpanna huI hotI haiM, hama upayoga kareM to siddhi khatama ho jAe! ye dUsare sabhI logoM kI to siddhi vApisa kharca ho jAtI hai, kamAyA ho vaha kharca ho jAtA hai| ApakI to kharca nahIM ho jAtI na? / praznakartA : nA, kharca nahIM kreNge| para vaisI siddhi utpanna hoM to acchA / dAdAzrI : are, thor3A yadi car3hAe~ na Apako, to turanta hI siddhi kA upayoga kara doge Apa! aura hameM car3hAo dekheM, hama eka bhI siddhi kA upayoga nahIM kareMge! jinake pAsa itanI sArI siddhiyA~ hone ke bAvajUda, unhoMne eka phUMka mArI hotI to jagat ulTA-sIdhA ho jAe, utanI zakti rakhanevAle mahAvIra, aise bhagavAna mahAvIra ne kyA kahA? 'maiM jIvanadAtA nahIM hU~, maiM mokSadAtA hU~!' aba vahA~ yadi yaha siddhi bhunA dI hotI mahAvIra ne, to unakA tIrthakarapana calA jAtA! ina ziSyoM ke kahane se car3ha gae hote mahAvIra, to tIrthaMkarapana calA jaataa| para bhagavAna car3he nahIM, zAyada mere
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________________ camatkAra 12 camatkAra Diprezana meM ho nahIM sakate haiN| elivezana meM to rahate hI nahIM para Diprezana bhI nahIM hotA! ve paramAnaMda meM hI hote haiM! jaisA car3ha jAe! jaba ki maiM bhI caDhU~ vaisA nahIM huuN| maiMne car3hakara hI to mAra khAI hai, isalie aba sAvadhAna ho gayA huuN| matalaba eka bAra coTa laga gaI ho to phira se lagane deMge kyA? isalie bhagavAna camatkAra nahIM karate aura siddhi kA upayoga bhI nahIM krte| siddhi kA durupayoga karane se, qImata kaur3I kI matalaba siddhi samajhe na Apa? abhI mujhe karor3a-do karor3a rupaye ikaTThe karane hoM to ho sakate haiM kyA? mere bolate hI ho jaaeN| loga to pUrI jAyadAda dene ke lie taiyAra haiM, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? siddhi hai mere paas| usako maiM bhunAU~ to mere pAsa rahA kyA phira? kitane prayoga karake yaha siddhi prApta hotI hai aura mujhe paisoM kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| para merI jo dUsarI siddhiyA~ haiM, AMtarika siddhiyA~ haiM, ve to jabaradasta siddhiyA~ haiN| para bhagavAna mahAvIra ne siddhiyoM ko bhunAyA nhiiN| bhagavAna kacce nahIM pdd'e| to maiM bhI unakA ziSya huuN| bahuta pakkA ziSya huuN| maiM gozAlA jaisA nahIM huuN| bahuta pakkA ziSya, asala! aura vaha itanA pakkA ki pUrA jagat hI viruddha ho jAe to bhI DarU~ nahIM aisA pakkA huuN| phira usase adhika kyA pramANa cAhie? siddhi kA durupayoga nahIM karatA, isalie na! aura yadi siddhi kA darupayoga kareM to? kala cAra Ane ke ho jAe~ dAdA! phira loga 'jAne do na, dAdA ne to aMdara-aMdara lenA zurU kara diyA hai!' kheNge| para maiM gAranTI ke sAtha kahatA hU~ ki yahA~ sIkresI jaisI vastu hI nahIM hai| caubIsoM ghaMTe, cAhe jaba tujhe dekhanA ho taba A jA yahA~, sIkresI hI nahIM hai jahA~ para! aura jahA~ sIkresI nahIM hai vahA~ kucha hai hI nahIM aura 'kucha hai' vAle sIkreTa hote haiN| unake ruma meM kucha khAsa samaya taka ghusane nahIM dete| yahA~ to cAhe jisa samaya, eTa enI TAima praveza kara sakate haiM. rAta ko bAraha baje. eka baje! koI sIkresI hI nahIM, phira kyA? sIkresI nahIM vaise koI Diprezana dekhane meM nahIM aataa| cAhe jaba 'eTa enI TAima', kisI bhI minaTa dAdA to mujhe ina siddhiyoM kA upayoga karanA ho to samaya lagegA kyA? kyoM samaya lagegA?! jo mA~ge vaha mile, para maiM bhikhArI nahIM huuN| kyoMki 'jJAnI puruSa' kise kahA jAtA hai? striyoM kI bhIkha nahIM, lakSmI kI bhIkha nahIM, sone kI bhIkha nahIM, mAna kI bhIkha nahIM, kIrti kI bhIkha nahIM, kisI bhI prakAra kI bhIkha nahIM ho taba yaha pada prApta hotA hai! Ae Aphata dharma para, taba... bAqI, jJAnI puruSa to dehadhArI paramAtmA hI kahalAte haiN| isalie vaha bAta to alaga hI hai na?! ve cAheM utanA kara sakate haiM, para ve karate nahIM haiM na, vaisI jokhimadArI mola hI nahIM lete na! hA~, yadi dharma daba rahA ho, dharma para Aphata A rahI ho, dharma muzkila meM ho taba karate haiM, nahIM to nahIM krte| praznakartA : matalaba laukika dharma para kucha Aphata Ae, taba 'jJAnI puruSa' siddhiyoM kA upayoga karate haiM? dAdAzrI : nahIM, laukika dharma para nahIM, sirpha dharma matalaba jo alaukika vastu hai na, vahA~ Aphata AI ho taba siddhi kA upayoga karate haiN| bAqI, yaha laukika dharma to logoM kA mAnA haA dharma hai, usake koI ThikAne hI kahA~ haiM? apane mahAtmA muzkila meM hoM, taba upayoga karanI hI par3atI hai na! vaha bhI, hama siddhi kA upayoga nahIM krte| vaha to sirpha pahacAna se (devI-devatAoM ko) khabara hI dete haiN| siddhi to yoM hI kharca kI hI nahIM jA sakatI na! praznakartA : siddhi utpanna ho aura upayoga nahIM kareM, to phira usakA artha kyA? dAdAzrI : jo upayoga kare usakI jimmedArI AtI hai| vaha siddhi to apane Apa hI kharca ho jAtI hai, hameM kharca nahIM karanI hotii|
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra praznakartA : siddhi kA yadi upayoga nahIM honA ho to phira vaha siddhi kAma kyA AegI? dAdAzrI : aisA hai, siddhi matalaba siddha hone ke aMza! ve aMza hama siddha hone se pahale hI bhunA leM to siddha ho sakeMge kyA?! bAqI manuSya jaise-jaise U~cA jAtA hai na, vaise-vaise siddhi utpanna hotI hai| aba usa siddhi kA durupayoga ho taba siddhi khatama ho jAtI hai| nahIM hai camatkAra duniyA meM kahIM bhI? yAnI yaha to siddhi kA upayoga karate haiM, use apane loga camatkAra kahate haiN| to phira dUsarA siddhi kA upayoga kare vaha bhI camatkAra khlaaegaa| para vaha camatkAra nahIM khlaataa| camatkAra to, dUsarA koI nahIM kara sake, vaha camatkAra kahalAtA hai| dUsarA kare matalaba usakA artha utanA hI ki Apa bhI usa DigrI para jAoge, taba Apa apanI siddhi bhanA doge to use bhI vaisA hI camatkAra mAnA jAegA aura nahIM bhunAe usake pAsa camatkAra nahIM hai?! merI barAbarI kA baiThA ho to vaha mere jaisA hI sabakucha karegA yA nahIM karegA? avazya hogaa| isalie vaha camatkAra nahIM mAne jaate| vaha to bAya proDakTa haiM siddhi ke! merI icchA nahIM hai ki aise camatkAra karU~, para phira bhI itanA bAya proDakTa hai, yAnI yazanAma karma hai usake kAraNa yaha prApta hotA hai! kiyA?!' jo vidyA dUsaroM ko sikhAI jA sake aura phira dUsarA kare to phira use camatkAra nahIM kaha skte| camatkAra dUsarA koI vyakti kara hI nahIM sakatA! isalie yaha camatkAra nahIM kahA jA sktaa| isalie camatkAra kisI jagaha para mAnanA nhiiN| koI camatkArI puruSa duniyA meM huA hI nahIM! chupI hai vahA~ koI bhIkha camatkAra karanevAlA to koI abhI taka paidA hI nahIM haA hai duniyA meM! camatkAra to kise kahA jAtA hai? ina sUryanArAyaNa ko yahA~ hAtha meM lekara Ae, to use hama bar3e se bar3A camatkAra kheNge| jaba ki ye dUsare to camatkAra mAne hI nahIM jAe~ge! kadAcita koI vyakti sUryanArAyaNa ko hAtha meM lekara Ae to bhI vaha camatkAra nahIM khlaaegaa| kyoMki use kucha bhUkha hai, bhUkhA hai kisI cIz2a kA vaha ! hama to use kaheM ki, 'kisake bhikhArI ho, ki unheM vahA~ se hilAyA? ve jahA~ se prakAzamAna kara rahe haiM, vahA~ se tU kisalie hilAtA hai? vahA~ se yahA~ lAne kA kAraNa kyA thA? tU kisI cIja kA bhikhArI hai| isalie tU yaha lAyA hai na?' kisI cIz2a kA icchuka ho, vaha lAegA na? koI bhI icchA hogI, viSaya kI icchA hogI, mAna kI icchA hogI yA lakSmI kI icchA hogii| 'yadi tU lakSmI kA bhikhArI hai, to tujhe hama sArI lakSmI ikaTThI karake deNge| aba sUryanArAyaNa ko hilAnA nhiiN| isalie jA tU unheM vApisa rakha de!' kyA jarUrata hai usakI? sUryanArAyaNa vahA~ para haiM, para vaha yahA~ para dikhAvA karane ke lie lAyA hai? saccA puruSa to kisI cIz2a ko hilAtA nhiiN| phira ulTA-sIdhA kucha kareM, hama usakI dAnata nahIM samajha jAte ki dAnata kharAba hai usakI! aura usase hameM kyA phAyadA hogA? hamArI eka pahara kI bhUkha bhI nahIM miTegI! abhI devatAoM ko yahA~ bulAkara darzana karavAe, to bhI hameM kyA phAyadA? ve bhI vyApArI aura hama bhI vyApArI! hA~, mokSa jAnevAle hoM aise 'jJAnI puruSa' yA tIrthakara hoM to hameM phAyadA hogaa| jinake darzana karane se hI apane bhAva pra-bhAva ko prApta hoM, bhAva U~ce Ae~ to kAma kA! yAnI dUsarA koI na kara sake, vaha camatkAra kahalAtA hai! yaha Dephinezana Apako pasaMda Ae to svIkAra krnaa| aura nahIM to yaha Dephinezana hamArI svataMtra hai| kisI pustaka kI likhI huI nahIM kahatA isa camatkAra kA artha Apako samajha meM AyA na? koI kahe, 'maiMne yaha camatkAra kiyA' to Apa kyA kahoge? ki 'yaha to dUsarA bhI kara sakatA hai, ApakI DigrI taka pahu~cA huA vyakti, usameM Apane kyA
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________________ camatkAra isalie jahA~ samajhadAra loga hote haiM na, jinakI phUlizanesa khatama ho gaI hai na, ve loga camatkAra ko mAnate hI nhiiN| yaha camatkAra to buddhuoM ko buddha banAne kA mArga hai, samajhadAroM ko nahIM !! isalie maiMne ina sabhI se kahA huA hai ki Upara se sUryanArAyaNa bhI koI lAkara dikhAe to sabase pahale pUchanA ki 'tU kisa cIz2a kA bhikhArI hai, vaha tU batA hameM eka bAra ? !' aba itanA bar3A to koI kara sake aisA nahIM hai na? to dUsare to ye camatkAra kahalAte hI nahIM ! camatkAra yA vijJAna? praznakartA: to yaha camatkAra jaisI jo vastu kahate haiM vaha mesmerIz2ama ( sammohana ) hai ? vaha vAstava meM kyA hai? dAdAzrI : camatkAra matalaba mUrkha banAne kA dhaMdhA ! hameM samajha meM nahIM Ae na, use hama camatkAra kahate haiN| para vaha hotA kyA hai? vaha vijJAna hai| jo vijJAna hama nahIM jAnate hoM, use camatkAra ke rUpa meM dikhAte haiM aura dUsarA, ve naz2arabaMdI karate haiN| bAqI, yaha camatkAra jaisA to hotA hI nahIM hai, itanA to Apako pakkA mAna lenA hai| jahA~ kiMcit mAtra camatkAra hai, vaha jAdUgarI kahalAtA hai| praznakartA: para dAdA, kucha loga camatkAra to karake batAte haiM na sabhI ko aura sabhI ko camatkAra dikhatA bhI hai na! dAdAzrI : vaha to vijJAna nahIM jAnane ke kAraNa camatkAra lagatA hai| apane yahA~ eka mahAtmA ko camatkAra karanA AtA hai| maiMne use kahA, 'tU camatkAra karatA hai, para camatkAra to galata bAta hai|' taba usane kahA, 'dAdAjI, vaha to Apa aisA kaha sakate haiN| mujhase to aisA nahIM kahA jAegA na!' maiMne kahA, 'tU camatkAra karatA hai, vaha kyA hai, vaha mujhe dikhA to sahI!' usane kahA, 'hA~, dikhAtA huuN|' phira use