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[14] Release from Bondage of Inner Enemies
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Questioner: They are decreasing.
Dadashri: Yes. So all that filled karmic stock is beginning to go away; it will move away after twelve months. Once the stock decreases, You become the Atma (the Self).
Questioner: These anger, pride, deceit and greed are karmic discharge and so they are bound to arise, but then after 'seeing' them, how can I remain separate?
Dadashri: What does one have to do if the awareness (jagruti) decreases, when it becomes dim? You have to repeatedly try to remain in My Agnas only. But when you slip into the non-Self and do not stay in the Agnas, then it is the same old thing!
How much effort do you make in order to stay in the Agnas?
Questioner: A lot.
Dadashri: Are You, too, able to 'see' anger and pride? Questioner: I see them after they have occurred.
Dadashri: There is no problem with that. You will 'see' them after they have occurred. They can be 'seen' while they are occurring as well as after they have happened.
Questioner: And sometimes it happens that they are 'seen' as the mistake is occurring, and yet this (non-Self) continues doing it.
Dadashri: No, You cannot stop them (kashays). It is wrong to stop them, because You have to 'see' the current film till it ends. The 'Seer' (Self) has no objection to whether one is fighting, or being non-violent, or being violent. The problem is if he interferes, starts crying, fights and says, 'Stop fighting! Stop
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fighting!' Hey, it is just a recorded film, and hence the 'Seer' has no problem with it.
Questioner: But when that is happening within, I 'know' it and I also scold him and tell him that what he is doing is not right. But even then, he will not listen and he will continue doing it.
Dadashri: There is no problem with it because the 'Seer' is pure (shuddha). He ('Chandulal') sees it as good or bad, but that is the relative view. There is no such thing as good-bad for the 'Seer'. They are both the same to the 'Seer'. Good and bad are for the worldly people and not so for the God (the Self). Society has the good and the bad. What the Lord says is that You are free once You 'see' them. The Self is separate and this is separate.
So settle the karmic debt (hisaab) that was bound in ignorance (agnan) and lack of understanding (adarshan) by 'seeing' (joyeeney). Then You are free and separate from it. The accounts bound without 'seeing' are settled by 'seeing"!
When this 'tank' (karmic stock called the non-Self complex) empties, and when it is just about to empty, your body will feel as light as a flower. You will feel free, here in this very life.
Now, why will the tank empty? This is because, as it is emptying (karmas are being discharged), nothing new is being filled in. What will remain in an emptying tank when nothing more is being put in it?
Questioner: Nothing will remain. Dadashri: It will empty quicker.
