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UNDERSTANDING SAMAYIK
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Pratikraman
'Chandubhai.' If you were to sit 'Chandubhai in front of You, can You or can You not see' him exactly?
the nature of the non-Self complex (pudgal)? It is naïve. So You can catch him with this technique. Jiva and Shiva are both separate, are they not? When he comes into jiva bhaav, he will eat potato fritters and everything, and when he comes into shiva bhaav, he will do darshan.
Questioner: My talks with him go on for hours. (548)
Dadashri: But there are others within him who also accept the phone call (conversation)'; that is why You have to make him sit in front of You and talk to him, loudly and directly. That way some one else will not take the phone.
Questioner: How should I make him sit across from me?
Questioner: But is the mind of a jiva (that which lives and dies), independent?
Dadashri: Absolutely independent. Have you or have you not seen the mind confront and oppose you? Hey, you! How can it confront or oppose you if it were your mind? You will realize whether it is independent or not when it confronts you.
Questioner: Because I do not have control over my speech and that is why I have no control over the mind.
Dadashri: You do not have control over anything that confronts or opposes you. Before, you believed that I am jiva (I am living). Now that belief has been destroyed and You have the realization of 'I am Shiva' (I am eternal), but the jiva part will not let go of his bhaav, he will not let go of his claim or his rights. But he will let go if you coax him gently. Just as when bad company (kusang) touches him, he becomes a kusangi (tainted by bad habits of the company); when satsang touches him, he becomes a satsangi; and when you explain things to him, he will listen and leave the bad habits; he is good in that way.
Now what you have to do is to sit down with 'Chandubhai and talk to him, 'You have been coming to satsang every day even at the age of sixty-seven years, you are doing a good job of making sure of that. But, at the same time, you have to make him understand and give him advice, 'Why are you taking so much care of this body? If this occurs to the body, let it occur. Why don't you come and sit here at the table with me.' There lies infinite bliss with me. That is what you should tell
Dadashri: 'Chandubhai' will become very wise if You seat him across from You and keep scolding him. You should scold him personally. Say to him, "Chandubhai, should you be doing this? What nonsense is this? Why don't you become straightforward?' What is wrong in speaking to him this way? Does it look good if someone else has to correct you? That is why 'we' tell you to scold 'Chandubhai,' otherwise he will continue walking in complete darkness. What the pudgal is saying now is, 'You have become a Shuddhatma, but what about me?' He will put in a claim; he has a right too. He too has a desire that he wants something. He is naïve so you can coax him. Naïve, because in the company of fools, he becomes a fool and in the company of wise, he becomes wise. In a company of thieves, he becomes a thief. Jevo sang evo rang! One becomes like the company that he keeps.
You have to seat him in front of the mirror, and then start this process. You can see his whole face in the mirror. Then You tell 'Chandubhai', 'Why did you do that? You are not to do that. Why do you have separation due to difference in opinion (matbhed) with your wife? Is this why you got married to her? Why are you doing this after getting married?' You have to tell him such things. When you scold him like this, in front of the mirror for one hour, then tremendous energy will manifest. This is considered the highest of all samayik. *You know of all