prayoga karane ke lie bitthaayaa| usane dasa paise kA sikkA eka bhAI ke hAtha meM diyA aura muThThI meM baMda rkhvaayaa| phira usane kyA kiyA? eka diyAsalAI sulagAkara dUra rakhakara aise-aise, aise dUra se hAtha ghUmAkara maMtra par3hane lgaa| thor3I dera meM 16 camatkAra vaha sikkA aMdara muThThI meM garama hone lgaa| isalie usane phira dUsarI diyAsalAI sulgaaii| usase pahale to vaha sikkA itanA adhika garama ho gayA ki usane sikkA chor3a diyA, jala jAe vaisA thA ! phira maiMne usase kahA, 'dUsare camatkAra karane hoM to kara, para tU isa camatkAra kA mujhe khulAsA kara de|' taba usane kahA, 'usameM aisI cIjeM AtI haiM, kemikalsa ki hama vaha kemikalsa sikke para aise thor3A ghisate haiM aura phira de dete haiM, usa ghar3I ThaMDA barpha jaisA hotA hai| thor3A TAima hone para garama garama ho jAtA hai|' isalie yaha sAinsa hai, camatkAra nahIM hai! yA phira hama jo jAnate nahIM haiM ki vaha vijJAna hai yA dUsarA kucha usakI hAtha kI saphAI hai / aura koI aisA kareM, taba hama itanA kaha sakate haiM ki 'ApakI cAlAkI ko dhanya hai ki mere jaise ko bhI ulajhana meM DAla dete ho Apa !' itanA kaha sakate haiM para 'Apa camatkAra karate ho' aisA nahIM bola sakate! talI pakaur3iyA~ kAgaja kI kar3hAI meM !!! maiM aTThAIsa sAla kA thA, taba hamAre daseka dosta baiThe hue the, taba camatkAra kI bAta niklii| taba to mujhameM ahaMkArI guNa thA na, isalie ahaMkAra turanta phUTa par3atA thaa| ahaMkAra phUTe bagaira rahatA nahIM thaa| isalie maiM bola uThA ki, 'kyA camatkAra - camatkAra karate ho? le, camatkAra maiM kara duuN|' taba sabane kahA, 'Apa kyA camatkAra karate ho?' taba maiMne kahA, 'yaha kAgaz2a hai| usakI kar3hAI meM pakaur3iyA~ tala dU~, bolo!' taba sabane kahA, 'are, vaisA hotA hogA? yaha to kucha pAgala jaisI bAta kara rahe ho?" maiMne kahA, 'kAgaz2a kI kar3hAI banAkara, aMdara tela DAlakara, sTova para rakhakara pakaur3iyA~ banAkara dU~ aura Apa sabhI ko eka-eka khilAU~ / ' taba sabane kahA, 'hamArI sau rupaye kI shrt|' maiMne kahA, 'nhiiN| usa zarta ke lie yaha nahIM karanA hai| hameM ghur3asavArI nahIM karanI hai| sau ke badale dasa rupaye nikaalnaa| usake bAda hama cAya-nAztA kreNge|' aura una dinoM to dasa rupaye meM to bahuta kucha ho jAtA thA ! hamAre vahA~ bar3audA meM nyAya maMdira hai, usakA bar3A senTrala haoNla thA / vahA~ eka vyakti kI jAna pahacAna thii| isalie vahA~ haoNla meM yaha prayoga
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra rakhA gyaa| bahuta loga ikaTThe nahIM hue the| dasa hama aura dUsare pA~capaccIsa loga the| vahA~ maiMne yaha prayoga kiyA aura eka sTova ma~gavAyA, kAgaz2a kI kar3hAI banAI aura pakaur3I kA ghola bnaayaa| aise pakaur3iyA~ to mujhe banAnI AtI thiiN| bacapana meM khAne kI Adata thI na, isalie ghara para koI nahIM ho to hama khuda hI banAkara khA leN| isalie ye yahA~ para maiMne to tela rakhA aura kar3hAI sTova para rakhate hI pahale maiMne kyA kiyA? aisA kiyaa| hAtha U~ce-nIce karake jAdumaMtara bole, vaha abhinaya kiyaa| isalie ve loga saba aise samajhe ki yaha kucha maMtra pddh'aa| kyoMki vaisA nahIM karU~ to ve loga Dara jaaeN| matalaba himmata rahe isalie kiyaa| nahIM to unake Dara kA asara mujha para par3atA, 'sAikolojI' par3atI hai na? ki abhI jala jAegA! vaha maMtra par3hA na isalie loga utkaMThA se dekhate hI rahe ki koI maMtra par3hA hogA! phira maiMne kar3hAI sTova para rkhii| para jalI nahIM isalie ve samajhe ki maiMne z2arUra maMtra bolA hai! tela garama huA aura phira eka-eka pakaur3I aMdara rkhii| pakauDI to aMdara pakane lagIM! phira dasa-bAraha pakaur3iyA~ banAI aura sabako eka-eka khilaaii| jarA zAyada kaccI raha gaI hogii| kyoMki yaha bar3A nahIM banatA na! bartana choTA na! yaha to sirpha utanA unheM samajhAne ke lie karanA thA ki yaha ho sakatA hai| phira saba mujhe kahane lage ki, 'Apa to camatkAra karanA jAnate ho, nahIM to yaha to kahIM hotA hai?' maiMne kahA, 'yaha tujhe sikhAU~ taba tU bhI kara skegaa| jo dUsaroM ko AtA hai, use camatkAra nahIM kaha skte|' maiM Apako eka bAra kAgaz2a kI kar3hAI meM pakaur3iyA~ banAkara batAU~ isalie phira dUsare dina phira Apa banA skoge| Apako zraddhA baiTha jAnI cAhie ki yaha maMtra bole binA ho sakatA hai| taba Apase ho sakegA! yAnI koI bhI vyakti aisA nahIM hai ki jise camatkAra AtA ho| yaha to saba vijJAna hai| vijJAna kA svabhAva hai, yadi kAgaz2a meM tela rakho to kaisI sthiti meM kAgaz2a jala jAtA hai aura kaisI sthiti meM kAgaz2a nahIM jalatA, vaha vijJAna jAnatA hai| nIce sTova jale. Upara tela hai, para kaunasI sthiti meM kAgaz2a nahIM jalatA! yaha to maiMne khuda anubhava kiyA hai| praznakartA : kAgaz2a jalA nahIM, vaha kisa taraha? dAdAzrI : usakA tarIkA nahIM hai, vaha to kAgaz2a kA svabhAva hI aisA hai ki yadi nIce thor3A bhI tela lagA huA hotA na, to visphoTa hotaa| praznakartA : para kAgaz2a to tela sokhatA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, tela sokhatA hai| aMdara tela sokhA haA dikhatA hai hmeN| usakA dAg2a dikhatA hai| para tela TapakAtA huA nahIM dikhtaa| Azcarya hai yaha eka! aura vaha kAgaz2a kA vaijJAnika svabhAva hai| para buddhi to aisA hI kahegI na ki kAgaz2a ko agni jalA detI hai aura telavAlA hai, isalie jaldI jala jaaegaa| para nahIM, kAgaz2a ke nIce tela Tapaka rahA hotA to jala jaataa| isalie vijJAna kI kitanI hI bAteM jAnanI caahie| yaha to unakI mati pahu~catI nahIM hai, isalie ise camatkAra kI taraha loga eksepTa bhI karate haiM ! mati pahu~catI ho, use dUsare vicAra bhI Ae~ge ! ye bar3ebar3e darpaNa rakhate haiM, ve dhar3Aka se TUTa jAte haiM! use saba loga, camatkAra kiyA, aisA kahate haiN| para yaha to saba auSadhiyA~ haiM vijJAna kI! yAnI koI dehadhArI manuSya camatkAra nahIM kara sktaa| aura yA to hama usa vijJAna ke jAnakAra nahIM hoM, to vaha vijJAnavAlA manuSya hameM mUrkha banAtA hai ki 'yaha dekho maiM karatA huuN|' taba hameM aisA lagatA hai ki yaha camatkAra kiyA aura vijJAna jAnane ke bAda vaha camatkAra do Take kA! bhagavAna ne bhI bhoge karma isalie yaha saba pha~sAva hai| aura sabhI kA mAnanA cAhie, para vaha sAinsa kabUla kare vaisA ho to mAnanA caahie| aise gappa nahIM honI caahie| aisA galata nahIM honA caahie| kyoMki kRSNa bhagavAna ko Apa jAnate ho? ye kRSNa bhagavAna aise paira para paira car3hAkara so gae the aura zikArI ko aisA lagA ki hiraNa hai vh| usa becAre ne tIra maaraa| aura tIra lagA aura bhagavAna ne deha chor3a dI, vaha bAta jAnate ho? jabaki ve
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra to nArAyaNa svarUpa the| vaha jAnate ho Apa? Apako unakI jitanI kImata nahIM hai, utanI qImata hameM hai| kyoMki nArAyaNa svarUpa matalaba nara meM se nArAyaNa huA puruSa! kauna vaha puruSa! zalAkA puruSa, vAsudeva nArAyaNa! to vAsudeva nArAyaNa kI AbarU le aisA yaha jagat, to dUsare logoM kA kyA hisAba? to dUsare loga to bekAra rauba hI mArate haiM na! Apako samajha meM AtA hai na? hI yahA~ para aaeNge| nahIM to isameM hama eka hI sAdhanA kareM na, to yaha Tebala aise hI uchalatA rhe| para usase to sabhI loga ikaTThe ho jAe~ge, phira kyA javAba deM hama loga?! aura bhIDa kA kyA karanA hai? isameM se bIna-bIna-bInakara motI, sacce hIre nikAla lene haiM ! isa dUsare saba kacare kA kyA karanA hai? nahIM to yaha Tebala to cAroM pairoM para kUdegA, aise hI, kucha bhI yaMtra rakhe binA kUda sake aisA hai, vaha sAinsa hai| usameM Aja ke sAinTisTa nahIM samajheMge ki kyA sAinsa hai yaha!! yaha riyala sAinsa hai| aura una logoM kA to rileTiva sAinsa hai| aba vaha unheM kyA samajha meM AegA becAroM ko? isalie, 'dAdA' camatkAra karate haiM, vaisA loga suneM na to sArA ulTA mAla ghusa jAegA, galata mAla sArA yahA~ para A jAegA! yaha camatkAra dekhane jo buddhizAlI varga hai na, vaha to yahA~ AegA hI nhiiN| sArA kauna-sA varga AegA? sAre camatkAra meM mAnanevAle loga hI Ae~ge! camatkAra ko saccA manuSya dekhanA hI nahIM caahtaa| buddhizAlI varga to camatkAra kI bAta sune na, to vahA~ se bhAga jaae| buddhizAlI ko camatkAra pusAtA hI nhiiN| camatkAra to jAdU hai, mUrkha banAne ke dhaMdhe haiM aise ! draupadI ke cIra kA camatkAra (?) praznakartA : phira bhI kRSNa bhagavAna ne draupadI ke cIra bar3hAe the, Upara rahakara, aisA kahate haiM na? aura eka vastu hai na, ki aisI vastuoM ke kAraNa prajA ke aMdara dhArmika bhAvanA banI rahatI hai na? dAdAzrI : dharma kI bhAvanA banI rahatI hai na, vaha kitane hI varSoM taka banI rahI aura phira bAda meM riekzana aayaa| aisA hotA hogA?! ulTA dharma se para ho gae ye loga! isalie vaijJAnika, saccI rIta hI honI cAhie ki jisake kAraNa bhAvanA bhale hI dera se baiThe. para hamezA ke lie ttike| vaha dikhAvA to nahIM clegaa| nahIM to vaha pola kitane varSoM taka calegI?! phira bhI apane hindustAna meM yaha saba aise hI kiyA huA hai| aise gappa lagAkara hI pola calAI hai| 'aisI pola kisalie mArate ho? Apako kyA cAhie ki yaha pola mArate ho? kisI cIz2a ke bhikhArI ho!' aisA kahanA caahie| aura apane 'yahA~' para to kaisA hai? bilakula pola nahIM hai na! matalaba aisA cokhA ho jAegA to hI hindustAna ke dina badaleMge! camatkAra ko namaskAra kareM, ve... yaha to hameM eka vyakti bar3audA meM kahane lgaa| kahatA hai, 'dAdA, kucha camatkAra karo na ki pUrI duniyA yahA~ para aae|' para maiMne kahA, 'isa duniyA ke manuSya to camatkAra kareM to namaskAra karane Ate haiN| para gAyeMbhaiMseM, bher3a, kutte kahA~ camatkAra ko namaskAra karate haiM? sirpha ye manuSya camatkAra matalaba aMdhazraddhA praznakartA : satpuruSa camatkAra karate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : satpuruSa camatkAra nahIM karate aura camatkAra kareM to ve satpuruSa nahIM haiN| ve phira jAdUgara kahalAte haiN| praznakartA : para mukti sAdhanA meM saphalatA prApta karanevAle camatkAra to sarjita kara sakate haiM na? dAdAzrI : unake camatkAra aise nahIM hote, unameM isa taraha kumakuma nikAlane ke yA aise-vaise camatkAra nahIM hote haiN| usameM to jagat meM dekhA nahIM ho vaisA hameM parivartana lagatA hai| para phira bhI use camatkAra nahIM mAna skte| ye camatkAra to jAduI kahalAte haiM!
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra praznakartA : para dAdA, eka saMta ne Ama kA pattA lekara camatkAra kie the| aise do anubhava maiMne khuda dekhe haiM! dAdAzrI : haaN| para vaha jo pattA ma~gavAyA thA, vaha kisakA pattA ma~gavAyA thA? Ama kA na? aba usake badale, hama kaheM ki, 'bhAI, isa mahue kA pattA hai, vaha legA?' taba vaha kahegA, 'nahIM, yaha nahIM clegaa| mujhe Ama ke patte do!' isalie hama yadi kaheM ki isa mahue ke patte lekara tU vaisA camatkAra kara de, to vaha nahIM ho skegaa| matalaba ye sAre eviDensa haiN| yaha 'sTIla' to aisA hai ki lAkha camatkAra kare to bhI mur3e nahIM! praznakartA : to ye saba nikAlate haiM, rAkha aura kumakuma yA cAvala, vaha jAdUgarI hai yA camatkAra hai? dAdAzrI : jAdUgarI, hAtha kI saphAI! hameM samajha meM nahIM AtA isalie apane mana meM aisA hotA hai ki camatkAra kiyaa| para camatkAra hogA kisa taraha? use saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai, vaha kisa taraha camatkAra karegA?! cAhe jaisA ho, para saMDAsa jAne kI zakti ho to majhe kaha ki merI zakti hai aura nahIM ho to camatkAra kisa taraha karanevAlA hai tU? praznakartA : to phira camatkAra kA jIvana meM kitanA sthAna hai? camatkAra aMdhazraddhA kI ora le jA sakatA hai kyA? kI manuSya meM zakti kaise ho sakatI hai? bhagavAna meM vaha zakti nahIM thii| kRSNa bhagavAna jaise bar3e vyakti camatkAra ke bAre meM kucha bole nahIM aura ye sAmAnya loga, binA kAma ke bolate rahate haiM! yaha bahuta adhika bolane kA kAraNa kyA hai ki ina logoM ne hindustAna para bahuta atyAcAra kiyA hai| yaha nahIM honA caahie| jaba ki mujhe una logoM ke prati cir3ha nahIM hai, kisI vyakti ke prati mujhe cir3ha nahIM hai| manuSya to jo karatA hai, vaha karmAdhIna hai| para Apa use satya manavAte ho? aisA karavAte ho? kyA lAbha uThAnA hai Apako? lAbha uThAne ke lie hI hotA hai na aisA? jise lAbha nahIM uThAnA ho, vaha kahatA hai kucha? aura phira bhI usa silonavAle vaijJAnika ne kahA ki, 'camatkAra sAbita kara do, to use maiM lAkha rupaye kA inAma duuNgaa|' taba kyoM koI lAkha rupaye lene nahIM gayA? taba ye saba kahA~ gae the? kyoMki pUchanevAle hote haiM na ve, lAkha rupaye denevAlA koI aisA-vaisA hogA? aise pUchegA, vaise pUchegA, usakA dimAga ghumA degA, usa ghar3I ve sabhI bhAga jaaeNge| bar3e-bar3e 'jaja' vahA~ baiThe hoM, to ve turanta hI pakar3a leMge ki yaha camatkAra yahA~ nahIM clegaa| ina logoM ne camatkAra ke bAre meM bahuta galata dimAg2a meM phiTa kara diyA hai, para apane loga bhI lAlacI haiM ! isalie hI yaha saba jhaMjhaTa hai na! faoNrena meM bhI camatkAra calate haiN| ve bhI thor3e-thor3e lAlacI haiN| ye to 'merA beTA hai na, usake vahA~ beTA nahIM hai' aisA kahate haiN| are, terA to beTA hai na? yaha silasilA kaba taka calegA? yaha to laukI ke pIche dUsarI laukI ugatI hI rahatI hai| koI eka hI laukI uganevAlI hai? bela car3hI utanI laukiyA~ ugatI rahatI haiN| basa, yaha eka hI lAlaca, 'mere beTe ke ghara beTA nahIM hai|' dAdAzrI : yaha sArI aMdhazraddhA, vahI camatkAra hai| isalie camatkAra karate haiM na, vaha kahanevAlA hI aMdhazraddhAlu haiN| khuda apane Apa ko mUrkha banAtA hai to bhI nahIM samajhatA ! maiM to itanA Apako sikhAtA hai ki hameM camatkAra karanevAle se pUchanA cAhie ki, 'sAhaba, kabhI saMDAsa jAte ho?' taba vaha kahe, 'haaN|' to hama use pUche 'to vaha Apa baMda kara sakate ho? yA phira usakI Apake hAtha meM sattA hai?' taba vaha kahe, 'nhiiN|''to phira saMDAsa jAne kI ApameM zakti nahIM hai, to kisalie ina saba logoM ko mUrkha banAte ho?' kheN| isalie camatkAra kA jIvana meM sthAna nahIM hai! yaha camatkAra karane bAqI. camatkAra jaisI vastu nahIM hai aura tU camatkAra karanevAlA ho to aisA camatkAra kara na ki bhAI, isa deza ko anAja bAhara se nahIM lAnA pdd'e| itanA kara na, to bhI bahuta ho gyaa| vaisA camatkAra kr| ye yoM hI rAkha nikAlatA hai aura kumakuma nikAlatA hai, vaise logoM ko mUrkha banAtA hai| dUsare camatkAra kyoM nahIM karatA? vahI kA vahI kamakuma aura
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra vahI kI vahI rAkha! aura kucha nikAla diyA, phalAnA nikAla diyA, to hama kaheM na ki bhAI, anAja nikAla na, tAki faoNrena se lAnA nahIM pdd'e| praznakartA : ye saba loga jo camatkAra karate haiM, ye camatkAra karake ve kyA siddha karanA cAhate haiM? dAdAzrI : camatkAra karake unakI khuda kI mahattA bar3hAte haiN| mahattA bar3hAkara isa bher3acAla meM calanevAle ke pAsa se khuda kA lAbha uThAte haiM saaraa| pA~ca indriyoM ke viSaya saMbaMdhI sabhI lAbha uThAte haiM aura kaSAya saMbaMdhI bhI lAbha uThAte haiM, sabhI prakAra kA lAbha uThAnA hai| isalie aba hama camatkAra vastu ko hI ur3A denA cAhate haiM ki bhAI, aise camatkAra meM pha~sanA nhiiN| para bher3acAlavAlA pravAha to pha~sanevAlA hI hai, lAlacI hai islie| aura koI bhI vyakti yadi lAlacI ho to use buddhizAlI kaha hI nahIM skte| buddhizAlI ko lAlaca nahIM hotA aura lAlaca ho to buddhi hai nahIM! vaha prakaTa kare dharmabhAvanA aura kitane hI saMta kahate haiM, 'are aisA ho gayA, niraMtara rAkha giratI rahatI hai|' are, mujhe rAkha se kyA kAma hai? mujhe zraddhA baiThe aisA bola kch| aise rAkhavAlI zraddhA kitane dina rahegI? tu aisA kucha bola ki maiM hilaM nahIM tere pAsa se! para bolane kI zakti nahIM rahI, taba rAkha girAnI par3I! camatkAra karake rAkha nikAlatA hai aura phalAnA nikAlatA hai| aba vaha jo karate haiM na, vaha unakI sAdhanA hai eka prakAra kI! aura usase dharma ke rAste mor3ate haiM logoM ko| isalie maiMne kahA thA logoM se ki, 'bhAI, vaha acchA hai| aisA ho to usakI bAta kA khaMDana karake ur3A mata denaa| kyoMki jo loga dharma jaisI vastu hI nahIM samajhate, una logoM ko rAste para lAte haiM, dharma ke lie prerita karate haiM aura phiTa (lAyaka) banA dete haiM, vaha acchA hai!' isalie vahA~ jAnevAle phira majhase milane Ate haiN| mujhe milane Ate haiM taba maiM kahatA hU~, 'vahA~ para jaao|' kyoMki ve Apako isa rAste para car3hA deNge| unameM itanI zakti hai ki ve ApakI zraddhA jIta lete haiN| ve aisA nahIM kahate ki Apa mujha para zraddhA rkho| vaha to abhI camatkAra dikhAkara turanta hI zraddhA baiThA dete haiN| para vaha 'lo sTenDarDa' ke lie hai, 'hAyara sTenDarDa' ke logoM ke lie vaha nahIM hai| 'hAyara sTenDarDavAloM' kI to buddhi kasI huI hotI hai, isalie vahA~ mata jaanaa| buddhi kasI huI nahIM ho, to vahA~ para jaanaa| yAnI haraeka prakAra ke loga hote haiN| 'sTenDarDa' to haraeka prakAra ke hote haiM na? Apako kaisA lagatA hai? praznakartA : ve bhakta dUsare janma meM jJAnI honevAle haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : abhI to kaI janma hoMge, taba taka aise kA aisA hI calatA rhegaa| usake bAda kasI huI buddhivAle vibhAga meM AeMge aura kasI huI buddhivAle vibhAga meM to kaI janma hote haiM, taba ve dhIre-dhIre jJAna ke rAste para Ae~ge! hama amarIkA gae taba eka vyakti mujhe kaha rahA thA ki, 'mujhe AtmajJAna jAnanA hai?' maiMne kahA, 'abhI Apa kyA karate ho?' taba usane kahA, 'ye, saMta kA kahA karatA huuN|' maiMne kahA, 've Apako kyA helpa karate haiM?' taba usane kahA, 'hama A~kha baMda kareM aura ve dikhate haiN|' maiMne use kahA, 'tujhe vahA~ sthiratA rahatI hai to yahA~ mere pAsa Ane kA tujhe kyA matalaba hai? mere yahA~ to, Apako sthiratA nahIM rahatI ho to yahA~ aanaa|' jise kisI bhI jagaha para sthiratA rahatI hai, use binA kAma ke sthiratA chur3avAkara yahA~ Ane dU~ to vaha DAlI bhI tU chor3a de aura yaha DAlI bhI tU chor3a de to terI kyA dazA hogI? apane kahane se vaha DAlI chor3a de aura yaha DAla usase pakar3I nahIM jAe to? bigaDa jAegA na hisAba?! jo eka jagaha meM raMgA huA ho, use maiM yahA~ Ane ke lie manA karatA haiM, para jise kisI bhI vastu se saMtoSa hI nahIM hotA use maiM kaha detA ha~, 'bhAI, AnA yahA~ para!' saMtoSa nahIM hotA ho, use ! kyoMki 'kvaoNnTiTI' ke lie nahIM hai yaha mArga, 'kvaoNliTI' ke lie hai| kvaoNnTiTI matalaba yahA~ lAkhoM loga ikaTThe nahIM karane haiM mujhe| yahA~ kyA karanA hai, lAkhoM ikaTThe karake? baiThane kI jagaha na mile aura ye Apake jaisoM ko, ina sabako
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________________ camatkAra 25 kauna baiThane degA yahA~ ? yahA~ to kvaoNliTI kI z2arUrata hai| kvaoNnTiTI kI z2arUrata nahIM hai| to bhI yahA~ dhIre-dhIre pacAsa haz2Ara loga ho gae haiN| aura kvaoNnTiTI DhUMDhane gae hote to pA~ca lAkha ikaTThe ho jAte ! phira hama loga kyA kareM? kahA~ baiThAe~ sabako? yahA~ koI baiThane kA sthala nahIM hai| yaha to jinake yahA~ jAte haiM, vahI sthl| kisIke ghara para jAte haiM na? kyoMki apane yahA~ to kyA kahate haiM ki, 'jo sukha maiMne pAyA vaha sukha tU prApta kara aura saMsAra meM se chuTakArA prApta kr|' basa, apane yahA~ dUsarA mArga nahIM hai| isalie ekAdha dharma aisA hotA hai ki kucha logoM ko kusaMga mArga se DarAkara mor3a letA hai aura una logoM ko satsaMga meM dhakelatA hai, ve camatkAra acche haiN| jo loga kusaMgiyoM ko dharma meM lAne ke lie bhagavAna ke nAma se DarAte haiM, to hama use eksepTa karate haiM ki unheM thor3A DarAkara bhI dharma meM lAte haiM, usameM harja nahIM hai, vaha acchA hai| unakI nIyata kharAba nahIM hai| kusaMga matalaba gAliyA~ detA ho, tAza khelatA ho, coriyA~ karatA ho, badamAzI karatA ho, use DarAkara satsaMga meM DAle, usameM harja nahIM hai| jaise baccoM ko hama DarAkara ThikAne para nahIM rakhate? para vaha bAlamaMdira kA mArga nikAle to vaha bAta alaga hai| para dUsare jo camatkAra se namaskAra karavAnA cAhate haiM, ve saba yUjalesa bAteM haiN| zobhA nahIM detA vaisA manuSya ko! bAqI, vItarAga sAinsa to aisA kucha karatA nahIM hai| devatAoM ke camatkAra sacce praznakartA: kitanoM ke pAsa bhabhUta AtI hai na? dAdAzrI : una bhabhUtavAle se maiM aisA kaha dU~ ki, 'mujhe bhabhUta nahIM para tU vaha spena kA kesara nikAla / mujhe bahuta nahIM cAhie, eka taulA hI nikAla na / bahuta ho gyaa|' ye to sabhI mUrkha banAte haiN| aba isameM, isa saMbaMdha meM dUsarI eka bAta hai, tAki hama sabhI ko galata nahIM kheN| kyoMki aise devI-devatA haiM ki ve bhabhUta DAlate bhI haiN| unake vahA~ kahA~ se bhabhUta hogI? para ve to yahA~ se uThAkara yahA~ dUsarI 26 camatkAra jagaha para DAlate haiM, aura unake vaikriyika (devatAoM kA atizaya halke paramANuoM se banA huA zarIra jo koI bhI rUpa dhAraNa kara sakatA hai) zarIra hote haiN| hama logoM ko usakA patA hI nahIM cltaa| vaise camatkAra ye devI-devatA bhI karate haiN| isalie isameM kisIne una deva ko sAdhya kie hoM, usase aisA hotA hai| phira bhI vaha camatkAra nahIM hai| vaha kisIkI madada lI hai, basa ! camatkAra to khuda svayaM svataMtra prakAra se karatA ho, vaha hai| aba yaha maiM kahatA hU~, usa taraha to eka hI pratizata karate hoMge, dUsarA saba 'ekz2ejarezana' (atizayokti) hai| ninyAnave pratizata to sAre galata ekz2ejarezana haiM, bilakula ! apane hindustAna meM kucha saMta haiM, ve bhabhUti nikAlate haiN| para vaha devI-devatAoM kA hai, usameM banAvaTa nahIM hotii| para usameM camatkAra jaisA nahIM hai| vaha nahIM hai merA camatkAra eka bAra pAlItANA meM bhagavAna ke maMdira meM trimaMtra z2ora se bulvaae| trimaMtra khuda maiMne bolA thA aura phira cAvala aura vaha saba girA / taba loga kahate haiM, 'are... camatkAra ho gyaa|' maiMne kahA, 'yaha camatkAra nahIM hai| isake pIche karAmAteM haiN|' praznakartA: kisakI karAmAteM haiM? dAdAzrI : devI-devatA thor3A isameM dhyAna rakhate haiN| logoM ke mana dharma se dUra jAte haiM na, taba devI-devatA aisA karake bhI unheM aise mor3ate haiM, zraddhA baiThA dete haiN| aba aisA eka hI bAra hotA hai aura jo sau bAra hotA hai, usameM ninyAnave bAra to ekz2ejarezana hai ina logoM ke| para unakA bhI irAdA galata nahIM hai, isalie hama unheM gunahagAra nahIM maante| usameM kyA kharAba irAdA hai ? logoM ko isa ora mor3e to acchA hI hai na ! aba cAvala gire, usa samaya eka AdamI ke Upara cAvala nahIM gire| isalie vaha mujhe kahatA hai ki, 'Aja subaha ApakA kahA maiMne nahIM
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra mAnA, usakA mujhe yaha phala milA hai|' aba yaha bhI galata thA aura vaha 'camatkAra kiyA' vaha bhI galata thaa| maiMne aisA kiyA hI nahIM thaa| praznakartA : maMdira meM dAdA trimaMtra bole, tabhI cAvala gire aisA kyoM ho, jAdUgarI kahate ho, use cAlAkI kahA aura yaha jo cAvala kI vRSTi huI, vaha to devatAoM kI kRpA hai| huA? dAdAzrI: hA~, to kauna manA karatA hai? vaha to hai hI na! para use hama camatkAra nahIM khte| yaha to devatAoM kI kRpA lagatI hai| para apane logoM ko yaha camatkAra zabda bolane kI Adata hai, vaha hama nikAlanA cAhate haiM! mUrti meM se amRtavarSA praznakartA : aba kitanI jagaha para mUrtiyoM meM prANapratiSThA karate haiM, usa samaya amRtavarSA hotI hai, to vaha kyA vastu hai? dAdAzrI : vaha to nimitta aisA banatA hai na! maiM dekhU na, taba udhara se DAlate haiN| praznakartA : dAdA nimitta to haiM na? dAdAzrI : vaha to hamArI hAz2irI se saba khuza hokara girate haiM kabhI, para usameM maiMne kiyA nahIM hai! praznakartA : vaha to camatkAra kahalAegA yA nahIM? dAdAzrI : nA, vaha camatkAra nahIM khlaaegaa| devatA aisA saba karate haiM, vaha bhI sirpha eka hetu hai usake pIche, ki logoM kI zraddhA baiThAne ke lie| praznakartA : hA~, manuSya kare vaha to camatkAra nahIM kahalAegA, para devatA kareM vaha camatkAra nahIM kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : yadi ve devatA camatkAra kara sakate to phira yahA~ manuSya meM kisalie Ae~ge? unheM to avadhijJAna bhI hai na, unheM jaba jAne kA samaya AtA hai taba mAlA murajhA jAtI hai.... taba upAdhi (bAhara se AnevAlA duHkha) hone lagatI hai ki arere, yaha to telI ke vahA~ merA janma hai! aura Apa camatkAravAle ho, phira yahA~ kisalie janma lete ho? vahIM baiThe raho na! sirpha tIrthaMkara akele hI na honevAlI vastu kara sakate haiM, jo dUsaroM se nahIM hotI, unakA itanA sAmarthya hai| para vaisA kareM to unakA tIrthakara pada calA jAegA, turanta kho deMge! praznakartA : to ye do vastue~ alaga huiiN| jo hAtha kI saphAI kahate dAdAzrI : jinakI pratiSThA karate haiM na, unake zAsanadeva hote haiM, ve zAsanadeva unakA mahAtmya bar3hAne ke lie sabhI rAste karate haiN| jitane mata haiM, utane unake zAsanadeva hote haiN| ve zAsanadeva apane-apane dharma kA rakSaNa karate haiN| praznakartA : yahA~ pAsa meM eka maMdira hai. vahA~ mahotsava cala rahA hai| to do dina pahale vahA~ amRtavarSA huI thI, aura vaha do-tIna ghaMTe taka calI thii| phira Aja kahate haiM, vahA~ kesara ke chIMTe gire haiN| bahata pablika vahA~ ikaTThI huI hai| dAdAzrI : para ghara jAkara phira Apake matabheda to vaise hI rahe na! krodha-mAna-mAyA-lobha vahI ke vahI rhe| isalie amRtavarSA barase yA nahIM barase usase apanA kucha badalA nahIM! praznakartA : para amRtavarSAvAlI jo mUrti hotI hai, unake darzana karane se kucha lAbha to hotA hogA na, dAdA? dAdAzrI: lAbha hotA ho to ghara jAkara matabheda kama hone cAhie na? aisI amRtavarSA kitanI hI bAra huI hai, para matabheda kisIke kama nahIM hue haiN| hameM mukhya kAma kyA hai ki matabheda kama hone cAhie, krodha-mAna
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________________ camatkAra 29 mAyA- lobha kama hone cAhie aura zAMti bar3hanI caahie| itanA kAma hai na? vaha amRtavarSA barase yA na barase, usase hameM kyA kAma hai? phira bhI devatA aisA saba karate haiN| isalie hama unheM galata nahIM kaha skte| para apane krodha - mAna-mAyA - lobha kama nahIM hoM, usakA hameM kyA karanA hai? praznakartA: para dAdA, isameM apane jJAna lie hue mahAtmAoM ko kyA samajhanA cAhie? dAdAzrI : mahAtmA kisalie jhaMjhaTa kareM? vahA~ kesara baha rahA ho to bhI mahAtmA kisalie dekhane jAe~? aise Dhera sArA baha rahA ho to bhI kisalie jAe~ ? samaya bigar3egA bekAra meM aisA samaya bigAr3akara kyA kAma hai phira ? hama zuddha upayoga meM na raheM? jise zuddha upayoga milA hai, vaha zuddha upayoga meM nahIM rahegA? vaha to, jise zraddhA nahIM baiThatI ho, use zraddhA baiThAne ke lie devI-devatA karate haiM yA dUsare loga bhI aisA karate haiM! kitanI bAra devI-devatA bhI nahIM karate, usameM manuSya camatkAra kahakara kArastAnI adhika karatA hai aura parezAnI bar3hAtA hai binA kAma ke! para unakA irAdA galata nahIM hai, usameM loga darzana karane Ate haiM na! para apane ko isakI jarUrata nahIM hai, hameM kyA phAyadA? praznakartA: pAsa meM maMdira hai na, to saba loga kahate haiM ki darzana karane jaao| to hama to 'dAdA bhagavAna' kI sAkSI meM darzana kara ke A ge| dAdAzrI : usameM harja nahIM hai| darzana to hama mUrti ke kara sakate haiM, para Upara se amRta aise jharA yA vaise jharA, usameM hameM kyA lenA-denA? apane krodha-mAna-mAyA lobha kama hue yA nahIM, zAMti huI yA nahIM, vaha dekhane kI z2arUrata hai| isalie kRpAludeva ne kahA na, ki dharma use kahate haiM ki dharma hokara pariNamita ho / aise pariNamita nahIM hotA ho to use dharma kahA hI kaise jAe? anaMta janmoM se Avana jAvana kI, daur3abhAga kI, para the, vaise ke vaise hI rhe| bAqI krodha-mAna- mAyA lobha kama hoM, to bAta samajheM 30 camatkAra ki bhItara matabheda kama hue haiM, zAMti bar3hI, to hama jAneM ki kucha isameM bhalA huA, karma baMdhana ruka jAegA aura ye to nire karma hI baMdhate haiM, isalie aisA amRta Tapake, phira bhI hameM usakA kyA kAma hai? kumakuma ke badale kesara girAo na ! matalaba amRta Tapake yA cAhe jo ho, para hamane 'galata hai' vaisA nahIM kahA hai| vaha to kitanI jagaha para kesara giratA hai| kitanI jagaha para kumakuma giratA hai, cAvala girate haiN| kesara to nahIM giratA para kumakuma to giratA hI hai| kesara jarA maha~gA hai, isalie nahIM giratA / hA~, kesara ke chIMTe hote haiM para kesara aise Dhera sArA nahIM giratA / aura kesara giratA ho to bhI kyA burA hai? thor3A-thor3A lAkara ghara para kucha banAkara khAe~ge ! aura maiM to kaha dU~ ki, 'he devI-devatAoM, Apako namaskAra hai| para ye Apa chIMTe chir3aka rahe ho, usakI mujhe z2arUrata nahIM hai| Apako cAvala DAlane hoM, to DAlo aura nahIM DAlane hoM, to bhI usakA mujhe koI kAma nahIM hai| mujhe to krodha-mAna- mAyA-lobha kama hoM, zAMti ho aisA kara diijie| ' hameM aisA kahane meM harja kyA hai? praznakartA: nahIM, para yaha jise zraddhA nahIM ho, use bhagavAna meM zraddhA baiThe usake lie aisA hotA hogA na ? ! dAdAzrI : yaha to aMdhazraddhAlu logoM ko zraddhA baiThAne ke lie hai| aura usameM to kitanI jagahoM para are.... rAta ko maMdiroM meM ghaMTa bajate haiM, isalie dUsare dina loga saba darzana karane Ate haiM, eka sAtha ! aura maiM to kahU~ ki lAkha bAra tU ghaMTa bajAe to bhI mere kisa kAma kA ? mujhe to bhItara ThaMDaka ho jAe aisA ho, to AU~ tere vahA~ darzana krne| nahIM to mujhe kyA kAma hai usakA ? mujhe to bahuta darda hotA ho, to bhI maiM dhyAna nahIM duuN| aise dhyAna diyA jAtA hogA? hama koI bacce haiM ki z2arA-sA prasAda diyA ki daur3abhAga kareM? Apako samajha meM AtA hai na? bAqI, jagat to sArA aisA hI hai, lAlacI hai aura yadi per3e gireM
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra na, to pUrA muMbaI vahA~ ikaTThA ho jaae| kyoM rupaye nahIM girate? ginniyA~ gireM to kitanA kAma ho jAe! logoM kI daridratA hI miTa jAe na dusare dina se! eka-eka ginnI hisse meM AI ho to dUsare dina loga becAre Ama lAe~ge yA nahIM lAe~ge? para yaha to vahI kI vahI rAkha kisI jagaha para giratI hai, to kisI jagaha para kumakuma ke chIMTe hote haiM! isa vItarAga mArga meM AtmA mile to saccI bAta hai, nahIM to bAta saba bekAra hai| aura AtmA milane kI yadi bhUmikA hai to sirpha yaha manuSyagati hI eka bhUmikA hai| bAqI dUsarI saba jagahoM para AtmA mile vaisI bhUmikA hI nahIM hai| vahA~ to bhaTaka-bhaTakakara mara jAnA hai| yAnI bhItara ThaMDaka honI cAhie, zAMti honI caahie| hameM aisA vizvAsa ho jAe ki aba mokSa hogA merA! Apako vizvAsa ho gayA hai, mokSa hogA, vaisA? praznakartA : eka sau eka pratizata ho gayA hai! dAdAzrI : hA~, vaisA vizvAsa ho jAnA caahie| apanA to yaha mokSamArga hai aura vItarAgoM kA mArga hai, caubIsa tIrthaMkaroM kA mArga hai! ye to dUSamakAla ke loga haiM, isalie karma se becAre phaMse hue haiN| isalie mere sAtha unase rahA nahIM jA sktaa| nahIM to khisakate hI nahIM mere pAsa se| aisI ThaMDaka deM, phira vahA~ se kauna khisake? para karmoM se saba pha~se hue haiM aura nirI apAra 'phAileM' haiM, phira kyA kareM ve! kalaza hilA... vaha camatkAra? praznakartA : kitanI hI jagahoM para loga yAtrA para hara varSa jAte haiM, aba vahA~ para eka maMdira kA jo kalaza hai, saba kahate haiM, use hilatA huA dekhate haiM - vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : usameM bahuta gahare utarane jaisA nahIM hai| jise dikhatA hai na, unake lie ThIka hai| bAqI, Aja kA sAinsa yaha svIkAra nahIM kregaa| Aja kA sAinsa svIkAra karegA kyA? praznakartA : nhiiN| dAdAzrI : ho cukA taba! vijJAna svIkAra kare, utanI bAta saca maannii| dUsarA saba to aMdhazraddhA hai| kitane hI devI-devatA logoM ko zraddhA baiThAne ke lie camatkAra karate haiM, to vaisA hotA hai kisI smy| bAqI, sArA sAinTiphika honA caahie| ye 'sAinsa' jo-jo mAne utanA hI mAnane jaisA hai| sAinsa se bAhara kucha hai hI nhiiN| kitanA to nAsamajhI se aMdhazraddhAlu sArA jabaradastI ghusA dete haiN| jahA~-tahA~ saba logoM ne, ajJAna prajA ko zraddhA baiThAne ke lie sAre sAdhana khaDe kie haiN| ve samajhadAra logoM ke lie nahIM hai| Apake lie vaha nahIM hai| vaha saba to dUsare logoM ke lie hai| vaha kalaza hile, usase hameM kyA phAyadA? usase hameM AtmA prApta ho jAegA? isalie yaha to jise bhagavAna para zraddhA nahIM baiThatI ho, unheM zraddhA baiThe usake lie ve hilAte haiM, to una logoM ko zraddhA vahA~ baiThatI hai| para usase hameM kyA phAyadA? yaha duniyA pUrI hilA de, to bhI maiM kahU~ ki 'tU kisalie siraphor3I karatA hai, bekAra binA kAma ke! baiThA raha na, so jA na cupacApa! isameM hameM kyA phAyadA?' ajJAna haTe to jAneM ki phAyadA huaa| bAqI, yaha alamArI yahA~ se aise khisakI to hameM kyA phAyadA? yAnI hameM itanA kahanA cAhie ki mujhe kyA phAyadA? praznakartA : mujhe aisA lagA thA ki vaha jagaha pavitra ho gaI! dAdAzrI : sArA pavitra hI hai na, jagat to! ye to sAre vikalpa haiN| hameM to apanA kAma huA to sccaa| bAqI yaha sArI pola hai| anaMta janmoM se yahI kiyA hai na! are..., phalAnI jagaha para devatA hile, mUrti hilii| are, usameM tujhe kyA phAyadA huA?! loga to kaheMge, aisA ho gayA aura vaisA ho gyaa| para hameM apanA phAyadA dekhanA caahie| mujhe loga kahate haiM, yaha tipAI kudavAie aise! vaha ho sakatA hai| usakA prayoga hotA hai| para vaha karane se kyA hogA? vaha kUde usase kyA hogA? yahA~ para phira loga samAe~ge nahIM, ye sIr3hiyA~ TUTa jAe~gI, aura Apa
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________________ camatkAra 34 camatkAra jo sacce grAhaka ho, Apako dhakkA dekara bAhara nikAla deMge aura dUsare saba ghusa jAeMge, camatkAra dekhane ghusa jaaeNge| apane ko vaisA kyA kAma hai para? yaha to sacce grAhaka kI jagaha hai| saccA grAhaka ki jise mokSa meM jAnA hai, jise bhagavAna kI pahacAna karanI hai. sAkSAtkAra karanA hai, unake lie yaha jagaha hai| yaha aMtima sTezana hai! yahA~ aisA-vaisA nahIM hotaa| dUsarI sabhI jagahoM para to camatkAra isalie karate haiM ki logoM ko zraddhA baitthe| bAqI, vaha Apa jaiso ke lie nahIM hai! are, kaI loga to kisI soe hue vyakti kA hAtha U~cA kara dete haiM! vaha to so rahA hai to kyoM hAtha U~cA huA? hAtha U~cA huA matalaba kyA jAga gayA? vaha to so rahA hai| ye sabhI mazInarI haiM! isameM apanA kucha kAma nahIM hotA hai| kisIkA darda koI le sakatA hai? praznakartA : eka saMta ne eka AdamI kA darda le liyA thaa| jisase phira pUrA jIvana unhoMne apaMga avasthA meM bitAyA thaa| usameM ApakA kyA mAnanA hai? dAdAzrI : kisIkA darda kisIse liyA nahIM jA sakatA, yaha hamArA mAnanA hai| aura unakI bhUla hotI ho to unheM nukasAna karegI na? vaha koI Apako nukasAna nahIM kregii| yAnI aisA kisIse ho nahIM sktaa| isalie yaha vahama mana meM se nikAla do aisA saba! ___ apane hindustAna ke saMta haiM, ve sAmanevAle ke zarIra meM se roga bhI le lete haiM (!) aisA pustakoM meM khulle Ama likhA huA hai| are, isa hindustAna ke buddhizAliyoM, Apako yaha samajha meM hI nahIM AtA ki use saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai, vaha kyA lenevAlA thA phira?! aura ve to nimitta hote haiN| nimitta matalaba kyA ki karma ke udaya aise haiM isalie inake nimitta se parivartana ho jAtA hai| parantu yaha 'hama roga le lete haiM, aisA le lete haiM, AyuSya bar3hA dete haiM. ye sArI bAteM haiM na, ve dimAg2a meM kIr3e par3eM vaisI bAteM karate haiM! praznakartA : jina saMtoM ke kahane se sAmanevAle ke darda nikala jAte haiM vaisA hotA hai to una saMtoM kA yazanAma karma hogA, aisA na? dAdAzrI : vaha saba ho sakatA hai| sAmanevAle kA darda calA bhI jAe, vaisA saMta kA nimitta hotA hai| yAnI ki yazanAma karma hotA hai| para ye 'darda le lete haiM' ve jo kahate haiM na. vaha galata bAta hai| ve yadi aisA kaheM to hama pUche ki, 'sAhaba, Apako itane sAre roga kisalie haiM?' taba kahegA, 'dUsaroM kA le liyA isalie!' dekho pramANa acchA mila gayA na ! aba una saMta se maiM pUchU ki, 'are sAhaba, Apako saMDAsa jAne kI zakti hai? ho to mujhe khie|' Apa darda kisa taraha se lenevAle ho? bar3e darda lenevAle Ae, saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai aura! are, mere bAre meM bhI loga aisA kahate the na! tIna sAla pahale isa paira meM phrekcara huA thaa| taba ahamadAbAda ke baDe sAhaba Ae the, darzana krne| mujhe kahate haiM ki, 'dAdA, yaha Apa kisakA darda le Ae?' yaha Apa par3he-likhe AdamI yadi aisA bologe to anapar3ha kI to bisAta hI kyA becAre kI! Apa par3he-likhe ho| Apake khuda ke Upara Apako zraddhA hai na aura aisA Apa mAna lete ho? isa duniyA meM kisIkA kiMcit mAtra darda koI thor3A bhI le nahIM sktaa| hA~, use sukha de sakatA hai| usakA jo sukha hai, use vaha helpa karatA hai, para darda nahIM le sktaa| yaha to mujhe merA karma bhugatanA thaa| hara kisIko khuda apane-apane karma bhogane hI par3ate haiN| isalie ye sArI bAteM paidA kI gaI haiN| yaha to logoM ko bevakUpha banAkara dama nikAla diyA hai aura vaha phira apane hindustAna ke par3he-likhe loga bhI mAnate haiM! pratikAra karo na, ki 'lo, yaha aise karake do|' para vaisA pUchane kI bhI zakti nahIM hai na! aisI pola nahIM calane denA caahie| nahIM bar3hatI Ayu palabhara praznakartA : maiMne to itanA taka sunA hai na ki kahate haiM, hamAre jo AcArya haiM, unhoMne phalAne vakIla kA dasa varSa kA AyuSya bar3hA diyaa| dAdAzrI : aba aisA bolate haiM usase to dharma para logoM ko jo
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________________ camatkAra 35 prema AtA hai na, vaha bhI chor3a deMge sb| aura aisA kaheM to hama pUcheM, 'are bhAI, isa vakIla ko hI kyoM diyA? dUsare ko kyoM nahIM dete? usakA kyA kAraNa hai? kaho calo? aura Apa denevAle ho to dasa varSa hI kyoM diyA? cAlIsa varSa de dene the na !' aise saba maiM to sau prazna khar3e kruuN| kyA kaha rahe the? yahA~ para dasa varSa kA AyuSya diyA? praznakartA: aisA maiMne sunA thA / dAdAzrI : sunA huA galata bhI hotA hai kbhii| dUsarA kucha sunA hai aisA? kisI manuSya yA guru kI niMdA nahIM karanI caahie| kyA galata hai aura kyA saca hai, usakI bAta hI karane jaisI nahIM hai! Apane bhI saca mAna liyA thA aisA saba? Apa to par3he-likhe ho, Apako isa bAta para aba zaMkA hotI hai yA nahIM hotI? praznakartA: zaMkA hotI hai| dAdAzrI : zaMkA ho, vaha bAta chor3a denA, mAnanA nahIM use ! likhe hue lekha nahIM miTate kisIse praznakartA: saMta lekha ko miTA sakate haiM kyA? dAdAzrI : yaha faoNrena DipArTamenTa hai na, usameM lekha ko miTAyA jA sake aisA hai hI nahIM aura miTA diyA vaisA dikhatA hai, hameM anubhava meM AtA hai, saMta ke mAdhyama se yA jJAnI puruSa ke mAdhyama se, yaha unake yazanAma karma kA phala AyA hai! isalie lekha ko koI miTA nahIM sktaa| nahIM to kRSNa bhagavAna nahIM miTA dete? unheM miTAnA nahIM AtA thA? ve to khuda vAsudeva nArAyaNa kahalAte haiN| praznakartA: para kitane saMta aisA bhI kahate haiM ki unhoMne mRtyu ko dUra karane kA prayatna kiyA thA ! dAdAzrI : aisA hai na, hindustAna meM saba saMtoM ne mRtyu ko dUra karane ke prayatna kie haiN| para kisIko aisA lagA hai ki mRtyu dUra ho gaI hai, 36 camatkAra aisA? isalie yaha saba ahaMkAra hai| ahaMkAra se bAhara koI saMta nikale nahIM haiN| vaha sArA ahaMkAra hai, aura ahaMkAriyoM ko samajhAne ke lie hai| nirahaMkArI to aisI bAteM suneM bhI nhiiN| pAgala AdamI bolatA ho na, usa jaisI bAta karate haiM ye to! ye to apane sabhI saMta aisA bolate haiM, para ve to ahaMkAra se bolate haiM aura sunanevAle bhI ahaMkAravAle haiM, isalie cala gayA ! yaha to sAinTiphika taraha se samajha meM Ae vaisA hai| vijJAna se samajha meM AegA yA nahIM AegA? yaha to vijJAna hai aura vijJAna kyA kahatA hai ki saMDAsa jAne kI zakti kisIko nahIM hai, saMtoM ko bhI saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai aura hameM bhI saMDAsa jAne kI zakti khuda kI nahIM hai| bhagavAna mahAvIra kA jaba aMtima nirvANakAla A gayA taba devatAoM ne vinatI kI ki, 'vIra, AyuSya bar3hAie jI! do-tIna minaTa kA AyuSya bar3hAe~ to isa duniyA para bhasmaka graha kA asara nahIM pdd'egaa|' para bhasmaka graha kA asara par3A, isalie ye duHkha utthaae| ve duHkha nahIM par3eM isalie devatAoM ne bhagavAna se kahA thaa| taba bhagavAna bole ki, 'vaisA huA nahIM, hogA nahIM aura bhasmaka graha AnevAlA hai aura vaha hone hI vAlA hai|' yaha vijJAna kI bhASA ! aura isa ahaMkAra kI bhASA meM to jise jo acchA lage vaisA bolate haiM na! 'maiMne Apako bacAyA aisA bhI kahate haiN| apane sabhI saMta aisA kA aisA hI bolate haiN| usameM una saMtoM ne eka AnA bhI adhyAtma kA kamAyA nahIM hai| abhI AtmA ke sanmukha gae nahIM haiN| abhI to tIna yogoM meM hI haiN| mana-vacana-kAyA ke yoga meM hI haiM, Atmayoga kI tarapha mur3e hI nhiiN| aba bahuta khullA karU~ to burA dikhegaa| mujhe aisA nahIM kahanA caahie| matalaba, ye loga abhI yoga kI prakriyA meM hI haiM aura vaza karate haiM- mana ko, vANI ko, deha ko| para vaza karanevAlA kauna? ahaMkAra / isalie AyuSya koI bar3hA nahIM sktaa| koI vyakti vaisA zora macAe ki 'mujhe aisI zakti hai|' to hama kaheM ki, 'saMDAsa jAne kI zakti to hai nahIM aura kisalie bekAra zora macAtA hai aise? terI AbarU jA
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________________ camatkAra 38 camatkAra rahI hai!' vijJAna manA karatA hai| yaha merI bAta samajha meM AtI hai kyA? Apako kyA lagatA hai? praznakartA : samajha meM AtA hai| dAdAzrI : kyoMki manuSya jAti ko aisI bAte bahuta pasaMda hai| yaha to maiM bhI aisA bolU~ ki maiM Apako saba aisA kara dUMgA aura ye loga bhI kahate haiM, 'dAdA, Apa hI yaha karate haiN|' are bhAI, merI karane kI zakti nahIM hai| yaha to sArA merA yazanAma karma hai| isalie vaha ApakA kAma kara rahA hai| hamase eka bhI zabda ulTA nahIM bolA jA sakatA aura inheM kyA? ahaMkArI to cAhe jaisA boleN| phira bhI hameM unakA ulTA-sulTA nahIM bolanA hai| kyoMki unake bhaktoM ke lie yaha bAta bahuta bar3A viTAmina hai aura unake bhaktoM ko vahA~ ekAgratA rahatI hai na, citta cipakA huA rahatA hai na?| isalie hama logoM ko dUsarA kucha nahIM bolanA caahie| hama unake bhaktoM ke citta ukhAr3ane ke lie yaha bAta nahIM karate haiN| yaha to Apako samajhAne ke lie hai ki vijJAna kyA hai yaha ! vIra bhagavAna ne AyuSya tIna minaTa bhI nahIM bddh'aayaa| isalie aisA kucha hotA nahIM hai| praznakartA : AyuSya kA manuSya ke zvAsa ke sAtha saMbaMdha hai? dAdAzrI : hA~, saMbaMdha hai, ThIka hai vh| rauba mArate haiN| aisA hai, vaha to duniyA meM sabhI tarapha zvAsocchazvAsa kama kareM, usase AyuSya bar3hatA hai, aisA to niyama hI hai| usameM usase aisA nahIM bolA jA sakatA ki hama AyuSya bar3hAte haiN| vaisA bolanA vaha bar3A gunAha hai| mahAvIra bhagavAna bhI nahIM bola sakate, koI bhI nahIM bola sakatA! yaha saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM aura AyuSya kyA bar3hAnevAle the ve? varlDa meM koI aisA vyakti nahIM janmA hai ki jise saMDAsa jAne kI zakti ho, usakI gAranTI likha detA huuN| aura, kucha bhI 'maiM karatA hU~' aisA pustakoM meM likhate haiM, ve saba ahaMkArI haiN| yaha maiMne kiyA aura maiMne aisA kiyA aura maiMne phalAnA kiyA' kahate haiM na, ve sabhI ahaMkArI haiN| hamArI pustaka meM 'maiM karatA hU~, tU karatA hai aura ve karate haiM vaha hotA hI nahIM hai kisI jagaha pr| dUsare sabhI meM yahI hotA hai na 'maiM karatA ha~', vaha jahA~ para ho, vahA~ para ve pustakeM ahaMkAriyoM ko sauMpa denI caahie| yadi mokSa meM jAnA ho to vaha pustaka apane pAsa nahIM rakhanI caahie| 'maiM aisA karU~ aura maiM vaisA karU~, maiM tAra dUM aura maiM DUbo duuN|' ve saba ahaMkArI bAteM haiN| bAqI kisImeM karane kI zakti hI nahIM hai na! yaha to aisA hai na, bholIbhAlI prajA hai, isalie calA phira! isalie ye saMta to kaheMge, 'maranA hamAre svAdhIna hai, hameM jaba maranA ho taba hama mreNge|' are, eka minaTa kisIkI tAkata nahIM hai aisI! ye to mUrkha logoM ko pha~sA dete haiM! to mujhe aisA hI lagegA na ki kaba taka aise mUrkha rahoge Apa?! bhagavAna mahAvIra kahate haiM, 'he devoM, aisA huA nahIM hai, hogA nahIM aura honevAlA nahIM hai|' aura ye loga to dekho, logoM ko zraddhA baiThe isalie kahate haiM, 'maiMne itanA AyuSya bar3hAyA!' para thoDe dinoM ke bAda yaha baiThI huI zraddhA bhI uTha jAtI hai| bhItara zaMkA-kuzaMkA nahIM hotI, par3he hue manuSya ko? to vaha zraddhA saccI kahalAegI? para TikiTa cipakatI hI nahIM vahA~ guru hAz2ira hoM to hI kAma hotA hai, phira kAma nahIM lgte| phira praznakartA : usameM ye yogI zvAsa ko rokakara, zvAsa kI gati athavA zvAsa kA anupAta kama kareM to unake AyuSya meM pharka par3atA hai? dAdAzrI : vaha ThIka hai| vaha to svAbhAvika hai| vaha to AyuSya bar3hAnA,kahane kA matalaba kyA hai ki zvAsocchzvAsa kharca nahIM hone detA vaha, zvAsocchzvAsa para AyuSya AdhArita hai| para vaha usake lie nahIM kahatA hai, vaha to rauba mAratA hai| usake lie kahatA ho to acchI bAta hai| vaha to haraeka ko hotA hai, isameM nayA kyA hai vaha? jitane zvAsocchzvAsa kama kharca hoMge, utane varSa bar3hate haiN| para ye kyA kahate haiM? AyuSya bar3hAnA matalaba varSa bar3hAnA- vaisA nahIM, para ye to zvAsocchzvAsa bar3hA die, aisA
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________________ camatkAra bhI unake pholoarsa pustaka meM kyA likhate haiM? 'hamAre guru ne aisA kiyA aura vaisA kiyA!' sabhI jhUThe camatkAra likhate haiN| jise choTe bacce bhI aisA kaheM ki ye pAgalapana kiyA hai, aise camatkAra likhate haiM! use isa z2amAne ke bacce to mAneMge hI nahIM na! ve pahale ke jamAne ke loga camatkAra meM mAnate the| praznakartA: para dAdA, hindustAna meM sAre hI loga camatkAra meM mAnate haiM na! phira koI bhI vyakti ho, berisTara, DaoNkTara, enjiniyara sabhI mAnate haiN| dAdAzrI : ve lAlacI haiM, isalie hI mAnate haiN| nahIM to camatkAra jaisI vastu hI isa duniyA meM hotI nahIM hai| aura jo camatkAra hai, vaha gopita vijJAna hai| bAqI, camatkAra jaisI vastu hI nahIM hai| praznakartA: para ye jo camatkAra karate haiM na, use to loga 'ye jJAnI puruSa haiM' aisA kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : ve to aisA hI kaheMge na, para vaisA na kahe to unake camatkAra caleMge nhiiN| unheM pUchA jAe, unakA nivedana liyA jAe ki ye camatkAra kisalie karate ho? kisa hetu ke lie karate ho? Apa nivedana kIjie, kaheM, to majA Ae ! praznakartA: taba ve loga aisA kahate haiM ki, 'zraddhA utpanna karane ke lie|' dAdAzrI : zraddhA yadi usa para hotI hI nahIM ho, to aisA galata karake phira zraddhA utpanna karavAnA gunAha hai| vaha yadi isa taraha zraddhA utpanna karavAne ke lie jo vyakti karatA hai, use pakar3akara daMDa denA caahie| maiM paccIsa varSa kA thA, usa samaya eka saMta AcArya ke pAsa gayA thaa| ve mujhe kahate haiM, 'mujha para zraddhA rkho|' maiMne kahA, 'para mujhe zraddhA AtI hI nhiiN|' taba bole, 'para Apa zraddhA rakhate rho|' taba maiMne kahA, 40 camatkAra 'maiM Apako udAharaNa duuN| yaha TikiTa hai, vaha hama pAnI cupar3akara cipakAe~, para gira jAtI hai| to hama nahIM samajha jAe~ ki kucha kamI hai una donoM ke bIca? ! jisa para hameM TikiTa cipakAnI hai aura vaha TikiTa, una donoM ke bIca meM kauna-sI vastu kI kamI hai aisA apane ko patA calatA hai yA nahIM calatA? kisa vastu kI kamI hai? praznakartA: goMda kI kamI hai| dAdAzrI : haaN| isalie maiMne kahA, 'aisA koI goMda lagAo ki merI TikiTa cipaka jaae|' to bhI ve bole, 'vaisA nahIM, Apako mujha para zraddhA rakhanI pdd'egii|' maiMne kahA, 'nahIM, vaisI zraddhA maiM nahIM rakhatA huuN| zraddha baiThatI hI nahIM mujhe ! yadi Apa vaise lubhAvane hote to lubhAvane ke AdhAra para maiM thor3I zraddhA rkhtaa| vaise lubhAvane bhI nahIM haiN| yadi Apa vaisI vANI bolate to ApakI vANI sunakara maiM khuza ho jAtA, to merI zraddhA baiThatI / yA phira ApakA vartana dekhakara merI zraddhA baitthtii| para vaisA kucha dikhatA nahIM hai mujhe ApameM / phira bhI maiM darzana karane AU~gA aise hI, Apa tyAgI puruSa haiM islie| bAqI, zraddhA to merI baiThatI hI nahIM ! ' aba vahA~ camatkArI bAta karane jAe~ to maiM to adhika DA~ ki aisI jAdUgarI kisalie karate ho? para hindustAna ke loga lAlacI haiM isalie camatkAra dekha Ae~, vahA~ zraddhA baiThA dete haiN| usa camatkAra karanevAle ko hama loga kaheM, 'hindustAna ke logoM ko anAja - pAnI kI kamI hai, Apa anAja- pAnI ikaTThA kro| vaha camatkAra karo, ApakI jo zakti hai, vaha isameM kharca kro|' para vaisA kucha nahIM karate! yaha to mUrkha banAyA hai logoM ko ! praznakartA: abhI taka vaise mUrkha banate hI Ae haiN| dAdAzrI : para aisA jIvana kaba taka jInA hai? kisalie lAlaca honA cAhie? manuSya ko lAlaca kisalie honA cAhie? aura vaha bhalA denevAlA kauna? use saMDAsa jAne kI zakti hI nahIM, to vaha kyA denevAlA hai ?
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra dhokhA khAyA vicArakoM ne bhI.... aura maiMne camatkAra kiyA vaisA kauna bolatA hai? ki jise kucha lAbha uThAnA hai, vaha bolatA hai| aura kisake pAsa se lAbha uThAnA hai? jo loga usake pAsa se kucha mA~gate haiM, vahA~ lAbha uThAte ho? jo loga khuda ke du:kha dUra karane ke lie sukha mAMgane Ae haiM, unase lAbha uThAte ho?! jo sukha ke bhikhArI haiM, unake pAsa se Apa sukha lete ho? kisa taraha ke ho Apa? unake pAsa se eka pAI bhI kaise lI jAe? yaha to vaha Apake pAsa bhikhArI haiM aura Apa usake pAsa bhikhArI ho! ApakA bhI bhikhArIpana chUTatA nahIM hai! phira kisa taraha jJAna bhItara prakaTa ho? jJAna prakaTa hI nahIM hogA na! jJAna to, kisIkA kiMcit mAtra sukha chIna lene kI jise icchA nahIM hai, vahA~ jJAna prakaTa hotA hai| kisI bhI prakAra kI bhIkha nahIM, mAna-tAna kI bhIkha nahIM, apamAna kare to bhI harja nahIM, mAna kare to bhI harja nahIM, viSayoM saMbaMdhI bhIkha nahIM, vahA~ jJAna prakaTa hotA hai| taba ye loga kahate haiM, 'hama jJAna lekara phirate haiN|' para cAroM tarapha se to bhIkha meM hai tU, kisa taraha jJAna ho sakatA hai vahA~ para?! aura vaha to isa bher3acAla meM clegaa| yahA~ para buddhizAliyoM ke pAsa nahIM cAhie! para apane yahA~ buddhizAlI kaise haiM? kacce haiM, Apake jaise nahIM haiN| 'hogA, hameM kyA?' aisA kahate haiM isalie camatkAra karanevAle logoM ko to buddhizAliyoM kA rakSaNa mila gyaa| para buddhizAlI unake rakSaNa tor3a deM to abhI sIdhe ho jaaeNge| para apane hindustAna ke loga, 'hameM kyA?' aisA hI karate haiM! mujhe to 'hameM kyA' vaha nahIM pusaataa| sApha-sApha kaha do| bhale hI do janma adhika hoM! para ve apane buddhizAlI bhI camatkAra meM mAnane laga gae haiN| arere, kyoM loga aise ho gae! sAre vicArazIla manuSyoM meM itanA ghusa gayA hai ki yaha camatkAra jaisI koI vastu hai| yaha jo bher3acAla use mAne, usakA hameM harja nahIM hai, para vicArazIla manuSya bhI mAneM to samajho ki apane hindustAna kI jo buddhizakti hai, vaha 'phrekcara' hone lagI hai| praznakartA : yAnI logoM kI bhASA meM vaha camatkAra kahalAtA hai? dAdAzrI : isa bheDacAla meM, badizAliyoM kI bhASA meM nhiiN| aura buddhizAlI mere pAsa Ate the, ve kahate the ki, 'yaha camatkAra!' taba maiMne kahA, 'Apake jaise buddhizAlI aisA mAnate haiM?' taba ve bole, 'hameM to bahuta aisA hotA hai, para hameM dimAg2a para bAra-bAra Takore lagane se phira usI rUpa ho jAtA hai|' phira maiMne sabhI prakAra se samajhAyA, taba unheM eksepTa ho gayA, samajha meM A gyaa| phira kahane lage, 'aba nahIM maaneNge|' aura samajha gae ki camatkAra nahIM hote| manuSya camatkAra kara hI nahIM sktaa| camatkAra cIz2a buddhizAliyoM ko nahIM mAnanI cAhie aura apane jJAna lie hue mahAtmAoM ko to jAnanA hI nahIM caahie| koI camatkArI hoM taba kaho ki, 'tU camatkArI hai to mujhe kyA hai, usase?' isalie isameM buddhizAlI to ulajhate nahIM haiN| dUsare saba to samajho ki ulajhanevAle hI haiN| ve to cAra bher3a Age caleM na, unheM dekhe na, unake paira dekhakara hI calanevAle haiN| mu~ha nahIM dekheNge| unake paira hI kisa tarapha mur3ate haiM, usa tarapha calate jAte haiN| lAina bhI nahIM banAnI par3atI! saba baiTha jAe~, taba vaha bhI baiTha jAtA hai| saba hare kaheM, taba vaha bhI hare kahatA hai| koI pUche, 'kyA samajheM?' taba vaha kahatA hai, 'samajha meM AegA, kisI dina!' camatkAra buddhijanya, nahIM hai jJAna meM praznakartA : para ve loga to duniyA meM yahI kahate haiM ki yaha mirekala huaa| jo ghaTanA hamezA nahIM hotI vaha ghaTanA ho, use mirekala kahate haiM, camatkAra kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : ve faoNrenavAle kahate haiM, hama logoM se aisA kahA jAtA hogA? praznakartA : yaha to Apake pAsa Ae~, ve samajhate haiN| bAqI to
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________________ camatkAra 44 camatkAra haz2Ara meM se nau sau ninyAnave logoM kI bhASA vahI hai na? dAdAzrI : haaN| vahI bhASA hai| isalie kahatA hU~ na, apane logoM ko to jhUThA hai yA saccA usase matalaba nahIM hai| camatkAra dikhAe, taba sIdhA rahatA hai, nahIM to sIdhA nahIM rhtaa| para maiM to camatkAra dikhAe to samaoN ki banAvaTa kI, ina logoM ne| camatkAra kisa taraha ho sakatA hai manuSya se? vaha kisa taraha se posibala (saMbhava) hai? vijJAna kabUla kare to hI camatkAra posibala hai! camatkAra, vaha buddhigamya vastu nahIM hai, aura jJAnagamya meM camatkAra hotA nahIM hai| buddhigamya meM jo camatkAra hote haiM, ve to kama buddhivAle ko adhika buddhivAlA pha~sAtA hai| isalie camatkAra jaisI vastu nahIM hotI hai! praznakartA : yAnI dAdA, yaha koI buddhi se pare vastu hai, jo bhale hI camatkAra nahIM hai, para buddhi se pare koI vastu hai? dAdAzrI : nA, vaha bhI nhiiN| ye camatkAra karate haiM, vaha vastu buddhi se pare bhI nahIM hai| buddhi se pare eka hI vastu hai, vaha jJAna hai| vaha to sva-para prakAzaka jJAna hai aura jJAna meM camatkAra nahIM hotaa| aura yadi camatkAra kaho, to vaha buddhi meM aaegaa| para buddhi meM bhI use camatkAra nahIM kahA jA sktaa| yaha to khudAI camatkAra!!! isalie jJAna meM camatkAra nahIM hote haiN| aisA hai, maiM to jJAnI puruSa hU~ para bhItara khuda khudA prakaTa ho gae haiN| ve khudAI camatkAra dikhAe~ge yA nahIM dikhAeMge, thor3A-bahuta? khudAI camatkAra matalaba kyA ki sAmanevAle ko gAlI denI ho to bhI usase nahIM dI jA ske| yahA~ gale taka zabda Ae para bolA nahIM jaae| aisA hotA hai yA nahIM hotA? eka AdamI yahA~ AyA thA, vaha ghara se paMpa mAra mArakara AyA thA, ki Aja to dAdA ko jAkara boluuN| vaha mujhe gAliyA~ dene AyA thaa| para yahA~ baiThA na, to yahA~ gale se zabda hI nahIM bolA gyaa| vaha kaisA camatkAra kahalAegA? khudAI camatkAra! aise kitane hI khudAI camatkAra 'jJAnI puruSa' ke pAsa hote haiM, jinheM camatkAra nahIM karanA hai, vahA~ camatkAra bahuta hote haiN| phira bhI hama use camatkAra nahIM khte| praznakartA : phira bhI jo anubhava camatkArI rUpa se svapna meM hote haiM, use kyA kaheMge? merI bhayaMkara bImArI meM dAdA ne svapna meM Akara hAra pahanAkara vidhi karavAI, aura dUsare hI dina subaha camatkArika rUpa se merA sArA hI darda-bImArI calI gaI aura normala ho gyaa| vaha anubhava satya hotA hai? dAdAzrI : yaha camatkAra nahIM hai, vAstavikatA hai| maiM rUbarU milA hoU~, usake jaisA yaha sUkSma svarUpa se milA hai| yaha vAstavikatA hai, isameM camatkAra koI nahIM hai| praznakartA : para dAdA, aisA hotA hai isalie sabhI ko camatkAra to lagegA yA nahIM? dAdAzrI: aisA to hajAroM jagaha hotA hai| aura ise maiM camatkAra kahU~ to loga mujhe sAdhubAbA banA deM ki Apa camatkArI bAbA ho| maiM bAbA nahIM huuN| kitanoM ko dAdA svapna meM Ate haiM, bAtacIta karate haiN| aba yaha to kucha merA kahA huA nahIM hai| disa iz2a baTa necrl| jaisI jisakI cittavRttiyA~ hotI haiM na, koI bhagavAna ko DhaMDha rahI hotI hai, to use vaise sAre darzana hote haiM! musalamAnoM ko bhI 'dAdA' khvAba meM Ate haiM, usakI mujhe khabara bhI nahIM hotii| praznakartA : dAdA aisA nahIM kahate ki maiM camatkAra karatA hU~, para aise camatkAra hote haiM na? dAdAzrI : ve hote haiM n| jagat to ise camatkAra kahatA hai| para hama loga yadi camatkAra kaheMge to jagat adhika pAgalapana kregaa| vaha camatkAra bhASA hI ur3A do! isake lie maiMne yaha zodha kI ki saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM, ve camatkAra kyA karanevAle haiM? aisA kaheM isalie
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________________ camatkAra 46 camatkAra yaha camatkAra kA aisA bhUta logoM meM paiTha gayA ho, to ve loga isameM se bAhara nikaleM bAhara! praznakartA : inheM jo anubhava huA vaha kyA hai? dAdAzrI : maiMne kahA thA na ki ApakI taiyArI cAhie?! yahA~ sabhI taiyAriyA~ rakhI huI haiN| jitanI ApakI hArTa kI pyoriTI, jitanA Apa baTana dabAo, utanA taiyAra ! yAnI Apake baTana dabAne kI dera hai| bAqI, jagat to ise camatkAra hI khegaa| hama yahI to kahanA cAhate haiM ki ise yadi camatkAra ThaharAe~ge to jagat ko to aisA cAhie hI hai| apane mAdhyama se. apane hastAkSara mA~gate haiM ki camatkAra hotA hai yA nahIM vaha ! jagat apane hastAkSara mA~gatA hai ki camatkAra sahI bAta hai yA galata? camatkAra galata bAta hai| praznakartA : parantu aisA hotA hai, daadaa| dAdAzrI : aisA saba bahuta jagaha para hotA hai| isalie unheM samajhA detA hU~ ki 'hA~, AyA thaa|' kyoMki sUkSma zarIra ghUmatA rahatA hai, vaha maiM dekha sakatA huuN| amarIkA meM bhI jAtA hai| maiM amarIkA meM thA taba yahA~ para ahamadAbAda ke saMghapati ramezabhAI, unheM bar3e savere Akara vidhi karavA gayA thA, unakA vahA~ para patra AyA thA ki 'Apa yahA~ Akara vidhi karavA gae, merA to kalyANa ho gayA!' aise to kitane logoM ke apane yahA~ patra Ate haiN| aisA to bAra-bAra huA karatA hai| para hama loga yadi camatkAra kaheM to isase ulTA artha adhika phailegaa| to ve kamajora loga isakA adhika lAbha utthaaeNge| isalie hama loga hI camatkAra ko ur3A deM na yahA~ se hI! jise badale meM kucha cAhie vaha bolatA hai, kabUla karatA hai ki hA~ bhAI, camatkAra hai merA (!) hameM badale meM kucha cAhie nhiiN| isalie ise ur3A do| yaha camatkAra nahIM hai| do sau-do sau camatkAra hote haiN| pahale ke saMtoM ne dasa camatkAra kie hoMge, usakA ve loga bahuta bar3I pustaka racakara bar3A dikhAvA karate haiN| vaise to yahA~ hararoja do sau-do sau camatkAra hote haiM nire! koI kahatA hai, 'ghara para mere bhAI ko bukhAra bahuta rahatA hai, Aja paMdraha-bIsa dinoM se utaratA nahIM hai|' merI eka mAlA use detA hU~ na, taba dUsare dina patra AtA hai ki bukhAra bilakula calA gayA hai| mAlA pahanate hI calA gayA hai| aise bahuta sAre 'kesa' hote haiN| yaha to hamArA yazanAma karma hai| aura ve saMta bhI jo camatkAra karate haiM na, vaha bhI yazanAma karma hotA hai| pahale to apane yahA~ phUloM ke hAra pahanAte the| taba pA~ca-paccIsa hAra hote the, vaha koI vyakti yahA~ se lekara jAte aura phira aspatAla meM jAkara vahA~ marIjoM ko pahanAte the aura unheM kahate, 'dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra ho' bolo| to subaha DaoNkTara kahate ki 'ina marIjoM meM itanA pharka kisa taraha AyA?' praznakartA : phira bhI vaha camatkAra jaisA nahIM hai, aisA Apa kahate dAdAzrI : hA~, camatkAra kiyA vaisA hama nahIM kahate aura yaha jo sunA na, usase to kaI bar3e ho cuke haiM, jagat ApharIna ho jAe vaise hue haiM, para unheM yadi camatkAra kahoge to dUsaroM ke camatkAra calate rheNge| isalie maiM ina camatkAroM ko tor3ane ke lie AyA hai| asala meM, haqIqata meM, vAstavikatA meM vaha camatkAra hai hI nhiiN| yaha hamArA phoTo bhI bahuta kAma karatA hai| isalie logoM ko hama Akhira meM phoTo dete haiN| kyoMki itanA yadi kAma nahIM kare to ye 'bartana' camakAe jA sakeM vaise nahIM haiN| bartana itane adhika gaMde ho gae haiM ki camakAe jA sakeM vaisA nahIM hai| isalie yaha kudarata usake pIche kAma kara rahI hai| saba ho rahA hai, camatkAra nahIM hai yaha ! aise-aise to roz2a kitane hI patra Ate haiM ki 'dAdA, usa dina Apane kahA thA ki jA, tujhe yaha to hamArA yazanAma karma aba vaha camatkAra kahalAtA ho to vaise apane yahA~ roz2a sau-sau,
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra naukarI mila jAegI, to mujhe naukarI mila gaI!' yaha saba kudarata karatI to merA kucha hala lA dIjie n|' to maiM vidhi karU~ usake bAda ve chUTa jAte haiN| isalie kyA vaha maiMne kiyA? nhiiN| maiM nimitta thA ismeN| ye yazanAma karma thA merA! to mujhe bahuta sAre loga kahane Ate haiM ki 'dAdA, Apane hI yaha saba kiyA hai| yaha camatkAra Apane hI kie haiN|' taba maiM kahatA hU~. 'bhAI. maiM to camatkArI nahIM huuN| maiM koI jAdUgara nahIM hU~ aura aisA kucha maiM kara sakU~ vaisA nahIM huuN|' taba kahate haiM, 'yaha kiyA kisane?' yaha to aisA hai na, dAdA khuda kA yazanAma karma lekara Ae haiM, yAnI dAdA kA yazagAna hotA hai aura vaha yazanAma karma ApakA bhalA karatA hai| ApakA nimitta hotA hai usameM, isameM merA kyA? maiM kartA nahIM hU~ na isameM? isalie maiM kahA~ aisA mAla khA jAU~? ye loga to binA kAma ke yaza dene ke lie Ate haiM aura ve yaza khAnevAle sabhI yaza khAte rahate haiN| loga to yaza ke bhUkhe hote haiM, ve khAyA karate haiN| ye saMtapuruSa bhI khA jAte haiM, para vaha unheM pacatA nahIM hai becAroM ko, ulTe adhika bhaTakate haiM! hara kisI ke jo yazanAma karma hote haiM na, isalie unheM yaza milatA hai| jo thor3A bhI saMta huA ho, unheM thor3A yazanAma karma hotA hai, aura hamArA yazanAma karma bar3A! mujhe to saMsArI dazA meM bhI yaza milatA thaa| yoM hI hAtha lagAU~ na to bhI usake pAsa rupayoM kA Dhera ho jAtA thaa| para sirpha mere ghara para hI rupayA nahIM AtA thA! aura mujhe bhI usa rupaye kI z2arUrata bhI nahIM thii| jarUrata thI taba Ae nhiiN| aba z2arUrata nahIM hai, taba Ane ko taiyAra haiN| taba maiMne kahA, 'jAo, hIrAbA ke vahA~, hameM aba kyA z2arUrata hai?' isalie yaha maiMne nahIM kiyA hai| yaha to hamArA yazanAma karma jo hai, to yaha nAmakarma hI Apako sArA phala detA hai| aura use loga camatkAra mAneM, vaisA sikhAyA gayA ! camatkAra to ho hI nahIM skte| maiM eka tarapha aisA bhI kahatA hU~ ki varlDa meM kisIko saMDAsa jAne kI zakti nahIM hai, to camatkAra kisa taraha karegA? eka AdamI ne karor3a rupayoM kA mere sAtha saudA kiyaa| kahatA hai, 'merI karor3a rupaye kI jAyadAda sArI pha~sa gaI hai aura mere pAsa Aja menTenansa (gujArA) karane ke bhI paise nahIM haiN|' isalie sabane kahA, isakI kucha vidhi kara dIjie na, becAre kI kucha jAyadAda bike| use jAyadAda tIna-tIna varSoM se becanI thI, vaha bika nahIM rahI thii| to vidhi kara dI, phira eka mahIne ke aMdara sattara lAkha meM bika gii| maiMne kahA, 'usa phekTarI meM satyanArAyaNa kI kathA karavAo aura dUsarI phekTarI meM jainoM kI pUjA krvaao|' vaha phira mujhe kahatA hai, 'dAdAjI, tIsa lAkha kI bAqI hai, kucha karo na!' meM samajha gayA ki isa AdamI ke sAtha saudA bhUla se ho gayA hai| yaha AdamI bhagavAna kA upakAra mAne to bahuta ho gyaa| mujhe tere pAsa se kucha lenA nahIM hai| tU bhagavAna kA upakAra mAne ki oho, bhagavAna ke pratApa se maiM chUTa gayA, utanA kare to bhI acchaa| aura yadi maiM kartA hoU~ to dalAlI nahIM rakhaMgA? aisA nahIM kahatA ki itane pratizata rakha jAnA, yadi saphala ho jAe to? isalie hamane baMda kara diyA vaha vyApAra / kAma karanA aura nahIM karanA donoM baMda kara diyA na! praznakartA : AtmA kI bAta to jArI hI hai na! dAdAzrI : vaha AtmA kI bAta to, isameM kucha le nahIM skte| isakA badalA hI nahIM hotA aura isakA badalA dene kA rahatA ho to yaha bAta phalegI hI nhiiN| praznakartA : isa jJAna meM to lene kI bAta hI nahIM hai| dene kI hI bAta hai na isameM to? dAdAzrI : haaN| bs| kyoMki vaha to badale meM Apa kyA doge? pudgala doge? dUsarA kyA doge? aura isakI kImata yadi pudgala ho to kaI loga phira Akara kahate haiM, 'dAdAjI, maiM aise pha~sa gayA huuN|
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________________ camatkAra 10 camatkAra phira AtmA hI nahIM hai vh| amUlya cIz2a kI velyu nahIM hotI! mujhe hI cUraNa lenA par3atA hai vahA~..... yahA~ eka bhAI Ate haiN| unake phAdara aThahattara varSa ke the| ve hamAre gA~va ke the| maiM vahA~ para unheM darzana dene jAtA thA, unake ghara pr| unhoMne phAdara se kahA ki, 'Aja dAdA darzana dene AnevAle haiN|' aThahattara varSa ke manuSya ko kisa taraha yahA~ lAyA jAe? para unhoMne kyA kiyA? ghara meM se bAhara nikalakara aura roDa para baiTha ge| phira maiM vahA~ gayA taba maiMne pachA ki, 'aise isa roDa para baiTho, acchA dikhatA hai yaha saba? kyA phAyadA hai isameM? vaha kho|' taba unhoMne kahA, yahA~ nIce do minaTa pahale darzana hoMge na! ghara meM to Apa Ao usake bAda darzana hoMge na! para maiMne kahA, nIce dhUla....? taba bole, 'bhale hI dhala hai, anaMta janma dhUla meM hI gae haiM na hamAre! aba isa eka janma meM Apa mile haiM to hala le Ane dIjie na!' taba maiMne kahA, 'ThIka hai phira!' maiM hNsaa| to ve pairoM se lipaTa gae, darzana karane ke lie| maiMne Upara se aisA kiyA, dhanya hai, aisA kahane ke lie pITha thpthpaaii| to bAraha varSa se unakI kamara meM jabaradasta darda thA, vaha dUsare hI dina 'sTopa'! isalie phira unhoMne kyA kiyA? pUre gA~va meM kaha Ae ki, 'dAdA bhagavAna ne, jo merA bAraha varSa se darda nahIM miTa rahA thA, itane-itane ilAja karavAe, para eka thapakI mArate hI du:kha khatama ho gyaa|' taba gA~va ke logoM meM dasa-bIsa loga the na, jo du:kha se parezAna ho gae the, ve sabhI mere yahA~ padhAre! mujhe kahate haiM, 'Apane inheM kucha aisA kiyA to hameM bhI kucha kara diijie|' phira maiMne una sabako samajhAyA ki mujhe saMDAsa nahIM utaratA, taba cUraNa lenA par3atA hai| kabhI kabja ho gayA ho to mujhe caraNa lenA par3atA hai to Apa samajha jAo na! mujhase kucha ho sake aisA nahIM hai, yaha saba! vaha to 'havA calI aura khaparaila khisakA aura use dekhakara kuttA bhauMkA, koI kahe maiMne dekhA cora, aura vahA~ maca gayA zora cAroM ora!' usakA nAma sNsaar| yaha sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai, yaha camatkAra nahIM hai| vaha mujhe turanta patA cala gyaa| isalie maiMne kaha diyA ki cUraNa khAtA hU~ taba mujhe saMDAsa hotA hai| mujhe haA ki aba kucha DhUMDha nikAlo, nahIM to ye to roz2a balA khar3I hogii| vyApAra kauna-sA thA aura kaunasA vyApAra khar3A ho jAegA! praznakartA : isa bAta meM phira AtmA vismRta ho jAtA hai na? dAdAzrI : hA~, AtmA bhUla jAte haiM aura ye dUsare loga to apane sabako to ghusane hI nahIM deMge na ! sAre ve loga hI Akara baiTha jAeMge aura ye milamAlika mujhe yahA~ se uThAkara le jaaeN| ye paisevAle loga jhaMjhaTa kareM, cAhe so kreN| mere AsapAsa ke logoM ko cAhe jaisA bhI karake yahA~ se uThA leM mujhe| eka vyakti mujhe kaha rahA thA, 'dAdA, ApakA haraNa karake le jaaeNge|' maiMne kahA, 'hA~, jagat hai yaha to!' hama jAdUgara nahIM haiM isalie abhI apane yahA~ aise roz2a ke kitane hI camatkAra hote haiN| para sabhI se maiM kahatA hU~ ki dAdA camatkAra nahIM karate haiN| dAdA jAdUgara nahIM haiN| yaha to hamArA yazanAma karma hai| itanA sArA yaza hai ki hAtha lagAe~ aura ApakA kAma ho jAtA hai| apane vahA~ eka jJAna lie hue mahAtmA hai| unakI sAsa TATA kensara hospiTala meM thiiN| to unakI sAsa ko hospiTalavAloM ne chuTTI de dI ki aba do-tIna dina meM yaha kesa phela honevAlA hai, isalie do-tIna dinoM meM Apa ghara para le jaao| taba usa vyakti ke mana meM aisA huA ki, 'dAdA yahA~ para muMbaI meM hI haiM, to merI sAsa ko darzana karavA duuN| phira yahA~ se le jaauuNgaa|' isalie mujhe Akara vahA~ para kahane lage ki, 'merI sAsa hai na, unheM yadi darzana de sakeM to bahuta acchI bAta hai|' maiMne kahA, 'calo, maiM AtA huuN|' maiM vahA~ TATA hospiTala meM gyaa| usane kahA, 'dAdA bhagavAna Ae haiN|' taba vaha strI to baiTha gii| aura kisIke mana meM AzA bhI nahIM thI, ve cAra varSa taka jIvita rahIM vaapis| una DaoNkTaroM ne bhI noTa kiyA ki ye dAdA bhagavAna koI Ae aura na jAne yaha kyA kiyA!
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________________ camatkAra 52 camatkAra para maiMne kucha bhI nahIM kiyA thaa| sirpha paira para vidhi karavAI thI! aisA bar3audA ke bar3e hospiTalavAloM ne bhI noMdha kI hai ki 'dAdA bhagavAna' se itane kesoM meM parivartana ho gae haiN| phira tIna logoM ne to hameM aisI khabara dI thI ki plena hilA ki hama 'dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra ho' bolane lge| aMdara logoM meM hAhAkAra maca gayA thaa| para hama 'dAdA bhagavAna ke asIma jaya jayakAra ho' bole ki plena regyulara ho gayA! yahA~ saMsAra mukta, yukta nahIM aise hamAre kitane sAre camatkAra hote haiM, phira bhI hama use camatkAra nahIM kahate haiN| loga mujhe Akara kahate haiM, 'dAdA, yaha Apane camatkAra kiyaa| mujhe aisA lAbha ho gyaa|' maiMne kahA, 'yaha camatkAra nahIM hai|' bAqI apane yahA~ to aise apAra camatkAra hote haiN| koI thor3e-bahuta hote haiM? para vaha kyA hai? yaha to merA yazanAma karma hai| isalie merA hAtha lagA ki ApakA kalyANa ho jAtA hai aura Apa mujhe yaza dete rahate ho ki yaha sArA dAdA ne kiyaa| para usameM merA kyA hai? yaha to yazanAma karma ne kiyA hai! kisane kiyA? praznakartA : phira bhI dAdA ne kiyA kahalAegA na? dAdAzrI : nA, dAdA ne nahIM, yazanAma karma jo hai na. vaha karma hotA hai| karma alaga aura hama loga alg| vaha karma hameM phala detA hai| to yaha yazanAma karma bahuta bar3A hotA hai, isalie hameM harakoI yaza hI detA rahatA hai| milatA rahatA hai| yAnI apayaza bAMdhA huA hai usane, aura maiM nahIM karatA ha~ to bhI yaha yaza milatA hai, usakA kyA kAraNa hai? yazanAma karma ke kAraNa hai| maiM kaIyoM se kahatA hU~ ki, yaha jJAna hone se pahale sAMsArika bAtoM meM yaza milatA rahatA thaa| maiM kahatA ki, 'bhAI, isameM maiM nahIM par3A hU~, maiMne kucha kiyA nahIM hai, maiM jAnatA taka nahIM aura ye dUsare kisIne kiyA hogA, isalie yaha yaza dUsare ko de aao|' kyoMki maiM jAnatA hU~ ki ApakA yaza ho, vaha mujhe de jAe, to Apako rukhA rakhate haiM na? kiyA ho Apane aura yaza mujhe de jAte haiN| Apake mana meM kaisI AzA hotI hai? ki yaha vyakti mujhe yaza bhI nahIM detaa| isalie maiM kyA kahatA hU~ use ki, 'yaha dUsare kisI ne kiyA hai, isalie vahA~ jAkara de aao|' to bhI kahegA, 'nA, nA, Apake binA to hogA hI nhiiN| Apa to jaba ho taba aisA hI bolate haiM na!' isalie vApisa Akara mujhe hI dekara jAte haiN| kucha bhI karake, vaha poTalI DAlakara calA jAtA hai, aba usakA kyA ho? aba maiM kyA karU~? isakA to upAya DhUMDhanA par3egA na? phira maiM samajha gayA ki yaha yazanAma karma hai| praznakartA : phira usa poTalI kA Apa kyA karate ho? dAdAzrI : kucha nhiiN| hama aise vidhi karake use vApisa pheMka dete haiN| kyoMki vaha hama rakhate nahIM haiM aura hamane kiyA ho to bhI hama nahIM rakhate haiM na! kyoMki hama kartA hI nahIM haiM, nimitta haiM sirph| kyA haiM? nimitt| ye hAtha lagA isalie koI, 'maiM' hAtha bhI nahIM hU~ aura paira bhI nahIM hU~, ye tere karma kA udaya AyA hai aura merA hAtha lgaa| terA darda hAtha miTane kA thA aura merA hAtha lgaa| kyoMki yaza mujhe itanA hI milanA thA ki dAdA ne miTAyA yh| vaha saba yaza milatA hai! taba mujhe kahate haiM ki, 'Apa karate haiM vaha?' maiMne kahA ki, 'yaha sArA yazanAma karma hI hai|' vaha maiMne batAyA abhii| jo abhI taka loga batAte nahIM the 'yaha merA yazanAma karma hai', loga vaisA nahIM kahate haiN| usa ghar3I logoM ko bahuta maz2A AtA hai, aMdara jarA TesTa A jAtA hai| itanA Apako vizvAsa hai ki jaina zAstrakAroM ne nAmakarma meM yazanAma karma aura apayaza nAmakarma likhA hai? kitane loga aise hote haiM ki kAma kareM to bhI apayaza milatA hai, aisA Apake sunane meM AyA hai? vaha kisa kAraNa se? apayaza nAmakarma hotA hai, use apayaza kA phala milatA rahatA hai| to vaha acchA kAma kare to bhI apayaza kA phala
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________________ camatkAra 54 camatkAra yAnI dina-dahAr3e ye bAtacIta karate haiN| aba maiM jAnatA hU~ ki maiM vahA~ para gayA nahIM thaa| para 'dAdA bhagavAna' vahA~ jAte haiM, vaha bAta pakkI praznakartA : aura 'jJAnI puruSa' jAnate nahIM haiM, vaha bhI pakkA hai? dAdAzrI : maiM jAnatA nahIM haiM, vaha bhI pakkA hai aura 've' ghUmate haiM vaha bhI pakkA hai, vaha bhI maiM jAnatA huuN| aura vahA~ amarIkAvAle kahate haiM na, 'Aja mujhe tIna bAra vidhi karavAkara ge|' aisA kahate bhI haiM aura mujhe phira unakA phona bhI AtA hai ki Aja rAta ko 'dAdA bhagavAna' Akara tIna bAra use vidhi karavA gae! isalie yaha to bar3A Azcarya hai! phira bhI usameM nAma mAtra bhI camatkAra nahIM hai| 'Apane merA darda miTA diyA' sunate haiM, usa ghar3I unheM TesTa A jAtA hai, yAnI ve TesTa chor3ate nahIM haiN| taba yaha TesTa nahIM chor3eM to vaha mokSa raha jAtA hai! yahA~ rAste meM hI mukAma kiyA, isalie vaha dhyeya raha jAegA na!! yaha to merA hAtha lagA ki usakA kAma ho hI jAtA hai| isalie vaha aisA samajhatA hai ki dAdA ne kiyA yh| dAdA ko aisI koI pharasata nahIM hai, aisA saba karane ke lie| dAdA to, ve khuda jo sukha cakha rahe haiM, vaha sukha Apako dene Ae haiM aura saMsAra se mukti dilAne Ae haiN| khuda mukta hokara baiThe haiN| saMpUrNa prakAra se mukta hokara baiThe hue haiM, ve dete haiM, dUsarA kucha dete-karate nahIM haiM! yaha rahasya rahA anabUjhA aura apane vahA~ to aisA bhI hotA hai na ki Apake jaise par3he-likhe loga, hara prakAra se vicArazIla, ve bhI Akara mujhe kahate haiM, 'kala dopahara ko sAr3he tIna baje Apa mere yahA~ Ae the| aura phira sAr3he cAra baje taka mere yahA~ baiThe rhe| jo bAtacIta kI thI vaha saba maiMne noTa kara lI hai| phira Apa cale ge| vaha bAta saca hai?' maiMne kahA, 'saca hai!' to phira mujhe hA~ kahanA par3atA hai aura maiM to gayA hI nahIM thA, din-dhaadd'e| phira maiMne pUchA, 'kyA bolA thA, vaha mujhe kh|' vaha phira kahatA hai, 'yaha bole the|' vaha mere hI zabda dikhAtA hai| praznakartA : para vaha sUkSma zarIra kI bAta hai na, kahA~ isa sthUla zarIra kI bAta hai? dAdAzrI : nahIM, use yaha sthUla zarIra dikhatA hai| yaha to mere bhI mAnane meM nahIM aataa| ve bAteM aisI-aisI AtI hai, mere nAma se koI devatA ghUmate haiM yA kyA ghUmatA hai, vaha patA hI nahIM cltaa| kyoMki devatAoM kA vaikriya svabhAva, jaisA deha dhAraNa karanA ho vaisA hotA hai| dAdA ke jaisA deha dhAraNa kareM, bAtacIta aisI kareM, sabakucha karate haiN| phira bhI usameM maiMne kucha bhI nahIM kiyA hotA hai| praznakartA : para hameM Azcarya to hogA hI na? dAdAzrI : vaha Azcarya lagatA hai, para isameM maiM use camatkAra kI taraha svIkAra nahIM karatA huuN| yAnI kucha hai isake pIche, samajha meM nahIM Ae vaisA rahasya hai| buddhigamya rahasya nahIM hai, para samajha meM nahIM Ae vaisA rahasya hai yh| para ise maiM camatkAra nahIM kahane duuNgaa| camatkAra kaheM to maiM jAdUgara mAnA jaauuNgaa| aura maiM kyA koI jAdUgara hU~? maiM to 'jJAnI puruSa' huuN| aura saMDAsa jAne kI zakti bhI mujhameM nahIM hai| ve 'dAdA bhagavAna' kucha rahasya hai, vaha bAta pakkI hai| eka bahana khuda posTa oNphisa calAtI thiiN| vaha subaha meM posTa oNphisa meM gaIM taba do luTere aMdara chupe hue the| bahana aMdara gaI isalie unako aura unakI beTI, bIsa sAla kI una donoM ko bA~dha diyA aura kahA, 'aba cAbI de|' taba vaha bahana kyA kaha rahI thIM? praznakartA : usane saba de diyA aura phira ekadama baiTha gii|
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________________ camatkAra 56 camatkAra "aba to kyA honevAlA hai yaha mujhe mAlUma nahIM hai| aba 'dAdA bhagavAna' jo kareM, vaha saccA", aisA karake baiTha gii| dUsarI tarapha bIsa sAla kI javAna beTI bhI kahatI hai, 'majhe kisI taraha kA bhaya nahIM, kucha bhI nahIM aura dAdA mere sAmane hAz2ira ho ge| mujhe dAdA kA sAkSAtkAra huaa|' dAdAzrI : yahA~ Akara mujhe kahatI haiM, 'pUrI duniyA meM kisIko sAkSAtkAra hone kA hogA, taba hogA para mujhe to vahA~ sAkSAtkAra ho gyaa|' khuda rUbarU dekhe aura vaha batAne ke lie yahA~ para AI thii| usane kyA kahA thA? praznakartA : phira unhoMne kahA, 'dAdA kI do A~khoM meM se lAiTa merI A~khoM meM aaii| dAdA kI A~kha meM sirpha tez2a hI thA! vaisA kitanA TAima gayA vaha mujhe mAlUma nahIM para pUrA jagat vismRt| phira bhI maiM kahA~ hU~, kyA hU~, vaha saba mujhe mAlUma thaa| maiM behoza nahIM thI aura thor3I dera bAda phira luTere Akara kahate haiM, ye cAbI nahIM laga rahI hai| dUsarI cAbI lAo, nikaalo|' taba usa bahana ne A~kha kholii| to kahatI haiM. 'jo lAiTa dAdA kI A~khoM meM se merI A~khoM meM A rahI thI, vahI lAiTa maiMne usakI A~khoM meM jAte hue dekhii| ve loga ghabarA ge| una logoM ne nakAba bA~dhe the, sirpha do A~kheM hI dikha rahI thIM' aura mujhe kahA, 'patA nahIM, ekadama unameM cenja ho gyaa| usa bahana ne kahA, 'dekha bhAI, yaha to TAima laoNka (tAlA) hai| mere pAsa dUsarA kucha hai nhiiN| maiM to kucha jAnatI nahIM huuN| jo kucha hai vaha yahI hai|' 'maiM jo kucha kahatI gaI, vaha sArA eksepTa karate ge| usa samaya posTa oNphisa meM dasa lAkha pAunDa par3e the| dasa lAkha pAunDa kI rakama thI kula milAkara, posTa meM to saba loga rakhate haiM na! aura ATha-dasa haz2Ara pAunDa to DraoNara kholate na to bAhara hI par3e the|' para usa bahana ne kahA, 'maiMne kahA ki kucha bhI nahIM hai|' isalie dUsare DraoNvara meM sirpha savA sau pAunDa the, ve lekara cale ge| ve samAcAra ATha-dasa dina taka laMDana ke akhabAroM meM heDalAinsa meM Ae the|' dAdAzrI : to sabhI peparavAle yaha chApate rahe! ___ 'dAdA bhagavAna' to raheM nirlepa ye jo 'dAdA bhagavAna' kA nAma lete haiM na, unake haraeka kArya saphala hue haiN| inameM yaza kA maiM bhAgIdAra haiN| yaha merA yazanAma karma hai| aisA yazanAma karma kisIkA hI hotA hai| bAqI saMsArI yazanAma karma hote haiM, to yaha phalAnA vivAha karanA thA, vaha ho gyaa| yAnI vaha eka prakAra kA yazanAma karma hai| aisA mujhe isa bAbata kA yazanAma karma hai| isalie 'dAdA bhagavAna''mujhe' yaha merA yazanAma karma pUrA karavA rahe haiN| to eka, do nahIM isase bhI bar3I-bar3I bAte lAe haiM log| bahuta udAharaNa dekhe haiN| use ye loga kyA kahate haiM, 'Apa camatkAra karate haiM?' maiMne kahA, 'nahIM, manuSya camatkAra kara hI nahIM sktaa| manuSya ko buddhi se aisA lagatA hai ki ye camatkAra kara rahe haiN| para yadi zAstra samajhatA ho to 'yazanAma', vaha eka nAmakarma hai| isalie yaha 'dAdA bhagavAna' kA kAma hai aura yazaphala mujhe milatA rahatA hai| 'unheM' yaza nahIM cAhie aura yazanAma karma to 'merA' hai na ! praznakartA : 'dAdA bhagavAna' ko to kaisA yaza? ve to nirlepa haiM na?! dAdAzrI : 'unheM hotA hI nhiiN| 'unheM' ve AThoM karma hote hI nahIM haiN| ATha karma sAre mere haiN| jJAnAvaraNa, darzanAvaraNa, mohanIya, aMtarAya, nAma, gautra, vedanIya, AyuSya ve AThoM karma 'mere' haiN| praznakartA : 'mere' matalaba kisake? dAdAzrI : ina 'jJAnI puruSa' ke hI na! akrama vijJAna vaha siddhi kA phala praznakartA : bahuta bAra mujhe aisA hotA hai ki 'dAdA' yaha jJAna dete haiM taba eka hI ghaMTe meM khuda ke sva-pada meM rakha dete haiM, use kyA kaheMge?
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________________ camatkAra camatkAra dAdAzrI : vaha camatkAra nahIM hai| praznakartA : to vaha vacanabala kahalAegA? dAdAzrI : nahIM, vaha siddhi hai| use camatkAra nahIM mAna skte| camatkAra to vaha ki koI dUsarA nahIM kara sake aura yaha to mere jaisA koI akrama vijJAnI ho to kara skegaa| jitanA siddhatva prApta kiyA hai, utanA kara skegaa| yaha yahA~ para jo hotA hai na, aise camatkAra hI nahIM hote na, eka manuSya ko mokSa denA, vaha koI aisI-vaisI bAta hai! are, eka manuSya ko ciMtA rahita banA denA vaha bhI koI aisI-vaisI bAta hai! ina saba jagahoM para to ghar3Ibhara ke lie satsaMga karake gayA ho, aura phira bAhara jAe to ciMtA hI ciNtaa| thA vaisA kA vaisA hii| aura yahA~ to hamezA ke lie ciMtAmukta hI ho jAtA hai na! phira bhI vaha camatkAra nahIM hai, 'sAinsa' hai! hamAre bhatIje ke beTe kyA kahate the ki dAdA ko dekhate hI AtmA ko ThaMDaka ho jAtI hai| dAdA Apako dekhate hI, mere AtmA ko ThaMDaka hue binA koI kSaNa nahIM jaataa| to yaha sirpha eka motI dekhakara A~kha ko ThaMDaka ho jAtI hai, isalie to motI kI kImata A~kI hai, to 'dAdA Apako dekhate hI mere AtmA ko ThaMDaka hotI hai' aisI jise samajha ho na, to vaha aura kahIM camatkAra DhUMDhane jAegA? isalie ye bhAI kahate haiM ki ye 'dAdA' bar3e-bar3e camatkAra karate haiN| vaha yadi dekhanA Ae to bahuta bar3A camatkAra hai| varlDa meM nahIM huA ho vaise 'dAdA' ke camatkAra haiM, para dekhanA AnA caahie| insiDenTa enDa eksiDenTa praznakartA : sAdhAraNa manuSya ko bhI kaI bAra jIvana meM camatkArika anubhava hote haiM, vaha kyA hogA? dAdAzrI : jagat meM loga jise camatkAra kahate haiM yA phira isa duniyA meM camatkAra matalaba 'acAnaka ho gayA' kaheMge, yAnI eksiDenTa kahate haiM yA phira camatkAra kahate haiN| para 'ena insiDenTa hez2a so menI kaoNz2ez2a enDa ena eksiDenTa heja TU menI kaoNz2eja!' (eka insiDenTa kaI kAraNoM se hotA hai aura eka eksiDenTa hone meM bahuta sAre kAraNa hote haiM) isalie acAnaka to kucha hotA hI nahIM na! ho gayA vaha sArA pahale kA riharsala ho cukA hai| pahale riharsala ho gayA hai, vahI yaha cIz2a hai| jaise nATaka meM riharsala pahale karake aura phira nATaka karane bhejate haiN| usI taraha isa pUre jagat kA, jIva mAtra kA riharsala pahale ho gayA hai aura usake bAda phira yaha hotA hai| isalie maiM kahatA hU~ ki Dara rakhane jaisA nahIM hai| kyoMki jo honA hai, usameM parivartana nahIM ho sktaa| nATaka seTa ho cukA hai yaha! praznakartA : to usa nATaka kA DAyarekTara kauna? dAdAzrI : yaha oTomeTikalI hI ho jAtA hai| yaha sUrya eka hI dikhatA hai, para sUrya to badalatA hI rahatA hai (sUrya ke biMba meM rahanevAle devatA badalate rahate haiN)| unakA AyuSya pUrA huA ki cyavana (AtmA kI daivIya zarIra chor3ane kI kriyA) ho jAtA hai (biMba chor3a dete haiM) aura dUsare bhItara A jAte haiN| yAnI ki ve bhItara se badala jAte haiM aura yaha biMba vahI kA vahI rahatA hai| aisA regyulara rUpa se prabaMdhita hai yaha jgt| bilakula regyulara prabaMdhita huA hai| kisIko kucha karanA par3e vaisA nahIM hai| yadi bhagavAna kartA hue hote to ve baMdhana meM A jaate| isa duniyA meM do cIjeM nahIM haiM, ve do cIjeM bher3acAla ke lie haiN| jise loga kahate haiM na ki aiksiDenTa haA to vaisI vastu hI nahIM hai, vaha bher3acAla ke lie hai| vicAravaMta ke lie eksiDenTa hotA hI nahIM na! aura eka camatkAra, vaha bhI bher3acAlavAle loga mAnate haiM, vicAravaMta nahIM maante| ___ 'ena insiDenTa hez2a so menI kaoNz2ez2a, ena eksiDenTa hez2a TU menI kaoNjeja!' usI prakAra isa camatkAra meM bhI so menI kaoNjejavAlA hai|
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________________ camatkAra 60 camatkAra aura phira camatkAravAlA kahatA hai ki, 'isa samaya nahIM hogaa|' 'kyoM tU TAima kI rAha dekha rahA hai? isalie camatkAra nahIM hai|' para aisA pUchanA AtA nahIM hai na logoM ko! maiM to usakA khalAsA pachu, kyoMki mujhe vaisA pUchanA AtA hai| para hama kahA~ usake pIche par3eM? usakA aMta Ae, aisA nahIM hai| anaMta janmoM se inhIM tUfAnoM meM par3e hue haiN| bhagavAna ke samaya meM coryAsI lAkha vidyAe~ thIM, to bhagavAna sArI vidyAoM kA nAza kara gae haiN| phira bhI thor3A-bahuta lIkeja raha gayA hai| yaha to aisA hai na, saccA vijJAna sArA kho gayA hai, vaha kudarata apane Apa nikAlegI! hama loga to bhAva kareM na ki ye camatkAra kI vidyAe~ saba jAo yahA~ se| - jaya saccidAnaMda kyoMki kaoNz2ez2a ke binA koI kArya nahIM hotA hai, to camatkAra kaoNjeja ke binA huA kisa taraha? vaha batA? usakA bejamenTa cAhie! yAnI yaha camatkAra hai, vaha yadi aisA hI ho to usakA kaoNja kyA hai? vaha kho| kaoNz2a ke binA cIz2a hotI nahIM aura jo ho rahA hai, camatkAra ho rahA hai, vaha to pariNAma hai| to usakA kaoNz2a batA, tU?! yAnI yaha to binA mA~-bApa kA beTA mAnA jAegA! isalie sAre buddhizAlI loga samajha jAe~ge ki binA mA~-bApa ke beTA hotA nahIM hai, jaba ki isane binA mA~-bApa kA beTA khar3A kiyA hai! praznakartA : vaha to jisakA kaoNz2a jAnate nahIM haiM, use camatkAra kahate haiN| dAdAzrI : hA~, use camatkAra kahate haiM, basa! para vApisa ye loga dimAga meM DAlate haiM aura ye dUsare saba loga becAre lAlacI haiM, ve pha~sa jAte haiM! saMjoga jahA~, camatkAra kahA~? isalie camatkAra kise kahA jAegA? to Apako sAinTiphika prakAra se prUpha denA ho kisI vyakti ko to kisI bhI cIja kI, kisI bhI saMyoga kI z2arUrata nahIM par3e, use camatkAra kahA jAtA hai aura isa jagat meM saMyoga ke binA kucha bhI kAma hotA nahIM hai| kyoMki sArA DiscArja saMyogoM kA milana hai yAnI ki sAinTiphika sarakamasTenziyala eviDensa hai| koI kahe ki 26 aura 0 do to maiM Apako pAnI banAkara duuN| to vaha to pAnI hone kA usakA svabhAva hI hai| to usameM tu kisa cIz2a kA mekara? maiM tujhe eka H aura eka 0, aura ta pAnI banA de, taba maiM tujhe mekara khuuN| taba vaha kahe, 'vaha nahIM bana sakatA!' taba maiMne kahA, 'tU kyA karanevAlA thA?! yoM hI binA kAma kA!' isalie saMyogoM kA milana hai yaha! 'aba ve saMyoga nahIM hoM aura t kare usameM mujhe dikhA', kheN| yAnI camatkAra vaha kahalAtA hai ki saMyogoM kA milana nahIM honA caahie|
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